Re: apple mail

[Marcin Wichary]

OK, I did not try throwing away the mail preferences, can some one 
give me instructions on how to do that.
1) go to your home directory
2) go to Library/Preferences
3) delete (or better yet, move to a safer place, say your home dir) the 
file named com.apple.mail.plist

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Re: apple mail

[robert stiefvater]

I'm running OS 10.3.7 and it shows mail as 18Mb, 24Mb on disk.
Time to re-install the mail app.
Probably wouldn't hurt, but mine is the same size as Jim's (5 MB on
disk, 4,085,684, version 1.3.9, Panther 10.3.7), a far cry from 18 MB.
Mine says  5meg also the other day I was having trouble with it not
launching very fast off the dock it was a t lest 30 to 45 sec.  so
through away my mail  preference  that did the trick
OK, I did not try throwing away the mail preferences, can some one give 
me instructions on how to do that.

My mail application version 1.2.5 , shows 15.6 MB. on my IBook 
G3-800mhz.

Is there away to connect the 2 computers together and drag my mail 
application to the other computer?

Thanks, bob
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Re: apple mail

[Marcin Wichary]

If you don't use the other languages all they do is take up space on 
your HD.
There is a program to remove these extraneous languages, called 
Delocalizer. It can remove all the unnecessary files from all over the 
system with just a couple of clicks.

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Re: apple mail

[Clark Martin]

At 8:22 PM -0500 1/10/05, Al Poulin wrote:
Clark Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I just looked inside my copy (18Mb).  Big surprise as to why it's so
large, it has the full language support installed.  This is a new
machine with the original Apple OS install plus one update.  Each
language resource folder is 1.3 Mb or so.

I started using OS X about three months ago, still a raw newbie 
here.  I did the Easy Install of OS X 10.3 off a retail CD, upgraded 
to 10.3.7.  Mail is v1.3.9 and, like Clark Martin reported 
initially, the Size info is 24 MB on disk (18,020,887 bytes).

Three questions:  Why the 6 MB difference in the info?  How/where do 
you find the language resource folders?  Any harm in letting the 
non-English folders sit there?
The 6Mb difference is do to lots and lots of files (4000+), many are 
small.  If a file takes up 3000 bytes it is allocated 4096 bytes on 
disk.  Multiply that by many files and you end up with a fair bit of 
unused disk space.

The Mail Application is really a "Package".  Simply put a package is 
a folder with assorted sub folders and files.  The system knows about 
packages and normally displays them as an Application.  You can look 
inside by holding down the control key as you click on one.  A 
contextual menu comes up, select Show Package Contents.  It will open 
the Package folder and you can look around inside like any other 
folder.  I caution you about changing anything inside however, it 
could royally mess up the program.  If you are familiar with ResEdit, 
it is the OS X equivalent.

If you don't use the other languages all they do is take up space on your HD.
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Re: apple mail

[Al Poulin]

Clark Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
At 8:00 AM -0700 1/10/05, R Michael Vogt wrote:
On Jan 10, 2005, at 7:47 AM, Marcin Wichary wrote:
I'm running OS 10.3.7 and it shows mail as 18Mb, 24Mb on disk.
Time to re-install the mail app.
Probably wouldn't hurt, but mine is the same size as Jim's (5 MB on
disk, 4,085,684, version 1.3.9, Panther 10.3.7), a far cry from 18
MB.
Mine says  5meg also the other day I was having trouble with it not
launching very fast off the dock it was a t lest 30 to 45 sec.  so
through away my mail  preference  that did the trick
I just looked inside my copy (18Mb).  Big surprise as to why it's so
large, it has the full language support installed.  This is a new
machine with the original Apple OS install plus one update.  Each
language resource folder is 1.3 Mb or so.

I started using OS X about three months ago, still a raw newbie here.  
I did the Easy Install of OS X 10.3 off a retail CD, upgraded to 
10.3.7.  Mail is v1.3.9 and, like Clark Martin reported initially, the 
Size info is 24 MB on disk (18,020,887 bytes).

Three questions:  Why the 6 MB difference in the info?  How/where do 
you find the language resource folders?  Any harm in letting the 
non-English folders sit there?

thanks,
Al Poulin
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proactive self-defense is for the rest of us.

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Re: apple mail

[Clark Martin]

At 8:00 AM -0700 1/10/05, R Michael Vogt wrote:
On Jan 10, 2005, at 7:47 AM, Marcin Wichary wrote:
I'm running OS 10.3.7 and it shows mail as 18Mb, 24Mb on disk.
Time to re-install the mail app.
Probably wouldn't hurt, but mine is the same size as Jim's (5 MB on 
disk, 4,085,684, version 1.3.9, Panther 10.3.7), a far cry from 18 
MB.

Mine says  5meg also the other day I was having trouble with it not 
launching very fast off the dock it was a t lest 30 to 45 sec.  so 
through away my mail  preference  that did the trick
I just looked inside my copy (18Mb).  Big surprise as to why it's so 
large, it has the full language support installed.  This is a new 
machine with the original Apple OS install plus one update.  Each 
language resource folder is 1.3 Mb or so.
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Re: apple mail

[R Michael Vogt]

On Jan 10, 2005, at 7:47 AM, Marcin Wichary wrote:
I'm running OS 10.3.7 and it shows mail as 18Mb, 24Mb on disk.
Time to re-install the mail app.
Probably wouldn't hurt, but mine is the same size as Jim's (5 MB on 
disk, 4,085,684, version 1.3.9, Panther 10.3.7), a far cry from 18 MB.

Mine says  5meg also the other day I was having trouble with it not 
launching very fast off the dock it was a t lest 30 to 45 sec.  so 
through away my mail  preference  that did the trick

Michael & Sharon  Vogt <><
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Re: apple mail

[Dennis B. Swaney]

At 3:47 PM +0100 1/10/05, Marcin Wichary wrote:
I'm running OS 10.3.7 and it shows mail as 18Mb, 24Mb on disk.
Time to re-install the mail app.
Probably wouldn't hurt, but mine is the same size as Jim's (5 MB on 
disk, 4,085,684, version 1.3.9, Panther 10.3.7), a far cry from 18 
MB.
Mine is almost identical to Marcin's except that rather than 
4,085,684 Bytes, mine reads 4,087,667. But what's 1,983 Bytes in the 
great scheme of things?
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Re: apple mail

[Marcin Wichary]

I'm running OS 10.3.7 and it shows mail as 18Mb, 24Mb on disk.
Time to re-install the mail app.
Probably wouldn't hurt, but mine is the same size as Jim's (5 MB on 
disk, 4,085,684, version 1.3.9, Panther 10.3.7), a far cry from 18 MB.

