Re: Digital camera... or not

[Kevin Stevens]

> I have a 8600/G3 with all PCIslots filled, and no USB available, and a
> Powerbook G3 Kanga (not cardbus compliant), and about all recent digital
> cameras talk USB...

Does the G3 have FireWire available?  There are FireWire readers for most
common media types, slightly more expensive than USB ones.

> The only option I can come up with is the use of a PCMCIA adaptor for
> CompactFlash cards (or other memory cards) but I have some questions
> with this :

That's a viable option, though those cards are generally more expensive.

> * Is this possible in the 16bit PCMCIA slots of the Kanga ??

I believe I've seen 16bit card readers.

> * Do I need special software to read the cards, or do they just show up
> on the desktop like a CD ??

I think you'd need drivers.  For USB this isn't an issue, as the card
readers use the USB Mass Storage spec which is supported on almost every
USB implementation, but there isn't an equivalent standard for PCMCIA.

> * Can I write to the CFcards (backup, I've read of booting from them,
> what about formatting them) ??

They're just media, like a solidstate floppy.  You can do anything your
system supports.

> * What's the maximum size of CFcard the Kanga can handle (I've read
> about type I and II)??

That's a physical/electrical spec, not a capacity one, BTW.

> * Difference between CF and the others (Smartmedia,...) which seem to
> require more expensive adaptors, any preferences ??

The readers are about the same price; indeed there are many
multiple-format readers out that handle the common formats.  It's usually
determined by what your camera of choice uses.

> * Are there any other things to consider going this route ?? Or other
> possibilities (SCSI) ??

I would go FireWire if possible as a more generic solution (if you have FW
ports available).

> I would like some real world experience and hands-on knowledge. Does
> anybody use this route with digital cameras ??

You haven't really defined your route.  If you're asking if people use
external readers instead of transferring directly from the camera; yes,
many people do this for a variety of reasons:  camera battery life, camera
protection against drops, faster transfer speeds, workflow integration,
etc.

KeS



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Re: Initial BigAl Book impressions

[Kevin Stevens]

On Friday, Mar 28, 2003, at 19:41 US/Pacific, Steve Fuller wrote:

> your hand. I will not be carrying this around without a bag, or at
> least a sleeve of some sort. I am going to a friend's house tomorrow to
> try out a new bag he bought for his laptop. If that doesn't work out, I
> have seen some good reviews of the Brenthaven case from Apple. The case

I am very very pleased with the Waterfield RacerX case.  Check it out at
http://www.sfbags.com/


> So far I haven't found many things that I can complain about. The mouse
> button doesn't sit quite level from one side to the other. It's not
> that it's loose, but one side sits even with the main part of the case,
> where the other side sits up a bit higher. I wish that the case had a

I'll trade you my nice level even trackpad button for a screen without 
the huge disgusting distracting horrible stuck pixel in the middle of 
the screen that ruins the whole screen no matter what I'm doing.

KeS


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Re: 17" PowerBook vs Pismo 500 Xbench

[Kevin Stevens]

On Saturday, Mar 22, 2003, at 00:55 US/Pacific, Tom Burke wrote:

>
> On Thursday, March 20, 2003, at 04:21 AM, Kevin Stevens wrote:
>
>> Exec Summary:  Overall performance almost exactly 2x, memory 
>> operations
>> close to 4x, OpenGL not much different.
>>
>> KeS
>>
>> Pismo:
>>
>
> Did you read the 867 Mhz 12" PB review in April MacWorld? They compared
> it with the 867 15", 1Gb 15", and 800 Mh iBook. The PB ran a little bit
> slower than than the 867 15", and that difference would be accounted
> for by the different cacheing arrangements. But what was most
> interesting was how much faster, on suitable tasks (Photoshop tasks,
> iMovie rendering, MP3 encoding) all the g4 were than the G3 iBook - 3
> time quicker in the case of the Photoshop tasks. That's where the
> benefit of the G4 lies, not in day-to-day browsing/ emailing/ wp, etc.
>
> Tom Burke

Yes, I posted a followup where I said that I hadn't done any real work 
with the computer yet.  I bought it for doing digital processing in 
Photoshop, another reason that the defective pixels are a royal PITA.  
There were Altivec numbers listed in the Xbench detail.

KeS


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Re: Interesting . . .

[Kevin Stevens]

On Friday, Mar 21, 2003, at 22:09 US/Pacific, Dan K wrote:

> Here's an interesting tidbit I stumbled across on the ol' web-a-roni. 
> . .
> about new huge-screen 'Book and fawlty sub pixls:
>
> Replace?
>  Bright - five or more
>  Dark - seven or more
>  Combination - nine or more

Thanks, I'm at three bright and counting - there was only one the first 
day.  One is bright blue and exactly square in the middle of the screen 
- makes DVDs virtually unwatchable.

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Re: 17" PowerBook vs Pismo 500 Xbench

[Kevin Stevens]

On Thursday, Mar 20, 2003, at 00:25 US/Pacific, Tom Burke wrote:
> I'm wondering how surprised I am about this. Much of the difference
> seems to be accounted for by the simple difference in CPU speed, which
> is indeed 2x. You would expect memory to be faster on the 17", and the
> disk looks to be about 50% quicker. But that isn't a great deal of
> difference, all things considering I wonder how a G4-equipped Pismo
> (or Lombard) would compare against, say, a 667 or 887 15" TiBook; it
> would still only be 500Mhz, but you'd get the Altivec improvements.
> There again, you're still hobbled by the old ATI Rage (Pro? 128?)
> graphics card, so in that aspect of performance any TiBook (or AiBook)
> ought to shine.
>
> Of course, these aren't real-world tasks. What's  your subjective
> feeling about comparative performance in actual work?

That the faster disk and extra 512MB are making more of an impact than 
CPU performance.  Of course, I haven't done much real work with it yet.

KeS


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17" PowerBook vs Pismo 500 Xbench

[Kevin Stevens]

Exec Summary:  Overall performance almost exactly 2x, memory operations 
close to 4x, OpenGL not much different.

KeS

Pismo:

Results 46.22   
System Info 
Xbench Version  1.0b5
System Version  10.2.3
Physical RAM512 MB
Processor   PowerPC 750 [500 MHz]
L1 Cache32K (instruction), 32K (data)
L2 Cache1024K
Bus Frequency   100 MHz
CPU Test53.94   
GCD Recursion   45.96   1.79 Mops/sec
Floating Point Basic46.62   157.14 Mflop/sec
Floating Point Library  80.56   3.62 Mops/sec
Thread Test 38.93   
Computation 31.89   256.95 Kops/sec, 4 threads
Lock Contention 49.95   627.01 Klocks/sec, 4 threads
Memory Test 31.62   
System  28.63   
Allocate90.32   47.51 Kalloc/sec
Fill35.59   204.07 MB/sec
Copy15.24   76.19 MB/sec
Stream  35.32   
Copy35.51   155.29 MB/sec
Scale   35.61   155.36 MB/sec
Add 34.47   156.86 MB/sec
Triad   35.70   156.86 MB/sec
Quartz Graphics Test54.82   
Line48.42   1.23 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle   56.48   3.97 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle  59.48   1.37 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier  57.19   621.43 beziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text53.88   878.30 chars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test133.12  
Spinning Squares133.12  93.16 frames/sec
User Interface Test 48.00   
Elements48.00   16.33 refresh/sec
Disk Test   34.48   
Sequential  36.61   
Uncached Write  30.37   13.25 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write  30.85   12.55 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read   70.45   11.10 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read   33.63   14.51 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Random  32.59   
Uncached Write  20.36   0.31 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write  32.70   7.50 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read   48.82   0.32 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read   44.35   8.69 MB/sec [256K blocks]


17":

Results 92.56   
System Info 
Xbench Version  1.0b5
System Version  10.2.4
Physical RAM1024 MB
Processor   PowerPC G4 [1000.00 GHz]
L1 Cache32K (instruction), 32K (data)
L2 Cache256K
L3 Cache1024K
Bus Frequency   167 MHz
CPU Test109.56  
GCD Recursion   98.87   3.86 Mops/sec
Floating Point Basic115.38  388.89 Mflop/sec
AltiVec Basic   109.48  5.94 Gflop/sec
Floating Point Library  116.34  5.22 Mops/sec
Thread Test 65.61   
Computation 63.10   508.35 Kops/sec, 4 threads
Lock Contention 68.32   857.55 Klocks/sec, 4 threads
Memory Test 124.32  
System  122.50  
Allocate123.21  64.81 Kalloc/sec
Fill200.20  1148.02 MB/sec
Copy87.89   439.45 MB/sec
Stream  126.19  
Copy124.68  545.22 MB/sec [altivec]
Scale   127.85  557.81 MB/sec [altivec]
Add 128.77  585.89 MB/sec [altivec]
Triad   123.60  543.09 MB/sec [altivec]
Quartz Graphics Test120.40  
Line124.36  3.17 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle   119.38  8.40 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle  132.76  3.06 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier  119.25  1.30 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text108.80  1.77 Kchars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test123.58  
Spinning Squares123.58  86.48 frames/sec
User Interface Test 104.39  
Elements104.39  35.52 refresh/sec
Disk Test   61.08   
Sequential  62.11   
Uncached Write  56.17   24.51 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write  51.74   21.05 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read   121.13  19.08 MB/sec [4K blocks]
  

17" arrived

[Kevin Stevens]

Works fine, doesn't get too hot, spiffy performance.  I can sit here 
all day looking at the big, bright, lovely screen with the BIG FAT 
STUCK PIXELS IN THE MIDDLE THAT APPLE REFUSES TO REPLACE.  This is the 
kind of quality I'm thrilled to have spent my $3200 on.

KeS


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17" PowerBook now shipping.

[Kevin Stevens]

I received a notice at 3am that my 17" PowerBook has shipped.  Ordered
from the Apple Store, federal employee section on 1/7/3.

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Re: Is the Pismo Trackpad button Noisy?

[Kevin Stevens]

> I would try resetting the PRAM, although that's unlikely to do anything
> for your trackpad.
>
> KeS

Forgot: also check your firmware version.

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Re: Is the Pismo Trackpad button Noisy?

[Kevin Stevens]

> The trackpad button is not only much stiffer than the WallStreet, it
> makes an awfully loud click when you press it!!

Mine did not make an unusually loud click when pressed.  In fact I don't
recall it being audible except in a completely silent environment.

> Brightness controls on the keyboard don't work!
> I was aware that the dedicated volume and brightness controls from the
> WallStreet have been replaced by the function keys on the keyboard of
> the  Pismo. The volume and mute keys work just fine, bringing up the
> same old  volume display on the bottom of the screen. But the brightness
> keys (F1  and F2) don't apparently do anything at all! At the moment,
> the LCD  display is nice and bright, but I am used to reducing the
> brightness to  increase battery life. Is there something obvious I am
> missing? Is this a  sign that there is a fault with this Pismo?

They worked fine under all versions of OS X, and under 9.2, on my Pismo. 
Put up a ghosted gray box overlaying the screen, with bars for brightness.
 Should appear similar to the volume overlay.

> Any other nuggets of wisdom relating specifically to Pismos would be
> gratefully received. What other signs of trouble should I be on the look
>  out for? I am a WallStreet diehard, so I have some experience with
> general PowerBook usage.

I would try resetting the PRAM, although that's unlikely to do anything
for your trackpad.

KeS



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Re: 17' Powerbook Delays

[Kevin Stevens]

On Mon, 10 Mar 2003, Jeremy Derr wrote:

> On Monday, March 10, 2003, at 06:06 PM, Kevin Stevens wrote:
>
> that said, this is exactly why i refuse to get riled up or ticked off
> about anything i read ANYWHERE on mac news and rumors sites. why?
> because too many people take these sites as gospel. some people post to
> pbcentral.com, and you suddenly assume that "damned few" people ordered
> ahead of you. what percentage of Apple's customers do you think read
> pbcentral? of THAT percentage, how many do you think post or submit
> articles? if your answer constitutes anything that would be construed
> as a statistically valid sample, you're deluding yourself.

