Re: [hlds] Proposal

[Chris Dunphy]

I agree that contract farmers and friendlies create problems on Casual servers. 
I’ve joined games where it seems like only 5 other people on my team are 
actually playing the game, while the rest are off in some corner doing nothing 
but being Heavy with the Holiday Punch out. They’re not even playing the game, 
they’re off in another world doing nothing but taking up a player slot. I wish 
there was a way to prevent this from happening, but there isn’t. I’m not sure 
if there will ever be. Until then, playing on Casual will be a subpar 
experience.



From: Josh Russell
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 4:53 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Proposal

I'm not actually really sure why "easy contract farming" is such a big deal for 
this community server population issue.  I don't do it, but contract farmers 
(and friendlies) not paying attention to the objective is a major problem on 
casual servers, as long as they don't have/refuse to go to a social space, or a 
TDM mode, which they seem to want (because, of course they do), they will 
sit on Casual because they can, and it's easy for them to do.  It's not often 
enough that they will have a votekick be successful against them.  It is also 
not all that much harder (currently) to farm the contracts on Casual servers, 
without paying attention to the objective, anyways, than it would be on a 
contract farming server.

As I said in the beginning, Casual (and probably contracts) should have been 
given 100% to community servers, while having a 12v12 Comp with stricter 
restrictions and punishments.  Some people want a competitive atmosphere and 
balanced matches, but not 6s.  Casual is too much of not that.  While Community 
servers needed a shot in the arm and they didn't get that.  It's just all been 
very mishandled imo.

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 4:29 PM, William Bevans  wrote:
Back to the topic and not the petty drama, I could see Vavle not wanting to do 
this due to the fact that we all know that some community's will find ways to 
abuse it to get easy contract points. Maybe having Community Server only 
contracts will work but even that could be abused.

On Nov 9, 2017 3:26 PM, "James Haikin"  wrote:
Dude

No one caares

Go away


-James

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 1:20 PM, bottige...@gmail.com  
wrote:
You could have ignored it. You could have just said "Not true, but it's not the 
time and place to discuss it here."

I already stated our reasons for ignoring things like this which we have done 
for many years, and just doesn't work. A weak response like "Not true" and not 
offering any sort of substantial response is not going to convince anyone 
either.

This is exactly the time and the place to discuss it. What exactly do you 
accomplish if you let other people slander you in public and you only respond 
in private??? If you don't refute them in public, then people will just assume 
they are telling the truth.

It is sad that you are all so invested in this idea and terrified that Valve 
will ignore it that you cannot even tolerate 3 replies that weren't really 
off-topic.

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Chris Dunphy  wrote:
Did I say you don’t have the right to respond? You certainly do. Respond if you 
want, but do it literally anywhere else but here. Do not clog up the mailing 
list with this nonsense. This list is not for airing your dirty laundry, which 
I can assure you absolutely nobody on this list cares about.
 
Take it elsewhere.
 
 
From: bottige...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 3:58 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Proposal
 
I think that was the most embarrassing little "fight" I've ever seen on a 
mailing list. No serious server owner should be this petty and willing to fight 
on a public mailing list for Team Fortress 2 updates. At least have the decency 
to be childish in private.
 
I don't think we are being childish for defending ourselves. We ignored things 
like this before and it has led to many lies being spread about us that have 
perpetuated even now like having pay2win or being confused with saigns. If 
someone is going to call us out in public, especially someone that has been 
slandering us for 7 years, we have a right to respond.
 
I am confused why you are expressing anger towards us when 404 was the one that 
derailed this thread in the first place and blames us for being the reason why 
Valve can't do this proposal when he is guilty of the thing he accuses us of.
 
This was a choice between defending ourselves, or slightly cluttering up a 
suggestion that probably has 0 chance of being done since it was already 
suggested to Valve many years ago... It was an easy choice to make, and I would 
make the same choice again.
 
On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Chris Dunphy  wrote:
I think that

Re: [hlds] Proposal

[Chris Dunphy]

Did I say you don’t have the right to respond? You certainly do. Respond if you 
want, but do it literally anywhere else but here. Do not clog up the mailing 
list with this nonsense. This list is not for airing your dirty laundry, which 
I can assure you absolutely nobody on this list cares about.

Take it elsewhere.


From: bottige...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 3:58 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Proposal

I think that was the most embarrassing little "fight" I've ever seen on a 
mailing list. No serious server owner should be this petty and willing to fight 
on a public mailing list for Team Fortress 2 updates. At least have the decency 
to be childish in private.

I don't think we are being childish for defending ourselves. We ignored things 
like this before and it has led to many lies being spread about us that have 
perpetuated even now like having pay2win or being confused with saigns. If 
someone is going to call us out in public, especially someone that has been 
slandering us for 7 years, we have a right to respond.

I am confused why you are expressing anger towards us when 404 was the one that 
derailed this thread in the first place and blames us for being the reason why 
Valve can't do this proposal when he is guilty of the thing he accuses us of.

This was a choice between defending ourselves, or slightly cluttering up a 
suggestion that probably has 0 chance of being done since it was already 
suggested to Valve many years ago... It was an easy choice to make, and I would 
make the same choice again.

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Chris Dunphy  wrote:
I think that was the most embarrassing little "fight" I've ever seen on a 
mailing list. No serious server owner should be this petty and willing to fight 
on a public mailing list for Team Fortress 2 updates. At least have the decency 
to be childish in private.

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 11:12 AM, James Haikin  wrote:
Hey bottiger?

No

One

Cares


-James

On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 7:10 PM, bottige...@gmail.com  
wrote:
This complaint about economics is a red herring that "404 user not found" was 
just using to slander us. Valve had no problems enforcing the economic rules 
before by making plugin given hats and weapons invisible in the game. If 
particles were really such a big deal, they would've made them invisible 
already. They already actively enforce economic rules in CS:GO, a game where 
community servers are also forced to be inferior to official ones. If throwing 
community servers into the browser solved the econ problem, then why didn't 
they remove invisible hats and weapons? So the reality is that Valve still 
polices the economy regardless of community servers being ghettoized or not. 

Also, back when plugin hats were still possible and rampant, we never used it. 
So to paint us as some kind of serial anti-valve rule breaker is simply wrong.

I think at this point there is no real solution that Valve is interested in 
doing, otherwise they would have done so a lot sooner now that it has been 
what, about 3 years since community servers were removed from quickplay? The 
idea to have white-listing cost money has been suggested many times before and 
while it is a real solution, Valve does not seem to be interested in this given 
the inaction.

As I mentioned earlier, the most we could hope for is to have them throw in a 
few community-server only contracts. But even if Valve somehow agreed with the 
idea, I don't think it would be enough to stop the massive decline that's going 
on right now.

On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Rowedahelicon  
wrote:
I think at least to stay on topic, there is a matter of the economy rules Valve 
set in place, which I've always felt have been very vague when it comes into 
really specific cases like this. Ideally speaking, I feel like if what 
constitutes as a "valve approved" server would be very bare bones, but if you 
want to run setups that one would find questionable is why you'd have separate 
servers for that reason

On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 8:12 PM, bottige...@gmail.com  
wrote:
You are upset that this thread is going a little off topic but I am simply 
defending my community and at the same time refuting his silly argument that 
pro-community actions are useless because we abuse Valve's rules.

We used to let accusations like this go uncontested and it resulted in having 
our community being wrongfully mixed up with saigns and other falsehoods. So we 
now aggressively fight them before they can spread.

If he wants to stop his 7 year old grudge for being banned for racism for 1 day 
and getting mad that we charge people for server benefits instead of running 
servers with welfare money like he did, then there wouldn't be any reason to 
respond. 

I am sure that most people here would do the same instead of keeping quiet.


On Wed, 

Re: [hlds] Proposal

[Chris Dunphy]

I think that was the most embarrassing little "fight" I've ever seen on a
mailing list. No serious server owner should be this petty and willing to
fight on a *public mailing list for Team Fortress 2 updates*. At least have
the decency to be childish in private.

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 11:12 AM, James Haikin  wrote:

> Hey bottiger?
>
> No
>
> One
>
> Cares
>
> -James
>
> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 7:10 PM, bottige...@gmail.com  > wrote:
>
>> This complaint about economics is a red herring that "404 user not found"
>> was just using to slander us. Valve had no problems enforcing the economic
>> rules before by making plugin given hats and weapons invisible in the game.
>> If particles were really such a big deal, they would've made them invisible
>> already. They already actively enforce economic rules in CS:GO, a game
>> where community servers are also forced to be inferior to official ones. If
>> throwing community servers into the browser solved the econ problem, then
>> why didn't they remove invisible hats and weapons? So the reality is that
>> Valve still polices the economy regardless of community servers being
>> ghettoized or not.
>>
>> Also, back when plugin hats were still possible and rampant, we never
>> used it. So to paint us as some kind of serial anti-valve rule breaker is
>> simply wrong.
>>
>> I think at this point there is no real solution that Valve is interested
>> in doing, otherwise they would have done so a lot sooner now that it has
>> been what, about 3 years since community servers were removed from
>> quickplay? The idea to have white-listing cost money has been suggested
>> many times before and while it is a real solution, Valve does not seem to
>> be interested in this given the inaction.
>>
>> As I mentioned earlier, the most we could hope for is to have them throw
>> in a few community-server only contracts. But even if Valve somehow agreed
>> with the idea, I don't think it would be enough to stop the massive decline
>> that's going on right now.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Rowedahelicon <
>> theoneando...@rowedahelicon.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think at least to stay on topic, there is a matter of the economy
>>> rules Valve set in place, which I've always felt have been very vague when
>>> it comes into really specific cases like this. Ideally speaking, I feel
>>> like if what constitutes as a "valve approved" server would be very bare
>>> bones, but if you want to run setups that one would find questionable is
>>> why you'd have separate servers for that reason
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 8:12 PM, bottige...@gmail.com <
>>> bottige...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 You are upset that this thread is going a little off topic but I am
 simply defending my community and at the same time refuting his silly
 argument that pro-community actions are useless because we abuse Valve's
 rules.

 We used to let accusations like this go uncontested and it resulted in
 having our community being wrongfully mixed up with saigns and other
 falsehoods. So we now aggressively fight them before they can spread.

 If he wants to stop his 7 year old grudge for being banned for racism
 for 1 day and getting mad that we charge people for server benefits instead
 of running servers with welfare money like he did, then there wouldn't be
 any reason to respond.

 I am sure that most people here would do the same instead of keeping
 quiet.


 On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Tohru Adachi 
 wrote:

> ...Can we please stop with the drama, both of you? This isn't the
> place for it.
>
> On 09/11/2017 00:53, bottige...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Where exactly do you see that I'm selling unusuals? Because I'm not. I
>> don't sell anything.
>>
>
> Hmm really, you want to prove you are blatantly lying again like you
> did on alliedmods with your alt account abrandnewday.
>
> https://i.imgur.com/nyuMwV0.png
>
> https://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=243705
>
> https://i.imgur.com/wLOj1oS.png
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Re: [hlds] Mandatory Team Fortress 2 update released

[Chris Koiš]

When are they even going to fix the tf2 server gui?
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Re: [hlds] Mandatory Team Fortress 2 update released

[Chris Oryschak]

Perfect. Thank you for the url and clarification.

Chris

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016, 11:53 PM Peter Jerde  wrote:

>
> > On Jun 23, 2016, at 22:43 PM, Chris Oryschak  wrote:
> >
> > Is there a way to put the server in quickplay but NOT the mvm pool ? I
> dont want my server changing to mvm
>
> Read the official guide at
> https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=2825-AFGJ-3513 for
> all the details of what successfully gets your server to participate in
> quickplay.
>
> As long as tf_mm_servermode is set to 0 your server will not change to mvm.
>
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Re: [hlds] Mandatory Team Fortress 2 update released

[Chris Oryschak]

Is there a way to put the server in quickplay but NOT the mvm pool ? I dont
want my server changing to mvm

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 11:32 AM ED-E  wrote:

> I hope Valve is fixing this constant "World triggered "Round_Start" spam
> on servers with people connecting/-replay servers quick. This is very
> annoying, due a plugin of mine makes sql query on roundstart which kinda
> buttfucked my MariaDB database, cause I had –replay on (and the record bot
> counts a player joining).
>
>
>
> *Von:* hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:
> hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] *Im Auftrag von *A Fearts
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 23. Juni 2016 03:41
> *An:* Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list <
> hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
> *Betreff:* Re: [hlds] Mandatory Team Fortress 2 update released
>
>
>
> Also during my testing tf_mm_strict and tf_mm_servermode were both set to
> their default values of 0.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:16 PM, A Fearts  wrote:
>
> This issue also only seems to happen on arena_ maps. Tested on koth, pl,
> ctf, cp maps.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:05 PM, A Fearts  wrote:
>
> @John Schoenick
>
> On a completely Vanilla server if you only have:
>
> autoexec.cfg with sv_setsteamaccount #
>
> And
>
> server.cfg with only the entry: log 1
>
> And you go to a vanilla map like: arena_sawmill
>
> In console you will get spammed with: "L 06/22/2016 - 21:04:33: World
> triggered "Round_Start"" until there is a player on both teams.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 8:47 PM, John Schoenick 
> wrote:
>
> Do you have tf_mm_strict set?
>
>
>
> On 06/22/2016 05:11 PM, A Fearts wrote:
>
> I'm getting a lot of issues. My server keeps spamming with:
>
> "No match, but configured for MM, enrolling in matchmaking"
>
> Also
>
> "World triggered "Round_Start""
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Ross Bemrose  wrote:
>
> So... did something replace it as mode 1 or did all the existing values
> shift down one?
>
> I ask because MvM is mode 2 on that same cvar.
>
>
>
> On 6/22/2016 8:04 PM, John Schoenick wrote:
>
> One of the internal changes in this patch removed the old quickplay
> value from tf_mm_servermode (which was no longer used) -- if you still
> have it set, you're likely enrolling in the bootcamp pool when empty.
> Setting this back to 0 should fix you. Apologies!
>
>
> On 06/22/2016 04:56 PM, Peter Jerde wrote:
>
> - Internal system changes in preparation for a future update
>
> So I know I’m running an outdated version of SourceMod (1.7 branch), but I
> thought I’d just throw this out and see if anyone else is seeing it. Out of
> the blue, some of my servers are switching to MvM mode:
>
> L 06/22/2016 - 19:40:51: Lobby 0001594c4f91f5d0 instanced on this server
> in state SERVERSETUP
>
> That was on a 24/7 2fort server.
>
> Why would that suddenly start happening!?
>
>   - Peter
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Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update released

[Chris Oryschak]

I'm crashing.. anyone else? Linux here.

On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Eric Smith  wrote:

> We've released a mandatory update for TF2. The notes for the update are
> below. The new version number is 2470138.
>
> -Eric
>
> -
>
> - Fixed a dedicated server crash related to the new map sd_doomsday_event
> and server-wide curses
> - Fixed Blue team hearing the win audio instead of the lose audio when Red
> gets the tickets to the Strongmann machine
> - Fixed grenade projectiles doing more damage than expected
> - Fixed players changing team to respawn outside of their cart while
> playing a minigame
> - Fixed players being able to use the Eureka effect while in their bumper
> car
> - Fixed a bug that let Engineers move faster while carrying a building
> - Fixed the Spycicle not giving the Spy fire resistance
> - Fixed The Manngaroo itemset including the wrong item
> - Updated the equip_region for the Vaccinator and Quick-Fix
> - Fixed a bug where players would not get a kill credit for turning
> another player in to a ghost
> - Updated player ghosts to always use team color
> - Updated the new TargetID system
> - Added Advance Option and ConVar to disable floating health icon
> (tf_hud_target_id_disable_floating_health)
> - Added Advance Option to control the alpha of TargetID nameplate
> - Fixed not showing for disguised enemy Spies
> - Fixed showing the health of cloaked Spies
> - Fixed not hiding the panel when players are no longer visible
> - Added ConVar tf_weapon_criticals_melee to control whether melee weapons
> have random crits. Works separately from tf_weapon_criticals.
> - Fixed the knife not playing its backstab animation when crits are
> disabled
> - Fixed round-end crits not working when tf_weapon_criticals is set to zero
> - Updated sd_doomsday_event
> - Added spell pickups near the ticket case spawn
> - Reduced mega spell respawn time from 90 seconds to 45 seconds
> - Fixed curses occurring in bumper car minigames
> - Fixed players being able to boost their bumper cars early
> - Increased the damage that bumper cars receive from collisions
> - Players can no longer suicide when in a Bumper Car
> - Replaced large ammo kits near the Strongmann machine with spells
> - Reduced ammo kit size on the bridge from full to medium
> - Updated HHH to use a giant Necro Smasher when attacking players
> - Platform game:
> - Fixed Merasmus giving instructions in the platform game
> when it gets to the final platform
> - Center tent pole now vanishes when the final platform is
> reached
> - Soccer game:
> - Added HHH, spawns 45 seconds into the match
> - Duck game:
> - Increased max score to 200
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Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update released

[Chris Oryschak]

It looks like only plr_hightower_event is in the quickplay pool? Whenever i
try to find a server with quickplay that is the ONLY map i see...

Also - In quickplay it says "Halloween 2013;" I'm pretty sure that should
be 2014?

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 8:32 PM, Ross Bemrose  wrote:

>  My eventmix server has been full for several hours, so some people are
> finding it.
>
>
> On 10/22/2014 8:26 PM, Robert Russell wrote:
>
> Anyone word on this?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 22, 2014, at 2:23 PM, pilger  wrote:
>
>   Isn't quickplay restricted to Valve servers now? What does the tag
> matter?
>
>  I do NOT intent to bring the discussion back. Just asking about whether
> Halloween event and quickplay relation.
>
>
> _pilger
>
> On 22 October 2014 16:14, Andreas Grimm  wrote:
>
>>  Usually it’s the tag „eventmix“ for past events and the tag „event247“
>> for the current event
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:
>> hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] *On Behalf Of *E. Olsen
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 8:06 PM
>> *To:* Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
>> *Subject:* Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update released
>>
>>
>>
>> Question:
>>
>>
>>
>> Wasn't there a special server cvar last year we needed to use to
>> designate a server as a "Halloween Event" server for quickplay? If so, what
>> is it, and do we need to set that this year?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Eric Smith 
>> wrote:
>>
>> We've released a mandatory update for TF2. The notes for the update are
>> below. The new version number is 2455651.
>>
>> -Eric
>>
>> -
>>
>> - Scream Fortress Classic begins!
>> - In preparation for Scream Fortress 2014 we've enabled all
>> previous Halloween events
>> - Fixed The Larval Lid not using the correct Blue team material
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Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update coming

[Chris Oryschak]

yay. the scraps/overflow for us :D

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 9:14 PM, 1nsane <1nsane...@gmail.com> wrote:

> They won't have enough servers. Well get to participate.
> On Sep 17, 2014 9:13 PM, "Robert Paulson"  wrote:
>
>> Why do people think community servers will even get to participate in the
>> Halloween update?
>>
>> I bet you it will turn out just like the new beta maps and the "q" word
>> (lol filter)? If not this year then the next.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 6:00 PM, big john  wrote:
>>
>>> Why do people keep saying that like the Halloween update isnt going to
>>> totally break everything.
>>> On Sep 17, 2014 8:58 PM, "Weasels Lair"  wrote:
>>>
 Better now, than like the day before Halloween.

 On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Albert Davis 
 wrote:

> Seriously? 3 days in a row now?
>
> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 8:15 PM, 1nsane <1nsane...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> An update a day keeps the bugs away (hopefully).
>>
>> Thanks for the heads up.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 8:14 PM, Eric Smith 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We're working on a mandatory update for TF2. We should have it ready
>>> soon.
>>>
>>> -Eric
>>>
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Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update released

[Chris Oryschak]

Linux here. Removing addons dir and it booted up right away.  Will have to
wait for a SM release...

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Peter Jerde  wrote:

> Let's keep the tone helpful rather than childish, shall we?
>
> Windows servers here -- same thing. Removing our addons folder fixes it,
> so it's got to be a metamod/sourcemod issue.
>
>  - Peter
>
> On Sep 10, 2014, at 16:12, Dill Bates  wrote:
>
> > Cool! Both of my servers are now stuck in a boot loop after the update.
> Thanks guys!!
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Sep 10, 2014, at 2:09 PM, Eric Smith 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> We've released a mandatory update for TF2. The notes for the update are
> below. The new version number is 2395700.
> >>
> >> -Eric
> >>
> >> -
> >>
> >> - Added taunts to the items that can be uploaded to the Steam Workshop
> >> - Added new "Taunt" and "Halloween" tags to the Steam Workshop
> >>   - Previous entries marked with the "Halloween 2013" tag will
> automatically be updated to use the new tag in the coming days
> >> - Added tournament medals for the ETF2L and RETF2 EE22
> >> - Client/server performance improvements
> >> - Improved client memory usage by updating weapons to only be loaded on
> demand
> >> - Improved edict usage on servers to help eliminate "out of edicts"
> errors during round restarts
> >> - Fixed a server crash caused by using the "map" command in the console
> while the server is running
> >> - Fixed a client crash when switching between windowed-mode and
> fullscreen for Mac OS X and Linux clients
> >> - Re-enabled HTML MOTD support for Mac OS X and Linux clients
> >> - Extended the server's "status" command to display edict usage and
> player/bot counts
> >>   - status output also includes basic class stats...not fully
> implemented yet
> >> - Fixed custom content not being shown while watching .dem files that
> were recorded on servers running with sv_pure
> >> - Fixed a teleporter exploit that involved players killing teammates
> via telefrag by switching to Spectator
> >> - Fixed bad LODs for The Angel of Death coat for the Medic
> >> - Fixed push triggers applying push values twice when lag compensation
> is being done
> >> - Fixed a Hammer crash related to changing entity types for an existing
> entity
> >> - Fixed Strange flamethrowers not getting kill credit for deflected
> projectiles
> >> - Fixed mini-crit and taunt-invite icons being orphaned in the world
> >> - Fixed the Festive Force-a-Nature using the wrong taunt animation
> >> - Fixed the difficulty value not displaying correctly in the Mann vs.
> Machine scoreboard
> >> - Fixed Mann vs. Machine bots floating in the air when they die from an
> explosion
> >> - Fixed the Pyro's clap sounds clipping the voice lines during the
> Party Trick taunt
> >> - Fixed the Short Circuit creating its firing effects when being
> deployed
> >> - Fixed Mini-Sentry collision hull being scaled smaller than it should
> be
> >> - The Frying Pan can now accept Kills While Explosive Jumping strange
> parts
> >> - Updated the equip_region for the Mining Light and Lord Cockswain's
> Novelty Mutton Chops and Pipe
> >> - Updated the materials for the Apparition's Aspect and made it
> paintable
> >> - Updated the Eternaween vote so it cannot be initiated by clients
> without using the Eternaween
> >> - Updated the localization files
> >> - Updated pl_cactuscanyon
> >>   - Completed permanent removal of previous stage 2 from the map
> >>   - Removed the rollback hill in stage 2, and adjusted neighboring
> u-turn
> >>   - Adjusted the right-hand spawn exit for Blu in stage 2
> >>   - Reworked Sniper window above underpass in stage 2
> >>   - Adjusted spawn times in stage 2
> >>   - Added flatcars to the train in stage 2
> >>   - Blu side path from cart spawn to underpass is now a drop-down in
> stage 2
> >>   - Widened a doorway along the cart-path in stage 2
> >> - Updated rd_asteroid
> >>   - Removed spawn advantage for attackers that die in the enemy base
> >>   - Moved health and ammo above the front door stairs further into the
> base
> >>   - Increased bot count. Summed total health and points in each section
> remains the same.
> >>   - Power core pickups now give health and ammo to the collector
> >>   - Removed small health kit above cave exit
> >>   - Added medium ammo kit in the caves near the medium health kit
> >>
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Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update coming

[Chris Oryschak]

Soon is now.


