[HOT] Join tomorrow the Mapathon over the Boko Haram affected, Diffa Region in Niger

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

You are welcome to join us this Saturday, June 17 for a mapathon over the
Diffa Region in Niger here: http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/149 !

In Niamey along with members from OSM Communities from Niger, Benin,
Burkina Faso and Togo, with the support of Organisation Internationale de
la Francophonie, we have been coordinating since last Monday a couple of
two-weeks long workshops about free Geomatics tools and opendata, for the
benefit of Geography students and professionals from various backgrounds.
As usual, we will organize a mapathon during the first Saturday, involving
all the workshop participants and members of local OSM community. We will
continue the work the days after, at least during our "maptimes" when
starts every new training day.

The area has been identified by OCHA Niger with the aim of using the data
produced during a two-days workshop including InaSAFE for the local IM GIS
Working Group they lead: the Diffa Region on the Southern-Eastern part of
the country around the border with Nigeria, unfortunately affected by
frequent terrorist attacks from Boko Haram.

Analysing the existing OSM data shows almost all the inhabited places have
been mapped as residential areas. Extracted with Overpass, they allowed us
to create a large Tasking Manager project focused only on them. A priority
area has been added between Diffa and Bosso (see in pink) thanks to the
recent UNOCHA maps and OCHA Niger IM GIS request.

The goal is to map all the buildings and huts in order to use InaSAFE to
get impact scenarios of attacks on both structures and the population
(estimated from the buildings) as we did last week in Mali for the flooded
area in Markala.

For sure the tasks are numerous on this priority area but many of them are
quick and easy to achieve considering the hold only a few buildings.

Looking forward you contribution,

Sincerely,

Severin
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Re: [HOT] Fwd: Re: landuse=residential within landuse=residential

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

landuse=residential shows an urban or housing sprawl and therefore can
cross various existing boundaries. boundary=* is related to an official or
existing boundary and in the case of a village, it will encompass not only
one residential area, but sometimes several and other kinds of landuses
like farmland.

I already saw people replacing the landuse=residential tag by place=town
over a precise urban area for some towns in Africa what I think is
basically wrong because these places are generally larger than the
residential area.

Sincerely,

Severin

2017-03-29 14:03 GMT+02:00 Vao Matua :

> Thomas, thank you for the thoughts.
>
> I have looked at the building=farm and landuse=farmyard and believe they
> do not apply in here in Ethiopia.A building that is a dwelling should not
> be tagged as "farm". It is not possible to determine the use of a building
> from aerial imagery. Last week I was in a village and a building that
> looked like a house also had a room that was where livestock were kept at
> night. In the same way similar looking buildings could function as a small
> store (kiosk). I would like to stick with building=yes, but also have a
> landuse tag that is useful for cartography, but also humanitarian uses like
> malaria elimination, or population estimates.
> I would also suggest that boundary is not a good idea in Africa.  In the
> next decade it is predicted that there will be a huge migration shift to
> cities, the places these people will live will be outside of existing
> administrative boundaries. My opinion is that HOT stick with landuse as we
> see it and let those with authoritative information create the boundaries.
>
> Emmor
>
> On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Thomas Hills 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Firstly this is my first post to the HOT mailing list so I should
>> introduce myself. I'm Tom Hills (http://www.openstreetmap.org/
>> user/Thomas%20Hills) and I got involved through Missing Maps London in
>> August 2014. I'm not a GIS, humanitarian or coding specialist so I'm just a
>> plain old normal volunteer.
>>
>> Majka, I agree with you that landuse=residential isn't particularly
>> useful in the region Emmor quoted. The wiki suggests that it is for an area
>> which has predominantly residential buildings. It says that it should not
>> be used as 'an abstract wrapper around buildings grouping them without a
>> difference between residential landuse within and other landuses around
>> being observable'. I know the wiki isn't infallible but that sounds
>> relatively sensible to me. Of course the region should be mapped in
>> accordance with the task instructions, but if I were mapping this outside
>> of HOT I would use a different method.
>>
>> I should probably know this already, but what *is* the method for
>> estimating population density within HOT? I imagined it used building count
>> rather than residential area size. Is there a diary entry on this?
>>
>> Continuing the thought, I am unaware of how long the three or more
>> buildings 'rule' has been around in HOT, but I remember it from my first
>> Missing Maps mapathons in 2014. This discussion seems to be a good time to
>> ask: Has anyone recently reviewed the utility and relevance of the rule for
>> HOT purposes?
>>
>> Emmor: There's specific tags for farms, e.g. building=farm and
>> landuse=farmland. From what I gather from what you've said and shown, I
>> think that they might be appropriate instead of your
>> agriculture_residential and pastoral_agriculture landuse proposals.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> On 29 March 2017 at 09:33, majka  wrote:
>>
>>> First, overlapping landuse areas (even different ones) should *always*
>>> be corrected. It brings problems with the map data, I have seen and
>>> corrected areas where the overlapping did hide ponds from the rendered map.
>>> The *same* overlapping area masks some of the problems but should be
>>> corrected as well - either by deleting of one of the areas or by merging
>>> both together.
>>>
>>> The next question is the landuse *size* in the mapped area.
>>>
>>> From the view of the mapper in Europe, the landuse=residential in HOT is
>>> problematic. The residential area should be only where the region is used 
>>> *above
>>> all* for housing people. The HOT use is to mark areas where there are
>>> *some* houses, depending on the project instructions. This ends with a
>>> very problematic rendering of some areas. Visually, you get one big blob of
>>> something most people understand as a town, not the reality of fields and
>>> farms. The very loose residential areas shouldn’t be there at all, IMHO.
>>> Villages/towns boundaries have their own tag, *boundary*. Usually, this
>>> is paired with boundary=administrative which is mostly unusable for HOT
>>> distance mapping because the information isn't available to the mapper. But
>>> nothing speaks against own tag - see here
>>> .
>>>
>>> IMHO, the ideal solution would be to

Re: [HOT] Sierra Leone Imagery for non-profit?

[Severin Menard]

Hi Thomas,

You did not describe what exactly you expect from the imagery to map the
mining activities. 10 m resolution + multi-spectral does not sound like
mapping structures as we do in OSM.
But if high resolution imagery, even if not very recent, is what you
target, the Digital Globe Maps API is a good option, but you will need to
purchase the first (quite cheap) plan to have the right to create
derivative data from it. You can use it not only in QGIS, but also in JOSM.

Sincerely,

Severin

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Thomas Kandler 
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> thank you very much for the input. I will take my time and do some
> research on your ideas and suggestions. Greatly appreciated in any case. :)
>
>
> All the best
> Thomas
>
>
>
>
> Am 2016-11-25 05:37, schrieb Colleen Curran:
>
>> Hi Thomas,
>>
>> You might want to check out the DigitalGlobe Maps API - this offers (free)
>> global high resolution coverage.  You add it as a plugin to QGIS and do
>> the
>> mapping from there.
>>
>> Check out this link if you are interested,
>> https://developer.digitalglobe.com/using-maps-api-with-qgis/
>>
>> Best,
>> Colleen
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 9:43 AM, Robert Banick  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Thomas,
>>>
>>> Try speaking to Mikel Maron at Mapbox (and HOT) (mikel.ma...@hotosm.org
>>> ).
>>> Sometimes Mapbox can help out by procuring high resolution imagery for
>>> specific areas and adding it to the Mapbox Satellite layer accessible
>>> through JOSM.
>>>
>>> If that doesn’t work I suggest you reach out to the U.S. State
>>> Department’s Mapgive: Imagery to the Crowd initiative (
>>> http://mapgive.state.gov/ittc/). Often they can secure existing imagery
>>> for you and/or procure custom imagery on request.
>>>
>>> You’ll probably need to prepare a specific AOI for all these requests.
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>> Robert
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 10:32 PM Jean-Guilhem Cailton 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Le 22/11/2016 à 11:46, Thomas Kandler a écrit :
 > Hi folks,
 >
 > sorry for the OT, but I have a question with seems suitable for the
 > audience:
 >
 > is it possible to aquire high-res imagery (meaning <=10m + maybe
 > multispectral) for non-profit use in Sierra Leone in a cost-saving
 way?
 >
 > The non-profit is aiming to map out the mining activity in the whole
 > country to get a grip on the administration of those activities.
 > Unfortunately they have little to no funds for software or data.
 >
 >
 > Just a shot in the dark from me, so ignore if too OT.
 >
 >
 > Thanks & have a great day
 > Thomas
 >

 Hi Thomas,

 For free 10 m resolution imagery - that could be suitable for mapping
 mining activity -, you could have a look at Sentinel 2 satellite images
 (also multispectral, with various lower resolutions):
 http://sentinel-pds.s3-website.eu-central-1.amazonaws.com/browser.html

 Best wishes,

 Jean-Guilhem

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Re: [HOT] Help HOT give 10 communities the resources to map!

[Severin Menard]

Let us figure out what is happening here:

HOT US Inc starts a micro-grant program supposedly to support 10 local OSM
communities worldwide by raising money. Some of them being already
HOT-Sponsored through grants, others being totally autonomous from HOT US
Inc. Looks great. Micro-grants are not HOT US Inc speciality as it has been
refusing from 2013 to deal with projects under 10,000 USD grants, what may
explain why it is not clear at all how the money from these smaller grants
will be used: who decides how to split, if the 10 communities will all
receive a tenth of it or if it is related to their requirements (if only
HOT US Inc took the time to ask them), if the communities will receive all
the money in cash or if HOT US Inc will proceed to purchases, etc. OK, it
is totally unclear/unexplained, but damn let us donate, this a good cause!

But if you read the explanation text you can read this: “*When donating,
you have the choice of where your funds go: to micro-grants or where
they're needed most to support HOT's critical work and technology*”. What?
The first time this 1 million dollar organization (according to
https://hotosm.org/sites/default/files/HOT_2015_Annual_Report.pdf) raises
money specifically for far less funded local OSM communities, it really
needs to suggest to take money from them?

I don’t know if HOT US Inc needs fund-raising again to fix a new
unexpected, mismanaged 100,000+ USD financial hole like last year without
explaining it to the donors (or even its voting members) forgetting that
the O of HOT is for Open, but this is certainly not the right way to do it
here.

Even better, all the people participating in the video have been
automatically called “HOT community leaders”. Ladies and gents, you belong
to the HOT US Inc brand now, just because you showed up in the video. From
my long experience with HOT US Inc, I can tell you that this wording will
be next used in every, every grant HOT US Inc will try to get in the
future, emphasizing this community support in its storytelling. In short,
for the 1 USD you may get from HOT US Inc through this micro-grants
program, aside from the 1 USD it will directly keep, HOT US Inc will
multiply this in the future for its very own use.

Do not be surprised, this is not the first time HOT US Inc takes over the
work from others. For the last two years or so, everyone using the HOT US
Inc Tasking Manager instance becomes instantaneously a “HOT volunteer”,
even if she or he does not even know what HOT is, and included in HOT US
Inc statistics. People contributing in OSM with the iD editor are not
“MapBox volunteers”, as long as I know. Nor book authors using Microsoft
Word to draft their new work are “MS writers”. A basic OpenStreetMap rule
that the HOT US Inc Board should read and think about during one of their
(non public - always) meetings: respect attribution.

OSM local communities, HOT US Inc needs you to get money from you. But you
do not need HOT US Inc to get money to grow your activities. Rather than
having ten seconds in this video, build your own fund-raising, take time to
present your community, its history, achievements and goals and describe
precisely what you need and want to get. You will likely get more funds and
nobody will make financial profit from you.


Sincerely,

Severin

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 9:20 PM, Tyler Radford 
wrote:

> Dear HOT community,
>
> Today, on behalf of the HOT Fundraising Working Group, I'm excited to
> announce our 2016  campaign #mapthedifference.
>
> This year's campaign is about coming together to raise funds for a
> micro-grants initiative. Micro-grants will support small but highly
> impactful projects carried out by HOT/OSM community leaders. More details
> on the application and selection process will be announced in early 2017,
> but until then, please check out the video below and help us
> #mapthedifference!
>
> Tyler
>
>
>
> Help HOT provide 10 communities with equipment and funding to map
> Many of the world's most vulnerable places do not exist on any map. Meet
> 12 leaders who are working to change that by putting their communities on
> the global map for the first time.
>
> You can show your support by starting your own Fundraising Page using the
> button below or making a donation today.
>
>
> *We have 33 days to raise $30,000 in support of this life-changing work in
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[HOT] Hurricane Matthew: involving the local OSM communities

[Severin Menard]

On January 12, 2010, a huge Earthquake hit the heart of Haiti, causing tens
of thousands of casualties. The OSM community activated for the first time
and created within a few days the most detailed map of Port-Au-Prince and
its outskirts that has been used by the humanitarian organizations deployed
in the country. This is a well-known story among whoever involved in
OpenStreetMap. A bit less known is that a few people went to the field to
promote OSM, train on its techniques not only among the humanitarian
organizations but also went to the most affected communities like the one
of Cité Soleil and started creating local capacities.

I know this story well : I was at that time one of the 600+ OSM volunteers
mapping over Port-au-Prince and struggling with editing conflicts and
offset imagery issues due to unconsolidated georeferencing. In February, I
was working as a GIS Information Management consultant for OCHA and did my
best to facilitate the deployment of Nicolas Chavent and Robert Soden from
what was then the informal HOT group. A few months later HOT US Inc was
created and was involved in disaster field mapping for the cholera response
and disaster shelter preparedness mapping  in Haiti. HOT’s first baseline
data mapping focused project for development context was in 2012 in
Saint-Marc. The first use of drone for OSM mapping happened in 2013 with
the Cap-Haitian project in northern Haiti. In between, HOT’s activities in
Haiti raised attention and allowed eg the project in Indonesia to start. In
short, everything has started in Haiti for HOT US Inc. In 2016, the country
is severely hit again.

Regarding the drones, it is sad to see that HOT US Inc is neither
interested in supporting an OSM focused drone initiative even when it
directly asks for support, even verbal, nor does anything to promote the
mapping on its outcomes once the imagery is eventually available, despite
HOT US Inc has been strongly involved in drone imagery for its funded
project in Tanzania. Just because it basically does  not come from its
inner circle.

Regarding the remote mapping, while imagery georeferencing have improved a
lot and that conflicting edits have hugely decreased with the Tasking
Manager, it is a pity to see the bad quality of the produced data due to a
media effective but quality killer approach of encouraging newcomers
without almost any OSM experience to map on the affected areas. And also to
see HOT US Inc worrying less on mitigating this than seeing an other
mapping group doing complementary mapping, informing it on OSM list but not
using both its
proprietary-fancy-hype-likely-to-be-purchased-and-vanish-in-a-close-future
Slack tool and the “official” (no joking?) HOT Tasking Manager whose
activity for Hurricane Matthew seems to be led by one single requesting
organization – The Red Cross.

Regarding involving local mappers, it is quite a shame to see that there is
nothing done from HOT US Inc, like if nothing had never happened in the
past, if there was no mapping capacities within the country. In 2010,
people from HOT were inventive in going to the field. It was in the core
DNA of the HOT Project. Now HOT US Inc has decided to stay remote, becoming
just an online Virtual Technical Community like many others, and goes in
the field only when large funds are available. So be it. Consequently, as I
dedicated a lot with Nicolas to build local OSM capacities in Haiti, as we
also do now in Western Africa, I decided to deploy in Haiti on my voluntary
time during three weeks starting yesterday, in order to update the local
skills, connect the mappers and responders and start mapping with them in
the field where it is requested. I will try to inform regularly about it on
this list, as it is the one dedicated to all the humanitarian purposes
related to OSM, not an corporate list for HOT US Inc.

Sincerely,

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Re: [HOT] Tasking ManagerS (Was: {Re: Map4Haiti} + {[Hot-francophone] Project over Grand'Anse})

[Severin Menard]

gt; > the INSPIRE SDI experience in Europe shows it works quite smoothly.
> >
> > However I agree it adds-up some complexity where we could avoid it. If
> > only there was only ONE TM that would be EVERYONE'S TM.
> > The de facto control of the original TM by HOT with a disputable policy
> > as to who had a right/privilege to define and post tasks broke up this
> hope.
> >
> > Given this I have no problem with tasks.hotosm.org being administered
> > with HOT US Inc. rules. Or other TM being administered according to
> > different policies. We are diverse after all.
> >
> > Now, we probably agree that beyond this diversity we have to work
> > together as a global community.
> >
> > To this aim I'll be happy to collaborate with you to find ways of coming
> > up with the kind of "universal catalogue of tasks" we (OSM) need.
> >
> > tasks.hotosm.org #2219 #2229 #2236 #2237 #2248 etc., as well as
> > taches.francophonelibre.org #35 #40 # 41 #45 #63 #64 #65 #66 #67 etc.
> > are all pertinent and they all should be primarily viewed as the
> > contributions from the OSM community instead of the organisations
> > running the tasking managers.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rod
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 15/10/16 15:28, Mikel Maron wrote:
> >> Agree with you John. Working with local mapper groups of course is the
> >> best. There are many French speaking HOT members and volunteers,
> >> including in Haiti.
> >>
> >> But that's a seperate topic from running an additional unnecessary
> >> tasking manager.
> >>
> >> Mikel
> >>
> >> On Saturday, October 15, 2016, 9:08 AM, john whelan
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Which begs the question why should HOT decide the priorities?
> >>
> >> I note that we don't see many projects from local groups especially
> >> in the high priority list and in this case Haiti the local language
> >> is French which means it is more difficult for the local needs to be
> >> understood by none francophone outsiders.
> >>
> >> There are problems with the functioning of the government of Haiti
> >> but there are functioning OSM locals but the best way to strengthen
> >> them is to work with them.
> >>
> >> Cheerio John
> >>
> >> On 15 October 2016 at 08:03, Mikel Maron  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Having two tasking managers for the same response area is of
> >> course going to create conflicts. There's no need at all to
> >> create jobs for Haiti on another tasking manager. Simply,
> >> communicate the needs for mapping, including AOI, need, etc, to
> >> the HOT activation team and it will be prioritized and set up.
> >>
> >> Mikel
> >>
> >> On Saturday, October 15, 2016, 4:51 AM, Severin Menard
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> New update about our contribution to the OSM Map4Haiti
> >> mapping. Job #45
> >> <http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/45#task/61> is
> >> almost done now and we will start mapping the rural areas
> >> within the hills of département of Grande-Anse, over the
> >> communes of Abricots, Dame-Marie, Chambellan, Moron, Anse
> >> d'Hainault and Grande Anse, located in the most affected
> >> areas by Hurricane Matthew (UNOSAT impact zone 1, with winds
> >> over 120 km/h) with job #64
> >> <http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/64>, continuing
> >> our systematic, consolidated effort over the hills (called
> >> mornes in Haiti).
> >>
> >> We hold an agile SOTM today here at Université Alassane
> >> Ouattara and will have a team of crisis mapping during the
> >> whole day to show students and people what it is. No
> >> newcomer will be invited to map on Haiti from Bouaké but
> >> invited to become a local mapper, raise his skills and join
> >> later when experienced enough.
> >>
> >> I hope this message is read by the HOT US coordination team,
> >> especially Dale Kunce:
> >>
> >> October 8 6:30 PM UTC 

[HOT] Mapping damage in Jérémie from UAV images

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

Raw drone photos taken by Fred Moine in Jérémie on Oct 7 are visible, along
with derived orthomosaic, on:

https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/images-uav-jeremie_107330

Images taken in Les Cayes this week-end are being processed.

Help would be welcome to map the reality shown by these images, and thus
contribute to organizing relief in Haiti.

Best wishes,

Jean-Guilhem

Twitter @jgVisov

> Le 14/10/2016 à 21:53, Severin Menard a écrit :
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Just allowing this important email from Jean-Guilhem to reach the hot
> > list subscribers. Please read below.
> >
> > Severin
> >
> > -- Message transféré --
> > De : "Jean-Guilhem Cailton" mailto:j...@arkemie.com>>
> > Date : 14 oct. 2016 18:17
> > Objet : [Talk-ht] Mapping damage in Jérémie from UAV images /
> > Cartographie de dégâts à Jérémie à partir d'images drone
> > À : "HOT@OSM (Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team)"  > <mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org>>
> > Cc : "OSM-talk"  > <mailto:t...@openstreetmap.org>>,  > <mailto:talk...@openstreetmap.org>>, 
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > According to Fred Moine - and as you may know from several
journalist
> > and evaluation reports, the situation in Haiti after Hurricane
Matthew
> > is very serious, with a combination of factors including cholera,
> > hunger, etc...
> >
> > This TM project aims to map damage in Jérémie, from 5 cm resolution
> > drone imagery, taken by Fred, whom the Government of Haiti had sent
> > there to take images for damage assessment:
> >
> > http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/63
> > <http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/63>
> >
> > More help would be welcome, especially from persons with a remote
> > sensing background, or experienced mappers.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Jean-Guilhem
> >
> > https://twitter.com/jgVisov
> >
> >
> > Le 13/10/2016 à 09:18, Jean-Guilhem Cailton a écrit :
> > > Bonjour,
> > >
> > > Un nouveau projet vise à cartographier les dégâts à Jérémie à
partir
> > > d'imagerie drone à 5 cm de résolution, obtenue par Frédéric
> > Moine, que
> > > le gouvernement d'Haïti y a envoyé pour prendre des images avec
les
> > > drones de Potentiel 3.0 (http://potentiel3-0.org) :
> > > http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/63
> > <http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/63>
> > >
> > > Bien cordialement,
> > >
> > > Jean-Guilhem
> > >
> >
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[HOT] Map4Haiti

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

New update about our contribution to the OSM Map4Haiti mapping. Job #45
 is almost done now
and we will start mapping the rural areas within the hills of département
of Grande-Anse, over the communes of Abricots, Dame-Marie, Chambellan,
Moron, Anse d'Hainault and Grande Anse, located in the most affected areas
by Hurricane Matthew (UNOSAT impact zone 1, with winds over 120 km/h) with job
#64 , continuing our
systematic, consolidated effort over the hills (called mornes in Haiti).

We hold an agile SOTM today here at Université Alassane Ouattara and will
have a team of crisis mapping during the whole day to show students and
people what it is. No newcomer will be invited to map on Haiti from Bouaké
but invited to become a local mapper, raise his skills and join later when
experienced enough.

I hope this message is read by the HOT US coordination team, especially
Dale Kunce:

October 8 6:30 PM UTC I communicated about job #39
 about pre-disaster mapping
over Jeremie. On October 12, when our mapping is almost done on Central
Jeremie, we figure out people are mapping on the area, due to a HOT US job
#2228  created by Dale Kunce. We
stopped and quickly detected all the mistakes done by very recent mappers.

October 12 11:40 AM UTC I communicated on the hot list including regarding job
#45  about mapping Jeremie’s
hinterland. Later this day, HOT US job #2224
 covering an area slightly smaller
inside the one I made was created by Dale Kunce... As if there was no other
places to be mapped in Haiti...

So far, we created 7 jobs over Haiti, I communicated about them and they
are all on the http://taches.francophonelibre.org frontpage, so it is not a
big deal just to check them.

@Dale I think HOT US created a curriculum to raise skills to become Crisis
activators, I would advise you to read it one day when you have a bit of
time. If ever it does not mention to read and communicate in the hot list
during an activation, I would suggest to add it into the documentation. As
an incorporated company, HOT US may have its own internal tools to organize
its mapping, but the minimum is to communicate a bit on the hot list with
the OSM community, who is the holder of this list (as everything with @
openstreetmap.org).

If you now create a new job covering job #45
, I may try next
time to create a job in the middle of the water, just to see if you jump on
it.

Sincerely,

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[HOT] Mapping damage in Jérémie from UAV images

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

Just allowing this important email from Jean-Guilhem to reach the hot list
subscribers. Please read below.

Severin
-- Message transféré --
De : "Jean-Guilhem Cailton" 
Date : 14 oct. 2016 18:17
Objet : [Talk-ht] Mapping damage in Jérémie from UAV images / Cartographie
de dégâts à Jérémie à partir d'images drone
À : "HOT@OSM (Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team)" 
Cc : "OSM-talk" , ,


Hi,

According to Fred Moine - and as you may know from several journalist
and evaluation reports, the situation in Haiti after Hurricane Matthew
is very serious, with a combination of factors including cholera,
hunger, etc...

This TM project aims to map damage in Jérémie, from 5 cm resolution
drone imagery, taken by Fred, whom the Government of Haiti had sent
there to take images for damage assessment:

http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/63

More help would be welcome, especially from persons with a remote
sensing background, or experienced mappers.

