Re: [hlds] Vac update?_hackers
Vac bans by memory scan, not by score... Might be admin?? - Original Message - From: K. Mike Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 6:05 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Vac update?_hackers Once ... Just Once ... I got 17 to 0 and was banned. I am an above average player. When u see 32 to 1 you know it's a crock. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Fencik Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 2:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Vac update?_hackers It's also natural for players to have streaks. I have never used a cheat, but I will very often go on a 5-7 man killing streak, then get pwned for a couple minutes, and cycle again. Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Vac update?_hackers Yeah but there are stealth hackers everywhere. They keep the hacks off until they get in to trouble with another player. You know ... 5 HP and you're the only one left. I've seen many people come in to a server and get a great streak ... 12 to 0 or 1 lets say. Then ease off after that and only turn on hacks to keep the best score / ratio. The problem is far worse than any of you admins think. I am sure you and many other players say oh yeah ... He's cool. I've watched him. But chances are he aint. Every time VAC or any other anti-cheat was updated, scores across the world dropped by 50 % until new hacks were written. These are statistical averages that can't be argued away. I would wager over 3/4 of all CS players have hacks loaded and use them at least once in a while. I ran a server at my office on T1 and personally loaded 20 guys PC's with CS. We would play starting at 3:30PM each day. After about six months I found hacks loaded on several PC's and wrote a script to remove or damage them automatically. The half the guys started playing from home. LOL People can't resist cheating. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Devin Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 8:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] Vac update?_hackers Lets face it VAC has been a total washout. Each VAC update we get gives us four hours of no cheating ... That's it. Valve does not have the programming resources to keep up with the hackers who write this stuff for free. All of the anti cheat detections have failed ... The hackers have won. We can either set up our servers with a password and invite friends or maybe we all should hack to make it even. THAT WOULD BE A LAUGH EH It would totally ruin any hacks now and in the future if we all used them. Level playing field once again OR Have admins on your server, i ran a server for 3 years, my ban list grew and grew, so did my list of regulars who liked playing on a fair admined server... eventually you weed out the tards and have a clean server... VAC/CD/HLguard just help you NEED an admin there as much as possible. By the end I had such a concise ban list, I rarely saw a hacker at all, maybe once a month, and this was with a server always half full of non-regs. That's the only way to truely show hackers the front door... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Munoz Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 5:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Now I have an interesting situation. One of My most trusted and oldest Admins is being accused of hacking. I spec'd him and made a demo plus I have my trusty HLTV demo recording as always. But the truth is I still don't know if he was hacking or not. He denies it of course. Part of what I thought was a speed hack turned out to be an Exploit of the other Admins discovered and didn't tell anyone about. It is an exploit with a plugin called Force Mod. As in Starwars Force. This guy is very good, always has been. One of the few players that can give me a hard time on my server. He basically owns the # 1 slot in all our stats. The map is Starwars2. This server has been one the few dedicated Starwars2 servers for about 2 years. He is one of the original players and knows the map better than most. He claims he just shoots at certain spots on the walls in the hopes of hitting someone. My son does the same thing and I know for a fact my son Does NOT hack. This Admin of mine caught my attention because he was using the clan tag [myG0t]. He says he was trying to get Hackers to admit they were hacking, which he did and promptly banned them for it! Lol Isn't that entrapment? Now if VAC was up to date this might not have ever been a issue. I will gladly provide the link to DL these demos if anyone is interested in putting their 2 cents in. Please keep in mind that this is a Fun server though usually run pretty strictly. Low Gravity is the Norm there (it is a space map!) I already have verified that he is Not using a speed hack as I first assumed. I am going to see if there is an update for that plugin or fix it myself. Meanwhile he is suspended from admin privileges until I review more demos of him playing. Sorry for the long drawn out post But I am actually getting a bit stressed from this! Mike ParaDOX Munoz www.paradisesgarage.com As I posted here earlier, I had exactly the problem you're describing. It is stressful because a cheating admin is the fastest way to stop people from having fun on your server. A guy I thought was a good admin was being accused of cheating almost every day. He played during the day when I couldn't, so we had an admin on the server most of the time, and the server became pretty popular as a result. He was banning people on a daily basis according to the logs, and most of them were people I had my eye on because I suspected them of cheating, but for one reason or another I couldn't catch them. Unfortunately I found out later that he banned some for disrespecting him. Like your admin, he held the number one spot in the stats. He got one or two aimbot warnings from HLGuard about every other game. I've never cheated in my life and I got warnings once in a while, so it was no big deal. This was a WON server, and in the middle of July when WON's days were numbered, I announced in the MOTD that the server would be converting to Steam by the end of the week. My admin suddenly disappeared for no apparent reason. During a routine check of the HLGuard logs, I discovered several aimbot warnings for my admin, and he was BANNED! So much for trusting people. Another thing...I ran Statsme on my WON server. I quickly discovered that any stats mod is a hack magnet. AT LEAST 30% of my regulars turned out to be cheaters. When I removed Statsme at least 30% more stopped coming to my server, which was fine with me. Those who are only worried about their stats make the worst teammates and the best whiners. If your admin is cheating then you will probably have a very hard time catching him. Here's a clue though: When you're both on, start spectating. If he's cheating he'll probably find an excuse to spectate with you or stop playing, or even change classes so that cheats are harder to spot. Looking back, my admin did this a lot. Now that you've suspended him though he's going to be more careful than ever. VAC will never be able to catch every cheater, but like HLGuard, it's better than nothing. HL mods are the most popular in the world, which is a double-edged sword. On one hand, good news for Valve, incentive to keep improving the game, and plenty of good servers for players. On the other hand, a great challenge for cheat authors and easy for bad players to find hacks. The reality is, it's going to be cat-and-mouse on pubs as long as they exist. We can only hope Valve develops the resources to keep up with them before they destroy the game for everyone. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hmm. Maybe the admin used amx_blank on the opposite Team. LOL Mike Munoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have since reviewed the demo several more times and also chose some demos at random, and not once was there any Clear cut instance of That was definitely AIMBOT! He was using an Exploit (Force Speed) that one of my other Admins found and told me about, he had even posted it in my Admin Forums. I forgot about it. So all of them were using it to some degree... That will stop today I assure you! I am however accusing him of Admin Abuse, but I am letting him off with time served, and posting new policies for my Admins. I will fix that Exploit as soon as I have time. I do have a temporary measure that will prevent the Exploit from working. Also he knew an Admin was spectating him and he asked who it was on the Admin Chat, I didn't answer. He seemed confident that he wasn't hacking so he continued doing what he was doing. He say's he was trying to lure the Hackers into a false sense of security. It worked, he did get some of them to admin they were hacking. Then he banned them. He is definitely a Stats Whore! But I am too, I was # 4 last night on the ingame Stats and currently #17 out of 5782 in 30 days. He is of course #1 in both... I have NEVER Hacked/Cheated. I despise it. I have researched them though so as to better understand them and how they work. I think most good Admins has a need to know at least the basics... http://www.paradisesgarage.com/stats/main/ - for your amusement... Oh well... I will be watching them like a hawk for the next few weeks. We'll see what happens. Mike ParaDOX Munoz www.paradisesgarage.com -Original Message- From: Dennis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 11:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Munoz Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 5:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Now I have an interesting situation. One of My most trusted and oldest Admins is being accused of hacking. I spec'd him and made a demo plus I have my trusty HLTV demo recording as always. But the truth is I still don't know if he was hacking or not. He denies it of course. Part of what I thought was a speed hack turned out to be an Exploit of the other Admins discovered and didn't tell anyone about. It is an exploit with a plugin called Force Mod. As in Starwars Force. This guy is very good, always has been. One of the few players that can give me a hard time on my server. He basically owns the # 1 slot in all our stats. The map is Starwars2. This server has been one the few dedicated Starwars2 servers for about 2 years. He is one of the original players and knows the map better than most. He claims he just shoots at certain spots on the walls in the hopes of hitting someone. My son does the same thing and I know for a fact my son Does NOT hack. This Admin of mine caught my attention because he was using the clan tag [myG0t]. He says he was trying to get Hackers to admit they were hacking, which he did and promptly banned them for it! Lol Isn't that entrapment? Now if VAC was up to date this might not have ever been a issue. I will gladly provide the link to DL these demos if anyone is interested in putting their 2 cents in. Please keep in mind that this is a Fun server though usually run pretty strictly. Low Gravity is the Norm there (it is a space map!) I already have verified that he is Not using a speed hack as I first assumed. I am going to see if there is an update for that plugin or fix it myself. Meanwhile he is suspended from admin privileges until I review more demos of him playing. Sorry for the long drawn out post But I am actually getting a bit stressed from this! Mike ParaDOX Munoz www.paradisesgarage.com As I posted here earlier, I had exactly the problem you're describing. It is stressful because a cheating admin is the fastest way to stop people from having fun on your server. A guy I thought was a good admin was being accused of cheating almost every day. He played during the day when I couldn't, so we had an admin on the server most of the time, and the server became pretty popular as a result. He was banning people on a daily basis according to the logs, and most of them were people I had my eye on because I suspected them of cheating, but for one reason or another I couldn't catch them. Unfortunately I found out later that he banned some for disrespecting him. Like your admin, he held the number one spot in the stats. He got one or two aimbot warnings from HLGuard about every other game. I've never cheated in my life and I got warnings once in a while, so it was no big deal. This was a WON server, and in the middle of July when WON's days were numbered, I announced in the MOTD that the server would be converting
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
This is gettin off topic ? VAC hasn't updated in months... who do we contact for vac updating? From: CorpseHumper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:56:01 -0700 (PDT) OK, I apologize for my earlier comments. I thought I was being flamed at a little, but I was mistaken. THIS person is lighting a real fire!! Wow... OWNED. Corpse --- Darren J. Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, who crawled up your ass - mr. better than everyone, never played on anyone's server except his own!?! Some of us do happen to step outside into the light once in a while and play on servers other than our own. Bugger off loser. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Whisper . Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 7:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] Umm, the easy solution to that problem of blatant hacks is, Be the Server Admin. If you are not the server admin or a server admin, one has to ask what are you doing here? Original Message Follows From: Darren J. Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 07:31:07 -0700 I have thus far refused to participate in the everyone hacks thread, but last nights CS experience has left me so freakin mad that I need to vent somewhere! I play only on a few servers, all West Coast. We definately have been visited time to time by super-good players, and very infrequently by someone with very questionable skills. Most of the servers are regulars so we know everyone who plays there and the regs usually pressure the hacks away pretty quickly. Last night I jump on for a few rounds before bed. Headshot, headshot, headshot, headshot - my whole freakin team dead, and all this within about 2 seconds of round start. A player named knife was using every hack imaginable: speed, aimbot, wall, everything! Typically when someone is this blatant, everyone will vote him off fairly quickly. Last night the regs were the minority and no one on the other team would vote against this guy. This totally pissed me off. I was cussing everyone out, and eventually started taunting the other players because they wouldn't vote against him. I really didn't get it. This guy would kill everyone on my team within 1-2 seconds and no one on his team would kill anyone. They wouldn't even get a shot off - how the heck can that be fun for anyone? But they wouldn't vote him off! One of my favorite servers ruined by a freak hack and loser opponents who obviously liked standing around doing nothing. wow. So there's my vent / rant / etc. Hopefully, VAC will continue to improve and somehow, somewhere, servers will become a better place to play. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Timothy Lynn Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? K. Mike Bradley wrote: I said 3/4 have DL'ed and used cheats at least once in a while. 50% cheat all the time either because they are cheaters at heart or because they want to even the playing field when playing other cheaters. The numbers are growing because of all the cheaters. Hey Mike, you want to start, I don't know, bringing some data with ya when you make these ridiculous claims? If one admin out two respond after this saying that like me, they don't cheat, will you be quiet then? And while you're at it... You may or may not have noticed this, but this isn't a forum, it's a listsrv, and adding a one line response on top of about 22K of misquoted and mangled crap is about the most useless thing a learned admin could do. There are people who get the digest of the list and when you make posts like you did it completely destroys any sense of continuity and needlessly bloats the digests. Not to mention there are people on the list who have metered usage, so downloading all these over-quoted responses does them no favors either. You're using Outlook, so take a look at the great program Outlook Quotefix at http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/. It'll automatically do things like strip out signatures and listsrv footers (assuming they're properly delineated by --), put a sensible quote header in, word wrap stuff, and move your cursor beneath quoted material automatically. All you need to do is pick out the stuff you don't want quoted and delete it, a task that takes about 5 seconds. -- Tim ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
It is you know!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 11:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] VAC Update? K. Mike Bradley wrote: -- As far as the clever or marginal hackers go (those who simply turn on the hacks from time to time) we can only hope that, as hack detection improves, they have to keep trying to get new CD keys to get back in the game. -- All hope is lost ... VAC is not being updated one tenth of what would be needed. These hack writers update their hacks within 4 hours of a VAC update so I see why Valve has given up. I say again ... Right now MyGOT is ravaging CS world. This is happening on Secure servers. People are NOT getting banned, therefore many DL it to stay in the game. The sky is falling!! The sky is falling!! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
VAC hasn't been updated cause they gave up. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Manshun Tong Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 8:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? This is gettin off topic ? VAC hasn't updated in months... who do we contact for vac updating? From: CorpseHumper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:56:01 -0700 (PDT) OK, I apologize for my earlier comments. I thought I was being flamed at a little, but I was mistaken. THIS person is lighting a real fire!! Wow... OWNED. Corpse --- Darren J. Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, who crawled up your ass - mr. better than everyone, never played on anyone's server except his own!?! Some of us do happen to step outside into the light once in a while and play on servers other than our own. Bugger off loser. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Whisper . Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 7:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] Umm, the easy solution to that problem of blatant hacks is, Be the Server Admin. If you are not the server admin or a server admin, one has to ask what are you doing here? Original Message Follows From: Darren J. Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 07:31:07 -0700 I have thus far refused to participate in the everyone hacks thread, but last nights CS experience has left me so freakin mad that I need to vent somewhere! I play only on a few servers, all West Coast. We definately have been visited time to time by super-good players, and very infrequently by someone with very questionable skills. Most of the servers are regulars so we know everyone who plays there and the regs usually pressure the hacks away pretty quickly. Last night I jump on for a few rounds before bed. Headshot, headshot, headshot, headshot - my whole freakin team dead, and all this within about 2 seconds of round start. A player named knife was using every hack imaginable: speed, aimbot, wall, everything! Typically when someone is this blatant, everyone will vote him off fairly quickly. Last night the regs were the minority and no one on the other team would vote against this guy. This totally pissed me off. I was cussing everyone out, and eventually started taunting the other players because they wouldn't vote against him. I really didn't get it. This guy would kill everyone on my team within 1-2 seconds and no one on his team would kill anyone. They wouldn't even get a shot off - how the heck can that be fun for anyone? But they wouldn't vote him off! One of my favorite servers ruined by a freak hack and loser opponents who obviously liked standing around doing nothing. wow. So there's my vent / rant / etc. Hopefully, VAC will continue to improve and somehow, somewhere, servers will become a better place to play. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Timothy Lynn Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? K. Mike Bradley wrote: I said 3/4 have DL'ed and used cheats at least once in a while. 50% cheat all the time either because they are cheaters at heart or because they want to even the playing field when playing other cheaters. The numbers are growing because of all the cheaters. Hey Mike, you want to start, I don't know, bringing some data with ya when you make these ridiculous claims? If one admin out two respond after this saying that like me, they don't cheat, will you be quiet then? And while you're at it... You may or may not have noticed this, but this isn't a forum, it's a listsrv, and adding a one line response on top of about 22K of misquoted and mangled crap is about the most useless thing a learned admin could do. There are people who get the digest of the list and when you make posts like you did it completely destroys any sense of continuity and needlessly bloats the digests. Not to mention there are people on the list who have metered usage, so downloading all these over-quoted responses does them no favors either. You're using Outlook, so take a look at the great program Outlook Quotefix at http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/. It'll automatically do things like strip out signatures and listsrv footers (assuming they're properly delineated by --), put a sensible quote header in, word wrap stuff, and move your cursor beneath quoted material automatically. All you need to do is pick out the stuff you don't want quoted and delete it, a task that takes
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
Yes it makes me mad too. My whole point is that most admins only get the obvious hackers. So your response Umm, the easy solution to that problem of blatant hacks is, Be the Server Admin. Misses the whole point. What we're saying is that VAC is ineffective now and good people are cheating to compensate so cheating is at an all time high. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren J. Mason Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 11:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Wow, who crawled up your ass - mr. better than everyone, never played on anyone's server except his own!?! Some of us do happen to step outside into the light once in a while and play on servers other than our own. Bugger off loser. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] VAC Update?
