Re: address space

2005-09-06 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 21:09:14 -0700 mary george [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

:Can anyone tell me where I can find clear explanations and difference between 
the following:
 
:1. Home address
:2.Primary address
:3.Secondary address

POPs (for some values of clear).

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Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?

2005-09-06 Thread Dave Cartwright
John,
Have you tried it under WINE? I have not myself worked with WINE, I just
know how to spell it.

Dave



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John,
 Always enjoy your posts!
Have you considered buying VMWare for Linux and running (a licensed copy
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It's attractive because (i) you can run any windows app (ii) and if that
app insists on an older version of Windows, install that version of
windows into a VM and bob's your uncle (iii) it is just S-O C-O-O-L

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Re: address space

2005-09-06 Thread ibm-main
From: Binyamin Dissen
 
 POPs (for some values of clear).

You sadistic bastard ...   ;-)
Maybe the Extended Addressability Guide might be a better starting point.

Shane ...

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Re: 64-bit Virtual Questions

2005-09-06 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/02/2005
   at 03:06 PM, Michael Cleary [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

What I am trying to test before having a crisis or outage is how TMON
and RMF can be used to easily identify 64-bit virtual users who are
impacting the system.

Impacting the system how? You need enough local paging to cover all of
your address and data spaces, whether they are a few big ones or lots
of smaller ones. Similarly, you need enough real storage to hold your
working set, regardless of how it is distributed.

Certainly a large space will chew up more in page tables than a small
one will, but why would you expect a 16 GiB space to chew up more than
16 1 GiB spaces?
 
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Re: Add a web link for Katrina Relief efforts

2005-09-06 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/02/2005
   at 11:29 AM, Brad Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Here is a link anyone can add to their web pages, blogs, and emails

I would advise anyone in a position to assist to check that the funds
would actually go to the relief effort. There are a lot of criminals
out there exploiting the victims, either with totally phony rescue
funds or by skimming money off the top. If you want your money to go
to a specific organization, it's safest to send the money directly to
that organization.

Does anyone know whether, e.g., FEMA, has a list of legitimate NO
relief organizations?
 
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Re: Alternate Sysres (Previously One more about SYRES Sharing

2005-09-06 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/03/2005
   at 03:21 PM, Terry Sambrooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

The phrase alternate sysres is a part of my culture, or at least was
up to March 1999. The maintenance philosophy dictated that our main
system volumes operated in pairs. The active set and a maintenance
set. The maintenance set would receive all changes, which required an
IPL to be implemented, and once a month the IPL would occur off the
maintenance set. If the IPL ran smoothly the maintenance volumes
became the active set, and the previous active set became the new
maintenance set. The next maintenance cycle beginning with a clone to
refresh the new maintenance set from the current active set.

As part of that process I always ran a regression test and also froze
maintenance until production had been running on the new service level
for a reasonable period of time.
 
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Re: Disaster Declarations due to Katrina

2005-09-06 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/03/2005
   at 09:17 AM, Clark Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Acutally as a disaster recovery specialist (business continuity)
pointed out, you don't need the HR running.  All you need is a manual
way to cut advance checks based on paper records. 

In a flood scenario, many if not all of the paper records will have
been destroyed.
 
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Re: DUMP Datasets and SMS

2005-09-06 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 09/04/2005
   at 12:00 AM, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

ICF came out with either XA or SP1.3.x.

Much earlier; it came with DF/EF. Fortunately I missed out on *that*
horror show.
 
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Re: DUMP Datasets and SMS

2005-09-06 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/04/2005
   at 04:42 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

It seems to me that sending the dump as an Email Attachment as 
opposed to an FTP would solve this issue of having to monitor the 
FTP. 

No; it would almost certainly exceed size limits every step of the way
and would be less reliable to boot.

There is an option to define the Attachment as EXTERNAL (ie: Not 
included in the Message itself so there is no need to spool it at
the  Sending and Receiving Ends).

Not in SMTP there isn't.

What happens is that the transmission of 
the Attachment is delayed until final delivery at which point an 
automatic FTP-Type session is performed to do the transfer.

From what to what? You seem to be describing some sort of ad hoc setup
that requires control over the software at both ends.
 
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Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?

2005-09-06 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on
09/05/2005
   at 01:59 PM, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Is there such a beastie? I would really prefer to have a z/OS based,
or even Linux based version of this utility.

I'd love a Linux version.
 
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Re: Finding XCF transport class users

2005-09-06 Thread ibm-main
From: Knutson, Sam

 One of the things Mark explained during his talk was that he took
everything
 he normally reviews during a health checkup or performance review for a
 customer and got them to put it in Health Checker.  So running the free
 health checker is getting the best practices review from the guy who owns
 the code.

And a very amenable guy he is too.
I recall having some concerns about the recommendations out of H/C.
So Mark and I had a chat after his presentation. We got dragged (kicking and
screaming in protest) off to a eatery that proclaimed it had the most beers
on tap. *IN THE WORLD* - or something like that anyway ...
Nett result was that the discussion never progressed very far.

Several beers remained untasted ...

Shane ...

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Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?

2005-09-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) said:

 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 07:55:28 -0300
 
 I'd love a Linux version.
 
Linux for what hardware platform?  z/Series?  Power PC?  SPARC?
Other (specify)?  I'd hope portable for all.

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Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?

2005-09-06 Thread Jay Maynard
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 06:47:27AM -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
 In a recent note, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) said:
  I'd love a Linux version.
 Linux for what hardware platform?  z/Series?  Power PC?  SPARC?
 Other (specify)?  I'd hope portable for all.

Heck, I'd settle for a Java version that wasn't tied to the Windows
platform, IBM is not about to do anything for Mac OS X specifically, but
a platform-independent Java version (you know, what Java was supposed to be
all about) woul let me run it there anyway.

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Re: DUMP Datasets and SMS

2005-09-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) said:

 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 07:47:24 -0300
 
 In [log in to unmask], on 09/03/2005
at 10:47 PM, Ed Gould [log in to unmask] said:
 
 IBM should provide, IMO, a error free (or almost) way of
 transmitting dumps.
 
 They had one: Info/Access. They dropped it.
 
 IBMlink allowed an NJE connection as a transport mechanism. Perhaps
 NJE over TCP/IP will make that a desirable option again.
 
I don't understand the architecture here.  Is SNA a layer under NJE?
How about VTAM?

Why has TCP/IP so surpassed SNA?  Superficially, I see absence of
DNS as a major deficiency.  Lack of DNS replicates, rather than
distributing, administrative burdens; requiring routing tables at
each node.  Has that been a major obstacle?  At one point, I
believe IBM tried to establish a registry and wedge a sort of
hierarchial name space into 8 characters.  Did that succeed?