Which is totally irrelevant to the question of what the *earliest* date
is, which as I said before seems to be 3/20.

> also, how many -resellers- do you think got in orders ahead of you? how
> many do you think each one ordered? one? two? try "as many as apple
> would let them order."

So which is it?  People should order direct from Apple because it's a more
direct route, or they should order from a reseller because they snapped up
all the initial product?

Never mind, anyway.  I'm not interested in wrangling with you.

KeS

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Re: 17' Powerbook Delays

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>>I ordered a 17" PowerBook from the Apple Store within a couple of hours
>> of the introduction.  The ship date on the order has been 3/20 since a
>> week or so after I placed the order - before that it was "7-10 weeks".
>> Note that means that on the day it was introduced Apple gave a shipping
>> window in contradiction to the "next month" announcement...
>
> that's not necessarily true. you ordered at it said 7-10 weeks on screen
> when you ordered; 7 weeks would have put it within February - 10 would
> not.

Right.  The projected shipping window extended beyond the announced date.
In reality, no machines met the "next month" announced date, and 3/18
would be the ten week mark.

However, my point in the post was that the OP said his shipping was
delayed to the 21st, and you commented that he should have ordered
directly from Apple for better delivery.  I ordered from Apple ASAP and
received a ship date only a day ahead of his.  Ergo, the supplier source
(at least from what they're saying) didn't make a difference.

> even if you ordered only a few hours after the keynote, can
> you imagine the number of people who ordered before you?

Damned few, based on the reports from www.pbcentral.com.  To be precise,
I've only seen one report that was earlier than 3/20, and I suspect that
person got their months confused, since they said "February 20".

KeS




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Re: 17' Powerbook Delays

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> On Monday, March 10, 2003, at 04:22 PM, Steve Fuller wrote:
>
>> Ugh. Got a mail from PC Connection today. My 17" powerbook has been
>> delayed until the 21st now. It was supposed to ship at the end of the
>> week. I love Apple's hardware, but I really have to say that I am
>> quite irritated by the fact that they cannot seem to ship everything
>> that  they
>> announce within any sort of sensible time frame. They somehow managed
>>  to
>> get the 12" AlBooks out the door in pretty short order. Thankfully I
>> can
>> use my wife's Lombard for my fix for another week or two (not that
>> she's
>> going to be happy about that)
>
> well when ordering a brand new, not-yet-shipping product, it's
>  probably not wisest to order from a catalog reseller if timeliness is
>  important. why? because Apple ships to THEM, then they ship to YOU.
> the  delay is inherent to whom you've ordered from.

I ordered a 17" PowerBook from the Apple Store within a couple of hours
of the introduction.  The ship date on the order has been 3/20 since a
week or so after I placed the order - before that it was "7-10 weeks". 
Note that means that on the day it was introduced Apple gave a shipping
window in contradiction to the "next month" announcement...

KeS




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17" PowerBook user manual

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Don't know if this is a good sign, but it can't be a bad one:

http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n52091

KeS




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Re: Problems booting to OS 9

[Kevin Stevens]

> On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 08:35  PM, Kevin Stevens wrote:

>> Perhaps someone more knowledgeable will respond, but I still think
>> you've
>> encountered an architecture limitation.
>
> to begin with, Macs use OpenFirmware rather than OpenBoot. the
> difference is rather fine, but in essence, OpenBoot is the Sun-branded
> proprietary version of their own OpenFirmware property.
>
> as explained to me by someone at Apple... OpenFirmware has to bootstrap
> certain things in a specific order. enabling the ATA controller, the
> I/O controller, on up to actually loading the OS into RAM and finally
> executing code on the processor.
>
> when the OS loads is semi-arbitrary, and has to do with what the OS
> requires in order function, rather than hardware considerations. an OS
> that requires a protected memory scheme, for instance, has to load code
> in to the execution pipeline very early in the boot process. OS X
> requires this, OS 9 does not.

;)

> for OS 9, it's just fine to wait until
> much later in the boot process to load any OS-specific code. on the
> 8GB-limited machines, the firmware itself can access data in the first
> 8GB without actually having to load the ATA controller code from the
> BootROM.
>
> why is all of this exposition important?
>
> loading the ATA controller code and initializing advanced features of
> the chip (and thus, allowing access to the disk beyond the 8GB limit)
> happens too late for the bootstrapper to still load OS X. it's NOT,
> however, too late to load OS 9.

Ah.  Thanks for the detail.

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Re: Problems booting to OS 9

[Kevin Stevens]

On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Dustin wrote:

> Wallstreet. The limitation is for OS X only, AFAIK. OS 9 installation
> works fine in Classic mode though.
>
> -Dustin

Since it's a limitation regarding what parts of the disk can be accessed
by OpenBoot, I doubt the limitation is OS-specific.  Also, installation
once any OS disk drivers are loaded probably wouldn't be a problem,
either.

Perhaps someone more knowledgeable will respond, but I still think you've
encountered an architecture limitation.

KeS

> -Original Message-
> From: G-Books [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kevin
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> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 9:29 PM
> To: G-Books
> Subject: Re: Problems booting to OS 9
>
>
>
> On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Dustin wrote:
>
> > I can't boot to OS 9 on my PowerBook G3. I have 1 disk with 2
> > partitions. The first one is 8 GB with OS X on it, and the other is
> over
> > 10 GB with OS 9 on it. When I select the OS 9 parition as the boot
> disk,
> > and restart, it goes to the "Happy Mac", then restarts again, and
> > continues booting to OS X.
>
> What model G3?  I thought some of them had a limitation that boot
> partitions be located within the first 8GB.
>
> KeS
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Re: Problems booting to OS 9

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On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Dustin wrote:

> I can't boot to OS 9 on my PowerBook G3. I have 1 disk with 2
> partitions. The first one is 8 GB with OS X on it, and the other is over
> 10 GB with OS 9 on it. When I select the OS 9 parition as the boot disk,
> and restart, it goes to the "Happy Mac", then restarts again, and
> continues booting to OS X.

What model G3?  I thought some of them had a limitation that boot
partitions be located within the first 8GB.

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Re: OS X 10.2.4 stable?

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>> Also try holding down Shift;Option;Command;Delete at startup. This
>> forces the computer to look for a bootable volume other than the
>> internal startup drive (including a CD-ROM). This often works when a
>> Mac refuses to boot from CD even when holding down the "C" key.
>
> Does this still work on newer computers and OS's? I haven't tried it on
> my Pismo because I haven't needed it, but I really needed it this
> weekend with my kids' computer. I was thinking then, that it probably
> wouldn't work on my Pismo, but this would be good news if it does...

It does work on a Pismo.

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Re: new PB question

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On Fri, 15 Feb 2003, Steve Fuller wrote:

> On Sat, 2003-02-15 at 00:11, Kevin Stevens wrote:
>
> > > It is most definitely Ti. Only 12" and 17" PBs are Aluminum as of yet.
> >
> > Actually only 12" PBs are aluminum as of yet.  ;)
>
> Yeah yeah yeah. Rub it in why don't ya? :)
>
> ...Patiently waiting for March 15th

I have one on order too, remember.  My Pismo sold on eBay in 8 hours, and
I'm typing on a five year-old Pentium laptop running FreeBSD until the
PowerBook ships.

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Re: new PB question

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On Sat, 15 Feb 2003, Andrew Johnson wrote:

> On Saturday, February 15, 2003, at 12:39  AM, wappling wrote:
>
> > Hi, to ID this machine is it a  TI or AI ? its G4 800  15 in. screen
> > two
> > tone light gray and dark gray,  thankyou
> >
> >
> It is most definitely Ti. Only 12" and 17" PBs are Aluminum as of yet.

Actually only 12" PBs are aluminum as of yet.  ;)

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Re: 10.2.4

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On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> The only difference noted so far is that the app not responding in
> force quit box is now in red lettering.

That's not new.

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Re: 17' PowerBook shipping estimate

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> I placed an order with my sales rep from PC Connection today (also known
> as Mac Connection. I was told that they will have them in on the 10th of
> Feb. Mine will be shipped overnight so I should (hopefully) have it on
> the 12th.

Heard anything, Steve?

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Re: Basic Airport Question

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On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Stephen Bright wrote:

> If you want to connect your pbook to the internet and the ethernet network
> (of 2 computers and a printer) is it better to connect the Base Station to
> the cable modem through the WAN port, or to connect the network to the Base
> Station via the lAN port.

You need to connect the Base Station to the cable modem through the WAN
port.  Otherwise the stateful firewall rules, NAT, etc. will be operating
on the wrong interface.

> Currently I have the base station connected to the cable modem through the
> WAN port, and all computers see the internet, but not each other. Thanks,

Then something's broken.  Supply details.

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Re: G4 Sleeve recommendations?

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>> Don't cheap out on the bag. Remember, applecare won't
>> replace a broken screen. In this case it only costs a little
>
> As someone who has a 17" PB on order and was considering Applecare for
> it, my reaction to this phrase is "You are KIDDING right???"

Kidding about what?  If you mean that Applecare won't replace a
(traumatically) broken screen, of course they won't.  Applecare is
warranty, not insurance.  You can buy accident riders for computer
equipment on homeowner's/renter's insurance policies, though.

Your car warranty doesn't cover accidental damage either.

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Re: Pismo Sleep Problem

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On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Joe Ellis wrote:

> My Pismo also appears to have a problem with sleep and after a lot of
> playing around with it, I beginning to think it may relate to OS X. At first
> I suspected that my power manager board has a problem but I think now it may
> relate to network activity over airport. My problem is I can't get it to go
> to sleep at all. I haven't booted back into OS 9 to see if it's there as
> well, maybe give it a shot tonight.

My Airport-connected Pismo is put to sleep 6-10 times a day with no
problem.  What "network activity" are you referring to?

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Re: Any TiBook Bargains out there?

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On Tuesday, Jan 28, 2003, at 11:34 US/Pacific, Joe Ellis wrote:

>> I bought a 'open box' pismo from macresq 3 years ago and it's going 
>> strong
>> and I would like to get my wife a PB.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Ed Z
>>
> That Pismo can be upgraded to the equivalent of the early Ti Books for 
> $300.
> See < http://www.powerlogix.com/ > Just ordered my upgrade today.

I have a very nice Pismo I was just about to put on eBay, if anyone is 
interested drop me a note offline.

Several of the online merchants (smalldog, dealmac, etc.) have refurbs 
available from Apple, that might be a place to look for earlier TiBooks.

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Re: 17" PowerBook shipping estimate

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On Monday, Jan 20, 2003, at 20:43 US/Pacific, Steve Fuller wrote:

> On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 19:04, Kevin Stevens wrote:
>> Don't know that it's all that encouraging or accurate, but it's more
>> information than I've had before:  my order now shows that the
>> PowerBook should ship "on or before" 03/20.
>
> I placed an order with my sales rep from PC Connection today (also 
> known
> as Mac Connection. I was told that they will have them in on the 10th 
> of
> Feb. Mine will be shipped overnight so I should (hopefully) have it on
> the 12th. It came with a free 512MB upgrade as well, with no charge for
> installation. I will be an official "switcher" as this will now be my
> main machine rather than just a learning machine like my G4 tower was.
> :)

I qualify for the federal employee discount, so ordered from Apple.  
That may delay the order somewhat, but I'm still surprised to hear that 
the retailers can be that certain of their ship dates yet.

I'm sure we'll see people posting when they actually show up.

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17" PowerBook shipping estimate

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Don't know that it's all that encouraging or accurate, but it's more 
information than I've had before:  my order now shows that the 
PowerBook should ship "on or before" 03/20.

Why Apple felt it helpful to ship the APP last week via 2-day delivery 
is a bit beyond me...

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Re: wireless USB peripherals

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On Saturday, Jan 18, 2003, at 22:20 US/Pacific, wappling wrote:

> Hi all, just learning here,I have a D-Link wireless ethernet router
> connecting a powerbook g4 to road runner cable modem,so far so great, 
> I also
> have a printer and scanner,what are the components named that i need 
> to get
> to connect wirelessly to these also? thankyou for your help

Hello -

More details needed.  What kind of interfaces do the printer and 
scanner have, and what do you mean by "connect wirelessly" to them?  If 
you mean that you want to reach them from your wireless connected 
Powerbook, but they can be hard-wired to the switch ports on the D-Link 
device, that's one thing - if you want the printer and scanner 
themselves to use wireless connections it's another.