your MOTHER GAVE UP BUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:22:08 -0400, K. Mike Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: VAC hasn't been updated cause they gave up. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Manshun Tong Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 8:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? This is gettin off topic ? VAC hasn't updated in months... who do we contact for vac updating? From: CorpseHumper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:56:01 -0700 (PDT) OK, I apologize for my earlier comments. I thought I was being flamed at a little, but I was mistaken. THIS person is lighting a real fire!! Wow... OWNED. Corpse --- Darren J. Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, who crawled up your ass - mr. better than everyone, never played on anyone's server except his own!?! Some of us do happen to step outside into the light once in a while and play on servers other than our own. Bugger off loser. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Whisper . Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 7:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] Umm, the easy solution to that problem of blatant hacks is, Be the Server Admin. If you are not the server admin or a server admin, one has to ask what are you doing here? Original Message Follows From: Darren J. Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 07:31:07 -0700 I have thus far refused to participate in the everyone hacks thread, but last nights CS experience has left me so freakin mad that I need to vent somewhere! I play only on a few servers, all West Coast. We definately have been visited time to time by super-good players, and very infrequently by someone with very questionable skills. Most of the servers are regulars so we know everyone who plays there and the regs usually pressure the hacks away pretty quickly. Last night I jump on for a few rounds before bed. Headshot, headshot, headshot, headshot - my whole freakin team dead, and all this within about 2 seconds of round start. A player named knife was using every hack imaginable: speed, aimbot, wall, everything! Typically when someone is this blatant, everyone will vote him off fairly quickly. Last night the regs were the minority and no one on the other team would vote against this guy. This totally pissed me off. I was cussing everyone out, and eventually started taunting the other players because they wouldn't vote against him. I really didn't get it. This guy would kill everyone on my team within 1-2 seconds and no one on his team would kill anyone. They wouldn't even get a shot off - how the heck can that be fun for anyone? But they wouldn't vote him off! One of my favorite servers ruined by a freak hack and loser opponents who obviously liked standing around doing nothing. wow. So there's my vent / rant / etc. Hopefully, VAC will continue to improve and somehow, somewhere, servers will become a better place to play. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Timothy Lynn Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? K. Mike Bradley wrote: I said 3/4 have DL'ed and used cheats at least once in a while. 50% cheat all the time either because they are cheaters at heart or because they want to even the playing field when playing other cheaters. The numbers are growing because of all the cheaters. Hey Mike, you want to start, I don't know, bringing some data with ya when you make these ridiculous claims? If one admin out two respond after this saying that like me, they don't cheat, will you be quiet then? And while you're at it... You may or may not have noticed this, but this isn't a forum, it's a listsrv, and adding a one line response on top of about 22K of misquoted and mangled crap is about the most useless thing a learned admin could do. There are people who get the digest of the list and when you make posts like you did it completely destroys any sense of continuity and needlessly bloats the digests. Not to mention there are people on the list who have metered usage, so downloading all these over-quoted responses does them no favors either. You're using Outlook, so take a look at the great program Outlook Quotefix at http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/. It'll automatically do things like strip out signatures and listsrv footers (assuming they're properly
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
I agree ... We should all adopt a policy of immediately leaving a hacked server. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Spartibus Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 11:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? It's people like yourself taking it to the extreme. Since there's no admin there, what do you do? Leave. Blatant hackers aren't there to be better than anyone else. They're there to annoy and destroy any pub game that's happening. You actually staying in the server and displaying your hate fuels this person to continue cheating on the server. There's more than one server out there. I understand it's a place you enjoy playing at, but you have to use common sense and just find a different place to play for the time being. --- On to the other point someone made. VAC isn't the end-all tool. You actually have to take matters into your own hands, instead of being lazy and rely on something to do every single thing for you. If you can't handle dealing with cheaters, don't admin a server. A lot of people fail to realize just how lucky we are to have a tool like VAC. Even though it's not updated as much as some of us may have wished (at least currently, I think some major changes will be made once Valve finishes its current projects), be happy to have this instead of nothing at all (or horrible, half-assed third party tools) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren J. Mason Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 7:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? I have thus far refused to participate in the everyone hacks thread, but last nights CS experience has left me so freakin mad that I need to vent somewhere! I play only on a few servers, all West Coast. We definately have been visited time to time by super-good players, and very infrequently by someone with very questionable skills. Most of the servers are regulars so we know everyone who plays there and the regs usually pressure the hacks away pretty quickly. Last night I jump on for a few rounds before bed. Headshot, headshot, headshot, headshot - my whole freakin team dead, and all this within about 2 seconds of round start. A player named knife was using every hack imaginable: speed, aimbot, wall, everything! Typically when someone is this blatant, everyone will vote him off fairly quickly. Last night the regs were the minority and no one on the other team would vote against this guy. This totally pissed me off. I was cussing everyone out, and eventually started taunting the other players because they wouldn't vote against him. I really didn't get it. This guy would kill everyone on my team within 1-2 seconds and no one on his team would kill anyone. They wouldn't even get a shot off - how the heck can that be fun for anyone? But they wouldn't vote him off! One of my favorite servers ruined by a freak hack and loser opponents who obviously liked standing around doing nothing. wow. So there's my vent / rant / etc. Hopefully, VAC will continue to improve and somehow, somewhere, servers will become a better place to play. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Timothy Lynn Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? K. Mike Bradley wrote: I said 3/4 have DL'ed and used cheats at least once in a while. 50% cheat all the time either because they are cheaters at heart or because they want to even the playing field when playing other cheaters. The numbers are growing because of all the cheaters. Hey Mike, you want to start, I don't know, bringing some data with ya when you make these ridiculous claims? If one admin out two respond after this saying that like me, they don't cheat, will you be quiet then? And while you're at it... You may or may not have noticed this, but this isn't a forum, it's a listsrv, and adding a one line response on top of about 22K of misquoted and mangled crap is about the most useless thing a learned admin could do. There are people who get the digest of the list and when you make posts like you did it completely destroys any sense of continuity and needlessly bloats the digests. Not to mention there are people on the list who have metered usage, so downloading all these over-quoted responses does them no favors either. You're using Outlook, so take a look at the great program Outlook Quotefix at http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/. It'll automatically do things like strip out signatures and listsrv footers (assuming they're properly delineated by --), put a sensible quote header in, word wrap stuff, and move your cursor beneath quoted material automatically. All you need to do is pick out the stuff you don't want quoted and delete it, a task that takes about 5 seconds. -- Tim ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
Now I have an interesting situation. One of My most trusted and oldest Admins is being accused of hacking. I spec'd him and made a demo plus I have my trusty HLTV demo recording as always. But the truth is I still don't know if he was hacking or not. He denies it of course. Part of what I thought was a speed hack turned out to be an Exploit of the other Admins discovered and didn't tell anyone about. It is an exploit with a plugin called Force Mod. As in Starwars Force. This guy is very good, always has been. One of the few players that can give me a hard time on my server. He basically owns the # 1 slot in all our stats. The map is Starwars2. This server has been one the few dedicated Starwars2 servers for about 2 years. He is one of the original players and knows the map better than most. He claims he just shoots at certain spots on the walls in the hopes of hitting someone. My son does the same thing and I know for a fact my son Does NOT hack. This Admin of mine caught my attention because he was using the clan tag [myG0t]. He says he was trying to get Hackers to admit they were hacking, which he did and promptly banned them for it! Lol Isn't that entrapment? Now if VAC was up to date this might not have ever been a issue. I will gladly provide the link to DL these demos if anyone is interested in putting their 2 cents in. Please keep in mind that this is a Fun server though usually run pretty strictly. Low Gravity is the Norm there (it is a space map!) I already have verified that he is Not using a speed hack as I first assumed. I am going to see if there is an update for that plugin or fix it myself. Meanwhile he is suspended from admin privileges until I review more demos of him playing. Sorry for the long drawn out post But I am actually getting a bit stressed from this! Mike ParaDOX Munoz www.paradisesgarage.com -Original Message- From: K. Mike Bradley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 3:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Yes it makes me mad too. My whole point is that most admins only get the obvious hackers. So your response Umm, the easy solution to that problem of blatant hacks is, Be the Server Admin. Misses the whole point. What we're saying is that VAC is ineffective now and good people are cheating to compensate so cheating is at an all time high. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren J. Mason Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 11:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Wow, who crawled up your ass - mr. better than everyone, never played on anyone's server except his own!?! Some of us do happen to step outside into the light once in a while and play on servers other than our own. Bugger off loser. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] VAC Update?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] This conversation reminds me of www.pwned.nl Rob Gabaree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: your MOTHER GAVE UP BUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:22:08 -0400, K. Mike Bradley wrote: VAC hasn't been updated cause they gave up. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Manshun Tong Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 8:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? This is gettin off topic ? VAC hasn't updated in months... who do we contact for vac updating? From: CorpseHumper Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:56:01 -0700 (PDT) OK, I apologize for my earlier comments. I thought I was being flamed at a little, but I was mistaken. THIS person is lighting a real fire!! Wow... OWNED. Corpse --- Darren J. Mason wrote: Wow, who crawled up your ass - mr. better than everyone, never played on anyone's server except his own!?! Some of us do happen to step outside into the light once in a while and play on servers other than our own. Bugger off loser. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Whisper . Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 7:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] Umm, the easy solution to that problem of blatant hacks is, Be the Server Admin. If you are not the server admin or a server admin, one has to ask what are you doing here? Original Message Follows From: Darren J. Mason Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 07:31:07 -0700 I have thus far refused to participate in the everyone hacks thread, but last nights CS experience has left me so freakin mad that I need to vent somewhere! I play only on a few servers, all West Coast. We definately have been visited time to time by super-good players, and very infrequently by someone with very questionable skills. Most of the servers are regulars so we know everyone who plays there and the regs usually pressure the hacks away pretty quickly. Last night I jump on for a few rounds before bed. Headshot, headshot, headshot, headshot - my whole freakin team dead, and all this within about 2 seconds of round start. A player named knife was using every hack imaginable: speed, aimbot, wall, everything! Typically when someone is this blatant, everyone will vote him off fairly quickly. Last night the regs were the minority and no one on the other team would vote against this guy. This totally pissed me off. I was cussing everyone out, and eventually started taunting the other players because they wouldn't vote against him. I really didn't get it. This guy would kill everyone on my team within 1-2 seconds and no one on his team would kill anyone. They wouldn't even get a shot off - how the heck can that be fun for anyone? But they wouldn't vote him off! One of my favorite servers ruined by a freak hack and loser opponents who obviously liked standing around doing nothing. wow. So there's my vent / rant / etc. Hopefully, VAC will continue to improve and somehow, somewhere, servers will become a better place to play. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Timothy Lynn Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? K. Mike Bradley wrote: I said 3/4 have DL'ed and used cheats at least once in a while. 50% cheat all the time either because they are cheaters at heart or because they want to even the playing field when playing other cheaters. The numbers are growing because of all the cheaters. Hey Mike, you want to start, I don't know, bringing some data with ya when you make these ridiculous claims? If one admin out two respond after this saying that like me, they don't cheat, will you be quiet then? And while you're at it... You may or may not have noticed this, but this isn't a forum, it's a listsrv, and adding a one line response on top of about 22K of misquoted and mangled crap is about the most useless thing a learned admin could do. There are people who get the digest of the list and when you make posts like you did it completely destroys any sense of continuity and needlessly bloats the digests. Not to mention there are people on the list who have metered usage, so downloading all these over-quoted responses does them no favors either. You're using Outlook, so take a look at the great program Outlook Quotefix at http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/. It'll automatically do things like strip out signatures
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
Don't you be talkin bout my Moma! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Gabaree Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 4:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] VAC Update? your MOTHER GAVE UP BUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:22:08 -0400, K. Mike Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: VAC hasn't been updated cause they gave up. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Manshun Tong Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 8:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? This is gettin off topic ? VAC hasn't updated in months... who do we contact for vac updating? From: CorpseHumper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:56:01 -0700 (PDT) OK, I apologize for my earlier comments. I thought I was being flamed at a little, but I was mistaken. THIS person is lighting a real fire!! Wow... OWNED. Corpse --- Darren J. Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, who crawled up your ass - mr. better than everyone, never played on anyone's server except his own!?! Some of us do happen to step outside into the light once in a while and play on servers other than our own. Bugger off loser. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Whisper . Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 7:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] Umm, the easy solution to that problem of blatant hacks is, Be the Server Admin. If you are not the server admin or a server admin, one has to ask what are you doing here? Original Message Follows From: Darren J. Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 07:31:07 -0700 I have thus far refused to participate in the everyone hacks thread, but last nights CS experience has left me so freakin mad that I need to vent somewhere! I play only on a few servers, all West Coast. We definately have been visited time to time by super-good players, and very infrequently by someone with very questionable skills. Most of the servers are regulars so we know everyone who plays there and the regs usually pressure the hacks away pretty quickly. Last night I jump on for a few rounds before bed. Headshot, headshot, headshot, headshot - my whole freakin team dead, and all this within about 2 seconds of round start. A player named knife was using every hack imaginable: speed, aimbot, wall, everything! Typically when someone is this blatant, everyone will vote him off fairly quickly. Last night the regs were the minority and no one on the other team would vote against this guy. This totally pissed me off. I was cussing everyone out, and eventually started taunting the other players because they wouldn't vote against him. I really didn't get it. This guy would kill everyone on my team within 1-2 seconds and no one on his team would kill anyone. They wouldn't even get a shot off - how the heck can that be fun for anyone? But they wouldn't vote him off! One of my favorite servers ruined by a freak hack and loser opponents who obviously liked standing around doing nothing. wow. So there's my vent / rant / etc. Hopefully, VAC will continue to improve and somehow, somewhere, servers will become a better place to play. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Timothy Lynn Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? K. Mike Bradley wrote: I said 3/4 have DL'ed and used cheats at least once in a while. 50% cheat all the time either because they are cheaters at heart or because they want to even the playing field when playing other cheaters. The numbers are growing because of all the cheaters. Hey Mike, you want to start, I don't know, bringing some data with ya when you make these ridiculous claims? If one admin out two respond after this saying that like me, they don't cheat, will you be quiet then? And while you're at it... You may or may not have noticed this, but this isn't a forum, it's a listsrv, and adding a one line response on top of about 22K of misquoted and mangled crap is about the most useless thing a learned admin could do. There are people who get the digest of the list and when you make posts like you did it completely destroys any sense of continuity and needlessly bloats the digests. Not to mention there are people on the list who have metered usage, so downloading all these over-quoted responses does them no favors either. You're using
Re: [hlds] VAC Update?
