Re: [H] 27" Monitors

[Gary Udstrand]

Mono-price is now selling monitors and they are getting great reviews.  I
have a WHQL 27 inch monitor already (Dell), and as soon as my new desk gets
here I am going to order another from Monoprice.  :-)


--
Gary
http://www.twigsandtracks.com
Twigs snap and tracks fade, a photograph reacquaints
Twigs and Tracks Blog: Superior
Sunrise


On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Steve Tomporowski wrote:

> I'm thinking of getting a 27" monitor for my DAW system (currently a 21"
> and an old 19" 4-3 monitor) so I'm looking for recommendations for
> something with good value ($1000+ monitors are out).  Maybe it's me, but I
> don't see the rationale in going from a 21" 1920x1080 to a 27" 1920x1080,
> unless it's for failing eyesight.  SoI'd like to get the resolution up
> to 2560x1440.  Most of the cheap 27" don't do that and there are several
> that don't have an 'AD' board.  I'm assuming that's the resolution scaling
> board.  So what's good that's 27", 2560x1440 and don't require a mortgage?
>
> Thanks...Steve
>

[H] Drives for a Workstation

[Gary Udstrand]

I also posted this on Anandtech so if you browse the forums you may have
seen this already.  But for those who don't...

I have built (mostly) a PC that I am using for photo, video and audio. The
mobo that I have is the Asus Sabertooth X79 which has some SATA ports
configured for SSD caching.

My question is this; what would be the optimal config for the drives in
this PC? I do have a Samsung 840 Pro as the boot/application drive (which I
just discovered may have reliability issues...). Additional drives would be
used for storing lots of photos, audio and video.

I had initially planned on getting two 2-3TB drives but after discovering
the SSD caching I wonder if I should get another SSD drive and use the
caching. I do need both read and write performance if possible. Would two
drives in a RAID configuration be as fast, or at least close, to an SSD
cached solution?

Re: [H] Guitar Hero or Rock Band?

[Gary Udstrand]

Call of Duty, World of Warfare II.  :-)

--
Gary
http://www.twigsandtracks.com
Twigs snap and tracks fade, a photograph reacquaints


On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:38 PM, John R Steinbruner wrote:

> None of the above,..
>
> Halo or Forza 3  :)
>
> Cheers.
>
>
>
> On Dec 3, 2009, at 5:28 PM, Bobby Heid wrote:
>
> > Hey,
> >
> >
> >
> > I won an XBox 360 Elite tonight at a Microsoft event.  I was going to buy
> > one for my daughter (14 years old) for Christmas, so timing could not
> have
> > been better.
> >
> >
> >
> > I was thinking about getting her either Rock Band or Guitar Hero to go
> with
> > it.  I would like to get some feedback from you all as to which one you
> like
> > best.  And, if you've played both, why you liked one over the other.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bobby
> >
>
>
> --
> JRS
> stei...@pacbell.net
>
> Facts do not cease to exist just
> because they are ignored.
>
>

[H] Cyber Monday deals

[Gary Udstrand]

I am in need of a new digital imaging workstation.  I want to avoid AMD
(last several machines have been AMD and each has had their own quirks which
I would like to avoid) and am looking for the best/latest Intel chip.
Hoping to find a good deal on Cyber Monday but I am not familar enough with
Intel's offerings to know a good deal if I see it.   If anyone has any
recommendations or can steer me towards a good deal I would really
appreciate it.   I am looking at building/buying the whole PC so I would be
interested in complete PC's or parts.  Primarliy I am looking for some help
with the Motherboard/CPU.   :-)

Thanks!
--
Gary
http://www.twigsandtracks.com
Twigs snap and tracks fade, a photograph reacquaints

Re: [H] PW protect a folder ?

[Gary Udstrand]

I use TrueCrypt to protect any and all sensitive data.   You could create an
encrypted volume and copy the folder to it.  When it is unmounted it is
encrypted and unreadable, to use you simple mount it and assign a drive
letter.  It can be driven via the command line and/or using Launchy (open
source keystroke launcher).   Works great and I would highly recommend it.

--
Gary
http://www.twigsandtracks.com
Twigs snap and tracks fade, a photograph reacquaints


On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:21 AM, FORC5  wrote:

> Any suggestion on PW protecting a local folder ?
>
> google found a few suggestions that did not work.
> thanks
> fp
>
>
> --
> Tallyho ! ]:8)
> Taglines below !
> --
> Better to understand little than misunderstand a lot.
>
>

[H] Apple Airport Extreme

[Gary Udstrand]

My DLink wireless N router inexplicable quit working after just 5 short
months.  I needed a router quickly and had to resort to Best Buy.  I asked
some employees which was the very best router they sold and the consensus
was the Apple Airport Extreme.  So, I bought it and took it home.   So far
it seems OK but I don't like having to use the Airport Utility to config the
unit and would prefer a browser based tool.   I also have had some issues
connecting with a Cisco VPN to the office.   My normal connection uses
IPSec, however with the Airport Extreme my connection was consistenly
dropped every 5-10 minutes.   I tried various port forwarding configs but
nothing seemed to work.   I eventually changed the connection type to
IPSec/TCP and it is now rock solid.

Anyway, this thing was pretty expensive (~$180.00) and I wanted to make sure
there were not other issues right around the corner.  Other than the config
util and the VPN hiccup it has been very, very fast and reliable (although I
have not had it for very long).   I like the simultaneous dual band, guest
network and the performance but.  if there is something better I want to
know about it.  I can still return this router and I don't have a problem
spending upwards of a couple hundred bucks on a router, but I do want the
best.   Fast and relible and flexible.

I looked at a few reviews on CNET and the Airport was one of the highest
rated, although it had relatively few reviews compared to the others.  I
also did not see many (any?) wireless N dual bands that were higher than 3-
31/2 stars so maybe the Airport is the best.   But then again, these were
CNET reviews so I kind of take them with a grain of salt.  I trust this
group a whole lot more and would love to hear your thoughts and opinions.
:-)

Thanks!
--
Gary
http://www.twigsandtracks.com
Twigs snap and tracks fade, a photograph reacquaints

Re: [H] Acronis True Image deal?

[Gary Udstrand]

Your welcome.  :-)

--
Gary
http://www.twigsandtracks.com
Twigs snap and tracks fade, a photograph reacquaints


On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Veech  wrote:

> ok thank you!  I ordered it, looks like it's a download.
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Gary Udstrand" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 06:22
>
> Subject: Re: [H] Acronis True Image deal?
>
>
>  I signed up for a Happy Easter promo, depending on the number of people
>> the
>> price would drop.  They sent me an email with the final price, try this
>> link:
>>
>>
>> https://acronis.cleverbridge.com/325/purl-ati2009h_en?x-medium=Special&x-campaign=100132&coupon=WLF-5HT-CPH&tracking=geUA1499431,gaUA1499431,&mid=2134&lid=2&uid=666
>>
>> --
>> Gary
>> http://www.twigsandtracks.com
>> Twigs snap and tracks fade, a photograph reacquaints
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Veech  wrote:
>>
>>  Maximum PC loves Acronis True Image and I was considering getting this as
>>> well.  Where did you see this good price?
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:14
>>> Subject: Re: [H] Acronis True Image deal?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  I'm not as hot on disk director, its handy but you need it once a blue
>>>
>>>> moon.  But true image is 100% worth $29.
>>>> Sent via BlackBerry
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Gary Udstrand 
>>>>
>>>> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:59:21
>>>> To: The Hardware List
>>>> Subject: [H] Acronis True Image deal?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can get Acronis True Image Home 2009 for $29.65.  Is this a good
>>>> price? It seems the consensus here was that his was a pretty good
>>>> package (best?) for backup and imaging.  I thought it may be nice to get
>>>> Disk Director 10 too but adding that would bring the total to $79.64. Is
>>>> DD worth the extra money?   Anyone know of any package deals for the two
>>>> that would work out cheaper?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> --
>>>> Gary
>>>> http://www.twigsandtracks.com
>>>> Twigs snap and tracks fade, a photograph reacquaints
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [H] Acronis True Image deal?

[Gary Udstrand]

I signed up for a Happy Easter promo, depending on the number of people the
price would drop.  They sent me an email with the final price, try this
link:

https://acronis.cleverbridge.com/325/purl-ati2009h_en?x-medium=Special&x-campaign=100132&coupon=WLF-5HT-CPH&tracking=geUA1499431,gaUA1499431,&mid=2134&lid=2&uid=666

--
Gary
http://www.twigsandtracks.com
Twigs snap and tracks fade, a photograph reacquaints


On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Veech  wrote:

> Maximum PC loves Acronis True Image and I was considering getting this as
> well.  Where did you see this good price?
>
>
> - Original Message - From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:14
> Subject: Re: [H] Acronis True Image deal?
>
>
>
>  I'm not as hot on disk director, its handy but you need it once a blue
>> moon.  But true image is 100% worth $29.
>> Sent via BlackBerry
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Gary Udstrand 
>>
>> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:59:21
>> To: The Hardware List
>> Subject: [H] Acronis True Image deal?
>>
>>
>> I can get Acronis True Image Home 2009 for $29.65.  Is this a good
>> price? It seems the consensus here was that his was a pretty good
>> package (best?) for backup and imaging.  I thought it may be nice to get
>> Disk Director 10 too but adding that would bring the total to $79.64.   Is
>> DD worth the extra money?   Anyone know of any package deals for the two
>> that would work out cheaper?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> --
>> Gary
>> http://www.twigsandtracks.com
>> Twigs snap and tracks fade, a photograph reacquaints
>>
>
>

[H] Acronis True Image deal?

[Gary Udstrand]

I can get Acronis True Image Home 2009 for $29.65.  Is this a good
price? It seems the consensus here was that his was a pretty good
package (best?) for backup and imaging.  I thought it may be nice to get
Disk Director 10 too but adding that would bring the total to $79.64.   Is
DD worth the extra money?   Anyone know of any package deals for the two
that would work out cheaper?

Thanks!
--
Gary
http://www.twigsandtracks.com
Twigs snap and tracks fade, a photograph reacquaints

Re: [H] Thermaltake Blacx

[Gary Udstrand]

Hmm, my safe is a Browning gun safe that is fire rated too 1200°/90 min..

Besides storing one on site in my safe I will have a duplicate that is going
off site.  ;-)
g

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Winterlight wrote:

> At 11:38 AM 2/23/2009, you wrote:
>
>> Anyone have any experience with these?   I was leaning towards the
>> USB/eSata
>> one along with a couple 1.5TB Seagates to back up my NAS.I plan on
>> keeping one drive in my fireproof safe and the other will be shipped
>> offsite.   If I do this, what is the best way to store the drives?  Static
>> bags?  Vacuum packed?   Enclosures of some kind?  I am not averse to
>> spending a few bucks to protect the drives while they are in storage.
>>
>
> I stick mine in a ziplock freezer bag with a desiccant bag.
>
> Unless your safe is in the ground, in concrete you are better off putting
> the backup drive off site or in a safety deposit box. Here in Southern
> California we have lots of fires, and I have a friend that is a  locksmith.
> After a recent fire in an expensive area of Santa Barbara, he got lots of
> calls to open fireproof safes. The only ones where the contents survived
> were in the ground.
>



-- 
-Gary

[H] Thermaltake Blacx

[Gary Udstrand]

Anyone have any experience with these?   I was leaning towards the USB/eSata
one along with a couple 1.5TB Seagates to back up my NAS.I plan on
keeping one drive in my fireproof safe and the other will be shipped
offsite.   If I do this, what is the best way to store the drives?  Static
bags?  Vacuum packed?   Enclosures of some kind?  I am not averse to
spending a few bucks to protect the drives while they are in storage.

Seems like a series of drives in a rotation is a lot better backup strategy
rather than using tape

http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Products.aspx?C=1346

-- 
-Gary

[H] Color Laser printer

[Gary Udstrand]

I am in need of a color laser printer for my home office.   I have been
looking at the Dell 2130cn <
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/All_Printers/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&cs=19&sku=224-0665>
and it seems like a decent printer.  I have not been able to find much in
the way of reviews or operating costs.   Is this a good printer?

Thanks!
-- 
-Gary

[H] New laptop drive?

[Gary Udstrand]

Really two questions here.  First, I have a new laptop which came with a
160G drive.  Since I cannot add a second drive I am planning on replacing it
with a larger (hopefully faster) drive.  The Seagate Momentus 320G/7200RPM
would give me the space I need and it appears to be a very fast drive.  The
Hitachi and WD Scorpio also get decent reviews, any of these head shoulders
above the others or are they all about the same?

Secondly, I would like to avoid re-installing all my apps (again) and moving
data.  What is the best way to clone my current drive to the new drive?
xcopy?  Ghost?  Free alternatives?   I would like to be able to clone the
drive, and then simply pop it into the laptop and have it boot up and be
ready to go.  :-)   Oh, and I am running Windows XP Pro if it makes any
difference.

Thanks!
-- 
-Gary

Re: [H] Wireless N router

[Gary Udstrand]

I did look at it but even though it is dual band it operates only on or the
other, not at the same time.  And you have to manually select which band.  A
dual band that I considered was the DIR-855 and while it seemed fantastic I
am not sure it is worth the cost.  It is almost three times as expensive as
the DIR-655.   Is the performance and feature set worth the additional
cost?

http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=548

g

On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It's a very good router but also consider the  DGL-4500, you may not
> need/want dual band now but it's the future.
>
>
>
> ~Gary
>
> ---Original Message---
>
>
>
> From: Gary Udstrand
>
> Date: 13-Sep-2008 12:09:19 PM
>
> To: The Hardware List
>
> Subject: [H] Wireless N router
>
>
>
> Time to boost my wireless speeds and range. I have been looking at
>
> Replacing my wireless router with a new 802.11n router, and in particular
>
> The D-Link DIR-655 extreme N. It looks like a decent router but I have no
>
> Experience with D-Link stuff. Is this a decent router? Buy? Stay away?
>
> :-)
>
>
>
> I would also be looking for a mini-pci card, USB, or PCMCIA or ?. I would
>
> Prefer the mini-pci but I am open to other options. Any recommendations
>
> Would be welcoem! :-)
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
>
> -Gary
>



-- 
-Gary

[H] Wireless N router

[Gary Udstrand]

Time to boost my wireless speeds and range.   I have been looking at
replacing my wireless router with a new 802.11n router, and in particular
the D-Link DIR-655 extreme N.   It looks like a decent router but I have no
experience with D-Link stuff.  Is this a decent router?  Buy?  Stay away?
:-)

I would also be looking for a mini-pci card, USB, or PCMCIA or ?.  I would
prefer the mini-pci but I am open to other options.  Any recommendations
would be welcoem!  :-)

Thanks!
-- 
-Gary

[H] New Zune - need some cans

[Gary Udstrand]

It has been a long time since I have had an MP3 player.  A couple days ago I
stumbled across the new 2nd gen Zune (8GB), loved the look and the interface
so I bought it.  So far so good, the only issue is that I don't really like
the earbuds that come with the player.  I bought it fully anticipating
replacing the buds and want to do so ASAP.

