Re: [gentoo-user] Question
On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, Rick Sivernell wrote: 1. is it best to compile with make or genkernel script? Ive used genkernel on one machine and got the (in)famous / fs mounted twice bug. Apparently it goes away if you make the kernel by hand so Im switching to manual for my next install. -- Aj. Sys. Admin / Developer -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about kportage
On Sunday 08 February 2004 17:46, Phil Barnett wrote: When I run python-updater, I get the following message, but on the web site, kportage is listed as not masked. http://packages.gentoo.org/packages/?category=app-portage;name=kporta ge kportage is hard-masked. Check /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask # [EMAIL PROTECTED] (07 Jan 2004) # unmaintained and currently doesn't even build anymore. Masking until # plasmaroo makes a new version. app-portage/kportage Hope that helps. Cheers, Renat -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about kportage
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 08 February 2004 12:07 pm, Renat Golubchyk wrote: On Sunday 08 February 2004 17:46, Phil Barnett wrote: When I run python-updater, I get the following message, but on the web site, kportage is listed as not masked. http://packages.gentoo.org/packages/?category=app-portage;name=kporta ge kportage is hard-masked. Check /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask # [EMAIL PROTECTED] (07 Jan 2004) # unmaintained and currently doesn't even build anymore. Masking until # plasmaroo makes a new version. app-portage/kportage Hope that helps. Ok, I just unmerged it. Never used it anyway. Thanks. Someone should update the website. - -- The choices we make dictate the life we lead. To thine ownself be true. -- William Shakespeare KI4DPT -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAJm5MWMqSOYd58pwRAv/AAJ9ecg0pfK1sRBB4SH2GRdZQE48K3gCfRbt7 Db9M2fL4n1rTJWufOI2wdEY= =Tkfd -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] question about compiler warnings
No, generally not. -- Jeremy Maitin-Shepard -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Question
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:15:07 -0600 Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: |What is the max number of partitions allowed in a gentoo system? | I jave the gen-kernel source 2.4.20r9 on a PIII 5333 coppermine CPU. Depends. For a dos partition table, I think it's 15 or 16 per disc. For sparc disclabels, it's 7 (plus the special one) per disc. For other disclabels, it's something else. If you cheat and use LVM it's something silly like 255 per volumegroup, so you could get several thousand per disc. Of course, you'll run out of device numbers after a while anyway, unless you switch to udev. -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail:ciaranm at gentoo.org Web: http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Question
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 23:43:39 + Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:15:07 -0600 Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: |What is the max number of partitions allowed in a gentoo system? | I jave the gen-kernel source 2.4.20r9 on a PIII 5333 coppermine CPU. Depends. For a dos partition table, I think it's 15 or 16 per disc. For sparc disclabels, it's 7 (plus the special one) per disc. For other disclabels, it's something else. If you cheat and use LVM it's something silly like 255 per volumegroup, so you could get several thousand per disc. Of course, you'll run out of device numbers after a while anyway, unless you switch to udev. -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail:ciaranm at gentoo.org Web: http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm Ciaran I am using reiserfs on I86 system. -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Linux Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Question About Iptables Script and Sound
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On Tuesday 04 November 2003 00:58, Kathy Wills wrote:
I have searched the forums and connot find an answer to either of my
questions. I will be changing from Slackware 9.1 to Gentoo 1.4 starting
later tonight. My computer acts as the firewall/gateway for my small
home network.
With slackware I use a script file /etc/rc.d/rc.iptables to povide this
funcionality. It is based on a conf file in /etc. My first question is
do I place these two files in the same location in Gentoo as in
Slackware in order to provide the same functions?
If your rc script contains raw iptables commands, then run them and do an
'/etc/init.d/iptables save'. This will use iptables-save to save your rules
to IPTABLES_SAVE in /etc/conf.d/iptables.
Running '/etc/init.d/iptables start' will then use those saved rules
('/etc/init.d/iptables stop' WILL NOT SAVE YOUR RULES).
/etc/conf.d/iptables also has a variable to enable IPv4 forwarding.
If it's an iptables-save formatted file
(
*nat
:PREROUTING
)
The just stick in place of IPTABLES_SAVE and start iptables.
Next, I have a Soundblaster Live sound card. I plan to use alsa for
sound. Do I need to emerge emu10k1 along with the alsa?
Nope.
You can optionally set ALSA_CARDS=emu10k1 in /etc/make.conf so alsa-driver
will only compile the emu10k1 driver, can save quite a bit of time.
