[Goanet] Bounces - Just FYI
Netters - the GoaNet equivalent of the Dead Letter File is my mailbox. Most of you already know this, I'm sure. I usually receive about 50 bounces each day - some are just advisories letting me know that a post was not delivered into a subscriber's mailbox because it is full, others advise me that a post has been rejected for different reasons, such as Non-Member Submission, or Exceeds Maximum Length, etc., and still others tell me that a post has been rejected because it contains a virus. I'm reproduced below the top portion of one such message - these messages usually have 100 lines of gobble-de-gook so I haven't reproduced the whole thing. The point is that when I receive this type of message I do not forward it back to the person who sent it. So, if you've tried to post to GoaNet and haven't seen your message on the D-List NOR have you heard from me, this means that your PC is probably infected. Viviana GN Admin San Francisco CA * Subject: BOUNCE [EMAIL PROTECTED]: taboo header: /^Content-Type:\s*multipart\/alternative\b/i Non-member submission from [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 06:23:35 -0600 (MDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From owner-goanet Tue Jun 18 06:23:34 2002 Received: from relay.nic.in (relay.nic.in [164.100.10.106]) by www2.goacom.com (8.11.6) id g5ICNVw25315 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 06:23:32 -0600 (MDT) X-Envelope-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from relay.nic.in (IDENT:root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.nic.in (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g5ICRrJ25880 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:57:53 +0530 Received: from alpha.nic.in (alpha.nic.in [164.100.24.3]) by relay.nic.in (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g5ICRnv25855 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:57:51 +0530 Received: from Krduizsbp ([164.100.35.202]) by alpha.nic.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA14041 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:58:57 +0530 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:58:57 +0530 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: ptimble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Introduction on ADSL MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=DO0O958jw194Rh58ecDj14jXC1M2eOQxzt65 --DO0O958jw194Rh58ecDj14jXC1M2eOQxzt65 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- Virus Warning Message (on relay) Found virus WORM_KLEZ.H in file who.bat The file is deleted. - --DO0O958jw194Rh58ecDj14jXC1M2eOQxzt65 Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HTMLHEAD/HEADBODY iframe src=3Dcid:M1h8DC03i064X89oo height=3D0 width=3D0 /iframe FONT/FONT/BODY/HTML --DO0O958jw194Rh58ecDj14jXC1M2eOQxzt65 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- Virus Warning Message (on relay) who.bat is removed from here because it contains a virus. - --DO0O958jw194Rh58ecDj14jXC1M2eOQxzt65 --DO0O958jw194Rh58ecDj14jXC1M2eOQxzt65 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=finance1[1].jpg Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: M1h8DC03i064X89oo /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQEAYABgAAD/2wBDAAEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEB AQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQH/2wBDAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEB AQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQH/wgAR CAAPAJsDASIAAhEBAxEB/8QAGQABAQEBAQEABwAGBQgD/8QAGwEBAAEFAQAA AAYBAgMFBwj/2gAMAwEAAhADEfP2k8n8Tn3r71T9CrhKNPKw2Yty5mKL WzVXiiFeKIV4ohXiiFeKIVwbRC8g5F//xAAbEAACAwEBAQAABQQGFQMHAf/a =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
Re: [Goanet] Matteo Colella
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], J. Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Over the following week his health improved, with blood chemistry tests showing steady improvement. He regained full health eventually. I am not a paediatrician. I have not seen the medical records. However, whatever I know seems to be free from fraud or deceit. All of the facts above can be objectively evaluated. If anyone has specific evidence of fraud or deceit, why remain silent? I am assuming that the above is what Joel calls specific evidence or medical facts that can be objectively evaluated by people of any faith. If this is what is deemed sufficient by Joel and others to conclude that this boy's recovery could only be a miracle instantiated specifically through the intercession of Padre Pio, then I would have to definitely believe that all the amazing recoveries that happened under the old Doutor Curchorcar were miracles. He could certainly tell a much better anecdote than the one related by Joel above, on how a man who was about to die recovered immediately after the doutor gave him a theflaanchem ajuth. No objective scientist or physician who is not blinded by one particular faith would conclude that the subjective account of the case of Matteo Colella presented by Joel above leads him/her to the unequivocal conclusion that a miracle has taken place, let alone specifically through the intercession of Padre Pio. Cheers, Santosh =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] Re: Fwd: Parachutes
Parachutes An airplane was about to crash; there were 5 passengers on board gt;gt;but gt;gt; only 4 parachutes. The first passenger said, I'm Kobe Bryant , gt;gt;the gt;gt; best NBA basketball player, the Lakers need me, I can't afford gt;gt;to gt;gt; dieSo he took the first pack and left the plane. The second gt;gt;passenger, gt;gt;Hillary Clinton, said, I am the wife of the former president of gt;gt;the gt;gt;United gt;gt;States, I gt;gt;am also the most ambitious woman in the world and I am a New York gt;gt;Senator gt;gt;and a potential future president. She just took the second gt;gt;parachute and gt;gt;jumped out of the plane. gt;gt; gt;gt;The third passenger, George W. Bush, said : I'm President of gt;gt;the United States of America, I have a great responsibility being gt;gt;the gt;gt;leader of a superpower nation. And above all I'm the cleverest gt;gt;President in gt;gt;American history, so America's people won't let me die. So he put gt;gt;on the gt;gt;pack ! next to him and jumped out of the plane. gt;gt; gt;gt;The fourth passenger, the Pope, says to the fifth passenger, a 10 gt;gt;year-old school boy, I am old and frail and I don't have many gt;gt;years left, gt;gt;as a Catholic I will sacrifice my life and let you have the last gt;gt;parachute. gt;gt; gt;gt;The boy said, it's OK, there's a parachute left for you. America's gt;gt;cleverest President has taken my schoolbag. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] Deceit and Fraud
