Re: [hlds] Profanity in your server
hardly. --mauirixxx -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Blood Letter Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 1:03 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Profanity in your server Msleeper shits up the list again. _ Get gifts for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now. http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=xbox+games&scope=cashback&form=MSH YCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_Shopping_Giftsforthem_cashback_1x1 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Profanity in your server
I personally liked how it was entirely out of context since he ingeniously deleted what he was replying to. On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 07:19 +0800, Shane Arnold wrote: > Thankyou for your insightful and helpful post. At least he remains > somewhat on topic. > > Welcome to my spam list bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.com > > On 10/12/2009 7:02 AM, Blood Letter wrote: > > Msleeper shits up the list again. > > > > _ > > Get gifts for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now. > > http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=xbox+games&scope=cashback&form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_Shopping_Giftsforthem_cashback_1x1 > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Profanity in your server
Thankyou for your insightful and helpful post. At least he remains somewhat on topic. Welcome to my spam list bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.com On 10/12/2009 7:02 AM, Blood Letter wrote: > Msleeper shits up the list again. > > _ > Get gifts for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now. > http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=xbox+games&scope=cashback&form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_Shopping_Giftsforthem_cashback_1x1 > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Profanity in your server
Msleeper shits up the list again. _ Get gifts for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now. http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=xbox+games&scope=cashback&form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_Shopping_Giftsforthem_cashback_1x1 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Profanity in your server
Correct, This is a perfect case for why you shouldn't post when you have the flu, haven't slept and are under the influence of multiple pharmaceuticals. In which case, I would like to say that SourceBans sounds like a lovely solution for admins, while SteamBans is the one I dislike. On 10/12/2009 6:56 AM, msleeper wrote: > Wait hold on, I think you mixed up the 2 names. > > SourceBans is a SourceMod+MySQL based banning plugin. It is useful to > track bans and provide a lot more ban support than the built in > banned_users.cfg. It is local-only. It's also useful if you have > multiple servers and don't want to sync your banfiles, since again it is > all done through MySQL. > > SteamBans is the public ban software, where admins have to apply to be > able to submit bans and such things. > > > On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 06:51 +0800, Shane Arnold wrote: > >> Absolutely right, I didn't realise Sourcebans also allowed local-only >> bans. I was under the impression it was purely a community-driven system >> with no actual control over local bans. >> >> On 10/12/2009 6:25 AM, msleeper wrote: >> >>> You have to think of it this way: there are at any given point in time >>> about 3,000 TF2 servers online and usually around 10-15k players playing >>> the game. A player being banned from your 2 or 3 or however many servers >>> is literally a drop in the massive bucket of potential places to play. I >>> think that the -minority- of servers/server ops/communities share >>> banlists and ban people wholesale based on steam group and friend lists. >>> >>> In my experience, most of the people negatively affected by a wholesale >>> banning - IE a player who was in some group "on accident" or whatever - >>> will either flat out not care and find another server, or come to your >>> site asking WTF and to be unbanned. And this latter group is far smaller >>> since there is such an abundance of servers for people to play on. >>> Umbrella banning people based on conduct or steam group membership isn't >>> the best solution, but when a large amount of players seem to be >>> assholes it's easier to just block possible trouble makers than wait for >>> them to come find you. And again, they're only an unban request away >>> from playing on the server. >>> >>> Also FYI, what you were talking about sounds a lot like SteamBans so you >>> might want to look into that. Unfortunately SteamBans doesn't consider >>> things like "being the owner of a myg0t steam group" or "calling server >>> admins names" a bannable offense, but that is were community based >>> bannings are great. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 06:09 +0800, Shane Arnold wrote: >>> >>> I have a problem with community-created banlists, and their adoption by server owners (i.e Sourcebans). For example, for my short duration on these lists I have seen entire groups, associated groups and their members banned due to the wrong-doings of one person. Not only this, but some of those bans have been on the basis of misconduct, not neccesarily cheating or hacking. But again that goes back to my point of server owners being allowed to do their own thing. Of course if this method of blanket-banning becomes popular, then that will mean there is a possibility that those who have been banned incorrectly (for just "being" in a targeted group, associated with, or have had their account stolent, e.t.c) would find less and less servers that they can play on. It's not a great idea. I believe a better system is a readily-accessibly, ingame (or website based for gaming communities) user-content driven ban system, such as a method to integrate an ingame chat trigger that could send a Steam chat request to a specified SteamID or ChatID (which is provided for in the Steam SDK and it's steam:// protocol), or a simple webform that players can use via the Steam WEB window, or add a review request to a queue or something similar for review. That way, when cheating/misconduct is experienced on a particular server, the administrator could then add the relevant details to a banlist, which would apply to their own servers, instead of unneccesarily blanket-banning. I believe admins should be more responsible for their own servers, instead of relying on a community-driven system that can be abused. On 10/12/2009 5:47 AM, Phillip Vector wrote: > Oh.. I agree fully. If someone decided to implement a swear ban > plug-in, I would be all for it for the server owners who wanted it. > > The only issue I would have is if the maker of said plug-in said that > swearing is cheating and everyone should ban these people. Then > provide the server owners with a list of people who cursed calling > them cheaters. > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Shane Arnold > wrote: > > >
Re: [hlds] Profanity in your server
Wait hold on, I think you mixed up the 2 names. SourceBans is a SourceMod+MySQL based banning plugin. It is useful to track bans and provide a lot more ban support than the built in banned_users.cfg. It is local-only. It's also useful if you have multiple servers and don't want to sync your banfiles, since again it is all done through MySQL. SteamBans is the public ban software, where admins have to apply to be able to submit bans and such things. On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 06:51 +0800, Shane Arnold wrote: > Absolutely right, I didn't realise Sourcebans also allowed local-only > bans. I was under the impression it was purely a community-driven system > with no actual control over local bans. > > On 10/12/2009 6:25 AM, msleeper wrote: > > You have to think of it this way: there are at any given point in time > > about 3,000 TF2 servers online and usually around 10-15k players playing > > the game. A player being banned from your 2 or 3 or however many servers > > is literally a drop in the massive bucket of potential places to play. I > > think that the -minority- of servers/server ops/communities share > > banlists and ban people wholesale based on steam group and friend lists. > > > > In my experience, most of the people negatively affected by a wholesale > > banning - IE a player who was in some group "on accident" or whatever - > > will either flat out not care and find another server, or come to your > > site asking WTF and to be unbanned. And this latter group is far smaller > > since there is such an abundance of servers for people to play on. > > Umbrella banning people based on conduct or steam group membership isn't > > the best solution, but when a large amount of players seem to be > > assholes it's easier to just block possible trouble makers than wait for > > them to come find you. And again, they're only an unban request away > > from playing on the server. > > > > Also FYI, what you were talking about sounds a lot like SteamBans so you > > might want to look into that. Unfortunately SteamBans doesn't consider > > things like "being the owner of a myg0t steam group" or "calling server > > admins names" a bannable offense, but that is were community based > > bannings are great. > > > > > > On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 06:09 +0800, Shane Arnold wrote: > > > >> I have a problem with community-created banlists, and their adoption by > >> server owners (i.e Sourcebans). For example, for my short duration on > >> these lists I have seen entire groups, associated groups