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Re: [gentoo-user] question re creating meta-ebuild for application distribution
On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 11:20, Sigurd Stordal wrote: directory so that portage fully knows about it? Can I do so in such a way that an emerge rsync won't lose that information? And if not, I PORTDIR_OVERLAY. You set it in the make.conf file, and make every new app dir there, will not be updated by emerge sync. I am using PORTDIR_OVERLAY. But simply creating a new package directory within it doesn't solve the problem. To see this, try creating a new subdirectory $PORTDIR_OVERLAY/app-whatever, create an application directory within it, and a valid ebuild within it. Do an ebuild digest, then emerge app-whatever/whatever/whatever-1.0.ebuild. It should install fine. Then do an emerge -s whatever. It won't find your ebuild. So package directories must be registered somehow with portage, but I don't know the mechanism. js -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] question to linux-headers
Spider wrote: The update to -r1 is a very small one, that just adds a virtual to tell your system that it has the OS headers, something which was not necessary when we first packaged linux-headers, but that had to be added now that we have more versions here. Well... I'll update then. Shouldn't I have installed sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.4.21, which is also available in portage-tree? Nope. Still a little strange to me... confusion with the version numbers. But ok, I'll just update the 2.4.19. Thx 4 help. Regards, Frank. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] question to linux-headers
begin quote On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:08:55 +0200 Frank Reich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. I wonder what's going on with those version numbers. I currently use a gentoo-stable kernel (sys-kernel/gs-sources-2.4.21_rc8). But for some time now when trying to update a package it tells me to update sys-kernel/linux-headers as well - from 2.4.19 to 2.4.19-r1. Why 2.4._19_, although I use 2.4.21? How's that meant? old thing. in usr/include/linux there should be a sanitized set of linux headers that don't really do much but support glibc in its internal process of dealing with the kernel. This version shouldn't change, as all moving interfaces should be found through /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include/linux (i think) The update to -r1 is a very small one, that just adds a virtual to tell your system that it has the OS headers, something which was not necessary when we first packaged linux-headers, but that had to be added now that we have more versions here. Shouldn't I have installed sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.4.21, which is also available in portage-tree? Nope. //Spider -- begin .signature This is a .signature virus! Please copy me into your .signature! See Microsoft KB Article Q265230 for more information. end pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: [gentoo-user] Question about this mailing list
Thats the group itself, I don't think thats the software. I have never seen the list software cut any of my replyies like that. I do it normally.. I've been noticing something in quoted messages and thought this is a very well-behaved group, but now I suspect it's the mailing list software :-) Sorry guys and girls. Anyway, I'm referring to parts of the quoted messages being snipped out. I've never seen that done before and kinda like it. Often, people do quote way too much. I'm wondering if this possibly snips too much out too. I mean, I may not read the original but then a reply catches my attention. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Question about this mailing list
-Original Message- From: Hall Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 1:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [gentoo-user] Question about this mailing list I've been noticing something... SNIP ...I'm referring to parts of the quoted messages being snipped out. SNIP Done by hand here Cheers, Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about ATA RAID controllers...
If you do a RAID 0 setup you will get a performance boost. It's a good idea.
Walther The Writer wrote:
I beleive I have hardware ATA RAID controller, becuase when I'm booting up with gentoo
doataraid kernel option
the setup says it is detected and when I do modprobe ataraid, no errors appear. When I
do modprobe pdcriad or hptraid.
modules can't be loaded with a bunch of errors, so I assume that I have ataraid. Now,
if I do Kernel configuration,
what options have to be selected? How can I collect more information about my ata raid
controller from Windows machine?
( I do not have Linux installed yet, struggling) 1)Do I need to select HPT336/337C
chipset support? 2)Do I need to sellect
IDE Raid support? ( I think I do ).3) Highpoint? No, right, since mu modprobe failes.
Or do I have to select them all?
Do I have to create /mnt/gentoo/dev directory before mount it?
Do installing the system on ATA RAid have some advantages? ( I have install Slackware
even without knowing that
Raid exists).
Thanks,
Walther.
Code listing .1: Loading RAID modules
# modprobe ataraid
For Promise Raid Controllers:
# modprobe pdcraid
For Highpoint Raid Controllers:
# modprobe hptraid
Some ATA RAID Controllers require you to reboot after partitioning; formatting will
otherwise fail.
