Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
And as I have said before - I have the right to think that, so I will keep on doing so. You've made your point. I don't buy it. I will continue to not buy it, because I don't subscribe to your point of view any more than you subscribe to mine. There is nothing that anyone can say or do that will make me think that our squeaky wheels didn't make a difference. I strongly feel it did, and all the detracting in the world won't change that. Let it go. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Dustin Wyatt Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:49 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists This is my exact point. Karl, you have a vested interest in thinking your method made the difference, but there's no evidence that it did. It may have, it may not have, there's no proof that it did. On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: Who's to say that they were not working on it all this time? We already know they don't full communicate to us everything that they are doing. KennyLoggins ClanAO.com On Feb 11, 2009, at 8:10 PM, Karl Weckstrom k...@weckstrom.com wrote: Because these patterns have a way of repeating themselves. Ask anyone old enough who understands the adage The squeaky wheel gets the grease. It's not rocket science, you know. If enough people complain, people act - just as valve did. FUD it all you want, it won't matter :) -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com ] On Behalf Of Dustin Wyatt Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:45 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists gotten valve to acknowledge that it exists How do you know you and others drumming up noise has anything to do with Valve's comments on the matter? On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Karl Weckstrom k...@weckstrom.com wrote: As much as people have criticized the methods that some of us have used to get valve's attention, we have done exactly that. While the map timeout bug isn't quite fixed yet, the noise that's been drummed up by myself and others has at least gotten valve to acknowledge that it exists and that they're working towards a fix. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds KennyLoggins ClanAO.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
This is my exact point. Karl, you have a vested interest in thinking your method made the difference, but there's no evidence that it did. It may have, it may not have, there's no proof that it did. On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: Who's to say that they were not working on it all this time? We already know they don't full communicate to us everything that they are doing. KennyLoggins ClanAO.com On Feb 11, 2009, at 8:10 PM, Karl Weckstrom k...@weckstrom.com wrote: Because these patterns have a way of repeating themselves. Ask anyone old enough who understands the adage The squeaky wheel gets the grease. It's not rocket science, you know. If enough people complain, people act - just as valve did. FUD it all you want, it won't matter :) -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com ] On Behalf Of Dustin Wyatt Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:45 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists gotten valve to acknowledge that it exists How do you know you and others drumming up noise has anything to do with Valve's comments on the matter? On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Karl Weckstrom k...@weckstrom.com wrote: As much as people have criticized the methods that some of us have used to get valve's attention, we have done exactly that. While the map timeout bug isn't quite fixed yet, the noise that's been drummed up by myself and others has at least gotten valve to acknowledge that it exists and that they're working towards a fix. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds KennyLoggins ClanAO.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
no this cant be happening. 2009/2/11 DontWannaName! dontwannaname...@yahoo.com Ya Burton has always been tonjohn. He must have forgoten to use his official email to post on here or something. From: Alex alexandrualexa...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:37:06 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists de laBurton Johnsey sp.tonj...@gmail.comrăspunde laHalf-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com is he real ? = from Burton ... 2009/2/9 Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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oh great i just went and looked at the forums to see if they are that bad! and yes they are. its a bunch of kids saying why my server no wrk on my computor. ahhh valve why do you do this stuff to us. these emails were vital to me they showed me that i wasn't alone in issues i was having and gave me fixes normaily way before i had a problem. also over all, most everyone on here knows what they are doing so it was a quick way i could find out what was going on every day with out the spam of 12 year olds asking how to run a server on there home computer over and over again. er 2009/2/11 Scott scottish2c...@gmail.com no this cant be happening. 2009/2/11 DontWannaName! dontwannaname...@yahoo.com Ya Burton has always been tonjohn. He must have forgoten to use his official email to post on here or something. From: Alex alexandrualexa...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:37:06 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists de laBurton Johnsey sp.tonj...@gmail.comrăspunde laHalf-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com is he real ? = from Burton ... 2009/2/9 Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
I'm reasonably new to the email list having only been a member for less then a month but the reason why I'm a member of the list is because it at least takes *some* working knowledge of how lists work (no matter how simple) for people to interact on it. Forums are always riddled with kids and idiots. We need some place for the dedicated admins to talk, and this is it. Unless the Steam forums is going to make a board specific to 'dedicated admins' with permissions on who and who can't access it this email list is the easiest way. I doubt Steam would go through all the hassle of configuring permissions, then having to deal with the whiny snots running a server on their parents cable internet connection calling themselves an admin and being able to access said board as well. There is just no replacement for an email list that by it's very nature, filters out the annoyances. -Matt 2009/2/11 Scott scottish2c...@gmail.com oh great i just went and looked at the forums to see if they are that bad! and yes they are. its a bunch of kids saying why my server no wrk on my computor. ahhh valve why do you do this stuff to us. these emails were vital to me they showed me that i wasn't alone in issues i was having and gave me fixes normaily way before i had a problem. also over all, most everyone on here knows what they are doing so it was a quick way i could find out what was going on every day with out the spam of 12 year olds asking how to run a server on there home computer over and over again. er 2009/2/11 Scott scottish2c...@gmail.com no this cant be happening. 2009/2/11 DontWannaName! dontwannaname...@yahoo.com Ya Burton has always been tonjohn. He must have forgoten to use his official email to post on here or something. From: Alex alexandrualexa...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:37:06 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists de laBurton Johnsey sp.tonj...@gmail.comrăspunde laHalf-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com is he real ? = from Burton ... 2009/2/9 Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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also, how can they enable sv_cheats 1 ? 2009/2/11 Scott scottish2c...@gmail.com oh great i just went and looked at the forums to see if they are that bad! and yes they are. its a bunch of kids saying why my server no wrk on my computor. ahhh valve why do you do this stuff to us. these emails were vital to me they showed me that i wasn't alone in issues i was having and gave me fixes normaily way before i had a problem. also over all, most everyone on here knows what they are doing so it was a quick way i could find out what was going on every day with out the spam of 12 year olds asking how to run a server on there home computer over and over again. er 2009/2/11 Scott scottish2c...@gmail.com no this cant be happening. 2009/2/11 DontWannaName! dontwannaname...@yahoo.com Ya Burton has always been tonjohn. He must have forgoten to use his official email to post on here or something. From: Alex alexandrualexa...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:37:06 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists de laBurton Johnsey sp.tonj...@gmail.comrăspunde laHalf-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com is he real ? = from Burton ... 2009/2/9 Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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you are true Matt 2009/2/11 CLAN RCR clan...@gmail.com I'm reasonably new to the email list having only been a member for less then a month but the reason why I'm a member of the list is because it at least takes *some* working knowledge of how lists work (no matter how simple) for people to interact on it. Forums are always riddled with kids and idiots. We need some place for the dedicated admins to talk, and this is it. Unless the Steam forums is going to make a board specific to 'dedicated admins' with permissions on who and who can't access it this email list is the easiest way. I doubt Steam would go through all the hassle of configuring permissions, then having to deal with the whiny snots running a server on their parents cable internet connection calling themselves an admin and being able to access said board as well. There is just no replacement for an email list that by it's very nature, filters out the annoyances. -Matt 2009/2/11 Scott scottish2c...@gmail.com oh great i just went and looked at the forums to see if they are that bad! and yes they are. its a bunch of kids saying why my server no wrk on my computor. ahhh valve why do you do this stuff to us. these emails were vital to me they showed me that i wasn't alone in issues i was having and gave me fixes normaily way before i had a problem. also over all, most everyone on here knows what they are doing so it was a quick way i could find out what was going on every day with out the spam of 12 year olds asking how to run a server on there home computer over and over again. er 2009/2/11 Scott scottish2c...@gmail.com no this cant be happening. 2009/2/11 DontWannaName! dontwannaname...@yahoo.com Ya Burton has always been tonjohn. He must have forgoten to use his official email to post on here or something. From: Alex alexandrualexa...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:37:06 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists de laBurton Johnsey sp.tonj...@gmail.comrăspunde laHalf-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com is he real ? = from Burton ... 2009/2/9 Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I think they'll still send release/update notes: We have also created a mailing list for Valve Dedicated Server release announcements, which is where you will hear first about upcoming Valve Dedicated Server releases and updates. Sent from Porta Potty. From: DontWannaName! dontwannaname...@yahoo.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 4:35:10 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Does that mean we cant get special release notes for updates anymore :( From: Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 12:51:31 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists tonjohn? Is that you? Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 12:38:58 -0800 From: sp.tonj...@gmail.com To: hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds_li...@valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th. After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the forums listed below. Windows server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc) Linux server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc) If you have not already done so, please register a forum accounthttp://forums.steampowered.com/forums/register.php . NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing. -BurtonJ Valve Software ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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gotten valve to acknowledge that it exists How do you know you and others drumming up noise has anything to do with Valve's comments on the matter? On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Karl Weckstrom k...@weckstrom.com wrote: As much as people have criticized the methods that some of us have used to get valve's attention, we have done exactly that. While the map timeout bug isn't quite fixed yet, the noise that's been drummed up by myself and others has at least gotten valve to acknowledge that it exists and that they're working towards a fix. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I'm willing to sign up and contribute more on the linux end and well configuration for both where acceptable. Right now most of the topics lead me to check all and archive. I'm more interested in issues with exploits and updates, as well as new releases and configuration and server setups. Some of the conversations on here get out of control and aren't even worth reading. On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: I agree with this as well, it won't work unless we have the full support of the dedicated guys on this list. I have the list already set up. It's run the exact same way the hlds mailing list is. Same program and everything. We should really only use it if they are going to shut this one down for sure. And if we do decide to use it, we need to decide as a community and make sure we have support from all of the regulars. I'll follow wherever the main guys go, whether it be the forums, my mailing list, or another mailing list. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:25:54 -0500 From: sake...@kingdomsend.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists someone has setup a mailing list and was linked in the irc chat and people said they were not going to join it because google sucks. I singed up with it to see how it would work and what not and it worked exactly like any other mailing list with the only difference with a really nice web front. Really in a nut shell i think that unless the new group isn't supported by neph and the few others that people look up to a new mailing list created anywhere will not go anywhere. Alec Sanger wrote: You make it sound like there's a lot of back-end work when running a list, but it's actually pretty much self run. Set up the list and go. Everyone on a mailing list is ranked equally. Like I said before, I'm more than happy to set one up. It'll take 10 minutes. I'd definitely like to see what Burton has to say though. I would certainly prefer the list stay with valve, and would only want to set one up myself if this one was shut down completely. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:04:22 -0800 From: mjr...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Mr. Burton's announcement basically has revised the original intent of the HLDS mailing list as the primary means of support/communication with server admins to now be the Steam Forums. From an operational standpoint, hell that makes a lot of sense. Course anyone can argue that, but I'm just throwing that out there from Valve's POV. I think everyone would agree that the amount of subscribers to this list has increased and that can very well be attributed to the base server admins of the list. Meaning they are the ones that ended up putting tutorials, HOW tos, tips, tricks, remedies, mitigations, etc. out there on the webz in the first place, rather than Valve directly. The official place for feedback by Valve makes sense to be the Steam forums. Not saying at all I like it personally or create a backlash amongst everyone. I have been listening on this list myself since just before TF2 came out and it has been a godsend. *tips hat to the base SAs* I concur with many here that a mail list is still the best way to go due mostly for two things: obscurity and flexibility (both ways). Most importantly though, if the base SAs remain, then in my mind, that's all I need. The Steam forums, while not the greatest solution for this type of community (i.e., moderators, confirmation of SAs, chronology of threads/posts, editing, viewing challenges, response challenges) feels like an abyss, tbh, compared to here. Yeah, I don't mean to knock it before trying it, but our forums are vBulletin. One of the main benefits of the mailing list is raw interaction and chronology. That has shear importance when it comes to troubleshooting issues that may be general (i.e., important for all SAs). I would say that the server admin community over the years has built itself. There is a core group. If Valve chooses not to reply or interact here, then that is the way it is. However, that doesn't have to change with respect to the SAs that are here….participating, which to me is the point. Each one of us has our own way of finding information, verifying it, and then communicating it. The Steam Forums is one of those places to look for reference. When Valve reports there, how many of you will bring it here….? I'd like to see someone take the lead on setting up an UNOFFICIAL mailing list….Hell, we can argue the current one already is UNOFFICIAL due
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Because these patterns have a way of repeating themselves. Ask anyone old enough who understands the adage The squeaky wheel gets the grease. It's not rocket science, you know. If enough people complain, people act - just as valve did. FUD it all you want, it won't matter :) -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Dustin Wyatt Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:45 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists gotten valve to acknowledge that it exists How do you know you and others drumming up noise has anything to do with Valve's comments on the matter? On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Karl Weckstrom k...@weckstrom.com wrote: As much as people have criticized the methods that some of us have used to get valve's attention, we have done exactly that. While the map timeout bug isn't quite fixed yet, the noise that's been drummed up by myself and others has at least gotten valve to acknowledge that it exists and that they're working towards a fix. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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They also say The empty can rattles the most. On Wed, 2009-02-11 at 21:10 -0500, Karl Weckstrom wrote: Because these patterns have a way of repeating themselves. Ask anyone old enough who understands the adage The squeaky wheel gets the grease. It's not rocket science, you know. If enough people complain, people act - just as valve did. FUD it all you want, it won't matter :) -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Dustin Wyatt Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:45 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists gotten valve to acknowledge that it exists How do you know you and others drumming up noise has anything to do with Valve's comments on the matter? On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Karl Weckstrom k...@weckstrom.com wrote: As much as people have criticized the methods that some of us have used to get valve's attention, we have done exactly that. While the map timeout bug isn't quite fixed yet, the noise that's been drummed up by myself and others has at least gotten valve to acknowledge that it exists and that they're working towards a fix. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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It's amazing how many of the same apologists take this approach :) -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of msleeper Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:10 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists They also say The empty can rattles the most. On Wed, 2009-02-11 at 21:10 -0500, Karl Weckstrom wrote: Because these patterns have a way of repeating themselves. Ask anyone old enough who understands the adage The squeaky wheel gets the grease. It's not rocket science, you know. If enough people complain, people act - just as valve did. FUD it all you want, it won't matter :) -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Dustin Wyatt Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:45 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists gotten valve to acknowledge that it exists How do you know you and others drumming up noise has anything to do with Valve's comments on the matter? On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Karl Weckstrom k...@weckstrom.com wrote: As much as people have criticized the methods that some of us have used to get valve's attention, we have done exactly that. While the map timeout bug isn't quite fixed yet, the noise that's been drummed up by myself and others has at least gotten valve to acknowledge that it exists and that they're working towards a fix. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Who's to say that they were not working on it all this time? We already know they don't full communicate to us everything that they are doing. KennyLoggins ClanAO.com On Feb 11, 2009, at 8:10 PM, Karl Weckstrom k...@weckstrom.com wrote: Because these patterns have a way of repeating themselves. Ask anyone old enough who understands the adage The squeaky wheel gets the grease. It's not rocket science, you know. If enough people complain, people act - just as valve did. FUD it all you want, it won't matter :) -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com ] On Behalf Of Dustin Wyatt Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:45 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists gotten valve to acknowledge that it exists How do you know you and others drumming up noise has anything to do with Valve's comments on the matter? On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Karl Weckstrom k...@weckstrom.com wrote: As much as people have criticized the methods that some of us have used to get valve's attention, we have done exactly that. While the map timeout bug isn't quite fixed yet, the noise that's been drummed up by myself and others has at least gotten valve to acknowledge that it exists and that they're working towards a fix. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds KennyLoggins ClanAO.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I think best solutioin will be gateway (in both direction) to valve`s forum. Somthing like this - http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=92588 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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No forums, no forum-mail gateways, no other unneeded stuff.. All is just fine with the mailing list - only needed information, almost only smart, mature people, easy to read, always available in my mailbox etc.. Oldschool stuff is the best. Speaking about moderators on steam forums from the mailing list members- its unsafe, their forum accounts could be hijacked (dont know how to say it in english), their passwords can be stolen etc and if some information will be lost on official steam forums or something else will happen who will take responsibility for this? Thats totally unneeded. I am happy you Valve reconsidered this (hopefully) and that you care what we all think about this..#160; I know you want to make things better but this is the case when there is really no need to change something about mailing list. Quoting O!KAK : I think best solutioin will be gateway (in both direction) to valve`s forum. Somthing like this - http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=92588 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Links: -- [1] mailto:ga...@starlink.ru ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Also, other forums have been available for posting on (srcds.com, alliedmodders) and people are still here at the mailing list instead. Moving to the steam forums won't make everything more central, it will separate it as people will make their own unofficial mailing lists and other avenues of information rather than flock to the steam forums. Like many other people have said in these responses, I don't want another forum or website to remember to read, and I suspect by getting rid of this mailing list and forcing everyone to use the forum then over time you would lose a lot of the current knowledgeable and useful responders here and just end up with more not-so-useful posters on the steam forums. So then server administrators have lost another good form of support and discussion. Mailing list is convenient, you always get it and have your own copy and don't have to respond if you don't want to. If you don't like a topic then you can just erase all e-mails with that subject. You can read on something that you hadn't thought of or just erase all e-mails. You also have the preview pane in your e-mail client so its easy to go through the threads at a glance. It's always just there. With a forum you have to go out of your way, clicking back and forth between threads rather than a glance and slowly people would drop off and you'd get less of the really helpful people around. I think this list is great and should be left as-is. I only signed up just under a year ago and has since caused me to look out for more useful mailing lists in other things I do regularly. Matt -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Zover Mirklo Sent: 10 February 2009 08:23 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists No forums, no forum-mail gateways, no other unneeded stuff.. All is just fine with the mailing list - only needed information, almost only smart, mature people, easy to read, always available in my mailbox etc.. Oldschool stuff is the best. Speaking about moderators on steam forums from the mailing list members- its unsafe, their forum accounts could be hijacked (dont know how to say it in english), their passwords can be stolen etc and if some information will be lost on official steam forums or something else will happen who will take responsibility for this? Thats totally unneeded. I am happy you Valve reconsidered this (hopefully) and that you care what we all think about this..