Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera/Lag time
On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 02:02:56PM -1000, Aron Nelson wrote: : : Do you have one that doesn't have any lag after shooting? The Nikon D1X can do 9 shots in 3 seconds. The Nikon D1H is even faster. -- Eugene Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Good, inexpensive digital camera
This web site answers many of the questions about permanence of color in photographic paper and, I believe, in ink jet inks. http://www.wilhelm-research.com/ --- Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:00:57 -0500 Subject: Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera From: Thomas Ethen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't forget the archival quality of film over digital! Tom I do love film, much richer colors and depth, but it is too expensive, in the long run, and just one huge hassle. In this case, I will take convenience and price over quality and hassle. Unfortunately. However I lament. P- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera/Lag time
On 4/20/02 4:21 PM, (G-Books) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently most/all Digital cameras have lag time after the shot. I have tried many at CompUSA and Circuit City and they all had lag after shooting. The lag times are even parts of the review process on web sites now. Do you have one that doesn't have any lag after shooting? Aron I am no professional photographer, but in my experience with the common household film camera...every one that I have owned has a lag time that is no more/less than my digital I use now. Even conventional cameras have to wait for the charging capacitors to charge up for the flash. If I turn the flash off of my digital (HP Photosmart 318) I can shoot, and shoot and shoot without worrying about any lag time. I have no use for taking 5 pictures in one second, so I can't gauge THAT type of lag. 1/100th, 1/1000, 1/12000 shutter...means nothing to me, nor will it ever unless I take photography up as my job. If that ever happens, then I will rethink my opinions. Of course I normally shoot at the lowest quality setting for easy transmittal over email to family., so that has an effect I am sure. When I bump up the quality..there is more lag as it writes it to the CF I am sure. I have left the film roll for the digital as my common household camera, and I will never go back. Walt -- Bill Gates house was designed on a Macintosh. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera/Lag time
Walter R Basil wrote: Of course I normally shoot at the lowest quality setting for easy transmittal over email to family., so that has an effect I am sure. When I bump up the quality..there is more lag as it writes it to the CF I am sure. Yeah, I just tested this with my Epson (PhotoPC 650) 1.3 MP camera. At lowet quality (640 x 480 jpeg) it took about a second and a half from shutterpress to shutterpress. At highest quality (1152x864) it took about 7 seconds. This is, however, with a relaitively slow Lexar CF card (4x). Lexar sells 12X in their pro series now which would shorten the time. The 8mb card that cae with the camera is faster, but the 4X one was cheap when I got it, for an 80 mb card (It's nice looking at the number of shots I can take on that one: 300 at fine quality, which is indistiguishable, mostly, from the highest quality.) Also, my Epson is pretty old and slow as far as digital cameras go. A Nikon Coolpix I recently used was considerably faster. Bruce -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Good, inexpensive digital camera
Film is infinitely better and cheaper than digital. I have done it both ways now, and film is so much cheaper than digital there is no comparison.Film is also infinitely superior in quality---by at least 3 orders of magnitude. As an example, scanning Fuji ASA-800 film on my 2400 * 2400 dpi HP scanner, I am not even close to seeing any grain in the film. And Fuji 800 is a much faster film than any digital camera--with regard to any specific contrast and resolution standard. A scan of a 35mm negative at 2400dpisq (a real 2400 not virtual 2400) creates a file roughly in the 40-70 meg range that would swamp any camera if it had to store it. A proper 40,000dpisq scan from say a Nikon coolscan would be Signifiacantly more troublesome. Film has dramatically higher color and contrast depth than digital pictures.A disposable camera produces much superior photos to even the most expensive electronic camera---and not merely because of pixels--but because of resolution and contrast or depth. You might think that scanning from a print would be better than scanning from a negative--after all 2400 dpi on a negative gives a total resolution of only about 3300 by 2200 for the picture, whereas the print gives a much higher resolution scan. But it turns out that the negative has greater depth. And so I have found negative scans to be