Erm... ok. they didn't give up.. they're workin on it.. im sure From: Rob Gabaree [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] VAC Update? Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:41:18 -0400 your MOTHER GAVE UP BUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:22:08 -0400, K. Mike Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: VAC hasn't been updated cause they gave up. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Manshun Tong Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 8:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? This is gettin off topic ? VAC hasn't updated in months... who do we contact for vac updating? From: CorpseHumper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:56:01 -0700 (PDT) OK, I apologize for my earlier comments. I thought I was being flamed at a little, but I was mistaken. THIS person is lighting a real fire!! Wow... OWNED. Corpse --- Darren J. Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, who crawled up your ass - mr. better than everyone, never played on anyone's server except his own!?! Some of us do happen to step outside into the light once in a while and play on servers other than our own. Bugger off loser. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Whisper . Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 7:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] Umm, the easy solution to that problem of blatant hacks is, Be the Server Admin. If you are not the server admin or a server admin, one has to ask what are you doing here? Original Message Follows From: Darren J. Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 07:31:07 -0700 I have thus far refused to participate in the everyone hacks thread, but last nights CS experience has left me so freakin mad that I need to vent somewhere! I play only on a few servers, all West Coast. We definately have been visited time to time by super-good players, and very infrequently by someone with very questionable skills. Most of the servers are regulars so we know everyone who plays there and the regs usually pressure the hacks away pretty quickly. Last night I jump on for a few rounds before bed. Headshot, headshot, headshot, headshot - my whole freakin team dead, and all this within about 2 seconds of round start. A player named knife was using every hack imaginable: speed, aimbot, wall, everything! Typically when someone is this blatant, everyone will vote him off fairly quickly. Last night the regs were the minority and no one on the other team would vote against this guy. This totally pissed me off. I was cussing everyone out, and eventually started taunting the other players because they wouldn't vote against him. I really didn't get it. This guy would kill everyone on my team within 1-2 seconds and no one on his team would kill anyone. They wouldn't even get a shot off - how the heck can that be fun for anyone? But they wouldn't vote him off! One of my favorite servers ruined by a freak hack and loser opponents who obviously liked standing around doing nothing. wow. So there's my vent / rant / etc. Hopefully, VAC will continue to improve and somehow, somewhere, servers will become a better place to play. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Timothy Lynn Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? K. Mike Bradley wrote: I said 3/4 have DL'ed and used cheats at least once in a while. 50% cheat all the time either because they are cheaters at heart or because they want to even the playing field when playing other cheaters. The numbers are growing because of all the cheaters. Hey Mike, you want to start, I don't know, bringing some data with ya when you make these ridiculous claims? If one admin out two respond after this saying that like me, they don't cheat, will you be quiet then? And while you're at it... You may or may not have noticed this, but this isn't a forum, it's a listsrv, and adding a one line response on top of about 22K of misquoted and mangled crap is about the most useless thing a learned admin could do. There are people who get the digest of the list and when you make posts like you did it completely destroys any sense of continuity and needlessly bloats the digests. Not to mention there are people on the list who have metered usage, so downloading all these over-quoted responses does them no favors either. You're using Outlook, so take
Re: [hlds] VAC Update?
I started to try and be funny and simply send a one word reply that said HACKER. I had 3 servers running 1.5 up until they shut down the WON auth servers. Two of them were really popular and stayed packed constantly (my IRC channel actually had people in it waiting for open slots). The only way I've found to completely safeguard your server from malicious cheaters is to have a butt-load of trusted admins. For the 2 main servers, I had built a list of over 40 admins. At any given time of the day or night, I was likely to have 2-3 admins on each server. Sure, I had occasional admin fights and abuse complaints. I would have to post things on my forums reminding admins of the rules from time-to-time. But it's better than having some hacking faggot join your server, go 40-0 and run everyone out of there. As far as the clever or marginal hackers go (those who simply turn on the hacks from time to time) we can only hope that, as hack detection improves, they have to keep trying to get new CD keys to get back in the game. As long as they aren't scaring off the rest of my regulars, it doesn't matter as much. I've had regulars that ended-up getting banned because their cousin came over and downloaded hacks onto their computer and got them banned. That's just a cover story for the fact that VAC updated and they got banned as soon as they joined. Cut your losses and ban their new ID also. They can't be trusted. They're either lying about it, or too stupid for words. Software programs and patches can only do so much to help us out. They can thin the herd of hackers down to a managable level. Beyond that, it takes real human intervention and monitoring. Sure... sometimes good players get banned just because they're good players. You wanna know something? If they're so good that the n00bs are leaving the server in frustration, it's time to boot them anyway. I'd rather boot one innocent good player and save my newbie population. Then again... all of my servers have n00bfest in the title. ;-) CorpseHumper http://www.CorpseHumper.com --- Guido Rainuzzo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, i always thought about posting about this (months ago) and now i will share what i have to say, I will not lie, but i have cheated before. But, the world changes, so as cheats. I host a superhero server, and sometimes it takes hours if people hack, i have been begging for a VAC update, but one day i figured out that the cheats are going to evolve just as VAC does. Then one day i got my steam id banned after an update ( i am not a smart cheater ) Well, i got a copy of counter-strike, and played, and as time went by, everyone started to notice the increasement of people hacking, and hacking, and hacking. One day i decide to install skins in my cs, and i get my steam id banned, i buy a copy of CZ just for the CS:Source and i play again. I have quit playing cs. There are too many cheaters. And that about people getting banned because they're just good, it happened to me once and only once and its probably going to be my only one. Also, i dont think that 3/4 of the cs population cheats, i think it is much less then 1/3 , but what i do know is that it is increasing. I hope the people at Valve are reading these posts, we really , really , need an update. A reason in the increasements is the shut down of WON, i do believe that at least 3/4 of the cs population in WON did cheat, but a big reason that there's more cheaters in 1.6 servers is the 1.5ers moving on. Someone here said that he had to go into at least 5 different servers for there not to be any blatant cheaters, i think your exagerating a little bit there. But then again, your could be not exagerating if you went into an insecure server, which i do not see any point into going in one of those unleess you have your steam id banned. Well, that's what i think, but we should push valve for an update, stand up for the non-cheating cs-community. __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
Yes the ak has a built in aim bot -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper . Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 1:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] Its the SIG and the AK The AK is a 1 shot headshot beast right out to extreme range. The SIG has the best aimbot recoil pattern of any gun that does real damage. Original Message Follows From: K. Mike Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:23:56 -0400 I said 3/4 have DL'ed and used cheats at least once in a while. 50% cheat all the time either because they are cheaters at heart or because they want to even the playing field when playing other cheaters. The numbers are growing because of all the cheaters. Once you DL and install that hack, it's hard not to use it if you can turn it on and off. Especially when your last man against 3 or more bad guys. PS: ever notice how most hackers are on Terrorist team? Maybe it's a personality thing? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Spartibus Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 12:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? When I want to play I go thru 5 servers before I find one w/o Blatant hackers. That's complete BS. I pub at least once a day, and NEVER (and I mean EVER, not even in 1.3) did I go into more than 2 pubs in succession that had blatant cheaters in them. Your assumptions are BS as well. 3/4 of the entire CS population, cheaters? It's FAR, FAR less than that. You are exaggerating pretty much everything you say. The only possible way I can see you going into 5 servers and having a **BLATANT** hacker in every one of them is if you join ONLY insecure servers. Why? Because insecure servers basically allow any and every cheat to work (and at full potential), period. You probably don't know this because you've never used cheats before, but VAC SEVERELY limits what cheats can do. I've used cheats before (hah), and let me tell you the difference. Insecure Servers: You can practically see people from spawn to spawn (wallhack), people are always on screen. Secure Servers: A lot of times the only time you see someone behind a wall is if you see them out in the open first, and then go behind the wall. Other times you have to rely on them making noise or moving a lot in order to be seen behind the wall. Also, you usually can't see them from that far away, and the cheats are limited hugely by this (obviously it's still an insanely huge advantage, though). VAC has more purposes than just catching people cheating, it serves as a wallhack block as well. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 7:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Yes you are. Right now Hackers rule just about any server they want. Secure servers too. Most who use hacks are obvious and get banned. It's the stealth hackers. The ones who are good at not getting caught. The wall hacks and aim bots. When I want to play I go thru 5 servers before I find one w/o Blatant hackers. It's really bad right now. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 8:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Lets face it VAC has been a total washout. Each VAC update we get gives us four hours of no cheating ... That's it. Valve does not have the programming resources to keep up with the hackers who write this stuff for free. All of the anti cheat detections have failed ... The hackers have won. Wait a minute...am I wrong, or doesn't VAC ban cheaters for one year? If this is true, then the cheaters are always being weeded out, right? Even when the script kiddies find new cheats not yet detected by VAC, they're still banned. Am I missing something? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
-- As far as the clever or marginal hackers go (those who simply turn on the hacks from time to time) we can only hope that, as hack detection improves, they have to keep trying to get new CD keys to get back in the game. -- All hope is lost ... VAC is not being updated one tenth of what would be needed. These hack writers update their hacks within 4 hours of a VAC update so I see why Valve has given up. I say again ... Right now MyGOT is ravaging CS world. This is happening on Secure servers. People are NOT getting banned, therefore many DL it to stay in the game. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Hey Mike, you want to start, I don't know, bringing some data with ya when you make these ridiculous claims? If one admin out two respond after this saying that like me, they don't cheat, will you be quiet then? No I won't be quiet. What I am saying is that many people like you do indeed believe that less people actually hack. I say they have you all fooled because they hack covertly. I have been on Secure Servers and spec'ed hackers. I know because I see this new dithering of the cross hairs to avoid aim detection. The admins on these servers sweared they knew this person and that this hacker would never hack. They were fooled. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I agree but I did say I had to go to an average of 5 Secure servers before I found a clean one. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Guido Rainuzzo Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] VAC Update? Well, i always thought about posting about this (months ago) and now i will share what i have to say, I will not lie, but i have cheated before. But, the world changes, so as cheats. I host a superhero server, and sometimes it takes hours if people hack, i have been begging for a VAC update, but one day i figured out that the cheats are going to evolve just as VAC does. Then one day i got my steam id banned after an update ( i am not a smart cheater ) Well, i got a copy of counter-strike, and played, and as time went by, everyone started to notice the increasement of people hacking, and hacking, and hacking. One day i decide to install skins in my cs, and i get my steam id banned, i buy a copy of CZ just for the CS:Source and i play again. I have quit playing cs. There are too many cheaters. And that about people getting banned because they're just good, it happened to me once and only once and its probably going to be my only one. Also, i dont think that 3/4 of the cs population cheats, i think it is much less then 1/3 , but what i do know is that it is increasing. I hope the people at Valve are reading these posts, we really , really , need an update. A reason in the increasements is the shut down of WON, i do believe that at least 3/4 of the cs population in WON did cheat, but a big reason that there's more cheaters in 1.6 servers is the 1.5ers moving on. Someone here said that he had to go into at least 5 different servers for there not to be any blatant cheaters, i think your exagerating a little bit there. But then again, your could be not exagerating if you went into an insecure server, which i do not see any point into going in one of those unleess you have your steam id banned. Well, that's what i think, but we should push valve for an update, stand up for the non-cheating cs-community. - Guido Rainuzzo - Original Message - From: K. Mike Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:08 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Spart my friend I was talking about secure servers. This MyGOT thing is real bad right now. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Spartibus Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 12:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? When I want to play I go thru 5 servers before I find one w/o Blatant hackers. That's complete BS. I pub at least once a day, and NEVER (and I mean EVER, not even in 1.3) did I go into more than 2 pubs in succession that had blatant cheaters in them. Your assumptions are BS as well. 3/4 of the entire CS population, cheaters? It's FAR, FAR less than that. You are exaggerating pretty much everything you say. The only possible way I can see you going into 5 servers and having a **BLATANT** hacker in every one of them is if you join ONLY insecure servers. Why? Because insecure servers basically allow any and every cheat to work (and at full potential), period. You probably don't know this because you've never used cheats before, but VAC SEVERELY limits what cheats can do. I've used cheats before (hah), and let me tell you the difference. Insecure Servers: You can practically see people from spawn to spawn (wallhack), people are always on screen. Secure Servers: A lot of times the only time you see someone behind a wall is if you see them out in the open first, and then go behind the wall. Other times you have to rely on them making noise or moving a lot in order to be seen behind the wall. Also, you usually can't see them from that far away, and the cheats are limited hugely by this (obviously it's still an insanely huge advantage, though). VAC has more purposes than just catching people cheating, it serves as a wallhack block as well. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 7:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Yes you are. Right now Hackers rule just about any server they want. Secure servers too. Most who use hacks are obvious and get banned. It's the stealth hackers. The ones who are good at not getting caught. The wall hacks and aim bots. When I want to play I go thru 5 servers before I find one w/o Blatant hackers. It's really bad right now. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of K. Mike
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