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Re: When was an alias [been] defined ?

2005-09-06 Thread john gilmore

Romain,

ALIAS is a binder control statement.  The date on which the current instance 
of an alias was created is thus almost always the date (and time) on which 
the binder produced the program object that has that alias for its principal 
(USS) or some (MVS) entry point.


These comments apply mutatis mutandis to linkage-editor processing.

The HLASM also has a [misnamed] ALIAS statement, the function of which is to 
replace traditional short by, typically, long external names; but you appear 
to have the Binder control statement in mind.


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Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?

2005-09-06 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 07:52:46 -0500, Jay Maynard wrote:

  I'd love a Linux version.
 Linux for what hardware platform?  z/Series?  Power PC?  SPARC?
 Other (specify)?  I'd hope portable for all.

Heck, I'd settle for a Java version that wasn't tied to the Windows
platform, IBM is not about to do anything for Mac OS X specifically, but
a platform-independent Java version (you know, what Java was supposed to be
all about) woul let me run it there anyway.

 - Java; write once, run nowhere.
I tried the (Linux) reader a while back, and it went to hell in a handbasket
- didn't like the Blackdown JRE I had installed IIRC.

Yet another instance to re-enforce my dis-enchantment with the abject
con-job that is Java.

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Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?

2005-09-06 Thread Jay Maynard
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 08:03:57AM -0500, Shane Ginnane wrote:
 I tried the (Linux) reader a while back, and it went to hell in a handbasket
 - didn't like the Blackdown JRE I had installed IIRC.

Ah, yes, I'd forgotten there was a Linux version. I brought up a Red Hat
system after discovering that's what it wanted (platform independent? Ha.),
and it did indeed run. That doesn't do me any good, though, and writing
Linux-dependent Java is as wrong-headed as writing Windows-dependent Java.

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Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?

2005-09-06 Thread McKown, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fenner, Jim
 Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 7:43 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?
 
 
 John,
   Always enjoy your posts!
 Have you considered buying VMWare for Linux and running (a 
 licensed copy
 of) Windows under Linux as an application?
 It's attractive because (i) you can run any windows app (ii) 
 and if that
 app insists on an older version of Windows, install that version of
 windows into a VM and bob's your uncle (iii) it is just S-O 
 C-O-O-L
 
 Jim
 

I already have a PC dedicated to Windows (a low powered PC). VMWare
actually costs more than that PC did. However, I have used VMWare and
agree that it is nice. Having multiple PCs is no problem to me. I have a
LAN and a KVM switch to switch my keyboard/mouse between PCs. I also
have used VNC to have access to my Windows system on my Linux system, if
I am being too lazy to push the KVM button grin. However, for personal
reasons, I would prefer to be totally off of Windows. I know that I will
never get to that point due to our wonderful LAN people designing web
applications which demand .NET in order to use them. I am trying to get
MONO on Linux to do these functions, but it is not there yet (probably
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Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?

2005-09-06 Thread McKown, John
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 John,
 Have you tried it under WINE? I have not myself worked with 
 WINE, I just
 know how to spell it.
 
 Dave

Yes, I tried WINE. The install failed with many error messages.

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Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?

2005-09-06 Thread Jay Maynard
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 07:07:39AM -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
 In a recent note, Jay Maynard said:
  Heck, I'd settle for a Java version that wasn't tied to the Windows
  platform, IBM is not about to do anything for Mac OS X specifically, but
 Because OS X abandoned the Power PC?  (In turn because the Power PC
 ceased to meet the requirements of laptops)

Pretty much, yeah. I'd be greatly surprised if IBM went out of its way to do
anything at all for Apple in the future (not like it did before, but...).

  a platform-independent Java version (you know, what Java was supposed to be
  all about) woul let me run it there anyway.
 Does the subjunctive mean you perceive Java has failed to meet its
 objective?  Has Java become platform-sensitive, outcome of lawsuits
 notwithstanding?

Java itself is not platform-sensitive (AFAIK); IBM's software, however, is.

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Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?

2005-09-06 Thread Thomas Kern
A source RPM for Linux, then I could build the binaries on my RedHat laptop, my
Novell Linux Desktop workstation, my SLES9x server on the z/890 etc.

/Tom Kern

--- Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a recent note, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) said:
 
  Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 07:55:28 -0300
  
  I'd love a Linux version.
  
 Linux for what hardware platform?  z/Series?  Power PC?  SPARC?
 Other (specify)?  I'd hope portable for all.
 
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Re: When was an alias [been] defined ?

2005-09-06 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:02:07 + john gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

:ALIAS is a binder control statement.  The date on which the current instance 
:of an alias was created is thus almost always the date (and time) on which 
:the binder produced the program object that has that alias for its principal 
:(USS) or some (MVS) entry point.

:These comments apply mutatis mutandis to linkage-editor processing.

:The HLASM also has a [misnamed] ALIAS statement, the function of which is to 
:replace traditional short by, typically, long external names; but you appear 
:to have the Binder control statement in mind.

As the question mentioned:

LISTCAT ALIAS ENTRIES(aliasname) ALL 

it is clear he is referring to a CATALOG alias.

There does not appear to be a date.

I tried a 

   listc cat(master.catalog) creation()

and it displayed all the aliases, and only the aliases (and, no, they were not
created 20+ years ago).

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Re: Disaster Declarations due to Katrina

2005-09-06 Thread Bill Fairchild
 
In a message dated 9/6/2005 7:01:33 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/02/2005
at 06:05 PM, Bill Fairchild [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

It  all depends on the fine  print in one's contract.

No. A  contract term in violation of law is null and void.
 
True in a court where common sense abounds.  Untrue in  some courts where 
reality abounds, and where law is often skewed  by expensive lawyers and a 
corruptible judiciary.  “In  theory, there is no difference between theory and 
practice.  In practice there is.” [Yogi  Berra]  Just because the law says 
that 
X is so does not mean X will  predictably happen.  Lawyers argue over fine 
print.  That's what  they do.  Sometimes the violation of law is very 
difficult to determine  even when no incentives have been paid or  promised.

Whether it is fortunate or unfortunate depends  on one's side in the 
argument over responsibility.

I must admit to  a prejudice in favor of employees being paid for services  
rendered.
 
I have the same prejudice NOW, since my income is solely from being an  
employee.  However, retirees often live on proceeds from investments  made 
years 
ago in publicly owned corporations whose main responsibility BY LAW  is to 
their 
stockholders and NOT to their employees.  This law, which we  must be very 
careful not to violate, is the main reason why corporations have  become so 
predatory and soulless in recent years.  Someday much of  my income will be 
from 
such investments, and then I will be living off the  rapine of CEOs whose 
prejudice will be the opposite of what mine is now.
 