and their > >> members banned due to the wrong-doings of one person. Not only this, but > >> some of those bans have been on the basis of misconduct, not neccesarily > >> cheating or hacking. But again that goes back to my point of server > >> owners being allowed to do their own thing. > >> > >> Of course if this method of blanket-banning becomes popular, then that > >> will mean there is a possibility that those who have been banned > >> incorrectly (for just "being" in a targeted group, associated with, or > >> have had their account stolent, e.t.c) would find less and less servers > >> that they can play on. It's not a great idea. > >> > >> I believe a better system is a readily-accessibly, ingame (or website > >> based for gaming communities) user-content driven ban system, such as a > >> method to integrate an ingame chat trigger that could send a Steam chat > >> request to a specified SteamID or ChatID (which is provided for in the > >> Steam SDK and it's steam:// protocol), or a simple webform that players > >> can use via the Steam WEB window, or add a review request to a queue or > >> something similar for review. That way, when cheating/misconduct is > >> experienced on a particular server, the administrator could then add the > >> relevant details to a banlist, which would apply to their own servers, > >> instead of unneccesarily blanket-banning. > >> > >> I believe admins should be more responsible for their own servers, > >> instead of relying on a community-driven system that can be abused. > >> > >> On 10/12/2009 5:47 AM, Phillip Vector wrote: > >> > >>> Oh.. I agree fully. If someone decided to implement a swear ban > >>> plug-in, I would be all for it for the server owners who wanted it. > >>> > >>> The only issue I would have is if the maker of said plug-in said that > >>> swearing is cheating and everyone should ban these people. Then > >>> provide the server owners with a list of people who cursed calling > >>> them cheaters. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Shane Arnold > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > Haha, oh ouch. > > Anyway, as msleeper said, server owners can do what they like with their > servers. > > On 10/12/2009 5:31 AM, Phillip Vector wrote: > > > > Yeah. it's not like he's running some kind of list of people he feels > > are cheaters and making it seem they deserve to be banned from all the > > servers for someth
Re: [hlds] Profanity in your server
Absolutely right, I didn't realise Sourcebans also allowed local-only bans. I was under the impression it was purely a community-driven system with no actual control over local bans. On 10/12/2009 6:25 AM, msleeper wrote: > You have to think of it this way: there are at any given point in time > about 3,000 TF2 servers online and usually around 10-15k players playing > the game. A player being banned from your 2 or 3 or however many servers > is literally a drop in the massive bucket of potential places to play. I > think that the -minority- of servers/server ops/communities share > banlists and ban people wholesale based on steam group and friend lists. > > In my experience, most of the people negatively affected by a wholesale > banning - IE a player who was in some group "on accident" or whatever - > will either flat out not care and find another server, or come to your > site asking WTF and to be unbanned. And this latter group is far smaller > since there is such an abundance of servers for people to play on. > Umbrella banning people based on conduct or steam group membership isn't > the best solution, but when a large amount of players seem to be > assholes it's easier to just block possible trouble makers than wait for > them to come find you. And again, they're only an unban request away > from playing on the server. > > Also FYI, what you were talking about sounds a lot like SteamBans so you > might want to look into that. Unfortunately SteamBans doesn't consider > things like "being the owner of a myg0t steam group" or "calling server > admins names" a bannable offense, but that is were community based > bannings are great. > > > On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 06:09 +0800, Shane Arnold wrote: > >> I have a problem with community-created banlists, and their adoption by >> server owners (i.e Sourcebans). For example, for my short duration on >> these lists I have seen entire groups, associated groups and their >> members banned due to the wrong-doings of one person. Not only this, but >> some of those bans have been on the basis of misconduct, not neccesarily >> cheating or hacking. But again that goes back to my point of server >> owners being allowed to do their own thing. >> >> Of course if this method of blanket-banning becomes popular, then that >> will mean there is a possibility that those who have been banned >> incorrectly (for just "being" in a targeted group, associated with, or >> have had their account stolent, e.t.c) would find less and less servers >> that they can play on. It's not a great idea. >> >> I believe a better system is a readily-accessibly, ingame (or website >> based for gaming communities) user-content driven ban system, such as a >> method to integrate an ingame chat trigger that could send a Steam chat >> request to a specified SteamID or ChatID (which is provided for in the >> Steam SDK and it's steam:// protocol), or a simple webform that players >> can use via the Steam WEB window, or add a review request to a queue or >> something similar for review. That way, when cheating/misconduct is >> experienced on a particular server, the administrator could then add the >> relevant details to a banlist, which would apply to their own servers, >> instead of unneccesarily blanket-banning. >> >> I believe admins should be more responsible for their own servers, >> instead of relying on a community-driven system that can be abused. >> >> On 10/12/2009 5:47 AM, Phillip Vector wrote: >> >>> Oh.. I agree fully. If someone decided to implement a swear ban >>> plug-in, I would be all for it for the server owners who wanted it. >>> >>> The only issue I would have is if the maker of said plug-in said that >>> swearing is cheating and everyone should ban these people. Then >>> provide the server owners with a list of people who cursed calling >>> them cheaters. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Shane Arnold >>> wrote: >>> >>> Haha, oh ouch. Anyway, as msleeper said, server owners can do what they like with their servers. On 10/12/2009 5:31 AM, Phillip Vector wrote: > Yeah. it's not like he's running some kind of list of people he feels > are cheaters and making it seem they deserve to be banned from all the > servers for something like idling.. I also bet he isn't setting up a > server just to catch said idlers either. :) > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:15 PM, msleeper > wrote: > > > >> But as I said, your rules are your rules and that is A-Okay with me. I >> don't care what other people do on their own servers, and since I don't >> play there it doesn't matter if I understand why you want to control >> peoples' language in an M rated game. It's your server, more power to >> you. >> >> >> > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list arc
Re: [hlds] Profanity in your server
You have to think of it this way: there are at any given point in time about 3,000 TF2 servers online and usually around 10-15k players playing the game. A player being banned from your 2 or 3 or however many servers is literally a drop in the massive bucket of potential places to play. I think that the -minority- of servers/server ops/communities share banlists and ban people wholesale based on steam group and friend lists. In my experience, most of the people negatively affected by a wholesale banning - IE a player who was in some group "on accident" or whatever - will either flat out not care and find another server, or come to your site asking WTF and to be unbanned. And this latter group is far smaller since there is such an abundance of servers for people to play on. Umbrella banning people based on conduct or steam group membership isn't the best solution, but when a large amount of players seem to be assholes it's easier to just block possible trouble makers than wait for them to come find you. And again, they're only an unban request away from playing on the server. Also FYI, what you were talking about sounds a lot like SteamBans so you might want to look into that. Unfortunately SteamBans doesn't consider things like "being the owner of a myg0t steam group" or "calling server admins names" a bannable offense, but that is were community based bannings are great. On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 06:09 +0800, Shane Arnold wrote: > I have a problem with community-created banlists, and their adoption by > server owners (i.e Sourcebans). For example, for my short duration on > these lists I have seen entire groups, associated groups and their > members banned due to the wrong-doings of one person. Not only this, but > some of those bans have been on the basis of misconduct, not neccesarily > cheating or hacking. But again that goes back to my point of server > owners being allowed to do their own thing. > > Of course if this method of blanket-banning becomes popular, then that > will mean there is a possibility that those who have been banned > incorrectly (for just "being" in a targeted group, associated with, or > have had their account stolent, e.t.c) would find less and less servers > that they can play on. It's not a great idea. > > I believe a better system is a readily-accessibly, ingame (or website > based for gaming communities) user-content driven ban system, such as a > method to integrate an