Re: Best photo organizer

[Brian McEwen]

On Aug 25, 2005, at 12:38 AM, Claire Hart wrote:

I agree.  I already had the 1121 photos separated somewhat  
chronologically.  Since I resorted to my previously-posted work- 
around, my resulting CDs were obviously completely out of order.   
I'll keep this info for next time.


Thanks,
Claire


Just was working with a friend's iPhoto version 2, and this option  
(renumber items being exported) isn't in that version.  When did it  
appear, anyone know?


B


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Re: Best photo organizer

[Claire Hart]

4) Select "Append a number to each photo."  This is what suffixes
the unique, sequential numbering.


Would have been nice of them to document that!

B


I agree.  I already had the 1121 photos separated somewhat  
chronologically.  Since I resorted to my previously-posted work- 
around, my resulting CDs were obviously completely out of order.   
I'll keep this info for next time.


Thanks,
Claire

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Re: Best photo organizer

[Brian McEwen]

On Aug 23, 2005, at 6:20 AM, P. H. Adams wrote:

4) Select "Append a number to each photo."  This is what suffixes  
the unique, sequential numbering.




Would have been nice of them to document that!

Thanks for the tip.  I will still keep my stuff in a human-findable  
format though :)


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Re: Best photo organizer

[P. H. Adams]

On Aug 23, 2005, at 8:52 AM, Brian McEwen wrote:


On Aug 22, 2005, at 3:52 PM, Claire Hart wrote:
Hi.  Thanks for your reply.  I'm wondering if you are new to the  
list.  We had some discussion on this last week and week before.   
If someone would have suggested it, I probably would have.  I did  
mention my problem with duplicate numbers on many of the photos.   
I did mention that I needed to rename photos and someone mentioned  
that it could be done with another application that I don't have,  
but not with iPhoto.




Sorry for the delay in answering, Claire.  I was away for about a  
week and just getting caught up on my e-mail.  I didn't see your  
query before.



Is pha referring to a 3rd party plug-in or script?


No, I'm talking about the built-in "Batch Change" capability (found  
under the "Photos" menu item in iPhoto).


Looking in help for "rename", nothing useful shows up;  the only  
mention of "batch" in the iPhoto help, says:

---
If you want multiple photos to have the same title, date, or  
comments, you can edit them all at once.


WARNING: Setting a photo's title, date, or comments changes it in  
the photo library and in all albums and books where it appear


Yes, the help is rather sparse on that feature.


that would be counterproductive here.


How so?


I looked a bit for a applescript to do unique numbering within  
iPhoto, but failed to find one, so that's why I suggested a method  
outside of iPhoto.


Here's how you do it:

1) Select all the photos that you want to rename within iPhoto
2) Select "Batch Change" from the "Photos" menu
3) In the resulting dialog box, choose Set "Title" to "Text" and  
enter the common text for each (e.g. Basketball)
4) Select "Append a number to each photo."  This is what suffixes the  
unique, sequential numbering.
5) Then, to export, just select "Share" -> "Export" with the  
selection "Use title" for the filename.  Also ensure that "Use  
extension" is selected so that Windows users won't have any problems  
opening.


Since every filename is now unique (i.e., with the sequential  
numbering), there will be no duplicate filename errors.


HTH.

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Re: Best photo organizer

[Brian McEwen]

On Aug 22, 2005, at 3:52 PM, Claire Hart wrote:



Wow, that's a lot of work.  Why didn't you just batch rename the
photos in iPhoto with the selection to append a number to each, then
export using title as filename?  Just two steps and you're done!

-pha



Hi.  Thanks for your reply.  I'm wondering if you are new to the  
list.  We had some discussion on this last week and week before.   
If someone would have suggested it, I probably would have.  I did  
mention my problem with duplicate numbers on many of the photos.  I  
did mention that I needed to rename photos and someone mentioned  
that it could be done with another application that I don't have,  
but not with iPhoto.


Claire


Is pha referring to a 3rd party plug-in or script?

Looking in help for "rename", nothing useful shows up;  the only  
mention of "batch" in the iPhoto help, says:

---
If you want multiple photos to have the same title, date, or  
comments, you can edit them all at once.


WARNING: Setting a photo's title, date, or comments changes it in the  
photo library and in all albums and books where it appear

---

that would be counterproductive here.

I looked a bit for a applescript to do unique numbering within  
iPhoto, but failed to find one, so that's why I suggested a method  
outside of iPhoto.


If something exists, that would certainly be a useful tool!  Can you  
give a URL? that would be a great addition to the post


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Re: Best photo organizer

[Claire Hart]

O.K., folks, here is how I burned 1121 photos from iPhoto to CD, so
that non-iPhoto people can view the photos without having to open
365 folders, and without the conflicts of photos that have the same
name.