On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 6:34 PM, David H  wrote:

> https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time
> On Aug 28, 2014 12:31 AM, "Alexander Corn"  wrote:
>
>> So, how soon is "soon"?
>>
>>
>> Dr. McKay
>> www.doctormckay.com
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Eric Smith 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We're working on a mandatory update for TF2. We should have it ready
>>> soon.
>>>
>>> -Eric
>>>
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Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update released

[Chris Oryschak]

Perfect. Thank you very much.



On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 7:40 PM, AnAkIn  wrote:

> No, U:1 pretty means much what STEAM_0 was, it's "Public" universe AFAIK.
> It'll always be U:1. The X and Y values are only part of the latest number.
>
>
> 2014-08-22 1:38 GMT+02:00 Chris Oryschak :
>
> Thanks Anakin.
>>
>> Is it the same for STEAM_0:0: ... will their steam3 id be:[U:1: or [U:0:
>>
>> Does the 0 transfer over for the X value ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 6:45 PM, AnAkIn  wrote:
>>
>>> It's simple. The old SteamID was STEAM_0:X:Y. Just do Y*2+X and you have
>>> the new one.
>>> e.g. STEAM_0:1:1337 => 1337*2+1= 2675 => [U:1:2675]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-08-22 0:42 GMT+02:00 Chris Oryschak :
>>>
>>> And is there a way to convert old steamid to new steamid?  If not that
>>>> means every ban every placed on a player is useless..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 6:40 PM, E. Olsen  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah - this borks everything from admin tools to Ban databases. Please
>>>>> revert this back, guys!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Chris Oryschak 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> wow !
>>>>>> and the new format doesn't even match up with the previous steamID.
>>>>>>  Everyone now has a new id#
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the heads up !
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 6:35 PM, big john 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wait what they changed the steam id format
>>>>>>> On Aug 21, 2014 6:31 PM, "A Fearts"  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why after all these years would you change the SteamID format? Why
>>>>>>>> wouldn't you at least give people a warning before you made such a 
>>>>>>>> drastic
>>>>>>>> change?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Michael Loveless <
>>>>>>>> mloveless1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All 3 of my accounts/computers are all now launching in insecure
>>>>>>>>> mode after update. This has happened at least once a month for the 
>>>>>>>>> past 3
>>>>>>>>> or 4 months. It requires me to reinstall Steam in every instance to 
>>>>>>>>> fix it.
>>>>>>>>> Why does this happen?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Eric Smith <
>>>>>>>>> er...@valvesoftware.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We've released a mandatory update for TF2. The notes for the
>>>>>>>>>> update are below. The new version number is 2369699.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Eric
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - Fixed rockets colliding with other projectiles and getting
>>>>>>>>>> stuck in the world
>>>>>>>>>> - Fixed a bug with the Soldier's Fresh Brewed Victory taunt and
>>>>>>>>>> the Power Up Canteen
>>>>>>>>>> - Fixed the Demoman not being able to equip The Grandmaster
>>>>>>>>>> - Fixed a bug where Professional Killstreak items were being
>>>>>>>>>> displayed as Specialized
>>>>>>>>>> - Market Listings for Specialized Killstreak kits for the
>>>>>>>>>> following items have been removed and will need to be relisted
>>>>>>>>>> - Stickybomb Launcher, Minigun, Direct Hit, Huntsman,
>>>>>>>>>> Backburner, Back Scatter, Kritzkrieg, Ambassador, Frontier Justice
>>>>>>>>>> - Fixed character audio being cut short when characters clap
>>>>>>>>>> during the Conga taunt
>

Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update released

[Chris Oryschak]

Thanks Anakin.

Is it the same for STEAM_0:0: ... will their steam3 id be:[U:1: or [U:0:

Does the 0 transfer over for the X value ?




On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 6:45 PM, AnAkIn  wrote:

> It's simple. The old SteamID was STEAM_0:X:Y. Just do Y*2+X and you have
> the new one.
> e.g. STEAM_0:1:1337 => 1337*2+1= 2675 => [U:1:2675]
>
>
>
> 2014-08-22 0:42 GMT+02:00 Chris Oryschak :
>
> And is there a way to convert old steamid to new steamid?  If not that
>> means every ban every placed on a player is useless..
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 6:40 PM, E. Olsen  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah - this borks everything from admin tools to Ban databases. Please
>>> revert this back, guys!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Chris Oryschak 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> wow !
>>>> and the new format doesn't even match up with the previous steamID.
>>>>  Everyone now has a new id#
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the heads up !
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 6:35 PM, big john 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wait what they changed the steam id format
>>>>> On Aug 21, 2014 6:31 PM, "A Fearts"  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why after all these years would you change the SteamID format? Why
>>>>>> wouldn't you at least give people a warning before you made such a 
>>>>>> drastic
>>>>>> change?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Michael Loveless <
>>>>>> mloveless1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All 3 of my accounts/computers are all now launching in insecure
>>>>>>> mode after update. This has happened at least once a month for the past 
>>>>>>> 3
>>>>>>> or 4 months. It requires me to reinstall Steam in every instance to fix 
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>> Why does this happen?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Eric Smith >>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We've released a mandatory update for TF2. The notes for the update
>>>>>>>> are below. The new version number is 2369699.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Eric
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Fixed rockets colliding with other projectiles and getting stuck
>>>>>>>> in the world
>>>>>>>> - Fixed a bug with the Soldier's Fresh Brewed Victory taunt and the
>>>>>>>> Power Up Canteen
>>>>>>>> - Fixed the Demoman not being able to equip The Grandmaster
>>>>>>>> - Fixed a bug where Professional Killstreak items were being
>>>>>>>> displayed as Specialized
>>>>>>>> - Market Listings for Specialized Killstreak kits for the following
>>>>>>>> items have been removed and will need to be relisted
>>>>>>>> - Stickybomb Launcher, Minigun, Direct Hit, Huntsman,
>>>>>>>> Backburner, Back Scatter, Kritzkrieg, Ambassador, Frontier Justice
>>>>>>>> - Fixed character audio being cut short when characters clap during
>>>>>>>> the Conga taunt
>>>>>>>> - Unusual taunts that are tradable can now be listed on the Steam
>>>>>>>> Community Market
>>>>>>>> - The Classic can now accept Enemies Gibbed strange parts
>>>>>>>> - The Manmelter can now accept Allies Extinguished strange parts
>>>>>>>> - Added mp_spectators_restricted server convar
>>>>>>>> - Prevents players on Red/Blue from joining team
>>>>>>>> Spectator if it would exceed mp_teams_unbalance_limit
>>>>>>>> - Updated the HTML display in the MOTD to use shared Steam browser
>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>> - Updated the materials for The Dalokohs Bar
>>>>>>>> - Updated the equip_region for the Soldier's Stash, Exquisite Rack,
>>>>>>>> The Pencil Pusher, and Antlers
>>>>>>>> - Update

Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update released

[Chris Oryschak]

And is there a way to convert old steamid to new steamid?  If not that
means every ban every placed on a player is useless..


On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 6:40 PM, E. Olsen  wrote:

> Yeah - this borks everything from admin tools to Ban databases. Please
> revert this back, guys!
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Chris Oryschak 
> wrote:
>
>> wow !
>> and the new format doesn't even match up with the previous steamID.
>>  Everyone now has a new id#
>>
>> Thanks for the heads up !
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 6:35 PM, big john  wrote:
>>
>>> Wait what they changed the steam id format
>>> On Aug 21, 2014 6:31 PM, "A Fearts"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why after all these years would you change the SteamID format? Why
>>>> wouldn't you at least give people a warning before you made such a drastic
>>>> change?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Michael Loveless <
>>>> mloveless1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All 3 of my accounts/computers are all now launching in insecure mode
>>>>> after update. This has happened at least once a month for the past 3 or 4
>>>>> months. It requires me to reinstall Steam in every instance to fix it. Why
>>>>> does this happen?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Eric Smith 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We've released a mandatory update for TF2. The notes for the update
>>>>>> are below. The new version number is 2369699.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Eric
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Fixed rockets colliding with other projectiles and getting stuck in
>>>>>> the world
>>>>>> - Fixed a bug with the Soldier's Fresh Brewed Victory taunt and the
>>>>>> Power Up Canteen
>>>>>> - Fixed the Demoman not being able to equip The Grandmaster
>>>>>> - Fixed a bug where Professional Killstreak items were being
>>>>>> displayed as Specialized
>>>>>> - Market Listings for Specialized Killstreak kits for the following
>>>>>> items have been removed and will need to be relisted
>>>>>> - Stickybomb Launcher, Minigun, Direct Hit, Huntsman,
>>>>>> Backburner, Back Scatter, Kritzkrieg, Ambassador, Frontier Justice
>>>>>> - Fixed character audio being cut short when characters clap during
>>>>>> the Conga taunt
>>>>>> - Unusual taunts that are tradable can now be listed on the Steam
>>>>>> Community Market
>>>>>> - The Classic can now accept Enemies Gibbed strange parts
>>>>>> - The Manmelter can now accept Allies Extinguished strange parts
>>>>>> - Added mp_spectators_restricted server convar
>>>>>> - Prevents players on Red/Blue from joining team
>>>>>> Spectator if it would exceed mp_teams_unbalance_limit
>>>>>> - Updated the HTML display in the MOTD to use shared Steam browser
>>>>>> control
>>>>>> - Updated the materials for The Dalokohs Bar
>>>>>> - Updated the equip_region for the Soldier's Stash, Exquisite Rack,
>>>>>> The Pencil Pusher, and Antlers
>>>>>> - Updated the localization files
>>>>>> - Updated pl_cactuscanyon
>>>>>> -Stage 1
>>>>>> - Reworked the geometry of the back
>>>>>> stairwell route leading to the final cap
>>>>>> -Stage 3
>>>>>> - New design of back yard underpass
>>>>>> area
>>>>>> - Added new building and route near
>>>>>> the underpass
>>>>>> - New geometry for Red battlements
>>>>>> and spawn exit by the first cap
>>>>>> - Added new exit from Red spawn
>>>>>> leading to the raised middle rock outcrop by the barn
>>>>>> - Reworked Red spawn exit by capture
>>>>>> point 2
>>>>>>

Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update released

[Chris Oryschak]

wow !
and the new format doesn't even match up with the previous steamID.
 Everyone now has a new id#

Thanks for the heads up !


On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 6:35 PM, big john  wrote:

> Wait what they changed the steam id format
> On Aug 21, 2014 6:31 PM, "A Fearts"  wrote:
>
>> Why after all these years would you change the SteamID format? Why
>> wouldn't you at least give people a warning before you made such a drastic
>> change?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Michael Loveless <
>> mloveless1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> All 3 of my accounts/computers are all now launching in insecure mode
>>> after update. This has happened at least once a month for the past 3 or 4
>>> months. It requires me to reinstall Steam in every instance to fix it. Why
>>> does this happen?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Eric Smith 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We've released a mandatory update for TF2. The notes for the update are
 below. The new version number is 2369699.

 -Eric

 -

 - Fixed rockets colliding with other projectiles and getting stuck in
 the world
 - Fixed a bug with the Soldier's Fresh Brewed Victory taunt and the
 Power Up Canteen
 - Fixed the Demoman not being able to equip The Grandmaster
 - Fixed a bug where Professional Killstreak items were being displayed
 as Specialized
 - Market Listings for Specialized Killstreak kits for the following
 items have been removed and will need to be relisted
 - Stickybomb Launcher, Minigun, Direct Hit, Huntsman,
 Backburner, Back Scatter, Kritzkrieg, Ambassador, Frontier Justice
 - Fixed character audio being cut short when characters clap during the
 Conga taunt
 - Unusual taunts that are tradable can now be listed on the Steam
 Community Market
 - The Classic can now accept Enemies Gibbed strange parts
 - The Manmelter can now accept Allies Extinguished strange parts
 - Added mp_spectators_restricted server convar
 - Prevents players on Red/Blue from joining team
 Spectator if it would exceed mp_teams_unbalance_limit
 - Updated the HTML display in the MOTD to use shared Steam browser
 control
 - Updated the materials for The Dalokohs Bar
 - Updated the equip_region for the Soldier's Stash, Exquisite Rack, The
 Pencil Pusher, and Antlers
 - Updated the localization files
 - Updated pl_cactuscanyon
 -Stage 1
 - Reworked the geometry of the back
 stairwell route leading to the final cap
 -Stage 3
 - New design of back yard underpass area
 - Added new building and route near the
 underpass
 - New geometry for Red battlements and
 spawn exit by the first cap
 - Added new exit from Red spawn leading
 to the raised middle rock outcrop by the barn
 - Reworked Red spawn exit by capture
 point 2
 - Removed rocks and added a new
 structure by the final cart push
 - Cart now takes longer to pass through
 the building at the end of
 - Adjusted spawn times
 - Adjusted Health and ammo packs

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Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update released

[Chris Oryschak]

Linux is working fine for me.


On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Silencio Delgato 
wrote:

> Same here, my windows server will not start up either. I am also running
> Windows Server 2008 R2.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Gamers Exile  wrote:
>
>> Yes, instantaneous crash loading server on win2008r2.
>>
>>  Sent Via Pigeon
>>   *From: *big john
>> *Sent: *Thursday, August 7, 2014 3:04 PM
>> *To: *Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
>> *Reply To: *Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
>> *Subject: *Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update released
>>
>> Anyone else crashing after update?
>> On Aug 7, 2014 4:54 PM, "Eric Smith"  wrote:
>>
>>> We've released a mandatory update for TF2. The notes for the update are
>>> below. The new version number is 2351233.
>>>
>>> -Eric
>>>
>>> -
>>>
>>> - Dedicated server performance/stability improvements
>>> - Added a new startup music track from Expiration Date
>>> - Added missing photos/thumb images for koth_badlands
>>> - Fixed a client crash related to the snd_restart command for Linux
>>> clients
>>> - Fixed a dedicated server crash related to arrows
>>> - Fixed the Bolt Boy using the wrong material for the Blu team
>>> - Improved memory usage for Linux clients
>>> - Updated the Restart Game and Scramble Teams votes to always have a
>>> mandatory cool-down period
>>> - Updated sv_memlimit to not be marked as a cheat convar
>>> - Added sv_minuptimelimit and sv_maxuptimelimit to manage the
>>> server restart window
>>> - Updated the equip_regions for the Mustachioed Mann, Ze Ubermensch, and
>>> Vive La France
>>> - Updated the localization files
>>> - Updated pl_cactuscanyon
>>> - Removed rollback leading to the final capture point in stage 2
>>> - Reworked fence position on forward spawn building in stage 2
>>> - Expanded back alley near the final capture point in stage 2
>>> - Expanded back pathway near the final capture point in stage 1
>>> - Added small room inside building half way up the zig-zag in
>>> stage 1
>>> - Adjusted health kits and ammo packs
>>> - Adjusted spawn times in stage 1 and 2
>>> - Updated rd_asteroid
>>> - Widened left side spawn exit
>>> - Players can no longer build inside the staircase near A robots
>>> - Fixed sticky stair collision when coming out of the water near
>>> B robots
>>> - Changed medium health kit near the C robots to a small health
>>> kit
>>> - Removed "alert" from voice over lines that announce your team
>>> has dropped the reactor core
>>> - Fixed missing patch overlay under small health near center
>>> bridge
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Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update released

[Chris Oryschak]

Anyone else having crashing problems with sourcemod enabled?


On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 9:22 PM, Eric Smith  wrote:

> We've released a mandatory update for TF2. The notes for the update are
> below. The new version number is 2288628.
>
> -Eric
>
> -
>
> - Love & War Update
> - Added 5 new weapons, 15 new taunts, and 43 cosmetic
> items for the Love & War update
> - Partner Taunts can now be performed with the opposing
> team
> - Added a new Taunt Loadout with 8 slots so multiple
> taunts can be equipped at the same time
> - Taunts are no longer equipped in the
> Action Slot
> - Pressing the Taunt key in game now
> brings up the new Taunt Selection menu
> - Pressing the taunt key while the Taunt
> Selection menu is open performs a weapon taunt, or joins a partner taunt
>
> - Mann Co. Store
> - Added 15 new taunts and a taunt bundle
> - Added 5 new weapons and a weapon bundle
> - Added 44 new cosmetics and a cosmetic bundle
> - Added "Taunt" category into the store
> - Added Mann Co. Stockpile Crate Key
> - The "Hats" and "Misc" categories have been merged into
> "Cosmetics"
>
> - Items
> - Added the Mann Co. Stockpile Crate to the droplist
> - Each Mann Co. Stockpile Crate can be
> repeatedly shuffled to contain a set of 4 possible items
> - Added the Mann Co. Audition Reel.  Contains taunts and a
> rare chance at an unusual taunt
> - Updated Mann Co. Crates to display which Unusual Series
> they can potentially output
> - Added Bread Box Special Crafting Recipe.  This recipe
> will no longer be available after July 9th, 2014.  Items from the Bread box
> have a chance to be strange.
> - Added crafting recipes for newly added weapons
> - Added Killstreak Kits to MvM for newly added weapons
> - Added Oz Fortress season 11 tournament medals
>
> - Weapon changes and updates
> - With The Hitman's Heatmaker, pressing 'reload' now
> activates focus when it is full
> - The Axtinguisher now does mini-crit damage from the
> front and full crit damage from behind to burning targets
> - The Bushwacka can no longer randomly crit
> - All mini-guns now have damage and accuracy ramp up after
> they start firing.  Full accuracy and damage is reached 1 second after
> firing.
> - All Demoman stickybombs now have damage ramp up. Full
> damage is reached 2 seconds after firing.
> - Updated Loch-n-Load reload animation
> - Sentry bullets are now affected by damage falloff
> outside of sentry scan range
> - Sentry bullet damage has been changed so it calculates
> damage based on the sentry's position, not the Engineer's
>
> - Misc Changes
> - Updated the Halloween holiday to automatically be
> enabled when the server runs an _event map
> - Added a check to prevent achievement announcement spam
> - Converted several weapon models to use the c_models
> system
> - Updated the localization files
>
> - Bug Fixes
> - Fixed an exploit where charging Demoman could turn more
> than allowed
> - Fixed a bug where Halloween spellbooks were overriding
> PDAs and Disguise Kits
> - Fixed The Director's Vision taunt not playing both
> variations for the Pyro
> - Fixed the Pyro's spell audio not sounding like the rest
> of the Pyro's audio
> - Fixed a bug that would sometimes cause items to unequip
> themselves
> - Fixed a dedicated server crash related to using
> 'mp_forcecamera 0' with one player on the server
> - Fixed a regression with the trigger_gravity entity not
> correctly applying its settings
> - Fixed another exploit where Engineer buildings could
> build up a large amount of health
> - Fixed a server performance issue related to the
> item_teamflag entity
> - Fixed the itemtest command
> - Fixed cosmetics shared between multiple
> classes not rendering correctly
> - Updated the cosmetic item list to sort
> by name
>
> - Map Fixes
> - Updated cp_granary
> - Removed collision from lights and small
> props protruding from walls
> - Fixed collision on fences
> - Fixed the tire props near Blu's forward
> spawn so players may no longer jump up to the spawn door platform
> - 

Re: [hlds] Can we have a Quickplay Status report, please? 2

[Chris Oryschak]

I haven't notice an increase in traffic yet, can anyone else confirm this?


On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Lambda  wrote:

> Mine shows community servers as default but honestly i can't remember if i
> switched it in the past.
>
>
> 2014-06-03 19:01 GMT+02:00 Daniel Barreiro  >:
>
> Are you saying they fixed it?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 12:59 PM, ics  wrote:
>>
>>> Did someone at Valve did something other than changing the setting from
>>> official to community, after reading our messages because vs the past 3
>>> months, i have now 300% increase on players and if this keeps up, things go
>>> back to normal as they were before the change was made.
>>>
>>> -ics
>>>
>>> Robert Paulson kirjoitti:
>>>
 No we don't have access to binaries on both ends.We cannot get players
 to use client modifications because even if they were willing to download
 it, they would get vacced.

 The ad exploit from what I heard was a one time client bug where the
 big motd did not check the motd cvar. Removing community servers from
 quickplay was laziness and not due to any technical impossibility.

 If Valve wants a game free of community servers then they should do
 that in their newer games. Can you imagine the outrage that would happen if
 EA pulled the same stunt on Battlefield by throwing all community servers
 off the main list?


 On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Eli Witt >>> eliw...@gmail.com>> wrote:

 Replied to the last message, I'll post this here too.

 Well, we know from experience just how good Valve is at keeping a
 lid on things (case in point HL3) so I doubt they're going to
 acknowledge this in any way unless they see fit to, not because
 we're disgruntled and asking for information.

 And for what it's worth, everyone (who's opinion on this list is
 worth a damn) has thrown out the point that "we're the ones
 providing the servers for Valve, we're the ones who give their
 players a place to play etc etc" - but what I think is going
 unnoticed here is the fact that Valve is obviously taking steps
 (and increasingly larger ones) to nullify that argument in it's
 entirety.

 Perhaps it's time to examine the possibility that Valve is very
 purposefully forcing community run servers into the minority
 because they're straight tired of having to play code-counter-code
 withe people like the fuckjobs who programmed plugins to force ads
 down players throats and other like-minded stains.

 We've got the binaries on both ends, and Valve knows this. It's
 virtually impossible to stop people from being fuckjobs with
 access to both binaries, so let [Valve] just diminish the
 footprint the fuckjobs get access by about 90% by forcing people
 into the servers we can afford to run now that we've monetized TF2.

 If I was Valve and I made this decision, I wouldn't give a piss
 whether people who run servers are upset by this or threaten to
 pull their servers offline because of this decision, because
 that's the direction I wanted to force you in anyway.

 Just a thought.


 On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Robert Paulson
 mailto:thepauls...@gmail.com>> wrote:

 Making a new thread because replies are being blocked with
 "Message body is too big: 41090 bytes with a limit of 40 KB".

 Complaints here have historically gone ignored but it doesn't
 mean it is a bad idea to keep the issue in the spotlight here
 as well.

 Just make sure you also contact Valve directly.
 http://valvesoftware.com/email.php
 Some people say Fletcher is in charge of TF2 now so email him
 too.

 We're really past the point in asking Valve for an "answer".
 The answer is probably the same as before: a handful of
 servers ruined the experience for a few new players and some
 lazy players who couldn't be bothered to type valve in the tags.

 So they threw in some useless features like quickpick and
 released server migrations at the same time to shut you up
 before you realize your community was also going to get
 screwed so there would be no huge public outrage.

 What needs to be done now is to get someone at Valve to
 realize that this change did more harm than good and there is
 evidence to prove it.

 Any other argument we bring up they will consider it biased
 because we host servers and somehow that means we don't care
 about players.

 Ever since the change, global TF2 player counts have steadily
 b

Re: [hlds] Can we have a Quickplay Status report, please?

[Chris Oryschak]

If you're going to quote me you should copy & paste so you "quote" me
correct instead of misreading.