Prior to the Zune I was using a pair of Sony MDR-7506 which, although they
sound great, are full size cans and it looks kind of silly hanging off a
small MP3 player (I have been using my laptop as my mp3 player).  Anyway, I
want to get a good pair of earbuds and thought I would ask the group.

I have been looking at the Ultimate Ears Super.Fi 3's ($65) or the Ultimate
Ears Super.i 5's ($170).  I have not been able to listen to either pair so I
have to rely on others opinions.  I am torn between the two, not sure if the
5's are worth the extra money.   Heck, I am not sure that either pair is
worth the price of admission.  I am hoping to utiltize the wisdom of the
collective, any ideas or opinions welcome.  :-)

Thanks!
-- 
-Gary

Re: [H] Capturing websites

[Gary Udstrand]

Try this:  http://www.httrack.com/

Works well and is free.
g

On 12/02/2008, Anthony Q. Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Anyone know of a tool (free is nice) to capture an entire website?
>
> Not interested in stealing, mind you. I just need to preserve the info
> there so that I can look at it after the website disappears.
>
> Doesn't Acrobat (not the reader) do that?
>
> Thanks.
>
>


-- 
-Gary

Re: [H] What gives?

[Gary Udstrand]

Pando it.

http://www.pando.com
g

On Jan 4, 2008 3:28 PM, DHSinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ben,
> Thanks.  Is there a better way?
> I was beginning to think so too. Perhaps I am expecting more of this 'new'
> xdsl world.
> I know that if I had somewhere to put the file (temp), and, just have my
> Bro go get it from there, it may work. But, that involves a whole bunch of
> other network minutia that I'm not ready to try and explain to the
> recipient.  I can kill the outbounds w/o malice.  Have already talked to
> Bro on the phone.  He knows the file name to search for.  Maybe that will
> work, and, I don't have to tie up the INet with 1 P2P useless BS via
> email.  I can handle this. Still looking at the home-20 settings.
> Excellent Point!  Well taken.  Still munching on it... :)
> Best,
> Duncan
>
> At 16:03 01/04/2008 -0500, you wrote:
> >That's a pretty big file to try to send through email.
> >
> >DHSinclair wrote:
> >>I am trying to send my Brother a dot-wmv (2374KB) via my xdsl
> connection.
> >>Eudora seems to slow down to a real 'crawl' processing the send!
> >>Maybe a Eudora tweak I need? Anyway, the eventual response I get is:
> >>, 1 message left to send. DATA (02:45:52PM) Error writing to
> >>network.
> >>Cause: connection reset by remote side (10054)
> >>Is this: Eudora?
> >>Is this: BellSouth?
> >>Is this: My BellSouth Modem?
> >>Is this: My Router?
> >>Is this: My network?
> >>Wondering in the rural badlands of GA :)
> >>Best,
> >>Duncan
>
>


-- 
-Gary

[H] Utility to hide directories and application icons

[Gary Udstrand]

I am looking for a utility that can hide directories (both application and
data) as well as hide the taskbar, quicklaunch and start menu entries for
applications.  Any recommendations?  Freeware is best but pay for ware is
fine too if it is the only/best alternative.

-- 
-Gary

Re: [H] Cable modem

[Gary Udstrand]

Thanks!  Mostly hoping to get rid of the rental fee.  :-)
g

On 9/14/07, Winterlight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Motorola ... I am using a SB5120 but I doubt if it will increase your
> speed, unless you upgrade your service to greater speed limits. Get
> one at CompUSA... usually with rebates
>
>
>
> At 08:31 AM 9/14/2007, you wrote:
> >We have a old dinosaur of a cable modem from Comcast on which we are
> >paying a rental fee.  I would rather buy one and get something newer
> >and hopefully faster.  Any recommendations?
> >
> >Thanks!
> >--
> >-Gary
>
>


-- 
-Gary

[H] Cable modem

[Gary Udstrand]

We have a old dinosaur of a cable modem from Comcast on which we are paying
a rental fee.  I would rather buy one and get something newer and hopefully
faster.  Any recommendations?

Thanks!
-- 
-Gary

Re: [H] New NAS?

[Gary Udstrand]

I just built a SATA RAID 5 NAS using NASlite.  Feel free to contact me off
list if you would like.
g

On 6/20/07, DHSinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Who was it that just built a NAS?
Believe it was with JBOD (or sata) and NASlite.
Wondering.
Would like to discuss off list.
Thank you.
Best,
Duncan


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--
-Gary

Re: [H] Gigabit switch and a thank you and now Jumbo Frames

[Gary Udstrand]

Someone else is telling me that I should get a switch and cards that support
Jumbo frames.  In reading a review about the Dell (which looks great in
every other regard) it does not support Jumbo Frames.   I will moving alot
of image and video files across this network to and from my two NAS boxes
and 4-5 PC's.

In looking at switches none have mentioned anything about Jumbo frames, is
this a feature that you only find on more expensive switches?  Or do most
Gigabit switches support this?

Do I have to have the correct Gigabit ethernet adapters to support Jumbo as
well?  One of my NAS's is a Buffalo Terastation Pro which already has
Gigabit ethernet and supports Jumbo Frames.  I would need adapters for the
other NAS (currently has 10/100) and the PC's.  I had decided on the Intel
nic's and this one in particular <
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833106123>.  How can I
tell if it supports Jumbo frames or is this a matter of concern only with
the switch?

Thanks!
g


On 6/7/07, Bryan Seitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 12:19:17PM -0500, Gary Udstrand wrote:
> This is for home use so I am looking at the 100-200 dollar range.  I am
not
> familiar with the difference between an unmanaged and a managed
switch.  Do I
> want/need a managed switch in a home environment?

Nope. The only place it CAN come in useful is if you have to set the
speed/duplex
on a specific port due to a device that won't autoneg properly.  For your
price range,
this is not a bad option:


http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=04&kc=6W300&l=en&oc=bccwgk1&s=bsd

If you would like to go cheaper:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122141

If you want managed for a decent price, this seems half decent but has
some complaints:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124046

--

Bryan G. Seitz





--
-Gary

Re: [H] Gigabit switch and a thank you

[Gary Udstrand]

This is for home use so I am looking at the 100-200 dollar range.  I am not
familiar with the difference between an unmanaged and a managed switch.  Do
I want/need a managed switch in a home environment?

The Dell sounds interesting and I will check it out.

Thanks
g

On 6/7/07, Ben Ruset <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Dell also has a 8 port web managed GB switch for ~$100. But, Dell
switches are rebranded DLinks. The chassis is metal and comes with rack
ears, though.

Bryan Seitz wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 09:33:47AM -0500, Gary Udstrand wrote:
>> I have finally gotten around to building my NAS and have it online
happily
>> storing my many gigabytes of files.  To maximize its use I want to
upgrade my
>> network to gigabit which means I need a switch and a couple cards.
There are
>> all the usual suspects, netgear, linksys, d-link, etc..  Are any of
them better
>> than the rest?   A 5 port switch would probably suffice but 8-10 ports
would be
>> prefered all things considered.  :-)
>
> The linksys should be solid, netgear as well.  I hate dlink but that is
personal :)
> Get whatever has the ports you need and is cheap.
>





--
-Gary

[H] Gigabit switch and a thank you

[Gary Udstrand]

I have finally gotten around to building my NAS and have it online happily
storing my many gigabytes of files.  To maximize its use I want to upgrade
my network to gigabit which means I need a switch and a couple cards.
There are all the usual suspects, netgear, linksys, d-link, etc..  Are any
of them better than the rest?   A 5 port switch would probably suffice but
8-10 ports would be prefered all things considered.  :-)

And I would be remiss if I did not take the time to say thanks to everyone
who guided me along the way to NAS nirvana.  :-)  I took an old PC, added
4x500M SATA drives, and LSI 150-4 true hardware RAID 5 controller and a
beefed up power supply and added NASLite-2 CDD and presto!  Instant NAS.
Fast, simple and cost effective and best of all 2TB of storage!
(Well, 1.5Treally after adding RAID 5 to the mix).  Again, thanks to
all who took the
time to answer my questions.  I appreciate it very much.  :-)

--
-Gary

Re: [Spam] Re: [H] SATA controller

[Gary Udstrand]

Thank you for the detailed comparison.  I think that I will just spring the
$20 for NASLite.  I am hoping to run it with 4x500G SATA drives in a RAID 5
configuration.  My concern has been finding a SATA card that will work with
either distro.   I thought I had found a card but it does not support RAID
5.  I am assuming that RAID 5 needs to be a part of the controller or will
NASLite handle that since it bypasses the bios?

Thanks
-Gary

On 4/26/07, CW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Here are the big advantages of NasLite over FreeNAS:

(1) Considerably, and I mean -CONSIDERABLY- faster data transfers.

How much faster?  Here's some Disc Wriggler scores:

---
Here's a snippet from my Diskwriggler tests using 500 HD frames under NFS.
NASLite v2 is twice as fast as Freenas. Results are consistant with Samba as
well.

Server Protocol Test Timing "+/-" (lower is better)

Naslite v2 NFS DW HD 500 Frames Write 78.58 Seconds
FreeNAS 0.64 NFS DW HD 500 Frames Write 181.51 Seconds +102.93

Naslite v2 NFS DW HD 500 Frames Read 66.44 Seconds
FreeNAS 0.64 NFS DW HD 500 Frames Read 147.22 Seconds+80.78



Naslite v2 Samba DW HD 500 Frames Write 180.42 Seconds
FreeNAS 0.64 Samba DW HD 500 Frames Write 342.14 Seconds +161.72

Naslite v2 Samba DW HD 500 Frames Read 66.44 Seconds
FreeNAS 0.64 Samba DW HD 500 Frames Read 394.53 Seconds +328.09

---

Another link look at it:
http://dan.bcapro.com/naspeed/index.htm


(2) way better UI to have easier web based management.

(3)   This is the MOST important one:  PORTABILITY.  NasLite totally
bypasses controller BIOS.  I have picked up 1TB out of a PC that was a POC
(Pentium II/400) which ran my NAS, and that machine shot crap.  I moved it
over to a Sempron 2500 Socket A, which is doing it now.  All of my data
stayed perfectly fine.

I tried this with FreeNAS once, I had a machine I had setup with 400GB,
and it shot craps.  moved the drive over.. and all of the data was
LOST.  This is because FreeNAS works more on BIOS level trickery then a
total bypass.. so your data is 100% portable on NasLite.  Now, before I get
comments of "hey, if it's crucial data, use better boxes.." that's true to a
point, if I lose everything on my NAS right now, I'd really only lose TV
shows.  So I wouldn't be destroyed.  Still, I wouldn't be happy.  If it was
something truly critical though, where I was investing a ton of money, I
would still want NASLite just for the fact that if I'm going to do something
where I want great read/write performance, I might as well shell the $20 for
the right software to do it.

I've played with a lot of NAS distros and firewalls with NAS attached, and
I haven't found any that handle as much hardware or run nearly as fast as
NASLite.





--
-Gary

Re: [H] SATA controller

[Gary Udstrand]

Silicon Image == SIIG?  Sorry to ask so many questions, I just want to make
sure I get the right thing.  How about this one?

http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=SC-SA4R12-S2-DT&cat=CCD

g

On 4/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Any silicon image 100% work with naslite


Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless

-Original Message-----
From: "Gary Udstrand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:14:30
To:"The Hardware List" 
Subject: Re: [H] SATA controller

Where did you find these $19.99 controllers? Do you know if they would
work with NASLite or FreeNAS?
g


On 4/23/07, Jin-Wei Tioh <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote:At 06:31 PM
4/23/2007, you wrote:
>Promise doesn't make great anything. I've had much better luck with
generic
>cards using Silicon Image chips.

Eh, their Ultra100 and Ultra133 controllers were okay. At least they
worked in pairs ;)

The generic Silicon Image SATA controllers are great though - shoved
in 4x 4-port
controllers ($19.99 cheapie generics) and they seem to be running
just fine together.
Great, cheap, effective solution for JBOD.

--
JW




--
-Gary






--
-Gary

Re: [H] SATA controller

[Gary Udstrand]

Where did you find these $19.99 controllers?  Do you know if they would work
with NASLite or FreeNAS?
g

On 4/23/07, Jin-Wei Tioh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


At 06:31 PM 4/23/2007, you wrote:
>Promise doesn't make great anything. I've had much better luck with
generic
>cards using Silicon Image chips.

Eh, their Ultra100 and Ultra133 controllers were okay. At least they
worked in pairs ;)

The generic Silicon Image SATA controllers are great though - shoved
in 4x 4-port
controllers ($19.99 cheapie generics) and they seem to be running
just fine together.
Great, cheap, effective solution for JBOD.

--
JW





--
-Gary

Re: [H] SATA controller

[Gary Udstrand]

I could be convinced to use NASLite.  :-)  What advantage does it offer over
FreeNAS?  Would its use make a difference on the SATA controller
recomendation?

BTW, thanks for the info!  I really appreciate it!

g

On 4/23/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Or a silicon image on a card I know works with freenas.  (Naslite is -so-
much better, but that's a different story)

Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless

-Original Message-----
From: "Gary Udstrand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:23:33
To:"The Hardware List" 
Subject: [H] SATA controller

I have a PC and 2x500G SATA drives, to which I plan to add another two,
that I want to build as a NAS Server (FreeNAS). The PC does not have a SATA
controller so I will need to add one, any recommendations?

Thanks
--
-Gary






--
-Gary

[H] SATA controller

[Gary Udstrand]

I have a PC and 2x500G SATA drives, to which I plan to add another two, that
I want to build as a NAS Server (FreeNAS). The PC does not have a SATA
controller so I will need to add one, any recommendations?

Thanks
--
-Gary

Re: [H] Apple iPhone announced today

[Gary Udstrand]

I would be concerned about that screen.  The thing looks like one big
unprotected LCD panel

g

On 1/9/07, Brian Weeden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Check out the Quick Tours here:

http://www.apple.com/iphone/

The only concerns I have are that it is Cingular only and I do not
trust Cingular.  If it can be unlocked, used with any GSM service,
plays xvid, and has user customizable widgets that they will have a
winner.

On 1/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't know, I have no interest at all. I have an mp3 player. I don't
need a phone that is one...  Does the iPhone connect to exchange?  Does the
iPhone offer me easy access to documents and dongled network connectivity
for a laptop?  Does handle imap or pop3?
>
> My wife had the razer, then the sony full format phone with mp3 etc.  In
the end we both switched to camera less, mp3 less, simple RIMs. Because the
reality is, the thing we want a phone to do most - communicate - they do
better then anything I've found (and yes, I briefly tried the cingular 8125
wince 2005 device and man, talk about overblown bulky junk)
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Brian Weeden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 19:32:01
> To:hwg 
> Subject: [H] Apple iPhone announced today
>
> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070109-8583.html
>
> Dear God that is one sexy piece of high tech hotness.  I don't know if
> I can wait until June.
>
> Sucks to be any other cell phone maker (or Verizon) today - you just
> saw everything you have become obsolete.
>
> --
> Brian
>
>


--
Brian





--
-Gary

Re: [H] Here comes the terabyte hard drive

[Gary Udstrand]

I have almost a TB of digital photos backed up on external drives and a TB
NAS RAID array.  And my catalog continues to grow ~150-200G a year.   My
oldest son is just getting into video, I imagine that will take up even more
space!