 Marcin Wichary
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Re: apple mail

[Clark Martin]

At 5:44 PM -0600 1/9/05, robert stiefvater wrote:
I am trying to help another guy who has a powerbook with OS 10.3 on 
it.  When attempting to use the mail application, nothing happens. 
It just won't open.
I did a find command which shows it as being on the hard drive and 
command I , which shows about 3mg in size but can not get it do do 
anything.

I have tried repairing permissions and have also run techtools with 
out any luck.
I do not have the original OS 10.3 to do a reinstall.
I'm running OS 10.3.7 and it shows mail as 18Mb, 24Mb on disk.
Time to re-install the mail app.
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Re: apple mail

[Jim Dynes]

My copy of Mail shows 5 megs???
Jim
On Jan 9, 2005, at 4:44 PM, robert stiefvater wrote:
I am trying to help another guy who has a powerbook with OS 10.3 on 
it.  When attempting to use the mail application, nothing happens.  It 
just won't open.
I did a find command which shows it as being on the hard drive and 
command I , which shows about 3mg in size but can not get it do do 
anything.

I have tried repairing permissions and have also run techtools with 
out any luck.
I do not have the original OS 10.3 to do a reinstall.

Anybody have other ideas?

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Re: Apple Mail

[Andrew]

Never tried it.  Whenever possible I like to take a minimalist approach to
what I put on my computers.  SBC Yahoo has pretty good spam filtering at the
server level, and then I use Entourage for my business accounts and Apple
Mail for my personal accounts (I like to keep them so TOTALLY separate) on
Macintosh, or Outlook 2000 (no filtering) for business and Mozilla
Thunderbird (personal - much more spam to filter) on my Windows machine.

Andrew

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To: G-Books
Subject: Re: Apple Mail

Andrew F. said:

>Where the older Entourage cannot compete
>with Mail is in spam filtering, which is much improved in Entourage 2004.

SpamSieve fixes that.


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Re: Apple Mail

[Mikael Byström]

Andrew F. said:

>Where the older Entourage cannot compete
>with Mail is in spam filtering, which is much improved in Entourage 2004.

SpamSieve fixes that.


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Re: M$ Office was, Re: Apple Mail

[Bruce Johnson]

On Sunday, December 26, 2004, at 11:01 AM, David Lesher wrote:
What I don't grasp is Apple's seeming indifference to the clear 
alterative: Open Office.

I use OO on other platforms, and where I must use a Word-ish product; 
it's the clear choice. [I prefer WordPerfect, and use it more, but > that
is a side issue..]

The major trouble with OO on OSX is it does not run under Aqua, 
requiring X11. That means a jolting exception in areas such as key 
assigments, a hassle starting it, eyc.

See NeoOffice  ;-) just released in beta 
form, it's OO 1.1.3 ported to Mac-nativeness. I recommend it.

I can't see why Apple is not providing the OO folks the resources they
need to get a native OO port going now, not in a few years.
Because they may not wish to compete head-on with Microsoft just yet? 
How did that ol' Jim Croce song go? "You don't tug on Superman's cape, 
you don't spit into the wind..." :-/

An Apple-branded OO suite would be seen as a direct threat to MS 
Office, and give OO a lot more credibility than it does right now.

If MS drops Mac Office, it would severely hurt Apple's chances (slim as 
they are now) in the corporate and government arena. Hell, no MS Office 
would kill the Mac just about everywhere, due to the myopia and abject 
subjugation of the IT world by MS, and both Apple and Microsoft know 
this. You're not going to see a dime of Apple support go to OO.

Microsoft has Apple over, what is it? Yeah, a barrel...
Keynote isn't a threat because no one, NO ONE buys just Powerpoint. 
Office is the program...MS knows they have a lock on the market, and 
that is a huge club to hold over Apple's head.

Enough changes were introduced in Office 2003 that OS X Office 2001 
wasn't completely compatible...we get sent PP files of professor's 
lectures to convert to PDF and put up for our students; I got several 
this year that didn't properly convert (fonts all wrong, in the wrong 
places, elements were missing, etc) so I had to go find a PC with 
Office 2003 on it to convert them properly.

To be fair, MS did the same thing to all of their Office 2002 users on 
the PC too, part of their "you're merely paying rent on this stuff" 
forced upgrade treadmill. I gotta get Office 2004 just for this crap.

(Oddly enough, though, it's only the PC using faculty that make us do 
the conversions...every one of the Mac using profs are quite conversant 
with making PDF files, setting them up the way they want, etc...they 
even listen to use and tell us what folders they're in on the servers, 
so we can just copy them to the web server rather than email us these 
giant 25 and 30 meg attached PP files.

Yes Virginia, Mac users ARE more intelligent...)
But MS'es over-arching strategy is to keep any and all competition 
confined to the FUD-o-sphere (look, for example, at their current 
campaign against Linux) or undercut it out of the market, like they did 
to Word Perfect.

Microsoft has also had the good fortune of having competitors routinely 
shoot themselves in the foot with Mac-10's. Witness the decline and 
fall of Word Perfect.

Sure it's still around, and I'll even bet they have a few percent of 
the market, but they were once head-to-head competitors with MS Word, 
like Illustrator versus Freehand.  Then came Novell's disastrous run at 
unseating MS as king of the OS hill. Novell got crushed, WP got sold to 
Corel which has been the burial grounds for so many useful programs 
that their stock symbol should be DED, and we all know what's happened 
since.

Witness what happened with Netscape. They stumbled with NS 3 and IE got 
a head start it never gave up, not the least of which it was free 
(though to be frank, I've never met anyone who actually bought 
Netscape...).

Notice where MS is quiet...SQL server is widely seen in the industry as 
merely a step up from Access; it's mainly used as an embedded sql 
engine in other products; Oracle, Sybase, and DB2 are all effective 
competitors on the higher end.

IIS is used in a lot of places, but influential people are tiring of 
the continual security hassles of IIS as a web server; pache still has 
a LOT of installations, and the above competitors: Oracle, Sybase and 
IBM all use Apache severs as their embedded Web servers. Apache 
accounts for greater than 50% of all web servers.

MS is losing in the overall back-end server market, too, though they 
still have the large lead they built up crushing Novell, Linux servers 
are proliferating in the server closets and once Mozilla's Sunbird 
scheduling and calendaring project is ready for prime time, that'll be 
a drop in, free replacement for Exchange. That's dangerous, because a 
lot of people are warming to Firefox and Thunderbird browsers and mail.