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], J. Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, whatever I know seems to be free from fraud or deceit. All of the facts above can be objectively evaluated. If anyone has specific evidence of fraud or deceit, why remain silent? Deceit and fraud can be acts of commission as well as of omission. I submit to you that, by omitting important information on the diagnosis and treatment of Matteo Collela, those who were responsible for providing the description (communicated to us by Joel) on his case have tried to deceive us into believing that no conventional medical treatment was given or could be given to this boy. I find it hard to believe that the only treatment that this boy could receive was an exceptionally large dose of adrenaline administered, as a last measure, by pessimistic medical staff. From what I know about medical staff, even the bad ones don't abandon their patients out of pessimism. And yet this account mentions nothing about the diagnosis or the treatment. Did the boy suffer from any bacterial infection? Were any drugs that are known to cure and save the lives of people suffering from severe bacterial infection, given? Why are those who provided the supposedly non-deceptive and non-fraudulent case description withholding this information? I also find it curious that the entire description conveys an atmosphere of hopelessness, carefully crafted with phrases like exceptionally large dose, administered as a last measure, pessimistic medical staff and His death was considered imminent by the medical staff, to create the impression that this state of fatalistic inevitability was medically certified. Nobody who is guided by the principles of honesty, transparency and scientific objectivity would provide such a deceptive case description for objective evaluation as has been provided to us in this forum. Cheers, Santosh =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] NEWS: Indian PMO says Time article is in bad taste
Indian prime minister's office says Time magazine article in bad taste From Indo-Asian News Service New Delhi, June 18 (IANS) Indian Prime Minister's Atal Bihari Vajpayee's office has decried a report in Time magazine as being replete with material and factual errors and in bad taste and said his competence to control the country's nuclear capabilities had never been questioned. The report has already been dismissed by India's ministry of external affairs as completely without foundation and a completely biased and ill-informed article. In a rejoinder to the report Asleep at the Wheel? (June 17), Ashok Tandon, press aide to the prime minister, said in a letter to the newsmagazine that what it carried amounted to purely fictitious notions about the prime minister's lifestyle and was not just mischievous but also malicious. Following is the text of Tandon's letter: (text begins) Your report Asleep at the Wheels (June 17) is in bad taste. It carries several factual errors and contains certain observations about the Prime Minister of India, Atal Bihari Vajpayee, which are nothing but fiction. Mr. Vajpayee is 77 and not 74. His bladder and liver are perfectly normal and he has an average cholesterol level. However, there are more material errors spread throughout the report. Purely fictitious notions about the Prime Minister's lifestyle are absurd and mischievous. He does not take alcoholic drinks. Comments such as He takes a three hour snooze every afternoon on doctor's orders and is given to interminable silences, indecipherable ramblings and, not infrequently, falling asleep in meetings are baseless. A post-lunch siesta is nothing unusual. However, the Prime Minister's punishing schedule keeps him busy from morning to late at night with a short break after lunch. Those familiar with the rigour of Indian politics and the marathon Parliament sessions which the Prime Minister has to cope with can vouch for his fitness. Recently Mr. Vajpayee attended a night-long Parliament session for nearly 12 hours without a break. It is ridiculous to say that the Prime Minister falls asleep in meetings. The use of phrases like he appears confused and inattentive, seems shaky and lost, I am afraid, are, malicious. Mr. Vajpayee has been in command for more than four years and his ability to control the country's nuclear capabilities has never been questioned. The media in India is free and TV crews have filmed him without any restrictions. We have taken strong exceptions to your one-sided report designed to tarnish the Prime Minister's image. Mr Vajpayee undoubtedly is a towering personality and the most popular political figure in the country. (ends text) --Indo-Asian News Service =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
goanet-digest V1 #4095