-Gary

On 1/5/07, Greg Sevart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Is there really 1.0TB of home user data that needs to be backed up? I run
nightly backups on my machine. Out of over 4TB, there's only about 15GB
that
I consider essential enough to back up.

On the commercial side, the problem already exists with storage arrays of
multiple TB or more. High-dollar LTO-3 autoloaders can resolve the backup
situation there.

Greg

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dhs
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 4:56 PM
> To: The Hardware List
> Subject: Re: [H] Here comes the terabyte hard drive
>
>
> Nice news! But, has anybody thought about backup apps for HD's this big?
> If I had a drive of 1TB, it would take me about a week to do a backup
with
a
> dual P3-1Gz server!! LOL!!
>
> I'll wait for Seagate, although I've had very good service from the
Hitachi replacement
> drives in my server.  I do like the 7Kx series of HDs from Hitachi.
> Maybe 'old' IBM drives, but, they are still very strong HDs.
> Best,
> Duncan
>
> On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:36 , Winterlight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
sent:
>
> >
> >http://news.com.com/Here+comes+the+terabyte+hard+drive/2100-1041-
> 6147409.html?part=dht&tag=nl.e703
> >
> >Last year, Hitachi Global Storage Technologies predicted hard-drive
> >companies would announce 1 terabyte drives by the end of 2006.
> >Hitachi was only off by a few days.
> >
> >The company said on Thursday that it will come out with a
> >3.5-inch-diameter 1 terabyte drive for desktops in the first quarter,
> >then follow up in the second quarter with 3.5-inch terabyte drives
> >for digital video recorders, bundled with software called
> >Audio-Visual Storage Manager for easier retrieval of data, and
> >corporate storage systems.
> >
> >The Deskstar 7K1000 will cost $399 when it comes out. That comes to
> >about 40 cents a gigabyte. Hitachi will also come out with a similar
> >750GB drive. Rival Seagate Technology will come out with a 1 terabyte
> >drive in the first half of 2007.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> This email scanned for Viruses and Spam by ZCloud.net







--
-Gary

[H] Socket 939 and AMD X2

[Gary Udstrand]

I have an older socket 939 PC that I would like to install a dual core CPU.
Of course the 939 chips are being fazed out and there are slim pickings
about, however I found this one at NewEgg:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103627

It is a Toledo core but it has only 2x512 L2 cache which is half of a normal
Toledo.  How much of an effect would the smaller cache have on performance?
Is this a good chip or should I look elsewhere?

I asked a similar question some months ago and at the time the
recommendation was the Opteron 165 Denmark.  Are the Opterons still the way
to go?

Thanks!
--
-Gary

Re: [H] Parsing text files with Findstr

[Gary Udstrand]

Try this^(?=.*?\A7 Seek_Error_Rate\s)(?=.*?\b[1-9a-zA-Z]\s*$).*$gOn 11/2/06, Thane Sherrington <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:At 10:59 AM 02/11/2006, Gary Udstrand wrote:>I assume this is always a number and you want to know if it is not zero.
>>\b[1-9]\s*$Ok, thanks.  If this line is in a larger block of text, how can Ifind this line (assuming it always starts with 7 Seek_Error_Rate) ifthe final character is non-zero?T
>If it can be alpha as well>>\b[1-9a-zA-Z]\s*$>>-g>>On 11/2/06, Thane Sherrington><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>Anyone know a way to use Findstr to parse a line like this:>>7>Seek_Error_Rate 0x000b   200   200   051Pre-fail  Always>   -   0
>>And tell if the final number is non-zero?>>If I use findstr /r "0$" it finds the last number as zero, but I>don't know regex well enough to work out not zero.>>T
>>>>>-->-Gary-- -Gary

Re: [H] Parsing text files with Findstr

[Gary Udstrand]

I assume this is always a number and you want to know if it is not zero.\b[1-9]\s*$If it can be alpha as well\b[1-9a-zA-Z]\s*$-gOn 11/2/06, 
Thane Sherrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Anyone know a way to use Findstr to parse a line like this:7Seek_Error_Rate 0x000b   200   200   051Pre-fail  Always  -   0And tell if the final number is non-zero?If I use findstr /r "0$" it finds the last number as zero, but I
don't know regex well enough to work out not zero.T-- -Gary

Re: [H] Slow PC...

[Gary Udstrand]

On 10/19/06, Julian Zottl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
First and for most, get more RAM.  256MB is barely usable.Take a look in Programs -> Startup and eleminate anything that doesn't belong.Open up regeditbackup his entire registrylook at the following places and elminate anything not needed:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunHKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnceHKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunHKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnce
That should help :)_Julian ZottlCTO, Radiant Network Technology, LLCGetting ahead in the tech sector isn't about kissing butt ... you gotta sniff the right packets
The best utility for eliminating start up programs that are not wanted/needed is Startup Control Panel.http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml
To prevent unwanted programs from re-appearing you can monitor with Startup Monitorhttp://www.mlin.net/StartupMonitor.shtml-- 
-Gary

Re: [H] -N- AMD Expected to announce Acquire of ATI Monday

[Gary Udstrand]

Well, since NVidia makes only the chipsets I am not sure why it matters
how much either of them make.  If NVidia's chipset is profitable they
will continue to make them.  I don't know of many businesses that
dispense with their bottom line only to prevent someone else from making
a buck.

-Gary

Thane Sherrington said the following on 7/24/2006 7:20 PM:
> At 08:55 PM 24/07/2006, Gary Udstrand wrote:
>
>> No way, NVidia won't walk away from supporting AMD with their chipset as
>> long as they are making money.
>
> Perhaps.  But who makes more money from an AMD motherboard, the
> chipset maker or the CPU manufacturer?
>
> T

Re: [H] -N- AMD Expected to announce Acquire of ATI Monday

[Gary Udstrand]

No way, NVidia won't walk away from supporting AMD with their chipset as
long as they are making money.

-Gary

Thane Sherrington said the following on 7/24/2006 8:11 AM:
>  I can see NVidia dropping AMD (which sucks for those of use with
> their crappy NForce chipset drivers) and focussing completely on
> Intel.  Imagine what NVidia could do if they turned their full
> attention to Intel's chipset.  That plus the Core 2 is going to put
> AMD in a bind, I think.
>
> T

Re: [H] NAS and linux

[Gary Udstrand]

Hearing that I am hopeful that my Soyo boards will be as accomodating.  :-)

-Gary

Ben Ruset said the following on 6/22/2006 3:46 PM:
> All of my Dells (even my cheap ass Dimension 3000's) will boot with no
> kbd/mouse/video attached.
>
> j m g wrote:
>> might depend on the motherboard bios but i've got an old dell dual xeon
>> workstation that has had both win2k3 and freebsd installed running w/o
>> keyboard, mouse, even pulled the video card to use in an emergency,
>> still
>> haven't put it back in yet I can rdp in no problem
>>
>> On 6/22/06, Gary Udstrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks everyone!  NasLite was the one I was looking for but FreeNas
>>> seems like it might be a better fit for me since it has an http
>>> console.  I am not sure that NasLite does.   Either way they both look
>>> like great solutions.  :-)
>>>
>>> One last thing, I have not run a PC headless for quite some time.  In
>>> the past we had to fit a null video loop and keyboard stuff to get the
>>> systems to boot.  Is this still the case or will I be able to remove
>>> the
>>> keyboard/monitor once these are set up?
>>>
>>> Thanks again
>>> -Gary
>>>
>>> Ben Ruset said the following on 6/22/2006 12:23 PM:
>>> > http://www.openfiler.com/
>>> > http://freshmeat.net/projects/naslite/
>>> > http://freshmeat.net/projects/freenas/
>>> >
>>> > Gary Udstrand wrote:
>>> >> Some time ago there was some talk on this list about a linux based
>>> >> project that would create a simple NAS solution from a PC.  For the
>>> life
>>> >> of me I cannot remember the name of the project nor can I find it
>>> via
>>> >> Google.  I have a couple of PC's that I would like to convert
>>> into NAS
>>> >> devices.  Ideally these could be headless and be configurable via
>>> telnet
>>> >> or http.   Am I dreaming or does such a thing exist?
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks
>>> >> -Gary
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [H] NAS and linux

[Gary Udstrand]

Thanks for the info! 

-Gary

j m g said the following on 6/22/2006 2:13 PM:
> might depend on the motherboard bios but i've got an old dell dual
> xeon workstation that has had both win2k3 and freebsd installed
> running w/o keyboard, mouse, even pulled the video card to use in an
> emergency, still haven't put it back in yet I can rdp in no problem
>
> On 6/22/06, *Gary Udstrand* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> Thanks everyone!  NasLite was the one I was looking for but FreeNas
> seems like it might be a better fit for me since it has an http
> console.  I am not sure that NasLite does.   Either way they both look
> like great solutions.  :-)
>
> One last thing, I have not run a PC headless for quite some time.  In
> the past we had to fit a null video loop and keyboard stuff to get the
> systems to boot.  Is this still the case or will I be able to
> remove the
> keyboard/monitor once these are set up?
>
> Thanks again
> -Gary
>
> Ben Ruset said the following on 6/22/2006 12:23 PM:
> > http://www.openfiler.com/
> > http://freshmeat.net/projects/naslite/
> > http://freshmeat.net/projects/freenas/
> >
> > Gary Udstrand wrote:
> >> Some time ago there was some talk on this list about a linux based
> >> project that would create a simple NAS solution from a PC.  For
> the life
> >> of me I cannot remember the name of the project nor can I find
> it via
> >> Google.  I have a couple of PC's that I would like to convert
> into NAS
> >> devices.  Ideally these could be headless and be configurable
> via telnet
> >> or http.   Am I dreaming or does such a thing exist?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> -Gary
> >>
> >
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> -jmg
> -sapere aude 

Re: [H] NAS and linux

[Gary Udstrand]

Thank you, this is good to know. :-)

-Gary

Jin-Wei Tioh said the following on 6/22/2006 7:28 PM:
> At 01:59 PM 6/22/2006, you wrote:
>> Thanks everyone!  NasLite was the one I was looking for but FreeNas
>> seems like it might be a better fit for me since it has an http
>> console.  I am not sure that NasLite does.   Either way they both look
>> like great solutions.  :-)
>>
>> One last thing, I have not run a PC headless for quite some time.  In
>> the past we had to fit a null video loop and keyboard stuff to get the
>> systems to boot.  Is this still the case or will I be able to remove the
>> keyboard/monitor once these are set up?
>>
>> Thanks again
>> -Gary
>
> Hello Gary,
>
> Only some vid cards are fussy about not having a display connected
> (eg. S3 Virge GX/2).
> Most of them (TNT, TNT2, ATIs, older Matroxes, GFs, etc.) run just
> fine headless.
> For the KB, just set the BIOS option to "Ignore all errors"
>
> Been running my own NAS of sorts (as well as torrent/ripping/encoding
> machine) this way
> using UltraVNC for the past couple of years. WindowsXP-based though :P
>
> -- 
> JW
>

Re: [H] NAS and linux

[Gary Udstrand]

freebsd works for me.I used BSD for quite some time before Linux
came on the scene.  Now I find myself using Linux as a generic term for
open source unix OS's.  ;-)   I prefer BSD (might be a heretic!) so
freenas is very appealing to me.

-Gary

j m g said the following on 6/22/2006 12:15 PM:
> freenas.org <http://freenas.org> - based on freebsd not linux though
>
> On 6/22/06, *Gary Udstrand* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> Some time ago there was some talk on this list about a linux based
> project that would create a simple NAS solution from a PC.  For
> the life
> of me I cannot remember the name of the project nor can I find it via
> Google.  I have a couple of PC's that I would like to convert into NAS
> devices.  Ideally these could be headless and be configurable via
> telnet
> or http.   Am I dreaming or does such a thing exist?
>
> Thanks
> -Gary
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> -jmg
> -sapere aude 

Re: [H] NAS and linux

[Gary Udstrand]

Glad to hear that.   Was it difficult to get setup and running?  Is it
reliable once it is up and running?  I am planning on putting a couple
of NAS at a remote site to back up my photo library and am hoping that
these will work on auto pilot for the most part.  :-)  

Thanks!
-Gary


Julian Zottl said the following on 6/22/2006 1:46 PM:
> I have a large array at home that I am using FreeNAS on.  Been working great 
> for the last few months!
> _
> Julian Zottl
> CTO, Radiant Network Technology, LLC
> Getting ahead in the tech sector isn't about kissing butt ... you gotta sniff 
> the right packets
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chris Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],The Hardware List 
> Date:  Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:35:57 + GMT
>
>   
>> www.naslite.com
>>
>>
>> Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Gary Udstrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:13:21 
>> To:The Hardware List 
>> Subject: [H] NAS and linux
>>
>> Some time ago there was some talk on this list about a linux based
>> project that would create a simple NAS solution from a PC.  For the life
>> of me I cannot remember the name of the project nor can I find it via
>> Google.  I have a couple of PC's that I would like to convert into NAS
>> devices.  Ideally these could be headless and be configurable via telnet
>> or http.   Am I dreaming or does such a thing exist?
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Gary
>>
>> 
>
>   

Re: [H] NAS and linux

[Gary Udstrand]

Thanks Chris, that's the one.  :-)

-Gary

Chris Reeves said the following on 6/22/2006 12:35 PM:
> www.naslite.com
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Gary Udstrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:13:21 
> To:The Hardware List 
> Subject: [H] NAS and linux
>
> Some time ago there was some talk on this list about a linux based
> project that would create a simple NAS solution from a PC.  For the life
> of me I cannot remember the name of the project nor can I find it via
> Google.  I have a couple of PC's that I would like to convert into NAS
> devices.  Ideally these could be headless and be configurable via telnet
> or http.   Am I dreaming or does such a thing exist?
>
> Thanks
> -Gary
>
>   

Re: [H] NAS and linux

[Gary Udstrand]

Thanks everyone!  NasLite was the one I was looking for but FreeNas
seems like it might be a better fit for me since it has an http
console.  I am not sure that NasLite does.   Either way they both look
like great solutions.  :-)

One last thing, I have not run a PC headless for quite some time.  In
the past we had to fit a null video loop and keyboard stuff to get the
systems to boot.  Is this still the case or will I be able to remove the
keyboard/monitor once these are set up?