The printer will need a network print server.  This can be a dedicated 
device that connects to the printer, part of a network switch or 
router, or a service provided by a computer that the printer attaches 
to.  If you are using IP-based computers only, LPR/LPD print servers 
are the most common and will work well.  However, if you have legacy 
Apple equipment that requires AppleTalk over Ethernet, you will need to 
find a combination print server to support it.

Attaching a scanner to the network may be more problematic, because 
AFAIK there is no standard network protocol for communicating with 
them, and the manufacturer's software may not be capable of working 
with them in any way other than a direct connection.  You are likely to 
need to consult the manufacturer's information for the specific scanner 
to see what the options are.

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Re: "auto-dimming" feature

[Kevin Stevens]

On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Shawn King wrote:

> On 1/9/03 9:15 PM, "Kevin Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Yes, I hope it'll be nice, though I'm a little concerned about the
> > "auto-dimming" feature - all too often I don't agree with automatic
> > stuff like that.
>
> I asked Apple - you can turn that off.
>
> Shawn King

Good to know, thanks!

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Re: 802.1g

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On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Stephen Bright wrote:

> > Not without drivers, it won't.  See the Belkin link I posted yesterday.
>
> Excuse my ignorance, but when (if) they release the Mac OS drivers, will it
> then work on the Pismo?
> Stephen

I don't know of any reason why the D-Link card would be
hardware-incompatible with a Pismo, they both purport to meet CardBus
interoperability standards.

However, AFAIK D-Link hasn't announced any plans to develop, release, or
support drivers for OS X for this card.  They haven't done so for their
other, similar wireless products.

Hence my attempt to deflect you to the Belkin product - they *have*
announced their intention to support their 802.11g card on the Mac.

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Re: 802.1g

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On Wednesday, Jan 15, 2003, at 23:30 US/Pacific, Stephen Bright wrote:

> D-Link also is shipping a 802.11g cardbus card. Do you think this 
> would work
> for the Pismo?
>
> 

Not without drivers, it won't.  See the Belkin link I posted yesterday.

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Re: 802.1g

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On Tuesday, Jan 14, 2003, at 18:29 US/Pacific, Kevin Stevens wrote:

> D-Link and Linksys already have CardBus cards out, others will follow.
> You just need to find one that will supply OS X drivers.
>
> KeS

Et voila!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=77&e=2&cid=77&u=/mc/ 
20030114/tc_mc/belkin_intros_new_802_11g__usb__firewire_800_devices

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Re: 802.1g

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On Tuesday, Jan 14, 2003, at 17:49 US/Pacific, Jeremy Derr wrote:

> On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 04:20  PM, Steven Rogers wrote:
>
>>  I have a Powerbook Pismo and would like to know if there are any
>> 802.1g cards that I could use in OS X.
>
> that would be 802.11g... and AFAIK, the answer is unfortunately "no".
>
> There has been speculation that 802.11g is too much bandwidth for a
> PCMCIA slot and isn't possible on a Pismo or earlier TiBook... the
> former is true, while the latter is not. If all these machines had was
> PCMCIA it would be true, but technically G3/G4 PowerBooks have a
> CardBus slot. Cardbus is more than adequate for 802.11g.

D-Link and Linksys already have CardBus cards out, others will follow.  
You just need to find one that will supply OS X drivers.

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Re: The 17" PowerBook

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On Fri, 10 Jan 2003, Jeremy Derr wrote:

> name some. name a phone that's USB2 (hint: they're going to BlueTooth,
> not USB2). Name a PDA that is USB2. Name some USB2 speakers. USB audio
> doesn't anywhere NEAR saturate a USB 1.1 bus, so bumping speakers to
> USB2 would be pointless. name a USB2 card reader.  name a camera.
>
> I've asked for this information previously in this thread, but you
> either can't come up with it, or can't be bothered.

Considering the response I've gotten, call it "can't be bothered".  It
shouldn't be necessary to call out a list of devices that are present
today (in advance of the computer even being out), that require USB2, to
make the point that a new top of the line laptop should support it. If
there's NOTHING on the market yet - zero, zip, nada; a new machine should
support it.  How many Firewire 800 devices are there out there right now?

But since you keep picking at this:

HP photosmart 120, 620, 812
Sony DSC-F717
... if you follow the new product announcements on Steve's digicam site or
others there are a slew of others  coming out.

> A quick search of Google and PriceLine renders...nothing.

Our experience differs.  See below.

> USB2 has become a standard in PC computers. It has yet to really come to
> play in actual peripherals. Like I said start naming some. About the
> only decent USB2-only device I've seen would be some of Iomega's newer
> drives. Even their hard drives have interchangeable dongles so you can
> use them with FireWire -or- USB2.
>
> Name some. name some REAL stuff, that's actually shipping right now. Not
> "coming soon", not vaporware.

A straw argument - I care about what's going to be out there over the 2-3
year working life of the Powerbook, not what's out there today.  And why
do you insist that I justify this requirement anyway?  It can't be as
simple as wanting the current version of the technology, 40x faster than
the former, on this new laptop?  But again, since you insist:

http://www.usb-2-0.com/index.html
http://www.usbgear.com/usa/USB_20.html
http://www.usbmax.com/usb-max/Products/USB_20.cfm
http://www.qvs.com/usb/usb2.asp
http://www.cooldrives.com/usb20products.html
http://www.envynews.com/review.php?ID=252
http://shop3.outpost.com/search?search_type=regular&query_string=USB+2.0

There was a really nice site that I saw the other day that has all their
USB 2.0 products broken down by product type, but I can't find it right
now.

"But you could buy all that stuff in Firewire versions!"

But I shouldn't have to.  I'd rather have both alternatives.  How can
people argue that not having alternatives is better than having them?
And when I go over to a friend's house, or a vendor comes in, and WHAT
THEY HAVE is a USB 2.0 external drive, it doesn't really matter what my
preference is.  Reality is that I'll buy a PCMCIA (slow) USB 2 card, and
live with the inconvenience of having to lug it around in order to be
assured of connectivity with the rest of the world.

Again, please let this thread drop.  I want the current version of USB in
my new AlBook, and I'm not going to get it.  Nothing else really needs to
be said.

KeS

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Re: The 17" PowerBook

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On Thursday, Jan 9, 2003, at 19:08 US/Pacific, Jim Freeman wrote:

> There is no way I'll be able to afford the 17", but that backlight
> kills me. I'm always fumbling with my Pismo keyboard in the dark. I
> share a room with a sleeping baby in the evenings. I wish the 12" had
> the backlight effect, and I'd get out of my Pismo right now.
>
> Jim

Yes, I hope it'll be nice, though I'm a little concerned about the 
"auto-dimming" feature - all too often I don't agree with automatic 
stuff like that.

Have you checked out the USB (sorry, don't think they come in Firewire) 
flexible LED on a stalk lights?  That's what I use on my workstation 
keyboard.

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Re: The 17" PowerBook

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On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Obi-Wan wrote:

> On 1/9/03 11:31 AM, "Kevin Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew
> into the Cybertrough:
>
> > Predictably, both of the people who have grabbed the end of this towel and
> > started shaking are affiliated with Apple in some way.  I don't give a
> > damn about promoting Firewire *or* USB.  I'm just a user who is buying a
> > supposedly state-of-the-art computer, wants to be able to connect to the
> > widest assortment of peripherals over the next two or three years
>
> I'm not affiliated with Apple in any way, and I don't give a rats *ss about
> USB 2.  The PC world can *keep* it as far as I am concerned. I do not and
> can't forsee any reason I would need it.Unless Keyboards and Mice start
> coming in USB 2 *only* I will never need or use USB 2.  It's just like PS 2
> IMHO.

Then this issue doesn't concern you, I guess.

> Kyle H. Hansen
> Apple Certified Technician
> Apple Solution Expert
> Macintosh Server Administrator
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Your sig doesn't really match the "not affiliated with Apple in any way"
comment.  I consider my various certifications to denote affiliation as
well.

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Re: The 17" PowerBook

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On Thu, 9 Jan 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>
> In a message dated 1/8/03 1:00:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << I also really wish they'd included USB 2.0.  To be the best "digital
> hub", you need to drop the politics sometimes and get with what the
> rest of the world is doing.
>  >>
>
> You're kidding, right?

No, I'm not kidding.  I find the lack of support for USB 2 to be a major
downside of the Macintosh line, and specifically the new 17"; since that's
the one I just committed $3800 to.

>  This is not an across-the-board standard. Most devices
> that have USB 2 also have Firewire.

This is exactly what I meant about keeping politics out of it.  USB 2 *is*
an across-the-board standard - it is totally replacing USB 1 for
everything but low-speed (keyboard/mouse) devices.  Virtually all new PCs
come with USB 2 connections, and the peripherals are pacing that market.

The statement that "most devices that have USB 2 also have Firewire" is
just wrong.  Maybe y'all are looking at external drives or some other
specific segment.  Card readers, scanners, speakers, phones, PDAs, there's
zillions of devices out there that need > USB 1 speed and are coming out
in USB2.

Yes, some of them are available in *either* USB 2 or Firewire.  That
doesn't really help me, because I'm talking about a portable computer.
I'm going to take it into the field, and I'm going to run into peripherals
that I can't use.  Guaranteed.  It's going to be a hassle, and I'm going
to have to buy a PCMCIA card to support USB2 and carry it around.

> And in actual operation, the throughput of even Firewire 400 is faster
> than USB 2. I, for one, am happy for the 2 Firewire ports (since the 800
> port can be used with 400 devices using an adapter). I'd glad that once
> again Apple is taking the initiative with Firewire 800.

Stop talking about Firewire, I'm sorry I even mentioned it in my original
post.  Firewire is great, Firewire is good, I'm glad that everyone who
needs 100MB/sec access is being accommodated by Firewire 800.

Again, this is shaking down across political lines.  Apple promotes
Firewire, and downplays USB (Not Invented Here).  The PC market has
preferred USB in the past, though my latest couple of PCs have come with
both Firewire and USB (2).

Predictably, both of the people who have grabbed the end of this towel and
started shaking are affiliated with Apple in some way.  I don't give a
damn about promoting Firewire *or* USB.  I'm just a user who is buying a
supposedly state-of-the-art computer, wants to be able to connect to the
widest assortment of peripherals over the next two or three years, and is
disappointed that Apple didn't include the *current*, 40x faster, version
of USB to assist in that endeavor.

KeS

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Re: The 17" PowerBook

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On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Eugene Lee wrote:

> On the contrary, the improvement between Firewire 400 and Firewire 800
> is signficant precisely because data size increases as the resolution of
> digital cameras improves and as JPEG quality is reduced (or not used at
> all and the raw data is transferred).

How is the speed increase helping you?  Ultimately you are transferring to
DASD, and there just aren't that many implementations that are talking to
SANS or RAID clusters that can handle more than 50MB/sec (and you would be
using a PowerBook with).

However, once again, this is a red herring.  The issue is not that
Firewire shouldn't be bumped by a speed factor of two; it's that Apple
failed to bump USB by a speed factor of 40.

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Re: The 17" PowerBook

[Kevin Stevens]

On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Jeff Drummond wrote:

> >except that the rest of the world isn't doing USB 2. and those devices
> >that ARE USB 2, almost all still have FireWire ports on them. A recent
> >visit to Fry's proved this of all their decent USB 2 devices, every
> >one of them had FireWire too.
>
> How many of these devices were printers? ;)

I was shopping for a photo printer last month, and was interested to see
that a few of the models were supporting USB 2, but that isn't a huge deal
to me because the printers I'm using usually can't really deal with the
data much faster than USB 1 speed anyway.

> I really don't want to get into a FireWire vs. USB war, but I just think
> that as long as Apple is going to put USB ports on their computers that
> they should use the best USB that's readily available, and that's the
> current USB 2.0 spec (instead of the now-ancient--in computer years ;)--
> USB 1.1).