goanet-digest Tuesday, June 18 2002 Volume 01 : Number 4095 - In this issue: [Goanet] Back on Goanet [Goanet] BETIM CROSS RESTORATION APPEAL [Goanet] Matteo Colella [Goanet] Bounces - Just FYI Re: [Goanet] Matteo Colella [Goanet] Re: Fwd: Parachutes [Goanet] re: Matteo Colella [Goanet] Deceit and Fraud [Goanet] NEWS: Indian PMO says Time article is in bad taste [Goanet] Another wild goa trip to tivim on sunday,23 june [Goanet] INTERVIEW: Dr Willy predicts short life for Parrikar govt (fwd) See end of digest for information on subscribing/unsusbcribing. -- Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 05:59:32 - From: santoshhelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Back on Goanet - --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello there Santosh! You are right in your analysis about Padre Pio. Hi Edgar: Nice to hear from you and to see that you are back on Goanet. I am looking forward to reading some incisive posts from you on all the messy things that are happening in Goa and around the world. Regards, Santosh -- Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:08:42 -0700 From: rene barreto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] BETIM CROSS RESTORATION APPEAL BETIM CROSS RESTORATION APPEAL The Goa Heritage Action Group, a registered NGO has taken a decision to help restore the 16th century Cross located at Betim, Bardez. Ketak Nachinolkar, a graduate of the Goa College of Architecture with a post graduate degree in conservation from the Delhi School of Planning and Architecture has been appointed by the Group to carry out the restoration work of this exquisite piece of heritage. Local residents and well-wishers of the Cross have generously donated a seed fund to start the restoration. Additional funds are urgently needed in order to complete the restoration work in time for the World Goa Day Celebrations on August 18th 2002. The Group and local community would be grateful for contributions, however small, for the restoration of the Betim Cross. All contributions must be made by cheque in favour of Goa Heritage Action Group and sent to 29/30 Green Valley, Porvorim 4035231, Bardez, Goa. Contributions in kind (sand, material, labour, lime, etc.) would be welcome. Cash donations may also be made directly to Ms. Ana Maria de Souza Goswami, Life Member of the Group for amounts not exceeding Rs. 500. Contributors may feel free to inspect the work on site by prior appointment and book accounts will be open to inspection. For further information, call Ms. Goswami at 417847. HETA PANDIT General Sec [EMAIL PROTECTED] PRAJAL SAKHERDANDE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEMBER -- Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:40:24 -0700 (PDT) From: J. Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Matteo Colella I have found some information relating to the case of Matteo Colella, who was cited in the recent St. Pio canonization. Full medical details of the case are available in the medical records. I have not examined these, as the certifying Medical Board did. I know only what I have read. I gather that on January 20, 2000, Matteo Pio Colella, a young and previously healthy child, developed fever, vomiting, and large violet marks on his skin which grew rapidly in number and size. He was severely disorientated. His illness progressed rapidly overnight. By the next morning the medical staff reported that his blood pressure was low to the point of being virtually unmeasurable, there was bleeding from the points where needles had penetrated his skin, and the pink foam of pulmonary oedema was spilling from his mouth. Blood chemistry tests suggested malfunction of end organs. His heartbeat was slow, erratic and interrupted, with only occasional beats detected. An exceptionally large dose of adrenaline was administered, as a last measure, by pessimistic medical staff. For several days, his death was considered imminent by the medical staff. On day 12, he showed signs of regained consciousness for the first time. Over the following week his health improved, with blood chemistry tests showing steady improvement. He regained full health eventually. I am not a paediatrician. I have not seen the medical records. However, whatever I know seems to be free from fraud or deceit. All of the facts above can be objectively evaluated. If anyone has specific evidence of fraud or deceit, why remain silent? Joel Almeida __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com -- Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:51:14 +0200 From: Viviana [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Bounces - Just FYI Netters - the GoaNet equivalent of the Dead Letter File is my mailbox. Most of you already know this, I'm sure.
[Goanet] CPI'S CAUTION ON SIOLIM-CHOPDEM BRIDGE OPENING
CPI SEES RED IN VIEW OF SIOLIM-CHOPDEM BRIDGE OPENING In an open letter dated 17th June, 2002, addressed to Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar, Christopher Fonseca, Secretary of Communist Party of India (Goa), has cautioned the government to ensure that the opening of the Siolim-Chopdem Bridge is not carried out in haste before ensuring that the bottlenecks likely to be created to the smooth flow of the increased traffic, in the villages on either side of the bridge, are cleared. The letter also says, While we join the people in Goa in rejoicing at the fact that the bridge will be completed and put to use for the benefit of the traveling public after a long wait and delay, may we point out that this happy development will throw up new problems. One of the main problems foreseen by Fonseca, who was a CPI candidate for the Siolim constituency, is: The opening of the bridge will cause permanent loss of livelihood to the people of Siolim and Chopdem, specially those who have woven their livelihood on the banks of the river and near the ferry-points. The change is going to be an ordeal for them, causing negation of livelihood for the people at the Siolim bazaar, to the small shopkeepers and their workers, gaddas, tea stalls, fish, meat, vegetable and flower sellers, taximen, tempos, rickshaw and motorcycle pilots, toddy tappers, liquor vendors and others. The letter says, We propose that the government should conduct a 'spot survey' and publish a 'white paper' with a concrete action plan to ensure that all those, who are affected, should be duly rehabilitated or compensated for the permanent loss of livelihood and opportunity. The consequence of the opening of the bridge will result into congestion on the very narrow out reaches of the connecting roads, which are insufficient to service this increased traffic. The letter