Airport Question (again)

2006-02-08 Thread Amanda Ward

Hi Y'all...

I have an Airport problem.

Recently, I put an original Airport card in my iBook (G3/500 - Dual  
USB). Worked fine under Panther and after upgrading to Tiger, it  
still performed flawlessly. This afternoon, I reset the Power manager  
in an attempt to squeeze a bit more life out of an old battery. That  
failed and when I rebooted the computer, I had no internet connection.
According to MacStumbler, I have a good connection to the wireless  
router (and a few others) but any attempt to access a web page fails  
with the message I'm not connected to the internet.


I'm pretty lost here. Any suggestions on where to start?

Thanks,

Amanda

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Re: Airport Question

2005-12-25 Thread Tim Collier
The truly amazing thing is the actual stupidity you come across in  
this PC dominated world when it comes to Mac Networking.  Back when I  
used PC's I used a wired network and I was really new to networking  
back then.  I even took a course on it at a local community college.   
With that under my belt and a couple of texts to refer to, I went at  
it.  I bought my routers and all of my cat 5 cables and then the PC's  
still wouldn't cooperate.  One would see some but  others wouldn't  
see others.  It took me weeks to finally get it to where I finally  
have everybody able to share files and printers.  When I was able to  
afford a Windows NT server, that helped quite a bit.
Then I made the switch in 2001 and started going over to wireless,  
obvious choice was wireless and networking has never been so easy.   
Using only Apple hardware probably has made it a lot easier on me  
than using 2nd and 3rd party equipment.  Everything works right out  
of the box and works with little to no configuration.  As far as  
wireless networking, Apple the top of the line.  I would not consider  
using anything else.


Tim
On Dec 24, 2005, at 8:44 PM, Concetta Z wrote:

Reminds me of when I went to Staples, and asked a salesperson about  
setting up a wireless network between a PC and a Mac. They didn't  
know, so they called over a higher up, who told me it could not  
be done.
I got a Linksys WRT54G (not from Staples), installed an Airport  
extreme card, called Linksys tech support and very soon after,  
Voilà, the impossible was actually quite easy, even for a tech- 
impaired person like me.

Concetta


On Dec 23, 2005, at 7:59 AM, Tim Collier wrote:


I called customer support and got a very unhelpful person at the
other end who told me that you shouldn't be using this with a Mac
in the first place.


So they really don't want Mac users buying their product.



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Re: Airport Question

2005-12-24 Thread Concetta Z
Reminds me of when I went to Staples, and asked a salesperson about 
setting up a wireless network between a PC and a Mac. They didn't know, 
so they called over a higher up, who told me it could not be done.
I got a Linksys WRT54G (not from Staples), installed an Airport extreme 
card, called Linksys tech support and very soon after, Voilà, the 
impossible was actually quite easy, even for a tech-impaired person 
like me.

Concetta


On Dec 23, 2005, at 7:59 AM, Tim Collier wrote:


I called customer support and got a very unhelpful person at the
other end who told me that you shouldn't be using this with a Mac
in the first place.


So they really don't want Mac users buying their product.



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Re: Airport Question

2005-12-23 Thread John Siple


On Dec 22, 2005, at 10:49 PM, Clem Bacani wrote:

Generally routers works fine for both PC and Mac but manufacturers  
had the habit of putting in their box that product works ok with  
Windows -- XP etc and no mention that it works ok with Mac.   
Perhaps they are not targeting Mac users as their clients.


Clem



I suspect they are just catering to the rubes that need a little  
picture to assure them that the product works with what they are  
running. I've yet to see a little hardware box with a Linux character  
on it but networking hardware would be perfectly happy there. So I  
think it could actually be a point of personal pride that the routers  
I buy don't need to be sold to folks who need pictures of their OS to  
prove compatibility.


At any rate the works with tags on hardware are little more than  
stupidity honey. I've even seen  mice and keyboards with little  
Windows flags on them that care  not a jot what OS they're talking  
to. But there are surely some manufacturers who go  the extra  
distance to invite Mac users to the table. Buffalo does that, as does  
LaCie.


And I think I've seen more fried routers than any other type of  
hardware except perhaps  hard drives or laptop screens. Routers get  
hot for some reason. They tend to break.


John

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Re: Airport Question

2005-12-23 Thread Caleb Cupples
I do agree with you, there. I know that I use Linux and OS X for most 
of what I do, but it's really a pain to have to jump through hoops to 
configure a router. Now, I agree with your condescending outlook on 
such things, but there are some things that I'd like to be able to see 
a picture of my OS on the box, so I know it works. I have an old HP 
Scanjet that refuses to work under any Mac OS. Of course, I knew that, 
simply because it's my grandpa's old scanner that he replaced when it 
wouldn't work on his new mini. Mice and keyboards are totally different 
from a wireless card or a router, as far as I'm concerned. Personally, 
I tend to look at the table of compatibility on the box, as it's 
usually more accurate than the pictures... For the record, I do have a 
Logitech wireless keyboard and mouse with the ugly little Windows logo 
on the keyboard where the option key should be...


Caleb

P.S. Don't take this seriously and please don't take offense, but you 
might like to try putting the router in the freezer. That'll cool it 
down... :)


CSC
On Friday, Dec 23, 2005, at 02:02 America/Chicago, John Siple wrote:



On Dec 22, 2005, at 10:49 PM, Clem Bacani wrote:

Generally routers works fine for both PC and Mac but manufacturers 
had the habit of putting in their box that product works ok with 
Windows -- XP etc and no mention that it works ok with Mac.  Perhaps 
they are not targeting Mac users as their clients.