far superior than print scans---even though I don't have a Nikon Coolscan. ( I have an HP 5490c scanner---don't get it--get one compatible with Vuescan software---HP is notorious for not supporting their hardware with drivers and I am afraid that this scanner is no exception--the odds of ever seeing an OSX version of the driver are getting slimmer and slimmer and apparently the scanner's USB port runs from a parallel to USB converter inside. So the scans are great--but in system 9 only) For years, film has evolved to en extremely efficient medium. Everyone knows (or should know) that there is a difference between Kodachrome and Ectachrome--not to mention KodaColor and Fuji and Agfa and so forth. Kodachrome and Ectachrome both give accurate colors, but those colors feel different and have a different mood. As another example, print film (eg Kodacolor) has a much wider exposure range (plus or minus 4 stops) compared to chrome (viz slide) film. And chrome is an order of magnitude superior to digital. For all practical purposes, electronic photos are useless, except for use online--where you expect bad quaility and don't have the bandwidth to show good quality, or for snapshots where you neither enlarge nor crop. And if you don't do these things:Why go digital anyway?? Furthermore, when it comes to taking pictures, the electronic camera requires a huge supply of rechargeable batteries and there is always a delay when shooting--so you cannot use electronic cameras to take any action shots. I have tried a couple of cameras and they all want to do stuff before you shoot--instead of letting you shoot. Printing photos off the computer and onto a printer is so difficult and requires so much time, I think I could probably do it faster in a basement darkroom. I have spent hours on a single photo. I just don't have that kind time for any but the special photos. And I do take that time for special photos. I do spend a lot of time on special photos--but now I start out with film--and then crop. You can't crop electronic photo's because by the time you are finished cropping there is no picture information left for the enlargement. Finally, be aware that ink jet ink fades within 4 years--even if the picture is covered in a book. Epson claims to have archival quality inks--but I haven't seen any quality reviews of these. (even color photo prints fade to black and white over time---but ink jet prints have no underlying black white). (I use a color laserwriter--but I have no idea how many years these prints will last. My 35 mm Nikon FA batteries last 7-8 years-and it will still operate at -20 below with no batteries at all. Even with seven or eight sets of batteries, I cannot take electronic photos in the field over the course of a day. For example, no one can take electronic photos of a soccer game because of the bad lenses, the low resolution--AND because of the batteries. I have seen some great big batteries--but I have not seen any that could stay on-full for 3 hours--even though some video cams do. With a film camera, you can tell from the mood of the picture what lens you have used or what film you have used. I have only played around with a few digital cameras but my impression is that although lenses are very critical for 35mm film--Nikor, Canon, Zeiss lenses offer a superior quality that could be visible to a soccer mom-- I am not sure how much good a better lens will do for digital photos because I am not sure the recording medium is there yet.
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
These are not inexpensive digital cameras that we are talking about now! An inexpensive 35mm film camera (less that $100) will outshoot any inexpensive digital camera (less than $300) out there when it comes to photographic sharpness. Having used the D1X (5.33 Megapixel) and an EOS-1D (4.06 Megapixel), I can say that they are both great digital cameras, but with digital limitations as well as digital advantages. Their limitations are the pixels that the camera is able to record on its CCD and most important to me, the lag time involved between the highest quality images. They are great for giving instant feedback on your photograph and they do a respectable job of delivering a quality product on a professional level. With that said, both my Hasselblad 501 and my Pentax 67 will shoot rings around both of those cameras when it comes to photographic sharpness and the ability to do enlargements. Tom How do you feel about the Nikon D1X? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
I find film to be one of the largest nuisances of the 20th and 21st centuries. It's a pain to use film and film companies have nothing but themselves to blame for not making developing easier. They should have contrived some contraption to take your film (easy-load, which finally has made an appearance), stick it in, and inexpensively shoot out pictures. And wire the pictures to your computer for digital storage on a CD. If that was available, I'd stick with film. I do love film, much richer colors and depth, but it is too expensive, in the long run, and just one huge hassle. In this case, I will take convenience and price over quality and hassle. Unfortunately. However I lament. P- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