ingame chat trigger that could send a Steam chat > request to a specified SteamID or ChatID (which is provided for in the > Steam SDK and it's steam:// protocol), or a simple webform that players > can use via the Steam WEB window, or add a review request to a queue or > something similar for review. That way, when cheating/misconduct is > experienced on a particular server, the administrator could then add the > relevant details to a banlist, which would apply to their own servers, > instead of unneccesarily blanket-banning. > > I believe admins should be more responsible for their own servers, > instead of relying on a community-driven system that can be abused. > > On 10/12/2009 5:47 AM, Phillip Vector wrote: > > Oh.. I agree fully. If someone decided to implement a swear ban > > plug-in, I would be all for it for the server owners who wanted it. > > > > The only issue I would have is if the maker of said plug-in said that > > swearing is cheating and everyone should ban these people. Then > > provide the server owners with a list of people who cursed calling > > them cheaters. > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Shane Arnold > > wrote: > > > >> Haha, oh ouch. > >> > >> Anyway, as msleeper said, server owners can do what they like with their > >> servers. > >> > >> On 10/12/2009 5:31 AM, Phillip Vector wrote: > >> > >>> Yeah. it's not like he's running some kind of list of people he feels > >>> are cheaters and making it seem they deserve to be banned from all the > >>> servers for something like idling.. I also bet he isn't setting up a > >>> server just to catch said idlers either. :) > >>> > >>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:15 PM, msleeper > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > But as I said, your rules are your rules and that is A-Okay with me. I > don't care what other people do on their own servers, and since I don't > play there it doesn't matter if I understand why you want to control > peoples' language in an M rated game. It's your server, more power to > you. > > > >>> ___ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>> please visit: > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>> > >>> > >> ___ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > >> > >>
Re: [hlds] Profanity in your server
I have a problem with community-created banlists, and their adoption by server owners (i.e Sourcebans). For example, for my short duration on these lists I have seen entire groups, associated groups and their members banned due to the wrong-doings of one person. Not only this, but some of those bans have been on the basis of misconduct, not neccesarily cheating or hacking. But again that goes back to my point of server owners being allowed to do their own thing. Of course if this method of blanket-banning becomes popular, then that will mean there is a possibility that those who have been banned incorrectly (for just "being" in a targeted group, associated with, or have had their account stolent, e.t.c) would find less and less servers that they can play on. It's not a great idea. I believe a better system is a readily-accessibly, ingame (or website based for gaming communities) user-content driven ban system, such as a method to integrate an ingame chat trigger that could send a Steam chat request to a specified SteamID or ChatID (which is provided for in the Steam SDK and it's steam:// protocol), or a simple webform that players can use via the Steam WEB window, or add a review request to a queue or something similar for review. That way, when cheating/misconduct is experienced on a particular server, the administrator could then add the relevant details to a banlist, which would apply to their own servers, instead of unneccesarily blanket-banning. I believe admins should be more responsible for their own servers, instead of relying on a community-driven system that can be abused. On 10/12/2009 5:47 AM, Phillip Vector wrote: > Oh.. I agree fully. If someone decided to implement a swear ban > plug-in, I would be all for it for the server owners who wanted it. > > The only issue I would have is if the maker of said plug-in said that > swearing is cheating and everyone should ban these people. Then > provide the server owners with a list of people who cursed calling > them cheaters. > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Shane Arnold wrote: > >> Haha, oh ouch. >> >> Anyway, as msleeper said, server owners can do what they like with their >> servers. >> >> On 10/12/2009 5:31 AM, Phillip Vector wrote: >> >>> Yeah. it's not like he's running some kind of list of people he feels >>> are cheaters and making it seem they deserve to be banned from all the >>> servers for something like idling.. I also bet he isn't setting up a >>> server just to catch said idlers either. :) >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:15 PM, msleeper >>> wrote: >>> >>> But as I said, your rules are your rules and that is A-Okay with me. I don't care what other people do on their own servers, and since I don't play there it doesn't matter if I understand why you want to control peoples' language in an M rated game. It's your server, more power to you. >>> ___ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Profanity in your server
It is a bit more difficult then that. What constitutes a swear varies from person to person. I never considered "Damm" a curse and was quite surprised that some do. Varing levels of sensitivity can be an issue. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:43 PM, msleeper wrote: > The how is pretty simple; get a text chat language filter, and for voice > find yourself some people who want to admin and think swearing is bad > also. It's not rocket surgery. > > > On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 16:40 -0500, Mark wrote: >> I personally don't care if someone runs their mouth (unless they are >> intentionally stirring the pot and offending players and admins) - >> however racial slurs are generally not acceptable (one would hope), so >> such means might be useful in that case. Racial profanities will >> easily get you slapped with the ban-hammer on my servers. >> >> However, for this to be a productive discussion, maybe instead of >> debating WHY, we should discuss the HOW - how someone who might be >> interested in implementing anti-profanity measures would be able to do >> so effectively. >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 4:37 PM, msleeper >> wrote: >> > I knew you would chime in with your astonishingly intelligent remarks >> > (always followed by a smiley face) and I'm glad you did; these two >> > things are in fact pretty much the same issue. You clearly don't >> > understand why someone doesn't like players doing X on my servers, but >> > it's also not required that you do understand it. X can be as trivial as >> > I, the server operator, want it to be. >> > >> > I don't get why he thinks swearing is considered bad, and you don't get >> > why I think idleing or farming is bad. But neither of us have to >> > understand. >> > >> > >> > On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 13:31 -0800, Phillip Vector wrote: >> >> Yeah. it's not like he's running some kind of list of people he feels >> >> are cheaters and making it seem they deserve to be banned from all the >> >> servers for something like idling.. I also bet he isn't setting up a >> >> server just to catch said idlers either. :) >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:15 PM, msleeper >> >> wrote: >> >> > But as I said, your rules are your rules and that is A-Okay with me. I >> >> > don't care what other people do on their own servers, and since I don't >> >> > play there it doesn't matter if I understand why you want to control >> >> > peoples' language in an M rated game. It's your server, more power to >> >> > you. >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> >> please visit: >> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > please visit: >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >> >> >> > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Profanity in your server
You need to get your facts straight; I didn't -provide- anybody with anything. I made something available to those who wanted to get it, but I certainly didn't email people telling them it needed to be done. It's your own problem if you have an issue with what other people do and I'm pretty sure most people are tired of hearing your bullshit that you think is witty or clever. I'm really not interested in arguing the merits of my own personal beliefs and principals on the public list nor have I ever been, but I can sum it up with: you can suck a dick if you don't like what I think. Not to mention the fact that this is like 10 months old news. On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 13:47 -0800, Phillip Vector wrote: > Oh.. I agree fully. If someone decided to implement a swear ban > plug-in, I would be all for it for the server owners who wanted it. > > The only issue I would have is if the maker of said plug-in said that > swearing is cheating and everyone should ban these people. Then > provide the server owners with a list of people who cursed calling > them cheaters. > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Shane Arnold wrote: > > Haha, oh ouch. > > > > Anyway, as msleeper said, server owners can do what they like with their > > servers. > > > > On 10/12/2009 5:31 AM, Phillip Vector wrote: > >> Yeah. it's not like he's running some kind of list of people he feels > >> are cheaters and making it seem they deserve to be banned from all the > >> servers for something like idling.. I also bet he isn't setting up a > >> server just to catch said idlers either. :) > >> > >> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:15 PM, msleeper > >> wrote: > >> > >>> But as I said, your rules are your rules and that is A-Okay with me. I > >>> don't care what other people do on their own servers, and since I don't > >>> play there it doesn't matter if I understand why you want to control > >>> peoples' language in an M rated game. It's your server, more power to > >>> you. > >>> > >> ___ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Profanity in your server
