Re: [H] Video Card question(s)
From: DHSinclair I have already been told that I may NOT fix my Sister's machine (even though I built the thing)! She will call me for the real-time walk-thru of Doesn't want you to find the porn? VBG
Re: [H] Video Card question(s)
LOL! Rick, That is a possibility, but it is a family dynamic thing. Father is a self-professed computer wizard of the MS-Dos and W95 days. He adds dual-boot and special partitions so he can load all his old DOS tools. He maintains that he will fix his own computers his way. The nephew is on XP; so is his wife (my Sister). Father is constantly frustrated with XP because it often refuses to react properly to his build/repair/tweak attempts. Father does not like XP because he can not get under the hood his way, believes a fat 16/32 partition is just fine. NTFS is just another government conspiracy to take power away from the people! I gave up support 3 years ago after too many arguments with Father. But, Father remains curious as to why my w2k and XP machines run trouble free, while he is often trying to fix things his computer guru son seems to do to his machine, and his Mother's machine, in his search for WoW nirvanah.But, I digress.and I've retired my Wizard's Wand now that I move into WinXP. Back to student status ROTFLMAO! Often painfully. Duncan At 07:40 12/02/2008 -0500, you wrote: From: DHSinclair I have already been told that I may NOT fix my Sister's machine (even though I built the thing)! She will call me for the real-time walk-thru of Doesn't want you to find the porn? VBG
[H] Video Card question(s)
Are there still PCI and AGP video cards available that can image the newer
wide-screen panels at their native resolutions?
I do know that most PCI-e video cards do, but I have a need for a card that
is either AGP or PCI. The current video card is an old Asus nVidia-based
card (1st/2d generation). It is an {Asus V6800 Pure GeForce 256 DDR} in
AGP format. It has been driving a GEM (scansport) 150A 15 VGA panel for
the last 3 years. The panel is dying. It now has full width grey bars
wherever text is displayed. Sis has lived with this anomaly for 18
months :)
My Sister has ordered a Dell SE178WFP. The native res is 1440x900. Her
current video card (according to what winXP says) seems to top at
1024x768. I do suspect somebody in the family has been dicking around and
killed the card's driver. I am the Uncle, so I can not say anything! I did
supply all the innards of my Sister's machine (the best of my boneyard!).
Due to economic constraints, a current-tech modern video card is not
possible because the current m/b (Abit KG7) is limited to PCI and AGP only.
Is this possible? If so, we have found a Christmas gift for my Sister!
Thank you,
Duncan
Re: [H] Video Card question(s)
There are still AGP cards being made, or at least were. ATI for sure, NV dunno, but
driver issues abound with ATI AGP solutions from what I read.
Regular PCI video died when AGP took over, as PCIe has done /now.
DHSinclair wrote:
Are there still PCI and AGP video cards available that can image the
newer wide-screen panels at their native resolutions?
I do know that most PCI-e video cards do, but I have a need for a card
that is either AGP or PCI. The current video card is an old Asus
nVidia-based card (1st/2d generation). It is an {Asus V6800 Pure
GeForce 256 DDR} in AGP format. It has been driving a GEM (scansport)
150A 15 VGA panel for the last 3 years. The panel is dying. It now has
full width grey bars wherever text is displayed. Sis has lived with
this anomaly for 18 months :)
My Sister has ordered a Dell SE178WFP. The native res is 1440x900. Her
current video card (according to what winXP says) seems to top at
1024x768. I do suspect somebody in the family has been dicking around
and killed the card's driver. I am the Uncle, so I can not say
anything! I did supply all the innards of my Sister's machine (the best
of my boneyard!).
Due to economic constraints, a current-tech modern video card is not
possible because the current m/b (Abit KG7) is limited to PCI and AGP only.
Is this possible? If so, we have found a Christmas gift for my Sister!
Thank you,
Duncan
Re: [H] Video Card question(s)
At 11:49 AM 12/1/2008, you wrote: Are there still PCI and AGP video cards available that can image the newer wide-screen panels at their native resolutions? I do know that most PCI-e video cards do, but I have a need for a card that is either AGP or PCI. your G450 AGP or PCI will do 1920X1200 in analog mode. Or if you need another one I have one. backchannel me.
Re: [H] Video Card question(s)
You can absolutely still get AGP and PCI cards. I bought a PCI card a
couple months ago for a multi-monitor office setup. I just went to a
local computer store and got the cheapest PCI card they had (I think
it was an ATI).
A quick search on tigerdirect.com (they have a warehouse store near
me) shows 30+ PCI cards, from $20 up. Same for AGP. For instance:
Sparkle GeForce MX4000 64MB AGP, $19.99
Now, all that being said, I googled Asus V6800 Pure GeForce 256 DDR
and came up with multiple reviews that claims the card's max
resolution is 2048x1536 at 75Hz -- so, I wouldn't give up on the card
yet. Could be their current monitor couldn't handle more than 1024, so
XP is allowing the higher res. I would def. give the current card a
shot once the new monitor is hooked up.
Scott
On Dec 1, 2008, at 2:49 PM, DHSinclair wrote:
Are there still PCI and AGP video cards available that can image the
newer wide-screen panels at their native resolutions?
I do know that most PCI-e video cards do, but I have a need for a
card that is either AGP or PCI. The current video card is an old
Asus nVidia-based card (1st/2d generation). It is an {Asus V6800
Pure GeForce 256 DDR} in AGP format. It has been driving a GEM
(scansport) 150A 15 VGA panel for the last 3 years. The panel is
dying. It now has full width grey bars wherever text is displayed.
Sis has lived with this anomaly for 18 months :)
My Sister has ordered a Dell SE178WFP. The native res is 1440x900.
Her current video card (according to what winXP says) seems to top
at 1024x768. I do suspect somebody in the family has been dicking
around and killed the card's driver. I am the Uncle, so I can not
say anything! I did supply all the innards of my Sister's machine
(the best of my boneyard!).
Due to economic constraints, a current-tech modern video card is not
possible because the current m/b (Abit KG7) is limited to PCI and
AGP only.
Is this possible? If so, we have found a Christmas gift for my
Sister!
Thank you,
Duncan
Re: [H] Video Card question(s)
I question why you think you need a new card. The reason why WinXP is only
showing 1024x768 as the max resolution is because that is the max resolution
the current monitor is telling the computer it supports. So more than
likely when the new monitor is plugged in WinXP will say 1440x900 is the max
resolution.
And if that doesn't work you could try;
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/207607.html
or just uninstall and reinstall the most current drivers for what is in
there now.
Eli
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Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:49 PM
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Subject: [H] Video Card question(s)
Are there still PCI and AGP video cards available that can image the newer
wide-screen panels at their native resolutions?
I do know that most PCI-e video cards do, but I have a need for a card that
is either AGP or PCI. The current video card is an old Asus nVidia-based
card (1st/2d generation). It is an {Asus V6800 Pure GeForce 256 DDR} in
AGP format. It has been driving a GEM (scansport) 150A 15 VGA panel for
the last 3 years. The panel is dying. It now has full width grey bars
wherever text is displayed. Sis has lived with this anomaly for 18
months :)
My Sister has ordered a Dell SE178WFP. The native res is 1440x900. Her
current video card (according to what winXP says) seems to top at
1024x768. I do suspect somebody in the family has been dicking around and
killed the card's driver. I am the Uncle, so I can not say anything! I did
supply all the innards of my Sister's machine (the best of my boneyard!).
Due to economic constraints, a current-tech modern video card is not
possible because the current m/b (Abit KG7) is limited to PCI and AGP only.
Is this possible? If so, we have found a Christmas gift for my Sister!
Thank you,
Duncan
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j.,
Thanks. You confirm my observations completely. I know I have to move to
the new PCI-e interface. I'll chum for AGP cards for my remaining 2 old
clients until I can afford to bring them into the light of the current day.
I will save my old PCI Matrox cards for my server! I know that the
on-board Rage chip is getting to run out of gas... :) No way I can
afford to replace/upgrade my server ATM.
Best,
Duncan
At 13:28 12/01/2008 -0800, you wrote:
There are still AGP cards being made, or at least were. ATI for sure, NV
dunno, but driver issues abound with ATI AGP solutions from what I read.
Regular PCI video died when AGP took over, as PCIe has done /now.
DHSinclair wrote:
Are there still PCI and AGP video cards available that can image the
newer wide-screen panels at their native resolutions?