Best wishes,

Jean-Guilhem

https://twitter.com/jgVisov


Le 13/10/2016 à 09:18, Jean-Guilhem Cailton a écrit :
> Bonjour,
>
> Un nouveau projet vise à cartographier les dégâts à Jérémie à partir
> d'imagerie drone à 5 cm de résolution, obtenue par Frédéric Moine, que
> le gouvernement d'Haïti y a envoyé pour prendre des images avec les
> drones de Potentiel 3.0 (http://potentiel3-0.org) :
> http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/63
>
> Bien cordialement,
>
> Jean-Guilhem
>

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[HOT] OSM humanitarian mapping and its learning curve

[Severin Menard]

The edits on hotosm.org job #2228 
have started and now happens what I feared. There is no mention of what are
the necessary skills and newbies are coming with a lot of enthusiasm but
with almost no OSM experience. A quick analysis of the first 29
contributors shows that 20 of them have created their OSM account less than
one month ago. Some did it yesterday or today. Wow.

The result of that : obviously, crappy edits are coming, spoiling what we
have been doing over the last few days : now we have building as nodes
where shapes are totally visible, un-squared bad shaped buildings and the
main landuse area is self-cutting in various places (see there
).

Nothing new under the sun : it was already the case for Haiti EarthQuake
2010. Quite a pity that six years after, despite the OSM tools have
improved a lot, it remains the same. It is though quite simple to fix the
most part of it: do-not-invite-newcomers-to-map-over-complex-crisis-
contexts.

I guess some will argue that the OSM newcomers are people of good will and
that they just want to help and that they my feel offended/discouraged. Of
course their intentions are high and yes they may feel a bit hurt. But this
is really a classic in humanitarian response: people with the best
intentions in the world may not fit for it, just because they are not
experienced yet.

Mapping in OSM in crisis response is not an exciting one-shot hobby : it
does have its learning curve and it is key to learn how to map correctly
before being dropped over complex humanitarian contexts. This is why I
mentioned three sets of necessary skills for the jobs I created these last
days on http://taches.francophonelibre.org. And the beginner mappers who
joined the job that fitted for beginners are people that already have a few
months of OSM experience, not newcomers. Newcomers should be driven over
non urgent fields.

If someone is not interested to learn first in not a mass media covered
crisis context : this is not a problem, it is actually a good way to see
real motivations. I personally prefer to get one mapper that will become a
huge, excellent contributor, 3-4 more occasional but still producing neat
data, than to lose 10 that would create crappy objects and just leave
forever afterwards anyway.

I guess the resulting need of duplicating the number of necessary edits
(crappy ones then corrections) to get a clean data is a rather a good way
to grow the number of total contributors and the number of total edits
created through the # of the HOT TM instance that seems to be so important
for the board of HOT US Inc (two current directors have contacted me for
this purpose) to make communication and raise funds from the figures. But
what is at stake here is to provide good baseline data for humanitarian
response, not distorted metrics.

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[HOT] Map4Haiti

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Hi,

Brief update about our mapping over Haiti from Bouaké, Côte d'Ivoire + a
few remote people worldwide, complementing the work done by HOT US on its
TM instance.

Pre-disaster mapping over Jérémie is expected to be finished today over the
downtown area so that it is ready for any post-disaster mapping. Hard work
as the Bing imagery is not super clear and the existing edits were pretty
rough, not as Les Cayes, where the mapping completeness is quite good. It
is currently a private task done by skilled mappers to be sure that the
edits are really clean. Unfortunately it makes the job non visible (I will
suggest a TM enhancement that such jobs can be visible for anyone), but if
there any skilled mapper (with tens thousands of edits) interested to join,
please ask.

Systematic, consolidated hinterland mapping in the hills is continuing. In
case of a Cholera outbreak, having a complete map over such areas is key.
First job southern Corail is done and our mapping is now focusing southern
Jeremie and Roseaux communes : http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/45.
It fits with all mappers, feel free to join.

Some feedback about mapping synergies and coordination on another email to
come.

Sincerely,

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[HOT] Map4Haiti

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Hi,

We have been 40 people mapping over Haiti on OpenStreetMap from l'Amicale
in Bouaké, Ivory Coast.

On the tasks.hotosm.org TM instance, the HOT ngo has organized mapping over
various large territories, going from west to east. The job for detailed,
buildings included, mapping has been focusing over the most populated
territories, currently the city of Léogâne.  .

We decided to complete this mapping:

- mapping over the temporary disaster shleters from the Direction of Civil
Protection by mapping around these key places located in the Impact zones 1
and 2 as defined by UNOSAT, added on OSM by members from the Communauté
OSM  Haïti in 2011 working for the International Organization of Migrations
- IOM.

- mapping over central, mountainous rural areas starting by where it is the
most incomplete in North East GrandeAnse, starting with the communes of
Corail and Pestel. This project fits with new mappers, that have been
trained over the whole week on OSM remote and field techniques. More than
25 people have been working on it.

- the coastal town of Corail, that remained mostly incomplete and let to
more experienced mappers

- the city of Jérémie, whose pre-disaster state was still far from being
complete  with many missing or imperfectly mapped buildings (see this
screenshot 
or this other one
 to get an
idea). This is a mapping project for only most advanced mappers with a long
OSM experience and a lot of good edits. A drone imagery cover is ongoing,
led by the Haitian Swiss association Potentiel 3.0 and will provide a very
high resolution post-disaster imagery

These various projects are accessible on http://taches.francophonelibre.org/

All the past and ongoing projects can be viewed on this uMap, showing the
synergies of the different projects :
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/cyclone-matthew-haiti-a
bris-et-mapping-distant_105470

As posted yesterday on talk-ht, Haiti is activating to participate to the
mapping efforts: https://lists.openstreetmap.or
g/pipermail/talk-ht/2016-October/001281.html
It should not be forgotten that the OSM crisis mapping has been intially
made in Haiti, both remotely and on the field, and that good local
resources do exist.

Sincerely,

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Re: [HOT] DigitalGlobe imagery for Matthew

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Hi Kevin,

I cannot get imagery when creating a new TMS in JOSM with either the first
or the second link. Is there something specific to be set to get it?

Sincerely,

Severin

On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Kevin Bullock 
wrote:

> @Milo - issue should be resolved
>
> @Jeff - I will ping you separately with S3
>
> Regards, Kevin
>
> Sent from my mobile
>
> On Oct 8, 2016, at 2:18 AM, Milo van der Linden  wrote:
>
> I get "Access denied"
>
> 2016-10-08 6:15 GMT+02:00 Kevin Bullock :
>
>> Hi Jeff, no keys needed. Just hit these links:
>>
>> http://opendata.digitalglobe.com/index.html?prefix=hurricane
>> -matthew/pre-event/
>>
>> http://opendata.digitalglobe.com/index.html?prefix=hurricane
>> -matthew/post-event/
>>
>> Regards, Kevin
>>
>> Sent from my mobile
>>
>> On Oct 7, 2016, at 8:45 PM, Jeffrey Johnson  wrote:
>>
>> Kevin, I cant seem to access the public bucket for this. Are there new
>> keys for this bucket?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Kevin Bullock 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Please see this link for access to Open Data from DigitalGlobe:
>>
>> http://opendata.digitalglobe.com/
>>
>>
>> more on blog:
>>
>> http://blog.digitalglobe.com/2016/10/07/open-data-volunteer-
>> mapping-to-support-hurricane-response-in-haiti/
>>
>>
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Re: [HOT] Can we extend the time a tile is locked please?

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Hi,

Quite a recurrent topic for years. I created this ticket two weeks ago,
feel free to suggest improvements or to support it.

Severin

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 1:12 PM, john whelan  wrote:

> Bootable JOSM on a USB stick?  Smaller tiles?
>
> I think we have identified a problem area even if we don't yet have an
> instant solution.
>
> Any more suggestions?
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 17 April 2016 at 08:35, Dale Kunce  wrote:
>
>> John,
>> I've seen this a lot to and I think it's how iD is used in the mapathon.
>> When you have lots of mappers ID struggles to redraw the area after a save.
>> Another problem is that if it's a dense area ID will hide features to
>> reduce drawing time and increase browser performance.
>>
>> In general I think the old 2 hour per tile is way way to long. We try and
>> make tiles for beginners that are about 30 min worth of work. This
>> increases the amount of tiles completed and gives folks a better sense of
>> accomplishment even if it's the same amount of mapping.
>> On Apr 17, 2016 8:26 AM, "Ralf Stephan"  wrote:
>>
>>> I have seen this too recently, and I also always thought the time too
>>> short in general.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 1:39 PM john whelan 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 When validating I'm seeing buildings double mapped.  I've seen fifty on
 a tile.  They are both a pain to clean up and a waste of mapper resources.

 What I think is happening is maperthon mappers going off for lunch or a
 coffee break and leaving the tile locked.  The time lock expires, someone
 else grabs the tile but the first mapper continues to map.  Now we have two
 mappers mapping at the same time on the same tile.

 I've also seen highways double mapped etc.

 Ideally a six hour time lock would save a lot of this double mapping
 but there are trade offs.

 Could six hours be made the default but for a particular urgent project
 the project manager could set a lower value?

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Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

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Hi,

This would be IMHO an horrible practice, for the complex buildings skilled
mappers took the time to map + basically all the round huts.
As a common OSM rule is not to tag for the rendering, a new one should be
not to distord the data because of the shortcomings of an editing tool. ID
should propose a building tool or automatically propose to square the
buildings to anyone having drawn a surface and tag it as a building.
Basically it is IMHO a few hours of code vs tons of hours for validators to
clean the crappy data. I had a brief discussion about this with someone
from Mapbox during the Nepal activation, when it was obvious the higher
proportion of new mappers was producing data with lower quality than usual
during activations. People from Mapbox, please consider to improve iD in
this way.

Sincerely,

Severin
Le 14 avr. 2016 11:44, "john whelan"  a écrit :

> I think we are agreed that squaring individual buildings is a hassle for
> the validators.
>
> Do I hear that selecting all buildings with less than 7 nodes and
> squaring/resquaring them all at once is acceptable although not ideal?
>
> Thanks John
>
> On 14 April 2016 at 04:15, Jo  wrote:
>
>> It would be far better to add a tool comparable to buildings-tools plugin
>> to iD. We should have proposed that for GSoC2016... well, maybe next year.
>>
>> Jo
>>
>> 2016-04-14 9:47 GMT+02:00 Suzan Reed :
>>
>>> JOSM is the tool to use, I agree. However I did become somewhat of an iD
>>> power user and so I just tried to square a number of polygons at once
>>> rather than one at a time. I tried many variations including selecting all
>>> of them and then trying to apply the “s” tool and grouping them. Nothing
>>> worked. Maybe the iD team could add that to iD? Then new mappers could then
>>> square all their buildings in one go when the mistake is pointed out. It
>>> would be quite useful. Squaring buildings in either iD or JOSM is a
>>> thankless and tedious task.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Suzan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 13, 2016, at 11:01 PM, Ralf Stephan  wrote:
>>>
>>> I might be missing something but what's wrong with selecting all
>>> buildings in JOSM via Search (check if there are huts selected or 45-degree
>>> buildings of course) and then do a mass orthogonalization? That would be
>>> part of a validation workflow and could even be automated.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 7:48 AM Jo  wrote:
>>> If you want a building squared at 45 degrees in JOSM, for some reason,
>>> you can start with a closed way with 8 nodes, then use the circle tool.
>>>
>>> Or you can press 'a' twice, allowing you to add the next part of a way
>>> at 15 degree angle intervals. It's possible to create really nice geometric
>>> shapes using this method.
>>>
>>> One has to know the tool one is working with.
>>>
>>> When people insist on working with iD, it's necessary to tell them (over
>>> and over again) about the importance of doing the extra step of squaring
>>> the rectangular buildings. For one thing, it makes using JOSM's extrude
>>> tool easier, if it's needed to improve the building.
>>>
>>> I understand that, as a validator, it's extremely tedious to square all
>>> those buildings, even when using the todo plugin and pressing ]q]q]q]q]q]
>>> hundreds of times. You could invalidate the tiles which contain mostly
>>> unsquared buildings. Or you could just leave them alone, post a remark to
>>> the user and validate the tile anyway. Better that than becoming burned out
>>> as a validator.
>>>
>>> I've been trying to get people to understand how much work it is to
>>> validate their tiles, when buildings are not squared by creating
>>> screencasts and posting a link to it in the comment field. This was rather
>>> effective, but it still is rather time consuming and there are always new
>>> users coming in, which, for some reason, were not trained with JOSM the
>>> power tool, but with iD instead.
>>>
>>> Anyway, those screencasts were also meant as a way to show people the
>>> advantages of using JOSM, but I don't know if I have been very successful
>>> at getting them to start using it. It's hard to make people switch to
>>> something new, which is why I'll be teaching only JOSM, this Saturday (also
>>> because I don't know iD all that well, ofc). I failed to follow up, as I
>>> moved on to other projects that gave me more satisfaction (as a validator).
>>>
>>> Polyglot
>>>
>>> 2016-04-14 4:15 GMT+02:00 Suzan Reed :
>>> How about showing people how to map a building and square it right at
>>> the beginning of mapping? It’s all one motion for me.
>>>
>>> Just a suggestion!
>>>
>>> Suzan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 13, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Clifford Snow 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 4:52 PM, john whelan 
>>> wrote:
>>> Seeing 200 unsquared buildings by one mapper on a tile makes me think
>>> they weren't using JOSM and the building-tool.  I could be wrong, the same
>>> mapper also left behind three area=yes squares that just happened to be the
>>> same as a building image.

Re: [HOT] highway tag africa

[Severin Menard]

Hi Joost,

Looks weird for me as well, and I agree with your comments about the ford
tagging.

Sincerely,

Severin

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 8:38 AM, joost schouppe 
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> Hi,
>
> Could someone have a look at the "Other crossing" section of the English
> language article? [1]
>
> It used to be very confusing, but I find the current version a bit
> strange. The most common river crossing without a bridge should be a simple
> "ford=yes". Then you can add all sorts of extra information. The default
> the article suggests is flood_prone . This tag is used ten times less in
> the database, and seems like a redundant differentiation: it's just that
> the ford here is dry most of the time.
>
> At the time I translated the article to Spanish, I interpreted flood_prone
> as "usually there is a bridge, but it's probe to flooding". There's quite a
> difference between the articles now.
>
> On the subject, it might be useful to extend the ford/ferry with suggested
> tagging for seasonal effects. For example, there's a ford in dry season,
> and a ferry in the wet season.
>
> Or maybe we should make a general river crossing article on the wiki and
> refer the readers there?
>
> [1]: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Africa#Other_crossings
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Re: [HOT] Bug in HOTOSM export

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Hi,

I also noticed the thematic layers are full of unnecessary (because empty)
fields that it would be good to remove. Eg if you check the attribute table
for the building shp layer.

Sincerely,

Severin
Le 3 déc. 2015 12:30, "Brian O'Hare"  a écrit :

> Hi Blake, John,
>
> I think the issue here is that there is a great degree of overlap between
> the HDM and OSM models. The thematic layer generation looks for a subset of
> tags and sorts them thematically. Because of the overlap between the two
> models its very likely that choosing either of the models will result in
> the same attributes being exported in the thematic shapefile, making it
> seem as if there's a bug in the link code. The thematic layer generation
> stuff could probably do with some refinement to account for the differences
> in the export models.
>
> Hope that makes sense!
>
> cheers,
>
> Brian.
>
>
> On 3 December 2015 at 02:19, Blake Girardot  wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Thank you for the feedback.
>>
>> I will take a look at it. I am not sure the thematic version takes the
>> tags from the tag selection tree into account at all as I originally
>> developed the thematic versions outside of the export tool and just
>> suggested my ogr2ogr scripts to Brian so we could also offer that thematic
>> breakout as part of the export tool.
>>
>> Maybe we could talk directly so I could better understand how we could
>> create the thematic layers based on the tag selections and have it still be
>> useful to you as a user of the export tool and shapefiles.
>>
>> cheers,
>> Blake
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/2/2015 4:33 PM, John Gordon wrote:
>>
>>> I have been using the  HOTOSM export utility ( export.hotosm.org ),
>>> which I find extremely useful, however, I think I have come across a bug
>>> while downloading shapefiles.  I download in both the Esri SHP (OSM
>>> Schema) and Esri SHP (Thematic Schema)  file formats and in both the
>>> Humanitarian Data Model and OSM Data Model tree tags.  Using the OSM
>>> schema I get the expected unique downloads using the different Tree Tags
>>> but when I use the Thematic Scheme I get what appears to me to be
>>> identical downloads from both the Humanitarian and OSM Tree Tags (I
>>> believe it is the OSM  download).  It looks like someone has mistakenly
>>> entered the wrong link for the Humanitarian tree tag.
>>>
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Re: [HOT] Introducing myself to the community

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Dear Aditi,

Thanks for your interest in improving these tools. You are mentioning this
issue  affecting the
Export tool v2. I cced Brian who developed it, so that both of you can
communicate.

Sincerely,

Severin

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Aditi Agarwal 
wrote:

> Hi.
>
>
> I am Aditi Agarwal, a third year undergraduate student at International
> Institute of Information Technology-Hyderabad, India in Computer Science
> and Engineering. I am a research student under LSI (Lab for Spatial
> Informatics) lab, and thus my studies are in the same field.
>
>
> I have worked on QGIS, and dealt with basic operations of raster and
> vector data models of various datasets. I am an Outreachy Dec-March
> aspirant, and I would like to start contributing to HOT.
>
>
> I am interested in second project and reviewed the listed issues on
> Github. I would like to start my work with issue #97 "Overlapping polygons
> are badly exported" opened by *severinmenard
> *. I looked at it, and found it
> interesting to work on.
>
> It would be great if someone can guide me as to how to proceed with it,
> from a little basic point of view, since I am a beginner. Or if someone can
> suggest me an easier issue to start with, that will be very helpful.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Best,
> Aditi Agarwal
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Re: [HOT] Using TMS Within QGIS

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Hi Rod,

I agree we should let TMS for WMTS, that is also now available in JOSM
imagery settings.

Sincerely,

Severin

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Rod Bera  wrote:

> Hi Pierre and Noah,
>
> I like to add my 2 cents. Sorry in advance for not bringing a solution
> but instead here's a general suggestion:
>
> Maybe the OSM community should move to OGC's WMTS.
> TMS proves useful, is supposed to be fast, but so does WMTS.
>
> Moreover, WMTS is an OGC standard, and works fine with other OGC standards.
> You can therefore use them together: WMTS for quick display, WMS for
> rendering, WFS or WCS for querying, CSW for metadata, etc. And since OGC
> has its weight clients to handle these standard (esp. QGIS) are
> developed in priority.
> In my view building bridges and making transparent the interoperability
> between OSM and OGC is a priority as OSM is being largely used in the
> world of spatial data infrastructures (SDI) as a base map but also as a
> source for layer extraction. Reversely, SDIs can serve data and layers
> for OSM mapping.
>
> Well, at this point maybe I should give an example.
>
> here:
>
> http://geoxxx.agrocampus-ouest.fr/mapfishapp?lang=en/map/8645aa4aef0ce2dde95ecf4e21e7bf10
>
> This is OSM data uploaded onto an SDI during the mapping action in Cote
> d'Ivoire last week. Nice and versatile, as this is opens numberless ways
> to reuse OSM data and probably make them reach e.g. people who are
> strictly not into OSM and tech ("common" people, local councils, etc.
> those who infrequently use google maps...).
>
> To add a note on bridges:
>
> *here the SDI is using OSM as a base map (wms! and really quick, thanks
> to http://www.osm-wms.de/; http://ows.terrestris.de/dienste.html#wms;
> the wms url you can cut-paste in qgis:
> http://ows.terrestris.de/osm/service?)
>
> *in menu "espace de travail" ("workspace". Prefer it in english ? then
> reload as
>
> http://geoxxx.agrocampus-ouest.fr/mapfishapp/map/8645aa4aef0ce2dde95ecf4e21e7bf10?lang=en
> ; same holds for es, de, ru) you can move to OSM's editing tools (ID,
> Potlatch, Josm)
>
> *in menu outils/tools you can load extra tools. One of them is "OSM to
> geOrchestra". You can add a layer to the viewer based on overpass queries.
>
>
> As you see the convergence between OSM and SDIs is on its way, but there
> is a lot that can be done. And OGC standards are a key.
>
> Some more details on this SDI. It was set up for teaching and training
> and the underlying techno is geOrchestra (http://www.georchestra.org/).
> It's FOSS, makes a full use of OGC standards (as mentioned earlier), and
> stands on the shoulders of "geogiants" (GeoServer, GeoNetwork,
> Openlayers, etc.)
> And as geOrchestra is modular, you can easily replace or remove some of
> these (e.g. not running a GeoNetwork, or use Mapserver instead of GS, etc.)
>
> Unfortunately, all this can't be achieved just with TMS. We definitely
> need to use OGC web services as much as possible, and several at a time.
>
> Rod
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 13/10/15 03:37, Pierre Béland wrote:
> > Hi Noah,
> >
> > No I dont know. But you can try either to search the archives of the
> > QGIS users group or contact the list
> > http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-user/
> > regard
> >
> > Pierre
> >
> > 
> > *De :* noah ahles 
> > *À :* Pierre Béland 
> > *Cc :* hot 
> > *Envoyé le :* Lundi 12 octobre 2015 21h13
> > *Objet :* Re: [HOT] Using TMS Within QGIS
> >
> > Hi Pierre,
> >
> > Do you know of anyone who does use these TMS layers within QGIS? I am
> > very interested in making this work. Not sure why my .tsv files are
> > causing an error.
> >
> > Best,
> > Noah
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 1:57 PM, noah ahles  > > wrote:
> >
> > Pierre,
> >
> > I have been using the TileLayer Plugin with the same syntax but I
> > keep getting this error downloading message:
> > Inline image 1
> >
> > It seems to recognize the files I am trying to download but can't
> > access them for some reason.
> >
> > Syntax:
> > Martadi   DigitalGlobe, 2015-05-10
> >
> http://mw1.gstatic.com/crisisresponse/firstlook/2015/firstlook_PO_054370506010_01_2015_05_13_maptiles/{x}_{y}_{z}.png
> > <
> http://mw1.gstatic.com/crisisresponse/firstlook/2015/firstlook_PO_054370506010_01_2015_05_13_maptiles/%7Bx%7D_%7By%7D_%7Bz%7D.png
> >
> >
> > Noah
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 12:56 PM,  > > wrote:
> >
> > Noah,
> >
> > You need to install the Tilelayer Plugin. From Internet /
> > OpenLayers plugin Menu, this provides a list of available tms
> > layers such as osm.
> >
> > I have not tried adding a custom layer in QGIS, but the
> > TileLayerPlugin github page describes how to specify custom
> layers.
> >
> > https://github.com/minorua/TileLayerPlugin
> > Example of the syntax recognized by this 

Re: [HOT] Beta Release of the Redeveloped Export Tool

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

I did a full test of the Beta version and added around 10 feedback through
issues in GitHub.
Question though, the Beta list mentions:

*Configuration Files*

Removed:

   - Schema Transform
   - Language Translation

We agreed to keep these functions to an admin level. How this level can be
got and how the common users can have access to them?

Sincerely,


Severin


On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 8:00 AM, Mhairi O'Hara 
wrote:

> Hey Brad and the rest of the HOTties,
>
> Please find the notes of the Beta release
>  on the
> GitHub wiki, which includes details of the changes between versions of the
> Export Tool.
>
> Similarly notes were released for the Alpa release
>  which can
> also be found on the GitHub wiki. This is where we will host information
> about the final changes for the Live release on Monday the 28th September.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mhairi
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 10:56 PM, Mhairi O'Hara 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Brad,
>>
>> Sorry, it is my evening over this side of the world hence the delay in
>> response. As Blake mentioned above, GitHub is a great place to follow the
>> issues and requests regarding the redevelopment.
>>
>> I will also add the changes to the GitHub wiki page first thing in the
>> morning as well as follow up via this email thread. If you get a chance,
>> please do take a look at some of the items as your insight and feedback
>> will be greatly beneficial.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Mhairi
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 8:14 PM, Blake Girardot 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Brad,
>>>
>>> If you have not had a chance, we could use some help looking over the
>>> open and closed issues on the github repo:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/hotosm/osm-export-tool2/issues
>>>
>>> It would really be helpful to us to have feedback and input on those
>>> items, the tool in general and give you a good sense of what we are working
>>> on currently and what has been brought up and hopefully addressed.
>>>
>>> We are using it to track both internally and externally identified
>>> issues and requests.
>>>
>>> I think that is also a good place to ask questions, but here is good too
>>> if that works better for you.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Blake
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/23/2015 12:29 PM, Brad Hards wrote:
>>>
 On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 12:39:27 PM Mhairi O'Hara wrote:

> The new Export Tool  was released for its
> Beta
> phase on Friday the 18th of September. We have had great input from the
> community during the Alpha release and would like your continued
> support
> with testing.
>
 Can you say what has / has not changed, and address the questions and
 issues
 that were raised on the Alpha release?

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Re: [HOT] Request for mapping: Colombia - Venezuela border crossings / solicita HOT por crisis en frontera colombo-venezolana

[Severin Menard]

Hi Humberto,

Can you precise which TM job (over the border crossing) should be
prioritized?