Exactly.

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Re: The 17" PowerBook

[Kevin Stevens]

On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Jeremy Derr wrote:

> On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 03:23 PM, Kevin Stevens wrote:
>
> >> similarly, your 784kbps (or worse) Cable or DSL connection isn't going
> >> to be saturated by a single computer, regardless of your browsing
> >> habits).
> >
> > Not true.  My DSL connection is capped at 1.2 Mb, and I am therefore
> > limited to 150KB/sec downloads.  My internal network and drive speed
> > could
> > handle a much (probably 100x depending on which computer it is) faster
> > connection.  In fact, I was downloading BMW films last night at my
> > standard 150KB/sec, and copying them back out over the network to my
> > file
> > server at the same time.  The DSL connection was the overwhelming
> > bottleneck in the process.
>
> many (if not most) internet SERVERS won't even handle 150KB/s
> transfers. I'm sitting on a 1.5Mbps T1 line right now. I don't get
> anything like a "standard" 150KB/s. Nor have I on any other T1 or T3
> I've ever been privvy to using.
>
> Hell, my personal co-located web server is sitting on a multihomed T3
> connection in Dallas, and I'm on a 1.5Mbps T1, and I can only expect
> between 20-45kbps reliably, and peaks around 75.
>
> Unless you're sitting ON one of the internet backbones, the Internet
> itself is the overwhelming bottleneck.

(shrug)

I've had DSL connections through Pac Bell in two locations for over three
years.  Both were capped at 1.2Mb.  From both I typically achieved
download speeds of 149 - 153KB/sec.  I've been doing this for years.  Last
night I downloaded half a dozen of the 100MB+ BMW films - steady
throughput at 145KB/sec+ (there's generally a little time at the end
closing the connection that drops the rate down from the steady 153KB/sec
observed during the transfer).  I downloaded Safari and Apple X at the
same rate from Apple.  The actual transfer times/sizes agree with the
calculated rate.

You're either trying to start an argument, or just calling me a liar.
Either way, I'm not interested in pursuing it.  Thread closed.

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Re: The 17" PowerBook

[Kevin Stevens]

On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Jeremy Derr wrote:

> On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 02:25 PM, Kevin Stevens wrote:
>
> Virtually all Digital Camcorders out right now are Firewire. I can't
> name one that isn't, off the top of my head.

Agreed.

> Virtually all Digital Still Cameras out right now are USB. Similarly, I
> can't find any with USB 2. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough.

I guess not.

> Every USB 2 device I've seen yet is a hard drive that also has FireWire.

Our experiences differ.  I wouldn't be complaining if it weren't an issue
for me.

> > Put another way, the difference between USB 1 and USB 2 (11vs400Mb) is
> > a
> > enormous benefit to have.  The improvement between Firewire and F2
> > (400 vs
> > 800Mb) is much less so - you usually can't dump 50MB/sec to disk
> > anyway,
> > never mind 100MB/sec.
>
> h, two flaws in your logic. you're assuming a single computer
> connected to a single peripheral. you're also mixing Mb with MB. Bus

I am assuming a single peripheral, true.  I'm fully conscious of the
distinction of megabits vs megabytes, and if you review my posting above
you'll see that I have the correct rates as well as the correct
abbreviations where each is used.

> throughput is measured in Megabits per second (Mbps). Hard drive
> transfer rates are measured in Megabytes (MB). (this doesn't really
> affect the outcome of your statement -- a single device isn't usually
> going to saturate a USB 1 bus, much less a USB 2 or FireWire bus;

Almost any single hard drive, and definitely any solid state device, will
saturate an 11Mb/1.5MB USB 1 connection.  That's why USB 2 is of great
significance compared to USB 1.

> similarly, your 784kbps (or worse) Cable or DSL connection isn't going
> to be saturated by a single computer, regardless of your browsing
> habits).

Not true.  My DSL connection is capped at 1.2 Mb, and I am therefore
limited to 150KB/sec downloads.  My internal network and drive speed could
handle a much (probably 100x depending on which computer it is) faster
connection.  In fact, I was downloading BMW films last night at my
standard 150KB/sec, and copying them back out over the network to my file
server at the same time.  The DSL connection was the overwhelming
bottleneck in the process.

> The difference between 400Mbps and 800Mbps becomes a much bigger deal
> (MUCH!) when you're talking about a set up like mine. I have 2 hard
> drives, a CDRW drive, a scanner, and an iPod (intermittently
> connected). I'm also about to add another FireWire drive or perhaps a
> FireWire RAID array, doing away with my older, slower drives. I'm also
> looking at a firewire based MIDI rig.
>
> Not one of these devices alone will benefit from being on a 400Mbps bus
> (or higher), except maybe the RAID array (theoretically, at least).
> Combined onto the bus together, I already run into a slow-down a couple
> of times per day, particularly when I add syncing my iPod to my normal
> workflow. I'm sure it'll happen more often soon. For my uses, it might
> never happen @ 800Mbps... or very rarely, at least.

Ok.  As said before, our experiences differ.  None of this speaks to my
original point, which is that it's disappointing to not have USB 2 on a
machine that prides itself on its interoperability.

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Re: The 17" PowerBook

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On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Jeremy Derr wrote:

> On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 11:58 AM, Kevin Stevens wrote:
>
> > I also really wish they'd included USB 2.0.  To be the best "digital
> > hub", you need to drop the politics sometimes and get with what the
> > rest of the world is doing.
>
> except that the rest of the world isn't doing USB 2. and those devices
> that ARE USB 2, almost all still have FireWire ports on them. A recent
> visit to Fry's proved this of all their decent USB 2 devices, every
> one of them had FireWire too.

That's simply not true.  The digital camera market is very fragmented
between USB 2 and Firewire, and they typically only have one of the two.
As pixel sizes become larger it becomes even more of an issue.  Card
readers of various types are also quickly converting to USB 2.  Ditto
handheld uplink devices.  If you're talking about *computers*, I agree -
that's exactly what I'm complaining about.

Put another way, the difference between USB 1 and USB 2 (11vs400Mb) is a
enormous benefit to have.  The improvement between Firewire and F2 (400 vs
800Mb) is much less so - you usually can't dump 50MB/sec to disk anyway,
never mind 100MB/sec.

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Re: The 17" PowerBook

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On Wednesday, Jan 8, 2003, at 08:07 US/Pacific, Laurent Daudelin wrote:

> I know what you mean ;-)
>
> I haven't been dreaming about any Macintosh since a few years now, 
> with a
> B&W updated with a 500 MHz G4 and a Radeon, plus my Pismo. Even if both
> computers are not the fastest, they fit my bill. But, since the 
> introduction
> of yesterday, I surprised myself dreaming about if I could spare 
> $3300...
> Like I said, that's the first time that this is happening to me in the
> latest few years. I guess I'm starting to be ready for an upgrade...
>
> -Laurent.

I put my Pismo up for sale and ordered a 17" AlBook.  The larger, 
though more unwieldy form factor fits my use well.  But the deciding 
point was that the Airport Extreme cards won't fit existing Airport 
slots.  That was a cunning bit of planned obsolescence on Apple's part 
- certainly pushed me over the edge.

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Re: The 17" PowerBook

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On Wednesday, Jan 8, 2003, at 07:40 US/Pacific, David M. Ensteness 
wrote:

> The only thing that bothers me is that FireWire 800 is not the same
> connector as FireWire 400. That will make adoption harder on people. I
> am happy that they included both types on the new 17" though.
>
> David

I also really wish they'd included USB 2.0.  To be the best "digital 
hub", you need to drop the politics sometimes and get with what the 
rest of the world is doing.

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Re: OS 10 vs Windows?

[Kevin Stevens]

On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, Bill Fischer wrote:

> I currently have a Pismo and the primary applications I use are;
> AppleWorks; Filemaker; BluePrint; Quicken; Now UptoDate & Contact;
> Eudora; Explorer; Reunion; Route 66; Solitaire;
>
> Anyway, what am I missing? What are the real advantages of OS 10 over Windows?
>
> --
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The advantage of OS X is that it runs on a Powerbook and is therefore a
legitimate topic of conversation for this list.

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Re: OT: OS X software update

[Kevin Stevens]

On Sunday, Dec 15, 2002, at 20:55 US/Pacific, Donald Keenan wrote:
> Jolly good! Now, if I make something inactive, will it be available in
> my log, should I later want it?
> Thanks

I don't know what you mean by "available in my log", but there's a 
@#%#$% big button on the requester that says "Show Inactive Updates".

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Re: Beware Vaseline.

[Kevin Stevens]

On Saturday, Dec 14, 2002, at 10:43 US/Pacific, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  Vaseline has unfortunate properties where many "rubber" compounds are
> concerned, ask any motor mechanic, electrician, computer repairer.

... father.  ;)

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Re: Wireless Router options

[Kevin Stevens]

On Saturday, Nov 30, 2002, at 04:48 US/Pacific, P.F.Grenier wrote:

>
> On Saturday, Nov 30, 2002, at 04:10 US/Eastern, Kevin Stevens wrote:
>> I imagine you should check the docs for the specific device you're
>> considering, but it is a generally available feature.  I don't
>> recommend the Netgear only because some people report that it doesn't
>> bridge AppleTalk frames (I don't use AppleTalk).  Rumor is the older 
>> MR
>> 314 does, but I wouldn't recommend that either because it's been
>> obsoleted by the 814.
>
> Yeah, like the SE was obsoleted by the Classic
> BTW, the MR314 does support AppleTalk, it still works.

I don't understand your analogy (I don't know/care about old Macs); my 
point was that the 814 is a newer model than the 314, but is 
functionally similar, and thus is more likely to be supported by 
Netgear for a longer period.

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On Saturday, Nov 30, 2002, at 00:51 US/Pacific, Clark Martin wrote:

> I know it's bridging, I just call it a router as that is what they
> are generally refered to as.  They are really
> router/bridge/switch/accesspoint if not more things too.

Ok, I always throw that in there because a lot of people are confused 
about it.

>> Now I'm confused.  If you want a router in between the wireless and
>> wired sides of the internal LAN, the cheap internet routers won't do
>> this.  You could put the single-port Internet side on one side of the
>> LAN and the wireless on the other, but that seems in conflict with 
>> what
>> I understood you to be saying above.
>
> This is in case I use the router to connect to my broadband connection.

Ok again...

>> However, all of the internet routers I've dealt with *can* map
>> different port maps to different internal IP addresses; not just one.
>> The limitation they usually have is that they'll only pass unfiltered
>> traffic to one IP address.
>
>
> But they don't seem to be able to map from the WAN IP address/port to
> a LAN IP address and a different port.

Sure, that's exactly what they do.  Both my Netgear and a super-cheap 
Gigafast internet router I have do this, as well as of course my Cisco 
806 router which is what I actually use.

You can define a source port, a destination port, and a destination IP 
address.  The source IP address is determined by what you assigned to 
the WAN interface.

I just went and double-checked to be sure - obviously the more common 
need is to simply forward an incoming port to the same port at a 
different address, but they do allow for changing the destination port 
as well.

I imagine you should check the docs for the specific device you're 
considering, but it is a generally available feature.  I don't 
recommend the Netgear only because some people report that it doesn't 
bridge AppleTalk frames (I don't use AppleTalk).  Rumor is the older MR 
314 does, but I wouldn't recommend that either because it's been 
obsoleted by the 814.

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Re: Wireless Router options

[Kevin Stevens]

On Friday, Nov 29, 2002, at 23:42 US/Pacific, Clark Martin wrote:
> Which routers support AppleTalk between the wireless and wired LAN.
> This is a must for me, just to be able to print.  I don't know why
> but this should be difficult but it seems like the device should
> transfer ANY Ethernet packets.

Not packets, frames.  AppleTalk uses it's own frame type, which isn't 
the same as  normal Ethernet.  Some devices support it, others don't.

Also, note that you won't be *routing* between the wireless and wired 
LAN segments, you're bridging.  The routing is between either of those 
segments and the internet segment of the router.  Just FYI.