I do know that most PCI-e video cards do, but I have a need for a card
that is either AGP or PCI. The current video card is an old Asus
nVidia-based card (1st/2d generation). It is an {Asus V6800 Pure GeForce
256 DDR} in AGP format. It has been driving a GEM (scansport) 150A 15
VGA panel for the last 3 years. The panel is dying. It now has full
width grey bars wherever text is displayed. Sis has lived with this
anomaly for 18 months :)
My Sister has ordered a Dell SE178WFP. The native res is 1440x900. Her
current video card (according to what winXP says) seems to top at
1024x768. I do suspect somebody in the family has been dicking around
and killed the card's driver. I am the Uncle, so I can not say
anything! I did supply all the innards of my Sister's machine (the best
of my boneyard!).
Due to economic constraints, a current-tech modern video card is not
possible because the current m/b (Abit KG7) is limited to PCI and AGP only.
Is this possible? If so, we have found a Christmas gift for my Sister!
Thank you,
Duncan
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Scott,
I have some old orders with tigerdirect.com. I will go and noodle around
there in the AM.
Yes, we both found the same reviews it seems. I gave that old V6800 card
to my Sister back in 2004. And it was from my working bone-yard
then. Not a problem. A simple search at the nVidia site pointed to the
v71.89 whql driver set for that old card! Knowing what is possible at my
Sister's home, anything and everything is possible! Just the nature of the
beast! LOL!
I have already been told that I may NOT fix my Sister's machine (even
though I built the thing)! She will call me for the real-time walk-thru of
, So, Ya think your video card drivers are dorked? process. She want to
drive the exercise. With what I do know, and, what I have gotten over the
years from the Collective, I think we will get it spiffy again in short
order..until the new 17 wide panel
arrives...new set of requirement, perhaps... LOL!
Thank you.
Duncan
At 16:52 12/01/2008 -0500, you wrote:
You can absolutely still get AGP and PCI cards. I bought a PCI card a
couple months ago for a multi-monitor office setup. I just went to a
local computer store and got the cheapest PCI card they had (I think
it was an ATI).
A quick search on tigerdirect.com (they have a warehouse store near
me) shows 30+ PCI cards, from $20 up. Same for AGP. For instance:
Sparkle GeForce MX4000 64MB AGP, $19.99
Now, all that being said, I googled Asus V6800 Pure GeForce 256 DDR
and came up with multiple reviews that claims the card's max
resolution is 2048x1536 at 75Hz -- so, I wouldn't give up on the card
yet. Could be their current monitor couldn't handle more than 1024, so
XP is allowing the higher res. I would def. give the current card a
shot once the new monitor is hooked up.
Scott
On Dec 1, 2008, at 2:49 PM, DHSinclair wrote:
Are there still PCI and AGP video cards available that can image the
newer wide-screen panels at their native resolutions?
I do know that most PCI-e video cards do, but I have a need for a
card that is either AGP or PCI. The current video card is an old
Asus nVidia-based card (1st/2d generation). It is an {Asus V6800
Pure GeForce 256 DDR} in AGP format. It has been driving a GEM
(scansport) 150A 15 VGA panel for the last 3 years. The panel is
dying. It now has full width grey bars wherever text is displayed.
Sis has lived with this anomaly for 18 months :)
My Sister has ordered a Dell SE178WFP. The native res is 1440x900.
Her current video card (according to what winXP says) seems to top
at 1024x768. I do suspect somebody in the family has been dicking
around and killed the card's driver. I am the Uncle, so I can not
say anything! I did supply all the innards of my Sister's machine
(the best of my boneyard!).
Due to economic constraints, a current-tech modern video card is not
possible because the current m/b (Abit KG7) is limited to PCI and
AGP only.
Is this possible? If so, we have found a Christmas gift for my
Sister!
Thank you,
Duncan
Re: [H] Video Card question(s)
Eli,
Good share, but not quite focused enough.
At 18:57 12/01/2008 -0500, you wrote:
I question why you think you need a new card. The reason why WinXP is only
showing 1024x768 as the max resolution is because that is the max resolution
the current monitor is telling the computer it supports.
I agree that many displays may default to whatever the Monitor's spec is
believed to be; however, when I drill into the Adapter tab of properties
and then select Advanced, I am shown the available resolutions and refresh
rates of the video card.
So more than
likely when the new monitor is plugged in WinXP will say 1440x900 is the max
resolution.
Well, that is expected for a new panel. But, suspecting that the current
video card's driver might be dorked, and, that quite possibly nobody
bothered to 'properly' load the dot-inf file for the current (suspect)
panel, anything is indeed possible! Since I now know that the video card
is capable of 2048x1536 @75Hz (2D), it seems logical that Sis may not need
a new video card yet. We will work on getting the necessary drivers
squared away first.
And if that doesn't work you could try;
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/207607.html
or just uninstall and reinstall the most current drivers for what is in
there now.
I will check the link in the AM, and, yes, drivers first B4 more
dollars! Well, except she does want a bigger panel...!! I will post
results in any case. Should be on the mend by Wednesday night.. :)
Thank you,
Duncan
Eli
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DHSinclair
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:49 PM
To: Hardware Group
Subject: [H] Video Card question(s)
Are there still PCI and AGP video cards available that can image the newer
wide-screen panels at their native resolutions?
I do know that most PCI-e video cards do, but I have a need for a card that
is either AGP or PCI. The current video card is an old Asus nVidia-based
card (1st/2d generation). It is an {Asus V6800 Pure GeForce 256 DDR} in
AGP format. It has been driving a GEM (scansport) 150A 15 VGA panel for
the last 3 years. The panel is dying. It now has full width grey bars
wherever text is displayed. Sis has lived with this anomaly for 18
months :)
My Sister has ordered a Dell SE178WFP. The native res is 1440x900. Her
current video card (according to what winXP says) seems to top at
1024x768. I do suspect somebody in the family has been dicking around and
killed the card's driver. I am the Uncle, so I can not say anything! I did
supply all the innards of my Sister's machine (the best of my boneyard!).
Due to economic constraints, a current-tech modern video card is not
possible because the current m/b (Abit KG7) is limited to PCI and AGP only.
Is this possible? If so, we have found a Christmas gift for my Sister!
Thank you,
Duncan
Re: [H] Video card question
experience, every ATI card I ever dealt with either new install, upgrade or whatever has been a PITA I try real hard not to slam my thumb in the car door more then once fp At 07:35 AM 11/24/2008, maccrawj Poked the stick with: You think ATI is ruining AMD? Excuse me for the insult, but you are a moron sir! Read a bit about AMD's business practices and their effect on both companies. If you're insinuating that ATI video cards are sub-par, then you've been drinking NV cool-aid while ignoring reviews benchmarks. FORC5 wrote: other way around me thinks fp :'( At 11:07 AM 11/20/2008, maccrawj Poked the stick with: Stan is taking about AMD/ATI's video cards I assume. AMD now owns (and so far is ruining) ATI. -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Gene Police: Hey YOU! Get out of this pool.
Re: [H] Video card question
AMD cards are great - I've been buying them exclusively for the last several years. It's their drivers that are crap (although to be fair, Nvidia's are far from perfect as well, but AMD's are worse still). --- Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundtion.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:35 AM, maccrawj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You think ATI is ruining AMD? Excuse me for the insult, but you are a moron sir! Read a bit about AMD's business practices and their effect on both companies. If you're insinuating that ATI video cards are sub-par, then you've been drinking NV cool-aid while ignoring reviews benchmarks. FORC5 wrote: other way around me thinks fp :'( At 11:07 AM 11/20/2008, maccrawj Poked the stick with: Stan is taking about AMD/ATI's video cards I assume. AMD now owns (and so far is ruining) ATI.
Re: [H] Video card question
You think ATI is ruining AMD? Excuse me for the insult, but you are a moron sir! Read a bit about AMD's business practices and their effect on both companies. If you're insinuating that ATI video cards are sub-par, then you've been drinking NV cool-aid while ignoring reviews benchmarks. FORC5 wrote: other way around me thinks fp :'( At 11:07 AM 11/20/2008, maccrawj Poked the stick with: Stan is taking about AMD/ATI's video cards I assume. AMD now owns (and so far is ruining) ATI.
Re: [H] Video card question
Stan is taking about AMD/ATI's video cards I assume. AMD now owns (and so far is
ruining) ATI.
DHSinclair wrote:
Stan,
I do so get your focus. But, I have moved to Intel C2D, right or wrong
for my updates/upgrades. I will just have to deal with stuff I miss
because of this decision. ATM, Intel represents a larger choice than AMD
does. Yes, I do so want AMD to keep on trucking! Intel needs all the
competition they can get. I have zero bad comments about any AMD cpu I
have ever used in the last 10 years. I still use two of them ATM, and
both run just like torpedoes; hot-straight-normal ('hot' being a
relative term, LOL!).
It is still all good right now. I will look at the ATI video cards in
any case.