Severin

On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 12:11 AM, hyan...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi Hotties,
>
> Maps are very urgent at the border crossing, please help us to end
> validations to delivery it as soon as possible.
>
> Many, many thanks,
>
> Humberto Yances
>
> 2015-09-13 7:44 GMT-05:00 hyan...@gmail.com :
>
>> Thank you Blake, that's right.
>>
>> Hi Katja, (to give a better idea of the situation and initial purpose of
>> the map) 70% of deported people doesn't have a formal shelter for a
>> temporal stay, so they can receive proper attention by humanitarian action
>> on the field. We need to find this buildings like schools, hospitals or
>> churches that can serve to this porpouse.  Roads/paths are required for
>> logistics.
>>
>> This is a map of actual (filled) shelters:
>> http://geonode.salahumanitaria.co/layers/geonode%3Aalbergues_ntesantander
>>
>> We are coordinating with people on the field to confirm if any of the new
>> buildings traced correspond to one of those temporary shelter types, so
>> please continue tracing and please share your doubts or comments.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Humberto
>>
>> PD: Everyday arrive more people, so open areas tracing is a desired plus.
>>
>> 2015-09-13 7:05 GMT-05:00 Blake Girardot :
>>
>>> Hi Katja,
>>>
>>> I have not reviewed the areas yet for how difficult the mapping is due
>>> to imagery or terrain, but the objects to map are for mappers of any
>>> experience level.
>>>
>>> Basically it is a buildings and roads mapping project, and open areas,
>>> which should be easy to spot as well.
>>>
>>> If you can't decide if something is a sports pitch or open area in a
>>> settlement (leisure=common) or a flat grass area, then it probably is _not_
>>> one. These areas should be easy and clear to identify.
>>>
>>> When I map today, if I see anything that looks confusing I'll write back
>>> or maybe Humberto or someone else with on the ground experience can help
>>> clarify things.
>>>
>>> And of course, please send us questions if you find individual things
>>> you are not sure about.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Blake
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/13/2015 12:45 PM, Katja Ulbert wrote:
>>>
 Hi Humberto, Blake and all,

 thanks for putting this on the agenda!

 Is this a task for more experienced mappers? I consider myself an
 average OSM/HOT mapper but I have no experience in displaced persons
 crisis. I read the instructions, from what I understood the goal is to
 map possible areas for shelters or camps, is that correct?

 Regards

 Katja

 On 12/09/15 23:31, Blake Girardot wrote:

> Greetings everyone,
>
> HOT member and coordinator in Colombia, Humberto Yances, received a
> request from a local OCHA Colombia official to map some border areas
> that are currently dealing with a displaced persons crisis.
>
> Humberto provided this overview of the situation (machine translated):
>
> Under the state of emergency declared by the Constitutional Government
> of Venezuela from August 21, in ten municipalities of Tachira, 1,482
> Colombians were deported to Norte de Santander, Arauca, La Guajira and
> Vichada. The figures are still rising in other border departments, and
> reports of arrivals received in other municipalities and capital
> cities.
>
> The most affected department remains Norte de Santander, where 15,176
> people have been officially characterized as returned and are in the
> process of being listed in the Register Unique Victims (RUD)
> administered by the National Unit for Disaster Risk Management (UNGRD).
>
> The two projects for this are here:
>
> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1190
> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1191
>
> They are not large areas so I think we can get them mapped pretty
> quickly if we can get some good numbers mapping.
>
> Regards,
> Blake
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Re: [HOT] Getting current satellite data after an emergency

[Severin Menard]

Hi Edwin,

A few people are testing the use of Sentinel imagery for potentiel use in
OSM and I guess they will provide some feedback afterwards.

Sincerely,

Severin

On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 10:14 PM, Edwin Wisse  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> In the past i have participated in some missing maps and hotosm tasks.
> However, i have often found it difficult to distinguish between terrain
> types in areas i do not know. For example, along a river in Central Africa
> vegetation marks the low water river banks, the area behind it can flood
> during high water. In a missing maps task the task was to map these areas
> to identify sleeping sickness vulnerable areas. This cannot be done well
> using a single dataset for a single date of aerial images. The instructions
> in the task descriptions are very helpful but sometimes not enough. One
> needs more information than aerial photos provide.
>
> Presently there is an increasing number of satellites providing more and
> more information. The european Sentinel series provides both radar and
> visual imagery and various dataproducts derived from that imagery. These
> information products are used in emergency situations. The humanitarian
> openstreetmap tasks benefit from a simple mapping client like the
> in-browser iD editor. id gives the user a choice in background layers, by
> default a user can choose between bing, mapbox and mapquest.
>
> Do you think it would be beneficial if satellite data products like
> Sentinel derived information were available in an in-browser openstreetmap
> editor like iD? I think information products like vegetation maps, soil
> moisture, etc would provide useful background information and could be
> described well enough in the task instructions.
>
> Best regards,
> Edwin Wisse
>
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Re: [HOT] Alpha Release of the Redeveloped Export Tool

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

I did not ask to keep anyone being able to use these functions, but not to
simply remove them. Yes there were bad uploads, I had already delete some
in the pasts. I think what has been set for the Tasking Manager works fine
with the Project Manager and Administrator rights, as well with another
instance allowing tests for the developer and training for the future
Project Managers.

Sincerely,

Severin

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Brian O'Hare 
wrote:

> Hi Severin,
>
> My feeling is that the translation and transform files should be added by
> an administrator rather than being uploaded by regular users. Its very
> difficult to validate the schema transformation and translation files that
> are uploaded.. we can check that the mime-types are text/plain but beyond
> that it becomes a bit much to test if they're even valid sql etc. If you
> look at the rest of the uploaded files on the export tool v1 you'll see
> that most of it is complete junk.. there are raw osm files larger than 10MB
> in this list! Allowing users to upload any old file makes the export
> process very brittle and leads to a cluttering of the tool with garbage.
> From the user survey conducted its clear that transformations and
> translations are corner cases. Our focus on the re-development has been on
> improving the overall usability and stability of the tool rather than
> catering to every need regardless of its usefulness to the majority of
> users. I'm sure there's away to include the work you've been doing on
> translation and transformation but that does not compromise the usability
> and stability of the service.
>
> kind regards,
>
> Brian.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Severin Menard 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mhairi,
>>
>> This is very surprising and disappointing for me to see that the
>> Translation and Transform capacity that was one of the core functions of
>> this tool when we designed it in 2012, has been just removed. It was not
>> used much so far indeed, due to a lack of transform and translation files.
>> And this is precisely what I have been working on on my voluntary time for
>> months. If you go to http://export.hotosm.org/en/uploads/translations
>> and click on Traduction_HDDM_FR_valeurs : Download
>> <http://export.hotosm.org/uploads/translation-317>, you can see a
>> translation file from EN to FR of (currently) most common 674 tags,
>> alphabetically ordered and regularly improved, from this document
>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/15jAoP5ErSSHSSU8PZQEfzLSdGACYO7HimfqKhHPpi0U/edit>.
>> This file is a good asset to be reused for other languages, as more than
>> half the job (listing and typing the tags) is already done.
>> Regarding the SQL Transform, the Traduction_HDDM_FR_champs : Download
>> <http://export.hotosm.org/uploads/tagtransform-301> translates the
>> column names (meaning keys) from EN to FR, and it can also be reused for
>> other languages or data model. This other SQL transform file
>> <http://export.hotosm.org/uploads/tagtransform-301> allows to transform
>> the OSM road data model into the WFP one.
>> The result is eg this job <http://export.hotosm.org/en/jobs/12416>, in
>> which all the data is translated into French, what really facilitates the
>> use of the OSM data among non English speaking students or GIS
>> professionals in French speaking countries (what is not rare at all).
>>
>> The HOT Export is currently the only tool to do this, with such an easy
>> that ticking two choices during a job creation. It would be really sad HOT
>> would walked down this way and force everyone to use only English. Hope
>> these functions can be back in the HOT Exports v2. Otherwise, non EN
>> speakers (or just people that would like to get the data in their own
>> language) will have to stay and deal with v1.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Severin
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Mhairi O'Hara 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Severin,
>>>
>>> Sorry just saw this message now. After some discussion, Brian and I
>>> thought it would be best to remove this functionality from the new tool
>>> based on the results of the survey we conducted on the Export Tool.
>>>
>>> It verified our assumption that there are only a handful of individuals
>>> that used the Transform and Translation functionality offered by the tool,
>>> who are generally more advanced GIS users.
>>>
>>> Therefore those users that have the skills and capability to create the
>>> required configuration files, can also do this modification outside of th

Re: [HOT] Alpha Release of the Redeveloped Export Tool

[Severin Menard]

Hi Mhairi,

This is very surprising and disappointing for me to see that the
Translation and Transform capacity that was one of the core functions of
this tool when we designed it in 2012, has been just removed. It was not
used much so far indeed, due to a lack of transform and translation files.
And this is precisely what I have been working on on my voluntary time for
months. If you go to http://export.hotosm.org/en/uploads/translations and
click on Traduction_HDDM_FR_valeurs : Download
<http://export.hotosm.org/uploads/translation-317>, you can see a
translation file from EN to FR of (currently) most common 674 tags,
alphabetically ordered and regularly improved, from this document
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/15jAoP5ErSSHSSU8PZQEfzLSdGACYO7HimfqKhHPpi0U/edit>.
This file is a good asset to be reused for other languages, as more than
half the job (listing and typing the tags) is already done.
Regarding the SQL Transform, the Traduction_HDDM_FR_champs : Download
<http://export.hotosm.org/uploads/tagtransform-301> translates the column
names (meaning keys) from EN to FR, and it can also be reused for other
languages or data model. This other SQL transform file
<http://export.hotosm.org/uploads/tagtransform-301> allows to transform the
OSM road data model into the WFP one.
The result is eg this job <http://export.hotosm.org/en/jobs/12416>, in
which all the data is translated into French, what really facilitates the
use of the OSM data among non English speaking students or GIS
professionals in French speaking countries (what is not rare at all).

The HOT Export is currently the only tool to do this, with such an easy
that ticking two choices during a job creation. It would be really sad HOT
would walked down this way and force everyone to use only English. Hope
these functions can be back in the HOT Exports v2. Otherwise, non EN
speakers (or just people that would like to get the data in their own
language) will have to stay and deal with v1.

Sincerely,

Severin

On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Mhairi O'Hara 
wrote:

> Hey Severin,
>
> Sorry just saw this message now. After some discussion, Brian and I
> thought it would be best to remove this functionality from the new tool
> based on the results of the survey we conducted on the Export Tool.
>
> It verified our assumption that there are only a handful of individuals
> that used the Transform and Translation functionality offered by the tool,
> who are generally more advanced GIS users.
>
> Therefore those users that have the skills and capability to create the
> required configuration files, can also do this modification outside of the
> Export Tool and probably do it much better, as it can be tested and viewed
> better in another GIS software.
>
> Of course we would like to hear more from the users that have used this
> functionality to weigh up its pros and cons. I've had the fortunate
> opportunity to speak to Amadou in person about his use of the Translation
> function and would like to discuss this more.
>
> We thought the best way to really find out how users of the tool would
> feel about its removal, was to go ahead and do it and see the reaction :)
> So let's talk about this while the tool is still in its testing phase to
> come to the best decision.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Mhairi
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Severin Menard 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mhairi,
>>
>> Thanks for your message.
>> Where can we input the translation and the SQL transform files we created
>> for the v.1?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Severin
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Mhairi O'Hara 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello HOTties,
>>>
>>> The Alpha release of the new Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team OSM Export
>>> Tool <http://hot.geoweb.io/en/jobs/create/> takes place today. Please
>>> help us iron out any bugs or oversights by logging issues on the dedicated
>>> GitHub repository
>>> <http://github.com/hotosm/osm-export-tool2/wiki/Alpha-Release%20%20which%20details%20the%20key%20changes%20from%20the%20previous%20version.%20A%20special%20thanks%20goes%20out%20to%20our%20amazing%20developer%20Brian%20O%E2%80%99Hare%20who%20has%20worked%20relentlessly%20on%20the%20redevelopment,%20Arushi%20Vashist%20for%20supporting%20the%20work,%20the%20community%20for%20their%20feedback%20and%20the%20Hewlett%20Foundation,%20who%E2%80%99s%20generous%20grant%20made%20it%20possible%20to%20create%20a%20better%20tool%20to%20meet%20all%20your%20OSM%20data%20exporting%20needs.>.
>>> The Alpha phase runs from the 31st August till the 18th September, when the
>>> Beta release is scheduled for the final testing phase before the new site
>>> is migrated and goes live on the 

Re: [HOT] Alpha Release of the Redeveloped Export Tool

[Severin Menard]

Hi Mhairi,

Thanks for your message.
Where can we input the translation and the SQL transform files we created
for the v.1?

Sincerely,

Severin

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Mhairi O'Hara 
wrote:

> Hello HOTties,
>
> The Alpha release of the new Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team OSM Export
> Tool  takes place today. Please
> help us iron out any bugs or oversights by logging issues on the dedicated
> GitHub repository
> .
> The Alpha phase runs from the 31st August till the 18th September, when the
> Beta release is scheduled for the final testing phase before the new site
> is migrated and goes live on the 28th September.
>
> Please see the Alpha release GitHub wiki page
>  which
> details the key changes from the previous version. A special thanks goes
> out to Brian O’Hare who has worked relentlessly on the redevelopment,
> Arushi Vashist for her support, the community for their feedback and the
> Hewlett Foundation, who’s generous grant made it possible to create a
> better tool to meet all your OSM data exporting needs.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Mhairi O'Hara
>
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Re: [HOT] Geometry

[Severin Menard]

Hi Jacques,

Thanks for your participation to this TM job. I restructured and updated
the instructions regarding the buildings. Please tell me if it is more
clear for you regarding the drawing and the imagery offset.
http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/591

Nevertheless, it is not an easy mapping project, at all, involving offset
data and two sources of imagery. If you are new in mapping, I would advise
you to contribute first with easier TM projects.

Sincerely,

Severin

On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Heather Leson 
wrote:

> Welcome to HOT, Jacques. Maybe you could help by writing some quick points
> you think the instructions should have?
>
> Thanks,
>
> heather
>
> Heather Leson
> heatherle...@gmail.com
> Twitter: HeatherLeson
> Blog: textontechs.com
>
> On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Jacques Lacroix 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> New to Missing Maps and enjoying it.
>> Working on task 591, Juba South Soudan.
>> Not sure how precise the geometry of the buildings needs to be.
>> Significant image shift also, instructions not so clear if this needs to
>> be corrected in the first place.
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
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Re: [HOT] [hotosm-membership] HOT board agenda - Juin 2015

[Severin Menard]

Hi all,

Is the imagery coord issue raised for a while now among the confidential
topics? Would be good to take a decision on this.

>From the next meeting (meaning in July), it would be good to also have an
update regarding the strategic objectives of HOT, as defined last year,
each one wih a key indicator.

Sincerely,

Severin
Le 26 juin 2015 23:10, "Jorieke Vyncke"  a
écrit :

> Hello everybody,
>
> Here is the agenda for our next board meeting which will take place next
> tuesday:
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NQzllJaHdAxNSvz2hTMscydSXE_Wjfmp5Hl8fB_b9zo/edit#
> And finally we will welcome our 7th board member on the meeting!
>
> Best greetings,
>
> Jorieke
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Re: [HOT] Map-a-thon getting 509 Bandwidth Exceeded error

[Severin Menard]

Hi Nicholas,

My assumption is the machines are all using the same ip. I faced this in
the past in Haiti, but with JOSM and the classic download tool. The mirror
download plugin is less limited, but I do not know if there is a bypass for
iD.

Sincerely,

Severin

On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Blake Girardot  wrote:

>
>
> Hi Nick,
>
> Just to be complete for future reference as I had not heard of it before
> and I can see it happening to other HOT mapping groups in the future:
>
> We think this is not related to HOT or the Tasking Manager.
>
> We suspect that it is related to OpenStreetMap in general and the process
> of downloading the already existing data from OSM to your local users.
>
> Althio was suggesting you speak to the OSM system administrators via the
> general OSM email lists or IRC.
>
> It looks like you might have already followed up in IRC or someone with
> the same problem did and the edited exchange is below.
>
>
> ===
>
>  we were able to load our imagery and save data into OSM, but were
> unable to download the existing data into the editor. I looked at the
> network logs and everything was coming up 509 bandwidth exceeded
>
>  it subsided later, but would come back, sort of like we were
> getting throttled access.
>
>  you just need to shout on here with your IP address and we
> can apply a temporary fix
>
>  unfortunately there is no way to "book" the fix in advance -
> it has to be applied at the time that the problem occurs
>
>  and yes throttling is exactly what is going on
>
>  ok, in 12 hours from now can I do a ping? or does it gradually go
> back to normal?
>
>  it caps you to about 100Kbyte/second with a maximum debt of
> 250Mbytes - once you have downloaded 250Mbytes downloads will be blocked
> but that debt will decay away at 100Kbyte/second so yes, it will go back to
> normal over time once you stop
>
>  it should only take about 45 minutes to clear if you stop
> completely
>
>  the venue might have a limited number of IP addresses which could
> be behind the problem
>
>  the limit is per address so if it is natting or proxying
> people then that is likely the issue
>
>  I'll pop back onto #osm-dev in the morning and have our IP
> addresses ready in case anything happens
>
>  ok this is all good to know. I wasn't aware this could happen with
> normal editing, but I guess we have a good number of people and some dense
> data already uploaded into the system
> =
>
>
>
>
> On 6/20/2015 2:57 PM, althio wrote:
>
>> Hi Nicholas,
>>
>> I would say the general mailing list 'talk' or the technical working
>> group may be better suited than the HOT list for your request.
>>
>> See also:
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/API_usage_policy
>> "To avoid having your access blocked, please discuss your requirement
>> with system administrators either via their wiki pages or on the IRC
>> channel prior to starting."
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/System_Administrators
>>
>> Apart from that, some free and unchecked advice:
>>   - consider offline editor JOSM
>>   - use iD with zoom close in, not downloading large areas
>>
>> Best of luck.
>>
>> althio
>>
>>
>> On 20 June 2015 at 08:43, Nicholas Doiron 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm working with The Asia Foundation to run an OpenStreetMap map-a-thon
>>> in
>>> Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia. We have 17 teams of 3 people, mostly students and
>>> city planners, mapping unplanned areas of the city (ger districts)
>>>
>>> At 3:30pm local time, we got a 509 Bandwidth Exceeded error on most
>>> teams'
>>> machines, so we had to end our first day early.  No one's data is lost,
>>> but
>>> we can't download existing data into iD, so every map area looks blank.
>>> There was a risk we would add the same building many times.
>>>
>>> Is there a way for us to re-enabling editing before tomorrow morning? And
>>> keep the gates open for another 48 hours or so?
>>> I'll do my part by closing a couple of apps (including Show Me The Way
>>> from
>>> OSM Labs) which were running at the time
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Nick Doiron
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Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018

[Severin Menard]

Hi all,

I understand your worry Paul, and have the same experience of unvalidating
tasks. I put clear comments for the people to know why. There is no offense
I hope, everyone has been a beginner once and learning and improving is
part of the motivation with OSM, IMHO.
I just suggested this change in the asking Manager that should prevent in
the future the fact that tiles are validated by beginners:

https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/598, titled: Validate
button only for mappers who clicked previously on Edit with JOSM.

I also hope iD will have in the future not only a building mapping tool,
but also (as mappers may not use the building tool) an automatic
proposition to square or round the shape that has just been traced as soon
as a building tag is chosen (GitHub issue:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2624).


The tools and the documentation apart, we also need to organize and
exchange between us the people: who is interested in validation checking
meaning also providing feedback or monitoring beginners? Basically you need
to be a proficient user of JOSM and having a lot of edits (not less than
with 4-5 zeros, I would say)

It takes a bit of time but it is valuable and a nice way to interact. My
hello to Suzan Reed who asked me  directly for monitoring her tasks.

We have a list

(thanks to Pascal Neis!) of the beginners from the start of the Activation,
some are drive-bys (typically only 1 day of mapping, a few edits) and
others more to super committed mappers. I have started a spreadsheet for
those who would like to monitor these committed mappers.


Sincerely,


Severin

On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Extra Paul  wrote:

> Dear openstreetmappers :)
>
> I'm quite worried about the quality of maps for task 1018.
> Many of mappers, obviously, did not check the instructions or even the
> tutorials. People want to help, and that's awesome, but maybe validation
> should be done my more experienced and meticulous mappers.
> I've seen mappers validating more that 10 areas in less than an hour, and
> those areas still contain many errors : clusters of buildings mapped as
> one, landuse=residential area used for clusters of nothing more than 1 or 2
> buildings, many streams seen as footpath, many paths in the middle of
> nowhere...
> Maybe instructions should contain some images to show clearly what is
> expected, and explain that the purpose of this map is to count each
> individual buildings and have roads and paths connected to them so
> buildings can be reached by humanitarian teams.
> Currently, most of my time on 1018 is to check validated areas because
> half of those areas are not correctly mapped.
>
> Paul
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Re: [HOT] #1018 squaring buildings

[Severin Menard]

Sure, go there : http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/*yourusername*/history
or Click on your profile name on top right, then on the list on My profile,
then in the page on My edits

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Tom Ayerst  wrote:

> I am guilty of this.  I did not realise there was a squaring tool on the
> ID editor (There is, its in the halo of tools round an existing feature).
> I have been picking tasks at random, is there a way of finding which areas
> I have worked on so I can go back and fix the buildings I have drawn?
>
> Thank you
>
> Tom
>
> On 5 May 2015 at 10:36, m902  wrote:
>
>>  Hi,
>> I've noticed a number of new mappers not squaring buildings for #1018.
>> Could the instructions be updated to ask for buildings to be squared?
>> It looks wrong to me, and I will always square buildings (unless they are
>> obviously not square, of course).
>> Perhaps it doesn't matter?
>> Thanks
>> Martin
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Re: [HOT] Nepal data validation: overpass script to identify the recent mappers?

[Severin Menard]

Interesting, but it does not show any contributor.

On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 12:41 PM, amrit karmacharya 
wrote:

> This page shows Newest Active OpenStreetMap Contributors for Nepal
> http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosmcountry.php?c=Nepal.
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Kusala9  wrote:
>
>> I'm new to overpass but there s a nice python wrapper which will make
>> user counts and geometry calculations easier. I can look at this tonight
>> and will report back. Jon
>>
>> 58683-23001#47
>>
>> On 4 May 2015, at 02:45, Severin Menard  wrote:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Is there a overpass skilled person to write the script that can
>> identify mappers with limited experience (recent mapper ID or number of
>> contributions less than let us say 5,000) over Nepal, so that we can check
>> their contributions and give advice about how to improve them.
>> >
>> > Another hero would be the person able to include a detection of non
>> squared buildings within the Validator steps.
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> >
>> > Severin
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[HOT] Nepal data validation: overpass script to identify the recent mappers?

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

Is there a overpass skilled person to write the script that can identify
mappers with limited experience (recent mapper ID or number of
contributions less than let us say 5,000) over Nepal, so that we can check
their contributions and give advice about how to improve them.

Another hero would be the person able to include a detection of non squared
buildings within the Validator steps.