#160; I know you want to make things better but this is the case when there is really no need to change something about mailing list. Quoting O!KAK : I think best solutioin will be gateway (in both direction) to valve`s forum. Somthing like this - http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=92588 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Links: -- [1] mailto:ga...@starlink.ru ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I agree with the sentiment that a mailing list is useless without valve reading it and/or responding. I also agree with moving it to a forum. While it's both good and bad for the same reason (everyone can see it), it's also a lot more exposing. I think big, glaring bugs should be seen for what they are. They shouldn't be kept within the confines of a mailing list that has a limited audience. Sometimes a little pressure from the internet at large is a good thing :) I think Valve is doing the right thing by putting a little pressure on themselves. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Matt 'mole' Ashton Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:33 AM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Also, other forums have been available for posting on (srcds.com, alliedmodders) and people are still here at the mailing list instead. Moving to the steam forums won't make everything more central, it will separate it as people will make their own unofficial mailing lists and other avenues of information rather than flock to the steam forums. Like many other people have said in these responses, I don't want another forum or website to remember to read, and I suspect by getting rid of this mailing list and forcing everyone to use the forum then over time you would lose a lot of the current knowledgeable and useful responders here and just end up with more not-so-useful posters on the steam forums. So then server administrators have lost another good form of support and discussion. Mailing list is convenient, you always get it and have your own copy and don't have to respond if you don't want to. If you don't like a topic then you can just erase all e-mails with that subject. You can read on something that you hadn't thought of or just erase all e-mails. You also have the preview pane in your e-mail client so its easy to go through the threads at a glance. It's always just there. With a forum you have to go out of your way, clicking back and forth between threads rather than a glance and slowly people would drop off and you'd get less of the really helpful people around. I think this list is great and should be left as-is. I only signed up just under a year ago and has since caused me to look out for more useful mailing lists in other things I do regularly. Matt -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Zover Mirklo Sent: 10 February 2009 08:23 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists No forums, no forum-mail gateways, no other unneeded stuff.. All is just fine with the mailing list - only needed information, almost only smart, mature people, easy to read, always available in my mailbox etc.. Oldschool stuff is the best. Speaking about moderators on steam forums from the mailing list members- its unsafe, their forum accounts could be hijacked (dont know how to say it in english), their passwords can be stolen etc and if some information will be lost on official steam forums or something else will happen who will take responsibility for this? Thats totally unneeded. I am happy you Valve reconsidered this (hopefully) and that you care what we all think about this..#160; I know you want to make things better but this is the case when there is really no need to change something about mailing list. Quoting O!KAK : I think best solutioin will be gateway (in both direction) to valve`s forum. Somthing like this - http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=92588 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Links: -- [1] mailto:ga...@starlink.ru ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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but these issues still do make it to the steam forums, and tons of other forums around the internet. The difference is that the individuals on this list all have a common goal - to keep their servers running smoothly and to solve any issues as soon as possible. If the forum stays how it is, it will continue to be flooded by beginner questions that can be answered with a quick google search. I do see the argument for moving it to the forums, but this little community we have has a pretty narrow scope, and that allows us to tackle issues more effectively. I also check the list from my phone. If I have to go to the forums every time I want to see the status of something, chances are I will rarely be able to visit. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:37:53 -0500 From: k...@weckstrom.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I agree with the sentiment that a mailing list is useless without valve reading it and/or responding. I also agree with moving it to a forum. While it's both good and bad for the same reason (everyone can see it), it's also a lot more exposing. I think big, glaring bugs should be seen for what they are. They shouldn't be kept within the confines of a mailing list that has a limited audience. Sometimes a little pressure from the internet at large is a good thing :) I think Valve is doing the right thing by putting a little pressure on themselves. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Matt 'mole' Ashton Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:33 AM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Also, other forums have been available for posting on (srcds.com, alliedmodders) and people are still here at the mailing list instead. Moving to the steam forums won't make everything more central, it will separate it as people will make their own unofficial mailing lists and other avenues of information rather than flock to the steam forums. Like many other people have said in these responses, I don't want another forum or website to remember to read, and I suspect by getting rid of this mailing list and forcing everyone to use the forum then over time you would lose a lot of the current knowledgeable and useful responders here and just end up with more not-so-useful posters on the steam forums. So then server administrators have lost another good form of support and discussion. Mailing list is convenient, you always get it and have your own copy and don't have to respond if you don't want to. If you don't like a topic then you can just erase all e-mails with that subject. You can read on something that you hadn't thought of or just erase all e-mails. You also have the preview pane in your e-mail client so its easy to go through the threads at a glance. It's always just there. With a forum you have to go out of your way, clicking back and forth between threads rather than a glance and slowly people would drop off and you'd get less of the really helpful people around. I think this list is great and should be left as-is. I only signed up just under a year ago and has since caused me to look out for more useful mailing lists in other things I do regularly. Matt -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Zover Mirklo Sent: 10 February 2009 08:23 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists No forums, no forum-mail gateways, no other unneeded stuff.. All is just fine with the mailing list - only needed information, almost only smart, mature people, easy to read, always available in my mailbox etc.. Oldschool stuff is the best. Speaking about moderators on steam forums from the mailing list members- its unsafe, their forum accounts could be hijacked (dont know how to say it in english), their passwords can be stolen etc and if some information will be lost on official steam forums or something else will happen who will take responsibility for this? Thats totally unneeded. I am happy you Valve reconsidered this (hopefully) and that you care what we all think about this..#160; I know you want to make things better but this is the case when there is really no need to change something about mailing list. Quoting O!KAK : I think best solutioin will be gateway (in both direction) to valve`s forum. Somthing like this - http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=92588 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Links
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I'm not sure I'd agree with that Karl. I've only been a member of this list since last summer and there hasn't been much (if any) support or correspondence from Valve since then bar the announcement of upcoming updates. However I have still received welcome help to my questions as have others, as well as learning more from reading the answers to other member's questions (which I wouldn't sit and go through if I had to click through different threads on a forum). If you want an example of how useful this mailing list is without Valve input just look at the timeout bug progress. While Valve has failed to fix it, members from this list have continued to look at the symptoms and try and work on a user-based fix until Valve has sorted it themselves. We now know what is (likely) the cause and quickly had a plugin released to put to the test and see if it works. If that doesn't work then members of this list will continue to share information and help each other out until we find something else. I honestly can't see the same level of support and 'community' happening if this were all in a forum section on the steam forums, and this was just one example let alone the countless other things members of this list have helped each other out with. Forum section just feel that bit more cold and impersonal. Doesn't sound like a useless mailing list to me nor a support line that should be taken down in a notion of we can has forums!. If Valve wants to change anything, then maybe they should change the level of input they have in it. Matt -Long Live The List!- -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Karl Weckstrom Sent: 10 February 2009 14:38 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I agree with the sentiment that a mailing list is useless without valve reading it and/or responding. I also agree with moving it to a forum. While it's both good and bad for the same reason (everyone can see it), it's also a lot more exposing. I think big, glaring bugs should be seen for what they are. They shouldn't be kept within the confines of a mailing list that has a limited audience. Sometimes a little pressure from the internet at large is a good thing :) I think Valve is doing the right thing by putting a little pressure on themselves. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Matt 'mole' Ashton Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:33 AM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Also, other forums have been available for posting on (srcds.com, alliedmodders) and people are still here at the mailing list instead. Moving to the steam forums won't make everything more central, it will separate it as people will make their own unofficial mailing lists and other avenues of information rather than flock to the steam forums. Like many other people have said in these responses, I don't want another forum or website to remember to read, and I suspect by getting rid of this mailing list and forcing everyone to use the forum then over time you would lose a lot of the current knowledgeable and useful responders here and just end up with more not-so-useful posters on the steam forums. So then server administrators have lost another good form of support and discussion. Mailing list is convenient, you always get it and have your own copy and don't have to respond if you don't want to. If you don't like a topic then you can just erase all e-mails with that subject. You can read on something that you hadn't thought of or just erase all e-mails. You also have the preview pane in your e-mail client so its easy to go through the threads at a glance. It's always just there. With a forum you have to go out of your way, clicking back and forth between threads rather than a glance and slowly people would drop off and you'd get less of the really helpful people around. I think this list is great and should be left as-is. I only signed up just under a year ago and has since caused me to look out for more useful mailing lists in other things I do regularly. Matt -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Zover Mirklo Sent: 10 February 2009 08:23 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists No forums, no forum-mail gateways, no other unneeded stuff.. All is just fine with the mailing list - only needed information, almost only smart, mature people, easy to read, always available in my mailbox etc.. Oldschool stuff is the best. Speaking about moderators on steam forums from the mailing list members- its unsafe, their forum accounts could be hijacked (dont know how
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Well, I fully admit my interest in this list isn't to help or be helped. Since I've been here, I've found far more helpful resources when it comes to getting problems solved. My interest lies in getting Valve to fix the problems that we can't. As much as people have criticized the methods that some of us have used to get valve's attention, we have done exactly that. While the map timeout bug isn't quite fixed yet, the noise that's been drummed up by myself and others has at least gotten valve to acknowledge that it exists and that they're working towards a fix. This method would work equally as well on an open forum in my opinion. While others have gone on to start other mailing lists, irc channels or forums in an attempt to get the same result that this list offers, I personally think that an open forum would allow me to express my concerns (and draw attention to them as I see fit) just as well as this list. I understand the concerns of those who think the forums won't be followed or read (particularly by valve), but there's ways to make sure that they do. The likelihood that mods will nuke posts made by the 4chan trolls who just reply to piss people off just sweetens the deal :) -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Matt 'mole' Ashton Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:22 AM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I'm not sure I'd agree with that Karl. I've only been a member of this list since last summer and there hasn't been much (if any) support or correspondence from Valve since then bar the announcement of upcoming updates. However I have still received welcome help to my questions as have others, as well as learning more from reading the answers to other member's questions (which I wouldn't sit and go through if I had to click through different threads on a forum). If you want an example of how useful this mailing list is without Valve input just look at the timeout bug progress. While Valve has failed to fix it, members from this list have continued to look at the symptoms and try and work on a user-based fix until Valve has sorted it themselves. We now know what is (likely) the cause and quickly had a plugin released to put to the test and see if it works. If that doesn't work then members of this list will continue to share information and help each other out until we find something else. I honestly can't see the same level of support and 'community' happening if this were all in a forum section on the steam forums, and this was just one example let alone the countless other things members of this list have helped each other out with. Forum section just feel that bit more cold and impersonal. Doesn't sound like a useless mailing list to me nor a support line that should be taken down in a notion of we can has forums!. If Valve wants to change anything, then maybe they should change the level of input they have in it. Matt -Long Live The List!- -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Karl Weckstrom Sent: 10 February 2009 14:38 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I agree with the sentiment that a mailing list is useless without valve reading it and/or responding. I also agree with moving it to a forum. While it's both good and bad for the same reason (everyone can see it), it's also a lot more exposing. I think big, glaring bugs should be seen for what they are. They shouldn't be kept within the confines of a mailing list that has a limited audience. Sometimes a little pressure from the internet at large is a good thing :) I think Valve is doing the right thing by putting a little pressure on themselves. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Matt 'mole' Ashton Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:33 AM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Also, other forums have been available for posting on (srcds.com, alliedmodders) and people are still here at the mailing list instead. Moving to the steam forums won't make everything more central, it will separate it as people will make their own unofficial mailing lists and other avenues of information rather than flock to the steam forums. Like many other people have said in these responses, I don't want another forum or website to remember to read, and I suspect by getting rid of this mailing list and forcing everyone to use the forum then over time you would lose a lot of the current knowledgeable and useful responders here and just end up with more not-so-useful posters on the steam forums. So then server
[hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
Mr. Burton's announcement basically has revised the original intent of the HLDS mailing list as the primary means of support/communication with server admins to now be the Steam Forums. From an operational standpoint, hell that makes a lot of sense. Course anyone can argue that, but I'm just throwing that out there from Valve's POV. I think everyone would agree that the amount of subscribers to this list has increased and that can very well be attributed to the base server admins of the list. Meaning they are the ones that ended up putting tutorials, HOW tos, tips, tricks, remedies, mitigations, etc. out there on the webz in the first place, rather than Valve directly. The official place for feedback by Valve makes sense to be the Steam forums. Not saying at all I like it personally or create a backlash amongst everyone. I have been listening on this list myself since just before TF2 came out and it has been a godsend. *tips hat to the base SAs* I concur with many here that a mail list is still the best way to go due mostly for two things: obscurity and flexibility (both ways). Most importantly though, if the base SAs remain, then in my mind, that's all I need. The Steam forums, while not the greatest solution for this type of community (i.e., moderators, confirmation of SAs, chronology of threads/posts, editing, viewing challenges, response challenges) feels like an abyss, tbh, compared to here. Yeah, I don't mean to knock it before trying it, but our forums are vBulletin. One of the main benefits of the mailing list is raw interaction and chronology. That has shear importance when it comes to troubleshooting issues that may be general (i.e., important for all SAs). I would say that the server admin community over the years has built itself. There is a core group. If Valve chooses not to reply or interact here, then that is the way it is. However, that doesn't have to change with respect to the SAs that are here….participating, which to me is the point. Each one of us has our own way of finding information, verifying it, and then communicating it. The Steam Forums is one of those places to look for reference. When Valve reports there, how many of you will bring it here….? I'd like to see someone take the lead on setting up an UNOFFICIAL mailing list….Hell, we can argue the current one already is UNOFFICIAL due to low participation by Valve here already. I'm not saying that bash Valve at all, it's just a fact regarding the participation, which is not what it once was and will discontinue completely on February 20th. I'm in for an unofficial mailing list, but I have no idea who is the right person to run that. I've seen a link or two from people, but I'd like to defer to the big dawgs – Neph, Richard, Tony,…. Regards, Carl aka [FLASH] MjrNuT Arise from Flames and Ash, Behold Immortality www.flamesandash.com -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Matt 'mole' Ashton Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:33 AM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Also, other forums have been available for posting on (srcds.com, alliedmodders) and people are still here at the mailing list instead. Moving to the steam forums won't make everything more central, it will separate it as people will make their own unofficial mailing lists and other avenues of information rather than flock to the steam forums. Like many other people have said in these responses, I don't want another forum or website to remember to read, and I suspect by getting rid of this mailing list and forcing everyone to use the forum then over time you would lose a lot of the current knowledgeable and useful responders here and just end up with more not-so-useful posters on the steam forums. So then server administrators have lost another good form of support and discussion. Mailing list is convenient, you always get it and have your own copy and don't have to respond if you don't want to. If you don't like a topic then you can just erase all e-mails with that subject. You can read on something that you hadn't thought of or just erase all e-mails. You also have the preview pane in your e-mail client so its easy to go through the threads at a glance. It's always just there. With a forum you have to go out of your way, clicking back and forth between threads rather than a glance and slowly people would drop off and you'd get less of the really helpful people around. I think this list is great and should be left as-is. I only signed up just under a year ago and has since caused me to look out for more useful mailing lists in other things I do regularly. Matt -- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:54:32 -0500 From: Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