Before chrooting, mount the devicetree into the new environment:
Code listing .2: Mounting /dev into /mnt/gentoo/dev
# mount -o bind /dev /mnt/gentoo/dev
During kernel configuration, select the required RAID options:
Code listing .3: RAID in the Linux Kernel Configuration
For Highpoint RAID controllers:
ATA/IDE/MFM/RLL support ---
[*] HPT36X/37X chipset support
[*] Support for IDE Raid controllers
[*] Highpoint 370 software RAID
For Promise RAID controllers:
ATA/IDE/MFM/RLL support ---
[*] PROMISE PDC202{46|62|65|67} support
and/or
[*] PROMISE PDC202{68|69|70|71|75|76|77} support
[*] Support for IDE Raid controllers
[*] Support Promise software RAID (Fasttrak(tm))
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Re: [gentoo-user] Question about distcc
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 29 September 2003 17:54, Ian Truelsen wrote: Here is the setup that I have: Desktop: Athlon 1700 XP Server: 400 MHz Celeron Firewall: Pentium 200MMX The main reason that I set up distcc is to try to speed the compilation on the Firewall box. I also have the Server use the Desktop to help its compile speed. What I was wondering was: would there be any gain, or loss, by having the Desktop send requests through to either of the other machines? Would it cause a bottleneck on the faster machine? If you list localhost first, it shouldn't slow it down. I found this out last week with 2 laptops (mine gentoo: celery 650, work winxp: p4m 1.8). The work laptop was sending all the work off to my laptop, as it was listed first. - -- Mike Williams -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/eGVPInuLMrk7bIwRAqHwAJ9FudOV6gzYRrhBg/elaGWv59JWdQCgoy01 4IEGdCwsKGkka+kPeP6lvno= =gJoC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about distcc
Am Montag, 29. September 2003 18:54 schrieb Ian Truelsen: The main reason that I set up distcc is to try to speed the compilation on the Firewall box. Hmm, a compiler on a firewall. Isn't this considered a security problem? Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)151 1513 6954 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Cap Gemini Ernst Young| Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hambornerstraße 55 | Web: http://www.cgey.com D-40472 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [gentoo-user] question about ifconfig output
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 07:49:51PM -0500, David H. Askew wrote: How many TX errors is indicative of a problem ? partial ifconfig output : eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:10:DC:C8:F9:AD inet addr:192.168.1.1 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:12511 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:13053 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:25979 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 RX bytes:1113383 (1.0 Mb) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) Interrupt:11 Base address:0xe000 I'd say 0% transmission success after 13053 attempts is indicative of a problem. Nathan Meyers [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Question
On August 1, 2003 04:42 pm, Rick Sivernell wrote: Appreciate your quick reply, setting up now, just thought there might be a commanbd to perform this. Got another question. Setting up an emerged xfree with xf86cfg, it makes my new XF86Config-4 in /etc/X11 just fine. But when I startxfce I get the following error: no screens found. Any suggestion as where to look or what the problem is no screens found reffers to the fact that there's no Screen section in your x config. you should have something like this: Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Card0 Monitor Monitor0 DefaultDepth24 SubSection Display Depth 24 Modes 1024x768 Viewport0 0 EndSubSection EndSection as well as a Device and Monitor section that handle your videocard and monitor respecitively. if you don't have the time/patience/understanding to create your own custom xconfig, i'd suggest the following: # /usr/X11R6/bin/xf86config good luck ;-) -- lift up yourselves, men, take yourselves out of the mire and hitch your hopes to the stars; yes, rise as high as the very stars themselves. let no man pull you down, let no man destroy your ambition, because man is your brother; he is not your lord. - marcus garvey -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Question
create the user that you want, add the user to whichever group you want (create a new group if desired) then in /home create a directory with the name of the user. change the owner of the new directory to your user, change the group to whatever group the new user is part of, and then set the permissions so that the new user can access the directory On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 15:20:08 -0500 Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: List I have just created a new laptop install on a laptop, up running, but when I created a new user, the /home/new dir was not created. What is the proper way to fix this. I can log into by user/passwd. cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Linux Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 01 August 2003 15:20, Rick Sivernell wrote: List I have just created a new laptop install on a laptop, up running, but when I created a new user, the /home/new dir was not created. What is the proper way to fix this. I can log into by user/passwd. cheers You need the -m flag to useradd to automatically create homedir etc. Also, superadduser is a nice way to do this. emerge superadduser. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/Ks7/XVaO67S1rtsRAtwqAKCtyHR8V2N1bTyrzC0NeHB4EgnGkwCfTBm1 10wvOrC468QCsOc0CU8hblc= =lDO9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Question