Best,
Duncan
At 16:38 11/19/2008 -0600, you wrote:
I agree that either companies products would be fine. Personally
speaking, I've upgraded my gaming box from an AMD 3850 to their
current 4850 using Catalyst drivers going way back with zero issues.
Re: [H] Video card question
j.,
Yes, I know this. I remember when AMD bought ATI.
Duncan
At 10:07 11/20/2008 -0800, you wrote:
Stan is taking about AMD/ATI's video cards I assume. AMD now owns (and so
far is ruining) ATI.
DHSinclair wrote:
Stan,
I do so get your focus. But, I have moved to Intel C2D, right or wrong
for my updates/upgrades. I will just have to deal with stuff I miss
because of this decision. ATM, Intel represents a larger choice than AMD
does. Yes, I do so want AMD to keep on trucking! Intel needs all the
competition they can get. I have zero bad comments about any AMD cpu I
have ever used in the last 10 years. I still use two of them ATM, and
both run just like torpedoes; hot-straight-normal ('hot' being a relative
term, LOL!).
It is still all good right now. I will look at the ATI video cards in any
case.
Best,
Duncan
At 16:38 11/19/2008 -0600, you wrote:
I agree that either companies products would be fine. Personally
speaking, I've upgraded my gaming box from an AMD 3850 to their current
4850 using Catalyst drivers going way back with zero issues.
Re: [H] Video card question
other way around me thinks fp :'( At 11:07 AM 11/20/2008, maccrawj Poked the stick with: Stan is taking about AMD/ATI's video cards I assume. AMD now owns (and so far is ruining) ATI. -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- AMD's melt in your PC, not in your hand.
Re: [H] Video card question
Mis-quotes of how bad ATI's driver issues are starting to wear thin. Both companies have issues that arise, generally with AGP video support or specific games, then maybe something else like general stability. The driver package is the same for the entire product line, true also with Nvidia. It's simple: You buy, try, scrutinize, return within 30 days if there's trouble. Anything has to be better than old Matrox cards, as good as they were in their day and at $30 it could cost a lot more to try. DHSinclair wrote: Stan, Well, yes and no. Yes, I have a new/replacement PC built; a C2D/P45/DDR3 that is just missing a video card. I do have 3 PCI cards that I can try, but I have to take another PC down to try. ATM, my spare G200-PCI may be bad. I will confirm this tonight. And, no, you missed nothing. I did appreciate the suggestion and the link to the Anandtech review. I may have to re-read the review. Perhaps I missed something. I just was not impressed with the video card's power usage, resources, and the driver (ATI) issues. However, as a first time try with a PCI-e card, the price and features are appealing. I have listened to the collective banter ATI vs. nVidia through the last 3 series of video cards. Sorry, I remain hopelessly confused still. And, now I have to learn/deal with a brand new card interface also. My apologies. Best, Duncan At 16:55 11/18/2008 -0600, you wrote: quote: But, I have this brandy, spanking, new set of toys that need a video card just to see if it even works.. :) Did I misunderstand something? DHSinclair wrote: J/Stan, Hey! Hey! It is a Guinea Pig; not a hamster. Yes, I may be 1 or 2 generations behind. I use AMD Barton 2500+'s, an AMD TBird 1400M, and some Intel P3's. Most of my video cards are nVidia GeForce 4's or nVidia FX5500's. Yes, not top drawer, but it all seems to do OK for my needs. I am not into PC-based HD video. I do not even own a wide-screen flat panel monitor yet. Sheesh! Perhaps it is time to banish myself from this collective! LOL! I did read the Anandtech review of the card Stan suggested. While it does seem to work OK, it does seem to have several power and resource negatives. They also mentioned driver problems with this card also. I have not been an ATI user either. The only ATI video anything I have is the on-board 3D Rage IIC PCI chip in the server-works Intel m/b. And, it is beginning to show signs of serious age and some video degradation. (This is why I still hoard old PCI Matrox cards)! But, the server is not the issue at hand. I am looking for mid-level PCI-X cards now. When I rebuild my gaming machine, we will talk top drawer cards! Thank you for the suggestion. I will re-read the review. Perhaps I am just too new to this new video revolution. Best, Duncan At 01:44 11/18/2008 -0800, you wrote: Given what he's been running on, I'm sure a hamster on a wheel is faster! ;) A review on Anandtech for it: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3444 Stan Zaske wrote: Duncan just wanted to have a video card that was competent for web based video and this card is obviously overkill for that but the price is very reasonable. It should even be powerful enough for some casual gaming at low resolutions. maccrawj wrote: Gotta love how Newegg's specs are always flat out wrong or have the wrong definition. The GPU is HD4350 but that's the card model, not the actual GPU's model, LOL! For accelerated video, you're probably write but I'd be suspect just based on how low the price is.
Re: [H] Video card question
j., Yes, thank you. I do understand. I do know that I will be doing your 'It's simple' kind of test. I do have to test the waters and form my own opinion. Yes, most is truly better than my very old Matrox cards. I do accept this. I do know their limitations. But, in a pinch, they still light up and allow most basic setup functions (which is what I use them for). I do not have any new technology spares lying around anymore. I am now brand new to the new PCI interfaces. Ouch! New lump on head!! LOL! Best, Duncan At 11:48 11/19/2008 -0800, you wrote: Mis-quotes of how bad ATI's driver issues are starting to wear thin. Both companies have issues that arise, generally with AGP video support or specific games, then maybe something else like general stability. The driver package is the same for the entire product line, true also with Nvidia. It's simple: You buy, try, scrutinize, return within 30 days if there's trouble. Anything has to be better than old Matrox cards, as good as they were in their day and at $30 it could cost a lot more to try. DHSinclair wrote: Stan, Well, yes and no. Yes, I have a new/replacement PC built; a C2D/P45/DDR3 that is just missing a video card. I do have 3 PCI cards that I can try, but I have to take another PC down to try. ATM, my spare G200-PCI may be bad. I will confirm this tonight. And, no, you missed nothing. I did appreciate the suggestion and the link to the Anandtech review. I may have to re-read the review. Perhaps I missed something. I just was not impressed with the video card's power usage, resources, and the driver (ATI) issues. However, as a first time try with a PCI-e card, the price and features are appealing. I have listened to the collective banter ATI vs. nVidia through the last 3 series of video cards. Sorry, I remain hopelessly confused still. And, now I have to learn/deal with a brand new card interface also. My apologies. Best, Duncan At 16:55 11/18/2008 -0600, you wrote: quote: But, I have this brandy, spanking, new set of toys that need a video card just to see if it even works.. :) Did I misunderstand something? DHSinclair wrote: J/Stan, Hey! Hey! It is a Guinea Pig; not a hamster. Yes, I may be 1 or 2 generations behind. I use AMD Barton 2500+'s, an AMD TBird 1400M, and some Intel P3's. Most of my video cards are nVidia GeForce 4's or nVidia FX5500's. Yes, not top drawer, but it all seems to do OK for my needs. I am not into PC-based HD video. I do not even own a wide-screen flat panel monitor yet. Sheesh! Perhaps it is time to banish myself from this collective! LOL! I did read the Anandtech review of the card Stan suggested. While it does seem to work OK, it does seem to have several power and resource negatives. They also mentioned driver problems with this card also. I have not been an ATI user either. The only ATI video anything I have is the on-board 3D Rage IIC PCI chip in the server-works Intel m/b. And, it is beginning to show signs of serious age and some video degradation. (This is why I still hoard old PCI Matrox cards)! But, the server is not the issue at hand. I am looking for mid-level PCI-X cards now. When I rebuild my gaming machine, we will talk top drawer cards! Thank you for the suggestion. I will re-read the review. Perhaps I am just too new to this new video revolution. Best, Duncan At 01:44 11/18/2008 -0800, you wrote: Given what he's been running on, I'm sure a hamster on a wheel is faster! ;) A review on Anandtech for it: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3444 Stan Zaske wrote: Duncan just wanted to have a video card that was competent for web based video and this card is obviously overkill for that but the price is very reasonable. It should even be powerful enough for some casual gaming at low resolutions. maccrawj wrote: Gotta love how Newegg's specs are always flat out wrong or have the wrong definition. The GPU is HD4350 but that's the card model, not the actual GPU's model, LOL! For accelerated video, you're probably write but I'd be suspect just based on how low the price is.