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Re: When was an alias [been] defined ?

2005-09-06 Thread Wayne Driscoll
John,
My reading of the original post related to catalog aliases, not load module
aliases.  The only way I could think to track catalog alias creation would
be to process the SMF records cut by a catalog update.  After the fact, I
don't see any indication of the creation date.
Wayne Driscoll
Product Developer
Western Metal Supply
NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own.
  

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Romain,

ALIAS is a binder control statement.  The date on which the current instance
of an alias was created is thus almost always the date (and time) on which
the binder produced the program object that has that alias for its principal
(USS) or some (MVS) entry point.

These comments apply mutatis mutandis to linkage-editor processing.

The HLASM also has a [misnamed] ALIAS statement, the function of which is to
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to have the Binder control statement in mind.

John Gilmore

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Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?

2005-09-06 Thread Jay Maynard
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 08:31:37AM -0500, McKown, John wrote:
 Being the original questioner, I will say that anything I might write
 for the Librarian functionality would probably be written in Perl.
 Perl is fairly transportable. However, I am likely to end up using
 modules from CPAN for utility functions (such an ftp and http
 functions). I don't know how portable the various CPAN modules are. It
 most likely varies greatly.

PLEASE don't use CPAN. You think DLL hell is a problem on Windows? You ain't
seen nothing yet.

You might take a look at Python, which includes a lot of the things that you
need to go to CPAN to get for Perl in its standard distribution.

 Parsing up these files should be so simple that even I could write a
 program to do it. But the legalities stymie me. I'm a coward, I guess.

No, I don't think you are. IBM's lawyers are justifiably feared.

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Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?

2005-09-06 Thread McKown, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Maynard
 Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 8:36 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?
 
 
 On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 08:31:37AM -0500, McKown, John wrote:
  Being the original questioner, I will say that anything I 
 might write
  for the Librarian functionality would probably be written in Perl.
  Perl is fairly transportable. However, I am likely to end up using
  modules from CPAN for utility functions (such an ftp and http
  functions). I don't know how portable the various CPAN 
 modules are. It
  most likely varies greatly.
 
 PLEASE don't use CPAN. You think DLL hell is a problem on 
 Windows? You ain't
 seen nothing yet.

I use CPAN for some things, but not extensively. Only for one project
and I have had no problems so far. he said fearlessly

 
 You might take a look at Python, which includes a lot of the 
 things that you
 need to go to CPAN to get for Perl in its standard distribution.

Well, I like Perl. I have also used Python in the past and think well of
it as well. Hum, perhaps I should use this as a learning experience
for Ruby. I will refrain from using GCC or Java (although Java is not
really too bad). I guarantee that I will __not__ even consider writing
it in APL (yes, I have an APL on Linux) grin. I was wanting something
fairly portable. Perl exists on almost every UNIX in the known universe,
as well as Windows and MAC OS/X. I do not know know if Python or Ruby
has such an extensive reach.

If I wanted to be UNIX specific, I could possibly even use standard
utilities in a shell script. (wget is so nice for fetching stuff via
http and ftp).

 
  Parsing up these files should be so simple that even I could write a
  program to do it. But the legalities stymie me. I'm a 
 coward, I guess.
 
 No, I don't think you are. IBM's lawyers are justifiably feared.
 

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Quotation (was: Re: Disaster Declarations due to Katrina)

2005-09-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Bill Fairchild said:

 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:26:32 EDT
 
 corruptible judiciary.  In  theory, there is no difference between theory and
 practice.  In practice there is. [Yogi  Berra]
 
This bears an erudition uncharacteristic of Yogi.  Wikiquote:

   Linkname: Jan L. A. van de Snepscheut - Wikiquote
URL: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jan_L._A._van_de_Snepscheut

... cites Prof.Dr. Edsger W.  Dijkstra as attributing it (unverifiably)
to Jan L. A. van de Snepscheut.

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true.
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Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?

2005-09-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Jay Maynard said:

 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:36:28 -0500
 
 On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 08:31:37AM -0500, McKown, John wrote:
  Parsing up these files should be so simple that even I could write a
  program to do it. But the legalities stymie me. I'm a coward, I guess.
 
 No, I don't think you are. IBM's lawyers are justifiably feared.
 
There's a TC page at:

   Linkname: z/OS and OS/390 Internet Library terms and conditions
URL: 
http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/zos/bkserv/license.html

Which states, first and foremost:

   The z/OS and OS/390 Internet libraries are intended for use by IBM's
   z/Architecture and S/390 customers; other usages are prohibited.

Deep links that bypass that page abound in the WWW.  There are plenty
in the archives of this list.

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Re: unicode

2005-09-06 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 11:10:55 -0500, Brian Peterson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Please read the ++ HOLD DDDEF text in PTF UA07794.

snip

Jim,  I hope you don't routinely ignore HOLDDATA when applying
maintenance!  Even DOC holds sometimes contain actions (even
though they should not by definition).   Very few holds can
be ignored (for example, IPL when you know you are applying
maintenance to a target sysres that has to be IPLed in order to
use it).


but there is still no reference as to what it is used for.

The PTF added support to initialize / load a usable pre-customized
UNICODE environment if one doesn't exist at IPL time for DB2.  This
saves you the trouble of defining all the conversions.  However,
if you require unicode you may want to create your own conversion
image anyway as the pre-configured image size is something
like 39M and is fixed storage.   Depending on the size of
your system(s) that may be a nit or it could be an issue.
I think the size of our customized image is only around 1M.

Search the archives for more.

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Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?

2005-09-06 Thread Jay Maynard
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 08:50:16AM -0500, McKown, John wrote:
 I guarantee that I will __not__ even consider writing it in APL (yes, I
 have an APL on Linux) grin.

Really? I assume it uses an X window to display in. Is it freely available?

 I was wanting something fairly portable. Perl exists on almost every UNIX
 in the known universe, as well as Windows and MAC OS/X. I do not know know
 if Python or Ruby has such an extensive reach.

I can't speak to Ruby, but Python does.

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Re: DUMP Datasets and SMS

2005-09-06 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 9/6/2005 7:02:24 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Much  earlier; it came with DF/EF. Fortunately I missed out on *that*
horror  show.




Almost as bad as it's partner in crime SP 1.2! Think it lasted almost a  week 
before the damage assessments started rolling in
and SP 1.3 was announced.

