[gentoo-user] Jailing SCP and SFTP users

[Ducky Z.]

Is there a way to jail scp and sftp users to their homes, just like we
could do it with "proftpd"? Even though the users cannot open files,
they can still browse the file system :(

Sincerely,
Dz
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Re: [gentoo-user] ~OT - Peer to peer application filtering

[W.Kenworthy]

bunyip root # emerge ipp2p -s
Searching...
[ Results for search key : ipp2p ]
[ Applications found : 1 ]

*  net-firewall/ipp2p
  Latest version available: 0.6-r1
  Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ]
  Size of downloaded files: 6 kB
  Homepage:http://www.ipp2p.org/index_en.html
  Description: Netfilter module for dealing with P2P Applications.
  License: GPL-2

google also shows a number of other solutions.

BillK


On Tue, 2005-02-22 at 01:01 -0600, Reno Romanin wrote:
> I work for a company who services several smaller rural school districts.
> Needless to say, the schools are very concerned about file sharing from
> their networks, for legal and moral reasons. 
> 
> The point being, I am looking for a way to filter p2p apps with the linux
> gateways they have in place. These servers are soon to be converted to
> gentoo because, well, I just feel more comfortable with it than other
> distros. 
> 
> Being that the commercial solutions are price prohibitive, I am looking for
> an open source alternative. Does anyone know of, or have any experience with
> any OSS p2p filtering solutions?
> 
> Now that I got that long winded bit out, TIA
> 
> --reno
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Re: [gentoo-user] silly gentoo question: what packet gets me "spell" and "look"?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Tuesday 22 February 2005 12:14 am, John Myers 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Monday 21 February 2005 21:41, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> > In may cases a user may know what command (or file) they want but
> > don't have any idea what category or package gentoo has placed it's
> > provider. AFAIK, there's no way to ask portage this type of question,
> > if there is: how?  Is an enchanment to portage for this functionality
> > in the works; maybe a GLEP?  I understand there are difficulties to
> > this type of indexing in gentoo (use flags; other types of conditions
> > in ebuilds [like has_nptl]; etc.) but I'm sure it's possible, can any
> > portage experts or gentoo-devs weigh in on this?
>
> I've  been thinking about the same thing for a while now. The best I can
> come up with so far is to have a system which runs (voluntarily, and not
> by default!) on peoples' systems and reports the file list and
> compilation environment for each emerge back to a central server. That
> server could analyze the data, and allow users to search for files or
> whatever amd return what needs to be installed, and how (USE flags,
> etc.) in order to get that file. Short of emerging every package (which
> is of course impossible), I don't see another way really to do it.

Fake the merge upstream so that the files that would be emerged are 
recorded, but not actually installed, and the package is not recorded in 
world.  [So, no confilcting packages. :)]

Then, you can (theoretically, given enough time and processor power) emerge 
every package with every option (USE, CHOST, etc., etc.) and index it.

Since you are faking the installation, you don't even have to do real 
compiling/linking, just touch the output files; it wouldn't detect all 
emerges that were borked, but it would generate good indexes. :)  [I can't 
figure out how to fake configure though...]

You could do the self-reporting, but it's problematic because you don't 
want 5cr|pt ki66ies reporting bad infos just to be malicious.  [Crypto 
doesn't help much here, BTW.]

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Re: [gentoo-user] Distro for SBC's

[Rui Silva]

> 
> What's wrong with Gentoo?  There are plenty of folks out there running Gentoo
> on embedded devices.

it isn't targeted to embedded devices is it? is there a branch of
gentoo targeted and mainted to embedded devices???

if i wanted to build a small one for ocasional use that would the
fine, but i'm thinking in updates in the future. If i go with some
distro that is mainted for embedded devices, i think I wouldn't have
problems updating, instead of having to build a new one over and over
again...

tell me if i'm wrong...
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[gentoo-user] ~OT - Peer to peer application filtering

[Reno Romanin]

I work for a company who services several smaller rural school districts.
Needless to say, the schools are very concerned about file sharing from
their networks, for legal and moral reasons. 

The point being, I am looking for a way to filter p2p apps with the linux
gateways they have in place. These servers are soon to be converted to
gentoo because, well, I just feel more comfortable with it than other
distros. 

Being that the commercial solutions are price prohibitive, I am looking for
an open source alternative. Does anyone know of, or have any experience with
any OSS p2p filtering solutions?

Now that I got that long winded bit out, TIA

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Re: [gentoo-user] silly gentoo question: what packet gets me "spell" and "look"?

[A. Khattri]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

> On Monday 21 February 2005 06:08 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > It seems so silly but the trouble is that these words are so common that
> > any sort of searching turns up hundreds of things I'm not looking for.
> >
> > Did I say hundreds? I mean millions.
> >
> > I'm looking for the old Unix "spell" and "look" command line tools. What
> > gentoo package has these?
>
> I'm not answering this question, but rather expounding on it.
>
> In may cases a user may know what command (or file) they want but don't
> have any idea what category or package gentoo has placed it's provider.

In this example, the "millions" of things actually are 52 and if you look
through the list of "hits" most of those are language packs for aspell and
ispell. This should provide a clue that aspell and ispell are spelling
utilities. Furthermore, the description for aspell says something like
"replacement for ispell" which tells you that ispell is the older (less
preferred?) package. So this is not a good example of a hard-to-find
package.

The OP could have found packages by using esearch or emerge search.

There's also the Gentoo packages online db at packages.gentoo.org.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Best way to make the laptop sleep?

[Ed Grimm]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Hareesh Nagarajan wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Times at which I am not by my laptop I leave my laptop locked using
> 'xlock'. I know this isn't the best way because 'xlock' consumes many
> CPU cycles.
>
> What is the best way to lock my laptop so that when I do resume work
> my laptop isn't at 75 degree celcius (My CPU fan doesn't seem to stop
> or slow down either).
>
> Moreover are there any recent guides/docs to enable power management
> features on a laptop (I've already checked the Gentoo guide; Any other
> guides out there?).

Even within xlock, there are significant improvements over running the
command with no options.

xlock -mode blank

is a start, although there's an option to reduce its keyboard polling
frequency, which would help more.  Note that an application that was
APCI aware or select on keyboard input, rather than poll, would be even
more of an improvement.  (And finding such a piece of software that will
work with your laptop is why the others asked what model, as APCI is not
yet uniformly implemented across all systems.)

Ed
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Re: [gentoo-user] silly gentoo question: what packet gets me "spell" and "look"?

[John Myers]

On Monday 21 February 2005 21:41, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> In may cases a user may know what command (or file) they want but don't 
> have any idea what category or package gentoo has placed it's provider.  
> AFAIK, there's no way to ask portage this type of question, if there is: 
> how?  Is an enchanment to portage for this functionality in the works; 
> maybe a GLEP?  I understand there are difficulties to this type of 
> indexing in gentoo (use flags; other types of conditions in ebuilds [like 
> has_nptl]; etc.) but I'm sure it's possible, can any portage experts or 
> gentoo-devs weigh in on this?
> 
> It seems to me that you could "simulate" an installation, record the use 
> flags on (well, basically anything in emerge --info) and the files / 
> commands created, throw that into a database and give out meaningful 
> information.  This could either be done with some type of hetrogenous 
> compile farm on the gentoo end or if simulation tools are "good 
> enough" [1] on a single machine.
> 
> I understand that since ebuilds can branch on arbitrary conditions and, 
> even if the ebuild doesn't branch, configure can cause different files to 
> be compiles, indexes may not be completely accurate, but they might help.
> 
> [Alternatively, at least for common commands, this could simply be handled 
> by a large number of virtuals like virtual/-command (E.g. 
> virtual/spell-command).]
> 

I've  been thinking about the same thing for a while now. The best I can come 
up with so far is to have a system which runs (voluntarily, and not by 
default!) on peoples' systems and reports the file list and compilation 
environment for each emerge back to a central server. That server could 
analyze the data, and allow users to search for files or whatever amd return 
what needs to be installed, and how (USE flags, etc.) in order to get that
file. Short of emerging every package (which is of course impossible), I don't 
see another way really to do it.


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Re: [gentoo-user] silly gentoo question: what packet gets me "spell" and "look"?

[Bryan Veal]

> In may cases a user may know what command (or file) they want but don't
> have any idea what category or package gentoo has placed it's provider.
> AFAIK, there's no way to ask portage this type of question, if there is:
> how?  Is an enchanment to portage for this functionality in the works;
> maybe a GLEP?  I understand there are difficulties to this type of
> indexing in gentoo (use flags; other types of conditions in ebuilds [like
> has_nptl]; etc.) but I'm sure it's possible, can any portage experts or
> gentoo-devs weigh in on this?

I often check packages.debian.org (*gasp*) and find a .deb that
contains the file I'm looking for.  Then I emerge the gentoo package
with the same name.  Yeah, well, it works.  Usually.
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Re: [gentoo-user] silly gentoo question: what packet gets me "spell" and "look"?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Monday 21 February 2005 07:00 pm, "A. Khattri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Thanks peter. Can you please do the same for spell?
>
> You mean you can't follow his example?