Oh.. I agree fully. If someone decided to implement a swear ban plug-in, I would be all for it for the server owners who wanted it. The only issue I would have is if the maker of said plug-in said that swearing is cheating and everyone should ban these people. Then provide the server owners with a list of people who cursed calling them cheaters. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Shane Arnold wrote: > Haha, oh ouch. > > Anyway, as msleeper said, server owners can do what they like with their > servers. > > On 10/12/2009 5:31 AM, Phillip Vector wrote: >> Yeah. it's not like he's running some kind of list of people he feels >> are cheaters and making it seem they deserve to be banned from all the >> servers for something like idling.. I also bet he isn't setting up a >> server just to catch said idlers either. :) >> >> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:15 PM, msleeper >> wrote: >> >>> But as I said, your rules are your rules and that is A-Okay with me. I >>> don't care what other people do on their own servers, and since I don't >>> play there it doesn't matter if I understand why you want to control >>> peoples' language in an M rated game. It's your server, more power to >>> you. >>> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Profanity in your server
The how is pretty simple; get a text chat language filter, and for voice find yourself some people who want to admin and think swearing is bad also. It's not rocket surgery. On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 16:40 -0500, Mark wrote: > I personally don't care if someone runs their mouth (unless they are > intentionally stirring the pot and offending players and admins) - > however racial slurs are generally not acceptable (one would hope), so > such means might be useful in that case. Racial profanities will > easily get you slapped with the ban-hammer on my servers. > > However, for this to be a productive discussion, maybe instead of > debating WHY, we should discuss the HOW - how someone who might be > interested in implementing anti-profanity measures would be able to do > so effectively. > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 4:37 PM, msleeper wrote: > > I knew you would chime in with your astonishingly intelligent remarks > > (always followed by a smiley face) and I'm glad you did; these two > > things are in fact pretty much the same issue. You clearly don't > > understand why someone doesn't like players doing X on my servers, but > > it's also not required that you do understand it. X can be as trivial as > > I, the server operator, want it to be. > > > > I don't get why he thinks swearing is considered bad, and you don't get > > why I think idleing or farming is bad. But neither of us have to > > understand. > > > > > > On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 13:31 -0800, Phillip Vector wrote: > >> Yeah. it's not like he's running some kind of list of people he feels > >> are cheaters and making it seem they deserve to be banned from all the > >> servers for something like idling.. I also bet he isn't setting up a > >> server just to catch said idlers either. :) > >> > >> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:15 PM, msleeper > >> wrote: > >> > But as I said, your rules are your rules and that is A-Okay with me. I > >> > don't care what other people do on their own servers, and since I don't > >> > play there it doesn't matter if I understand why you want to control > >> > peoples' language in an M rated game. It's your server, more power to > >> > you. > >> > >> ___ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Profanity in your server
I personally don't care if someone runs their mouth (unless they are intentionally stirring the pot and offending players and admins) - however racial slurs are generally not acceptable (one would hope), so such means might be useful in that case. Racial profanities will easily get you slapped with the ban-hammer on my servers. However, for this to be a productive discussion, maybe instead of debating WHY, we should discuss the HOW - how someone who might be interested in implementing anti-profanity measures would be able to do so effectively. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 4:37 PM, msleeper wrote: > I knew you would chime in with your astonishingly intelligent remarks > (always followed by a smiley face) and I'm glad you did; these two > things are in fact pretty much the same issue. You clearly don't > understand why someone doesn't like players doing X on my servers, but > it's also not required that you do understand it. X can be as trivial as > I, the server operator, want it to be. > > I don't get why he thinks swearing is considered bad, and you don't get > why I think idleing or farming is bad. But neither of us have to > understand. > > > On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 13:31 -0800, Phillip Vector wrote: >> Yeah. it's not like he's running some kind of list of people he feels >> are cheaters and making it seem they deserve to be banned from all the >> servers for something like idling.. I also bet he isn't setting up a >> server just to catch said idlers either. :) >> >> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:15 PM, msleeper >> wrote: >> > But as I said, your rules are your rules and that is A-Okay with me. I >> > don't care what other people do on their own servers, and since I don't >> > play there it doesn't matter if I understand why you want to control >> > peoples' language in an M rated game. It's your server, more power to >> > you. >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- -Mark ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Profanity in your server
Haha, oh ouch. Anyway, as msleeper said, server owners can do what they like with their servers. On 10/12/2009 5:31 AM, Phillip Vector wrote: > Yeah. it's not like he's running some kind of list of people he feels > are cheaters and making it seem they deserve to be banned from all the > servers for something like idling.. I also bet he isn't setting up a > server just to catch said idlers either. :) > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:15 PM, msleeper wrote: > >> But as I said, your rules are your rules and that is A-Okay with me. I >> don't care what other people do on their own servers, and since I don't >> play there it doesn't matter if I understand why you want to control >> peoples' language in an M rated game. It's your server, more power to >> you. >> > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Profanity in your server
I knew you would chime in with your astonishingly intelligent remarks (always followed by a smiley face) and I'm glad you did; these two things are in fact pretty much the same issue. You clearly don't understand why someone doesn't like players doing X on my servers, but it's also not required that you do understand it. X can be as trivial as I, the server operator, want it to be. I don't get why he thinks swearing is considered bad, and you don't get why I think idleing or farming is bad. But neither of us have to understand. On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 13:31 -0800, Phillip Vector wrote: > Yeah. it's not like he's running some kind of list of people he feels > are cheaters and making it seem they deserve to be banned from all the > servers for something like idling.. I also bet he isn't setting up a > server just to catch said idlers either. :) > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:15 PM, msleeper wrote: > > But as I said, your rules are your rules and that is A-Okay with me. I > > don't care what other people do on their own servers, and since I don't > > play there it doesn't matter if I understand why you want to control > > peoples' language in an M rated game. It's your server, more power to > > you. > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Profanity in your server
Yeah. it's not like he's running some kind of list of people he feels are cheaters and making it seem they deserve to be banned from all the servers for something like idling.. I also bet he isn't setting up a server just to catch said idlers either. :) On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:15 PM, msleeper wrote: > But as I said, your rules are your rules and that is A-Okay with me. I > don't care what other people do on their own servers, and since I don't > play there it doesn't matter if I understand why you want to control > peoples' language in an M rated game. It's your server, more power to > you. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Profanity in your server