You make it sound like there's a lot of back-end work when running a list, but it's actually pretty much self run. Set up the list and go. Everyone on a mailing list is ranked equally. Like I said before, I'm more than happy to set one up. It'll take 10 minutes. I'd definitely like to see what Burton has to say though. I would certainly prefer the list stay with valve, and would only want to set one up myself if this one was shut down completely. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:04:22 -0800 From: mjr...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Mr. Burton's announcement basically has revised the original intent of the HLDS mailing list as the primary means of support/communication with server admins to now be the Steam Forums. From an operational standpoint, hell that makes a lot of sense. Course anyone can argue that, but I'm just throwing that out there from Valve's POV. I think everyone would agree that the amount of subscribers to this list has increased and that can very well be attributed to the base server admins of the list. Meaning they are the ones that ended up putting tutorials, HOW tos, tips, tricks, remedies, mitigations, etc. out there on the webz in the first place, rather than Valve directly. The official place for feedback by Valve makes sense to be the Steam forums. Not saying at all I like it personally or create a backlash amongst everyone. I have been listening on this list myself since just before TF2 came out and it has been a godsend. *tips hat to the base SAs* I concur with many here that a mail list is still the best way to go due mostly for two things: obscurity and flexibility (both ways). Most importantly though, if the base SAs remain, then in my mind, that's all I need. The Steam forums, while not the greatest solution for this type of community (i.e., moderators, confirmation of SAs, chronology of threads/posts, editing, viewing challenges, response challenges) feels like an abyss, tbh, compared to here. Yeah, I don't mean to knock it before trying it, but our forums are vBulletin. One of the main benefits of the mailing list is raw interaction and chronology. That has shear importance when it comes to troubleshooting issues that may be general (i.e., important for all SAs). I would say that the server admin community over the years has built itself. There is a core group. If Valve chooses not to reply or interact here, then that is the way it is. However, that doesn't have to change with respect to the SAs that are here….participating, which to me is the point. Each one of us has our own way of finding information, verifying it, and then communicating it. The Steam Forums is one of those places to look for reference. When Valve reports there, how many of you will bring it here….? I'd like to see someone take the lead on setting up an UNOFFICIAL mailing list….Hell, we can argue the current one already is UNOFFICIAL due to low participation by Valve here already. I'm not saying that bash Valve at all, it's just a fact regarding the participation, which is not what it once was and will discontinue completely on February 20th. I'm in for an unofficial mailing list, but I have no idea who is the right person to run that. I've seen a link or two from people, but I'd like to defer to the big dawgs – Neph, Richard, Tony,…. Regards, Carl aka [FLASH] MjrNuT Arise from Flames and Ash, Behold Immortality www.flamesandash.com -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Matt 'mole' Ashton Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:33 AM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Also, other forums have been available for posting on (srcds.com, alliedmodders) and people are still here at the mailing list instead. Moving to the steam forums won't make everything more central, it will separate it as people will make their own unofficial mailing lists and other avenues of information rather than flock to the steam forums. Like many other people have said in these responses, I don't want another forum or website to remember to read, and I suspect by getting rid of this mailing list and forcing everyone to use the forum then over time you would lose a lot of the current knowledgeable and useful responders here and just end up with more not-so-useful posters on the steam forums. So then server administrators have lost another good form of support and discussion. Mailing list is convenient, you always get it and have your own copy and don't have to respond if you don't want to. If you don't like a topic then you can just erase all e-mails with that subject. You can read
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someone has setup a mailing list and was linked in the irc chat and people said they were not going to join it because google sucks. I singed up with it to see how it would work and what not and it worked exactly like any other mailing list with the only difference with a really nice web front. Really in a nut shell i think that unless the new group isn't supported by neph and the few others that people look up to a new mailing list created anywhere will not go anywhere. Alec Sanger wrote: You make it sound like there's a lot of back-end work when running a list, but it's actually pretty much self run. Set up the list and go. Everyone on a mailing list is ranked equally. Like I said before, I'm more than happy to set one up. It'll take 10 minutes. I'd definitely like to see what Burton has to say though. I would certainly prefer the list stay with valve, and would only want to set one up myself if this one was shut down completely. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:04:22 -0800 From: mjr...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Mr. Burton's announcement basically has revised the original intent of the HLDS mailing list as the primary means of support/communication with server admins to now be the Steam Forums. From an operational standpoint, hell that makes a lot of sense. Course anyone can argue that, but I'm just throwing that out there from Valve's POV. I think everyone would agree that the amount of subscribers to this list has increased and that can very well be attributed to the base server admins of the list. Meaning they are the ones that ended up putting tutorials, HOW tos, tips, tricks, remedies, mitigations, etc. out there on the webz in the first place, rather than Valve directly. The official place for feedback by Valve makes sense to be the Steam forums. Not saying at all I like it personally or create a backlash amongst everyone. I have been listening on this list myself since just before TF2 came out and it has been a godsend. *tips hat to the base SAs* I concur with many here that a mail list is still the best way to go due mostly for two things: obscurity and flexibility (both ways). Most importantly though, if the base SAs remain, then in my mind, that's all I need. The Steam forums, while not the greatest solution for this type of community (i.e., moderators, confirmation of SAs, chronology of threads/posts, editing, viewing challenges, response challenges) feels like an abyss, tbh, compared to here. Yeah, I don't mean to knock it before trying it, but our forums are vBulletin. One of the main benefits of the mailing list is raw interaction and chronology. That has shear importance when it comes to troubleshooting issues that may be general (i.e., important for all SAs). I would say that the server admin community over the years has built itself. There is a core group. If Valve chooses not to reply or interact here, then that is the way it is. However, that doesn't have to change with respect to the SAs that are here….participating, which to me is the point. Each one of us has our own way of finding information, verifying it, and then communicating it. The Steam Forums is one of those places to look for reference. When Valve reports there, how many of you will bring it here….? I'd like to see someone take the lead on setting up an UNOFFICIAL mailing list….Hell, we can argue the current one already is UNOFFICIAL due to low participation by Valve here already. I'm not saying that bash Valve at all, it's just a fact regarding the participation, which is not what it once was and will discontinue completely on February 20th. I'm in for an unofficial mailing list, but I have no idea who is the right person to run that. I've seen a link or two from people, but I'd like to defer to the big dawgs – Neph, Richard, Tony,…. Regards, Carl aka [FLASH] MjrNuT Arise from Flames and Ash, Behold Immortality www.flamesandash.com -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Matt 'mole' Ashton Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:33 AM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Also, other forums have been available for posting on (srcds.com, alliedmodders) and people are still here at the mailing list instead. Moving to the steam forums won't make everything more central, it will separate it as people will make their own unofficial mailing lists and other avenues of information rather than flock to the steam forums. Like many other people have said in these responses, I don't want another forum or website to remember to read, and I suspect by getting rid of this mailing list and forcing everyone
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I agree with this as well, it won't work unless we have the full support of the dedicated guys on this list. I have the list already set up. It's run the exact same way the hlds mailing list is. Same program and everything. We should really only use it if they are going to shut this one down for sure. And if we do decide to use it, we need to decide as a community and make sure we have support from all of the regulars. I'll follow wherever the main guys go, whether it be the forums, my mailing list, or another mailing list. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:25:54 -0500 From: sake...@kingdomsend.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists someone has setup a mailing list and was linked in the irc chat and people said they were not going to join it because google sucks. I singed up with it to see how it would work and what not and it worked exactly like any other mailing list with the only difference with a really nice web front. Really in a nut shell i think that unless the new group isn't supported by neph and the few others that people look up to a new mailing list created anywhere will not go anywhere. Alec Sanger wrote: You make it sound like there's a lot of back-end work when running a list, but it's actually pretty much self run. Set up the list and go. Everyone on a mailing list is ranked equally. Like I said before, I'm more than happy to set one up. It'll take 10 minutes. I'd definitely like to see what Burton has to say though. I would certainly prefer the list stay with valve, and would only want to set one up myself if this one was shut down completely. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:04:22 -0800 From: mjr...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Mr. Burton's announcement basically has revised the original intent of the HLDS mailing list as the primary means of support/communication with server admins to now be the Steam Forums. From an operational standpoint, hell that makes a lot of sense. Course anyone can argue that, but I'm just throwing that out there from Valve's POV. I think everyone would agree that the amount of subscribers to this list has increased and that can very well be attributed to the base server admins of the list. Meaning they are the ones that ended up putting tutorials, HOW tos, tips, tricks, remedies, mitigations, etc. out there on the webz in the first place, rather than Valve directly. The official place for feedback by Valve makes sense to be the Steam forums. Not saying at all I like it personally or create a backlash amongst everyone. I have been listening on this list myself since just before TF2 came out and it has been a godsend. *tips hat to the base SAs* I concur with many here that a mail list is still the best way to go due mostly for two things: obscurity and flexibility (both ways). Most importantly though, if the base SAs remain, then in my mind, that's all I need. The Steam forums, while not the greatest solution for this type of community (i.e., moderators, confirmation of SAs, chronology of threads/posts, editing, viewing challenges, response challenges) feels like an abyss, tbh, compared to here. Yeah, I don't mean to knock it before trying it, but our forums are vBulletin. One of the main benefits of the mailing list is raw interaction and chronology. That has shear importance when it comes to troubleshooting issues that may be general (i.e., important for all SAs). I would say that the server admin community over the years has built itself. There is a core group. If Valve chooses not to reply or interact here, then that is the way it is. However, that doesn't have to change with respect to the SAs that are here….participating, which to me is the point. Each one of us has our own way of finding information, verifying it, and then communicating it. The Steam Forums is one of those places to look for reference. When Valve reports there, how many of you will bring it here….? I'd like to see someone take the lead on setting up an UNOFFICIAL mailing list….Hell, we can argue the current one already is UNOFFICIAL due to low participation by Valve here already. I'm not saying that bash Valve at all, it's just a fact regarding the participation, which is not what it once was and will discontinue completely on February 20th. I'm in for an unofficial mailing list, but I have no idea who is the right person to run that. I've seen a link or two from people, but I'd like to defer to the big dawgs – Neph, Richard, Tony,…. Regards, Carl aka [FLASH] MjrNuT Arise from Flames and Ash
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On registration or application you can even have people type in the server IPs they use to verify that they host servers and make an age limit of some sort. Again, I don't like this exclusion idea. I turn my private servers off when I'm not gaming. I'd still like to be on a mailing list or be able to join the members only forum. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Also next time we find a crash exploit and someone posts the command that is used to crash severs it will be up for easy grabs by the public. On Feb 10, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: but these issues still do make it to the steam forums, and tons of other forums around the internet. The difference is that the individuals on this list all have a common goal - to keep their servers running smoothly and to solve any issues as soon as possible. If the forum stays how it is, it will continue to be flooded by beginner questions that can be answered with a quick google search. I do see the argument for moving it to the forums, but this little community we have has a pretty narrow scope, and that allows us to tackle issues more effectively. I also check the list from my phone. If I have to go to the forums every time I want to see the status of something, chances are I will rarely be able to visit. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:37:53 -0500 From: k...@weckstrom.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I agree with the sentiment that a mailing list is useless without valve reading it and/or responding. I also agree with moving it to a forum. While it's both good and bad for the same reason (everyone can see it), it's also a lot more exposing. I think big, glaring bugs should be seen for what they are. They shouldn't be kept within the confines of a mailing list that has a limited audience. Sometimes a little pressure from the internet at large is a good thing :) I think Valve is doing the right thing by putting a little pressure on themselves. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com ] On Behalf Of Matt 'mole' Ashton Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:33 AM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Also, other forums have been available for posting on (srcds.com, alliedmodders) and people are still here at the mailing list instead. Moving to the steam forums won't make everything more central, it will separate it as people will make their own unofficial mailing lists and other avenues of information rather than flock to the steam forums. Like many other people have said in these responses, I don't want another forum or website to remember to read, and I suspect by getting rid of this mailing list and forcing everyone to use the forum then over time you would lose a lot of the current knowledgeable and useful responders here and just end up with more not-so-useful posters on the steam forums. So then server administrators have lost another good form of support and discussion. Mailing list is convenient, you always get it and have your own copy and don't have to respond if you don't want to. If you don't like a topic then you can just erase all e-mails with that subject. You can read on something that you hadn't thought of or just erase all e-mails. You also have the preview pane in your e-mail client so its easy to go through the threads at a glance. It's always just there. With a forum you have to go out of your way, clicking back and forth between threads rather than a glance and slowly people would drop off and you'd get less of the really helpful people around. I think this list is great and should be left as-is. I only signed up just under a year ago and has since caused me to look out for more useful mailing lists in other things I do regularly. Matt -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Zover Mirklo Sent: 10 February 2009 08:23 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists No forums, no forum-mail gateways, no other unneeded stuff.. All is just fine with the mailing list - only needed information, almost only smart, mature people, easy to read, always available in my mailbox etc.. Oldschool stuff is the best. Speaking about moderators on steam forums from the mailing list members- its unsafe, their forum accounts could be hijacked (dont know how to say it in english), their passwords can be stolen etc and if some information will be lost on official steam forums or something else will happen who will take responsibility for this? Thats totally unneeded. I am happy you Valve reconsidered this (hopefully) and that you care what we all think about this..#160; I know you want to make things better but this is the case when there is really no need to change something about mailing list. Quoting O!KAK : I think best solutioin will be gateway (in both direction
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I have to agree with mike on this. No. Really I HAVE to. Neil Voutt http://www.neilvoutt.com Sent from my iPhone On 10-Feb-09, at 2:17 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: Also next time we find a crash exploit and someone posts the command that is used to crash severs it will be up for easy grabs by the public. On Feb 10, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: but these issues still do make it to the steam forums, and tons of other forums around the internet. The difference is that the individuals on this list all have a common goal - to keep their servers running smoothly and to solve any issues as soon as possible. If the forum stays how it is, it will continue to be flooded by beginner questions that can be answered with a quick google search. I do see the argument for moving it to the forums, but this little community we have has a pretty narrow scope, and that allows us to tackle issues more effectively. I also check the list from my phone. If I have to go to the forums every time I want to see the status of something, chances are I will rarely be able to visit. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:37:53 -0500 From: k...@weckstrom.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I agree with the sentiment that a mailing list is useless without valve reading it and/or responding. I also agree with moving it to a forum. While it's both good and bad for the same reason (everyone can see it), it's also a lot more exposing. I think big, glaring bugs should be seen for what they are. They shouldn't be kept within the confines of a mailing list that has a limited audience. Sometimes a little pressure from the internet at large is a good thing :) I think Valve is doing the right thing by putting a little pressure on themselves. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com ] On Behalf Of Matt 'mole' Ashton Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:33 AM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Also, other forums have been available for posting on (srcds.com, alliedmodders) and people are still here at the mailing list instead. Moving to the steam forums won't make everything more central, it will separate it as people will make their own unofficial mailing lists and other avenues of information rather than flock to the steam forums. Like many other people have said in these responses, I don't want another forum or website to remember to read, and I suspect by getting rid of this mailing list and forcing everyone to use the forum then over time you would lose a lot of the current knowledgeable and useful responders here and just end up with more not-so-useful posters on the steam forums. So then server administrators have lost another good form of support and discussion. Mailing list is convenient, you always get it and have your own copy and don't have to respond if you don't want to. If you don't like a topic then you can just erase all e-mails with that subject. You can read on something that you hadn't thought of or just erase all e-mails. You also have the preview pane in your e-mail client so its easy to go through the threads at a glance. It's always just there. With a forum you have to go out of your way, clicking back and forth between threads rather than a glance and slowly people would drop off and you'd get less of the really helpful people around. I think this list is great and should be left as-is. I only signed up just under a year ago and has since caused me to look out for more useful mailing lists in other things I do regularly. Matt -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Zover Mirklo Sent: 10 February 2009 08:23 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists No forums, no forum-mail gateways, no other unneeded stuff.. All is just fine with the mailing list - only needed information, almost only smart, mature people, easy to read, always available in my mailbox etc.. Oldschool stuff is the best. Speaking about moderators on steam forums from the mailing list members- its unsafe, their forum accounts could be hijacked (dont know how to say it in english), their passwords can be stolen etc and if some information will be lost on official steam forums or something else will happen who will take responsibility for this? Thats totally unneeded. I am happy you Valve reconsidered this (hopefully) and that you care what we all think about this..#160; I know you want to make things better but this is the case when there is really
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Right - and will be fixed more quickly as a result. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Mike Stiehm Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 2:18 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Also next time we find a crash exploit and someone posts the command that is used to crash severs it will be up for easy grabs by the public. On Feb 10, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: but these issues still do make it to the steam forums, and tons of other forums around the internet. The difference is that the individuals on this list all have a common goal - to keep their servers running smoothly and to solve any issues as soon as possible. If the forum stays how it is, it will continue to be flooded by beginner questions that can be answered with a quick google search. I do see the argument for moving it to the forums, but this little community we have has a pretty narrow scope, and that allows us to tackle issues more effectively. I also check the list from my phone. If I have to go to the forums every time I want to see the status of something, chances are I will rarely be able to visit. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:37:53 -0500 From: k...@weckstrom.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I agree with the sentiment that a mailing list is useless without valve reading it and/or responding. I also agree with moving it to a forum. While it's both good and bad for the same reason (everyone can see it), it's also a lot more exposing. I think big, glaring bugs should be seen for what they are. They shouldn't be kept within the confines of a mailing list that has a limited audience. Sometimes a little pressure from the internet at large is a good thing :) I think Valve is doing the right thing by putting a little pressure on themselves. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com ] On Behalf Of Matt 'mole' Ashton Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:33 AM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Also, other forums have been available for posting on (srcds.com, alliedmodders) and people are still here at the mailing list instead. Moving to the steam forums won't make everything more central, it will separate it as people will make their own unofficial mailing lists and other avenues of information rather than flock to the steam forums. Like many other people have said in these responses, I don't want another forum or website to remember to read, and I suspect by getting rid of this mailing list and forcing everyone to use the forum then over time you would lose a lot of the current knowledgeable and useful responders here and just end up with more not-so-useful posters on the steam forums. So then server administrators have lost another good form of support and discussion. Mailing list is convenient, you always get it and have your own copy and don't have to respond if you don't want to. If you don't like a topic then you can just erase all e-mails with that subject. You can read on something that you hadn't thought of or just erase all e-mails. You also have the preview pane in your e-mail client so its easy to go through the threads at a glance. It's always just there. With a forum you have to go out of your way, clicking back and forth between threads rather than a glance and slowly people would drop off and you'd get less of the really helpful people around. I think this list is great and should be left as-is. I only signed up just under a year ago and has since caused me to look out for more useful mailing lists in other things I do regularly. Matt -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Zover Mirklo Sent: 10 February 2009 08:23 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists No forums, no forum-mail gateways, no other unneeded stuff.. All is just fine with the mailing list - only needed information, almost only smart, mature people, easy to read, always available in my mailbox etc.. Oldschool stuff is the best. Speaking about moderators on steam forums from the mailing list members- its unsafe, their forum accounts could be hijacked (dont know how to say it in english), their passwords can be stolen etc and if some information will be lost on official steam forums or something else will happen who will take