Check man useradd - it's the -m switch which creates the directory. On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:20:08 -0500 Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: List I have just created a new laptop install on a laptop, up running, but when I created a new user, the /home/new dir was not created. What is the proper way to fix this. I can log into by user/passwd. cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Linux Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Or emerge superadduser to not have to worry about all that and get an interactive user creation. Puggy On Friday 01 August 2003 9:44 pm, brett holcomb wrote: Check man useradd - it's the -m switch which creates the directory. On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:20:08 -0500 Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: List I have just created a new laptop install on a laptop, up running, but when I created a new user, the /home/new dir was not created. What is the proper way to fix this. I can log into by user/passwd. cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Linux Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/KtFWXYnvgFdTojMRAs7FAJwOgfHTAENdY1SrBx0NWcWEYb026ACg0rk+ p1OBYCNDkBCXH2TIZ3Gqtck= =k2T3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Question
donnie Computer Club Appreciate your quick reply, setting up now, just thought there might be a commanbd to perform this. Got another question. Setting up an emerged xfree with xf86cfg, it makes my new XF86Config-4 in /etc/X11 just fine. But when I startxfce I get the following error: no screens found. Any suggestion as where to look or what the problem is Cheers and many thanks -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Linux Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Question
On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 16:44:46 -0400 brett holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check man useradd - it's the -m switch which creates the directory. On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:20:08 -0500 Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: List I have just created a new laptop install on a laptop, up running, but when I created a new user, the /home/new dir was not created. What is the proper way to fix this. I can log into by user/passwd. cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Linux Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list Hey Brett I did use the man but did not see the -m, but then from time to time I do have those senior moments g. I will make not of this. cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Linux Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] question
Rick, What Nathan and others have conculuded from the information you provided that is that the program you running is trying to create a hard-linked file across mount points, you can not do this, you can only create soft-links across mount points. I am guessing that when you built your Gentoo system, you most likely made the descision create mount points like /, /usr, /home, etc, where your Caldera system made the decsions for you and put everthing on /. If you do a 'df' on your Gentoo system and if the source directory and the destination directory fall on different lines then you can not create use hard-links 'ln', you need to use sof-links 'ln -s' HTH, Steve On Fri, 2003-07-11 at 17:02, Rick Sivernell wrote: Nathan I guess software can not move, copy data or programs, you must be bash or something. This is totally bull. I have te same on my caldera system and all works fine. I have moved the location back onto the partition now and that problem is gone. I am almost ready to dump gentoo, just too many problem here. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] question
Stephan, Nathan, Jan Excuse me a little, I tend to get upset after screwing with stuff that should work the 1st time. Now I have fixed the problem. Let me explain properly what what the problem is, I am cooled off nowg. In developing a program on Caldera system, I have moved the code to gentoo. I now created a directory tree under /usr/local name silverware with bin,docs,logs,lib/debug,lib/release etc. When scons built a new or rebuilt an shared lib, it is instructed to copy the lib to the new directory, debug libs to lib/debug, release to release. These wre not symlinks , just stright copies. In actually it was all proper, but this exerc forced me to perform what I wanted in a more relative postion as I should have done before. As things turned out I have had to perform some things learn gentoo a little better, I think I haveg. One thing I do know the worst linux distro is 1k time better than M$sludge. At this point all is well here in mudsville till the next crisisg. I still have a cupsd problem to work on and sound does not seem to work, even though the system says sound is loaded. Hmmm, that must wait a while. this program is for a directed study project that is comming due in 3 months. Gentlemen, MUCH Gracious for the help and a switf kick inthe xg. cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Linux Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] question
Nathan I guess software can not move, copy data or programs, you must be bash or something. This is totally bull. I have te same on my caldera system and all works fine. I have moved the location back onto the partition now and that problem is gone. I am almost ready to dump gentoo, just too many problem here. -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Linux Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] question
On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 04:02:16PM -0500, Rick Sivernell wrote: Nathan I guess software can not move, copy data or programs, you must be bash or something. This is totally bull. I have te same on my caldera system and all works fine. I have moved the location back onto the partition now and that problem is gone. I am almost ready to dump gentoo, just too many problem here. You're right, Rick, it is bull. Any script or program can move and copy files. You're getting a lot of aerobic exercise jumping to conclusions because nobody can identify the problem from the description you've given and the one person who's trying (me) doesn't seem to be able to describe his observations in language you can understand. Sorry it's not obvious... but it isn't. There's a significant chance that the application you're using simply isn't very robust, and your Gentoo system provides a configuration it can't deal with. Since you don't want to take the time to understand it, dumping Gentoo is probably the right answer for you. Nathan Meyers [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Linux Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 11 July 2003 23:02, Rick Sivernell wrote: Nathan I guess software can not move, copy data or programs, you must be bash or something. This is totally bull. Mwell you are the one who programmed it, and without any further clues from your side Nathan is probably right on with his EXDEV explanation. ttfn, jen. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/Dyvd4zpzaDSRuAsRAtdDAJ9jBNNUfSKhdI8fU+YUpyMFildykACfWsmz o2DjMnE0bfakn/jqJhhYyro= =KuEJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about Evolution 1.4