Wow, that's a lot of work.  Why didn't you just batch rename the
photos in iPhoto with the selection to append a number to each, then
export using title as filename?  Just two steps and you're done!

-pha


Hi.  Thanks for your reply.  I'm wondering if you are new to the  
list.  We had some discussion on this last week and week before.  If  
someone would have suggested it, I probably would have.  I did  
mention my problem with duplicate numbers on many of the photos.  I  
did mention that I needed to rename photos and someone mentioned that  
it could be done with another application that I don't have, but not  
with iPhoto.


Claire

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Re: best photo organizer

[P. H. Adams]

On Aug 18, 2005, at 3:28 PM, Claire Hart wrote:

O.K., folks, here is how I burned 1121 photos from iPhoto to CD, so  
that non-iPhoto people can view the photos without having to open  
365 folders, and without the conflicts of photos that have the same  
name.


Wow, that's a lot of work.  Why didn't you just batch rename the  
photos in iPhoto with the selection to append a number to each, then  
export using title as filename?  Just two steps and you're done!


-pha

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Re: Portfolio 7 [Was: Best photo organizer]

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At 4:24 PM -0700 on 8/18/05, John Collins wrote:

I can't compare to 5, but 7 and I think 6 has many powerful 
features--N ow that I know the basics and have worked with it--the 
manual is making more sense and I see all kinds of possibilities.


Thanks--now I will upgrade with confidence.

David

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Re: Portfolio 7 [Was: Best photo organizer]

[John Collins]

On Aug 17, 2005, at 2:51 PM, David Brostoff wrote:


At 1:03 PM -0700 on 8/17/05, John Collins wrote:

In your case having already learned the Portfolio system, etc. you 
would not likely have the problems I have had.


So hopefully, that gives you an idea--I don't think my problems will 
bother you--just new users.


Thank you for your explanation, although I must say that if I am any 
example, unless 6 and 7 are vastly different from 5, I think most 
users would have an easy time learning the program: File/New Catalog 
(or Command+N) to open a new catalog; drag photos to catalog window; 
File>Open Catalog (or Command+O) to open and view a catalog; 
double-click an image for an enlarged view. I don't think I have found 
a reason to use any other functions.




I can't compare to 5, but 7 and I think 6 has many powerful features--N 
ow that I know the basics and have worked with it--the manual is making 
more sense and I see all kinds of possibilities. And yes to open a new 
catalog and add photos is simple if you know what you are adding. Since 
I wanted to do the keywords and descriptions as I cataloged, Elements 3 
was the lifesaver--obviously any good file browser would have done the 
same. iPhoto would have worked but made it more complicated.




Of course, I understand that my needs may be very different from 
yours. In my business (industrial advertising), we receive photos on 
CDs or via FTP. The photos are already labeled. Cataloging them in 
Portfolio gives us a convenient way to quickly look over the photos 
and see what is available for a particular job without opening each 
photo.


Yes and that is basically the way I will use Port in the future but 
from compact flash cards, CDs and the Hard Drive for all new pictures.


When you had a problem creating a new catalog, what did the cause turn 
out to be? Did it have anything to do with Portfolio itself?




As I am writing this--I tried it and it worked fine--in fact I did it 
twice and all is a mystery, I guess.


For your information and anybody else on the list who is using 
Portfolio. I have started a Yahoo group--Portfolio-list. You can check 
it out at:


<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Obviously, I can't answer too many questions, but others can.

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Re: best photo organizer

[Claire Hart]

O.K., folks, here is how I burned 1121 photos from iPhoto to CD, so  
that non-iPhoto people can view the photos without having to open 365  
folders, and without the conflicts of photos that have the same name.


(1) In iPhoto, I duplicated the Photo Album of the basketball photos,  
gave it another name, and worked from that album.

(2) I created a folder on my desktop to receive photos.
(3) I selected one group of photos at a time, and dragged them to the  
new folder on my desktop.
If there were no duplicate photos and everything copied into the  
folder, then I deleted the still-highlighted photos from that photo  
album (just hit "delete").
If there WERE duplicate photos (a little prompt would come up), then  
I did NOT finish the copy process and I did not delete that row in  
iPhoto.
I continued to do this row by row until I had gone through all the  
photos.


(4) I went back through the iPhoto Album, this time selecting smaller  
groups of photos.  I repeated step 4.
The final result was over 800 photos that copied to the first folder,  
with a little over 300 left that had duplicate names.  I felt this  
was good enough for the first folder, and began another folder.
(5) I did the same process with a second, third, and fourth folder.   
They each ended up with about 40 photos.
(6) There were now 33 photos left so I began renaming them in the  
lower left corner of the iPhoto window.  When I then dragged them to  
my next folder, I found that the computer did not recognize the new  
names, but still read them with their original names.  As a result, I  
created two more folders to take care of the rest.