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So, I still can't understand how or why you and a few others (Patrick Shelley and Dan Reinhardt come to mind) seem to think that the mailing list is an open channel to Valve or some sort of srcds Support or that it should be, when 1.) it says nowhere that it is and I am fairly sure it never has, and 2.) there are about a dozen better ways to get in touch with people at Valve, not to mention the people who post here who are personal friends with Valve programmers and other staff who can and do get direct contact. You make it out to seem like Valve is totally oblivious to the problems that arise and exist for their own games, and that this mailing list is some sort of last line of defense, and without out the constant droning that these problems would never get resolved. Yeah, it is great that at least some of the shit that gets posted here does get read by them, and the actual helpful members like our hero Nephyrin really do take great strides to make the world a better place. But the world is not going to end, bugs and exploits are already glaring enough, subce everyone wants to be a Youtube star with the next hottest exploit/grief. These problems would not be any more or less exposed with the list gone. I don't want to see the list go away either, and I think the Steam forums are horrible for a number of reasons which have more or less been said already. But if it does go away I am not gonna ragequit running servers just because I don't server talk in my email (or my iPhone - laugh out loud, is that a serious concern? If so, get a life), and you people who are saying you will are nuts. Oh no, this list that has relatively nothing to do with the running or operation of my personal server has gone away! BRB uninstalling srcds. Give me a break. Though I would take bets on how long it would take for you to ragequit the forums too just because the mods don't take you seriously when you can't take a joke and get butthurt when the Ops don't care about your childish whining, like what happened in IRC. Now go ahead and post some response, and be sure to put a smiley face in it so that we all know you keep your cool when you get pissed because you're an idiot. Sent from my iWheel. Don't have one? Check them out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 09:37 -0500, Karl Weckstrom wrote: I agree with the sentiment that a mailing list is useless without valve reading it and/or responding. I also agree with moving it to a forum. While it's both good and bad for the same reason (everyone can see it), it's also a lot more exposing. I think big, glaring bugs should be seen for what they are. They shouldn't be kept within the confines of a mailing list that has a limited audience. Sometimes a little pressure from the internet at large is a good thing :) I think Valve is doing the right thing by putting a little pressure on themselves. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Matt 'mole' Ashton Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:33 AM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Also, other forums have been available for posting on (srcds.com, alliedmodders) and people are still here at the mailing list instead. Moving to the steam forums won't make everything more central, it will separate it as people will make their own unofficial mailing lists and other avenues of information rather than flock to the steam forums. Like many other people have said in these responses, I don't want another forum or website to remember to read, and I suspect by getting rid of this mailing list and forcing everyone to use the forum then over time you would lose a lot of the current knowledgeable and useful responders here and just end up with more not-so-useful posters on the steam forums. So then server administrators have lost another good form of support and discussion. Mailing list is convenient, you always get it and have your own copy and don't have to respond if you don't want to. If you don't like a topic then you can just erase all e-mails with that subject. You can read on something that you hadn't thought of or just erase all e-mails. You also have the preview pane in your e-mail client so its easy to go through the threads at a glance. It's always just there. With a forum you have to go out of your way, clicking back and forth between threads rather than a glance and slowly people would drop off and you'd get less of the really helpful people around. I think this list is great and should be left as-is. I only signed up just under a year ago and has since caused me to look out for more useful mailing lists in other things I do regularly. Matt -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf
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I agree 100% He obviously has little or no experience in cooperation with other admins. I'm sick of the endless spamming he speaks about truly annoying. KennyLoggins ClanAO.com On Feb 10, 2009, at 4:00 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: So, I still can't understand how or why you and a few others (Patrick Shelley and Dan Reinhardt come to mind) seem to think that the mailing list is an open channel to Valve or some sort of srcds Support or that it should be, when 1.) it says nowhere that it is and I am fairly sure it never has, and 2.) there are about a dozen better ways to get in touch with people at Valve, not to mention the people who post here who are personal friends with Valve programmers and other staff who can and do get direct contact. You make it out to seem like Valve is totally oblivious to the problems that arise and exist for their own games, and that this mailing list is some sort of last line of defense, and without out the constant droning that these problems would never get resolved. Yeah, it is great that at least some of the shit that gets posted here does get read by them, and the actual helpful members like our hero Nephyrin really do take great strides to make the world a better place. But the world is not going to end, bugs and exploits are already glaring enough, subce everyone wants to be a Youtube star with the next hottest exploit/ grief. These problems would not be any more or less exposed with the list gone. I don't want to see the list go away either, and I think the Steam forums are horrible for a number of reasons which have more or less been said already. But if it does go away I am not gonna ragequit running servers just because I don't server talk in my email (or my iPhone - laugh out loud, is that a serious concern? If so, get a life), and you people who are saying you will are nuts. Oh no, this list that has relatively nothing to do with the running or operation of my personal server has gone away! BRB uninstalling srcds. Give me a break. Though I would take bets on how long it would take for you to ragequit the forums too just because the mods don't take you seriously when you can't take a joke and get butthurt when the Ops don't care about your childish whining, like what happened in IRC. Now go ahead and post some response, and be sure to put a smiley face in it so that we all know you keep your cool when you get pissed because you're an idiot. Sent from my iWheel. Don't have one? Check them out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 09:37 -0500, Karl Weckstrom wrote: I agree with the sentiment that a mailing list is useless without valve reading it and/or responding. I also agree with moving it to a forum. While it's both good and bad for the same reason (everyone can see it), it's also a lot more exposing. I think big, glaring bugs should be seen for what they are. They shouldn't be kept within the confines of a mailing list that has a limited audience. Sometimes a little pressure from the internet at large is a good thing :) I think Valve is doing the right thing by putting a little pressure on themselves. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com ] On Behalf Of Matt 'mole' Ashton Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:33 AM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Also, other forums have been available for posting on (srcds.com, alliedmodders) and people are still here at the mailing list instead. Moving to the steam forums won't make everything more central, it will separate it as people will make their own unofficial mailing lists and other avenues of information rather than flock to the steam forums. Like many other people have said in these responses, I don't want another forum or website to remember to read, and I suspect by getting rid of this mailing list and forcing everyone to use the forum then over time you would lose a lot of the current knowledgeable and useful responders here and just end up with more not-so-useful posters on the steam forums. So then server administrators have lost another good form of support and discussion. Mailing list is convenient, you always get it and have your own copy and don't have to respond if you don't want to. If you don't like a topic then you can just erase all e-mails with that subject. You can read on something that you hadn't thought of or just erase all e-mails. You also have the preview pane in your e-mail client so its easy to go through the threads at a glance. It's always just there. With a forum you have to go out of your way, clicking back and forth between threads rather than a glance and slowly people would drop off and you'd get less
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So, I still can't understand how or why you and a few others (Patrick Shelley and Dan Reinhardt come to mind) seem to think that the mailing list is an open channel to Valve or some sort of srcds Support or that it should be, when 1.) it says nowhere that it is and I am fairly sure it never has, and 2.) there are about a dozen better ways to get in touch with people at Valve, not to mention the people who post here who are personal friends with Valve programmers and other staff who can and do get direct contact. I think of this list as a user to user help mailing list. I do not what you are speaking of when you accuse me of thinking this is a direct link to VALVe Programmers and VALVe Staff. I joined this list to ask a few questions regarding a few errors I had with HLDS and what not. Now I lurk more then anything. So what do you mean by your above statement. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Maybe I'm confusing you with someone else. Whoops. My point still stands though. On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 16:49 -0600, crypto...@cryptodan.com wrote: So, I still can't understand how or why you and a few others (Patrick Shelley and Dan Reinhardt come to mind) seem to think that the mailing list is an open channel to Valve or some sort of srcds Support or that it should be, when 1.) it says nowhere that it is and I am fairly sure it never has, and 2.) there are about a dozen better ways to get in touch with people at Valve, not to mention the people who post here who are personal friends with Valve programmers and other staff who can and do get direct contact. I think of this list as a user to user help mailing list. I do not what you are speaking of when you accuse me of thinking this is a direct link to VALVe Programmers and VALVe Staff. I joined this list to ask a few questions regarding a few errors I had with HLDS and what not. Now I lurk more then anything. So what do you mean by your above statement. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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People typically do what they want in the absence of any kind of moderation. I'm pretty sure Valve is getting rid of this list because of that very reason. They want control over the format, and for that I can't blame them. I for one knew that if people complained, Valve would take notice and say something. Guess what, they did. Despite all the crying from the Valve apologists, the reversion to personal attacks and the like, the issue was noticed to the point where valve did exactly what I thought they would do. And when the patch that supposedly fixed the issue didn't actually do so, they even mentioned that in the next patch that came a couple of days later. The complaints, regardless of how people might feel about them, served their purpose - just as they do in all other industries. If it's all out in the open on a forum, that's even more pressure to fix them, or at the very least - to acknowledge them and move forward with whatever action they see fit. I think it's a win/win - We still get support in the form of an open forum - with the right to bitch and moan about bugs - and they get the ability to moderate what gets shown to the internet at large. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of msleeper Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:01 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists So, I still can't understand how or why you and a few others (Patrick Shelley and Dan Reinhardt come to mind) seem to think that the mailing list is an open channel to Valve or some sort of srcds Support or that it should be, when 1.) it says nowhere that it is and I am fairly sure it never has, and 2.) there are about a dozen better ways to get in touch with people at Valve, not to mention the people who post here who are personal friends with Valve programmers and other staff who can and do get direct contact. You make it out to seem like Valve is totally oblivious to the problems that arise and exist for their own games, and that this mailing list is some sort of last line of defense, and without out the constant droning that these problems would never get resolved. Yeah, it is great that at least some of the shit that gets posted here does get read by them, and the actual helpful members like our hero Nephyrin really do take great strides to make the world a better place. But the world is not going to end, bugs and exploits are already glaring enough, subce everyone wants to be a Youtube star with the next hottest exploit/grief. These problems would not be any more or less exposed with the list gone. I don't want to see the list go away either, and I think the Steam forums are horrible for a number of reasons which have more or less been said already. But if it does go away I am not gonna ragequit running servers just because I don't server talk in my email (or my iPhone - laugh out loud, is that a serious concern? If so, get a life), and you people who are saying you will are nuts. Oh no, this list that has relatively nothing to do with the running or operation of my personal server has gone away! BRB uninstalling srcds. Give me a break. Though I would take bets on how long it would take for you to ragequit the forums too just because the mods don't take you seriously when you can't take a joke and get butthurt when the Ops don't care about your childish whining, like what happened in IRC. Now go ahead and post some response, and be sure to put a smiley face in it so that we all know you keep your cool when you get pissed because you're an idiot. Sent from my iWheel. Don't have one? Check them out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 09:37 -0500, Karl Weckstrom wrote: I agree with the sentiment that a mailing list is useless without valve reading it and/or responding. I also agree with moving it to a forum. While it's both good and bad for the same reason (everyone can see it), it's also a lot more exposing. I think big, glaring bugs should be seen for what they are. They shouldn't be kept within the confines of a mailing list that has a limited audience. Sometimes a little pressure from the internet at large is a good thing :) I think Valve is doing the right thing by putting a little pressure on themselves. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Matt 'mole' Ashton Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:33 AM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Also, other forums have been available for posting on (srcds.com, alliedmodders) and people are still here at the mailing list instead. Moving to the steam forums won't make everything more central, it will separate it as people will make their own
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Ya Burton has always been tonjohn. He must have forgoten to use his official email to post on here or something. From: Alex alexandrualexa...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:37:06 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists de laBurton Johnsey sp.tonj...@gmail.comrăspunde laHalf-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com is he real ? = from Burton ... 2009/2/9 Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
Fake. Not from a valve software address. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Burton Johnsey sp.tonj...@gmail.com wrote: We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th. After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the forums listed below. Windows server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc) Linux server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc) If you have not already done so, please register a forum accounthttp://forums.steampowered.com/forums/register.php . NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing. -BurtonJ Valve Software ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
Can we at least get an RSS feed of the forum then? I liked the mailing lists because we got instant updates on the latest news. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Burton Johnsey sp.tonj...@gmail.com wrote: We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th. After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the forums listed below. Windows server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc) Linux server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc) If you have not already done so, please register a forum accounthttp://forums.steampowered.com/forums/register.php . NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing. -BurtonJ Valve Software ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
tonjohn? Is that you? Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 12:38:58 -0800 From: sp.tonj...@gmail.com To: hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds_li...@valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th. After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the forums listed below. Windows server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc) Linux server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc) If you have not already done so, please register a forum accounthttp://forums.steampowered.com/forums/register.php . NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing. -BurtonJ Valve Software ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
why was this sent from a gmail address? On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Aj Collins gamerzwo...@gmail.com wrote: Can we at least get an RSS feed of the forum then? I liked the mailing lists because we got instant updates on the latest news. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Burton Johnsey sp.tonj...@gmail.com wrote: We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th. After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the forums listed below. Windows server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc) Linux server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc) If you have not already done so, please register a forum accounthttp://forums.steampowered.com/forums/register.php . NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing. -BurtonJ Valve Software ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
It's fake dude...if it's not from em...@valvesoftware.com, it's not true. And yes, that goes for anything. :P Aj Collins wrote: Can we at least get an RSS feed of the forum then? I liked the mailing lists because we got instant updates on the latest news. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Burton Johnsey sp.tonj...@gmail.com wrote: We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th. After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the forums listed below. Windows server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc) Linux server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc) If you have not already done so, please register a forum accounthttp://forums.steampowered.com/forums/register.php . NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing. -BurtonJ Valve Software ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
sadly I think it might really be Burton J... look at all of the other messages posted by Burton. Same address :( Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 14:44:36 -0600 From: cc2isc...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Fake. Not from a valve software address. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Burton Johnsey sp.tonj...@gmail.com wrote: We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th. After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the forums listed below. Windows server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc) Linux server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc) If you have not already done so, please register a forum accounthttp://forums.steampowered.com/forums/register.php . NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing. -BurtonJ Valve Software ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
I for one hope it's true :) Forums are a lot more visible to the internet at large. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of greg Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:52 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists why was this sent from a gmail address? On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Aj Collins gamerzwo...@gmail.com wrote: Can we at least get an RSS feed of the forum then? I liked the mailing lists because we got instant updates on the latest news. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Burton Johnsey sp.tonj...@gmail.com wrote: We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th. After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the forums listed below. Windows server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc) Linux server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc) If you have not already done so, please register a forum accounthttp://forums.steampowered.com/forums/register.php . NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing. -BurtonJ Valve Software ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
Unfortunately, outlook doesn't handle email threads as well as gmail does. I have updated our Support FAQ with this information: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9427-OPFH-2819 -Burton Johnsey bur...@valvesoftware.com On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:52 PM, greg nightshadow1...@gmail.com wrote: why was this sent from a gmail address? On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Aj Collins gamerzwo...@gmail.com wrote: Can we at least get an RSS feed of the forum then? I liked the mailing lists because we got instant updates on the latest news. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Burton Johnsey sp.tonj...@gmail.com wrote: We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th. After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the forums listed below. Windows server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc) Linux server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc) If you have not already done so, please register a forum accounthttp://forums.steampowered.com/forums/register.php . NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing. -BurtonJ Valve Software ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 12:59:44 -0800 From: sp.tonj...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Unfortunately, outlook doesn't handle email threads as well as gmail does. I have updated our Support FAQ with this information: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9427-OPFH-2819 -Burton Johnsey bur...@valvesoftware.com On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:52 PM, greg nightshadow1...@gmail.com wrote: why was this sent from a gmail address? On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Aj Collins gamerzwo...@gmail.com wrote: Can we at least get an RSS feed of the forum then? I liked the mailing lists because we got instant updates on the latest news. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Burton Johnsey sp.tonj...@gmail.com wrote: We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th. After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the forums listed below. Windows server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc) Linux server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc) If you have not already done so, please register a forum accounthttp://forums.steampowered.com/forums/register.php . NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing. -BurtonJ Valve Software ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