On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Phillip Vector 
wrote:

> LOL..
>
> >Its more the fact
>
> How can something be "More then a fact"? Either it is or it isn't.
>
>
> >that 90% of the population out there
>
> Do you work for Valve? Do you know exactly how many people fit into your
> "more then fact"?
>
>
> > never gets a chance to find/try our servers out in the first place.
>
> They have the chance by using the server browser.
>
> I find it funny how the custom server operators say they want to build a
> community, then turn around and call said people too stupid to figure out
> how to work the server browser.
>
> If you lost people because you aren't getting people new to the game, then
> you never really had a community worth a damm.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Chris Oryschak 
> wrote:
>
>> Its more the fact that 90% of the population out there never gets a
>> chance to find/try our servers out in the first place.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 8:32 AM, ced lo  wrote:
>>
>>> Finally some common sense answer.
>>>
>>> I hear people here cry all the time about valve removing quickplay to
>>> community be default.
>>>
>>> You guys don't seem to realize that if player don't come back to your
>>> servers without QP, its because they don't give a F about your server.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 14:25:08 +0200
>>> From: spacebur...@gmail.com
>>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Can we have a Quickplay Status report, please?
>>>
>>>
>>> Valve servers are the safest bet a player has for an normal TF2
>>> experience with nothing getting in the way. I'm sure there are many
>>> community servers offering a similar experience, but there are just as many
>>> of those which don't.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2 June 2014 13:35, Mehtahl MetalMetal  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm quite sure that the experience on many more community servers has
>>> given poorer experience than the number of Valve servers for any given
>>> region. Take Nightteam for instance, let alone any other server with
>>> donation perks such as immunity to auto-balance. Not that Valve
>>> servers don't have their share of teamstacking. It's also important to
>>> remember that many servers run on a 24/7 same-map rotation designed
>>> for players to switch to another server when they grow tired from a
>>> map. That's really inefficient for those with many different servers
>>> managed that way, as you can see many of them being empty. In fact,
>>> hundreds of Community servers have been empty before this quickplay
>>> change, but Valve servers only had a few empty during high-time.
>>>
>>> We could always assume that Community servers are in the vast majority
>>> of servers, thus also have most of the, completely subjective concept
>>> of 'poor quality'. We could also assume that new players want the
>>> actual default experience of the game instead of a very specific
>>> method of play. When I first started playing I had no idea which
>>> server to join, with the massive list of servers with different maps
>>> and tags. I wasn't aware that when I decided to pick a Lotusclan, that
>>> I would be unaware that I couldn't 'really' pick my team when
>>> autobalance came around, because it most definitely autobalances more
>>> frequently than Valve servers' system. While I do understand that's it
>>> intention, to prevent stacking, this feature is definitely present in
>>> most Community servers with normal maps, greatly limiting any real
>>> variety. Community servers have only served the community with custom
>>> maps and gamemode that Valve doesn't host. People come or came to play
>>> the game, in general. I doubt that anyone new at all cares about any
>>> particular community or which server to play as long as they get to
>>> play it.
>>>
>>> "AND those of us who didn't try to turn TF2 into a money machine"
>>> A lot of people seem to think that somehow more hats means less fun,
>>> and no new weapons or maps in a year means the game is dead, but TF2
>>> is still one of the most played games on Stea

Re: [hlds] Can we have a Quickplay Status report, please?

[Chris Oryschak]

Its more the fact that 90% of the population out there never gets a chance
to find/try our servers out in the first place.


On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 8:32 AM, ced lo  wrote:

> Finally some common sense answer.
>
> I hear people here cry all the time about valve removing quickplay to
> community be default.
>
> You guys don't seem to realize that if player don't come back to your
> servers without QP, its because they don't give a F about your server.
>
>
>
> --
> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 14:25:08 +0200
> From: spacebur...@gmail.com
> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Can we have a Quickplay Status report, please?
>
>
> Valve servers are the safest bet a player has for an normal TF2 experience
> with nothing getting in the way. I'm sure there are many community servers
> offering a similar experience, but there are just as many of those which
> don't.
>
>
> On 2 June 2014 13:35, Mehtahl MetalMetal  wrote:
>
> I'm quite sure that the experience on many more community servers has
> given poorer experience than the number of Valve servers for any given
> region. Take Nightteam for instance, let alone any other server with
> donation perks such as immunity to auto-balance. Not that Valve
> servers don't have their share of teamstacking. It's also important to
> remember that many servers run on a 24/7 same-map rotation designed
> for players to switch to another server when they grow tired from a
> map. That's really inefficient for those with many different servers
> managed that way, as you can see many of them being empty. In fact,
> hundreds of Community servers have been empty before this quickplay
> change, but Valve servers only had a few empty during high-time.
>
> We could always assume that Community servers are in the vast majority
> of servers, thus also have most of the, completely subjective concept
> of 'poor quality'. We could also assume that new players want the
> actual default experience of the game instead of a very specific
> method of play. When I first started playing I had no idea which
> server to join, with the massive list of servers with different maps
> and tags. I wasn't aware that when I decided to pick a Lotusclan, that
> I would be unaware that I couldn't 'really' pick my team when
> autobalance came around, because it most definitely autobalances more
> frequently than Valve servers' system. While I do understand that's it
> intention, to prevent stacking, this feature is definitely present in
> most Community servers with normal maps, greatly limiting any real
> variety. Community servers have only served the community with custom
> maps and gamemode that Valve doesn't host. People come or came to play
> the game, in general. I doubt that anyone new at all cares about any
> particular community or which server to play as long as they get to
> play it.
>
> "AND those of us who didn't try to turn TF2 into a money machine"
> A lot of people seem to think that somehow more hats means less fun,
> and no new weapons or maps in a year means the game is dead, but TF2
> is still one of the most played games on Steam.
>
> On 6/1/14, Alexander Corn  wrote:
> > I agree entirely with everything that has been said.
> >
> > Simply put, the player experience on "official" servers is a joke. The
> term
> > "official server" implies some standard of quality since after all, it's
> an
> > *official* server.
> >
> > In reality, the experience is subpar, even borderline terrible. Valve
> > hardware is overloaded to the point of hilarity. If I didn't get loot
> from
> > Mann Up mode, I wouldn't dream of paying $1 per game for servers that
> can't
> > keep up with the game. Valve PvP servers aren't much better.
> >
> > Lack of moderation makes the player experience dreadful in many cases.
> > Cheaters have free reign on Valve servers since even when a votekick is
> > started against them (note that many inexperienced players do not know
> how
> > to start such votes), they can simply rejoin the server and continue
> > cheating. Even when eventually kicked, they can simply join another
> > "official" server and start over again. Lack of moderation is to blame.
> >
> >
> > Dr. McKay
> > www.doctormckay.com
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 5:31 PM, E. Olsen  wrote:
> >
> >> Let's not go the way of throwing out insults towards the TF2 team.
> >> There's
> >> no doubt that - while certainly a mistake - they initially made the
> >> change
> >> to get rid of the nefarious server operators that were both screwing it
> >> up
> >> for the players AND those of us who didn't try to turn TF2 into a money
> >> machine. I think their hearts were in the right place, but they simply
> >> failed to think the change all the way through.
> >>
> >> Having said that, I DO hope they take into account that while a couple
> >> dozen people on their SPUF forums might be glad to play on Vavlve
> servers
> >> only, for every successful legit server operators that wants this chang

Re: [hlds] When will quickplay return to a level playing field?

[Chris Oryschak]

It would be really nice to get some input on this from Valve.  Since the
change every day gets worse and worse for player activity on my servers
thanks to the QP changes and lack of new players having the ability to find
my servers.
You can view the beautiful downward trend caused by these changes:

http://i.imgur.com/uvlq056.png

If anyone else is running the Player Analytics plugin just edit
"data/sessions.php" and change "30 DAY" to "90 DAY".
I'd love to see the same trends from other communities to help reinforce
this bad change for all server ops.





On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Robert Paulson wrote:

> As I said before, the problem is not that the official servers only option
> exists, the problem is that it is on by default. People too lazy to use the
> browser are too lazy to use options.
>
> Again I would like to suggest automatically un-checking the official
> servers only after 4-5 hours of play. Anything that requires manual
> intervention will not solve the problem.
>
> For anyone arguing community servers are inferior again, I refer you to
> this post.
>
>
> https://www.mail-archive.com/hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com/msg74795.html
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 5:03 PM, 1nsane <1nsane...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What about something similar like before where valve servers had an
>> advantage over community servers with new players being sent to them (due
>> to the valve server score boost)?
>>
>> Except this time just make it so all new players get sent to valve
>> servers by default. And then after a certain amount of hours played it
>> either defaults to all servers or pops up a message asking if community
>> servers should be included and explaining a little bit about the other
>> quickplay options and how to access them.
>>
>> I talked to plenty of players who weren't aware that quickplay search can
>> be customized or that you need to click on the gear icon to bring up
>> advanced search options. There's plenty of people who hate crits or default
>> respawn times and yet they're not even aware of this functionality being
>> part of quickplay. Or perhaps that's on purpose and maybe that's the reason
>> why the icon is so tiny...
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Jason Tango wrote:
>>
>>> As we approach the 2-month mark since Valve's servers were made the
>>> "default" servers for all quickplay players, can the TF2 team give us a
>>> time frame when they will return the system to a "level playing field" for
>>> all servers?
>>>
>>> As it stands, the players who want to avoid all community servers now
>>> have the ability to do so simply by clicking the "Official Server Only"
>>> button, so is it really necessary to keep driving nearly all quickplay
>>> traffic away from community servers?
>>>
>>> In fact, a better question would probably be - is it in TF2's best
>>> (long-term) interest to do so? Helping players find a "home" server where
>>> they become a "regular" creates long-term players, and since so much
>>> emphasis (in the design of the UI) has been placed on guiding players to
>>> use quickplay, the longer that community servers are effectively excluded
>>> from that traffic, the more long-term players the game will likely lose.
>>>
>>> The players that only want random games with random people on Valve
>>> servers now have the option to make sure that's all they get, but
>>> preventing the rest of the player base from experiencing all the diversity
>>> that the TF2 community can provide is both unnecessary and unfair to those
>>> of us who have never broken any rules, or violated any policies.
>>>
>>> With that in mind, please consider leveling the playing field again asap
>>> by including all community servers by default, and let the players decide
>>> for themselves if they don't want to be a part of that community.
>>>
>>> Thanks, guys.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update released

[Chris Oryschak]

My client wont update, even after 4 restarts of steam.. i just gave up now
lol


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 7:40 PM, A Fearts  wrote:

> The servers are updating however I'm getting a few reports from people
> (including myself) who aren't getting the client side update. Anyone else
> having this issue?
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Eric Smith wrote:
>
>> We've released a mandatory TF2 update. The notes for the update are
>> below. The new version is 2112877.
>>
>> -Eric
>>
>> --
>>
>> - Fixed an infinite ÜberCharge exploit related to loadout presets
>> - Fixed a case where players that are the target of a vote kick would not
>> be banned from the server
>> - Fixed a Quickplay crash for Linux clients
>> - Fixed Linux servers getting disconnected from Steam when multiple
>> servers are run from the same IP
>> - Fixed taunts not previewing in the character loadout screen after being
>> equipped
>> - Fixed the High-Five! taunt not hiding the Engineer's weapon
>> - Fixed some missing knobs on the level 2 dispenser
>> - Fixed being able to jarate invulnerable targets with the Sydney Sleeper
>> - Lugermorph Killstreakifier can now be applied to all Lugermorph guns
>> - Updated several cosmetic items that were missing an item_type
>> description
>> - Updated several cosmetic items to count as assisters in Pyrovision
>> - Updated the Medi-Mask to use equip_region beard instead of face
>> - Quickplay: Added option to search for "nodmgspread" servers
>> - Quickplay: Removed disabling of non-vanilla option radio buttons when
>> official servers are selected
>>
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Re: [hlds] Important changes to TF2 coming soon

[Chris Oryschak]

Fletcher since you're active i hope i can get your attention regarding the
steam favorites.

Are favorites stored on steam and then pushed down the clients?  How long
does it take for clients to update?
The reason i'm asking is because i just changed server hosts/ip's and lost
a good chunk of my favorite traffic.

Would it be feasible to register the old server with the new steam account
method, wait a few days so the favorites on everyone's client update and
then switch that account over to the new server?  This way everyone with
the old favorite gets updated with the new ip address?




On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Fletcher Dunn
wrote:

>  The two accounts (Steam vs TF) currently serve different purposes.  So
> for now you can just your Steam account for favorites migration, but not
> your TF account, which is currently only needed for quickplay.  Eventually
> that won't work when we delete the TF accounts, so if you want to run with
> options not allowed in quickplay, you'll just need to opt out of
> quickplay.  The FAQ article explains how.
>
>
>
> *From:* hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:
> hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] *On Behalf Of *Silencio Delgato
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 06, 2014 11:44 AM
>
> *To:* Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
> *Subject:* Re: [hlds] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
>
>
>
> Will I be able to link non-quickplay servers to my account without
> disqualifying or nuking my account/my other servers? I like the idea of
> linking my non-QP server to my account to take advantage of the favorites
> functionality, but this server is not (and most likely never will be)
> eligible for QP as it runs a custom map and a few other things like res
> slots. If I link this server, will this or my other QP eligible servers be
> banned from TF2?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Fletcher Dunn <
> fletch...@valvesoftware.com> wrote:
>
> Resetting token is planned if not already implemented.
>
>
>
> We don't have anything planned to transfer server ownership at the moment.
>
>
>
> *From:* hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:
> hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] *On Behalf Of *Denis Eliseev
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 06, 2014 11:25 AM
>
>
> *To:* Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
> *Subject:* Re: [hlds] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
>
>
>
> Will here be a way to transfer servers between accounts? Also, will here
> be a way to re-generate access token for existing server?
>
>
>
> 06.02.2014, 23:16, "Fletcher Dunn" :
>
>  Max 50 steam gameserver accounts per user account.
>
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Re: [hlds] Important changes to TF2 coming soon

[Chris Oryschak]

Thanks - It's fixed.


On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Fletcher Dunn
wrote:

>  Oops, sorry.  That's a work in progress and shouldn't have blocked
> anybody.  I'll fix that now.
>
>
>
> *From:* hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:
> hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Oryschak
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 06, 2014 10:50 AM
> *To:* Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
> *Subject:* Re: [hlds] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
>
>
>
> account : not logged in  (In order to log into your gameserver account,
> you need to confirm that you have ready the latest policy.
>
> See https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=2825-AFGJ-3513for 
> more information.)
>
>
>
> How do i confirm?  The new method isn't being pushed out till the next
> update?  Also there is a typo "ready".
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Valentin G.  wrote:
>
> That's how we have always done it, and Fletcher said this is pretty
> much how it should be done. Players don't get matched to a 24/24
> server even if there are hidden slots.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Peter Jerde  wrote:
> > Quickplay will still respect sv_visiblemaxplayers, right? So if we run a
> 32-slot server with visiblemaxplayers at 24, quickplay would never give us
> a 25th player?
> >
> > Thus, if we use SourceMods "sm_reserve_type 0" -- which only kicks
> non-slot-holding-players AS THEY TRY TO JOIN into a "full" server via
> console -- that would meet the new criteria? Quickplay would never try to
> stuff a player into a reserved slot, and Sourcemod would never kick a
> player who's already playing, only those trying to join via console.
> >
> > As it has been mentioned by others, it sounds like this would be very
> hard to enforce, as someone from Valve would have to manually investigate
> reports of violators. We still want to play by the rules, though, and the
> more I think about it I agree with the rationale -- if you've been matched
> to a server which then seemingly at random kicks you for "Slot Reservation"
> that is indeed a bad player experience. (Though one which has certainly
> encouraged some of our players to donate to us).
> >
> >  - Peter
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Re: [hlds] Important changes to TF2 coming soon

[Chris Oryschak]

account : not logged in  (In order to log into your gameserver account, you
need to confirm that you have ready the latest policy.
See https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=2825-AFGJ-3513 for
more information.)

How do i confirm?  The new method isn't being pushed out till the next
update?  Also there is a typo "ready".




On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Valentin G.  wrote:

> That's how we have always done it, and Fletcher said this is pretty
> much how it should be done. Players don't get matched to a 24/24
> server even if there are hidden slots.
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Peter Jerde  wrote:
> > Quickplay will still respect sv_visiblemaxplayers, right? So if we run a
> 32-slot server with visiblemaxplayers at 24, quickplay would never give us
> a 25th player?
> >
> > Thus, if we use SourceMods "sm_reserve_type 0" -- which only kicks
> non-slot-holding-players AS THEY TRY TO JOIN into a "full" server via
> console -- that would meet the new criteria? Quickplay would never try to
> stuff a player into a reserved slot, and Sourcemod would never kick a
> player who's already playing, only those trying to join via console.
> >
> > As it has been mentioned by others, it sounds like this would be very
> hard to enforce, as someone from Valve would have to manually investigate
> reports of violators. We still want to play by the rules, though, and the
> more I think about it I agree with the rationale -- if you've been matched
> to a server which then seemingly at random kicks you for "Slot Reservation"
> that is indeed a bad player experience. (Though one which has certainly
> encouraged some of our players to donate to us).
> >
> >  - Peter
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Re: [hlds] [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon

[Chris Oryschak]

Thank you very much for the heads up Fletcher.

One question (as this was super bad timining on my part) because i moved
one of my most popular servers to a different host/ip.  Is there any method
of migrating peoples favorites over with the new sync feature?

I still have the original IP and the server is running, just with the
hostname advertising the new address.  Would it be possible to register
that server... wait a few days for everyone's favorites to update, then
move the registration over to the new server's address?


On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 8:14 PM, thesupremecommander <
thesupremec...@gmail.com> wrote:

> One of my admins brought this up, and I never thought to bring it up: is
> there a particular reason for including nocrits but still completely
> excluding nodmgspread? It seems odd to allow players to select one but not
> the other through QuickPlay.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 8:01 PM, Stephen A. Yates wrote:
>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:
>> hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] *On Behalf Of *Ross Bemrose
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 5, 2014 7:29 PM
>> *To:* Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list; Half-Life dedicated
>> Win32 server mailing list (hlds@list.valvesoftware.com);
>> hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [hlds] [hlds_linux] Important changes to TF2 coming soon
>>
>>
>>
>> Actually, I'll just post the entire list of things not allowed in
>> QuickPlay according to the new FAQ:
>>
>> · Opening a MOTD window (hidden or visible) that is not requested
>>
>> · Forcing clients to view the MOTD until a timer has expired
>>
>> · Giving or selling gameplay advantage to players
>>
>> · Kicking players to make room for reserved slots
>>
>> · Modifying stock maps, models, or materials
>>
>> · Running non-default game modes: prop hunt, dodgeball, etc
>>
>> · Enforcing class limits
>>
>> · Browser popups
>>
>> · Granting or modifying economy items, or taking actions that
>> devalue players' items, or interfering with the TF2 economy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/5/2014 6:52 PM, Fletcher Dunn wrote:
>>
>> There are some changes coming that TF2 server operators should know about.
>>
>>
>>
>> CHANGES TO QUICKPLAY
>>
>> ---
>>
>>
>>
>> The next TF2 update will make two changes to quickplay:
>>
>>
>>
>> * "Show servers" button.  This runs the ordinary quickplay search, but 
>> instead of joining the server with the highest score, it presents the user 
>> with an ordered list of about 20 servers and lets them pick.  This gives 
>> players much of the convenience of quickplay by finding servers with a good 
>> ping and players on them, but also an easy way to express a preference over 
>> the map, server community, etc.
>>
>> * We've added an advanced options page that allows players to opt into the 
>> most commonly-requested non-vanilla rules changes: nocrits, maxplayers, and 
>> instant respawn.
>>
>>
>>
>> There are no more scoring penalties for maxplayers or rule changes; your 
>> server either matches their search criteria or it doesn't.
>>
>>
>>
>> At this time, we are keeping the default quickplay option to Valve servers.  
>> However, note that if a player wants to find a server with any of the 
>> supported modifications, then they must land on a community server, since 
>> Valve servers do not run with these settings.
>>
>>
>>
>> We've updated the quickplay policy to more clearly specify what sorts of 
>> server modifications are allowed in quickplay:
>>
>> https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=2825-AFGJ-3513
>>
>>
>>
>> STEAM GAMESERVER ACCOUNTS
>>
>> -
>>
>>
>>
>> Gameserver accounts are now a Steam feature.  The feature is currently in 
>> beta.
>>
>>
>>
>> Using a steam gameserver account provides one important advantage right now: 
>> client favorite lists are keyed by the Steam account if present.  This means 
>> that you can move your server to another IP address, and clients who have 
>> your server in their favorites or history will follow you to your new 
>> location.
>>
>>
>>
>> CREATING AN ACCOUNT:
>>
>>
>>
>> Creating an account is currently only possible via WebAPI.  (Remember, this 
>> feature is currently in beta.  We'll add a nicer interface for this soon.)  
>> Make a HTTPS POST request to the following URL:
>>
>> https://api.steampowered.com/IGameServersService/CreateAccount/v0001/
>>
>>
>>
>> The POST arguments should be:
>>
>>   appid=440 (for Team Fortress)
>>
>>   key=
>>
>>
>>
>>  is the WebAPI key associated with the user account that 
>> will own the server accounts. See http://steamcommunity.com/dev for how to 
>> get one of these.  (WARNING: Make sure and keep this key secret.  This key 
>> is an authentication token in some respects and makes it possible to do 
>> certain actions on your behalf.  Don't feed the key into anybody's nice 
>> convenient web pag

[hlds] Server Replay Cleanup

[Chris M.]

Does any replay cleanup related command works? I tried to use
replay_docleanup and it crashed the server.

Does anyone has settings than cleanup replays on gameserver and ftp and it
works?

I dont think most of the server commands here work:
http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Replay
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[hlds] Monitoring server stats

[Chris Cable]

I apologize if this has been asked before. But, i was wondering if there is
a common tool that people use to monitor their srcds boxes? I'd like to see
historical data for the server fps, network traffic, client connects, etc.


-Chris
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Re: [hlds] srcds.exe Application Errors

[Chris Cable]

Ram is all the same model. This is a VMware esxi 5 server. I also tried it
on another machine running windows xp and the same errors happened randomly.

I built a centos vm and am now running the servers on it.