Thomas Ethen wrote: These are not inexpensive digital cameras that we are talking about now! An inexpensive 35mm film camera (less that $100) will outshoot any inexpensive digital camera (less than $300) out there when it comes to photographic sharpness. Having used the D1X (5.33 Megapixel) and an EOS-1D (4.06 Megapixel), I can say that they are both great digital cameras, but with digital limitations as well as digital advantages. Their limitations are the pixels that the camera is able to record on its CCD and most important to me, the lag time involved between the highest quality images. They are great for giving instant feedback on your photograph and they do a respectable job of delivering a quality product on a professional level. With that said, both my Hasselblad 501 and my Pentax 67 will shoot rings around both of those cameras when it comes to photographic sharpness and the ability to do enlargements. They also sell really high res digital backs for those...and the cameras are *cheap* compared to those ;-) Yes, you're right, a cheap 35mm camera will outperform most digital cameras on the market today, even high-end ones. A $300 Canon EOS SLR will outperform them all, no doubt. But that's a far, far cry from saying digital cameras are 'useless', which the previous poster said. I'd guess that digital cameras are still 3-5 years from surpassing film in performance (and I'm an optimist, it could be longer). There are some serious developments occurring in both CCD and CMOS imaging technologies, such as Foveron's multilayer sensor: http://www.foveon.net/X3_tech.html -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
Don't forget the archival quality of film over digital! Tom I do love film, much richer colors and depth, but it is too expensive, in the long run, and just one huge hassle. In this case, I will take convenience and price over quality and hassle. Unfortunately. However I lament. P- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
Actually I love both digital and film and use both on a daily basis! I am still unsure as to what will be done for storage when the digital camera catches up with film, since the files will be incredibly large. Tom I'd guess that digital cameras are still 3-5 years from surpassing film in performance (and I'm an optimist, it could be longer). There are some serious developments occurring in both CCD and CMOS imaging technologies, such as Foveron's multilayer sensor: http://www.foveon.net/X3_tech.html -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
Thomas Ethen wrote: Actually I love both digital and film and use both on a daily basis! I am still unsure as to what will be done for storage when the digital camera catches up with film, since the files will be incredibly large. Tom Austin PowersPsychedelic Holocubes, baybee!/ap Seriously, this is one of the most promising uses of holographic data storage, and working 3D storage units do exist in pre-production labs. http://www.sciam.com/2000/0500issue/0500toigbox5.html http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20010423S0113 http://sci.newsfactor.com/perl/story/17174.html Note they're looking at quite high speed writing and reading of these things, and the write-once nature of the closest to commercial application (the last of the three cites above) is more advantage than impediment to the market (the film companies would LOVE to sell you an endless supply of holocubes instead of film...) -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
Of all the good points you brought up, this one is the killer for me. I was TOTALLY into my digital camera until I recently went to a party and I wanted to take pictures FAST. NO WAY! I got one shot off and had to wait while the damn thing took its time getting ready for the next shot. Not only that, the flash takes a while to charge up too. That alone is painful. Aron there is always a delay when shooting--so you cannot use electronic cameras to take any action shots. I have tried a couple of cameras and they all want to do stuff before you shoot--instead of letting you shoot. -- --- Aron Nelson Audio Bytes Corporation 1050 Queen Street #300 Honolulu, HI 96814 808-589-2727 FAX:808-589-2626 -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