Thanks again
-Gary

Ben Ruset said the following on 6/22/2006 12:23 PM:
> http://www.openfiler.com/
> http://freshmeat.net/projects/naslite/
> http://freshmeat.net/projects/freenas/
>
> Gary Udstrand wrote:
>> Some time ago there was some talk on this list about a linux based
>> project that would create a simple NAS solution from a PC.  For the life
>> of me I cannot remember the name of the project nor can I find it via
>> Google.  I have a couple of PC's that I would like to convert into NAS
>> devices.  Ideally these could be headless and be configurable via telnet
>> or http.   Am I dreaming or does such a thing exist?
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Gary
>>
>

[H] NAS and linux

[Gary Udstrand]

Some time ago there was some talk on this list about a linux based
project that would create a simple NAS solution from a PC.  For the life
of me I cannot remember the name of the project nor can I find it via
Google.  I have a couple of PC's that I would like to convert into NAS
devices.  Ideally these could be headless and be configurable via telnet
or http.   Am I dreaming or does such a thing exist?

Thanks
-Gary

Re: [H] MS releases 8 new critical updates for XP SP2

[Gary Udstrand]

My deepest condolences to you and your family.

-Gary

Harvey Best said the following on 6/15/2006 4:39 PM:
> Thanks for the link. It will be a couple of days before I can try it.
> My brother passed away unexpectedly this morning. leaving a wife and 2
> young children. I always appreciate how this site helps me when I need it.
>  
> Take care, Harvey
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> > Subject: RE: Re: [H] MS releases 8 new critical updates for XP SP2
> > Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:41:25 -0400
> >
> >
> http://www.download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/cabpool/windowsxp-kb905474-enu-x86_4bafa8793e8cdcaf4ba4ffc494df32d496154544.exe
> >
> >
> Try this latest version of the tool. Download and install directly from the 
> > link.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Harvey Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: The Hardware List 
> > >To: "The Hardware List" 
> > >Subject: RE: Re: [H] MS releases 8 new critical updates for XP SP2
> > >Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:00:37 -0400
> > >
> >
> >Well, went to the site listed. It verified that my Xp was indeed valid. 
> >
> >(Which I already knew). But after a reboot, Windows Update still shows it 
> >
> >as a failed install. So, I guess, I will have to wait and see if it starts 
> >
> >blocking me from some updates or patches. So far its not nagging me about 
> > >it, but I bet it will eventually.
> > >
> > >Thanks, Harvey
> > >
> > >
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com> 
> >
> >Subject: RE: Re: [H] MS releases 8 new critical updates for XP SP2> Date: 
> >
> >Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:39:49 -0400> > Go to www.microsoft.com/genuine and it 
> >
> >will automatically install the tool > or at least verify the install and 
> >
> >you wont get nagged again.> > > >From: "Harvey Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
> > > >Reply-To: The Hardware List > >To: "The 
> > >Hardware List" > >Subject: RE: Re: [H] MS 
> > >releases 8 new critical updates for XP SP2> >Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 
> > >12:42:29 -0400> >> >I have been reading the List about the WGA. When I 
> >
> >booted up this AM, got > >the notification of 9 updates. One wsa the WGA 
> >
> >"tool". Now the intersting > >part, the WGA keeps failing on install. I 
> >
> >have purposely tried 3 times to > >install and it keeps failing. While I am 
> > >glad it's not installed (so I > >won't have to go to the trouble of 
> >
> >uninstalling it), I am wondering what is > >keeping if from installing. 
> >
> >Running XP Home, with Zone Alarm Pro.It makes > >it even more interesting 
> >
> >that MS is so keen on having it installed, but > >something (good or bad) 
> >
> >is keeping it from installing. I clicked on MS help > >about it (the X next 
> > >to the install failure) but nothing comes up.> >> >Just wondering, any 
> >
> >ideas?> >> >Harvey> >> >> >> > > Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 01:08:18 -0500> 
> >
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: > >hardware@hardwaregroup.com> Subject: Re: 
> >
> >[H] MS releases 8 new critical > >updates for XP SP2> > Yeah, I'd like some 
> >
> >info on this also if I should > >happen to encounter > it. I requested to 
> >
> >be emailed off list but then about > >50 other people > did also... Could 
> > >someone back channel this solution to > >me? Thanks.>> 
> > > >_> 
> >
> > >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE!> 
> > > >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/> >
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> >
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> 

Re: [H] Sweet spot for a AMD 64 x2

[Gary Udstrand]

I should have said, I have an existing PC with a socket 939.  I am
looking strictly at the AMD's.  :-)

-Gary

Jin-Wei Tioh said the following on 5/25/2006 1:24 PM:
> At 10:46 AM 5/25/2006, you wrote:
>> I am planning on upgrading my PC to a new dual core CPU.  Which CPU is
>> the has the best price/performance ratio at this time?
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Gary
>
> Hello Gary,
>
> Some folks seem to like the Pentium D 805 since it runs 2.66GHz @ 533
> FSB.
> Most people can hit 3.5 - 3.7 on air, as high as 4.2 on water - quite
> a nice deal for ~$130.
>
> That said, it is a Smithfield and puts out quite a bit of heat. Also
> have to watch out for
> thermal throttling.
>
> HTH
>
> Best regards.

[H] Sweet spot for a AMD 64 x2

[Gary Udstrand]

I am planning on upgrading my PC to a new dual core CPU.  Which CPU is
the has the best price/performance ratio at this time?

Thanks
-Gary

[H] Buffalo Terastation

[Gary Udstrand]

Being a photographer I have a need for lots of storage space.  I
currently have 500 Gigs in my PC and am close to running out.  Instead
of adding more drives I was thinking about purchasing a Buffalo
Terastation, seems like pretty good RAID storage for a decent price. 
Does anyone have any experience with these?  Are they decent units?  
Should I be looking at something else?

Thanks!

-- 
Gary

Re: [H] Cable modems....

[Gary Udstrand]

Thanks.  Did this cable modem do anything to improve latency by any chance?

Gary



Chris Reeves said the following on 3/29/2006 7:02 AM:
> Yep.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Udstrand
> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 12:33 AM
> To: The Hardware List
> Subject: Re: [H] Cable modems
>
> Is this the one?
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16825112104
>
> Gary
>
>
>
> Chris Reeves said the following on 3/28/2006 9:09 AM:
>   
>> I've had very good luck with the D-Link higher series.  I'll say this: I
>> absolutely doubled my bandwidth after switching.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 8:44 AM
>> To: 'The Hardware List'
>> Subject: RE: [H] Cable modems
>>
>> Thanks!  I'll look into those.
>>
>> Bobby
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hayes Elkins
>> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 5:04 PM
>> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
>> Subject: RE: [H] Cable modems
>>
>>
>> Ouch!
>>
>> Motorola Surfboards are considered the best, and have released a new 
>> generation line this past year.
>>
>>
>>   
>> 
>>> From: "Bobby Heid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], The Hardware List 
>>> 
>>> To: "'The Hardware List'" 
>>> Subject: [H] Cable modems
>>> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:14:02 -0500
>>>
>>> I just saw an ad for a cable modem and go to thinking.  I rent a modem
>>>   
> from
>   
>>> RR.  Seeing as how I have been with them for about 6 years or so, I have
>>> spent about $300-400 in rent over the years ($5/month).
>>>
>>> Does any one know, or can point me in the right direction, which modems
>>>   
> are
>   
>>> considered best?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bobby
>>>
>>> 
>>>   
>>
>>   
>> 
>
>   

Re: [H] Cable modems....

[Gary Udstrand]

Is this the one?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16825112104

Gary



Chris Reeves said the following on 3/28/2006 9:09 AM:
> I've had very good luck with the D-Link higher series.  I'll say this: I
> absolutely doubled my bandwidth after switching.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 8:44 AM
> To: 'The Hardware List'
> Subject: RE: [H] Cable modems
>
> Thanks!  I'll look into those.
>
> Bobby
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hayes Elkins
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 5:04 PM
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: RE: [H] Cable modems
>
>
> Ouch!
>
> Motorola Surfboards are considered the best, and have released a new 
> generation line this past year.
>
>
>   
>> From: "Bobby Heid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], The Hardware List 
>> 
>> To: "'The Hardware List'" 
>> Subject: [H] Cable modems
>> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:14:02 -0500
>>
>> I just saw an ad for a cable modem and go to thinking.  I rent a modem from
>> RR.  Seeing as how I have been with them for about 6 years or so, I have
>> spent about $300-400 in rent over the years ($5/month).
>>
>> Does any one know, or can point me in the right direction, which modems are
>> considered best?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bobby
>>
>> 
>
>
>
>   

Re: [H] OT - Women's olympic hockey

[Gary Udstrand]

I dawned on me after I posted my question.;-)

Gary



Brian Weeden said the following on 2/17/2006 2:42 PM:
> On 2/17/06, Gary Udstrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Just found out on the web
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> 
>
> I didn't want to spoil it for the US people on the list who (might)
> watch it tonight.
>
> --
> Brian
>
>   

Re: [H] OT - Women's olympic hockey

[Gary Udstrand]

Just found out on the web  

Gary



Gary Udstrand said the following on 2/17/2006 1:59 PM:
> Who won?   I was watching it on Universal HighDef but had to take the
> wife shopping.  I got back and the game was over.  :-(
>
> Gary
>
>
>
> Brian Weeden said the following on 2/17/2006 12:51 PM:
>   
>> Just finshed watching a GREAT game beween the USA women's team and
>> Sweden.  Went through an overtime period and finished up on penalty
>> shots.  Better than any NHL game I have seen this year :)
>>
>> Of course I had to watch it on CBC since NBC is doing its normal piss
>> poor job of coverage.  It will probably be on at like 10pm tonight and
>> sectioned off into "human interest stories" and lots of sappy
>> commentary.
>>
>> --
>> Brian
>>
>>   
>> 
>
>   

Re: [H] OT - Women's olympic hockey

[Gary Udstrand]

Who won?   I was watching it on Universal HighDef but had to take the
wife shopping.  I got back and the game was over.  :-(

Gary



Brian Weeden said the following on 2/17/2006 12:51 PM:
> Just finshed watching a GREAT game beween the USA women's team and
> Sweden.  Went through an overtime period and finished up on penalty
> shots.  Better than any NHL game I have seen this year :)
>
> Of course I had to watch it on CBC since NBC is doing its normal piss
> poor job of coverage.  It will probably be on at like 10pm tonight and
> sectioned off into "human interest stories" and lots of sappy
> commentary.
>
> --
> Brian
>
>   

Re: [H] Looking for a tech site?

[Gary Udstrand]

I think you are looking for http://www.blackviper.com, unfortunately the 
site is not available at this time. 


"*Saturday, September 17, 2005 @ 5:58 AM PST*
I will be shutting down the web site again on September 21, 2005 while I 
get ready to move to Northern California. The domain will be up again as 
soon as possible."


Gary



lopaka said the following on 11/17/2005 9:57 PM:
Whats the url of that site that lists which services can be disabled 
and removed to cut down the bloat in XP, etc? I believe I first saw it 
on the list quite a while back. TIA


lopaka

Re: [H] secret codes ?

[Gary Udstrand]

BTK was caught because he used Microsoft Word and forgot (or didn't
know) that the file properties contained a reference to the church and
to him.  This is not really a tracing mechanism in the same sense.

Gary



Francisco Tapia said the following on 10/19/2005 12:19 PM:

> Why is this news?  This has been around for quite some time... it's a
> good thing for helping to track down counterfiters... Think about it
> if not for tracing mechanisims like this and similar codes used on
> media (floppy disks) they might never have caught BTK.
>
>
>
> On 10/19/05, *Bobby Heid* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>
> I think this is just for the color ones.  What they do is print single
> yellow dots, not usually visible except under close scrutiny or
> under blue
> light.
>
> Bobby
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ] On Behalf Of JRS
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 10:32 AM
> To: The Hardware List
> Subject: Re: [H] secret codes ?
>
>
>
> Sadly, too true...   I read where they broke the Xerox code, but
> not HP's
> or other vendors yet.
>
> They can indeed track the make/model and serial number of whatever
> printer
> printed a particular page.  So much for privacy, huh??  :(
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> >>http://www.news24.com/News24/Technology/News/0,,2-13-1443_1819331,00.html
> 
> 
> >>
> >>is this BS or fact
> >>fp
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>Tallyho ! ]:8)
> >>Taglines below !
> --
>
> JRS   < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> Please remove  **X**  to reply...
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> -Francisco
> http://pcthis.blogspot.com |PC news with out the jargon!
> http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...

Re: [H] Firefox 1.0.7 questions

[Gary Udstrand]

I replaced session saver with the feature in Tab Mix plus.   TMP is my
favorite extension.  :-)

Gary



warpmedia said the following on 10/15/2005 2:33 AM:

> Nice, thanks for the tip! Had been using TP.
>
> Wonder if restore session confilcts with and/or replaces SessionSaver
> v.2's functionality?
>
> Gary Udstrand wrote:
>
>> Instead of Tabbrowser prefs install Tab Mix Plus.  It does most
>> everything that TP does and a lot of things that it does not, including
>> adding the ability to drag tabs into position.
>>

Re: [H] Firefox 1.0.7 questions

[Gary Udstrand]

Instead of Tabbrowser prefs install Tab Mix Plus.  It does most
everything that TP does and a lot of things that it does not, including
adding the ability to drag tabs into position.

Gary



Brian Weeden said the following on 10/14/2005 11:35 PM:

>On 10/14/05, Winterlight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>In Opera every tab has a X, so to close it I only have to click the X, just
>>like a window. But in Firefox I have to use the right click context menu to
>>close a tab... is there a faster way?
>>
>>
>
>Try tabbrowser preferences extension.
>
>  
>
>>In Opera I can just drag tabs to the position I want them, but in Firefox
>>the tabs are fixed?
>>
>>
>
>The version of Firefox in beta has this feature (Deer Park  Beta 2).
>
>  
>
>>In Opera, I really miss this, I can right click on a page and using the
>>context menu set a reload time period...defaults start at 15 seconds up to
>>30 minutes but I can also setup whatever time I want ... or even tell it to
>>reload if the server requests it. Is there a way to do this with Firefox?
>>
>>
>
>I don't know if you can set a specific time to refresh but I think the
>Live Bookmarks feature might work.
>
>  
>
>>Any special extensions I should consider installing?
>>
>>
>
>What I have currently installed:
>
>ForecastFox
>Adblock
>Adblock Filterset Updater
>Flashblock
>Flashgot
>NoScript
>Googlebar
>gTranslate
>MediaPlayerConnectivity
>Tabbrowser Preferences
>Download Statusbar
>Dictionary Tooltip
>All-In-One Sidebar
>
>--
>Brian
>
>  
>

Re: [H] Chris >> Lightscribe

[Gary Udstrand]

Thanks, I had seen that one.  I thought there might be a BenQ version of
the drive available as well that was cheaper.  Always looking to save a
few bucks...  :-)

Gary



Winterlight said the following on 10/3/2005 12:26 PM:

> At 10:16 AM 10/3/2005, you wrote:
>
>> At 10:04 AM 10/3/2005, you wrote:
>>
>>> Do you have a SKU?  I searched on BenQ and Lightscribe and it only found
>>> two internal drives.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>
>>
>> Here is a HP external on sale
>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827140012
>
>
> If you scroll down to specifications under features you will see
>
> *Features
> Features* 4X DVD-R Dual Write, and With LightScribe Techonology

Re: [H] Chris >> Lightscribe

[Gary Udstrand]

Do you have a SKU?  I searched on BenQ and Lightscribe and it only found
two internal drives.