At some point corporate folks are finally going to notice that they're 
sending wads of cash to MS when they could be keeping a lot by using 
OSS components.

Then an Apple-branded OO will fly.
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Re: M$ Office was, Re: Apple Mail

[Timothy Luoma]

On Dec 26, 2004, at 1:10 PM, Andrew F. wrote:
Perhaps because OpenOffice is not the "Clear Alternative" as you state 
it
is.
and perhaps part of the reason is that it would hurt Office:Mac, which 
would hurt Mac users if Microsoft decided to drop it.

I prefer WordPerfect, and probably always will, but I'm getting used to 
Word for Mac and may actually like it someday.

OpenOffice, to me, has all the problems of Word and none of the 
advantages, except for being free.

As others have said, compatibility is important, and Word does it 
better.

That said, OOo has been known to work better with MS than MS when 
dealing with different versions:

http://diveintomark.org/archives/2004/04/06/interoperability
I hope OOo will one day be a better option, but for now, Word is the 
best choice for me, regardless of who makes it.

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Re: M$ Office was, Re: Apple Mail

[Andrew F.]

Perhaps because OpenOffice is not the "Clear Alternative" as you state it
is.  I tried it, and like any other "Word Alternative" it requires
converstion to and from the .doc format, which introduces all sorts of
formatting problems in both directions.  Even if it was slick, polished and
OS X native, Word would still be the only game in town for working with
complex documents that actually are shared with the outside world.

There are plenty of programs out there that are nicer than Word, faster,
easier to use and even more powerful, but none of that matters when you are
forced to spend 30 minutes reformatting a document after the import
translator messes it up.

Andrew


On 12/26/04 10:01 AM, "David Lesher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> What I don't grasp is Apple's seeming indifference to the clear
> alterative: Open Office.
> 
> I use OO on other platforms, and where I must use a Word-ish product;
> it's the clear choice. [I prefer WordPerfect, and use it more, but that
> is a side issue..]
> 
> The major trouble with OO on OSX is it does not run under Aqua,
> requiring X11. That means a jolting exception in areas such as key
> assigments, a hassle starting it, eyc.
> 
> I can't see why Apple is not providing the OO folks the resources they
> need to get a native OO port going now, not in a few years.



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M$ Office was, Re: Apple Mail

[David Lesher]

What I don't grasp is Apple's seeming indifference to the clear 
alterative: Open Office.

I use OO on other platforms, and where I must use a Word-ish product; 
it's the clear choice. [I prefer WordPerfect, and use it more, but that
is a side issue..]

The major trouble with OO on OSX is it does not run under Aqua, 
requiring X11. That means a jolting exception in areas such as key 
assigments, a hassle starting it, eyc.

I can't see why Apple is not providing the OO folks the resources they
need to get a native OO port going now, not in a few years.
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Re: Apple Mail

[Hal]

There is a free update for Entourage in Office v.X to allow integration 
with an Exchange server. My company does not use  pop-based email, so I 
was able to download the update and use this version of Entourage. I'm 
planning to switch to Office 2004, as soon as I get used to the new 
version/interface.

-Hal
On Dec 26, 2004, at 10:14 AM, Andrew F. wrote:
Entourage in Office v.X does not group emails with documents by 
project, but
there is a free (I think on Microsoft's Mac website, perhaps hidden on 
the
CD) conduit for Entourage to Palm.  Where the older Entourage cannot 
compete
with Mail is in spam filtering, which is much improved in Entourage 
2004.

Andrew
On 12/26/04 9:08 AM, "Donald Keenan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Apple Mail does not have the above problem, but it still won't
integrate my
email, calendar and to-do lists, sync with my Palm and even integrate
with
Word, Excel and PowerPoint by grouping related documents and emails
together
as Entourage does.

I have the original version of Office v. Mac. Do you all think
Entourage in that version might be worth switching to from Mail App or
is it only the 2004 edition that seems worth it?
We have an Exchange Server for our mail at work (LOTS of spam) and I'm
going to inherit a Pocket PC with a wireless card. I read mail
remotely on my Mac via my browser, but I'm wondering if anyone thinks
Apple will ever provide the integration some folk need. Or does the MS
platform have a complete hold on this kind of integration for the
immediate future?
Donald

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Re: Apple Mail

[Andrew F.]

2001 is likely an Outlook port.  I know it doesn't have spam filtering as
nobody really did back then.  Still, almost all malware is written for
Windows, so even if something does get it, chances are it won't work.

Andrew


On 12/26/04 9:24 AM, "PETE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Talking of Entourage, how does the the version found
> in Office 2001 compare to the latest version (I mean
> are there any security issues? Kyle said there are no
> security issues with entourage - does this apply to
> the 2001 entourage?). I'm running OS 9.2.2 in my
> wallstreet and 9.0.4 in my 7600/G3.
> --- Donald Keenan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> Apple Mail does not have the above problem, but it
>> still won't 
>>> integrate my
>>> email, calendar and to-do lists, sync with my Palm
>> and even integrate
>>> with
>>> Word, Excel and PowerPoint by grouping related
>> documents and emails
>>> together
>>> as Entourage does.
>>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Apple Mail

[PETE]

Talking of Entourage, how does the the version found
in Office 2001 compare to the latest version (I mean
are there any security issues? Kyle said there are no
security issues with entourage - does this apply to
the 2001 entourage?). I'm running OS 9.2.2 in my
wallstreet and 9.0.4 in my 7600/G3.
--- Donald Keenan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> > Apple Mail does not have the above problem, but it
> still won't 
> > integrate my
> > email, calendar and to-do lists, sync with my Palm
> and even integrate 
> > with
> > Word, Excel and PowerPoint by grouping related
> documents and emails 
> > together
> > as Entourage does.
> >




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Re: Apple Mail

[Andrew F.]

Entourage in Office v.X does not group emails with documents by project, but
there is a free (I think on Microsoft's Mac website, perhaps hidden on the
CD) conduit for Entourage to Palm.  Where the older Entourage cannot compete
with Mail is in spam filtering, which is much improved in Entourage 2004.