On Sunday, September 2, 2012, Martin Weltchek wrote:

> Bad or mixed ram strips... Make sure all ram is the same frequency... Also
> to run a ram diagnostic tool might take some time. Check for updates for
> your motherboard as there might have been an update released to fix errors
> like that but make sure you read the update fix info prior to updating. I
> am still betting it's bad or worn out ram or mixed ram. Some might argue
> using mixed ram causes no issues but in some instances it does make a
> difference.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 1, 2012, at 9:03 AM, Chris Cable 
> >
> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know how to fix this issue? I have been running a TF2 MvM
> server for about a week. It will randomly crash with this error. I've tried
> running srcds on a Server 2003 R2 and a Windows XP machine, both test were
> on different hardware..
> There are no mods installed.
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> *Startup Command*
> C:\HLserver\orangebox\srcds.exe -console -game tf +hostport 27015
> +maxplayers 32 +map mvm_decoy
>
>
>
> *Server.cfg*
> // Rcon Cvars
> rcon_password "" //Set's remote control password
> sv_rcon_banpenalty 15 //Number of minutes to ban users who fail rcon
> authentication
> sv_rcon_log 1 //Enable/disable rcon logging.
> sv_rcon_maxfailures 3 //Max number of times a user can fail rcon
> authentication before being banned
> sv_rcon_minfailures 5 //Number of times a user can fail rcon
> authentication in sv_rcon_minfailuretime before being banned
> sv_rcon_minfailuretime 10 //Number of seconds to track failed rcon
> authentications
>
> // Server Password
> // sv_password "" // Password protects server
>
> // Server Cvars
> mp_allowspectators 0 //Toggles whether the server allows spectator mode or
> not
> mp_autocrosshair 0
> // mp_autoteambalance 1 //Toggles server autoteambalance
> // mp_bonusroundtime 5 //Time in seconds after round win until round
> restarts
> mp_chattime 5 //amount of time in seconds players can chat after the game
> is over
> tf_mm_servermode 2
> tf_mm_strict 0
> mp_tournament 1
> mp_decals 1
> mp_defaultteam 1
> mp_disable_autokick 1 //Prevents a userid from being auto-kicked
> mp_enableroundwaittime 1 //Enable timers to wait between rounds.
> mp_fadetoblack 0 //fade a player's screen to black when he dies
> mp_falldamage 5 //Amount of damage players sustains from a fall
> mp_flashlight 0 //Toggles flashlight on or off
> mp_footsteps 1 //Toggles footsteps on or off
> mp_forcecamera 0 //Restricts spectator modes for dead players
> mp_forcerespawn 0
> // mp_forcerespawnplayers 1 //Force all players to respawn.
> // mp_forcewin 1 //Forces team to win
> // mp_fraglimit 0
> mp_idledealmethod 2 //Deals with Idle Players. 1 = Sends them into
> Spectator mode then kicks them if they're still idle, 2 = Kicks them out of
> the game
> mp_idlemaxtime 2 //Maximum time a player is allowed to be idle (in minutes)
> // mp_maxrounds 10 //max number of rounds to play before server changes
> maps
> // mp_teams_unbalance_limit 2 //Teams are unbalanced when one team has
> this many more players than the other team. (0 disables check)
> // mp_teststalemate 0 //Test the stalemate mode. Parameter: <0/1>. If 1,
> the map will reset at the end.
> // mp_time_between_capscoring 5 //Delay between scoring of owned capture
> points.
> // mp_timelimit 20 //game time per map in minutes
> // mp_winlimit 10 //Max number of rounds one team can win before server
> changes maps
> sv_allow_color_correction 1 //Allow or disallow clients to use color
> correction on this server.
> sv_allow_wait_command 0 //Allow or disallow the wait command on clients
> connected to this server.
> sv_allowdownload 1 //Allow clients to download files
> sv_allowupload 0 //Allow clients to upload customizations files
> sv_alltalk 0 //Players can hear all other players, no team restrictions
> sv_alternateticks 0 //If set, server only simulates entities on even
> numbered ticks.
> sv_autosave 0 //Set to 1 to autosave game on level transition. Does not
> affect autosave triggers.
> sv_bonus_challenge 0 //Set to values other than 0 to select a bonus map
> challenge type.
> sv_cacheencodedents 1 //If set to 1, does an optimization to prevent extra
> SendTable_Encode calls.
> sv_cheats 0 //Allow cheats on server
> sv_clearhinthistory 0 //Clear memory of server side hints displayed to the
> player.
> sv_consistency 1 //Whether the server enforces file consistency

Re: [hlds] Digest format seems to be broken?

[Chris Cable]

Why is there a mailing list anyways? Wouldn't it be more efferent to use
the Forums? Then people could search easily for previous issues.

On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Chad Hedstrom wrote:

> I'll admit, the MvM update is pushing a lot of traffic on this list
> right now, but a year ago digest format meant 4-10 emails in a single
> digest email, regardless of traffic.
>
> Two weeks ago I started getting 3 emails in a single digest email.
>
> Today I am getting a SINGLE (1) email in a digest email. I might as
> well just turn off digest mode entirely.
>
> Until the boys at Valve get this fixed, do you guys mind not including
> the last nine replies in the body of your email? Obviously we can go
> back and read the previous relevant responses if we need to.
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Re: [hlds] srcds.exe Application Errors

[Chris Cable]

It's not bad memory, iv'e scanned it and tries running this on
two separate machines.
Thanks ICS, ill fire up a Linux VM and try srcds over there.

On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Alexander Z  wrote:

> Speaking of which, here's a question to Valve: Are there any plans on
> fixing srcds in the near future?
>
>
> On 1 September 2012 15:41, ics  wrote:
>
>>  Nope, linux is pretty much crash free except when some updates might
>> cause temporarely crashings. It could be just a bad memory on your system
>> but i doubt its just same thing as players get, even me. hl2.exe crashes
>> for some reason or that same error pulls out.
>>
>> -ics
>>
>> 1.9.2012 16:39, Chris Cable kirjoitti:
>>
>> Does the Linux srcds have the same issue?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Alexander Z wrote:
>>
>>> srcds has been broken for around a year now. It either randomly crashes
>>> or is unable to validate with Steam.
>>>
>>>  On 1 September 2012 15:02, Chris Cable  wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Does anyone know how to fix this issue? I have been running a TF2 MvM
>>>> server for about a week. It will randomly crash with this error. I've tried
>>>> running srcds on a Server 2003 R2 and a Windows XP machine, both test were
>>>> on different hardware..
>>>> There are no mods installed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  [image: Inline image 1]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  *Startup Command*
>>>> C:\HLserver\orangebox\srcds.exe -console -game tf +hostport 27015
>>>> +maxplayers 32 +map mvm_decoy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  *Server.cfg*
>>>>  // Rcon Cvars
>>>> rcon_password "" //Set's remote control password
>>>> sv_rcon_banpenalty 15 //Number of minutes to ban users who fail rcon
>>>> authentication
>>>> sv_rcon_log 1 //Enable/disable rcon logging.
>>>> sv_rcon_maxfailures 3 //Max number of times a user can fail rcon
>>>> authentication before being banned
>>>> sv_rcon_minfailures 5 //Number of times a user can fail rcon
>>>> authentication in sv_rcon_minfailuretime before being banned
>>>> sv_rcon_minfailuretime 10 //Number of seconds to track failed rcon
>>>> authentications
>>>>
>>>>  // Server Password
>>>> // sv_password "" // Password protects server
>>>>
>>>>  // Server Cvars
>>>> mp_allowspectators 0 //Toggles whether the server allows spectator mode
>>>> or not
>>>> mp_autocrosshair 0
>>>> // mp_autoteambalance 1 //Toggles server autoteambalance
>>>> // mp_bonusroundtime 5 //Time in seconds after round win until round
>>>> restarts
>>>> mp_chattime 5 //amount of time in seconds players can chat after the
>>>> game is over
>>>> tf_mm_servermode 2
>>>> tf_mm_strict 0
>>>> mp_tournament 1
>>>> mp_decals 1
>>>> mp_defaultteam 1
>>>> mp_disable_autokick 1 //Prevents a userid from being auto-kicked
>>>> mp_enableroundwaittime 1 //Enable timers to wait between rounds.
>>>> mp_fadetoblack 0 //fade a player's screen to black when he dies
>>>> mp_falldamage 5 //Amount of damage players sustains from a fall
>>>> mp_flashlight 0 //Toggles flashlight on or off
>>>> mp_footsteps 1 //Toggles footsteps on or off
>>>> mp_forcecamera 0 //Restricts spectator modes for dead players
>>>> mp_forcerespawn 0
>>>> // mp_forcerespawnplayers 1 //Force all players to respawn.
>>>> // mp_forcewin 1 //Forces team to win
>>>> // mp_fraglimit 0
>>>> mp_idledealmethod 2 //Deals with Idle Players. 1 = Sends them into
>>>> Spectator mode then kicks them if they're still idle, 2 = Kicks them out of
>>>> the game
>>>> mp_idlemaxtime 2 //Maximum time a player is allowed to be idle (in
>>>> minutes)
>>>> // mp_maxrounds 10 //max number of rounds to play before server changes
>>>> maps
>>>> // mp_teams_unbalance_limit 2 //Teams are unbalanced when one team has
>>>> this many more players than the other team. (0 disables check)
>>>> // mp_teststalemate 0 //Test the stalemate mode. Parameter: <0/1>. If
>>>> 1, the map will reset at the end.
>>>> // mp_time_between_capscoring 5 //Delay between scoring of owned
>>>> capture points.
>>>

Re: [hlds] srcds.exe Application Errors

[Chris Cable]

Does the Linux srcds have the same issue?



On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Alexander Z  wrote:

> srcds has been broken for around a year now. It either randomly crashes or
> is unable to validate with Steam.
>
> On 1 September 2012 15:02, Chris Cable  wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know how to fix this issue? I have been running a TF2 MvM
>> server for about a week. It will randomly crash with this error. I've tried
>> running srcds on a Server 2003 R2 and a Windows XP machine, both test were
>> on different hardware..
>> There are no mods installed.
>>
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>>
>>
>> *Startup Command*
>> C:\HLserver\orangebox\srcds.exe -console -game tf +hostport 27015
>> +maxplayers 32 +map mvm_decoy
>>
>>
>>
>> *Server.cfg*
>> // Rcon Cvars
>> rcon_password "" //Set's remote control password
>> sv_rcon_banpenalty 15 //Number of minutes to ban users who fail rcon
>> authentication
>> sv_rcon_log 1 //Enable/disable rcon logging.
>> sv_rcon_maxfailures 3 //Max number of times a user can fail rcon
>> authentication before being banned
>> sv_rcon_minfailures 5 //Number of times a user can fail rcon
>> authentication in sv_rcon_minfailuretime before being banned
>> sv_rcon_minfailuretime 10 //Number of seconds to track failed rcon
>> authentications
>>
>> // Server Password
>> // sv_password "" // Password protects server
>>
>> // Server Cvars
>> mp_allowspectators 0 //Toggles whether the server allows spectator mode
>> or not
>> mp_autocrosshair 0
>> // mp_autoteambalance 1 //Toggles server autoteambalance
>> // mp_bonusroundtime 5 //Time in seconds after round win until round
>> restarts
>> mp_chattime 5 //amount of time in seconds players can chat after the game
>> is over
>> tf_mm_servermode 2
>> tf_mm_strict 0
>> mp_tournament 1
>> mp_decals 1
>> mp_defaultteam 1
>> mp_disable_autokick 1 //Prevents a userid from being auto-kicked
>> mp_enableroundwaittime 1 //Enable timers to wait between rounds.
>> mp_fadetoblack 0 //fade a player's screen to black when he dies
>> mp_falldamage 5 //Amount of damage players sustains from a fall
>> mp_flashlight 0 //Toggles flashlight on or off
>> mp_footsteps 1 //Toggles footsteps on or off
>> mp_forcecamera 0 //Restricts spectator modes for dead players
>> mp_forcerespawn 0
>> // mp_forcerespawnplayers 1 //Force all players to respawn.
>> // mp_forcewin 1 //Forces team to win
>> // mp_fraglimit 0
>> mp_idledealmethod 2 //Deals with Idle Players. 1 = Sends them into
>> Spectator mode then kicks them if they're still idle, 2 = Kicks them out of
>> the game
>> mp_idlemaxtime 2 //Maximum time a player is allowed to be idle (in
>> minutes)
>> // mp_maxrounds 10 //max number of rounds to play before server changes
>> maps
>> // mp_teams_unbalance_limit 2 //Teams are unbalanced when one team has
>> this many more players than the other team. (0 disables check)
>> // mp_teststalemate 0 //Test the stalemate mode. Parameter: <0/1>. If 1,
>> the map will reset at the end.
>> // mp_time_between_capscoring 5 //Delay between scoring of owned capture
>> points.
>> // mp_timelimit 20 //game time per map in minutes
>> // mp_winlimit 10 //Max number of rounds one team can win before server
>> changes maps
>> sv_allow_color_correction 1 //Allow or disallow clients to use color
>> correction on this server.
>> sv_allow_wait_command 0 //Allow or disallow the wait command on clients
>> connected to this server.
>> sv_allowdownload 1 //Allow clients to download files
>> sv_allowupload 0 //Allow clients to upload customizations files
>> sv_alltalk 0 //Players can hear all other players, no team restrictions
>> sv_alternateticks 0 //If set, server only simulates entities on even
>> numbered ticks.
>> sv_autosave 0 //Set to 1 to autosave game on level transition. Does not
>> affect autosave triggers.
>> sv_bonus_challenge 0 //Set to values other than 0 to select a bonus map
>> challenge type.
>> sv_cacheencodedents 1 //If set to 1, does an optimization to prevent
>> extra SendTable_Encode calls.
>> sv_cheats 0 //Allow cheats on server
>> sv_clearhinthistory 0 //Clear memory of server side hints displayed to
>> the player.
>> sv_consistency 1 //Whether the server enforces file consistency for
>> critical files
>> sv_contact "" //Contact email for server sysop
>> // sv_downloadurl "" //Location from which clients can download missi

[hlds] srcds.exe Application Errors

[Chris Cable]

Does anyone know how to fix this issue? I have been running a TF2 MvM
server for about a week. It will randomly crash with this error. I've tried
running srcds on a Server 2003 R2 and a Windows XP machine, both test were
on different hardware..
There are no mods installed.


[image: Inline image 1]



*Startup Command*
C:\HLserver\orangebox\srcds.exe -console -game tf +hostport 27015
+maxplayers 32 +map mvm_decoy



*Server.cfg*
// Rcon Cvars
rcon_password "" //Set's remote control password
sv_rcon_banpenalty 15 //Number of minutes to ban users who fail rcon
authentication
sv_rcon_log 1 //Enable/disable rcon logging.
sv_rcon_maxfailures 3 //Max number of times a user can fail rcon
authentication before being banned
sv_rcon_minfailures 5 //Number of times a user can fail rcon authentication
in sv_rcon_minfailuretime before being banned
sv_rcon_minfailuretime 10 //Number of seconds to track failed rcon
authentications

// Server Password
// sv_password "" // Password protects server

// Server Cvars
mp_allowspectators 0 //Toggles whether the server allows spectator mode or
not
mp_autocrosshair 0
// mp_autoteambalance 1 //Toggles server autoteambalance
// mp_bonusroundtime 5 //Time in seconds after round win until round
restarts
mp_chattime 5 //amount of time in seconds players can chat after the game
is over
tf_mm_servermode 2
tf_mm_strict 0
mp_tournament 1
mp_decals 1
mp_defaultteam 1
mp_disable_autokick 1 //Prevents a userid from being auto-kicked
mp_enableroundwaittime 1 //Enable timers to wait between rounds.
mp_fadetoblack 0 //fade a player's screen to black when he dies
mp_falldamage 5 //Amount of damage players sustains from a fall
mp_flashlight 0 //Toggles flashlight on or off
mp_footsteps 1 //Toggles footsteps on or off
mp_forcecamera 0 //Restricts spectator modes for dead players
mp_forcerespawn 0
// mp_forcerespawnplayers 1 //Force all players to respawn.
// mp_forcewin 1 //Forces team to win
// mp_fraglimit 0
mp_idledealmethod 2 //Deals with Idle Players. 1 = Sends them into
Spectator mode then kicks them if they're still idle, 2 = Kicks them out of
the game
mp_idlemaxtime 2 //Maximum time a player is allowed to be idle (in minutes)
// mp_maxrounds 10 //max number of rounds to play before server changes maps
// mp_teams_unbalance_limit 2 //Teams are unbalanced when one team has this
many more players than the other team. (0 disables check)
// mp_teststalemate 0 //Test the stalemate mode. Parameter: <0/1>. If 1,
the map will reset at the end.
// mp_time_between_capscoring 5 //Delay between scoring of owned capture
points.
// mp_timelimit 20 //game time per map in minutes
// mp_winlimit 10 //Max number of rounds one team can win before server
changes maps
sv_allow_color_correction 1 //Allow or disallow clients to use color
correction on this server.
sv_allow_wait_command 0 //Allow or disallow the wait command on clients
connected to this server.
sv_allowdownload 1 //Allow clients to download files
sv_allowupload 0 //Allow clients to upload customizations files
sv_alltalk 0 //Players can hear all other players, no team restrictions
sv_alternateticks 0 //If set, server only simulates entities on even
numbered ticks.
sv_autosave 0 //Set to 1 to autosave game on level transition. Does not
affect autosave triggers.
sv_bonus_challenge 0 //Set to values other than 0 to select a bonus map
challenge type.
sv_cacheencodedents 1 //If set to 1, does an optimization to prevent extra
SendTable_Encode calls.
sv_cheats 0 //Allow cheats on server
sv_clearhinthistory 0 //Clear memory of server side hints displayed to the
player.
sv_consistency 1 //Whether the server enforces file consistency for
critical files
sv_contact "" //Contact email for server sysop
// sv_downloadurl "" //Location from which clients can download missing
files
sv_enableoldqueries 1 //Enable support for old style (HL1) server queries
sv_pausable 0 //Is the server pausable.
sv_pure 1

// Lan or internet play, Server region cvars
sv_lan 0 //Server is a lan server ( no heartbeat, no authentication, no
non-class C addresses )
sv_region 0 // Region Codes: 0 - US East coast, 1 - US West coast, 2 -
South America, 2 - South America, 3 - Europe, 4 - Asia, 5 - Australia, 6 -
Middle East, 7 - Africa, 255 - world

//server Logging
sv_log_onefile 0 //Log server information to only one file.
sv_logbans 1 //Log server bans in the server logs.
sv_logblocks 0 //If true when log when a query is blocked (can cause very
large log files)
sv_logecho 0 //Echo log information to the console.
sv_logfile 1 //Log server information in the log file.
sv_logflush 0 //Flush the log file to disk on each write (slow).
sv_logsdir "logs" //Folder in the game directory where server logs will be
stored.

//Server Rates
sv_maxcmdrate 0 //(If sv_mincmdrate is > 0), this sets the maximum value
for cl_cmdrate.
sv_maxrate 2 //Max bandwidth rate allowed on server, 0 == unlimited
sv_maxreplay 2 //Maximum replay time in seconds
sv_maxupdaterate 100 //Maximum updates per se

Re: [hlds] Connection to Steam servers lost. (Result = 3)

[Chris Cable]

I don't see any connection interrupted messages in my logs.

-Chris

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Essay Tew Phaun  wrote:

> Just got this on all 8 of our servers and every single player on every
> server got disconnected. Can anyone else confirm this as happening to them?
> Happened at about 3:30 PM EST.
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Re: [hlds] Steam support library

[Chris | Immortal-Servers.com]

i found a fix for this.

download this and extract to the where the .exe is in the root of the game

http://immortal-servers.com/downloads/steam.rar

it is steam files, i did this and works fine.

-Original Message- 
From: G. Hutchinson

Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 3:01 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Steam support library

Ok this is getting annoying. Normally I am pretty good at figuring
issues out and this one has been a thorn in my side for a month now.
I had to break apart a RAID so as to swap out a drive going bad. Ever
since then, I encounter the following (not always, but often enough to 
suck):


L 08/15/2012 - 08:30:09: Initializing Steam libraries for secure
Internet server
L 08/15/2012 - 08:30:10:
*
L 08/15/2012 - 08:30:10: * Unable to load Steam support library.*
L 08/15/2012 - 08:30:10: * This server will operate in LAN mode only.*
L 08/15/2012 - 08:30:11:
*

Aside from installing the steam client on the server, which it had
never been or had to be installed on prior to run the servers
publicly. For some reason installing  the client remedies the issue.
But I notice sometimes it still fails occasionally. Un-installing and
reinstalling and/or leaving installed the client seems to fix. ONLY
that seems to fix it so far. My suspicion is somewhere there is a
registry link bad in the OS (Windows server 08, R2) pertaining to
hlds or such.

- verify_all does nothing to help the situation, my cl startup is
fine and it annoys me to have the steam client on the server to begin
with. Again, from the initial setup I did not have to have it
installed and it ran for years just fine without ever installing the
client on the machine. Does anyone know a perm fix for this? Even
deleting all steam references in registry has been to no avail,
unless I missed some (searched Steam). Reinstalling hlds did not help
to fix any possible broken registry links or such. I am tired of
having to fire up and watch for this message I never had issue with
before, only to see it on occasion and have to un-install and
reinstall steam client... On a server... That should not have to have
the client installed... Searching mailing list archives, the only
remedy I have found is the installing of the client. This is not a
fix, rather something that is circumventing a broken link somewhere
in my opinion.

It is not a firewall issue since that has not changed in years.
it is not a command line issue, they have not changed in years.
It is not a convar issue in any config, has not changed in years.
is not a SM, MM issue, updated and runs fine.
Reinstalling hlds did not help.
Virgin instances of the servers does not help.
Sometimes it happen after game server updates, sometimes after a
machine reboot.

Thanks,
Hutch


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Re: [hlds] [hlds_linux] Mandatory Counter-Strike: Source Update Released

[Chris Brunelle]

I'm getting a winsock error when trying to update?

  1:47 [68.142.73.210:27030] Connecting...
  1:50 [68.142.73.210:27030] Failed.  Failed to connect to
68.142.73.210:27030, WinSock Error 0 "No error"


Keeps running through a bunch of addresses, I'm assuming content servers...

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Tony Paloma  wrote:

> We've released a mandatory update to Counter-Strike: Source. The notes for
> the update are below.
>
>
>
> - Tony
>
>
>
> --
>
>
> Counter-Strike: Source
> - Fixed a problem that allowed spoofed IP addresses to make connections to
> the game server
>
> - Added ConVars sv_rcon_maxpacketsize and sv_rcon_maxpacketbans to allow
> server admins to control the maximum RCON packet size and whether or not
> users get banned for exceeding that limit. The defaults reflect the
> existing behavior.
>
> - Fixed not being able to import custom spray images on Macs
>
> - Fixed Macs cancelling http map downloads that take longer than 30 seconds
>
> - Updated the HTML renderer for displaying server MOTD
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Re: [hlds] STEAM Validation Rejected on Source Multiplayer Dedicated Server tool

[Chris Green]

On 10/30/11 8:45 AM, Cc2iscooL wrote:
Have you guys tried running a -verify_all on your servers or 
validating your clients?
Verified local cache files, even scrubbed, downloaded once more again to 
repeat, and reconfigured: no joy. steam_appid.txt was in the same place 
it's always been and contained the same ID it's always contained. 
Client's a non-starter (although I verified local cache anyway) because 
client works just fine against (eg) Loki's servers, which presumably are 
running orangebox.


Thanks,
Chris.

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Re: [hlds] STEAM Validation Rejected on Source Multiplayer Dedicated Server tool

[Chris Green]

Hi,

I am think I can add something to this: there is quite the
thread<http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2173772>on
the forum. Evidently source dedicated server (steam-delivered version
--
hldsupdatetool / orange-box is still fine) stopped working for multiple
people with the, "Manniversary" update on 10/13.  The comments are all the
same, "working just fine before, can't connect to own server after." One
poster claims he got Tony Paloma interested and he said he'd look into it,
but Steam Support won't even acknowledge the problem. After two different
tickets beset by slow response and inapplicable FAQ references in what
responses did return, I finally got a, "we don't support servers." My
experience is not unique.

The only silver lining to the cloud is that the orangebox server works just
fine -- this problem only affects the Steam server. Symptom is, "Steam
validation rejected" on the client side and, "S3: Client connected with
ticket for the wrong game: UserID: 2" on the server console. I even went to
the trouble of copying steam_appid.txt everywhere I could think of, to no
avail.

Bottom line -- it's a real bug in the Steam-delivered version of srcds that
came down with the 10/13 update, is not being acknowledged by official
channels and is causing much frustration.

If anyone on this list has any insight or further information on this
problem, I think quite a few people would be interested.

Thanks,
Chris.