also refers to the totally run down condition of the connecting roads at Cunchelim, Assagao, Badem, Caisua and Anjuna, which have not seen repairs for a very long time. Fonseca points out that the Siolim-Chopdem ferry boats should not be decommissioned completely, but at least a skeleton service retained to enable people from nearby areas to cross the river and travel to and fro. The letter also strikes a note of caution on the environmental front, stating, The Chapora/Caisua River is dying a slow death. The once deep and blue river is growing shallow due to the rapid siltation, a huge 'silt bank' has been allowed to thrive right in the middle of the river due to the crass neglect and apathy of the succeeding governments. The multiple-pier bridge has further accentuated this siltation process. Hence it requests the government to dredge the river for the benefit of navigation, growth of fish, shell-fish and aquatic life, for which the river was once known all over. There have been repeated reports that one of the pillars/columns of the Siolim-Chopdem bridge is defective. In the interest of one and all we caution the government to maintain an eagle's vigil on the bridge to regulate its safety and use, and a double-check ought to be conducted on the 'faulty column', Fonseca states. In conclusion, he says, The government should seriously ponder over the issues raised here above and take steps to rectify the same on a war-footing. * * * =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] re: Matteo Colella
Santosh Helekar writes: tried to deceive us into believing that no conventional medical treatment was given or could be given to this boy. -- Dear Santosh, Please be objective. Unlike the Medical Board which assessed the prognosis on the basis of the full medical records and other relevant evidence, I write only the little that I know. Those who feel strongly enough about these things can seek access to the full medical reports. Let's assume that the best known conventional treatment was given. I have no reason or intent to believe or suggest otherwise. The question still remains: what was Matteo Colella's prognosis? If anyone has reason to differ with the verdict of the Medical Board regarding the prognosis in this case, please do not remain silent. I am as yet unable to find any grounds for differing with their verdict. Regards, Joel Almeida PS Good idea to discard terms such as hysteria and skeptical, which launched this discussion. If the medical staff described themselves as being pessimistic about the prognosis, I am not in a position to differ. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] July 2, GOA DAY dinner in New York
Dear all, You are invited to celebrate GOA DAY in New York. Please RSVP if you can make it and reconfirm if you have previously said you will attend. We need an accurate headcount. Thanks to Victor Rangel-Rebeiro (author) for arranging the dinner and to Eric Pinto for inviting various people. All are invited (all ages, Goans, non-Goans). We had initially planned to meet just for the heck of it, and this is a great opportunity to celebrate GOA DAY. This is a very informal gathering, low-key, and an opportunity to meet for a few hours. I am personally looking forward to meeting anyone who can make it even if you can stop by only for a few minutes. Please email me and let me know, deadline to sign up is June 25, 2002 as we need to inform the restaurant in advance. Maharaja Restaurant from 5.30 to 9.00 p.m. on July 2, 2002, Tuesday. Address: East 44th Street in Manhattan, very close to Second Avenue, and between Second and Third Drinks (no-host) from 5:30-7pm (you can come for drinks only if you can't stay for dinner) Buffet dinner from 7-9pm The buffet will consist of 3 vegetables, 2 meat dishes, a seafood dish, dal, pullao, nan, parathas, papads, desserts, and soft drinks. Juices, lassis, liquor, would have to be paid for separately. Total cost per head for dinner is $25 and is payable to the restaurant manager. This includes taxes and tip. Children under 12 is $15. Children under 3, no charge. The Maharaja restaurant in located in mid-town Manhattan. Look forward to seeing you. Regards, George Pinto __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] Re: A Skeptical View on the Padre Pio Hysteria
santoshhelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The recent spate of posts and worldwide hysteria about Padre Pio's canonization has once again drawn attention to supernatural phenomena, such as stigmata, bi-location and miraculous cures. To those who might be muscled into believing in these things by the sheer magnitude of this hysteria, I would like to present below a contrasting rational view regarding these phenomena. Dear Readers: This so-called rational view hereinabove can be ascribed to personal opinion (or viewpoint), and we know the definition of opinion and more so, --how opinions can differ across the spectrum. However, I hasten to add that I wouldnt blame Santosh for his skeptic views on various matters concerning -- God, Religion and miracles - after all (I guess) his profession calls for skepticism. Nevertheless, I wonder if he would do good by viewing the glass as half full rather than half empty in the course of his discernments and discourses on vital issues. In the canonization process there is a role known as (or previously called) the Devils Advocate this role freely allows for refutation of a miracle claim through (scientific) demonstration. Any scientific theory, by definition, is as good as the conclusive proof it provides. And any amount of unsubstantiated rhetoric cannot disapprove, invalidate or repudiate a miracle in its own right, virtue and definition. The canonization process is subjected to rigorous scrutiny and scientific study and analysis, and therefore amply allows for refutation of claims. And when --and only when-- no evidence is produced, to refute the occurrence of the miracle, or miraculous cure/s as in this case, it is declared as such (miracle) --as inexplicable phenomenon, to the human mind. A passage