Clem



I suspect they are just catering to the rubes that need a little 
picture to assure them that the product works with what they are 
running. I've yet to see a little hardware box with a Linux character 
on it but networking hardware would be perfectly happy there. So I 
think it could actually be a point of personal pride that the routers 
I buy don't need to be sold to folks who need pictures of their OS to 
prove compatibility.


At any rate the works with tags on hardware are little more than 
stupidity honey. I've even seen  mice and keyboards with little 
Windows flags on them that care  not a jot what OS they're talking to. 
But there are surely some manufacturers who go  the extra distance to 
invite Mac users to the table. Buffalo does that, as does LaCie.


And I think I've seen more fried routers than any other type of 
hardware except perhaps  hard drives or laptop screens. Routers get 
hot for some reason. They tend to break.


John



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Re: Airport Question

2005-12-23 Thread Tim Collier
Plain simple truth of the matter is that Apple designed their Airport  
base stations and the Airport Express to work with your Mac.  The  
Airport Setup software is designed to set it up in just a few simple  
steps that rarely even require referring to the enclosed  
documentation.  Whether you use an original Airport Card or an  
Airport Extreme or for that matter a third party card, setup is a  
truly simple thing to do.  I do not have any experience with Linksys  
or D-Link but I did make the mistake of buying a Netgear as my first  
attempt at wireless networking.
I had all of my Macs equipped with Airport Extreme cards and one with  
an original card.  I took the Netgear wireless router out of the box  
and read through the manual and everything seemed straight forward.   
I got the first Mac connected but that's as far as I got.  None of  
the others would connect.  Of course the Netgear instructions assumed  
that I had PC's but it should still work the same as for the first  
Macbut no.
I called customer support and got a very unhelpful person at the  
other end who told me that you shouldn't be using this with a Mac in  
the first place.  After several attempts and failures, I said thank  
you and hung up.  I packed everything up and returned the router to  
CompUSA where I bought it.  I went over and got the Airport base  
station that I should have gotten, brought it home and set it up  
myself.  All done in about 15 minutes without having to call anybody.
I've extended the reach of my signal (didn't really have to, but it  
made me feel better) by buying 2 Airport Express and distributing  
them around the other end of the house.  Adding them to the network  
was also simple and I didn't need to call any tech support line.
And, my network isn't a straight-forward Mac setup either, I'll  
describe below (sorry for the length of this post, but I want to make  
my point):
Cable modem to Airport Basestation Konica-Minolta Laser Network  
Printer connected to base station
	Mac #1	G5 Dual 2 gig with Airport Extreme Card--Location Office with  
the basestation
	Mac #2	G4 Dual 1 gig with Sonnet Aria Extreme PCI card (shows up as  
an Airport card)--Location Office with the basestation
	Mac #3	G3 Blue  White 450 mhz with Sonnet Aria Extreme PCI card-- 
Location Office with the basestation
	Mac #4	G3 Blue  White 400 mhz connected to Airport Express via  
ethernet--Location Kitchen, Airport Express also shares printer and  
set of speakers
	Mac #5	G4 iBook 1.3 gig 14 inch mostly used in Family room served by  
another Airport Express which shares a printer and speakers--it can  
roam anywhere in the house without losing it's connection
	Computer # 6 Dell Insiron 9300 17 inch with Centrino processor  
mostly used in Family room but can also roam anywhere in the house  
without losing a connection
So, on my simple Wireless network, I have access to 1 laser printer  
and 2 inkjet printers and 2 sets of speakers (1 is my home stereo  
system, the other just a simple setup with a sub-woofer).  All of the  
Macs can share files, nobody ever drops off, unless they're asleep.   
The PC plays nicely although we had to play around and tweak Norton a  
bit.  Plus the whole network is protected with WEP 128 encryption.


Tim
On Dec 23, 2005, at 1:40 AM, Caleb Cupples wrote:

That's what I was getting at. Plus, as far as my bespectacled eyes  
can tell, the box says Designed for Microsoft Windows XP on most,  
if not all of their products. That's enough to make me look the  
other way. No blue X = not buying...


Caleb

On Friday, Dec 23, 2005, at 00:12 America/Chicago, Laurent Daudelin  
wrote:



on 23/12/05 00:52, themacuser at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Huh? Their routers all seem to have web-config and they're all
802.11, so I don't see how it can not be mac-friendly. I havent used
one yet though, so correct me if I am wrong.


As long as you don't need their support, you're fine. But if you  
ever need
to call them and tell them that you're using it with a Macintosh,  
they will

almost hang up on you.

FYI, Over the period of two years, I had 2 Linksys cable/dsl  
routers. Both
stopped functioning without any apparent reasons. Right after the  
warranty
ended up. I decided to go with D-Link and so far, after a little  
bit over a
year, it's still running fine. They were all Ethernet routers, not  
wireless,

though.

YMMV...

-Laurent.
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Re: Airport Question

2005-12-23 Thread Alan Miller

On Dec 23, 2005, at 7:59 AM, Tim Collier wrote:

I called customer support and got a very unhelpful person at the  
other end who told me that you shouldn't be using this with a Mac  
in the first place.



So they really don't want Mac users buying their product.

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Re: Airport Question

2005-12-23 Thread VICTORIA.DUGGAN
Hi all if that is so then why does mac format give it 4.5 out of 5 as  
a mac router and it only dropped the .5 % because of the price even  
thought they are, roughly 30% cheaper that the airport base stations.
 I think That it is each to there own on the router side and what  
works for some may not work for others. My experience of routers is  
Netgear all the way.