If he doesn't have spell and look, 'which spell' and 'which look' won't 
give him anything useful. :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] silly gentoo question: what packet gets me "spell" and "look"?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Monday 21 February 2005 06:08 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> It seems so silly but the trouble is that these words are so common that
> any sort of searching turns up hundreds of things I'm not looking for.
>
> Did I say hundreds? I mean millions.
>
> I'm looking for the old Unix "spell" and "look" command line tools. What
> gentoo package has these?

I'm not answering this question, but rather expounding on it.

In may cases a user may know what command (or file) they want but don't 
have any idea what category or package gentoo has placed it's provider.  
AFAIK, there's no way to ask portage this type of question, if there is: 
how?  Is an enchanment to portage for this functionality in the works; 
maybe a GLEP?  I understand there are difficulties to this type of 
indexing in gentoo (use flags; other types of conditions in ebuilds [like 
has_nptl]; etc.) but I'm sure it's possible, can any portage experts or 
gentoo-devs weigh in on this?

It seems to me that you could "simulate" an installation, record the use 
flags on (well, basically anything in emerge --info) and the files / 
commands created, throw that into a database and give out meaningful 
information.  This could either be done with some type of hetrogenous 
compile farm on the gentoo end or if simulation tools are "good 
enough" [1] on a single machine.

I understand that since ebuilds can branch on arbitrary conditions and, 
even if the ebuild doesn't branch, configure can cause different files to 
be compiles, indexes may not be completely accurate, but they might help.

[Alternatively, at least for common commands, this could simply be handled 
by a large number of virtuals like virtual/-command (E.g. 
virtual/spell-command).]

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[1] For example, some/many/most/all simply scan the command line and touch 
a few files, instead of doing any complex processing.
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Re: [gentoo-user] robin.gentoo.org

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Monday 21 February 2005 06:00 pm, Manuel McLure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > Manuel McLure wrote:
> >>It's called "not changing things that people depend on", AKA
> >> "backwards compatibility."
>
> Nick Rout wrote:
> > How about treating it as a lesson in "not depending on things that
> > might change" and/or "R'ing TFM"
>
> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>  > If you want to depend upon undocumented coincidences, that's entirely
>  > your affair. Don't complain when things break, however.
>
> It's becoming pretty obvious that although you are very smart people,
> you wouldn't last a day in a customer support environment. If I gave
> that answer to my customers, I'd be fired before the day was over.
> Sometimes the fact that you're technically right is not enough.

That's absolute BS.  It's is perfectly acceptable for my video card 
manufacturer to say "We don't support linux; use a supported OS" when I 
call to ask for linux drivers--even if it was working before.  It's also 
perfectly acceptable for mailing-list administrators to say "We don't 
support filtering on To/CC; use a supported header for filtering" when you 
try to filter on the wrong header--even if it was working before.

If a provider for any service specifies some interface and you use an 
unsupported one that just happens to work, you don't have a right to gripe 
when it finally breaks.

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Re: [gentoo-user] bind and bind-tools out of sync

[Thomas T. Veldhouse]

Mike Noble wrote:
There really is no reason why bind and bind-tools need to be the same
revision.  Bug/security updates to bind do not have any relevance to
bind-tools.  At the same time you can add functionality to bind-tools
which does not effect how bind works and thus why change the revision
because of the other.
Mike

Sure there is.  The libraries for each package differ.  They really need 
to be kept in sync so that the tools match the server.  Do we install 
mysql client tools for a different version of mysql [as an example]? 

Plain and simply put, these need to be synced or a solution that 
includes matching binaries should be considered [as an example, freebsd 
server ports ALWAY include the client tools, so the client tools are not 
needed to be rebuilt ... and even if they did need to be rebuilt, the 
versions match].

Tom Veldhouse
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[gentoo-user] AMD64 with nForce3-250 - Networking Just *Stopped* Working

[Michael Haan]

New install, roughly a week old.  Running 2.6.10-rc7 and everything
was fine networking wise after initially using "gentoo noapic" off the
cd.  Then last night *boom* it just stopped working.  I'm getting
"netconsole: not configured. aborting".  I've tried adding "noapic
pci=noacpi" in grub.conf to no avail.  Has anyone seen this?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A query on C/C++ and GDB

[Ed Grimm]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Hareesh Nagarajan wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:10:11 +0100, Philip Nilsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Run ldd on the program you want to debug to know what it
>> links against.
>
> For my program ldd says this among other things:
>
> libstdc++.so.5 =>
> /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.3.4/libstdc++.so.5 (0xb7f0d000)
>
> Now, how do I make sure that applications I write and run and is
> linked against a library with debug features (USE="debug emerge
> sys-libs/libstdc++-v3) enabled and all other C++ applications that run
> on the system are linked to the existing shared object? Is this
> possible?
>
> I just don't want the debugging info to slow exisiting C++ applications down.

Build a development system.

Hope that helps.

Sorry.


Looking for a software solution?  Well, if you have the disk space, you
can set up said development system as a chrooted environment, rather on
separate hardware.  Otherwise, I don't see a sane and maintainable
method of doing this.  (One could kludge it with an LD_LIBRARY_PATH, but
I believe that could be subject to occasional surprises every now and
then.)

Ed
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Re: [gentoo-user] trouble with logrotate & apache2

[Ed Grimm]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Covington, Chris wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Whenever I do a logrotate, it seems my apache2 stops logging though
> there are new log files created but with 0 size.  I'm using syslog-ng if
> it matters.
>
> I have the following logrotate configuration for apache2 (the prerotate
> scp works without prompting because I've exchanged keys):
>
> /var/log/apache2/*log {
> rotate 28
> daily
> prerotate
> /usr/bin/scp /var/log/apache2/access_log
> grettir:/var/log/videodrome
> postrotate
> /bin/kill -USR1 `cat /var/run/apache2.pid 2>/dev/null`
> 2> /dev/null || true
> endscript
> }
>
> The above postrotate action I've ripped from a Red Hat system which
> successfully logrotates but it didn't make any difference.
> I've tried replacing the postrotate with /etc/init.d/apache2 restart and
> I've also tried editing /etc/conf.d/apache2 to use "restart" instead of
> "graceful" to no avail.  I've also tried adding missingok
> notifempty create 0644 root root and sharedscripts but it doesn't make a
> difference.
>
> If I manually do a /etc/init.d/apache2 restart the logging resumes.
>
> What can I do?

Instead of using that kill line in postrotate (which, based upon a
perusal of the apache2 and apache2ctl manpages, appears to be
deprecated), invoke /etc/init.d/apache2 restart.

Editing /etc/conf.d/apache2 may do nothing if you're working directly
under the covers as you are above.

Incidentally, I believe the problem may be that you're doing a graceful
restart, which does not necessarily close the log files immediately
(and, if the system is busy, probably does not.)


So, um, this prerotate thing you do - you're copying the log file before
it is static?  You realize that you may not get the full log file that
way, right?

Ed
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Re: [gentoo-user] silly gentoo question: what packet gets me "spell" and "look"?

[michael]

Thanks. That should do it.
Now I can just alias spell='cat $* | aspell -l'
and I'll be back to normal...
Michael
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, A. Khattri wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yeah, I'm old school as well. Aspell uses curses and wants to suggest
corrections.
man aspell
You can use it as a filter too, i.e.
cat document | aspell -l
will produce a list of words it thinks are mispelled.
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Re: [gentoo-user] bind and bind-tools out of sync

[Mike Noble]

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|
| So, I have posted it here for more public exposure.  Does anybody else
| feel that havnig libraries for bind and bind-tools out of sync is a bad
| thing?
|
There really is no reason why bind and bind-tools need to be the same
revision.  Bug/security updates to bind do not have any relevance to
bind-tools.  At the same time you can add functionality to bind-tools
which does not effect how bind works and thus why change the revision
because of the other.
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Re: [gentoo-user] silly gentoo question: what packet gets me "spell" and "look"?

[A. Khattri]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Yeah, I'm old school as well. Aspell uses curses and wants to suggest
> corrections.

man aspell

You can use it as a filter too, i.e.

cat document | aspell -l

will produce a list of words it thinks are mispelled.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Problem starting ypbind

[Mike Noble]

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that DNS and NIS should not be the same.  So setting dnsdomainname
would/should not have any effect on NIS.
Mike
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[gentoo-user] AMD64 with nForce3-250 - Networking Just *Stopped* Working

[Michael Haan]

New install, roughly a week old.  Running 2.6.10-rc7 and everything
was fine networking wise after initially using "gentoo noapic" off the
cd.  Then last night *boom* it just stopped working.  I'm getting
"netconsole: not configured. aborting".  I've tried adding "noapic
pci=noacpi" in grub.conf to no avail.  Has anyone seen this?
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[gentoo-user] bind and bind-tools out of sync

[Thomas T. Veldhouse]

I have created a bug and NOBODY seems to respond to it.  It is listed below:
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79718
So, I have posted it here for more public exposure.  Does anybody else 
feel that havnig libraries for bind and bind-tools out of sync is a bad 
thing?

Thanks,
Tom Veldhouse
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Re: [gentoo-user] gnucash and the EURO sign

[Chris Prior]

Try the link I posted in the (german) forum at
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-2087256.html#2087256 :

http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Euro-Char-Support.html#AEN74

It is a gtk setting and

"cd /etc/gtk
ln -s gtkrc.iso-8859-15 gtkrc"

did it for me. Many people on the web have the trouble you describe.
But I rarely found this solution posted.