On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Alexander Z  wrote:

> I think I may have sent the message incorrectly before, so I'll send it
> again(I might as well end up creating another "thread", sorry if I do, not
> entirely sure how this thing works).
> Yes, I made sure of that.
>
> 2011/10/30 Noel 
>
>>
>>
>> Don't worry about not being a professional server host when you make your
>> inquiry -- a lot of folks on the list aren't.
>>
>> As for your question, before I do any serious digging can you confirm (I
>> know this sounds silly but..) that you created steam_appid as a txt file,
>> and not steam_appid.txt.txt?  Make sure you have 'hide extensions for known
>> file types' disabled so that you can verify there is no extension
>> duplication.
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Alexander Z wrote:
>>
>>> I know this is a list mostly for professional server hosters, but I hope
>>> you guys can help an amateur who hosts only occasionally as well.
>>> The problem is in the topic, except the traditional solution (adding
>>> steam_appid.txt with TF2's appid in the tool's folder) doesn't work, and I
>>> can't seem to find any other.
>>> Thanks in advance.
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Re: [hlds] Killing Floor Halloween Event Coming Soon

[Chris Brunelle]

+1.

If you can't figure out how to set up proper filtering using a modern mail
client, then quit using email period.

There's more people complaining about email on this list than actual emails
going out which aren't mailing list related.

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Nicholas Hastings wrote:

>  Can we banish just some people to SPUF and keep the list for the rest of
> us?
>
>
> On 10/27/2011 12:12 PM, zach isaac wrote:
>
> Is it going out through the HLDS mailing list becuase it will incorperate
> TF2, or is there another reason for this?
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:51 AM, James Ives  wrote:
>
>> Exciting! When roughly will this roll out?
>>
>>  On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 06:35, John Gibson > > wrote:
>>
>>>  Everyone,
>>>
>>> I wanted to give you all a heads up that we've doing a special event for
>>> Killing Floor for Halloween. This will be a required server update. I can't
>>> give out any details just yet, but expect to see lots of people playing and
>>> full servers :)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> John
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Re: [hlds] Max FPS

[Chris Brunelle]

This is incorrect.  Before this update, even if you were running Windows
2008 with HPET enabled, you still needed to run srcdsfpsbooster or an
equivalent in order to maintain 250fps/500fps/1000fps etc.

On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Brandon R. Miller wrote:

> Hmm, well that's no good. What about programs or bios settings that cause
> the high resolution timer to be lower than expected?
>
> Unreal 3 engine does this
> COD engine does this
> Multiple other engines do this as well
>
> Also I believe that even Windows 2008 with HPET enabled in the bios will
> have the same effect. Are srcds servers going to run badly if HPET is
> enabled or other softwares are installed that cause the high resolution
> timer to be 0.997ms?
>
> - Bran
>
>
> On 10/17/2011 1:44 PM, Henry Goffin wrote:
>
>> Oh. I kind of assumed that people wouldn't still be running those "FPS
>> boost" hacks now. I'm sure that they interact terribly with the new timing
>> code. Please get rid of those. We probably should have called that out in
>> the update notice.
>>
>> On Oct 17, 2011, at 11:21 AM, "mu...@anbservers.net"> anbservers.net >  wrote:
>>
>>  This maybe useful to some people.
>>>
>>> I was running higher FPS servers (500 fps) 0n my win 2008R2 server with
>>> sourcefpsbooster running.  After the update I noticed lots of lag but once I
>>> disabled the fps booster the lag went away.  As there is no need for it when
>>> the tick/fps is locked at 66.  So maybe that will help some of you.  I
>>> personally now can't tell a difference.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original message-
>>> From: Dominik Friedrichs d...@forlix.org
>>> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 11:22:06 -0400
>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
>>> hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Max FPS
>>>
>>>  I too couldn't care less about the raging nerds who try to squeeze the
 last bit of performance out of their game, even if it gives them an
 unfair advantage over the majority of other players. The game should be
 fun and fair for everyone. Believe it or not, I'm still playing with a
 PC dated 2005 and my client FPS drop below 20 quite often in TF2. I
 highly doubt that anyone would notice any difference in server FPS
 playing from such a machine, and I'm quite happy that Valve levels the
 playing field in this regard. If - for some people - the in-game
 experience isn't smooth enough, I recommend getting a life.

 On 2011/10/17 16:54, Drogen Viech wrote:

> Just one thing - keep going valve, i really appreciate the changes you
> guys are doing regarding fps and tickrate! I might even start playing
> css again because of this :)
> (Please don't start flaming me for spamming your inboxes, i'm just
> trying to give valve a heads up instead of raging about locked server
> side fps sucks :(
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Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2, Counter-Strike: Source, Day of Defeat: Source and Half-Life 2: Deathmatch Updates Released

[Chris Brunelle]

No kidding.  This is unreal.

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Lambda  wrote:

> Its basically impossible to update a server
>
>
> 2011/10/13 Dominik Friedrichs 
>
>> Checking bootstrapper version ...
>> Updating Installation
>> Command aborted
>>
>> Oh joy :D
>>
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Re: [hlds] RO2 Customer Service Tactics

[Chris Brunelle]

He's stating the obvious.  Troll.  Now go away.

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Bubka3  wrote:

> Here's how John, CEO of Tripwire Interactive does customer service. One can
> only imagine what his employees are like.
>
> If you don't care good for you.
>
> PS. I'm not stupid enough to get help with the same name.
>
> Thanks,
> - Bubka3
>
>
> On 10/13/2011 10:10 AM, John Gibson wrote:
>
>> I apologize, I mistook you for someone that actually needed support and
>> politely tried to help you. As it turns out you were just trying to be a
>> troll with an axe to grind. I'll know to ignore you in the future.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John
>>
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Re: [hlds] Required Update for RO2 pending

[Chris Brunelle]

You're doing it wrong then.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Bubka3  wrote:

>  I mean't to say month, and I don't know how I can lie to myself?
>
> Thanks,
> - Bubka3
>
>
> On 10/12/2011 5:55 PM, Chris Brunelle wrote:
>
> Considering the game was only released a month ago (Sept 13th), I would say
> your GSP is either lying to you, or doesn't have the correct information on
> how to apply.
>
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Bubka3  wrote:
>
>>  My GSP applied months ago and have yet to hear from  you.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> - Bubka3
>>
>>
>> On 10/12/2011 5:52 PM, John Gibson wrote:
>>
>> We have two programs that we run. The first is our Recommended Server
>> Hosting Providers. These hosts are people that we worked with during the
>> development of the game and that we know should be quality hosts for RO2
>> dedicated servers. We are full up on those.
>>
>> We do allow any GSP or legitimate gaming community host ranked servers for
>> Red Orchestra 2. The application page is here:
>>
>> http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?t=62720
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Bubka3  wrote:
>>
>>>  John,
>>>
>>> Is your company no longer caring to accept RSPs?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> - Bubka3
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/12/2011 5:12 PM, John Gibson wrote:
>>>
>>> A required update for Red Orchestra 2 will be released shortly.
>>> Changelist will be coming shortly.
>>>
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Re: [hlds] Required Update for RO2 pending

[Chris Brunelle]

Considering the game was only released a month ago (Sept 13th), I would say
your GSP is either lying to you, or doesn't have the correct information on
how to apply.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Bubka3  wrote:

>  My GSP applied months ago and have yet to hear from  you.
>
> Thanks,
> - Bubka3
>
>
> On 10/12/2011 5:52 PM, John Gibson wrote:
>
> We have two programs that we run. The first is our Recommended Server
> Hosting Providers. These hosts are people that we worked with during the
> development of the game and that we know should be quality hosts for RO2
> dedicated servers. We are full up on those.
>
> We do allow any GSP or legitimate gaming community host ranked servers for
> Red Orchestra 2. The application page is here:
>
> http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?t=62720
>
> Regards,
>
> John
>
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Bubka3  wrote:
>
>>  John,
>>
>> Is your company no longer caring to accept RSPs?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> - Bubka3
>>
>>
>> On 10/12/2011 5:12 PM, John Gibson wrote:
>>
>> A required update for Red Orchestra 2 will be released shortly. Changelist
>> will be coming shortly.
>>
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Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2, Counter-Strike: Source, Day of Defeat: Source and Half-Life 2: Deathmatch Updates Released

[Chris Brunelle]

Why does updating servers take forever.  I've been sitting on "Updating
installation..." for ten minutes now.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 2:44 PM, E. Olsen  wrote:

> "- Added a server command line option called "-dumplongticks" which will
> generate minidumps when there are long server frames"
>
> Is that to assist in diagnosing the server hang issues?
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Bruno Garcia wrote:
>
>>  No longer causes the wielder to take increased damage from other sources
>>>
>>
>> I'm glad that got fixed, i actually reported it through the Bug Report on
>> Team Fortress 2.
>> Awesome work :)
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Jason Ruymen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Required updates to Team Fortress 2, Counter-Strike: Source, Day of
>>> Defeat: Source and Half-Life 2: Deathmatch are now available.  The specific
>>> changes include: 
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Shared Source Changes (CS:S, DoD:S, TF2, HL2:DM)
>>>
>>> - Added a server command line option called "-dumplongticks" which will
>>> generate minidumps when there are long server frames
>>>
>>> - Fixed startmovie failing for the raw, tga, jpg, and wav options
>>>
>>> - Fixed some HUD messages not displaying properly on widescreen
>>> resolutions
>>>
>>> - Updated the localization files for all games
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Team Fortress 2
>>>
>>> - Fixed Demomen with the Persian Persuader equipped picking up ammo
>>> crates when they're already at full health
>>>
>>> - Fixed hatless headgear not removing the player's hat
>>>
>>> - Fixed Natascha's bullets preventing Scouts from using Bonk and
>>> Crit-a-Cola
>>>
>>> - Fixed teleporter progress being displayed incorrectly after upgrading a
>>> teleporter while it was recharging
>>>
>>> - Fixed a rare server crash related to assists
>>>
>>> - Fixed FCVAR_NOTIFY chat messages being clipped and not displaying the
>>> new value for the cvar
>>>
>>> - Purchased items are no longer announced in the chat text
>>>
>>> - Reduced the amount of server console output when client commands are
>>> out of sync
>>>
>>> - Added the following ConVars for proxy support for replay FTP
>>> offloading: replay_fileserver_offload_useproxy,
>>> replay_fileserver_offload_proxy_host, and
>>> replay_fileserver_offload_proxy_port
>>>
>>> - Removed replay_port ConVar (and the need for replay to open a port)***
>>> *
>>>
>>> - Updated the matchmaking filtering to speed up searches and reduce the
>>> number of pinged servers
>>>
>>> - Updated Pl_Upward
>>>
>>>- Fixed ending the game mid-round when mp_timelimit has been reached*
>>> ***
>>>
>>>- Fixed several exploit areas
>>>
>>> - Updated Pl_Goldrush
>>>
>>>- Stage 1 : Fixed overlapping train track models
>>>
>>>- Stage 1 : Fixed terrain seam by red spawn exit 
>>>
>>>- Stage 1 : Fixed red spawn room door going through ceiling
>>>
>>>- Stage 1 : Light fixture on roof structure of red's first spawn
>>> building switched to non-solid 
>>>
>>>- Stage 2 : Added func_nobuild under bridge that would get teleported
>>> players stuck
>>>
>>>- Stage 3 : Added invisible func_brushes above roofs to block blind
>>> demo grenade spam
>>>
>>>- Stage 3 : Fixed wood structure by main gate entrance so it doesn't
>>> destroy teleport buildables
>>>
>>>- Stage 3 : Added clip brush to top of main gate entrance
>>>
>>>- Stage 3 : Extended red's respawn room brushes to enclose entire
>>> interior
>>>
>>>- Stage 3 : Added respawn visualizer material to back face of blocker
>>> that prevents red from entering blue's respawn area from the top route**
>>> **
>>>
>>> - Updated Items
>>>
>>>- Added the Killer Exclusive
>>>
>>>- Added the Mask of the Shaman to the droplist and made it craftable*
>>> ***
>>>
>>>- Added the El Jefe  to the droplist and made it craftable
>>>
>>>- Added two new styles for the Large Luchadore
>>>
>>>- Fixed the Industrial Festivizer sometimes turning white
>>>
>>>- Updated the shading on the Crusader's Crossbow
>>>
>>>- Updated the Magnificent Mongolian texture and made it paintable
>>>
>>>- Updated the Carouser's Capotain with an improved appearance
>>>
>>>- Updated the Whiskered Gentlemen with an improved appearance
>>>
>>>- Updated the particle effects for the Cow Mangler 5000 and the
>>> Righteous Bison
>>>
>>>- Updated the Stickybomb Jumper
>>>
>>>   - Now uses a unique texture and projectile
>>>
>>>   - No longer causes the wielder to take increased damage from other
>>> sources
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Counter-Strike: Source
>>>
>>> Cumulative weapon updates
>>>
>>> - All weapons now have a new accuracy model which fixes many bugs and
>>> provides more intuitive weapon behavior
>>>
>>> - Weapons now have separate accuracy penalties for jumping, landing, and
>>> standing on ladders
>>>
>>> - All wea

Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update coming this afternoon

[Chris Brunelle]

The internet is serious business... :P

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 7:05 PM, João Gabriel  wrote:

> It was just a minor misreading, no big deal :|
>
>
> 2011/8/18 Robert Whelan 
>
>> ...and to think these same people run servers, scary ;p
>>
>>   *From:* 1nsane <1nsane...@gmail.com>
>> *To:* Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list <
>> hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:15 PM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update coming this afternoon
>>
>> What the... Reading comprehension is terrible on this list.
>>
>> He said it was required for TF2, optional for other orangebox games.
>>
>> Just to make it simple. This is a required TF2 update. And just so we are
>> clear TF2 is not CSS, or DODS or HL2DM hence "Mandatory TF2 update coming
>> this afternoon"
>>
>> See the TF2 part?
>>
>> Still confused?
>>  On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 8:11 PM, João Gabriel wrote:
>>
>> So, if this is optional, then why did you say it's mandatory in the first
>> mail?
>>
>>
>> 2011/8/18 Fletcher Dunn 
>>
>>  The update is only required for TF2.
>> ** **
>> The shared linux server depot will receive a very minor change, to fix the
>> missing libgcc dependency that is affecting a few linux distributions.  That
>> update is optional, and if your server is working (and you aren't running
>> TF2) then it is not necessary to apply the update.
>> ** **
>> Your humble servant,
>> Fletch
>> ** **
>>  *From:* hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:
>> hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] *On Behalf Of *IBIS Customer Service
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:09 PM
>> *To:* Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
>> *Subject:* Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update coming this afternoon
>>  ** **
>> Just wanted to confirm that this is tf2 only and not for cs:s or other
>> mods as well. In that other servers do not REQUIER an update. Is the above
>> correct?
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Re: [hlds] Server crashes (E. Olsen)

[Chris Brunelle]

I had the same issue but with a few CSS servers.  I fixed it by adding
-threads 1 to command line startup.

On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 12:25 PM, E. Olsen  wrote:

> Yeah...this is going to be a tough one to track down. I've been on a server
> a couple of times that it's happened, and there was no discernible cause,
> other than it seemed to happen most often right after a map change while
> players were choosing their teams. But again, there was no crash dump, and
> no error messages in the logs, so it's all but impossible to put my finger
> on the cause. It's happened on both 24 & 32 player servers, stock and custom
> maps, with Sourcemod and without, etc. Server specs are:
>
> 2 x e5620 (dual quad core)
> 24 GB ram
> 2 x 500GB drives (both defragged daily)
> 5 TF2 instances per box (and nothing else at the moment - servers stay at
> 35% CPU usage or less)
>
> It's more an annoyance than anything elsethe servers are all very
> stable (actually, they've been more stable in the last couple of months than
> ever before), and almost never crash, with exception of this "hang" once or
> twice per day. Some server will go for days without it occurring, then
> they'll have 1-2 hangs on the same day.
>
> Perhaps if there was some kind of verbose logging/debug file we could put
> on the server(s) for a couple of weeks that would detail exactly what was
> happening during each hang, we could be a bit more helpful to Valve in
> finding the problem?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Hutch  wrote:
>
>> **
>> Breaking your mail to the list out Olsen because this in particular caught
>> my interest.
>>
>> *E. Olsen"  " Wrote:
>> "I'm seeing intermittent server hangs on our Windows Server 2008 R2
>> servers.
>> No crash, no crash dump, the server just hangs and needs a manual
>> restart..."
>> *
>> Ditto, same OS have been seeing this for about 2 months now. Server
>> instance just freezes and required manual restart. I started eliminating
>> plugins and double checking SM, using latest stable, about to try latest
>> snapshot though I tend to prefer to not use snapshots. Did fresh server
>> installs as well just to cut any junk files that may have been left behind
>> that are no longer valid for the servers that could cause conflict. Nothing
>> has been revealed. Most times, again the instance just freezes. Occasionally
>> it will outright close and rarely do I get an error. Rarely I am blessed
>> with a dump. Seems to happen every 6 to 12 hrs on servers that have decent
>> traffic.
>> Looking at the dumps doesn't speak to me much.  I have seen server.dll
>> error if I am not mistaking. Hardware has been thoroughly tested and
>> retested and all appears well on that end.
>>
>> Dunno, but then I am not proficient with the dump files. My wife gripes at
>> me cause I can't find the mustard right there in the fridge. Apparently you
>> have to move stuff out of the way when looking for it.
>> Hutch
>>
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Re: [hlds] TF2 replay system, a few issues

[Chris]

Can confirm memory leak - been around prior to the replay update, but that
seems to have made it worse.

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Dominik Friedrichs  wrote:

> About leaks, if there are any, they're probably related to replay, which
> I'm no longer using. Without it, I cant really say because my servers crash
> before they can accumulate any large amount of memory... They run for a day
> or two, and in that time they dont go above 450 MB. Maybe this also depends
> on the mapcycle.
> Yes, the replay cleanup is useless.
>
>
> On 2011/06/26 15:48, Joeri van der Velden wrote:
>
>> Three of my TF2 servers are using the replay system, which is quite a
>> wonderful tool for clients but not so much for servers right now.
>> There's two issues, one quite clear, the other which I only suspect:
>>
>> * The file cleanup is horrible. If you don't clean up the old replay
>> data yourself you could end up with millions of files totalling a
>> terabyte of data after a month or so. I have a cronjob doing cleanup
>> every morning around 3:00AM but before that it was a horror. This needs
>> to be fixed. I suspect a server loses track of replay data when it
>> crashes, so my guess is it needs to know what to clean up when the
>> server is restarting.
>>
>> * Memory usage. For some reason, ever since the replay update, my 3
>> (24-slot) TF2 servers seems to leak memory, claiming up to 800MB of RAM
>> before I forcefully restart them because they affect server performance.
>> I can't say for sure the replay system is the cause of this, so I'd like
>> others to share their experiences to either confirm or challenge my claim.
>>
>> Hope I'll get some informative feedback.
>>
>>
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[hlds] [TF2] Server Populated During the Night? How?

[Chris Oryschak]

General question out to the community:

 

For those of you who have popular servers that populated 24/7, how did you
overcome keeping the server full all night?

 

I'm trying to come up with a way to keep people on the server populated
through the late hours of the night; during the day is no problem.

 

Here is my player graph/trend:

http://i.imgur.com/QN2dK.png

 

 

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[hlds] Server Specs for 32 Player Server

[Chris]

Question for you all, i'm currently renting a xen VPS and hosting a 32 man
server on it, it handles 28 players no problem but when we get 32/32 the FPS
drops below the tickrate and ingame lag becomes apparent.

I'm considering two options:

1. Build a box and host it.
2. Find another provider.

I don't mind switching providers assuming I get the control I want, I really
want the OS to be Linux with SSH access. Anyone have any suggestions?  I'm
currently paying $60/month.

If i were to build a server what processor spec's would you recommend to run
a 32 man server on?  The server is nearly 32/32 all day so i want something
powerful enough to handle that, plus be able to support any 'bad patches'
that can put a strain on the cpu in the future.

What CPU's is everyone running for their 32 man server(s)? Do you have any
historical data to show CPU usage so I can get a feel for the usage and how
much CPU is still left when full.  I'd really like to have the CPU sit at
75%CPU when full and playing a heavy map like hoodoo.
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Re: [hlds] TF2 Server being DDoS/Exploited

[Chris]

So i'm still under attack and got root access to one of my linux servers.
I thought doing the iptables fix here
http://www.vanillatf2.org/2011/01/fighting-dos-attacks/
would help but no luck.
Anyone know of a linux version of ququery cache like:
http://www.wantedgov.it/page/62-srcds-query-cache/


Thanks,
Chris

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 2:21 AM, Kyle Sanderson  wrote:

> Just to keep this updated, he's being flooded with bad OOB packets
> (Which is what ServerSecure2 helps fix).
>
> QueryCache will not do anything in regards to this attack. To the best
> of my knowledge, only ServerSecure2 will help prevent this. However,
> it does have it's own downfalls such as preventing clients from
> querying the server using the Server Browser if enough traffic is
> going through (even legitimate traffic will cause this).
>
> As always, sorry for my idiocy,
> Kyle.
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 8:49 PM, Chris Oryschak  wrote:
> > Actually I was calling it a night and was going to leave the server
> offline, decided to bring it up just to fool around about 2hrs later and
> it's working flawless.
> > I think it just had to drop all the stale/flooded packets it was
> receiving. If I disable the plugin for a few minutes and bring it back
> online the latency will be in the 1000ms range again and won't recover
> > Just had to take the server down for 30mins-1hr again and it resumed
> itself with normal pings.
> >
> > I have it up now, going see how it goes tomorrow morning but it looks to
> be very good.
> >
> > Thank you very much DontWannaName and Kyle for your help!
> > It's much appreciated!
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:
> hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Kyle Sanderson
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:22 PM
> > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 Server being DDoS/Exploited
> >
> > ServerSecure2 is causing that, which is why I fixed QueryCache.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Kyle.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Chris  wrote:
> >> Thankyou for that Kyle,
> >> It helps a bit by making the server respond but with ~1300ms response
> time.
> >>
> >> You can see when i loaded the extension in my hlsw.
> >>
> >> http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/928/hlswm.jpg
> >>
> >> Anyone have any other ideas or am i dead in the water?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Kyle Sanderson 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dr!fter has compiled the extension for you. Hopefully it works!
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Kyle.
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Chris  wrote:
> >>> > I grabbed the one from the root of that thread since that one you
> >>> > linked wasn't compiled for windows... i see that was recently
> >>> > updated opposed to the one on page 1.
> >>> >
> >>> > I requested to see if he can compile it for windows for me...
> >>> >
> >>> > Will wait and see...
> >>> >
> >>> > On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:41 PM, DontWannaName!
> >>> > 
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Did you restart the server and use the version I linked to?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Sent from my iPhone 4
> >>> >> On Jan 5, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Chris  wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Ohh actually i'm getting this with the querycache extension.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> [03]  file "querycache.ext.dll": The specified module
> >>> >> could not be found.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Chris  wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Just tried it, makes the server bounce online for 1-2seconds with
> >>> >>> a ping of 300 then goes to 1300 then goes down for about
> >>> >>> 10seconds, does a loop.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I tried DFENS which is a little more successful at bringing it
> >>> >>> up, but still goes down just as often.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:36 PM, DontWannaName!
> &

Re: [hlds] TF2 Server being DDoS/Exploited

[Chris Oryschak]

Actually I was calling it a night and was going to leave the server offline, 
decided to bring it up just to fool around about 2hrs later and it's working 
flawless.
I think it just had to drop all the stale/flooded packets it was receiving. If 
I disable the plugin for a few minutes and bring it back online the latency 
will be in the 1000ms range again and won't recover
Just had to take the server down for 30mins-1hr again and it resumed itself 
with normal pings.

I have it up now, going see how it goes tomorrow morning but it looks to be 
very good.

Thank you very much DontWannaName and Kyle for your help!
It's much appreciated!