So who ever the original poster was you need to look at all the  
options, check the prices see what you understand, then see what you  
can afford if there is a router that is new that falls into both then  
go for that one. if not then wait until there is.


vicki




I called customer support and got a very unhelpful person at the  
other end who told me that you shouldn't be using this with a Mac  
in the first place.



So they really don't want Mac users buying their product.

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Re: Airport Question

2005-12-23 Thread Caleb Cupples
Ouch. Sounds like a bad business strategy, as far as I'm concerned. 
Even Microsoft admits that Mac users make up a large chunk of their 
profits...


Caleb
On Friday, Dec 23, 2005, at 07:12 America/Chicago, Alan Miller wrote:


On Dec 23, 2005, at 7:59 AM, Tim Collier wrote:

I called customer support and got a very unhelpful person at the 
other end who told me that you shouldn't be using this with a Mac in 
the first place.



So they really don't want Mac users buying their product.

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Re: Airport Question

2005-12-23 Thread bobgir2004
 FYI, Over the period of two years, I had 2 Linksys cable/dsl routers. Both
 stopped functioning without any apparent reasons. Right after the warranty
 ended up. I decided to go with D-Link and so far, after a little bit over a
 year, it's still running fine. They were all Ethernet routers, not wireless,
 though

Just to weigh in with another user's results.

I was given a wired Linksys BEFSR41 Router, v.3; firmware version
1.05.00, by a friend who replaced it with a new ABS.

I don't know how long he had it, but it's been on since he gave to me
over a year ago and it has been trouble free.

I find routers rather complex what with the multitude of items that can
be tinkered with and changed and for others who feel the same way, I
strongly urge you to bookmark the site:

http://www.portforward.com/

This is from their home page:

   
 
 PortForward.com is proud to offer help setting up port forwarding on your
 router or firewall. Many Internet users are not aware of how to configure
 their router or firewall in order to use applications like Peer-to-Peer file
 sharing (PtoP), Internet Games, Web serving, FTP serving, WebCams, IRC DDC,
 and Instant Messaging such as AIM, ICQ, Yahoo and MS Messenger.
 
 Our Routers section offers detailed walkthroughs on how to setup port
 forwarding. These how to guides make it easy to setup your router or firewall
 for any application you may need.
 
 Routers can be tough to configure. Our Help and FAQ page gives general tips
 and definitions. These can help if you can't connect to your router, or are
 unsure of some of the terms on this page. If you do not know exactly what you
 are doing or are having problems, Start Here.
 
 Try our Common Ports ports page if you need to know what ports are required by
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Re: Airport Question

2005-12-23 Thread Tim Collier
Oh, I've been told that before.  Like with BellSouth DSL, after one  
of their outages and my modem appeared fully connected yet wouldn't  
allow mail or safari to connect, they blamed the Mac and said it  
wasn't compatible with their system and it was my fault.  If I would  
only use Internet Explorer I'd have no problems.  Of course a few  
short hours later, all was working fineseems like one of their  
servers got ALL of it's services up and functioning or something like  
that, at least that was their explanation for the problem.  After  
that, I cancelled service with them and started using my cable  
company.  What a difference!  And there have been similar incidents.


Tim
On Dec 23, 2005, at 9:37 AM, Caleb Cupples wrote:

Ouch. Sounds like a bad business strategy, as far as I'm concerned.  
Even Microsoft admits that Mac users make up a large chunk of their  
profits...


Caleb
On Friday, Dec 23, 2005, at 07:12 America/Chicago, Alan Miller wrote:


On Dec 23, 2005, at 7:59 AM, Tim Collier wrote:

I called customer support and got a very unhelpful person at the  
other end who told me that you shouldn't be using this with a  
Mac in the first place.



So they really don't want Mac users buying their product.

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Re: Airport Question

2005-12-22 Thread david

On Dec 22, 2005, at 1:41 AM, Clark Martin wrote:

Your iBook can only take an original Airport card (802.11b) so  
stick with a b router unless there is something else that might  
go wireless.  Don't worry about the future, by then a g (or n,  
x, y or z) router will likely be cheaper than what a b is now.


You probably won't find any routers that are just 802.11b - g is  
pretty much the standard and compatible with the Airport card in your  
iBook. n is becoming the new standard but isn't 'standard' yet.


I steer people away from Linksys, I've heard bad things about their  
reliability and features.  D-Link seems okay as is Netgear.


Oh boy do I agree here. We completely stopped carrying Linksys  
products this year due to their flaky wireless routers. We recommend  
Netgear highly as well as Apples Airport stations for the  
technophobes. The airport station is one of those areas where Apple  
deserves its reputation for high price - they are very high priced  
compared to other wireless stations. But there is something to be  
said for one stop support. There is nothing worse then getting stuck  
on the Support Merry Go Round of - you'll need to talk to Apple about  
that problem - you'll need to talk to XYZ about that problem.


I'd also recommend just powering the unit up, plugging it into your  
network and then trying it out with your iBook. But do be sure to  
turn security on soon afterwards.


cheers
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Re: Airport Question

2005-12-22 Thread Concetta Z
Not trying to be contrary here, but I am very pleased with Linksys. I 
installed Airport Express in my iBook and I bought one of their 802.11g 
routers a while back and set up a wireless network in our house, talked 
through by great customer service - and it was a network between my Mac 
and my mom's PC, on opposite sides of the house. Both these procedures 
were surprisingly easy for someone as technically challenged as I am. 
Everything works great.
I have had to call them again (I'm sure my mom's PC was the culprit) 
and they led me step-by-step to the solution to that problem.