Unfortunately this also means that any post relating to something being wrong with their binaries will be automatically deleted. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Karl Weckstrom k...@weckstrom.com wrote: I for one hope it's true :) Forums are a lot more visible to the internet at large. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of greg Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:52 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists why was this sent from a gmail address? On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Aj Collins gamerzwo...@gmail.com wrote: Can we at least get an RSS feed of the forum then? I liked the mailing lists because we got instant updates on the latest news. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Burton Johnsey sp.tonj...@gmail.com wrote: We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th. After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the forums listed below. Windows server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc) Linux server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc) If you have not already done so, please register a forum accounthttp://forums.steampowered.com/forums/register.php . NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing. -BurtonJ Valve Software ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
Don't know if it would be proper or not, but you might want to post this to the announce list as well... Keeper -Original Message- From: Burton Johnsey [mailto:sp.tonj...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 4:00 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Unfortunately, outlook doesn't handle email threads as well as gmail does. I have updated our Support FAQ with this information: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9427-OPFH-2819 -Burton Johnsey bur...@valvesoftware.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 12:59:44 -0800 From: sp.tonj...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Unfortunately, outlook doesn't handle email threads as well as gmail does. I have updated our Support FAQ with this information: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9427-OPFH-2819 -Burton Johnsey bur...@valvesoftware.com On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:52 PM, greg nightshadow1...@gmail.com wrote: why was this sent from a gmail address? On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Aj Collins gamerzwo...@gmail.com wrote: Can we at least get an RSS feed of the forum then? I liked the mailing lists because we got instant updates on the latest news. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Burton Johnsey sp.tonj...@gmail.com wrote: We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th. After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the forums listed below. Windows server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc) Linux server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc) If you have not already done so, please register a forum accounthttp://forums.steampowered.com/forums/register.php . NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing. -BurtonJ Valve Software ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
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Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
After looking at the FAQ that burton updated, it looks like as long as you're on the hlds_announce list, you're still good. Only the hlds and hlds_linux lists are being disabled. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: mikesti...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:19:46 -0600 Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 12:59:44 -0800 From: sp.tonj...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Unfortunately, outlook doesn't handle email threads as well as gmail does. I have updated our Support FAQ with this information: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9427-OPFH-2819 -Burton Johnsey bur...@valvesoftware.com On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:52 PM, greg nightshadow1...@gmail.com wrote: why was this sent from a gmail address? On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Aj Collins gamerzwo...@gmail.com wrote: Can we at least get an RSS feed of the forum then? I liked the mailing lists because we got instant updates on the latest news. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Burton Johnsey sp.tonj...@gmail.com wrote: We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th. After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the forums listed below. Windows server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc) Linux server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc) If you have not already done so, please register a forum accounthttp://forums.steampowered.com/forums/register.php . NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing. -BurtonJ Valve Software ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
I call shenanians Neil Voutt http://www.neilvoutt.com Sent from my iPhone On 9-Feb-09, at 4:24 PM, Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com wrote: Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
de laBurton Johnsey sp.tonj...@gmail.comrăspunde laHalf-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com is he real ? = from Burton ... 2009/2/9 Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Maybe you should download the web browser to your iPhone so that you can see the updated page. Plus then you'll be able to post on the forums from it too. Sent from my PC On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 16:32 -0500, Neil Voutt wrote: I call shenanians Neil Voutt http://www.neilvoutt.com Sent from my iPhone On 9-Feb-09, at 4:24 PM, Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com wrote: Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
... Bugger. Someone want to set up a new list, y'know, so we don't have to wade through all the crap that seems to be on the forums? Alec Sanger wrote: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9427-OPFH-2819 Please note the following (located at the bottom of the page) The following lists have been discontinued as of February 20th, 2009: Click here for the archives of the Windows Dedicated Server Mailing List.Click here for the archives of the Linux Dedicated Server Mailing List. For active discussion regarding Dedicated Servers, please visit the forums. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: mr.neosty...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:32:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I call shenanians Neil Voutt http://www.neilvoutt.com Sent from my iPhone On 9-Feb-09, at 4:24 PM, Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com wrote: Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
I found this list on google groups. Looks like someone went to the trouble of creating one. http://groups.google.com/group/hlds-unoffical-mailing-list On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Kitteny Berk b...@hairy-arse.com wrote: ... Bugger. Someone want to set up a new list, y'know, so we don't have to wade through all the crap that seems to be on the forums? Alec Sanger wrote: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9427-OPFH-2819 Please note the following (located at the bottom of the page) The following lists have been discontinued as of February 20th, 2009: Click here for the archives of the Windows Dedicated Server Mailing List.Click here for the archives of the Linux Dedicated Server Mailing List. For active discussion regarding Dedicated Servers, please visit the forums. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: mr.neosty...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:32:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I call shenanians Neil Voutt http://www.neilvoutt.com Sent from my iPhone On 9-Feb-09, at 4:24 PM, Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com wrote: Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
A mailing list without Valve employes is pointless. - Original Message - From: Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I found this list on google groups. Looks like someone went to the trouble of creating one. http://groups.google.com/group/hlds-unoffical-mailing-list On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Kitteny Berk b...@hairy-arse.com wrote: ... Bugger. Someone want to set up a new list, y'know, so we don't have to wade through all the crap that seems to be on the forums? Alec Sanger wrote: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9427-OPFH-2819 Please note the following (located at the bottom of the page) The following lists have been discontinued as of February 20th, 2009: Click here for the archives of the Windows Dedicated Server Mailing List.Click here for the archives of the Linux Dedicated Server Mailing List. For active discussion regarding Dedicated Servers, please visit the forums. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: mr.neosty...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:32:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I call shenanians Neil Voutt http://www.neilvoutt.com Sent from my iPhone On 9-Feb-09, at 4:24 PM, Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com wrote: Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
I dunno - I think the list being discontinued and moved to a forum is a good thing. People might say things like blah blah blah, they'll just delete anything they don't like, but I think Valve is bigger than that. I think having it on an open forum that anyone can browse will be a very positive thing. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Kitteny Berk Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 4:47 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists ... Bugger. Someone want to set up a new list, y'know, so we don't have to wade through all the crap that seems to be on the forums? Alec Sanger wrote: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9427-OPFH-2819 Please note the following (located at the bottom of the page) The following lists have been discontinued as of February 20th, 2009: Click here for the archives of the Windows Dedicated Server Mailing List.Click here for the archives of the Linux Dedicated Server Mailing List. For active discussion regarding Dedicated Servers, please visit the forums. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: mr.neosty...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:32:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I call shenanians Neil Voutt http://www.neilvoutt.com Sent from my iPhone On 9-Feb-09, at 4:24 PM, Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com wrote: Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live(tm): E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
Whoops...somehow deleted part of the link. Should click before I post. http://groups.google.com/group/hlds-unofficial-mailing-list On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: I found this list on google groups. Looks like someone went to the trouble of creating one. http://groups.google.com/group/hlds-unoffical-mailing-list On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Kitteny Berk b...@hairy-arse.com wrote: ... Bugger. Someone want to set up a new list, y'know, so we don't have to wade through all the crap that seems to be on the forums? Alec Sanger wrote: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9427-OPFH-2819 Please note the following (located at the bottom of the page) The following lists have been discontinued as of February 20th, 2009: Click here for the archives of the Windows Dedicated Server Mailing List.Click here for the archives of the Linux Dedicated Server Mailing List. For active discussion regarding Dedicated Servers, please visit the forums. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: mr.neosty...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:32:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I call shenanians Neil Voutt http://www.neilvoutt.com Sent from my iPhone On 9-Feb-09, at 4:24 PM, Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com wrote: Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
Just FYI, the mailing list has never been a Valve support line. Aside from very occasionally chiming in, and emailing when there are server updates, we are on our own here. As we should be, it's not their job to moderate the list. On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 22:58 +0100, Ronny Schedel wrote: A mailing list without Valve employes is pointless. - Original Message - From: Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I found this list on google groups. Looks like someone went to the trouble of creating one. http://groups.google.com/group/hlds-unoffical-mailing-list On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Kitteny Berk b...@hairy-arse.com wrote: ... Bugger. Someone want to set up a new list, y'know, so we don't have to wade through all the crap that seems to be on the forums? Alec Sanger wrote: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9427-OPFH-2819 Please note the following (located at the bottom of the page) The following lists have been discontinued as of February 20th, 2009: Click here for the archives of the Windows Dedicated Server Mailing List.Click here for the archives of the Linux Dedicated Server Mailing List. For active discussion regarding Dedicated Servers, please visit the forums. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: mr.neosty...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:32:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I call shenanians Neil Voutt http://www.neilvoutt.com Sent from my iPhone On 9-Feb-09, at 4:24 PM, Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com wrote: Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
It hasn't had them for a while anyway. Ever since Alfred's been gone we never really get anything from actual Valve employees. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Ronny Schedel i...@ronny-schedel.de wrote: A mailing list without Valve employes is pointless. - Original Message - From: Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I found this list on google groups. Looks like someone went to the trouble of creating one. http://groups.google.com/group/hlds-unofficial-mailing-list On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Kitteny Berk b...@hairy-arse.com wrote: ... Bugger. Someone want to set up a new list, y'know, so we don't have to wade through all the crap that seems to be on the forums? Alec Sanger wrote: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9427-OPFH-2819 Please note the following (located at the bottom of the page) The following lists have been discontinued as of February 20th, 2009: Click here for the archives of the Windows Dedicated Server Mailing List.Click here for the archives of the Linux Dedicated Server Mailing List. For active discussion regarding Dedicated Servers, please visit the forums. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: mr.neosty...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:32:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I call shenanians Neil Voutt http://www.neilvoutt.com Sent from my iPhone On 9-Feb-09, at 4:24 PM, Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com wrote: Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
Well... as long as HLDS_Announce keeps up to date on Releases/Server Updates then it's not so bad. Hopefully the forum server runs better now. Still unfortunate. :/ On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: I found this list on google groups. Looks like someone went to the trouble of creating one. http://groups.google.com/group/hlds-unoffical-mailing-list On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Kitteny Berk b...@hairy-arse.com wrote: ... Bugger. Someone want to set up a new list, y'know, so we don't have to wade through all the crap that seems to be on the forums? Alec Sanger wrote: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9427-OPFH-2819 Please note the following (located at the bottom of the page) The following lists have been discontinued as of February 20th, 2009: Click here for the archives of the Windows Dedicated Server Mailing List.Click here for the archives of the Linux Dedicated Server Mailing List. For active discussion regarding Dedicated Servers, please visit the forums. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: mr.neosty...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:32:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I call shenanians Neil Voutt http://www.neilvoutt.com Sent from my iPhone On 9-Feb-09, at 4:24 PM, Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com wrote: Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
I don't have to download it. It comes with it LOL. Neil Voutt http://www.neilvoutt.com Sent from my iPhone On 9-Feb-09, at 4:41 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Maybe you should download the web browser to your iPhone so that you can see the updated page. Plus then you'll be able to post on the forums from it too. Sent from my PC On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 16:32 -0500, Neil Voutt wrote: I call shenanians Neil Voutt http://www.neilvoutt.com Sent from my iPhone On 9-Feb-09, at 4:24 PM, Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com wrote: Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I wonder how the forum mods would have handled the custom server tab fallout? I'd be willing to bet the custom tab would still be around if this had been discontinued before that cockup -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of msleeper Sent: 09 February 2009 10:02 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Just FYI, the mailing list has never been a Valve support line. Aside from very occasionally chiming in, and emailing when there are server updates, we are on our own here. As we should be, it's not their job to moderate the list. On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 22:58 +0100, Ronny Schedel wrote: A mailing list without Valve employes is pointless. - Original Message - From: Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I found this list on google groups. Looks like someone went to the trouble of creating one. http://groups.google.com/group/hlds-unoffical-mailing-list On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Kitteny Berk b...@hairy-arse.com wrote: ... Bugger. Someone want to set up a new list, y'know, so we don't have to wade through all the crap that seems to be on the forums? Alec Sanger wrote: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9427-OPFH-2819 Please note the following (located at the bottom of the page) The following lists have been discontinued as of February 20th, 2009: Click here for the archives of the Windows Dedicated Server Mailing List.Click here for the archives of the Linux Dedicated Server Mailing List. For active discussion regarding Dedicated Servers, please visit the forums. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: mr.neosty...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:32:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I call shenanians Neil Voutt http://www.neilvoutt.com Sent from my iPhone On 9-Feb-09, at 4:24 PM, Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com wrote: Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3839 (20090209) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
The joke --- Your head On Feb 9, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Neil Voutt wrote: I don't have to download it. It comes with it LOL. Neil Voutt http://www.neilvoutt.com Sent from my iPhone On 9-Feb-09, at 4:41 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Maybe you should download the web browser to your iPhone so that you can see the updated page. Plus then you'll be able to post on the forums from it too. Sent from my PC On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 16:32 -0500, Neil Voutt wrote: I call shenanians Neil Voutt http://www.neilvoutt.com Sent from my iPhone On 9-Feb-09, at 4:24 PM, Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com wrote: Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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um, the forums were insanely crazy during that time, and mods were locking posts left and right. they did a decent job keeping everything in a single thread though. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: scous...@blueyonder.co.uk To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 22:12:58 + Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I wonder how the forum mods would have handled the custom server tab fallout? I'd be willing to bet the custom tab would still be around if this had been discontinued before that cockup -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of msleeper Sent: 09 February 2009 10:02 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Just FYI, the mailing list has never been a Valve support line. Aside from very occasionally chiming in, and emailing when there are server updates, we are on our own here. As we should be, it's not their job to moderate the list. On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 22:58 +0100, Ronny Schedel wrote: A mailing list without Valve employes is pointless. - Original Message - From: Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I found this list on google groups. Looks like someone went to the trouble of creating one. http://groups.google.com/group/hlds-unoffical-mailing-list On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Kitteny Berk b...@hairy-arse.com wrote: ... Bugger. Someone want to set up a new list, y'know, so we don't have to wade through all the crap that seems to be on the forums? Alec Sanger wrote: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9427-OPFH-2819 Please note the following (located at the bottom of the page) The following lists have been discontinued as of February 20th, 2009: Click here for the archives of the Windows Dedicated Server Mailing List.Click here for the archives of the Linux Dedicated Server Mailing List. For active discussion regarding Dedicated Servers, please visit the forums. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: mr.neosty...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:32:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I call shenanians Neil Voutt http://www.neilvoutt.com Sent from my iPhone On 9-Feb-09, at 4:24 PM, Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com wrote: Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com
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Ofcourse ;). That tab was a BRILLIANT idea! On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:12 PM, David Cousins scous...@blueyonder.co.ukwrote: I'd be willing to bet the custom tab would still be around if this had been discontinued before that cockup -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of msleeper Sent: 09 February 2009 10:02 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Just FYI, the mailing list has never been a Valve support line. Aside from very occasionally chiming in, and emailing when there are server updates, we are on our own here. As we should be, it's not their job to moderate the list. On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 22:58 +0100, Ronny Schedel wrote: A mailing list without Valve employes is pointless. - Original Message - From: Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I found this list on google groups. Looks like someone went to the trouble of creating one. http://groups.google.com/group/hlds-unoffical-mailing-list On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Kitteny Berk b...@hairy-arse.com wrote: ... Bugger. Someone want to set up a new list, y'know, so we don't have to wade through all the crap that seems to be on the forums? Alec Sanger wrote: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9427-OPFH-2819 Please note the following (located at the bottom of the page) The following lists have been discontinued as of February 20th, 2009: Click here for the archives of the Windows Dedicated Server Mailing List.Click here for the archives of the Linux Dedicated Server Mailing List. For active discussion regarding Dedicated Servers, please visit the forums. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: mr.neosty...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:32:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I call shenanians Neil Voutt http://www.neilvoutt.com Sent from my iPhone On 9-Feb-09, at 4:24 PM, Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com wrote: Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3839 (20090209) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