from the book Conversation with God succinctly states: You dont want to know the Truth, you want to know the Truth as you understand it. This is the greatest barrier to your enlightenment. You think you already know the Truth! You think you already understand how it is. So you agree with everything you see or hear or read that falls into the paradigm of your understanding, and reject everything which does not. And this you call learning? This you call being open to the teachings? Alas, you can never be open to teachings so long as you are closed to everything, save your own Truth. God and miracles have remained unfathomable mysteries to humankind and science cannot unravel this mystery. And as mysterious as it may seem it is an irrefutable fact that miracles do occur in human life. Truth never changes its form; it will always remains as the truth - no matter what the case, condition or circumstance. Best wishes, Joe Vaz _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] re: Matteo Colella
Santosh Helekar writes: You are drawing your conclusions based on the little that you know. Dear Santosh, That is false. My conclusions rely on the fully informed expert opinion of the Medical Board. If anyone knows of specific evidence to refute their verdict, why remain silent? Regards, Joel Almeida PS I think evidence is more powerful than rhetoric. Why not try it? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] Seaman falls off boat; drowns
Fred , Is Joe not the brother of John D Silva ? Joe was our school mate - at St.Pauls in Belgaum. rene Seaman falls off boat; drowns From Our Margao Bureau MARGAO, June 18: Captain of vessel MV Gosalia Prospects, Joe D'Silva died when he fell off the boat, this afternoon. The strong winds had also carried away the vessel, which was later brought back to the Mormugao Port Trust's (MPT) berth. The incident occurred this afternoon, when D'Silva was climbing up the boat, which is a mini-transhipper in nature. Though the reason of his slip into the water was not known, sources said that captain got a sudden heart attack. While sources disclosed that ship was also carried away with the strong wind, police did not confirm the incident. We have got the information that the captain died due to drowning. We have no knowledge about ship sinking or being carried away, stated superintendent of police (South), Mr I D Shukla. It is learnt that the ship which was carried away due to strong winds was brought back to the berth number 10 of MPT with the help of Coast Guard and MPT. The Coast Guard officials, when contacted, declined to furnish any information. The deceased was 56-year-old and was hailing from Ratwado, Navelim. His body was fished out by Coast Guard and later brought to Goa Shipyard in a helicopter. Later, it was sent to Hospicio Hospital, Margao. Harbour police have registered a case under Section 174 of CrPc. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
Re: [Goanet] re: Canonization
Now, if you guys like to hoist yourself on the pedestal of rationalism, go ahead. Leave the Catholic Church alone! Your cheap potshots at the Catholic Church speak more about your intellectual and spiritual bankruptcy than a faith and tradition that is more than 2000 years old. And the forces of evil shall not overcome it. Rohit. On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 santoshhelekar wrote : --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], J. Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Both Catholics and Materialists know that miracles are (by definition) highly improbable. Church authorities were themselves highly sceptical about St. Pio during his lifetime. That by itself is neither here nor there. Awaken, Materialists, seize your chance: demolish these claims with specific evidence. Otherwise I fear that most people might not take you too seriously. Joel, Are you being even-handed in your treatment of the Materialists, as opposed to the Catholics, here? Why would people not take only the Materialists seriously? What have the Catholics done vis-a-vis these claims to deserve such special favor? Don't you believe in fairness and equal justice to people on all sides of a proposition? You might have suggestions for further tightening the procedures in certifying miracles. I urge you to make your suggestions to the Vatican. I am as anxious as you are that nobody be deceived. Could you tell the Vatican to submit a detailed report on the scientific validation of their miracles to an international scientific journal to be considered for publication as a peer-reviewed research article? It is an inappropriate (some would say unethical) scientific practice to publicize non-peer-reviewed findings through the popular media. Cheers, Santosh _ Click below to visit monsterindia.com and there is always a better job for you at http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] Re: A Skeptical View on the Padre Pio Hysteria
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Joe Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the canonization process there is a role known as (or previously called) the ?Devil?s Advocate? this role freely allows for refutation of a miracle claim through (scientific) demonstration. . Any scientific theory, by definition, is as good as the conclusive proof it provides. And any amount of unsubstantiated rhetoric cannot disapprove, invalidate or repudiate a miracle in its own right, virtue and definition. The canonization process is subjected to rigorous scrutiny and scientific study and analysis, and therefore amply allows for refutation of claims. And when --and only when-- no evidence is produced, to refute the occurrence of the miracle, or miraculous cure/s as in this case, it is declared as such (?miracle?) --as inexplicable phenomenon, to the human mind. I have debated with Joe Vaz on this matter in the past. As in his previous posts on this issue, his argument continues to suffer from a serious misunderstanding of Science and the scientific method. Here is what my understanding of the scientific method is. This is the science I know and practice on a daily basis in my own modest way: 1. Science always tries to seek rational natural explanations for observed phenomena - explanations that do not violate established scientific principles based on objective evidence. 