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Re: Quotation (was: Re: Disaster Declarations due to Katrina)

2005-09-06 Thread Bill Fairchild
 
In a message dated 9/6/2005 9:09:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

In  theory, there is no difference between theory and
  practice.  In practice there is. [Yogi  Berra]
 
This  bears an erudition uncharacteristic of Yogi.   Wikiquote:

Linkname: Jan L. A. van de Snepscheut -  Wikiquote
URL:  http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jan_L._A._van_de_Snepscheut

... cites  Prof.Dr. Edsger W.  Dijkstra as attributing it (unverifiably)
to Jan  L. A. van de Snepscheut.





I thought about adding attibuted to to that quote, then unfortunately  
decided not to.  One can always be safe in attributing nearly any quote to  
nearly 
anyone.  I even spoke this quote once in a technical presentation as  a joke, 
without attribution, and long before I thought it had been said by  Yogi 
Berra (which it might well have been).  Anyone who heard me say that  could 
then 
correctly attribute it to me.  And so on.  This, of course,  is a sophomoric 
yet fertile way to weasel out of my error and many such future  errors.
 
Thanks for the correction.
 
Bill Fairchild

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Re: unicode

2005-09-06 Thread Jim McAlpine
Mark, no I don't ignore HOLDDATA but I must admit I missed that one. My fine 
toothed comb obviously needs to be renewed. I've actually already configured 
and implemented a UNICODE image so I'll just apply the ptf and stop there.
 Thanks
 Jim McAlpine

 On 9/6/05, Mark Zelden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 
 On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 11:10:55 -0500, Brian Peterson
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Please read the ++ HOLD DDDEF text in PTF UA07794.
 
 snip
 
 Jim, I hope you don't routinely ignore HOLDDATA when applying
 maintenance! Even DOC holds sometimes contain actions (even
 though they should not by definition). Very few holds can
 be ignored (for example, IPL when you know you are applying
 maintenance to a target sysres that has to be IPLed in order to
 use it).
 
 
 but there is still no reference as to what it is used for.
 
 The PTF added support to initialize / load a usable pre-customized
 UNICODE environment if one doesn't exist at IPL time for DB2. This
 saves you the trouble of defining all the conversions. However,
 if you require unicode you may want to create your own conversion
 image anyway as the pre-configured image size is something
 like 39M and is fixed storage. Depending on the size of
 your system(s) that may be a nit or it could be an issue.
 I think the size of our customized image is only around 1M.
 
 Search the archives for more.
 
 Mark
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Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?

2005-09-06 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:50:16 -0500, McKown, John wrote:

 You might take a look at Python, which includes a lot of the
 things that you
 need to go to CPAN to get for Perl in its standard distribution.

Well, I like Perl. I have also used Python in the past and think well of
it as well.

I'm with Jay - I picked up Python as a quick proto-typer. Very impressed,
especially with wxPython giving access to the wxWindows widget set.
I find Python has some limitation with it's sockets implementation, but of
course you can overload that in need.
All up a (generally) nice solution.

Shane ...

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Re: Access to the SHARE requirements database

2005-09-06 Thread John Laubenheimer
Ed ...

   Each project handled the merge of the GUIDE requirements in their own
fashion.  I can only speak for MVS Storage requirements, since I was the
coordinator at that time.  (And, even though I am Manager of Requirements
for SHARE right now, I can't answer what happened to all of the GUIDE
requirements, since I didn't have this position at that time.)  The MVSS
project still has 46 GUIDE requirements in ACTIVE status.  81 of the GUIDE
storage requirements were retired, either because they were rejected by
IBM, announced or available in some form, voted down by project membership
or considered non-strategic by a requirements review committee (i.e., no
way was IBM going to do this, no matter what we thought).

   SHARE still view the requirements process as important, and is
currently in the process of trying to revitalize it.  We welcome new
requirements from SHARE members.  But, the process doesn't work well
without the participation of the SHARE community.  Register for the
requirements system; participate in the discussion (it's all carried out
on-line via a browser interface); and, most important, VOTE (again, on-
line via a browser interface).  Requirements is the primary method of
influencing IBM's direction, so, please, PARTICIPATE!

John

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Re: DUMP Datasets and SMS

2005-09-06 Thread Jon Brock
One tip for those trying batch FTP for the first time: make sure your ISPF EDIT 
parms are set correctly (NUM OFF, I think) so that your line numbers do not 
make gobbledygook of your commands.  With that done, I have never had a problem 
with batch FTP: it works fine and usually runs at a very good clip.

Jon


snip

It's trivial. Here is JCL I used a couple of weeks ago to send a dump to 
IBM:

//FTP2MVS  JOB 1,JAFFE,CLASS=A,MSGCLASS=T,NOTIFY=SYSUID
// EXEC PGM=FTP,REGION=64M,TIME=NOLIMIT,PARM='(EXIT'
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSINDD *
 testcase.boulder.ibm.com
 anonymous
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 cd mvs/toibm
 mkdir 91690
 cd 91690
 bin
 put PMR91690.D050811.DUMP0C4.TRSD
 quit
//

As you can see, I like to upload into my own subdirectory (in this case 
91690). Others prefer to upload dumps directly into mvs/toibm/.
/snip 

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Re: address space

2005-09-06 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on
09/05/2005
   at 09:09 PM, mary george [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Can anyone tell me where I can find clear explanations and difference
between the following:

Any unit of work is associated with an address space called the home
address space. MVS initially gives a unit of work control with the
control registers for primary and secondary pointing to the home
address space. There is a mode bit controlling whether to resolve
addresses[1] using the primary or secondary address space.

The old cross-memory services relied on setting the secondary address
space, moving data with cross-memory instructions and switching
between primary and secondary modes. With the advent of AR mode, the
old mechanisms are anachronisms that are present only for
compatibility with old code.

I'd advise you to read up on AR mode in PoOps and the Addressability
Guide, and to just skim the descriptions of primary and secondary.

[1] Except for cross-memory instructions and instructions in AR mode
that specify a non-zero AR number.
 
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Re: VSMLIST OWNCOMM DETAIL

2005-09-06 Thread Greg Dyck
 DB2 open PK10031 and close it with the following comment:

snip

 This apar is being closed USE ( user error ). Users should

 not be using MVS service aid information as a basis for direct

 commands against storage. The actual reporting of DB2 storage

 as 'orphaned' is considered an inaccuracy in the service aid

 reporting or monitor display itself and not a code error in DB2.

snip

Roland, the response is both right and wrong. It is right in stating that

owner gone status is service aid information and not an absolute to be

relied upon, but wrong that it should not **eventually** be fixed. I do not

think fixing this in an APAR is appropriate, but *do* think it should have

been closed as SUG and fixed in the next release. I will get that done, but

keep in mind that all that will happen is that the storage will become

system owned.

