Re: [H] My PC Build for January
Just wanted to give a shout out to everyone for the suggestions and ideas. Another good lil PC built and a user happy thanks to your ideas, suggestions, and contributions :) On Jan 4, 2008 4:55 PM, DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FORC5, Bought 3 of those last year. Have 2 of them under power as I write this. One in the this machine even! So far, so good. Nice, quiet drives. Happy so far. (and, why I am looking to a NAS..) Best, Duncan At 14:34 01/04/2008 -0700, you wrote: FWIW just built a new system for a customer and used two seagate 160's, mostly because of the warranty ( 5 years ) time will tell. I personally gave up on Maxtor even though I have a couple of old ones still chugging along just fine in a *backup* server. :-| Not sure why, their RMA procedure was always tops. Use to like IBM but with the merge to Hitachi their RMA procedure is lame ( last time I checked NO advance replacement, must send in the drive first ) fp At 01:40 PM 1/4/2008, DHSinclair Poked the stick with: Thanks Francisco, I too have a long history with Seagate. I do know that stuff (rma) changes over time. I suppose that since I have had few failures I have not experienced Seagate's new RMA process. I'll now look at WD. But for now, I am still pro-Seagate for the long term (24/7 operation). Best, Duncan At 11:46 01/04/2008 -0800, you wrote: I've actually had quite the opposite. After loosing my final WD drive last year (Dec) (400gb sata) I have sworn off WD. A buddy of mine also loves to buy WD, raptors for speed, but has had the same type of problem where they just wear out quickly or just go bad. It could be because they tend to run hotter imho. As for my seagates, the oldest one I currently own is from 2001, and it's still humming along just fine. On Jan 3, 2008 12:33 PM, Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd go Western Digital over Seagate. I replaced a lot of dead and dying Seagates, and very few Western Digitals. I only sell WD, and I have a very low failure rate. As an added plus, WD will cross ship and Seagate won't. T At 04:25 PM 03/01/2008, GPL wrote: I have been looking for a hard drive, sata, in the 250-320 gb range. Looking at the following two that were rated customer choice awards: Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822144701 Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822148140 Despite obtaining a customer choice award some of these drives have some bad user feedback that worries me. We dont need to go raptor here, more space is worth more than speed for this build. Should I stay away from these drives? Probably, what might you folks suggest? On Jan 3, 2008 3:22 PM, DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thane, Was not aware of asking tricky questions! Perhaps, I just find myself in tricky situations! (seems like it lately!!!) In any case, in 2008, I'll try to be less tricky :) Remove the card? The AP is on a separate plug-in card? That would do it 4Sure! Will keep doing research. Looking for future spares..which will be whole upgrades, now! Thanks. Best, Duncan At 16:05 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote: Of course you always ask tricky questions. :) According to the manual, you can, although I haven't tested it. I *think* you might be able to remove the card itself. You could, at the verty least, disconnect the antenna, which should make the wireless unusable. T At 03:43 PM 03/01/2008, DHSinclair wrote: Thane, Can the WIFI-AP be disabled in bios? I like the rest of the feature-set, but do not wish to have a wifi rcvr just to use the m/b. I've used asus m/b's since 1999 and like the quality, features and reliability. Best, Duncan At 14:45 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote: At 01:29 PM 03/01/2008, GPL wrote: ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $139.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196 I've used this motherboard a couple of times, and I like it. Seems reliable. T -- -Francisco http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More... -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Overestimation: Thinking that all your geese are swans.
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
Thanks GPL, The collective is king, still! Always happy to help, when I can. Best, Duncan At 17:17 01/13/2008 -0500, you wrote: Just wanted to give a shout out to everyone for the suggestions and ideas. Another good lil PC built and a user happy thanks to your ideas, suggestions, and contributions :) On Jan 4, 2008 4:55 PM, DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FORC5, Bought 3 of those last year. Have 2 of them under power as I write this. One in the this machine even! So far, so good. Nice, quiet drives. Happy so far. (and, why I am looking to a NAS..) Best, Duncan At 14:34 01/04/2008 -0700, you wrote: FWIW just built a new system for a customer and used two seagate 160's, mostly because of the warranty ( 5 years ) time will tell. I personally gave up on Maxtor even though I have a couple of old ones still chugging along just fine in a *backup* server. :-| Not sure why, their RMA procedure was always tops. Use to like IBM but with the merge to Hitachi their RMA procedure is lame ( last time I checked NO advance replacement, must send in the drive first ) fp At 01:40 PM 1/4/2008, DHSinclair Poked the stick with: Thanks Francisco, I too have a long history with Seagate. I do know that stuff (rma) changes over time. I suppose that since I have had few failures I have not experienced Seagate's new RMA process. I'll now look at WD. But for now, I am still pro-Seagate for the long term (24/7 operation). Best, Duncan At 11:46 01/04/2008 -0800, you wrote: I've actually had quite the opposite. After loosing my final WD drive last year (Dec) (400gb sata) I have sworn off WD. A buddy of mine also loves to buy WD, raptors for speed, but has had the same type of problem where they just wear out quickly or just go bad. It could be because they tend to run hotter imho. As for my seagates, the oldest one I currently own is from 2001, and it's still humming along just fine. On Jan 3, 2008 12:33 PM, Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd go Western Digital over Seagate. I replaced a lot of dead and dying Seagates, and very few Western Digitals. I only sell WD, and I have a very low failure rate. As an added plus, WD will cross ship and Seagate won't. T At 04:25 PM 03/01/2008, GPL wrote: I have been looking for a hard drive, sata, in the 250-320 gb range. Looking at the following two that were rated customer choice awards: Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822144701 Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822148140 Despite obtaining a customer choice award some of these drives have some bad user feedback that worries me. We dont need to go raptor here, more space is worth more than speed for this build. Should I stay away from these drives? Probably, what might you folks suggest? On Jan 3, 2008 3:22 PM, DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thane, Was not aware of asking tricky questions! Perhaps, I just find myself in tricky situations! (seems like it lately!!!) In any case, in 2008, I'll try to be less tricky :) Remove the card? The AP is on a separate plug-in card? That would do it 4Sure! Will keep doing research. Looking for future spares..which will be whole upgrades, now! Thanks. Best, Duncan At 16:05 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote: Of course you always ask tricky questions. :) According to the manual, you can, although I haven't tested it. I *think* you might be able to remove the card itself. You could, at the verty least, disconnect the antenna, which should make the wireless unusable. T At 03:43 PM 03/01/2008, DHSinclair wrote: Thane, Can the WIFI-AP be disabled in bios? I like the rest of the feature-set, but do not wish to have a wifi rcvr just to use the m/b. I've used asus m/b's since 1999 and like the quality, features and reliability. Best, Duncan At 14:45 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote: At 01:29 PM 03/01/2008, GPL wrote: ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $139.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168131 31196 I've used this motherboard a couple of times, and I like it. Seems reliable. T -- -Francisco http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More... -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Overestimation: Thinking that all your geese are swans.
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
At 07:29 PM 03/01/2008, Greg Sevart wrote: I really like WD. Excepting the awful new Green Power line, I (1) like their What's wrong with the Green Power line? I haven't used any. drives, (2) have been satisfied with their reliability _for me_ (emphasis added; frankly, unless you're dealing with hundreds or thousands of drives a year, your sample size is too small to mean jack), and (3) love their return I probably handle 100 to 120 a year, and I find the WDs more reliable than anything else. T
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
At 04:40 PM 03/01/2008, GPL wrote: Are these the components you mentioned? ENERMAX Liberty ELT620AWT ATX12V 620W Power Supply 90V~265V (Auto Adjusted) UL, cUL, TUV, CB - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817194004 Yeah, this is the PS. Do you have a particular pioneer dvdrw product in mind? I've had good luck with the DVR-115, but there is a SATA one (DVR-212?) which is probably worth getting now. T
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
At 04:41 PM 03/01/2008, Brian Weeden wrote: Honestly, I would just go with whichever HD maker had the longest warranty and backup my data regularly. The problem is that Seagate HDs take about two weeks to get replaced under warranty and WD takes about three days to ship you an advanced replacement. T
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 7:36 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] My PC Build for January At 07:29 PM 03/01/2008, Greg Sevart wrote: I really like WD. Excepting the awful new Green Power line, I (1) like their What's wrong with the Green Power line? I haven't used any. They're all green, no power. They aren't 7200rpm. (WD is rather vague on the RPM, stating between 5400 and 7200rpm, leading some to believe that they may be variable RPM. They aren't--each model within the GP line is fixed--but it seems that most (all?) of them so far are 5400rpm drives.) It's great for a hard drive to be power sipping and run quiet and cool (and in this the GP does excel greatly), but I am absolutely unwilling to sacrifice performance. They're markedly slower than previous generation drives (7500AAKS, 5000AAKS, etc). Even the RE version of the drive looks to provide lackluster performance. So unless WD bothers to release a non-GP edition of their newer drives (1.0TB and up), I'm done with them. Greg
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
also they charge for advance replacement At 02:56 AM 1/4/2008, Thane Sherrington Poked the stick with: At 04:41 PM 03/01/2008, Brian Weeden wrote: Honestly, I would just go with whichever HD maker had the longest warranty and backup my data regularly. The problem is that Seagate HDs take about two weeks to get replaced under warranty and WD takes about three days to ship you an advanced replacement. T -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Love is blind, to everything except fat.
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
I can't put into words how much I enjoy a quiet PC. My old ones were so loud that I don't think I realized how much they bothered me until I learned how quiet one could be. It's now a true joy to listen to music, watch a DVD or TV show, or even play a game with no PC fan noise or HD noise. Watch out for DVD drives, too, because some get really noisy when they spin up. GPL wrote: Thanks for the link to the silent preview website. I didnt have that and its great! Yes -- I don't think SLI is in the plan for the future. The 120MM fans they reviewed were not on newegg. But I did find a flavor of what they tested: Scythe S-FLEX SFF21E 120mm Case Fan - Retail $14.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185005 How do you guys feel about these higher end fans? We would like our build to be quiet. Me chieftec tower has 4 $5 fans blowing and now that I notice, I wouldnt mind if they were more quiet. On Jan 3, 2008 6:29 PM, Greg Sevart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They don't. I've had 3 drives (out of probably 25 or 30 total ordered from them) packaged in this way arrive dead. Try returning a drive to any HD manufacturer in that packaging...bet the warranty will be invalidated. I, too, generally buy drives from ZZF due to their excellent foam HD enclosure packaging. I really like WD. Excepting the awful new Green Power line, I (1) like their drives, (2) have been satisfied with their reliability _for me_ (emphasis added; frankly, unless you're dealing with hundreds or thousands of drives a year, your sample size is too small to mean jack), and (3) love their return policy. They willingly cross-ship without a fee (just a standard hold) and generally process things in a timely and efficient manner. Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 4:04 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] My PC Build for January I DO NOT like the way that NewEgg packages their oem drives for shipment. A couple wraps of bubble wrap and thrown in a box with styrofoam. I switched to Zip Zoom Fly for hard drives due to their full styrofoam box for the hard drive. Just my experience. YMMV. I bought two OEM returned drives from these that were packaged this way. I wasn't very impressed, I admit, but both drives seem to be working just fine. Perhaps they know more about packaging and shipping parts than I do.