My Olympus 2100 can take up to 2 pictures a second when not using the flash. My previous film camera was no faster with or without the flash. We simply got tired of the shoe boxes full of prints. Have been using digital for two years and would have an additional 50+ sets of prints for the shoe box. I will agree that a digital camera has some quirks but overall is a nice replacement for the home film camera. I was TOTALLY into my digital camera until I recently went to a party and I wanted to take pictures FAST. NO WAY! I got one shot off and had to wait while the damn thing took its time getting ready for the next shot. Not only that, the flash takes a while to charge up too. there is always a delay when shooting--so you cannot use electronic cameras to take any action shots. I have tried a couple of cameras and they all want to do stuff before you shoot--instead of letting you shoot. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera/Lag time
That is not a basic problem of digital cameras. That is a basic problem of the model you have. Apparently most/all Digital cameras have lag time after the shot. I have tried many at CompUSA and Circuit City and they all had lag after shooting. The lag times are even parts of the review process on web sites now. Do you have one that doesn't have any lag after shooting? Aron -- --- Aron Nelson Audio Bytes Corporation 1050 Queen Street #300 Honolulu, HI 96814 808-589-2727 FAX:808-589-2626 -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
Speaking of expensive (:--)), has anyone tried, or seen (in person) the new Sony DSC-F707? It received some good reviews (speed-wise) on the dpreview.com site. I have a house full of old 35mm Nikons from my old news photog days. Now have a disability and am researching a move to digital. Want higher quality. That Sony seems nice. Gene -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
Hang on to that shoe box of prints and negatives, since they will still be usable when the digital prints are long gone. My film camera shoots 5 frames per second, but its biggest plus compared to digital is that it turns on instantly for photo's that show up unexpectedly, unlike all digital cameras. Tom on 4/19/02 6:33 PM, Dick Grable at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Olympus 2100 can take up to 2 pictures a second when not using the flash. My previous film camera was no faster with or without the flash. We simply got tired of the shoe boxes full of prints. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera/Lag time
Most digital cameras have a continuous shoot mode which allows you to shoot a number of shots fairly quickly (until your buffer runs out) and then they usually take around 7 to 10 seconds to recover and be able to do this again. The smaller the file size the more shots that can be taken in rapid succession, while the larger the size the less shots that can be taken. In single shot mode, all digital cameras have some lag time between shots and they all take from 5 to 8 seconds to start up after being turned off. Tom Do you have one that doesn't have any lag after shooting? Aron -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
Sony offers the DSC-S75, a 4 MP camera with a black body. It's pretty slick. Almost got one myself, but opted for the Canon s110 Elf. I love how small the camera is, and take it with me everywhere. All of Sony's camera are great. The biggest advantages of the designs come from their experiences with the digital camcorder line. Most higher end Sony cameras now have Ziess lens. I would also highly recommend any Sony. The best thing I love about digital cameras is the ability to share images. My wedding photo was shot digitally and was shared among all our guests instantly across the country over the net. Then we mailed each guest a CD of the full 500+ images of our wedding for 33 cents per disk. That is not possible with regular film. Vic In a message dated 4/19/02 8:16:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Speaking of expensive (:--)), has anyone tried, or seen (in person) the new Sony DSC-F707? It received some good reviews (speed-wise) on the dpreview.com site. I purchased a Sony DSC-S70 about a year ago, a 3.34MP camera with a Zeiss lens. I use it professionally in my marketing/advertising business, and have been VASTLY satisfied with both the quality of the photos and the versatility of the camera itself. I recently photographed about 300 pieces of Middle Eastern antiquities using the macro mode and was amazed at the clarity of the images using only natural light in the room... extreme detail, very sharp. Yes, there IS a lag, esp. depending on the resolution of the image/size of the file being stored; but I no longer have drawers of photos/negatives I have to go through... I have the images all stored on disk, ready to use without scanning. I'd recommend my Sony camera without hesitation, but I don't think they're making that particular model any longer... perhaps the new models have the Zeiss lens? RLM -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Kodak offers a photo CD with every roll of film you have processed by them if you want it. Tom My wedding photo was shot digitally and was shared among all our guests instantly across the country over the