> As a general question can the wireless routers be used simply as an
> access point.  That is, to connect a wired LAN to wireless computers.
> It seems some at least should be able to based on looking at some
> features.  I have a software router now and want to stick with it
> unless I can find a hardware router than can do as much.

Yep.  Just ignore the internet side port/segment.  I'm using a Netgear 
MR814 like this right now.

> Are there any low cost routers that not only do port mapping but also
> remap the port numbers.  I think this is a big limitation of the ones
> I've seen so far.  They'll map one port number to a computer on the
> LAN but what if you have two or more computers you want to make
> available.  For example you can have multiple computers accessible by
> AppleShare IP or Timbuktu by mapping them to different port numbers
> (549, 550,... and 408, 409, ... respectively).

Now I'm confused.  If you want a router in between the wireless and 
wired sides of the internal LAN, the cheap internet routers won't do 
this.  You could put the single-port Internet side on one side of the 
LAN and the wireless on the other, but that seems in conflict with what 
I understood you to be saying above.

However, all of the internet routers I've dealt with *can* map 
different port maps to different internal IP addresses; not just one.  
The limitation they usually have is that they'll only pass unfiltered 
traffic to one IP address.

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Re: Jaguar unstable: right-clicking

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On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Amber Rhea wrote:

> > It doesn't happen with my Logitech Optical Wheel Mouse, Jaguar, and IE
> > 5.2.2/iChat.  I'm using a Pismo 500, but I suspect the difference is
> > that I'm not using any Logitech drivers or software; just the mouse
> > plugged in on the Jaguar base build.  Works fine.
>
> Well, it can't be that, because I was not using any Logitech drivers and it
> was happening. I downloaded the Logitech drivers because I thought they
> might fix the problem. I used this same mouse with no additional drivers
> under 10.1.5 for months with no problems... so it must be something
> particular to Jaguar (I'm running 10.2.2). Not a huge deal, but I'd just
> like to get to the bottom of it!

I'm the responder above; to clarify,  10.2.2 here as well, all updates
installed.  Let me know if you want any more tests done.

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Re: Jaguar unstable: right-clicking

[Kevin Stevens]

On Sunday, Nov 24, 2002, at 16:29 US/Pacific, Amber Rhea wrote:
> I installed Jaguar a few days ago and have been very pleased with it
> overall. There is a notable speed increase in my iBook 500. One weird
> thing, though: whenever I right-click or control-click in Internet
> Explorer, the program crashes ("unexpectedly quit"). I have a Logitech
> Optical Wheel Mouse. I downloaded the Logitech OS X preference pane (is
> that the correct term?) as well as the latest version of IE, but it's
> still happening. It also happens in iChat. So far, other apps seem to
> be fine. (I can right-click in Netscape with no problems.) This is very
> odd. Has anyone experienced anything like this?

It doesn't happen with my Logitech Optical Wheel Mouse, Jaguar, and IE 
5.2.2/iChat.  I'm using a Pismo 500, but I suspect the difference is 
that I'm not using any Logitech drivers or software; just the mouse 
plugged in on the Jaguar base build.  Works fine.

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Re: Double Rs

[Kevin Stevens]

On Sunday, Nov 24, 2002, at 13:31 US/Pacific, Charles Meyerson wrote:

> Anyone have any idea why my iBook (Graphite/SE) sporadically types TWO 
> R's
> instead of just one?

Go to International Settings and make sure you don't have Spanish 
selected?  ;)  Just kidding.

> Since this problem doesn't affect other keys and seems independent of 
> any
> keyboard extension settings (and happens in OS X and System 9), I'd 
> guess
> it's a mechanical problem. But I can't make it happen on demand, so I'm
> having a tough time duplicating the phenomenon for diagnosis.

Just like keys that produce no output at all, this is usually cruft in 
the key mechanism, so that it doesn't press evenly and sends two 
signals instead of one.  You have to clean the keyboard out, I don't 
know the procedure for an iBook but this type of thing sometimes 
responds to an air blast rather than a "clean and soak" approach as if 
you'd spilled liquid in it.

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Re: Are you sure you want to ... ?

[Kevin Stevens]

On Thursday, Nov 21, 2002, at 00:54 US/Pacific, Obi-Wan wrote:

> On 11/20/02 10:42 PM, "Kevin Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Spew
> into the Cybertrough:
>
>>
>> On Wednesday, Nov 20, 2002, at 22:15 US/Pacific, Jon Glass wrote:
>>
>>> on 11/20/02 4:49 AM, Andrew Johnson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hold alt when you choose the apple menu.
>>>
>>> Does that mean Option or Command? Please use the Apple names, not
>>> Windows
>>> names. It's like swearing to this diehard. ;-)
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>>
>> The same keycaps have both "Option" and "Alt" written on them on my G3
>> Powerbook keyboard.
>> The same keycap have both "Option" and "Alt" written on it them on my
>> Apple Pro keyboard.
>>
>> Get over yourself.
>
> In my opinion Jon is right in asking that the Apple name be used.  The 
> key
> closest to the Apple (or command) key is the Option Key.  Even if 
> there is a
> tiny "alt" printed on some keyboards.  It is NEVER referred to as the 
> ALT
> key, and always referred to as the "option" key.

Really?  Gee, I'd have to say that you're wrong, Kyle.  If it were 
"NEVER referred to as the ALT key", this absurd issue wouldn't have 
arisen, would it?  In fact, it was PRECISELY the act of referring to 
the key as the alt key (above) that got Jon's panties in a twist.

As for "the Apple name", they're the ones who printed the keycaps.  
Does this also mean that I can't reference the "?" key?  Do I *have* to 
call it the "/"???

> So I suggest you get over *your* self.

I'm not the one having a problem with someone referencing a key by the 
symbol printed on it.  Hard to characterize it as anything but absurd.

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Re: Are you sure you want to ... ?

[Kevin Stevens]

On Wednesday, Nov 20, 2002, at 22:15 US/Pacific, Jon Glass wrote:

> on 11/20/02 4:49 AM, Andrew Johnson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Hold alt when you choose the apple menu.
>
> Does that mean Option or Command? Please use the Apple names, not 
> Windows
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The same keycaps have both "Option" and "Alt" written on them on my G3 
Powerbook keyboard.
The same keycap have both "Option" and "Alt" written on it them on my 
Apple Pro keyboard.

Get over yourself.

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Re: OSX Speed increase with more RAM?

[Kevin Stevens]

On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, John Koen wrote:

> Holy Cow! Are you saying that Apple restored this feature in Jaguar? I
> tried it back in 10.0 (I think) and of course, crashed the computer
> (also a Pismo), so gave it up and figured Apple wouldn't bother fixing
> it, since the current 'books don't have a second battery to swap. I saw
> other people in the thread mention it, but they always seemed to have
> OS 9 installed, too, so I assumed that's what they meant.

It's always (1 1/2 years) worked for me under OS X.  Pismo 500MHz, 512MB.

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Re: airport alternatives for Wallstreet?

[Kevin Stevens]

On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Kent Wieland wrote:

> Has anyone had success using any of the Airport-alternatives, such as
> D-link, etc...?  I'm interested in setting up a wireless network for my Imac
> and Wallstreet from my cable modem.  Ideally, I'd like to get a combination
> access-point and router to connect the Imac directly via ethernet and the
> Wallstreet by PC Card.
>
> Could anyone recommend brands/models for both the access-point/router and PC
> card?  BTW, I'm using OS 9.1 in both computers.

NetGear MR814.  Router, firewall, 4 port switch, wireless bridge.  Mac
support.  Web-based configuration.  Replaceable antenna.  $30 rebate
presently, net cost $30 if you got in on the Amazon deal last weekend, or
$50 if you order today from Buy.com:

http://www.buy.com/retail/clearance/dotd.asp?sku=70009914

I don't think there's anything better than the Airport card for an Apple
laptop, so I recommend that.

KeS


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Re: iBook battery life?

[Kevin Stevens]

On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Dustin wrote:

> 4-4.5 hours for a new, unopened battery BALLPARK FIGURE. It might be
> less, depending on activity on the computer and on the network, and
> amount of RAM. An OS 9/0S X will make a difference too. If you have a
> DVD drive, you'll get about 2.5-3 hours playing DVDs.

Sorry, missed the OP.  Is that for a 12" or 14" screen iBook?  I know the
14" uses a bigger battery, but don't know how the added screen size
affects battery life.

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Re: OSX Speed increase with more RAM?

[Kevin Stevens]

On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, David M. Ensteness wrote:

> > Another consideration is the backup power.  With 512MB, the Pismo has
> > enough backup battery to allow you to swap batteries with the machine
> > asleep.  With 1Gb, it apparently doesn't; you have to shut down or have
> > AC support.  I don't know about 768MB.
>
> This part I don't get. Can you explain? Powering the RAM does not take
> much energy. The RAM amount should not affect this at all.

Apparently it does, however.  Empiricism rears its ugly head.

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Re: Configuring routers

[Kevin Stevens]

On Monday, Nov 18, 2002, at 23:47 US/Pacific, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

> Hi all,
> Has anyone tried to configure a router or switch using the Ethernet
> interface and OSX? I've not tried it, but it should be possible to do 
> so
> using Terminal.
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Mark.

I don't quite understand what you mean.  If the router/switch accepts 
telnet, SSH, or web access over Ethernet, then certainly you can 
configure it from OSX.  If you are talking about console access over a 
serial link, then you need a serial port, and probably a dedicated term 
program like ZTERM would be easier than getting connectivity from 
Terminal.

I've done both regularly:

> [fffinch:~] KeS% ssh orderly@orderly
> orderly@orderly's password:
>
> orderly>en
> Password:
> orderly#show run
> Building configuration...
>
> Current configuration : 4266 bytes
> !
> ! Last configuration change at 19:29:57 UTC Sat Nov 16 2002 by orderly
> ! NVRAM config last updated at 19:30:43 UTC Sat Nov 16 2002 by orderly
> !
> version 12.2
>
> ...
>
> orderly#exit
> Connection to orderly closed.
> [fffinch:~] KeS%

Why would you think this wouldn't work?

KeS


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Re: OSX Speed increase with more RAM?

[Kevin Stevens]

On Monday, Nov 18, 2002, at 23:08 US/Pacific, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

> Hi all,
> I'm running 10.2.1 on a 192MB (128 +64) 400MHz Pismo.
> Currently, it is running fine but I'm wondering if adding more RAM, 
> say to
> bring the total to 768MB or 1024MB, will have any significant impact on
> performance?
> Can anyone who has done this comment? I regard myself as a power user 
> on
> occasions that I use the Pismo and typically have 6 - 7 apps open at 
> any
> given time.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Mark.

Yes, it will make a very significant difference.  I have a 500MHz Pismo 
with 512MB.  Typical run load is Mail, OmniWeb, Terminal, Preview, 
iTunes, Preferences, WorldEdit, and maybe Microsoft RDC.  That's about 
what will run comfortably before it starts paging.  If you're running 
the apps you mention, you are almost certainly paging and will notice a 
very significant improvement when you stop.

Another consideration is the backup power.  With 512MB, the Pismo has 
enough backup battery to allow you to swap batteries with the machine 
asleep.  With 1Gb, it apparently doesn't; you have to shut down or have 
AC support.  I don't know about 768MB.

KeS


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Re: Flakey Mail

[Kevin Stevens]

On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Obi-Wan wrote:

> On 11/14/02 10:02 AM, "Bruce Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew
> into the Cybertrough:
>
> > Roger Shufflebottom wrote:
> >
> >> When I moved over to OS X earlier this year I tried Apple's Mail
> >> program and concluded, as you say, that it was 'Flakey'. I've gone
> >> back to the tried and trusted Eudora - it does the odd crazy thing
> >> but I haven't lost any mail yet.
> >
> > LOL! You're lucky. I won't touch Eudora with a 10 foot bargepole, unless
> > it's to beat it to death with it.
>
> I too won't touch Eudora with a pole.  I switched from Netscape 4.79 to
> Entourage, and I am never looking back.  Entourage is a beautiful
> Mail/address book system.
>
> > Mail.app's gotten some significant improvements over the last few system
> > upgrades. Very nice. It's even gotten me to switch from Netscape/Mozilla
> > mail (which after 7 years
>
> I would switch to Mail.app if they could nail one feature down.  Which is:
>
> When you have a mailbox open and are reading all the messages in it, when
> you open the first, read it, and delete it it doesn't automatically open the
> next message in the thread.  It closes the window and forces you to manually
> double-click and open the next message.  I don't have that kind of time with
> the volume of mail that I receive.  It triples my mail reading time.