Re: [H] Video card question
I agree that either companies products would be fine. Personally speaking, I've upgraded my gaming box from an AMD 3850 to their current 4850 using Catalyst drivers going way back with zero issues. In December AMD is introducing a fascinating new mainstream feature called, Stream computing in version 8.12 which more or less turns your video card somewhat into a parallel processing super computer. That MSI card only has 80 streaming processors but is still (at least for some apps) considerably more powerful than your core 2 duo. nVidia also does this with CUDA and it should be interesting to see where this leads in the months and years ahead. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is one stream computing app I've been using for many months now and its way more powerful than the CPU version. Good Luck! DHSinclair wrote: j., Yes, thank you. I do understand. I do know that I will be doing your 'It's simple' kind of test. I do have to test the waters and form my own opinion. Yes, most is truly better than my very old Matrox cards. I do accept this. I do know their limitations. But, in a pinch, they still light up and allow most basic setup functions (which is what I use them for). I do not have any new technology spares lying around anymore. I am now brand new to the new PCI interfaces. Ouch! New lump on head!! LOL! Best, Duncan At 11:48 11/19/2008 -0800, you wrote: Mis-quotes of how bad ATI's driver issues are starting to wear thin. Both companies have issues that arise, generally with AGP video support or specific games, then maybe something else like general stability. The driver package is the same for the entire product line, true also with Nvidia. It's simple: You buy, try, scrutinize, return within 30 days if there's trouble. Anything has to be better than old Matrox cards, as good as they were in their day and at $30 it could cost a lot more to try. DHSinclair wrote: Stan, Well, yes and no. Yes, I have a new/replacement PC built; a C2D/P45/DDR3 that is just missing a video card. I do have 3 PCI cards that I can try, but I have to take another PC down to try. ATM, my spare G200-PCI may be bad. I will confirm this tonight. And, no, you missed nothing. I did appreciate the suggestion and the link to the Anandtech review. I may have to re-read the review. Perhaps I missed something. I just was not impressed with the video card's power usage, resources, and the driver (ATI) issues. However, as a first time try with a PCI-e card, the price and features are appealing. I have listened to the collective banter ATI vs. nVidia through the last 3 series of video cards. Sorry, I remain hopelessly confused still. And, now I have to learn/deal with a brand new card interface also. My apologies. Best, Duncan At 16:55 11/18/2008 -0600, you wrote: quote: But, I have this brandy, spanking, new set of toys that need a video card just to see if it even works.. :) Did I misunderstand something? DHSinclair wrote: J/Stan, Hey! Hey! It is a Guinea Pig; not a hamster. Yes, I may be 1 or 2 generations behind. I use AMD Barton 2500+'s, an AMD TBird 1400M, and some Intel P3's. Most of my video cards are nVidia GeForce 4's or nVidia FX5500's. Yes, not top drawer, but it all seems to do OK for my needs. I am not into PC-based HD video. I do not even own a wide-screen flat panel monitor yet. Sheesh! Perhaps it is time to banish myself from this collective! LOL! I did read the Anandtech review of the card Stan suggested. While it does seem to work OK, it does seem to have several power and resource negatives. They also mentioned driver problems with this card also. I have not been an ATI user either. The only ATI video anything I have is the on-board 3D Rage IIC PCI chip in the server-works Intel m/b. And, it is beginning to show signs of serious age and some video degradation. (This is why I still hoard old PCI Matrox cards)! But, the server is not the issue at hand. I am looking for mid-level PCI-X cards now. When I rebuild my gaming machine, we will talk top drawer cards! Thank you for the suggestion. I will re-read the review. Perhaps I am just too new to this new video revolution. Best, Duncan At 01:44 11/18/2008 -0800, you wrote: Given what he's been running on, I'm sure a hamster on a wheel is faster! ;) A review on Anandtech for it: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3444 Stan Zaske wrote: Duncan just wanted to have a video card that was competent for web based video and this card is obviously overkill for that but the price is very reasonable. It should even be powerful enough for some casual gaming at low resolutions. maccrawj wrote: Gotta love how Newegg's specs are always flat out wrong or have the wrong definition. The GPU is HD4350 but that's the card model, not the actual GPU's model, LOL! For accelerated video, you're probably write but I'd be suspect just based on how low the price is.
Re: [H] Video card question
Stan,
I do so get your focus. But, I have moved to Intel C2D, right or wrong for
my updates/upgrades. I will just have to deal with stuff I miss because of
this decision. ATM, Intel represents a larger choice than AMD does. Yes, I
do so want AMD to keep on trucking! Intel needs all the competition they
can get. I have zero bad comments about any AMD cpu I have ever used in the
last 10 years. I still use two of them ATM, and both run just like
torpedoes; hot-straight-normal ('hot' being a relative term, LOL!).
It is still all good right now. I will look at the ATI video cards in any case.
Best,
Duncan
At 16:38 11/19/2008 -0600, you wrote:
I agree that either companies products would be fine. Personally speaking,
I've upgraded my gaming box from an AMD 3850 to their current 4850 using
Catalyst drivers going way back with zero issues. In December AMD is
introducing a fascinating new mainstream feature called, Stream
computing in version 8.12 which more or less turns your video card
somewhat into a parallel processing super computer. That MSI card only has
80 streaming processors but is still (at least for some apps) considerably
more powerful than your core 2 duo. nVidia also does this with CUDA and it
should be interesting to see where this leads in the months and years
ahead. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is one stream computing app I've been using for many
months now and its way more powerful than the CPU version. Good Luck!
DHSinclair wrote:
j.,
Yes, thank you. I do understand. I do know that I will be doing your
'It's simple' kind of test. I do have to test the waters and form my own
opinion. Yes, most is truly better than my very old Matrox cards. I do
accept this. I do know their limitations. But, in a pinch, they still
light up and allow most basic setup functions (which is what I use them
for). I do not have any new technology spares lying around anymore. I am
now brand new to the new PCI interfaces.
Ouch! New lump on head!! LOL!
Best,
Duncan
At 11:48 11/19/2008 -0800, you wrote:
Mis-quotes of how bad ATI's driver issues are starting to wear thin.
Both companies have issues that arise, generally with AGP video support
or specific games, then maybe something else like general stability.
The driver package is the same for the entire product line, true also
with Nvidia.
It's simple: You buy, try, scrutinize, return within 30 days if
there's trouble. Anything has to be better than old Matrox cards, as
good as they were in their day and at $30 it could cost a lot more to try.
DHSinclair wrote:
Stan,
Well, yes and no. Yes, I have a new/replacement PC built; a
C2D/P45/DDR3 that is just missing a video card. I do have 3 PCI cards
that I can try, but I have to take another PC down to try. ATM, my
spare G200-PCI may be bad. I will confirm this tonight.
And, no, you missed nothing. I did appreciate the suggestion and the
link to the Anandtech review. I may have to re-read the review. Perhaps
I missed something. I just was not impressed with the video card's
power usage, resources, and the driver (ATI) issues.
However, as a first time try with a PCI-e card, the price and features
are appealing.
I have listened to the collective banter ATI vs. nVidia through the
last 3 series of video cards. Sorry, I remain hopelessly confused
still. And, now I have to learn/deal with a brand new card interface also.
My apologies.
Best,
Duncan
At 16:55 11/18/2008 -0600, you wrote:
quote: But, I have this brandy, spanking, new set of toys that need a
video card just to see if it even works.. :)
Did I misunderstand something?
DHSinclair wrote:
J/Stan,
Hey! Hey! It is a Guinea Pig; not a hamster. Yes, I may be 1 or 2
generations behind. I use AMD Barton 2500+'s, an AMD TBird 1400M, and
some Intel P3's. Most of my video cards are nVidia GeForce 4's or
nVidia FX5500's. Yes, not top drawer, but it all seems to do OK for
my needs. I am not into PC-based HD video. I do not even own a
wide-screen flat panel monitor yet. Sheesh! Perhaps it is time to
banish myself from this collective! LOL!
I did read the Anandtech review of the card Stan suggested. While it
does seem to work OK, it does seem to have several power and resource
negatives. They also mentioned driver problems with this card also. I
have not been an ATI user either. The only ATI video anything I have
is the on-board 3D Rage IIC PCI chip in the server-works Intel m/b.
And, it is beginning to show signs of serious age and some video
degradation. (This is why I still hoard old PCI Matrox cards)! But,
the server is not the issue at hand. I am looking for mid-level
PCI-X cards now.
When I rebuild my gaming machine, we will talk top drawer cards!
Thank you for the suggestion. I will re-read the review. Perhaps I am
just too new to this new video revolution.
Best,
Duncan
At 01:44 11/18/2008 -0800, you wrote:
Given what he's been running on, I'm sure a hamster on a wheel is
faster! ;)
A
Re: [H] Video card question
Sorry I went off on a tangent, I just meant to say that nVidia makes
fine video cards as well as AMD.