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Re: [gentoo-user] silly gentoo question: what packet gets me "spell" and "look"?

[michael]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, A. Khattri wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry, I should have explained.  since I don't have spell on my system,
I can't tell where it should be.
I tried the same place (/usr/bin) but qpkg couldn't find it. It did,
instead, find aspell, which I don't like as much. Is spell no longer
distributed?
Naa.. that's old school ;-)
Yeah, I'm old school as well. Aspell uses curses and wants to suggest
corrections. I just want to be told what's wrong, then I can figure out
the correction.
Plus the curses gets in the way when I'm on a tiny PDA or cellphone.
The old spell worked in all these cases.
All these newfangled ways of using computers. In my days, they were hand
crank start and wood burning.
Michael
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Re: [gentoo-user] Problem starting ypbind

[N. Owen Gunden]

On Tue, Feb 22, 2005 at 02:12:06AM +0200, Radu Filip wrote:
> I can do a number of workarounds, like adding a line like:
> /bin/domainname mydomain.com within the start body of ypbind and deleting 
> domainname from the dependencies list. Actually it works this way but I 
> really hate to do such hacks.

Did you try creating an /etc/dnsdomainname and seeing if the domainname
service would start?
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Re: [gentoo-user] New Gentoo installation won't let me set root's passwd [SOLVED]

[Ed Grimm]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Michael Sullivan wrote:

> >From /etc/make.conf:
>
> CFLAGS="-O2 -march=i686 -fomit-frame-pointer"
> CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
> CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
> MAKEOPTS="-j2"
>
>
> The machine is has a Pentium MMX 199MgHz processor, so I'm not sure if
> the i686 is right (I thought i686 was a Pentium II) so I changed CHOST
> to x86 and changed CFLAGS to i586 and re-emerged shadow.  It let me
> set the password...

i686 is a Pentium II.  Pentium MMX is, however, not one of those.  It's
a pentium-mmx.  Note that the performance difference is *not* sufficient
to justify a recompile from i586.

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Re: [gentoo-user] robin.gentoo.org

[Manuel McLure]

Manuel McLure wrote:
[Nasty stuff cut]
I want to apologize to Ciaran and Nick - that post was uncalled for. I 
should have stepped away from the thread earlier before my emotions got 
the better of me.

And now I'm *really* not going to post any more about this on the list, 
though the invitation to private email discussion remains open.
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Re: [gentoo-user] silly gentoo question: what packet gets me "spell" and "look"?

[A. Khattri]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Sorry, I should have explained.  since I don't have spell on my system,
> I can't tell where it should be.
>
> I tried the same place (/usr/bin) but qpkg couldn't find it. It did,
> instead, find aspell, which I don't like as much. Is spell no longer
> distributed?

Naa.. that's old school ;-)


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Re: [gentoo-user] silly gentoo question: what packet gets me "spell" and "look"?

[michael]

Sorry, I should have explained.  since I don't have spell on my system, 
I can't tell where it should be.

I tried the same place (/usr/bin) but qpkg couldn't find it. It did,
instead, find aspell, which I don't like as much. Is spell no longer
distributed?
 qpkg -f /usr/bin/spell
 app-text/aspell *
M
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, A. Khattri wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks peter. Can you please do the same for spell?
You mean you can't follow his example?
Teach a man to fish and all that...
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Re: [gentoo-user] Problem resolving hostnames against NIS

[Radu Filip]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Mike Noble wrote:

> If you have NIS then it should look like this:
> hosts:files nis dns

Oh, boy, I really have to go home. Thanks!
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Re: [gentoo-user] silly gentoo question: what packet gets me "spell" and "look"?

[A. Khattri]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Thanks peter. Can you please do the same for spell?

You mean you can't follow his example?

Teach a man to fish and all that...


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Re: [gentoo-user] silly gentoo question: what packet gets me "spell" and "look"?

[michael]

Thanks peter. Can you please do the same for spell?
M
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, Peter Ruskin wrote:
On Monday 21 February 2005 12:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It seems so silly but the trouble is that these words are so
common that any sort of searching turns up hundreds of things I'm
not looking for.
Did I say hundreds? I mean millions.
I'm looking for the old Unix "spell" and "look" command line
tools. What gentoo package has these?
[00:22 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]
$ which look
/usr/bin/look
[00:22 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]
$ qpkg -f /usr/bin/look
sys-apps/util-linux *
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Re: [gentoo-user] Problem resolving hostnames against NIS

[Mike Noble]

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Re: [gentoo-user] robin.gentoo.org

[Mike Noble]

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| On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:39:24 -0800, Manuel McLure wrote:
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|>I can't believe I'm reading this. The server is *broken* - not the
|>clients. The fact that you can "work around" the problem is not
|>acceptable.
|
|
| How can you claim the server is broken when the only header that is
| supposed to be used for filtering is correctly set, whichever server the
| mail comes from?
|
| Filtering on anything but List-Id/Mailing-List will fail on every list, it
| is only a matter of timing.
|
|
This is so true, I did not even know there was a problem, as my filter
is set so that if [gentoo-user] is in the subject then its goes to the
gentoo folder.  Every mailer I know of has this capability if it does
filtering at all.
Mike
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Re: [gentoo-user] robin.gentoo.org

[Holly Bostick]

Manuel McLure wrote:
It's becoming pretty obvious that although you are very smart people, 
you wouldn't last a day in a customer support environment. 
Now, that's pretty funny... because I have worked in various customer 
support environments for quite some time, and one of the reasons that it 
pays to be "very smart" in that field is because *sometimes you have to 
tell the customer that they are wrong*, in such a way that they don't 
lose it (and you don't lose them as a customer).

The customer is not always right. They may think that if they just do 
thus-and-so ("just click", buy whatever takes their fancy, whether or 
not their equipment/OS supports it, plug in a wireless card and be safe 
from having their bandwith stolen without lifting a finger to secure 
their system), that they have the right and ability to change 
natural/physical/electronic/gravitational law, but they don't.

And when they come face to face with the real world, CS is the one who 
has to tell them just what's going on, and how to fix it, if it's not 
already FUBAR'd beyond hope (which CS also has to be smart enough to 
figure out from the information they can pry out of a non-expert). So if 
CS isn't full of pretty smart people, CS doesn't last long, because it's 
a very delicate dance. Of course, charm helps, as does a certain amount 
of compassion, but a smart person can get around lacking those, if they 
must.

But this is not a customer service environment. Few if any of us have 
paid for Gentoo; we are only "customers" in the broadest sense. And if 
we are not aware by now that becoming a Gentoo "customer" is a 
cooperative agreement, that requires some active participation on our 
parts, then we have definitely made a mistake in becoming a Gentoo 
customer-- certainly in making *our* customers rely on Gentoo as well.

"But that's so elitist!" Give me a break. Some things are just the way 
they are. I have to stand on a stepstool to get some pots from the top 
of my kitchen cabinets; my boyfriend can reach them easily, because he's 
like a foot taller. It's not 'elitist' that he has the advantage of 
height and I don't; it's the way it is.

Gentoo is designed in such a way that the 'user' has to pay attention 
and exert energy to keep up with the daily changes-- usually they are 
improvements, but sometimes they aren't, and one needs to be awake for 
them, either way. That's not everybody's cup of tea, but it's not 
elitist to say that that's the way it needs to be if you intend to be 
here, any more than it's elitist to say that a construction worker needs 
to have physical strength and stamina in order to adequately perform 
his/her job. That's just the way it is.

And anyway, the bloody server isn't *broken*; it's *migrating* and it'll 
probably be done in a couple of days, knowing these guys. So it's a 
bloomin' tempest in a teapot in any case.

Holly
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: many ext3 filesystem errors on SW raid5

[Mike Williams]

On Sunday 20 February 2005 07:44, Francesco Talamona wrote:
> > Yes. But it involves lots of copying, and disk space :)
>
> I'm surprised you didn't suggest convertfs...
>
> There was a thread about ext-reiser migration early this year (was:
> "convert ext3 to reiserfs").

A thread which I participated in too...
hohum, that's what you get for posting at 1:55am, after a 12 hour sunday at 
work.

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Re: [gentoo-user] The "robin" Business: Please Take It Off List

[A. Khattri]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, fire-eyes wrote:

> All this mucking about over "robin" is populating the list with a lot of
> things that clearly don't need to be here

To paraphrase another response:
You're free to use another (threading) email client ;-)


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[gentoo-user] The "robin" Business: Please Take It Off List

[fire-eyes]

All this mucking about over "robin" is populating the list with a lot of
things that clearly don't need to be here, could you people please take
it off list. Regardless of who is right and who isn't.

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[gentoo-user] Problem resolving hostnames against NIS

[Radu Filip]

# cat /etc/nsswitch.conf|egrep -i hosts
hosts:   files dns

# ypcat hosts 
[ lot of hosts ... ]
192.168.1.1  server server.mydomain.com

# cat /etc/host.conf
order hosts,bind

# ping server
ping: unknown host server


I even tried to make /etc/host.conf looks like this:
# cat /etc/host.conf
order nis,hosts,bind

But still I cannot resolve the names against NIs, even if I see those 
hosts with ypcat.