I closed iPhoto and burned the folders to 3 CDs.  I found that folder  
"a" by itself was too large to fit on one CD, so I split it into  
folders "a1", "a2", and "a3", in addition to "b", "c", "d", "e", and  
"f" which were already created.


Folder "a1" is on "CD1".  Folder "a2" is on "CD2".  The remaining  
folders are on "CD3".  They open in my son's PC nicely.  I have taken  
them to Kinko's to confirm that they will work in their kiosk.


Someone on the list mentioned to make sure that iPhoto is not the  
only place you save your photos.  Having juggled this situation  
around for five months, I agree.  Thanks for all the input on this  
issue over the past few days.  I will check out other apps to have  
that backup system.  (Or maybe iPhoto will be the backup.)


Claire

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Re: Portfolio 7 [Was: Best photo organizer]

[David Brostoff]

At 1:03 PM -0700 on 8/17/05, John Collins wrote:

In your case having already learned the Portfolio system, etc. you 
would not likely have the problems I have had.


So hopefully, that gives you an idea--I don't think my problems will 
bother you--just new users.


Thank you for your explanation, although I must say that if I am any 
example, unless 6 and 7 are vastly different from 5, I think most 
users would have an easy time learning the program: File/New Catalog 
(or Command+N) to open a new catalog; drag photos to catalog window; 
File>Open Catalog (or Command+O) to open and view a catalog; 
double-click an image for an enlarged view. I don't think I have 
found a reason to use any other functions.


Of course, I understand that my needs may be very different from 
yours. In my business (industrial advertising), we receive photos on 
CDs or via FTP. The photos are already labeled. Cataloging them in 
Portfolio gives us a convenient way to quickly look over the photos 
and see what is available for a particular job without opening each 
photo.


When you had a problem creating a new catalog, what did the cause 
turn out to be? Did it have anything to do with Portfolio itself?


David


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Re: Portfolio 7 [Was: Best photo organizer]

[John Collins]

On Aug 16, 2005, at 10:17 AM, David Brostoff wrote:


At 7:38 PM -0700 on 8/15/05, John Collins wrote:


  I bought Portfolio 7.

Now I am in the process of trying to catalog my files and it is a 
struggle (anybody on the list who uses it and is willing to help a 
newbie --let me know off list). I have found Extensis support to be 
almost non existent and when I query their "knowledge base" I get a 
listing of every article in it. I have not found a user's forum so at 
this point no help seems to be available.


I have considered selling my copy on eBay and absorbing the loss, but 
now have decided to keep working at it. Needless to say, I would not 
recommend Portfolio. And advice to others is to start now with 
something--don't wait until you have thousands of images.


I have found Portfolio Desktop Edition 5.0.2 (running in Classic under 
10.4.2) to be very intuitive and easy to use. I have been recently 
planning to upgrade to the latest OS X version but your message has 
given me pause.


Could you be more specific about the problems you are having?

Thank you,

David



In your case having already learned the Portfolio system, etc. you 
would not likely have the problems I have had. My biggest issue is with 
the Extensis mind-set and almost unwillingness to provide assistance. 
Example-- I emailed customer service with a question about transferring 
ownership of my copy if I decided to sell it. They responded with two 
telephone numbers I could call.


I then decided to  keep it and see if I couldn't learn to use it since 
I needed a solution.


Another example-- I could not get a new catalog set up (I had already 
set up several) and I would get an error message--"An unexpected  error 
has occurred---" after several attempts with same result--I decided to 
query the knowledge base. When I asked the question about establishing 
a new catalog, my response was a listing of over 50 articles that I 
could review to maybe find the answer. None of them seemed to deal with 
setting a new catalog--which obviously is pretty basic. I finally 
figured a way around it and have not had to set up a new catalog since.


The total number of articles in their system is 63 (my last check) and 
that covers v. 6. and v.7. Not much effort on their part, in my 
opinion. I am not stupid but a new user needs some basic information 
and the users manual does not provide it. For example, some suggestions 
on the best way to convert 1000s of files into the new system. How 
should a numbering system be developed and how can I batch convert with 
new keywords when I can't see the image. I finally solved this by using 
PE3 file browser to look at my files of images and then go to Port to 
add a bunch with similar key words. There may be an easier way within 
Port but I have not discovered it. So hopefully, that gives you an 
idea--I don't think my problems will bother you--just new users.