It does work in the way you desire if you single-click the message and
view it in the pane, however.  Don't know if that meets your needs, but it
does mine.

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Re: help! with router

[Kevin Stevens]

On Tuesday, Nov 12, 2002, at 21:20 US/Pacific, Laurent Daudelin wrote:
> I'm no network expert but from the message the original poster is
> mentioning, it looks like Earthlink is able to tell that their servers 
> are
> talking to a router, hence the saying "they don't support home 
> networks".
> There must be something to do, but since I never faced that problem, I
> really don't know...

They associate the MAC (hardware) address of the computer with the 
assigned IP.  This can be inadvertent or intentional.  If it's 
inadvertent, the MAC address is just cached; if you leave everything 
disconnected for a few (I'd give it 20) minutes the ARP cache will time 
out and you'll be fine.

If it's intentional, they track it to prevent the end device from being 
switched.

Either way, as a workaround many popular routers offer the ability to 
force, or spoof, a different MAC address.  You can get the MAC address 
of your Pismo as the "Ethernet address:" in System Preferences; Network 
(that's OS X, I don't do OS 9).  Copy that into the appropriate 
location in the router and the ISP won't know the difference.

KeS


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Re: 99% charge

[Kevin Stevens]

On Saturday, Nov 2, 2002, at 12:52 US/Pacific, Peter Graening wrote:

> I'm going to chime on on this, because it's been happening to me too.  
> It's
> mostly a cosmetic flaw, as far as I can tell. It is distracting to see
> "Calculating..." when the battery is at 100% and isn't charging, so it
> should say "Plugged In."  However, Kevin says he's on a Pismo 500.  
> Jim was
> on a 400.  I'm on a 400.  Could there be some teeny-tiny difference 
> between
> the two?  It is a bit disturbing, but not a life-or-death issue...

Mac OS X 10.2.1 (6D52)

Boot ROM 4.1.8f5

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Re: 99% charge

[Kevin Stevens]

On Saturday, Nov 2, 2002, at 09:55 US/Pacific, George Gunderson wrote:
> It *never* says anything other than "Calculating..." when I have the
> menu bar show the time.  That's why I generally have it set to percent.
>   That is correct.  It shows a correct time when the battery is
> discharging, but when I plug it in...calculating.  Oh well, it
> generally doesn't matter for me to know how long it will take to charge
> up, but it is important for me to know how much life it has left when
> I'm going portable.
>
> GmG

Works here, Pismo 500.  Disconnected from power at the start of this 
thread, plugged in a few messages ago (Calculating)... several 
seconds... (0:05)...several minutes... (Plugged In).  Change to show 
percent, shows (100%).

FWIW.

KeS


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Re: OT: Any recommendations for domain registration?

[Kevin Stevens]

On Monday, Oct 21, 2002, at 20:16 US/Pacific, Marty Lindower wrote:

> Re: godaddy's domain registration -
>
>   Any thoughts on their private registrations? They claim that it 
> reduces/eliminates domain-spam. My concern is that if they go broke, 
> what happens to my domain?
>
> Thanks,
> Marty Lindower
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I wouldn't do it.  I've been down that road once before, with Namezero 
holding the domain in their name.  It was pure hell trying to extricate 
it when a corporate merger put the domain name (and thousands of 
others) into namespace limbo.  Not NZs fault, but they didn't have 
anything at stake, either - and it showed.

I use GoDaddy, like them very much, and have found them professional 
and helpful.  Use them and keep the domain in your own (emphatic 
expletive) name.

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Re: Jaguar on Pismo problems?

[Kevin Stevens]

On Saturday, Oct 19, 2002, at 09:42 US/Pacific, Brian A. Miller wrote:
> 1. system freezes just before drawing dock on bottom
>of screen if I do not hold down the SHIFT key to
>force a "safe" boot
>
> 2. internal modem is not recognized.  Only "Built-In
>Ethernet" is listed as a choice in the Network
>System Preferences.  During initial install/config
>choices are presented for cable modem, DSL modem, etc.
>but the choice for phone modem is grayed out.
>
> I can provide more details, but I'll keep this e-mail
> short for now.  Are these known problems?

Not on my Pismo.  Jaguar installation went completely smoothly with no 
aberrations, freezes, etc.  This was a fresh install on a wiped disk.

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Re: Matshita DVD SR-8173-B on PB Pismo?

[Kevin Stevens]

On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Peter Stein wrote:

> Hello all, been lurking this list for a month or so... Thanks for everyone
> sharing experiences and solutions, along with the problems. I have a quick
> question for those who've been down this road before.
>
> On ebay, there are a lot of these Matshita 4x DVD SR-8173-B models for 'buy
> it now' at $49.00 each. It seems like a heck of a deal, especially since
> they are new, 4x, and I don't have to bid.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2061242443
>
> Can I replace my 2x DVD from my Pismo 500 with this model? Doing research, I
> have seen (on the mac and pc) Firmware updates for this model but no
> references to owners with PB Pismos' experience with it. My existing DVD is
> the M7931 /DRN-8080B. Will the Matshita SR-8713-B work in both 9.x and X /
> Jaguar? Thanks for your time and help.
>
> stein

I thought the DRN-8080B  drive that came with the Pismo was already 4x or
8x.

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Re: ARGH! Please help me.... sob sob

[Kevin Stevens]

On Wednesday, Oct 9, 2002, at 01:11 US/Pacific, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> mind set. But after installing it on my laptop, I have officially lost 
> faith
> in Apple's ability to make a functional operating system (its just 
> gone down
> hill from os 8...) This is my last hope- that you guys can help me- 
> and I'm
> willing to bet that you can ( =
> This is what I am working on:
> A 333 bronze powerbook,
> 4.5gig hd
> 320mb ram
> 24x CD
> no additional cards, no airport
>
> So then came the next part- jag.
> I inserted CD 1, checked for firmware updates, of which there were 
> none, and
> proceeded to install. Wow, what a cool start up! I love the apple and
> spinning line design! truly simple and elegant. Well, mid install, it 
> froze
> and I got to see the start up again as i went to install a second 
> time. woo
> hoo! This time it worked like a charm, getting through both CDs and to 
> the
> desktop. Very cool, I have to admit that it IS much more responsive. I
> clicked on sherlock to see what apple did that was new in 3, and it 
> said it
> needed an internet connection. I was a bit confused, so I hit apple-f 
> and was
> rewarded by a system 7.6-esque find function- I was very happy to see 
> that,
> as I wasn't really crazy about sherlock to begin with. I went back to
> sherlock- and the computer froze. I restarted, then went into system 
> control
> panels to change my clock style- and it froze. I restarted, and this 
> time it
> lasted more than 30 seconds, nearly 4 minutes. That ended once I 
> clicked on
> the apple menu. Froze again.

I would suggest doing the Jaguar installation directly rather than 
upgrading from a previous version, but I don't believe that's your 
problem.

> I dont get it. What am I missing? is there some sort of 'dont freeze
> randomly' option I have to find in the control panel? I think there 
> should
> be. Also important to note, I formatted the hd before starting this 
> whole X
> fiasco, even taking the time to zero all data. Aside from my complaint 
> that
> it should NOT take an assembly language programer's level of computer
> expertise to get an operating system on a clean computer, it obviously 
> does
> and I sadly lack that expertise. I can write "hello world."

I think you have hardware problems, and am guessing ram.  Those lines 
of text you described were indeed the result of a kernel panic, which 
is almost always hardware or a very low-level driver of some kind.  
That's not normal, the freezes aren't normal, having to repeat the 
installation isn't normal.  Pulling/swapping ram would be my next step. 
  I know, I know, it works under 9.  Ram problems can be mysterious, 
Novell Netware used to be the worst.  You could take a box that had 
been running Windows or Unix for months, install Netware, and it would 
bomb every hour until you replaced the ram with some that it liked.  
What people say about one OS "stressing" the ram harder than another is 
a horrendous oversimplification, but certainly memory problems can 
surface under one OS but not another.  You've never had *any* problems 
with this machine before?

KeS


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Re: OT: Any recommendations for domain registration?

[Kevin Stevens]

On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, dog b wrote:

> I've got about 2 dozen domains registered with Go
> Daddy and have been happpy with them.
>
> I think it's 7.95/yr (2 year minimum) and cheaper if
> you go 5 or 10 years.  I'm not sure if there's a
> transfer fee or not...
>
> The reg fee includes free domain parking, and also
> free URL forwarding, so you could set up a free page
> (geocities) and have your your registered URL point to
> the free site.
>
> http://www.godaddy.com
>
> HTH
> DB

I second the GoDaddy satisfaction, and will add that I would literally
stop using the Internet entirely before dealing with Verisign again under
any circumstances.  My blood pressure went up 20 points just typing the
company name.

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Re: dvd play back

[Kevin Stevens]

On Wednesday, Sep 25, 2002, at 09:47 US/Pacific, Anthony Vo wrote:

> Hi listers,
> I've just acquired the Pismo,400mgz,320mb ram,6gbHD, OS X & 9.1 and 
> would like to play back the monster , inc dvd.  When I double click 
> the dvd icon (os X environment), it opens a folder with several files 
> in it. I was trying to click on every single file with no result (can 
> not see any pict., just text file). Do I need to upgrade to X.1 or 
> boot from 9.1 to watch movie? any tip, advise recommendation will be 
> appreciated.
> Anthony

Just reading this, don't know if your problem is already solved.

If you installed OS X without the DVD drive in the expansion bay, it 
will not install the DVD Player.  I don't know how to fix that short of 
reinstalling.  So definitely check the Applications folder and make 
sure the application is there.

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Re: Hot Pismo

[Kevin Stevens]

On Saturday, Sep 21, 2002, at 22:07 US/Pacific, Obi-Wan wrote:

> Are you shutting it down or sleeping it???

I couldn't tell from the OP's description, either; but my Pismo doesn't 
stay hot even while sleeping, so it seems that he does have something 
else going on.

The only time I've experienced that is once when I closed the top to 
put the computer to sleep, and it *didn't* go to sleep; overheating 
severely several hours later (it was packed in a laptop case).  I 
wonder if his machine is doing the same thing.

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Re: Does this sound OK?

[Kevin Stevens]

On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, ezelinsky wrote:

> Does a 30 GB Expansion Bay Hard Drive for 1999 & 2000 PowerBook G3,
> refurbished for $119 sound like a good idea?

(shrug)  Depends on what it's worth to you; can't say.  I paid $50 for a
10GB drive a couple of months ago, FWIW.

> That includes the Pismo, right?

Yes, the official name for a Pismo is a 2000 PowerBook G3 (FireWire).

> Do you just insert it in the expansion port and start using it or does it
> need to be activated in some way?

Plug and go.  It can be booted from as well, I installed 9.2 on one of
mine before removing the 9.2 partition permanently from my Pismo.

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Re: OS X on x86...

[Kevin Stevens]

On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Walter Basil wrote:

> "As Apple Computer Inc. draws up its game plan for the CPUs that will power
> its future generations of Mac hardware, the company is holding an ace in the
> hole: a feature-complete version of Mac OS X running atop the x86
> architecture."
>
> Comments?

It doesn't seem germane to G-books.  Since you asked.

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Re: 10.2 / Pismo battery life

[Kevin Stevens]

On Wednesday, Sep 4, 2002, at 16:58 US/Pacific, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> How new is your battery? That's damn good runtime for the amount of 
> RAM as
> well as Airport.