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
At 09:25 AM 04/01/2008, Greg Sevart wrote: They're all green, no power. They aren't 7200rpm. (WD is rather vague on the RPM, stating between 5400 and 7200rpm, leading some to believe that they may be variable RPM. They aren't--each model within the GP line is fixed--but it seems that most (all?) of them so far are 5400rpm drives.) It's great for a hard drive to be power sipping and run quiet and cool (and in this the GP does excel greatly), but I am absolutely unwilling to sacrifice performance. They're markedly slower than previous generation drives (7500AAKS, 5000AAKS, etc). Even the RE version of the drive looks to provide lackluster performance. So unless WD bothers to release a non-GP edition of their newer drives (1.0TB and up), I'm done with them. Well that's too bad. I'm all for power saving (although I'm not convinced the HD is the primary power guzzler in today's computer or home) but I agree that I'm not going to take a major performance hit for it. T
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
I've actually had quite the opposite. After loosing my final WD drive last year (Dec) (400gb sata) I have sworn off WD. A buddy of mine also loves to buy WD, raptors for speed, but has had the same type of problem where they just wear out quickly or just go bad. It could be because they tend to run hotter imho. As for my seagates, the oldest one I currently own is from 2001, and it's still humming along just fine. On Jan 3, 2008 12:33 PM, Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd go Western Digital over Seagate. I replaced a lot of dead and dying Seagates, and very few Western Digitals. I only sell WD, and I have a very low failure rate. As an added plus, WD will cross ship and Seagate won't. T At 04:25 PM 03/01/2008, GPL wrote: I have been looking for a hard drive, sata, in the 250-320 gb range. Looking at the following two that were rated customer choice awards: Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822144701 Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822148140 Despite obtaining a customer choice award some of these drives have some bad user feedback that worries me. We dont need to go raptor here, more space is worth more than speed for this build. Should I stay away from these drives? Probably, what might you folks suggest? On Jan 3, 2008 3:22 PM, DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thane, Was not aware of asking tricky questions! Perhaps, I just find myself in tricky situations! (seems like it lately!!!) In any case, in 2008, I'll try to be less tricky :) Remove the card? The AP is on a separate plug-in card? That would do it 4Sure! Will keep doing research. Looking for future spares..which will be whole upgrades, now! Thanks. Best, Duncan At 16:05 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote: Of course you always ask tricky questions. :) According to the manual, you can, although I haven't tested it. I *think* you might be able to remove the card itself. You could, at the verty least, disconnect the antenna, which should make the wireless unusable. T At 03:43 PM 03/01/2008, DHSinclair wrote: Thane, Can the WIFI-AP be disabled in bios? I like the rest of the feature-set, but do not wish to have a wifi rcvr just to use the m/b. I've used asus m/b's since 1999 and like the quality, features and reliability. Best, Duncan At 14:45 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote: At 01:29 PM 03/01/2008, GPL wrote: ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $139.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196 I've used this motherboard a couple of times, and I like it. Seems reliable. T -- -Francisco http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
Like I said before, the sample sizes most of us work with are utterly irrelevant. My Seagate drives (7200.9, 7200.10) generally run hotter than my WDs, and have had a higher failure rate (especially those pre-7200.9). But, for my part, I discount my experience when someone asks which drive is the most reliable because I appreciate the fact that my sample size is too limited to be applied generally. Frankly, I find myself buying more and more based on support experiences. I've had excellent experiences dealing with WD returns/support, so that's a preferred manufacturer for me. Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:47 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] My PC Build for January I've actually had quite the opposite. After loosing my final WD drive last year (Dec) (400gb sata) I have sworn off WD. A buddy of mine also loves to buy WD, raptors for speed, but has had the same type of problem where they just wear out quickly or just go bad. It could be because they tend to run hotter imho. As for my seagates, the oldest one I currently own is from 2001, and it's still humming along just fine. On Jan 3, 2008 12:33 PM, Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd go Western Digital over Seagate. I replaced a lot of dead and dying Seagates, and very few Western Digitals. I only sell WD, and I have a very low failure rate. As an added plus, WD will cross ship and Seagate won't. T
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
What sort of sample size are you dealing with? T At 03:46 PM 04/01/2008, Francisco Tapia wrote: I've actually had quite the opposite. After loosing my final WD drive last year (Dec) (400gb sata) I have sworn off WD. A buddy of mine also loves to buy WD, raptors for speed, but has had the same type of problem where they just wear out quickly or just go bad. It could be because they tend to run hotter imho. As for my seagates, the oldest one I currently own is from 2001, and it's still humming along just fine. On Jan 3, 2008 12:33 PM, Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd go Western Digital over Seagate. I replaced a lot of dead and dying Seagates, and very few Western Digitals. I only sell WD, and I have a very low failure rate. As an added plus, WD will cross ship and Seagate won't. T At 04:25 PM 03/01/2008, GPL wrote: I have been looking for a hard drive, sata, in the 250-320 gb range. Looking at the following two that were rated customer choice awards: Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822144701 Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822148140 Despite obtaining a customer choice award some of these drives have some bad user feedback that worries me. We dont need to go raptor here, more space is worth more than speed for this build. Should I stay away from these drives? Probably, what might you folks suggest? On Jan 3, 2008 3:22 PM, DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thane, Was not aware of asking tricky questions! Perhaps, I just find myself in tricky situations! (seems like it lately!!!) In any case, in 2008, I'll try to be less tricky :) Remove the card? The AP is on a separate plug-in card? That would do it 4Sure! Will keep doing research. Looking for future spares..which will be whole upgrades, now! Thanks. Best, Duncan At 16:05 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote: Of course you always ask tricky questions. :) According to the manual, you can, although I haven't tested it. I *think* you might be able to remove the card itself. You could, at the verty least, disconnect the antenna, which should make the wireless unusable. T At 03:43 PM 03/01/2008, DHSinclair wrote: Thane, Can the WIFI-AP be disabled in bios? I like the rest of the feature-set, but do not wish to have a wifi rcvr just to use the m/b. I've used asus m/b's since 1999 and like the quality, features and reliability. Best, Duncan At 14:45 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote: At 01:29 PM 03/01/2008, GPL wrote: ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $139.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196 I've used this motherboard a couple of times, and I like it. Seems reliable. T -- -Francisco http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More...
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
Greg, Thank you for your honest remark about 'small sample size.' I've waited years for this to float to the surface of our discussions. This is an important metric when we generally, freely bash the major suppliers. I do understand that all of us have our favs. This is quite normal. You like WD, I like Seagate. Nice. And? Yes, as I get older and more cost aware, I look to our List for ways to avoid getting screwed. Please do not stop sharing your experiences. We all do what we can do at the time we do it, I think. I mean no disrespect to those on the List that are 'In-the-biz.' I know that you have options that I, as a pure retail-monkey do not. I can live with this. I have since 1995! Thanks Greg. Great post! Best, Duncan At 14:50 01/04/2008 -0600, you wrote: Like I said before, the sample sizes most of us work with are utterly irrelevant. My Seagate drives (7200.9, 7200.10) generally run hotter than my WDs, and have had a higher failure rate (especially those pre-7200.9). But, for my part, I discount my experience when someone asks which drive is the most reliable because I appreciate the fact that my sample size is too limited to be applied generally. Frankly, I find myself buying more and more based on support experiences. I've had excellent experiences dealing with WD returns/support, so that's a preferred manufacturer for me. Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Francisco Tapia Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:47 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] My PC Build for January I've actually had quite the opposite. After loosing my final WD drive last year (Dec) (400gb sata) I have sworn off WD. A buddy of mine also loves to buy WD, raptors for speed, but has had the same type of problem where they just wear out quickly or just go bad. It could be because they tend to run hotter imho. As for my seagates, the oldest one I currently own is from 2001, and it's still humming along just fine. On Jan 3, 2008 12:33 PM, Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd go Western Digital over Seagate. I replaced a lot of dead and dying Seagates, and very few Western Digitals. I only sell WD, and I have a very low failure rate. As an added plus, WD will cross ship and Seagate won't. T
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
FWIW just built a new system for a customer and used two seagate 160's, mostly because of the warranty ( 5 years ) time will tell. I personally gave up on Maxtor even though I have a couple of old ones still chugging along just fine in a *backup* server. :-| Not sure why, their RMA procedure was always tops. Use to like IBM but with the merge to Hitachi their RMA procedure is lame ( last time I checked NO advance replacement, must send in the drive first ) fp At 01:40 PM 1/4/2008, DHSinclair Poked the stick with: Thanks Francisco, I too have a long history with Seagate. I do know that stuff (rma) changes over time. I suppose that since I have had few failures I have not experienced Seagate's new RMA process. I'll now look at WD. But for now, I am still pro-Seagate for the long term (24/7 operation). Best, Duncan At 11:46 01/04/2008 -0800, you wrote: I've actually had quite the opposite. After loosing my final WD drive last year (Dec) (400gb sata) I have sworn off WD. A buddy of mine also loves to buy WD, raptors for speed, but has had the same type of problem where they just wear out quickly or just go bad. It could be because they tend to run hotter imho. As for my seagates, the oldest one I currently own is from 2001, and it's still humming along just fine. On Jan 3, 2008 12:33 PM, Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd go Western Digital over Seagate. I replaced a lot of dead and dying Seagates, and very few Western Digitals. I only sell WD, and I have a very low failure rate. As an added plus, WD will cross ship and Seagate won't. T At 04:25 PM 03/01/2008, GPL wrote: I have been looking for a hard drive, sata, in the 250-320 gb range. Looking at the following two that were rated customer choice awards: Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822144701 Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822148140 Despite obtaining a customer choice award some of these drives have some bad user feedback that worries me. We dont need to go raptor here, more space is worth more than speed for this build. Should I stay away from these drives? Probably, what might you folks suggest? On Jan 3, 2008 3:22 PM, DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thane, Was not aware of asking tricky questions! Perhaps, I just find myself in tricky situations! (seems like it lately!!!) In any case, in 2008, I'll try to be less tricky :) Remove the card? The AP is on a separate plug-in card? That would do it 4Sure! Will keep doing research. Looking for future spares..which will be whole upgrades, now! Thanks. Best, Duncan At 16:05 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote: Of course you always ask tricky questions. :) According to the manual, you can, although I haven't tested it. I *think* you might be able to remove the card itself. You could, at the verty least, disconnect the antenna, which should make the wireless unusable. T At 03:43 PM 03/01/2008, DHSinclair wrote: Thane, Can the WIFI-AP be disabled in bios? I like the rest of the feature-set, but do not wish to have a wifi rcvr just to use the m/b. I've used asus m/b's since 1999 and like the quality, features and reliability. Best, Duncan At 14:45 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote: At 01:29 PM 03/01/2008, GPL wrote: ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $139.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196 I've used this motherboard a couple of times, and I like it. Seems reliable. T -- -Francisco http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More... -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Overestimation: Thinking that all your geese are swans.