Chris

-Original Message-
From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com 
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Kyle Sanderson
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:22 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 Server being DDoS/Exploited

ServerSecure2 is causing that, which is why I fixed QueryCache.

Cheers,
Kyle.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Chris  wrote:
> Thankyou for that Kyle,
> It helps a bit by making the server respond but with ~1300ms response time.
>
> You can see when i loaded the extension in my hlsw.
>
> http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/928/hlswm.jpg
>
> Anyone have any other ideas or am i dead in the water?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Kyle Sanderson  wrote:
>>
>> Dr!fter has compiled the extension for you. Hopefully it works!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kyle.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Chris  wrote:
>> > I grabbed the one from the root of that thread since that one you 
>> > linked wasn't compiled for windows... i see that was recently 
>> > updated opposed to the one on page 1.
>> >
>> > I requested to see if he can compile it for windows for me...
>> >
>> > Will wait and see...
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:41 PM, DontWannaName! 
>> > 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Did you restart the server and use the version I linked to?
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone 4
>> >> On Jan 5, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Chris  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ohh actually i'm getting this with the querycache extension.
>> >>
>> >> [03]  file "querycache.ext.dll": The specified module 
>> >> could not be found.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Chris  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Just tried it, makes the server bounce online for 1-2seconds with 
>> >>> a ping of 300 then goes to 1300 then goes down for about 
>> >>> 10seconds, does a loop.
>> >>>
>> >>> I tried DFENS which is a little more successful at bringing it 
>> >>> up, but still goes down just as often.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:36 PM, DontWannaName!
>> >>> 
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If that doesn't work you could try this one:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> https://forums.alliedmods.net/showpost.php?p=1384993&postcount=4
>> >>>> 2
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Chris  wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> My server is under attack from a DDoS/Exploit.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The server is still online and responds to simple pings no 
>> >>>>> problem, but any traffic going to port 27015 is shut down.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I’ve been doing research and came across a plugin called 
>> >>>>> “ServerSecure2” (URL:
>> >>>>> https://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=135679
>> >>>>> )
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Which has semi-fixed the exploit I’m being hit with.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The server responds instantly for all rcon requests, no time 
>> >>>>> outs in that department once I have that plugin running.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> But users can still not connect to the server, use HLSW to get 
>> >>>>> it’s status (shows server is timing out)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Anyone have any ideas/suggestions on

Re: [hlds] TF2 Server being DDoS/Exploited

[Chris]

Thankyou for that Kyle,
It helps a bit by making the server respond but with ~1300ms response time.

You can see when i loaded the extension in my hlsw.

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/928/hlswm.jpg

Anyone have any other ideas or am i dead in the water?




On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Kyle Sanderson  wrote:

> Dr!fter has compiled the extension for you. Hopefully it works!
>
> Cheers,
> Kyle.
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Chris  wrote:
> > I grabbed the one from the root of that thread since that one you linked
> > wasn't compiled for windows... i see that was recently updated opposed to
> > the one on page 1.
> >
> > I requested to see if he can compile it for windows for me...
> >
> > Will wait and see...
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:41 PM, DontWannaName! 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Did you restart the server and use the version I linked to?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone 4
> >> On Jan 5, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Chris  wrote:
> >>
> >> Ohh actually i'm getting this with the querycache extension.
> >>
> >> [03]  file "querycache.ext.dll": The specified module could not
> be
> >> found.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Chris  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Just tried it, makes the server bounce online for 1-2seconds with a
> ping
> >>> of 300 then goes to 1300 then goes down for about 10seconds, does a
> loop.
> >>>
> >>> I tried DFENS which is a little more successful at bringing it up, but
> >>> still goes down just as often.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:36 PM, DontWannaName!  >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> If that doesn't work you could try this one:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://forums.alliedmods.net/showpost.php?p=1384993&postcount=42
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Chris  wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My server is under attack from a DDoS/Exploit.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The server is still online and responds to simple pings no problem,
> but
> >>>>> any traffic going to port 27015 is shut down.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I’ve been doing research and came across a plugin called
> >>>>> “ServerSecure2” (URL:
> https://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=135679
> >>>>> )
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Which has semi-fixed the exploit I’m being hit with.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The server responds instantly for all rcon requests, no time outs in
> >>>>> that department once I have that plugin running.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But users can still not connect to the server, use HLSW to get it’s
> >>>>> status (shows server is timing out)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anyone have any ideas/suggestions on resolving this?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Note: It’s a windows rented server and I don’t have remote access to
> >>>>> it, just FTP / Web Control Panel.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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Re: [hlds] TF2 Server being DDoS/Exploited

[Chris]

I grabbed the one from the root of that thread since that one you linked
wasn't compiled for windows... i see that was recently updated opposed to
the one on page 1.

I requested to see if he can compile it for windows for me...

Will wait and see...

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:41 PM, DontWannaName! wrote:

>  Did you restart the server and use the version I linked to?
>
> Sent from my iPhone 4
>
> On Jan 5, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Chris  wrote:
>
>   Ohh actually i'm getting this with the querycache extension.
>
> [03]  file "querycache.ext.dll": The specified module could not be
> found.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Chris  wrote:
>
>> Just tried it, makes the server bounce online for 1-2seconds with a ping
>> of 300 then goes to 1300 then goes down for about 10seconds, does a loop.
>>
>> I tried DFENS which is a little more successful at bringing it up, but
>> still goes down just as often.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:36 PM, DontWannaName! wrote:
>>
>>> If that doesn't work you could try this one:
>>>
>>> https://forums.alliedmods.net/showpost.php?p=1384993&postcount=42
>>>
>>>   On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Chris  wrote:
>>>
>>>>   My server is under attack from a DDoS/Exploit.
>>>>
>>>> The server is still online and responds to simple pings no problem, but
>>>> any traffic going to port 27015 is shut down.
>>>>
>>>> I’ve been doing research and came across a plugin called “ServerSecure2”
>>>> (URL: https://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=135679 )
>>>>
>>>> Which has semi-fixed the exploit I’m being hit with.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The server responds instantly for all rcon requests, no time outs in
>>>> that department once I have that plugin running.
>>>>
>>>> But users can still not connect to the server, use HLSW to get it’s
>>>> status (shows server is timing out)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyone have any ideas/suggestions on resolving this?
>>>>
>>>> Note: It’s a windows rented server and I don’t have remote access to it,
>>>> just FTP / Web Control Panel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
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Re: [hlds] TF2 Server being DDoS/Exploited

[Chris]

Ohh actually i'm getting this with the querycache extension.

[03]  file "querycache.ext.dll": The specified module could not be
found.




On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Chris  wrote:

> Just tried it, makes the server bounce online for 1-2seconds with a ping of
> 300 then goes to 1300 then goes down for about 10seconds, does a loop.
>
> I tried DFENS which is a little more successful at bringing it up, but
> still goes down just as often.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:36 PM, DontWannaName! wrote:
>
>> If that doesn't work you could try this one:
>>
>> https://forums.alliedmods.net/showpost.php?p=1384993&postcount=42
>>
>>   On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Chris  wrote:
>>
>>>   My server is under attack from a DDoS/Exploit.
>>>
>>> The server is still online and responds to simple pings no problem, but
>>> any traffic going to port 27015 is shut down.
>>>
>>> I’ve been doing research and came across a plugin called “ServerSecure2”
>>> (URL: https://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=135679 )
>>>
>>> Which has semi-fixed the exploit I’m being hit with.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The server responds instantly for all rcon requests, no time outs in that
>>> department once I have that plugin running.
>>>
>>> But users can still not connect to the server, use HLSW to get it’s
>>> status (shows server is timing out)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone have any ideas/suggestions on resolving this?
>>>
>>> Note: It’s a windows rented server and I don’t have remote access to it,
>>> just FTP / Web Control Panel.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Chris
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Re: [hlds] TF2 Server being DDoS/Exploited

[Chris]

Just tried it, makes the server bounce online for 1-2seconds with a ping of
300 then goes to 1300 then goes down for about 10seconds, does a loop.

I tried DFENS which is a little more successful at bringing it up, but still
goes down just as often.



On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:36 PM, DontWannaName! wrote:

> If that doesn't work you could try this one:
>
> https://forums.alliedmods.net/showpost.php?p=1384993&postcount=42
>
>   On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Chris  wrote:
>
>>   My server is under attack from a DDoS/Exploit.
>>
>> The server is still online and responds to simple pings no problem, but
>> any traffic going to port 27015 is shut down.
>>
>> I’ve been doing research and came across a plugin called “ServerSecure2”
>> (URL: https://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=135679 )
>>
>> Which has semi-fixed the exploit I’m being hit with.
>>
>>
>>
>> The server responds instantly for all rcon requests, no time outs in that
>> department once I have that plugin running.
>>
>> But users can still not connect to the server, use HLSW to get it’s status
>> (shows server is timing out)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone have any ideas/suggestions on resolving this?
>>
>> Note: It’s a windows rented server and I don’t have remote access to it,
>> just FTP / Web Control Panel.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Chris
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[hlds] TF2 Server being DDoS/Exploited

[Chris]

My server is under attack from a DDoS/Exploit.

The server is still online and responds to simple pings no problem, but any
traffic going to port 27015 is shut down.

I’ve been doing research and came across a plugin called “ServerSecure2”
(URL: https://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=135679 )

Which has semi-fixed the exploit I’m being hit with.



The server responds instantly for all rcon requests, no time outs in that
department once I have that plugin running.

But users can still not connect to the server, use HLSW to get it’s status
(shows server is timing out)





Anyone have any ideas/suggestions on resolving this?

Note: It’s a windows rented server and I don’t have remote access to it,
just FTP / Web Control Panel.



Thanks,

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Re: [hlds] thread

[Chris Beesley]

Conversation automatically merged. Sorry fella, my client is smarter than
you.

On 26 October 2010 19:37, Allan Button  wrote:

> PIP PIP. Changed the subject to break threading.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:
> hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of teenPSPjunkie
> Sent: October-26-10 2:21 PM
> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
> Subject: Re: [hlds] (no subject)
>
> Coming from someone who has used GMail for almost 4 years now I was unaware
> people still used unthreaded email, even my freaken iphone threads emails
> now.
>
>
> Not set from my freaken iPhone 4
>
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 1:59 PM, DarthNinja  >wrote:
>
> > I pity people with shitty email clients that can't/don't thread email
> > conversations.
> >
> > Use Gmail: *Like a Boss*
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Radical Subjectivist <
> > lambda1_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > QFT.
> > >
> > > > From: teenpspjun...@gmail.com
> > > > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 13:16:37 -0400
> > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] (no subject)
> > > >
> > > > Its perfectly reasonable to ask just like its perfectly reasonable to
> > > > decline your request and not freak out about the extra 20 mildly
> > amusing
> > > > emails in my inbox.
> > > >
> > > > PS - PIP PIP I SURE AM DAPPER CHAPS
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my freaken iPhone 4
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 3:22 PM, A Lamer 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > As the other guy said, I won't receive non-valve update
> > announcements.
> > > I
> > > > > don't think it's unreasonable to ask people to behave like adults
> and
> > > keep
> > > > > the chatter to what is relevant to the mailing list instead of
> > spamming
> > > PIP
> > > > > PIP I SURE AM DAPPER CHAPS bullshit and then hand waving it away
> with
> > > "lol
> > > > > internet" like a troglodyte.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's the last I'll say about it, sorry for adding another
> > unnecessary
> > > > > email to your inboxes everyone.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 11:22:22 -0400
> > > > > > From: m1010...@gmail.com
> > > > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] (no subject)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Then sign up for hlds_announce
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 03:54, A Lamer <
> colonel_la...@hotmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here I was thinking signing up for this mailing list would mean
> > > > > receiving
> > > > > > > server update related news and not morons spamming stupid shit.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 03:10:32 -0400
> > > > > > > > From: darthni...@darthninja.com
> > > > > > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] (no subject)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm a bit peckish for a spot of tea and a scone, but I fear I
> > may
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > left
> > > > > > > > my brolly on the lift!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 3:06 AM, Radical Subjectivist <
> > > > > > > > lambda1_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > spot of tea anyone?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 02:49:15 -0400
> > > > > > > > > > From: darthni...@darthninja.com
> > > > > > > > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] (no subject)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Verily!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Radical Subjectivist <
> > > > > > > > > > lambda1_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I concur
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 19:08:13 -0400
> > > > > > > > > > > > From: d...@precdata.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] (no subject)
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I agree totally!!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > danto12  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Re: [hlds] TF2 Engineer building exploit

[Chris Beesley]

Quoted from Facepunch, if and when they snip the exploit in an attempt to
stop Valve noticing (ha).

"1. Taunt and pickup an engineer building
2. Make sure to have "Respawn after loadout changes" enabled (multiplayer >
advanced)
3. Switch your loadout inside your respawn (you should respawn after doing
so)
4. Depending on what building you glitched, type:
Build 0 0 > dispensers / Build 1 0 > entrance / Build 1 1 > exit / Build 2 0
> sentry
5. If done correctly you should be able to build endlessly"

On 17 October 2010 19:25, Thomas  wrote:

>  I can confirm too that it's working. I had everyone on my server try
> reproduce the exploit after the plugin was put on. No one was able to.
>
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Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Counter-Strike: Source/Day of Defeat: Source/Half-Life 2: Deathmatch Updates Available

[Chris]

Same here, servers not starting on windows... (DODS/TF2)

On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:46 PM, steve grout  wrote:

>  hmm after the update im getting...
>
> Launcher Error.
>
> Failed to load the launcher DLL. The specified module could not be found
>
>
>
> will try and run the update again
>
>
>
> On 30/09/2010 19:27, Jason Ruymen wrote:
>
>> Required updates for TF2, CSS, DODS and HL2:DM are now available.  The
>> specific changes are:
>>
>> TF2
>> ---
>> Added the Mann-conomy.
>>  - Added 65 new items (hats, weapons, tools, minigames, gifts, crates).
>>  - Added the Mann Co. Store&  Catalog.
>>  - Added Trading.
>>  - Added Item customization.
>>
>> Additional TF2 features:
>>  - Added new auto-team-scramble system:
>>Set mp_scrambleteams_auto to 1 (default) to automatically scramble
>> the teams if the criteria is met
>>Set mp_scrambleteams_auto_windifference to set the number of round
>> wins a team must lead by in order to trigger an auto scramble (default is 2)
>>  - Updated how Spy disguise targets are selected to more randomly
>> distribute the selections
>>  - Fixed the FreezePanel background not using the correct color if you
>> were killed by a player or building on your own team
>>  - Server browser tweaks:
>>It will now encourage you to add servers to Favorites or Blacklists
>> after you have a good/bad experience on them.
>>The Server Browser now automatically closes after successfully
>> connecting to a server (opt-out via the Options-Multiplayer->Advanced
>> dialog)
>>
>> Achievement tuning:
>>  - Demoman achievement "The Stickening" changed to 3 from 5.
>>  - Heavy achievement "Krazy Ivan" changed to 50 from 100.
>>  - Medic achievement "Consultation" changed to 3 from 5.
>>  - Medic achievement "Peer Review" changed to 10 from 50.
>>  - Medic achievement "Placebo Effect" changed to 2 from from 5.
>>  - Medic achievement "FYI I am A Medic" changed to 1 from 5.
>>  - Medic achievement "Family Practice" changed to 5 from 10.
>>  - Soldier achievement "Geneva Contravention" changed to 3 from 5.
>>  - Scout achievement "Strike Zone" now counts assists.
>>  - Scout achievements "Fall Classic" and "Foul Territory" are fixed.
>>
>>
>> Engine changes (CS:S, DoD:S, HL2:DM, and TF2)
>> ---
>>  - Added sv_alltalk to the list of convars that are checked for the
>> sv_tags list.
>>  - Fixed a model instance crash.
>>  - Removed engine ConVar "r_ForceRestore".
>>
>>
>> Other Games
>> ---
>> Half-Life 2: Deathmatch
>>  - Updated to run on the Orange Box engine with CS:S, DoD:S, and TF2.
>>
>>
>> Jason
>>
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Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 and Counter-Strike: Source Updates Coming

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> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> On Aug 26, 2010, at 2:42 PM, Jason Ruymen<
> > > > > jas...@valvesoftware.com>
> > > > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Required update for Team Fortress 2 and Counter-Strike:
> > > Source
> > > > > are on
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> way.  Our plan is to have them live in about 45 minutes
> from
> > > now.
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Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 and Counter-Strike: Source Updates Coming

[Chris Pollack]

I'm sure someone would be willing to help them figure it out. :P

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 6:35 PM, 1nsane <1nsane...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Just wait till their emails are filled with thousands of server related
> issues and other unrelated discussions. They will start unsubscribing, if
> they can figure that out.
>
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 6:21 PM, msleeper  >wrote:
>
> > I'm assuming most of you are coming from SPUF and on behalf of the
> > entire list: go back there please.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 18:17 -0400, Marcus Barton wrote:
> > > Major Update day is usually Thursday, I think they're usually announced
> > on
> > > Mondays, though.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Fiskie .  wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm believing it's just a patch since they're updating both games at
> > once.
> > > > Unless they're doing more than a bug fix to TF2 too. I dunno lol.
> > > > Isn't Monday major update day anyway?
> > > >
> > > > //Fiskie
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:09:28 -0400
> > > > > From: aksu...@gmail.com
> > > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 and Counter-Strike: Source
> > Updates
> > > > Coming
> > > > >
> > > > > Well this will be a lackluster update... I'm calling it.
> > > > >
> > > > > *hopes he's wrong*
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 6:02 PM, ics  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Don't get your hopes up. It's just an engine fix for missing
> models
> > on
> > > > both
> > > > > > games on certain occasions. Only reconnecting to server fixes
> that
> > for
> > > > now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -ics
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 27.8.2010 0:58, Radical Subjectivist kirjoitti:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  Pics or its not true.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:55:32 -0400
> > > > > >>> From: cypher...@gmail.com
> > > > > >>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> > > > > >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 and Counter-Strike: Source
> > > > Updates
> > > > > >>> Coming
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Would you like some water to wash it down?
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Marcus Barton<
> > kilro...@gmail.com>
> > > > > >>>  wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> It's not trading, guys. I will eat my hats if it is.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Eric Pan<
> mahzorim...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > > >>>>  wrote:
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>> GIEF TRADING
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 4:47 PM, DontWannaName!<
> > > > ad...@topnotchclan.com
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> It must be trading this time :D
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 4
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> On Aug 26, 2010, at 2:42 PM, Jason Ruymen<
> > > > jas...@valvesoftware.com>
> > > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>

Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 and Counter-Strike: Source Updates Coming

[Chris Pollack]

Neither have I, but I haven't been following this closely.

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Marcus Barton  wrote:

> I've yet to see anything wrong. :u
>
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Chris Pollack 
> wrote:
>
> > The list will be spammed for an hour and then go back to normal.
> >
> > Trolls have short attention spans.
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 6:21 PM, msleeper  > >wrote:
> >
> > > I'm assuming most of you are coming from SPUF and on behalf of the
> > > entire list: go back there please.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 18:17 -0400, Marcus Barton wrote:
> > > > Major Update day is usually Thursday, I think they're usually
> announced
> > > on
> > > > Mondays, though.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Fiskie .  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm believing it's just a patch since they're updating both games
> at
> > > once.
> > > > > Unless they're doing more than a bug fix to TF2 too. I dunno lol.
> > > > > Isn't Monday major update day anyway?
> > > > >
> > > > > //Fiskie
> > > > >
> > > > > > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:09:28 -0400
> > > > > > From: aksu...@gmail.com
> > > > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 and Counter-Strike: Source
> > > Updates
> > > > > Coming
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well this will be a lackluster update... I'm calling it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *hopes he's wrong*
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 6:02 PM, ics  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Don't get your hopes up. It's just an engine fix for missing
> > models
> > > on
> > > > > both
> > > > > > > games on certain occasions. Only reconnecting to server fixes
> > that
> > > for
> > > > > now.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -ics
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 27.8.2010 0:58, Radical Subjectivist kirjoitti:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  Pics or its not true.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:55:32 -0400
> > > > > > >>> From: cypher...@gmail.com
> > > > > > >>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> > > > > > >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 and Counter-Strike:
> Source
> > > > > Updates
> > > > > > >>> Coming
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Would you like some water to wash it down?
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Marcus Barton<
> > > kilro...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > >>>  wrote:
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> It's not trading, guys. I will eat my hats if it is.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Eric Pan<
> > mahzorim...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > > > >>>>  wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> GIEF TRADING
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 4:47 PM, DontWannaName!<
> > > > > ad...@topnotchclan.com
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> It must be trading this time :D
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > &g

Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 and Counter-Strike: Source Updates Coming

[Chris Pollack]

The list will be spammed for an hour and then go back to normal.

Trolls have short attention spans.

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 6:21 PM, msleeper wrote:

> I'm assuming most of you are coming from SPUF and on behalf of the
> entire list: go back there please.
>
>
> On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 18:17 -0400, Marcus Barton wrote:
> > Major Update day is usually Thursday, I think they're usually announced
> on
> > Mondays, though.
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Fiskie .  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I'm believing it's just a patch since they're updating both games at
> once.
> > > Unless they're doing more than a bug fix to TF2 too. I dunno lol.
> > > Isn't Monday major update day anyway?
> > >
> > > //Fiskie
> > >
> > > > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:09:28 -0400
> > > > From: aksu...@gmail.com
> > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 and Counter-Strike: Source
> Updates
> > > Coming
> > > >
> > > > Well this will be a lackluster update... I'm calling it.
> > > >
> > > > *hopes he's wrong*
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 6:02 PM, ics  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Don't get your hopes up. It's just an engine fix for missing models
> on
> > > both
> > > > > games on certain occasions. Only reconnecting to server fixes that
> for
> > > now.
> > > > >
> > > > > -ics
> > > > >
> > > > > 27.8.2010 0:58, Radical Subjectivist kirjoitti:
> > > > >
> > > > >  Pics or its not true.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:55:32 -0400
> > > > >>> From: cypher...@gmail.com
> > > > >>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> > > > >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 and Counter-Strike: Source
> > > Updates
> > > > >>> Coming
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Would you like some water to wash it down?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Marcus Barton<
> kilro...@gmail.com>
> > > > >>>  wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> It's not trading, guys. I will eat my hats if it is.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Eric Pan >
> > > > >>>>  wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> GIEF TRADING
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 4:47 PM, DontWannaName!<
> > > ad...@topnotchclan.com
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> It must be trading this time :D
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 4
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> On Aug 26, 2010, at 2:42 PM, Jason Ruymen<
> > > jas...@valvesoftware.com>
> > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Required update for Team Fortress 2 and Counter-Strike:
> Source
> > > are on
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> the
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> way.  Our plan is to have them live in about 45 minutes from
> now.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Jason
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>

Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 and Counter-Strike: Source Updates Coming

[Chris Pollack]

Oh, you mean those invisible player glitches? Ok.

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Michał Suski  wrote:

> We'll see when it's live.
>
> 2010/8/27 ics 
>
> > Don't get your hopes up. It's just an engine fix for missing models on
> both
> > games on certain occasions. Only reconnecting to server fixes that for
> now.
> >
> > -ics
> >
> > 27.8.2010 0:58, Radical Subjectivist kirjoitti:
> >
> >  Pics or its not true.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:55:32 -0400
> >>> From: cypher...@gmail.com
> >>> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 and Counter-Strike: Source Updates
> >>> Coming
> >>>
> >>> Would you like some water to wash it down?
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Marcus Barton
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> It's not trading, guys. I will eat my hats if it is.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Eric Pan
> >>>>  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> GIEF TRADING
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 4:47 PM, DontWannaName!<
> ad...@topnotchclan.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> It must be trading this time :D
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 4
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Aug 26, 2010, at 2:42 PM, Jason Ruymen
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Required update for Team Fortress 2 and Counter-Strike: Source are
> on
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> way.  Our plan is to have them live in about 45 minutes from now.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jason
> >>>>>>>
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Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 and Counter-Strike: Source Updates Coming

[Chris Pollack]

Would you like some water to wash it down?