FYI Shutterbug magazine has a very good review of v.7 



Another reviewer indicated that Portfolio was more user friendly than 
iViewmediaPro which I tried out. ?but I went this way. I will say 
that now that I have catalogued over 5000 images, I am more 
satisfied--the program can do about anything imaginable--just tough to 
learn how.


John




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Re: best photo organizer

[Claire Hart]

I've not done this, and there may be an easier way, but:
I'd make a new iPhoto library of the basketball pictures.  Take all
your original CDs (hope you have them).

Copy them one by one to individual, nicely named, folders on your
hard drive (bball-JDoe-to-May312005.

For each folder, run an app like FileWrangler or QuickName (see
macupdate.com, I use FileWrangler if I need to batch rename, but I'm
not sure it's the best one) to rename the files, adding a -1 or a -2
or a -3 to the files in the different directories (to make their
names all unique).  Use -1 only for one dir, -2 for the next, etc.

Now, you can import to iPhoto, making sure that you set the prefs to
leave the original the heck alone (so your nicely named folders and
files are still intact), and put a copy of the photo in the iPhoto
library.  Congrats, you've just doubled your use of file space, but
you can still work with your photos in a sensible manner if you need
to. :)

Now, if you want to select a subset in iPhoto and export it to a
folder, all the names will be unique.

Is there a way to do this within iPhoto already?  I think not, since
you're getting the issue of duplicate filenames when you export, one
would HOPE it would have renamed them -1 -2 -3 etc. on export  like
when you download the same file from the web with Safari multiple
times, but I guess they didn't program iPhoto like that?

That's at least one way to fix your problem, perhaps not the best
though.  For the # of photos you have, it shouldnt be too bad.


Brian,

I have 1100+ photos.  I cannot imagine handling 1100 photos one at a  
time, renaming each one, running an app on each one, resetting prefs  
on each one, etc.  Also, I do not have the original CDs, as I've  
already returned them to the various families.  I created a 29 minute  
iMovie last March using nearly half of the photos plus a few QT movie  
clips that we showed at the end-of-the-season banquet; now I just  
want to burn them all and distribute the CDs to all the families that  
want one, possibly 30 families.


Claire

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Re: best photo organizer

[Andrew in Ann Arbor]

By way of reminder, I'm the one trying to save photos from iPhoto to  
CD, but iPhoto keeps filing them for me in folders that are numbered  
by year, then within the years by month, and then within the months  
by day.
As a result, these photos  
often have duplicate numbering systems.  So when I try to save them  
all at once, I am told that "a photo already exists with that name,  
and do I want to replace it?"  I tried that once, and ended up with  
around 600 photos, so that means that about 500 of them are somehow  
duplicates.


My PC son says there's an automatic way to renumber into a  
consecutive series a group of photos, files, whatever, that are  
grouped into one folder.  If I could do that, then I could burn all  
of these photos without using iPhoto to do it.


Claire
Graphic Converter  will do batch renaming, batch 
conversion to a different format and a bunch of other things.
You open a window, select the files you want renamed, fill in how you 
want renamed, you can add to the original name or make up a new one.

It's shareware but the trial version is fully usable.
You just have a nag screen for 30 seconds when you start up.
I've actually paid (about $35) for a couple of copies for various family 
members.


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Re: best photo organizer,

[Brian McEwen]

At 12:46 AM 8/17/2005, you wrote:

>copy them over to a USB flash drive. They come in sizes from about
>32MB to 1GB, and are easier to use than burning to a CD.

Right now money is an issue . . .


Buy.com has the Memorex 1 GB TravelDrive USB 2.0 Flash Drive for $60 - $5 
off $35 [Exp 8/18] - $10 rebate [Exp 8/31] - $20 rebate [Exp 8/30] = $25 
with free shipping. [BizRate]


Also circuit city had 256 meg flash drives for $14.

B
  



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Re: best photo organizer

[Kristina]

I think with the duplicate names, on the multiple CD's...you might to have
to add a letter at the end of each file..."A","B"...etc before you combine
them, whether you can do this with a whoosh of a computer command or the ole
manual input is a problem for a greater computer mind than mine.

anonymous


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Re: best photo organizer,

[Howard Katz]

> On 8/16/05, at 10:27 pm -0600, Harry Corsover wrote:
> 
> >I'm not sure about a direct answer to your question, but if I were
> >going to take one (or a few) photos to a commercial photo place (or
> >even to the grocery store's kiosk) I think it would be simpler to
> >copy them over to a USB flash drive. They come in sizes from about
> >32MB to 1GB, and are easier to use than burning to a CD.