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
FORC5, Bought 3 of those last year. Have 2 of them under power as I write this. One in the this machine even! So far, so good. Nice, quiet drives. Happy so far. (and, why I am looking to a NAS..) Best, Duncan At 14:34 01/04/2008 -0700, you wrote: FWIW just built a new system for a customer and used two seagate 160's, mostly because of the warranty ( 5 years ) time will tell. I personally gave up on Maxtor even though I have a couple of old ones still chugging along just fine in a *backup* server. :-| Not sure why, their RMA procedure was always tops. Use to like IBM but with the merge to Hitachi their RMA procedure is lame ( last time I checked NO advance replacement, must send in the drive first ) fp At 01:40 PM 1/4/2008, DHSinclair Poked the stick with: Thanks Francisco, I too have a long history with Seagate. I do know that stuff (rma) changes over time. I suppose that since I have had few failures I have not experienced Seagate's new RMA process. I'll now look at WD. But for now, I am still pro-Seagate for the long term (24/7 operation). Best, Duncan At 11:46 01/04/2008 -0800, you wrote: I've actually had quite the opposite. After loosing my final WD drive last year (Dec) (400gb sata) I have sworn off WD. A buddy of mine also loves to buy WD, raptors for speed, but has had the same type of problem where they just wear out quickly or just go bad. It could be because they tend to run hotter imho. As for my seagates, the oldest one I currently own is from 2001, and it's still humming along just fine. On Jan 3, 2008 12:33 PM, Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd go Western Digital over Seagate. I replaced a lot of dead and dying Seagates, and very few Western Digitals. I only sell WD, and I have a very low failure rate. As an added plus, WD will cross ship and Seagate won't. T At 04:25 PM 03/01/2008, GPL wrote: I have been looking for a hard drive, sata, in the 250-320 gb range. Looking at the following two that were rated customer choice awards: Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822144701 Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822148140 Despite obtaining a customer choice award some of these drives have some bad user feedback that worries me. We dont need to go raptor here, more space is worth more than speed for this build. Should I stay away from these drives? Probably, what might you folks suggest? On Jan 3, 2008 3:22 PM, DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thane, Was not aware of asking tricky questions! Perhaps, I just find myself in tricky situations! (seems like it lately!!!) In any case, in 2008, I'll try to be less tricky :) Remove the card? The AP is on a separate plug-in card? That would do it 4Sure! Will keep doing research. Looking for future spares..which will be whole upgrades, now! Thanks. Best, Duncan At 16:05 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote: Of course you always ask tricky questions. :) According to the manual, you can, although I haven't tested it. I *think* you might be able to remove the card itself. You could, at the verty least, disconnect the antenna, which should make the wireless unusable. T At 03:43 PM 03/01/2008, DHSinclair wrote: Thane, Can the WIFI-AP be disabled in bios? I like the rest of the feature-set, but do not wish to have a wifi rcvr just to use the m/b. I've used asus m/b's since 1999 and like the quality, features and reliability. Best, Duncan At 14:45 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote: At 01:29 PM 03/01/2008, GPL wrote: ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $139.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196 I've used this motherboard a couple of times, and I like it. Seems reliable. T -- -Francisco http://sqlthis.blogspot.com | Tsql and More... -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Overestimation: Thinking that all your geese are swans.
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
Among the Gigabyte boards, I picked this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128064 Not that those two are bad, but they has serial and LPT ports (ancient tech) and no external SATA and fewer USB ports. Adding an external SATA HD (faster than USB2.0) might be good for extra storage and/or backup. Getting a bit slower processor but a more capable (ie, useful) mobo might be a good tradeoff. No comment on the Asus or Abit. GPL wrote: So far, looking and reviewing these boards, if anyone has anything to add as I review these I would appreciate: GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $99.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128059 GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3R LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $126.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128050 ABIT IP35 LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $129.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813127029 ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $139.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196 I am starting to wonder if the E6850 is worth the price difference over the 6750. 333MHz for $90 more? Hm have to see how the budget works. He'll go all the way to it if we still have room. On Jan 2, 2008 11:06 AM, Anthony Q. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :) I see. I often have to fight myself when advising others on building PCs for themselves. Most of the time, they are happy with stuff I wouldn't even consider for me. GPL wrote: Anthony, its one of those things where the serious gamer is assembling someone elses PC, and thinking ahead at the what ifs! Brian, thanks I'll head there now to check those articles. On Jan 2, 2008 10:11 AM, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are going Intel I have heard the P35 chipsets are really nice. I like this one: http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3169 You might want to check this article for which boards will be compatible with the 45nm Penryn and quad cores coming out over the next year for upgrade compatibility: http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3138 On Jan 2, 2008 8:50 AM, GPL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probabaly going to order this tomorrow night. The dual core 6850 will do fine. We'll put 2GB of ram in it too, its going on XP. How about motherboards? Can you offer a recommendation? We might SLI it in the future with another 8800 so the option would be nice. On Jan 1, 2008 12:49 PM, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been pondering the same question and here's what I have come up with based on the big analysis Anandtech did on the dual vs quad core issue. Dual core - lots of software (and games) can use both cores, better chance of a higher overclock, more efficient power usage Quad core - most audio/video/image editing can use all 4 cores, good for virutalization and heavy multitaskers, less chance of a good overclock, extra cores use power, most games can't use all 4 cores. So basically, if you have programs now that can take advantage of all 4 cores then it's a no brainer. But if you can't take advantage of them then dual core is the way to go. On Jan 1, 2008 11:11 AM, GPL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Discussing our CPU options for what we want to spend we have looked at the C2D E6600 E6850, but also the C2Q Q6600 since its the same price as the E6850. Whats your feeling on jumping to a quad in this build? In some of the tests I have seen they are close at times. This will be an every day system, but will need to handle its own in gaming. User is not a super hard core gamer but a gamer none the less and will probabaly have this computer for more than 2-3 years. (His last hit 5!) Below are some specs from newegg.com: $229.99 Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115003 $274.99 Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Conroe 3.0GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115028 $274.99 Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017 I think for VIDEO CARD we are going with the GeForce 8800 GT 512 MB Card as of right now. On Dec 31, 2007 3:32 PM, GPL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your feedback. you have given me a memory jogger on some more things to look into. I hate that I only get to build one or two systems a year and seem like I fall out of the know easily. if I ever had the opportunity to work with a system builder I might just take it. LOL. I have have a gigabyte and have had no issues with it. I was thinking of just getting another one for this build. Ill be back tonight to do
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So far, looking and reviewing these boards, if anyone has anything to add as I review these I would appreciate: GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $99.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128059 GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3R LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $126.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128050 ABIT IP35 LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $129.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813127029 ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $139.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196 I am starting to wonder if the E6850 is worth the price difference over the 6750. 333MHz for $90 more? Hm have to see how the budget works. He'll go all the way to it if we still have room. On Jan 2, 2008 11:06 AM, Anthony Q. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :) I see. I often have to fight myself when advising others on building PCs for themselves. Most of the time, they are happy with stuff I wouldn't even consider for me. GPL wrote: Anthony, its one of those things where the serious gamer is assembling someone elses PC, and thinking ahead at the what ifs! Brian, thanks I'll head there now to check those articles. On Jan 2, 2008 10:11 AM, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are going Intel I have heard the P35 chipsets are really nice. I like this one: http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3169 You might want to check this article for which boards will be compatible with the 45nm Penryn and quad cores coming out over the next year for upgrade compatibility: http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3138 On Jan 2, 2008 8:50 AM, GPL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probabaly going to order this tomorrow night. The dual core 6850 will do fine. We'll put 2GB of ram in it too, its going on XP. How about motherboards? Can you offer a recommendation? We might SLI it in the future with another 8800 so the option would be nice. On Jan 1, 2008 12:49 PM, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been pondering the same question and here's what I have come up with based on the big analysis Anandtech did on the dual vs quad core issue. Dual core - lots of software (and games) can use both cores, better chance of a higher overclock, more efficient power usage Quad core - most audio/video/image editing can use all 4 cores, good for virutalization and heavy multitaskers, less chance of a good overclock, extra cores use power, most games can't use all 4 cores. So basically, if you have programs now that can take advantage of all 4 cores then it's a no brainer. But if you can't take advantage of them then dual core is the way to go. On Jan 1, 2008 11:11 AM, GPL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Discussing our CPU options for what we want to spend we have looked at the C2D E6600 E6850, but also the C2Q Q6600 since its the same price as the E6850. Whats your feeling on jumping to a quad in this build? In some of the tests I have seen they are close at times. This will be an every day system, but will need to handle its own in gaming. User is not a super hard core gamer but a gamer none the less and will probabaly have this computer for more than 2-3 years. (His last hit 5!) Below are some specs from newegg.com: $229.99 Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115003 $274.99 Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Conroe 3.0GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115028 $274.99 Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017 I think for VIDEO CARD we are going with the GeForce 8800 GT 512 MB Card as of right now. On Dec 31, 2007 3:32 PM, GPL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your feedback. you have given me a memory jogger on some more things to look into. I hate that I only get to build one or two systems a year and seem like I fall out of the know easily. if I ever had the opportunity to work with a system builder I might just take it. LOL. I have have a gigabyte and have had no issues with it. I was thinking of just getting another one for this build. Ill be back tonight to do some more research. sitting in car right now while my wife runs into JUST ONE MORE STORE! Yeah been one of those days. Thank goodness for web enabled smart phones! On 12/31/07, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me neither but Newegg doesn't ship to Canada, and neither does Mwave or geeks.com. Unfortunately, I think Tigerdirect has a lock on the
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At 01:29 PM 03/01/2008, GPL wrote: ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $139.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196 I've used this motherboard a couple of times, and I like it. Seems reliable. T
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Thane, Can the WIFI-AP be disabled in bios? I like the rest of the feature-set, but do not wish to have a wifi rcvr just to use the m/b. I've used asus m/b's since 1999 and like the quality, features and reliability. Best, Duncan At 14:45 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote: At 01:29 PM 03/01/2008, GPL wrote: ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $139.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196 I've used this motherboard a couple of times, and I like it. Seems reliable. T
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Of course you always ask tricky questions. :) According to the manual, you can, although I haven't tested it. I *think* you might be able to remove the card itself. You could, at the verty least, disconnect the antenna, which should make the wireless unusable. T At 03:43 PM 03/01/2008, DHSinclair wrote: Thane, Can the WIFI-AP be disabled in bios? I like the rest of the feature-set, but do not wish to have a wifi rcvr just to use the m/b. I've used asus m/b's since 1999 and like the quality, features and reliability. Best, Duncan At 14:45 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote: At 01:29 PM 03/01/2008, GPL wrote: ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $139.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196 I've used this motherboard a couple of times, and I like it. Seems reliable. T