Sincerely,

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Re: [HOT] [activation hotosm] Nepal validation of edits: looking for a pool of "Über" Validators

[Severin Menard]

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Severin Menard 
wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Mhairi O'Hara 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Severin,
>>
>> I like the idea of creating a 'experienced mapper' status who can
>> validate/invalidate steps, and also promote other mappers to this status,
>> after they have validated much of their work and can vouch for their
>> mapping abilities and consistency, while the beginners start out only being
>> able to map non-validated tasks.
>>
> I would also propose for a future Gsoc (or kindly ask MapBox people to
> think about an enhancement) something detecting in Id that objects tagged
> as buildings are not squared, because I would say 90% crappy edits come
> from this
>

Just created this issue on GitHub:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2624

>
>> Cristiano had a great idea during the sprint of possibly including a chat
>> room tab on the TM project, where beginners can ask mapping questions
>> specific to the project. It would be great if the 'experienced mappers'
>> could guide the beginners here too.
>>
> It has been discussed for a long time, it is likely documented in github,
> would be good to check with Pierre G about possible developments about this
>
>>
>> I am taking note of all the suggestions for improvements to the
>> Activation process, so that we can bring them up at the next possible
>> Activation WG meeting and see everyones thoughts on the enhancements and
>> tools that will be able to assist.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Mhairi
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Severin Menard > > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Following this discussion, the Activation team feels that having an
>>> extra step of validation than the one embedded in each TM job would be a
>>> great asset to ensure a better quality and consistency for the OSM data
>>> produced through the Activation.
>>> If cleaning data or making it more consistent thrills you (it is
>>> actually the case for me) and you already have a large experience of it,
>>> please send an email to the activation email (copied) to likely access
>>> future TM jobs with large areas of data to validate, maybe related on two
>>> folds (road network vs the rest).
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Severin
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Severin Menard <
>>> severin.men...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> NIck and I made this wikipage about it:
>>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data
>>>>
>>>> I should actually update it a bit. In CAR for exemple, everytime a job
>>>> and task validation is done (the latter may not be finished, depending on
>>>> the motivation of mappers), I unpublish the job, download the whole area
>>>> and make a first quick check to identify areas where tasks were not
>>>> correctly done. If it took a long time to fix, I unvalidate these tasks and
>>>> republish the job.
>>>> Once everything is quite OK, I repeat the same process and
>>>> - clean everything with the validator
>>>> - add mssing objects
>>>> - improve the data consistency (especially the road network)
>>>> - improve the tag consistency (again, especially the road network,
>>>> according to the agreed scheme)
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Severin
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Pierre Béland 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Like we started yesterday, we need various ways to validate the data.
>>>>> Not only via the Task Manager. Yes, global validation are a good way to do
>>>>> it. We started to do for roads. If you think of other ways to validate,
>>>>> please do.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also asked previously for monitoring tools to better follow such
>>>>> huge activations. After this activation, we should make an evaluation and
>>>>> assure we develop appropriate tools to support such activations.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Pierre
>>>>>
>>>>>   --
>>>>>  *De :* Severin Menard 
>>>>> *À :* "hot@openstreetmap.org" 
>>>>> *Envoyé le :* Mardi 28 avril 2015 6h04
>>>>> *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAGH!
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>

Re: [HOT] [activation hotosm] Nepal validation of edits: looking for a pool of "Über" Validators

[Severin Menard]

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Mhairi O'Hara 
wrote:

> Hey Severin,
>
> I like the idea of creating a 'experienced mapper' status who can
> validate/invalidate steps, and also promote other mappers to this status,
> after they have validated much of their work and can vouch for their
> mapping abilities and consistency, while the beginners start out only being
> able to map non-validated tasks.
>
I would also propose for a future Gsoc (or kindly ask MapBox people to
think about an enhancement) something detecting in Id that objects tagged
as buildings are not squared, because I would say 90% crappy edits come
from this

>
> Cristiano had a great idea during the sprint of possibly including a chat
> room tab on the TM project, where beginners can ask mapping questions
> specific to the project. It would be great if the 'experienced mappers'
> could guide the beginners here too.
>
It has been discussed for a long time, it is likely documented in github,
would be good to check with Pierre G about possible developments about this

>
> I am taking note of all the suggestions for improvements to the Activation
> process, so that we can bring them up at the next possible Activation WG
> meeting and see everyones thoughts on the enhancements and tools that will
> be able to assist.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mhairi
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Severin Menard 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Following this discussion, the Activation team feels that having an extra
>> step of validation than the one embedded in each TM job would be a great
>> asset to ensure a better quality and consistency for the OSM data produced
>> through the Activation.
>> If cleaning data or making it more consistent thrills you (it is actually
>> the case for me) and you already have a large experience of it, please send
>> an email to the activation email (copied) to likely access future TM jobs
>> with large areas of data to validate, maybe related on two folds (road
>> network vs the rest).
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Severin
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Severin Menard <
>> severin.men...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> NIck and I made this wikipage about it:
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data
>>>
>>> I should actually update it a bit. In CAR for exemple, everytime a job
>>> and task validation is done (the latter may not be finished, depending on
>>> the motivation of mappers), I unpublish the job, download the whole area
>>> and make a first quick check to identify areas where tasks were not
>>> correctly done. If it took a long time to fix, I unvalidate these tasks and
>>> republish the job.
>>> Once everything is quite OK, I repeat the same process and
>>> - clean everything with the validator
>>> - add mssing objects
>>> - improve the data consistency (especially the road network)
>>> - improve the tag consistency (again, especially the road network,
>>> according to the agreed scheme)
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Severin
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Pierre Béland 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Like we started yesterday, we need various ways to validate the data.
>>>> Not only via the Task Manager. Yes, global validation are a good way to do
>>>> it. We started to do for roads. If you think of other ways to validate,
>>>> please do.
>>>>
>>>> I also asked previously for monitoring tools to better follow such huge
>>>> activations. After this activation, we should make an evaluation and assure
>>>> we develop appropriate tools to support such activations.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pierre
>>>>
>>>>   --
>>>>  *De :* Severin Menard 
>>>> *À :* "hot@openstreetmap.org" 
>>>> *Envoyé le :* Mardi 28 avril 2015 6h04
>>>> *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAGH!
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> We could also make slightly evolve the Tasking Manager and create an
>>>> "experienced mapper" privileges status who would be required to have access
>>>> to the validate/unvalidate steps and can promote any other mapper to this
>>>> status, because she/he knowsher/him and trust her/his skills. The rest of
>>>> the mappers (supposedly beginners) could map only the non validated task
>>>> (as they should supposedly do). Thoughts?
>>>>
>>&

Re: [HOT] TM Job to add GNS place names in Nepal

[Severin Menard]

Hi Stacy,

Well-noted!

On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Stacey Maples 
wrote:

> Severin,
>
> Some of us "not quite experienced enough yet" HOTTIES would be interested
> in seeing a summary of the workflows and issues encountered during this
> task, once it is done.
>
>
> Send from my phone. Please excuse brevity and typos.
>
>
> In F,L&T,
> Stace Maples
> Geospatial Manager
> Stanford Geospatial Center
> @mapninja
> staceymaples@G+
>
> Skype: stacey.maples
>
> 214.641.0920
>
> Get GeoHelp: https://gis.stanford.edu/
>
> "I have a map of the United States... actual size.
> It says, "Scale: 1 mile = 1 mile."
> I spent last summer folding it."
> -Steven Wright-
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Severin Menard 
> Date:04/30/2015 5:17 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: hot@openstreetmap.org
> Cc: activat...@hotosm.org
> Subject: Re: [HOT] TM Job to add GNS place names in Nepal
>
> Hi,
>
> Forgot to mention I will need the OSM username from the interested people
> to be able to add them in the job users.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Severin
>
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:24 AM, Severin Menard 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We just created a TM job <http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1019> to add
>> the place names from the Public License GNS (GEONet Names Server)
>> <http://earth-info.nga.mil/gns/html/namefiles.htm> data, in order to
>> facilitate the rescue operation in Nepal. As it is a job that requires a
>> strong OSM mapping experience, volunteers fitting with this can express
>> their will to join it by sending a message on the activation email
>> (copied).
>> Thanks again to everyone having joined this Activation and by advance for
>> the future contributions!
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Severin
>> <http://earth-info.nga.mil/gns/html/namefiles.htm>
>>
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Re: [HOT] TM Job to add GNS place names in Nepal

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

Forgot to mention I will need the OSM username from the interested people
to be able to add them in the job users.

Sincerely,

Severin

On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:24 AM, Severin Menard 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> We just created a TM job <http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1019> to add
> the place names from the Public License GNS (GEONet Names Server)
> <http://earth-info.nga.mil/gns/html/namefiles.htm> data, in order to
> facilitate the rescue operation in Nepal. As it is a job that requires a
> strong OSM mapping experience, volunteers fitting with this can express
> their will to join it by sending a message on the activation email
> (copied).
> Thanks again to everyone having joined this Activation and by advance for
> the future contributions!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Severin
> <http://earth-info.nga.mil/gns/html/namefiles.htm>
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[HOT] Nepal validation of edits: looking for a pool of "Über" Validators

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

Following this discussion, the Activation team feels that having an extra
step of validation than the one embedded in each TM job would be a great
asset to ensure a better quality and consistency for the OSM data produced
through the Activation.
If cleaning data or making it more consistent thrills you (it is actually
the case for me) and you already have a large experience of it, please send
an email to the activation email (copied) to likely access future TM jobs
with large areas of data to validate, maybe related on two folds (road
network vs the rest).

Sincerely,

Severin

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Severin Menard 
wrote:

> NIck and I made this wikipage about it:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data
>
> I should actually update it a bit. In CAR for exemple, everytime a job and
> task validation is done (the latter may not be finished, depending on the
> motivation of mappers), I unpublish the job, download the whole area and
> make a first quick check to identify areas where tasks were not correctly
> done. If it took a long time to fix, I unvalidate these tasks and republish
> the job.
> Once everything is quite OK, I repeat the same process and
> - clean everything with the validator
> - add mssing objects
> - improve the data consistency (especially the road network)
> - improve the tag consistency (again, especially the road network,
> according to the agreed scheme)
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Severin
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Pierre Béland  wrote:
>
>> Like we started yesterday, we need various ways to validate the data. Not
>> only via the Task Manager. Yes, global validation are a good way to do it.
>> We started to do for roads. If you think of other ways to validate, please
>> do.
>>
>> I also asked previously for monitoring tools to better follow such huge
>> activations. After this activation, we should make an evaluation and assure
>> we develop appropriate tools to support such activations.
>>
>>
>> Pierre
>>
>>   --
>>  *De :* Severin Menard 
>> *À :* "hot@openstreetmap.org" 
>> *Envoyé le :* Mardi 28 avril 2015 6h04
>> *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAGH!
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We could also make slightly evolve the Tasking Manager and create an
>> "experienced mapper" privileges status who would be required to have access
>> to the validate/unvalidate steps and can promote any other mapper to this
>> status, because she/he knowsher/him and trust her/his skills. The rest of
>> the mappers (supposedly beginners) could map only the non validated task
>> (as they should supposedly do). Thoughts?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Severin
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Chia-liang Kao  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Fellow mappers,
>>
>> Maintaining quality with large number of inexperienced mappers is a
>> critical issue.  However I think that open and inclusiveness is what makes
>> OSM and HOT great, and we should work on accommodating newbies with better
>> community support or technical improvement to make tools more fool-proof,
>> and figure out under what circumstance we wish to tell people to refrain
>> from contributing.
>>
>> Heather already started drafting training support.  When we circulate the
>> tasks to the public, we make sure there's localized tutorial and a link to
>> local community's group for newbies to find help.  People also wanted to
>> create screencast for specific tasks.
>>
>> As a lot of people get to know HOT/OSM for the first time during
>> disasters, it might be also helpful if we can draft an HOT FAQ (I actually
>> couldn't find one, please enlighten me if there's already one) for some
>> common critics, so people won't be scared away because they are to
>> participate in a project others criticize:
>>
>> - Are the maps actually being used?
>> - If this is used in critical mission, what happens when it's wrong or
>> incomplete?
>> - What's the point for tracing from pre-disaster imagery?
>>
>> Personally I am awkwardly glad that Naysayers outside our community
>> switched from "No one is going to use your stuff, you shouldn't do it" to
>> "People's life are at stake because the maps are in actual use, you
>> shouldn't do it".  But in any case we do need to tackle the issue seriously
>> to make HOT even more awesome.
>>
>> Best,
>> clkao
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 1:20 PM Pete Masters 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thi

[HOT] TM Job to add GNS place names in Nepal

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

We just created a TM job  to add the
place names from the Public License GNS (GEONet Names Server)
 data, in order to
facilitate the rescue operation in Nepal. As it is a job that requires a
strong OSM mapping experience, volunteers fitting with this can express
their will to join it by sending a message on the activation email
(copied).
Thanks again to everyone having joined this Activation and by advance for
the future contributions!

Sincerely,

Severin

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Re: [HOT] What does IDT mean?

[Severin Menard]

You mean IDP = Internally Displaced Persons?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internally_displaced_person

http://www.unhcr.org/pages/49c3646c146.html

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Charlotte Wolter 
wrote:

> Folks,
>
> You keep talking about them as if the whole world knows what they
> are. Nobody does. Please stop using acronyms or always define an acronym.
>
> Charlotte
>
>
> Charlotte Wolter
> 927 18th Street Suite A
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Re: [HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!

[Severin Menard]

Yes

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 12:15 PM, john whelan  wrote:

> On the wiki page it refers to *"JOSM Style 'HOT-OSM-Validation'"* does
> this refer to the HDM style?
>
> Thanks John
>
> On 28 April 2015 at 06:44, Severin Menard 
> wrote:
>
>> NIck and I made this wikipage about it:
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data
>>
>> I should actually update it a bit. In CAR for exemple, everytime a job
>> and task validation is done (the latter may not be finished, depending on
>> the motivation of mappers), I unpublish the job, download the whole area
>> and make a first quick check to identify areas where tasks were not
>> correctly done. If it took a long time to fix, I unvalidate these tasks and
>> republish the job.
>> Once everything is quite OK, I repeat the same process and
>> - clean everything with the validator
>> - add mssing objects
>> - improve the data consistency (especially the road network)
>> - improve the tag consistency (again, especially the road network,
>> according to the agreed scheme)
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Severin
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Pierre Béland 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Like we started yesterday, we need various ways to validate the data.
>>> Not only via the Task Manager. Yes, global validation are a good way to do
>>> it. We started to do for roads. If you think of other ways to validate,
>>> please do.
>>>
>>> I also asked previously for monitoring tools to better follow such huge
>>> activations. After this activation, we should make an evaluation and assure
>>> we develop appropriate tools to support such activations.
>>>
>>>
>>> Pierre
>>>
>>>   --
>>>  *De :* Severin Menard 
>>> *À :* "hot@openstreetmap.org" 
>>> *Envoyé le :* Mardi 28 avril 2015 6h04
>>> *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAGH!
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> We could also make slightly evolve the Tasking Manager and create an
>>> "experienced mapper" privileges status who would be required to have access
>>> to the validate/unvalidate steps and can promote any other mapper to this
>>> status, because she/he knowsher/him and trust her/his skills. The rest of
>>> the mappers (supposedly beginners) could map only the non validated task
>>> (as they should supposedly do). Thoughts?
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Severin
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Chia-liang Kao  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Fellow mappers,
>>>
>>> Maintaining quality with large number of inexperienced mappers is a
>>> critical issue.  However I think that open and inclusiveness is what makes
>>> OSM and HOT great, and we should work on accommodating newbies with better
>>> community support or technical improvement to make tools more fool-proof,
>>> and figure out under what circumstance we wish to tell people to refrain
>>> from contributing.
>>>
>>> Heather already started drafting training support.  When we circulate
>>> the tasks to the public, we make sure there's localized tutorial and a link
>>> to local community's group for newbies to find help.  People also wanted to
>>> create screencast for specific tasks.
>>>
>>> As a lot of people get to know HOT/OSM for the first time during
>>> disasters, it might be also helpful if we can draft an HOT FAQ (I actually
>>> couldn't find one, please enlighten me if there's already one) for some
>>> common critics, so people won't be scared away because they are to
>>> participate in a project others criticize:
>>>
>>> - Are the maps actually being used?
>>> - If this is used in critical mission, what happens when it's wrong or
>>> incomplete?
>>> - What's the point for tracing from pre-disaster imagery?
>>>
>>> Personally I am awkwardly glad that Naysayers outside our community
>>> switched from "No one is going to use your stuff, you shouldn't do it" to
>>> "People's life are at stake because the maps are in actual use, you
>>> shouldn't do it".  But in any case we do need to tackle the issue seriously
>>> to make HOT even more awesome.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> clkao
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 1:20 PM Pete Masters 
>>> wrote:
>

Re: [HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!

[Severin Menard]

NIck and I made this wikipage about it:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data

I should actually update it a bit. In CAR for exemple, everytime a job and
task validation is done (the latter may not be finished, depending on the
motivation of mappers), I unpublish the job, download the whole area and
make a first quick check to identify areas where tasks were not correctly
done. If it took a long time to fix, I unvalidate these tasks and republish
the job.
Once everything is quite OK, I repeat the same process and
- clean everything with the validator
- add mssing objects
- improve the data consistency (especially the road network)
- improve the tag consistency (again, especially the road network,
according to the agreed scheme)

Sincerely,

Severin

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Pierre Béland  wrote:

> Like we started yesterday, we need various ways to validate the data. Not
> only via the Task Manager. Yes, global validation are a good way to do it.
> We started to do for roads. If you think of other ways to validate, please
> do.
>
> I also asked previously for monitoring tools to better follow such huge
> activations. After this activation, we should make an evaluation and assure
> we develop appropriate tools to support such activations.
>
>
> Pierre
>
>   ----------
>  *De :* Severin Menard 
> *À :* "hot@openstreetmap.org" 
> *Envoyé le :* Mardi 28 avril 2015 6h04
> *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAGH!
>
> Hi,
>
> We could also make slightly evolve the Tasking Manager and create an
> "experienced mapper" privileges status who would be required to have access
> to the validate/unvalidate steps and can promote any other mapper to this
> status, because she/he knowsher/him and trust her/his skills. The rest of
> the mappers (supposedly beginners) could map only the non validated task
> (as they should supposedly do). Thoughts?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Severin
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Chia-liang Kao  wrote:
>
>
>
> Fellow mappers,
>
> Maintaining quality with large number of inexperienced mappers is a
> critical issue.  However I think that open and inclusiveness is what makes
> OSM and HOT great, and we should work on accommodating newbies with better
> community support or technical improvement to make tools more fool-proof,
> and figure out under what circumstance we wish to tell people to refrain
> from contributing.
>
> Heather already started drafting training support.  When we circulate the
> tasks to the public, we make sure there's localized tutorial and a link to
> local community's group for newbies to find help.  People also wanted to
> create screencast for specific tasks.
>
> As a lot of people get to know HOT/OSM for the first time during
> disasters, it might be also helpful if we can draft an HOT FAQ (I actually
> couldn't find one, please enlighten me if there's already one) for some
> common critics, so people won't be scared away because they are to
> participate in a project others criticize:
>
> - Are the maps actually being used?
> - If this is used in critical mission, what happens when it's wrong or
> incomplete?
> - What's the point for tracing from pre-disaster imagery?
>
> Personally I am awkwardly glad that Naysayers outside our community
> switched from "No one is going to use your stuff, you shouldn't do it" to
> "People's life are at stake because the maps are in actual use, you
> shouldn't do it".  But in any case we do need to tackle the issue seriously
> to make HOT even more awesome.
>
> Best,
> clkao
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 1:20 PM Pete Masters 
> wrote:
>
> This is one of the main things I want to discuss with people at the HOT
> Summit this week and a central issue for Missing Maps. If it is of interest
> to any of you, please find me in DC or drop me a line...
>
> Pete
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 5:33 AM, Heather Leson 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks everyone. Pierre, your story about new people improving is great. I
> know many of us started during an emergency.
>
> For our dear friend and fellow mapper, Ralph. Thank you. I know I was firm
> last night, but waking this morning (Doha) I really think you are right
> that we need to improve new mapper onboarding during emergencies. So, I
> started another email chain about training help.
>
> Step by step,
>
> heather
>
> Heather Leson
> heatherle...@gmail.com
> Twitter: HeatherLeson
> Blog: textontechs.com
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 2:37 AM, Pierre Béland  wrote:
>
> Andrew
>
> This remembers such experiences for the Ebola outbreak. With a long
> Activa

Re: [HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

We could also make slightly evolve the Tasking Manager and create an
"experienced mapper" privileges status who would be required to have access
to the validate/unvalidate steps and can promote any other mapper to this
status, because she/he knowsher/him and trust her/his skills. The rest of
the mappers (supposedly beginners) could map only the non validated task
(as they should supposedly do). Thoughts?

Sincerely,

Severin

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Chia-liang Kao  wrote:

> Fellow mappers,
>
> Maintaining quality with large number of inexperienced mappers is a
> critical issue.  However I think that open and inclusiveness is what makes
> OSM and HOT great, and we should work on accommodating newbies with better
> community support or technical improvement to make tools more fool-proof,
> and figure out under what circumstance we wish to tell people to refrain
> from contributing.
>
> Heather already started drafting training support.  When we circulate the
> tasks to the public, we make sure there's localized tutorial and a link to
> local community's group for newbies to find help.  People also wanted to
> create screencast for specific tasks.
>
> As a lot of people get to know HOT/OSM for the first time during
> disasters, it might be also helpful if we can draft an HOT FAQ (I actually
> couldn't find one, please enlighten me if there's already one) for some
> common critics, so people won't be scared away because they are to
> participate in a project others criticize:
>
> - Are the maps actually being used?
> - If this is used in critical mission, what happens when it's wrong or
> incomplete?
> - What's the point for tracing from pre-disaster imagery?
>
> Personally I am awkwardly glad that Naysayers outside our community
> switched from "No one is going to use your stuff, you shouldn't do it" to
> "People's life are at stake because the maps are in actual use, you
> shouldn't do it".  But in any case we do need to tackle the issue seriously
> to make HOT even more awesome.
>
> Best,
> clkao
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 1:20 PM Pete Masters 
> wrote:
>
>> This is one of the main things I want to discuss with people at the HOT
>> Summit this week and a central issue for Missing Maps. If it is of interest
>> to any of you, please find me in DC or drop me a line...
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 5:33 AM, Heather Leson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks everyone. Pierre, your story about new people improving is great.
>>> I know many of us started during an emergency.
>>>
>>> For our dear friend and fellow mapper, Ralph. Thank you. I know I was
>>> firm last night, but waking this morning (Doha) I really think you are
>>> right that we need to improve new mapper onboarding during emergencies. So,
>>> I started another email chain about training help.
>>>
>>> Step by step,
>>>
>>> heather
>>>
>>> Heather Leson
>>> heatherle...@gmail.com
>>> Twitter: HeatherLeson
>>> Blog: textontechs.com
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 2:37 AM, Pierre Béland 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Andrew

 This remembers such experiences for the Ebola outbreak. With a long
 Activation, we saw contributors that did improve rapidly and did a great
 job. They were in the top list of contributors.

 This is social gathering, and we have to take care to accompany well
 the new contributors.

 I did make some comments over the last year about improvements to make
 to our monitoring tools. We should surely continue to look at this and
 assure we have the possibility to both keep our reactivity and produce
 quality mapping.

 regard


 Pierre

   --
  *De :* Andrew Buck 
 *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org
 *Envoyé le :* Lundi 27 avril 2015 19h21
 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAGH!

 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 I understand the frustration.  Some times the newbies do very bad, but
 some produce very good data as well.  One thing that we can also do is
 load large sections of the country in JOSM with the 'mirrored
 download' plugin.  You can then scan over a large area and just check
 the roads for major problems like you mention.  Even just a few people
 doing this every now and then makes a huge difference.

 Remember, the tasking manager is not the only way we have to map.
 Experienced people can work on their own, as long as they are mindful
 of what they are doing and try a bit to avoid causing conflicts for
 other mappers.

 - -AndrewBuck


 On 04/27/2015 10:25 AM, AYTOUN RALPH wrote:
 > If I don't scream I will end up tearing my hair out. We need to
 > change what we are doing and who we are letting in to do it. These
 > Activations in response to a disaster means that people's lives
 > are at stake here. I am finding totally inexperienced mappers (some
 > with no completed tiles and others

Re: [HOT] 7.9 earthquake in Nepal

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

I would suggest to put at least a fixme on the place tag to identify the
missing residential areas to map them during next steps. And add also a
place tag if there is none, of course.