I've been on this list longer then most of you. Having Alfred here was a real treat, and there have been a few others that have come and gone over the years. But for the most part, we've been on our own. I don't really blame them for shutting the list down. Valve has made some unpopular decisions lately, and we on this list have not hesitated to tell Valve how stupid we though they were for doing whatever they were doing. I think it started going downhill back about the time Valve decided to push Steam on us. There was a huge pushback, but Valve didn't care - they did it anyhow. Likewise for several other decisions they have made that have been less then popular with us. Steam seems to have worked out OK for the most part, but I can't say the same for other things they have done. I guess it doesn't really matter anymore. I for one won't be joining the forums. I don't have the tolerance for their Nazi moderators, which is why I left the verc forums a long time ago. When this list goes away, I guess I'll be going away also. Can I get out the Thwack! stick one last time, and this time use it on Valve? - Original Message - From: Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists It hasn't had them for a while anyway. Ever since Alfred's been gone we never really get anything from actual Valve employees. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Ronny Schedel i...@ronny-schedel.de wrote: A mailing list without Valve employes is pointless. - Original Message - From: Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I found this list on google groups. Looks like someone went to the trouble of creating one. http://groups.google.com/group/hlds-unofficial-mailing-list On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Kitteny Berk b...@hairy-arse.com wrote: ... Bugger. Someone want to set up a new list, y'know, so we don't have to wade through all the crap that seems to be on the forums? Alec Sanger wrote: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9427-OPFH-2819 Please note the following (located at the bottom of the page) The following lists have been discontinued as of February 20th, 2009: Click here for the archives of the Windows Dedicated Server Mailing List.Click here for the archives of the Linux Dedicated Server Mailing List. For active discussion regarding Dedicated Servers, please visit the forums. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: mr.neosty...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:32:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I call shenanians Neil Voutt http://www.neilvoutt.com Sent from my iPhone On 9-Feb-09, at 4:24 PM, Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com wrote: Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
perhaps valve don't want to release new updates anymore :) they just bring back that custom tab and then its over... -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of DontWannaName! Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 11:35 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Does that mean we cant get special release notes for updates anymore :( From: Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 12:51:31 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists tonjohn? Is that you? Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 12:38:58 -0800 From: sp.tonj...@gmail.com To: hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds_li...@valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th. After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the forums listed below. Windows server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc) Linux server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc) If you have not already done so, please register a forum accounthttp://forums.steampowered.com/forums/register.php . NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing. -BurtonJ Valve Software ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows LiveT: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
I learned a lot from this list, join around the 1.5 days say won shutdown, release of hl2 and the custom tab discussions. I was mostly a listener, I do remember when Alfred would answer e-mails. Thanks a lot guys I will take look at the steam forum Most likely never use it. but as far as I am concerned valves statements about supporting server admins and mod authors just became untrue and an all out lie to me. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Ook Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 5:29 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I've been on this list longer then most of you. Having Alfred here was a real treat, and there have been a few others that have come and gone over the years. But for the most part, we've been on our own. I don't really blame them for shutting the list down. Valve has made some unpopular decisions lately, and we on this list have not hesitated to tell Valve how stupid we though they were for doing whatever they were doing. I think it started going downhill back about the time Valve decided to push Steam on us. There was a huge pushback, but Valve didn't care - they did it anyhow. Likewise for several other decisions they have made that have been less then popular with us. Steam seems to have worked out OK for the most part, but I can't say the same for other things they have done. I guess it doesn't really matter anymore. I for one won't be joining the forums. I don't have the tolerance for their Nazi moderators, which is why I left the verc forums a long time ago. When this list goes away, I guess I'll be going away also. Can I get out the Thwack! stick one last time, and this time use it on Valve? s ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Yeah, I remember the WON shutdown fiasco. I joined back when TFC and DM ruled, and no one knew much about this quirky mod called Counter-Strike. I remember the day then the total number of HL servers online reached the 1000 mark. I think there were only 500 or so when I first got started. Is the Steam server browser on the fritz, or are there really ten times are many CS servers as there are CS:Source servers? - Original Message - From: mu...@anbservers.net mu...@anbservers.net To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I learned a lot from this list, join around the 1.5 days say won shutdown, release of hl2 and the custom tab discussions. I was mostly a listener, I do remember when Alfred would answer e-mails. Thanks a lot guys I will take look at the steam forum Most likely never use it. but as far as I am concerned valves statements about supporting server admins and mod authors just became untrue and an all out lie to me. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Ook Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 5:29 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I've been on this list longer then most of you. Having Alfred here was a real treat, and there have been a few others that have come and gone over the years. But for the most part, we've been on our own. I don't really blame them for shutting the list down. Valve has made some unpopular decisions lately, and we on this list have not hesitated to tell Valve how stupid we though they were for doing whatever they were doing. I think it started going downhill back about the time Valve decided to push Steam on us. There was a huge pushback, but Valve didn't care - they did it anyhow. Likewise for several other decisions they have made that have been less then popular with us. Steam seems to have worked out OK for the most part, but I can't say the same for other things they have done. I guess it doesn't really matter anymore. I for one won't be joining the forums. I don't have the tolerance for their Nazi moderators, which is why I left the verc forums a long time ago. When this list goes away, I guess I'll be going away also. Can I get out the Thwack! stick one last time, and this time use it on Valve? s ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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No :/ Even without the valve responses, this mailing list was still useful even just for browsing and picking things up from what other people asked. Having the messages just in your inbox was so handy, I doubt I will frequent a forum. :( -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Burton Johnsey Sent: 09 February 2009 20:39 To: hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.com; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list; hlds_li...@valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th. After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the forums listed below. Windows server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc) Linux server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc) If you have not already done so, please register a forum accounthttp://forums.steampowered.com/forums/register.php . NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing. -BurtonJ Valve Software ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I'm happy to set up a mailing list for everyone to continue to use. It obviously won't be an official valve list, but if you'd like to continue with the emails I'll set one up. I won't if you guys don't want/need it though. I personally find it very helpful. Much more helpful than the steam forums Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: m...@dcsb.co.uk To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 23:49:38 + Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists No :/ Even without the valve responses, this mailing list was still useful even just for browsing and picking things up from what other people asked. Having the messages just in your inbox was so handy, I doubt I will frequent a forum. :( -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Burton Johnsey Sent: 09 February 2009 20:39 To: hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.com; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list; hlds_li...@valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th. After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the forums listed below. Windows server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc) Linux server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc) If you have not already done so, please register a forum accounthttp://forums.steampowered.com/forums/register.php . NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing. -BurtonJ Valve Software ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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That quote doesn't appear anywhere on that webpage. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds- boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Alec Sanger Sent: 09 February 2009 21:35 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9427-OPFH-2819 Please note the following (located at the bottom of the page) The following lists have been discontinued as of February 20th, 2009: Click here for the archives of the Windows Dedicated Server Mailing List.Click here for the archives of the Linux Dedicated Server Mailing List. For active discussion regarding Dedicated Servers, please visit the forums. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: mr.neosty...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:32:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I call shenanians Neil Voutt http://www.neilvoutt.com Sent from my iPhone On 9-Feb-09, at 4:24 PM, Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com wrote: Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows LiveT: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks _022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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oh what the hell... for whatever reason it was changed back... great now i look like an idiot Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: gamead...@127001.org To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:56:12 + Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists That quote doesn't appear anywhere on that webpage. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds- boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Alec Sanger Sent: 09 February 2009 21:35 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9427-OPFH-2819 Please note the following (located at the bottom of the page) The following lists have been discontinued as of February 20th, 2009: Click here for the archives of the Windows Dedicated Server Mailing List.Click here for the archives of the Linux Dedicated Server Mailing List. For active discussion regarding Dedicated Servers, please visit the forums. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: mr.neosty...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:32:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I call shenanians Neil Voutt http://www.neilvoutt.com Sent from my iPhone On 9-Feb-09, at 4:24 PM, Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com wrote: Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows LiveT: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks _022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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It was definitely there before, strange. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of gamead...@127001.org Sent: Tuesday, 10 February 2009 11:56 AM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists That quote doesn't appear anywhere on that webpage. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds- boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Alec Sanger Sent: 09 February 2009 21:35 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9427-OPFH-2819 Please note the following (located at the bottom of the page) The following lists have been discontinued as of February 20th, 2009: Click here for the archives of the Windows Dedicated Server Mailing List.Click here for the archives of the Linux Dedicated Server Mailing List. For active discussion regarding Dedicated Servers, please visit the forums. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: mr.neosty...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:32:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I call shenanians Neil Voutt http://www.neilvoutt.com Sent from my iPhone On 9-Feb-09, at 4:24 PM, Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com wrote: Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows LiveT: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks _022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Don't beat yourself up. It was there before. Now it's not. Perhaps they are rethinking this? -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Alec Sanger Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 5:01 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists oh what the hell... for whatever reason it was changed back... great now i look like an idiot Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: gamead...@127001.org To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:56:12 + Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists That quote doesn't appear anywhere on that webpage. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds- boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Alec Sanger Sent: 09 February 2009 21:35 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9427-OPFH-2819 Please note the following (located at the bottom of the page) The following lists have been discontinued as of February 20th, 2009: Click here for the archives of the Windows Dedicated Server Mailing List.Click here for the archives of the Linux Dedicated Server Mailing List. For active discussion regarding Dedicated Servers, please visit the forums. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: mr.neosty...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:32:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I call shenanians Neil Voutt http://www.neilvoutt.com Sent from my iPhone On 9-Feb-09, at 4:24 PM, Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com wrote: Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows LiveT: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks _022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows LiveT: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_0220 09 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Incidentally, I still had the page open in another tab. Here's a screenshot for posterity: http://www.2fort2furious.com/images/20090209-mailinglist.png Ryan On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: oh what the hell... for whatever reason it was changed back... great now i look like an idiot Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: gamead...@127001.org To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:56:12 + Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists That quote doesn't appear anywhere on that webpage. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds- boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Alec Sanger Sent: 09 February 2009 21:35 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9427-OPFH-2819 Please note the following (located at the bottom of the page) The following lists have been discontinued as of February 20th, 2009: Click here for the archives of the Windows Dedicated Server Mailing List.Click here for the archives of the Linux Dedicated Server Mailing List. For active discussion regarding Dedicated Servers, please visit the forums. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: mr.neosty...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:32:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I call shenanians Neil Voutt http://www.neilvoutt.com Sent from my iPhone On 9-Feb-09, at 4:24 PM, Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com wrote: Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows LiveT: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks _022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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proof! i'm not crazy! Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:07:51 -0800 From: floormas...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Incidentally, I still had the page open in another tab. Here's a screenshot for posterity: http://www.2fort2furious.com/images/20090209-mailinglist.png Ryan On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: oh what the hell... for whatever reason it was changed back... great now i look like an idiot Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: gamead...@127001.org To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:56:12 + Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists That quote doesn't appear anywhere on that webpage. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds- boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Alec Sanger Sent: 09 February 2009 21:35 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9427-OPFH-2819 Please note the following (located at the bottom of the page) The following lists have been discontinued as of February 20th, 2009: Click here for the archives of the Windows Dedicated Server Mailing List.Click here for the archives of the Linux Dedicated Server Mailing List. For active discussion regarding Dedicated Servers, please visit the forums. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: mr.neosty...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:32:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I call shenanians Neil Voutt http://www.neilvoutt.com Sent from my iPhone On 9-Feb-09, at 4:24 PM, Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com wrote: Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows LiveT: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks _022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
Well, at least it's not mass hallucination, just valve fsking with us. Ryan Mannion wrote: Incidentally, I still had the page open in another tab. Here's a screenshot for posterity: http://www.2fort2furious.com/images/20090209-mailinglist.png Ryan On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: oh what the hell... for whatever reason it was changed back... great now i look like an idiot Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: gamead...@127001.org To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:56:12 + Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists That quote doesn't appear anywhere on that webpage. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds- boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Alec Sanger Sent: 09 February 2009 21:35 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9427-OPFH-2819 Please note the following (located at the bottom of the page) The following lists have been discontinued as of February 20th, 2009: Click here for the archives of the Windows Dedicated Server Mailing List.Click here for the archives of the Linux Dedicated Server Mailing List. For active discussion regarding Dedicated Servers, please visit the forums. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: mr.neosty...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:32:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I call shenanians Neil Voutt http://www.neilvoutt.com Sent from my iPhone On 9-Feb-09, at 4:24 PM, Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com wrote: Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows LiveT: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks _022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
Just so google finds it in more locations, I saved it to my clan site. http://www.hawaiiansamurai.com/img/20090209-mailinglist.png -mauirixxx Ps: Alec even crazy people think they're not crazy. ;) -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Alec Sanger Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:11 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists proof! i'm not crazy! Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:07:51 -0800 From: floormas...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Incidentally, I still had the page open in another tab. Here's a screenshot for posterity: http://www.2fort2furious.com/images/20090209-mailinglist.png Ryan On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: oh what the hell... for whatever reason it was changed back... great now i look like an idiot Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: gamead...@127001.org To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:56:12 + Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists That quote doesn't appear anywhere on that webpage. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds- boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Alec Sanger Sent: 09 February 2009 21:35 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9427-OPFH-281 9 Please note the following (located at the bottom of the page) The following lists have been discontinued as of February 20th, 2009: Click here for the archives of the Windows Dedicated Server Mailing List.Click here for the archives of the Linux Dedicated Server Mailing List. For active discussion regarding Dedicated Servers, please visit the forums. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: mr.neosty...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:32:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I call shenanians Neil Voutt http://www.neilvoutt.com Sent from my iPhone On 9-Feb-09, at 4:24 PM, Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com wrote: Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows LiveT: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howi tworks _022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live(tm): E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitwo rks_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live(tm): E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_ 022009
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
well they probably thought we would complain about the issue but since being forced we would just start using the forums. However since now we have plans to use other methods besides their forums they might be rethinking on shutting it down to keep us from moving away from their systems. that probably doesn't make sense, but the muffins are ready to be pulled from the oven =P Alec Sanger wrote: proof! i'm not crazy! Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:07:51 -0800 From: floormas...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Incidentally, I still had the page open in another tab. Here's a screenshot for posterity: http://www.2fort2furious.com/images/20090209-mailinglist.png Ryan On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: oh what the hell... for whatever reason it was changed back... great now i look like an idiot Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: gamead...@127001.org To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:56:12 + Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists That quote doesn't appear anywhere on that webpage. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds- boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Alec Sanger Sent: 09 February 2009 21:35 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9427-OPFH-2819 Please note the following (located at the bottom of the page) The following lists have been discontinued as of February 20th, 2009: Click here for the archives of the Windows Dedicated Server Mailing List.Click here for the archives of the Linux Dedicated Server Mailing List. For active discussion regarding Dedicated Servers, please visit the forums. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: mr.neosty...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:32:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I call shenanians Neil Voutt http://www.neilvoutt.com Sent from my iPhone On 9-Feb-09, at 4:24 PM, Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com wrote: Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows LiveT: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks _022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