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
Thane, Was not aware of asking tricky questions! Perhaps, I just find myself in tricky situations! (seems like it lately!!!) In any case, in 2008, I'll try to be less tricky :) Remove the card? The AP is on a separate plug-in card? That would do it 4Sure! Will keep doing research. Looking for future spares..which will be whole upgrades, now! Thanks. Best, Duncan At 16:05 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote: Of course you always ask tricky questions. :) According to the manual, you can, although I haven't tested it. I *think* you might be able to remove the card itself. You could, at the verty least, disconnect the antenna, which should make the wireless unusable. T At 03:43 PM 03/01/2008, DHSinclair wrote: Thane, Can the WIFI-AP be disabled in bios? I like the rest of the feature-set, but do not wish to have a wifi rcvr just to use the m/b. I've used asus m/b's since 1999 and like the quality, features and reliability. Best, Duncan At 14:45 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote: At 01:29 PM 03/01/2008, GPL wrote: ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $139.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196 I've used this motherboard a couple of times, and I like it. Seems reliable. T
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I have been looking for a hard drive, sata, in the 250-320 gb range. Looking at the following two that were rated customer choice awards: Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822144701 Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822148140 Despite obtaining a customer choice award some of these drives have some bad user feedback that worries me. We dont need to go raptor here, more space is worth more than speed for this build. Should I stay away from these drives? Probably, what might you folks suggest? On Jan 3, 2008 3:22 PM, DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thane, Was not aware of asking tricky questions! Perhaps, I just find myself in tricky situations! (seems like it lately!!!) In any case, in 2008, I'll try to be less tricky :) Remove the card? The AP is on a separate plug-in card? That would do it 4Sure! Will keep doing research. Looking for future spares..which will be whole upgrades, now! Thanks. Best, Duncan At 16:05 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote: Of course you always ask tricky questions. :) According to the manual, you can, although I haven't tested it. I *think* you might be able to remove the card itself. You could, at the verty least, disconnect the antenna, which should make the wireless unusable. T At 03:43 PM 03/01/2008, DHSinclair wrote: Thane, Can the WIFI-AP be disabled in bios? I like the rest of the feature-set, but do not wish to have a wifi rcvr just to use the m/b. I've used asus m/b's since 1999 and like the quality, features and reliability. Best, Duncan At 14:45 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote: At 01:29 PM 03/01/2008, GPL wrote: ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $139.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196 I've used this motherboard a couple of times, and I like it. Seems reliable. T
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You know, at this point, I should put it down on screen so you all can see, even if it is edited some more along the way. Here is what we are looking at thus far and we are still just under budget which is nice. Everything from newegg so far except for the case which we like is from tiger. If they had the same one at newegg we would get it from there. Do you think the power supply is enough? Should I do anything with the ram I selected? Anything stand out to you folks that I may need to re-look at. Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Conroe 3.0GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail $279.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115028 ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $139.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196 CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail $77.00 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145034 EVGA 512-P3-N802-AR GeForce 8800GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail $289.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130319 Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM $84.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148140 PLEXTOR Black 18X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 18X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache ATAPI DVD Burner With Replaceable Beige Bezel - Retail $69.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827249018 CORSAIR CMPSU-520HX ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 520W Power Supply 100 - 240 V UL, CUL, CE, CB, FCC Class B, TUV, CCC, C-tick - Retail $124.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139001 Ultra Black Aluminus ATX Mid-Tower Case with Clear Side, Front USB, Firewire and Audio Ports - $69.99 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?Sku=ULT31824 On Jan 3, 2008 3:25 PM, GPL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been looking for a hard drive, sata, in the 250-320 gb range. Looking at the following two that were rated customer choice awards: Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822144701 Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822148140 Despite obtaining a customer choice award some of these drives have some bad user feedback that worries me. We dont need to go raptor here, more space is worth more than speed for this build. Should I stay away from these drives? Probably, what might you folks suggest? On Jan 3, 2008 3:22 PM, DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thane, Was not aware of asking tricky questions! Perhaps, I just find myself in tricky situations! (seems like it lately!!!) In any case, in 2008, I'll try to be less tricky :) Remove the card? The AP is on a separate plug-in card? That would do it 4Sure! Will keep doing research. Looking for future spares..which will be whole upgrades, now! Thanks. Best, Duncan At 16:05 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote: Of course you always ask tricky questions. :) According to the manual, you can, although I haven't tested it. I *think* you might be able to remove the card itself. You could, at the verty least, disconnect the antenna, which should make the wireless unusable. T At 03:43 PM 03/01/2008, DHSinclair wrote: Thane, Can the WIFI-AP be disabled in bios? I like the rest of the feature-set, but do not wish to have a wifi rcvr just to use the m/b. I've used asus m/b's since 1999 and like the quality, features and reliability. Best, Duncan At 14:45 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote: At 01:29 PM 03/01/2008, GPL wrote: ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $139.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196 I've used this motherboard a couple of times, and I like it. Seems reliable. T
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At 04:22 PM 03/01/2008, DHSinclair wrote: Thane, Was not aware of asking tricky questions! Perhaps, I just find myself in tricky situations! (seems like it lately!!!) In any case, in 2008, I'll try to be less tricky :) Remove the card? The AP is on a separate plug-in card? That would do it 4Sure! Will keep doing research. Looking for future spares..which will be whole upgrades, now! It's a mini card and I didn't look closely to see if it's soldered or socketed. The next one I get, I'll check. T
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I'd go Western Digital over Seagate. I replaced a lot of dead and dying Seagates, and very few Western Digitals. I only sell WD, and I have a very low failure rate. As an added plus, WD will cross ship and Seagate won't. T At 04:25 PM 03/01/2008, GPL wrote: I have been looking for a hard drive, sata, in the 250-320 gb range. Looking at the following two that were rated customer choice awards: Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822144701 Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822148140 Despite obtaining a customer choice award some of these drives have some bad user feedback that worries me. We dont need to go raptor here, more space is worth more than speed for this build. Should I stay away from these drives? Probably, what might you folks suggest? On Jan 3, 2008 3:22 PM, DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thane, Was not aware of asking tricky questions! Perhaps, I just find myself in tricky situations! (seems like it lately!!!) In any case, in 2008, I'll try to be less tricky :) Remove the card? The AP is on a separate plug-in card? That would do it 4Sure! Will keep doing research. Looking for future spares..which will be whole upgrades, now! Thanks. Best, Duncan At 16:05 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote: Of course you always ask tricky questions. :) According to the manual, you can, although I haven't tested it. I *think* you might be able to remove the card itself. You could, at the verty least, disconnect the antenna, which should make the wireless unusable. T At 03:43 PM 03/01/2008, DHSinclair wrote: Thane, Can the WIFI-AP be disabled in bios? I like the rest of the feature-set, but do not wish to have a wifi rcvr just to use the m/b. I've used asus m/b's since 1999 and like the quality, features and reliability. Best, Duncan At 14:45 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote: At 01:29 PM 03/01/2008, GPL wrote: ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $139.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196 I've used this motherboard a couple of times, and I like it. Seems reliable. T
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At 04:27 PM 03/01/2008, GPL wrote: case which we like is from tiger. If they had the same one at newegg we would get it from there. Do you think the power supply is enough? I seem to recall you mentioned SLI down the road - why not go with an Enermax 620W? I've had good luck with Enermax. I'd also go Pioneer DVDRW over Plextor. T Should I do anything with the ram I selected? Anything stand out to you folks that I may need to re-look at. Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Conroe 3.0GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail $279.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115028 ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $139.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196 CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail $77.00 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145034 EVGA 512-P3-N802-AR GeForce 8800GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail $289.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130319 Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM $84.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148140 PLEXTOR Black 18X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 18X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache ATAPI DVD Burner With Replaceable Beige Bezel - Retail $69.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827249018 CORSAIR CMPSU-520HX ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 520W Power Supply 100 - 240 V UL, CUL, CE, CB, FCC Class B, TUV, CCC, C-tick - Retail $124.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139001 Ultra Black Aluminus ATX Mid-Tower Case with Clear Side, Front USB, Firewire and Audio Ports - $69.99 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?Sku=ULT31824 On Jan 3, 2008 3:25 PM, GPL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been looking for a hard drive, sata, in the 250-320 gb range. Looking at the following two that were rated customer choice awards: Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822144701 Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822148140 Despite obtaining a customer choice award some of these drives have some bad user feedback that worries me. We dont need to go raptor here, more space is worth more than speed for this build. Should I stay away from these drives? Probably, what might you folks suggest? On Jan 3, 2008 3:22 PM, DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thane, Was not aware of asking tricky questions! Perhaps, I just find myself in tricky situations! (seems like it lately!!!) In any case, in 2008, I'll try to be less tricky :) Remove the card? The AP is on a separate plug-in card? That would do it 4Sure! Will keep doing research. Looking for future spares..which will be whole upgrades, now! Thanks. Best, Duncan At 16:05 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote: Of course you always ask tricky questions. :) According to the manual, you can, although I haven't tested it. I *think* you might be able to remove the card itself. You could, at the verty least, disconnect the antenna, which should make the wireless unusable. T At 03:43 PM 03/01/2008, DHSinclair wrote: Thane, Can the WIFI-AP be disabled in bios? I like the rest of the feature-set, but do not wish to have a wifi rcvr just to use the m/b. I've used asus m/b's since 1999 and like the quality, features and reliability. Best, Duncan At 14:45 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote: At 01:29 PM 03/01/2008, GPL wrote: ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $139.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196 I've used this motherboard a couple of times, and I like it. Seems reliable. T