I have three batteries, they all came with the Pismo which I bought 
when it was four months old in March 2001.  So, they're coming up on 
two years old.  I usually run the Pismo from AC with two batteries in 
it; it is never turned off but slept instead, and I try to rotate the 
batteries when I think about it.

I do notice battery life reduced significantly (2 hours or a bit less) 
when I play DVDs with a single battery, but I would expect that 
spinning the drive constantly, and it always gets me through the movie. 
  ;)

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Re: Pismo?

[Kevin Stevens]

On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Luca Rescigno wrote:

> The Pismo is a great laptop. I don't own one, but I do have its
> grand-daddy, the Wallstreet (available in 233-300 MHz, instead of the
> Pismo's 400-500 MHz). Judging by how good the Wallstreet still is, I'd
> imagine a Pismo would be wonderful. Here's why it's so great:
> 1. Beautiful 14" screen (same size and resolution as 14" iBook screen,
> but brighter and the screen size seems to fit the laptop well)
> 2. Fairly light weight. It's about 6 pounds, which is two pounds lighter
> than the Wallstreet and only half a pound heavier than the Titanium.
> 3. Expansion bays. It came with a DVD-ROM drive, but you can put a
> floppy drive, zip drive, hard drive, extra battery, CD burner, or many
> other devices in the expansion bays. The bays are hot-swappable, so
> there's no problem with burning a CD and then watching a DVD, just swap
> the drive.
> 4. Appearance and design. The Pismo is really stylish. It's black with
> that rubberized finish in the middle. They keyboard is really nice and
> feels just right for a laptop. The trackpad is far better than either of
> the trackpads on the new Apple laptops, which many find too big.
> The Pismo is also the only Apple laptop with two FireWire ports on it.
> The iBooks and the Titanium both have just one. It also has an audio-in
> jack, which isn't on any new Macs except the eMac.
> What's great about it is that it's so expandable and versatile, and it's
> really what the 14" iBook should have been. If I could choose, I'd take
> a mint condition 500 MHz Pismo over a 600 MHz 14" iBook. You can upgrade
> the processor to a G4/500, so if you plan on doing that, you may as well
> spend less and get the 400 MHz version to start out. It'll still be
> plenty fast.
> If you're reading, you'll appreciate the larger, clearer resolution of
> the 14" screen. The 12" screen on the iBook is either too low resolution
> (800x600, for the old colored iBooks) or too small (1024x768 on the new
> iBooks). A lot of people like the new iBook's 12" screen, but I find it
> too small. For writing, the same thing applies, but you also have to
> take into account how good the Pismo's keyboard is and that the trackpad
> is smaller so you're less likely to bump it accidentally when typing.
> This happens a lot on iBooks and Titaniums because their trackpads are
> so big. For surfing, same thing as reading, and the Pismo is fully
> compatible with AirPort (and it has much better range than the
> Titanium). For music, you'll have to get different speakers. The built
> in ones are crap. The Titanium has better speakers but they're still a
> bit tinny, and they can't get very loud. Get some nice headphones and/or
> some external speakers and you'll be happy.
>
> The other good advantage to the Pismo is that you can replace the hard
> drive by removing only a few screws, while the iBook requires
> disassembling almost the entire computer and rebuilding it around the
> new hard drive. The Pismo has two expandable RAM slots, while the iBook
> only has one plus a built in 128 MB (not enough).
>
> Hope this helps

I have a Pismo, and was going to post a message, but Luca touched on all
my high points.  The only thing I can add is that while the Pismo does top
out at 500MHz, it does have the 100MHz bus and 1MB cache.  I find it
totally adequate speed-wise, and 512MB is a good compromise between
performance and battery life.  Also don't forget the S-video out for TV
display.

I have a friend who bought a new 800MHz Titanium based on my experience
with the Pismo.  It's a really nice machine, and that display is killer,
but I decided after using it for a weekend that I preferred to keep my
Pismo.  The swappable bays (two batteries, DVD, CD/RW, or one of two 10Gb
expansion slot drives), and better wireless range convinced me.

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Re: 10.2 / Pismo battery life

[Kevin Stevens]

On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, John Haumann wrote:

>
> On Wednesday, September 4, 2002, at 09:30 AM, Jim Freeman wrote:
>
> > My battery life has gone to almost nothing with 10.2. I was down to
> > maybe half an hour before that. Now it won't even hold a charge when
> > it's sleeping.
> >
>
> Caffeine, that's the answer!
>
> It's curious that such a big issue still doesn't seem to affect all
> Pismos.  Personally, I've not noticed any difference between battery
> life with 10.1.5 before, and 10.2 now.  That's not to say that I'm
> getting "great" battery life, but I seem to get the same 2-1/2 to 3+
> hours that I've always had in the past 6 to 9 months.
>
> John at Wood-n-Shavings, Inc.
> San Antonio, Texas

I have exactly the same results with my Pismo, usually 3 - 3.5 hours but
occasionally shorter.  That's with 512MB and constant Airport usage,
screen brightness either at full or at 3 bars less, depending on whether
I'm inside or outside
.
Haven't noticed a difference with 10.2, but it's been on AC most of the
time since them, and as it wasn't an issue with me before, I wasn't really
paying attention.  FWIW, when I have mine on battery, I'm outside actively
working on it, so any idling settings probably aren't coming into play.

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Re: VST expansion bay hard drives

[Kevin Stevens]

On Monday, Aug 26, 2002, at 19:51 US/Pacific, Joel Furtek wrote:

> Has anyone had any experience with the VST expansion bay hard drives
> for the Lombard/Pismo?  I know Firewire has rendered them a bit moot
> but I can think of times when a built-in drive would be handier, and
> I've seen some pretty smart deals as low as $3/GB!

I have a couple of 10GB ones.  I formatted one last week and installed 
OS9.2 on it as a precursor to repartitioning the internal drive for OS 
X alone.  Works well, is seen by the selective boot option, etc.

> I checked their site but couldn't find much in the way of
> information.  In particular, I'm wondering if anyone has any
> experience with the speed relative to say, a typical 4200rpm FW 2.5"
> drive or bigger internal drive;

It seems a bit slower in doing large file copies, but not painfully so.

>  also, whether a standard IDE drive
> would work in the enclosure (i.e., if I came upon a cheap 3MB exp.
> bay drive, could I open it up and stuff a bigger one in there?).

I believe some people have done this, don't know why it wouldn't work.

> I like the idea of, say, a back-up drive for that bay, or a separate
> HD for my music until I can afford the iPod, etc.

That's what mine is for, an emergency 9.2 boot if needed.  Only issues 
are if you need CDROM access at the same time.

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Re: Possible sublist for Airport WiFi discussions

[Kevin Stevens]

On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Dwight Hines wrote:

> Do you think there are enough Mac folks who use airport to start a list just
> for that?
>
> Earthlink is bonding with boingo, or has bonded, but as of yet they do not
> allow Macs into the pool.  They said they will be ready for Macs by
> December.
>
> I think we need a group of unshaven, wooly minded, barefooted Mac Activists
> who are Wireless.
>
> Just to keep the dark side a little honest.

Much as many Apple Activists enjoy the image of a Wintel death star, I
think you'll find that the Wi-Fi guys could care less.  The equipment is
standards based and it isn't really relevant whether you're using a Mac,
Wintel, or *nix box.  (With the exception of some minor specifics like VPN
clients and encryption key exchange support.)  Why not just join one of
the many active Wi-Fi groups?  Why does everything have to be
Mac-cloistered?

KeS


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Re: Discount Airport Station?

[Kevin Stevens]

On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Mike Amato wrote:

> Airport is a wireless router. The computers would have to be equipped with
> wireless cards.
> --
> Mike Amato

Well, technically, it's both.  It has a wired LAN connection that could be
switched/hubbed out to support multiple hardwired machines.

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Re: LCD problems on Pismo

[Kevin Stevens]

On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 05:02 , Tivo wrote:

>>> ned some help folks,
>>>
>>> I have been getting this lovely rose tint on my PB lately - comes on
>>> with a slight roseish tint that fades quite quickly but there none the
>>> less.  ONLY affects the LCD - does not transfer to a VGA monitor -
>>>
>>> I remember reading something somewhere that there were panasonic or
>>> toshiba LCDS that fit the pismos perfectly but at a fraction of the 
>>> cost
>>> of an apple replacement.
>>
>> IIRC correctly it was Toshiba.
>
>  Could you more specific about where such screens are acquired and who
> installs them?
>
> Didn't someone also mention something about a Panasonic also once 
> before?
>
> I have the same issue with my Pismo, and am just hanging in there, 
> hoping
> that it doesn't fail until prices drop or some other "miracle" occurs; 
> sigh.


http://www.go2mac.com/story.lasso?newsID=8920

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Re: Apologies for cross posting but need help on surreptitious not subversive downloading

[Kevin Stevens]

On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 07:15 , Dwight Hines wrote:

>
>
> Situation:  I've got a fine Pismo G3 but a terribly slow phone 
> connection.
> I need to download some large pgms and docs (Mozilla, etc,) and library 
> only
> lets us use 1.4 meg floppies.
>
> So, has anyone been able to slip into the computer sections of their 
> library
> and plug a zip drive into one of the almost always IBM type machines and
> download to the zip and then sneak out again?
>
> I need to know what plugs have to mate and if I need an entirely new zip
> drive.  Of course, I would not consider this if someone would sell me a
> working Orinoco Wavelan card for 25$ or less.  Or an Airport card for 
> 25$ or
> less.
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated and forgive me for cross posting 
> this
> on different lists.
>
> dh
>
> P.S.  I've heard the 5 gig ipods are best to use for this type of
> actitivity.

USB keychain drive.  You need one anyway, mine is the most useful Xmas 
present I got last year.  Common sizes are 64MB and 128MB, ~$50 or $100 
respectively.  Work in anything that understands the USB mass storage 
spec - MacOS, Windows 98SE and above, BSD, Linux, Solaris.  No driver 
installation needed as for zip drives.  Transfer rate ~1MB/sec.

KeS


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Re: Pismo DVD to Sony TV

[Kevin Stevens]

On Tuesday, July 30, 2002, at 03:49 , Paige H. Adams wrote:

> On 7/30/02 5:57 PM, "Kevin Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 30, 2002, at 01:16 , Glenn Wiggins wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Which a/v cables do I need to connect my Pismo and it's DVD player to
>>> my new
>>> Sony TV?
>>>
>>> The TV has S-Video connectors.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> --Glenn
>>
>> You need the little S-Video adapter cable that came with the Pismo, and
>> a mini-jack-to-whatever-audio-connector-you-need cable (probably
>> dual-RCA).
>
> Nah, you don't need the adapter cable -- you can do better than that. 
> Just
> run down to Radio Shack and get yourself an S-Video cable so you can 
> pump it
> in to your TV directly. The adapter is for those poor souls (like 
> myself)
> that don't have S-Video inputs on the TV.
>
> -pha

That's what I get for trying to answer questions from work.  ;)  Thanks, 
I'll go off in the corner now.

KeS


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Re: Pismo DVD to Sony TV

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On Tuesday, July 30, 2002, at 01:16 , Glenn Wiggins wrote:

>
> Which a/v cables do I need to connect my Pismo and it's DVD player to 
> my new
> Sony TV?
>
> The TV has S-Video connectors.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --Glenn

You need the little S-Video adapter cable that came with the Pismo, and 
a mini-jack-to-whatever-audio-connector-you-need cable (probably 
dual-RCA).

KeS


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Comments per ADC newsletter

[Kevin Stevens]

I currently own a G3 Firewire, and have access to a friend's G4/667 as 
well.

Hardware:

!!!Dual-button trackpad!!!

Apple still clings to this notion that single buttons are easier to use, 
despite overwhelming user feedback to the contrary.  Explain to me again 
how holding down a key AND clicking a mouse button, or even worse 
clicking and holding for a period of time, are easier, more intuitive, 
or more productive?!  Sometimes it's ok to just admit you were wrong, 
guys.

I looked at G4s last month and this was the ultimate decision point on 
my choice not to buy a new one.  PC owners are ALL used to using 
two-button trackpads and mice.  Whether in VPC or the RDC client (which 
works REALLY GREAT, BTW!), they will expect it to be there.