Sincerely,

Severin

On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Stéphane Henriod  wrote:

> Hi Pierre
>
> the tasks mention we should focus on roads, which seems fair. But what
> about at least delineating the "residential" areas? I assume that knowing
> where people live, even roughly, will be a great help for the response too.
> Or have you received explicit information that this is not needed (because
> already well known somewhere else or whatever).
>
> Thanks a lot on advance
>
> Stephane
>
> --
> "Le mot progrès n'aura aucun sens tant qu'il y aura des enfants
> malheureux" -- Albert Einstein
>
> "Si les contacts avec les étrangers lui étaient permis, [le citoyen
> ordinaire] découvrirait que ce sont des créatures semblables à lui-même et
> que la plus grande partie de ce qu'on lui a raconté d'eux est fausse. Le
> monde fermé, scellé, dans lequel il vit, serait brisé, et la crainte, la
> haine, la certitude de son bon droit, desquelles dépend sa morale,
> pourraient disparaître" -- George Orwell ("1984")
>
> “When you travel, remember that a foreign country is not designed to make
> you comfortable. It is designed to make its own people comfortable." --
> Clifton Fadiman
>
> Photos de voyages, photos de montagne: http://www.henriod.info
>
> 2015-04-26 18:00 GMT+02:00 Stéphane Henriod :
>
>> Hi Pierre
>>
>> the tasks mention we should focus on roads, which seems fair. But what
>> about at least delineating the "residential" areas? I assume that knowing
>> where people live, even roughly, will be a great help for the response too.
>> Or have you received explicit information that this is not needed (because
>> already well known somewhere else or whatever).
>>
>> Thanks a lot on advance
>>
>> Stephane
>>
>>
>> --
>> "Le mot progrès n'aura aucun sens tant qu'il y aura des enfants
>> malheureux" -- Albert Einstein
>>
>> "Si les contacts avec les étrangers lui étaient permis, [le citoyen
>> ordinaire] découvrirait que ce sont des créatures semblables à lui-même et
>> que la plus grande partie de ce qu'on lui a raconté d'eux est fausse. Le
>> monde fermé, scellé, dans lequel il vit, serait brisé, et la crainte, la
>> haine, la certitude de son bon droit, desquelles dépend sa morale,
>> pourraient disparaître" -- George Orwell ("1984")
>>
>> “When you travel, remember that a foreign country is not designed to make
>> you comfortable. It is designed to make its own people comfortable." --
>> Clifton Fadiman
>>
>> Photos de voyages, photos de montagne: http://www.henriod.info
>>
>> 2015-04-25 15:09 GMT+02:00 Pierre Béland :
>>
>>> Maning please contact and ask him to contact me individually. We need
>>> infos to coordinate.
>>>
>>> First task is ready.
>>> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/994
>>> I give instructions to avoid to trace every paths in the fields. This
>>> make more difficult to read maps. Other activators, please do not hesitate
>>> to edit and complete the job instructions.
>>>
>>> regard
>>>
>>> Pierre
>>>
>>>   --
>>>  *De :* maning sambale 
>>> *À :* Pierre Béland 
>>> *Cc :* HOT ; Harry Wood 
>>> *Envoyé le :* Samedi 25 avril 2015 8h59
>>> *Objet :* Re: [HOT] 7.9 earthquake in Nepal
>>>
>>> From Facebook, I saw one member of kathmandu labs saying they are ok.
>>> cheers,
>>> Maning Sambale (mobile)
>>> On Apr 25, 2015 8:20 PM, "Pierre Béland"  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not succeeded yet to contact Katmandu lab folks.
>>>
>>> We plan to concentrate on roads. No priority established yet as the
>>> areas to cover. I will prepare first a task for the area north of Kathmandu
>>> in the mountains.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pierre
>>>
>>>   --
>>>  *De :* Harry Wood 
>>> *À :* "HOT@OSM (Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team)" 
>>>
>>> *Envoyé le :* Samedi 25 avril 2015 8h00
>>> *Objet :* Re: [HOT] 7.9 earthquake in Nepal
>>>
>>> Wiki page for this earthquake:
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2015_Nepal_earthquake
>>>
>>> Let's hope our friends a the Kathmandu Living Labs are all safe today.
>>>
>>> Because the community is strong in Nepal (and particularly Kathmandu),
>>> the map is already pretty good. Let's hope aid agencies will found out
>>> about our maps and find them useful.
>>>
>>> We should be wary of unleashing task manager jobs on the area. We must
>>> particularly try to avoid the mess created by people getting carried away
>>> with landuse but in silly square shapes (don't do this!)
>>>
>>> But there's some work to do. I see a few settlements and their
>>> connecting roads in the river valleys to the northwest of Kathmandu, where
>>> we could improve the map remotely a bit.
>>>
>>> See the above wiki page where we can post more coordination info
>>>
>>>
>>> Harry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>  *From:* Arun Ganesh 
>>> *To:* Pierre Béland 
>>> 

Re: [HOT] Activation Need: Imagery Gap Analysis

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

I had created a specific TM job to do this in South Sudan with my fellow
teammates Althio and Blake. I do it for Nepal.

Sincerely,

Severin

On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Mikel Maron  wrote:

> Arch, Thanks for reporting imagery gaps.
>
> All, we need someone to analyse and collect gaps in imagery, in this uMap,
> in order to structure a request to imagery-coord.
>
>
> http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/2015-nepal-earthquake-contributions-via-the-task-m_37675#9/27.6531/85.9982
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HOT_activation#Imagery_Coordination
>
> If you can help, get in touch with me or any of the other coordinators.
>
> THANK YOU!
> Mikel
>
> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>
>
>
>   On Sunday, April 26, 2015 3:34 AM, "arch_a...@t-online.de" <
> arch_a...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello Pierre,
>
> please mention in task #1002 that Bing/Mapbox imagery has huge distortions
> in the area around Manaslu Himal. The best way of mapping in this area is
> to use a mixture of Bing, Mapbox and Landsat imagery, GPS traces and to use
> SRTM data to check if riverbanks fit the topography.
>
> Here is a example of the mentioned distortions:
> http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/#16/28.3297/84.9075&num=4&mt0=mapnik&mt1=bing-map&mt2=bing-satellite&mt3=google-satellite
>
> Thanks, Arch
>
>
>
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Re: [HOT] Advice needed: field mapping in Central African Republic

[Severin Menard]

Hi Pete,

I agree with both Thomas and Michael's usggestions regarding
amenity=place_of_worship and amenity=townhall

On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Michael Heißmeier <
michae...@digital-filestore.de> wrote:

>  Hello Pete,
>
>  Some important landmarks in Bangassou are the catholic missions (of
> which there are at least two), prayer houses (of which there are many)
> and chief's houses (one for every quartier / village etc). Prayer
> houses are not churches and cannot be tagged as such as they fulfill
> very different roles, socially and culturally. However, they also are
> heavily used by local people to navigate the town / villages. Does
> anyone have any idea (or previous experience) of how these might be
> best tagged?
>
>
> As Thomas already pointed out in his answer you might consider using
> amenity=place_of_worship as this is not exclusively reserved for churches.
> The OSM wiki has this paragraph concerning that key
>
> If the place of religious services is located in a *part of a
> multi-purpose building*, then the tag amenity
> =*place_of_worship*
> should be placed on a node or area, inside the building outline. Examples
> are prayer rooms in public buildings or rooms rented for religious purposes
> in commercial buildings.
>
> If the prayer house serves more like a cultural or social centre, using
> amenity=community_centre sounds like a viable alternative.
>
>  Also, the chief's houses are definitely landmarks, but also are
> important places socially (kind of like a local administration
> office). However, they are also private residences. Many have a sign
> outside with the name of the chief and the quartier etc, but many do
> not. How can this be handled? Is it a consent issue with the chiefs?
>
>
> I am tempted to suggest using amenity=townhall. Reading the wiki:
>
> Use this for a village, town or city *townhall*, a building where the
> administration of a village, town or city may be located, or it may just
> serve as a community meeting place .
>
> A townhall is not necessarily used (or having ever been used) for
> administrative function. The tag is also used for a "village hall",
> commonly in UK villages, and used for community events such as fundraising
> and Discos.
>
>
> Apparently, the administrative function is not a requirement for this tag.
>
>  Secondly, admin divisions...
>
> We are very close to having shapes for the the quartiers in Bangassou
> town. I know that the tag admin_level should be used, but how do I
> discern the level? The admin flow goes:
>
> Country
> Prefecture
> Sub-prefecture
> Town/village
> Arrondisement (only in the town itself - not in villages)
> Quartier
>
>
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dadministrative proposes
> admin_level=10 for a quartier in CAR
>
>
> I was just browsing the wiki, but have no prior experience concerning
> these topics. Hope this helps nevertheless.
>
> Best Regards
>
>
> *Michael (osm:michael63) *
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Re: [HOT] Mapping IDP camps in Maguindanao, Philippines

[Severin Menard]

HI Maning,

I did http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/969#task/15 but did not figure out
the paths in the NW to reach the dwellings there, I guess it must be under
the vegetation cover?

Severin

On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 9:15 AM, maning sambale 
wrote:

> Dear john,
>
> Thank you very much for working on this job.  For an example of what I
> think is complete, see my work on this task:
> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/969#task/80
>
> I agree that this is a very difficult task and, as you suggested, this
> task might be best suited to focus just on roads and residential
> areas. I will talk to ARMM-Heart this week to refine what data they
> need and will revise the
> instructions accordingly.  You are definitely correct that this task
> is best suited for local PH-based mappers and, upon looking at the
> changeset comment [0], majority of the mappers were PH based or at
> least mapping the PH (this includes a few of the people we trained
> when I went there to assist the IDP mapping request last week).
>
> I foresee this as longer term response (not very urgent, but equally
> important). I will probably be back (as a volunteer) on the field to
> help the local responders but as I've said previously, security is a
> concern so we map as much as we can remotely and integrate ground
> validation to other humanitarian work.  Thanks again and your
> contribution is very much appreciated.
>
>
> [0]
> http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-changesets?comment=ARMM#11/6.9949/124.3810
>
> On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 11:35 PM, john whelan 
> wrote:
> > Given the resources available I think it would be better to reduce the
> scope
> > and first map major roads and say settlements of more than five houses.
> If
> > I look at what has been mapped a lot of individual buildings have been
> > mapped which is good but in the same time far more buildings could have
> been
> > mapped in settlements.
> >
> > Currently I'm mapping another two projects both at 90+%, one one I'm
> > practically the only mapper left and and the other a high priority one
> the
> > number of active mappers completing tiles has dropped off considerably
> > recently.
> >
> > So basically the concern if you like is this project is quite difficult
> to
> > map all the attributes asked for, a sample tile would be useful.  To be
> > honest unless it says on the roof in large friendly letters what it is it
> > could be a barn, warehouse, school, public building or place of
> worship.  So
> > you can map a tile for roads, settlements and large buildings that look
> > interesting but you can't really tick the box to say its done and
> sometimes
> > box ticking helps the motivation.  The Philippines might be the place to
> > look for mappers who are motivated and know something about the area.
> >
> > Cheerio John
> >
> > On 4 April 2015 at 10:31, Pierre Béland  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi John
> >>
> >> Yes, this is important to zoom in enough. This is a tropical country and
> >> there is dense vegetation that sometimes partly obscure the buildings.
> In
> >> comparizon, it is easier then to map for the Vanuatu islands where the
> >> vegetation is ever more dense.
> >>
> >> For these emergencies, the humanitarian organizations need a minimum of
> >> information for their logistic of operation.  For this task,
> instructions
> >> are to trace outbound of the residential areas and the major buildings
> plus
> >> the highways.
> >>
> >> Looking at a task that you validated previously, I see that the Bing
> >> imagery is clear enough to trace the highways and the outline around the
> >> residential areas. http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/969#task/55
> >>
> >> Humanitarians plan to use an offline OSMand map to navigate. Maning is
> in
> >> the field interfacing with these organizations. He also added to the
> >> instruction panel links to Mapillary video. This help us to understand
> the
> >> context.
> >>
> >>
> >> Pierre
> >>
> >> 
> >> De : john whelan 
> >> À : maning sambale 
> >> Cc : HOT 
> >> Envoyé le : Samedi 4 avril 2015 9h24
> >> Objet : Re: [HOT] Mapping IDP camps in Maguindanao, Philippines
> >>
> >> I've had a quick look, the houses are often low density and there are
> lots
> >> of them which makes mapping a cluster awkward, it also means that
> marking a
> >> tile done is difficult if any buildings are not mapped.  The tracks /
> roads
> >> can be difficult to pick out which again makes marking the tile done not
> >> easy.  Some clusters of housing don't appear to have any roads leading
> up to
> >> them but there is a lot of water around so I assume that is the method
> of
> >> transport.  Anyway I've quickly marked a few large landuse=residential
> on a
> >> few tiles so I hope that is of some use.  Realistically you need a lot
> more
> >> mappers from somewhere, much of the imagery is good but you need to
> zoom in.
> >> Can you tap the locals in some way?  Especially for the requirement
> about
> >> picking out places of worships, sch

Re: [HOT] Borno roads mapping and settlement import. Experienced mappers needed.

[Severin Menard]

Hello Rafael,

I would suggest you to put the info and links about good examples of
achieved tasks in the job instructions.

Sincerely,

Severin

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Rafael Avila Coya 
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> Hi list:
>
> As part of the NE Nigeria crisis, and after discussion with the
> talk-ng, the imports list and this hot list, I've published the TM
> project for the manual import of 4,500+ settlements covering a big
> deal of Borno State [1]. The goal of this TM project is not only to
> import those settlements, but also to improve the road coverage for
> that state, mapping the road access to all those settlements, hence
> improving the base map of that state.
>
> The TM project is accessible to all, but we would ask for experienced
> mappers to join.
>
> All instructions are in the workflow wiki [2], this time enhanced with
> a quick reference, so you don't have to go through all the wiki
> everytime you need to recall some points of the workflow.
>
> I did some tasks already. You can get some further inspiration on road
> tracing and classification from some of those tasks. I would recommend
> you http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/937#task/11 for the mountainous
> Southern Borno, with seasonal rivers all around, and
> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/937#task/74 for the Northern barren
> and semidesertic Borno (you may of course disagree on that mapping! ;) ).
>
> In case you find possible improvements to the wiki, please tell us so.
>
> Cheers, and happy mapping,
>
> Rafael.
>
> [1] http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/937
> [2]
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_Borno_eHealth_Africa_Smaller_Settlements_Workflow
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[HOT] Issue with the HOT Export shapefiles and ArcGIS

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

Am I the only one experiencing a projection issue in ArcGIS with the
shapefiles made by the HOT Exports? The (deprecated) EPSG:3785 is not
recognized by ArcGIS (but is by QGIS), therefore the shapefiles are not
projected. I do not use ArcGIS but I expect a huge majority of GIS officers
in humanitarian organization rely on it, so this issue is really a "killer
costumer". The tip I found is to display the shapefile first in QGIS then
save it in any other CRS (Coordinate Reference System), but it is obviously
satisfying for the (many) people with ArcGIS only. I think EPSG:3785 should
be changed by EPSG:3857 anyway if we continue to rely on this projection
for GIS files. GReat it is tagged as a "must" (fix). Who would be
interested to dig in? I can provide the information text for any techy not
completely familiar with CRS, if needed.

Sincerely,

Severin
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[HOT] Reminder: Weekly Activation Working Group

[Severin Menard]

Hi all,

The Activation Working Group Weekly meeting will occur in about 35 minutes,
2PM UTC.

There is also a possibility to alternate with another time slot, eg
alternating every week, to allow people for whom the current time is too
early or too late to participate. We decided the best way to figure out if
it would interest people and what time would then fit the most, here is a
Doodle  to evaluate it. So far 4 people
filled it. You should see the time zone on the far right and you need to
double check it is your time zone.

Does someone know a good tool that would not be Google based to send
reminders to the list for the WG meetings?

Sincerely,

Severin
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Re: [HOT] Mapping Logging Roads in the Congo Basin

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

Would be happy to join the discussion (Mumble or IRC).

Sincerely,

Severin

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 1:21 AM, Rafael Avila Coya 
wrote:

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> Hi, Claire and Jorieke:
>
> As skype can be problematic for Claire, maybe we can talk in hot irc?
>
> Maybe 20:00 UTC today March 31st ( http://is.gd/wriforestry )? Or next
> day?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rafael.
>
> On 29/03/15 23:15, Claire Halleux wrote:
> > Hi Rafael and Jorieke,
> >
> > Yes indeed and I came back to DRC a few days ago. Skype is still a
> > bit complicated on my side but I'm sure we can find a way to plan a
> > talk on the subject. After you last mail I had also checked the DRC
> > task and realized it had already been completed! I validated a
> > first tile but my connection was too slow to be really efficient so
> > I did not continue, but it seems that the work has been well done!
> > Thanks a lot for supporting this project that had been in the air
> > for quite some time,
> >
> > Claire
> >
> > Claire Halleux Volunteer and Member of the Board +243 99 256 9980
> > (Kinshasa, DRC) Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
> >
> > http://www.hotosm.org/
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2014_DRC_Ebola_Response
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 9:37 PM, Jorieke Vyncke
> > mailto:jorieke.vyn...@gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hey Rafael,
> >
> > Maybe, we should just do a skype on this. Will be easier to talk!
> >
> > Best, Jorieke
> >
> >
> > 2015-03-26 14:17 GMT, Rafael Avila Coya  > >:
> >> Hi, Jorieke:
> >>
> >> I started the import discussion sending emails to the DRC, CAR
> >> and Cameroon lists, but unfortunately I didn't received any
> >> answer.
> >>
> >> I did received an interesting email from yours about this last
> > 10th Feb,
> >> telling about the CAR WRI import [1] and about the Cameroon
> >> community and state of the map for that country.
> >>
> >> For the CAR WRI: I used that import data to help extensively in
> > mapping
> >> roads all over the country while importing UNICEF data, although
> >> I didn't actually work in any task. I was very focused on the
> >> UNICEF
> > data
> >> and would have to contact Séverin prior to work with that WRI
> > import, so
> >> I left it until the 3 TM UNICEF projects were finished.
> >>
> >> In any case, this WRI data import is focused only in forest
> > tracks, not
> >> roads in general. Therefore, it covers only the South West of
> > Centrafrique.
> >>
> >> In any case, I will be happy to volunteer on that old WRI import
> >> if needed, but bear in mind that there is a new and very
> >> interesting job for road mapping/checking for CAR opened recently
> >> by Séverin [2],
> > based
> >> on public domain data from Groads (there is another one for Mali
> > too [3]).
> >>
> >> As for the Congo's communities: I would love to contact them,
> >> and collaborate/contribute in any way I can. I didn't know about
> >> the
> > Rep. of
> >> Congo community, but I did receive an email from Claire on 26th
> > Feb from
> >> Iraq, telling she would be back to DRC in a month or so and
> >> suggesting to talk about this when she is back.
> >>
> >> For Cameroon the data is quite big (around 8,500 ways), so I was
> >> thinking on splitting the import in 3, in order not to overload
> > the data
> >> server. If you are willing, you may check the data [4] and we
> >> can
> > decide
> >> how to better set the jobs.
> >>
> >> Please, tell me in what ways I can be of any help.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Rafael.
> >>
> >> [1] http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/219 [2]
> >> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/783 [3]
> >> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/813 [4]
> >>
> >
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ys58zv40yfr0um3/CMR_Forestry_roadsFINAL.osm?dl=0
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 25/03/15 22:47, Jorieke Vyncke wrote:
> >>> Hi James,
> >>>
> >>> Thanks a lot for the initiative!
> >>>
> >>> For the two Congo's it might be usefull to still try to reach
> >>> out a little more to the local communities. Because I know in
> >>> both
> > countries,
> >>> we have OSM enthusiasts.
> >>>
> >>> By the way, are we talking about the same data?
> >>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Central_Africa_Import Then
> >>> you should also have a look on the Task we created for CAR:
> >>> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/219 It is partially done.
> >>>
> >>> Happy mapping!
> >>>
> >>> Jorieke
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2015-03-25 16:08 GMT+00:00 James Conkling
> >  > 
> >>>  > >>:
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I’m pleased to announce the launch of a long-term initiative
> >>> to upload logging road data from across the Congo Basin.  We
> > currently
> >>> have three TM projects running:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> Democratic Republic of the Congo:
> >>> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/920
> >>>
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> Central African Republic: http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/95

Re: [HOT] Malawi Flood TM job #847

[Severin Menard]

Hi Ray,

Sorry I had missed your email.
Interesting it can be made in iD, seems it cannot in JOSM. My concern is to
keep both the attributes and the history of the object, but sure it is
better to replace buildings as nodes by buildings as closedways.

On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 12:35 AM, Ray Kiddy  wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 19:08:17 +0100
> Severin Menard  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
>  
> > * WARNING:* sometimes the buildings have been created as a node.
> > Please do not delete them as they generally encompass a lot of
> > attributes from the field survey done in August-September 2014.
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> >
> > Severin
>
> It is fairly easy, in iD, to create a shape for a building and merge
> data from a node at the same location and delete the node.
>
> Is there a reason you actually want the node? Or are you just worried
> about the data being lost by mappers not doing the right thing?
>
> - ray
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[HOT] Weekly Activation Working Group

[Severin Menard]

Hi all,

So yes, we decided during the last monthly AWG meeting to move ahead and to
test having a weekly meeting, moreover because we have much in our plate to
prepare the future HOT Activation Summit, especially brainstorming about
what we want to document and in which kind of materials.

What we did not plan is what happened to Vanuatu last week, and of course
it will be a good opportunity to make an assessment of the first days of
the activation with the first TM jobs are almost over, including the one
focusing on tracing buildings.

We also discussed about having two different time slots, eg alternating
every week, to allow people for whom the current time is too early or too
late to participate. We decided the best way to figure out if it would
interest people and what time would then fit the most, here is a Doodle
 to evaluate it. You should see the
time zone on the far right and you need to double check it is your time
zone.

Sincerely,

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Re: [HOT] Vanuata Islands, Pam Cyclone

[Severin Menard]

Hi Rafael,

Are your pictures geotagged or can they be it you have traces? We could set
a georss with them. I would document how to do it with Flickr and uMap.

Sincerely,

Severin

On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Rafael Avila Coya 
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> Hi, Pierre:
>
> Sad news. I travelled in several of those islands for a month in 2010,
> and have quite many photos of roads, that could be of help on setting
> surface and smoothness. Also photos of typical settlements along the
> way. I wonder if that could help on the mapping.
>
> What you say about unconnected villages is quite typical in Vanuatu,
> specially in the small islands.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rafael.
>
> On 14/03/15 19:39, Pierre Béland wrote:
> > The communications are cut with the Vunuatu Archipel. From the
> > information I gathered, I prepared a task wihth the islands that
> > seems more severely hit.
> >
> > I invite you to map these rapidly as Red Cross and other prepare
> > to deploy. We will creat other tasks if necessary when more
> > information is available.
> >
> > We want to mark roads, residential areas, possible shelters,
> > helicopter landing, communication towers.
> >
> > See http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/943
> >
> >
> > Pierre
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> *De :* Pierre Béland 
> > *À :* Pierre Béland ; HOT Openstreetmap
> >  *Envoyé le :* Samedi 14 mars 2015 13h40
> > *Objet :* Re: [HOT] Vanuata Islands, Pam Cyclone
> >
> > This is a category 5 Cyclone, the highest category and many deaths
> > reported.
> >
> > ReliefWeb map, March 13, shows that the Islands south of Port Vila
> > should have been the more affected.
> >
> http://www.static.reliefweb.int/map/vanuatu/vanuatu-tropical-cyclone-pam-13-march-2015
> >
> >
> I see two islands of about 30 km x 30 km and smaller islands.
> >
> > A mix of Bing and MapBox imagery can be used since cloudy imagery
> > in various areas.
> >
> > Pierre
> >
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Re: [HOT] West African HOT Mapping Tips

[Severin Menard]

Hi Blake,

This is a great tuto, would it be possible to share the original pics for
translations?
I have started making short screenvideos for some mapping processes. Are
they are mute, they do not require translation (but bandwith). But
obviously they cannot give a general overview as a before/after does.

Sincerely,

Severin

On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Blake Girardot 
wrote:

>
> Hi John,
>
> We have talked about making them more widely available and we do include
> them in some of the W. Africa instructions or pass them out to mappers
> individually, sometimes as part of validation feedback.
>
> I have a short list of revisions is partly why I have not moved them out
> from my personal page yet in the wiki and called them "done"
>
> As to the huts: It can go either way, but it is my understanding we
> usually try and map the building footprints as it provides just a little
> bit more data, approximate size and can help when working physically on
> ground for orienting yourself a little better than just a point on a map.
>
> But it is up to the project manager to determine what data they need v.
> how fast it can be generated. In one circumstance just getting a building
> count and structures represented on the map quickly could be a lot more
> important than whatever else we gain by an actual building footprint.
>
> And sometimes the circumstances of mapping affecting things. If you are
> working in the field on a smart phone collecting building locations off
> line and entering data for each building, outlines would be impossible.
>
> As to drawing the huts quickly, you might already know these things in
> JOSM, but just in case:
>
> When you copy/paste, where you hold the cursor will be the center of the
> pasted object. So hold your mouse pointer directly in the center of the hut
> to paste.
>
> Then with the newly pasted building selected, hold control-alt keys down
> and you can resize the object you just pasted based on the center of the
> pasted object. That lets you quickly get the pasted hut the correct size.
>
> Cheers,
> Blake
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 3/14/2015 12:35 PM, john whelan wrote:
>
>> Could the link
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot/West_
>> African_HOT_Mapping_Tips
>> be added to the instructions of all HOT West African projects?
>>
>> I wasn't aware of it before the post on Surface mines characteristics
>> and it clarified a couple of things for me.  It's certainly useful when
>> validating to have a reference to point enthusiastic mappers to.
>>
>> If possible could an image showing two or three small settlements of say
>> three or four huts joined together with what I would normally think of
>> as footpaths to show how these should be mapped and the connecting
>> highways tagged.  I've noticed some variation between the mappers when
>> validating.
>>
>> Could we also have a guideline on huts?  I've seen them mapped as a
>> single point and as a circle.  In JOSM its very quick to copy and paste
>> a hut but that does mean slight variations in size are not mapped
>> correctly.
>>
>> The other issue would be isolated buildings, I tend to map the building
>> rather than tag it landuse=residential again a guideline would be useful.
>>
>> Rather than overwhelm the mapper with the idea that everything
>> guidelined needs to be mapped I suggest somewhere it says perhaps in the
>> instructions "For this project please map the roads and settlements
>> according to the guidelines here:
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot/West_
>> African_HOT_Mapping_Tips"
>>
>> Thanks John
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Re: [HOT] Let's make the most of this

[Severin Menard]

Hi Joseph,

I did plan to present my views as a candidate for the board and I did it,
and I am sure everyone else has been working on this. The extension allows
us to strengthen our texts. Publishing early is your own decision and is
not a rule and I do not see the benefit to stigmatize other candidates.
Please keep in mind you had the chance to write your views in your native
language, what is not the case for any of us.