At my age I don't really have the brain cells to spare :-). But I've been on this mailing list longer then most of you, and I learned a long time ago that it's pointless to complain about OT postings. While we are on this subject, have you noticed how calm it has been here lately? That is a bit unusual. Are we loosing members, or is this the calm before the storm? And judging by the profanity filtering plugins that are available and in actual use out there in the real world, I know it just isn't me. There are many servers that make it quite clear that profanity will get you kicked/banned. - Original Message - From: "msleeper" To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Profanity in your server > Or you can fire up another 2 or 3 brain cells and realize that this > isn't the place for client gripes. > > But as I said, your rules are your rules and that is A-Okay with me. I > don't care what other people do on their own servers, and since I don't > play there it doesn't matter if I understand why you want to control > peoples' language in an M rated game. It's your server, more power to > you. > > > On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 13:11 -0800, Ook wrote: >> I probably waste more time discussing things with people that just don't >> get >> it...what I do works and I have players in my server, many of which come >> to >> my server because of my rules. Doesn't really matter to me whether anyone >> else here gets it or agrees with it or not. And if my comments on client >> issues offends you that much, you can solve the problem by simply >> kill-filing me :-) >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "msleeper" >> To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 1:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Profanity in your server >> >> >> >I don't know, maybe he does. He spends a lot of his time doing pointless >> > things like complaining about client issues on a server mailing list, >> > maybe he has time to sit in on his server and play moderator. >> > >> > In seriousness though, the whole profanity issues falls under "admin >> > preference". The people who want to make swearing a bannable offense >> > will, and even though I don't understand that, it's their right and >> > their choice and their servers to do whatever they want with. I >> > (obviously) agree with f0rkz; the game is rated M so that means that >> > the >> > only people playing it are 18 year olds and kiddies whose parents >> > bought >> > it for them and saw the rating. It's a parents' job to keep their kids >> > from hearing bad words in the internet, not ours. >> > >> > I have no idea where this stupid "profanity" tangent is going. >> > >> > >> > On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 05:01 +0800, Shane Arnold wrote: >> >> Yeah, that's the line along which I was thinking. Most people would be >> >> swearing quite freely over the microphone, and I don't think Ook sit's >> >> there monitoring voice comms on his server 24/7. Just seems kind of >> >> pointless. >> >> >> >> On 10/12/2009 4:55 AM, msleeper wrote: >> >> > Probably little if any. Most of the kiddies who freak out with the >> >> > swearing usually do it over mic. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 04:46 +0800, Shane Arnold wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> I am interested in knowing the impact of having word-filters >> >> >> enabled >> >> >> on >> >> >> the player count. I don't agree with the practice, but then again >> >> >> it's >> >> >> not my server(s). >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/12/2009 4:12 AM, Ook wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> I only ban those that refuse to follow the rules, and my ban list >> >> >>> is >> >> >>> quite >> >> >>> small. Those that can't control their potty mouth don't usually >> >> >>> hang >> >> >>> around >> >> >>> for long. The rest of us don't have a problem with it. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> One of admin mods default plugins has a swear filter, or actually >
Re: [hlds] Profanity in your server
OP4 has no voice comms - Valve/Gearbox never got around to adding it. - Original Message - From: "Shane Arnold" To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Profanity in your server > Yeah, that's the line along which I was thinking. Most people would be > swearing quite freely over the microphone, and I don't think Ook sit's > there monitoring voice comms on his server 24/7. Just seems kind of > pointless. > > On 10/12/2009 4:55 AM, msleeper wrote: >> Probably little if any. Most of the kiddies who freak out with the >> swearing usually do it over mic. >> >> >> On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 04:46 +0800, Shane Arnold wrote: >> >>> I am interested in knowing the impact of having word-filters enabled on >>> the player count. I don't agree with the practice, but then again it's >>> not my server(s). >>> >>> On 10/12/2009 4:12 AM, Ook wrote: >>> >>>> I only ban those that refuse to follow the rules, and my ban list is >>>> quite >>>> small. Those that can't control their potty mouth don't usually hang >>>> around >>>> for long. The rest of us don't have a problem with it. >>>> >>>> One of admin mods default plugins has a swear filter, or actually a >>>> word >>>> filter because you can add any word you want the list, and it gets >>>> replaced >>>> with . I wanted to take it a step further, because I got tired of >>>> seeing >>>> " you" all the time. I ended up modifying the sank sounds plugin to >>>> kick >>>> the player when they say certain words. That worked real well - players >>>> learn real fast that on my server, you control your potty mouth or good >>>> bye. >>>> The end result is a server where most of the regulars control their >>>> tongue, >>>> and where those teens that don't swear and don't want to hear it (yeah, >>>> I >>>> know there aren't that many out there, but there are some) can come >>>> here. My >>>> girls can play there without hearing the usual fu arsehole etc etc. >>>> >>>> What is funny is a while ago someone took my private beach map (it's >>>> not >>>> mine, actually - but I run it 24/7 and I've heavily modified the >>>> entities) >>>> and started up an EU server with my name and map, but without the swear >>>> filters. Want to play private beach but want to be able to swear? Come >>>> to >>>> Ooks Private Beach EU server and curse to your hearts content! >>>> >>>> My server kept packing in the peeps, their server sat empty. They >>>> finally >>>> took it down because no one wanted to play there. Go figure :-) >>>> >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Mark" >>>> To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:26 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update >>>> Released >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. Unfortunately, I would imagine teens being a large part of the user >>>> base. Nevermind teens, most players cuss in general regardless of age >>>> (if you're a nay-sayer, you'd be surprised). >>>> >>>> Banning for bad language is an over-reaction in my opinion and there >>>> are better ways to deal with the use of profanities. Fortunately, >>>> there are SM plugins; a simple search yielded the following: >>>> http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?p=499584 >>>> >>>> 2. What does this have to do with the recent update? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Ook wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> That really isn't for you to decide now, is it? I run a PG-13 OP4 >>>>> server, >>>>> and my admins are pretty militant about enforcing that. It's working >>>>> well >>>>> and has for a while now, and there are plenty of teens that play there >>>>> and >>>>> respect the no profanity rules. >>>>> >>>>> Seriously, what percentage of players do you think are teens? Do >>>>> adu
Re: [hlds] Profanity in your server
Or you can fire up another 2 or 3 brain cells and realize that this isn't the place for client gripes. But as I said, your rules are your rules and that is A-Okay with me. I don't care what other people do on their own servers, and since I don't play there it doesn't matter if I understand why you want to control peoples' language in an M rated game. It's your server, more power to you. On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 13:11 -0800, Ook wrote: > I probably waste more time discussing things with people that just don't get > it...what I do works and I have players in my server, many of which come to > my server because of my rules. Doesn't really matter to me whether anyone > else here gets it or agrees with it or not. And if my comments on client > issues offends you that much, you can solve the problem by simply > kill-filing me :-) > > - Original Message - > From: "msleeper" > To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" > > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 1:06 PM > Subject: Re: [hlds] Profanity in your server > > > >I don't know, maybe he does. He spends a lot of his time doing pointless > > things like complaining about client issues on a server mailing list, > > maybe he has time to sit in on his server and play moderator. > > > > In seriousness though, the whole profanity issues falls under "admin > > preference". The people who want to make swearing a bannable offense > > will, and even though I don't understand that, it's their right and > > their choice and their servers to do whatever they want with. I > > (obviously) agree with f0rkz; the game is rated M so that means that the > > only people playing it are 18 year olds and kiddies whose parents bought > > it for them and saw the rating. It's a parents' job to keep their kids > > from hearing bad words in the internet, not ours. > > > > I have no idea where this stupid "profanity" tangent is going. > > > > > > On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 05:01 +0800, Shane Arnold wrote: > >> Yeah, that's the line along which I was thinking. Most people would be > >> swearing quite freely over the microphone, and I don't think Ook sit's > >> there monitoring voice comms on his server 24/7. Just seems kind of > >> pointless. > >> > >> On 10/12/2009 4:55 AM, msleeper wrote: > >> > Probably little if any. Most of the kiddies who freak out with the > >> > swearing usually do it over