2. When confronted with an apparently unusual and extraordinary observation the default scientific position is to still seek natural explanations perhaps involving modification of the existing principles. However, such modifications are viewed with tremendous skepticism by the rest of the scientific community. To be taken seriously the proponent of this new explanation has to carry the entire burden of providing an extraordinary amount and type of objective scientific evidence to support his claim. 3. Science does not accept or even consider a claim as legitimate just because it has not or cannot be refuted by others. 4. Science under no circumstances entertains supernatural explanations of any kind. 5. If a religious, paranormal or supernatural organization decides to stretch their definition of Science to include supernatural explanations, they would still have to require that the proponents of such explanations carry the burden of supporting their claims with an extraordinary amount and type of objective scientific evidence. Of course they can stretch the definition of the scientific method to suit their own convenience. But then their claim that they have followed rigorous scrutiny and scientific study and analysis would be false and deceptive. Such claims have been made by all kinds of pseudoscientific disciplines and organizations, such as astrology, believers in UFOs, believers in telepathy, etc. 6. All genuine scientific reports that are deemed to result from a rigorous scrutiny and scientific study and analysis are published in a reputed scientific journal after an excruciating peer-review process conducted by anonymous expert referees. I would love to know the name of the scientific journal in which the miracle claims that Joe Vaz is referring to are published. If they have not been published in such a manner, then I have no choice but to discount his claim that the canonization process is subjected to rigorous scrutiny and scientific study and analysis. Such a statement is empty rhetoric. Another clear example of empty rhetoric is the passage quoted by him below: A passage from the book Conversation with God succinctly states: You don?t want to know the Truth, you want to know the Truth as you understand it. This is the greatest barrier to your enlightenment. You think you already know the Truth! You think you already understand how it is. So you agree with everything you see or hear or read that falls into the paradigm of your understanding, and reject everything which does not. And this you call learning? This you call being open to the teachings? Alas, you can never be open to teachings so long as you are closed to everything, save your own Truth. The above passage is not just empty rhetoric. It is ironic, because it applies more aptly to religion than to science. God and miracles have remained unfathomable mysteries to humankind ? and science cannot unravel this mystery. And as mysterious as it may seem ? it is an irrefutable fact that miracles do occur in human life. Truth never changes its form; it will always remains as the truth ?- no matter what the case, condition or circumstance. Upon reading the above additional rhetoric, the following rhetorical questions come to mind: How does Joe Vaz know all this? Could it be that he has a privileged vantage point that enables him to see the truth? Does he know the ultimate truth by any chance? Cheers, Santosh =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from
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goanet-digest Tuesday, June 18 2002 Volume 01 : Number 4096 - In this issue: [Goanet] CPI'S CAUTION ON SIOLIM-CHOPDEM BRIDGE OPENING [Goanet] re: Matteo Colella [Goanet] July 2, GOA DAY dinner in New York [Goanet] re: Matteo Colella [Goanet] Re: A Skeptical View on the Padre Pio Hysteria [Goanet] re: Matteo Colella [Goanet] Seaman falls off boat; drowns Re: [Goanet] re: Canonization [Goanet] Re: A Skeptical View on the Padre Pio Hysteria See end of digest for information on subscribing/unsusbcribing. -- Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:53:31 +0530 From: Joel D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] CPI'S CAUTION ON SIOLIM-CHOPDEM BRIDGE OPENING CPI SEES RED IN VIEW OF SIOLIM-CHOPDEM BRIDGE OPENING In an open letter dated 17th June, 2002, addressed to Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar, Christopher Fonseca, Secretary of Communist Party of India (Goa), has cautioned the government to ensure that the opening of the Siolim-Chopdem Bridge is not carried out in haste before ensuring that the bottlenecks likely to be created to the smooth flow of the increased traffic, in the villages on either side of the bridge, are cleared. The letter also says, While we join the people in Goa in rejoicing at the fact that the bridge will be completed and put to use for the benefit of the traveling public after a long wait and delay, may we point out that this happy development will throw up new problems. One of the main problems foreseen by Fonseca, who was a CPI candidate for the Siolim constituency, is: The opening of the bridge will cause permanent loss of livelihood to the people of Siolim and Chopdem, specially those who have woven their livelihood on the banks of the river and near the ferry-points. The change is going to be an ordeal for them, causing negation of livelihood for the people at the Siolim bazaar, to the small shopkeepers and their workers, gaddas, tea stalls, fish, meat, vegetable and flower sellers, taximen, tempos, rickshaw and motorcycle pilots, toddy tappers, liquor vendors and others. The letter says, We propose that the government should conduct a 'spot survey' and publish a 'white paper' with a concrete action plan to ensure that all those, who are affected, should be duly rehabilitated or compensated