DHSinclair wrote:
Stan,
I do so get your focus. But, I have moved to Intel C2D, right or wrong
for my updates/upgrades. I will just have to deal with stuff I miss
because of this decision. ATM, Intel represents a larger choice than
AMD does. Yes, I do so want AMD to keep on trucking! Intel needs all
the competition they can get. I have zero bad comments about any AMD
cpu I have ever used in the last 10 years. I still use two of them
ATM, and both run just like torpedoes; hot-straight-normal ('hot'
being a relative term, LOL!).
It is still all good right now. I will look at the ATI video cards in
any case.
Best,
Duncan
At 16:38 11/19/2008 -0600, you wrote:
I agree that either companies products would be fine. Personally
speaking, I've upgraded my gaming box from an AMD 3850 to their
current 4850 using Catalyst drivers going way back with zero issues.
In December AMD is introducing a fascinating new mainstream feature
called, Stream computing in version 8.12 which more or less turns
your video card somewhat into a parallel processing super computer.
That MSI card only has 80 streaming processors but is still (at least
for some apps) considerably more powerful than your core 2 duo.
nVidia also does this with CUDA and it should be interesting to see
where this leads in the months and years ahead. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is one
stream computing app I've been using for many months now and its way
more powerful than the CPU version. Good Luck!
DHSinclair wrote:
j.,
Yes, thank you. I do understand. I do know that I will be doing your
'It's simple' kind of test. I do have to test the waters and form my
own opinion. Yes, most is truly better than my very old Matrox
cards. I do accept this. I do know their limitations. But, in a
pinch, they still light up and allow most basic setup functions
(which is what I use them for). I do not have any new technology
spares lying around anymore. I am now brand new to the new PCI
interfaces.
Ouch! New lump on head!! LOL!
Best,
Duncan
At 11:48 11/19/2008 -0800, you wrote:
Mis-quotes of how bad ATI's driver issues are starting to wear
thin. Both companies have issues that arise, generally with AGP
video support or specific games, then maybe something else like
general stability.
The driver package is the same for the entire product line, true
also with Nvidia.
It's simple: You buy, try, scrutinize, return within 30 days if
there's trouble. Anything has to be better than old Matrox cards,
as good as they were in their day and at $30 it could cost a lot
more to try.
DHSinclair wrote:
Stan,
Well, yes and no. Yes, I have a new/replacement PC built; a
C2D/P45/DDR3 that is just missing a video card. I do have 3 PCI
cards that I can try, but I have to take another PC down to try.
ATM, my spare G200-PCI may be bad. I will confirm this tonight.
And, no, you missed nothing. I did appreciate the suggestion and
the link to the Anandtech review. I may have to re-read the
review. Perhaps I missed something. I just was not impressed with
the video card's power usage, resources, and the driver (ATI) issues.
However, as a first time try with a PCI-e card, the price and
features are appealing.
I have listened to the collective banter ATI vs. nVidia through
the last 3 series of video cards. Sorry, I remain hopelessly
confused still. And, now I have to learn/deal with a brand new
card interface also.
My apologies.
Best,
Duncan
At 16:55 11/18/2008 -0600, you wrote:
quote: But, I have this brandy, spanking, new set of toys that
need a video card just to see if it even works.. :)
Did I misunderstand something?
DHSinclair wrote:
J/Stan,
Hey! Hey! It is a Guinea Pig; not a hamster. Yes, I may be 1 or
2 generations behind. I use AMD Barton 2500+'s, an AMD TBird
1400M, and some Intel P3's. Most of my video cards are nVidia
GeForce 4's or nVidia FX5500's. Yes, not top drawer, but it all
seems to do OK for my needs. I am not into PC-based HD video. I
do not even own a wide-screen flat panel monitor yet. Sheesh!
Perhaps it is time to banish myself from this collective! LOL!
I did read the Anandtech review of the card Stan suggested.
While it does seem to work OK, it does seem to have several
power and resource negatives. They also mentioned driver
problems with this card also. I have not been an ATI user
either. The only ATI video anything I have is the on-board 3D
Rage IIC PCI chip in the server-works Intel m/b.
And, it is beginning to show signs of serious age and some video
degradation. (This is why I still hoard old PCI Matrox cards)!
But, the server is not the issue at hand. I am looking for
mid-level PCI-X cards now.
When I rebuild my gaming machine, we will talk top drawer cards!
Thank you for the suggestion. I will re-read the review. Perhaps
I am just too new to this new video revolution.
Best,
Re: [H] Video card question
Stan,
You have not reason to apologize. Really!
I recall your focus. And, I like your focus. I read. I decide. I do.
I have been an nVidia fan for years, but, I have lost focus. Obviosly!
New stuff to learn.
No harm. No foul.
The new toy is now up and running w2k. I will probably snag your suggestion
just for a start. If nothing else, the card will become my when all else
fails this video card works! At least it will be some generations above
my old Matrox cards! LOL!
I have zero experience with anything newer that a PCI or AGP slot! Yes,
painful, but true!
But, the damn new machine is running well with a PCI Matrox G200! Damn!
Best,
Duncan
At 17:44 11/19/2008 -0600, you wrote:
Sorry I went off on a tangent, I just meant to say that nVidia makes fine
video cards as well as AMD.
DHSinclair wrote:
Stan,
I do so get your focus. But, I have moved to Intel C2D, right or wrong
for my updates/upgrades. I will just have to deal with stuff I miss
because of this decision. ATM, Intel represents a larger choice than AMD
does. Yes, I do so want AMD to keep on trucking! Intel needs all the
competition they can get. I have zero bad comments about any AMD cpu I
have ever used in the last 10 years. I still use two of them ATM, and
both run just like torpedoes; hot-straight-normal ('hot' being a relative
term, LOL!).
It is still all good right now. I will look at the ATI video cards in any
case.
Best,
Duncan
At 16:38 11/19/2008 -0600, you wrote:
I agree that either companies products would be fine. Personally
speaking, I've upgraded my gaming box from an AMD 3850 to their current
4850 using Catalyst drivers going way back with zero issues. In December
AMD is introducing a fascinating new mainstream feature called, Stream
computing in version 8.12 which more or less turns your video card
somewhat into a parallel processing super computer. That MSI card only
has 80 streaming processors but is still (at least for some apps)
considerably more powerful than your core 2 duo. nVidia also does this
with CUDA and it should be interesting to see where this leads in the
months and years ahead. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is one stream computing app I've
been using for many months now and its way more powerful than the CPU
version. Good Luck!
DHSinclair wrote:
j.,
Yes, thank you. I do understand. I do know that I will be doing your
'It's simple' kind of test. I do have to test the waters and form my
own opinion. Yes, most is truly better than my very old Matrox cards.
I do accept this. I do know their limitations. But, in a pinch, they
still light up and allow most basic setup functions (which is what I
use them for). I do not have any new technology spares lying around
anymore. I am now brand new to the new PCI interfaces.
Ouch! New lump on head!! LOL!
Best,
Duncan
At 11:48 11/19/2008 -0800, you wrote:
Mis-quotes of how bad ATI's driver issues are starting to wear thin.
Both companies have issues that arise, generally with AGP video
support or specific games, then maybe something else like general stability.
The driver package is the same for the entire product line, true also
with Nvidia.
It's simple: You buy, try, scrutinize, return within 30 days if
there's trouble. Anything has to be better than old Matrox cards, as
good as they were in their day and at $30 it could cost a lot more to try.
DHSinclair wrote:
Stan,
Well, yes and no. Yes, I have a new/replacement PC built; a
C2D/P45/DDR3 that is just missing a video card. I do have 3 PCI
cards that I can try, but I have to take another PC down to try. ATM,
my spare G200-PCI may be bad. I will confirm this tonight.
And, no, you missed nothing. I did appreciate the suggestion and the
link to the Anandtech review. I may have to re-read the review.
Perhaps I missed something. I just was not impressed with the video
card's power usage, resources, and the driver (ATI) issues.
However, as a first time try with a PCI-e card, the price and
features are appealing.
I have listened to the collective banter ATI vs. nVidia through the
last 3 series of video cards. Sorry, I remain hopelessly confused
still. And, now I have to learn/deal with a brand new card interface also.
My apologies.
Best,
Duncan
At 16:55 11/18/2008 -0600, you wrote:
quote: But, I have this brandy, spanking, new set of toys that need
a video card just to see if it even works.. :)
Did I misunderstand something?
DHSinclair wrote:
J/Stan,
Hey! Hey! It is a Guinea Pig; not a hamster. Yes, I may be 1 or 2
generations behind. I use AMD Barton 2500+'s, an AMD TBird 1400M,
and some Intel P3's. Most of my video cards are nVidia GeForce 4's
or nVidia FX5500's. Yes, not top drawer, but it all seems to do OK
for my needs. I am not into PC-based HD video. I do not even own a
wide-screen flat panel monitor yet. Sheesh!