I couldn't ask for more from Linksys.
Concetta



I steer people away from Linksys, I've heard bad things about their
reliability and features.  D-Link seems okay as is Netgear.


Oh boy do I agree here. We completely stopped carrying Linksys
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Re: Airport Question

2005-12-22 Thread Caleb Cupples
The big issue with Linksys is that they're not very Mac friendly. 
That's just my humble opinion, based on the lack of Mac-compatible 
offerings they have...


Caleb
On Thursday, Dec 22, 2005, at 23:25 America/Chicago, Concetta Z wrote:

Not trying to be contrary here, but I am very pleased with Linksys. I 
installed Airport Express in my iBook and I bought one of their 
802.11g routers a while back and set up a wireless network in our 
house, talked through by great customer service - and it was a network 
between my Mac and my mom's PC, on opposite sides of the house. Both 
these procedures were surprisingly easy for someone as technically 
challenged as I am. Everything works great.
I have had to call them again (I'm sure my mom's PC was the culprit) 
and they led me step-by-step to the solution to that problem.

I couldn't ask for more from Linksys.
Concetta



I steer people away from Linksys, I've heard bad things about their
reliability and features.  D-Link seems okay as is Netgear.


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Re: Airport Question

2005-12-22 Thread themacuser
Huh? Their routers all seem to have web-config and they're all  
802.11, so I don't see how it can not be mac-friendly. I havent used  
one yet though, so correct me if I am wrong.

On 23/12/2005, at 4:01 PM, Caleb Cupples wrote:

The big issue with Linksys is that they're not very Mac friendly.  
That's just my humble opinion, based on the lack of Mac-compatible  
offerings they have...


Caleb
On Thursday, Dec 22, 2005, at 23:25 America/Chicago, Concetta Z wrote:

Not trying to be contrary here, but I am very pleased with  
Linksys. I installed Airport Express in my iBook and I bought one  
of their 802.11g routers a while back and set up a wireless  
network in our house, talked through by great customer service -  
and it was a network between my Mac and my mom's PC, on opposite  
sides of the house. Both these procedures were surprisingly easy  
for someone as technically challenged as I am. Everything works  
great.
I have had to call them again (I'm sure my mom's PC was the  
culprit) and they led me step-by-step to the solution to that  
problem.

I couldn't ask for more from Linksys.
Concetta



I steer people away from Linksys, I've heard bad things about their
reliability and features.  D-Link seems okay as is Netgear.


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Re: Airport Question

2005-12-22 Thread Laurent Daudelin
on 23/12/05 00:52, themacuser at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Huh? Their routers all seem to have web-config and they're all
 802.11, so I don't see how it can not be mac-friendly. I havent used
 one yet though, so correct me if I am wrong.

As long as you don't need their support, you're fine. But if you ever need
to call them and tell them that you're using it with a Macintosh, they will
almost hang up on you.

FYI, Over the period of two years, I had 2 Linksys cable/dsl routers. Both
stopped functioning without any apparent reasons. Right after the warranty
ended up. I decided to go with D-Link and so far, after a little bit over a
year, it's still running fine. They were all Ethernet routers, not wireless,
though.

YMMV...

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Murphy's Law: prov. The correct, _original_ Murphy's Law reads: If there
are two or more ways to do something, and one of those ways can result in a
catastrophe, then someone will do it. This is a principle of defensive
design, cited here because it is usually given in mutant forms less
descriptive of the challenges of design for lusers.
Edward A. Murphy, Jr. was one of the engineers on the rocket-sled
experiments that were done by the U.S. Air Force in 1949 to test human
acceleration tolerances. One experiment involved a set of 16 accelerometers
mounted to different parts of the subject's body. There were two ways each
sensor could be glued to its mount, and somebody methodically installed all
16 the wrong way around. Murphy then made the original form of his
pronouncement, which the test subject quoted at a news conference a few days
later.
Before too many years had gone by variants had passed into the popular
imagination, changing as they went. Most of these are variants on Anything
that can go wrong, will; this is correctly referred to as Finagle's Law.



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Re: Airport Question

2005-12-22 Thread themacuser
Strange though, I've had people swear by Linksys routers and say  
Netgear ones suck...


I have already ordered a linksys ADSL2 ethernet router when I signed  
up to internode... hope it works...

On 23/12/2005, at 4:42 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:


on 23/12/05 00:52, themacuser at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Huh? Their routers all seem to have web-config and they're all
802.11, so I don't see how it can not be mac-friendly. I havent used
one yet though, so correct me if I am wrong.


As long as you don't need their support, you're fine. But if you  
ever need
to call them and tell them that you're using it with a Macintosh,  
they will

almost hang up on you.

FYI, Over the period of two years, I had 2 Linksys cable/dsl  
routers. Both
stopped functioning without any apparent reasons. Right after the  
warranty
ended up. I decided to go with D-Link and so far, after a little  
bit over a
year, it's still running fine. They were all Ethernet routers, not  
wireless,

though.

YMMV...

-Laurent.
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Murphy's Law: prov. The correct, _original_ Murphy's Law reads: If  
there
are two or more ways to do something, and one of those ways can  
result in a
catastrophe, then someone will do it. This is a principle of  
defensive

design, cited here because it is usually given in mutant forms less
descriptive of the challenges of design for lusers.
Edward A. Murphy, Jr. was one of the engineers on the rocket-sled
experiments that were done by the U.S. Air Force in 1949 to test human
acceleration tolerances. One experiment involved a set of 16  
accelerometers
mounted to different parts of the subject's body. There were two  
ways each
sensor could be glued to its mount, and somebody methodically  
installed all

16 the wrong way around. Murphy then made the original form of his
pronouncement, which the test subject quoted at a news conference a  
few days

later.
Before too many years had gone by variants had passed into the popular
imagination, changing as they went. Most of these are variants on  
Anything
that can go wrong, will; this is correctly referred to as  
Finagle's Law.