Sincerely,

Severin

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Joseph Reeves 
wrote:

> *tl;dr *People are always asking for more of a say in HOT. Let's do that
> now!
>
> Dear all,
>
> The proposed (accepted?) extension to the nomination process has taken
> most of us by surprise. Let's use it as an opportunity.
>
> The original nomination deadline is due to close in less than an hour.
> With this extended we have some possibilities. Most obviously, Severin,
> Nicolas, Jaakko & Pierre, will you be able to write a proposal for your
> Board election before the new deadline? Reading why someone else thinks
> you're great is, well, great, but I'd rather hear your views.
>
> In fact, I think this is really important before the new deadline. By
> writing your views about HOT, the role of the Board and why you want to be
> on it, you give others the opportunity to engage with you and your views.
> You give others the opportunity to put themselves or others forward. We've
> got the word "Open" in our organisation name; please don't keep your
> thoughts from us.
>
> I do admit, however, that the deadline extension is a bit of a nuisance if
> you were planning to sneak in at the last minute, not say anything to the
> membership and then let the nomination process close behind you. I'm sure
> nobody was planning that.
>
> Members, volunteers, interested parties:
>
> if you were thinking of running for the Board, there's still time. Read
> what others have written and see if you agree. Tell us what you think of
> the organisation. How does the Board fit in there? Why do you want to be on
> the Board and not a Working Group? What could you do as a board Member that
> you couldn't do as a a community manager or mapping coordinator?
>
> If you weren't thinking of running for the Board, please tell us what you
> think anyway. At times in the past we've had great outcries that the
> Membership has not been listened to. At this great opportunity, however,
> it's depressing that not more people are speaking; the usual verbose email
> senders, myself included, have been saying more than anyone else.
>
> You don't have to tell us much. Brief is good. Put in a tl;dr if you like.
>
> This is the most important time for sharing your views.
>
> I'd be interested in, for example, what do you think HOT is? How do the
> volunteers, Members and Board fit that view? What needs to change? Where
> will we be in a year? 5 years? 10 years? How do we need to get there?
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> Tell us what you think, please.
>
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Re: [HOT] Malawi Floods - "residential areas" vs. individual buildings

[Severin Menard]

Hi Kretzer,

I mapped this task and tried to put all the residential areas. When the
buildings are too much spread, I considered them as isolated buildings:
http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/907#task/36 I can add the link in the TM
Job instructions if you feel it is helpful for the other mappers.

I take the opportunity to thank you for your great contribution on this
project!

Sincerely,

Severin

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Kretzer  wrote:

> Hi,
> while mapping some rural areas in the lake region, I was often debating
> with myself when it makes sense to draw a "residential area" - there are
> many buildings thinly spread over a wide area that seems to be used for
> agriculture. Like here: http://osm.org/go/lsN196yb--?layers=H
> With myself I agreed on the rule that we would map a residential area, if
> there are more than two larger buildings close together, otherwise just map
> individual buildings. Does that make sense? I guess the advanteage of the
> areas is that they are visible at a smaller scale. On the other hand is
> seems silly to cover all the agricultaral land with "residentisl" tags.
>
> By the way, wouldn't it be cool to have a place to ask such questions
> right in the Task Manager? Or at least have some FAQs there? I just noticed
> in another task - Mayendit, South Sudan, that is - that many people have
> the some questions about the conrete task. Like "what are the round shapes
> here?" - "how can I tell the difference between a ditch and a path" - "how
> do we deal with different imagery from different seasons?" - how do we tag
> the roads here?"
> This would certainly ad to the workload of the organizers, but I think it
> would be useful to achieve more conistent mapping.
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[HOT] Reminder: Activation Working Group meeting today at 2PM UTC

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

That means in less than one hour, on the HOT IRC channel. On my way to be
on time, talk to you in 50 minutes.

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Re: [HOT] #923 - Mayendit, South Sudan - buildings and roads

[Severin Menard]

Hello,

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 12:42 AM, Tom Taylor 
wrote:

> The larger round huts are dwellings, the smaller ones are storage. The
> linear items around the buildings and huts are walls (barrier=wall).

In South Sudan, actually it is generally fences and not walls. Check on these
pics


The buildings and huts should be labelled building=yes.
>
>
> On 05/03/2015 7:00 PM, Kretzer wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I have some questions about this new project:
>> In the western part there are quite unusual structures, there are many
>> buildings
>> stretched in long lines. Like here:
>>http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/8.1325/29.9831&layers=H
>> I started mapping these as residential areas, unless there were only one
>> or two
>> single buildings - would you do that? Or is it better to just map the
>> buildings?
>> I can't even be sure there buildings are really used for permanent
>> living, just
>> assumed that. Maybe there is someone with mor knowledge of the area?
>> I'm also curious what the many round strucures in the open area are. They
>> could
>> well be man-made, maybe something like haystacks (or whatever material
>> would be
>> collected there).
>> Also I am unsure about the roads. There is one tagged as main road that's
>> not
>> even visible on the imagery. I guess that doesn't make sense
>> (particularly as
>> the other main road can clearly be seen as something like that), but
>> didn't dare
>> to touch the top-level structures.
>> Thanks, and sorry again if I am asking in the wrong place!
>>
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[HOT] Geotagged pictures (was Malawi Floods)

[Severin Menard]

Hi Kretzer,

I created this Flickr group with geotagged photos:
https://www.flickr.com/groups/2830215@N22/ If you click on the Map tab you
can see them as markers over the imagery, unfortunately you cannot zoom
close
Here is a uMap using the georss from the Flickr group: you can zoom, but no
imagery: http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/malawi-georss_30661

Does someone have a better tip? Unfortunately, it seems you cannot use
georss in JOSM, would be the easiest way for contributors. Maybe someone
would be interested for GSoC or another hackathon?

Sincerely,

Severin

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 5:21 PM, Severin Menard 
wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Kretzer  wrote:
>
>> Thanks, interesting post!
>>
> Welcome!
>
>>
>> Will the mapping be evaluated by the local volunteers? I guess there is
>> some cleaning needed, and a lot of decisions can't really be made from the
>> aerial imagery. Like the classification of the roads,
>
> I would say it is easier to classify the roads from the imagery because
> you can figure out more easily the respective hierarchy between them. Eg it
> seems there are more unclassified and tertiary roads than eg in CAR where
> you have the main roads and mostly just tracks
>
>
>> for example, or often you can't tell if something is really a building,
>> or if its used for living (more so, where the imagery is not so clear).
>>
> I also need to make a pic album for everyone to understand better what is
> what (starting now), but mapping all the buildings, even the smaller ones,
> make sense. Basically the households have generally two houses : the main
> one (that can have a metallic roof or not and can be rectangular or
> squared) is the residential one; the smaller one close to it is the most
> often the kitchen or can be a shelter for pigs or other small animals. Dark
> brown are corals for cattle, closed by a fence. Toilets are a small
> building too, generally a bit distant from the house. the Shower has not
> roof, it is a kind of snail shape (no door but you can - obviously cannot
> see the inner from outside) in light material, but you cannot see it on the
> imagery unless there are shades
>
>>
>> I quite unsure how to handle the buildings that were tagged as nodes.
>> Sometimes I could see to which buildings they belonged I included the node
>> in the building outline, so that the tag information wasn't lost (I hope
>> this the correct way of doing this ...). Often this is impossible, though,
>> as there are lots of small buildings, often blurred, and lots of nodes. But
>> if the outlines are added, many buildings would be counted twice. So is it
>> best to do nothing where the survey was done on the ground and only ad
>> buildings outside the tagged areas?
>> This is the first time I have done this, so maybe I'm overly confused ...
>>
> No it is confusing, because we had no imagery in some areas when we
> started so we mapped buildings as nodes. If you can replace the geometry
> node -> polygon with iD (it is unfortunately not possible with the JOSM
> utilsplugin2), go for it when it is obvious. Buildings remained nodes even
> with the imagery for the smallest buildings (and buildings can be small in
> Malawi)
>
>>
>> Also it would be very useful to see the date when the images were taken,
>> so we could tell e.g. which is the newer iamge, where more than one is
>> available. Is that technically possible? (the BING images say (C)2015, but
>> I'm not sure that means the photos were actually taken in in 2015).
>>
> in JOSM, you can right click and click on Show tile info. In Lower Shire
> Bing imagery is generally from August 2011. Where are you mapping? Close to
> the lake or there?
>
>>
>>
>> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> With the Help of Charlotte, Cristiano and Blake, I published on the HOT
>> website this blog post presenting an overview of both the disaster and the
>> OSM mapping to support the response with pictures provided by the HOT
>> interns in Malawi There are two ongoing Tasking Manager jobs, one almost
>> done and the other one just starting. Please read, join and contribute!
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [HOT] Translating FieldPapers in now possible

[Severin Menard]

Hi Kate,

I have been alerted by this GitHub ticket:
https://github.com/fieldpapers/fieldpapers/issues/4

Is it a different multi languages platform project? There is already around
10 people who joined the translation team.

Sincerely,

Severin

On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Kate Chapman 
wrote:

> Hi Severin,
>
> There is ongoing work to improve Field Papers, a major part of this is to
> make it possible to translate it. I would suggest waiting until that is
> finished before beginning translation. Unless I missed an announcement
> somewhere looking for translators.
>
> Best,
>
> -Kate
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 8:38 AM, Severin Menard 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The website allows now a multilanguage support. Currently French and
>> Japanese have been already requested, but I guess many other languages
>> would be good to be added. You can request extra languages here:
>> https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/fieldpapers/
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
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[HOT] Translating FieldPapers in now possible

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

The website allows now a multilanguage support. Currently French and
Japanese have been already requested, but I guess many other languages
would be good to be added. You can request extra languages here:
https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/fieldpapers/

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Re: [HOT] Blog post on the mapping to support Support the Disaster Response in Malawi Flooding (Severin Menard)

[Severin Menard]

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Kretzer  wrote:

> Thanks, interesting post!
>
Welcome!

>
> Will the mapping be evaluated by the local volunteers? I guess there is
> some cleaning needed, and a lot of decisions can't really be made from the
> aerial imagery. Like the classification of the roads,

I would say it is easier to classify the roads from the imagery because you
can figure out more easily the respective hierarchy between them. Eg it
seems there are more unclassified and tertiary roads than eg in CAR where
you have the main roads and mostly just tracks


> for example, or often you can't tell if something is really a building, or
> if its used for living (more so, where the imagery is not so clear).
>
I also need to make a pic album for everyone to understand better what is
what (starting now), but mapping all the buildings, even the smaller ones,
make sense. Basically the households have generally two houses : the main
one (that can have a metallic roof or not and can be rectangular or
squared) is the residential one; the smaller one close to it is the most
often the kitchen or can be a shelter for pigs or other small animals. Dark
brown are corals for cattle, closed by a fence. Toilets are a small
building too, generally a bit distant from the house. the Shower has not
roof, it is a kind of snail shape (no door but you can - obviously cannot
see the inner from outside) in light material, but you cannot see it on the
imagery unless there are shades

>
> I quite unsure how to handle the buildings that were tagged as nodes.
> Sometimes I could see to which buildings they belonged I included the node
> in the building outline, so that the tag information wasn't lost (I hope
> this the correct way of doing this ...). Often this is impossible, though,
> as there are lots of small buildings, often blurred, and lots of nodes. But
> if the outlines are added, many buildings would be counted twice. So is it
> best to do nothing where the survey was done on the ground and only ad
> buildings outside the tagged areas?
> This is the first time I have done this, so maybe I'm overly confused ...
>
No it is confusing, because we had no imagery in some areas when we started
so we mapped buildings as nodes. If you can replace the geometry node ->
polygon with iD (it is unfortunately not possible with the JOSM
utilsplugin2), go for it when it is obvious. Buildings remained nodes even
with the imagery for the smallest buildings (and buildings can be small in
Malawi)

>
> Also it would be very useful to see the date when the images were taken,
> so we could tell e.g. which is the newer iamge, where more than one is
> available. Is that technically possible? (the BING images say (C)2015, but
> I'm not sure that means the photos were actually taken in in 2015).
>
in JOSM, you can right click and click on Show tile info. In Lower Shire
Bing imagery is generally from August 2011. Where are you mapping? Close to
the lake or there?

>
>
> 
> Hi,
>
> With the Help of Charlotte, Cristiano and Blake, I published on the HOT
> website this blog post presenting an overview of both the disaster and the
> OSM mapping to support the response with pictures provided by the HOT
> interns in Malawi There are two ongoing Tasking Manager jobs, one almost
> done and the other one just starting. Please read, join and contribute!
>
>
>
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Re: [HOT] HOT 847 Malawi - small fields and dams

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Hello,

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Kretzer  wrote:

> Hello again,
> and sorry again, if I'm asking in the wrong place (but I don't know any
> other ...).
>
> While trying to do some lunchbreak-mapping, I came across a tile with lots
> of small fields with dams in between (at least that's what it looks like, I
> guess it's rice??).
> Someone started mapping all the dams as "highway=footway", someone else
> started mappping some as "highway=path".
> That's here: http://osm.org/go/lsJBMJclB--
>
There are a lot of small dams there. AFIAK from the field the main crop is
maize
When I have a bit of time, I make a few examples with some pics taken in
the field

>
> I wonder if that makes sense, even if you can surely walk on them, but
> there a really lots ...  Anyway, if so, I think "path" would be a better
> tag than "footway", the latter is more of an urban feature, isn't it?
>
I personally agree. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Africa
does not use the footway tag

>
> Thanks again and greetings from the Alps!
>
Greetings from dusty Dakar !

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Re: [HOT] Tasking manager - Translators needed

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Hi Pierre,

Working on the French translation, not much to do.

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Pierre GIRAUD 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> We're currently preparing a new release of the tasking manager.
> In the past weeks, modifications have been made to the code and a
> bunch of strings need to be translated.
>
> If you want to help, you can connect to transifex and complete the
> missing translations in the master resource:
> https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/osm-tasking-manager2/resource/master/
>
> Note: if you're not sure what to propose for translation or if you
> don't know in which context the string is used, just leave it empty.
>
> Thanks in advance.
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Re: [HOT] Blog post on the mapping to support Support the Disaster Response in Malawi Flooding

[Severin Menard]

Currently respectively 11 and 2 contributors working on the two Tasking
Manager jobs, this is great, keep the minds up!

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:02 AM, Severin Menard 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> With the Help of Charlotte, Cristiano and Blake, I published on the HOT
> website this blog post presenting an overview of both the disaster and the
> OSM mapping to support the response with pictures provided by the HOT
> interns in Malawi There are two ongoing Tasking Manager jobs, one almost
> done and the other one just starting. Please read, join and contribute!
>
>
>
> http://hot.openstreetmap.org/updates/2015-02-27_hot_called_upon_to_support_disaster_response_in_malawi_flooding
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[HOT] Blog post on the mapping to support Support the Disaster Response in Malawi Flooding

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

With the Help of Charlotte, Cristiano and Blake, I published on the HOT
website this blog post presenting an overview of both the disaster and the
OSM mapping to support the response with pictures provided by the HOT
interns in Malawi There are two ongoing Tasking Manager jobs, one almost
done and the other one just starting. Please read, join and contribute!


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Re: [HOT] Fwd: huts.

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

To get an idea of what look like the huts you may find hard to identify on
the imagery,
you can have a look on this video
 of a small plane landing on
Zemio airstrip in Central African Republic, especially just before the
plane lands. It shows well what you can see here
. And you
figure out that the round brown shapes are obvious nice huts. I put that on
Zemio TM job to help the contributors: usually when creating a job I check
if there is no video showing the situation from the ground. In South Sudan
it made me figure out what I thought were walls are actually wooden fences.

Sincerely,

Severin

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Rod Bera  wrote:

>  Hi John and everyone,
>
> These huts definitely are for living.
>
> Again (see my e-email below), the bigger ones are permanent shelters i.e.
> homes.
> The smaller ones are strorage (granaries), containing food for a whole
> family (or more) for a whole year (in the best of cases, just after
> harvesting) or less (depending on time in year and amounts of previous
> harvest. One or two successive bad harvests most likely means famine).
>
> These huts (or squared equivalents) are the only possible housing when
> people live
>
>- with less than $2.15 a day (as is the case for 516 millions in
>Sub-Saharan Africa alone, 1.934 billions globally) and
>- in rural areas (which in Sub-Saharan Africa make 77% of those below
>the $2.15 poverty line).
>
> Figures are from UN-Habitat2003. Obviously they have increased since then.
> When I am talking of $2.15, this is obviously not pocket money. It's
> generally speaking the economic equivalent of the food they produce and
> eat, etc.
>
> 77% (this figure is higher than elsewhere in the world, where the majority
> of poverty has moved to urban slums) makes about 397millions of "rural
> poors" in this part of the world alone.
>
> Now, very rough rule-of-thumb: 6 per house (families aren't that big:
> infant mortality rate alone in Guinea narrows 10% without ebola) + 1
> granary for 3 houses (things can be very different from place to place) :.
> 100 million houses. Amongst them, expect a fair amount of huts.
>
> So as Pierre advises for all these:
> building=yes and shift+O to draw circles. And happy shift-O-ing! But
> before, we need highways=tracks (and other roads), and landuse=residential.
>
> More generally, we have already debated the issue of remote mapping, and
> difficulty, sometimes, of getting the proper local context.
>
> Our community is growing and most certainly including people in these
> areas who have more accurate knowledge of terrain, who know life "as it is"
> there.
> We should rely more on them, and I welcome them to take some time
> explaining things that seem obvious to them, but are not to many westerners
> who take for granted all the wealth, goods, infrastructures... they benefit
> from.
>
> Sometimes however, language is an issue and it would be nice to see
> native/fluent english speakers make the others more self-confident, or risk
> themselves into other languages.
>
> It's a good thing we can share all this in this list. It is not a matter
> of "knowing" or "not knowing", nor is it of "just mapping", rather an
> opportunity to better know each other's cultures and realities. So I
> welcome more of these exchanges as they can serve improved mutual
> understanding. In-so-doing HOT and OSM can offer us all far more than just
> maps (or data) : a better understanding of the world and people living on
> this planet, for a start...
>
> Best,
>
> Rod
>
>
>
> On 17/02/15 03:35, john whelan wrote:
>
>  I strongly suspect they are huts that people live in.
>
>  Cheerio John
>
>
>
>  Hi Daniel,
>
> depends on what kind of "hut" you're talking about. Most of these are
> permanent housing. Some (they tend to be smaller) are granaries.
> Try googling images with "west african hut" and "millet granary" to make
> yourself an idea.
>
> Rod
>
>
>
> On 16/02/15 20:09, Daniel Specht wrote:
>
> Oops -- didn't mean to send that last one.  Question about huts -- in West
> Africa there are a lot of huts, sometimes just out in the forest with no
> rectangular buildings or clearings nearby.  Are these for storage?
> Temporary housing?
>
>  Dan
>
>
>
>  Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:55:45 -0500
> From: john whelan 
> To: "hot@openstreetmap.org" 
> Subject: [HOT] Validation
> Message-ID:
> <
> caj-ex1f3+n6dhh62xnjnazs-p-q8hlmlx77bvd_+zu78sr5...@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Mapping in Africa from satellite images I find I'm adding perhaps half a
> dozen settlements when I validate, they're quite quick and easy to do.
> Some are huts and are not quite so easy to spot.
>
> Question at what point should I invalidate?  The question arises when
> perhaps I've added a dozen settlements and half a dozen highways, I'm
> fairly experienced so fairly comfortable t

Re: [HOT] New task of urban mapping in Erbil, Iraq

[Severin Menard]

Hi Claire,

Maybe it would be good you add a priority area covering the area to be
surveyed soon.
I would also and the header we frequently add on top (Author, Requesting
org, etc.) and would emphasize the fact it will be a base for a survey
(IMHO it is a motivation point).

Sincerely,

Severin

On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Claire Halleux 
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> If some of you want to practice a bit more of urban mapping, here is your
> chance!
> I've just created a new small task for an urban suburb of Erbil in Iraq.
> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/886
>
> Some field mapping will follow in the next few days, hopefully after most
> buildings have been traced.
> Contributors with previous experience in urban environments are most
> welcome to support, review and validate other contributors' work.
>
> Thanks in advance and happy mapping!
>
> Claire
>
> Claire Halleux
> Volunteer and Member of the Board
> +243 99 256 9980 (Kinshasa, DRC)
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Re: [HOT] request for mapping buildings in Malawi flood plan with focus on two areas

[Severin Menard]

Dear Maarten,

As you posted the email on the hot list first, it is better we continue on
that channel.

So basically job #847 has been done after processing the TerraSarX flood
extent (http://www.masdap.mw/maps/261) as explained in the job instructions.

http://geonode.wfp.org/layers/geonode:moz_mwi_dfo_floodextent_20150126 is
really coarse indeed compared to the previous one, and does not seem always
logical considering the landscape. Regarding the Malawi affected areas,
around Zomba, Phalombe and Mulanje, I considered the area and created a
test job to see what it would look like. Can you please confirm this job

would be relevant? It is a large area, with many villages, and it is almost
un-mapped so far; hopefully not with a high population density.

Would you also have some documentation, report or link to inform the
community about the current situation in the field, that would complete
what we can find on reliefweb
 about Malawi?

For everyone from the HOT community reading this email, drawing buildings
is important to get an idea of where are the people and how many they are,
considering there is no updated and geolocated population census. With
INASafe , a QGIS plugin, it is easy to get such
evaluation + contingency planning docs (including food and non food items
to provide to the affected population) by intersecting a vulnerability
layer (the OSM buildings) and a hazard layer (the flood extent layer).

Sincerely,

Severin

On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 5:16 AM, Information Manager Shelter Cluster Malawi <
im.mal...@sheltercluster.org> wrote:

> All,
>
> We are currently working on providing shelter to people affected by the
> floods in January. We are still badly in need of an overall damage
> assessment, because a big part of the area is inaccessible. We have
> currently pretty ok building data for the lower shire (Nsanje and Chikwhawa
> districts), both due to mapping of the department of surveys, and the HOT
> OSM task for that area. Current priorities therefore are the districts of
> Phalombe, Mulanje, Zomba and Blantyre City (in order of priority). And
> especially those buildings that are within the flood plane.
>
> Please see here a map of the flood plane, to prioritize the effort. It is
> a rough map, but at least it will show you what areas to focus on.
> http://geonode.wfp.org/layers/geonode:moz_mwi_dfo_floodextent_20150126
>
> There is already a task for this on OSM.
> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/847#
>
> As soon as we have the buildings in these areas properly mapped, we will
> overlay them with new flood plane layers and count the number of buildings
> inundated. As we are still in the emergency phase, an upscaling of effort
> would be really welcome.
>
> Thank you for those helping out,
>
> Maarten
>
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> M: +265 997 314 918
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[HOT] 2015 February Activation Working Group Meeting

[Severin Menard]

Oops sorry I sent the email to another list! Please read below

On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Severin Menard 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Just a reminder that, as we are the second Tuesday of the month, the
> Activation Working Group meeting will occur today at 2PM UTC on IRC on the
> #hot IRC channel on OFTC (Click here <http://irc.openstreetmap.org/> if
> you do not have an IRC client, put an nickname and select the #hot channel
> at the very bottom of the list before logging. If you do not know what IRC
> is, it is basically an open platform for texting online in thematic rooms).
>
> Notes and log from the previous meeting are here
> <https://hackpad.com/Activation-WG-Meeting-Jan-13-2015-Agenda-6wPNYZZIvrB>.
>
> What we have in the agenda (of course, anyone can raise any other topic)
>
> 1 Activations
>
> * Floods in Malawi and Mozambique
> There is already a job on Lower Shire in Southern Malawi, progressing
> slowly, but another flood extent layer is available
> <http://geonode.wfp.org/layers/geonode:moz_mwi_dfo_floodextent_20150126>
> now, not as precise as the one for Lower Shire but covering the whole
> affected areas. An official activation could be done. We have contacts with
> humanitarian stakeholders in Malawi (from the HOT Project in the field
> during the last Summer), not yet in Mozambique. Helpful is someone help me
> to identify/map affected areas around Zomba, Mulanje, Phalombe and Blantyre
> City.
>
> * Crisis in Northern Nigeria
> Fred, Nicolas and I contacted humanitarian to set if it would be
> beneficial and not detrimental to map these areas in conflict and it is OK.
> Nicolas will detail that in an email to come
>
> * CAR (Central African Republic)
> Thanks to the MapGive project, we have two new imagery to cover cities in
> "Bing holes", Rafai <http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/883> and Obo, that
> will complete the map of all the admin 1 and 2 in the country (except a few
> minor towns). See the uMap
> <http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/central-african-republic-mapping-progress_3868>
> for a clear picture. A blog post should be done shortly.
>
> * South Sudan
> Juba is progressing well now, and other towns are also mapped through the
> Missing Map Project with whom we will coordinate more. Help for monitoring
> and prepare jobs is welcome
>
> * Ebola
> Would be good to have an update from Pierre and Andrew. AFAIK there are
> cases close to the western border of Ivory Coast where there is
> unfortunately a "Bing hole".
>
> 2 Documentation
>
> * TOR are still to be adopted. Please read them
> <https://hackpad.com/HOT-AWG-Activation-Working-Group-Terms-of-reference-8EFvmXXzU68#:h=Members>
> and give your feedback
>
> * Through the Grant given by the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation due
> to the huge contribution from the hot/osm community during the Ebola
> activation, an Activation documentation and training project is being
> planned
>
>
> Talk to you in a couple of hours.
>
> Sincerely,
>
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>
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Re: [HOT] request for mapping buildings in Malawi flood plan with focus on two areas

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

Do you have a layer showing the flood extents for Phalombe, Mulanje, Zomba
and Blantyre? I can create new TM jobs as soon as I have them.