Greg

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Re: DUMP Datasets and SMS

2005-09-06 Thread Ron and Jenny Hawkins
Like toss another shrimp on the bar-b... What's the @#$% a shrimp? Sound
likes Hoges was comin' the raw prawn in more ways than one.

 
 From: Eric Bielefeld
 
  I love your Australian sayings.  Is this one common?  I've never heard
  it before.
 
 Bills response is close enough to be usable - espicially the cat's  meow
 bit.
 I wouldn't countenance any variant spelling of Aus.
 
 Due to the insidious spread of  American (as in USA) TV, the Australian
 idiom is quickly disappearing.
 
 Shane ...
 

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Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?

2005-09-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
However, I have seen considerable discussion over the last couple of years
in which a desire for a version for Linux has been mentioned.

So far, I have observed no response out of IBM.

...

Has anybody made a request?
IBM doesn't usually troll the various discussion lists for requirements.
-teD

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All others bring data!
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Re: When was an alias [been] defined ?

2005-09-06 Thread Gray, Larry - Larry A
If you have different aliases for different applications/projects, it
would be a reference when the application was first set up.  That is of
course assuming you have not built new mastercats and such.

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I'm struggling to think of a reason that it would be
important/interesting to know when a dataset alias was created?

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Re: VSMLIST OWNCOMM DETAIL

2005-09-06 Thread Knutson, Sam
Hi Greg,

Is there a reason this cannot be tied to a DB2 address space that will clean
it up when it terminates?

The APAR even said 

 This occurs because the MVS service
  aid tracking is done based on the HOME ASID at the time of the
  GETMAIN.  In actuality, the storage gotten is being tracked and
  managed by the corresponding DB2 PRIMARY ASID.

It seemed that DB2 could just do the STORAGE OBTAIN and specify
OWNER=PRIMARY if that is what they wanted ownership to reflect.

,OWNER=HOME 
,OWNER=PRIMARY 
,OWNER=SECONDARY 
,OWNER=SYSTEM

Specifies the entity to which the system will assign ownership of requested
CSA, ECSA, SQA, and ESQA
 storage. The system uses this ownership information to track the use of
CSA, ECSA, SQA and ESQA 
 storage. This parameter can have one of the following values: 
 
 HOME The home address space
 PRIMARY The primary address space 
 SECONDARY The secondary address space 
 SYSTEM The system (the storage is not associated with an address space);
specify this value if you expect the requested storage to remain allocated
after termination of the job that obtained the storage. 
 
 The default value is OWNER=HOME. The system ignores the OWNER keyword
unless you specify a CSA, ECSA, SQA, or ESQA subpool on the SP parameter. 
 Storage tracking is available as of MVS/SP release 4.3. However, programs
that issue the STORAGE OBTAIN macro with the OWNER parameter can run on any
MVS system from MVS/SP 3.1 to the current release.
 

It really seems like the owner should be a real DB2 address space and not a
DB2 monitor and not SYSTEM which should be reserved for things like SRB
pools, resource managers, etc. owned by components that don't have an
address space and live in every space in the system where they are
invoked.
 
Thanks,

Sam Knutson, GEICO
Performance and Availability Management
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Greg Dyck
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 12:12 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: VSMLIST OWNCOMM DETAIL

 DB2 open PK10031 and close it with the following comment:

snip

 This apar is being closed USE ( user error ). Users should

 not be using MVS service aid information as a basis for direct

 commands against storage. The actual reporting of DB2 storage

 as 'orphaned' is considered an inaccuracy in the service aid

 reporting or monitor display itself and not a code error in DB2.

snip

Roland, the response is both right and wrong. It is right in stating that

owner gone status is service aid information and not an absolute to be

relied upon, but wrong that it should not **eventually** be fixed. I do not

think fixing this in an APAR is appropriate, but *do* think it should have

been closed as SUG and fixed in the next release. I will get that done, but

keep in mind that all that will happen is that the storage will become

system owned.

Greg



 
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Re: VSMLIST OWNCOMM DETAIL

2005-09-06 Thread Schiradin,Roland HG-Dir itb-db/dc
Tnx Greg, I always just ask for a FIN APAR. 
*System owned is much better then Batch Job owner gone. 


Roland


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 DB2 open PK10031 and close it with the following comment:

snip

 This apar is being closed USE ( user error ). Users should

 not be using MVS service aid information as a basis for direct

 commands against storage. The actual reporting of DB2 storage

 as 'orphaned' is considered an inaccuracy in the service aid

 reporting or monitor display itself and not a code error in DB2.

snip

Roland, the response is both right and wrong. It is right in 
stating that

owner gone status is service aid information and not an absolute to be

relied upon, but wrong that it should not **eventually** be 
fixed. I do not

think fixing this in an APAR is appropriate, but *do* think it 
should have

been closed as SUG and fixed in the next release. I will get 
that done, but

keep in mind that all that will happen is that the storage will become

system owned.

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Re: DUMP Datasets and SMS

2005-09-06 Thread Edward E. Jaffe

Paul Gilmartin wrote:


I don't understand the architecture here.  Is SNA a layer under NJE?
How about VTAM?
 



SNA is indeed a lower layer than NJE. VTAM is a subsystem that 
implements SNA (e.g., LU2, LU6.2) and non-SNA (e.g., LU0) under z/OS, 
z/VM, and z/VSE -- not a protocol.



Why has TCP/IP so surpassed SNA?



SNA is/was proprietary while TCP/IP is/was open.

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Re: DUMP Datasets and SMS

2005-09-06 Thread Jay Maynard
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 10:47:36AM -0700, Edward E. Jaffe wrote:
 Why has TCP/IP so surpassed SNA?
 SNA is/was proprietary while TCP/IP is/was open.

This is half of it. The other half is that SNA is designed for a world where
computing power is concentrated in a few central hosts, while TCP/IP is
designed for a world where everything on the network has some level of
computing power. SNA assumes that the user is sitting in front of a dumb
terminal and wants to use an application on a central machine. TCP/IP
assumes that one user's terminal may be another's application host.

SNA's assumptions were valid for the 1970s and 1980s. TCP/IP's are valid for
the modern environment. In a way, IBM itself, by legitimizing the concept of
the personal computer, helped to create the conditions that made SNA less
than relevant.

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Re: DUMP Datasets and SMS

2005-09-06 Thread Ted MacNEIL
ICF came out with either XA or SP1.3.x.