I saw it too...you're not not crazy. Well, maybe you are, but not because of that :) And it's gone now. WTF? Someone messing with us? - Original Message - From: Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists proof! i'm not crazy! Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:07:51 -0800 From: floormas...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Incidentally, I still had the page open in another tab. Here's a screenshot for posterity: http://www.2fort2furious.com/images/20090209-mailinglist.png Ryan On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: oh what the hell... for whatever reason it was changed back... great now i look like an idiot Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: gamead...@127001.org To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:56:12 + Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists That quote doesn't appear anywhere on that webpage. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds- boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Alec Sanger Sent: 09 February 2009 21:35 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9427-OPFH-2819 Please note the following (located at the bottom of the page) The following lists have been discontinued as of February 20th, 2009: Click here for the archives of the Windows Dedicated Server Mailing List.Click here for the archives of the Linux Dedicated Server Mailing List. For active discussion regarding Dedicated Servers, please visit the forums. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: mr.neosty...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:32:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I call shenanians Neil Voutt http://www.neilvoutt.com Sent from my iPhone On 9-Feb-09, at 4:24 PM, Evan Kaufman evan.kauf...@gmail.com wrote: Ditto, since that's really THE most useful thing about this list. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like to know this On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, Burton. What about receiving notification of updates? Please tell me we will still be able to receive these via email. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows LiveT: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks _022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
I threatened Valve with the Thwack! stick. They wet themselves and recanted... - Original Message - From: Kitteny Berk b...@hairy-arse.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Well, at least it's not mass hallucination, just valve fsking with us. Ryan Mannion wrote: Incidentally, I still had the page open in another tab. Here's a screenshot for posterity: http://www.2fort2furious.com/images/20090209-mailinglist.png Ryan On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: oh what the hell... for whatever reason it was changed back... great now i look like an idiot Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
Well, that explains the wet patch and funny smell. Ook wrote: I threatened Valve with the Thwack! stick. They wet themselves and recanted... - Original Message - From: Kitteny Berk b...@hairy-arse.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Well, at least it's not mass hallucination, just valve fsking with us. Ryan Mannion wrote: Incidentally, I still had the page open in another tab. Here's a screenshot for posterity: http://www.2fort2furious.com/images/20090209-mailinglist.png Ryan On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: oh what the hell... for whatever reason it was changed back... great now i look like an idiot Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
Ook, didn't you run Op4 servers for the longest time? mauirixxx -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Ook Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:21 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I threatened Valve with the Thwack! stick. They wet themselves and recanted... - Original Message - From: Kitteny Berk b...@hairy-arse.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Well, at least it's not mass hallucination, just valve fsking with us. Ryan Mannion wrote: Incidentally, I still had the page open in another tab. Here's a screenshot for posterity: http://www.2fort2furious.com/images/20090209-mailinglist.png Ryan On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: oh what the hell... for whatever reason it was changed back... great now i look like an idiot Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
Given the feedback received from the list, we are holding off migrating the mailing lists to the forums. The intent of migrating to the forums was to leverage the benefits and features of the forums to further strengthen the community, giving us a central spot to gather feedback. The forum software is continually being updated by vBulletin and is flexible enough to also allow us to add our own features. To address a couple of specific concerns about the forums: - Membership - We can keep the membership in the DS forums private so that random forum users cannot post. - Moderation - We can assign moderators for specific forums. Moderators would be volunteers from the current mailing list participants. - Forum server performance - We have upgraded the system that runs the forums and we do not experience the lag we were experiencing in the past - The forums are accessible to more people than the mailing list. We want to make things better, not worse. We appreciate any further feedback you have to offer. -Original Message- From: Burton Johnsey Date: Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:38 PM Subject: Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists To: hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.commailto:hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.com, Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.commailto:hlds@list.valvesoftware.com, hlds_li...@valvesoftware.commailto:hlds_li...@valvesoftware.com We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th. After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the forums listed below. Windows server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc) Linux server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc) If you have not already done so, please register a forum accounthttp://forums.steampowered.com/forums/register.php. NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing. -BurtonJ Valve Software ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
I still do :) OoksServer.no-ip.info:27015 Ooks Steaming Pile of Crap My girls and their friends play on it all the time, plus I have a small following of die-hard OP4 players that just won't go away. - Original Message - From: Rick Payton r...@mai-hawaii.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Ook, didn't you run Op4 servers for the longest time? mauirixxx -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Ook Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:21 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I threatened Valve with the Thwack! stick. They wet themselves and recanted... - Original Message - From: Kitteny Berk b...@hairy-arse.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Well, at least it's not mass hallucination, just valve fsking with us. Ryan Mannion wrote: Incidentally, I still had the page open in another tab. Here's a screenshot for posterity: http://www.2fort2furious.com/images/20090209-mailinglist.png Ryan On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: oh what the hell... for whatever reason it was changed back... great now i look like an idiot Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
Thanks Another consideration with the forum change, would we be being held to the same rules as everyone else? I'm not sure of the forum rules, but one of the more useful features of the list is that we can share, say, server crasher's steam IDs without having to resort to private messages. If we won a warning/ban every time we mentioned a problem user's steam ID, that wouldn't be great. Cheers Burton Johnsey wrote: Given the feedback received from the list, we are holding off migrating the mailing lists to the forums. The intent of migrating to the forums was to leverage the benefits and features of the forums to further strengthen the community, giving us a central spot to gather feedback. The forum software is continually being updated by vBulletin and is flexible enough to also allow us to add our own features. To address a couple of specific concerns about the forums: - Membership - We can keep the membership in the DS forums private so that random forum users cannot post. - Moderation - We can assign moderators for specific forums. Moderators would be volunteers from the current mailing list participants. - Forum server performance - We have upgraded the system that runs the forums and we do not experience the lag we were experiencing in the past - The forums are accessible to more people than the mailing list. We want to make things better, not worse. We appreciate any further feedback you have to offer. -Original Message- From: Burton Johnsey Date: Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:38 PM Subject: Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists To: hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.commailto:hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.com, Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.commailto:hlds@list.valvesoftware.com, hlds_li...@valvesoftware.commailto:hlds_li...@valvesoftware.com We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th. After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the forums listed below. Windows server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc) Linux server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc) If you have not already done so, please register a forum accounthttp://forums.steampowered.com/forums/register.php. NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing. -BurtonJ Valve Software ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
Thanks for the reply Burton. This is good news to hear. These are my thoughts: - Membership--yes...I do like the membership idea. I think it's most of our fears that this list gets thrown in with all of the forum trollers that are out there. - Moderation--Also yesIf we keep this list, I would like to see more moderation, if possible. But...if the move to forums must be made, the proper moderation will keep things on point and helpful to all of us. - Forum Server Performance--I have seen an improvement to the forums and can understand why you would want to take advantage of that. - I think the main idea behind the mailing list (at least for me) was the ability to get an email when Valve posted on it. We used to get heads up's when a update was incoming. To be able to get this on my blackberry and inform my staff to get readywell, that was very very useful in keeping a busy set of servers. Having forumsit will be more difficult. Unlessthere was a usergroup on the forums devoted to Server Admins...in which, a Valve employee could send an email to that usergroup so that everyone gets a no-reply email informing us of the update. I just thought of that. Might be a good idea. Either wayI love Valve games and love running servers, so I'll go where you guys go. Regards, Aaron Rapp -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Burton Johnsey Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 5:42 PM To: 'hlds@list.valvesoftware.com' Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Given the feedback received from the list, we are holding off migrating the mailing lists to the forums. The intent of migrating to the forums was to leverage the benefits and features of the forums to further strengthen the community, giving us a central spot to gather feedback. The forum software is continually being updated by vBulletin and is flexible enough to also allow us to add our own features. To address a couple of specific concerns about the forums: - Membership - We can keep the membership in the DS forums private so that random forum users cannot post. - Moderation - We can assign moderators for specific forums. Moderators would be volunteers from the current mailing list participants. - Forum server performance - We have upgraded the system that runs the forums and we do not experience the lag we were experiencing in the past - The forums are accessible to more people than the mailing list. We want to make things better, not worse. We appreciate any further feedback you have to offer. -Original Message- From: Burton Johnsey Date: Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:38 PM Subject: Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists To: hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.commailto:hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.com, Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.commailto:hlds@list.valvesoftware.com, hlds_li...@valvesoftware.commailto:hlds_li...@valvesoftware.com We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th. After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the forums listed below. Windows server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc) Linux server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc) If you have not already done so, please register a forum accounthttp://forums.steampowered.com/forums/register.php. NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing. -BurtonJ Valve Software ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
Burton, Thanks for the reply! I think we were assuming more of a 'too-many-vocal-idiots' reason for your decision moreso than your logical one. I certainly agree that there are many aspects to a forum that would help the community, but, at the same time, there are many of us that manage our own communities and are not keen on having another bookmarked forum to go and visit. The mailing list method not only keeps it more 'exclusive' (there is a great sentiment that having people who arn't serious server administrators in the discussion will cause a lot of issues), but also keeps it pushed to our personal emails and is a lot more direct and helpful for this kind of discussion. Now go fix that lag bug. ;) - Neph On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Burton Johnsey bur...@valvesoftware.com wrote: Given the feedback received from the list, we are holding off migrating the mailing lists to the forums. The intent of migrating to the forums was to leverage the benefits and features of the forums to further strengthen the community, giving us a central spot to gather feedback. The forum software is continually being updated by vBulletin and is flexible enough to also allow us to add our own features. To address a couple of specific concerns about the forums: - Membership - We can keep the membership in the DS forums private so that random forum users cannot post. - Moderation - We can assign moderators for specific forums. Moderators would be volunteers from the current mailing list participants. - Forum server performance - We have upgraded the system that runs the forums and we do not experience the lag we were experiencing in the past - The forums are accessible to more people than the mailing list. We want to make things better, not worse. We appreciate any further feedback you have to offer. -Original Message- From: Burton Johnsey Date: Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:38 PM Subject: Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists To: hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.commailto:hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.com, Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.commailto:hlds@list.valvesoftware.com, hlds_li...@valvesoftware.commailto:hlds_li...@valvesoftware.com We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th. After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the forums listed below. Windows server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc) Linux server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc) If you have not already done so, please register a forum accounthttp://forums.steampowered.com/forums/register.php. NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing. -BurtonJ Valve Software ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
Thank you very much Burton. You brought up my main concern with the forums. http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81 I do my best to make the transition and the first post to my thread is a stupid you posted in the wrong place. We need a place that is strictly dedicated to server operators with the sole purpose of working as a community to figure out answers to issues. I feel that a membership only section for server operators would be a great step in the right direction. It would also be nice to have certain abilities in there. Uploading certain files, such as text, dump files, images, and other non-executable files. We have a LOT of incredibly smart people with amazing ideas on the HLDS mailing list. What the list is lacking is organization, and the forum would really help with that. Allowing responses to subscribed threads to be sent to our emails would also be a great help. Instantly receiving and following certain posts is something I really enjoy about this list. Again, thank you very much for reconsidering this. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: bur...@valvesoftware.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:41:39 -0800 Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Given the feedback received from the list, we are holding off migrating the mailing lists to the forums. The intent of migrating to the forums was to leverage the benefits and features of the forums to further strengthen the community, giving us a central spot to gather feedback. The forum software is continually being updated by vBulletin and is flexible enough to also allow us to add our own features. To address a couple of specific concerns about the forums: - Membership - We can keep the membership in the DS forums private so that random forum users cannot post. - Moderation - We can assign moderators for specific forums. Moderators would be volunteers from the current mailing list participants. - Forum server performance - We have upgraded the system that runs the forums and we do not experience the lag we were experiencing in the past - The forums are accessible to more people than the mailing list. We want to make things better, not worse. We appreciate any further feedback you have to offer. -Original Message- From: Burton Johnsey Date: Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:38 PM Subject: Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists To: hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.commailto:hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.com, Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.commailto:hlds@list.valvesoftware.com, hlds_li...@valvesoftware.commailto:hlds_li...@valvesoftware.com We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th. After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the forums listed below. Windows server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc) Linux server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc) If you have not already done so, please register a forum accounthttp://forums.steampowered.com/forums/register.php. NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing. -BurtonJ Valve Software ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
Another advantage of mailing lists is the users have their own offline archive of all the discussions that can be tagged, indexed and searched by the users (as well as web-based list archives). With a forum, the data is held in only one place. This can make searching for things harder than it needs to be (I have a pretty low opinion of most forum search systems), especially if it turns out the reason you can't find the _really useful_ post is because the user edited it or it was attached to a thread that got derailed and deleted for racial abuse or similar. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds- boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Rapp Sent: 10 February 2009 01:56 To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Thanks for the reply Burton. This is good news to hear. These are my thoughts: - Membership--yes...I do like the membership idea. I think it's most of our fears that this list gets thrown in with all of the forum trollers that are out there. - Moderation--Also yesIf we keep this list, I would like to see more moderation, if possible. But...if the move to forums must be made, the proper moderation will keep things on point and helpful to all of us. - Forum Server Performance--I have seen an improvement to the forums and can understand why you would want to take advantage of that. - I think the main idea behind the mailing list (at least for me) was the ability to get an email when Valve posted on it. We used to get heads up's when a update was incoming. To be able to get this on my blackberry and inform my staff to get readywell, that was very very useful in keeping a busy set of servers. Having forumsit will be more difficult. Unlessthere was a usergroup on the forums devoted to Server Admins...in which, a Valve employee could send an email to that usergroup so that everyone gets a no-reply email informing us of the update. I just thought of that. Might be a good idea. Either wayI love Valve games and love running servers, so I'll go where you guys go. Regards, Aaron Rapp -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Burton Johnsey Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 5:42 PM To: 'hlds@list.valvesoftware.com' Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Given the feedback received from the list, we are holding off migrating the mailing lists to the forums. The intent of migrating to the forums was to leverage the benefits and features of the forums to further strengthen the community, giving us a central spot to gather feedback. The forum software is continually being updated by vBulletin and is flexible enough to also allow us to add our own features. To address a couple of specific concerns about the forums: - Membership - We can keep the membership in the DS forums private so that random forum users cannot post. - Moderation - We can assign moderators for specific forums. Moderators would be volunteers from the current mailing list participants. - Forum server performance - We have upgraded the system that runs the forums and we do not experience the lag we were experiencing in the past - The forums are accessible to more people than the mailing list. We want to make things better, not worse. We appreciate any further feedback you have to offer. -Original Message- From: Burton Johnsey Date: Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:38 PM Subject: Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists To: hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.commailto:hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.co m, Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.commailto:hlds@list.valvesoftware.com, hlds_li...@valvesoftware.commailto:hlds_li...@valvesoftware.com We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th. After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the forums listed below. Windows server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc) Linux server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc) If you have not already done so, please register a forum accounthttp://forums.steampowered.com/forums/register.php. NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing. -BurtonJ Valve Software ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
I think forums have an advantage over a mailing list (having been on this list for many years) in that newcomers can find answers to questions already answered, and other handy reference material can be kept around for others to read. One of the main benefits I found from being on this list however that was it is easy to interact with, given that I'm on email every day, I can quickly chime in to a conversation if I have something useful to offer. I already post on the Steam forums, find them easy and quick to use and load relatively quickly in my experience, and that's from Australia. Another benefit of the mailing list was the dedicated server update notifications which are always very handy (the time between an update being posted and our servers then being updated is usually only ten minutes) - from what I read though the hlds_announce@ list (which just contained server announcements) would have been kept around, which is great. I have also noticed Valve team members slowly drift away from this list, but that may be because there is a bit more noise (in the good sense) and the attention previously needed is no longer that necessary, as there are many people here who already reply with helpful answers. One thought I had regarding the forums was their separation; currently there are four forums (Windows/Linux srcds/hlds), when we currently have two mailing lists (hlds, hlds_linux). I'm not sure what would be best, but perhaps two forums may help consolidate the knowledge (the hlds/srcds forum would handle 90% of the support problems), with the linux forum handling linux-specific issues? Cheers, Andrew - Plasma -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Burton Johnsey Sent: Tuesday, 10 February 2009 12:42 PM To: 'hlds@list.valvesoftware.com' Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Given the feedback received from the list, we are holding off migrating the mailing lists to the forums. The intent of migrating to the forums was to leverage the benefits and features of the forums to further strengthen the community, giving us a central spot to gather feedback. The forum software is continually being updated by vBulletin and is flexible enough to also allow us to add our own features. To address a couple of specific concerns about the forums: - Membership - We can keep the membership in the DS forums private so that random forum users cannot post. - Moderation - We can assign moderators for specific forums. Moderators would be volunteers from the current mailing list participants. - Forum server performance - We have upgraded the system that runs the forums and we do not experience the lag we were experiencing in the past - The forums are accessible to more people than the mailing list. We want to make things better, not worse. We appreciate any further feedback you have to offer. -Original Message- From: Burton Johnsey Date: Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:38 PM Subject: Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists To: hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.commailto:hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.com, Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.commailto:hlds@list.valvesoftware.com, hlds_li...@valvesoftware.commailto:hlds_li...@valvesoftware.com We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th. After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the forums listed below. Windows server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc) Linux server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc) If you have not already done so, please register a forum accounthttp://forums.steampowered.com/forums/register.php. NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing. -BurtonJ Valve Software ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