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I did say SLI, but the more I thought of it the more I didnt see it happening. Are these the components you mentioned? ENERMAX Liberty ELT620AWT ATX12V 620W Power Supply 90V~265V (Auto Adjusted) UL, cUL, TUV, CB - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817194004 Do you have a particular pioneer dvdrw product in mind? On Jan 3, 2008 3:35 PM, Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 04:27 PM 03/01/2008, GPL wrote: case which we like is from tiger. If they had the same one at newegg we would get it from there. Do you think the power supply is enough? I seem to recall you mentioned SLI down the road - why not go with an Enermax 620W? I've had good luck with Enermax. I'd also go Pioneer DVDRW over Plextor. T Should I do anything with the ram I selected? Anything stand out to you folks that I may need to re-look at. Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Conroe 3.0GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail $279.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115028 ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $139.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196 CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail $77.00 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145034 EVGA 512-P3-N802-AR GeForce 8800GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail $289.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130319 Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM $84.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148140 PLEXTOR Black 18X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 18X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache ATAPI DVD Burner With Replaceable Beige Bezel - Retail $69.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827249018 CORSAIR CMPSU-520HX ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 520W Power Supply 100 - 240 V UL, CUL, CE, CB, FCC Class B, TUV, CCC, C-tick - Retail $124.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139001 Ultra Black Aluminus ATX Mid-Tower Case with Clear Side, Front USB, Firewire and Audio Ports - $69.99 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?Sku=ULT31824 On Jan 3, 2008 3:25 PM, GPL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been looking for a hard drive, sata, in the 250-320 gb range. Looking at the following two that were rated customer choice awards: Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822144701 Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822148140 Despite obtaining a customer choice award some of these drives have some bad user feedback that worries me. We dont need to go raptor here, more space is worth more than speed for this build. Should I stay away from these drives? Probably, what might you folks suggest? On Jan 3, 2008 3:22 PM, DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thane, Was not aware of asking tricky questions! Perhaps, I just find myself in tricky situations! (seems like it lately!!!) In any case, in 2008, I'll try to be less tricky :) Remove the card? The AP is on a separate plug-in card? That would do it 4Sure! Will keep doing research. Looking for future spares..which will be whole upgrades, now! Thanks. Best, Duncan At 16:05 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote: Of course you always ask tricky questions. :) According to the manual, you can, although I haven't tested it. I *think* you might be able to remove the card itself. You could, at the verty least, disconnect the antenna, which should make the wireless unusable. T At 03:43 PM 03/01/2008, DHSinclair wrote: Thane, Can the WIFI-AP be disabled in bios? I like the rest of the feature-set, but do not wish to have a wifi rcvr just to use the m/b. I've used asus m/b's since 1999 and like the quality, features and reliability. Best, Duncan At 14:45 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote: At 01:29 PM 03/01/2008, GPL wrote: ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $139.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196 I've used this motherboard a couple of times, and I like it. Seems reliable. T
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
I have been using 8 Seagate 250GB drives (although non-perpendicular ones) in my two machines for the last couple years and have had zero problems (knock on wood). Honestly, I would just go with whichever HD maker had the longest warranty and backup my data regularly. On Jan 3, 2008 3:25 PM, GPL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been looking for a hard drive, sata, in the 250-320 gb range. Looking at the following two that were rated customer choice awards: Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822144701 Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822148140 Despite obtaining a customer choice award some of these drives have some bad user feedback that worries me. We dont need to go raptor here, more space is worth more than speed for this build. Should I stay away from these drives? Probably, what might you folks suggest? On Jan 3, 2008 3:22 PM, DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thane, Was not aware of asking tricky questions! Perhaps, I just find myself in tricky situations! (seems like it lately!!!) In any case, in 2008, I'll try to be less tricky :) Remove the card? The AP is on a separate plug-in card? That would do it 4Sure! Will keep doing research. Looking for future spares..which will be whole upgrades, now! Thanks. Best, Duncan At 16:05 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote: Of course you always ask tricky questions. :) According to the manual, you can, although I haven't tested it. I *think* you might be able to remove the card itself. You could, at the verty least, disconnect the antenna, which should make the wireless unusable. T At 03:43 PM 03/01/2008, DHSinclair wrote: Thane, Can the WIFI-AP be disabled in bios? I like the rest of the feature-set, but do not wish to have a wifi rcvr just to use the m/b. I've used asus m/b's since 1999 and like the quality, features and reliability. Best, Duncan At 14:45 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote: At 01:29 PM 03/01/2008, GPL wrote: ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $139.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196 I've used this motherboard a couple of times, and I like it. Seems reliable. T -- Brian Weeden
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
Looks fine to me. This will be perfectly fine for most people, IMO.
Looks like you moved away from the SLI option in the future, right?
I assume you're going to do a neat build since you got that window in
the case, right? :)
Did you quick for quiet components in terms of HD and PS? Won't hurt to
have quiet if you it doesn't cost you more.
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article692-page5.html -- PS seems good.
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article29-page2.html -- WD SE 16 might be
better, who knows for sure.
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article75-page4.html -- maybe there is an
equivalent priced quiet case here...
Obviously, this quiet stuff {may / may no be} important to your friend
(or you).
GPL wrote:
You know, at this point, I should put it down on screen so you all can
see, even if it is edited some more along the way.
Here is what we are looking at thus far and we are still just under
budget which is nice. Everything from newegg so far except for the
case which we like is from tiger. If they had the same one at newegg
we would get it from there. Do you think the power supply is enough?
Should I do anything with the ram I selected? Anything stand out to
you folks that I may need to re-look at.
Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Conroe 3.0GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W
Dual-Core Processor - Retail $279.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115028
ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $139.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual
Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail $77.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145034
EVGA 512-P3-N802-AR GeForce 8800GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0
HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail $289.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130319
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording
Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
$84.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148140
PLEXTOR Black 18X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 18X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X
DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache ATAPI DVD
Burner With Replaceable Beige Bezel - Retail $69.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827249018
CORSAIR CMPSU-520HX ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 520W Power Supply 100
- 240 V UL, CUL, CE, CB, FCC Class B, TUV, CCC, C-tick - Retail
$124.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139001
Ultra Black Aluminus ATX Mid-Tower Case with Clear Side, Front USB,
Firewire and Audio Ports - $69.99
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?Sku=ULT31824
On Jan 3, 2008 3:25 PM, GPL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have been looking for a hard drive, sata, in the 250-320 gb range.
Looking at the following two that were rated customer choice awards:
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA
3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822144701
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording
Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822148140
Despite obtaining a customer choice award some of these drives have
some bad user feedback that worries me.
We dont need to go raptor here, more space is worth more than speed
for this build. Should I stay away from these drives? Probably, what
might you folks suggest?
On Jan 3, 2008 3:22 PM, DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thane,
Was not aware of asking tricky questions! Perhaps, I just find myself in
tricky situations!
(seems like it lately!!!)
In any case, in 2008, I'll try to be less tricky :)
Remove the card? The AP is on a separate plug-in card? That would do it 4Sure!
Will keep doing research. Looking for future spares..which will be
whole upgrades, now!
Thanks.
Best,
Duncan
At 16:05 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote:
Of course you always ask tricky questions. :) According to the manual,
you can, although I haven't tested it. I *think* you might be able to
remove the card itself. You could, at the verty least, disconnect the
antenna, which should make the wireless unusable.
T
At 03:43 PM 03/01/2008, DHSinclair wrote:
Thane,
Can the WIFI-AP be disabled in bios? I like the rest of the feature-set,
but do not wish to have a wifi rcvr just to use the m/b. I've used asus
m/b's since 1999 and like the quality, features and reliability.
Best,
Duncan
At 14:45 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote:
At 01:29 PM 03/01/2008, GPL wrote:
ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $139.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196
I've used this motherboard a couple of times, and I like it. Seems
reliable.
T
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
-Original Message- From: GPL I have been looking for a hard drive, sata, in the 250-320 gb range. Looking at the following two that were rated customer choice awards: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822148140 I own 5 of these 320 gb seagate drives and one of the NS enterprise variety. They have given good service without a problem. I do not notice any noise, but I am not real picky unless the noise is really obnoxious. I purchased the first pair in August of 2006 and they have been running almost 24/7 since. The NS variety is rated for 24/7 use while the AS variety is not. I DO NOT like the way that NewEgg packages their oem drives for shipment. A couple wraps of bubble wrap and thrown in a box with styrofoam. I switched to Zip Zoom Fly for hard drives due to their full styrofoam box for the hard drive. Just my experience. YMMV. HTH Jim Maki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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TNX. Would really like to know... Best, Duncan At 16:31 01/03/2008 -0400, you wrote: snip It's a mini card and I didn't look closely to see if it's soldered or socketed. The next one I get, I'll check. T
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I DO NOT like the way that NewEgg packages their oem drives for shipment. A couple wraps of bubble wrap and thrown in a box with styrofoam. I switched to Zip Zoom Fly for hard drives due to their full styrofoam box for the hard drive. Just my experience. YMMV. I bought two OEM returned drives from these that were packaged this way. I wasn't very impressed, I admit, but both drives seem to be working just fine. Perhaps they know more about packaging and shipping parts than I do.
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They don't. I've had 3 drives (out of probably 25 or 30 total ordered from them) packaged in this way arrive dead. Try returning a drive to any HD manufacturer in that packaging...bet the warranty will be invalidated. I, too, generally buy drives from ZZF due to their excellent foam HD enclosure packaging. I really like WD. Excepting the awful new Green Power line, I (1) like their drives, (2) have been satisfied with their reliability _for me_ (emphasis added; frankly, unless you're dealing with hundreds or thousands of drives a year, your sample size is too small to mean jack), and (3) love their return policy. They willingly cross-ship without a fee (just a standard hold) and generally process things in a timely and efficient manner. Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 4:04 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] My PC Build for January I DO NOT like the way that NewEgg packages their oem drives for shipment. A couple wraps of bubble wrap and thrown in a box with styrofoam. I switched to Zip Zoom Fly for hard drives due to their full styrofoam box for the hard drive. Just my experience. YMMV. I bought two OEM returned drives from these that were packaged this way. I wasn't very impressed, I admit, but both drives seem to be working just fine. Perhaps they know more about packaging and shipping parts than I do.
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Thanks for the link to the silent preview website. I didnt have that and its great! Yes -- I don't think SLI is in the plan for the future. The 120MM fans they reviewed were not on newegg. But I did find a flavor of what they tested: Scythe S-FLEX SFF21E 120mm Case Fan - Retail $14.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185005 How do you guys feel about these higher end fans? We would like our build to be quiet. Me chieftec tower has 4 $5 fans blowing and now that I notice, I wouldnt mind if they were more quiet. On Jan 3, 2008 6:29 PM, Greg Sevart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They don't. I've had 3 drives (out of probably 25 or 30 total ordered from them) packaged in this way arrive dead. Try returning a drive to any HD manufacturer in that packaging...bet the warranty will be invalidated. I, too, generally buy drives from ZZF due to their excellent foam HD enclosure packaging. I really like WD. Excepting the awful new Green Power line, I (1) like their drives, (2) have been satisfied with their reliability _for me_ (emphasis added; frankly, unless you're dealing with hundreds or thousands of drives a year, your sample size is too small to mean jack), and (3) love their return policy. They willingly cross-ship without a fee (just a standard hold) and generally process things in a timely and efficient manner. Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 4:04 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] My PC Build for January I DO NOT like the way that NewEgg packages their oem drives for shipment. A couple wraps of bubble wrap and thrown in a box with styrofoam. I switched to Zip Zoom Fly for hard drives due to their full styrofoam box for the hard drive. Just my experience. YMMV. I bought two OEM returned drives from these that were packaged this way. I wasn't very impressed, I admit, but both drives seem to be working just fine. Perhaps they know more about packaging and shipping parts than I do.