Any ideas, please? Thx

Gentoo 2004.3, Kernel 2.4.28-gentoo-r7, "x86" up to date,
ypbind-1.17.2-r1, yp-tools-2.8
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Re: [gentoo-user] gnucash and the EURO sign

[William Meertens]

Thank you for your reply,

The settings within GnuCash only effect the booking formula and not the reports 
and menu or status bar. For system wide settings I use iso8859-15 and for the 
console lat9w-16. Setup like mentioned in the Gentoo Linux Localization Guide.

Since everything else works and searching the net, I see lot's of problems like 
this with GnuCash. Only I can't find a solution. With all the forums I have 
visited, they all end with no solution.

Not changing the fonts and only changing the language variable, the dollar sign 
pops up without a rebuild or doing anything else.

I still believe it has to do with building gnucash and therefor the source. 
What version works correct. If it works somewhere else it has to work with me 
also. Or am I wrong on that.

Cheers,
William.

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:29:21 +
Peter Ruskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote Re: [gentoo-user] gnucash and
the EURO sign :

> On Monday 21 February 2005 19:53, William Meertens wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I was wondering about the EURO sign. Every program, shell,
> > editor, java, php, office, window manager, everything. You name
> > it has a working euro-sign. Except one, GnuCash. With that one
> > the euro-sign is replaced with _.
> >
> > Is it needed to change the source for gnucash. Since that is the
> > only one that does not work. This is my current install : [ebuild
> >   R   ] app-office/gnucash-1.8.10  -chipcard -debug -hbci +nls
> > -ofx -postgres -quotes 0 kB
> >
> > If you were wondering these are my locale settings :
> > LANG="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
> > LC_MESSAGES="nl_BE"
> > LC_CTYPE="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
> > LC_COLLATE="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
> > LC_TIME="nl_BE"
> > LC_NUMERIC="nl_BE"
> > LC_MONETARY="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
> > LC_PAPER="nl_BE"
> > LC_TELEPHONE="nl_BE"
> > LC_ADDRESS="nl_BE"
> > LC_MEASUREMENT="nl_BE"
> > LC_NAME="nl_BE"
> >
> > But changing them in place (as in file location) or variable has
> > only effect on all the other programs and not GnuCash.
> 
> Not all fonts support the Euro.  Try changing your font in gnucash.
> 


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Re: [gentoo-user] Problem starting ypbind

[Radu Filip]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, N. Owen Gunden wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 09:32:56PM +0200, Radu Filip wrote:
> > That's odd on my side:
> > 
> > # /etc/init.d/domainname status
> >  * status:  stopped
> 
> Aha, I think this is our bogeyman.  You need to convince the system that
> domainname is started, somehow.

I can do a number of workarounds, like adding a line like:
/bin/domainname mydomain.com within the start body of ypbind and deleting 
domainname from the dependencies list. Actually it works this way but I 
really hate to do such hacks.

> It happened in a baselayout upgrade.  I wonder what version of
> baselayout you have?

I have baselayout-1.9.4-r6, the latest one in the "x86". Is a production 
macine, I would not use "~x86" for it.

Thank you for help, so in the end it seems there is a bug in the scripts,
and not a configuration error. ypbind starts now with the ugly hack above,
however, understanding the problem was the key ;-)

Thanks,
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Re: [gentoo-user] robin.gentoo.org

[Manuel McLure]

Manuel McLure wrote:
It's called "not changing things that people depend on", AKA "backwards 
compatibility."
Nick Rout wrote:
How about treating it as a lesson in "not depending on things that might change" and/or "R'ing TFM"
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> If you want to depend upon undocumented coincidences, that's entirely
> your affair. Don't complain when things break, however.
It's becoming pretty obvious that although you are very smart people, 
you wouldn't last a day in a customer support environment. If I gave 
that answer to my customers, I'd be fired before the day was over. 
Sometimes the fact that you're technically right is not enough.

And with that, I'm going to bow out of this discussion, at least on the 
list. I'll be happy to answer any private emails on this matter, but I 
think I'll spare the rest of the gentoo-user people this discussion.

P.S. This issue did not affect me directly - I was already using List-ID 
to filter. But the tone of the discussion set me off. I apologize for 
dragging this out as long as I did.

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Re: [gentoo-user] robin.gentoo.org

[Ciaran McCreesh]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:35:23 -0800 Manuel McLure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| Neil Bothwick wrote:
| > On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:39:24 -0800, Manuel McLure wrote:
| > 
| > 
| >>I can't believe I'm reading this. The server is *broken* - not the 
| >>clients. The fact that you can "work around" the problem is not
| >>acceptable.
| 
| It's called "not changing things that people depend on", AKA
| "backwards  compatibility."

If you want to depend upon undocumented coincidences, that's entirely
your affair. Don't complain when things break, however.

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Re: [gentoo-user] robin.gentoo.org

[Nick Rout]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:35:23 -0800
Manuel McLure wrote:

> It's called "not changing things that people depend on", AKA "backwards 
> compatibility."

How about treating it as a lesson in "not depending on things that might 
change" and/or "R'ing TFM"



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Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list address - who's robin?

[Qian Qiao]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:29:55 -0500 (EST), Brett I. Holcomb
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, I think the philosophy is that List-ID exists as part of the
> standards for mail transport so a decent client would handle it.  They
> would provide the ability to filter on that field.  From what I recall
> when I went through this one purpose of the header is to allow you to
> filter without worring about changes in list addresses.  I had that happen
> some time ago when gentoo's mail address changed.   I was filtering on
> the From address and someone pointed the List-id out to me.
> 

Yeah, we all know the lovely List-ID thingy, but before gmail can
filter that, we are doomed. XD

Well, not really, I posted a work-around earlier.

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Re: [gentoo-user] robin.gentoo.org

[Manuel McLure]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:39:24 -0800, Manuel McLure wrote:

I can't believe I'm reading this. The server is *broken* - not the 
clients. The fact that you can "work around" the problem is not
acceptable.
It's called "not changing things that people depend on", AKA "backwards 
compatibility."

But it's obvious that I'm a whining loser of a user, so my opinion 
doesn't matter. And then people wonder why Gentoo is getting a 
reputation as an elitist distribution.

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Re: [gentoo-user] robin.gentoo.org

[Manuel McLure]

Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| I am beginning to lose all respect for you, Ciaran. First with your 
| "bzzt-wrong!" when *you* had wrong information about the way MAC 
| addresses are supposed to be assigned to machines and network 
| interfaces, and now this.

You mean, how I actually read what's specified, and how it sometimes
doesn't fit in with your assumptions?
You mean how I posted chapter and verse from the IEEE 802-2001 spec 
which specifically says that having different MAC addresses for each 
network port on a machine (and in fact for each network port on a 
multi-port LAN card) is not only *allowed*, but *recommended*?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list address - who's robin?

[Brett I. Holcomb]

Well, I think the philosophy is that List-ID exists as part of the 
standards for mail transport so a decent client would handle it.  They 
would provide the ability to filter on that field.  From what I recall 
when I went through this one purpose of the header is to allow you to 
filter without worring about changes in list addresses.  I had that happen 
some time ago when gentoo's mail address changed.   I was filtering on 
the From address and someone pointed the List-id out to me.

 On Mon, 21 Feb 
2005, A. Khattri wrote:

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Holly Bostick wrote:
Not necessarily... obviously there's nothing one can do about gmail, but
  I just did a test on Thunderbird, which does not "natively" give you
the List-Id header as a choice in the message filters fields.
That's not the point though is it? - users shouldn't be *have* alter their
setups to deal with this.
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Re: [gentoo-user] robin.gentoo.org

[Neil Bothwick]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:39:24 -0800, Manuel McLure wrote:

> I can't believe I'm reading this. The server is *broken* - not the 
> clients. The fact that you can "work around" the problem is not
> acceptable.

How can you claim the server is broken when the only header that is
supposed to be used for filtering is correctly set, whichever server the
mail comes from?

Filtering on anything but List-Id/Mailing-List will fail on every list, it
is only a matter of timing.


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Re: [gentoo-user] robin.gentoo.org

[Ciaran McCreesh]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:39:24 -0800 Manuel McLure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| > 
| > You're entirely free to use a different mail client.
| > 
| 
| I can't believe I'm reading this. The server is *broken* - not the 
| clients. The fact that you can "work around" the problem is not
| acceptable.

Not at all. The server is performing exactly as specified in the
description. We *specifically state* on the mailing lists page that you
should filter by List-Id or subject. If you want to write duff rules, go
ahead, but don't blame us.

| I am beginning to lose all respect for you, Ciaran. First with your 
| "bzzt-wrong!" when *you* had wrong information about the way MAC 
| addresses are supposed to be assigned to machines and network 
| interfaces, and now this.

You mean, how I actually read what's specified, and how it sometimes
doesn't fit in with your assumptions?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list address - who's robin?