mic. > >> > > >> > > >> > On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 04:46 +0800, Shane Arnold wrote: > >> > > >> >> I am interested in knowing the impact of having word-filters enabled > >> >> on > >> >> the player count. I don't agree with the practice, but then again it's > >> >> not my server(s). > >> >> > >> >> On 10/12/2009 4:12 AM, Ook wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> I only ban those that refuse to follow the rules, and my ban list is > >> >>> quite > >> >>> small. Those that can't control their potty mouth don't usually hang > >> >>> around > >> >>> for long. The rest of us don't have a problem with it. > >> >>> > >> >>> One of admin mods default plugins has a swear filter, or actually a > >> >>> word > >> >>> filter because you can add any word you want the list, and it gets > >> >>> replaced > >> >>> with . I wanted to take it a step further, because I got tired of > >> >>> seeing > >> >>> " you" all the time. I ended up modifying the sank sounds plugin > >> >>> to kick > >> >>> the player when they say certain words. That worked real well - > >> >>> players > >> >>> learn real fast that on my server, you control your potty mouth or > >> >>> good bye. > >> >>> The end result is a server where most of the regulars control their > >> >>> tongue, > >> >>> and where those teens that don't swear and don't want to hear it > >> >>> (yeah, I > >> >>> know there aren't that many out there, but there are some) can come > >> >>> here. My > >> >>> girls can play there without hearing the usual fu arsehole etc etc. > >> >>> > >> >>> What is funny is a while ago someone
Re: [hlds] Profanity in your server
I probably waste more time discussing things with people that just don't get it...what I do works and I have players in my server, many of which come to my server because of my rules. Doesn't really matter to me whether anyone else here gets it or agrees with it or not. And if my comments on client issues offends you that much, you can solve the problem by simply kill-filing me :-) - Original Message - From: "msleeper" To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Profanity in your server >I don't know, maybe he does. He spends a lot of his time doing pointless > things like complaining about client issues on a server mailing list, > maybe he has time to sit in on his server and play moderator. > > In seriousness though, the whole profanity issues falls under "admin > preference". The people who want to make swearing a bannable offense > will, and even though I don't understand that, it's their right and > their choice and their servers to do whatever they want with. I > (obviously) agree with f0rkz; the game is rated M so that means that the > only people playing it are 18 year olds and kiddies whose parents bought > it for them and saw the rating. It's a parents' job to keep their kids > from hearing bad words in the internet, not ours. > > I have no idea where this stupid "profanity" tangent is going. > > > On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 05:01 +0800, Shane Arnold wrote: >> Yeah, that's the line along which I was thinking. Most people would be >> swearing quite freely over the microphone, and I don't think Ook sit's >> there monitoring voice comms on his server 24/7. Just seems kind of >> pointless. >> >> On 10/12/2009 4:55 AM, msleeper wrote: >> > Probably little if any. Most of the kiddies who freak out with the >> > swearing usually do it over mic. >> > >> > >> > On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 04:46 +0800, Shane Arnold wrote: >> > >> >> I am interested in knowing the impact of having word-filters enabled >> >> on >> >> the player count. I don't agree with the practice, but then again it's >> >> not my server(s). >> >> >> >> On 10/12/2009 4:12 AM, Ook wrote: >> >> >> >>> I only ban those that refuse to follow the rules, and my ban list is >> >>> quite >> >>> small. Those that can't control their potty mouth don't usually hang >> >>> around >> >>> for long. The rest of us don't have a problem with it. >> >>> >> >>> One of admin mods default plugins has a swear filter, or actually a >> >>> word >> >>> filter because you can add any word you want the list, and it gets >> >>> replaced >> >>> with . I wanted to take it a step further, because I got tired of >> >>> seeing >> >>> " you" all the time. I ended up modifying the sank sounds plugin >> >>> to kick >> >>> the player when they say certain words. That worked real well - >> >>> players >> >>> learn real fast that on my server, you control your potty mouth or >> >>> good bye. >> >>> The end result is a server where most of the regulars control their >> >>> tongue, >> >>> and where those teens that don't swear and don't want to hear it >> >>> (yeah, I >> >>> know there aren't that many out there, but there are some) can come >> >>> here. My >> >>> girls can play there without hearing the usual fu arsehole etc etc. >> >>> >> >>> What is funny is a while ago someone took my private beach map (it's >> >>> not >> >>> mine, actually - but I run it 24/7 and I've heavily modified the >> >>> entities) >> >>> and started up an EU server with my name and map, but without the >> >>> swear >> >>> filters. Want to play private beach but want to be able to swear? >> >>> Come to >> >>> Ooks Private Beach EU server and curse to your hearts content! >> >>> >> >>> My server kept packing in the peeps, their server sat empty. They >> >>> finally >> >>> took it down because no one wanted to play there. Go figure :-) >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> - Original Message - >> >>>
Re: [hlds] Profanity in your server
I don't know, maybe he does. He spends a lot of his time doing pointless things like complaining about client issues on a server mailing list, maybe he has time to sit in on his server and play moderator. In seriousness though, the whole profanity issues falls under "admin preference". The people who want to make swearing a bannable offense will, and even though I don't understand that, it's their right and their choice and their servers to do whatever they want with. I (obviously) agree with f0rkz; the game is rated M so that means that the only people playing it are 18 year olds and kiddies whose parents bought it for them and saw the rating. It's a parents' job to keep their kids from hearing bad words in the internet, not ours. I have no idea where this stupid "profanity" tangent is going. On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 05:01 +0800, Shane Arnold wrote: > Yeah, that's the line along which I was thinking. Most people would be > swearing quite freely over the microphone, and I don't think Ook sit's > there monitoring voice comms on his server 24/7. Just seems kind of > pointless. > > On 10/12/2009 4:55 AM, msleeper wrote: > > Probably little if any. Most of the kiddies who freak out with the > > swearing usually do it over mic. > > > > > > On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 04:46 +0800, Shane Arnold wrote: > > > >> I am interested in knowing the impact of having word-filters enabled on > >> the player count. I don't agree with the practice, but then again it's > >> not my server(s). > >> > >> On 10/12/2009 4:12 AM, Ook wrote: > >> > >>> I only ban those that refuse to follow the rules, and my ban list is quite > >>> small. Those that can't control their potty mouth don't usually hang > >>> around > >>> for long. The rest of us don't have a problem with it. > >>> > >>> One of admin mods default plugins has a swear filter, or actually a word > >>> filter because you can add any word you want the list, and it gets > >>> replaced > >>> with . I wanted to take it a step further, because I got tired of > >>> seeing > >>> " you" all the time. I ended up modifying the sank sounds plugin to > >>> kick > >>> the player when they say certain words. That worked real well - players > >>> learn real fast that on my server, you control your potty mouth or good > >>> bye. > >>> The end result is a server where most of the regulars control their > >>> tongue, > >>> and where those teens that don't swear and don't want to hear it (yeah, I > >>> know there aren't that many out there, but there are some) can come here. > >>> My > >>> girls can play there without hearing the usual fu arsehole etc etc. > >>> > >>> What is funny is a while ago someone took my private beach map (it's not > >>> mine, actually - but I run it 24/7 and I've heavily modified the entities) > >>> and started up an EU server with my name and map, but without the swear > >>> filters. Want to play private beach but want to be able to swear? Come to > >>> Ooks Private Beach EU server and curse to your hearts content! > >>> > >>> My server kept packing in the peeps, their server sat empty. They finally > >>> took it down because no one wanted to play there. Go figure :-) > >>> > >>> > >>> - Original Message - > >>> From: "Mark" > >>> To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" > >>> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:26 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update Released > >>> > >>> > >>> 1. Unfortunately, I would imagine teens being a large part of the user > >>> base. Nevermind teens, most players cuss in general regardless of age > >>> (if you're a nay-sayer, you'd be surprised). > >>> > >>> Banning for bad language is an over-reaction in my opinion and there > >>> are better ways to deal with the use of profanities. Fortunately, > >>> there are SM plugins; a simple search yielded the following: > >>> http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?p=499584 > >>> > >>> 2. What does this have to do with the recent update? > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Ook wrote: > >>> > >>> > That really isn't for you to decide now, is it? I run a PG-13 OP4 server, > and my admins are pretty militant about enforcing that. It's working well > and has for a while now, and there are plenty of teens that play there > and > respect the no profanity rules. > > Seriously, what percentage of players do you think are teens? Do adults > drop > their IQ by 30 points and develop a potty mouth simply be being in-game? > Or > are many/most of them mouthy immature teens to start with? I vote for the > latter... > > - Original Message - > From: "f0rkz" > To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" > > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:08 AM > Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update Released > > > > > > I mean... It is an M