Andrew


On 12/26/04 9:08 AM, "Donald Keenan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
>> Apple Mail does not have the above problem, but it still won't
>> integrate my
>> email, calendar and to-do lists, sync with my Palm and even integrate
>> with
>> Word, Excel and PowerPoint by grouping related documents and emails
>> together
>> as Entourage does.
>> 
>> 
> 
> I have the original version of Office v. Mac. Do you all think
> Entourage in that version might be worth switching to from Mail App or
> is it only the 2004 edition that seems worth it?
> 
> We have an Exchange Server for our mail at work (LOTS of spam) and I'm
> going to inherit a Pocket PC with a wireless card. I read mail
> remotely on my Mac via my browser, but I'm wondering if anyone thinks
> Apple will ever provide the integration some folk need. Or does the MS
> platform have a complete hold on this kind of integration for the
> immediate future?
> 
> Donald
> 



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Re: Apple Mail

[Donald Keenan]

Apple Mail does not have the above problem, but it still won't 
integrate my
email, calendar and to-do lists, sync with my Palm and even integrate 
with
Word, Excel and PowerPoint by grouping related documents and emails 
together
as Entourage does.


I have the original version of Office v. Mac. Do you all think 
Entourage in that version might be worth switching to from Mail App or 
is it only the 2004 edition that seems worth it?

We have an Exchange Server for our mail at work (LOTS of spam) and I'm 
going to inherit a Pocket PC with a wireless card. I read mail  
remotely on my Mac via my browser, but I'm wondering if anyone thinks 
Apple will ever provide the integration some folk need. Or does the MS 
platform have a complete hold on this kind of integration for the 
immediate future?

Donald
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Re: Apple Mail

[Andrew F.]

Using Office on my Mac is not in any way a sell-out, and wanting to
streamline my work does not make me lazy.  Here is an example.

I have three word processors on my Mac, Word 2004, Nisus Express (my
favorite) and AppleWorks.  All three can open and save to MS Word format,
and for my own writing, Nisus is usually the choice.

However, and this is a very big however, I still use Word the most.  Word
opens Word documents natively, without need of translation, and saves them
natively as well.  When using any other program, unless I'm dealing with a
very simple document and no formatting, I always have need to make
corrections.  Complex formatting, tables, graphics, whatever, something
always gets lost or garbled in the translator, and whatever you or anyone
else says, I prefer to get my work done the first time, without having to
repair lost formatting first, and without forcing anyone who wants to view
my work on their computers (usually Windows PCs with Word 2000, XP or 2003)
to repair formatting due to my choice of a non-standard word processor.

Apple Mail does not have the above problem, but it still won't integrate my
email, calendar and to-do lists, sync with my Palm and even integrate with
Word, Excel and PowerPoint by grouping related documents and emails together
as Entourage does.

In short, I don't use Office 2004 because I like MS or want to give Bill my
money, I use it because it is by far the best office suite available for the
Mac, and it saves me time, time that I can spend with my family instead of
time reformatting documents.  It also makes a rather bad impression on
others when they are forced to do extra work because my documents open as
garbled gibberish, doing so it just plain rude.

Andrew


On 12/26/04 2:59 AM, "Geoffrey Loeffler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Next version no way. This Guy has over 30 Billion and growing. The
> paltry act of Office for the Mac is not going to give Bill a second of
> worry about money. However losing out on style, functionality and
> development of programs, that takes away from the glow of his empire,
> will give him a second thought, eliminate it. Remeber the Steve and
> Bill show has not been one of love and respect.
> 
> You do not understand men of power, they have money and all that comes
> with it, all that you could possibly dream of times a billion and still
> have 30 left. What feeds them is to destroy and conquer. Their ruthless
> and anything that would take away from their industrial image as being
> the elite, they will destroy. That's what get them off. Thats the drive
> of men who have power.
> 
> So Apple, the computer and software I prefer, should be planning for
> this day. There will be another type of Office for Mac, only it will
> not be from MS, the monopoly inquiry is over, MS won.
> 
> I support companies that do things right. I will pay more and work a
> bit harder on less robust software to give my money to the companies
> that support the Mac. I would not call MS a Mac supporter. Losing I.E.
> was but the first shot.  Adobe is getting restless.
> 
> So to everyone that loves Office great, you have your choice in life.
> Maybe it does make your job easier and you do not have to work as hard,
> a seemingly American trait.
> 
> I prefer the people who work harder to make the Mac survive, software
> and retail. Those folks bust their ass off on slim margins to make it
> work. They take chances in life, it makes you feel alive to do that. I
> can usually get hardware and software from the big retailers cheaper,
> especially shipping. However I am but 2% of their business.
> So I go to the smaller operations that just support the Mac, software
> and retail. There I get real people that understand what their selling
> and how it works, instead of just reading off a screen. I guess I have
> a choice too, until Bill has his dream fulfilled .
> 
> So enjoy Macs at home and keep the issue that Macs are not for business
> alive. I apologize as I really could not understand why people would
> think Macs are not serious computers and not for business. This is a
> huge wall to sales of Macs. If you have a thousand people on Macs but
> there running MS office, it still says to the workers, we have Apple
> computers but there is no software for the Mac. One of the workers
> wants a computer. I use Microsoft Office at work what kind of computer
> should I buy.
> Enjoy
> Geoff
> 
> On Dec 25, 2004, at 7:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> There will be another version of
>> Office for the simple reason that the Mac BU makes money which is the
>> only
>> thing that gets Bill off.
> 



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Re: Apple Mail

[Geoffrey Loeffler]

Next version no way. This Guy has over 30 Billion and growing. The 
paltry act of Office for the Mac is not going to give Bill a second of 
worry about money. However losing out on style, functionality and 
development of programs, that takes away from the glow of his empire, 
will give him a second thought, eliminate it. Remeber the Steve and 
Bill show has not been one of love and respect.

You do not understand men of power, they have money and all that comes 
with it, all that you could possibly dream of times a billion and still 
have 30 left. What feeds them is to destroy and conquer. Their ruthless 
and anything that would take away from their industrial image as being 
the elite, they will destroy. That's what get them off. Thats the drive 
of men who have power.

So Apple, the computer and software I prefer, should be planning for 
this day. There will be another type of Office for Mac, only it will 
not be from MS, the monopoly inquiry is over, MS won.

I support companies that do things right. I will pay more and work a 
bit harder on less robust software to give my money to the companies 
that support the Mac. I would not call MS a Mac supporter. Losing I.E. 
was but the first shot.  Adobe is getting restless.

So to everyone that loves Office great, you have your choice in life. 
Maybe it does make your job easier and you do not have to work as hard, 
a seemingly American trait.