How did you go about importing your old (1.2.4) contacts and calendar? For me, I had mixed results - on one system my accounts were preserved but no contacts/calendar, and on the other system it was as if I had started clean. Other than that, Evolution 1.4.0 has worked fantastically. On Sun, 2003-06-29 at 11:04, Steven R. Ringwald wrote: I apologise in advance if this question has already been asked. Any idea when the Evolution 1.4 ebuild is going to blessed as being as stable as the 1.2.4 ebuild? I have been using it for a day or two, and it seems to be as stable as the 1.2 series so far. I know that my results may be different than other people's; just wondering what others thought. Thanks! Steve Ringwald signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about Evolution 1.4
On Sun, 2003-06-29 at 09:08, Alec Berryman wrote: How did you go about importing your old (1.2.4) contacts and calendar? For me, I had mixed results - on one system my accounts were preserved but no contacts/calendar, and on the other system it was as if I had started clean. Other than that, Evolution 1.4.0 has worked fantastically. On Sun, 2003-06-29 at 11:04, Steven R. Ringwald wrote: I apologise in advance if this question has already been asked. Any idea when the Evolution 1.4 ebuild is going to blessed as being as stable as the 1.2.4 ebuild? I have been using it for a day or two, and it seems to be as stable as the 1.2 series so far. I know that my results may be different than other people's; just wondering what others thought. I exported them from 1.2.4 before making the switch and then started Evolution up. It seemed to recognize everything automagically, as I still have my contacts folder and calendar stuff intact. Steve -- Steven R. Ringwald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asric Consulting Services
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about Evolution 1.4
Since you are using 1.4, maybe you can answer a question I have about it. How does it handle signitures? Does it still add your signiture to the bottom of the entire e-mail, even if replying top-style? Thanks! Hopefully it'll go stable soon -Jon GenKiller Gaudette http://www.digital-drip.com On Sun, 2003-06-29 at 12:04, Steven R. Ringwald wrote: I apologise in advance if this question has already been asked. Any idea when the Evolution 1.4 ebuild is going to blessed as being as stable as the 1.2.4 ebuild? I have been using it for a day or two, and it seems to be as stable as the 1.2 series so far. I know that my results may be different than other people's; just wondering what others thought. Thanks! Steve Ringwald signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about Evolution 1.4
On Sun, 2003-06-29 at 09:37, Jon Gaudette wrote: Since you are using 1.4, maybe you can answer a question I have about it. How does it handle signatures? Does it still add your signature to the bottom of the entire e-mail, even if replying top-style? As far as I have been able to tell, yes, unfortunately. I submitted a bug-report a long while back stating that while they may prefer bottom-centric emails, there are corporations out there looking to get away from Exchange/Outlook that require top-posting. I should know; I watched a 1000 client-license opportunity for Ximian Connector die just for that reason. Netiquette is one thing; corporate policy is sometimes quite another. Thanks! Hopefully it'll go stable soon Yeah. I am hoping the same thing. As I mentioned, seems as stable (if not more so) than the currently available and seems to be at least 2x faster. Steve -- Steven R. Ringwald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asric Consulting Services
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about Evolution 1.4
On Sun, 2003-06-29 at 09:41, Chris Bannister wrote: Sunday, June 29, 2003, 5:37:43 PM, Jon Gaudette wrote: Does it still add your signiture to the bottom of the entire e-mail, even if replying top-style? Given that replying above a message is hard to read, I'm not sure I'd want an MUA that encouraged it. Encourage is one thing; force to the point of being inconvenient is quite another. Some corporate managers like top posting, because they can get a feel for the message thread without having to read from the bottom up. But then, as we all know, all corporate managers are like Dilbert's manager. :-) Steve -- Steven R. Ringwald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asric Consulting Services
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about Evolution 1.4
On Sun, 2003-06-29 at 12:47, Steven R. Ringwald wrote: On Sun, 2003-06-29 at 09:37, Jon Gaudette wrote: Since you are using 1.4, maybe you can answer a question I have about it. How does it handle signatures? Does it still add your signature to the bottom of the entire e-mail, even if replying top-style? As far as I have been able to tell, yes, unfortunately. I submitted a bug-report a long while back stating that while they may prefer bottom-centric emails, there are corporations out there looking to get away from Exchange/Outlook that require top-posting. I should know; I watched a 1000 client-license opportunity for Ximian Connector die just for that reason. Netiquette is one thing; corporate policy is sometimes quite another. Steve See, that's really too bad. You would think they would want to change something like that, especially in your Connector license situation! Thank you for the information! -Jon GenKiller Gaudette http://www.digital-drip.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about Evolution 1.4