for the permanent loss of livelihood and opportunity. The consequence of the opening of the bridge will result into congestion on the very narrow out reaches of the connecting roads, which are insufficient to service this increased traffic. The letter also refers to the totally run down condition of the connecting roads at Cunchelim, Assagao, Badem, Caisua and Anjuna, which have not seen repairs for a very long time. Fonseca points out that the Siolim-Chopdem ferry boats should not be decommissioned completely, but at least a skeleton service retained to enable people from nearby areas to cross the river and travel to and fro. The letter also strikes a note of caution on the environmental front, stating, The Chapora/Caisua River is dying a slow death. The once deep and blue river is growing shallow due to the rapid siltation, a huge 'silt bank' has been allowed to thrive right in the middle of the river due to the crass neglect and apathy of the succeeding governments. The multiple-pier bridge has further accentuated this siltation process. Hence it requests the government to dredge the river for the benefit of navigation, growth of fish, shell-fish and aquatic life, for which the river was once known all over. There have been repeated reports that one of the pillars/columns of the Siolim-Chopdem bridge is defective. In the interest of one and all we caution the government to maintain an eagle's vigil on the bridge to regulate its safety and use, and a double-check ought to be conducted on the 'faulty column', Fonseca states. In conclusion, he says, The government should seriously ponder over the issues raised here above and take steps to rectify the same on a war-footing. * * * -- Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 12:45:09 -0700 (PDT) From: J. Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] re: Matteo Colella Santosh Helekar writes: tried to deceive us into believing that no conventional medical treatment was given or could be given to this boy. - -- Dear Santosh, Please be objective. Unlike the Medical Board which assessed the prognosis on the basis of the full medical records and other relevant evidence, I write only the little that I know. Those who feel strongly enough about these things can seek access to the full medical reports. Let's assume that the best known conventional treatment was given. I have no reason or intent to believe or suggest otherwise. The question still remains: what was
Re: [Goanet] NEWS: Indian PMO says Time article is in bad taste
On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 Nagesh Bhatcar wrote : Ford tripped and fell a number of times. But then again, the President of the United States is not equal to the Prime Minister of India! Dont forget Mr. Bush Sr. who puked in Japan or Jr. who choked on a harmless pretzel. At least Vajpayee can devour his food without any problems. - Sonali _ Click below to experience Aishwarya Rai's beauty secrets. New International Lux Skincare - It's not just soap, It's skincare. http://www.luxskincare.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
Re: [Goanet] NEWS: Indian PMO says Time article is in bad taste
Sonali wrote: Dont forget Mr. Bush Sr. who puked in Japan or Jr. who choked on a harmless pretzel. At least Vajpayee can devour his food without any problems. Sonali, Here's something from today's The Globe and Mail, (Canada) that I found interesting. Mervyn --- Terrorism is defined by the American Heritage Dictionary as use of force or violence by a person or group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for idelogical or political reasons. Apparently, the United States has just adopted terrorism as its official foreign policy regarding Iraq. George W. Bush has given the CIA a green light to to topple or capture the Iraqi leader, using violence and deadly force if necessary. The Iraqi people are no doubt trilled that the Americans feel it is their right to determine who should be running Iraq, and that they are willing to resort to terrorism to achieve thier aims. The war on terrorism' continues, with the CIA preparing to make al-Queda look like the amateur thugs they are. Craig Squires, Toronto. I don't see why there has to be concern in Washington about the illegality of assassinating foreign leaders such as Saddam Hussein. All the US government has to do is label him an enemy combatant and then they can do whatever they like with him. Mike McNulty, Kichner, Ontario =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] FREE LEGAL ADVICE
* Documented by Goa Desc Documentation Service circulated by Goa Civic Consumer Action Network (GOA CAN)[EMAIL PROTECTED] * - FREE LEGAL ADVICE - North Goa District Legal Services Authority has opened a Counselling and Conciliation Centre in the premises of Civil and Criminal Court at Mapusa. Adv Amrut Kansar and Adv A V N Salatry will give free advice on legal matters on first and third working Saturdays of every month between 3 pm to 5 pm. The working of the Centre will be commenced from 15 June. Members of the public who are interested in seeking legal advice on any civil, criminal or revenue dispute are called upon to approach the center and take advantage of the free consultation provided by the North Goa District Legal Services Authority. --- GOMANTAK TIMES 9/6/2002Page 4 --- === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Working On Issues Of Development Democracy === =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] Capt Joe DeSilva
Rene: He's ex-Belgaum. FN From the obituary ad: Death Capt Joseph F X DeSilva (Joe), Navelim-Belgaum, ex-Indian Navy. Son of late Capt Julius and late Jovina DeSilva, beloved husband of Olya, loving father of Alexander (Shurick), Ravi Mark and Dr Natasha. Expired on 18/6/2002 under tragic circumstances. Funeral details to be intimated tomorrow From: rene barreto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Seaman falls off boat; drowns Fred , Is Joe not the brother of John D Silva ? Joe was our school mate - at St.Pauls in Belgaum. rene Seaman falls off boat; drowns From Our Margao Bureau MARGAO, June 18: Captain of vessel MV Gosalia Prospects, Joe D'Silva died when he fell off the boat, this afternoon. The strong winds had also carried away the vessel, which was later brought back to the Mormugao Port Trust's (MPT) berth. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