Perhaps it is time to banish myself from this collective! LOL!
I did read the Anandtech review of the card Stan suggested. While
Re: [H] Video card question
A Matrox G200 running on a C2D box with W2K. Now that's what I call,
best bang for the buck. I'm very impressed!
DHSinclair wrote:
Stan,
You have not reason to apologize. Really!
I recall your focus. And, I like your focus. I read. I decide. I do.
I have been an nVidia fan for years, but, I have lost focus. Obviosly!
New stuff to learn.
No harm. No foul.
The new toy is now up and running w2k. I will probably snag your
suggestion just for a start. If nothing else, the card will become my
when all else fails this video card works! At least it will be some
generations above my old Matrox cards! LOL!
I have zero experience with anything newer that a PCI or AGP slot!
Yes, painful, but true!
But, the damn new machine is running well with a PCI Matrox G200! Damn!
Best,
Duncan
At 17:44 11/19/2008 -0600, you wrote:
Sorry I went off on a tangent, I just meant to say that nVidia makes
fine video cards as well as AMD.
DHSinclair wrote:
Stan,
I do so get your focus. But, I have moved to Intel C2D, right or
wrong for my updates/upgrades. I will just have to deal with stuff
I miss because of this decision. ATM, Intel represents a larger
choice than AMD does. Yes, I do so want AMD to keep on trucking!
Intel needs all the competition they can get. I have zero bad
comments about any AMD cpu I have ever used in the last 10 years. I
still use two of them ATM, and both run just like torpedoes;
hot-straight-normal ('hot' being a relative term, LOL!).
It is still all good right now. I will look at the ATI video cards
in any case.
Best,
Duncan
At 16:38 11/19/2008 -0600, you wrote:
I agree that either companies products would be fine. Personally
speaking, I've upgraded my gaming box from an AMD 3850 to their
current 4850 using Catalyst drivers going way back with zero
issues. In December AMD is introducing a fascinating new mainstream
feature called, Stream computing in version 8.12 which more or
less turns your video card somewhat into a parallel processing
super computer. That MSI card only has 80 streaming processors but
is still (at least for some apps) considerably more powerful than
your core 2 duo. nVidia also does this with CUDA and it should be
interesting to see where this leads in the months and years ahead.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] is one stream computing app I've been using for many
months now and its way more powerful than the CPU version. Good Luck!
DHSinclair wrote:
j.,
Yes, thank you. I do understand. I do know that I will be doing
your 'It's simple' kind of test. I do have to test the waters and
form my own opinion. Yes, most is truly better than my very old
Matrox cards. I do accept this. I do know their limitations. But,
in a pinch, they still light up and allow most basic setup
functions (which is what I use them for). I do not have any new
technology spares lying around anymore. I am now brand new to the
new PCI interfaces.
Ouch! New lump on head!! LOL!
Best,
Duncan
At 11:48 11/19/2008 -0800, you wrote:
Mis-quotes of how bad ATI's driver issues are starting to wear
thin. Both companies have issues that arise, generally with AGP
video support or specific games, then maybe something else like
general stability.
The driver package is the same for the entire product line, true
also with Nvidia.
It's simple: You buy, try, scrutinize, return within 30 days if
there's trouble. Anything has to be better than old Matrox cards,
as good as they were in their day and at $30 it could cost a lot
more to try.
DHSinclair wrote:
Stan,
Well, yes and no. Yes, I have a new/replacement PC built; a
C2D/P45/DDR3 that is just missing a video card. I do have 3 PCI
cards that I can try, but I have to take another PC down to try.
ATM, my spare G200-PCI may be bad. I will confirm this tonight.
And, no, you missed nothing. I did appreciate the suggestion and
the link to the Anandtech review. I may have to re-read the
review. Perhaps I missed something. I just was not impressed
with the video card's power usage, resources, and the driver
(ATI) issues.
However, as a first time try with a PCI-e card, the price and
features are appealing.
I have listened to the collective banter ATI vs. nVidia through
the last 3 series of video cards. Sorry, I remain hopelessly
confused still. And, now I have to learn/deal with a brand new
card interface also.
My apologies.
Best,
Duncan
At 16:55 11/18/2008 -0600, you wrote:
quote: But, I have this brandy, spanking, new set of toys that
need a video card just to see if it even works.. :)
Did I misunderstand something?
DHSinclair wrote:
J/Stan,
Hey! Hey! It is a Guinea Pig; not a hamster. Yes, I may be 1
or 2 generations behind. I use AMD Barton 2500+'s, an AMD
TBird 1400M, and some Intel P3's. Most of my video cards are
nVidia GeForce 4's or nVidia FX5500's. Yes, not top drawer,
but it all seems to do OK for my needs. I am not into PC-based
HD video. I do not even own a wide-screen flat panel monitor
yet.
Re: [H] Video card question
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:07:26 -0500 DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: new machine is running well with a PCI Matrox G200! Damn! major snip For accelerated video, you're probably write but I'd be suspect just based on how low the price is. That's twelve quotes :) Duncan, Email me your address, I'll send you the MSI card mentioned earlier in this thread. And thanks for the donation of stuff to the Habitat for Humanities project. best, al -- Al The Space Elevator will be built about 50 years after everyone stops laughing -- Sir Arthur C. Clarke
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Stan,
Yes, the old G200 is happily doing video duties on a new C2D
install. Surprised I am Still.
LOL!
I am very much in the run-whatcha-brung crowd. Perhaps this confused my
earlier questions. I do apologize. I really meant no disrespect. I was just
asking questions. And, searching for possibilities. Nothing more. I do
know how many generations behind I am. Come January, I move backward One
more. Such is life.
Trust me; when I do start a bomber-build I will consult the collective
1st. However, by that time, I will be running some sort of baseline
hdw. The questions will be very focused. I do not believe I am there yet.
I know that the collective has the answers; I just ask in my odd
way. :)
Best,
Duncan
At 18:18 11/19/2008 -0600, you wrote:
A Matrox G200 running on a C2D box with W2K. Now that's what I call, best
bang for the buck. I'm very impressed!
DHSinclair wrote:
Stan,
You have not reason to apologize. Really!
I recall your focus. And, I like your focus. I read. I decide. I do.
I have been an nVidia fan for years, but, I have lost focus. Obviosly!
New stuff to learn.
No harm. No foul.
The new toy is now up and running w2k. I will probably snag your
suggestion just for a start. If nothing else, the card will become my
when all else fails this video card works! At least it will be some
generations above my old Matrox cards! LOL!
I have zero experience with anything newer that a PCI or AGP slot!
Yes, painful, but true!
But, the damn new machine is running well with a PCI Matrox G200! Damn!
Best,
Duncan
At 17:44 11/19/2008 -0600, you wrote:
Sorry I went off on a tangent, I just meant to say that nVidia makes
fine video cards as well as AMD.
DHSinclair wrote:
Stan,
I do so get your focus. But, I have moved to Intel C2D, right or wrong
for my updates/upgrades. I will just have to deal with stuff I miss
because of this decision. ATM, Intel represents a larger choice than
AMD does. Yes, I do so want AMD to keep on trucking!
Intel needs all the competition they can get. I have zero bad comments
about any AMD cpu I have ever used in the last 10 years. I still use
two of them ATM, and both run just like torpedoes; hot-straight-normal
('hot' being a relative term, LOL!).
It is still all good right now. I will look at the ATI video cards in
any case.
Best,
Duncan
At 16:38 11/19/2008 -0600, you wrote:
I agree that either companies products would be fine. Personally
speaking, I've upgraded my gaming box from an AMD 3850 to their
current 4850 using Catalyst drivers going way back with zero issues.
In December AMD is introducing a fascinating new mainstream feature
called, Stream computing in version 8.12 which more or less turns
your video card somewhat into a parallel processing super computer.
That MSI card only has 80 streaming processors but is still (at least
for some apps) considerably more powerful than your core 2 duo. nVidia
also does this with CUDA and it should be interesting to see where
this leads in the months and years ahead. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is one stream
computing app I've been using for many months now and its way more
powerful than the CPU version. Good Luck!
DHSinclair wrote:
j.,
Yes, thank you. I do understand. I do know that I will be doing your
'It's simple' kind of test. I do have to test the waters and form my
own opinion. Yes, most is truly better than my very old Matrox
cards. I do accept this. I do know their limitations. But, in a
pinch, they still light up and allow most basic setup functions
(which is what I use them for). I do not have any new technology
spares lying around anymore. I am now brand new to the new PCI interfaces.
Ouch! New lump on head!! LOL!
Best,
Duncan
At 11:48 11/19/2008 -0800, you wrote:
Mis-quotes of how bad ATI's driver issues are starting to wear thin.