FYI, I tried this yesterday at my local Sam's Club.  The two kiosks
for making digital pictures, one from Kodak, one from Fuji, did not
have any way of allowing a flashdrive to be plugged in.  You can do
3.5" floppies, compactflash, secure digital, etc.--no USB port.  The
Kodak kiosk would even allow IR from a camera (if so equipted) or a
cellphone.  A CF set up for a Mac as extra storage wouldn't be read,
BTW--I ended up putting the photos on a 3.5" and just copying off from
there.

LaterHoward

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Re: best photo organizer

[Brian McEwen]

At 09:03 AM 8/17/2005, you wrote:

I've used 'iPhoto Diet' a few times to find duplicates and cleanup the
iPhoto library of unnecessary stuff.


But that would whack her duplicate-named but not duplicate-content images!

:)

B


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Re: best photo organizer

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on 17/08/05 03:36, Brian McEwen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Is there a way to do this within iPhoto already?  I think not, since
> you're getting the issue of duplicate filenames when you export, one
> would HOPE it would have renamed them -1 -2 -3 etc. on export  like
> when you download the same file from the web with Safari multiple
> times, but I guess they didn't program iPhoto like that?

I've used 'iPhoto Diet' a few times to find duplicates and cleanup the
iPhoto library of unnecessary stuff.

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Re: best photo organizer

[Brian McEwen]

On Aug 17, 2005, at 12:43 AM, Claire Hart wrote:

To the two who suggested that I drag my photos to a CD and then  
burn the CD, or drag the photos to a folder, and burn that, I will  
tell you that I have tried to do that.  However, my group of 1100+  
photos is actually a compilation of photos taken by 7-8 families  
over the course of a basketball season.  Everyone took their photos  
to Wal-Mart or Walgreens and then gave me the CD of their photos,  
and several times throughout the year as well.  As a result, these  
photos often have duplicate numbering systems.  So when I try to  
save them all at once, I am told that "a photo already exists with  
that name, and do I want to replace it?"  I tried that once, and  
ended up with around 600 photos, so that means that about 500 of  
them are somehow duplicates.


This is why you should never have the only copy of a photo be the one  
in iPhoto.


I've not done this, and there may be an easier way, but:
I'd make a new iPhoto library of the basketball pictures.  Take all  
your original CDs (hope you have them).


Copy them one by one to individual, nicely named, folders on your  
hard drive (bball-JDoe-to-May312005.


For each folder, run an app like FileWrangler or QuickName (see  
macupdate.com, I use FileWrangler if I need to batch rename, but I'm  
not sure it's the best one) to rename the files, adding a -1 or a -2  
or a -3 to the files in the different directories (to make their  
names all unique).  Use -1 only for one dir, -2 for the next, etc.


Now, you can import to iPhoto, making sure that you set the prefs to  
leave the original the heck alone (so your nicely named folders and  
files are still intact), and put a copy of the photo in the iPhoto  
library.  Congrats, you've just doubled your use of file space, but  
you can still work with your photos in a sensible manner if you need  
to. :)


Now, if you want to select a subset in iPhoto and export it to a  
folder, all the names will be unique.


Is there a way to do this within iPhoto already?  I think not, since  
you're getting the issue of duplicate filenames when you export, one  
would HOPE it would have renamed them -1 -2 -3 etc. on export  like  
when you download the same file from the web with Safari multiple  
times, but I guess they didn't program iPhoto like that?


That's at least one way to fix your problem, perhaps not the best  
though.  For the # of photos you have, it shouldnt be too bad.


B

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Re: best photo organizer,

[Paul Stamsen]

My reply follows quote.

On 8/16/05, at 10:27 pm -0600, Harry Corsover wrote:

>I'm not sure about a direct answer to your question, but if I were
>going to take one (or a few) photos to a commercial photo place (or
>even to the grocery store's kiosk) I think it would be simpler to
>copy them over to a USB flash drive. They come in sizes from about
>32MB to 1GB, and are easier to use than burning to a CD.

Right now money is an issue . . .

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Re: best photo organizer

[Claire Hart]

I've had my last three attempted replies to this list bounce.  It  
says "Your message cannot be posted.  It has the content-type:  
multipart/alternative, and this list accepts plain text only."  I'm  
only doing a simple reply.  I'm not pasting anything in.  Is it a  
Tiger thing?  (I just upgraded yesterday.)  Anyway, I will write a  
new post, rather than doing a reply.


By way of reminder, I'm the one trying to save photos from iPhoto to  
CD, but iPhoto keeps filing them for me in folders that are numbered  
by year, then within the years by month, and then within the months  
by day.