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Marcus Barton  wrote:

> It's not trading, guys. I will eat my hats if it is.
>
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Eric Pan  wrote:
>
> > GIEF TRADING
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 4:47 PM, DontWannaName!  > >wrote:
> >
> > > It must be trading this time :D
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone 4
> > >
> > > On Aug 26, 2010, at 2:42 PM, Jason Ruymen 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Required update for Team Fortress 2 and Counter-Strike: Source are on
> > the
> > > way.  Our plan is to have them live in about 45 minutes from now.
> > > >
> > > > Jason
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Re: [hlds] Dumps of Crashes/Hangs on CS:S and TF2 servers, Windows 2003

[Chris]

Seeing exact same error messages and lockups on my win2k tf2 servers

On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Robert Whelan  wrote:

> I saw this start back on the 8/17 CSS update and reported it though no
> comments
> were added.
>
> I mentioned:-
>
> CSS locked up after awhile, hadn't been watching it closely to see what
> happened
> or how long it was up.
>
>  Win2k3 Server
>
> Console froze showing:
>
> workthreadpool.cpp (297) : Assertion Failed:
> CWorkThreadPool::StopWorkThreads:
> Some threads required forcible termination.
>
> Assert( Assertion Failed: CWorkThreadPool::StopWorkThreads: Some threads
> required forcible termination.
>
>  ):.\workthreadpool.cpp:297
>
> Since then I've seen this happen probably a dozen times or so...
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: Andreas Grimm 
> To: Dominik Friedrichs ; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server
> mailing
> list 
> Sent: Sat, August 21, 2010 1:25:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Dumps of Crashes/Hangs on CS:S and TF2 servers, Windows
> 2003
>
> Hi,
>
> I have same issues on my Win2008 64bit system.
> Had two hangs in TF2 and two hangs in CSS today.
>
> Andreas
>
> -Original Message-
> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Dominik
> Friedrichs
> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 7:47 PM
> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
> Subject: [hlds] Dumps of Crashes/Hangs on CS:S and TF2 servers, Windows
> 2003
>
> Today I've gotten three crashes of my CS:S and TF2 servers already, both
> without quitting. The servers just hang, very annoying because they will
> not
> quit and restart automatically via batch file, they simply stay offline
> until I notice the issue...
>
> CS:S (non-beta):
> Found the console in a hung state, saying something about forcible thread
> termination/assertion failed, happened twice today without any apparent
> reason (no player disconnecting or anything)
> Dump: http://forlix.org/_res/host/css_hang.dmp
>
> TF2:
> Found the console simply in a hung state for no apparent reason - it just
> hung in the middle of normal gameplay.
> I attached a debugger and saw that it was running through a pretty small
> piece of code that probably had to do with waiting for another thread, over
> and over again. I did a manual crash dump using DrWatson, but its 64bit so
> I
> cant open it on my home PC.
> Dump: http://forlix.org/_res/host/tf2_deadlock.dmp
>
>
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Beta Dedicated Server Available

[Chris]

I love «downloading the bits» :]

On 06/08/2010 4:58 PM, Jason Ruymen wrote:

The beta for Counter-Strike: Source will be coming back online later today.  
Right now the dedicated  server files are available, so if you would like to 
run a dedicated server please start downloading the bits.  The hldsupdatetool 
game name is 'cssbeta'.  A more detailed announced, along with specific 
changes, will be set live once the client is up.

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Re: [hlds] TF2 Update Anytime?

[Chris Oryschak]

Anyone know the new map bsp names?

-Original Message-
From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of PSI Defense Up
O
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 8:10 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 Update Anytime?

We just got the blog post. It's up today.

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Martin Arcand
wrote:

>
> Might not be this thursday ;)  We weren't shown the moving sentry
stuff :D
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Re: [hlds] Left 4 Dead 2 Update Released

[Chris Brunelle]

This is a server update as well.

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[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of msleeper
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 1:43 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Left 4 Dead 2 Update Released

Client issues do not belong on the server administration mailing list.
Take it to the Steampowered forums.


On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 21:40 +0200, Mark P wrote:
> how do i turn of motion blur without setting shaders to medium
> 
> 2010/6/25 Jonah Hirsch 
> 
> > Weekly mutation update... go get 'em.
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Coming

[Chris]

http://store.steampowered.com/news/3976/

...

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Ronny Schedel wrote:

> No client update? So it's not OB engine.
>
> > Yep, and its out
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Ronny Schedel
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Beta goes live?
> >>
> >>
> >> >A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is on the way.  We're
> >> >hoping
> >> >to have it live in about 30 minutes.
> >> >
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> >> >
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Coming

[Chris]

Yep, and its out

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Ronny Schedel wrote:

>
> Beta goes live?
>
>
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> >to have it live in about 30 minutes.
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Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA

[Chris Brunelle]

Analysts? Really?  You can' be serious.  Retail prices for new games whether
console or pc are the same no matter who the publisher/devloper is.   You
can almost go as far as saying it's price fixing at it's best.  




-Original Message-
From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Alec Sanger
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 1:18 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA


Since you've put no lower bounds on your theory, are you asserting that
valve would make more money by selling their games for $0.05 rather than
$30? You have to realize that there are analysts hired to determine the most
appropriate price point based on current and past trends. I would certainly
trust their judgment over yours. While I would love valve games for as
little money as possible, it's not always in their best interest to reduce
the price.

Why are we even talking about this on the HLDS mailing list?

Thank you,
Alec Sanger



> Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 15:09:09 -0400
> From: gizmokid2...@gmail.com
> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA
> 
> Just to add my quick $0.02 since most people don't understand.
> 
> "And if it does make a sale more likely, does giving the game out for 
> less money help Valve?"
> 
> ABSOLUTELY! Thinking otherwise leads you to the way of Adobe with CS.
> 
> You're going to get more people to buy the game at $35 than you are at 
> $50. You'll easily get enough extra sales to make more money selling 
> more copies than you would by selling it to less people at $50/ea.
> 
> Simple economics, yet most people and business owners don't understand. 
> It's not like Valve has to spend extra money for each extra copy of the 
> game sold...they aren't selling physical copies, it's all digital, and 
> they already have the infrastructure in place to handle the downloads.
> 
> -Michael
> 
> -- Original Message ---
> Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA
> From: Ed Kellett 
> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list 
> 
> Date: 5/14/2010 2:51 PM EST
> > Piracy is not defined by your moral outlook on the situation, the CS:S
beta
> > is copyright Valve and to download it (from their servers or otherwise)
> > without their permission is illegal. Whether or not illegal downloading
> > "hardly hurts Valve" is for Valve to decide, as is who they want to have
> > access to it. The Subscriber Agreement gives them the right to ban
anyone
> > they like from Steam in any case.
> >
> > How can an "increase in anticipation" arise from more people already
having
> > the game anyway? And if it does make a sale more likely, does giving the
> > game out for less money help Valve?
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Max S"
> > To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list"
> > 
> > Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 7:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA
> >
> >
> >
> >> If it were a paid DLC and none of the public had access, then yes, it
> >> would
> >> be piracy. You can only play on Beta servers if you've purchased a
license
> >> of CS:S, thousands have already downloaded the client and posted videos
> >> online, and legitimate copies of the game will be updated next week. No
> >> core
> >> gameplay elements have been changed/added, and an increase in
anticipation
> >> hardly hurts Valve (and increases the probability of a week(end) sale
to
> >> celebrate the update).
> >>
> >> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:06 AM, ics  wrote:
> >>
> >>  
> >>> Well it's like a copy of a game you do not own. Technically piracy,
> >>> since it's unreleased.
> >>>
> >>> -ics
> >>>
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Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA

[Chris Brunelle]

I think this has been proven by the steam weekend sales of various games in
the past. 

-Original Message-
From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Michael Secord
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 1:09 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA

Just to add my quick $0.02 since most people don't understand.

"And if it does make a sale more likely, does giving the game out for 
less money help Valve?"

ABSOLUTELY! Thinking otherwise leads you to the way of Adobe with CS.

You're going to get more people to buy the game at $35 than you are at 
$50. You'll easily get enough extra sales to make more money selling 
more copies than you would by selling it to less people at $50/ea.

Simple economics, yet most people and business owners don't understand. 
It's not like Valve has to spend extra money for each extra copy of the 
game sold...they aren't selling physical copies, it's all digital, and 
they already have the infrastructure in place to handle the downloads.

-Michael

-- Original Message ---
Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA
From: Ed Kellett 
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list 

Date: 5/14/2010 2:51 PM EST
> Piracy is not defined by your moral outlook on the situation, the CS:S
beta
> is copyright Valve and to download it (from their servers or otherwise)
> without their permission is illegal. Whether or not illegal downloading
> "hardly hurts Valve" is for Valve to decide, as is who they want to have
> access to it. The Subscriber Agreement gives them the right to ban anyone
> they like from Steam in any case.
>
> How can an "increase in anticipation" arise from more people already
having
> the game anyway? And if it does make a sale more likely, does giving the
> game out for less money help Valve?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Max S"
> To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list"
> 
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 7:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA
>
>
>
>> If it were a paid DLC and none of the public had access, then yes, it
>> would
>> be piracy. You can only play on Beta servers if you've purchased a
license
>> of CS:S, thousands have already downloaded the client and posted videos
>> online, and legitimate copies of the game will be updated next week. No
>> core
>> gameplay elements have been changed/added, and an increase in
anticipation
>> hardly hurts Valve (and increases the probability of a week(end) sale to
>> celebrate the update).
>>
>> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:06 AM, ics  wrote:
>>
>>  
>>> Well it's like a copy of a game you do not own. Technically piracy,
>>> since it's unreleased.
>>>
>>> -ics
>>>
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Re: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA

[Chris Brunelle]

Anyone get a server to launch?  I'm on windows and when I try to launch one,
it does nothing.

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From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Eric Smith
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:11 PM
To: 'hlds@list.valvesoftware.com'; 'hlds_li...@list.valvesoftware.com';
'hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com'
Subject: [hlds] COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE BETA

COUNTER-STRIKE: SOURCE UPDATE NOW IN BETA

Available immediately, Valve has launched an extensive update to
Counter-Strike: Source, now in beta.

The update includes a host of new features and functionality developed in
collaboration with Hidden Path Studios. These include 144 new achievements,
a new domination and revenge system, player stats, and more.

This beta will run for a limited time, and once complete, the update will be
deployed to all Counter-Strike: Source owners for free via Steam.

The dedicated server files are available via the HLDSUpdateTool using "-game
cssbeta" in the command line.

For more information, please visit
www.steamgames.com.

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[hlds] How does one debug server crashes (mdmp files)

[Chris Oryschak]

I'm having problems where my server seems to want to crash at least once
a day and it's creating the mdmp files.  

So I'm wondering if/how I can go about analyzing these files to figure
out whats going wrong or is there a better way to get this done?

I have the .mdmp files zipped up here:
http://www.railbait.net/mdmp.zip

Thanks,
Chris



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Re: [hlds] Mani site down / DNS problem

[Chris Brunelle]

Stats would prove otherwise.  Doing a quick check on game-monitor.com shows
MAP being used on almost twice the amount of servers compared to SM.


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[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of msleeper
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:47 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Mani site down / DNS problem

And SourceMod has been out for how long? And has done all of that and
more from the beginning, right?

2003 called and wants it's server administration software back. Stick
with SM, nobody worth their salt uses Mani.


On Mon, 2010-02-22 at 22:43 -0500, Keeper wrote:
> It's been for a while.  The next version ( 2.0 ) we are working on is
going
> to be more modular, and will be game based instead of one plugin fits all.
> It will work for L4D2 down to HL2MP.
> 
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> From: Matthew Gottlieb [mailto:matthew.j.gottl...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 7:07 PM
> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Mani site down / DNS problem
> 
> Since when is Mani Open Source?  My main issues with Mani has always
> been that it was closed source and was rarely updated.
> 
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Re: [hlds] Clients timing out

[Chris Oryschak]

It's happening to me right now while I idle on my server testing some
stuff. Sometimes it happens in less than a minute after I connect to the
server.

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[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Matt Lyons
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 8:11 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Clients timing out

I've seen this happen on some of our servers today to players though
have not experienced it 1st hand yet.

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Re: [hlds] TF2 Long Map Change

[Chris Oryschak]

It varies, I'm running stock configs, with no sourcemod installed
(renamed addons dir) and fastest I've gotten was 13seconds and longest
is about 2mins.  It's extremely noticeable when going from a good
working server to mine.  Even the 13seconds until you start to see the
map loading on the client seems forever.

The guy said he is going to do a defrag on the hard drive... highly
doubt that will do anything but I'll wait and see.. and then probably
price out a server somewhere else I'm thinking now.

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[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 9:42 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 Long Map Change

That's kind of an unacceptable response with how much you pay for AoW
servers.

How long are the mapchanges?

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Chris Oryschak 
wrote:

> Yeah I google searched and came across that what you describe.
> I don't load any banned ip's from a cfg so this won't be the issue, I
> use sourcemod to manage my bans which, at the moment is empty.
>
> I put a support call in and got a response back saying that it's a
"bug
> on the server unfortunately" huff.
>
>
> -Python
>
> -Original Message-
> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
> Armstrong
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 4:59 PM
> To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 Long Map Change
>
> We've experienced this with other source based games when we listed
> 'exec
> banned.cfg' in our server config file, when the banned.cfg contained
> hundreds of ban entries.
>
> Remove this command from your server.cfg if its present, just execute
it
> once on the command line.
>
> Regards,
> Andrew
>
> -Original Message-
> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Oryschak
> Sent: Monday, 15 February 2010 8:34 AM
> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
> Subject: [hlds] TF2 Long Map Change
>
> Anyone ever have problems with their TF2 server + on map change it
takes
> a long time.
> I'm running the server off a rented box so my access is limited but
when
> I look at the server logs here is what I find:
>
>
>
> L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "tv_relaypassword" = ""
> L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "tv_password" = ""
> L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "deathmatch" = "1"
> L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "coop" = "0"
> L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "sv_cheats" = "0"
> L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "sv_pausable" = "0"
> L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "sv_contact" = ""
> L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "sv_voiceenable" = "1"
> L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "tv_enable" = "0"
> L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: server cvars end
>
> L 02/14/2010 - 13:25:38: Started map "cp_dustbowl" (CRC "1303353615")
> L 02/14/2010 - 13:25:45: server_cvar: "tf_gamemode_payload" "0"
> L 02/14/2010 - 13:25:45: server_cvar: "sv_tags"
> "Vanilla,hlstatsx,increased_maxplayers"
> L 02/14/2010 - 13:25:45: server_cvar: "sv_tags"
> "Vanilla,hlstatsx,increased_maxplayers"
> L 02/14/2010 - 13:25:45: server_cvar: "tf_gamemode_cp" "1"
>
>
> Note the times from when "server cvars end" and "started map" begins.
> It was almost 1:33 delay for this map change.  Anyone have any ideas
on
> what could be causing this?
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
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Re: [hlds] TF2 Long Map Change

[Chris Oryschak]

Yeah I google searched and came across that what you describe.  
I don't load any banned ip's from a cfg so this won't be the issue, I
use sourcemod to manage my bans which, at the moment is empty.

I put a support call in and got a response back saying that it's a "bug
on the server unfortunately" huff.


-Python

-Original Message-
From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
Armstrong
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 4:59 PM
To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'
Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 Long Map Change

We've experienced this with other source based games when we listed
'exec
banned.cfg' in our server config file, when the banned.cfg contained
hundreds of ban entries.

Remove this command from your server.cfg if its present, just execute it
once on the command line.

Regards,
Andrew

-Original Message-
From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Chris Oryschak
Sent: Monday, 15 February 2010 8:34 AM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: [hlds] TF2 Long Map Change

Anyone ever have problems with their TF2 server + on map change it takes
a long time.
I'm running the server off a rented box so my access is limited but when
I look at the server logs here is what I find:



L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "tv_relaypassword" = ""
L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "tv_password" = ""
L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "deathmatch" = "1"
L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "coop" = "0"
L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "sv_cheats" = "0"
L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "sv_pausable" = "0"
L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "sv_contact" = ""
L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "sv_voiceenable" = "1"
L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "tv_enable" = "0"
L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: server cvars end

L 02/14/2010 - 13:25:38: Started map "cp_dustbowl" (CRC "1303353615")
L 02/14/2010 - 13:25:45: server_cvar: "tf_gamemode_payload" "0"
L 02/14/2010 - 13:25:45: server_cvar: "sv_tags"
"Vanilla,hlstatsx,increased_maxplayers"
L 02/14/2010 - 13:25:45: server_cvar: "sv_tags"
"Vanilla,hlstatsx,increased_maxplayers"
L 02/14/2010 - 13:25:45: server_cvar: "tf_gamemode_cp" "1"


Note the times from when "server cvars end" and "started map" begins.
It was almost 1:33 delay for this map change.  Anyone have any ideas on
what could be causing this?

Thanks,
Chris

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Re: [hlds] TF2 Long Map Change

[Chris Oryschak]

I'm with art of war central, I have tried disabling all plugins, doing a
fresh install and it still seems to arise.

-Original Message-
From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 4:40 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 Long Map Change

What provider? Likely they either are overselling or limiting disk i/o
or
ram usage per process which is causing maploads to take a while. I would
get
in touch with the provider. Also you could try disabling all plugins and
test clean but its more likely its a disk or ram issue.

On Feb 14, 2010 3:35 PM, "Chris Oryschak"  wrote:

Anyone ever have problems with their TF2 server + on map change it takes
a long time.
I'm running the server off a rented box so my access is limited but when
I look at the server logs here is what I find:



L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "tv_relaypassword" = ""
L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "tv_password" = ""
L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "deathmatch" = "1"
L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "coop" = "0"
L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "sv_cheats" = "0"
L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "sv_pausable" = "0"
L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "sv_contact" = ""
L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "sv_voiceenable" = "1"
L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "tv_enable" = "0"
L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: server cvars end

L 02/14/2010 - 13:25:38: Started map "cp_dustbowl" (CRC "1303353615")
L 02/14/2010 - 13:25:45: server_cvar: "tf_gamemode_payload" "0"
L 02/14/2010 - 13:25:45: server_cvar: "sv_tags"
"Vanilla,hlstatsx,increased_maxplayers"
L 02/14/2010 - 13:25:45: server_cvar: "sv_tags"
"Vanilla,hlstatsx,increased_maxplayers"
L 02/14/2010 - 13:25:45: server_cvar: "tf_gamemode_cp" "1"


Note the times from when "server cvars end" and "started map" begins.
It was almost 1:33 delay for this map change.  Anyone have any ideas on
what could be causing this?

Thanks,
Chris

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[hlds] TF2 Long Map Change

[Chris Oryschak]

Anyone ever have problems with their TF2 server + on map change it takes
a long time.
I'm running the server off a rented box so my access is limited but when
I look at the server logs here is what I find:



L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "tv_relaypassword" = ""
L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "tv_password" = ""
L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "deathmatch" = "1"
L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "coop" = "0"
L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "sv_cheats" = "0"
L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "sv_pausable" = "0"
L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "sv_contact" = ""
L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "sv_voiceenable" = "1"
L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: "tv_enable" = "0"
L 02/14/2010 - 13:24:05: server cvars end

L 02/14/2010 - 13:25:38: Started map "cp_dustbowl" (CRC "1303353615")
L 02/14/2010 - 13:25:45: server_cvar: "tf_gamemode_payload" "0"
L 02/14/2010 - 13:25:45: server_cvar: "sv_tags"
"Vanilla,hlstatsx,increased_maxplayers"
L 02/14/2010 - 13:25:45: server_cvar: "sv_tags"
"Vanilla,hlstatsx,increased_maxplayers"
L 02/14/2010 - 13:25:45: server_cvar: "tf_gamemode_cp" "1"


Note the times from when "server cvars end" and "started map" begins.
It was almost 1:33 delay for this map change.  Anyone have any ideas on
what could be causing this?

Thanks,
Chris

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Re: [hlds] Left 4 Dead 2 Update Available

[Chris Brunelle]

Is anyone else experiencing ridiculously slow speed trying to update their
servers?  

-Original Message-
From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Jason Ruymen
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:06 PM
To: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list';
'hlds@list.valvesoftware.com'; 'hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com'
Subject: [hlds] Left 4 Dead 2 Update Available

Required updates for Left 4 Dead 2 are now available.  Please run
hldsupdatetool to receive them.  The specific changes include:

Gameplay:
- Now ghost PZ's can never be staggered
- Enabled PZ bots 
- PZ bots use their more aggressive survival mode behavior in versus and
scavenge
- Enabled finale manual spawn by default
- Fixed human PZ players not getting counted when they were dead, allowing
extra PZ bots to spawn
- Reduced effectiveness of melee weapons against the Tank ( 5% of max
health, from 10% )
- Fixed a case where a player who dies, then is rescued from a rescue
closet, and then is revived from a ledge hang receives the secondary weapon
that he lost when he was initially killed
- Improved SurvivorBot AI in cases where the bots refused to shoot through
their teammates and became non-responsive
- Fixed issue with witch sometimes taking on uncommon common properties
- Fix for cheaters quitting before the vote to kick them would succeed and
avoiding ban on server
- VAC banned users can now play L4D2 single-player, commentary mode and
credits

Map Fixes:
- Dark Carnival Fair Ground: added env_player_blocker to keep special
infected from getting stuck
- Dark Carnival Fair Ground: added navigation area that was missing
- Dark Carnival Fair Ground: Disconnected drops that were blocked by the top
of a fence
- Swamp Fever Plank Country: Deleted 2 nav areas that connected between tree
trunks you can't pass through
- Swamp Fever Shanty Town: Redrew ladder thinner so special infected could
climb up to the roof
- The Parish Waterfront: Fixed various navigation areas
- Mall: Tuned spawning for difficulty

SDK Content:
- Added missing nature/blend tooltextures added
- Added missing cs models/textures
- Added missing acunit01 model/texture
- Added missing ammo_can_02 model/texture
- Added missing patio_chair model/texture

Jason


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Re: [hlds] TF2 srcds infinite loops.

[Chris]

I have been experiencing this for a long long time. Similar to voogru it has
been occuring 2-3 times per week. Occurs on both DODS and TF2 - so I assume
this is an OB issue. I'm on windows too. Logs show it happening immediately
after map change, while everyone is joining the game.

Voogru, I'd be interested in the script you are using? Serverchecker doesn't
seem to restart the servers when in this situation.