Wow, who crawled up your ass - mr. better than everyone, never played on anyone's server except his own!?! Some of us do happen to step outside into the light once in a while and play on servers other than our own. Bugger off loser. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Whisper . Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 7:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] Umm, the easy solution to that problem of blatant hacks is, Be the Server Admin. If you are not the server admin or a server admin, one has to ask what are you doing here? Original Message Follows From: Darren J. Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 07:31:07 -0700 I have thus far refused to participate in the everyone hacks thread, but last nights CS experience has left me so freakin mad that I need to vent somewhere! I play only on a few servers, all West Coast. We definately have been visited time to time by super-good players, and very infrequently by someone with very questionable skills. Most of the servers are regulars so we know everyone who plays there and the regs usually pressure the hacks away pretty quickly. Last night I jump on for a few rounds before bed. Headshot, headshot, headshot, headshot - my whole freakin team dead, and all this within about 2 seconds of round start. A player named knife was using every hack imaginable: speed, aimbot, wall, everything! Typically when someone is this blatant, everyone will vote him off fairly quickly. Last night the regs were the minority and no one on the other team would vote against this guy. This totally pissed me off. I was cussing everyone out, and eventually started taunting the other players because they wouldn't vote against him. I really didn't get it. This guy would kill everyone on my team within 1-2 seconds and no one on his team would kill anyone. They wouldn't even get a shot off - how the heck can that be fun for anyone? But they wouldn't vote him off! One of my favorite servers ruined by a freak hack and loser opponents who obviously liked standing around doing nothing. wow. So there's my vent / rant / etc. Hopefully, VAC will continue to improve and somehow, somewhere, servers will become a better place to play. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Timothy Lynn Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? K. Mike Bradley wrote: I said 3/4 have DL'ed and used cheats at least once in a while. 50% cheat all the time either because they are cheaters at heart or because they want to even the playing field when playing other cheaters. The numbers are growing because of all the cheaters. Hey Mike, you want to start, I don't know, bringing some data with ya when you make these ridiculous claims? If one admin out two respond after this saying that like me, they don't cheat, will you be quiet then? And while you're at it... You may or may not have noticed this, but this isn't a forum, it's a listsrv, and adding a one line response on top of about 22K of misquoted and mangled crap is about the most useless thing a learned admin could do. There are people who get the digest of the list and when you make posts like you did it completely destroys any sense of continuity and needlessly bloats the digests. Not to mention there are people on the list who have metered usage, so downloading all these over-quoted responses does them no favors either. You're using Outlook, so take a look at the great program Outlook Quotefix at http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/. It'll automatically do things like strip out signatures and listsrv footers (assuming they're properly delineated by --), put a sensible quote header in, word wrap stuff, and move your cursor beneath quoted material automatically. All you need to do is pick out the stuff you don't want quoted and delete it, a task that takes about 5 seconds. -- Tim ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- SEEK: Now with over 50,000 dream jobs! Click here.[1] ===References:=== 1. http://g.msn.com/8HMBENAU/2740??PS=47575 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
It's people like yourself taking it to the extreme. Since there's no admin there, what do you do? Leave. Blatant hackers aren't there to be better than anyone else. They're there to annoy and destroy any pub game that's happening. You actually staying in the server and displaying your hate fuels this person to continue cheating on the server. There's more than one server out there. I understand it's a place you enjoy playing at, but you have to use common sense and just find a different place to play for the time being. --- On to the other point someone made. VAC isn't the end-all tool. You actually have to take matters into your own hands, instead of being lazy and rely on something to do every single thing for you. If you can't handle dealing with cheaters, don't admin a server. A lot of people fail to realize just how lucky we are to have a tool like VAC. Even though it's not updated as much as some of us may have wished (at least currently, I think some major changes will be made once Valve finishes its current projects), be happy to have this instead of nothing at all (or horrible, half-assed third party tools) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren J. Mason Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 7:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? I have thus far refused to participate in the everyone hacks thread, but last nights CS experience has left me so freakin mad that I need to vent somewhere! I play only on a few servers, all West Coast. We definately have been visited time to time by super-good players, and very infrequently by someone with very questionable skills. Most of the servers are regulars so we know everyone who plays there and the regs usually pressure the hacks away pretty quickly. Last night I jump on for a few rounds before bed. Headshot, headshot, headshot, headshot - my whole freakin team dead, and all this within about 2 seconds of round start. A player named knife was using every hack imaginable: speed, aimbot, wall, everything! Typically when someone is this blatant, everyone will vote him off fairly quickly. Last night the regs were the minority and no one on the other team would vote against this guy. This totally pissed me off. I was cussing everyone out, and eventually started taunting the other players because they wouldn't vote against him. I really didn't get it. This guy would kill everyone on my team within 1-2 seconds and no one on his team would kill anyone. They wouldn't even get a shot off - how the heck can that be fun for anyone? But they wouldn't vote him off! One of my favorite servers ruined by a freak hack and loser opponents who obviously liked standing around doing nothing. wow. So there's my vent / rant / etc. Hopefully, VAC will continue to improve and somehow, somewhere, servers will become a better place to play. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Timothy Lynn Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? K. Mike Bradley wrote: I said 3/4 have DL'ed and used cheats at least once in a while. 50% cheat all the time either because they are cheaters at heart or because they want to even the playing field when playing other cheaters. The numbers are growing because of all the cheaters. Hey Mike, you want to start, I don't know, bringing some data with ya when you make these ridiculous claims? If one admin out two respond after this saying that like me, they don't cheat, will you be quiet then? And while you're at it... You may or may not have noticed this, but this isn't a forum, it's a listsrv, and adding a one line response on top of about 22K of misquoted and mangled crap is about the most useless thing a learned admin could do. There are people who get the digest of the list and when you make posts like you did it completely destroys any sense of continuity and needlessly bloats the digests. Not to mention there are people on the list who have metered usage, so downloading all these over-quoted responses does them no favors either. You're using Outlook, so take a look at the great program Outlook Quotefix at http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/. It'll automatically do things like strip out signatures and listsrv footers (assuming they're properly delineated by --), put a sensible quote header in, word wrap stuff, and move your cursor beneath quoted material automatically. All you need to do is pick out the stuff you don't want quoted and delete it, a task that takes about 5 seconds. -- Tim ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman
Re: [hlds] VAC Update?
K. Mike Bradley wrote: -- As far as the clever or marginal hackers go (those who simply turn on the hacks from time to time) we can only hope that, as hack detection improves, they have to keep trying to get new CD keys to get back in the game. -- All hope is lost ... VAC is not being updated one tenth of what would be needed. These hack writers update their hacks within 4 hours of a VAC update so I see why Valve has given up. I say again ... Right now MyGOT is ravaging CS world. This is happening on Secure servers. People are NOT getting banned, therefore many DL it to stay in the game. The sky is falling!! The sky is falling!! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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[ Converted text/html to text/plain ] 1. The Lack of VAC updates is one reason why I dont. 2. The fact that the servers I am an admin on are probably some of the best setup in terms of sv_rate, sv_maxrate, sys_tic and ping boosted servers on the Internet. As well as having one of the best networks available too. Basically all our Public servers are setup like League Servers except for our 32 player servers which if you followed this list you would know I have lamented about in the past, so why on earth would I want to go anywhere else? We have plain old vanilla servers of various sizes and setups, A Hostage Map Server, Aim Maps, Fun Maps, 32 Player Servers, DeathMatch Servers, Friendly Fire Servers Warcraft 3 Servers. Hell Ive even thrown a Assault Map only server in there for the hell of it to shut whiny CS players who seem to like the god forsaken map up! Oh, and it doesn't cost me anything on my downloads or uploads to use these servers, why would I want to go anywhere else? Would you? BTW I have, and end up getting called a hack, which is amusing, but anyhow. Original Message Follows From: Darren J. Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:26:14 -0700 Wow, who crawled up your ass - mr. better than everyone, never played on anyone's server except his own!?! Some of us do happen to step outside into the light once in a while and play on servers other than our own. Bugger off loser. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Whisper . Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 7:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] Umm, the easy solution to that problem of blatant hacks is, Be the Server Admin. If you are not the server admin or a server admin, one has to ask what are you doing here? Original Message Follows From: Darren J. Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 07:31:07 -0700 I have thus far refused to participate in the everyone hacks thread, but last nights CS experience has left me so freakin mad that I need to vent somewhere! I play only on a few servers, all West Coast. We definately have been visited time to time by super-good players, and very infrequently by someone with very questionable skills. Most of the servers are regulars so we know everyone who plays there and the regs usually pressure the hacks away pretty quickly. Last night I jump on for a few rounds before bed. Headshot, headshot, headshot, headshot - my whole freakin team dead, and all this within about 2 seconds of round start. A player named knife was using every hack imaginable: speed, aimbot, wall, everything! Typically when someone is this blatant, everyone will vote him off fairly quickly. Last night the regs were the minority and no one on the other team would vote against this guy. This totally pissed me off. I was cussing everyone out, and eventually started taunting the other players because they wouldn't vote against him. I really didn't get it. This guy would kill everyone on my team within 1-2 seconds and no one on his team would kill anyone. They wouldn't even get a shot off - how the heck can that be fun for anyone? But they wouldn't vote him off! One of my favorite servers ruined by a freak hack and loser opponents who obviously liked standing around doing nothing. wow. So there's my vent / rant / etc. Hopefully, VAC will continue to improve and somehow, somewhere, servers will become a better place to play. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Timothy Lynn Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? K. Mike Bradley wrote: I said 3/4 have DL'ed and used cheats at least once in a while. 50% cheat all the time either because they are cheaters at heart or because they want to even the playing field when playing other cheaters. The numbers are growing because of all the cheaters. Hey Mike, you want to start, I don't know, bringing some data with ya when you make these ridiculous claims? If one admin out two respond after this saying that like me, they don't cheat, will you be quiet then? And while you're at it... You may or may not have noticed this, but this isn't a forum, it's a listsrv, and adding a one line response on top of about 22K of misquoted and mangled crap is about the most useless thing a learned admin could do. There are people who get the digest of the list and when you make posts like you did it completely destroys any sense of continuity and needlessly bloats the digests. Not to mention there are people on the list who have metered usage, so downloading all these over-quoted responses does them no favors either. You're using Outlook, so take a look at the great program Outlook Quotefix at http
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
OK, I apologize for my earlier comments. I thought I was being flamed at a little, but I was mistaken. THIS person is lighting a real fire!! Wow... OWNED. Corpse --- Darren J. Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, who crawled up your ass - mr. better than everyone, never played on anyone's server except his own!?! Some of us do happen to step outside into the light once in a while and play on servers other than our own. Bugger off loser. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Whisper . Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 7:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] Umm, the easy solution to that problem of blatant hacks is, Be the Server Admin. If you are not the server admin or a server admin, one has to ask what are you doing here? Original Message Follows From: Darren J. Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 07:31:07 -0700 I have thus far refused to participate in the everyone hacks thread, but last nights CS experience has left me so freakin mad that I need to vent somewhere! I play only on a few servers, all West Coast. We definately have been visited time to time by super-good players, and very infrequently by someone with very questionable skills. Most of the servers are regulars so we know everyone who plays there and the regs usually pressure the hacks away pretty quickly. Last night I jump on for a few rounds before bed. Headshot, headshot, headshot, headshot - my whole freakin team dead, and all this within about 2 seconds of round start. A player named knife was using every hack imaginable: speed, aimbot, wall, everything! Typically when someone is this blatant, everyone will vote him off fairly quickly. Last night the regs were the minority and no one on the other team would vote against this guy. This totally pissed me off. I was cussing everyone out, and eventually started taunting the other players because they wouldn't vote against him. I really didn't get it. This guy would kill everyone on my team within 1-2 seconds and no one on his team would kill anyone. They wouldn't even get a shot off - how the heck can that be fun for anyone? But they wouldn't vote him off! One of my favorite servers ruined by a freak hack and loser opponents who obviously liked standing around doing nothing. wow. So there's my vent / rant / etc. Hopefully, VAC will continue to improve and somehow, somewhere, servers will become a better place to play. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Timothy Lynn Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? K. Mike Bradley wrote: I said 3/4 have DL'ed and used cheats at least once in a while. 50% cheat all the time either because they are cheaters at heart or because they want to even the playing field when playing other cheaters. The numbers are growing because of all the cheaters. Hey Mike, you want to start, I don't know, bringing some data with ya when you make these ridiculous claims? If one admin out two respond after this saying that like me, they don't cheat, will you be quiet then? And while you're at it... You may or may not have noticed this, but this isn't a forum, it's a listsrv, and adding a one line response on top of about 22K of misquoted and mangled crap is about the most useless thing a learned admin could do. There are people who get the digest of the list and when you make posts like you did it completely destroys any sense of continuity and needlessly bloats the digests. Not to mention there are people on the list who have metered usage, so downloading all these over-quoted responses does them no favors either. You're using Outlook, so take a look at the great program Outlook Quotefix at http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/. It'll automatically do things like strip out signatures and listsrv footers (assuming they're properly delineated by --), put a sensible quote header in, word wrap stuff, and move your cursor beneath quoted material automatically. All you need to do is pick out the stuff you don't want quoted and delete it, a task that takes about 5 seconds. -- Tim ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- SEEK: Now with over 50,000 dream jobs! Click here.[1] ===References:=== 1
Re: [hlds] VAC Update?