Both companies have issues that arise, generally with AGP video
support or specific games, then maybe something else like general stability.
The driver package is the same for the entire product line, true
also with Nvidia.
It's simple: You buy, try, scrutinize, return within 30 days if
there's trouble. Anything has to be better than old Matrox cards, as
good as they were in their day and at $30 it could cost a lot more to try.
DHSinclair wrote:
Stan,
Well, yes and no. Yes, I have a new/replacement PC built; a
C2D/P45/DDR3 that is just missing a video card. I do have 3 PCI
cards that I can try, but I have to take another PC down to try.
ATM, my spare G200-PCI may be bad. I will confirm this tonight.
And, no, you missed nothing. I did appreciate the suggestion and
the link to the Anandtech review. I may have to re-read the review.
Perhaps I missed something. I just was not impressed with the video
card's power usage, resources, and the driver (ATI) issues.
However, as a first time try with a PCI-e card, the price and
features are appealing.
I have listened to the collective banter ATI vs. nVidia
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Given what he's been running on, I'm sure a hamster on a wheel is faster! ;) A review on Anandtech for it: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3444 Stan Zaske wrote: Duncan just wanted to have a video card that was competent for web based video and this card is obviously overkill for that but the price is very reasonable. It should even be powerful enough for some casual gaming at low resolutions. maccrawj wrote: Gotta love how Newegg's specs are always flat out wrong or have the wrong definition. The GPU is HD4350 but that's the card model, not the actual GPU's model, LOL! For accelerated video, you're probably write but I'd be suspect just based on how low the price is.
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J/Stan, Hey! Hey! It is a Guinea Pig; not a hamster. Yes, I may be 1 or 2 generations behind. I use AMD Barton 2500+'s, an AMD TBird 1400M, and some Intel P3's. Most of my video cards are nVidia GeForce 4's or nVidia FX5500's. Yes, not top drawer, but it all seems to do OK for my needs. I am not into PC-based HD video. I do not even own a wide-screen flat panel monitor yet. Sheesh! Perhaps it is time to banish myself from this collective! LOL! I did read the Anandtech review of the card Stan suggested. While it does seem to work OK, it does seem to have several power and resource negatives. They also mentioned driver problems with this card also. I have not been an ATI user either. The only ATI video anything I have is the on-board 3D Rage IIC PCI chip in the server-works Intel m/b. And, it is beginning to show signs of serious age and some video degradation. (This is why I still hoard old PCI Matrox cards)! But, the server is not the issue at hand. I am looking for mid-level PCI-X cards now. When I rebuild my gaming machine, we will talk top drawer cards! Thank you for the suggestion. I will re-read the review. Perhaps I am just too new to this new video revolution. Best, Duncan At 01:44 11/18/2008 -0800, you wrote: Given what he's been running on, I'm sure a hamster on a wheel is faster! ;) A review on Anandtech for it: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3444 Stan Zaske wrote: Duncan just wanted to have a video card that was competent for web based video and this card is obviously overkill for that but the price is very reasonable. It should even be powerful enough for some casual gaming at low resolutions. maccrawj wrote: Gotta love how Newegg's specs are always flat out wrong or have the wrong definition. The GPU is HD4350 but that's the card model, not the actual GPU's model, LOL! For accelerated video, you're probably write but I'd be suspect just based on how low the price is.
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Stan, Well, yes and no. Yes, I have a new/replacement PC built; a C2D/P45/DDR3 that is just missing a video card. I do have 3 PCI cards that I can try, but I have to take another PC down to try. ATM, my spare G200-PCI may be bad. I will confirm this tonight. And, no, you missed nothing. I did appreciate the suggestion and the link to the Anandtech review. I may have to re-read the review. Perhaps I missed something. I just was not impressed with the video card's power usage, resources, and the driver (ATI) issues. However, as a first time try with a PCI-e card, the price and features are appealing. I have listened to the collective banter ATI vs. nVidia through the last 3 series of video cards. Sorry, I remain hopelessly confused still. And, now I have to learn/deal with a brand new card interface also. My apologies. Best, Duncan At 16:55 11/18/2008 -0600, you wrote: quote: But, I have this brandy, spanking, new set of toys that need a video card just to see if it even works.. :) Did I misunderstand something? DHSinclair wrote: J/Stan, Hey! Hey! It is a Guinea Pig; not a hamster. Yes, I may be 1 or 2 generations behind. I use AMD Barton 2500+'s, an AMD TBird 1400M, and some Intel P3's. Most of my video cards are nVidia GeForce 4's or nVidia FX5500's. Yes, not top drawer, but it all seems to do OK for my needs. I am not into PC-based HD video. I do not even own a wide-screen flat panel monitor yet. Sheesh! Perhaps it is time to banish myself from this collective! LOL! I did read the Anandtech review of the card Stan suggested. While it does seem to work OK, it does seem to have several power and resource negatives. They also mentioned driver problems with this card also. I have not been an ATI user either. The only ATI video anything I have is the on-board 3D Rage IIC PCI chip in the server-works Intel m/b. And, it is beginning to show signs of serious age and some video degradation. (This is why I still hoard old PCI Matrox cards)! But, the server is not the issue at hand. I am looking for mid-level PCI-X cards now. When I rebuild my gaming machine, we will talk top drawer cards! Thank you for the suggestion. I will re-read the review. Perhaps I am just too new to this new video revolution. Best, Duncan At 01:44 11/18/2008 -0800, you wrote: Given what he's been running on, I'm sure a hamster on a wheel is faster! ;) A review on Anandtech for it: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3444 Stan Zaske wrote: Duncan just wanted to have a video card that was competent for web based video and this card is obviously overkill for that but the price is very reasonable. It should even be powerful enough for some casual gaming at low resolutions. maccrawj wrote: Gotta love how Newegg's specs are always flat out wrong or have the wrong definition. The GPU is HD4350 but that's the card model, not the actual GPU's model, LOL! For accelerated video, you're probably write but I'd be suspect just based on how low the price is.
[H] Video card question
Let's say I have an old PCI video card. Let's say that I 'think' that it might be bad. (it seems to be weak lighting up the display at post!) But, I have this brandy, spanking, new set of toys that need a video card just to see if it even works.. :) What are the chances that a suspicious, old, video card might do any damage to the new collection of toys? Yes, I am trying hard, not to drop coin on a really new PCIx model video card; yet! Or, can you suggest a mid-grade current video card? The new toy is NOT an EXTREME GAMER, but I would like to view some simple web-based video; like UToob and/or dot-wmv like files. Best, Duncan
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Excellent card with great value for those that game seldom yet it will also accelerate HD video if you watch Blue Ray movies. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127391 DHSinclair wrote: Let's say I have an old PCI video card. Let's say that I 'think' that it might be bad. (it seems to be weak lighting up the display at post!) But, I have this brandy, spanking, new set of toys that need a video card just to see if it even works.. :) What are the chances that a suspicious, old, video card might do any damage to the new collection of toys? Yes, I am trying hard, not to drop coin on a really new PCIx model video card; yet! Or, can you suggest a mid-grade current video card? The new toy is NOT an EXTREME GAMER, but I would like to view some simple web-based video; like UToob and/or dot-wmv like files. Best, Duncan
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Thanks Stan, I'll give it a look. Duncan At 16:37 11/17/2008 -0600, you wrote: Excellent card with great value for those that game seldom yet it will also accelerate HD video if you watch Blue Ray movies. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127391 DHSinclair wrote: Let's say I have an old PCI video card. Let's say that I 'think' that it might be bad. (it seems to be weak lighting up the display at post!) But, I have this brandy, spanking, new set of toys that need a video card just to see if it even works.. :) What are the chances that a suspicious, old, video card might do any damage to the new collection of toys? Yes, I am trying hard, not to drop coin on a really new PCIx model video card; yet! Or, can you suggest a mid-grade current video card? The new toy is NOT an EXTREME GAMER, but I would like to view some simple web-based video; like UToob and/or dot-wmv like files. Best, Duncan
Re: [H] Video card question
Gotta love how Newegg's specs are always flat out wrong or have the wrong definition. The GPU is HD4350 but that's the card model, not the actual GPU's model, LOL! For accelerated video, you're probably write but I'd be suspect just based on how low the price is. Stan Zaske wrote: Excellent card with great value for those that game seldom yet it will also accelerate HD video if you watch Blue Ray movies. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127391 DHSinclair wrote: Let's say I have an old PCI video card. Let's say that I 'think' that it might be bad. (it seems to be weak lighting up the display at post!) But, I have this brandy, spanking, new set of toys that need a video card just to see if it even works.. :) What are the chances that a suspicious, old, video card might do any damage to the new collection of toys? Yes, I am trying hard, not to drop coin on a really new PCIx model video card; yet! Or, can you suggest a mid-grade current video card? The new toy is NOT an EXTREME GAMER, but I would like to view some simple web-based video; like UToob and/or dot-wmv like files. Best, Duncan