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Tony Paloma wrote:

> None of my servers have hit an infinite loop since the war update. If it's
> only a long temporary freeze you guys are getting then I'm not sure. I
> haven't seen any temporary freezes, but I don't monitor 24/7.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Matt Stanton
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:59 AM
> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
> Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 srcds infinite loops.
>
> We've been having this issue on all four of our TF2 servers.  We haven't
> really figured out what causes it.  Our first thought was that it is
> related to the ctf_doublecross map, so we pulled it from our rotation on
> the one server that used it.  The problem started to manifest in other
> servers that weren't running doublecross, though.  At this point, we are
> blaming it on the Equipment Manager sourcemod plugin.  Since removing
> that plugin from our servers, they haven't been freezing.  We haven't
> added doublecross back to the server it was being used on, yet, but I'm
> really hoping that it's not the cause, since that map is extremely fun
> to play.
>
> Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote:
> > I kind of noticed that, I have a script that restarts my server if it
> does
> > not respond to a query for roughly a minute. One time last night during a
> > map change it did nearly get to restarting it (timed out 8 times,
> restarts
> > when it times out 10 times) before coming back to life.
> >
> > I remember looking at my HLSW at one point and saw 1 red mark (map
> change)
> > then a short time later seeing a large red block and it eventually coming
> > back. I thought it crashed but when I did status the userids were too
> high
> > for it just restarting.
> >
> > I checked my logs and sure enough it timed out for about 40-45 seconds or
> so
> > shortly after the map change.
> >
> > I run srcds as a limited user and I'm wondering if that might have
> anything
> > to do with it.
> >
> > - voogru.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Steven J.
> > Sumichrast
> > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:22 AM
> > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 srcds infinite loops.
> >
> > While I am running on Linux I've noticed the same thing. I've unloaded
> > all plugins and still noticed that when a mapchange occurs it hangs at
> > 100% for a long time. If I leave it alone it eventually will respond.
> > However it's not quick enough and it always kills my server (in terms
> > of players). It just recently started doing it. Combatted it by trying
> > to not have the map change anymore.
> >
> > I had thought it was from the server flushing the logfile after being
> > on a single map all day, but I disabled file logging and that didn't
> > make a difference.
> >
> > Steven J. Sumichrast
> >
> > On Jan 14, 2010, at 7:08 AM, "Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald"
>  >
> >  > wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Has anyone been experiencing an issue where their server will
> >> experience an
> >> infinite loop, since the patch yesterday these just got kicked into
> >> high
> >> gear, I used to get them maybe 2-3 times a week and I just now got
> >> them
> >> twice in 12 hours.
> >>
> >> The symptoms are very simple, the server changes map, is on the
> >> changed map
> >> for about 1-2 minutes, and then there is an infinite loop. CPU
> >> spikes to
> >> 100%, etc etc, the only reason why my server even restarts is
> >> because of an
> >> external process that ensures the server is alive without that my
> >> server
> >> would be down until I manually restart it.
> >>
> >> I have tried to rule out any plug-ins that may be causing them by
> >> unloading
> >> my plug-ins before the map changes with no dice.
> >>
> >> Server is Windows.
> >>
> >> - voogru.
> >>
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Re: [hlds] Unattended server installation - possible?

[Chris Holman]

Exactly.

That is the installer.

If you zip up the contents of what it installs and host the few MB 
somewhere, you can run free with your scripts, unhindered by the 
primitive GUI. I just zipped my copy of it up - 2.5MB. Easier done than 
said.

=)

On 26/12/2009 2:49 PM, Peter Powell wrote:
> Looks like a GUI tool to me ->
> http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/2032/hldsupdatetoolinstaller.png
>
> -Peter Powell
>
> -xL-Trinidad wrote:
>
>> no, the tool is a console tool. you just have to run it with some parameters 
>> and thats it. never seen a gui installation tool on windows so far.
>>- Original Message -
>>From: Peter Powell
>>To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
>>Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 7:19 PM
>>Subject: Re: [hlds] Unattended server installation - possible?
>>
>>
>>My issue is not that I can not run the tool - the problem is that the
>>tool which exists on Valve's server is a _GUI_ installer and I can't
>>seem to find a way to preconfigure it to run automatically without a
>>user running through the installation wizard.
>>
>>I have tried using Google but I found nothing which would solve my 
>> problem.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>-Peter Powell
>>
>>Chris Holman wrote:
>>>  HLDSupdatetool.exe is still a command line thing and can be copied
>>>  around as needed.
>>>
>>>  Just the package Valve distributes it in is an installer. Once 
>> installed
>>>  it's the same as the linux version (essentially).
>>>
>>>  On 26/12/2009 12:56 AM, Shane Arnold wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Sorry I just realised it would be more difficult on Windows (being a 
>> GUI
>>>>  installer). My apologies.
>>>>
>>>>  On 25/12/2009 9:48 PM, Shane Arnold wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  Installation from hldsupdatetool/steam is usually just one 
>> command... so
>>>>>  yes?
>>>>>
>>>>>  Learning to create scripts in Linux and Windows is suprisingly easy.
>>>>>  Google is your friend.
>>>>>
>>>>>  On 25/12/2009 9:29 PM, Peter Powell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Is there any way to run the server installer in "unattended" mode? I
>>>>>>  wish to create a script to automatically fetch the server installer 
>> from
>>>>>>  Valve's servers and automatically install it with the options 
>> (location,
>>>>>>  etc) preset.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  -Peter Powell
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Re: [hlds] Unattended server installation - possible?

[Chris Holman]

Download and install the tool as you normally would. Zip up or otherwise 
the contents of the folder. Optionally upload to your own website so you 
can download it to a new box whenever you like. Then whenever you need 
it, you only have to unzip it which can be done via command line.

It should be noted that you can have hldsupdatetool.exe in one location 
and do as folllowing:
c:\hldsupdatetool.exe -command update -game tf -dir c:\users\srv200\
c:\hldsupdatetool.exe -command update -game tf -dir c:\users\srv100\
etc etc
If you're trying to do this on the one physical server, you only need 
one installation anyway.

(By the sounds of it you're using this script to set up game server 
installs on new servers, not multiple game server installations on the 
one server?)

On 26/12/2009 5:19 AM, Peter Powell wrote:
> My issue is not that I can not run the tool - the problem is that the
> tool which exists on Valve's server is a _GUI_ installer and I can't
> seem to find a way to preconfigure it to run automatically without a
> user running through the installation wizard.
>
> I have tried using Google but I found nothing which would solve my problem.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Peter Powell
>
> Chris Holman wrote:
>
>> HLDSupdatetool.exe is still a command line thing and can be copied
>> around as needed.
>>
>> Just the package Valve distributes it in is an installer. Once installed
>> it's the same as the linux version (essentially).
>>
>> On 26/12/2009 12:56 AM, Shane Arnold wrote:
>>
>>  
>>> Sorry I just realised it would be more difficult on Windows (being a GUI
>>> installer). My apologies.
>>>
>>> On 25/12/2009 9:48 PM, Shane Arnold wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Installation from hldsupdatetool/steam is usually just one command... so
>>>> yes?
>>>>
>>>> Learning to create scripts in Linux and Windows is suprisingly easy.
>>>> Google is your friend.
>>>>
>>>> On 25/12/2009 9:29 PM, Peter Powell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there any way to run the server installer in "unattended" mode? I
>>>>> wish to create a script to automatically fetch the server installer from
>>>>> Valve's servers and automatically install it with the options (location,
>>>>> etc) preset.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> -Peter Powell
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: [hlds] Unattended server installation - possible?

[Chris Holman]

HLDSupdatetool.exe is still a command line thing and can be copied 
around as needed.

Just the package Valve distributes it in is an installer. Once installed 
it's the same as the linux version (essentially).

On 26/12/2009 12:56 AM, Shane Arnold wrote:
> Sorry I just realised it would be more difficult on Windows (being a GUI
> installer). My apologies.
>
> On 25/12/2009 9:48 PM, Shane Arnold wrote:
>
>> Installation from hldsupdatetool/steam is usually just one command... so
>> yes?
>>
>> Learning to create scripts in Linux and Windows is suprisingly easy.
>> Google is your friend.
>>
>> On 25/12/2009 9:29 PM, Peter Powell wrote:
>>
>>  
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Is there any way to run the server installer in "unattended" mode? I
>>> wish to create a script to automatically fetch the server installer from
>>> Valve's servers and automatically install it with the options (location,
>>> etc) preset.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> -Peter Powell
>>>
>>>
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Re: [hlds] Dear Saxton Hale

[Chris Brooks]

http://store.steampowered.com/stats/content/ 164572 Mbit/s is a bit faster
than a hub xD

2009/12/18 Hutch 

> Dear Valve and Saxton Hale,
>
> Where do I send money to donate to upgrade your DSL modem that I
> along with 50,000 other community owners are having to download your
> server updates from. It is slower than dialup... At least update your
> Linksys firmware on your 10/100 router ( that we know is a hub and
> not a switch). May be a QOS update that may speed things along a tad more.
>
> Also, please go ahead and send the patch for this update that we know
> will come out in a few hrs from now.
>
> Love
> Hutch
>
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Re: [hlds] Left 4 Dead 2 Update Available

[Chris Holman]

And that's not to mention file/folder permissions, shadow copies, (Both 
things are quite desirable, and quite lacking in FAT32. ) among other 
things.

On 5/12/2009 3:25 PM, Ook wrote:
> I might have to recant that last claim. I vaguely recall about 9 years or so
> ago when c# was real new that I tried to do something that wouldn't work
> because I was hosting some files on a fat32 partition. And then in 2000/2001
> When Win2000 was fairly new there was some weird disk caching bug that we
> suspected was only fat32, but Microsoft fixed it in a later service pack. So
> maybe there are a few reasons to be using ntfs after all. I'm sure that
> Microsoft wants you to, isn't that good enough of a reason? :)
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ook"
> To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list"
> 
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Left 4 Dead 2 Update Available
>
>
>
>> I've used fat32 and ntfs for many many years, and I have never had
>> anything
>> happen to a fat32 partition that made me wish I was using ntfs. If I had
>> my
>> choice, I'd put everything on ext4 but hell will freeze over before
>> windows
>> will boot from an ext4 partition (AFAIK, anyhow...)
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "msleeper"
>> To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list"
>> 
>> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 6:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Left 4 Dead 2 Update Available
>>
>>
>>  
>>> If you are using a computer that still has a FAT32 partition, you
>>> deserve to have your games crash.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 18:50 -0800, Ook wrote:
>>>
 I'm guessing the crash on startup fix is for the client, not the server?
 My
 server has always run fine on fat32, but there is NTFS WTF VALVE? being
 screamed from one side of steam support to the other over what happened
 to
 the client a week or so ago :)

 - Original Message -
 From: "Jason Ruymen"
 To:; "'Half-Lifededicated Linux server
 mailing
 list'";
 
 Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 6:32 PM
 Subject: [hlds] Left 4 Dead 2 Update Available


  
> A required update for Left 4 Dead 2 is now available.  Please run
> hldsupdatetool to receive the update.  The specific changes include:
>
> - Fixed crash on startup when using FAT32 file system
> - Fixed in-game chat input where the local encoding differs from the
> input
> language's
> - Fixed bug where Survivor Bots would sometimes become unresponsive in
> Scavenge games
> - Updated subtitle localization files for Hungarian, Portuguese,
> Romanian
> and Russian
> - Fixed exploit that allowed players on the Infected team to spawn
> directly next to the Survivors
>
> Jason
>
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Re: [hlds] L4D2 Update?

[Chris Greening]

There was an update about three hours ago now? Something like that - 
pretty small scale though. The primary fix was the survivors getting 
stuck when a charger pounded them.

- Chris


syate...@cfl.rr.com wrote:
> Our servers just needed to be updated.  But we never saw an email 
> announcing it.  Anyone else experiencing this?
>
> We just noticed our servers were empty and ran an update. 
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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[hlds] File download speeds

[Chris Holman]

Hey all,

As I'm sure we're all aware, by default SRCDS puts a speed limit on 
downloads when clients are downloading maps, mods, textures, whatever, 
from the server when they connect. I'm also sure we're all aware that we 
can use a HTTP/FTP redirect to allow fast downloads, but I'm curious if 
there is a way to get faster download speeds without having to set up a 
mirror - ie, can the artificial speed limit srcds imposes be bypassed 
by, say, a cvar or sourcemod plugin?

Thanks
-Chris


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Re: [hlds] Left4dead 2 Dedicated Servers?

[Chris Greening]

If the demo was any indication, you'll most likely have the server files 
around dinner time on Monday (relative to EST's release window).

- Chris


Sean R. wrote:
> When will see these available?

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Re: [hlds] A few suggestions for Valve

[Chris]

http://i37.tinypic.com/29blwgp.png

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 10:58 PM, Ook  wrote:

> In the real world, code freeze does not mean "no changes to the code". It
> means no more features get added, and the only code changes are for bug
> fixes (this really varies from organization to organization, but everywhere
> I've worked during the last 20 years did it that way). The iterative
> testing/fixing cycle continues until they get to the point where they are
> willing to release it with the known bugs. Code freeze never really happens
> because something always comes up that requires a code change. You grab a
> snapshot, you call it a "code freeze" to make management happy, you test
> the
> snot out of it, and if you are happy you release it. If not, you change the
> code and "freeze" it again.
>
> In the Valve world, demo = beta = code freeze so they can do bug fixes. The
> fact that they are making last minute changes doesn't mean they did or did
> not have a code freeze. It simply means there are still bugs that they are
> working on, and the arbitrary deadline of "demo release date" doesn't
> change
> the fact that, hello, we still have a buttload of bugs that we are
> fervently
> fixing. It sucks to be a programmer at Valve right now because you are
> probalby sleeping at your cube - if you are even allowed to sleep.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "admin bob" 
> To: "'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'"
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [hlds] A few suggestions for Valve
>
>
> > Freezing code for a few weeks would probably result in the final game
> > being
> > postponed for a few weeks.  Is that really want you want?  For a demo?
> > Didn't think so.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Neil Voutt
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:07 PM
> > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [hlds] A few suggestions for Valve
> >
> > amen
> >
> > -Neil
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 5:03 PM, TheGeekLord 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Oh Valve, how you tease us with all these sneaky release time changes!
> >>
> >> Maybe learning about the concept of freezing your code a few weeks
> >> before you plan to release the demo content would be a good idea? Then
> >> we wouldn't need to sit through the pain of waiting and having to update
> >> for every single change (I believe the Left 4 Dead 2 demo server content
> >> is on revision 3 and it hasn't even been released yet)!
> >>
> >> I'm sure this would cause a lot less stress for server admins and for
> >> you.
> >>
> >> -TheGeekLord
> >>
> >>
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Re: [hlds] Any new CSS exploits?

[chris schoenmann]

Was there any way to get the steam ID ?



On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Mike Vail wrote:

> I too would love to solve this. A community I play CSS with has been
> suffering from this same problem on 2 of its servers for over a week and
> they really need help. Their tech has some how limitied the affects of the
> attack, but it is still happening. The community is running a dedicated
> Windows Server box with an California ISP who is unwilling to track the
> offender because the community doesn't pay for Managed hosting with them.
> According to a Wireshark trap, the attacker is spoofing multiple IPs. Any
> help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Bobby35ny
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 8:13 AM
> To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Any new CSS exploits?
>
> Some spoofing is going on, I ran wireshark, looks like he is using A2S_INFO
> hack. I know they kind of fixed it with TF2, anyone know how to defeat this
> on CSS?
>
> -bobby
>
> -Original Message-
> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marshall
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 5:21 AM
> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Any new CSS exploits?
>
> You could use a proxy to forward your game data. This in turn would give
> you
> a different ip.
>
> I think this is where he is coming from =)
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:10 PM, w4rezz  wrote:
>
> > You cant use proxy ingame lol
> >
> > 2009/10/20 Bobby35ny 
> >
> > > Started last week. Person comes in the server and boom the server
> > crashes.
> > > No warning no nothing. Guy with the same ip does it all the time.
> > > Prolly
> > a
> > > proxy, changes ip once hes nailed.
> > >
> > > -bobby
> > >
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Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available

[Chris]

Thanks, I'm not alone then. I see this mentioned here recently:
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=987808

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:19 PM, John wrote:

> > Just me, or is hldsupdatetool completely b0rked on windows?
>
> If yours is crashing, it's not just you. Right now, if ClientRegistry.blob
> is missing, hldsupdatetool seems to be creating a new one that is
> corrupted,
> as further runs of hldsupdatetool either silently crash or say
> "CMultiFieldBlob: Unable to grow blob". The problem is easily reproduced:
>
> C:\test>mkdir hlds
>
> C:\test>dir
>  Volume in drive C has no label.
>  Volume Serial Number is D086-4981
>
>  Directory of C:\test
>
> 10/14/2009  03:15 PM  .
> 10/14/2009  03:15 PM  ..
> 10/14/2009  03:15 PM  hlds
> 10/14/2009  03:15 PM 1,082,616 HldsUpdateTool.exe
>   1 File(s)  1,082,616 bytes
>   3 Dir(s)  791,420,563,456 bytes free
>
> C:\test>HldsUpdateTool.exe -command update -game cstrike -dir hlds
> Checking bootstrapper version ...
> Getting version 35 of Steam HLDS Update Tool
> Downloading. . . . . . . . . .
> C:\test>Checking bootstrapper version ...
> Updating Installation
> CMultiFieldBlob: Unable to grow blob
> HldsUpdateTool.exe -command update -game cstrike -dir hlds
> Checking bootstrapper version ...
> Updating Installation
>
> C:\test>
>
> I didn't notice this before today.
>
> Existing installs continue to work, so the workaround for this is to
> replace
> its bad ClientRegistry.blob with a known-good version from another
> installation.
>
> -John
>
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Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available

[Chris]

Just me, or is hldsupdatetool completely b0rked on windows?

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Nightbox wrote:

> Übercharge
>
> 2009/10/15 Aj Collins 
>
> > ÃœberCharge?!
> >
> > (Before you guys yell at me, I know it's just a case where the characters
> > are screwed up.)
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:12 PM, turb0z  wrote:
> >
> > > Working good so far... nothing crazy going on.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:
> > > hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Jason Ruymen
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 3:58 PM
> > > To: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list'; '
> > > hlds@list.valvesoftware.com'; 'hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com'
> > > Subject: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available
> > >
> > > A required update for Team Fortress 2 is now available.  Please run
> > > hldsupdatetool to receive the update.  The specific changes include:
> > >
> > > Team Fortress 2:
> > > - Added "+quickswitch" command, which brings up a small panel allowing
> > you
> > > to rapidly change the loadout of your current class & active weapon
> slot
> > > - Added server ConVar "tf_teamtalk" to allow alive/dead teammates to
> talk
> > > with each other during a match (default is 0)
> > > - Added 1/2 Bonus Point for healing a teammate with a dropped sandvich
> > > - Updated the class menu to show the local player's current class
> > > - Updated server ConVar "tf_playergib" to have 3 settings for player
> > gibs:
> > > 0: never, 1: normal, 2: always (default is 1)
> > > - Updated "player_hurt" game event to include "damageamount" and "crit"
> > > values
> > > - Fixed a rare crash in particle system
> > > - Fixed being able to eat your sandvich (via taunt) and drop it in the
> > same
> > > frame
> > > - Fixed not correctly remembering the last weapon if you're using
> > "remember
> > > active weapon" and the last weapon was the weapon in slot 0
> > > - Fixed Medic not being able to release his ÃœberCharge if his team won
> > the
> > > previous round and the Medigun was his last active weapon (while using
> > > "remember last active weapon")
> > > - Fixed not remembering the last active weapon correctly if the player
> > > didn't die before the next round restart
> > > - Prevented servers from using steam:// commands in their MOTD text
> > > - Fixed using the regen cabinets to get more health than you should
> when
> > > you switch between weapons with/without max health reduction attributes
> > > - Fixed friendly-fire/spectator exploit using projectiles
> > > - Fixed disguised spies not getting ammo from enemy dispensers
> > > - Fixed thrown sandvich traveling through players before being
> activated
> > > - Fixed sandviches sometimes spawning inside walls, or being thrown
> > through
> > > thin walls
> > > - Fixed fire overlay drawing on hats in DX80
> > > - Fixed an exploit that allowed servers to corrupt client's item
> database
> > > - Fixed full packet updates showing cloaked Spies for an instant
> > > - Fixed a prediction error resulting in mis-predictions of crits
> > >
> > > Community requests:
> > > - Added new "func_flag_alert" entity that fires an alert when a player
> > > carrying a flag starts touching the entity
> > > - Added server ConVar "bot_crouch" to make bots crouch
> > > - Added model override for item_teamflag entity
> > > - Added ability to turn off particle trail for players carrying the
> > > item_teamflag entity
> > > - Updated team_train_watcher to support 8 cp/track links (was
> previously
> > 4)
> > >
> > > Jason
> > >
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Re: [hlds] [TF2] Valve using their special weapons

[Chris Brunelle]

++

People need to stop getting their panties in a knot.  It's been addressed.
It happened for at most a few hours during that ONE day.  Give it up
already. I'm sure there are more important things to bitch about...move
along.

-Original Message-
From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 9:21 AM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] [TF2] Valve using their special weapons

I agree - however, since this has since been addressed by Robin,
what's the problem now?

We should be productive and all I've seen so far are (some hostile)
rants - if someone still has a bone to pick with Valve, state what you
expect to be done about it instead of just complaining. What's done is
done. There is no reason to keep beating a dead horse (that I'm aware
of).

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:11 AM, gulfy32  wrote:
> The reason people are angry over this is because valve employees are
joining
> servers not hosted by valve, but hosted by the community. These
communities
> pay for the servers and valve ruining the experience for everyone on the
> server by having uber weapons.  If valve was doing this on their own
> public/private server most people would not be very angry.
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:43 AM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald <
> voo...@voogru.com> wrote:
>
>> I solved the hat problem too, I just coded my own entity that applies
hats
>> to me.
>>
>> Sure, I can only use them on my own servers, but it's not like I play
>> anywhere else anyway.
>>
>> - voogru.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
>> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of tgnwells
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:35 AM
>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [hlds] [TF2] Valve using their special weapons
>>
>> i just want a hat :(
>>
>> On 9/8/2009 8:13 PM, Matthew Gottlieb wrote:
>> > ople are so pissed off about this.
>> > It's their game, let them have th
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Re: [hlds] TF2 Holding Players

[Chris]

>From 13/08/09 update:
 - Added response caching for some server queries to help reduce the CPU
load from DOS attacks.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Violent Crimes <
violentcri...@convictgaming.com> wrote:

> Anyone notice since the update that you will have random players in your
> server but there time never changes. Right now I have 5 players in my
> server "even though the server shows 4/32" none of them are actually in
> the server.
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Re: [hlds] TF2/L4D Updates Available

[Chris]

DontWannaName! my point wasnt that it was a linux feature (which doesnt
work) or that it wasnt available in windows.
But thanks for your input.

On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 12:28 AM, msleeper  wrote:

> But it doesn't work.
>
>
> On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 16:06 -0700, DontWannaName! wrote:
> > Autoupdate is a linux feature not windows. Never has been probably never
> > will be.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Chris  wrote:
> >
> > > I agree to an extent on it being your problem... But it would be nice
> if
> > > Valve took a look at fixing/reimplementing -autoupdate
> > > Not only for server admins but for players who can't get onto their
> > > favourite servers due to someone repsonsible for udpating servers not
> being
> > > available 24/7.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Nightbox <
> alexandrualexa...@gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > If you care they are using TCAdmin for Window, and a self made for
> Linux.
> > > >
> > > > 2009/8/22 
> > > >
> > > > > Damn. Who are you using for your GSP? I've never heard of a GSP
> that
> > > > didn't
> > > > > give some sort of control panel.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Original Message -
> > > > > From: "Nightbox" 
> > > > > To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" <
> > > > > hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:51:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
> Eastern
> > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2/L4D Updates Available
> > > > >
> > > > > Im not whining about update, im whining about update procedure.
> > > > >
> > > > > As player i like those updates as much as you. As Server
> administrator
> > > > its
> > > > > making my life harder.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have to contact my host company and tell them that a new update
> hsa
> > > > been
> > > > > released, and then wait for their answer, or even worse if their
> > > manager
> > > > is
> > > > > in summer break.
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