Re: [hlds] Profanity in your server
Yeah, that's the line along which I was thinking. Most people would be swearing quite freely over the microphone, and I don't think Ook sit's there monitoring voice comms on his server 24/7. Just seems kind of pointless. On 10/12/2009 4:55 AM, msleeper wrote: > Probably little if any. Most of the kiddies who freak out with the > swearing usually do it over mic. > > > On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 04:46 +0800, Shane Arnold wrote: > >> I am interested in knowing the impact of having word-filters enabled on >> the player count. I don't agree with the practice, but then again it's >> not my server(s). >> >> On 10/12/2009 4:12 AM, Ook wrote: >> >>> I only ban those that refuse to follow the rules, and my ban list is quite >>> small. Those that can't control their potty mouth don't usually hang around >>> for long. The rest of us don't have a problem with it. >>> >>> One of admin mods default plugins has a swear filter, or actually a word >>> filter because you can add any word you want the list, and it gets replaced >>> with . I wanted to take it a step further, because I got tired of seeing >>> " you" all the time. I ended up modifying the sank sounds plugin to kick >>> the player when they say certain words. That worked real well - players >>> learn real fast that on my server, you control your potty mouth or good bye. >>> The end result is a server where most of the regulars control their tongue, >>> and where those teens that don't swear and don't want to hear it (yeah, I >>> know there aren't that many out there, but there are some) can come here. My >>> girls can play there without hearing the usual fu arsehole etc etc. >>> >>> What is funny is a while ago someone took my private beach map (it's not >>> mine, actually - but I run it 24/7 and I've heavily modified the entities) >>> and started up an EU server with my name and map, but without the swear >>> filters. Want to play private beach but want to be able to swear? Come to >>> Ooks Private Beach EU server and curse to your hearts content! >>> >>> My server kept packing in the peeps, their server sat empty. They finally >>> took it down because no one wanted to play there. Go figure :-) >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Mark" >>> To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:26 AM >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update Released >>> >>> >>> 1. Unfortunately, I would imagine teens being a large part of the user >>> base. Nevermind teens, most players cuss in general regardless of age >>> (if you're a nay-sayer, you'd be surprised). >>> >>> Banning for bad language is an over-reaction in my opinion and there >>> are better ways to deal with the use of profanities. Fortunately, >>> there are SM plugins; a simple search yielded the following: >>> http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?p=499584 >>> >>> 2. What does this have to do with the recent update? >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Ook wrote: >>> >>> That really isn't for you to decide now, is it? I run a PG-13 OP4 server, and my admins are pretty militant about enforcing that. It's working well and has for a while now, and there are plenty of teens that play there and respect the no profanity rules. Seriously, what percentage of players do you think are teens? Do adults drop their IQ by 30 points and develop a potty mouth simply be being in-game? Or are many/most of them mouthy immature teens to start with? I vote for the latter... - Original Message - From: "f0rkz" To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update Released > I mean... It is an M rated game. Teens shouldn't be playing in the > first place. > > On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 10:02 -0800, Ook wrote: > > >> I parse my server logs on a regular basis, and I can look up any player >> by >> steam id, name, or IP and see all names and IPs they have used. You want >> to >> ban people that swear a lot? That is probably 90% of your user base. >> There >> are a lot of people out there that just can't control their mouths. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "w4rezz" >> To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:17 AM >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update >> Released >> >> >> Does anyone have a list of known people what use "fuck" too much? I >> dont wanna use swear filter. >> >> 2009/12/9 Don Williams: >> >> >>> Does anyone have a running list of known people that have or tried to >>> perform this exploit steam id's IP addresses? >>> >>>
Re: [hlds] Profanity in your server
Probably little if any. Most of the kiddies who freak out with the swearing usually do it over mic. On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 04:46 +0800, Shane Arnold wrote: > I am interested in knowing the impact of having word-filters enabled on > the player count. I don't agree with the practice, but then again it's > not my server(s). > > On 10/12/2009 4:12 AM, Ook wrote: > > I only ban those that refuse to follow the rules, and my ban list is quite > > small. Those that can't control their potty mouth don't usually hang around > > for long. The rest of us don't have a problem with it. > > > > One of admin mods default plugins has a swear filter, or actually a word > > filter because you can add any word you want the list, and it gets replaced > > with . I wanted to take it a step further, because I got tired of seeing > > " you" all the time. I ended up modifying the sank sounds plugin to kick > > the player when they say certain words. That worked real well - players > > learn real fast that on my server, you control your potty mouth or good bye. > > The end result is a server where most of the regulars control their tongue, > > and where those teens that don't swear and don't want to hear it (yeah, I > > know there aren't that many out there, but there are some) can come here. My > > girls can play there without hearing the usual fu arsehole etc etc. > > > > What is funny is a while ago someone took my private beach map (it's not > > mine, actually - but I run it 24/7 and I've heavily modified the entities) > > and started up an EU server with my name and map, but without the swear > > filters. Want to play private beach but want to be able to swear? Come to > > Ooks Private Beach EU server and curse to your hearts content! > > > > My server kept packing in the peeps, their server sat empty. They finally > > took it down because no one wanted to play there. Go figure :-) > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Mark" > > To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:26 AM > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update Released > > > > > > 1. Unfortunately, I would imagine teens being a large part of the user > > base. Nevermind teens, most players cuss in general regardless of age > > (if you're a nay-sayer, you'd be surprised). > > > > Banning for bad language is an over-reaction in my opinion and there > > are better ways to deal with the use of profanities. Fortunately, > > there are SM plugins; a simple search yielded the following: > > http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?p=499584 > > > > 2. What does this have to do with the recent update? > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Ook wrote: > > > >> That really isn't for you to decide now, is it? I run a PG-13 OP4 server, > >> and my admins are pretty militant about enforcing that. It's working well > >> and has for a while now, and there are plenty of teens that play there and > >> respect the no profanity rules. > >> > >> Seriously, what percentage of players do you think are teens? Do adults > >> drop > >> their IQ by 30 points and develop a potty mouth simply be being in-game? > >> Or > >> are many/most of them mouthy immature teens to start with? I vote for the > >> latter... > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "f0rkz" > >> To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" > >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:08 AM > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update Released > >> > >> > >> > >>> I mean... It is an M rated game. Teens shouldn't be playing in the > >>> first place. > >>> > >>> On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 10:02 -0800, Ook wrote: > >>> > I parse my server logs on a regular basis, and I can look up any player > by > steam id, name, or IP and see all names and IPs they have used. You want > to > ban people that swear a lot? That is probably 90% of your user base. > There > are a lot of people out there that just can't control their mouths. > > - Original Message - > From: "w4rezz" > To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" > > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:17 AM > Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update > Released > > > Does anyone have a list of known people what use "fuck" too much? I > dont wanna use swear filter. > > 2009/12/9 Don Williams: > > > Does anyone have a running list of known people that have or tried to > > perform this exploit steam id's IP addresses? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com > > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Maximilian > > L. > > Sent: 2009-12-08 11:49 AM > > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Upda