[Nick Rout]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:56:09 +
David Morgan wrote:

> > Fair comment, but you are ignoring the gmail people who apparently
> > cannot filter on List-ID - I say apparently because I have not tried it
> > myself.
> > 
> 
> They can do filter by subject though, and since all emails from
> gentoo-user have [gentoo-user] in the subject (where as the to field
> isn't reliable anyway) that should do the trick.

thats not reliable either. If I reply to you offlist and don't change
the subject (a very comon event), then your setup will filter it into
the gentoo-user folder, even though its not list mail.

> 
> Or they could just not use pop3 to fetch their mail instead of using
> gmail's web interface.

I thought the idea was to maintain it in a central place...



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Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list address - who's robin?

[Qian Qiao]

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:41:08 +1300, Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:30:11 +
> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> 
> > | That's not the point though is it? - users shouldn't be *have* alter
> > | their setups to deal with this.
> >
> > Then users shouldn't've made duff rules to begin with. We *do* say to
> > filter on List-Id on the mailing lists page[1]...
> >
> > [1]: http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml
> 
> Fair comment, but you are ignoring the gmail people who apparently
> cannot filter on List-ID - I say apparently because I have not tried it
> myself.

The only work-around for gmail users I can think of is:
in the filter rules, instead of typing the entire address, i.e.,
[EMAIL PROTECTED], put "gentoo-user" (without quotes) in
instead.

HTH.

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Re: [gentoo-user] robin.gentoo.org

[Daniel Corbe]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:39:24 -0800, Manuel McLure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:19:12 -0700 Collins Richey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > | Whatever the threading, Ajai has it just right: fix the gentoo
> > | server(s).
> > |
> > | I read earlier in the thread(s) opinions stating that the user is the
> > | problem. Since not every mailer has the same filtering capability, I
> > | can't accept that opinion. Solve the problem at the source (the
> > | server), and this thread can die.
> >
> > You're entirely free to use a different mail client.
> >
> 
> I can't believe I'm reading this. The server is *broken* - not the
> clients. The fact that you can "work around" the problem is not acceptable.
> 
> I am beginning to lose all respect for you, Ciaran. First with your
> "bzzt-wrong!" when *you* had wrong information about the way MAC
> addresses are supposed to be assigned to machines and network
> interfaces, and now this.
> 
> --
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> no man may kill a cat.   -- H.P. Lovecraft
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> 
> 

In the amount of time that you spent complaining about having to make
minor adjustments to your filtering, you could have fixed it and moved
on with your life.  If it is so bothersome to you then why are you
even subscribed to the list to begin with?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list address - who's robin?

[Daniel Corbe]

More to the point (and sorry for the noise) if the mailing list
traffic bothers you that much that you are so troubled when asked to
make a small change to your filtering, then why do you even subscribe
to mailing lists to begin with?


On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:58:10 -0500, Daniel Corbe
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:53:00 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Holly Bostick wrote:
> >
> > > Not necessarily... obviously there's nothing one can do about gmail, but
> > >   I just did a test on Thunderbird, which does not "natively" give you
> > > the List-Id header as a choice in the message filters fields.
> >
> > That's not the point though is it? - users shouldn't be *have* alter their
> > setups to deal with this.
> >
> > --
> >
> > --
> > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
> >
> >
> 
> How big of a deal is it really to spend all of 30 seconds to fix your
> filters?  Are you really that lazy?
> 
> Did anyone else notice that when you hit "Reply to All" both
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and gentoo-user@gentoo.org were in CC:
> and TO: respectivly.
> 
> -Daniel
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Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list address - who's robin?

[Daniel Corbe]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:53:00 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Holly Bostick wrote:
> 
> > Not necessarily... obviously there's nothing one can do about gmail, but
> >   I just did a test on Thunderbird, which does not "natively" give you
> > the List-Id header as a choice in the message filters fields.
> 
> That's not the point though is it? - users shouldn't be *have* alter their
> setups to deal with this.
> 
> --
> 
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> 
> 

How big of a deal is it really to spend all of 30 seconds to fix your
filters?  Are you really that lazy?

Did anyone else notice that when you hit "Reply to All" both
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and gentoo-user@gentoo.org were in CC:
and TO: respectivly.

-Daniel
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Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list address - who's robin?

[David Morgan]

On 11:41 Tue 22 Feb , Nick Rout wrote:
> Fair comment, but you are ignoring the gmail people who apparently
> cannot filter on List-ID - I say apparently because I have not tried it
> myself.
> 

They can do filter by subject though, and since all emails from
gentoo-user have [gentoo-user] in the subject (where as the to field
isn't reliable anyway) that should do the trick.

Or they could just not use pop3 to fetch their mail instead of using
gmail's web interface.

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Re: [gentoo-user] sensors on A7V600

[Tamas Sarga]

On Sat, 19 Feb 2005, Luigi Pinna wrote:

> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:25:58 +
> From: Luigi Pinna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: List Gentoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [gentoo-user] sensors on A7V600
>
> Hey to everybody!
> has someone a sensors.conf calibrated for this motherboard?
> I see worng values on:
> Vcore 2 is 0 (doesnt't work?)
> +3.3 is 6.43
> -12 is -27.4
> -5 is -13.6
> What do I must change?
> Thanks a lot
> Luigi

Hi,

There are few lines in /etc/sensors.conf what are for A7V600 temperature
inverter. It is commented out by default. You should remove the comment
signs and try again. Just search fo A7V600 in conf file.

HTH.
Cheers,
Tamas Sarga Sárga Tamás
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Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list address - who's robin?

[Nick Rout]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:30:11 +
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:

> | That's not the point though is it? - users shouldn't be *have* alter
> | their setups to deal with this.
> 
> Then users shouldn't've made duff rules to begin with. We *do* say to
> filter on List-Id on the mailing lists page[1]...
> 
> [1]: http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml

Fair comment, but you are ignoring the gmail people who apparently
cannot filter on List-ID - I say apparently because I have not tried it
myself.




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Re: [gentoo-user] robin.gentoo.org

[Manuel McLure]

Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:19:12 -0700 Collins Richey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| Whatever the threading, Ajai has it just right: fix the gentoo
| server(s).
| 
| I read earlier in the thread(s) opinions stating that the user is the
| problem. Since not every mailer has the same filtering capability, I
| can't accept that opinion. Solve the problem at the source (the
| server), and this thread can die.

You're entirely free to use a different mail client.
I can't believe I'm reading this. The server is *broken* - not the 
clients. The fact that you can "work around" the problem is not acceptable.

I am beginning to lose all respect for you, Ciaran. First with your 
"bzzt-wrong!" when *you* had wrong information about the way MAC 
addresses are supposed to be assigned to machines and network 
interfaces, and now this.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list address - who's robin?

[Nick Rout]

for those who have gmail and cannot sort on List-ID, is it possible to
filter on something like:

To: OR cc: = [EMAIL PROTECTED]

ie this covers any host name between the "@" and the "gentoo.org"

I know procmail could do this. but then again if you have access to
procmail you can use the List-Id 


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Re: [gentoo-user] robin.gentoo.org

[Ciaran McCreesh]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:19:12 -0700 Collins Richey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| Whatever the threading, Ajai has it just right: fix the gentoo
| server(s).
| 
| I read earlier in the thread(s) opinions stating that the user is the
| problem. Since not every mailer has the same filtering capability, I
| can't accept that opinion. Solve the problem at the source (the
| server), and this thread can die.

You're entirely free to use a different mail client.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list address - who's robin?

[Ciaran McCreesh]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:53:00 -0500 (EST) "A. Khattri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Holly Bostick wrote:
| > Not necessarily... obviously there's nothing one can do about gmail,
| > but
| >   I just did a test on Thunderbird, which does not "natively" give
| >   you
| > the List-Id header as a choice in the message filters fields.
| 
| That's not the point though is it? - users shouldn't be *have* alter
| their setups to deal with this.

Then users shouldn't've made duff rules to begin with. We *do* say to
filter on List-Id on the mailing lists page[1]...

[1]: http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml

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[gentoo-user] Re: emerge -e, skip ahead?

[Jesse Guardiani]

Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

> On Monday 21 February 2005 11:47 am, Jesse Guardiani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> On Monday 21 February 2005 12:31 pm, you wrote:
>> > Jesse Guardiani wrote:
>> > >I had a power failure last night on this
>> > >machine after already compiling 147 packages.
>> > >
>> > >Is there any way I can trick portage into starting
>> > >on package # 147 in a 537 package `emerge -e world`
>> > >operation?
>> > >
>> > >Thanks!
>> >
>> > emerge --resume
>>
>> I don't think that works with -e. I tried it and got
>> an error message stating that there was nothing to
>> resume. I think --resume only resumes individual emerges,
>> not batch operations.
> 
> 1) --resume is meant to be used alone, it doesn't make sense to use it
> with
> -e.  It can be used to resume a merge process started with -e, though.

Ah ha! There should be a note about that in the man page! Thanks! That works
quite well!


> 2) --resume works ONLY for "batch" operations.  Individual packages have
> the entire emerge process repeated (clean work dir, extract, configure,
> compile, merge).
> 
>> Either that or it doesn't work after a reboot
> 
> It will work after a reboot, but not afer any other emerge has started.