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The Scythe S-Flex FDB fans are excellent. I have 3 of the 1600rpm models cooling my water radiator. SilenX has a fan out that looks even better... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of GPL Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:20 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] My PC Build for January Thanks for the link to the silent preview website. I didnt have that and its great! Yes -- I don't think SLI is in the plan for the future. The 120MM fans they reviewed were not on newegg. But I did find a flavor of what they tested: Scythe S-FLEX SFF21E 120mm Case Fan - Retail $14.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185005 How do you guys feel about these higher end fans? We would like our build to be quiet. Me chieftec tower has 4 $5 fans blowing and now that I notice, I wouldnt mind if they were more quiet.
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
Probabaly going to order this tomorrow night. The dual core 6850 will do fine. We'll put 2GB of ram in it too, its going on XP. How about motherboards? Can you offer a recommendation? We might SLI it in the future with another 8800 so the option would be nice. On Jan 1, 2008 12:49 PM, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been pondering the same question and here's what I have come up with based on the big analysis Anandtech did on the dual vs quad core issue. Dual core - lots of software (and games) can use both cores, better chance of a higher overclock, more efficient power usage Quad core - most audio/video/image editing can use all 4 cores, good for virutalization and heavy multitaskers, less chance of a good overclock, extra cores use power, most games can't use all 4 cores. So basically, if you have programs now that can take advantage of all 4 cores then it's a no brainer. But if you can't take advantage of them then dual core is the way to go. On Jan 1, 2008 11:11 AM, GPL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Discussing our CPU options for what we want to spend we have looked at the C2D E6600 E6850, but also the C2Q Q6600 since its the same price as the E6850. Whats your feeling on jumping to a quad in this build? In some of the tests I have seen they are close at times. This will be an every day system, but will need to handle its own in gaming. User is not a super hard core gamer but a gamer none the less and will probabaly have this computer for more than 2-3 years. (His last hit 5!) Below are some specs from newegg.com: $229.99 Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115003 $274.99 Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Conroe 3.0GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115028 $274.99 Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017 I think for VIDEO CARD we are going with the GeForce 8800 GT 512 MB Card as of right now. On Dec 31, 2007 3:32 PM, GPL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your feedback. you have given me a memory jogger on some more things to look into. I hate that I only get to build one or two systems a year and seem like I fall out of the know easily. if I ever had the opportunity to work with a system builder I might just take it. LOL. I have have a gigabyte and have had no issues with it. I was thinking of just getting another one for this build. Ill be back tonight to do some more research. sitting in car right now while my wife runs into JUST ONE MORE STORE! Yeah been one of those days. Thank goodness for web enabled smart phones! On 12/31/07, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me neither but Newegg doesn't ship to Canada, and neither does Mwave or geeks.com. Unfortunately, I think Tigerdirect has a lock on the online computer market up here in the Great White North. And there is 15% sales tax on top of their prices :( I'm probably just going to order my parts off Newegg and have them shipped to my parent's place in NY and will pick them up next time through. Only a couple hours away. On Dec 31, 2007 12:33 PM, Joe User [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Brian, Monday, December 31, 2007, 10:51:00 AM, you wrote: Is it just me or does that website not carry Gigabit mobos? I was looking to price my new machine out and they don't have the board I want. Some of the items (RAM and mobo) are more expensive than in the US while other things (CPU and power supplies) are the same. Weird. I've never cared for Tiger Direct. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... -- Brian Weeden -- Brian Weeden
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
That makes him a serious gamer, IMO. GPL wrote: Probabaly going to order this tomorrow night. The dual core 6850 will do fine. We'll put 2GB of ram in it too, its going on XP. How about motherboards? Can you offer a recommendation? We might SLI it in the future with another 8800 so the option would be nice. On Jan 1, 2008 12:49 PM, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been pondering the same question and here's what I have come up with based on the big analysis Anandtech did on the dual vs quad core issue. Dual core - lots of software (and games) can use both cores, better chance of a higher overclock, more efficient power usage Quad core - most audio/video/image editing can use all 4 cores, good for virutalization and heavy multitaskers, less chance of a good overclock, extra cores use power, most games can't use all 4 cores. So basically, if you have programs now that can take advantage of all 4 cores then it's a no brainer. But if you can't take advantage of them then dual core is the way to go. On Jan 1, 2008 11:11 AM, GPL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Discussing our CPU options for what we want to spend we have looked at the C2D E6600 E6850, but also the C2Q Q6600 since its the same price as the E6850. Whats your feeling on jumping to a quad in this build? In some of the tests I have seen they are close at times. This will be an every day system, but will need to handle its own in gaming. User is not a super hard core gamer but a gamer none the less and will probabaly have this computer for more than 2-3 years. (His last hit 5!) Below are some specs from newegg.com: $229.99 Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115003 $274.99 Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Conroe 3.0GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115028 $274.99 Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017 I think for VIDEO CARD we are going with the GeForce 8800 GT 512 MB Card as of right now. On Dec 31, 2007 3:32 PM, GPL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your feedback. you have given me a memory jogger on some more things to look into. I hate that I only get to build one or two systems a year and seem like I fall out of the know easily. if I ever had the opportunity to work with a system builder I might just take it. LOL. I have have a gigabyte and have had no issues with it. I was thinking of just getting another one for this build. Ill be back tonight to do some more research. sitting in car right now while my wife runs into JUST ONE MORE STORE! Yeah been one of those days. Thank goodness for web enabled smart phones! On 12/31/07, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me neither but Newegg doesn't ship to Canada, and neither does Mwave or geeks.com. Unfortunately, I think Tigerdirect has a lock on the online computer market up here in the Great White North. And there is 15% sales tax on top of their prices :( I'm probably just going to order my parts off Newegg and have them shipped to my parent's place in NY and will pick them up next time through. Only a couple hours away. On Dec 31, 2007 12:33 PM, Joe User [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Brian, Monday, December 31, 2007, 10:51:00 AM, you wrote: Is it just me or does that website not carry Gigabit mobos? I was looking to price my new machine out and they don't have the board I want. Some of the items (RAM and mobo) are more expensive than in the US while other things (CPU and power supplies) are the same. Weird. I've never cared for Tiger Direct. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... -- Brian Weeden -- Brian Weeden
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
If you are going Intel I have heard the P35 chipsets are really nice. I like this one: http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3169 You might want to check this article for which boards will be compatible with the 45nm Penryn and quad cores coming out over the next year for upgrade compatibility: http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3138 On Jan 2, 2008 8:50 AM, GPL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probabaly going to order this tomorrow night. The dual core 6850 will do fine. We'll put 2GB of ram in it too, its going on XP. How about motherboards? Can you offer a recommendation? We might SLI it in the future with another 8800 so the option would be nice. On Jan 1, 2008 12:49 PM, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been pondering the same question and here's what I have come up with based on the big analysis Anandtech did on the dual vs quad core issue. Dual core - lots of software (and games) can use both cores, better chance of a higher overclock, more efficient power usage Quad core - most audio/video/image editing can use all 4 cores, good for virutalization and heavy multitaskers, less chance of a good overclock, extra cores use power, most games can't use all 4 cores. So basically, if you have programs now that can take advantage of all 4 cores then it's a no brainer. But if you can't take advantage of them then dual core is the way to go. On Jan 1, 2008 11:11 AM, GPL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Discussing our CPU options for what we want to spend we have looked at the C2D E6600 E6850, but also the C2Q Q6600 since its the same price as the E6850. Whats your feeling on jumping to a quad in this build? In some of the tests I have seen they are close at times. This will be an every day system, but will need to handle its own in gaming. User is not a super hard core gamer but a gamer none the less and will probabaly have this computer for more than 2-3 years. (His last hit 5!) Below are some specs from newegg.com: $229.99 Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115003 $274.99 Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Conroe 3.0GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115028 $274.99 Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017 I think for VIDEO CARD we are going with the GeForce 8800 GT 512 MB Card as of right now. On Dec 31, 2007 3:32 PM, GPL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your feedback. you have given me a memory jogger on some more things to look into. I hate that I only get to build one or two systems a year and seem like I fall out of the know easily. if I ever had the opportunity to work with a system builder I might just take it. LOL. I have have a gigabyte and have had no issues with it. I was thinking of just getting another one for this build. Ill be back tonight to do some more research. sitting in car right now while my wife runs into JUST ONE MORE STORE! Yeah been one of those days. Thank goodness for web enabled smart phones! On 12/31/07, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me neither but Newegg doesn't ship to Canada, and neither does Mwave or geeks.com. Unfortunately, I think Tigerdirect has a lock on the online computer market up here in the Great White North. And there is 15% sales tax on top of their prices :( I'm probably just going to order my parts off Newegg and have them shipped to my parent's place in NY and will pick them up next time through. Only a couple hours away. On Dec 31, 2007 12:33 PM, Joe User [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Brian, Monday, December 31, 2007, 10:51:00 AM, you wrote: Is it just me or does that website not carry Gigabit mobos? I was looking to price my new machine out and they don't have the board I want. Some of the items (RAM and mobo) are more expensive than in the US while other things (CPU and power supplies) are the same. Weird. I've never cared for Tiger Direct. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... -- Brian Weeden -- Brian Weeden -- Brian Weeden
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