On Sun, 2003-06-29 at 11:33, Steven R. Ringwald wrote: On Sun, 2003-06-29 at 09:08, Alec Berryman wrote: How did you go about importing your old (1.2.4) contacts and calendar? For me, I had mixed results - on one system my accounts were preserved but no contacts/calendar, and on the other system it was as if I had started clean. Other than that, Evolution 1.4.0 has worked fantastically. On Sun, 2003-06-29 at 11:04, Steven R. Ringwald wrote: I apologise in advance if this question has already been asked. Any idea when the Evolution 1.4 ebuild is going to blessed as being as stable as the 1.2.4 ebuild? I have been using it for a day or two, and it seems to be as stable as the 1.2 series so far. I know that my results may be different than other people's; just wondering what others thought. I exported them from 1.2.4 before making the switch and then started Evolution up. It seemed to recognize everything automagically, as I still have my contacts folder and calendar stuff intact. Steve Could you elaborate on the export procedure, please? I seem unable to locate an export feature. -- Owen Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about Evolution 1.4
On Sun, 2003-06-29 at 14:07, oford wrote: How did you go about importing your old (1.2.4) contacts and calendar? For me, I had mixed results - on one system my accounts were preserved but no contacts/calendar, and on the other system it was as if I had started clean. Other than that, Evolution 1.4.0 has worked fantastically. On Sun, 2003-06-29 at 11:04, Steven R. Ringwald wrote: I apologise in advance if this question has already been asked. Any idea when the Evolution 1.4 ebuild is going to blessed as being as stable as the 1.2.4 ebuild? I have been using it for a day or two, and it seems to be as stable as the 1.2 series so far. I know that my results may be different than other people's; just wondering what others thought. I exported them from 1.2.4 before making the switch and then started Evolution up. It seemed to recognize everything automagically, as I still have my contacts folder and calendar stuff intact. Steve Could you elaborate on the export procedure, please? I seem unable to locate an export feature. In the contacts folder, select all the contacts and click Save as VCard. Steve -- Steven R. Ringwald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asric Consulting Services
Re: [gentoo-user] question here
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 05 June 2003 11:08 pm, Rick Sivernell wrote: I am writing a program and I have several shared libs. The code was written on my machine using Caldera eWorkstation 3.1.1. Now on gentoo and code can not find the libs now. I have put path in /etc/ld.so.conf and no joy. I went looking for LD_LIBIRARY_PATH, is there such variable in gentoo or is there some other place or way for my program to use my libs. Many thanks Silly question, but did you run ldconfig after installing the shared libs ? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUBPuAUwQqNYTLzAsoIAQIdeAP/duW6D54WPbsktfS4iue8vQr8J3d+bv9r ICWLC288t2QK4Zu/QipIFW8wwsyxjLC8vulNdSaG8fLtgHT/FPqY7ESKQ7TOX8UJ LZoWeOAw6nHwfPmmAobsxm/QegtBL57mcAk08Udf+tkIOggmyZa7Y7LA3Q6adinD p0gCQ9dZ3OU= =CkvL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] question
You need to add this new user to the wheel group. -Andy- -Original Message- From: Rick Sivernell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 8:28 AM To: Gentoo Users Subject: [gentoo-user] question Question here, I may have not given a completed enough command. I created a new user on a new system. But the only problem is that the new user can not su with passwd to root user. What do I need to perform? any help appreciated. cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] question
To su a user must be a member of the wheel group. You can use groupadd but read the man page. You must give not only the new group but any others he is part of. On Wed, 28 May 2003 08:27:53 -0500 Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question here, I may have not given a completed enough command. I created a new user on a new system. But the only problem is that the new user can not su with passwd to root user. What do I need to perform? any help appreciated. cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] question
Hello! On 08:27 Wed 28 May, Rick Sivernell wrote: Question here, I may have not given a completed enough command. I created a new user on a new system. But the only problem is that the new user can not su with passwd to root user. What do I need to perform? any help appreciated. cheers This question should be in FAQ (isn't it?). Just add your user to the wheel group. Best regards, Andrew. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] question
Hi, You have to put the new user in the group wheel, so then he can su to root. RNuno -Original Message- From: Rick Sivernell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: quarta-feira, 28 de Maio de 2003 14:28 To: Gentoo Users Subject: [gentoo-user] question Question here, I may have not given a completed enough command. I created a new user on a new system. But the only problem is that the new user can not su with passwd to root user. What do I need to perform? any help appreciated. cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] question
You're welcome! On Wed, 28 May 2003 09:43:23 -0500 Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brett Andrew Yusuf Richardo many thanks, I will read the man page, as I have never performed the wheel add. I raise a fresh cold brew in your honor, many thanks. cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] question
Did you compile devfs into the kernel? Gentoo requires that you do this or things won't work right(technical explination). On Thu, 2003-05-29 at 01:53, Rick Sivernell wrote: Got system up and running now, but 2 small quirks to fix. 1. On boot, I get the devfs must be set for gentoo check with site, thus /boot is not in /etc/fstab but /mnt/init.d/.., althoght there is a /boot/bzImage only in /boot. Did I miss something/ 2. can not mount cdrom fstab says there needs to be a /dev/cdroms/cdrom0, there is none and no /dev/cdroms. I assume there is a command to build this in /dev. cheers signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] question