Gary



Winterlight said the following on 10/3/2005 11:15 AM:

> At 06:45 AM 10/3/2005, you wrote:
>
>> Does BenQ make an external drive?  I searched NewEgg and came up
>> blank...
>>
>> Gary
>
>
> yes, Newegg has them in both USB2 and Firewire but they are very
> expensive. I am planning on getting a black external and putting it in
> a 5.5 external inclosure that I have here.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Chris Reeves said the following on 10/2/2005 3:36 PM:
>>
>> >The HPs are largely rebranded BenQs.  You can buy BenQ drives
>> cheaper.  BTW,
>> >once you get them, you'll need the LightScribe Host software, Nero
>> keeps
>> >theirs easy to download and most currently updated.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> >--
>> >FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM!
>> >Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter
>> >http://mail.giantcompany.com
>> >
>> >-Original Message-
>> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Winterlight
>> >Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 3:22 PM
>> >To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
>> >Subject: [H] Chris >> Lightscribe
>> >
>> >I want to buy a light scribe burner. I see HP has them, and
>> Light on
>> >has them. what should I buy?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>
>

Re: [H] Chris >> Lightscribe

[Gary Udstrand]

Does BenQ make an external drive?  I searched NewEgg and came up blank...

Gary



Chris Reeves said the following on 10/2/2005 3:36 PM:

>The HPs are largely rebranded BenQs.  You can buy BenQ drives cheaper.  BTW,
>once you get them, you'll need the LightScribe Host software, Nero keeps
>theirs easy to download and most currently updated.
>
>
>
>
>--
>FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM!
>Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter
>http://mail.giantcompany.com
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Winterlight
>Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 3:22 PM
>To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
>Subject: [H] Chris >> Lightscribe
>
>I want to buy a light scribe burner. I see HP has them, and Light on 
>has them. what should I buy?
>
>
>  
>

Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina

[Gary Udstrand]

Am I missing something?  You expected the ships to be sitting just
outside of NO, prior to a Hurricane hitting the area?  What do you think
would happen to the ships?  I would expect they would be large piles of
steel and rubble along with everything else that was in the wake of Katrina.

-Gary



Analyst said the following on 9/1/2005 9:38 PM:

>I was done with this thread, but since this was sent directly at me...
>
>
>On 1 Sep 2005 at 17:40, jeff.lane wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Vince,
>>
>>In keeping with your thought of "pre-positioning ship"
>>
>>
>
>It wasn't my "thought". It was part of a plan that FEMA had laid out under the 
>previous administration, part of 'Project Impact', which this administration 
>killed.
>
>
>
>  
>
>>my question would be just where in the hell would you "pre-position"
>>those ships with a wiggling cat 5 hurricane, 250 mile
>>diameter(conservatively), headed somewhere in the direction of NO. 
>>
>>
>
>Well, since the intention of the ships with the massive pumping stations was 
>to pump the water out from behind the levees surrounding New Orleans, if it 
>was hit, then quite 
>obviously they would be pre-positioned right off the coast of New Orleans, eh ?
>
>
>
>  
>
>>But please throw into the mix the fact that the storm could have turned
>>north, at any time, toward the Florida Panhandle. 
>>
>>
>
>Then they would not have been needed, would they ?
>
>
>
>  
>
>>I have been reading this thread from the beginning and, for one, am
>>tired of hearing the garbage and agenda you are peddling.
>>
>>
>
>Just the facts.
>
>If you can't handle the truth, don't read my posts.
>
>
>
>  
>
>>We have people dying down there(maybe into the tens of thousands after
>>all is said and done). I can hear enough crap and political innuendos
>>on CNN(THE Communist News Network) network. 
>>
>>
>
>And just who is holding a gun to your head, forcing you to watch CNN ?
>
>
>
>  
>
>>I wonder how much comfort the folks on roofs would take from your
>>statements. 
>>
>>
>
>How much comfort are the Bushies providing, three days late ?
>
>
>
>  
>
>>I hope someone save this kind of stuff so the survivors can see how
>>some of these people supported them. Thank God there were few of these
>>types around after Pearl Harbor or we would be flying Swastikas and
>>meatballs on our flag poles...and you think we have
>>troubles now..but that's probably before your time. 
>>
>>
>
>Non sequitur ?
>
>
>
>  
>
>>Of course, on the other hand, some of my friends and relatives, died
>>so you can shoot your mouth off. You are doing a good job at that.
>>
>>
>
>Thanks.
>
>
>Vince
>
>
>
>
>  
>

Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina

[Gary Udstrand]

That makes sense.   Are you trying to say that there are no
corporations, profits or rich people in NO?  LOL.

-Gary



Al said the following on 9/1/2005 11:41 AM:

>
>This Administration and Congress don't care about the common people. 
>Only the rich, the corporations and profits.
>
>Al
>  
>

Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina

[Gary Udstrand]

OK, where is the next natural disaster going to happen?  Hurry, we need
to start pumping in Billions of dollars.

-Gary



Al said the following on 8/31/2005 7:50 PM:

>one we should have spent the 400 billion on.
>
>"jeff.lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Another good trick
>>
>>- Original Message - 
>>From: "Al" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: "The Hardware List" 
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 4:53 PM
>>Subject: Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
that would be a good trick

At 02:15 PM 8/31/2005, Al Poked the stick with:


>I say, government's job was
>to prevent catastrophes like Katrina, 
>  
>
>>>Not to prevent hurricanes, but to prevent the depth of the disaster
>>>caused by it.
>>>  
>>>

Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina

[Gary Udstrand]

+1000

-Gary



jeff.lane said the following on 8/31/2005 7:44 PM:

> Very good, Brian. I, too, am getting very tired of these ranting
> agendas. We have a lot of people out there that are dying or will be
> if help does not get there. This include the morons that stayed for
> the parties, surfing, jet skiing, etc. Nonetheless they need help, not
> agendas.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Brian Weeden"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "The Hardware List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 3:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
>
>
>> On 8/31/05, Eli Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> While I do agree that living below sea level like that is a bad idea
>>> this
>>> was preventable.  There was a major levee construction project whose
>>> funding
>>> was cut by Bush (~$250 million)  If Bush didn't cut the funding the
>>> levees
>>> wouldn't have broke so easily like they did.
>>
>>
>> Ah great.  Took all of about 10 seconds for people to start blaming
>> Bush.  While we are at it lets blame him for the residents of LA being
>> poor and uneducated in the first place - it's all a racist plot by
>> those awful Republicans.
>>
>> Give me a freaking break.  I am sure that with a bit of digging I can
>> find just as many Democratic governors, Congressmen, and Presidents
>> who also cut funding.  Don't forget that the Corps of Engineers has
>> been embroiled in several major scandals over the past few years over
>> their use of funds.
>> http://www.taxpayer.net/corpswatch/LearnMore/scandals.htm is one
>> example I quickly Googled.
>>
>> What about this report, released in Nov of last year -
>> http://www.colorado.edu/hazards/o/nov04/nov04c.html
>>
>> It looks pretty darn accurate to me.  Now why shouldn't we blame
>> everyone who didn't pay attention to this?  I bet we can find a few
>> hundred people who fit that bill.
>>
>> Can you guarantee that the money the evil man Bush cut from the budget
>> would have been used and the magical new levee would have been built
>> before this storm hits?  When was this new system supposed to have
>> been completed by?  Would it have worked?
>>
>> What about placing the blame on the city forcing the Mississippi to
>> flow into one river channel?  This did two things - it prevents the
>> silt flow from building the delta which protects the city from the
>> ocean.  It also left NO in a sinking hole where every drop of water
>> which falls on it needs to be pumped out.
>>
>> In fact, let's blame the Corps of Engineers who built the system of
>> levees to prevent the river from changing course and caused NO to
>> become a sinkhole:
>> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0374522596/qid=1125457675/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-2930600-5361507?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
>>
>>
>> Leave you damn politics out of this.  Everyone and no one is to blame
>> for this tragedy.
>>
>> -- 
>> Brian
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
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>> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
>> Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/86 - Release Date:
>> 8/31/2005
>>
>>
>

Re: [H] Gas prices

[Gary Udstrand]

Are you reading the same thread?  When you crawl down off of your high
horse you can explain to me where I say I care how many people are
smoking pot?  My statement was in the context that PUNISHMENT DETERS
USAGE.   You are entitled to your opinion but assuming so you would 
also have to believe that our laws have no effect on crime rate.Do
you really believe that?   Did you parents ever wash your mouth out with
soap for swearing?  Did it make you think twice about dropping the f
bomb in front of them?   Why?  Did the soap make you "get over it"? 

-Gary



Julian Hale said the following on 8/26/2005 6:51 PM:

> No I don't think that the drug laws have a significant effect on
> consumption.  I know quite a few people who indulge in a variety of
> drugs on a regular basis, regardless of the laws.  I also know of high
> school students getting high on OTC drugs, which is certainly worse
> than smoking a little weed, and that is a direct negative result of
> current drug laws.
>
> Assuming for a moment that you are correct, and 2x as many people
> start smoking MJ, who gives a shit?  The effects are not particularly
> different than drinking alcohol, except that one is a lot less prone
> to go out and get into trouble.  The ultimate question, however, is
> what business is it of yours if your neighbor smokes pot?  In what way
> does it harm you?
>
> Julian
>
> PS: It's not fear of reprisal, it's just that they got over it. 
> Almost every single person I know has smoked weed at some point in
> their lives.  Some give it up, some don't.  Some use it responsibly,
> some don't.  None of them seem particularly hurt by it.
>
> At 11:25 PM 8/25/2005, you wrote:
>
>> I am none of the below and thanks for making it about me.  I always
>> enjoy ad hominem attacks, it is a sign of a weak position.  The last
>> thing I believe is that the government is always right, you could not be
>> further from the truth.  I am also not the product of any warped era
>> (whatever that is).I am also not an addict, never have been.
>>
>> I will ask you the same thing, you don't think punishment does not deter
>> drug use?  That is just plain silly.  If mary jane were legal and sold
>> at the local drug store there would be at least 2x as many people
>> smoking it.  You think some of those who are not smoking might be
>> abstaining because of fear of reprisals?  LOL
>>
>> -Gary
>
>
>

Re: [H] Gas prices

[Gary Udstrand]

I am none of the below and thanks for making it about me.  I always
enjoy ad hominem attacks, it is a sign of a weak position.  The last
thing I believe is that the government is always right, you could not be
further from the truth.  I am also not the product of any warped era
(whatever that is).I am also not an addict, never have been. 

I will ask you the same thing, you don't think punishment does not deter
drug use?  That is just plain silly.  If mary jane were legal and sold
at the local drug store there would be at least 2x as many people
smoking it.  You think some of those who are not smoking might be
abstaining because of fear of reprisals?  LOL

-Gary



warpmedia said the following on 8/25/2005 9:26 PM:

> Let me go out on a limb here and assume Gary is either:
>
> A. Old enough to be like my booze hound grandparents who thought the
> government was always right.
> B. Just young enough to be the product of their warped era.
> C. A staunch conservative (though so is William F Buckley & he gets it).
> D. A former addict who can only see things as none or abuse.
>
> Drugs are not hard to find & the laws serve to punish, not deter or help.
>
> Now I am out of this thread. Sorry again Jim, I was out all day &
> missed the action here. =)
>
> Gary Udstrand wrote:
>
>> Draw that conclusion for me Hayes.  You do not think that punishment
>> serves to prevent?  I also find it interesting that you would turn to
>> Liddy to try and find support for your position..
>>
>> -Gary
>
>

Re: [H] Gas prices

[Gary Udstrand]

Like all the other drugs from Pharmaceutical companies?  Now, that is a
good one.  Add to it all the taxes that are sure to be imposed and all
of the legal obligation that comes from being part of the delivery
chain.  Low prices are a dream.   BTW, do you always find it necessary
to be so condescending? 

-Gary



Julian Hale said the following on 8/25/2005 8:17 PM:

> There was also a thriving, legal business for MJ, opiates, cocaine,
> etc. before prohibition.  Again, no difference at all.  Legal drugs
> will come from, and this may shock you, pharmaceutical companies...
> since there is no patent, prices will be low.
>
> Julian
>
> At 12:52 PM 8/25/2005, you wrote:
>
>> Big difference, there was already a thriving legal business for alcohol
>> prior to prohibition.  So we make drugs legal, where are they going to
>> come from?
>>
>> -Gary
>
>
>

Re: [H] Gas prices

[Gary Udstrand]

I am aware of the history, I just think the situations are very
different regardless of what you might believe.  Think about it, the
drugs are legal do you think all the illegal fields will be plowed
under?  Do you think they will stop growing their crop?  Why would they? 

-Gary



Julian Hale said the following on 8/25/2005 8:14 PM:

> Crack open a history book.  What happened after the end of prohibition
> is what makes us think that ending drug/MJ prohibition will make them
> walk away.  The is no difference between the two.  However,
> excessively high taxation will create a black market.
>
> Julian
>
> At 12:24 PM 8/25/2005, you wrote:
>
>> That is one of the most ludicrous arguments being tossed about by the
>> legalizing drugs crowd.  What in God's name makes you think that
>> organized crime will walk away from their BILLION dollar empires?  Tax
>> the drugs??  LOL.
>>
>> -Gary
>
>
>

[H] Voice over IP

[Gary Udstrand]

Anyone here using VOIP?  I am thinking about signing up with Vonage, are
there other providers I should consider?

Thanks!

-- 
-Gary

Re: [H] Gas prices

[Gary Udstrand]

Never said they would not.  You think the criminals will stand idly by
and let their market share be taken from them?  Even if they compete
using only legal methods they would be formidable.  Their operations
would also still be very valuable and profitable.  And that is my
point.  If anyone thinks making drugs legal will somehow destroy the
criminal enterprises in place today they are mistaken.  Or do you think
they will just walk away from the drug market because they are legal?