To the two who suggested that I drag my photos to a CD and then burn  
the CD, or drag the photos to a folder, and burn that, I will tell  
you that I have tried to do that.  However, my group of 1100+ photos  
is actually a compilation of photos taken by 7-8 families over the  
course of a basketball season.  Everyone took their photos to Wal- 
Mart or Walgreens and then gave me the CD of their photos, and  
several times throughout the year as well.  As a result, these photos  
often have duplicate numbering systems.  So when I try to save them  
all at once, I am told that "a photo already exists with that name,  
and do I want to replace it?"  I tried that once, and ended up with  
around 600 photos, so that means that about 500 of them are somehow  
duplicates.


My PC son says there's an automatic way to renumber into a  
consecutive series a group of photos, files, whatever, that are  
grouped into one folder.  If I could do that, then I could burn all  
of these photos without using iPhoto to do it.


I am also experimenting with EasyShare, which is a free download from  
Kodak.  However, I cannot figure out how to transfer, import, export,  
drag or drop the photos from iPhoto to EasyShare.  EasyShare  
automatically found and imported about 80 photos that I had elsewhere  
on my hard drive, but there doesn't seem to be a "bridge" available  
to move the photos from iPhoto.  (I have sent an email to their  
customer service asking this question as well, but it takes 24  
hours...)  A Mac friend suggested EasyShare because he likes to share  
photos with his Windows family members.


Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Claire

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Re: best photo organizer,

[Harry Corsover]

On Aug 16, 2005, at 2:16 PM, Paul Stamsen wrote:



Ok, just a near miss here:

What is the best way to burn a scanned photo to a CD so I can take  
it to a

commercial photo place for copies?

 Paul

ps  I have Toast Titanium 5.2.3


I'm not sure about a direct answer to your question, but if I were  
going to take one (or a few) photos to a commercial photo place (or  
even to the grocery store's kiosk) I think it would be simpler to  
copy them over to a USB flash drive. They come in sizes from about  
32MB to 1GB, and are easier to use than burning to a CD.


Just my two cents ...

Regards,

Harry Corsover


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Re: best photo organizer

[Muddle Man]

I found this happened to me as well. It happens when
you use iPhoto's built in burn function. It's actually
burning an iPhoto library to be imported into another
iPhoto. You can get around this by selecting the pics
you want and then dragging them on to the CD. Once
copied, the burn will be the real pics and not an
iPhoto library.

--- Claire Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What is everyone's favorite photo organizer?  I have
> a gazillion  
> photos on iPhoto, and when I save groups of them to
> CD for others to  
> view who do not have Macs, the photos are divided
> into folders based  
> on year, then month, then date.  I asked this
> earlier in the summer  
> but my question was bundled with another question.
> 
> Thanks,
> Claire


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Re: best photo organizer,

[Paul Stamsen]

Ok, just a near miss here:

What is the best way to burn a scanned photo to a CD so I can take it to a
commercial photo place for copies?

 Paul

ps  I have Toast Titanium 5.2.3

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Portfolio 7 [Was: Best photo organizer]

[David Brostoff]

At 7:38 PM -0700 on 8/15/05, John Collins wrote:


  I bought Portfolio 7.

Now I am in the process of trying to catalog my files and it is a 
struggle (anybody on the list who uses it and is willing to help a 
newbie --let me know off list). I have found Extensis support to be 
almost non existent and when I query their "knowledge base" I get a 
listing of every article in it. I have not found a user's forum so 
at this point no help seems to be available.


I have considered selling my copy on eBay and absorbing the loss, 
but now have decided to keep working at it. Needless to say, I would 
not recommend Portfolio. And advice to others is to start now with 
something--don't wait until you have thousands of images.


I have found Portfolio Desktop Edition 5.0.2 (running in Classic 
under 10.4.2) to be very intuitive and easy to use. I have been 
recently planning to upgrade to the latest OS X version but your 
message has given me pause.


Could you be more specific about the problems you are having?

Thank you,

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Re: best photo organizer, iPhoto question, Graphic Converter reccomendation

[John Collins]

On Aug 16, 2005, at 7:52 AM, Andrew in Ann Arbor wrote:


G-Books wrote:

I remember some of the previous discussion. At that time I was
also trying to decide what to do. I had over 5000 in iPhoto and many
more to come as I scan old slides and negatives.

John
When you organize scanned photos in iPhoto do they all show up as the 
date you scanned them? The program has no way of knowing when the 
photo was taken.
My sister is starting in on a pile of family slides and was asking 
about what program to use.




You're right --no way to tell the date taken and that is a different 
problem unless you are the person who meticulously dates slides and 
negatives--that's not me. And you do get the date "created"--the date  
scanned or if a CD--the date digitized. The first step I take before 
scanning is to manually sort and attempt to date as best I can using a 
viewer and a light box.  It is a slow process but very rewarding when 
you see these those old images com e out of the scanner. I have a 
collection of about 50 years and then I  will work on the old family 
snapshots.