I prefer the people who work harder to make the Mac survive, software 
and retail. Those folks bust their ass off on slim margins to make it 
work. They take chances in life, it makes you feel alive to do that. I 
can usually get hardware and software from the big retailers cheaper, 
especially shipping. However I am but 2% of their business.
So I go to the smaller operations that just support the Mac, software 
and retail. There I get real people that understand what their selling 
and how it works, instead of just reading off a screen. I guess I have 
a choice too, until Bill has his dream fulfilled .

So enjoy Macs at home and keep the issue that Macs are not for business 
alive. I apologize as I really could not understand why people would 
think Macs are not serious computers and not for business. This is a 
huge wall to sales of Macs. If you have a thousand people on Macs but 
there running MS office, it still says to the workers, we have Apple 
computers but there is no software for the Mac. One of the workers 
wants a computer. I use Microsoft Office at work what kind of computer 
should I buy.
Enjoy
Geoff

On Dec 25, 2004, at 7:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There will be another version of
Office for the simple reason that the Mac BU makes money which is the 
only
thing that gets Bill off.

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Re: Apple Mail

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On 12/24/04 3:12 PM, "Geoffrey Loeffler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The very people who could be helping shape the future of the Mac, at
> one of the best times I have seen Apple in the spotlight and be
> accepted  as a "real computer." Sit back and say this is the way it is,
> this is the way it stays, why change. So your influence of programs
> extends to your company computers and the people who use them. Yet post
> to Mac sites without a utterance of I called Apple and said or I wrote
> Apple and suggested a change. Just a lot of yelling and believing the
> benevolent Bill will come through with Office 07
>
I can't believe I wasted time trying to decipher this nonsense. If you are
an adult you need to return to school and learn how to write. If you are
still in school, when you return from holiday, beg for extra help. Should
your ravings have any value, once you can write, we'll be glad to respond.

As to your single coherent sentence: Do I believe in the benevolence of
Bill? Hell no. I believe in his greed. There will be another version of
Office for the simple reason that the Mac BU makes money which is the only
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Re: Apple Mail

[Timothy Luoma]

On Dec 24, 2004, at 3:12 PM, Geoffrey Loeffler wrote:
Change needs a voice
Yeah, but the voice needs to know how to spell & follow grammatical 
conventions to communicate effectively.

What you have to say might get more consideration if you took the time 
to get past the "d00d speak"

TjL
a firm believer in the "use what works best for you" approach to 
software

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Re: Apple Mail

[Clark Martin]

At 12:12 PM -0800 12/24/04, Geoffrey Loeffler wrote:
On Dec 24, 2004, at 4:25 AM, Tim Collier
Usually the people who start bashing a high end app suite are the ones who
don't have the $$$ to buy itor can't steal it!
Are we going to start bashing Photoshop next?
I have Internet Explorer and Office.  I prefer Safari and AppleWorks. 
(I also have Photoshop etc, I don't use it much, GraphicConverter is 
easier to use and does most of what I want.

So what do you want to do, compare portfolios, usually people who 
steal the high end Apps are the ones saying Not Me
While we are at it Adobe Acrobat 7 does leave features off the 
windoz version and screw them I will stay at 6.

Addressing the issue of MS no longer supporting Internet Explorerso
what!  Safari rocks!  MS knows that and methinks it's the reason that they
aren't moving on with IE.
I heard something to the effect that Microsoft is abandoning IE on 
the Mac because, according to them, Safari is an integral part of OS 
X and therefore another browser is pointless, unworkable, whatever. 
In other words it is a feeble attempt to support their contention 
that IE is an integral part of Windows and that other browsers should 
go away.

"Microsoft is for serious business work- I need to look 
professional, Macs are for artists to play on, Macs are not serious 
business computers, can't e-mail to Microsoft and everybody in 
business uses Microsoft, the different computers will not work 
together, everybody knows their is no software for the Mac. "
It's the "tell a lie long enough and it becomes the truth" theory.
--
Clark Martin
Redwood City, CA, USA
Macintosh / Internet Consulting
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Re: Apple Mail

[Tom Burke]

On 24 Dec 2004, at 19:39, G-Books wrote:
What are the major differences between Entourage and
Outlook Express? I have both but has never used
either. I've always used the mail application that
comes with netscape for my isp mail. What am I
missing?
TIA.
Pete.
Outlook Express implements the POP3 protocol only, as far as mail is 
concerned - it also implements the NNTP protocol for News. Thus an 
Outlook Express client can be used with an Exchange server, assuming 
the Exchange system has got its POP3 service turned on. They generally 
have, but not necessarily so.

Outlook (the full Outlook client on Windows boxes) is an implementation 
of the client end of Microsoft's MAPI protocol. Exchange server also 
uses this protocol (it's an application-level protocol, not a 
network-level protocol) so an Exchange server and an Outlook client 
talk MAPI to each other. This is a more feature-rich protocol than 
either POP3 or IMAP4. Thus when used with an Exchange server it is 
'better', ie more feature-rich. It also includes POP3 functionality, 
and if used with just a standard mail server (eg an ISP's mail server) 
probably uses just that, in which case it's not really any better than 
any other POP3 client.

Entourage can be regarded as an implementation of Outlook (not Outlook 
Express) on OS X.

Tom Burke
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Re: Apple Mail

[Geoffrey Loeffler]

On Dec 24, 2004, at 4:25 AM, Tim Collier

Usually the people who start bashing a high end app suite are the ones 
who
don't have the $$$ to buy itor can't steal it!
Are we going to start bashing Photoshop next?
So what do you want to do, compare portfolios, usually people who steal 
the high end Apps are the ones saying Not Me
While we are at it Adobe Acrobat 7 does leave features off the windoz 
version and screw them I will stay at 6.

Addressing the issue of MS no longer supporting Internet Explorerso
what!  Safari rocks!  MS knows that and methinks it's the reason that 
they
aren't moving on with IE.
Really wow did not know that one thanks
So what does "methinks" do when Microsoft says  Apple is improving 
Appleworks and it Rocks, so M$$ is not going to upgrade or build any 
Office products or scale it back for the Mac, not enough sales. I have 
read where the "Apple Group" is now not exactly the top spot at Gates 
University and getting the requirements needed for development, their 
not at the head of the class so to speak. I will bet you have seen  you 
last full release of Office for the Mac But no worries M$$ now owns VPC 
and that runs great, so if you get VPC you can run straight windoz 
office" That M$$ always thinking ahead for better products for the Mac

M$$ beats the lawsuits with a little window dressing, rubbing up to 
Apple, working "very hard" to build a version of Office for Mac X. 
After all Bill did say MS is a good company and competition is good for 
us, keeps us on the cutting edge."chuckles."