net. Then we mailed each guest a CD of the full 500+ images of our wedding for 33 cents per disk. That is not possible with regular film. Vic -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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In a message dated 4/20/02 12:29:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kodak offers a photo CD with every roll of film you have processed by them if you want it. I hope Kodak has upgraded that service in the last year or so... I had clients bring me their disk from Kodak expecting the scans to be good... they were sorely disappointed in the quality. RLM -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Most digital cameras have a continuous shoot mode which allows you to shoot a number of shots fairly quickly (until your buffer runs out) Right, I have this, but this is a compromise. Anyway, back to Powerbooks! Aron -- Aron Nelson - [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keyboards, Computers, Pianist, Guitar My Stompbox Page: http://surf.to/stompbox, http://firebottle.net/stompbox -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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On to another topic! Would I be better off using a remote FireWire HD or using the one in my Pismo/400 for digital capture? If a remote, should I use the FireWire port or a PC Card adapter for FireWire for the fastest transfer? Tom -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Mr. Jeff Lentz, Thank you for the site reference of www.dpreview. I just spent a half an hour (with many more to come) viewing this site. Thank you! Just an aside (you probably already know this), If you put the full web address in, it becomes an active clickable link, as... http://www.dpreview.com Again, thank you for an enjoyable site. With respect John McKee Jeff Lentz wrote: I also highly recommend www.dpreview.com (no association with me whatsoever). It's a very comprehensive site for digital camera information. - Jeff Lentz Jeff Lentz wrote: I also highly recommend www.dpreview.com (no association with me whatsoever). It's a very comprehensive site for digital camera information. - Jeff Lentz -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Also, use the paper made my the manufacturer of your printer to get the best results from your setup. Tom The trick to getting really good photos is to use photo-quality paper. I have an Epson Stylus 650 (originally $79, got it free in a bundle), but I use genuine Epson glossy photo paper ($0.50/sheet) and tinker with the many photo-compensation settings in the printer driver to get some really decent-looking shots. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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On Sunday, April 14, 2002 10:39 PM, Luca Rescigno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- I'm looking to get a digital camera, but I'm not sure what's good considering how many different models are out there. I'm willing to spend no more than $300, so what could I get in that price range that would work with FireWire (I have a Wallstreet 233 with a FireWire cardbus)? You might want to check out this great digital camera site: DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHY REVIEW. Has lots of info. This is their general URL: http://www.dpreview.com/ This is their review URL: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare.asp Good luck. Gene -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
-- I'm looking to get a digital camera, but I'm not sure what's good considering how many different models are out there. I'm willing to spend no more than $300, so what could I get in that price range that would work with FireWire (I have a Wallstreet 233 with a FireWire cardbus)? I'm not sure what you want here, a firewire enabled camcorder, of which there are many. Or a digital camera, of which I am not sure any come with a firewire port. Assuming it is a digital camera you seek, look for one that uses a compact flash memory card, and just get a pcmcia adapter. I have found some of the best camera reviews on this website http://www.steves-digicam.com. Very thorough reviews. Prices can sometimes be out of date though. Your best bet is to find the features that are most important, then narrow down the field to your price range. You should be able to find at least a 2 megapixel camera for that price. Also, a quick check on the computer geeks web site revealed this camera http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=MDC3000 for $199.00. I don't know anything about the mustek camera, but I have used there scanners before. They're ok, not the highest quality, but they get the job done. Lee -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Hello, Make sure to consider what you want to do with your photos. If you plan to make prints, you'll want to get the best resolution you can for your money. I use mine solely for sending via email or to