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Re: Airport Question

2005-12-22 Thread Caleb Cupples
That's what I was getting at. Plus, as far as my bespectacled eyes can 
tell, the box says Designed for Microsoft Windows XP on most, if not 
all of their products. That's enough to make me look the other way. No 
blue X = not buying...


Caleb

On Friday, Dec 23, 2005, at 00:12 America/Chicago, Laurent Daudelin 
wrote:



on 23/12/05 00:52, themacuser at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Huh? Their routers all seem to have web-config and they're all
802.11, so I don't see how it can not be mac-friendly. I havent used
one yet though, so correct me if I am wrong.


As long as you don't need their support, you're fine. But if you ever 
need
to call them and tell them that you're using it with a Macintosh, they 
will

almost hang up on you.

FYI, Over the period of two years, I had 2 Linksys cable/dsl routers. 
Both
stopped functioning without any apparent reasons. Right after the 
warranty
ended up. I decided to go with D-Link and so far, after a little bit 
over a
year, it's still running fine. They were all Ethernet routers, not 
wireless,

though.

YMMV...

-Laurent.
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Re: Airport Question

2005-12-22 Thread Clem Bacani
Generally routers works fine for both PC and Mac but manufacturers  
had the habit of putting in their box that product works ok with  
Windows -- XP etc and no mention that it works ok with Mac.  Perhaps  
they are not targeting Mac users as their clients.


Clem

On Dec 22, 2005, at 10:40 PM, Caleb Cupples wrote:

That's what I was getting at. Plus, as far as my bespectacled eyes  
can tell, the box says Designed for Microsoft Windows XP on most,  
if not all of their products. That's enough to make me look the  
other way. No blue X = not buying...


Caleb

On Friday, Dec 23, 2005, at 00:12 America/Chicago, Laurent Daudelin  
wrote:



on 23/12/05 00:52, themacuser at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Huh? Their routers all seem to have web-config and they're all
802.11, so I don't see how it can not be mac-friendly. I havent used
one yet though, so correct me if I am wrong.


As long as you don't need their support, you're fine. But if you  
ever need
to call them and tell them that you're using it with a Macintosh,  
they will

almost hang up on you.

FYI, Over the period of two years, I had 2 Linksys cable/dsl  
routers. Both
stopped functioning without any apparent reasons. Right after the  
warranty
ended up. I decided to go with D-Link and so far, after a little  
bit over a
year, it's still running fine. They were all Ethernet routers, not  
wireless,

though.

YMMV...

-Laurent.
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Airport Question

2005-12-21 Thread Amanda Ward

Hi All,

I've decided to go wireless with my iBook-500, but I don't have a  
base unit yet. Just put an Airport (original) card in my 'Book and it  
works fine... seems someone is running an open wireless network  
nearby! :)
Anyway... I went window shopping for equipment over the weekend and  
was amazed at what is available. Thus my question. Having an old  
Airport card, is there any equipment I should stay away from? I mean,  
I assume an older Airport base would work and the Airport control  
panel says I'm accessing either a netgear or linksys network. Would  
these work as well? And what of 802.11b vs 802.11g?


I'm pretty comfortable with wired networks, but there's a =steep=  
learning curve for wireless.


Thanks for any advice!

Amanda

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Re: Airport Question

2005-12-21 Thread VICTORIA.DUGGAN

Hi Amanda

I use a netgear wgt624 108mbps wireless router without problem.

The router is very easy to set up and i have no troubles connecting a  
couple of laptops and a couple of desktops all via airport or  
wireless connections. It lets my mini connect at the full 54mbps  
airport extreme and my G4 tower and powerbook connect at 11mbps  
802.11b speed via internal airport cards.


I also use a 2400 with an old dell truemobile card in using the  
orinoco drivers and that connects problem free. The only problem i  
have is when my mother in law come over with her windows laptop i  
have to turn off the security i have so she can access it as the card  
she uses does not support the same level encryption as i use for the  
macs.


vicki
On Dec 22, 2005, at 6:23 AM, Amanda Ward wrote:


Hi All,

I've decided to go wireless with my iBook-500, but I don't have a  
base unit yet. Just put an Airport (original) card in my 'Book and  
it works fine... seems someone is running an open wireless network  
nearby! :)
Anyway... I went window shopping for equipment over the weekend and  
was amazed at what is available. Thus my question. Having an old  
Airport card, is there any equipment I should stay away from? I  
mean, I assume an older Airport base would work and the Airport  
control panel says I'm accessing either a netgear or linksys  
network. Would these work as well? And what of 802.11b vs 802.11g?


I'm pretty comfortable with wired networks, but there's a =steep=  
learning curve for wireless.


Thanks for any advice!

Amanda



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Re: Airport Question

2005-12-21 Thread Clark Martin

At 10:23 PM -0800 12/21/05, Amanda Ward wrote:

Hi All,

I've decided to go wireless with my iBook-500, but I don't have a 
base unit yet. Just put an Airport (original) card in my 'Book and 
it works fine... seems someone is running an open wireless network 
nearby! :)
Anyway... I went window shopping for equipment over the weekend and 
was amazed at what is available. Thus my question. Having an old 
Airport card, is there any equipment I should stay away from? I 
mean, I assume an older Airport base would work and the Airport 
control panel says I'm accessing either a netgear or linksys 
network. Would these work as well? And what of 802.11b vs 802.11g?