 So now all M$$ problems have vanished. They heavily gave to the 
incumbent chair warmer, so what's the advantage to Bill to keep putting 
out good Apple products, more money, fear of loss of integrity by the 
biggest killer of technology in the world.

Keep playing Siegfried and Roy and you just might be reading up on 
Windows more then you want

I did not say Office Sucks. I have to keep one scummy machine with it. 
I said, hold Apple to the fire for better software, that you IT guys, 
who I respected, have the power to say hey do it this way and it will 
work better and maybe it will bring some change. But it is very 
interesting to hear the input from you IT guys.

I always wondered how this list of phrases got started, the biggest 
road blocks I have heard to be associated with getting people to switch 
to Apple or getting their first computer and have it be an Apple. This 
is branded in there heads.

"Microsoft is for serious business work- I need to look professional, 
Macs are for artists to play on, Macs are not serious business 
computers, can't e-mail to Microsoft and everybody in business uses 
Microsoft, the different computers will not work together, everybody 
knows their is no software for the Mac. "

It's all bunk, but dragged in like the dirty coal on the miners clothes 
and just as deadly to have a reliance on one operating system as to 
breath the dust, it also seems that a few folks do not like M$$.

So the individuals buy windoz, unless you can unwrap what has been 
wrapped so very tightly by a sources that for the majority are probably 
working with what the Tech guy wants. He is the guru, so it slides 
downhill.

The very people who could be helping shape the future of the Mac, at 
one of the best times I have seen Apple in the spotlight and be 
accepted  as a "real computer." Sit back and say this is the way it is, 
this is the way it stays, why change. So your influence of programs 
extends to your company computers and the people who use them. Yet post 
to Mac sites without a utterance of I called Apple and said or I wrote 
Apple and suggested a change. Just a lot of yelling and believing the 
benevolent Bill will come through with Office 07

I think part of the problem is Microsoft = Job Security for tech.
I am to tired to hope every body who knows Bill gets a free copy of the 
new Office. Just don't whine when it's gone and there is no 
replacement. Change needs a voice

Geoff
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Re: Apple Mail

[Aaron Willems]

Dude,
Take a chill pill. I'm the biggest Mac fan on the planet. 
I even have my own website dedicated to my platform of 
choice. I have a G5 at home, that is completely Microsoft 
free. I keep all my Microsoft Applications on my G4 
PowerBook, which I use to access the office when I'm 
offsite.

Second, I don't use Exchange at the office. I set up an 
Email Server using Communigate Pro. It works like a champ. 
The reason why I think Microsoft Office 2004 kicks Ass, is 
that everyone at the Office loves it. When they found out 
they could set up a shared calendar in the Project Center, 
you don't know how happy that made them. It's my job to 
keep things running smoothly. If everyone at the office 
was using a different email client that wouldn't happen.

How many offices do you know that are 95% Mac based. I 
don't know of many. Only our Finance department has PC's, 
plus a few stragglers.

I'll leave it at that. Happy Holidays.
Take Care.
Aaron Willems
http://www.macmanifest.com

So if you are in a position of controlling over a 100 
Macs, which I honestly respect, get Apple on the phone, 
tell them the problems, maybe they have a solution you 
have not thought of. Your a player, they are at least 
going to listen or read your typed mail asking for an 
answer, probably even better approach.

As long as there are Tech people like you, who will not 
take Apple to the mat and demand the functionality you 
need to work in this, *Windows World* and just push aside 
Apple Mail or other Apple products, what are you doing ? 
Your just helping to cut the product share even more, 
when you have not even asked Apple about your problems. 
There might be solutions to what you need.

Your also telling 100 plus workers using Macs, Apple 
Mail is a failure. What does that say to your Mac users 
when it comes time to buy a computer and most people use 
them off work for, emailing and surfing. Well the tech 
guy at our company does not like Apple Mail says it does 
not do things right, Internet Explorer is not being 
updated, so guess we better get a Wintel.

When these 100 workers are asked by their friends, what 
computer they should buy, the workers are now the 
computer experts, their now the Tech guy, so from your 
influence against Mail it just blasts loud and clear 
Apple Mail is inferior, buy Wintel and it grows like a 
virus.

You have some juice use it. 100 computers will not get 
you a free ride on Steves Gulfstream, but they will 
listen.
That's the beauty of the Mac the software meshes with 
the hardware and no matter if there big or small. You 
plop a wad of  M$$ and it just puts FOD in your engine. 
Job security I guess
Geof

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Re: Apple Mail

[Dean]

Sorry
Don't mean to change gears hear, but
has anyone used Thunderbird? What do you
think about it?

Dean


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Re: Apple Mail

[Dennis B. Swaney]

At 8:16 AM -0800 12/24/04, PETE wrote:
What are the major differences between Entourage and
Outlook Express? I have both but has never used
either. I've always used the mail application that
comes with netscape for my isp mail. What am I
missing?

Outlook Express was just a basic email program.
Outlook itself is a Personal Information Manager (PIM) and contains 
email, contacts, calender, notes, plus a couple of more things.
Entourage is the renamed Outlook for Macintosh.

Apple Mail replaced Outlook Express for Macintosh.
I personally use Eudora as my email client. I've looked at Apple Mail 
but I don't like the way navigation works, and Eudora doesn't require 
the use of html in mail the way other email programs are starting to 
do.

Lastly, I ABHOR Microsoft; I have to use their crappy products every 
day at work! However, IF you require accessing a Microsoft Exchange 
Server, then Entourage is probably the way to go. If you do not 
require it, then what ever email program you are comfortable with is 
fine.
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Re: Apple Mail

[Donald Keenan]

On Friday, December 24, 2004, at 07:25 AM, Tim Collier wrote:
I'm really sorry if anybody gets "offended" by this but Office v.X was
pretty good and Office 2004 is VERY GOOD.

I think almost everyone loved MacBU for Office v. Mac from the 
beginning of OS X. Back when few applications were yet ported to OS X, 
Office was a shining exception. And it was always fun to know that Mac 
users had a better version of Office than Windows users. The exception 
being the mail application. It's good to know 2004 is even better!

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Re: Apple Mail

[Andrew F.]

I agree, Office 2004 is by far the best office suite I've ever used,
regardless of platform.  Entourage has grown from an also-ran in the 2001
version to pretty nice in v.X to, as described in a review on Mac360, "The
Best Email Program on the Planet".  I agree.