-Gary



Eli Allen said the following on 8/25/2005 5:20 PM:

> If drugs became legal the why won't others try to produce drugs?  The
> way they are made is not a secret.  And if you don't have to hide what
> you are doing they are easy to make.
>
> Criminal operations are the only ones providing drugs now as they are
> illegal to provide.
>
> - Original Message -
>
>> And here I thought you had to grow them.  Anyways, you are missing the
>> point.  The criminal operations are the only ones capable of providing
>> the drugs to the legal market.  They will continue to make money and do
>> whatever nefarious things with it that they do now.  Again, legalizing
>> drugs will do nothing to remove the criminal element.
>>
>> -Gary
>>
>>
>>
>> Eli Allen said the following on 8/25/2005 3:50 PM:
>>
>>> I'm going to go out on a limb and say some new companies will be
>>> created or existing companies will expand to produce them.
>>>
>>> I'm also going to make this wild assumption that people will rather
>>> get their drugs cheaper at the store then pay more to someone sneaking
>>> around a street corner.
>>>
>>> Eli
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>>
>>>> Big difference, there was already a thriving legal business for
>>>> alcohol
>>>> prior to prohibition.  So we make drugs legal, where are they going to
>>>> come from?
>>>>
>>>> -Gary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hayes Elkins said the following on 8/25/2005 2:30 PM:
>>>>
>>>>> What happened to moonshiners and the whiskey running mafia filth of
>>>>> the 30's?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Gary Udstrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>> Reply-To: The Hardware List 
>>>>>> To: The Hardware List 
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:24:10 -0500
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is one of the most ludicrous arguments being tossed about by
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> legalizing drugs crowd.  What in God's name makes you think that
>>>>>> organized crime will walk away from their BILLION dollar
>>>>>> empires?  Tax
>>>>>> the drugs??  LOL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Gary
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [H] Gas prices

[Gary Udstrand]

Drug usage is unquestionably lower as a result of the laws in place,
which is their purpose.  They are working.   Turf wars take place
regardless of drugs as do shootings and other crimes.  You have no
evidence to suggest that making marijuana legal would remedy any of
these issues.

-Gary



Eli Allen said the following on 8/25/2005 4:12 PM:

> I'd define working as a decrease in the usage, decrease in ability to
> get the drugs, decrease in crimes related to the drugs (stealing to
> get money to pay for them, shootings over who has rights to a certain
> turf for selling drugs, etc)  And this decrease should be significant,
> especially for the area of related crimes as I'd argue those effect
> others besides just the user to a much larger degree so are more
> important.
>
> Using that definition I'd say they aren't working
>
> Eli
>
> - Original Message - From: "Gary Udstrand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "The Hardware List" 
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 3:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices
>
>
>> Your problem is you have failed to define working.  If by working you
>> mean are they acting as a deterrent, then they are working.  If you are
>> defining working as the complete eradication of drugs from society then
>> you are creating nothing more than a canard.
>>
>> -Gary
>>
>>
>>
>> Thane Sherrington said the following on 8/25/2005 2:58 PM:
>>
>>> At 04:44 PM 25/08/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote:
>>>
>>>>> And that's one, not several.  Please give me some concrete examples
>>>>> of harsh drug laws having the desired effect over the long term.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Saudi Arabia - caught with drugs? Bye bye head.
>>>>
>>>> It's also a GREAT place to live.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think that proves my point.  Harsh drug laws just don't work.
>>> Unless you feel that leaving in an oppressive regime with no drugs or
>>> alcohol is working.
>>>
>>> T
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [H] Gas prices

[Gary Udstrand]

Draw that conclusion for me Hayes.  You do not think that punishment
serves to prevent?  I also find it interesting that you would turn to
Liddy to try and find support for your position..

-Gary



Hayes Elkins said the following on 8/25/2005 4:12 PM:

> "In general, laws *punish* crime - they do not *prevent* crime."
>
> - GG Liddy
>
>
>> From: Gary Udstrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: The Hardware List 
>> To: The Hardware List 
>> Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices
>> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:44:03 -0500
>>
>> How many of those in jail for drugs are helpless Grandma's and
>> teenagers?  Simple question, do the drug laws deter usage?  What else
>> are they supposed to do?  I suppose we should eliminate laws against
>> theft too since they would also fail your definition of success.
>>
>> -Gary
>>
>>
>>
>> j m g said the following on 8/25/2005 3:08 PM:
>>
>> >I don't think locking up grandma and idiot teenagers is the mark of a
>> >successful policy.
>> >
>> >On 8/25/05, Gary Udstrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>Of course it is up to you to define successful?
>> >>
>> >>-Gary
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Thane Sherrington said the following on 8/25/2005 3:07 PM:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>At 04:56 PM 25/08/2005, Gary Udstrand wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>Your problem is you have failed to define working.  If by working
>> you
>> >>>>mean are they acting as a deterrent, then they are working.  If
>> you are
>> >>>>defining working as the complete eradication of drugs from
>> society then
>> >>>>you are creating nothing more than a canard.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>I think working is pretty easy to define:  A free society where
>> people
>> >>>take responsibility for their actions, and tax dollars aren't wasted
>> >>>on things that are completely unsuccessful.
>> >>>
>> >>>T
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>
>

Re: [H] Gas prices

[Gary Udstrand]

I know the history, thanks anyways. 

-Gary



Eli Allen said the following on 8/25/2005 4:05 PM:

> By the way most drugs were legal originally.  You may want a small
> history lesson:
>
> http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html
>
>
> Eli
> - Original Message -
>
>> Big difference, there was already a thriving legal business for alcohol
>> prior to prohibition.  So we make drugs legal, where are they going to
>> come from?
>>
>> -Gary
>>

Re: [H] Gas prices

[Gary Udstrand]

You win.  I guess it is time to legalize murder, robbery, rape, etc. 
since I cannot prove their effectiveness either.  LOL

-Gary



Eli Allen said the following on 8/25/2005 3:55 PM:

> If the desired effect is decreased drug usage and making drugs harder
> to get along with decreasing crime related to the drug usage then I'd
> like to see your proof.
>
> Eli
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
>> USA and Canada.
>>
>> -Gary
>>
>>
>>
>> Thane Sherrington said the following on 8/25/2005 2:48 PM:
>>
>>> At 04:11 PM 25/08/2005, Gary Udstrand wrote:
>>>
>>>> Several.  China is a lot better off now, isn't it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not sure.  Haven't been there, but I've heard their economy is
>>> doing alright.  Plus China isn't really a modern, civilized country,
>>> so it's hard to compare to the US or Canada.  The Netherlands seems to
>>> be doing ok.
>>>
>>> And that's one, not several.  Please give me some concrete examples of
>>> harsh drug laws having the desired effect over the long term.
>>>
>>> T
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [H] Gas prices

[Gary Udstrand]

And here I thought you had to grow them.  Anyways, you are missing the
point.  The criminal operations are the only ones capable of providing
the drugs to the legal market.  They will continue to make money and do
whatever nefarious things with it that they do now.  Again, legalizing
drugs will do nothing to remove the criminal element.

-Gary



Eli Allen said the following on 8/25/2005 3:50 PM:

> I'm going to go out on a limb and say some new companies will be
> created or existing companies will expand to produce them.
>
> I'm also going to make this wild assumption that people will rather
> get their drugs cheaper at the store then pay more to someone sneaking
> around a street corner.
>
> Eli
>
> - Original Message -
>
>> Big difference, there was already a thriving legal business for alcohol
>> prior to prohibition.  So we make drugs legal, where are they going to
>> come from?
>>
>> -Gary
>>
>>
>>
>> Hayes Elkins said the following on 8/25/2005 2:30 PM:
>>
>>> What happened to moonshiners and the whiskey running mafia filth of
>>> the 30's?
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Gary Udstrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> Reply-To: The Hardware List 
>>>> To: The Hardware List 
>>>> Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices
>>>> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:24:10 -0500
>>>>
>>>> That is one of the most ludicrous arguments being tossed about by the
>>>> legalizing drugs crowd.  What in God's name makes you think that
>>>> organized crime will walk away from their BILLION dollar empires?  Tax
>>>> the drugs??  LOL.
>>>>
>>>> -Gary
>>>
>

Re: [H] Gas prices

[Gary Udstrand]

How many of those in jail for drugs are helpless Grandma's and
teenagers?  Simple question, do the drug laws deter usage?  What else
are they supposed to do?  I suppose we should eliminate laws against
theft too since they would also fail your definition of success.

-Gary



j m g said the following on 8/25/2005 3:08 PM:

>I don't think locking up grandma and idiot teenagers is the mark of a
>successful policy.
>
>On 8/25/05, Gary Udstrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>Of course it is up to you to define successful?
>>
>>-Gary
>>
>>
>>
>>Thane Sherrington said the following on 8/25/2005 3:07 PM:
>>
>>
>>
>>>At 04:56 PM 25/08/2005, Gary Udstrand wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>>Your problem is you have failed to define working.  If by working you
>>>>mean are they acting as a deterrent, then they are working.  If you are
>>>>defining working as the complete eradication of drugs from society then
>>>>you are creating nothing more than a canard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I think working is pretty easy to define:  A free society where people
>>>take responsibility for their actions, and tax dollars aren't wasted
>>>on things that are completely unsuccessful.
>>>
>>>T
>>>  
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>  
>

Re: [H] Gas prices

[Gary Udstrand]

Of course it is up to you to define successful?

-Gary



Thane Sherrington said the following on 8/25/2005 3:07 PM:

> At 04:56 PM 25/08/2005, Gary Udstrand wrote:
>
>> Your problem is you have failed to define working.  If by working you
>> mean are they acting as a deterrent, then they are working.  If you are
>> defining working as the complete eradication of drugs from society then
>> you are creating nothing more than a canard.
>
>
> I think working is pretty easy to define:  A free society where people
> take responsibility for their actions, and tax dollars aren't wasted
> on things that are completely unsuccessful.
>
> T

Re: [H] Gas prices

[Gary Udstrand]

Yes. 

-Gary



Thane Sherrington said the following on 8/25/2005 3:06 PM:

> At 04:54 PM 25/08/2005, Gary Udstrand wrote:
>
>> USA and Canada.
>
>
> So you feel we are winning the drug war?
>
> T

Re: [H] Gas prices

[Gary Udstrand]

Your problem is you have failed to define working.  If by working you
mean are they acting as a deterrent, then they are working.  If you are
defining working as the complete eradication of drugs from society then
you are creating nothing more than a canard.

-Gary



Thane Sherrington said the following on 8/25/2005 2:58 PM:

> At 04:44 PM 25/08/2005, Hayes Elkins wrote:
>
>>> And that's one, not several.  Please give me some concrete examples
>>> of harsh drug laws having the desired effect over the long term.
>>
>>
>> Saudi Arabia - caught with drugs? Bye bye head.
>>
>> It's also a GREAT place to live.
>
>
> I think that proves my point.  Harsh drug laws just don't work. 
> Unless you feel that leaving in an oppressive regime with no drugs or
> alcohol is working.
>
> T

Re: [H] Gas prices

[Gary Udstrand]

And where is Walgreens supposed to get the drugs?

-Gary



j m g said the following on 8/25/2005 2:37 PM:

>If I can walk into walgreens and there sitting right next to the
>marlboro's...they're not going to have a say in the matter.
>
>On 8/25/05, Gary Udstrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>That is one of the most ludicrous arguments being tossed about by the
>>legalizing drugs crowd.  What in God's name makes you think that
>>organized crime will walk away from their BILLION dollar empires?  Tax
>>the drugs??  LOL.
>>
>>-Gary
>>
>>
>>
>>Eli Allen said the following on 8/25/2005 10:24 AM:
>>
>>
>>
>>>A few minor changes I'd make.  First, I'm assuming the drugs are
>>>actually very cheap to make.  So I say tax them very highly and they
>>>should still be cheaper then drugs are now and so prevent a black
>>>market,  These taxes are what should be used to pay for all the
>>>regulation and treatment efforts.
>>>
>>>Second, there needs to be a law that first defines what recreational
>>>drugs are and second allowing discrimination against people who use
>>>them.  This allows for an additional incentive to keep people off the
>>>drugs.  I do believe the drugs do bad things to you to can cause your
>>>medical bills to go up and keep you from being as good of an employee
>>>from how it effects your mind so its not fair for the many who don't
>>>use the drugs.
>>>
>>>Third, and probably the measure to enact first, medical research
>>>should never be limited arbitrarily because a chemical is considered a
>>>recreational drug.  A chemical is a chemical and they all have side
>>>effects, you just need to balance the good parts and the bad.
>>>
>>>Eli
>>>
>>>- Original Message -
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>>http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/7/ - Decriminalization
>>>>arguement.  Sounds pretty good to me...
>>>>
>>>>On 8/25/05, Ben Ruset <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Freed up space in prisons better suited to real criminals.
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: Gary Udstrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>Date: Thu Aug 25 09:31:48 CDT 2005
>>>>>>To: The Hardware List 
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What happened in China when they legalized drugs?  What about Needle
>>>>>>park in Zurich?  Can you cite one example where the legalization of
>>>>>>drugs solved any social ills?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-Gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Stan Zaske said the following on 8/25/2005 3:04 AM:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>BC Bud! Didn't you see the prime time report? They sell it in
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>shops on
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>>>>the streets using the best seeds from around the globe! Gotta love
>>>>>>>British Columbia! 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What hypocrisy that we still haven't learned "Prohibition" doesn't
>>>>>>>work even after all the organized crime that came as a result of
>>>>>>>"criminalization"! Try to do the same with tobacco and see what
>>>>>>>happens! So what if you smoke a bowl in the evening to relax? Who's
>>>>>>>business is it anyway? Our money would be better spent on public
>>>>>>>education and rehab rather than interdiction and criminalization!
>>>>>>>Addictive behavior is associated with "self-esteem" and that's where
>>>>>>>our focus should be! So much for wisdom in government!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>warpmedia wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Well there sure is some dynamite hemp floating around somewhere
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>these
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>days! LOL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Was just in Vancouver for 8 days and never got over to the little
>>>>>>>>Amsterdam area to see what all the fuss was about. Of course there
>>>>>>>>was the fear of the transaction in the back of my mind since that
>>>>>>>>seems to be the law the get you on rather than possession or use.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>FORC5 wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Over 25,000 products can be manufactured from hemp, from
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>cellophane
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>to dynamite."
>>>>>>>>>Popular Mechanics, 1938
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>At 02:27 AM 8/24/2005, Stan Zaske Poked the stick with:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Better yet, grow female hemp to ferment into methane and sell the
>>>>>>>>>>buds to Canada. 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>gibney wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Industrial hemp, digested to methane and powering fuel cells.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>-jmg
>>>>
>>>>Chaos often breeds life, when order breeds habit.
>>>>Henry Brooks Adams [1838-1918]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>  
>

Re: [H] Gas prices

[Gary Udstrand]

USA and Canada.

-Gary



Thane Sherrington said the following on 8/25/2005 2:48 PM:

> At 04:11 PM 25/08/2005, Gary Udstrand wrote:
>
>> Several.  China is a lot better off now, isn't it?
>
>
> I'm not sure.  Haven't been there, but I've heard their economy is
> doing alright.  Plus China isn't really a modern, civilized country,
> so it's hard to compare to the US or Canada.  The Netherlands seems to
> be doing ok.
>
> And that's one, not several.  Please give me some concrete examples of
> harsh drug laws having the desired effect over the long term.
>
> T

Re: [H] Gas prices

[Gary Udstrand]

I have no idea what you are talking about Hayes but leave it to you to
come up with shit like this.  It was meant as a joke.  You are some
piece of work.