One of the main benefits I found from being on this list however that was it is easy to interact with, given that I'm on email every day, I can quickly chime in to a conversation if I have something useful to offer. absolutely. what would be great would be a mailing list that would automatically post in the forum. That way we could participate through email like usual as well as through the steam website. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: and...@mammoth.com.au To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:24:39 +1100 Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists I think forums have an advantage over a mailing list (having been on this list for many years) in that newcomers can find answers to questions already answered, and other handy reference material can be kept around for others to read. One of the main benefits I found from being on this list however that was it is easy to interact with, given that I'm on email every day, I can quickly chime in to a conversation if I have something useful to offer. I already post on the Steam forums, find them easy and quick to use and load relatively quickly in my experience, and that's from Australia. Another benefit of the mailing list was the dedicated server update notifications which are always very handy (the time between an update being posted and our servers then being updated is usually only ten minutes) - from what I read though the hlds_announce@ list (which just contained server announcements) would have been kept around, which is great. I have also noticed Valve team members slowly drift away from this list, but that may be because there is a bit more noise (in the good sense) and the attention previously needed is no longer that necessary, as there are many people here who already reply with helpful answers. One thought I had regarding the forums was their separation; currently there are four forums (Windows/Linux srcds/hlds), when we currently have two mailing lists (hlds, hlds_linux). I'm not sure what would be best, but perhaps two forums may help consolidate the knowledge (the hlds/srcds forum would handle 90% of the support problems), with the linux forum handling linux-specific issues? Cheers, Andrew - Plasma -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Burton Johnsey Sent: Tuesday, 10 February 2009 12:42 PM To: 'hlds@list.valvesoftware.com' Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Given the feedback received from the list, we are holding off migrating the mailing lists to the forums. The intent of migrating to the forums was to leverage the benefits and features of the forums to further strengthen the community, giving us a central spot to gather feedback. The forum software is continually being updated by vBulletin and is flexible enough to also allow us to add our own features. To address a couple of specific concerns about the forums: - Membership - We can keep the membership in the DS forums private so that random forum users cannot post. - Moderation - We can assign moderators for specific forums. Moderators would be volunteers from the current mailing list participants. - Forum server performance - We have upgraded the system that runs the forums and we do not experience the lag we were experiencing in the past - The forums are accessible to more people than the mailing list. We want to make things better, not worse. We appreciate any further feedback you have to offer. -Original Message- From: Burton Johnsey Date: Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:38 PM Subject: Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists To: hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.commailto:hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.com, Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.commailto:hlds@list.valvesoftware.com, hlds_li...@valvesoftware.commailto:hlds_li...@valvesoftware.com We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th. After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the forums listed below. Windows server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc) Linux server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc) If you have not already done so, please register a forum accounthttp://forums.steampowered.com/forums/register.php. NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing. -BurtonJ Valve Software ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit
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Firstly, I like the idea quoted in the mail just below my message. Secondly, to Burton: I don't know how difficult it would be, but it would make things really nice if the list and the forums were linked. Basically, your email registered here and on the forums would be linked. Then, when you would send a message via the mailing list, it would be written to the forums along with replies. And, the other way around: New topics on the forums would get sent out just like making a new topic via the mailing list. Dunno how feasable it is, but it seemed like a good idea to me. -Atreus On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Aaron Rapp r...@iz3d.com wrote: Unlessthere was a usergroup on the forums devoted to Server Admins...in which, a Valve employee could send an email to that usergroup so that everyone gets a no-reply email informing us of the update. I just thought of that. Might be a good idea. Either wayI love Valve games and love running servers, so I'll go where you guys go. Regards, Aaron Rapp -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Burton Johnsey Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 5:42 PM To: 'hlds@list.valvesoftware.com' Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Given the feedback received from the list, we are holding off migrating the mailing lists to the forums. The intent of migrating to the forums was to leverage the benefits and features of the forums to further strengthen the community, giving us a central spot to gather feedback. The forum software is continually being updated by vBulletin and is flexible enough to also allow us to add our own features. To address a couple of specific concerns about the forums: - Membership - We can keep the membership in the DS forums private so that random forum users cannot post. - Moderation - We can assign moderators for specific forums. Moderators would be volunteers from the current mailing list participants. - Forum server performance - We have upgraded the system that runs the forums and we do not experience the lag we were experiencing in the past - The forums are accessible to more people than the mailing list. We want to make things better, not worse. We appreciate any further feedback you have to offer. -Original Message- From: Burton Johnsey Date: Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:38 PM Subject: Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists To: hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.commailto:hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.com, Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.commailto:hlds@list.valvesoftware.com, hlds_li...@valvesoftware.commailto:hlds_li...@valvesoftware.com We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th. After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the forums listed below. Windows server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc) Linux server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc) If you have not already done so, please register a forum accounthttp://forums.steampowered.com/forums/register.php. NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing. -BurtonJ Valve Software ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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the membership idea sounds good to keep kidies away but it also sounds like it can be bad also what method will be used to allow a members access to the section. i'm all for keeping idiots out but not making it hard for admins and server operators to get access. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Burton Johnsey bur...@valvesoftware.com wrote: Given the feedback received from the list, we are holding off migrating the mailing lists to the forums. The intent of migrating to the forums was to leverage the benefits and features of the forums to further strengthen the community, giving us a central spot to gather feedback. The forum software is continually being updated by vBulletin and is flexible enough to also allow us to add our own features. To address a couple of specific concerns about the forums: - Membership - We can keep the membership in the DS forums private so that random forum users cannot post. - Moderation - We can assign moderators for specific forums. Moderators would be volunteers from the current mailing list participants. - Forum server performance - We have upgraded the system that runs the forums and we do not experience the lag we were experiencing in the past - The forums are accessible to more people than the mailing list. We want to make things better, not worse. We appreciate any further feedback you have to offer. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Unlessthere was a usergroup on the forums devoted to Server Admins...in which, a Valve employee could send an email to that usergroup so that everyone gets a no-reply email informing us of the update. I just thought of that. Might be a good idea. This already exists, its hlds_announce@ - See http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_announce - Andrew -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Rapp Sent: Tuesday, 10 February 2009 12:56 PM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Thanks for the reply Burton. This is good news to hear. These are my thoughts: - Membership--yes...I do like the membership idea. I think it's most of our fears that this list gets thrown in with all of the forum trollers that are out there. - Moderation--Also yesIf we keep this list, I would like to see more moderation, if possible. But...if the move to forums must be made, the proper moderation will keep things on point and helpful to all of us. - Forum Server Performance--I have seen an improvement to the forums and can understand why you would want to take advantage of that. - I think the main idea behind the mailing list (at least for me) was the ability to get an email when Valve posted on it. We used to get heads up's when a update was incoming. To be able to get this on my blackberry and inform my staff to get readywell, that was very very useful in keeping a busy set of servers. Having forumsit will be more difficult. Unlessthere was a usergroup on the forums devoted to Server Admins...in which, a Valve employee could send an email to that usergroup so that everyone gets a no-reply email informing us of the update. I just thought of that. Might be a good idea. Either wayI love Valve games and love running servers, so I'll go where you guys go. Regards, Aaron Rapp -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Burton Johnsey Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 5:42 PM To: 'hlds@list.valvesoftware.com' Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists Given the feedback received from the list, we are holding off migrating the mailing lists to the forums. The intent of migrating to the forums was to leverage the benefits and features of the forums to further strengthen the community, giving us a central spot to gather feedback. The forum software is continually being updated by vBulletin and is flexible enough to also allow us to add our own features. To address a couple of specific concerns about the forums: - Membership - We can keep the membership in the DS forums private so that random forum users cannot post. - Moderation - We can assign moderators for specific forums. Moderators would be volunteers from the current mailing list participants. - Forum server performance - We have upgraded the system that runs the forums and we do not experience the lag we were experiencing in the past - The forums are accessible to more people than the mailing list. We want to make things better, not worse. We appreciate any further feedback you have to offer. -Original Message- From: Burton Johnsey Date: Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:38 PM Subject: Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists To: hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.commailto:hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.com, Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.commailto:hlds@list.valvesoftware.com, hlds_li...@valvesoftware.commailto:hlds_li...@valvesoftware.com We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th. After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the forums listed below. Windows server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc) Linux server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc) If you have not already done so, please register a forum accounthttp://forums.steampowered.com/forums/register.php. NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing. -BurtonJ Valve Software ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http
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WellI thought a little farther on the idea, and it could be as follows: - We set up moderators beforehand. Seeing as the moderators will be picked in the beginning, there could end up being a probationary period for them. - The job of the moderators will be two fold. It will take time, but that's what it takes to be a Valve moderator. - The moderators will upkeep any usergroup requests. The requests will need to contain some info about the server they run. (i.e. Server Name, IP, company or community if applicable). If the server is only up sometimes, maybe a link to gametracker.com will show us how legit the server is. - And then, of course, the moderators will, in fact, moderate the forums. - Server admins will be required to keep at least one of their server IP's within their signature to stay on the list. This will allow moderators to purge the list, if need be. - A PM to a moderator with the request of being removed from the listwill be the easy way to be removed. I think there's a certain harmony with this. Linking email to the forums is a good idea toobut I don't think it's possible. I've not heard of this before, and I think it would be a big security breach within the Steam forums as well. (i.e. not having to be logged in to make a post, etc.) Aaron Rapp -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Micheals Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 6:53 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists the membership idea sounds good to keep kidies away but it also sounds like it can be bad also what method will be used to allow a members access to the section. i'm all for keeping idiots out but not making it hard for admins and server operators to get access. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Burton Johnsey bur...@valvesoftware.com wrote: Given the feedback received from the list, we are holding off migrating the mailing lists to the forums. The intent of migrating to the forums was to leverage the benefits and features of the forums to further strengthen the community, giving us a central spot to gather feedback. The forum software is continually being updated by vBulletin and is flexible enough to also allow us to add our own features. To address a couple of specific concerns about the forums: - Membership - We can keep the membership in the DS forums private so that random forum users cannot post. - Moderation - We can assign moderators for specific forums. Moderators would be volunteers from the current mailing list participants. - Forum server performance - We have upgraded the system that runs the forums and we do not experience the lag we were experiencing in the past - The forums are accessible to more people than the mailing list. We want to make things better, not worse. We appreciate any further feedback you have to offer. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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One flaw with your statment... The Valve forums don't have signatures (as far as I know.) It would be nice if server admins were able to display their server names in the forums though, to get people interested, and it would get the forums more used by server admins since they could actually promote their servers (unlike now where if you promote your server you get it removed or get banned or both.) I still don't know if I completely agree with moving over to the forums...after a major release the forums are extremely slow, and trying to use them during this time is painful, at best. @Burton - Membership - We can keep the membership in the DS forums private so that random forum users cannot post. As far as this goes, I think that would be best, I don't know how exactly authentication would work, but you might have to have the admin authenticate themselves by changing their hostname to something, sort of like GameTracker does now, where you have to change your hostname and then click the claim button on their site to claim the server to their username. Unfortunately, anyone can setup a server just to join the listing, but there are probably ways this could be controlled. - Moderation - We can assign moderators for specific forums. Moderators would be volunteers from the current mailing list participants. I'd love to see volunteers from the actual mailing list being used as moderators...they're server operators and they (for the most part) understand how servers work and can be a better gague of issues rather than assigned moderators that don't know anything about actually running a server. - Forum server performance - We have upgraded the system that runs the forums and we do not experience the lag we were experiencing in the past I'll admit, I haven't been on the forums in a while, but when the scout pack releases I'll take a look-see. I just remember it being extremely bad at times. - The forums are accessible to more people than the mailing list. Sorta kinda. Certain people will want to use email because it's more of a push system, rather than a you go look for it system. It allows admins to keep in contact with one another without having to go to a website and look through the forum for what they want...plus, when it's in an email format, you can easily keep it archived and search later, whereas a forum may be purged or information may get lost in it, a lot of times due to the actual forum's search engine being sub-par. Sometimes websites are blocked by certain providers, and email generally can always get through, where an actual site would not, though I don't think it would be much of an issue. -Cc2iscooL On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Aaron Rapp r...@iz3d.com wrote: WellI thought a little farther on the idea, and it could be as follows: - We set up moderators beforehand. Seeing as the moderators will be picked in the beginning, there could end up being a probationary period for them. - The job of the moderators will be two fold. It will take time, but that's what it takes to be a Valve moderator. - The moderators will upkeep any usergroup requests. The requests will need to contain some info about the server they run. (i.e. Server Name, IP, company or community if applicable). If the server is only up sometimes, maybe a link to gametracker.com will show us how legit the server is. - And then, of course, the moderators will, in fact, moderate the forums. - Server admins will be required to keep at least one of their server IP's within their signature to stay on the list. This will allow moderators to purge the list, if need be. - A PM to a moderator with the request of being removed from the listwill be the easy way to be removed. I think there's a certain harmony with this. Linking email to the forums is a good idea toobut I don't think it's possible. I've not heard of this before, and I think it would be a big security breach within the Steam forums as well. (i.e. not having to be logged in to make a post, etc.) Aaron Rapp -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Micheals Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 6:53 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists the membership idea sounds good to keep kidies away but it also sounds like it can be bad also what method will be used to allow a members access to the section. i'm all for keeping idiots out but not making it hard for admins and server operators to get access. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Burton Johnsey bur...@valvesoftware.com wrote: Given the feedback received from the list, we are holding off migrating the mailing lists to the forums. The intent of migrating to the forums was to leverage the benefits and features of the forums to further strengthen the community, giving us
Re: [hlds] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
You don't need another other than an e-mail address to sign up for the mailing list, so I don't why it should require anything more to gain access to the members-only section. - Sam Horn 2009/2/10 Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com I love the fact that I can get updates from the list via email. It looks like a lot of admins use blackbarrys or iPhones and the ability to use that to interact with the list is crucial. Another nice thing about this list is that it's made up of mostly mature server admins and not a lot of the general public so as bad as it gets we don't have to deal with to many non-stop B.S. sessions. A section where you have to be a member would be a great idea. Now we would just need some way to qualify someone that wants to join On Feb 9, 2009, at 7:41 PM, Burton Johnsey bur...@valvesoftware.com wrote: Given the feedback received from the list, we are holding off migrating the mailing lists to the forums. The intent of migrating to the forums was to leverage the benefits and features of the forums to further strengthen the community, giving us a central spot to gather feedback. The forum software is continually being updated by vBulletin and is flexible enough to also allow us to add our own features. To address a couple of specific concerns about the forums: - Membership - We can keep the membership in the DS forums private so that random forum users cannot post. - Moderation - We can assign moderators for specific forums. Moderators would be volunteers from the current mailing list participants. - Forum server performance - We have upgraded the system that runs the forums and we do not experience the lag we were experiencing in the past - The forums are accessible to more people than the mailing list. We want to make things better, not worse. We appreciate any further feedback you have to offer. -Original Message- From: Burton Johnsey Date: Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:38 PM Subject: Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists To: hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.commailto: hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.com , Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com mailto:hlds@list.valvesoftware.com, hlds_li...@valvesoftware.com mailto:hlds_li...@valvesoftware.com We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th. After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the forums listed below. Windows server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc) Linux server discussion should be conducted here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source) http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc) If you have not already done so, please register a forum account http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/register.php . NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing. -BurtonJ Valve Software ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Sent from my iPhone ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