Mac OS (X, of course!):

Sleeptime/Waketime

This is the feature that I find most compelling in using my Pismo vs my 
PC laptop at work.  The Pismo goes to sleep instantly.  It wakes up and 
is ready to work as soon as I start typing.  It burns a ridiculously 
small amount of power while sleeping.  I *never* power down this laptop 
any more.

In contrast, my PC/Windows laptop takes almost half a minute to sleep or 
wake, and burns so much battery life while sleeping that it's not 
feasible to sleep it, say, over a weekend.

This is a BIG DEAL to PC users.  It is the thing that gets the single 
most oohs and ahs when I take the Pismo to work.  Continue to stress it 
in development AND in advertisement.  Great TV ad op, show the shill 
popping open the PB, sending an email, and sleeping it again while the 
PC is still waking up!

KeS


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Apple requests feedback on portables.

[Kevin Stevens]

 From today's ADC newsletter:

[3]  Portables Team Requests Feedback

Apple's Portables development team would like to know
how they're doing with the PowerBook and iBook. From your
perspective as users and developers, please comment on current
PowerBook and/or iBook product features and functionalities that
are compelling to PC users looking to switch. Please categorize
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Re: airport question

[Kevin Stevens]

--- Kevin Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Not true.  The only requirement for an Airport
*STATION* is that you have
an Airport *CARD* equipped Mac to configure it with.
  The only requirement
for an Airport *CARD* is that the Mac have an
Airport slot to put it in.

On Friday, July 26, 2002, at 07:04 , Jeff Lentz wrote:

> I'm not certain that this is even technically correct.
>  When I got my wife's Airport-equipped iBook and a
> Base Station, I had trouble getting the iBook to see
> the Station wirelessly, so I configured it via the
> ethernet connection on my non-Airport PowerBook and it
> works just fine now.  I can't imagine why you'd want a
> Base without something with a card (except to act as
> an expensive router) but in my experience it's quite
> doable.
>
> - Jeff Lentz

Ok, my bad.  I was going by Apple's page on the Airport base station.  
To answer your question, probably the most common scenario would be that 
the base station was being redeployed in an all-PC environment.  For 
that matter, I don't know if you could use a non-Airport PCMCIA 802.11b 
card in a Powerbook to run the Airport config, either.

KeS


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Re: airport question

[Kevin Stevens]

On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I was reading the specs on an Airport station and think it was telling
> me that a G4 was required. True? Can I not use Airport on my G3 Lombard?
>
> Willi

Not true.  The only requirement for an Airport *STATION* is that you have
an Airport *CARD* equipped Mac to configure it with.  The only requirement
for an Airport *CARD* is that the Mac have an Airport slot to put it in.

Airport station clients can be Macs, PCs, or presumably any 802.11b
device.

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Re: UW students forced to purchase a PC

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On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, Thomas Ethen wrote:

> UW Stout requires every student not in the Arts to purchase an unknown brand
> and model (top of the line is all they would say) of PC laptop (as is
> Windows) and if you purchase your own, you will have two laptops. This is to
> make sure that all students have the same (coloring outside the line is bad)
> laptop and software installed from Stout. How Orwelian is that!
>
> Tom

Bear in mind it was also mentioned that Arts students were *required* to
buy a Mac rather than a Windows laptop.  Consistency requires that to be
equally offensive.

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Re: OS 10.2 and beyond...

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On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Nick wrote:

> I have a 500 MHz Powerbook G3 (a.k.a.Pismo or 2000 edition or Firewire), 256
> Meg RAM, and have hesitated to switch to OS X.  Any comments or personal
> experience would be appreciated from people who made the switch.  I heard
> that under OS X I would not be able to play DVD movies on my Powerbook, is
> that true?

No.  I have the same Powerbook, DVDs play very well on it.

I think that you would benefit from 512MB of RAM.  I say this because,
adding up the reserved memory in use when I have a number of things going,
I do exceed 256MB, and you don't want to be swapping to virtual memory.

I've never seen swapping with 512MB (I don't however run Photoshop or
other large graphics/modeling apps); and I've heard of battery module
swapping and battery uptime issues with a full 1GB of memory.

If you haven't invested in OS X now, I certainly suggest waiting for 10.2
before doing so; not much point in going to 10.1.5 now.

I use this Pismo *in preference to* a G4 Powerbook, due to the convenience
of swappable modules (10GB drives and dual batteries, mostly).  While I'm
not saying it's as fast as a G4 800MHz, that should give you an idea of
how satisfied I am with OS X performance on a Pismo (I never run 9.2 or
Classic, can't report on that).

KeS


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Re: Pismo doesn't see FireWire QPS Que!

[Kevin Stevens]

There's a brand new (yesterday) Update that addresses CDRW drive
compatibility improvements; is it possible that one machine had it and the
other didn't?

KeS

On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Sam Donaldson wrote:

> Hi all, after a long break I'm back with the same problem (sort of).
>
> Yesterday my Que! 8x4x32x cdrw rose from its 6month slumber and surprised me
> by successfully burning CDs in both iTunes and Toast 5.1 (OS9.1, 192Mb, 20gb
> no other FW devices).  This morning the drive didn't even appear in the ASP.
>
> It DOES, however, work just fine with a friends TiBook (same cables and all
> that) but no response from the Pismo...
>
> Is that the FW ports gone?  Multiple plug permutations and re-plugging-in
> and things have no effect, nor does the "shut-down/start-up" fix-all
> solution from Apple.  Is there a way to test FW ports without another FW
> device (I've not got access to any).
>
> As ever, thoughts, advice, similar problems or even complete solutions are
> appreciated,
> Thanks!
> Sam
>
>
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Re: taking apart a Lombard

[Kevin Stevens]

On Monday, July 22, 2002, at 05:41 , Obi-Wan wrote:

>
>
> Kevin Stevens wrote
>
>>
>> Because that's not how copyright works.  It doesn't deal with 
>> possession,
>> it deals with duplication.  If it's an original CD, copyright doesn't
>> pertain.  And breaking Apple's service agreement isn't a crime, in and 
>> of
>> itself.  Civil penalties could apply in extreme cases.
>
> Oh. I see where you are coming from.  Since someone *else* stole it and 
> illegally
> distributed it, it's OK for you to possess it and use it to your 
> advantage?
> Kinda like stolen property, but not illegal?  Not at all unethical or 
> immoral
> either I suppose.

First, you're changing your ground.  I was simply objecting to your 
description as "completely illegal".  I didn't say anything about 
immoral, unethical, nor fattening.  And I won't - that's a different 
conversation, that I'm not interested in.

Second, you're still confused.  The original CD, or chunk of tree, or 
whatever the distribution media is, doesn't violate copyright, by 
definition.  It's an original, not a copy.  Copyright doesn't enter into 
it.  Whether it was stolen depends on where/how they obtained the 
media - I doubt they broke into Apple's warehouse to get it.  Whether it 
was illegally distributed depends on what license agreement *they* 
agreed to with Apple, and two civil lawyer's interpretation thereof.  
Falls firmly into the category of "not my problem", especially since I'm 
not the one with the service manual.

KeS


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Re: taking apart a Lombard

[Kevin Stevens]

On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Obi-Wan wrote:

>
>
> Kevin Stevens wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, makmac wrote:
> >
> > > Kyle Hansen on 7/18/02 9:18 PM wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yeah.  You are using the wrong (and I might mention completely illegal
> > > > for you to posses unless you are an Apple Certified tech) service
> > > > manual.
> >
> > Nonesense.  It may be against Apple's policy.  That in no way makes it
> > illegal.
>
> If you'd like I can quote the service agreement that loads when you open a
> service manual?  It is a violation of federal copyright law to possess the
> service manual if you are not an authorized service provider.  How is that
> not illegal?

Because that's not how copyright works.  It doesn't deal with possession,
it deals with duplication.  If it's an original CD, copyright doesn't
pertain.  And breaking Apple's service agreement isn't a crime, in and of
itself.  Civil penalties could apply in extreme cases.

KeS


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Re: Applecare (was iBook vs. PowerBook)

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On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, R. Hannes Niedner wrote:

> Are all those situations really going to be resolved for free with Apple
> care (eg. Getting a new battery just because you get only 45mins out instead
> of close to 3hours or a new screen if it isn't as bright anymore) ?  That
> would be really cool, but just recently I was told that Apple care does not
> replace your TiBook screen if you break it (which is really easely
> accomplished). Just curious.
>
> hannes

About the distinction between "defective" and "dropped"?

KeS


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Re: taking apart a Lombard

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On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Kevin Stevens wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, makmac wrote:
>
> > Kyle Hansen on 7/18/02 9:18 PM wrote:
> > >
> > > Yeah.  You are using the wrong (and I might mention completely illegal
> > > for you to posses unless you are an Apple Certified tech) service
> > > manual.
>
> Nonesense.  It may be against Apple's policy.  That in no way makes it
> illegal.
>
> KeS

Nonesense?!  Geez, I need to go home...

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Re: taking apart a Lombard

[Kevin Stevens]

On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, makmac wrote:

> Kyle Hansen on 7/18/02 9:18 PM wrote:
> >
> > Yeah.  You are using the wrong (and I might mention completely illegal
> > for you to posses unless you are an Apple Certified tech) service
> > manual.

Nonesense.  It may be against Apple's policy.  That in no way makes it
illegal.

KeS


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Re: Microsoft Entourage Handheld Synchronization

[Kevin Stevens]

On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, at 09:49 , Walter R Basil wrote:
>> Apple: "Well, it might have something to do with the fact that it costs
>> $499"
>>
>> MS: "Tastes great!"
>>
>> Apple: "less filling!"
>
> I guess I break all the rules then... :)
>
> Not to argue with you, but to make observations.
>
> 1. They may have only sold 300,000 copies, but I would bet my next 
> paycheck
> that that there are at least three times that amount being used from 
> piracy,
> due in part to their high price. Maybe It's different in everyone else's
> circle of friends, but of all the people I know that use computers (and
> there are dozens) - and I mean really know - all have Office (for either
> Windows or Mac) and the latest version of Office I might add, and none 
> of
> them have paid for it. They either steal it from work or "borrow" it 
> from a
> friend. I am the only one that I know of (personally) that buys my 
> software.

I wish to hell Microsoft would sell me a sidegrade option for my Office 
2000 suite for Windows to get to Office.X.  I've been trying to convert 
it since I bought OS X 10.0.

KeS


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Re: "virii" (OT)

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On Sunday, July 7, 2002, at 10:28 , Jim wrote:

> I've seen the term "virii" used now and then on these lists, and as a
> professional virologist (of the biological variety), I feel I must
> speak up.  The plural of "virus" is "viruses".  Nowhere do we use the
> term "virii".  Virology is rather at the forefront of modern
> biological nomenclature, where we prefer to use meaningful,
> accessable terminology, and eschew the latin binomial system as
> inappropriate to our purposes (while not disputing its usefulness in
> other biological kingdoms).  As a result, we do not try to latinize
> the nomenclature, preferring to keep it simple.  The "H" in "HIV"
> stands for "Human", not "Homo sapiens" Immunodeficiency Virus.
>
> I recognize that computer engineers and programmers are merely using
> the term "virus" as a metaphor for these troublesome programs, and
> are free to name them what they will.  But since I must believe that
> engineers and programmers would rather employ accurate metaphor over
> pretentious satire in their vernacular, I humbly suggest that the
> term "virii" be dropped.

No, we simply don't share your fractionalist attitude towards the rest 
of the biologist community.

KeS


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Re: Server as Firewall

[Kevin Stevens]

On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Remy Davison wrote:

> >John Draper (the inventor) didn't invent phone phreaking
> >> and system breakins
> He waa Cap'n Crunch, right? (IIRC). That guy was/is hilarious. His antics
> cracked me up. Even when he got out of jail, he wanted Woz to turn the
> Apple II into the ultimate phone phreaking machine. (he needed to get a
> life).

Totally misguided, the Commodore 64 was the ultimate phone phreaking
machine!  (Gotta have that SID chip in there.)

KeS


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