David has hit the nail on the head, I don't know how many of you have heard about this site but check out http://www.steambans.com/ it''s unofficial nothing to do with steam it's self but it works along the same line as having good honest admins check them out - Original Message - From: David Fencik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 1:21 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? The best cheat prevention is a following of good, honest regulars, coupled with a handful of honest admins. Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 8:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Lets face it VAC has been a total washout. Each VAC update we get gives us four hours of no cheating ... That's it. Valve does not have the programming resources to keep up with the hackers who write this stuff for free. All of the anti cheat detections have failed ... The hackers have won. We can either set up our servers with a password and invite friends or maybe we all should hack to make it even. THAT WOULD BE A LAUGH EH It would totally ruin any hacks now and in the future if we all used them. Level playing field once again. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper . Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] VAC Update? [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] Is VAC going to get updated anytime soon? If it is being updated, can it be announced on this list? Can VAC / Valve allow Cheating Death to be compatible and let server administrators decide themselves if they want to hassel of supporting 3rd part fucntionality or not? Its not like Cheating Death bans anybody, at worst it denys people access to your server which is not a major issue in most cases. I do not know about the rest of you, but it seems on our VAC Enabled servers any average idiot can join and look like a professional CS player with the latest and greatest aimbots, whcih are extremely difficult to pick up even when viewing the demo in slow motion, if the aimbot is properly configured, which seems to be most of the time these days. :( -- Play Love Hunt to win a $9000 holiday [1] and find love! ===References:=== 1. http://g.msn.com/8HMAENAU/2731??PS=47575 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 8:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Lets face it VAC has been a total washout. Each VAC update we get gives us four hours of no cheating ... That's it. Valve does not have the programming resources to keep up with the hackers who write this stuff for free. All of the anti cheat detections have failed ... The hackers have won. Wait a minute...am I wrong, or doesn't VAC ban cheaters for one year? If this is true, then the cheaters are always being weeded out, right? Even when the script kiddies find new cheats not yet detected by VAC, they're still banned. Am I missing something? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Vac update?_hackers
Yeah but there are stealth hackers everywhere. They keep the hacks off until they get in to trouble with another player. You know ... 5 HP and you're the only one left. I've seen many people come in to a server and get a great streak ... 12 to 0 or 1 lets say. Then ease off after that and only turn on hacks to keep the best score / ratio. The problem is far worse than any of you admins think. I am sure you and many other players say oh yeah ... He's cool. I've watched him. But chances are he aint. Every time VAC or any other anti-cheat was updated, scores across the world dropped by 50 % until new hacks were written. These are statistical averages that can't be argued away. I would wager over 3/4 of all CS players have hacks loaded and use them at least once in a while. I ran a server at my office on T1 and personally loaded 20 guys PC's with CS. We would play starting at 3:30PM each day. After about six months I found hacks loaded on several PC's and wrote a script to remove or damage them automatically. The half the guys started playing from home. LOL People can't resist cheating. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Devin Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 8:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] Vac update?_hackers Lets face it VAC has been a total washout. Each VAC update we get gives us four hours of no cheating ... That's it. Valve does not have the programming resources to keep up with the hackers who write this stuff for free. All of the anti cheat detections have failed ... The hackers have won. We can either set up our servers with a password and invite friends or maybe we all should hack to make it even. THAT WOULD BE A LAUGH EH It would totally ruin any hacks now and in the future if we all used them. Level playing field once again OR Have admins on your server, i ran a server for 3 years, my ban list grew and grew, so did my list of regulars who liked playing on a fair admined server... eventually you weed out the tards and have a clean server... VAC/CD/HLguard just help you NEED an admin there as much as possible. By the end I had such a concise ban list, I rarely saw a hacker at all, maybe once a month, and this was with a server always half full of non-regs. That's the only way to truely show hackers the front door... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
Yes you are. Right now Hackers rule just about any server they want. Secure servers too. Most who use hacks are obvious and get banned. It's the stealth hackers. The ones who are good at not getting caught. The wall hacks and aim bots. When I want to play I go thru 5 servers before I find one w/o Blatant hackers. It's really bad right now. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 8:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Lets face it VAC has been a total washout. Each VAC update we get gives us four hours of no cheating ... That's it. Valve does not have the programming resources to keep up with the hackers who write this stuff for free. All of the anti cheat detections have failed ... The hackers have won. Wait a minute...am I wrong, or doesn't VAC ban cheaters for one year? If this is true, then the cheaters are always being weeded out, right? Even when the script kiddies find new cheats not yet detected by VAC, they're still banned. Am I missing something? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac update?_hackers
I for one have never cheated. But I know exactly what you mean. Its human nature, to be the best. - Original Message - From: K. Mike Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:34 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] Vac update?_hackers Yeah but there are stealth hackers everywhere. They keep the hacks off until they get in to trouble with another player. You know ... 5 HP and you're the only one left. I've seen many people come in to a server and get a great streak ... 12 to 0 or 1 lets say. Then ease off after that and only turn on hacks to keep the best score / ratio. The problem is far worse than any of you admins think. I am sure you and many other players say oh yeah ... He's cool. I've watched him. But chances are he aint. Every time VAC or any other anti-cheat was updated, scores across the world dropped by 50 % until new hacks were written. These are statistical averages that can't be argued away. I would wager over 3/4 of all CS players have hacks loaded and use them at least once in a while. I ran a server at my office on T1 and personally loaded 20 guys PC's with CS. We would play starting at 3:30PM each day. After about six months I found hacks loaded on several PC's and wrote a script to remove or damage them automatically. The half the guys started playing from home. LOL People can't resist cheating. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Devin Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 8:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] Vac update?_hackers Lets face it VAC has been a total washout. Each VAC update we get gives us four hours of no cheating ... That's it. Valve does not have the programming resources to keep up with the hackers who write this stuff for free. All of the anti cheat detections have failed ... The hackers have won. We can either set up our servers with a password and invite friends or maybe we all should hack to make it even. THAT WOULD BE A LAUGH EH It would totally ruin any hacks now and in the future if we all used them. Level playing field once again OR Have admins on your server, i ran a server for 3 years, my ban list grew and grew, so did my list of regulars who liked playing on a fair admined server... eventually you weed out the tards and have a clean server... VAC/CD/HLguard just help you NEED an admin there as much as possible. By the end I had such a concise ban list, I rarely saw a hacker at all, maybe once a month, and this was with a server always half full of non-regs. That's the only way to truely show hackers the front door... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
So true, I fired up cs saturday night for the first time in months popped onto what are\used to be pretty clean servers, and what do you know.. 3 blatent and admitted cheaters, I mean 103\4 types. (only saving grace was at least they were not running there mouths) Left, went to another one, only took 10 minutes before a similar situation developed, off to another one, 3rd one I actually got a full map in before the cheaters showed up, at least these last ones we not advertising it, course I had to listen to all the 12 yearolds yell at each other about it before disabling voicecom. ..sad.. Vac helps, but it help in about the same way ms product activation helps stop piracy of windows. It keeps those too stupid or computer illiterate away from cheating, yet has only a marginal effect on the primary userbase who uses the product. Tech savy pc gamers. (though I must say, when we had a couple updates in quick succession a few months back it did help for about a week or two) -Original Message- From: K. Mike Bradley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Yes you are. Right now Hackers rule just about any server they want. Secure servers too. Most who use hacks are obvious and get banned. It's the stealth hackers. The ones who are good at not getting caught. The wall hacks and aim bots. When I want to play I go thru 5 servers before I find one w/o Blatant hackers. It's really bad right now. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 8:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Lets face it VAC has been a total washout. Each VAC update we get gives us four hours of no cheating ... That's it. Valve does not have the programming resources to keep up with the hackers who write this stuff for free. All of the anti cheat detections have failed ... The hackers have won. Wait a minute...am I wrong, or doesn't VAC ban cheaters for one year? If this is true, then the cheaters are always being weeded out, right? Even when the script kiddies find new cheats not yet detected by VAC, they're still banned. Am I missing something? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
full of generalizations and specualtions hehe you must be new to the list.. :) lol JustKidding!! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
When I want to play I go thru 5 servers before I find one w/o Blatant hackers. That's complete BS. I pub at least once a day, and NEVER (and I mean EVER, not even in 1.3) did I go into more than 2 pubs in succession that had blatant cheaters in them. Your assumptions are BS as well. 3/4 of the entire CS population, cheaters? It's FAR, FAR less than that. You are exaggerating pretty much everything you say. The only possible way I can see you going into 5 servers and having a **BLATANT** hacker in every one of them is if you join ONLY insecure servers. Why? Because insecure servers basically allow any and every cheat to work (and at full potential), period. You probably don't know this because you've never used cheats before, but VAC SEVERELY limits what cheats can do. I've used cheats before (hah), and let me tell you the difference. Insecure Servers: You can practically see people from spawn to spawn (wallhack), people are always on screen. Secure Servers: A lot of times the only time you see someone behind a wall is if you see them out in the open first, and then go behind the wall. Other times you have to rely on them making noise or moving a lot in order to be seen behind the wall. Also, you usually can't see them from that far away, and the cheats are limited hugely by this (obviously it's still an insanely huge advantage, though). VAC has more purposes than just catching people cheating, it serves as a wallhack block as well. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 7:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Yes you are. Right now Hackers rule just about any server they want. Secure servers too. Most who use hacks are obvious and get banned. It's the stealth hackers. The ones who are good at not getting caught. The wall hacks and aim bots. When I want to play I go thru 5 servers before I find one w/o Blatant hackers. It's really bad right now. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 8:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Lets face it VAC has been a total washout. Each VAC update we get gives us four hours of no cheating ... That's it. Valve does not have the programming resources to keep up with the hackers who write this stuff for free. All of the anti cheat detections have failed ... The hackers have won. Wait a minute...am I wrong, or doesn't VAC ban cheaters for one year? If this is true, then the cheaters are always being weeded out, right? Even when the script kiddies find new cheats not yet detected by VAC, they're still banned. Am I missing something? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] VAC Update?
um, no, it's not complete BS! Regards - Original Message - From: Spartibus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 12:06 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? When I want to play I go thru 5 servers before I find one w/o Blatant hackers. That's complete BS. I pub at least once a day, and NEVER (and I mean EVER, not even in 1.3) did I go into more than 2 pubs in succession that had blatant cheaters in them. Your assumptions are BS as well. 3/4 of the entire CS population, cheaters? It's FAR, FAR less than that. You are exaggerating pretty much everything you say. The only possible way I can see you going into 5 servers and having a **BLATANT** hacker in every one of them is if you join ONLY insecure servers. Why? Because insecure servers basically allow any and every cheat to work (and at full potential), period. You probably don't know this because you've never used cheats before, but VAC SEVERELY limits what cheats can do. I've used cheats before (hah), and let me tell you the difference. Insecure Servers: You can practically see people from spawn to spawn (wallhack), people are always on screen. Secure Servers: A lot of times the only time you see someone behind a wall is if you see them out in the open first, and then go behind the wall. Other times you have to rely on them making noise or moving a lot in order to be seen behind the wall. Also, you usually can't see them from that far away, and the cheats are limited hugely by this (obviously it's still an insanely huge advantage, though). VAC has more purposes than just catching people cheating, it serves as a wallhack block as well. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 7:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Yes you are. Right now Hackers rule just about any server they want. Secure servers too. Most who use hacks are obvious and get banned. It's the stealth hackers. The ones who are good at not getting caught. The wall hacks and aim bots. When I want to play I go thru 5 servers before I find one w/o Blatant hackers. It's really bad right now. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 8:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Lets face it VAC has been a total washout. Each VAC update we get gives us four hours of no cheating ... That's it. Valve does not have the programming resources to keep up with the hackers who write this stuff for free. All of the anti cheat detections have failed ... The hackers have won. Wait a minute...am I wrong, or doesn't VAC ban cheaters for one year? If this is true, then the cheaters are always being weeded out, right? Even when the script kiddies find new cheats not yet detected by VAC, they're still banned. Am I missing something? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac update?_hackers
Sometimes your just hot with that index... - Original Message - From: David Fencik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 2:46 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Vac update?_hackers It's also natural for players to have streaks. I have never used a cheat, but I will very often go on a 5-7 man killing streak, then get pwned for a couple minutes, and cycle again. Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Vac update?_hackers Yeah but there are stealth hackers everywhere. They keep the hacks off until they get in to trouble with another player. You know ... 5 HP and you're the only one left. I've seen many people come in to a server and get a great streak ... 12 to 0 or 1 lets say. Then ease off after that and only turn on hacks to keep the best score / ratio. The problem is far worse than any of you admins think. I am sure you and many other players say oh yeah ... He's cool. I've watched him. But chances are he aint. Every time VAC or any other anti-cheat was updated, scores across the world dropped by 50 % until new hacks were written. These are statistical averages that can't be argued away. I would wager over 3/4 of all CS players have hacks loaded and use them at least once in a while. I ran a server at my office on T1 and personally loaded 20 guys PC's with CS. We would play starting at 3:30PM each day. After about six months I found hacks loaded on several PC's and wrote a script to remove or damage them automatically. The half the guys started playing from home. LOL People can't resist cheating. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Devin Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 8:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] Vac update?_hackers Lets face it VAC has been a total washout. Each VAC update we get gives us four hours of no cheating ... That's it. Valve does not have the programming resources to keep up with the hackers who write this stuff for free. All of the anti cheat detections have failed ... The hackers have won. We can either set up our servers with a password and invite friends or maybe we all should hack to make it even. THAT WOULD BE A LAUGH EH It would totally ruin any hacks now and in the future if we all used them. Level playing field once again OR Have admins on your server, i ran a server for 3 years, my ban list grew and grew, so did my list of regulars who liked playing on a fair admined server... eventually you weed out the tards and have a clean server... VAC/CD/HLguard just help you NEED an admin there as much as possible. By the end I had such a concise ban list, I rarely saw a hacker at all, maybe once a month, and this was with a server always half full of non-regs. That's the only way to truely show hackers the front door... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Yes you are. Right now Hackers rule just about any server they want. Secure servers too. Most who use hacks are obvious and get banned. It's the stealth hackers. The ones who are good at not getting caught. The wall hacks and aim bots. When I want to play I go thru 5 servers before I find one w/o Blatant hackers. It's really bad right now. Believe me, I know how bad it is. I ran a WON server for about 9 months and I was banning several people every day by June of this year. The last week that my server was up, a guy I trusted enough to make admin was banned by HLGuard and disappeared. Funny thing about that is, he banned more people for cheating than I did. That's the last person I will ever trust. As someone already mentioned, the smart ones just turn the hacks on long enough to maintain the top score. Almost every single one started to suck really BAD as soon as I started spectating. usually they left the server before I had a chance to be sure that they were cheating. They always swore up and down that they didn't cheat. Despite all the cheating going on now though, think of how bad it would be with no VAC. I have to believe the situation is WAY better than it was on WON, and after all, the ones who get caught DO get banned. It'll never be perfect just because there will always be kiddies who are too stupid or too lazy to have ever accomplished anything in their lives, and therefore desperately crave the adoration of fellow gamers. I'll never understand it, especially when it's adults. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] It's not just hackers. You have admins turning on GodMode or the ever popular AMX_BLANK on a person or team. Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Yes you are. Right now Hackers rule just about any server they want. Secure servers too. Most who use hacks are obvious and get banned. It's the stealth hackers. The ones who are good at not getting caught. The wall hacks and aim bots. When I want to play I go thru 5 servers before I find one w/o Blatant hackers. It's really bad right now. Believe me, I know how bad it is. I ran a WON server for about 9 months and I was banning several people every day by June of this year. The last week that my server was up, a guy I trusted enough to make admin was banned by HLGuard and disappeared. Funny thing about that is, he banned more people for cheating than I did. That's the last person I will ever trust. As someone already mentioned, the smart ones just turn the hacks on long enough to maintain the top score. Almost every single one started to suck really BAD as soon as I started spectating. usually they left the server before I had a chance to be sure that they were cheating. They always swore up and down that they didn't cheat. Despite all the cheating going on now though, think of how bad it would be with no VAC. I have to believe the situation is WAY better than it was on WON, and after all, the ones who get caught DO get banned. It'll never be perfect just because there will always be kiddies who are too stupid or too lazy to have ever accomplished anything in their lives, and therefore desperately crave the adoration of fellow gamers. I'll never understand it, especially when it's adults. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds YIM: cybergamezone2002 Gaming Website: http://www.cybergamezone.com My League: http://league.cybergamezone.com Hotwheels Website: http://store.cybergamezone.com Gaming Clan Website: http://www.cybergamezone.net - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Vac update?_hackers
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Yup, hot is nice. I went 80-5 last night on a clan server. Then again I am never below a 2-1 ratio. Skirecs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sometimes your just hot with that index... - Original Message - From: David Fencik To: Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 2:46 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Vac update?_hackers It's also natural for players to have streaks. I have never used a cheat, but I will very often go on a 5-7 man killing streak, then get pwned for a couple minutes, and cycle again. Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Vac update?_hackers Yeah but there are stealth hackers everywhere. They keep the hacks off until they get in to trouble with another player. You know ... 5 HP and you're the only one left. I've seen many people come in to a server and get a great streak ... 12 to 0 or 1 lets say. Then ease off after that and only turn on hacks to keep the best score / ratio. The problem is far worse than any of you admins think. I am sure you and many other players say oh yeah ... He's cool. I've watched him. But chances are he aint. Every time VAC or any other anti-cheat was updated, scores across the world dropped by 50 % until new hacks were written. These are statistical averages that can't be argued away. I would wager over 3/4 of all CS players have hacks loaded and use them at least once in a while. I ran a server at my office on T1 and personally loaded 20 guys PC's with CS. We would play starting at 3:30PM each day. After about six months I found hacks loaded on several PC's and wrote a script to remove or damage them automatically. The half the guys started playing from home. LOL People can't resist cheating. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Devin Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 8:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] Vac update?_hackers Lets face it VAC has been a total washout. Each VAC update we get gives us four hours of no cheating ... That's it. Valve does not have the programming resources to keep up with the hackers who write this stuff for free. All of the anti cheat detections have failed ... The hackers have won. We can either set up our servers with a password and invite friends or maybe we all should hack to make it even. THAT WOULD BE A LAUGH EH It would totally ruin any hacks now and in the future if we all used them. Level playing field once again OR Have admins on your server, i ran a server for 3 years, my ban list grew and grew, so did my list of regulars who liked playing on a fair admined server... eventually you weed out the tards and have a clean server... VAC/CD/HLguard just help you NEED an admin there as much as possible. By the end I had such a concise ban list, I rarely saw a hacker at all, maybe once a month, and this was with a server always half full of non-regs. That's the only way to truely show hackers the front door... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds YIM: cybergamezone2002 Gaming Website: http://www.cybergamezone.com My League: http://league.cybergamezone.com Hotwheels Website: http://store.cybergamezone.com Gaming Clan Website: http://www.cybergamezone.net - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
My solution is simple. However, time and resource consuming. I currently
have 18 Admins to cover 3 24/7 servers. Most are regulars who have undergone
a training and trial process before getting their privileges.