Re: [hlds] Profanity in your server
I am interested in knowing the impact of having word-filters enabled on the player count. I don't agree with the practice, but then again it's not my server(s). On 10/12/2009 4:12 AM, Ook wrote: > I only ban those that refuse to follow the rules, and my ban list is quite > small. Those that can't control their potty mouth don't usually hang around > for long. The rest of us don't have a problem with it. > > One of admin mods default plugins has a swear filter, or actually a word > filter because you can add any word you want the list, and it gets replaced > with . I wanted to take it a step further, because I got tired of seeing > " you" all the time. I ended up modifying the sank sounds plugin to kick > the player when they say certain words. That worked real well - players > learn real fast that on my server, you control your potty mouth or good bye. > The end result is a server where most of the regulars control their tongue, > and where those teens that don't swear and don't want to hear it (yeah, I > know there aren't that many out there, but there are some) can come here. My > girls can play there without hearing the usual fu arsehole etc etc. > > What is funny is a while ago someone took my private beach map (it's not > mine, actually - but I run it 24/7 and I've heavily modified the entities) > and started up an EU server with my name and map, but without the swear > filters. Want to play private beach but want to be able to swear? Come to > Ooks Private Beach EU server and curse to your hearts content! > > My server kept packing in the peeps, their server sat empty. They finally > took it down because no one wanted to play there. Go figure :-) > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mark" > To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" > > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:26 AM > Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update Released > > > 1. Unfortunately, I would imagine teens being a large part of the user > base. Nevermind teens, most players cuss in general regardless of age > (if you're a nay-sayer, you'd be surprised). > > Banning for bad language is an over-reaction in my opinion and there > are better ways to deal with the use of profanities. Fortunately, > there are SM plugins; a simple search yielded the following: > http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?p=499584 > > 2. What does this have to do with the recent update? > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Ook wrote: > >> That really isn't for you to decide now, is it? I run a PG-13 OP4 server, >> and my admins are pretty militant about enforcing that. It's working well >> and has for a while now, and there are plenty of teens that play there and >> respect the no profanity rules. >> >> Seriously, what percentage of players do you think are teens? Do adults >> drop >> their IQ by 30 points and develop a potty mouth simply be being in-game? >> Or >> are many/most of them mouthy immature teens to start with? I vote for the >> latter... >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "f0rkz" >> To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update Released >> >> >> >>> I mean... It is an M rated game. Teens shouldn't be playing in the >>> first place. >>> >>> On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 10:02 -0800, Ook wrote: >>> I parse my server logs on a regular basis, and I can look up any player by steam id, name, or IP and see all names and IPs they have used. You want to ban people that swear a lot? That is probably 90% of your user base. There are a lot of people out there that just can't control their mouths. - Original Message - From: "w4rezz" To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update Released Does anyone have a list of known people what use "fuck" too much? I dont wanna use swear filter. 2009/12/9 Don Williams: > Does anyone have a running list of known people that have or tried to > perform this exploit steam id's IP addresses? > > -Original Message- > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Maximilian > L. > Sent: 2009-12-08 11:49 AM > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update > Released > > Ah ok, just was a little bit confused. Thanks for clearing. > >> There is already a list of banned extensions that includes .dll, vdf, >> exe, >> and yes, ini >> >> -Original Message- >> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Maxim
Re: [hlds] Profanity in your server
I only ban those that refuse to follow the rules, and my ban list is quite small. Those that can't control their potty mouth don't usually hang around for long. The rest of us don't have a problem with it. One of admin mods default plugins has a swear filter, or actually a word filter because you can add any word you want the list, and it gets replaced with . I wanted to take it a step further, because I got tired of seeing " you" all the time. I ended up modifying the sank sounds plugin to kick the player when they say certain words. That worked real well - players learn real fast that on my server, you control your potty mouth or good bye. The end result is a server where most of the regulars control their tongue, and where those teens that don't swear and don't want to hear it (yeah, I know there aren't that many out there, but there are some) can come here. My girls can play there without hearing the usual fu arsehole etc etc. What is funny is a while ago someone took my private beach map (it's not mine, actually - but I run it 24/7 and I've heavily modified the entities) and started up an EU server with my name and map, but without the swear filters. Want to play private beach but want to be able to swear? Come to Ooks Private Beach EU server and curse to your hearts content! My server kept packing in the peeps, their server sat empty. They finally took it down because no one wanted to play there. Go figure :-) - Original Message - From: "Mark" To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update Released 1. Unfortunately, I would imagine teens being a large part of the user base. Nevermind teens, most players cuss in general regardless of age (if you're a nay-sayer, you'd be surprised). Banning for bad language is an over-reaction in my opinion and there are better ways to deal with the use of profanities. Fortunately, there are SM plugins; a simple search yielded the following: http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?p=499584 2. What does this have to do with the recent update? On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Ook wrote: > That really isn't for you to decide now, is it? I run a PG-13 OP4 server, > and my admins are pretty militant about enforcing that. It's working well > and has for a while now, and there are plenty of teens that play there and > respect the no profanity rules. > > Seriously, what percentage of players do you think are teens? Do adults > drop > their IQ by 30 points and develop a potty mouth simply be being in-game? > Or > are many/most of them mouthy immature teens to start with? I vote for the > latter... > > - Original Message - > From: "f0rkz" > To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" > > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:08 AM > Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update Released > > >>I mean... It is an M rated game. Teens shouldn't be playing in the >> first place. >> >> On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 10:02 -0800, Ook wrote: >>> I parse my server logs on a regular basis, and I can look up any player >>> by >>> steam id, name, or IP and see all names and IPs they have used. You want >>> to >>> ban people that swear a lot? That is probably 90% of your user base. >>> There >>> are a lot of people out there that just can't control their mouths. >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "w4rezz" >>> To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:17 AM >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update >>> Released >>> >>> >>> Does anyone have a list of known people what use "fuck" too much? I >>> dont wanna use swear filter. >>> >>> 2009/12/9 Don Williams : >>> > Does anyone have a running list of known people that have or tried to >>> > perform this exploit steam id's IP addresses? >>> > >>> > -Original Message- >>> > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >>> > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Maximilian >>> > L. >>> > Sent: 2009-12-08 11:49 AM >>> > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >>> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update >>> > Released >>> > >>> > Ah ok, just was a little bit confused. Thanks for clearing. >>> >> There is already a list of banned extensions that includes .dll, vdf, >>> >> exe, >>> >> and yes, ini >>> >> >>> >> -Original Message- >>> >> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >>> >> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Maximilian >>> >> L. >>> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:31 AM >>> >> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >>> >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2/Day of Defeat: Source Update >>> >> Released >>> >> >>> >> Quote myself from IRC: >>> >> [ "Added checks to prevent transferring .smx, .gcf, and .sys >>> >> files >>> >> between client/serve