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Re: [gentoo-user] robin.gentoo.org

[Collins Richey]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:02:48 -0600, Andrew Gaffney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A. Khattri wrote:
> > Looks like one of the gentoo.org machines is not quite configured
> > correctly - looks like email addresses are not being rewritten properly.
> >
> > The result is that posts from that machine are coming from
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > My server-side filtering of Gentoo mailing lists is not working for these
> > posts. Can someone fix this please?
> 
> Do you actually read the mail to this list? There's been a thread going on 
> for a
> few hours about the same thing with the subject "Mailing list address - who's
> robin?"
> 

Whatever the threading, Ajai has it just right: fix the gentoo server(s).

I read earlier in the thread(s) opinions stating that the user is the
problem. Since not every mailer has the same filtering capability, I
can't accept that opinion. Solve the problem at the source (the
server), and this thread can die.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list address - who's robin?

[Andrew Gaffney]

A. Khattri wrote:
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, Nick Rout wrote:

Indeed the OP said s/he filtered on the To: field, but this comes
unstuck if the list address was in the CC: or BCC: fields. I learned
ages ago to filter on List-ID or something else unlikely to change.
Unfortunately, maildrop's hasaddr() function (which helps keep my
filtering rules simple) doesn't look at List-ID headers so I will have to
redo all my filtering rules (I am on a *lot* of lists!).
Here's a snippet from my ~/.mailfilter (I use maildrop also). I don't know about 
you, but that seems pretty easy to me.

MAILDIR="$HOME/.maildir"
if ( /^List-Id: .+ / )
{
to "${MAILDIR}/.gentoo-user"
}
if ( /^List-Id: .+ / )
{
to "${MAILDIR}/.gentoo-hppa"
}
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Re: [gentoo-user] silly gentoo question: what packet gets me "spell" and "look"?

[A. Khattri]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> It seems so silly but the trouble is that these words are so common that
> any sort of searching turns up hundreds of things I'm not looking for.
>
> Did I say hundreds? I mean millions.
>
> I'm looking for the old Unix "spell" and "look" command line tools. What
> gentoo package has these?

The common ones are aspell and ispell. Also look at spellutils.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list address - who's robin?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Monday 21 February 2005 03:26 pm, Holly Bostick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Andrew Gaffney wrote:
> Well, that's the thing. I don't consider my previous setup (filtering on
> Subject contains [gentoo-user] and the like)

Speaking of, does anyone know how to turn that subject-munging off?  It 
annoys me.  I've turned it off on all my lists 'cept the gentoo ones, but 
I can't figure out gentoos mailing list manager, I guess.

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[gentoo-user] silly gentoo question: what packet gets me "spell" and "look"?

[michael]

It seems so silly but the trouble is that these words are so common that
any sort of searching turns up hundreds of things I'm not looking for.
Did I say hundreds? I mean millions.
I'm looking for the old Unix "spell" and "look" command line tools. What
gentoo package has these?
Thanks very much,
Michael Shiloh
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Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list address - who's robin?

[A. Khattri]

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, Nick Rout wrote:

> Indeed the OP said s/he filtered on the To: field, but this comes
> unstuck if the list address was in the CC: or BCC: fields. I learned
> ages ago to filter on List-ID or something else unlikely to change.

Unfortunately, maildrop's hasaddr() function (which helps keep my
filtering rules simple) doesn't look at List-ID headers so I will have to
redo all my filtering rules (I am on a *lot* of lists!).

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Re: [gentoo-user] libtool .la problems after gcc upgrade 3.3.4 to 3.3.5

[Karsten Baumgarten]

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|>|>
|>|>No. Run fix_libtool_files.sh 3.3.4.
|>|
|>| I bet you already had this discusssion, but shouldn't this be run
|>| automatically?
|>
|>No, since GCC is slotted and portage doesn't know whether you want to
|>switch to your new shiny GCC profile or keep compiling stuff with the
|>old one. In fact portage switches profiles automatically, but running
|>the script in the process would result in a non-working (not
|>recoverable, since the script doesn't support it) old profile.
|
|
| Could an USE flag be introduced that takes care of this?
|
| I mean this fix_libtool thing breaks emerge -u world.
| And may break glsa-check -f all (ok this is unsupported)
Feel free to file a bug with your request. :)
Regards,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list address - who's robin?

[A. Khattri]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Holly Bostick wrote:

> It seems weird to hear a Gentoo user saying that users should be
> inflexible in their configurations-- and stand on that right, by gum!

That's because I work for an ISP and the customer is pretty important.
We try not to inconvenience the customer too much ;-)

I obviously got your "hackles up" prompting an overly length response.
Never mind.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Looking up... Connecting... Waiting... Transferring

[Kashani]

Grant wrote:
I've been optimizing my site's performance by tuning the server-side
code and watching how it affects the amount of time Firefox reports as
"Waiting".  It seems like the "Transferring" time would be optimized
by reducing the size of the HTML to download.  What about "Looking up"
and "Connecting"?
I noticed that if I'm doing a lot of clicking around there is pretty
much no time spent with either of those, but if I work on something
and then come back to the browser after a bit, Firefox can really
spend some time there.  I'd imagine that is apache's area.  What can I
do to minimize the time needed to look up and connect?
	I'm wondering how you're getting any sort of concrete numbers out of 
anything. If you're eyeballing Firefox and going by feel it's going to 
be hard for you see where the problem is or if there is one. If it were 
me, I'd do something like the following:

1. Add a "time to render page" into your test page. I normally see this 
in php pages, but assume it's not hard to do. This should give you some 
sort of idea of how complicated the page was to put together o the 
server side.

2. use curl or other command line tool to pull the page. preferably 
using the time command. Do this and write times to a file every 30 seconds.

3. Write a script to check server load and record it to a file every 30 
secs.

4. send 10 pings or so to the server from the client and record times to 
a file every 30 secs

When you can compare server load to time for the server to render page 
to time to download the page to ping times you will have interesting 
data. Otherwise you have no idea if it's the connection, the server or 
the client.

I'm not sure how well most of the what I listed would work in actually 
implementation, but the idea of getting things put into tools that you 
can measure in milliseconds is never bad.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: many ext3 filesystem errors on SW raid5

[Matthias F. Brandstetter]

-- quoting Francesco Talamona --
> I'm surprised you didn't suggest convertfs...
>
> There was a thread about ext-reiser migration early this year (was:
> "convert ext3 to reiserfs").

Thanks for your tip, but I moved my data via copying to a temp. drive...
Greetings and thx, Matthias

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list address - who's robin?

[Holly Bostick]

Andrew Gaffney wrote:
A. Khattri wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Holly Bostick wrote:

Not necessarily... obviously there's nothing one can do about gmail, but
 I just did a test on Thunderbird, which does not "natively" give you
the List-Id header as a choice in the message filters fields.
That's not the point though is it? - users shouldn't be *have* alter 
their
setups to deal with this.
If users had decent filter setups to begin with, there would be nothing 
to alter. I haven't had to alter any of my filters because I filter on 
List-id.

Well, that's the thing. I don't consider my previous setup (filtering on 
Subject contains [gentoo-user] and the like) to have been a "decent 
filter setup", but it worked as an ugly hack. Clearly, filtering on 
List-Id is more elegant and "secure" in the sense that it's more likely 
to work properly as it is less subject to possible error-- for instance, 
if somebody mailed me off-topic because of something I said on the list, 
that mail would be filtered to the ML folder due to the subject, which 
is not actually where I would want it. Whereas, with the new system, it 
would not be filtered to the ML folder because it wouldn't have the 
List-Id, which is the behaviour I would want.

But the only reason I did it that way was because I didn't know any 
better, so thanks a lot for teaching me something and sorry, A., but 
I don't get your point.

The reason that applications are configurable, is so that users can 
configure them. I had not configured Thunderbird, so naturally I had the 
potential to run into "problems" with the intermediate setup of the list 
server. But had I configured it in the first place, and not relied on 
Mozilla.org's "best guess" on what "sane defaults" I needed, I probably 
wouldn't have noticed anything was even happening, except for the odd 
address in some user's reply-to's.

It seems weird to hear a Gentoo user saying that users should be 
inflexible in their configurations-- and stand on that right, by gum!

Holly
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Re: [gentoo-user] Looking up... Connecting... Waiting... Transferring

[Grant]

> > > That might be true for YOU but not necessarily for everyone else.
> >
> > If it's true for me, it's almost definitely true for others, and
> > that's a problem.  It doesn't need to be true for "everyone else" to
> > be a problem.
> 
> Mind giving us a URL so we can DOS^H^H^Hhelp figure it out for you?

No thanks Mr. Dos, but that's a really nice offer.

- Grant
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Re: [gentoo-user] Looking up... Connecting... Waiting... Transferring

[N. Owen Gunden]

On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 12:37:44PM -0800, Grant wrote:
> > That might be true for YOU but not necessarily for everyone else.
> 
> If it's true for me, it's almost definitely true for others, and
> that's a problem.  It doesn't need to be true for "everyone else" to
> be a problem.

Mind giving us a URL so we can DOS^H^H^Hhelp figure it out for you?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list address - who's robin?

[Nick Rout]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:24:58 -0600
Andrew Gaffney wrote:


> 
> If users had decent filter setups to begin with, there would be nothing to 
> alter. I haven't had to alter any of my filters because I filter on List-id.