I run a HLTV proxy, setup just to record demos. It runs 24/7 and creates a
new file for every map change. I have a scheduled task that runs winrar and
compresses them to a new folder. The file names of the winrar files are
dated so they are easy to find. I have 2 forums on my website for what I
like to call Disruptive Players a public one and a private Admin only
version. The public one you can see here.
http://www.paradisesgarage.com/mcweb/Forums/Disruptive+Players/default.aspx.
I have a specific format that I ask players to post the complaints in. I
also prefer that the complainer make a demo of their own, saves me from
having to search through GB's of Demo files. Depending on the situation I
will review the demo using the time and Steam Id to first find the event in
the log files then review the demo. This happens rarely. Usually My Admins
pay attention to the forums and are on the lookout for the Disruptive
Players and will ban as needed. I merge and propagate my banned.cfg to all
3 servers at least weekly. I also keep track of the Banned players in
Spreadsheet with their Steam ID's, names and IP address. My ban list is at
least 100+ long by now, I haven't counted them lately. The people who end up
getting permanently banned were either real jerks or cheaters. Anyone who
wants a copy of this list to add to their banned list is welcome. I had an
even larger list of WON ID's before 1.6. probably around 250 wonid's.
I personally banned at least 6 people in the last week. I have demos of
course so when anyone bothers to contest the ban decision I have proof.
Generally my servers are pretty well run and organized, with a minimal
amount of Admin abuse and cheaters. People like to play there. The main
server is usually Packed 24/7. The servers are for fun, not competitions.
Lots of Plugins and other fun things.
{MC} Paradise CS Server - 216.254.79.10:27015 (Main Server)
{MC} Paradise CS Anarchy Server - 67.93.155.120:27015 (the name says it all)
{MC} Paradise CS Extra Server - 67.93.155.120:27014 (just that an EXTRA
server, takes up the slack when main is full)
Mike ParaDOX Munoz
www.paradisesgarage.com
-Original Message-
From: Dennis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 3:06 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:55 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
Yes you are.
Right now Hackers rule just about any server they want.
Secure servers too.
Most who use hacks are obvious and get banned.
It's the stealth hackers. The ones who are good at not getting caught.
The wall hacks and aim bots.
When I want to play I go thru 5 servers before I find one w/o Blatant
hackers.
It's really bad right now.
Believe me, I know how bad it is. I ran a WON server for about 9 months and
I was banning several people every day by June of this year. The last week
that my server was up, a guy I trusted enough to make admin was banned by
HLGuard and disappeared. Funny thing about that is, he banned more people
for cheating than I did. That's the last person I will ever trust.
As someone already mentioned, the smart ones just turn the hacks on long
enough to maintain the top score. Almost every single one started to suck
really BAD as soon as I started spectating. usually they left the server
before I had a chance to be sure that they were cheating. They always swore
up and down that they didn't cheat.
Despite all the cheating going on now though, think of how bad it would be
with no VAC. I have to believe the situation is WAY better than it was on
WON, and after all, the ones who get caught DO get banned.
It'll never be perfect just because there will always be kiddies who are too
stupid or too lazy to have ever accomplished anything in their lives, and
therefore desperately crave the adoration of fellow gamers. I'll never
understand it, especially when it's adults.
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RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
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Its good that you have a system that works for you but we are stuck running 26
Public servers and 50 odd Bookable/Competition servers. Your method just won't
work for us! :(
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From: Mike Munoz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 17:37:06 -0400
My solution is simple. However, time and resource consuming. I currently
have 18 Admins to cover 3 24/7 servers. Most are regulars who have undergone
a training and trial process before getting their privileges.
I run a HLTV proxy, setup just to record demos. It runs 24/7 and creates a
new file for every map change. I have a scheduled task that runs winrar and
compresses them to a new folder. The file names of the winrar files are
dated so they are easy to find. I have 2 forums on my website for what I
like to call Disruptive Players a public one and a private Admin only
version. The public one you can see here.
http://www.paradisesgarage.com/mcweb/Forums/Disruptive+Players/default.aspx.
I have a specific format that I ask players to post the complaints in. I
also prefer that the complainer make a demo of their own, saves me from
having to search through GB's of Demo files. Depending on the situation I
will review the demo using the time and Steam Id to first find the event in
the log files then review the demo. This happens rarely. Usually My Admins
pay attention to the forums and are on the lookout for the Disruptive
Players and will ban as needed. I merge and propagate my banned.cfg to all
3 servers at least weekly. I also keep track of the Banned players in
Spreadsheet with their Steam ID's, names and IP address. My ban list is at
least 100+ long by now, I haven't counted them lately. The people who end up
getting permanently banned were either real jerks or cheaters. Anyone who
wants a copy of this list to add to their banned list is welcome. I had an
even larger list of WON ID's before 1.6. probably around 250 wonid's.
I personally banned at least 6 people in the last week. I have demos of
course so when anyone bothers to contest the ban decision I have proof.
Generally my servers are pretty well run and organized, with a minimal
amount of Admin abuse and cheaters. People like to play there. The main
server is usually Packed 24/7. The servers are for fun, not competitions.
Lots of Plugins and other fun things.
{MC} Paradise CS Server - 216.254.79.10:27015 (Main Server)
{MC} Paradise CS Anarchy Server - 67.93.155.120:27015 (the name says it all)
{MC} Paradise CS Extra Server - 67.93.155.120:27014 (just that an EXTRA
server, takes up the slack when main is full)
Mike ParaDOX Munoz
www.paradisesgarage.com
-Original Message-
From: Dennis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 3:06 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:55 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
Yes you are.
Right now Hackers rule just about any server they want.
Secure servers too.
Most who use hacks are obvious and get banned.
It's the stealth hackers. The ones who are good at not getting caught.
The wall hacks and aim bots.
When I want to play I go thru 5 servers before I find one w/o Blatant
hackers.
It's really bad right now.
Believe me, I know how bad it is. I ran a WON server for about 9 months and
I was banning several people every day by June of this year. The last week
that my server was up, a guy I trusted enough to make admin was banned by
HLGuard and disappeared. Funny thing about that is, he banned more people
for cheating than I did. That's the last person I will ever trust.
As someone already mentioned, the smart ones just turn the hacks on long
enough to maintain the top score. Almost every single one started to suck
really BAD as soon as I started spectating. usually they left the server
before I had a chance to be sure that they were cheating. They always swore
up and down that they didn't cheat.
Despite all the cheating going on now though, think of how bad it would be
with no VAC. I have to believe the situation is WAY better than it was on
WON, and after all, the ones who get caught DO get banned.
It'll never be perfect just because there will always be kiddies who are too
stupid or too lazy to have ever accomplished anything in their lives, and
therefore desperately crave the adoration of fellow gamers. I'll never
understand it, especially when it's adults.
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RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
There is also a problem with talented gamers being kicked/banned from servers because everyone assumes they are hacking. This is not always the case. -Original Message- From: Whisper . [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 2:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] VAC Update? [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] Ok Ok calm down. Its not 75%, but it is a significant percentage, even 1 in 5 = 20% or 1 in 10 = 10% In any case, the blantant hackers are not the problem, they are easy to catch, do not rquire vast amounts of administrators time to prove that the person is hacking, and generally do not play competitive Counter-Strike. Its the try hards who use hacks to remain competitive because they are not really that good, or cannot put the time and effort in to practice enough to be good, are the ones that are the most damaging, especially when using them in competitive Counter-Strike Games, where significant prizes maybe on the line! They know how to configure their hacks correctly, also know how to hide the fact that they are using hacks. When I have tested hacks out, the wealth of information that even a simple wallhack will give you is phenomenal. The reason why, is that even for the best players, it always takes time to a)realise that there is an opponent to be shot, then b) taking the time to actually aim at the opponent. If you have a wallhack, you have 20-20 hindsight vision as you know exactly where your opponents will be, and all you need to do is line them up to be shot the instant that would become visiible. Moreover the really good aimbots are like anti-recoil more than anything when configured correctly, since aiming is a fairly easy task unless you are completely inept, its the controlling of the recoil and bursting that is the difficult part and keeping the crosshair on a moving target once you got the opponent in your sights! So an aimbot that only locks on once you have the crosshair over the opposition model and then holds the crosshair on the opposition player while you fire, just looks like a person who can aim and control a mouse very well, and it can be extremely difficult unless you review lots of demos in slow motion which can take literally hours to do (any of you have several hours a day to kill just to view demos? I didn't think so!) just to prove that the person was in fact using an aimbot. Then add to the fact that any of you here who are any good know exactly what its like to deliberately do a running strafing single shot headshot with an AK-47 on a full health full armour opponent (well Im assuming they did have this, since they just eco'ed 2 rounds after losing 2 rounds before that and had colts so you would think they would be fully kitted out?!?!) while not even having any hacks on your computer whatsoever, how much more difficult it becomes to differentiate between a really good player and a decent player using hacks? In any case, VAC only seems to work well when it is being updated reguarly, and it was my understanding that VAC had its own dedicated Valve Staff member(s) which had nothing to do with anything else at Valve AND in any case, would be more than a full time job anyhow! Hacks are a problem, there is no doubt of that and there are enough of them around that it is noticeable to anybody who knows what they are doing. Hacks make life difficult for people who are actually good since playing on pub is a complete waste of time and effort, since you either get out gunned by the hacks or you get accused constantly yourself! VAC not being updated reguarly is a problem. VAC not allowing compatability with the only real other anti-cheat solution available (Cheating-Death) just makes things all the more difficult for us server admins who have large amounts of servers to administor! What we need is a real anti-cheat solution, not just a band-aid solution that gets updated irreguarly. Original Message Follows From: Roc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] VAC Update? Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:34:41 -0400 um, no, it's not complete BS! Regards - Original Message - From: Spartibus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 12:06 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? When I want to play I go thru 5 servers before I find one w/o Blatant hackers. That's complete BS. I pub at least once a day, and NEVER (and I mean EVER, not even in 1.3) did I go into more than 2 pubs in succession that had blatant cheaters in them. Your assumptions are BS as well. 3/4 of the entire CS population, cheaters? It's FAR, FAR less than that. You are exaggerating pretty much everything you say. The only possible way I can see you going into 5 servers and having a **BLATANT** hacker in every one of them is if you join ONLY insecure servers. Why? Because insecure servers basically allow any and every cheat to work (and at full potential), period. You probably
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
So where's the simple solution??!! :)
Jay
Jay Carter
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Turbo 6 Power Administrator
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Munoz
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 5:37 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
Importance: High
My solution is simple. However, time and resource consuming. I currently
have 18 Admins to cover 3 24/7 servers. Most are regulars who have undergone
a training and trial process before getting their privileges.
I run a HLTV proxy, setup just to record demos. It runs 24/7 and creates a
new file for every map change. I have a scheduled task that runs winrar and
compresses them to a new folder. The file names of the winrar files are
dated so they are easy to find. I have 2 forums on my website for what I
like to call Disruptive Players a public one and a private Admin only
version. The public one you can see here.
http://www.paradisesgarage.com/mcweb/Forums/Disruptive+Players/default.aspx.
I have a specific format that I ask players to post the complaints in. I
also prefer that the complainer make a demo of their own, saves me from
having to search through GB's of Demo files. Depending on the situation I
will review the demo using the time and Steam Id to first find the event in
the log files then review the demo. This happens rarely. Usually My Admins
pay attention to the forums and are on the lookout for the Disruptive
Players and will ban as needed. I merge and propagate my banned.cfg to all
3 servers at least weekly. I also keep track of the Banned players in
Spreadsheet with their Steam ID's, names and IP address. My ban list is at
least 100+ long by now, I haven't counted them lately. The people who end up
getting permanently banned were either real jerks or cheaters. Anyone who
wants a copy of this list to add to their banned list is welcome. I had an
even larger list of WON ID's before 1.6. probably around 250 wonid's.
I personally banned at least 6 people in the last week. I have demos of
course so when anyone bothers to contest the ban decision I have proof.
Generally my servers are pretty well run and organized, with a minimal
amount of Admin abuse and cheaters. People like to play there. The main
server is usually Packed 24/7. The servers are for fun, not competitions.