I'm inclined towards Graphic Convertor .
It has a "browser" function that displays thumbnails of all the images 
in a folder. You can move, delete, rotate or rename in the browser 
window. If you open an image there are more editing functions than I 
can figure out. It's shareware, free to try.


I can't help much with GC--I have it but never have learned it.  The 
key question--does it have a cataloging and find function based on key 
words --or as Brian said in an earlier post "using the directory/file 
path" words as keywords. If you don't have this ability, you end up 
just moving them around into different "shoeboxes". At this point, I 
have done about 4000 of my digital images and it is really neat to put 
in my granddaughter' name as the search keyword and see hundreds of her 
pictures sorted out which then can be sorted based on any of the file 
data such as date taken.
iPhoto does have editing functions (I use PhotoshopElements 3) but I 
don't use it. I recommend PE3--great support and user's forums etc.


Since I have put Portfolio down--I will commend them on the keyword 
process--you can do about anything you want with it and once I learned 
how (little help from them or manual)  it works very nicely. I use the 
file browser in PE3 to see what I am cataloging and what key words to 
use (otherwise you are working blind--working from numbers and file 
path info). The two work very nicely together.



I suppose I should poke around iPhoto and see if it has a similar 
"browser" function.

Does iPhoto offer much in the way of editing functions.


To my knowledge, iPhoto, is basically a browser--that is you can see 
all of your thumbnails by date/roll and if you used the keyword 
process--you can sort and find. Even though I used iPhoto for my 
digital collection--I had not been consistent with the keyword 
process--so now I'm doing it after the fact.



The couple of times I've opened iPhoto I've been put off by it's 
desire to take over the process but perhaps there's something in 
preferences that would allow me to browse existing folders.


I recommend you try it out--buy a book that is devoted to it and learn 
what it will do before putting more money into software.


I like iPhoto and have used it since inception, but I knew my needs 
were going to require something more. I would be happy to assist your 
sister if she desires it.


John


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Re: best photo organizer

[Jim Dynes]

Try emailing one of the photos to a windows machine & see if there is  
a difference.

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I don't know, I send photos to my EX who has a windows 2000 & she has  
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On Aug 15, 2005, at 10:13 PM, Kristina wrote:


Hi Claire, what I do for PC users is select the photos you want &
export them to a folder & burn that folder.




I am not Claire, but I have had trouble with making CD's of photos,  
scanned

and retouched in photoshop, not opening at the drugstore kiosks, or on
windows machines.

I save all my photos as jpgs...

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Re: best photo organizer, iPhoto question, Graphic Converter reccomendation

[Andrew in Ann Arbor]

G-Books wrote:

I remember some of the previous discussion. At that time I was
also trying to decide what to do. I had over 5000 in iPhoto and many
more to come as I scan old slides and negatives.

John
When you organize scanned photos in iPhoto do they all show up as the 
date you scanned them? The program has no way of knowing when the photo 
was taken.
My sister is starting in on a pile of family slides and was asking about 
what program to use.


I'm inclined towards Graphic Convertor .
It has a "browser" function that displays thumbnails of all the images 
in a folder. You can move, delete, rotate or rename in the browser 
window. If you open an image there are more editing functions than I can 
figure out. It's shareware, free to try.


I suppose I should poke around iPhoto and see if it has a similar 
"browser" function.

Does iPhoto offer much in the way of editing functions.
The couple of times I've opened iPhoto I've been put off by it's desire 
to take over the process but perhaps there's something in preferences 
that would allow me to browse existing folders.


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Re: best photo organizer

[Kristina]

on 8/16/05 7:46 AM, Brian McEwen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> ISO 9660
>> Mac/ISO Hybrid
> 
> Either of these will should work, although filenames might not look as you
> expect, you should be able to figure out what is what.

I will try to burn these again and see...what the names do...
> 
> You may run into file name restrictions, Toast 3.5.7 I think will tell you
> if some need renamed (shorter max filename, plus limits on non-standard
> characters exist).


> In a related issue, you may find this helpful if you are dealing with
> reading Windows CDs under 9.x and having problems.
> .
>
Thanks again

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Re: best photo organizer

[Brian McEwen]

At 07:59 AM 8/16/2005, you wrote:



ISO 9660
Mac/ISO Hybrid


Either of these will should work, although filenames might not look as you 
expect, you should be able to figure out what is what.


You may run into file name restrictions, Toast 3.5.7 I think will tell you 
if some need renamed (shorter max filename, plus limits on non-standard 
characters exist). It's been ages since I used that Toast and I don't 
recall if it will burn >8.3 filenames but the Mac just doesn't display it, 
or what.