-Gary



Hayes Elkins said the following on 8/25/2005 2:26 PM:

>
>
>
>> From: Gary Udstrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: The Hardware List 
>> To: The Hardware List 
>> Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices
>> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:18:32 -0500
>>
>> Big difference, without food and water you die.  Without sex you become
>> a nerd.  LOL
>>
>> -Gary
>
>
> Or a buttfucking pedophile priest.
>
> (remembering your prior defense of priesthood's celibacy that was
> introduced solely to protect the church's dwindling riches centuries ago)
>
>

Re: [H] Gas prices

[Gary Udstrand]

Big difference, there was already a thriving legal business for alcohol
prior to prohibition.  So we make drugs legal, where are they going to
come from?

-Gary



Hayes Elkins said the following on 8/25/2005 2:30 PM:

> What happened to moonshiners and the whiskey running mafia filth of
> the 30's?
>
>
>> From: Gary Udstrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: The Hardware List 
>> To: The Hardware List 
>> Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices
>> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:24:10 -0500
>>
>> That is one of the most ludicrous arguments being tossed about by the
>> legalizing drugs crowd.  What in God's name makes you think that
>> organized crime will walk away from their BILLION dollar empires?  Tax
>> the drugs??  LOL.
>>
>> -Gary
>>
>>
>>
>> Eli Allen said the following on 8/25/2005 10:24 AM:
>>
>> > A few minor changes I'd make.  First, I'm assuming the drugs are
>> > actually very cheap to make.  So I say tax them very highly and they
>> > should still be cheaper then drugs are now and so prevent a black
>> > market,  These taxes are what should be used to pay for all the
>> > regulation and treatment efforts.
>> >
>> > Second, there needs to be a law that first defines what recreational
>> > drugs are and second allowing discrimination against people who use
>> > them.  This allows for an additional incentive to keep people off the
>> > drugs.  I do believe the drugs do bad things to you to can cause your
>> > medical bills to go up and keep you from being as good of an employee
>> > from how it effects your mind so its not fair for the many who don't
>> > use the drugs.
>> >
>> > Third, and probably the measure to enact first, medical research
>> > should never be limited arbitrarily because a chemical is considered a
>> > recreational drug.  A chemical is a chemical and they all have side
>> > effects, you just need to balance the good parts and the bad.
>> >
>> > Eli
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> >
>> >> http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/7/ - Decriminalization
>> >> arguement.  Sounds pretty good to me...
>> >>
>> >> On 8/25/05, Ben Ruset <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Freed up space in prisons better suited to real criminals.
>> >>>
>> >>> >From: Gary Udstrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >>> >Date: Thu Aug 25 09:31:48 CDT 2005
>> >>> >To: The Hardware List 
>> >>> >Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices
>> >>>
>> >>> >What happened in China when they legalized drugs?  What about
>> Needle
>> >>> >park in Zurich?  Can you cite one example where the legalization of
>> >>> >drugs solved any social ills?
>> >>> >
>> >>> >-Gary
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Stan Zaske said the following on 8/25/2005 3:04 AM:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> BC Bud! Didn't you see the prime time report? They sell it in
>> >>> shops on
>> >>> >> the streets using the best seeds from around the globe! Gotta
>> love
>> >>> >> British Columbia! 
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> What hypocrisy that we still haven't learned "Prohibition"
>> doesn't
>> >>> >> work even after all the organized crime that came as a result of
>> >>> >> "criminalization"! Try to do the same with tobacco and see what
>> >>> >> happens! So what if you smoke a bowl in the evening to relax?
>> Who's
>> >>> >> business is it anyway? Our money would be better spent on public
>> >>> >> education and rehab rather than interdiction and criminalization!
>> >>> >> Addictive behavior is associated with "self-esteem" and that's
>> where
>> >>> >> our focus should be! So much for wisdom in government!
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> warpmedia wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>> Well there sure is some dynamite hemp floating around somewhere
>> >>> these
>> >>> >>> days! LOL
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Was just in Vancouver for 8 days and never got over to the
>> little
>> >>> >>> Amsterdam area to see what all the fuss was about. Of course
>> there
>> >>> >>> was the fear of the transaction in the back of my mind since
>> that
>> >>> >>> seems to be the law the get you on rather than possession or
>> use.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> FORC5 wrote:
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>> "Over 25,000 products can be manufactured from hemp, from
>> >>> cellophane
>> >>> >>>> to dynamite."
>> >>> >>>> Popular Mechanics, 1938
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> At 02:27 AM 8/24/2005, Stan Zaske Poked the stick with:
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>>> Better yet, grow female hemp to ferment into methane and
>> sell the
>> >>> >>>>> buds to Canada. 
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>> gibney wrote:
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>> Industrial hemp, digested to methane and powering fuel cells.
>> >>> >>>>>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> -jmg
>> >>
>> >> Chaos often breeds life, when order breeds habit.
>> >> Henry Brooks Adams [1838-1918]
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>
>
>

Re: [H] Gas prices

[Gary Udstrand]

That is one of the most ludicrous arguments being tossed about by the
legalizing drugs crowd.  What in God's name makes you think that
organized crime will walk away from their BILLION dollar empires?  Tax
the drugs??  LOL.  

-Gary



Eli Allen said the following on 8/25/2005 10:24 AM:

> A few minor changes I'd make.  First, I'm assuming the drugs are
> actually very cheap to make.  So I say tax them very highly and they
> should still be cheaper then drugs are now and so prevent a black
> market,  These taxes are what should be used to pay for all the
> regulation and treatment efforts.
>
> Second, there needs to be a law that first defines what recreational
> drugs are and second allowing discrimination against people who use
> them.  This allows for an additional incentive to keep people off the
> drugs.  I do believe the drugs do bad things to you to can cause your
> medical bills to go up and keep you from being as good of an employee
> from how it effects your mind so its not fair for the many who don't
> use the drugs.
>
> Third, and probably the measure to enact first, medical research
> should never be limited arbitrarily because a chemical is considered a
> recreational drug.  A chemical is a chemical and they all have side
> effects, you just need to balance the good parts and the bad.
>
> Eli
>
> - Original Message -
>
>> http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/7/ - Decriminalization
>> arguement.  Sounds pretty good to me...
>>
>> On 8/25/05, Ben Ruset <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Freed up space in prisons better suited to real criminals.
>>>
>>> >From: Gary Udstrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> >Date: Thu Aug 25 09:31:48 CDT 2005
>>> >To: The Hardware List 
>>> >Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices
>>>
>>> >What happened in China when they legalized drugs?  What about Needle
>>> >park in Zurich?  Can you cite one example where the legalization of
>>> >drugs solved any social ills?
>>> >
>>> >-Gary
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Stan Zaske said the following on 8/25/2005 3:04 AM:
>>> >
>>> >> BC Bud! Didn't you see the prime time report? They sell it in
>>> shops on
>>> >> the streets using the best seeds from around the globe! Gotta love
>>> >> British Columbia! 
>>> >>
>>> >> What hypocrisy that we still haven't learned "Prohibition" doesn't
>>> >> work even after all the organized crime that came as a result of
>>> >> "criminalization"! Try to do the same with tobacco and see what
>>> >> happens! So what if you smoke a bowl in the evening to relax? Who's
>>> >> business is it anyway? Our money would be better spent on public
>>> >> education and rehab rather than interdiction and criminalization!
>>> >> Addictive behavior is associated with "self-esteem" and that's where
>>> >> our focus should be! So much for wisdom in government!
>>> >>
>>> >> warpmedia wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Well there sure is some dynamite hemp floating around somewhere
>>> these
>>> >>> days! LOL
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Was just in Vancouver for 8 days and never got over to the little
>>> >>> Amsterdam area to see what all the fuss was about. Of course there
>>> >>> was the fear of the transaction in the back of my mind since that
>>> >>> seems to be the law the get you on rather than possession or use.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> FORC5 wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> "Over 25,000 products can be manufactured from hemp, from
>>> cellophane
>>> >>>> to dynamite."
>>> >>>> Popular Mechanics, 1938
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> At 02:27 AM 8/24/2005, Stan Zaske Poked the stick with:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Better yet, grow female hemp to ferment into methane and sell the
>>> >>>>> buds to Canada. 
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> gibney wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Industrial hemp, digested to methane and powering fuel cells.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> -jmg
>>
>> Chaos often breeds life, when order breeds habit.
>> Henry Brooks Adams [1838-1918]
>>
>>
>

Re: [H] Gas prices

[Gary Udstrand]

Wow,  you really need to do some reading.

-Gary



Ben Ruset said the following on 8/25/2005 9:41 AM:

>Freed up space in prisons better suited to real criminals.
>
>  
>
>>From: Gary Udstrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Date: Thu Aug 25 09:31:48 CDT 2005
>>To: The Hardware List 
>>Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices
>>
>>
>
>  
>
>>What happened in China when they legalized drugs?  What about Needle
>>park in Zurich?  Can you cite one example where the legalization of
>>drugs solved any social ills?
>>
>>-Gary
>>
>>
>>
>>Stan Zaske said the following on 8/25/2005 3:04 AM:
>>
>>
>>
>>>BC Bud! Didn't you see the prime time report? They sell it in shops on
>>>the streets using the best seeds from around the globe! Gotta love
>>>British Columbia! 
>>>
>>>What hypocrisy that we still haven't learned "Prohibition" doesn't
>>>work even after all the organized crime that came as a result of
>>>"criminalization"! Try to do the same with tobacco and see what
>>>happens! So what if you smoke a bowl in the evening to relax? Who's
>>>business is it anyway? Our money would be better spent on public
>>>education and rehab rather than interdiction and criminalization!
>>>Addictive behavior is associated with "self-esteem" and that's where
>>>our focus should be! So much for wisdom in government!
>>>
>>>warpmedia wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>>Well there sure is some dynamite hemp floating around somewhere these
>>>>days! LOL
>>>>
>>>>Was just in Vancouver for 8 days and never got over to the little
>>>>Amsterdam area to see what all the fuss was about. Of course there
>>>>was the fear of the transaction in the back of my mind since that
>>>>seems to be the law the get you on rather than possession or use.
>>>>
>>>>FORC5 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Over 25,000 products can be manufactured from hemp, from cellophane
>>>>>to dynamite."
>>>>>Popular Mechanics, 1938
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>At 02:27 AM 8/24/2005, Stan Zaske Poked the stick with:
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>>>Better yet, grow female hemp to ferment into methane and sell the
>>>>>>buds to Canada. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>gibney wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Industrial hemp, digested to methane and powering fuel cells.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
>  
>

Re: [H] Gas prices

[Gary Udstrand]

Big difference, without food and water you die.  Without sex you become
a nerd.  LOL

-Gary



Stan Zaske said the following on 8/25/2005 12:25 PM:

> The time following puberty is the time period when a person is the
> horniest in their lives! All part of God's plan to provide for our
> reproduction. Deny a person food and see how warped their behavior
> becomes. Take away someones water and all they'll think about is
> getting something to drink. That's why we need to provide our children
> with condoms so they can get the sex they crave and help prevent
> disease and unwanted pregnancy. Common sense my friend.
>
> FORC5 wrote:
>
>> not a good reason to make these products legal. same argument for
>> giving kids condoms.
>> a society needs standards to live by
>> for the live of me I can not figure out why someone would consume a
>> product that they have NO FUCKING IDEA what kind of standards where
>> used in manufacture. These same ppl probably want only organic food.
>> go figure.
>> fp
>>
>> At 07:40 AM 8/25/2005, Thane Sherrington Poked the stick with:
>>
>>> At 11:31 AM 25/08/2005, Gary Udstrand wrote:
>>>
>>>> What happened in China when they legalized drugs?  What about Needle
>>>> park in Zurich?  Can you cite one example where the legalization of
>>>> drugs solved any social ills?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Can you name one example where making it illegal solved any social
>>> ills?  All anti-drug laws have gotten the US and Canada are huge
>>> police budgets and drugs on the streets.  If they can get drugs into
>>> prisons (supposedly secure facilities) then we can't stop them
>>> outside prisons.
>>>
>>> T 
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Tallyho ! ]:8)
>> Taglines below !
>> -- 
>> Sometimes, the only solution is to find a new problem.
>>
>> 
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
>> Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/81 - Release Date:
>> 8/24/2005
>>  
>>
>

Re: [H] Gas prices

[Gary Udstrand]

You are making a HUGE assumption, that being that enforcement doesn't do
anything.  Most believe that the enforcement is working the way it
should.  It is a deterrent and as such is doing its job.

-Gary



j m g said the following on 8/25/2005 11:45 AM:

>But how many billions are spent on enforcement that doesn't get
>anywhere.  Why even bother busting kids with a cigarette's worth of
>pot?  Your taxes are already going to the 'war on drugs' and that
>money isn't being wisely spent.
>
>On 8/25/05, Gary VanderMolen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>>The biggest drug problem these days is ICE or crystal meth made from
>>>cold pills and second a bumper crop from our buddies in Afghanistan.
>>>Neither should be tolerated and those found using should be helped
>>>medically, not jailed.
>>>  
>>>
>>Do you want your taxes raised in order to pay for the repetitive
>>medical treatment of those who abuse themselves willfully? I don't.
>>I don't see any free alcohol abuse treatment centers either.
>>Remember, those in jail for drug abuse are but the tip of the
>>iceberg. People need to take ownership of their own problems and
>>learn self control. Don't expect kid-glove treatment on my dime.
>>
>>Gary VanderMolen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>  
>

Re: [H] Gas prices

[Gary Udstrand]

Several.  China is a lot better off now, isn't it?

-Gary



Thane Sherrington said the following on 8/25/2005 9:40 AM:

> At 11:31 AM 25/08/2005, Gary Udstrand wrote:
>
>> What happened in China when they legalized drugs?  What about Needle
>> park in Zurich?  Can you cite one example where the legalization of
>> drugs solved any social ills?
>
>
> Can you name one example where making it illegal solved any social
> ills?  All anti-drug laws have gotten the US and Canada are huge
> police budgets and drugs on the streets.  If they can get drugs into
> prisons (supposedly secure facilities) then we can't stop them outside
> prisons.
>
> T

Re: [H] Gas prices

[Gary Udstrand]

What happened in China when they legalized drugs?  What about Needle
park in Zurich?  Can you cite one example where the legalization of
drugs solved any social ills?

-Gary



Stan Zaske said the following on 8/25/2005 3:04 AM:

> BC Bud! Didn't you see the prime time report? They sell it in shops on
> the streets using the best seeds from around the globe! Gotta love
> British Columbia! 
>
> What hypocrisy that we still haven't learned "Prohibition" doesn't
> work even after all the organized crime that came as a result of
> "criminalization"! Try to do the same with tobacco and see what
> happens! So what if you smoke a bowl in the evening to relax? Who's
> business is it anyway? Our money would be better spent on public
> education and rehab rather than interdiction and criminalization!
> Addictive behavior is associated with "self-esteem" and that's where
> our focus should be! So much for wisdom in government!
>
> warpmedia wrote:
>
>> Well there sure is some dynamite hemp floating around somewhere these
>> days! LOL
>>
>> Was just in Vancouver for 8 days and never got over to the little
>> Amsterdam area to see what all the fuss was about. Of course there
>> was the fear of the transaction in the back of my mind since that
>> seems to be the law the get you on rather than possession or use.
>>
>> FORC5 wrote:
>>
>>> "Over 25,000 products can be manufactured from hemp, from cellophane
>>> to dynamite."
>>> Popular Mechanics, 1938
>>>
>>>
>>> At 02:27 AM 8/24/2005, Stan Zaske Poked the stick with:
>>>
 Better yet, grow female hemp to ferment into methane and sell the
 buds to Canada. 

 gibney wrote:


> Industrial hemp, digested to methane and powering fuel cells.
>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [H] Earth google

[Gary Udstrand]

You mean like http://virtualearth.msn.com?