Much earlier; it came with DF/EF. Fortunately I missed out on *that*
horror show.
...

I remember it was between NOV81  AUG84.
Because that was my first job as a perf/cap analyst, and we had to 'evaluate' 
the effect of changing.
Our departmental high level alias and all our TSO userids were the first ones 
put into an ICF Catalogue.
We were not XA, so it had to be SE or SP.

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DFSORT - what am I doing wrong?

2005-09-06 Thread McKown, John
I have a set of 5 tapes containing SMF data. Unfortuantely, tape 4 is
unreadable. So, I want to take the readable information from tapes
1,2,3, and 5 and use it to create another set of tapes. I am using
DFSORT with the OPTION SPANINC=RC0 and listing the volumes in the
VOL=SER= for SORTIN. I get an RC=16 and the following output:

quote
ICE143I 0 BLOCKSET COPY  TECHNIQUE SELECTED
ICE000I 1 - CONTROL STATEMENTS FOR 5740-SM1, DFSORT REL 14.0 - 21:58 ON
SUN SEP 04, 2005 -
   OPTION SPANINC=RC0
   SORT FIELDS=(COPY)
ICE201I 0 RECORD TYPE IS V - DATA STARTS IN POSITION 5
ICE193I 0 ICEAM1 ENVIRONMENT IN EFFECT - ICEAM1 INSTALLATION MODULE
SELECTED
ICE088I 0 TSH009XX.STEP1   ., INPUT LRECL = 32767, BLKSIZE =
27998, TYPE = VBS
ICE093I 0 MAIN STORAGE = (MAX,4194304,4194304)
ICE156I 0 MAIN STORAGE ABOVE 16MB = (4077877,4077877)
ICE127I 0 OPTIONS: OVFLO=RC0 ,PAD=RC0 ,TRUNC=RC0 ,SPANINC=RC0
,VLSCMP=N,SZERO=Y,RESET=Y,VSAMEMT=Y,DYNSPC=256
ICE128I 0 OPTIONS:
SIZE=4194304,MAXLIM=1048576,MINLIM=450560,EQUALS=N,LIST=Y,ERET=RC16
,MSGDDN=SYSOUT
ICE129I 0 OPTIONS: VIO=N,RESDNT=ALL ,SMF=NO
,WRKSEC=Y,OUTSEC=Y,VERIFY=N,CHALT=N,DYNALOC=N ,ABCODE=MSG
ICE130I 0 OPTIONS: RESALL=4096,RESINV=0,SVC=109
,CHECK=Y,WRKREL=Y,OUTREL=Y,CKPT=N,STIMER=Y,COBEXIT=COB1
ICE131I 0 OPTIONS:
TMAXLIM=4194304,ARESALL=0,ARESINV=0,OVERRGN=65536,CINV=Y,CFW=Y,DSA=0
ICE132I 0 OPTIONS: VLSHRT=N,ZDPRINT=N,IEXIT=N,TEXIT=N,LISTX=N,EFS=NONE
,EXITCK=S,PARMDDN=DFSPARM ,FSZEST=N
ICE133I 0 OPTIONS: HIPRMAX=OPTIMAL,DSPSIZE=0
,ODMAXBF=0,SOLRF=Y,VLLONG=N,VSAMIO=N
ICE084I 0 EXCP ACCESS METHOD USED FOR SORTOUT
ICE084I 0 EXCP ACCESS METHOD USED FOR SORTIN
ICE141A 2 SPANNED RECORD ON SORTIN   COULD NOT BE ASSEMBLED
ICE052I 0 END OF DFSORT
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Re: DFSORT - what am I doing wrong?

2005-09-06 Thread Frank Yaeger
John McKown wrote on 09/06/2005 11:17:11 AM:

 I have a set of 5 tapes containing SMF data. Unfortuantely, tape 4 is
 unreadable. So, I want to take the readable information from tapes
 1,2,3, and 5 and use it to create another set of tapes. I am using
 DFSORT with the OPTION SPANINC=RC0 and listing the volumes in the
 VOL=SER= for SORTIN. I get an RC=16 and the following output:

 quote
 ICE143I 0 BLOCKSET COPY  TECHNIQUE SELECTED
 ICE000I 1 - CONTROL STATEMENTS FOR 5740-SM1, DFSORT REL 14.0 - 21:58 ON
 SUN SEP 04, 2005 -
OPTION SPANINC=RC0
SORT FIELDS=(COPY)
 ICE201I 0 RECORD TYPE IS V - DATA STARTS IN POSITION 5
 ICE193I 0 ICEAM1 ENVIRONMENT IN EFFECT - ICEAM1 INSTALLATION MODULE
 SELECTED
 ICE088I 0 TSH009XX.STEP1   ., INPUT LRECL = 32767, BLKSIZE =
 27998, TYPE = VBS
 ICE093I 0 MAIN STORAGE = (MAX,4194304,4194304)
 ICE156I 0 MAIN STORAGE ABOVE 16MB = (4077877,4077877)
 ICE127I 0 OPTIONS: OVFLO=RC0 ,PAD=RC0 ,TRUNC=RC0 ,SPANINC=RC0
 ,VLSCMP=N,SZERO=Y,RESET=Y,VSAMEMT=Y,DYNSPC=256
 ICE128I 0 OPTIONS:
 SIZE=4194304,MAXLIM=1048576,MINLIM=450560,EQUALS=N,LIST=Y,ERET=RC16
 ,MSGDDN=SYSOUT
 ICE129I 0 OPTIONS: VIO=N,RESDNT=ALL ,SMF=NO
 ,WRKSEC=Y,OUTSEC=Y,VERIFY=N,CHALT=N,DYNALOC=N ,ABCODE=MSG
 ICE130I 0 OPTIONS: RESALL=4096,RESINV=0,SVC=109
 ,CHECK=Y,WRKREL=Y,OUTREL=Y,CKPT=N,STIMER=Y,COBEXIT=COB1
 ICE131I 0 OPTIONS:
 TMAXLIM=4194304,ARESALL=0,ARESINV=0,OVERRGN=65536,CINV=Y,CFW=Y,DSA=0
 ICE132I 0 OPTIONS: VLSHRT=N,ZDPRINT=N,IEXIT=N,TEXIT=N,LISTX=N,EFS=NONE
 ,EXITCK=S,PARMDDN=DFSPARM ,FSZEST=N
 ICE133I 0 OPTIONS: HIPRMAX=OPTIMAL,DSPSIZE=0
 ,ODMAXBF=0,SOLRF=Y,VLLONG=N,VSAMIO=N
 ICE084I 0 EXCP ACCESS METHOD USED FOR SORTOUT
 ICE084I 0 EXCP ACCESS METHOD USED FOR SORTIN
 ICE141A 2 SPANNED RECORD ON SORTIN   COULD NOT BE ASSEMBLED
 ICE052I 0 END OF DFSORT
 /quote

John,

The ICE141A indicates that there's a record or records in the data set that
cannot be properly assembled or discarded even when SPANINC=RC0 is in
effect.  The possible situations for this are given in z/OS DFSORT
Messages, Codes and Diagnosis Guide as:

* A segment length was greater than the LRECL.
* A segment length was less than 4 bytes.
* The total length of segments was greater than the LRECL.
* Segments are blocked incorrectly for VBS data sets (that is, a first and
a last segment are in the same block).