I'm pretty comfortable with wired networks, but there's a =steep= 
learning curve for wireless.


Best thing is to start with the simplest setup, no encryption and use 
all the defaults except the SSID name.  Get it working and then keep 
activating the features you want.


The one thing I always suggest is to survey the wireless environment. 
Download MacStumbler and run it.  It will tell you what channels are 
in use and how strong the signal is.  Pick a channel that is as 
little used as you can.


A common mistake people make is to buy the router and just use all 
the defaults.  This often means several routers are on the same 
channel in a given area.  That is a great way to kill range.  The 
other thing is leaving the default SSID.


I've done some war driving and found a large percentage of routers 
are operating on their default settings, or most of them.


Your iBook can only take an original Airport card (802.11b) so stick 
with a b router unless there is something else that might go 
wireless.  Don't worry about the future, by then a g (or n, x, 
y or z) router will likely be cheaper than what a b is now.


I steer people away from Linksys, I've heard bad things about their 
reliability and features.  D-Link seems okay as is Netgear.


I'm using a Motorola g but that is because it's rather full 
featured including some unusual features I needed.  I've got a Belkin 
which is okay if slightly flakey.  They did do a rather hare brained 
thing on another router, it redirected web URLs to some other site 
(they gave up on that fast).  My SMC works okay but it's range isn't 
as good as either the Belkin or Motorola.


Airports are good but they aren't cheap.
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Airport Question

2005-04-13 Thread Amanda Ward
Hi All,

I'm looking for a wireless card for my G3 icebook. I know that I'm pretty
much limited to the original (and pricey) Apple card and that's okay. But...
will the Apple card work with non-apple base stations? I can find like,
Linksys and D-Link cheaper than the corresponding Apple Products.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Amanda 


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Re: Airport Question

2005-04-13 Thread gladys perez-almiroty
yes, they should. i have 2 regulars and 1 extreme working flawlessly 
with the wifi dsl modem that my provider uses. it is a 2wire brand. my 
aunt has the same modem with an extreme, a belkin pcmcia card on a 
lombard and a windoze machine. all work well, no problems so far knock 
on wood {grin}
g
On Apr 13, 2005, at 10:23 AM, Amanda Ward wrote:

Hi All,
I'm looking for a wireless card for my G3 icebook. I know that I'm 
pretty
much limited to the original (and pricey) Apple card and that's okay. 
But...
will the Apple card work with non-apple base stations? I can find like,
Linksys and D-Link cheaper than the corresponding Apple Products.

Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Amanda
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Re: Airport Question

2005-04-13 Thread Muddle Man
Is true that PC card wireless cards are cheaper and
easier to find than Airport cards. I too have an
Airport in my iBook G3 900.

It's important to understand that the protocol used to
communicate over a network is TCP/IP and wireless
802.11b/g. These protocols are not platform specific. 

To give you an idea, let's use my home network as an
example. I have a cable modem, Linksys Wireless B
router, two Mac desktops running wired to the router;
one iBook with Airport, and one Win XP laptop with a
Linksys wireless B PC card. The standard of
communications wirelessly is 802.11b. The router
doesn't care if it's an iBook running OS X or Win XP
with any wireless PC card.

iBooks don't have a PC card slot, so a PC card
wireless card is not an option. There are very few PC
cards that do work with Macs. They only work with
PowerBooks since they have PC card slots in them.

I prefer Linksys over D-link for quality and trouble
free usage. When you get the router don't bother
running any install programs (probably won't have an
installer for Mac anyway) since they are not needed.
Each router has a way for the router to be accessed
through a web page interface. You'll see directions
for that in the manual. This is important because you
will want to lock down your wireless network with a
WEP to keep folks from using your wireless signal to
surf w/o your knowledge.


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 Hi All,
 
 I'm looking for a wireless card for my G3 icebook. I
 know that I'm pretty
 much limited to the original (and pricey) Apple card
 and that's okay. But...
 will the Apple card work with non-apple base
 stations? I can find like,
 Linksys and D-Link cheaper than the corresponding
 Apple Products.
 
 Any thoughts?
 
 Thanks,
 
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Follow Up: airport question/assistance needed

2004-12-01 Thread kochkodin

kochkodin wrote:
Quick question for the list
I am using the original graphite base station and original airport card 
in this Pismo and my imac SE 400 (graphite)...Also hooked into the 
system is my son's Dell w/a wireless card...All working perfectly...My 
other son is now home with his Gateway and we can't seem to get the 
system to allow the network to allow the gateway to transmit/receive the 
signal...When it does see the network, it will not allow anything to be 
connected..We had this same problem when adding the Dell but somehow got 
it to work perfectly..My son asked about replacing the Airport w/ a 
new PC base station and some other type of wireless card...OBviously I 
would prefer to keep the current setup...Any odeas about what needs to 
be done to get the Airport network to see/work with the Gateway???
Regards and TIA,
Mike K
The original attempt to add the Gateway was using a Netgear(?yellow box) 
card in the Gateway...Just wouldn't work at all...After getting a Belkin 
card for the Gway..It worked automatically!!!   It seems that it is a 
true plug'n play..At any rate..the wireles network consists of the 
graphite airport base, an iMac SE 400 (graphite) and a Pismo 400..both 
with the original airport cards (both on 10.3.6) and a 1 yr old Gateway 
and a 6mo. old Dell (Both XP Home)..All these run into my Verizon DSL.
Anyway..now I need to see if the new HP Printer/copier/scanner combo 
unit can be added to the airport network since all 4 systems are in 
different rooms/levels of the house...Any ideas???
Regards and Thanks for the earlier suggestions from the group!!!
Mike K