Indeed the OP said s/he filtered on the To: field, but this comes
unstuck if the list address was in the CC: or BCC: fields. I learned
ages ago to filter on List-ID or something else unlikely to change.

> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Looking up... Connecting... Waiting... Transferring

[Grant]

> > "A few seconds" can easily be the difference between a customer
> > spending enough time on my site to find something they want to buy,
> > and not.  When I click on a search results link, I'll hit stop and try
> > another link if the page takes a few seconds too long to load.
> 
> That might be true for YOU but not necessarily for everyone else.

If it's true for me, it's almost definitely true for others, and
that's a problem.  It doesn't need to be true for "everyone else" to
be a problem.

> > It just seems silly to work on speeding up my server's execution time,
> > and even make sacrifices for greater speed, until I can get a page to
> > serve in 1 second instead of 4, and then realize I'm sometimes waiting
> > as long as 10 seconds before my code is even executed.
> 
> To really say "oh its a server issue" you need to test from different
> places through different Internet access methods. Dont assume it is slow
> just because it is from YOUR computer.

I'm not necessarily saying it's a server problem.  I'm trying to
figure out if it's a fixable problem.

- Grant
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Re: [gentoo-user] Mysql 4.1.x no utf8 support

[A. Khattri]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Paul Muaddib wrote:

> I hope can find here some help. I have no further ideas ...
> I ma trying to install mysql 4.1.X ( current ebuilds on my system are:
> 4.1.7, 4.1.8(-r1) ). I already emerged every single package of it but I
> always get the following message after running mysql_install_db and setting
> a password with mysqladmin ( yeah it really works ):
>
> mysql: Character set 'utf8_bin' is not a compiled character set and is not
> specified in the '/usr/share/mysql/charsets/Index.xml' file
>
> And of course if I look at that directory there is really nothing of utf8
> even the Index.xml doesn't reference any utf8
>
> Any ideas ? If you need more information about the system pls let me know.

Maybe this?

http://www.issociate.de/board/post/162759/How_to_set_utf8_as_default_character_set_insteasd_of_lantin1_?.html


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Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list address - who's robin?

[Andrew Gaffney]

A. Khattri wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Holly Bostick wrote:

Not necessarily... obviously there's nothing one can do about gmail, but
 I just did a test on Thunderbird, which does not "natively" give you
the List-Id header as a choice in the message filters fields.
That's not the point though is it? - users shouldn't be *have* alter their
setups to deal with this.
If users had decent filter setups to begin with, there would be nothing to 
alter. I haven't had to alter any of my filters because I filter on List-id.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Problem starting ypbind

[N. Owen Gunden]

On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 09:32:56PM +0200, Radu Filip wrote:
> That's odd on my side:
> 
> # /etc/init.d/domainname status
>  * status:  stopped

Aha, I think this is our bogeyman.  You need to convince the system that
domainname is started, somehow.

-- aside explaining /etc/conf.d/domainname --
If you run ~x86, the way domainname is configured has changed recently.
It happened in a baselayout upgrade.  I wonder what version of
baselayout you have?

I believe the instructions flew by in an einfo or something.. I probably
only caught it because I use this enotice patch:
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11359
(which by the way is _very_ helpful..)

If you have the newer baselayout, you should be using
/etc/conf.d/domainname instead of /etc/dnsdomainname and
/etc/nisdomainname.
-- end aside --

However, judging by your comments about /etc/init.d/domainname, it
sounds like you are still using the older-style baselayout.

> # cat /etc/domainname
> mydomain.com

I think this is supposed to be /etc/dnsdomainname.  IIRC for some stupid
reason the error messages are commented out when one of the files is
missing :P.

> There is no /etc/conf.d/domainname. I tried to move /etc/domainname to 
> /etc/conf.d/domainname but no good:

Yeah that won't work, /etc/conf.d/domainname is not the same as
/etc/domainname.

> I also looked into /etc/init.d/domainname and I see it is not looking
> for any /etc/conf.d/domainname, but for /etc/domainname and
> /etc/nisdomainname, which are redundant(?) and both set the same

They don't have to be the same, so they're not necessarily redundant.

> What is wrong with domainname?

Try moving /etc/domainname to /etc/dnsdomainname and starting domainname
again.
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Re: [gentoo-user] robin.gentoo.org

[A. Khattri]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Andrew Gaffney wrote:

> A. Khattri wrote:
> > Looks like one of the gentoo.org machines is not quite configured
> > correctly - looks like email addresses are not being rewritten properly.
> >
> > The result is that posts from that machine are coming from
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > My server-side filtering of Gentoo mailing lists is not working for these
> > posts. Can someone fix this please?
>
> Do you actually read the mail to this list? There's been a thread going on 
> for a
> few hours about the same thing with the subject "Mailing list address - who's
> robin?"

Yeah I just read (after my post unfortunately). This is what happens when
Gentoo mail ends up in my regular inbox instead of my gentoo-user folder!

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Re: [gentoo-user] Looking up... Connecting... Waiting... Transferring

[A. Khattri]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Grant wrote:

> "A few seconds" can easily be the difference between a customer
> spending enough time on my site to find something they want to buy,
> and not.  When I click on a search results link, I'll hit stop and try
> another link if the page takes a few seconds too long to load.

That might be true for YOU but not necessarily for everyone else.

> It just seems silly to work on speeding up my server's execution time,
> and even make sacrifices for greater speed, until I can get a page to
> serve in 1 second instead of 4, and then realize I'm sometimes waiting
> as long as 10 seconds before my code is even executed.

To really say "oh its a server issue" you need to test from different
places through different Internet access methods. Dont assume it is slow
just because it is from YOUR computer.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Build Problem With AMD64

[A. Khattri]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Patrick wrote:

> checking for x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc...
> /var/tmp/portage/gcc-3.4.3.20050110/work/build/gcc/xgcc
> -B/var/tmp/portage/gcc-3.4.3.20050110/work/build/gcc/
> -B/usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ -B/usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/lib/
> -isystem /usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/include -isystem
> /usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/sys-include  -m32
> checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out
> checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run
> C compiled programs.
> If you meant to cross compile, use `--host'.
> See `config.log' for more details.
> make[1]: *** [configure-target-libstdc++-v3] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/gcc-3.4.3.20050110/work/build'
> make: *** [profiledbootstrap] Error 2
>
>
> that's on doing an emerge -u gcc
>
> anyone have any ideas ?

You probably should subscribe to the gentoo-amd64 list.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list address - who's robin?

[A. Khattri]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Holly Bostick wrote:

> Not necessarily... obviously there's nothing one can do about gmail, but
>   I just did a test on Thunderbird, which does not "natively" give you
> the List-Id header as a choice in the message filters fields.

That's not the point though is it? - users shouldn't be *have* alter their
setups to deal with this.


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Re: [gentoo-user] robin.gentoo.org

[Richard Brown]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:40:12 -0500 (EST), A. Khattri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Looks like one of the gentoo.org machines is not quite configured
> correctly - looks like email addresses are not being rewritten properly.

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/120052
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Re: [gentoo-user] robin.gentoo.org

[Andrew Gaffney]

A. Khattri wrote:
Looks like one of the gentoo.org machines is not quite configured
correctly - looks like email addresses are not being rewritten properly.
The result is that posts from that machine are coming from
[EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My server-side filtering of Gentoo mailing lists is not working for these
posts. Can someone fix this please?
Do you actually read the mail to this list? There's been a thread going on for a 
few hours about the same thing with the subject "Mailing list address - who's 
robin?"

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[gentoo-user] robin.gentoo.org

[A. Khattri]

Looks like one of the gentoo.org machines is not quite configured
correctly - looks like email addresses are not being rewritten properly.

The result is that posts from that machine are coming from
[EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED]

My server-side filtering of Gentoo mailing lists is not working for these
posts. Can someone fix this please?


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[gentoo-user] gnucash and the EURO sign

[William Meertens]

Hi all,

I was wondering about the EURO sign. Every program, shell, editor, java, php, 
office, window manager, everything. You name it has a working euro-sign. Except 
one, GnuCash. With that one the euro-sign is replaced with _.

Is it needed to change the source for gnucash. Since that is the only one that 
does not work. This is my current install :
[ebuild   R   ] app-office/gnucash-1.8.10  -chipcard -debug -hbci +nls -ofx 
-postgres -quotes 0 kB

If you were wondering these are my locale settings :
LANG="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
LC_MESSAGES="nl_BE"
LC_CTYPE="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
LC_COLLATE="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
LC_TIME="nl_BE"
LC_NUMERIC="nl_BE"
LC_MONETARY="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
LC_PAPER="nl_BE"
LC_TELEPHONE="nl_BE"
LC_ADDRESS="nl_BE"
LC_MEASUREMENT="nl_BE"
LC_NAME="nl_BE"

But changing them in place (as in file location) or variable has only effect on 
all the other programs and not GnuCash.

Thanks in advance,
William.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list address - who's robin?

[John Myers]

On Monday 21 February 2005 10:48, Holly Bostick wrote:
> And if Thunderbird can do it, Mozilla probably can too. KMail, I don't know.