Frank Yaeger - DFSORT Team (IBM)
 Specialties: ICETOOL, IFTHEN, OVERLAY, Symbols, Migration
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LPARS, HSMplex and GRS

2005-09-06 Thread Pagnotta, Pam
Hello,

We are new to LPARs, HSMplex, and GRS, and I have some questions.

First, some background: We will be running z/OS 1.6 in one LPAR and z/OS.e
1.6 in a second LPAR. We will be running each system in MONOPLEX mode, we
will not be sharing the master catalogs, and running a GRS Ring. Our
intention is to run DFSMShsm on both systems with the automatic functions
done from z/OS.e, only. I have created one ARCCMDxx member that will be used
by both and coded ONLYIF statements for all automatic commands.

Questions:

1.  The RES Vols for each system have duplicate datasets, is there a
concern having one system do the automatic backups on the RES vols for both
systems? How does HSM keep track of where a dataset was backed up from?

2.  I am having a problem understanding all of the GRS RNLs.
Specifically, those related to HSM, so any help there would be much
appreciated.

3.  The last concern is the RNLs needed for both shared catalogs and
non-shared catalogs.

Thanks so much for any and all advice,

Pam Pagnotta
U.S. Department of Energy/ RS Information Systems, Inc.
 

   

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FTP from ZOS

2005-09-06 Thread McGee, Cletus
I have a need to encrypt the data that we will be sending out into the
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Re: DUMP Datasets and SMS

2005-09-06 Thread Edward E. Jaffe

Jay Maynard wrote:


On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 10:47:36AM -0700, Edward E. Jaffe wrote:
 


Why has TCP/IP so surpassed SNA?
 


SNA is/was proprietary while TCP/IP is/was open.
   



This is half of it. The other half is that SNA is designed for a world where
computing power is concentrated in a few central hosts, while TCP/IP is
designed for a world where everything on the network has some level of
computing power. SNA assumes that the user is sitting in front of a dumb
terminal and wants to use an application on a central machine.



IBM addressed these issues long ago woth HPR/APPN support.


TCP/IP
assumes that one user's terminal may be another's application host.
 



Same with modern (at least since the late 1980s / early 1990s) SNA.

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Re: FTP from ZOS

2005-09-06 Thread Mendelson, Eric
Try PGP from Mcafee. We have it and it works with any platform

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Re: Finding XCF transport class users

2005-09-06 Thread Gil Peleg
Thanks, Sam. I have run the Health Checker.
One of the exceptions it detects is having PATHOUTs defined without an 
associated CLASS definition.
As explained in my first posting, we have 3 CLASSDEFs with GROUP(UNDESIG) 
defined.
In the RMF XCF activity report I can see requests delivered in all transport 
classes, not only in the default class.
 Since this is the case, why is it recommended (in IBM literature and by the 
Health Checker) to associate a CLASS with each PATHOUT definition?
And why is it that I can see requests delived in all transport classes even 
though none of them are defined explicitly to a PATHOUT?
 Thanks,
Gil.

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Re: address space

2005-09-06 Thread Craddock, Chris
 
 Can anyone tell me where I can find clear explanations and difference
 between the following:
 
 1. Home address
 2.Primary address
 3.Secondary address

Each address space is identified by a 16 bit number called the address
space identifier (ASID.) It is used by hardware during the translation
process and MVS also uses it as an index in various tables such as the
ASVT.

All jobs, started tasks, TSO sessions, Unix processes etc, have exactly
one address space each and from each job's perspective its known as the
HOME address space (HASN.) Ok. All done with that thought. An address
space is an address space. No more or less. 

Now, The System/370 introduced the concept of synchronous cross memory
services as a way to provide 24-bit constraint relief as well as some
horizontal scalability and functional isolation. Cross-memory services
allow you to switch control of a running program over into another
address space (a cross-memory server address space) to access
functionality and/or data in that space. 

In S/370 and later, the address space where the instructions are being
fetched from (executed) is known as the PRIMARY address space (PASN.)
The architecture originally allowed for data movement between the
PRIMARY address space and a SECONDARY address space (SASN.) ESA changed
that, but the terminology and usage were well established before then.

When a job starts, the home address space is also the primary AND the
secondary address space. You often see this written down as
PASN=SASN=HASN. When a space switch happens the primary and/or secondary
address space is changed to point to another address space.

The switch is caused by executing a space-switching PC instruction
and/or a set-secondary SSAR instruction. A privileged (server)
application first has to use cross-memory services to set up PC entry
tables for PC instructions to be used by its clients. When a client
program issues a PC instruction, the hardware uses these tables to
figure out what address space and state to run in. 

After a PC switch into another address space, that address space
becomes the PRIMARY address space. So at that point, PASN=SERVER, and
HASN is whatever it was originally. The HASN -never- changes, but SASN
may or may not change at the same time as PASN. It depends whether
SASN=HASN, or SASN=PASN. Later the cross-memory server code switches
back to the original caller's address space by issuing a PT or PR
instruction and you're back where you started.

It's more complex than that, but close enough for a 50,000' view. It's
all written down in POPs, but if you don't have much of an internals
background it may as well be written in Latin.

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Re: address space

2005-09-06 Thread Mark Zelden

 Can anyone tell me where I can find clear explanations and difference
 between the following:

 1. Home address
 2.Primary address
 3.Secondary address


On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:32:31 -0500, Craddock, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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a very good explanation which I snipped

In addition to what Chris wrote and the IBM manuals already mentioned,
you may want to check out Chris' presentation from SHARE in N.Y.
Session 2829 - z/OS Virtual Storage Mystery Tour (new  improved
for 64-bit operation).

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Re: address space

2005-09-06 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:32:31 -0500 Craddock, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

:In S/370 and later, the address space where the instructions are being
:fetched from (executed) is known as the PRIMARY address space (PASN.)
:The architecture originally allowed for data movement between the
:PRIMARY address space and a SECONDARY address space (SASN.) ESA changed
:that, but the terminology and usage were well established before then.