use on web pages. I got the low-end Sony (DSC-20, I think), and it's been great. It has a USB cable to connect it directly to my iBook. Since I have OS X and iPhoto, as soon as I plug in the cable, iPhoto fires up and is ready to go. The LCD screen on the cam is among the best I've seen. Even friends with more expensive digital cameras like the screen on mine better than their own. Like another poster said, FireWire still cams are a rarity and is usually reserved for digital video cams. However you can get a FireWire digital video cam with the ability to take still photos. Have fun, Philip -- I'm looking to get a digital camera, but I'm not sure what's good considering how many different models are out there. I'm willing to spend no more than $300, so what could I get in that price range that would work with FireWire (I have a Wallstreet 233 with a FireWire cardbus)? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
Luca, I love my Coolpix 800 and there are some refurbished models left at www.abesofmaine.com--they come with a 90 day warentee and cost around $230- It is a 2.11 megapixel camera and that is a pretty good size. Also, check out www.dpreview.com- it is a great digital camera review site! Ed Zelinsky Luca Rescigno wrote: -- I'm looking to get a digital camera, but I'm not sure what's good considering how many different models are out there. I'm willing to spend no more than $300, so what could I get in that price range that would work with FireWire (I have a Wallstreet 233 with a FireWire cardbus)? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
On 15/04/02 11:22, patrick fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am on my third digital camera. It is a Fuji 4700 and I absolutely love it. It has a lot of great, fine features. They have it at computergeeks for $339 and it is USB, though. And it has an optical zoom. Very sweet camera. And it records movies!!! I think you can still get $20 off if you put Geek4700 in the specials box when you order. I would suggest at least 2.1 megapixel. At the very least. The price of cameras shoots up when you add an optical zoom onto it. You pay through the nose for that feature. Any most digital camera is good. What you should look for is features and cost. And there are excellent review sites on the internet. Find a camera and go to Google and type review and there are a handful of excellent camera review sites. When I see the ongoing prices for digital cameras, it strikes me that something is still wrong. To get a good camera, not even matching a good SLR, you will pay the price that you would pay for an advanced-amateur/pro SLR. $1000 will almost get you the Minolta Maxxum 9, the top of the line at Minolta, or a very nice Nikon N90. To get similar result of those of a SLR, you would have to plunk over $5000. I don't know, maybe I'm not getting it, but still, you would think that digital cameras should be cheaper than SLR, since they have far less mobile parts that require precision engineering (like with a 1/12000th exposure). Just a thought... -Laurent. -- = Laurent Daudelin Developer, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Washington, DC, USA ** Usual disclaimers apply ** BUAG // n.: [abbreviation, from alt.fan.warlord] Big Ugly ASCII Graphic. Pejorative term for ugly ASCII art, especially as found in sig blocks. For some reason, mutations of the head of Bart Simpson are particularly common in the least imaginative sig blocks. See warlording. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Good point. I wonder what the answer is to that. They should be cheaper. Maybe it is the CCD that costs so much. Still, I don't think they should cost as much as they do. On the other hand, prices are plummeting year by year. I don't know, maybe I'm not getting it, but still, you would think that digital cameras should be cheaper than SLR, since they have far less mobile parts that require precision engineering (like with a 1/12000th exposure). Just a thought... -Lau -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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on 4/15/02 11:22 AM, patrick fisher at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am on my third digital camera. It is a Fuji 4700 and I absolutely love it. I have the Fuji 2600 and I also love it. GREAT 2.1 megapixel photo quality, 3x optical zoom, 16 meg card, rechargeable batteries AND charger all for $279. Price performance ration is very solid here. It's a little plastic feeling and the sliding lens cover is slightly annoying but these are minor gripes. Brian -- 12) Ignoranus: A person who's both stupid and an asshole. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 09:54 , lee wrote: -- I'm looking to get a digital camera, but I'm not sure what's good considering how many different models are out there. I'm willing to spend no more than $300, so what could I get in that price range that would work with FireWire (I have a Wallstreet 233 with a FireWire cardbus)? http:///www.megapixel.net is a good source for reviews, and http://www.buydig.com has some of the best prices. look on http://www.pricewatch.com for price comparisons. I had a Kodak DC3400 before upgrading to an Olympus C-3030. The DC-3400 was about $250 the last I looked and is a decent, easy-to-use camera. It only supports JPEG compression, though. The DC-3400 has its flaws, but it makes a great first camera. GmG -- Nothing good comes from the earth anymore. -Jet Black, Cowboy Bebop, 2071 -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Laurent Daudelin wrote: When I see the ongoing prices for digital cameras, it strikes me that something is still wrong. To get a good camera, not even matching a good SLR, you will pay the price that you would pay for an advanced-amateur/pro SLR. $1000 will almost get you the Minolta Maxxum 9, the top of the line at Minolta, or a very nice Nikon N90. To get similar result of those of a SLR, you would have to plunk over $5000. I don't know, maybe I'm not getting it, but still, you would think that digital cameras should be cheaper than SLR, since they have far less mobile parts that require precision engineering (like with a 1/12000th exposure). Five magic words for you, Laurent: What the market will bear While the CCD chips on these cameras are expensive, particularly the larger ones, accounting for a goodly portion of the final cost, a lot of the pricing is that the demand for digital cameras is very high, which keeps prices up. There's also the relentless pace of technological innovation in digicams. A state of the art digicam two years ago was 2 megapixels. Today it's 5 or higher. These companies cannot economically sell these older cameras like they can, say an EOS body which has been made with few changes for what, a decade or more? These are all new electronics, mechanicals, and assembly lines. Finally, there's the question of the rest of their camera lines. 35mm and APS film use nearly the same size negative, at least compared to the CCD chips in most consumer digicams. http://www.minoxlab.com/Don_Krehbiel/mpl/dknegsiz.htm shows the negative size of various film formats. Let's take, for example, my latest digicam lust object, the Canon Proshot 90is (Because of it's gorgeous,long, bright zoom lens.) it's ccd chip is 8.1 x 6.4 mm. (2140 x 1560 total pixels, 3.34 Mpx). At equivalent resolution, a 35mm frame (24 x 36 mm) is 9510 x 5850 pixels or *55.6* megapixels... That means digital cameras can't use the same optics and mechanicals as their established, amortized 35mm and APS production lines. A smaller 'negative' means that a shorter focal length lens is required to give the equivalent performance. CCD chips are finally approaching the size of 35 mm and aps negatives. This means two things: Big Honkin' File sizes: a 56 megapixel image is huge. A raw 56 Mpx image at 24bit color is 160 megabytes in sizesuddenly that IBM 1G microdrive looks like the 8 mb card that came with my little camera...it'll hold 6 shots. The camera makers will be able to leverage their investment in 35 mm and APS tooling and optics, which, in theory, should bring down prices and improve performance. This is years down the line, though, IMO...there are a lot of other stumbling blocks, like moving that much data around in a timely fashion, compressing it in camera (which they'll have to do, and mild JPEG compression does wonders for camera card file size!) and storing it, all without something like a belt-fed battery compartment spitting dead AA cells out the side like a machine gun...;-) -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
Since we are on the subject of Olympus cameras, I've found this on www.macdeals.com The D-360 and 370 are excellent budget cameras... Olympus D-370L 1.3M digicam for $95 after coupon 11:49 am OfficeMax.com and OfficeMax retail stores offer the Olympus D-370L 1.3-megapixel digital camera for $119.98. Use a $25 off $100 coupon if available to you to knock the net price to $94.98. With free shipping, it's the lowest total price we've seen on this camera. Features include 1.5-inch LCD, 1280x960 resolution, 4x digital zoom, 2MB internal memory, and USB connectivity. Just to add my experience to the pot. I have been using an Olympus dl360 for a couple of years $300. Not super high res or firewire, (but quick to download with a USB reader - $40.) Does everything I need - ebay pix, emailable JPEGs for friends, super closeups to 4 inches and macro even closer when needed; good battery service on 4 rechargeable AA's. The camera can also be plugged directly into a TV and do its own slideshow very elegantly. You can probably find this camera used for bupkis or only a bit more -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