Re: [H] Video card question
Duncan just wanted to have a video card that was competent for web based video and this card is obviously overkill for that but the price is very reasonable. It should even be powerful enough for some casual gaming at low resolutions. maccrawj wrote: Gotta love how Newegg's specs are always flat out wrong or have the wrong definition. The GPU is HD4350 but that's the card model, not the actual GPU's model, LOL! For accelerated video, you're probably write but I'd be suspect just based on how low the price is. Stan Zaske wrote: Excellent card with great value for those that game seldom yet it will also accelerate HD video if you watch Blue Ray movies. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127391 DHSinclair wrote: Let's say I have an old PCI video card. Let's say that I 'think' that it might be bad. (it seems to be weak lighting up the display at post!) But, I have this brandy, spanking, new set of toys that need a video card just to see if it even works.. :) What are the chances that a suspicious, old, video card might do any damage to the new collection of toys? Yes, I am trying hard, not to drop coin on a really new PCIx model video card; yet! Or, can you suggest a mid-grade current video card? The new toy is NOT an EXTREME GAMER, but I would like to view some simple web-based video; like UToob and/or dot-wmv like files. Best, Duncan
Re: [H] Video Card Question
I want to thank everyone who replied with suggestions, opinions and personal experience with video cards. I finally decided on the Sapphire Radeon HD 2600PRO 256MB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express x16 card. Price, performance and reputation came together in the proper proportions. Installed the card and software and so far, excellent! No more problems with artifacts. Civ IV and Red Alert Aftermath work without crashing the system. Dual DVI-I + HDTV outputs (only using the two DVI interfaces at the moment). And no underclocking necessary! Again, thanks to all who responded. Jim Maki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Agreed on Sapphire's RMA being no sweat, good company. HD3850 Best bang compared to 8800GT when they hit $200 in a few weeks??? News to me! zaske wrote: James Maki wrote: I've owned several Sapphire cards and even had a Radeon 9600XT go out on me. Sapphire gave me an RMA no questions of warranty and sent out a replacement within a couple weeks. Highly recommended! I hope you'll support AMD because as we all know without their competition we'd still be barely past the era of the PIII and prices would be astronomical as well. You should read some reviews on the new AMD 3850's as they are currently the best bang for the buck @ an inexpensive $180. It's really not that much more expensive than the others you're looking @ and would future proof you for a couple more years. Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/
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At 08:03 PM 23/11/2007, James Maki wrote: Sapphire ATI card- (~$85 with shipping) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102103 I've used Sapphire for some time. Seems like a reliable brand. T
Re: [H] Video Card Question
James Maki wrote: -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington At 01:58 PM 22/11/2007, James Maki wrote: From what I could find, that was my diagnosis as well. Hence the reason I was looking for suggestions for a new card :) Oh. Duh. I'd look at the X1650 or HD2600 Pro. They are fairly inexpensive and will give you a speed boost. On the NVidia side, I'd look at the 8600 line. T Any comments on these two cards? Price seems about right. Not personally familiar with these brands. Sapphire ATI card- (~$85 with shipping) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102103 XFX nVidia card- (~$97 with rebate and shipping) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150230 Thanks for the input. Jim Maki [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've owned several Sapphire cards and even had a Radeon 9600XT go out on me. Sapphire gave me an RMA no questions of warranty and sent out a replacement within a couple weeks. Highly recommended! I hope you'll support AMD because as we all know without their competition we'd still be barely past the era of the PIII and prices would be astronomical as well. You should read some reviews on the new AMD 3850's as they are currently the best bang for the buck @ an inexpensive $180. It's really not that much more expensive than the others you're looking @ and would future proof you for a couple more years.
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I'd skip the x1650 and look into a X1950 or better. The X1300 X1650 series are rebadging jokes played upon the consumer. The X1650XT's can't even match X850XT's which have older RV480 chipsets, lower clock, a larger 256-bit memory bus. http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx=33model1=734model2=741chart=318 Thane Sherrington wrote: At 01:58 PM 22/11/2007, James Maki wrote: From what I could find, that was my diagnosis as well. Hence the reason I was looking for suggestions for a new card :) Oh. Duh. I'd look at the X1650 or HD2600 Pro. They are fairly inexpensive and will give you a speed boost. On the NVidia side, I'd look at the 8600 line. T Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/
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At 01:58 PM 22/11/2007, James Maki wrote: From what I could find, that was my diagnosis as well. Hence the reason I was looking for suggestions for a new card :) Oh. Duh. I'd look at the X1650 or HD2600 Pro. They are fairly inexpensive and will give you a speed boost. On the NVidia side, I'd look at the 8600 line. T
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Jim, If you have the rest of the support for it, I'd go with this: XFX nVidia card- (~$97 with rebate and shipping) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150230 I have not had completely good use of an ATI card yet. I do have a server with an on-board ATI RAGE chip. It does still work. Nothing to write home about, however. Very old. Have done nVidia since along time ago. I'll admit that my fastest nVidia card is a FX5600, and, I still use PCI and AGP slots. So, YMMV. But, I still believe nVidia has the edge for general use. Others, may differ. Best, Duncan
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-Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington At 01:58 PM 22/11/2007, James Maki wrote: From what I could find, that was my diagnosis as well. Hence the reason I was looking for suggestions for a new card :) Oh. Duh. I'd look at the X1650 or HD2600 Pro. They are fairly inexpensive and will give you a speed boost. On the NVidia side, I'd look at the 8600 line. T Any comments on these two cards? Price seems about right. Not personally familiar with these brands. Sapphire ATI card- (~$85 with shipping) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102103 XFX nVidia card- (~$97 with rebate and shipping) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150230 Thanks for the input. Jim Maki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 10:26 PM 21/11/2007, James Maki wrote: Already checked. Fan working and dust bunny free! Case, filters, temps and fans all check out. Sounds to me like you have bad video RAM. T
[H] Video Card Question
First, so glad to be back on the list! I was really missing the posts. Now, I have a PCI-e x16, Gigabyte Radeon X600 video card that is giving me some problems. I have had to underclock to prevent artifacts and Civ 4 from crashing my system. So, I am looking for a new card (for Christmas?) and am befuddled by all the choices and varieties. Most of the hardware review sites focus on the gaming community. Other than Civ 4, I do little gaming. Perhaps a new game a Christmas will peak my interest. I am currently running a dual monitor setup with a 19 LCD (dvi)in landscape mode and a 15 (VGA) in portrait mode. Tom's Hardware list had a chart with models from ATI and nVidia groups according to performance and suggested getting a new model ONLY if you could jump at least 3 groups. My question is, with my seemingly modest needs and with the X600 meeting thoses needs at the present, what would be a good upgrade for this card? I am running XP pro with NO intention of a Vista upgrade in the near future. Important issues would be a card that is not prone to overheating or with a loud fan. Suggestions? Thanks, Jim Maki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Degraded performance IMHO is very rare because when any of the electronics fail it stops working. Sounds like you have a centimeter of dust covering the thing. Time to clean out the dust bunnies my friend! Happy turkey day! James Maki wrote: First, so glad to be back on the list! I was really missing the posts. Now, I have a PCI-e x16, Gigabyte Radeon X600 video card that is giving me some problems. I have had to underclock to prevent artifacts and Civ 4 from crashing my system. So, I am looking for a new card (for Christmas?) and am befuddled by all the choices and varieties. Most of the hardware review sites focus on the gaming community. Other than Civ 4, I do little gaming. Perhaps a new game a Christmas will peak my interest. I am currently running a dual monitor setup with a 19 LCD (dvi)in landscape mode and a 15 (VGA) in portrait mode. Tom's Hardware list had a chart with models from ATI and nVidia groups according to performance and suggested getting a new model ONLY if you could jump at least 3 groups. My question is, with my seemingly modest needs and with the X600 meeting thoses needs at the present, what would be a good upgrade for this card? I am running XP pro with NO intention of a Vista upgrade in the near future. Important issues would be a card that is not prone to overheating or with a loud fan. Suggestions? Thanks, Jim Maki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Already checked. Fan working and dust bunny free! Case, filters, temps and fans all check out. Thanks for playing and have an enjoyable Turkey Day yourself! Jim -Original Message- From: zaske Degraded performance IMHO is very rare because when any of the electronics fail it stops working. Sounds like you have a centimeter of dust covering the thing. Time to clean out the dust bunnies my friend! Happy turkey day!