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-- Forwarded message -- approved: Vivremember From: Robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: GoaNet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: LETTER FROM PAKISTAN / 'Milestone' for ecumenism in Pakistan A milestone for ecumenism in Pakistan KARACHI: Catholics are hailing the appointment of two Protestant teachers of Greek and Hebrew at their main theological center as a landmark move towards ecumenism. Arne Rudovin, a retired bishop of the Church of Pakistan who has taught Greek, and Hebrew language expert Gerald Mall are to lecture the students of the National Catholic Institute of Theology this summer.Mall is the vice-principal of St Thomas Theological College, located on the premises of the Holy Trinity Cathedral. This is the first time that NCIT has introduced Greek and Hebrew language courses for its pupils. The dean of NCIT, Fr Robert McCullough, made the announcement during the release of the institute's annual report.Fr McCullough was quoted by NCIT students last week as saying that the latest staff recruitment was an important step on the less travelled path to ecumenism in Pakistan. Ecumenism, which is a part of the current academic session at NCIT, has become a popular goal for the two denominations in recent years in the face of mounting persecution. KARACHI: There are believed to be some 200 names for Jesus Christ in the Old and New Testaments of the Bible, a Christian scholar said here. Paul Herson, a leading theologist and pastor of the Central Baptist Church on Tariq Road, said that knowledge of those names would enrich the lives of all Christians. Some of the names reeled off by Herson are attributes of Christ. __ You have received this email from TV-Email, developed by Wavetech. For more information on TV-Email click on http://wavetec.com/tv-email =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] 10QUESTIONS: ... does Goan humour have a gloomy side too?
DO WE LAUGH AT OURSELVES? OR, DOES GOAN HUMOUR HAVE A GLOOMY SIDE TOO? Journalist, editor and poet Manohar Shetty edited 'Goa Today' between 1987-93. He has published three books of poems, the last 'Domestic Creatures' from Oxford University Press (New Delhi), and has edited 'Ferry Crossing -- Short Stories from Goa' (Penguin India). Shetty read his poems at Lahti, Finland last year at a literary festival and has been invited later this year to the Vilinica Arts Festival in Slovenia. He also did a special India number for 'Poetry Wales' due out next month. He has ideas to edit a big book on Goa but no arts foundation or grants commissions seem interested, he complains. After all this serious work, Shetty took time to recently look at Goan humour. FREDERICK NORONHA uses the peg offered by Shetty's recently-edited 'humour special' (published by the now government-run Institute Menezes Braganza's journal 'Govapuri', available at its first floor office above Panjim's Central Library at Rs 20.) to discuss the state of Goan writing. This volume contains the first ever English translation of an almost forgotten book -- Jacob e Dulce, set in the 1890s Margao colloquialisms and thought untranslatable; news-reports like 100 sausages stolen from Chandor shop; and Mario Miranda's early illustrations published over five decades ago in a 'Loutulensis League' souvenir! Excerpts: --- After having done the work, what's your view of Goan humour? Does it exist? --- Yes, of course it exists and some of it more sophisticated than the rumbustious 'tiatr'. But there's also a gloomy side, a morbid interest in obituaries, funerals, ghosts and other people's misfortunes. (Note also the sepulchral air in the office of Institute Menezes Braganza and the torture chamber that is the Sub Registrar's office of Births and Deaths. You'd wish you'd never been born. They make Kafka sound like P G Wodehouse). --- What prompted you in choosing this subject? --- The previous issues have all been on the serious side -- the Liberation Struggle, environment and heritage. I thought a humour special would balance that and garner two or three more readers. Incidentally, 'Govapuri' has a nonexistent readership. IMB's idea of distribution is storing all the copies in a godown and posting sentries around it. --- How does the Goan sense of humour (if it exists) compare with other states? --- An awkward question. Can they be comparable? Isn't humour universal? But as in all small, provincial places there's a tendency to believe that they're the only ones with a vast fund of insider jokes. The happy-go-lucky image is media myth. Naivete can be charming, but also dangerous. (Note the distressing election results). --- Has this subject been studied sufficiently? --- Why reduce humour to scholastic drudgery? --- Was it difficult to locate resources? --- Yes. Even the request sent out (via the Internet for material related to Goa-humour) received virtually no response, except for the jokes I picked up from (one of the Goan online) newsletter. In the end I was compelled to use a story of my own, which had nothing to do with Goa (except that I'm quasi-Goan by now), just to make up the numbers. --- What struck you about cartoonist Mario Miranda's early work (which are included in this volume)? --- His eye for detail, his skills as a draughts-man, and the total absence of malice. --- Have any earlier attempts been made of this kind, for instance Peter Nazareth's 'reader' which looks, inter alia, at some humour writing? --- 'Ferry Crossing' does contain a few stories on the funny side, but the general tone is somber. --- What are the next themes for Govapuri? --- My contract with them has not been renewed. This is my sixth, and after my above comments, probably my last issue. Nice way to sign off.