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Re: airport question/assistance needed

2004-11-29 Thread Luis Sequeira
Quick question for the list
I am using the original graphite base station and original airport card
in this Pismo and my imac SE 400 (graphite)...Also hooked into the
system is my son's Dell w/a wireless card...All working perfectly...My
other son is now home with his Gateway and we can't seem to get the
system to allow the network to allow the gateway to transmit/receive the
signal...When it does see the network, it will not allow anything to be
connected..We had this same problem when adding the Dell but somehow got
it to work perfectly..My son asked about replacing the Airport w/ a
new PC base station and some other type of wireless card...OBviously I
would prefer to keep the current setup...Any odeas about what needs to
be done to get the Airport network to see/work with the Gateway???
Regards and TIA,
Mike K
Maybe you've set the network up in a way that restricts access based 
on MAC address (that is a unique hardware MAChine address, that all 
network devices, wired or wireless have)? If so, you'd have to use 
the Airport Admin Utility to enter your son's wireless card's address 
as a legitimate one - click on the Access control tab.

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Re: airport question/assistance needed

2004-11-26 Thread Dennis B. Swaney
At 6:04 PM -0500 11/25/04, kochkodin wrote:
Quick question for the list
I am using the original graphite base station and original airport 
card in this Pismo and my imac SE 400 (graphite)...Also hooked into 
the system is my son's Dell w/a wireless card...All working 
perfectly...My other son is now home with his Gateway and we can't 
seem to get the system to allow the network to allow the gateway to 
transmit/receive the signal...When it does see the network, it will 
not allow anything to be connected..We had this same problem when 
adding the Dell but somehow got it to work perfectly..My son 
asked about replacing the Airport w/ a new PC base station and some 
other type of wireless card...OBviously I would prefer to keep the 
current setup...Any odeas about what needs to be done to get the 
Airport network to see/work with the Gateway???
Regards and TIA,
Mike K
Mike, you're going at it the wrong way. They should replace both the 
Dell  the Gateway with Powerbooks. The bottom line is that it is 
YOUR network and your sons are guests on it. They should not ask that 
you change your equipment to inferior equipment just because they 
made the bad choices and bought inferior systems.
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Re: airport question/assistance needed

2004-11-26 Thread darm0k
At 04:02 PM -0800 11/26/2004, Dennis B. Swaney wrote:
At 6:04 PM -0500 11/25/04, kochkodin wrote:
Any odeas about what needs to be done to get the Airport network to 
see/work with the Gateway???

Mike, you're going at it the wrong way. They should replace both the 
Dell  the Gateway with Powerbooks.
Yea, what Dennis said.
And
1) Check Apple's kbase for info. There's some Airport-PC stuff there.
2) Tell your son to call his Gateway tech support and/or Microsoft to 
ask them for the proper settings.  Its their hardware/software that's 
plug'n'play afterall.

3) What Dennis said.
4) Goto 3.
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Re: airport question/assistance needed

2004-11-26 Thread COCCORP
In a message dated 11/25/2004 8:37:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
kochkodin@verizon.net writes:

 .My 
  other son is now home with his Gateway and we can't seem to get the 
  system to allow the network to allow the gateway to transmit/receive the 
  signal...When it does see the network, it will not allow anything to be 
  connected..

Okay; I am assuming that your son's Gateway has a 802.11b card? What brand? 
Or is his connection internal, or USB?

How does he connect at school?

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airport question/assistance needed

2004-11-25 Thread kochkodin
Quick question for the list
I am using the original graphite base station and original airport card 
in this Pismo and my imac SE 400 (graphite)...Also hooked into the 
system is my son's Dell w/a wireless card...All working perfectly...My 
other son is now home with his Gateway and we can't seem to get the 
system to allow the network to allow the gateway to transmit/receive the 
signal...When it does see the network, it will not allow anything to be 
connected..We had this same problem when adding the Dell but somehow got 
it to work perfectly..My son asked about replacing the Airport w/ a 
new PC base station and some other type of wireless card...OBviously I 
would prefer to keep the current setup...Any odeas about what needs to 
be done to get the Airport network to see/work with the Gateway???
Regards and TIA,
Mike K

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Re: airport question/assistance needed

2004-11-25 Thread Laurent Daudelin
on 25/11/04 18:04, kochkodin at kochkodin@verizon.net wrote:

 Quick question for the list
 I am using the original graphite base station and original airport card
 in this Pismo and my imac SE 400 (graphite)...Also hooked into the
 system is my son's Dell w/a wireless card...All working perfectly...My
 other son is now home with his Gateway and we can't seem to get the
 system to allow the network to allow the gateway to transmit/receive the
 signal...When it does see the network, it will not allow anything to be
 connected..We had this same problem when adding the Dell but somehow got
 it to work perfectly..My son asked about replacing the Airport w/ a
 new PC base station and some other type of wireless card...OBviously I
 would prefer to keep the current setup...Any odeas about what needs to
 be done to get the Airport network to see/work with the Gateway???

FYI, I've tried to get a Dell Latitude working with my Snow Base station and
after wasting a few evenings of troubleshooting, I gave up. In my case,
there is no way I'm going to replace my ABS. If a computer cannot connect to
my network without any fuss, then it's probably better that way...