Sincerely,

Severin

On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Maarten van der Veen <
im.mal...@sheltercluster.org> wrote:

> There are people already mapping the camps. Mapaction has done most of
> that. We are mainly concerned with the residential buildings, to count the
> number of houses damaged.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Maarten
>
> On February 3, 2015 4:17:05 PM CAT, Justin Temwani Ng'ambi <
> justinngambi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The Job on Tasking Manager for Phalombe and Zomba is yet to be
>> created. I hope Severin will help us on the same. I can assist in
>> locating the camps, We have some data for the rescue camps (for
>> Phalombe and Zomba).
>>
>> On 2/3/15, john whelan  wrote:
>>
>>>  HOT task 847 does not seem to have any tiles covering Phalombe, Mulanje,
>>>  Zomba or Blantyre.
>>>
>>>  Is there another HOT task perhaps?
>>>
>>>  Thanks
>>>
>>>  Cheerio John
>>>
>>>  On 2 February 2015 at 23:16, Information Manager Shelter Cluster Malawi <
>>>  im.mal...@sheltercluster.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>  All,

  We are currently working on providing shelter to people affected by the
  floods in January. We are still badly in need of an overall damage
  assessment, because a big part of the area is inaccessible. We have
  currently pretty ok building data for the lower shire (Nsanje and
  Chikwhawa
  districts), both due to mapping of the department of surveys, and the HOT
  OSM task for that area. Current priorities therefore are the districts of
  Phalombe, Mulanje, Zomba and Blantyre City (in order of priority). And
  especially those buildings that are within the flood plane.

  Please see here a map of the flood plane, to prioritize the effort. It is
  a rough map, but at least it will show you what areas to focus on.
  http://geonode.wfp.org/layers/geonode:moz_mwi_dfo_floodextent_20150126

  There is already a task for this on OSM.
  http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/847#

  As soon as we have the buildings in these areas properly mapped, we will
  overlay them with new flood plane layers and count the number of
  buildings
  inundated. As we are still in the emergency phase, an upscaling of effort
  would be really welcome.

  Thank you for those helping out,

  Maarten

  --
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  Shelter Cluster Support - Information manager
  Malawi Floods 2015
  Malawi Red Cross Society, Lilongwe
  E: im.mal...@sheltercluster.org
  M: +265 997 314 918
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Re: [HOT] HOT is now on LinkedIn

[Severin Menard]

Dear all,

Sorry for getting back late on this thread.

Linkedin may be a large social media for professionals, what it has
achieved by building its audience by emailing systematically personal
contact lists, what makes it one of the most spamming site in the OSM
talking lists, from my experience of moderator of a few lists. Therefore
Linkedin is not very OSM friendly and reading the email title,  I thought
it was again one of these Linkedin spams slipping through the net from time
to time. Linkedin finally got its point, ha!

I have a few (other) concerns:

1. The description of what is HOT in this page is not very clear about what
HOT is. As a Board member, I must admit we did not work yet on defining
what the HOT project is, what we have planned to after the HOT in Person
meeting but did not take the time yet to work on it. In IMHO it does not
emphasize enough that HOT the nGO has been created to coordinate and
support the free contribution of hundreds (almost thousands) of volunteers,
that are the core of the HOT project.

2. What is exactly the aim of "to reach out and engage with Humanitarian
and Mapping Professionals" with this group. Finding new people volunteering
among the professionals or publishing positions every time new ones are
available? IMHO again, would be good tfor the two cases to drive the people
interested either to the OSM lists or HOT website. But for the second case,
it would be better to have people volunteering first before applying to
positions

3. Why the Discussion group, where it seems discussions are planned to be
done, rather than simply linking to existing channels? And this is a closed
group (maybe by definition in Linkedin) so it will not help people
volunteering to have a clear picture of what happens if there is this group
with discussion behind the scenes

A few minor remarks or questions: I think HOT the NGO has been officially
created in 2010 and not 2012, and do not understand well the figure of
51-200 employees. Is it the total number of people that have been
contracted since the creation of the organization?

Sincerely,

Severin


On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 9:42 PM, Mark Cupitt  wrote:

> Dear All
>
> The Communications Working Group is pleased to announce that HOT now has a
> presence on LinkedIn. The objective of this move is to further promote
> HOT's work to the professional and business community world wide and
> directly engage with people who may be interested in our activities.
>
> We have two pages, a Company Page and a Discussion Group
>
> The Company Page is designed to showcase HOT, what it is and highlight key
> activities that HOT undertakes.
>
> The company page is at
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/company/humanitarian-openstreetmap-team
>
> If you are a LinkedIn Member, please show your support by following the
> company page and sharing the page to your contacts
>
> Hot also has a Discussion Group
>
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=6937224&trk=groups_management_edit_group_info-h-dsc
>
> This Group is not intended to replace the main Hot List, rather it is
> intended as a mechanism to reach out and engage with Humanitarian and
> Mapping Professionals all over the world as well as promoting HOT
> Activities and events
>
> Again, please join the group and share it with all your contacts.
>
> We are excited about this New LinkedIn Presence!
>
> LinkedIn has a reach that extends to millions of professionals world wide
> and we look forward to engaging with people from all over the world and
> showcasing our work.
>
>
> Regards
>
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>
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>
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Re: [HOT] HOT #852 Buildings or not?

[Severin Menard]

Hi Martin,

Thanks for the feedback: I had copied/pasted the intructions to another
jobs and thy did not fit perfectly. It is fixed now.

Sincerely,

Severin

On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 10:08 PM, m902  wrote:

>  The instructions for #852 state:
>
> Entities to map:
> residential areas, roads, streets, buildings, walls, rivers
>
> But the narrative states:
>  (don’t worry about the buildings in the rest of the town for now)
>
> I'm assuming that the latter is incorrect.
>
> Could the instructions be updated please?
>
> Thanks
> Martin
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[HOT] Malawi Flood TM job #847

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

The Southern parts of Malawi along the Lower Shire river
 (that connects Lake Malawi and
Zambezi River) are frequently flooded and affects the villages of farmers
around. Since mid January 2015, they are critically hit (read eg this
article

).

I have created this job  in order to
map the affected residential area. You may know or remember that HOT has
been involved in 2014 in a Community Mapping and Training project with the
national Department of Disaster Management Affairs in Malawi. DoDMA and
GFDRR  agreed about the necessity to
have detailed data of the region, through a community mapping in the field,
that could be used to build hazard impact scenarios with tools like InaSafe
in order to improve the planning, preparedness and response activities HOT
funded Project
.
At that time the flood prone area have been identified through local
experience and knowledge from DoDMA headquarters, DoDMA districts officers,
Heads of Groups of Villages and local people. All the residential areas
have been mapped as well as all the buildings and water&sanitation objects.

Since the floods, GFDRR got a "TerraSAR-X/TanDEM-X © 2015 German Aerospace
Center (DLR), 2015 Airbus Defense and Space / Infoterra GmbH" imagery,
captured 13th Jan 2015, whose analysis shows clearly the flood extent. This
extent has been intersected with residential areas from OSM and the output
has been with a 50 m buffered. (Note: the blue outline on the map on the
right is an automatic buffer created by the Tasking Manager, it does not
mean anything, so please do not consider it).


*This job aims at adding the missing buildings, that will serve to estimate
the number of affected people for each settlement. Please join!*

* WARNING:* sometimes the buildings have been created as a node. Please do
not delete them as they generally encompass a lot of attributes from the
field survey done in August-September 2014.


Sincerely,


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[HOT] Activation Working Group meeting

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

Just a reminder the Activation Working Group meeting will happen tomorrow
at 14 UTC, as we will be the 2nd Tuesday of the month, on the #hot IRC
channel on OFTC. Click here  if you do not
have an IRC client, put an nickname and select the #hot channel at the very
bottom of the list before logging. If you do not know what IRC is, it is
basically an open platform for texting online in thematic rooms).

*Unfortunately, I will not be able to be online tomorrow at that time
myself. *

For those who think Working Group are "Only for top experienced people, get
away from there, newcomers!": *you are wrong*.

*It is for everybody and I would say especially for newcomers. Because we
need more and more people involved in the activations, not only on mapping
tasks.*

Monitoring humanitarian documentation (to identify crisis we could help +
prioritizing mapping in current activations when not specifically requested
by humanitarian organizations), update the wikis, participate to specific
mapping workflows and imports, validation, contacts with other mappers,
etc. If you get bored by only tracing building, there are many ways to
contribute in other ways.

Providing feedback, suggesting is what any newcomer can do, and it is
almost always very useful because it can either provide new good ideas or
simply pointing out some things should be explained/described better for
people contributing more easily and better.

Sincerely,

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Re: [HOT] Project: "Improving the HOT tasking manager homepage"

[Severin Menard]

Thanks for the spreadsheet Nikita, I put my comment, others already did it
previously

Severin

On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Nitika  wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> We were working on the wording glossary for the Tasking Manager v1, v2 and
> the terms used for the same description in the HOT Website. Please see the
> spreadsheet (link mentioned below) in which we have mentioned about the
> relevant terms used in tasking manager v1, v2 and HOT Website.
>
> Since many of us were confused about the correct terms that are being used
> by the developers, it will also help the community to use a single term for
> a specific description. Please have a look on the spreadsheet and mention
> about your reviews and feedback (under the Suggestions Tab) along with your
> name.
>
> Link to the Spreadsheet:
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KDQrRxxBXaxysRUSxr8Kdxw2LXkgwhmREy52i4sLHLE/edit
>
> Note: The spreadsheet is editable.
>
>
> Best Regards,
> Nitika
>
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Re: [HOT] Projeto Sergipe

[Severin Menard]

Hi Tarcisio,

There are actually no rules to become a project manager in the Tasking
Manager, that is made through cooptation among experienced OSM mappers (by
this I mean mappers with a significant number of edits). Why it is not open
to everyone is basically because the server is not super large, so having
people creating a lot of tasks, some of them not well done (eg too large to
be realistically done) would make the website fuzzy. Please present your
project a bit more (eg the link of an OSM wikipage about it), your
community (I guess you are not mapping alone but have some fellow mappers
interested by this project) and yourself as an experienced OSM mapper. Then
you would make your first attempts on the test instance (so that
experienced TM managers can tell you if the job you creates is well
designed for the purpose) then in the production one.
As mentioned by Fernando, it is important to connect with the "local"
community to discuss about ongoing mapping projects and priorities.

Sincerely,

Severin

On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Tarcisio Oliveira 
wrote:

> Hi would link to use the tasking manager to organize the mapping of
> rural Brasil which includes dirt roads, missing towns, rivers, woods, etc.
>  What i need to do to create a project and manager?
>
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[HOT] Activation Working Group Meeting today 14 UTC

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

Just a reminder the Activation Working Group meeting will happen today at
14 UTC, as we are the 2nd Tuesday of the month, on the #hot IRC channel on
OFTC Click here  if you do not have an IRC
client, put an nickname and select the #hot channel at the very bottom of
the list before logging. If you do not know what IRC is, it is basically an
open platform for texting online in thematic rooms).

For those who think Working Group are "Only for top experienced people, get
away from there, newcomers!": *you are wrong*.

*It is for everybody and I would say especially for newcomers. Because we
need more and more people involved in the activations, not only on mapping
tasks.*

Monitoring humanitarian documentation (to identify crisis we could help +
prioritizing mapping in current activations when not specifically requested
by humanitarian organizations), update the wikis, participate to specific
mapping workflows and imports, validation, contacts with other mappers,
etc. If you get bored by only tracing building, there are many ways to
contribute in other ways.

Providing feedback, suggesting is what any newcomer can do, and it is
almost always very useful because it can either provide new good ideas or
simply pointing out some things should be explained/described better for
people contributing more easily and better.

See you there at the meeting,

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Re: [HOT] Getting Introduced to the OpenStreetMap Community

[Severin Menard]

Hi Nitika,

I am really happy you are in to make this great, expected, improvement!

Looking forward to see the results and available to be part of the working
group on this if there is one planned to provide feedback.

Sincerely,

Severin

On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Nitika  wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> Firstly, I wish to introduce myself to the OpenStreetMap community. My
> name is Nitika currently pursuing computer engineering at Netaji Subhas
> Institute of Technology, India. My research interests lies in Algorithms,
> Data Structures, Programming Languages, Web Application development and
> contributing to open source software.
>
> I'm glad to inform you that I have been selected for the OPW 2014
> Internship to work on the OpenStreetMap project Improve the HOT Tasking
> Manager homepage under the guidance of mentor Pierre Giraud.
>
> My project is to improve the current homepage of the HOT Tasking Manager,
> since it makes other projects (jobs) such that the last / most urgent ones
> (that often are the same) hide all the rest.
>
> Link to the Blog: http://nitika-opw2014.blogspot.in/
>
> Blog Feed Link: http://nitika-opw2014.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default
>
> Looking forward to a great period of coding and fun...!  Stay tuned for
> more updates!!
>
>
> Best Regards,
> Nitika
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Re: [HOT] Bing imagery offset

[Severin Menard]

Hi Althio,

Thanks for pointing this out. Actually I had made the changes but seems my
not really reliable internet did not load my last edits for the
instructions.
Actually I had already moved the data when I noticed the Bing imagery
change, and it is not an easy operation, at all. I did this to maintain the
whole quite consolidated, otherwise it would be changed here and there
through the TM tasks with likely streets becoming snaky. Supposedly what
remains to be moved is only a few meters and can be done through the tasks
by regular mappers. But a validation process on the road network once the
job will be done will not hurt, I guess.

Sincerely,

Severin

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 9:02 PM, althio forum 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Offset is always a pain with different or updated imageries... Or so it
> seems.
>
> The new workflow is certainly better and more streamlined in the current
> conditions.
>
> A suggestion though regarding imagery/offset instructions:
> " Align the WordView-2 imagery on the vector data (and not the contrary).
> Using the offset_db plug-in will help you to get offsets points that will
> likely almost aligned completely the imagery (having to solve a few meters
> offset is easy, where it is several tens, it takes more time to figure out
> where this building is supposed to be). "
> Since a "rectification process was performed to reduce offset" on
> WordView-2 and since any offset from database is outdated in this area:
> this imagery/offset instructions could be simplified and reduced to the
> first sentence only " Align the WordView-2 imagery on the vector data (and
> not the contrary). " (And no offset_db plug-in will help you there...
> Unless all old offsets are completely deprecated and new correct ones are
> created.)
>
> Also a question regarding process: how difficult or effective would it be
> to offset globally all data and align on new Bing imagery instead of
> relying on each mapper on his individual tile? Alternatively the other face
> of the question is: how easy is it for a regular mapper editing with iD to
> do a re-alignment for a lot of existing objects?
>
> althio
> On Nov 18, 2014 7:53 PM, "Severin Menard" 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just updated the job <http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/591>
>> instructions as proposed below. SUmmary: first Bing 2013, then WV2 to
>> complete.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Severin
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Severin Menard > > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Yes the adjustments for the latest WV2 imagery, put in the offset db,
>>> were based on the Bing imagery, supposedly (almost no GPS traces over Juba,
>>> unfortunately). BUT Bing updated its imagery over Juba; it is now dated
>>> June 23, 2013 and the georeferencing is slightly different, making the
>>> previous offset_db points obsolete. Tried to deprecate or delete them, did
>>> not get it, if someone knows the tip, I would be interested.
>>>
>>> Considering the two imagery are now quite close, I would suggest to:
>>> - draw first on Bing and consider its georeferecing is good
>>> - then display the WV2 imagery, correcting the offset manually (was more
>>> complicated with the previous Bing imagery that was quite dark and quite
>>> old, what made the offset correction not easy considering the city is
>>> growing/evolving fast), and add the missing parts (from the test I made,
>>> new buildings here and there and more new buildings in the city limits, as
>>> expected).
>>>
>>> It this makes sense for everyone, I edit the job's instructions
>>> accordingly.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Severin
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Sander Deryckere 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The reason for this is because relative offsets are much harder to deal
>>>> with than absolute offsets. When the relative positions are correct, you
>>>> can still calculate how far things are from each other, how big they are,
>>>> ... You don't need the absolute position for it. Even on the field, when
>>>> using a GPS, the quality of the GPS position is often so low that you won't
>>>> notice an absolute offset.
>>>>
>>>> To minimise the number of relative differences, it's advised to base
>>>> your data on a source that's more or less good in quality, and has a big
>>>> coverage. As such, the Bing imagery was chosen as a base (without an offset
>>>> applied, as any new mapper would get it in his fr

Re: [HOT] Bing imagery offset

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

I just updated the job <http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/591> instructions
as proposed below. SUmmary: first Bing 2013, then WV2 to complete.

Sincerely,

Severin

On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Severin Menard 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Yes the adjustments for the latest WV2 imagery, put in the offset db, were
> based on the Bing imagery, supposedly (almost no GPS traces over Juba,
> unfortunately). BUT Bing updated its imagery over Juba; it is now dated
> June 23, 2013 and the georeferencing is slightly different, making the
> previous offset_db points obsolete. Tried to deprecate or delete them, did
> not get it, if someone knows the tip, I would be interested.
>
> Considering the two imagery are now quite close, I would suggest to:
> - draw first on Bing and consider its georeferecing is good
> - then display the WV2 imagery, correcting the offset manually (was more
> complicated with the previous Bing imagery that was quite dark and quite
> old, what made the offset correction not easy considering the city is
> growing/evolving fast), and add the missing parts (from the test I made,
> new buildings here and there and more new buildings in the city limits, as
> expected).
>
> It this makes sense for everyone, I edit the job's instructions
> accordingly.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Severin
>
> On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Sander Deryckere 
> wrote:
>
>> The reason for this is because relative offsets are much harder to deal
>> with than absolute offsets. When the relative positions are correct, you
>> can still calculate how far things are from each other, how big they are,
>> ... You don't need the absolute position for it. Even on the field, when
>> using a GPS, the quality of the GPS position is often so low that you won't
>> notice an absolute offset.
>>
>> To minimise the number of relative differences, it's advised to base your
>> data on a source that's more or less good in quality, and has a big
>> coverage. As such, the Bing imagery was chosen as a base (without an offset
>> applied, as any new mapper would get it in his freshly opened editor).
>>
>> When there are better sources available in the future (f.e. interpolated,
>> high-precision positions), then everything in that region can be shifted by
>> the then-known Bing offset.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sander
>>
>> 2014-11-06 11:55 GMT+01:00 althio forum :
>>
>>> Hi HOT
>>>
>>> I am on task #591 - South Sudan Crisis, Cholera outbreak in Juba,
>>> mapping with WorldView-2 imagery.
>>>
>>> Instructions includes:
>>> Check in the vector data is correctly aligned on Bing imagery. Bing
>>> imagery is the reference for the georeferencing.
>>>
>>> My question is about the first step i.e. What is the recommended offset
>>> for Bing imagery:
>>>  (a) get from database
>>>  (b) set to offset: 0.00; 0.00
>>>  (c) other
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> althio
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Re: [HOT] Bing imagery offset

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

Yes the adjustments for the latest WV2 imagery, put in the offset db, were
based on the Bing imagery, supposedly (almost no GPS traces over Juba,
unfortunately). BUT Bing updated its imagery over Juba; it is now dated
June 23, 2013 and the georeferencing is slightly different, making the
previous offset_db points obsolete. Tried to deprecate or delete them, did
not get it, if someone knows the tip, I would be interested.

Considering the two imagery are now quite close, I would suggest to:
- draw first on Bing and consider its georeferecing is good
- then display the WV2 imagery, correcting the offset manually (was more
complicated with the previous Bing imagery that was quite dark and quite
old, what made the offset correction not easy considering the city is
growing/evolving fast), and add the missing parts (from the test I made,
new buildings here and there and more new buildings in the city limits, as
expected).

It this makes sense for everyone, I edit the job's instructions accordingly.

Sincerely,

Severin

On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Sander Deryckere 
wrote:

> The reason for this is because relative offsets are much harder to deal
> with than absolute offsets. When the relative positions are correct, you
> can still calculate how far things are from each other, how big they are,
> ... You don't need the absolute position for it. Even on the field, when
> using a GPS, the quality of the GPS position is often so low that you won't
> notice an absolute offset.
>
> To minimise the number of relative differences, it's advised to base your
> data on a source that's more or less good in quality, and has a big
> coverage. As such, the Bing imagery was chosen as a base (without an offset
> applied, as any new mapper would get it in his freshly opened editor).
>
> When there are better sources available in the future (f.e. interpolated,
> high-precision positions), then everything in that region can be shifted by
> the then-known Bing offset.
>
> Regards,
> Sander
>
> 2014-11-06 11:55 GMT+01:00 althio forum :
>
>> Hi HOT
>>
>> I am on task #591 - South Sudan Crisis, Cholera outbreak in Juba, mapping
>> with WorldView-2 imagery.
>>
>> Instructions includes:
>> Check in the vector data is correctly aligned on Bing imagery. Bing
>> imagery is the reference for the georeferencing.
>>
>> My question is about the first step i.e. What is the recommended offset
>> for Bing imagery:
>>  (a) get from database
>>  (b) set to offset: 0.00; 0.00
>>  (c) other
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> althio
>>
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[HOT] Activation Working Group Meeting

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

Just a reminder the Activation Working Group meeting will happen today at
14 UTC, as we are the 2nd Tuesday of the month, on the #hot IRC channel on
OFTC Click here  if you do not have an IRC
client, put an nickname and select the #hot channel at the very bottom of
the list before logging. If you do not know what IRC is, it is basically an
open platform for texting online in thematic rooms).

For those who think Working Group are "Only for top experienced people, get
away from there, newcomers!":* you are wrong*.

*It is for everybody and I would say especially for newcomers. Because we
need more and more people involved in the activations, not only on mapping
tasks.*

Monitoring humanitarian documentation (to identify crisis we could help +
prioritizing mapping in current activations when not specifically requested
by humanitarian organizations), update the wikis, participate to specific
mapping workflows and imports, validation, contacts with other mappers,
etc. If you get bored by only tracing building, there are many ways to
contribute in other ways.

Providing feedback, suggesting is what any newcomer can do, and it is
almost always very useful because it can either provide new good ideas or
simply pointing out some things should be explained/described better for
people contributing more easily and better.

See you there at the meeting,

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Re: [HOT] Are there any detailed reports or research on the utilization of HOT maps on the ground?

[Severin Menard]

Hi Sander,

It would be definitely good to have it... so let us do it collectively, as
the rest of the voluntary work we do. Would be easy to feed a wiki page
about it, it is just a matter of available time to do it. But it is not
that easy as humanitarian stakeholders do not inform us every time they use
OSM data. I discovered many times on reliefweb maps done with OSM data I
did not know about before. Eg in CAR (see my last blogpost)

Sincerely,

Severin
Le 1 nov. 2014 16:37, "Sander Deryckere"  a écrit :

> I have to agree with Mr Hartmann.
>
> When you search, you surely can find articles about who's using OSM data
> provided by HOT in which way. But you have to search for it.
>
> It would be good if articles that come from the data users (Red Cross,
> MSF, UN, ...) would be visible on the main intro pages about HOT. Stating
> what HOT can achieve in terms of data quality and speed is important to
> convince possible data users (like the stuff every OSMer knows about hot:
> mapped Haiti in that time, mapped all villages in these countries, ...).
> But stories from data users are important to convince OSMers.
>
> So the PR needed to attract more data users is very different from the PR
> needed to attract more mappers. And both forms of PR are needed.
>
> Regards,
> Sander
>
> 2014-11-01 16:19 GMT+01:00 Andy Anderson :
>
>>  In addition to “quantitative data sets or any scientifically
>> executed interviews?” or even anecdotal “The maps helped a lot!”, you can
>> also “appeal to authority”: the US State Department’s Humanitarian
>> Information Unit thinks that humanitarian mapping is so worthwhile that
>> they set up their own “MapGive” page:
>>
>>  http://mapgive.state.gov
>>
>>  “Map data is key to humanitarian and development missions. MapGive
>> helps new volunteers learn to map and get involved in online tasks.”
>>
>>  The effectiveness of such an appeal will, of course, depend on whether
>> someone trusts the “authority” :-)
>>
>>  — Andy
>>
>>  On Oct 31, 2014, at 9:25 PM, Kate Chapman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Gideon,
>>
>>  Certainly it helps to have examples. There are a couple reports that
>> might be of interest from the World Bank and the 2nd one is the World Bank
>> and University College London.
>>
>>  Open Data for Resilience Initiative: Field Guide:
>> https://www.gfdrr.org/ODRIFG
>>  Crowdsourcing Geographic Information Use in Government:
>> http://crowdgov.wordpress.com/report/
>>
>>  Best,
>>
>>  -Kate
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 7:39 PM, Blake Girardot 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am not really sure what you are saying when you say: "Is there more
>>> than "The maps helped a lot!""
>>>
>>> I think feedback like that from the groups that use the data we generate
>>> are very convincing that the mapping we do helps on the ground. Further,
>>> for me it is very informative that these same humanitarian groups do ask
>>> the HOT specifically to do mapping for them. I do not think they would ask
>>> us if they did not feel it helped them.
>>>
>>> Also, there is a somewhat different scope of the HOT mapping that is
>>> about empowering local communities outside of immediate crises.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Blake
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/31/2014 1:25 PM, Gideon Hartmann wrote:
>>>
 Hey mappers,

 whenever I tell friends about the HOT projects, I get a lot of sceptic
 responses. Most people don't see the importance of our maps and there
 are even voices saying it is much more something to keep mappers
 occupied than actual help.
 If I go deeper into online research on the impact of HOT, I can find
 some opinions here and there, but these are mostly very vague and based
 on few people's opinions.
 Is there more than "The maps helped a lot!" or "The maps could help in
 case xxx..." anywhere?
 Are there any quantitative data sets or any scientifically executed
 interviews?