On 28 May 2003 23:09:25 + Ben Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you compile devfs into the kernel? Gentoo requires that you do this or things won't work right(technical explination). On Thu, 2003-05-29 at 01:53, Rick Sivernell wrote: Got system up and running now, but 2 small quirks to fix. 1. On boot, I get the devfs must be set for gentoo check with site, thus /boot is not in /etc/fstab but /mnt/init.d/.., althoght there is a /boot/bzImage only in /boot. Did I miss something/ 2. can not mount cdrom fstab says there needs to be a /dev/cdroms/cdrom0, there is none and no /dev/cdroms. I assume there is a command to build this in /dev. cheers In menuconfig - filesystem I selected everything but reiser debug. and at [*] and used a menu config from another machine just like it to boot. cheers Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Question on Portage
On Sat, Apr 05, 2003 at 09:18:06PM -0800 or thereabouts, Susie wrote: Why is there 2 of pretty much every ebuild? I ask as I noticed awhile back there seems to be ebuilds in both /var/db/pkg/ and /usr/portage/ Isn't that redundant? Don't we need just one copy of an ebuild per package? I'm just curious why... /var/db/pkg contains copies of installed ebuilds which may or may not also exist in /usr/portage (see below) Anyways other than that why even with my frequent rsyncs do I have some fairly old ebuilds in there? I can see the testing/new being masked being in the tree and the current stables being in the tree but why are some fairly old versions in the tree? Because you don't always want to upgrade your machine all that often. Take a firewall for example -- it filters packets. Nothing more. Short of security fixes, if it's working just fine, why upgrade it? So, by having older versions of ebuilds available in the tree, we are able to provide choice to more of our users. --kurt -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Question:
begin quote On 03 Apr 2003 23:54:30 +0930 Chris van der Pennen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is re-bootstrapping from within a live gentoo installation a good idea, or will that Break Things? backup make.conf first I'd suggest you read bootstrap.sh first and see, you really dont have to do a complete re-bootstrap since you already have a bootstrapped system. //Spider -- begin .signature This is a .signature virus! Please copy me into your .signature! See Microsoft KB Article Q265230 for more information. end pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Question:
Assuming you set up the mount points and chroot as per the instructions it won't hurt. I've done it. On 03 Apr 2003 23:54:30 +0930 Chris van der Pennen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is re-bootstrapping from within a live gentoo installation a good idea, or will that Break Things? Chris -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Question:
That's not quite what I meant. I was talking about bootstrapping again in an already installed Gentoo setup - not creating a new one from within chroot. Chris On Fri, 2003-04-04 at 03:02, brett holcomb wrote: Assuming you set up the mount points and chroot as per the instructions it won't hurt. I've done it. On 03 Apr 2003 23:54:30 +0930 Chris van der Pennen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is re-bootstrapping from within a live gentoo installation a good idea, or will that Break Things? Chris -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Question:
Okay - let me ask why you would want to do that - there doesn't seem any point in it as bootstrap is simply used to get you a base where you can then emerge system and world. If you have a working system then emerge -u --deep system and emerge -u --deep system should keep you updated. That's not quite what I meant. I was talking about bootstrapping again in an already installed Gentoo setup - not creating a new one from within chroot. Chris On Fri, 2003-04-04 at 03:02, brett holcomb wrote: Assuming you set up the mount points and chroot as per the instructions it won't hurt. I've done it. On 03 Apr 2003 23:54:30 +0930 Chris van der Pennen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is re-bootstrapping from within a live gentoo installation a good idea, or will that Break Things? Chris -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- Brett I. Holcomb AKA Grunt -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Question on using selectwm
If I'm using selectwm to choose my window manager in .xinitrc is there some way that I can get it to load various progs when it starts a specific one? ie load bbpager for only openbox but all the other dock apps for the other 2 window managers? I would suggest writing a script for each wm that needs other apps started with it. For example, with openbox it might look something like this: #!/bin/sh bbpager exec `which openbox` Then just tell selectwm to start the script, instead of the window manager. -- Josh - Joshua J. Berry I haven't lost my mind -- it's backed up on tape somewhere. -- /usr/games/fortune PGP Key: http://deneb.condordes.net/node/16/view NOTE: Please do not submit this email address to any mailing lists or websites without prior permission. Thank you. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about emerge
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 this is correct, but sync is one letter shorter, so i recomend that =) seth On Monday 24 March 2003 02:38, Susie wrote: My understanding of it from running into where I had to use sync vs rsync(new portage that unmaked when it shouldn't of at the time). Is they are the same. Sync is the new command and rsync the old. Here is what the man page says: the rsync without complaint. So I think you can use either or. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+fr+J7TKExlfwaNURAt0SAKCEBkpG9U0jxUZLrne22dm5lBjDqACeJ29h 71M0hM6ld5TRSxQ69oqC5kM= =bsH3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Question about emerge