In a related issue, you may find this helpful if you are dealing with 
reading Windows CDs under 9.x and having problems.

.

HTH.

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Re: best photo organizer

[Kristina]

on 8/16/05 5:19 AM, Brian McEwen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 
> On Aug 16, 2005, at 12:13 AM, Kristina wrote:
> 
>> save all my photos as jpgs...
>> 
>> why can't the Winfolk read em?
>> 
> 
> What did you use to burn the CD?

Toast  3.5.7.  I acquired the YamahaCRW4416SX used just the burner, a disc
and some cables.  I have had to figure it all out on my own.  I can make CDs
for my self and my photo scrapbooking purposes but not for friends who of
course are all windows. I can make audio CDs...if I need to which I haven't
really had to.

> What format did you use for the disk?

Hmmm,  Mac Files and Folders...this is it, isn't it...under the format menu
I have these options, which one would I use to make a Kodak Kiosk ready
disc.

Mac Volume
Mac Files and Folders
ISO 9660
Mac/ISO Hybrid
Audio

Thanks Brian

Kristina


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Re: best photo organizer

[Brian McEwen]

On Aug 15, 2005, at 10:38 PM, John Collins wrote:



Now I am in the process of trying to catalog my files and it is a  
struggle (anybody on the list who uses it and is willing to help a  
newbie --let me know off list). I have found Extensis support to be  
almost non existent and when I query their "knowledge base" I get a  
listing of every article in it. I have not found a user's forum so  
at this point no help see


I got mine catalog'd by choosing to use the directory name as a  
source of keywords, in the ImageAXS Pro software I mentioned  
earlier.  That got everything linked with date created, month, year,  
and then keyword such as subject, location, event or trip, etc.   
Since I had tried to put something meaningful as the directory name,  
even though all the images were still crptic.


Maybe there's a similar thing you can do with the software you bought?

B


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Re: best photo organizer

[Brian McEwen]

On Aug 16, 2005, at 12:13 AM, Kristina wrote:


 save all my photos as jpgs...

why can't the Winfolk read em?



What did you use to burn the CD?

What format did you use for the disk?

B


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Re: best photo organizer

[Kristina]

on 8/15/05 6:51 PM, Jim Dynes at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi Claire, what I do for PC users is select the photos you want &
> export them to a folder & burn that folder.


I am not Claire, but I have had trouble with making CD's of photos, scanned
and retouched in photoshop, not opening at the drugstore kiosks, or on
windows machines. 

I save all my photos as jpgs...

why can't the Winfolk read em?

Kristina


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Re: best photo organizer

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On Aug 15, 2005, at 4:49 PM, Claire Hart wrote:

What is everyone's favorite photo organizer?  I have a gazillion 
photos on iPhoto, and when I save groups of them to CD for others to 
view who do not have Macs, the photos are divided into folders based 
on year, then month, then date.  I asked this earlier in the summer 
but my question was bundled with another question.


Thanks,
Claire




Claire--I remember some of the previous discussion. At that time I was 
also trying to decide what to do. I had over 5000 in iPhoto and many 
more to come as I scan old slides and negatives. I looked at 2 
options-- iView Media Pro and extensis Portfolio--both in the $200 
range. I downloaded the demo of iVMPro and worked on it and based on 
that experience and some reviews which seemed to indicate that Port was 
more user friendly.--I bought Portfolio 7.


Now I am in the process of trying to catalog my files and it is a 
struggle (anybody on the list who uses it and is willing to help a 
newbie --let me know off list). I have found Extensis support to be 
almost non existent and when I query their "knowledge base" I get a 
listing of every article in it. I have not found a user's forum so at 
this point no help seems to be available.


I have considered selling my copy on eBay and absorbing the loss, but 
now have decided to keep working at it. Needless to say, I would not 
recommend Portfolio. And advice to others is to start now with 
something--don't wait until you have thousands of images.


John


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Re: best photo organizer

[Jim Dynes]

Hi Claire, what I do for PC users is select the photos you want &  
export them to a folder & burn that folder.

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Albuquerque, New Mexico




On Aug 15, 2005, at 5:49 PM, Claire Hart wrote:

What is everyone's favorite photo organizer?  I have a gazillion  
photos on iPhoto, and when I save groups of them to CD for others  
to view who do not have Macs, the photos are divided into folders  
based on year, then month, then date.  I asked this earlier in the  
summer but my question was bundled with another question.



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best photo organizer

[Claire Hart]

What is everyone's favorite photo organizer?  I have a gazillion  
photos on iPhoto, and when I save groups of them to CD for others to  
view who do not have Macs, the photos are divided into folders based  
on year, then month, then date.  I asked this earlier in the summer  
but my question was bundled with another question.


Thanks,
Claire


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