1.3 Megapixels, I feel, is not good enough for average photograhy. For web stuff, fine. 2.1 is kind of a minimum, I feel, to decent photography. Still, I should get this camera for my daughter. P Vic Viet Duong wrote: Since we are on the subject of Olympus cameras, I've found this on www.macdeals.com The D-360 and 370 are excellent budget cameras... Olympus D-370L 1.3M digicam for $95 after coupon 11:49 am OfficeMax.com and OfficeMax retail stores offer the Olympus D-370L 1.3-megapix -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
1.3 Megapixels, I feel, is not good enough for average photograhy. For web stuff, fine. 2.1 is kind of a minimum, I feel, to decent photography. The weird part is that I have seen 1.3 megapixel pictures printed out that are great. I wonder how they do that?? I have a 2 megapixel camera and it's ok. I have seen some nice 1 MP pictures though. Aron -- --- Aron Nelson Audio Bytes Corporation 1050 Queen Street #300 Honolulu, HI 96814 808-589-2727 FAX:808-589-2626 -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
My first digital camera was the old Apple QuickTake 7 years ago. The resolution was 600x800, not even 1 megapixel. I was able to use it to print fairly large architectural pictures of my models in college. As Bruce mentioned, it's the optics, AND it's the skills of the user that determines good pictures. I still use my old quicktake for quick web pics. We use an old 1.3 MP D-360 in the office for site photos and it still takes great pictures. So if 1.3MP good enough for a graphic design firm, then its good enough for most people. The whole megapixel issue is kind of like the Mac/PC Mhz myth. Buy a quality camera over quantity. But most important, have fun with your new camera! Vic Duong 1.3 Megapixels, I feel, is not good enough for average photograhy. For web stuff, fine. 2.1 is kind of a minimum, I feel, to decent photography. The weird part is that I have seen 1.3 megapixel pictures printed out that are great. I wonder how they do that?? I have a 2 megapixel camera and it's ok. I have seen some nice 1 MP pictures though. Aron -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
Thought I'd throw my two cents in as I just went through buying a new camera. I settled on the 2.1 megapixel Canon A40, which I found online for $258 (though with $20 shipping). I was a journalist just long enough to know optics are important, and so I went with the Canon. It's an actual camera company and the camera reviewed well on the sites already mentioned on the list. I also recommend thinking through the memory card issue and the battery issue. Another thing the Canon had going for it was AA batteries, as opposed to some of the camera-specific ones some companies use. I bought some rechargeables and can always use regular AAs in a pinch. It uses Compact Flash, though it only comes with a 8MB card -- good for only a few photos. I got a 128MB card at Sam's Club for $54. So the ancillary things ate up near another $100 after I got the camera. The shots I've taken so far are very sharp and up clear. Camera's easy to use works with my USB well. The A-30 is a 1.3 megapixel version of the same camera; don't know the price. Last recommendation: go to pricescan.com and pricegrabber.com to research the costs. They saved me $20. Thanks, joe f. -- Joseph Ferrare [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.mac.com/jferrare/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
On 4/15/02 6:43 PM, (G-Books) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking to get a digital camera, but I'm not sure what's good considering how many different models are out there. I'm willing to spend no more than $300, so what could I get in that price range that would work with FireWire (I have a Wallstreet 233 with a FireWire cardbus)? I have bought two of the HP Photosmart 318 digital cameras. You can pick them up at CompUSA for $199, and online for cheaper. I bought mine, and liked it so much, and is so easy to use with iPhoto that I had my wife pick one up for herself so she can email me pictures without having to use conventional film and scanner. It's a 2.3 Megapixel, USB connected camera. Has built in 8 Megs (113 pictures low setting/8 on high) with a slot for a CF card. http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product%5Fcode=287265csea rch= for details. Normally I just use it on the cheapest quality (one star) because all my pictures usually get emailed out, and I don't plan on ever printing them. When I do plan on a printing, I change it to the highest quality, and it prints out very well. Looks like a real picture. Hope this helps. -- Walt Basil [EMAIL PROTECTED] MS Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Good, inexpensive digital camera
-- I'm looking to get a digital camera, but I'm not sure what's good considering how many different models are out there. I'm willing to spend no more than $300, so what could I get in that price range that would work with FireWire (I have a Wallstreet 233 with a FireWire cardbus)? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