-Gary



Neil Davidson said the following on 8/23/2005 12:40 PM:

>Had a quick look at it. Quite interesting but not as good as I was
>expecting. The images for round here (Aberdeen, Scotland) are from two
>different sources, so you get one block that is nice and colourful, then the
>next is really dull and grey.
>
>Would have been more impressed if it had been in browser instead of a large
>download.
>
>Not interesting enough to keep, uninstalled it after playing. 
>
>  
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of GP
>>Sent: 23 August 2005 12:56
>>To: The Hardware List
>>Subject: [H] Earth google
>>
>>Anybody try http://earth.google.com/
>>
>>--
>>Garind P
>>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>"oc ur mobo not urself or anybody else"
>>
>>
>>
>
>  
>

Re: [H] Gas prices

[Gary Udstrand]

Sorry, you could not be more wrong. But don't let the facts get in the
way of a good tirade.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/gasprices/FAQ.shtml#High
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/12418111.htm

-Gary



Tony Antoniou said the following on 8/18/2005 9:12 AM:

> Bush made the BS oil inflation happen with his “War on Terror”. Sorry
> to all you militant Bush supporters out there but Bush and his family
> of oil-riggers are laughing all the way to the bank, along with the
> people above them pulling the strings.
>
> Adios,
> Tony
>
> --- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums ---
>
> -Original Message-
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *FORC5
> *Sent:* Thursday, 18 August 2005 6:55
> *To:* The Hardware List
> *Subject:* Re: [H] Gas prices
>
> PPL here bitch about the prices but are not willing to do anything
> about it. Non new refineries in 30 years, and no drilling in Alaska.
> me, I'd say piss on the Saudi's ( no offense ) , let them see if they
> can squirt that oil on the sand and grow food with it !!! >:-}
> if it were up to me I'd cut them off completely, then there might be a
> oil price war and prices may come down.
> BTW I'm tired of *adjusted for inflation* BS. inflation did not go up
> 150% in a year
>
> bo haha
>

Re: [H] Gas prices

[Gary Udstrand]

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/gasprices/FAQ.shtml#High
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/12418111.htm

Q. Why did oil prices rise so fast?

A. The price of crude oil jumped dramatically in recent weeks in part
because of heightened fears of shortages. Oil traders are particularly
nervous about forecasts of a busier than usual hurricane season.
Hurricanes disrupt deliveries by oil tankers and can halt production at
offshore rigs in the Gulf of Mexico. They also threaten refineries on
the U.S. Gulf Coast. Other factors included temporary shutdowns at some
U.S. refineries and U.S. government warnings of possible terrorist
attacks in Saudi Arabia, the world's biggest oil producer.

Q. Aren't oil cartels to blame for the high prices?

A. Today's high prices are driven by demand, not supplier-imposed
shortages as in the 1970s and `80s. The Organization of Petroleum
Exporting Countries says its members are pumping oil at almost full
throttle and that developed nations should build more refineries.
Refineries are working at near capacity and can't keep pace.


-Gary



Chris Reeves said the following on 8/18/2005 5:38 PM:

>Here are the reasons in order:
>
>Death of Saudi Arabian royalty.
>Fire in a second tier refinery in Illinois..
>
>Which has mostly led to rampant stock market speculation which continues to
>drive the crude oil price up, up, up.  A lot of what is driving it up is
>sheer speculation of the markets, not much else.  
>
>CW
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joeuser
>Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 5:34 PM
>To: The Hardware List
>Subject: Re: [H] Gas prices
>
>So what's the reason for this increase now? Someone has to be saying 
>something. I don't watch the news because I don't want to get put on 
>Wellbutrin or other widespread happy pills / anti-depressants.
>
>
>  
>

[H] Speakers?

[Gary Udstrand]

I need speakers for my new PC.  The Logitech speakers used to be
popular, are they still the ones to get? 

Thanks

-- 
-Gary

Re: [H] Gas prices

[Gary Udstrand]

Ethanol is a boondoggle.  It has been demonstrated that it takes more
fossil fuel is used to create Ethanol than it provides in return.  
Ethanol programs are nothing more that governments subsidies for ADM.

-Gary



jeff.lane said the following on 8/17/2005 3:43 PM:

> Hell, we can grow ethanol. Read the stars, guys, we are getting
> screwed! The oil companies have been crying for years that oil prices
> are way behind inflation. I say, so what! I thought the idea was to
> keep inflation down in the first place. The Government needs to
> include fuel and food in the inflation indicators. Of course, if they
> do prime interest rates would be at 50% or more by now!
>
> We have plenty of alternatives to gas and batteryso why not use
> them? We all know why. I think if this keeps up, and I see no reason
> for it not too(with the oil companies' and Arab greedcan you say
> jihad in disguise), we will see a flood of small companies offering
> conversions to anything from chicken manure to corn flakes.
>
> BTW. Our new piece of crap Governor just signed a 9.5 cent increase in
> our state gas taxes..highest in the US..again! OH..$6.00
> per carton increase for cigarettes, $6.00 per gallon booze,
> reinitiated the only estate taxes, and a whole lot more. We really
> need that right now!
>
> Sorryhad a senior moment and had to get that out. My fixed income
> will go up about $2.50 a month. Chris, you're rightI will not do
> math in class
>
> Jeff
>
> From: "Ben Ruset" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Subject: Re: RE: Re: [H] Gas prices
>
>
>> A few years ago BMW showed off a 5 series that ran off water. It
>> cracked the water into hydrogen within the car itself.
>>
>> Of course that tech won't ever see the light of day. :(
>>
>>> From: 007 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Date: Wed Aug 17 13:26:05 CDT 2005
>>> To: The Hardware List 
>>> Subject: RE: Re: [H] Gas prices
>>
>>
>>> The most fuel efficient cars use heavy water.
>>>
>>> 007.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Christopher
>>> Fisk
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:16 PM
>>> To: The Hardware List
>>> Subject: Re: Re: [H] Gas prices
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 17 Aug 2005, Ben Ruset wrote:
>>>
 It's funny, though, that the gas companies are posting record profits.
 So I really wonder how much of this is an increase in oil price,
 and how
 much is just an excuse to charge more for gasoline.
>>>
>>>
>>> I look at it this way, assuming that a gas company wants to make 5%
>>> profit
>>> on every gallon of gas, it's in thier interest to have thier costs
>>> go up
>>> 5% because then thier profit goes up too.
>>>
>>> Instead of making 5cents on gas that costs them $1.00 to make they
>>> make 6
>>> cents profit on gas that cost them $1.05 to make (Or similar, you
>>> get my
>>> point =)
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, the gas we have now was made with oil that cost $50/barrel
>>> instead
>>> of oil that cost $65/barrel, yet we're being charged the $65/barrel
>>> price!
>>>
>>>
>>> Christopher Fisk
>>> -- 
>>> I WILL NOT DO MATH IN CLASS
>>> I WILL NOT DO MATH IN CLASS
>>> Lisa Simpson on chalkboard in episode BABF07
>>
>

Re: [H] Gas prices

[Gary Udstrand]

Higher octane needs usually result from higher compression in
performance engines.  This higher compression can result in the fuel
igniting (in the absence of a spark from the plug) before the piston
reaches TDC (well, actually the engine should fire prior to TDC.  It is
just firing earlier than it should in the process).  Retarding the
timing will do nothing to prevent pre-detonation (pinging) in that
case.  Also, higher octane does *not* result in more horsepower.  Octane
represents the resistance of the gas to detonation, the higher the
octane the more resistant the fuel is to detonation.  It does not have
more stored energy.

-Gary



Gary VanderMolen said the following on 8/17/2005 12:13 PM:

> Veech wrote:
>
>> $3.00 + in LA, and I had to buy a car that uses premium!  Wonder how
>> much
>> damage I'll do to run it on regular?
>
>
> Most people don't realize that premium gas is just regular gas
> with some anti-knock compounds added. Modern engines have
> anti-knock sensors, so if you accidentally fill up with gas that is
> lower in octane than your engine requires, the computer will
> retard the timing to take care of it. You won't get all the horse-
> power your engine is rated for, but there should be no damage.
>
> Gary VanderMolen
>
>
>

Re: [H] Gas prices

[Gary Udstrand]

Between $2.49 and $2.69 a gallon at the stations that I drive by on my
way to the office.  Nothing like a $100.00 fill up to start the day.  :-O

-Gary



Thane Sherrington said the following on 8/17/2005 11:14 AM:

> Our gas prices climbed $0.06 per litre yesterday, so we are at $4.27
> US per gallon now.  Just wondering what you're paying down in there.
>
> T
>

[H] SN25P and AMD issues recap

[Gary Udstrand]

As I posted on this forum a week or so ago I I built a SN25P with the
following components:

1) Shuttle SNP25 barebone
2) AMD64 3700+ San Diego
3) 2G of OCZ 184pin DDR400 Unbufferred with Copper Heatspreader
4) Sapphire Raedon X800XL  256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card
5) 74G Raptor SATA150
6) 2x250G Seagate Barracudas SATA150.

I was hoping that this PC would be fast, dependable and reliable.  For
the first couple of weeks I had no issues and everything worked
swimmingly.  Not even a hint of a lockup or a blue screen.  Nothing. 
Then a couple of weeks ago the PC started locking up with no real
pattern, or reason.  As the lock ups became more frequent I became
concerned and when the system started blue screening I started to
suspect a faulty component and/or heat.  As suggested in a previous
thread I ran memtest86 for 72 hours straight and found no memory it
seems to have eliminated memory as the cause.

Since the memory was not an issue I started to look for other causes. 
Taking the cover off I found that the Raptor drive was very hot to the
touch (mounted in the forward drive bay across the top).  Not having a
Raptor in any other system I was unsure if the heat was normal or
excessive.  Either way I thought the air flow would be better in the
rear bay so I went ahead and switched locations with the Barracuda that
was already occupying that slot. 

Following the swap I ran a defrag on the drive and things seemed OK, for
a couple of hours anyway.  It again started with the lock ups and blue
screens.   Since I was getting errors reading system files I ran chkdsk,
which found and repaired some errors.  I decided to re-install the OS
(XP Pro). It took me several tries and reboots to "successfully"
re-install XP.  When it was completed I once again rebooted the system
and things seemed OK.  As before, a couple of hours later the same
problems started occurring.   On a whim I decided to pull the Raptor
(well, disconnect it anyway) and instead install XP on one of the
remaining Barracudas. 

Since doing so the system has been up and running for a couple of days
with no issues.  I have not run any burn in tests (any recommendations?)
on the system but the results are encouraging.  The stability (and even
the performance) has returned and things at this point seem fixed
(fingers crossed).   I am unaware what it is about the drive that may
have caused this issue.  While the system definitely runs warmer with
the Raptor the temps inside the chassis never exceeded 40C and the CPU
never exceeded 50C (according to SpeedFan).  I guess it is possible that
the drive itself simply overheated and/or it has a intermittent faulty
component.  Or it could be a Power Supply issue. 

At this point I am planning on RMA'ing the Raptor but I am not sure if I
should put another Raptor in this system or if I should get another
Barracuda and install that in its place.
Could the Raptor be the root cause of the problems or is it more likely
that it is just part of the symptoms?  Is it possible that the cooling
of the SN25P is not substantial enough to have 2 Barracuda and a
Raptor?  PS issue? 

I have seen posts from people who are running Raptors in the SN25P with
success.  I have not however seen anyone else mention whether they had
other drives as well, let alone two Barracudas.  Hopefully I have
corrected the issues with this PC but it would be nice to know if the
installation of another Raptor would cause the issues to return.  If it
is a PS issue I guess another Barracuda would just as easily cause the
same problems.  Any ideas or suggestions would be welcome.

-- 
-Gary

Re: [H] New PC locks up and blue screens all the time

[Gary Udstrand]

I don't remember off hand (I am at the office and the PC is at home).  I
called the wife but she it at the beach with the kids.  I will find out
later this afternoon and post the info.

-Gary



Bobby Heid said the following on 8/5/2005 2:39 PM:

>Also, monitor the temps.  What does the blue screen say?
>
>Bobby
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harry McGregor
>Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 3:11 PM
>To: The Hardware List
>Subject: Re: [H] New PC locks up and blue screens all the time
>
>
>Go to memtest.org and download the iso, and run a full memtest
>overnight.
>
>I have had a lot of problems with OCZ memory recently, and blue screens
>on modern hardware are almost always hardware/memory related.
>
>
>   Harry
>
>
>On Fri, 2005-08-05 at 13:59 -0500, Gary Udstrand wrote:
>  
>
>>What a crapper.  I built this PC to prevent this exact kind of issue.  :-(
>>
>>In particular I just recently built the following Shuttle PC :
>>
>>1) Shuttle SNP25 barebone
>>2) AMD64 3700+ San Diego
>>3) 2G of OCZ 184pin DDR400 Unbufferred with Copper Heatspreader
>>4) Sapphire Raedon X800XL  256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card
>>5) 74G Raptor SATA150
>>6) 2x250G Seagate Barracudas SATA150.
>>
>>I have installed XP Pro and the suite of Office products.  Since I use
>>this for image editing I have Photoshop, Raw Shooter Essentials,
>>BreezeBrowser Pro, Capture One, Monaco Optix XR Pro and Bibble.  For my
>>browser I have FireFox 1.06.
>>
>>I have no idea what is causing the issue, nor do I have a clue where to
>>start.  I thought it might be a heat issue but as far as I can tell the
>>CPU temp is inline with what it is supposed to be (45-50 C) and the past
>>few days have been drier and cooler than the previous three weeks.  The
>>house is air conditioned and the office is especially cold.  The PC
>>seemed fine for the first couple+ weeks and just recently started this
>>behavior.  I have not installed anything new or additional (I did just
>>calibrate the monitor) prior to this instability. 
>>
>>The first time it started to happen I took the cover off the PC and
>>thought the Raptor drive may be a little hot.  I proceeded to move it
>>into a better ventilated bay and following that it seemed to work OK,
>>for a day and a 1/2.  Now it is doing the same crap again.
>>
>>It seems a stretch that the monitor profile would cause such an issue,
>>or even that an overheated drive would cause the PC to lock up and/or
>>blue screen.   Any ideas?  Where should I start? 
>>
>>*
>>*--
>>-Gary
>>
>>