Anthony, its one of those things where the serious gamer is assembling someone elses PC, and thinking ahead at the what ifs! Brian, thanks I'll head there now to check those articles. On Jan 2, 2008 10:11 AM, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are going Intel I have heard the P35 chipsets are really nice. I like this one: http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3169 You might want to check this article for which boards will be compatible with the 45nm Penryn and quad cores coming out over the next year for upgrade compatibility: http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3138 On Jan 2, 2008 8:50 AM, GPL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probabaly going to order this tomorrow night. The dual core 6850 will do fine. We'll put 2GB of ram in it too, its going on XP. How about motherboards? Can you offer a recommendation? We might SLI it in the future with another 8800 so the option would be nice. On Jan 1, 2008 12:49 PM, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been pondering the same question and here's what I have come up with based on the big analysis Anandtech did on the dual vs quad core issue. Dual core - lots of software (and games) can use both cores, better chance of a higher overclock, more efficient power usage Quad core - most audio/video/image editing can use all 4 cores, good for virutalization and heavy multitaskers, less chance of a good overclock, extra cores use power, most games can't use all 4 cores. So basically, if you have programs now that can take advantage of all 4 cores then it's a no brainer. But if you can't take advantage of them then dual core is the way to go. On Jan 1, 2008 11:11 AM, GPL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Discussing our CPU options for what we want to spend we have looked at the C2D E6600 E6850, but also the C2Q Q6600 since its the same price as the E6850. Whats your feeling on jumping to a quad in this build? In some of the tests I have seen they are close at times. This will be an every day system, but will need to handle its own in gaming. User is not a super hard core gamer but a gamer none the less and will probabaly have this computer for more than 2-3 years. (His last hit 5!) Below are some specs from newegg.com: $229.99 Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115003 $274.99 Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Conroe 3.0GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115028 $274.99 Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017 I think for VIDEO CARD we are going with the GeForce 8800 GT 512 MB Card as of right now. On Dec 31, 2007 3:32 PM, GPL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your feedback. you have given me a memory jogger on some more things to look into. I hate that I only get to build one or two systems a year and seem like I fall out of the know easily. if I ever had the opportunity to work with a system builder I might just take it. LOL. I have have a gigabyte and have had no issues with it. I was thinking of just getting another one for this build. Ill be back tonight to do some more research. sitting in car right now while my wife runs into JUST ONE MORE STORE! Yeah been one of those days. Thank goodness for web enabled smart phones! On 12/31/07, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me neither but Newegg doesn't ship to Canada, and neither does Mwave or geeks.com. Unfortunately, I think Tigerdirect has a lock on the online computer market up here in the Great White North. And there is 15% sales tax on top of their prices :( I'm probably just going to order my parts off Newegg and have them shipped to my parent's place in NY and will pick them up next time through. Only a couple hours away. On Dec 31, 2007 12:33 PM, Joe User [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Brian, Monday, December 31, 2007, 10:51:00 AM, you wrote: Is it just me or does that website not carry Gigabit mobos? I was looking to price my new machine out and they don't have the board I want. Some of the items (RAM and mobo) are more expensive than in the US while other things (CPU and power supplies) are the same. Weird. I've never cared for Tiger Direct. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
:) I see. I often have to fight myself when advising others on building PCs for themselves. Most of the time, they are happy with stuff I wouldn't even consider for me. GPL wrote: Anthony, its one of those things where the serious gamer is assembling someone elses PC, and thinking ahead at the what ifs! Brian, thanks I'll head there now to check those articles. On Jan 2, 2008 10:11 AM, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are going Intel I have heard the P35 chipsets are really nice. I like this one: http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3169 You might want to check this article for which boards will be compatible with the 45nm Penryn and quad cores coming out over the next year for upgrade compatibility: http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3138 On Jan 2, 2008 8:50 AM, GPL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probabaly going to order this tomorrow night. The dual core 6850 will do fine. We'll put 2GB of ram in it too, its going on XP. How about motherboards? Can you offer a recommendation? We might SLI it in the future with another 8800 so the option would be nice. On Jan 1, 2008 12:49 PM, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been pondering the same question and here's what I have come up with based on the big analysis Anandtech did on the dual vs quad core issue. Dual core - lots of software (and games) can use both cores, better chance of a higher overclock, more efficient power usage Quad core - most audio/video/image editing can use all 4 cores, good for virutalization and heavy multitaskers, less chance of a good overclock, extra cores use power, most games can't use all 4 cores. So basically, if you have programs now that can take advantage of all 4 cores then it's a no brainer. But if you can't take advantage of them then dual core is the way to go. On Jan 1, 2008 11:11 AM, GPL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Discussing our CPU options for what we want to spend we have looked at the C2D E6600 E6850, but also the C2Q Q6600 since its the same price as the E6850. Whats your feeling on jumping to a quad in this build? In some of the tests I have seen they are close at times. This will be an every day system, but will need to handle its own in gaming. User is not a super hard core gamer but a gamer none the less and will probabaly have this computer for more than 2-3 years. (His last hit 5!) Below are some specs from newegg.com: $229.99 Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115003 $274.99 Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Conroe 3.0GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115028 $274.99 Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017 I think for VIDEO CARD we are going with the GeForce 8800 GT 512 MB Card as of right now. On Dec 31, 2007 3:32 PM, GPL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your feedback. you have given me a memory jogger on some more things to look into. I hate that I only get to build one or two systems a year and seem like I fall out of the know easily. if I ever had the opportunity to work with a system builder I might just take it. LOL. I have have a gigabyte and have had no issues with it. I was thinking of just getting another one for this build. Ill be back tonight to do some more research. sitting in car right now while my wife runs into JUST ONE MORE STORE! Yeah been one of those days. Thank goodness for web enabled smart phones! On 12/31/07, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me neither but Newegg doesn't ship to Canada, and neither does Mwave or geeks.com. Unfortunately, I think Tigerdirect has a lock on the online computer market up here in the Great White North. And there is 15% sales tax on top of their prices :( I'm probably just going to order my parts off Newegg and have them shipped to my parent's place in NY and will pick them up next time through. Only a couple hours away. On Dec 31, 2007 12:33 PM, Joe User [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Brian, Monday, December 31, 2007, 10:51:00 AM, you wrote: Is it just me or does that website not carry Gigabit mobos? I was looking to price my new machine out and they don't have the board I want. Some of the items (RAM and mobo) are more expensive than in the US while other things (CPU and power supplies) are the same. Weird. I've never cared for Tiger Direct. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... -- Brian Weeden -- Brian Weeden -- Brian Weeden
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
At 01:33 PM 31/12/2007, Joe User wrote: Hello Brian, Monday, December 31, 2007, 10:51:00 AM, you wrote: Is it just me or does that website not carry Gigabit mobos? I was looking to price my new machine out and they don't have the board I want. Some of the items (RAM and mobo) are more expensive than in the US while other things (CPU and power supplies) are the same. Weird. I've never cared for Tiger Direct. Me either. They are a questionable outfit at best. T
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
Discussing our CPU options for what we want to spend we have looked at the C2D E6600 E6850, but also the C2Q Q6600 since its the same price as the E6850. Whats your feeling on jumping to a quad in this build? In some of the tests I have seen they are close at times. This will be an every day system, but will need to handle its own in gaming. User is not a super hard core gamer but a gamer none the less and will probabaly have this computer for more than 2-3 years. (His last hit 5!) Below are some specs from newegg.com: $229.99 Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115003 $274.99 Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Conroe 3.0GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115028 $274.99 Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017 I think for VIDEO CARD we are going with the GeForce 8800 GT 512 MB Card as of right now. On Dec 31, 2007 3:32 PM, GPL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your feedback. you have given me a memory jogger on some more things to look into. I hate that I only get to build one or two systems a year and seem like I fall out of the know easily. if I ever had the opportunity to work with a system builder I might just take it. LOL. I have have a gigabyte and have had no issues with it. I was thinking of just getting another one for this build. Ill be back tonight to do some more research. sitting in car right now while my wife runs into JUST ONE MORE STORE! Yeah been one of those days. Thank goodness for web enabled smart phones! On 12/31/07, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me neither but Newegg doesn't ship to Canada, and neither does Mwave or geeks.com. Unfortunately, I think Tigerdirect has a lock on the online computer market up here in the Great White North. And there is 15% sales tax on top of their prices :( I'm probably just going to order my parts off Newegg and have them shipped to my parent's place in NY and will pick them up next time through. Only a couple hours away. On Dec 31, 2007 12:33 PM, Joe User [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Brian, Monday, December 31, 2007, 10:51:00 AM, you wrote: Is it just me or does that website not carry Gigabit mobos? I was looking to price my new machine out and they don't have the board I want. Some of the items (RAM and mobo) are more expensive than in the US while other things (CPU and power supplies) are the same. Weird. I've never cared for Tiger Direct. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... -- Brian Weeden
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
At 12:11 PM 01/01/2008, GPL wrote: Discussing our CPU options for what we want to spend we have looked at the C2D E6600 E6850, but also the C2Q Q6600 since its the same price as the E6850. Whats your feeling on jumping to a quad in this build? In some of the tests I have seen they are close at times. This will be an every day system, but will need to handle its own in gaming. User is not a super hard core gamer but a gamer none the less and will probabaly have this computer for more than 2-3 years. (His last hit 5!) Below are some specs from newegg.com: I did some research for a customer two weeks ago for a high end machine, and all the benchmarks I read put the Quad cores slightly slower than the Duals. So I went E6850. T
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
I'd go for the fast dual right now and he can get a quad later (at the same clock speed) after the prices drop, if there is software available to use it. GPL wrote: Discussing our CPU options for what we want to spend we have looked at the C2D E6600 E6850, but also the C2Q Q6600 since its the same price as the E6850. Whats your feeling on jumping to a quad in this build? In some of the tests I have seen they are close at times. This will be an every day system, but will need to handle its own in gaming. User is not a super hard core gamer but a gamer none the less and will probabaly have this computer for more than 2-3 years. (His last hit 5!) Below are some specs from newegg.com: $229.99 Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115003 $274.99 Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Conroe 3.0GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115028 $274.99 Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017 I think for VIDEO CARD we are going with the GeForce 8800 GT 512 MB Card as of right now. On Dec 31, 2007 3:32 PM, GPL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your feedback. you have given me a memory jogger on some more things to look into. I hate that I only get to build one or two systems a year and seem like I fall out of the know easily. if I ever had the opportunity to work with a system builder I might just take it. LOL. I have have a gigabyte and have had no issues with it. I was thinking of just getting another one for this build. Ill be back tonight to do some more research. sitting in car right now while my wife runs into JUST ONE MORE STORE! Yeah been one of those days. Thank goodness for web enabled smart phones! On 12/31/07, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me neither but Newegg doesn't ship to Canada, and neither does Mwave or geeks.com. Unfortunately, I think Tigerdirect has a lock on the online computer market up here in the Great White North. And there is 15% sales tax on top of their prices :( I'm probably just going to order my parts off Newegg and have them shipped to my parent's place in NY and will pick them up next time through. Only a couple hours away. On Dec 31, 2007 12:33 PM, Joe User [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Brian, Monday, December 31, 2007, 10:51:00 AM, you wrote: Is it just me or does that website not carry Gigabit mobos? I was looking to price my new machine out and they don't have the board I want. Some of the items (RAM and mobo) are more expensive than in the US while other things (CPU and power supplies) are the same. Weird. I've never cared for Tiger Direct. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... -- Brian Weeden
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