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Re: Basic Airport Question

2003-02-06 Thread Kevin Stevens


On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Stephen Bright wrote:

 If you want to connect your pbook to the internet and the ethernet network
 (of 2 computers and a printer) is it better to connect the Base Station to
 the cable modem through the WAN port, or to connect the network to the Base
 Station via the lAN port.

You need to connect the Base Station to the cable modem through the WAN
port.  Otherwise the stateful firewall rules, NAT, etc. will be operating
on the wrong interface.

 Currently I have the base station connected to the cable modem through the
 WAN port, and all computers see the internet, but not each other. Thanks,

Then something's broken.  Supply details.

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Re: Basic Airport Question

2003-02-06 Thread Stephen Bright
I have not found the enable Ethernet Bridging in the 10.2.3 utility
(version 3.0). Could you please direct me to it? Thanks.
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Re: Basic Airport Question

2003-02-06 Thread Stephen Bright
 Something is broken. Supply Details.

It is an Airport Extreme base station, running 10.2.3/9.2. Another symptom
is the Pismo can send and receive email fine via Airport regular, and the
computer on the network can receive but not send email to any other domain
other than it's own (rr).
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Re: Basic Airport Question

2003-02-06 Thread Jeremy Derr
On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 05:21 PM, David M. Ensteness wrote:

 Do you have the box enable Ethernet Bridging in the AirPort admin
 utility checked?

AFAIK, this option is not available on dual-ethernet Airport base 
stations -- the presence of two ethernet ports makes Bridging academic.


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Re: Basic Airport Question

2003-02-06 Thread Jeremy Derr
On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 05:52 PM, Stephen Bright wrote:

 It is an Airport Extreme base station, running 10.2.3/9.2. Another 
 symptom
 is the Pismo can send and receive email fine via Airport regular, and 
 the
 computer on the network can receive but not send email to any other 
 domain
 other than it's own (rr).

some networks restrict SMTP in a number of ways.

the machines that cannot send email may be sending through a service 
that doesn't allow email to be sent through it from other domains. For 
instance, my work email must be sent through the work email server 
while I'm physically in the office.


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Re: Basic Airport Question

2003-02-06 Thread Stephen Bright
 Then something's broken.

I went out to dinner and now everything is working properly! It is funny how
sometimes doing nothing can accomplish what 5 hours of changing settings and
rebooting failed to do. Thanks all,
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Re: airport question

2002-07-27 Thread Byron Gardner

Do you connect to a dial up modem with the Lucent card? Explain how as I
have a PB G3 wallstreet series and would like to see about going wirless to
get on the internet.

Thanks,
Byron

on 7/26/02 4:49 PM, Robert Easton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a Lucent card in a G3 and I used it to do everything.
 
 For 
 that matter, I don't know if you could use a non-Airport PCMCIA 802.11b
 card in a Powerbook to run the Airport config, either.
 
 KeS
 
 


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Re: airport question

2002-07-26 Thread Ryan Coleman

I'm not certain that this is even technically correct.
  When I got my wife's Airport-equipped iBook and a
Base Station, I had trouble getting the iBook to see
the Station wirelessly, so I configured it via the
ethernet connection on my non-Airport PowerBook and it
works just fine now.  I can't imagine why you'd want a
Base without something with a card (except to act as
an expensive router) but in my experience it's quite
doable.

You are correct. You can even use two base stations to connect two 
parts of a building together without cabling.
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Re: airport question

2002-07-26 Thread Kevin Stevens


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Not true.  The only requirement for an Airport
*STATION* is that you have
an Airport *CARD* equipped Mac to configure it with.
  The only requirement
for an Airport *CARD* is that the Mac have an
Airport slot to put it in.

On Friday, July 26, 2002, at 07:04 , Jeff Lentz wrote:

 I'm not certain that this is even technically correct.
  When I got my wife's Airport-equipped iBook and a
 Base Station, I had trouble getting the iBook to see
 the Station wirelessly, so I configured it via the
 ethernet connection on my non-Airport PowerBook and it
 works just fine now.  I can't imagine why you'd want a
 Base without something with a card (except to act as
 an expensive router) but in my experience it's quite
 doable.

 - Jeff Lentz

Ok, my bad.  I was going by Apple's page on the Airport base station.  
To answer your question, probably the most common scenario would be that 
the base station was being redeployed in an all-PC environment.  For 
that matter, I don't know if you could use a non-Airport PCMCIA 802.11b 
card in a Powerbook to run the Airport config, either.

KeS


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airport question

2002-07-25 Thread caribsea

I was reading the specs on an Airport station and think it was telling me that a G4 
was required. True? Can I not use Airport on my G3 Lombard?

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Re: airport question

2002-07-25 Thread Gary D. Adams

Not only do I used my with my G3 Powerbook, but also my Powerbook 3400.

Ralph Plumb wrote:

 I use mine with my G3 ibook and my G3 imac.
 Ralph

 On Thursday, July 25, 2002, at 05:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I was reading the specs on an Airport station and think it was telling
  me that a G4 was required. True? Can I not use Airport on my G3 Lombard?
 
  Willi
 
 
 


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Re: airport question

2002-07-25 Thread Robert Easton

My mom has a lucent card in her G3 that hooks up to her Base station ...
only problem ... no OSX software.

 On Thursday, July 25, 2002, at 05:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I was reading the specs on an Airport station and think it was telling
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Re: airport question

2002-07-25 Thread Ryan Coleman

Actually, not true. They have a version out for Windows.

You can use airport with a PC even. The administrator app you use to set
it up only runs on Mac OSes as listed above.

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