Andrew


On 12/24/04 4:25 AM, "Tim Collier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm really sorry if anybody gets "offended" by this but Office v.X was
> pretty good and Office 2004 is VERY GOOD.  Entourage is a totally integrated
> application:  mail, calendar, contacts and tons of options on how to use
> everything to the max.  I might add that there is a conduit included to sync
> Entourage with your PDA.
> While I still like Apple's Mail App and iCal and Address Book (all work
> really well).  Entourage has them all in one.
> Addressing the issue of MS no longer supporting Internet Explorerso
> what!  Safari rocks!  MS knows that and methinks it's the reason that they
> aren't moving on with IE.
> As for Office, nothing compares to it.  Certainly not AppleWorks!  And I
> know somebody is going to chime in about 'Open Office' or whatever it's
> called.it's slow and clumsy.
> Usually the people who start bashing a high end app suite are the ones who
> don't have the $$$ to buy itor can't steal it!
> Are we going to start bashing Photoshop next?
> 
> This email response is written using Entourage 2004 on a G4 iBook.
> 
> Tim
> On 12/24/04 2:45 AM, "Mark Philip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> On Dec 24, 2004, at PM 03:11, Geoffrey Loeffler wrote:
>> 
>>> You have some juice use it. 100 computers will not get you a free ride
>>> on Steves Gulfstream, but they will listen.
>>> That's the beauty of the Mac the software meshes with the hardware and
>>> no matter if there big or small. You  plop a wad of  M$$ and it just
>>> puts FOD in your engine. Job security I guess
>> 
>> Actually, Apple Mail (in Panther OS) *does* connect to Exchange Server.
>> Maybe that may be worth investigating...
>> 
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>> 



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Re: Apple Mail

[PETE]

What are the major differences between Entourage and
Outlook Express? I have both but has never used
either. I've always used the mail application that
comes with netscape for my isp mail. What am I
missing?
TIA.
Pete. 
--- Tim Collier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm really sorry if anybody gets "offended" by this
> but Office v.X was
> pretty good and Office 2004 is VERY GOOD.  Entourage
> is a totally integrated
> application:  mail, calendar, contacts and tons of
> options on how to use
> everything to the max.  I might add that there is a
> conduit included to sync
> Entourage with your PDA.
> While I still like Apple's Mail App and iCal and
> Address Book (all work
> really well).  Entourage has them all in one.
> Addressing the issue of MS no longer supporting
> Internet Explorerso
> what!  Safari rocks!  MS knows that and methinks
> it's the reason that they
> aren't moving on with IE.
> As for Office, nothing compares to it.  Certainly
> not AppleWorks!  And I
> know somebody is going to chime in about 'Open
> Office' or whatever it's
> called.it's slow and clumsy.
> Usually the people who start bashing a high end app
> suite are the ones who
> don't have the $$$ to buy itor can't steal it!
> Are we going to start bashing Photoshop next?
> 
> This email response is written using Entourage 2004
> on a G4 iBook.
> 
> Tim
> On 12/24/04 2:45 AM, "Mark Philip"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 




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Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. 
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Re: Apple Mail

[Steve Fuller]

Your also telling 100 plus workers using Macs, Apple Mail is a 
failure. What does that say to your Mac users when it comes time to 
buy a computer and most people use them off work for, emailing and 
surfing. Well the tech guy at our company does not like Apple Mail 
says it does not do things right, Internet Explorer is not being 
updated, so guess we better get a Wintel.
Well if you want integrated email, calendaring, to do lists, etc all in 
one application, then yes, Apple Mail is a failure, and Entourage is 
the choice to make. This is what a lot of BUSINESSES want or demand 
from their email product. I'm one of the tech guys at my company, and 
I'm also the one primarily responsible for email. Our messaging 
infrastructure is based on Exchange, and Apple's mail is not the client 
for me to use in that environment. OTOH, for my personal email at home, 
I use Apple Mail, even though I have Entourage installed on my 
PowerBook. I love Apple and their products, but in the business world 
it's the best tool for the best job. Apple Mail is a great basic email 
program, and personally I'd like it to continue to focus on that market 
rather than try and become an Entourage killer.

If your tech guy is basing his techology platform decisions solely off 
of the fact that he does not like Apple Mail, and that IE isn't being 
updated, then he should be fired, and you should find a competent 
replacement.

Steve
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Re: Apple Mail

[Rowan, Michael]

Yea. I'm having trouble figuring out how my choice to use entourage in going to 
send thousands flocking to wintel...but whatever.

This email written on my good technologies enabled treo, entourage and apple 
mail be damned!!




 -Original Message-
From:   sacredsystem [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:   Fri Dec 24 07:42:34 2004
To: G-Books
Subject:        Re: Apple Mail

Thus spoke Tim Collier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>12/24/04

>I'm really sorry if anybody gets "offended" by this but Office v.X was
>pretty good and Office 2004 is VERY GOOD.  Entourage is a totally 
>integrated
>application:  mail, calendar, contacts and tons of options on how to
use
>everything to the max.  I might add that there is a conduit included to 
>sync
>Entourage with your PDA.
>While I still like Apple's Mail App and iCal and Address Book (all work
>really well).  Entourage has them all in one.
>Addressing the issue of MS no longer supporting Internet Explorerso
>what!  Safari rocks!  MS knows that and methinks it's the reason that 
>they
>aren't moving on with IE.
>As for Office, nothing compares to it.  Certainly not AppleWorks!  And
I
>know somebody is going to chime in about 'Open Office' or whatever it's
>called.it's slow and clumsy.
>Usually the people who start bashing a high end app suite are the ones 
>who
>don't have the $$$ to buy itor can't steal it!
>Are we going to start bashing Photoshop next?
>
>This email response is written using Entourage 2004 on a G4 iBook.
lol...relax and calm down, we are not dealing with life and death
issues here. Use what you like and what works best for your needs.
Health and happiness to all, including Entourage users this holiday
season.

This email response was wriiten with Entourage and sent with Mailsmith
using my reliable and good friend G3 Pismo.