Actually emerge sync wipesout the entire portage tree and rewrites the whole thing, hence the reason it takes so much longer, whereas emerge rsync compares your portage tree with the current one and only updates it. -Original Message- From: Seth Chandler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 3:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Question about emerge -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 this is correct, but sync is one letter shorter, so i recomend that =) seth On Monday 24 March 2003 02:38, Susie wrote: My understanding of it from running into where I had to use sync vs rsync(new portage that unmaked when it shouldn't of at the time). Is they are the same. Sync is the new command and rsync the old. Here is what the man page says: the rsync without complaint. So I think you can use either or. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+fr+J7TKExlfwaNURAt0SAKCEBkpG9U0jxUZLrne22dm5lBjDqACeJ29h 71M0hM6ld5TRSxQ69oqC5kM= =bsH3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about emerge
My understanding of it from running into where I had to use sync vs rsync(new portage that unmaked when it shouldn't of at the time). Is they are the same. Sync is the new command and rsync the old. Here is what the man page says: rsync See sync below. sync Initiates a portage tree update with one of the rsync.gentoo.org mirrors. Note that any changes you have made to the portage tree will be erased. Except for in special circumstances, this uses rsync to do the update. See make.conf's description of PORTDIR_OVERLAY for a method to avoid deletions. When I'd got the newish portage one time it complained I'd used rsync and told me it was an outdated command and I should use sync instead. Then later that portage was masked. When it was re released it allowed the rsync without complaint. So I think you can use either or. On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 07:55:02 +0100 Renat Golubchyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Is there a difference between 'emerge sync' and 'emerge rsync' ? Regards, Renat -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- Susie VE7 HFA [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://arienadean.tripod.com/ --- Failure is not falling down, it is not gettnig up again. - Mary Pickford -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Question after merging portage 2.0.47
portage:x:250:250:portage:/vat/tmp/portage:/bin/false should do the job Bram De Smet -Original Message- From: Iago Sineiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: vrijdag 7 maart 2003 11:07 To: Gentoo Usuarios Subject: [gentoo-user] Question after merging portage 2.0.47 Hi. I've updated from portage-2.0.46-r9 to portage-2.0.47-r8. At the first time to use it, it asks me to : portage: 'portage' user or group missing. Please update baselayout and merge portage user(250) and group(250) into your passwd and group files. Non-root compilation is disabled until then. Also note that non-root/wheel users will need to be added to the portage group to do portage commands. For the defaults, line 1 goes into passwd, and 2 into group. portage:x:250:250:portage:/var/tmp/portage:/bin/false portage::250:portage I have settled down the variable PORTAGE_TMPDIR to /tmp instead of /var/tmp. So I suppose that I have to set user portage's home path to /tmp/portage. Is this correct? Iago Sineiro. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Question after merging portage 2.0.47
-Mensaje original- De: DE SMET Bram (BDSR) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: viernes, 07 de marzo de 2003 11:24 Para: Gentoo Usuarios Asunto: RE: [gentoo-user] Question after merging portage 2.0.47 portage:x:250:250:portage:/vat/tmp/portage:/bin/false should do the job Bram De Smet I used portage:x:250:250:portage:/tmp/portage:/bin/false. Is there any problem? Iago Sineiro -Original Message- From: Iago Sineiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: vrijdag 7 maart 2003 11:07 To: Gentoo Usuarios Subject: [gentoo-user] Question after merging portage 2.0.47 Hi. I've updated from portage-2.0.46-r9 to portage-2.0.47-r8. At the first time to use it, it asks me to : portage: 'portage' user or group missing. Please update baselayout and merge portage user(250) and group(250) into your passwd and group files. Non-root compilation is disabled until then. Also note that non-root/wheel users will need to be added to the portage group to do portage commands. For the defaults, line 1 goes into passwd, and 2 into group. portage:x:250:250:portage:/var/tmp/portage:/bin/false portage::250:portage I have settled down the variable PORTAGE_TMPDIR to /tmp instead of /var/tmp. So I suppose that I have to set user portage's home path to /tmp/portage. Is this correct? Iago Sineiro. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list ---Publicidad Únete a los miles de sin pareja en Meetic... ¡te vas a enamorar! http://www.iespana.es/_reloc/email.meetic -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Question re: games
Timothy James Friesen wrote: Hello All, I recently upgraded LBreakout2 to version 2.2.4 or something, and now I can't run it. It's installed in /usr/games/bin, and I don't have acces to that directory as a normal user for some reason. Any ideas as to what to do to fix this would be much appreciated. I noticed something about a games group scroll by drin he install, but have no idea what to do regarding that. As root, edit the file /etc/group and find the line that starts 'games'. If there is just a : at the end of the line, add your username, otherwise put a comma then your username. That will add you to the games group, which sounds like it's what's disallowing you access to much needed gaming :) MAL -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Question re: games
MAL said: That will add you to the games group, which sounds like it's what's disallowing you access to much needed gaming :) I may completely wrong here but I thought I saw a post emerge message recently about there no longer being a need for a 'games' group. Or is that the case only for certain specific games? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