Lots of Plugins and other fun things.
{MC} Paradise CS Server - 216.254.79.10:27015 (Main Server)
{MC} Paradise CS Anarchy Server - 67.93.155.120:27015 (the name says it all)
{MC} Paradise CS Extra Server - 67.93.155.120:27014 (just that an EXTRA
server, takes up the slack when main is full)
Mike ParaDOX Munoz
www.paradisesgarage.com
-Original Message-
From: Dennis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 3:06 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:55 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
Yes you are.
Right now Hackers rule just about any server they want.
Secure servers too.
Most who use hacks are obvious and get banned.
It's the stealth hackers. The ones who are good at not getting caught.
The wall hacks and aim bots.
When I want to play I go thru 5 servers before I find one w/o Blatant
hackers.
It's really bad right now.
Believe me, I know how bad it is. I ran a WON server for about 9 months and
I was banning several people every day by June of this year. The last week
that my server was up, a guy I trusted enough to make admin was banned by
HLGuard and disappeared. Funny thing about that is, he banned more people
for cheating than I did. That's the last person I will ever trust.
As someone already mentioned, the smart ones just turn the hacks on long
enough to maintain the top score. Almost every single one started to suck
really BAD as soon as I started spectating. usually they left the server
before I had a chance to be sure that they were cheating. They always swore
up and down that they didn't cheat.
Despite all the cheating going on now though, think of how bad it would be
with no VAC. I have to believe the situation is WAY better than it was on
WON, and after all, the ones who get caught DO get banned.
It'll never be perfect just because there will always be kiddies who are too
stupid or too lazy to have ever accomplished anything in their lives, and
therefore desperately crave the adoration of fellow gamers. I'll never
understand it, especially when it's adults.
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RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
That's sad but true. Sometimes, when there's some debate over someone being a hacker or not, one of my admins might be quoted as saying you're either hacking or you're just too damned good to play here! *boot* CorpseHumper http://www.n00bfest.com --- Owen T. Soroke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is also a problem with talented gamers being kicked/banned from servers because everyone assumes they are hacking. This is not always the case. __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
3/4 of my caln used cheats then I quite -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 11:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] VAC Update? K. Mike Bradley wrote: Yes you are. Right now Hackers rule just about any server they want. Secure servers too. Most who use hacks are obvious and get banned. It's the stealth hackers. The ones who are good at not getting caught. The wall hacks and aim bots. When I want to play I go thru 5 servers before I find one w/o Blatant hackers. It's really bad right now. Unless you have some figures to share and can prove that 3/4 of all players out there use cheats at some time or another, your arguement is full of generalizations and specualtions. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
Yes and if you spec you will see this sorta slight dithering to avoid aim bot detection. The cross hairs will shake around in a regular pattern ... Its obviously a way to avoid VAC and it is working right now very well. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roc Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 12:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] VAC Update? um, no, it's not complete BS! Regards - Original Message - From: Spartibus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 12:06 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? When I want to play I go thru 5 servers before I find one w/o Blatant hackers. That's complete BS. I pub at least once a day, and NEVER (and I mean EVER, not even in 1.3) did I go into more than 2 pubs in succession that had blatant cheaters in them. Your assumptions are BS as well. 3/4 of the entire CS population, cheaters? It's FAR, FAR less than that. You are exaggerating pretty much everything you say. The only possible way I can see you going into 5 servers and having a **BLATANT** hacker in every one of them is if you join ONLY insecure servers. Why? Because insecure servers basically allow any and every cheat to work (and at full potential), period. You probably don't know this because you've never used cheats before, but VAC SEVERELY limits what cheats can do. I've used cheats before (hah), and let me tell you the difference. Insecure Servers: You can practically see people from spawn to spawn (wallhack), people are always on screen. Secure Servers: A lot of times the only time you see someone behind a wall is if you see them out in the open first, and then go behind the wall. Other times you have to rely on them making noise or moving a lot in order to be seen behind the wall. Also, you usually can't see them from that far away, and the cheats are limited hugely by this (obviously it's still an insanely huge advantage, though). VAC has more purposes than just catching people cheating, it serves as a wallhack block as well. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 7:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Yes you are. Right now Hackers rule just about any server they want. Secure servers too. Most who use hacks are obvious and get banned. It's the stealth hackers. The ones who are good at not getting caught. The wall hacks and aim bots. When I want to play I go thru 5 servers before I find one w/o Blatant hackers. It's really bad right now. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 8:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Lets face it VAC has been a total washout. Each VAC update we get gives us four hours of no cheating ... That's it. Valve does not have the programming resources to keep up with the hackers who write this stuff for free. All of the anti cheat detections have failed ... The hackers have won. Wait a minute...am I wrong, or doesn't VAC ban cheaters for one year? If this is true, then the cheaters are always being weeded out, right? Even when the script kiddies find new cheats not yet detected by VAC, they're still banned. Am I missing something? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
We all hack ... Makes it fair.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Carter
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 6:15 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
So where's the simple solution??!! :)
Jay
Jay Carter
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Turbo 6 Power Administrator
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Munoz
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 5:37 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
Importance: High
My solution is simple. However, time and resource consuming. I currently
have 18 Admins to cover 3 24/7 servers. Most are regulars who have undergone
a training and trial process before getting their privileges.
I run a HLTV proxy, setup just to record demos. It runs 24/7 and creates a
new file for every map change. I have a scheduled task that runs winrar and
compresses them to a new folder. The file names of the winrar files are
dated so they are easy to find. I have 2 forums on my website for what I
like to call Disruptive Players a public one and a private Admin only
version. The public one you can see here.
http://www.paradisesgarage.com/mcweb/Forums/Disruptive+Players/default.aspx.
I have a specific format that I ask players to post the complaints in. I
also prefer that the complainer make a demo of their own, saves me from
having to search through GB's of Demo files. Depending on the situation I
will review the demo using the time and Steam Id to first find the event in
the log files then review the demo. This happens rarely. Usually My Admins
pay attention to the forums and are on the lookout for the Disruptive
Players and will ban as needed. I merge and propagate my banned.cfg to all
3 servers at least weekly. I also keep track of the Banned players in
Spreadsheet with their Steam ID's, names and IP address. My ban list is at
least 100+ long by now, I haven't counted them lately. The people who end up
getting permanently banned were either real jerks or cheaters. Anyone who
wants a copy of this list to add to their banned list is welcome. I had an
even larger list of WON ID's before 1.6. probably around 250 wonid's.
I personally banned at least 6 people in the last week. I have demos of
course so when anyone bothers to contest the ban decision I have proof.
Generally my servers are pretty well run and organized, with a minimal
amount of Admin abuse and cheaters. People like to play there. The main
server is usually Packed 24/7. The servers are for fun, not competitions.
Lots of Plugins and other fun things.
{MC} Paradise CS Server - 216.254.79.10:27015 (Main Server) {MC} Paradise CS
Anarchy Server - 67.93.155.120:27015 (the name says it all) {MC} Paradise CS
Extra Server - 67.93.155.120:27014 (just that an EXTRA server, takes up the
slack when main is full)
Mike ParaDOX Munoz
www.paradisesgarage.com
-Original Message-
From: Dennis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 3:06 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:55 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
Yes you are.
Right now Hackers rule just about any server they want.
Secure servers too.
Most who use hacks are obvious and get banned.
It's the stealth hackers. The ones who are good at not getting caught.
The wall hacks and aim bots.
When I want to play I go thru 5 servers before I find one w/o Blatant
hackers.
It's really bad right now.
Believe me, I know how bad it is. I ran a WON server for about 9 months and
I was banning several people every day by June of this year. The last week
that my server was up, a guy I trusted enough to make admin was banned by
HLGuard and disappeared. Funny thing about that is, he banned more people
for cheating than I did. That's the last person I will ever trust.
As someone already mentioned, the smart ones just turn the hacks on long
enough to maintain the top score. Almost every single one started to suck
really BAD as soon as I started spectating. usually they left the server
before I had a chance to be sure that they were cheating. They always swore
up and down that they didn't cheat.
Despite all the cheating going on now though, think of how bad it would be
with no VAC. I have to believe the situation is WAY better than it was on
WON, and after all, the ones who get caught DO get banned.
It'll never be perfect just because there will always be kiddies who are too
stupid or too lazy to have ever accomplished anything in their lives, and
therefore desperately crave the adoration of fellow gamers. I'll never
understand it, especially when it's adults.
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RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
Wall hack block? There are wall hacks that blow right thru VAC. Video driver hacks and such can not be detected by game process. Valve will never fix that because the position of each and every player in the game is sent to each client. The latest I've seen puts a little red or blue dot on screen. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 12:43 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? VAC has more purposes than just catching people cheating, it serves as a wallhack block as well ...matter of semantics there don't you think. -Original Message- From: Spartibus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 12:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
Yeah I know. Don't get me started on the admin abuse which is rampant. Valve needs to have a trusted admin list or a ban admin list. Some sorta method for peeps to complain. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 4:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Yes you are. Right now Hackers rule just about any server they want. Secure servers too. Most who use hacks are obvious and get banned. It's the stealth hackers. The ones who are good at not getting caught. The wall hacks and aim bots. When I want to play I go thru 5 servers before I find one w/o Blatant hackers. It's really bad right now. Believe me, I know how bad it is. I ran a WON server for about 9 months and I was banning several people every day by June of this year. The last week that my server was up, a guy I trusted enough to make admin was banned by HLGuard and disappeared. Funny thing about that is, he banned more people for cheating than I did. That's the last person I will ever trust. As someone already mentioned, the smart ones just turn the hacks on long enough to maintain the top score. Almost every single one started to suck really BAD as soon as I started spectating. usually they left the server before I had a chance to be sure that they were cheating. They always swore up and down that they didn't cheat. Despite all the cheating going on now though, think of how bad it would be with no VAC. I have to believe the situation is WAY better than it was on WON, and after all, the ones who get caught DO get banned. It'll never be perfect just because there will always be kiddies who are too stupid or too lazy to have ever accomplished anything in their lives, and therefore desperately crave the adoration of fellow gamers. I'll never understand it, especially when it's adults. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] VAC Update?
Well, i always thought about posting about this (months ago) and now i will share what i have to say, I will not lie, but i have cheated before. But, the world changes, so as cheats. I host a superhero server, and sometimes it takes hours if people hack, i have been begging for a VAC update, but one day i figured out that the cheats are going to evolve just as VAC does. Then one day i got my steam id banned after an update ( i am not a smart cheater ) Well, i got a copy of counter-strike, and played, and as time went by, everyone started to notice the increasement of people hacking, and hacking, and hacking. One day i decide to install skins in my cs, and i get my steam id banned, i buy a copy of CZ just for the CS:Source and i play again. I have quit playing cs. There are too many cheaters. And that about people getting banned because they're just good, it happened to me once and only once and its probably going to be my only one. Also, i dont think that 3/4 of the cs population cheats, i think it is much less then 1/3 , but what i do know is that it is increasing. I hope the people at Valve are reading these posts, we really , really , need an update. A reason in the increasements is the shut down of WON, i do believe that at least 3/4 of the cs population in WON did cheat, but a big reason that there's more cheaters in 1.6 servers is the 1.5ers moving on. Someone here said that he had to go into at least 5 different servers for there not to be any blatant cheaters, i think your exagerating a little bit there. But then again, your could be not exagerating if you went into an insecure server, which i do not see any point into going in one of those unleess you have your steam id banned. Well, that's what i think, but we should push valve for an update, stand up for the non-cheating cs-community. - Guido Rainuzzo - Original Message - From: K. Mike Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:08 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Spart my friend I was talking about secure servers. This MyGOT thing is real bad right now. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Spartibus Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 12:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? When I want to play I go thru 5 servers before I find one w/o Blatant hackers. That's complete BS. I pub at least once a day, and NEVER (and I mean EVER, not even in 1.3) did I go into more than 2 pubs in succession that had blatant cheaters in them. Your assumptions are BS as well. 3/4 of the entire CS population, cheaters? It's FAR, FAR less than that. You are exaggerating pretty much everything you say. The only possible way I can see you going into 5 servers and having a **BLATANT** hacker in every one of them is if you join ONLY insecure servers. Why? Because insecure servers basically allow any and every cheat to work (and at full potential), period. You probably don't know this because you've never used cheats before, but VAC SEVERELY limits what cheats can do. I've used cheats before (hah), and let me tell you the difference. Insecure Servers: You can practically see people from spawn to spawn (wallhack), people are always on screen. Secure Servers: A lot of times the only time you see someone behind a wall is if you see them out in the open first, and then go behind the wall. Other times you have to rely on them making noise or moving a lot in order to be seen behind the wall. Also, you usually can't see them from that far away, and the cheats are limited hugely by this (obviously it's still an insanely huge advantage, though). VAC has more purposes than just catching people cheating, it serves as a wallhack block as well. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 7:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Yes you are. Right now Hackers rule just about any server they want. Secure servers too. Most who use hacks are obvious and get banned. It's the stealth hackers. The ones who are good at not getting caught. The wall hacks and aim bots. When I want to play I go thru 5 servers before I find one w/o Blatant hackers. It's really bad right now. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 8:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Lets face it VAC has been a total washout. Each VAC update we get gives us four hours of no cheating ... That's it. Valve does not have the programming resources to keep up
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
I said 3/4 have DL'ed and used cheats at least once in a while. 50% cheat all the time either because they are cheaters at heart or because they want to even the playing field when playing other cheaters. The numbers are growing because of all the cheaters. Once you DL and install that hack, it's hard not to use it if you can turn it on and off. Especially when your last man against 3 or more bad guys. PS: ever notice how most hackers are on Terrorist team? Maybe it's a personality thing? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Spartibus Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 12:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? When I want to play I go thru 5 servers before I find one w/o Blatant hackers. That's complete BS. I pub at least once a day, and NEVER (and I mean EVER, not even in 1.3) did I go into more than 2 pubs in succession that had blatant cheaters in them. Your assumptions are BS as well. 3/4 of the entire CS population, cheaters? It's FAR, FAR less than that. You are exaggerating pretty much everything you say. The only possible way I can see you going into 5 servers and having a **BLATANT** hacker in every one of them is if you join ONLY insecure servers. Why? Because insecure servers basically allow any and every cheat to work (and at full potential), period. You probably don't know this because you've never used cheats before, but VAC SEVERELY limits what cheats can do. I've used cheats before (hah), and let me tell you the difference. Insecure Servers: You can practically see people from spawn to spawn (wallhack), people are always on screen. Secure Servers: A lot of times the only time you see someone behind a wall is if you see them out in the open first, and then go behind the wall. Other times you have to rely on them making noise or moving a lot in order to be seen behind the wall. Also, you usually can't see them from that far away, and the cheats are limited hugely by this (obviously it's still an insanely huge advantage, though). VAC has more purposes than just catching people cheating, it serves as a wallhack block as well. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 7:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Yes you are. Right now Hackers rule just about any server they want. Secure servers too. Most who use hacks are obvious and get banned. It's the stealth hackers. The ones who are good at not getting caught. The wall hacks and aim bots. When I want to play I go thru 5 servers before I find one w/o Blatant hackers. It's really bad right now. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 8:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Lets face it VAC has been a total washout. Each VAC update we get gives us four hours of no cheating ... That's it. Valve does not have the programming resources to keep up with the hackers who write this stuff for free. All of the anti cheat detections have failed ... The hackers have won. Wait a minute...am I wrong, or doesn't VAC ban cheaters for one year? If this is true, then the cheaters are always being weeded out, right? Even when the script kiddies find new cheats not yet detected by VAC, they're still banned. Am I missing something? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