<>< sacredsystem ><>


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Re: Apple Mail

[sacredsystem]

Thus spoke Tim Collier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>12/24/04

>I'm really sorry if anybody gets "offended" by this but Office v.X was
>pretty good and Office 2004 is VERY GOOD.  Entourage is a totally 
>integrated
>application:  mail, calendar, contacts and tons of options on how to
use
>everything to the max.  I might add that there is a conduit included to 
>sync
>Entourage with your PDA.
>While I still like Apple's Mail App and iCal and Address Book (all work
>really well).  Entourage has them all in one.
>Addressing the issue of MS no longer supporting Internet Explorerso
>what!  Safari rocks!  MS knows that and methinks it's the reason that 
>they
>aren't moving on with IE.
>As for Office, nothing compares to it.  Certainly not AppleWorks!  And
I
>know somebody is going to chime in about 'Open Office' or whatever it's
>called.it's slow and clumsy.
>Usually the people who start bashing a high end app suite are the ones 
>who
>don't have the $$$ to buy itor can't steal it!
>Are we going to start bashing Photoshop next?
>
>This email response is written using Entourage 2004 on a G4 iBook.
lol...relax and calm down, we are not dealing with life and death
issues here. Use what you like and what works best for your needs.
Health and happiness to all, including Entourage users this holiday
season.

This email response was wriiten with Entourage and sent with Mailsmith
using my reliable and good friend G3 Pismo.






<>< sacredsystem ><>


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Re: Apple Mail

[Tim Collier]

I'm really sorry if anybody gets "offended" by this but Office v.X was
pretty good and Office 2004 is VERY GOOD.  Entourage is a totally integrated
application:  mail, calendar, contacts and tons of options on how to use
everything to the max.  I might add that there is a conduit included to sync
Entourage with your PDA.
While I still like Apple's Mail App and iCal and Address Book (all work
really well).  Entourage has them all in one.
Addressing the issue of MS no longer supporting Internet Explorerso
what!  Safari rocks!  MS knows that and methinks it's the reason that they
aren't moving on with IE.
As for Office, nothing compares to it.  Certainly not AppleWorks!  And I
know somebody is going to chime in about 'Open Office' or whatever it's
called.it's slow and clumsy.
Usually the people who start bashing a high end app suite are the ones who
don't have the $$$ to buy itor can't steal it!
Are we going to start bashing Photoshop next?

This email response is written using Entourage 2004 on a G4 iBook.

Tim
On 12/24/04 2:45 AM, "Mark Philip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Dec 24, 2004, at PM 03:11, Geoffrey Loeffler wrote:
> 
>> You have some juice use it. 100 computers will not get you a free ride
>> on Steves Gulfstream, but they will listen.
>> That's the beauty of the Mac the software meshes with the hardware and
>> no matter if there big or small. You  plop a wad of  M$$ and it just
>> puts FOD in your engine. Job security I guess
> 
> Actually, Apple Mail (in Panther OS) *does* connect to Exchange Server.
> Maybe that may be worth investigating...
> 
> --
> Best,
> Mark.
> 

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Re: Apple Mail

[Mark Philip]

On Dec 24, 2004, at PM 03:11, Geoffrey Loeffler wrote:
You have some juice use it. 100 computers will not get you a free ride 
on Steves Gulfstream, but they will listen.
That's the beauty of the Mac the software meshes with the hardware and 
no matter if there big or small. You  plop a wad of  M$$ and it just 
puts FOD in your engine. Job security I guess
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Re: Apple Mail with OS 10.1.5

[Bruce Johnson]

On Wednesday, November 10, 2004, at 02:11 PM, John.E.Abraham wrote:
Hi Listers
Could you answer a problem I am experiencing whilst using Apple mail 
with version 10.1.5 which I have installed on my Wallstreet.
Good question, hard to answer, easy to fix.
Upgrade to 10.2 which includes a new, considerably improved version of 
Mail, it's faster, stabler and vastly more functional than 10.1.5.

10.2, imo, is really the minimum system that should be installed on 
*any* Mac running OS X; 10.0 and 10.1 are bug-ridden alphas in 
comparison.

10.2 is one of the all-time greatest OS releases Apple has ever put 
out, on par with System 4, which let you have folders, and System 7, 
which was like a whole new OS. 10.3 is really nice, but it's an 
incremental improvement over 10.2; 10.2 is orders of magnitude better 
than 10.1.

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Re: Apple Mail

[Kurt Appling]

RE: Ah Ha account advanced option,  thankyou ,, I never new that was 
there


On Jul 30, 2004, at 11:38 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
On Jul 30, 2004, at 7:42 AM, Kurt Appling wrote:
I have same problem, I have to download mail in both osx and os9 i 
dont know why


Make sure your mail client isn't set to download the mail and leave it 
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Re: Apple Mail

[Jan Musil]

I'm using .mac account with POP3 and have the mails removed from server
after 3 days after the download. I have no problems with it. Make sure your
mail program is setup to remove the mails from the server and does not leave
them there indefinitely.

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Re: Apple Mail

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jul 30, 2004, at 7:42 AM, Kurt Appling wrote:
I have same problem, I have to download mail in both osx and os9 i 
dont know why


Make sure your mail client isn't set to download the mail and leave it 
on the server (if you're using POP mail) If you're using IMAP mode 
mail, then there's a problem and you should contact support about it.

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Re: Apple Mail

[Kurt Appling]

I have same problem, I have to download mail in both osx and os9 i dont 
know why

On Jul 29, 2004, at 8:36 PM, Stuart Saunders wrote:
I got the usual 'Your mail box is full" email from Apple on Monday. So 
I cleaned out the inbox, to around 150 messages and 2 mb. Now Mail 
shows 187 messages and 2.3 mb.
However, logging in today (Friday)  4 days later mac mail shows 553 
messages in inbox and 10 mb, so still near the limit.

Why is Mail so slow to sync?
BTW, i bought a 1 gig account (allowing 10 mb emails) from gmail the 
other day, $4.43 TOTAL.
Apple mail, 15mb, small mail size limit, $100 / year - c'mon Apple.

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Re: Apple Mail

[Alejandro]

Well, if that helps, Yahoo! offers a 100MB mail for
FREE.
Yahoo! also offers a 2GB mail for $20 a year.



--- Stuart Saunders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I got the usual 'Your mail box is full" email from
> Apple on Monday. So 
> I cleaned out the inbox, to around 150 messages and
> 2 mb. Now Mail 
> shows 187 messages and 2.3 mb.
> However, logging in today (Friday)  4 days later mac
> mail shows 553 
> messages in inbox and 10 mb, so still near the
> limit.
> 
> Why is Mail so slow to sync?
> 
> BTW, i bought a 1 gig account (allowing 10 mb
> emails) from gmail the 
> other day, $4.43 TOTAL.
> Apple mail, 15mb, small mail size limit, $100 / year
> - c'mon Apple.
> 
> 
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> and...
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