If I recall correctly, instruction fetch in secondary mode depended on the CPU
model. 

Some would instruction fetch from the primary address space and others would
fetch from the secondary.

IBM manuals stated that code running in secondary mode had to be in common
storage.

Also, IIRC, Amdahl machines always fetched from primary.

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Re: address space

2005-09-06 Thread Jay Maynard
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 11:27:12PM +0300, Binyamin Dissen wrote:
 If I recall correctly, instruction fetch in secondary mode depended on the CPU
 model. 
 Some would instruction fetch from the primary address space and others would
 fetch from the secondary.
 IBM manuals stated that code running in secondary mode had to be in common
 storage.

ISTR this was because the answer wasn't specified in the POO when the
machines that implementd the feature were being developed, and so the POO
was changed to make it model-dependent because two systems were implemented
differently and couldn't be changed to be consistent. Am I correct, or is
there a parity check in that block?

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Re: address space

2005-09-06 Thread Craddock, Chris
Jay said;
 On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 11:27:12PM +0300, Binyamin Dissen wrote:
  If I recall correctly, instruction fetch in secondary mode depended
on
 the CPU
  model.
  Some would instruction fetch from the primary address space and
others
 would
  fetch from the secondary.
  IBM manuals stated that code running in secondary mode had to be in
 common
  storage.
 
 ISTR this was because the answer wasn't specified in the POO when the
 machines that implementd the feature were being developed, and so the
POO
 was changed to make it model-dependent because two systems were
 implemented
 differently and couldn't be changed to be consistent. Am I correct, or
is
 there a parity check in that block?

You're right. Prior to MVS/XA it was unpredictable (i.e. model
dependent) which address space instructions would be fetched from in
secondary space mode. XA nailed that down so that instructions were
always fetched from the primary address space. Then ESA came along with
home space mode...

For all programs other than some deep dark places in the BCP, you can
assume instructions are fetched from primary. Period.

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Re: VSMLIST OWNCOMM DETAIL

2005-09-06 Thread Greg Dyck
 Tnx Greg, I always just ask for a FIN APAR.
 *System owned is much better then Batch Job owner gone.

FIN must *only* be used for an APAR which IBM is prepared to ship the code
via service.  Any customer may request a new APAR be opened to ship the fix
for a FIN APAR.

The only accepable closing codes for changes that are not appropriate to be
shipped in the service stream is SUG or PRS.

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Re: address space

2005-09-06 Thread Edward E. Jaffe

Craddock, Chris wrote:



 


Can anyone tell me where I can find clear explanations and difference
between the following:

1.Home address
2.Primary address
3.Secondary address
   



Each address space is identified by a 16 bit number called the address
space identifier (ASID.) It is used by hardware during the translation
process and MVS also uses it as an index in various tables such as the
ASVT.
 


[loads of great info snipped]

A simplified way to answer the OP's question as stated:
1) A home address is one that is resolved by the region/segment/page 
tables described by control register 13.
2) A primary address is one that is resolved by the region/segment/page 
tables described by control register 1.
3) A secondary address is one that is resolved by the 
region/segment/page tables described by control register 7.
Usually home=primary=secondary. The home address space is always that 
which is dispatched by the operating system. Various instructions (e.g., 
PC, SSAR, etc.) are used to change the primary or secondary address 
space to other than home.


POP explains the concepts in detail. Extended Addressability Guide does 
a good job as well. Whether the explanations are clear is subjective and 
depends entirely on how well you understand z/Architecture.


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Re: VSMLIST OWNCOMM DETAIL

2005-09-06 Thread Greg Dyck
 Is there a reason this cannot be tied to a DB2 address space that will
clean
 it up when it terminates?
snip

Some of the global storage can be obtained *before* switching to a DB2 owned
address space so there is no way to show it owned by DB2 as would be
desired.  The same issue exists for MQ obtained storage so the options are
limited.
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Re: When was an alias [been] defined ?

2005-09-06 Thread Perryman, Brian
Nah.. Not convinced..!
 
RACF profiles? ACF/2 rules? Oh and erm, CHANGE CONTROL documentation..!!!??




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About CPU assumption of HSM migration

2005-09-06 Thread Wang Rong
Hi all,

Does anyone know the CPU assumption of HSM level1/2 migration? If
possible can anyone provide some data to show this?

Thanks!

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Re: When was an alias [been] defined ?

2005-09-06 Thread Ed Gould

On Sep 6, 2005, at 8:02 AM, john gilmore wrote:


Romain,

ALIAS is a binder control statement.  The date on which the current 
instance of an alias was created is thus almost always the date (and 
time) on which the binder produced the program object that has that 
alias for its principal (USS) or some (MVS) entry point.


These comments apply mutatis mutandis to linkage-editor processing.


John,

ALIAS is in the context a IDCAMS issue. ie DEFINE ALIAS(name(google) 
releate(usercat) ) ca(mastercat)



This is from memory son any typos please forgive.

Ed

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Re: address space

2005-09-06 Thread Ed Gould

On Sep 6, 2005, at 2:32 PM, Craddock, Chris wrote:



-SNIP-

It's more complex than that, but close enough for a 50,000' view. It's
all written down in POPs, but if you don't have much of an internals
background it may as well be written in Latin.

CC



Chris,

Write a book that explains POPS (in your spare time) I am sure many 
copies will be sold:)


Ed

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Re: DUMP Datasets and SMS

2005-09-06 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 07:42 -0300 on 09/06/2005, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote about 
Re: DUMP Datasets and SMS:



In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/04/2005
   at 04:42 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:


It seems to me that sending the dump as an Email Attachment as
opposed to an FTP would solve this issue of having to monitor the
FTP.


No; it would almost certainly exceed size limits every step of the way
and would be less reliable to boot.


Since the Attachment is defined as External, it does not get uploaded 
to the SMTP Server and thus does not travel with the message.





There is an option to define the Attachment as EXTERNAL (ie: Not
included in the Message itself so there is no need to spool it at
the  Sending and Receiving Ends).


Not in SMTP there isn't.


Try checking out http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2046.html [RFC 2046 - 
Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (MIME) Part Two: Media Types] 
section 5.2.3 External-Body Subtype.





What happens is that the transmission of
the Attachment is delayed until final delivery at which point an
automatic FTP-Type session is performed to do the transfer.


From what to what? You seem to be describing some sort of ad hoc setup
that requires control over the software at both ends.


By the receiving MUA when it accepts the message. Check out the above 
section and the following example sections.




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