I looked over some of the tests on: http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.html I'm truly wondering how noticeable to a user though the disparity would be. Right now they (e6850 q6600) are the same price. The person I am building for is not much of an upgrader. I'm only going from his past history. Within his budget I'm aiming for the best we can afford now that might stretch its legs for him in the future. I understand that software isn't really doing much with multiple cores yet, although some say you do get SOMETHING more out of it. I read recently that if you are using Microsoft's flight simulator more cores can be advantageous since their SP1. There have been some tests there that show a slight improvement with more cores. But this user isn't a flight simmer LOL. On Jan 1, 2008 11:56 AM, Anthony Q. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd go for the fast dual right now and he can get a quad later (at the same clock speed) after the prices drop, if there is software available to use it. GPL wrote: Discussing our CPU options for what we want to spend we have looked at the C2D E6600 E6850, but also the C2Q Q6600 since its the same price as the E6850. Whats your feeling on jumping to a quad in this build? In some of the tests I have seen they are close at times. This will be an every day system, but will need to handle its own in gaming. User is not a super hard core gamer but a gamer none the less and will probabaly have this computer for more than 2-3 years. (His last hit 5!) Below are some specs from newegg.com: $229.99 Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115003 $274.99 Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Conroe 3.0GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115028 $274.99 Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017 I think for VIDEO CARD we are going with the GeForce 8800 GT 512 MB Card as of right now. On Dec 31, 2007 3:32 PM, GPL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your feedback. you have given me a memory jogger on some more things to look into. I hate that I only get to build one or two systems a year and seem like I fall out of the know easily. if I ever had the opportunity to work with a system builder I might just take it. LOL. I have have a gigabyte and have had no issues with it. I was thinking of just getting another one for this build. Ill be back tonight to do some more research. sitting in car right now while my wife runs into JUST ONE MORE STORE! Yeah been one of those days. Thank goodness for web enabled smart phones! On 12/31/07, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me neither but Newegg doesn't ship to Canada, and neither does Mwave or geeks.com. Unfortunately, I think Tigerdirect has a lock on the online computer market up here in the Great White North. And there is 15% sales tax on top of their prices :( I'm probably just going to order my parts off Newegg and have them shipped to my parent's place in NY and will pick them up next time through. Only a couple hours away. On Dec 31, 2007 12:33 PM, Joe User [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Brian, Monday, December 31, 2007, 10:51:00 AM, you wrote: Is it just me or does that website not carry Gigabit mobos? I was looking to price my new machine out and they don't have the board I want. Some of the items (RAM and mobo) are more expensive than in the US while other things (CPU and power supplies) are the same. Weird. I've never cared for Tiger Direct. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... -- Brian Weeden
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
I've been pondering the same question and here's what I have come up with based on the big analysis Anandtech did on the dual vs quad core issue. Dual core - lots of software (and games) can use both cores, better chance of a higher overclock, more efficient power usage Quad core - most audio/video/image editing can use all 4 cores, good for virutalization and heavy multitaskers, less chance of a good overclock, extra cores use power, most games can't use all 4 cores. So basically, if you have programs now that can take advantage of all 4 cores then it's a no brainer. But if you can't take advantage of them then dual core is the way to go. On Jan 1, 2008 11:11 AM, GPL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Discussing our CPU options for what we want to spend we have looked at the C2D E6600 E6850, but also the C2Q Q6600 since its the same price as the E6850. Whats your feeling on jumping to a quad in this build? In some of the tests I have seen they are close at times. This will be an every day system, but will need to handle its own in gaming. User is not a super hard core gamer but a gamer none the less and will probabaly have this computer for more than 2-3 years. (His last hit 5!) Below are some specs from newegg.com: $229.99 Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115003 $274.99 Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Conroe 3.0GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115028 $274.99 Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017 I think for VIDEO CARD we are going with the GeForce 8800 GT 512 MB Card as of right now. On Dec 31, 2007 3:32 PM, GPL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your feedback. you have given me a memory jogger on some more things to look into. I hate that I only get to build one or two systems a year and seem like I fall out of the know easily. if I ever had the opportunity to work with a system builder I might just take it. LOL. I have have a gigabyte and have had no issues with it. I was thinking of just getting another one for this build. Ill be back tonight to do some more research. sitting in car right now while my wife runs into JUST ONE MORE STORE! Yeah been one of those days. Thank goodness for web enabled smart phones! On 12/31/07, Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me neither but Newegg doesn't ship to Canada, and neither does Mwave or geeks.com. Unfortunately, I think Tigerdirect has a lock on the online computer market up here in the Great White North. And there is 15% sales tax on top of their prices :( I'm probably just going to order my parts off Newegg and have them shipped to my parent's place in NY and will pick them up next time through. Only a couple hours away. On Dec 31, 2007 12:33 PM, Joe User [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Brian, Monday, December 31, 2007, 10:51:00 AM, you wrote: Is it just me or does that website not carry Gigabit mobos? I was looking to price my new machine out and they don't have the board I want. Some of the items (RAM and mobo) are more expensive than in the US while other things (CPU and power supplies) are the same. Weird. I've never cared for Tiger Direct. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... -- Brian Weeden -- Brian Weeden
[H] My PC Build for January
Hi folks, and happy new year. Working with a friend to help build a decent gaming PC. His PC is about 5 years old and he wonders why all games he tries to run on that system run horrible. I have been assembling a list of parts on my side to present him for the build but last night he emailed me a link to a barebones kit with the case I showed him earlier that had a decent price to it. Here is the link: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3442434#CPU%20Disclaimer I'm going to price more items individually, but at first glance this doesn't look like too terrible a deal. I have stayed away from cases and kits that come with power supplies in the past because they were usually lower quality power supplies. This one comes with a 600watt Ultra X-Finity SLI Ready Power Supply. We are going with an 88 series nvidia, not super high end, but mid range and would have the option to SLI it in the future. But its not a deciding factor. I would really appreciate your opinion on if barebones kits are something you folks stay away from or in your experience has it been better to get individual parts? Always appreciate everyones feedback. Thanks, I'll keep researching on my side.
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
I don't like that mobo...no external SATA...and at least two mobo fans to generate noise! heck no! ps/2 connectors are old hat, too. Also, the ultra stuff that I have hasn't worked out so well for me. Note that at least one reviewer claims the PC can't handle a 8800GT. Seems to need to add some 120 mm case fans, too. GPL wrote: Hi folks, and happy new year. Working with a friend to help build a decent gaming PC. His PC is about 5 years old and he wonders why all games he tries to run on that system run horrible. I have been assembling a list of parts on my side to present him for the build but last night he emailed me a link to a barebones kit with the case I showed him earlier that had a decent price to it. Here is the link: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3442434#CPU%20Disclaimer I'm going to price more items individually, but at first glance this doesn't look like too terrible a deal. I have stayed away from cases and kits that come with power supplies in the past because they were usually lower quality power supplies. This one comes with a 600watt Ultra X-Finity SLI Ready Power Supply. We are going with an 88 series nvidia, not super high end, but mid range and would have the option to SLI it in the future. But its not a deciding factor. I would really appreciate your opinion on if barebones kits are something you folks stay away from or in your experience has it been better to get individual parts? Always appreciate everyones feedback. Thanks, I'll keep researching on my side.
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
I agree with that too, ever since my last Abit mobo needed the chipset fan replaced a couple times and re-attached to the mobo another couple of times, I've been enamored with my Intel mobo and it's passive chipset cooling. :) -- JRS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please remove **X** to reply... Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored. I don't like that mobo...no external SATA...and at least two mobo fans to generate noise! heck no! ps/2 connectors are old hat, too.
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
Is it just me or does that website not carry Gigabit mobos? I was looking to price my new machine out and they don't have the board I want. Some of the items (RAM and mobo) are more expensive than in the US while other things (CPU and power supplies) are the same. Weird. On Dec 31, 2007 11:41 AM, JRS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with that too, ever since my last Abit mobo needed the chipset fan replaced a couple times and re-attached to the mobo another couple of times, I've been enamored with my Intel mobo and it's passive chipset cooling. :) -- JRS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please remove **X** to reply... Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored. I don't like that mobo...no external SATA...and at least two mobo fans to generate noise! heck no! ps/2 connectors are old hat, too. -- Brian Weeden
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
This does not look like s good deal to me. I just built a GIGABYTE box much cheaper. I have had bad experience with Tiger, too. Check out Geeks.com, Newegg.com or Mwave.com even. I use Mwave pretested bundles usually. Sam GPL wrote: Hi folks, and happy new year. Working with a friend to help build a decent gaming PC. His PC is about 5 years old and he wonders why all games he tries to run on that system run horrible. I have been assembling a list of parts on my side to present him for the build but last night he emailed me a link to a barebones kit with the case I showed him earlier that had a decent price to it. Here is the link: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3442434#CPU%20Disclaimer I'm going to price more items individually, but at first glance this doesn't look like too terrible a deal. I have stayed away from cases and kits that come with power supplies in the past because they were usually lower quality power supplies. This one comes with a 600watt Ultra X-Finity SLI Ready Power Supply. We are going with an 88 series nvidia, not super high end, but mid range and would have the option to SLI it in the future. But its not a deciding factor. I would really appreciate your opinion on if barebones kits are something you folks stay away from or in your experience has it been better to get individual parts? Always appreciate everyones feedback. Thanks, I'll keep researching on my side.
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
Hello Brian, Monday, December 31, 2007, 10:51:00 AM, you wrote: Is it just me or does that website not carry Gigabit mobos? I was looking to price my new machine out and they don't have the board I want. Some of the items (RAM and mobo) are more expensive than in the US while other things (CPU and power supplies) are the same. Weird. I've never cared for Tiger Direct. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
A lot (most) of those places won't ship to canada. Shipping electronics to canada sucks balls. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Sam Franc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:30:35 To:hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] My PC Build for January This does not look like s good deal to me. I just built a GIGABYTE box much cheaper. I have had bad experience with Tiger, too. Check out Geeks.com, Newegg.com or Mwave.com even. I use Mwave pretested bundles usually. Sam GPL wrote: Hi folks, and happy new year. Working with a friend to help build a decent gaming PC. His PC is about 5 years old and he wonders why all games he tries to run on that system run horrible. I have been assembling a list of parts on my side to present him for the build but last night he emailed me a link to a barebones kit with the case I showed him earlier that had a decent price to it. Here is the link: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3442434#CPU%20Disclaimer I'm going to price more items individually, but at first glance this doesn't look like too terrible a deal. I have stayed away from cases and kits that come with power supplies in the past because they were usually lower quality power supplies. This one comes with a 600watt Ultra X-Finity SLI Ready Power Supply. We are going with an 88 series nvidia, not super high end, but mid range and would have the option to SLI it in the future. But its not a deciding factor. I would really appreciate your opinion on if barebones kits are something you folks stay away from or in your experience has it been better to get individual parts? Always appreciate everyones feedback. Thanks, I'll keep researching on my side.
Re: [H] My PC Build for January
Me neither but Newegg doesn't ship to Canada, and neither does Mwave or geeks.com. Unfortunately, I think Tigerdirect has a lock on the online computer market up here in the Great White North. And there is 15% sales tax on top of their prices :( I'm probably just going to order my parts off Newegg and have them shipped to my parent's place in NY and will pick them up next time through. Only a couple hours away. On Dec 31, 2007 12:33 PM, Joe User [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Brian, Monday, December 31, 2007, 10:51:00 AM, you wrote: Is it just me or does that website not carry Gigabit mobos? I was looking to price my new machine out and they don't have the board I want. Some of the items (RAM and mobo) are more expensive than in the US while other things (CPU and power supplies) are the same. Weird. I've never cared for Tiger Direct. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... -- Brian Weeden