--- In any case, the blantant hackers are not the problem, they are easy to catch, do not rquire vast amounts of administrators time to prove that the person is hacking, and generally do not play competitive Counter-Strike. --- I would Never play CS in any competition unless we all met at one place and the PC's were loaded by a referee. Especially if money was at stake. Can you say Format C: ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
I do not use hacks and never have but, I did notice that when CZ first came out my scores went way up. Now I'm back at the levels when I played 1.6(1 to 1 ratio). My son, when he comes over and visits, we play in the same server/map as I do and we play literally side by side (computers next to each other) and on the same team. That hack is the best of all! Not detectable and you can see everything going on. We have tried that only 2 or 3 times. Was a lot of fun! Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Guido Rainuzzo Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 6:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] VAC Update? Well, i always thought about posting about this (months ago) and now i will share what i have to say, I will not lie, but i have cheated before. But, the world changes, so as cheats. I host a superhero server, and sometimes it takes hours if people hack, i have been begging for a VAC update, but one day i figured out that the cheats are going to evolve just as VAC does. Then one day i got my steam id banned after an update ( i am not a smart cheater ) Well, i got a copy of counter-strike, and played, and as time went by, everyone started to notice the increasement of people hacking, and hacking, and hacking. One day i decide to install skins in my cs, and i get my steam id banned, i buy a copy of CZ just for the CS:Source and i play again. I have quit playing cs. There are too many cheaters. And that about people getting banned because they're just good, it happened to me once and only once and its probably going to be my only one. Also, i dont think that 3/4 of the cs population cheats, i think it is much less then 1/3 , but what i do know is that it is increasing. I hope the people at Valve are reading these posts, we really , really , need an update. A reason in the increasements is the shut down of WON, i do believe that at least 3/4 of the cs population in WON did cheat, but a big reason that there's more cheaters in 1.6 servers is the 1.5ers moving on. Someone here said that he had to go into at least 5 different servers for there not to be any blatant cheaters, i think your exagerating a little bit there. But then again, your could be not exagerating if you went into an insecure server, which i do not see any point into going in one of those unleess you have your steam id banned. Well, that's what i think, but we should push valve for an update, stand up for the non-cheating cs-community. - Guido Rainuzzo - Original Message - From: K. Mike Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:08 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Spart my friend I was talking about secure servers. This MyGOT thing is real bad right now. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Spartibus Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 12:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? When I want to play I go thru 5 servers before I find one w/o Blatant hackers. That's complete BS. I pub at least once a day, and NEVER (and I mean EVER, not even in 1.3) did I go into more than 2 pubs in succession that had blatant cheaters in them. Your assumptions are BS as well. 3/4 of the entire CS population, cheaters? It's FAR, FAR less than that. You are exaggerating pretty much everything you say. The only possible way I can see you going into 5 servers and having a **BLATANT** hacker in every one of them is if you join ONLY insecure servers. Why? Because insecure servers basically allow any and every cheat to work (and at full potential), period. You probably don't know this because you've never used cheats before, but VAC SEVERELY limits what cheats can do. I've used cheats before (hah), and let me tell you the difference. Insecure Servers: You can practically see people from spawn to spawn (wallhack), people are always on screen. Secure Servers: A lot of times the only time you see someone behind a wall is if you see them out in the open first, and then go behind the wall. Other times you have to rely on them making noise or moving a lot in order to be seen behind the wall. Also, you usually can't see them from that far away, and the cheats are limited hugely by this (obviously it's still an insanely huge advantage, though). VAC has more purposes than just catching people cheating, it serves as a wallhack block as well. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 7:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Yes you are. Right now Hackers rule just about any server they want. Secure servers too. Most who use hacks are obvious and get banned. It's the stealth hackers. The ones who are good at not getting caught. The wall hacks and aim bots. When I want to play I go thru 5
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
K. Mike Bradley wrote: I said 3/4 have DL'ed and used cheats at least once in a while. 50% cheat all the time either because they are cheaters at heart or because they want to even the playing field when playing other cheaters. The numbers are growing because of all the cheaters. Hey Mike, you want to start, I don't know, bringing some data with ya when you make these ridiculous claims? If one admin out two respond after this saying that like me, they don't cheat, will you be quiet then? And while you're at it... You may or may not have noticed this, but this isn't a forum, it's a listsrv, and adding a one line response on top of about 22K of misquoted and mangled crap is about the most useless thing a learned admin could do. There are people who get the digest of the list and when you make posts like you did it completely destroys any sense of continuity and needlessly bloats the digests. Not to mention there are people on the list who have metered usage, so downloading all these over-quoted responses does them no favors either. You're using Outlook, so take a look at the great program Outlook Quotefix at http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/. It'll automatically do things like strip out signatures and listsrv footers (assuming they're properly delineated by --), put a sensible quote header in, word wrap stuff, and move your cursor beneath quoted material automatically. All you need to do is pick out the stuff you don't want quoted and delete it, a task that takes about 5 seconds. -- Tim ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
[ Converted text/html to text/plain ] Its the SIG and the AK The AK is a 1 shot headshot beast right out to extreme range. The SIG has the best aimbot recoil pattern of any gun that does real damage. Original Message Follows From: K. Mike Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:23:56 -0400 I said 3/4 have DL'ed and used cheats at least once in a while. 50% cheat all the time either because they are cheaters at heart or because they want to even the playing field when playing other cheaters. The numbers are growing because of all the cheaters. Once you DL and install that hack, it's hard not to use it if you can turn it on and off. Especially when your last man against 3 or more bad guys. PS: ever notice how most hackers are on Terrorist team? Maybe it's a personality thing? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Spartibus Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 12:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? When I want to play I go thru 5 servers before I find one w/o Blatant hackers. That's complete BS. I pub at least once a day, and NEVER (and I mean EVER, not even in 1.3) did I go into more than 2 pubs in succession that had blatant cheaters in them. Your assumptions are BS as well. 3/4 of the entire CS population, cheaters? It's FAR, FAR less than that. You are exaggerating pretty much everything you say. The only possible way I can see you going into 5 servers and having a **BLATANT** hacker in every one of them is if you join ONLY insecure servers. Why? Because insecure servers basically allow any and every cheat to work (and at full potential), period. You probably don't know this because you've never used cheats before, but VAC SEVERELY limits what cheats can do. I've used cheats before (hah), and let me tell you the difference. Insecure Servers: You can practically see people from spawn to spawn (wallhack), people are always on screen. Secure Servers: A lot of times the only time you see someone behind a wall is if you see them out in the open first, and then go behind the wall. Other times you have to rely on them making noise or moving a lot in order to be seen behind the wall. Also, you usually can't see them from that far away, and the cheats are limited hugely by this (obviously it's still an insanely huge advantage, though). VAC has more purposes than just catching people cheating, it serves as a wallhack block as well. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 7:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Yes you are. Right now Hackers rule just about any server they want. Secure servers too. Most who use hacks are obvious and get banned. It's the stealth hackers. The ones who are good at not getting caught. The wall hacks and aim bots. When I want to play I go thru 5 servers before I find one w/o Blatant hackers. It's really bad right now. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 8:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Lets face it VAC has been a total washout. Each VAC update we get gives us four hours of no cheating ... That's it. Valve does not have the programming resources to keep up with the hackers who write this stuff for free. All of the anti cheat detections have failed ... The hackers have won. Wait a minute...am I wrong, or doesn't VAC ban cheaters for one year? If this is true, then the cheaters are always being weeded out, right? Even when the script kiddies find new cheats not yet detected by VAC, they're still banned. Am I missing something? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Protect your inbox from harmful viruses with new ninemsn Premium. Click here[1] ===References:=== 1. http://g.msn.com/8HMBENAU/2734??PS
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
Lets face it VAC has been a total washout. Each VAC update we get gives us four hours of no cheating ... That's it. Valve does not have the programming resources to keep up with the hackers who write this stuff for free. All of the anti cheat detections have failed ... The hackers have won. We can either set up our servers with a password and invite friends or maybe we all should hack to make it even. THAT WOULD BE A LAUGH EH It would totally ruin any hacks now and in the future if we all used them. Level playing field once again. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper . Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] VAC Update? [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] Is VAC going to get updated anytime soon? If it is being updated, can it be announced on this list? Can VAC / Valve allow Cheating Death to be compatible and let server administrators decide themselves if they want to hassel of supporting 3rd part fucntionality or not? Its not like Cheating Death bans anybody, at worst it denys people access to your server which is not a major issue in most cases. I do not know about the rest of you, but it seems on our VAC Enabled servers any average idiot can join and look like a professional CS player with the latest and greatest aimbots, whcih are extremely difficult to pick up even when viewing the demo in slow motion, if the aimbot is properly configured, which seems to be most of the time these days. :( -- Play Love Hunt to win a $9000 holiday [1] and find love! ===References:=== 1. http://g.msn.com/8HMAENAU/2731??PS=47575 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
Have you somehow forgotten the HUGE projects being worked on right now, especially as they near the release? VAC is FAR more useful than you think. A while ago VAC was updated something crazy like 9 times in one week, or at least near there. SO many people got banned during that period, it wasn't even funny. When Valve finally releases all of their major projects, this is how regularly I think we'll see VAC being updated. You're a server admin, right? Obviously you can't be on your server all the time, but it's definitely not hard to tell when someone's cheating. Quit being so lazy and take matters into your own hands. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 5:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Lets face it VAC has been a total washout. Each VAC update we get gives us four hours of no cheating ... That's it. Valve does not have the programming resources to keep up with the hackers who write this stuff for free. All of the anti cheat detections have failed ... The hackers have won. We can either set up our servers with a password and invite friends or maybe we all should hack to make it even. THAT WOULD BE A LAUGH EH It would totally ruin any hacks now and in the future if we all used them. Level playing field once again. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper . Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] VAC Update? [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] Is VAC going to get updated anytime soon? If it is being updated, can it be announced on this list? Can VAC / Valve allow Cheating Death to be compatible and let server administrators decide themselves if they want to hassel of supporting 3rd part fucntionality or not? Its not like Cheating Death bans anybody, at worst it denys people access to your server which is not a major issue in most cases. I do not know about the rest of you, but it seems on our VAC Enabled servers any average idiot can join and look like a professional CS player with the latest and greatest aimbots, whcih are extremely difficult to pick up even when viewing the demo in slow motion, if the aimbot is properly configured, which seems to be most of the time these days. :( -- Play Love Hunt to win a $9000 holiday [1] and find love! ===References:=== 1. http://g.msn.com/8HMAENAU/2731??PS=47575 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] VAC Update?
The best cheat prevention is a following of good, honest regulars, coupled with a handful of honest admins. Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 8:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update? Lets face it VAC has been a total washout. Each VAC update we get gives us four hours of no cheating ... That's it. Valve does not have the programming resources to keep up with the hackers who write this stuff for free. All of the anti cheat detections have failed ... The hackers have won. We can either set up our servers with a password and invite friends or maybe we all should hack to make it even. THAT WOULD BE A LAUGH EH It would totally ruin any hacks now and in the future if we all used them. Level playing field once again. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper . Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] VAC Update? [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] Is VAC going to get updated anytime soon? If it is being updated, can it be announced on this list? Can VAC / Valve allow Cheating Death to be compatible and let server administrators decide themselves if they want to hassel of supporting 3rd part fucntionality or not? Its not like Cheating Death bans anybody, at worst it denys people access to your server which is not a major issue in most cases. I do not know about the rest of you, but it seems on our VAC Enabled servers any average idiot can join and look like a professional CS player with the latest and greatest aimbots, whcih are extremely difficult to pick up even when viewing the demo in slow motion, if the aimbot is properly configured, which seems to be most of the time these days. :( -- Play Love Hunt to win a $9000 holiday [1] and find love! ===References:=== 1. http://g.msn.com/8HMAENAU/2731??PS=47575 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] VAC Update
I wish they would update it at least every 2 weeks and not tell anyone they did. Just let the cheaters find out when they're banned. - Original Message - From: Floop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 01:32 AM Subject: [hlds] VAC Update When was the last VAC update? Wasn't it like a month ago? Sure was nice when it was being updated several times a week. Any chance on getting a comment from a Valve employee as to if/when the updates will pick up again? Thanks, Floop ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] VAC Update
Or maybe even: VAC was updated two weeks ago and x no. of players have since been banned. Now that would be cool. -Original Message- From: Donald Holl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 1:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] VAC Update I wish they would update it at least every 2 weeks and not tell anyone they did. Just let the cheaters find out when they're banned. - Original Message - From: Floop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 01:32 AM Subject: [hlds] VAC Update When was the last VAC update? Wasn't it like a month ago? Sure was nice when it was being updated several times a week. Any chance on getting a comment from a Valve employee as to if/when the updates will pick up again? Thanks, Floop ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] VAC Update
lol i love this idea - Original Message - From: Donald Holl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 2:44 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] VAC Update I wish they would update it at least every 2 weeks and not tell anyone they did. Just let the cheaters find out when they're banned. - Original Message - From: Floop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 01:32 AM Subject: [hlds] VAC Update When was the last VAC update? Wasn't it like a month ago? Sure was nice when it was being updated several times a week. Any chance on getting a comment from a Valve employee as to if/when the updates will pick up again? Thanks, Floop ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] VAC Update
For the record I perfer they let us know within 24 hours after if not before hand. Actually though for all we know there might have been updates... -Original Message- From: HLDS List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update Or maybe even: VAC was updated two weeks ago and x no. of players have since been banned. Now that would be cool. -Original Message- From: Donald Holl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 1:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] VAC Update I wish they would update it at least every 2 weeks and not tell anyone they did. Just let the cheaters find out when they're banned. - Original Message - From: Floop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 01:32 AM Subject: [hlds] VAC Update When was the last VAC update? Wasn't it like a month ago? Sure was nice when it was being updated several times a week. Any chance on getting a comment from a Valve employee as to if/when the updates will pick up again? Thanks, Floop ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