KMail actually has a really nice feature: right-click on the message's entry in 
the list,
then Create Filter->Filter on mailing list , which uses the 
List-Id header.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Problem starting ypbind

[Radu Filip]

Altough this works:
# /bin/domainname
mydomain.com

So domain name "daemon" may not be the issue...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Problem starting ypbind

[Radu Filip]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, N. Owen Gunden wrote:

> All of that looks OK (exactly like what I'm running, in fact).  I wonder
> if you've got some kind of circular dependency with domainname?  (Have
> you changed any /etc/init.d scripts?)

No, I didn't changed anything

>  Make sure domainname, hostname,
> and portmap are "running" with:
>
> /etc/init.d/domainname status
> /etc/init.d/hostname status
> /etc/init.d/portmap status
>
> And I assume you've set /etc/conf.d/domainname?  (NISDOMAIN needs to be
> set.)

That's odd on my side:

# /etc/init.d/hostname status
 * status:  started
# /etc/init.d/domainname status
 * status:  stopped
# /etc/init.d/portmap status
 * status:  started

# /etc/init.d/domainname start
 * Setting NIS domainname to mydomain.com...[ ok ]
# /etc/init.d/domainname status
 * status:  stopped

# cat /etc/domainname
mydomain.com
# cat /etc/nisdomainname
mydomain.com

There is no /etc/conf.d/domainname. I tried to move /etc/domainname to 
/etc/conf.d/domainname but no good:

# mv /etc/domainname /etc/conf.d/
# /etc/init.d/domainname start
/sbin/runscript.sh: line 1: mydomain.com: command not found
 * Setting NIS domainname to mydomain.com...   [ ok ]
# /etc/init.d/domainname status
/sbin/runscript.sh: line 1: mydomain.com: command not found
 * status:  stopped

I also looked into /etc/init.d/domainname and I see it is not looking for 
any /etc/conf.d/domainname, but for /etc/domainname and 
/etc/nisdomainname, which are redundant(?) and both set the same

What is wrong with domainname?
  Radu
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[gentoo-user] Mysql 4.1.x no utf8 support

[Paul Muaddib]

Hey guys,

I hope can find here some help. I have no further ideas ...
I ma trying to install mysql 4.1.X ( current ebuilds on my system are:
4.1.7, 4.1.8(-r1) ). I already emerged every single package of it but I
always get the following message after running mysql_install_db and setting
a password with mysqladmin ( yeah it really works ):

mysql: Character set 'utf8_bin' is not a compiled character set and is not
specified in the '/usr/share/mysql/charsets/Index.xml' file

And of course if I look at that directory there is really nothing of utf8
even the Index.xml doesn't reference any utf8

Any ideas ? If you need more information about the system pls let me know.

Regards, 

Paul

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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -e, skip ahead?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Monday 21 February 2005 11:47 am, Jesse Guardiani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> On Monday 21 February 2005 12:31 pm, you wrote:
> > Jesse Guardiani wrote:
> > >I had a power failure last night on this
> > >machine after already compiling 147 packages.
> > >
> > >Is there any way I can trick portage into starting
> > >on package # 147 in a 537 package `emerge -e world`
> > >operation?
> > >
> > >Thanks!
> >
> > emerge --resume
>
> I don't think that works with -e. I tried it and got
> an error message stating that there was nothing to
> resume. I think --resume only resumes individual emerges,
> not batch operations.

1) --resume is meant to be used alone, it doesn't make sense to use it with 
-e.  It can be used to resume a merge process started with -e, though.

2) --resume works ONLY for "batch" operations.  Individual packages have 
the entire emerge process repeated (clean work dir, extract, configure, 
compile, merge).

> Either that or it doesn't work after a reboot

It will work after a reboot, but not afer any other emerge has started.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Problem starting ypbind

[N. Owen Gunden]

On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 08:34:35PM +0200, Radu Filip wrote:
> # epm -q ypbind yp-tools
> ypbind-1.17.2-r1
> yp-tools-2.8
> 
> [... contents of ypbind files ...]

All of that looks OK (exactly like what I'm running, in fact).  I wonder
if you've got some kind of circular dependency with domainname?  (Have
you changed any /etc/init.d scripts?)  Make sure domainname, hostname,
and portmap are "running" with:

/etc/init.d/domainname status
/etc/init.d/hostname status
/etc/init.d/portmap status

And I assume you've set /etc/conf.d/domainname?  (NISDOMAIN needs to be
set.)

 - O
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[gentoo-user] problem emerging glibmm

[Mauro Faccenda]

When I try to compile glibmm I get these error:
../../glib/glibmm/.libs/libglibmm-2.4.so: undefined reference to 
`sigc::internal::signal_impl::erase(std::_List_iterator)'
../../glib/glibmm/.libs/libglibmm-2.4.so: undefined reference to 
`sigc::internal::signal_impl::insert(std::_List_iterator, sigc::slot_base const&)'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[3]: *** [parser] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory 
`/var/tmp/portage/glibmm-2.4.4/work/glibmm-2.4.4/examples/markup'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory 
`/var/tmp/portage/glibmm-2.4.4/work/glibmm-2.4.4/examples'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/glibmm-2.4.4/work/glibmm-2.4.4'
make: *** [all] Error 2

Does anyone know how can fix it?
[]'s
Mauro
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Re: [gentoo-user] Looking up... Connecting... Waiting... Transferring

[Grant]

> > I noticed that if I'm doing a lot of clicking around there is pretty
> > much no time spent with either of those, but if I work on something
> > and then come back to the browser after a bit, Firefox can really
> > spend some time there.
> 
> Could be anything. Maybe Firefox is caching stuff , maybe it isn't. Maybe
> your machine swaps a lot and it take awhile to swap back in. Sounds like
> you are worry needlessly about a few seconds difference.

"A few seconds" can easily be the difference between a customer
spending enough time on my site to find something they want to buy,
and not.  When I click on a search results link, I'll hit stop and try
another link if the page takes a few seconds too long to load.

It just seems silly to work on speeding up my server's execution time,
and even make sacrifices for greater speed, until I can get a page to
serve in 1 second instead of 4, and then realize I'm sometimes waiting
as long as 10 seconds before my code is even executed.

- Grant
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Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list address - who's robin?

[Holly Bostick]

Trey Gruel wrote:
There should be a LIST ID header you can filter on which might help.
unfortunately, not everyone can filter on headers like that.  gmails
filters are restricted to to, from, subject, and message content (i've
got an enhancement request in to expand it).  lots of gui mail clients
are similarly restricted.
Not necessarily... obviously there's nothing one can do about gmail, but 
 I just did a test on Thunderbird, which does not "natively" give you 
the List-Id header as a choice in the message filters fields.

However, it does allow the user to customize the filters, so I showed 
all headers from one of the list mails, and found the correct name of 
the header (List-Id), and added it as a filter, copying the returned ID 
from the email into the "is" field. I then removed all of the previous 
filters I had been using (To:, etc), leaving the List-Id as the only filter.

Works perfectly for this list, the wine-users list and the wine-devel list.
And if Thunderbird can do it, Mozilla probably can too. KMail, I don't know.
Anyway, my point is, the restrictions may be illusory, and it may be 
quite possible for many or most gui clients to filter on List-Id. 
Certainly the most popular/default ones.

Holly
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Re: [gentoo-user] even more emerge questions

[George Roberts]

Mike Noble wrote:
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| It did turn out to be something borked, I found the link
| http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Migrate_to_GCC_3.4.  When I followed the
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| When I checked my make.conf I found:
| CFLAGS="-O2 -march=athlon-xp -fomit-frame-pointer "
| CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu "
| CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}".
|
| Humm, maybe a Athlon-xp is not a i686 so I commented out that line.
| #CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu "
|
I have an Athlon-XP processor and here are my /etc/make.conf settings:
CFLAGS="-O2 -march=athlon-xp -fomit-frame-pointer"
CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
MAKEOPTS="-j2"
Now I did notice that after each of your lines you have a space before
the last ".  You also have a . at the end of the CXXFLAGS line.  The
. is probably not (at least I hope not) in your make.conf file.  The
spaces probably do no harm but I would remove them just in case.
And Yes an Athlon is a 686 family.
Mike
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Good eye Mike.
I have no clue where I picked up the extra spaces, when I look back at 
the make.conf.example, there is no space there.  Actually the period is 
the result of a nasty habit, ending sentances, lol.
Thanks alot.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Problem starting ypbind

[Radu Filip]

Yes, the NIS server is always running and the other users are using it
from their workstations (RH, Fedora) to authenticate and have their homes
mounted via NFS.

Btw, on my Gentoo I am using a 2.4.28-gentoo-r7 kernel

# epm -q ypbind yp-tools
ypbind-1.17.2-r1
yp-tools-2.8

# head /etc/init.d/ypbind
#!/sbin/runscript
# Copyright 1999-2004 Gentoo Foundation
# Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2
# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/net-nds/ypbind/files/ypbind.initd,v 1.2
2004/10/26 06:25:53 eradicator Exp $

depend() {
need net portmap domainname
use ypserv
}


# cat /etc/conf.d/ypbind
# Config file for /etc/init.d/ypbind

# Set any command line options you want to pass to ypbind.
YPBIND_OPTS=""


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