 Keep mapping!

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Re: [HOT] Newbie support for Missing Maps

[Severin Menard]

Hi Ralph,

Thanks for the feedback, not sure ising for me as from my own experience
setting links with OSM contributors really improve their interest. I would
encourage you to do so during the mapping parties you join, and organizers
to seek for such mentors.

Sincerely

Severin
Le 8 nov. 2014 10:06, "AYTOUN RALPH"  a écrit :

> I have attended two Tuesday evening Missing Maps Mapathons so far.
>
> The problem with mapping is it's appearance. These newbies have seen the
> OpenStreetMap as it should look like, they have seen printed maps all
> neatly drawn with understandable colours and names telling them what things
> are. When they try to map from the imagery I see them making funny squiggly
> polygons for the shapes they see and then do not feel satisfied that they
> are capable of producing anything resembling the neat maps they know. Not
> everyone can interpret the image they are seeing and translate those
> details into the neat logical maps they are used to seeing.
>
> At the first Mapathon I roamed around the room looking at each person's
> work and gave assistance where I saw it was needed. Very few newbies
> actually asked for someone to come and help.
>
> The second one I set myself up at a table and introduced myself as an
> experienced mapper. I was amazed at the difference. Here they were calling
> me by name and continuously asking me to come and look at their work and
> explain what they were seeing or checking that they had done it correctly.
> I was amiss though, while I knew them by name I found that was not enough.
> When I got home and thought I could look at their work and encourage them I
> found the difficultythey are logged on with a user name and I had no
> way of knowing who was who, even accessing their profile does not give
> their actual name.
>
> May I suggest that a possible way forward would be to have a mentor at
> each table that is introduced to them by name, for that mentor to get each
> ones details and contact information and to remain in touch and encourage
> them to do more and help them to achieve the standard required to make them
> feel impressed with their own work. They would be more receptive to advice
> and guidance from a person they know than random unknown user names that
> invalidate their work. This may effectively tackle two problemsraising
> the standard of the new mappers and encouraging them to continue mapping.
>
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Re: [HOT] Task 611 Gaza completed (missing validation)

[Severin Menard]

This is really great we achieved this. For having contributed a bit myself,
I remember I had to correct the street network a lot on my tiles, so I
guess the validation is really mandatory, especially in such a dense urban
area, where the imagery is good but not that much for an area where the
buildings are so packed.

Sincerely,

Severin

On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 7:14 AM, Frederic Moine  wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> We can continue to work on the validation
>
> I have made some revert as sometime people deleted some roads or some
> points.  in this area for example http://osm.org/go/xtBszT_Q-
>
> I have contacted several contributors this morning to ask them to review
> their work before the validation.
>
> All the best FredM
>
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Re: [HOT] Activation Working Group meeting: postponing to next week?

[Severin Menard]

Hi all,

Just a reminder about the next AWG occurring this Tuesday 21st at 2PM UTC.

Sincerely,

Severin

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 3:03 PM, Banick, Robert 
wrote:

>  Hi Severin,
>
>
>
> I can’t make it, but don’t hold up the show for me.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Robert
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Severin Menard [mailto:severin.men...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 14, 2014 1:46 PM
> *To:* hot@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* [HOT] Activation Working Group meeting: postponing to next
> week?
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> My apologies: solving some personal admin issues, I forgot today was the
> day for the AWG monthly meeting.
>
> Is it OK to do it next week on Tuesday, same hour as usual, to compensate?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Severin
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Re: [HOT] Tasking Manager updated

[Severin Menard]

Hi Pierre,

Thanks for the updates.
I have a question about the next triage for the TM: when does the next one
happen? I added an ew feature request to be able to use the TM in contexts
or countries with low bandwidth without having to wait all the UI to load,
by downloading in JOSM only with URLs.

Sincerely,

Severin

On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Pierre GIRAUD 
wrote:

> Dear hotties,
>
> A new release (2.6.0) of the Tasking Manager has been deployed.
>
> https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/releases/tag/2.6.0
>
> Among the bug fixes or little improvements, this release's main goal
> is to prevent JOSM users to send the task boundary to OSM database
> even if ignore is set which may happen with recent versions of JOSM.
>
> JOSM users should now see a link to a GPX file right below the "Edit
> in JOSM" button. They're invited to download the given file and load
> it in their favorite editor.
>
> As always, please report any issue.
>
> Best wishes, happy mapping.
> Pierre
>
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Re: [HOT] Activation Working Group meeting: postponing to next week?

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

Next Tuesday, same hour as usual (2PM UTC).

Sincerely,

Severin
Le 15 oct. 2014 13:39, "Markware Software Services" <
markwaresoftw...@gmail.com> a écrit :

> Hi Guys, what date and time now?/ UTC?
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Mark Cupitt
>
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>
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>
> See me on LinkedIn <http://ph.linkedin.com/in/markcupitt>
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> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Nick Allen 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Severin,
>>
>> I wasn't available yesterday. I can't guarantee next week, but there is
>> more chance than there was for yesterday!
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Nick
>>
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>> On 14 Oct 2014 18:48, "Severin Menard"  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> My apologies: solving some personal admin issues, I forgot today was the
>>> day for the AWG monthly meeting.
>>> Is it OK to do it next week on Tuesday, same hour as usual, to
>>> compensate?
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
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[HOT] Activation Working Group meeting: postponing to next week?

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

My apologies: solving some personal admin issues, I forgot today was the
day for the AWG monthly meeting.
Is it OK to do it next week on Tuesday, same hour as usual, to compensate?

Sincerely,

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Re: [HOT] OSM malawi

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

Justin is one of the 7 HOT interns with whom we are setting OSM activities
in Malawi for the next six months.

Sincerely

Severin
Le 11 oct. 2014 20:43, "Heather Leson"  a écrit :

> HI Justin, thanks for joining!  Sev, Maning and Emir did some great work
> in Malawi. Did you connect with them?
>
> Please do tell us more about what you are working on.
>
> heather
>
> Heather Leson
> heatherle...@gmail.com
> Twitter: HeatherLeson
> Blog: textontechs.com
>
> On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Justin Temwani Ng'ambi <
> justinngambi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Sir(s)
>> I just want to let you know that am one of the OSM members from Malawi.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> JUSTIN NG'AMBI
>>
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Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian layer as an ArcGIS basemap?

[Severin Menard]

Hi Vivien,

Yes, since a couple of years or so, so it is useless they remain in the
Openlayers plug-in for QGIS, this is waht I wanted to say.

Sincerely,

Severin

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Vivien Deparday 
wrote:

> Hi Severin,
> Apparently Yahoo has shut down their maps API a while ago [0] [1]
> (September 2011) so it won't come back. The page suggest to use Nokia
> instead but it requires registration to use the API [2]
> Cheers,
>
> Vivien
>
> [0] https://developer.yahoo.com/maps/
> [1] https://developer.yahoo.com/maps/rest/V1/
> [2] http://developer.here.com/get-started
>
> On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 3:05 AM, Severin Menard 
> wrote:
>
>> Great! Are the Yahoo layers still available? I had already tried to
>> inform the pluginś developpers that it is not supported for years.
>>
>> Severin
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 12:39 AM, maning sambale <
>> emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Not really solving the problem in this thread, but, FYI, humanitarian
>>> style is now available directly in QGIS via OpenLayers Plugin [0].
>>>
>>> [0] http://hub.qgis.org/issues/11185
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Claire Halleux
>>>  wrote:
>>> > Hello,
>>> > I do personnally use QGIS for this kind of task and I think it is
>>> likely to
>>> > be the most useful and easy place for it, however this request was
>>> about
>>> > making it work using ArcGIS. So, thank you very much for all the
>>> instructive
>>> > tips, specially to Brad and Peter!
>>> >
>>> > Refreshing the cache within the application solved the issue of the
>>> > different (not matching) zoom levels.
>>> > As it seems that nobody hosts the humanitarian style OSM layer yet in
>>> a way
>>> > that it could be used, the GIS guys are back using the standard OSM
>>> basemap
>>> > for the urgent needs, but your suggestions will soon be tried too.
>>> >
>>> > Best,
>>> >
>>> > Claire
>>> >
>>> > Claire Halleux
>>> > Volunteer and Member of the Board
>>> > +243 99 256 9980 (Kinshasa, DRC)
>>> > Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
>>> >
>>> > http://www.hotosm.org/
>>> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2014_DRC_Ebola_Response
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 5:59 AM, Peter Chin 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi  Claire,
>>> >>
>>> >> I can add OSM layers in my arcgis online account. You'll need to have
>>> an
>>> >> arcgis online account and then login at maps.arcgis.com, then in
>>> your Arcgis
>>> >> home page, click on My Content, then click "Create Map", then
>>> >> in the top left corner click "Add", Add layer from Web, and choose "A
>>> WMS
>>> >> OGC Web Service", then enter a valid WMS/Web map service OGC URL.
>>> >>
>>> >> There are a few free OSM WMS Servers. One is
>>> >> http://129.206.228.72/cached/osm?
>>> >> which is hosted by the folks at osm-wms.de m(Univ. of Hiedleberg).
>>> When
>>> >> you've entered http://129.206.228.72/cached/osm? click "Add" and
>>> you'll get
>>> >> a basic OSM base map (not the OSM Humanitarian layer) but a basic OSM
>>> base
>>> >> map.
>>> >>
>>> >> You should be able to find other free WMS OGC servers of OpenStreetMap
>>> >> base layers at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WMS If you're
>>> stuck, send
>>> >> me a private email message and I'll see if I can help some more.
>>> >> If you want the HOT style basemap, you'll need to request that the WMS
>>> >> providers add this basemap to their hosting service.
>>> >>
>>> >> Best Regards,
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Peter Chin
>>> >> Canadian Red Cross Volunteer
>>> >> E-mail: peter.c...@redcross.ca
>>> >> www.redcross.ca | www.croixrouge.ca
>>> >> Canadian Red Cross Shelter Cluster Project:
>>> >> www.sheltercluster.org/Asia/Philippines/Pages/default.aspx
>>> >>
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>>>
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Re: [HOT] Tasking Manager V2 and Project Managers rights

[Severin Menard]

If limiting the number of TM Project Managers is due to server constraints,
this is something we can upgrade. Regarding managing the list of projects,
it is also can be made through a tagging system we have been discussing
about recently. "Community projects" could the ben easily grouped. I am not
sure is the tagging would be able to lead these new jobs to another
instanciation if we think it would make sense to have another one (same
URl, another URL?)

Regarding promoting new TM creators (=Project Managers) it makes senses to
increase their number for the advantages a M job represents and the fact it
is not yet used as it could. As I guess there may be some stats about PM
(how many jobs already created), it could be interesting to suggest to a
new promoted one to start by creating a TM job test, eg on the dev
instance.

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Pierre Béland  wrote:

> Other then trying to control the increasing number of administrators there
> are instanciations options possible.
>
> We could have two instanciations of HOT, one for HOT itself, one for other
> organizations. Plus there is always the possibility for any organization to
> host it's own Task Manager copy.
>
> An instanciation system like the Ushahidi Crowdmap could be implemented.
>
> This way, the list of projects would be more manageable.
>
>
> Pierre
>
>   ----------
>  *De :* Kate Chapman 
> *À :* Severin Menard 
> *Cc :* "hot@openstreetmap.org" 
> *Envoyé le :* Mardi 7 octobre 2014 9h06
> *Objet :* Re: [HOT] Tasking Manager V2 and Project Managers rights
>
> Hi Severin,
>
> I think this is the sort of thing where it would be helpful for the
> activation working group to provide some guidance. There was previously an
> issue when every admin could make anyone else an admin. The idea was to
> have a select group of people that can make project managers. How to use
> this software feature in the community interactions is a different issue
> though. Just meaning I think it would make sense to have a small group of
> people that can be contacted to make tasks. They could then decide if they
> were going to make the tasks themselves for example in a situation where
> someone really wasn't going to regularly need to use the Tasking Manager or
> if someone should be made a project manager to manage things themselves.
>
> Best,
>
> -Kate
>
> On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Severin Menard 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Seems nobody answered to this email. I would be interested to discuss
> about it, and know about the current way to add new project managers, I
> have sincerely no clue what is the process and when it has been discussed
> within the community. Sorry if I missed the thread, would be kind to
> provide the link to the documentation about this, I am regularly asked
> about this topic and cannot answer.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Severin
>
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Severin Menard  > wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Sorry to get back very late on this discussion; I renamed the thread.
>
> As actually the administrator(s) do not know the potential new Project
> Managers, this will not change much the potential issues (that were people
> creating consecutive bad TM jobs, or something else?).
> I propose that the Project Managers still promote new Project Managers,
> but now would briefly introduce the people they promoted to the HOT
> community, and following these people would introduce themselves to the
> community (and could take the opportunity to put this description on their
> OSM profile) and explain what areas (can be from national down to
> neighborhood scale) their future TM jobs would cover. Would be a good way
> to know better who does what and where. And if a new Project Manager spoils
> the TM and complicates the Administrators tasks, the latter will be able
> to ask the promoters (easy to find in the email archive who they are) to
> teach their nominees.
> Thoughts?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Severin
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Mikel Maron 
> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Yes, there were acknowledged issues with the previous permissions system.
> There are administrators, who can change user permissions; and project
> managers, who can create jobs. We should discuss how to manage this now, in
> the Activation Working Group perhaps. For the time being, contact an
> administrator (pgiraud only for the moment) to add new project managers.
>
> -Mikel
>
> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>
>
>   On Thursday, July 17, 2014 7:18 AM, Severin Menard <
> severin.men...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> What is the new governance regarding Job creation rig

Re: [HOT] Tasking Manager V2 and Project Managers rights

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

Seems nobody answered to this email. I would be interested to discuss about
it, and know about the current way to add new project managers, I have
sincerely no clue what is the process and when it has been discussed within
the community. Sorry if I missed the thread, would be kind to provide the
link to the documentation about this, I am regularly asked about this topic
and cannot answer.

Sincerely,

Severin

On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Severin Menard 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Sorry to get back very late on this discussion; I renamed the thread.
>
> As actually the administrator(s) do not know the potential new Project
> Managers, this will not change much the potential issues (that were people
> creating consecutive bad TM jobs, or something else?).
> I propose that the Project Managers still promote new Project Managers,
> but now would briefly introduce the people they promoted to the HOT
> community, and following these people would introduce themselves to the
> community (and could take the opportunity to put this description on their
> OSM profile) and explain what areas (can be from national down to
> neighborhood scale) their future TM jobs would cover. Would be a good way
> to know better who does what and where. And if a new Project Manager spoils
> the TM and complicates the Administrators tasks, the latter will be able
> to ask the promoters (easy to find in the email archive who they are) to
> teach their nominees.
> Thoughts?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Severin
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Mikel Maron 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Yes, there were acknowledged issues with the previous permissions system.
>> There are administrators, who can change user permissions; and project
>> managers, who can create jobs. We should discuss how to manage this now, in
>> the Activation Working Group perhaps. For the time being, contact an
>> administrator (pgiraud only for the moment) to add new project managers.
>>
>> -Mikel
>>
>> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>>
>>
>>   On Thursday, July 17, 2014 7:18 AM, Severin Menard <
>> severin.men...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> What is the new governance regarding Job creation rights? Seems the
>> former admins - now project managers cannot extend the rights of job
>> creations to peers they find skilled enough to make them. Were there issues
>> in the past with this cooptation system?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Severin
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Marcos Oliveira <
>> marcosoliveira.2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Good job Pierre!
>>
>> One question: Now that it's possible, where can we go to work on
>> translating the OSM Tasking Manager?
>>
>>
>> 2014-07-17 11:55 GMT+01:00 Marcos Oliveira > >:
>>
>> Good job Pierre!
>>
>> One question: Where can we go to work on translating the OSM Tasking
>> Manager?
>>
>>
>> 2014-07-17 11:44 GMT+01:00 Pierre Béland :
>>
>> Thanks Pierre
>>
>> a lot of new improvements, including translation in various languages, a
>> greater image, the possibility for public in general to see a task without
>> being connected.
>>
>> For the image link, people are forced to click to see the image license
>> before they can see the image link. This even if this is a public license.
>>
>> For the page layout, we are loosing the page layout options with html
>> tag. This is an important regression, this in the middle of the Ebola
>> Activation. Any rapid solution for this? As I said many times, we need this
>> to better emphasize various aspects and make a better presentation.
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>>
>>
>>
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Re: [HOT] OSM humanitarian layer as an ArcGIS basemap?

[Severin Menard]

Great! Are the Yahoo layers still available? I had already tried to inform
the pluginś developpers that it is not supported for years.

Severin

On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 12:39 AM, maning sambale 
wrote:

> Not really solving the problem in this thread, but, FYI, humanitarian
> style is now available directly in QGIS via OpenLayers Plugin [0].
>
> [0] http://hub.qgis.org/issues/11185
>
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Claire Halleux
>  wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I do personnally use QGIS for this kind of task and I think it is likely
> to
> > be the most useful and easy place for it, however this request was about
> > making it work using ArcGIS. So, thank you very much for all the
> instructive
> > tips, specially to Brad and Peter!
> >
> > Refreshing the cache within the application solved the issue of the
> > different (not matching) zoom levels.
> > As it seems that nobody hosts the humanitarian style OSM layer yet in a
> way
> > that it could be used, the GIS guys are back using the standard OSM
> basemap
> > for the urgent needs, but your suggestions will soon be tried too.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Claire
> >
> > Claire Halleux
> > Volunteer and Member of the Board
> > +243 99 256 9980 (Kinshasa, DRC)
> > Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
> >
> > http://www.hotosm.org/
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2014_DRC_Ebola_Response
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 5:59 AM, Peter Chin 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi  Claire,
> >>
> >> I can add OSM layers in my arcgis online account. You'll need to have an
> >> arcgis online account and then login at maps.arcgis.com, then in your
> Arcgis
> >> home page, click on My Content, then click "Create Map", then
> >> in the top left corner click "Add", Add layer from Web, and choose "A
> WMS
> >> OGC Web Service", then enter a valid WMS/Web map service OGC URL.
> >>
> >> There are a few free OSM WMS Servers. One is
> >> http://129.206.228.72/cached/osm?
> >> which is hosted by the folks at osm-wms.de m(Univ. of Hiedleberg).
> When
> >> you've entered http://129.206.228.72/cached/osm? click "Add" and
> you'll get
> >> a basic OSM base map (not the OSM Humanitarian layer) but a basic OSM
> base
> >> map.
> >>
> >> You should be able to find other free WMS OGC servers of OpenStreetMap
> >> base layers at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WMS If you're stuck,
> send
> >> me a private email message and I'll see if I can help some more.
> >> If you want the HOT style basemap, you'll need to request that the WMS
> >> providers add this basemap to their hosting service.
> >>
> >> Best Regards,
> >>
> >>
> >> Peter Chin
> >> Canadian Red Cross Volunteer
> >> E-mail: peter.c...@redcross.ca
> >> www.redcross.ca | www.croixrouge.ca
> >> Canadian Red Cross Shelter Cluster Project:
> >> www.sheltercluster.org/Asia/Philippines/Pages/default.aspx
> >>
> >
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>
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Re: [HOT] HOT-Exports job deprecation policy update

[Severin Menard]

Hi Drazen,

We need to save some jobs eg at national scales whatever their activity,
because they represent an historic of OSM data over the time. Case at least
in CAR, Malawi and I guess other countries.
I think jobs should be tagged, and one tag would identify such jobs. I add
this in the agenda for the next TWG meeting.

Sincerely,

Severin

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Dražen Odobašić 
wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hi all,
>
> we recently updated and implemented [0] on the hot-exports service. The
> hot_purge_exports cron job for the 'hot' user will run every Saturday at
> 01:00.
>
> The deprecation script will purge any job marked as 'deleted' after 30
> days of
> inactivity. Purging deletes every record from the database and removes
> exported files. The second part of job deprecation script marks every job
> as
> deleted if there were no new runs in the last 180 days, effectively
> setting it
> up for the purging. Job owners have 30 days to 'undelete' the job and
> create a
> new run, which will suppress purging and deprecation policy.
>
> This will effectively remove, at the moment, 3430 jobs and their runs, for
> example take a look at [1]. Unless 'undeleted' jobs will be purged on 11.
> 10.
> 2014.
>
>
> Dražen
>
> [0] https://github.com/hotosm/hot-exports/issues/70
> [1] http://export.hotosm.org/en/jobs?deleted=y¬owner=y&page=14
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Re: [HOT] Activation Working Group: draft of the Terms of Reference (TORs) to be reviewed

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

Just a reminder that the next AWG meeting will occur tomorrow Tuesday at
14UTC. Last minutes can be found there:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Working_groups/Activation/meeting_2014-08-12

Please for those interested, read and comments the TORs attached:
https://hackpad.com/HOT-AWG-Activation-Working-Group-Terms-of-reference-8EFvmXXzU68

Sincerely,

Severin

On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Severin Menard 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> During the last AWG on IRC, we finalized a first draft for the AWG Terms
> of Reference.
>
> Please find the document here for comments and suggestions:
> https://hackpad.com/HOT-AWG-Activation-Working-Group-Terms-of-reference-8EFvmXXzU68
>
> If everyone agrees (or rather if anyone disagrees), we will be able to
> adopt it during the next AWG meeting - what would not prevent any further
> modification in the future if the community feels it necessary.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Severin
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[HOT] URGENT: HOT Exports is down or full

[Severin Menard]

Hi,


I have been alerted about the fact HOT Exports does not allow to create new
jobs anymore.

Eg with http://export.hotosm.org/en/jobs/8784


State Download Created At Created Byerror in osm2pgsql 2014-09-04 21:30
>From the past, this happens when the server storage is full. Can a tech
with admin rights please solve this?

Sincerely,

Severin
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[HOT] HOT Tasking Manager: missing a frontpage by projects

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

The current front page of the Tasking Manager v2 looks like a lot to the
v1, with a search bar and an automatic ranking. The default one is no more
the creation date, but the priority .

Actually, this way of presenting the projects is quite messy and make
invisible everything that is no high or urgent (and IMHO it is complicated
to make the difference between high and urgent when it deals with a deep
humanitarian crisis, between population killed by such epidemic or another,
civil war or was between two states), like the development or preparedness
projects. Some crisis related projects are also quickly going in the bottom
where few mappers will go and dig.
Thus anybody has no clear idea about the ongoing projects and many
contributing opportunities are missed.

IMHO, the front page should present (at least) these categories:
- Priority tasks for those who would like to go to the current front page
- Crisis Activations
- Crisis support (or a better expression related what is not under an
'official" HOT Activation but relates to a crisis, like the Tharparkar
Drought this year),
- Disaster Preparedness
- Development projects
- Humanitarian organization requests (that actually can crosscut other
categories)
- Community driven projects (for those made by local OSM communities)

All those categories would lead to a page where the projects have one slot
each, then the child pages would list the different jobs related to each of
them.

Having a tagging system of jobs would facilitate such page presentation.
Thoughts?

Sincerely,

Severinb
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[HOT] HOT Exports: time gap with the OSM Database

[Severin Menard]

Hi,

Is there a way to know the time gap between HOT Exports and the OSM
database? When the service had been created in 2012, it was a few minutes,
if I am not wrong. Seems this is more than that now, what could be a
blocker for potential partners.

Sincerely,

Severin
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