Re: address space
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 21:09:14 -0700 mary george [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :Can anyone tell me where I can find clear explanations and difference between the following: :1. Home address :2.Primary address :3.Secondary address POPs (for some values of clear). -- Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?
John, Have you tried it under WINE? I have not myself worked with WINE, I just know how to spell it. Dave On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:42:58 +1000, Fenner, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, Always enjoy your posts! Have you considered buying VMWare for Linux and running (a licensed copy of) Windows under Linux as an application? It's attractive because (i) you can run any windows app (ii) and if that app insists on an older version of Windows, install that version of windows into a VM and bob's your uncle (iii) it is just S-O C-O-O-L Jim -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: address space
From: Binyamin Dissen POPs (for some values of clear). You sadistic bastard ... ;-) Maybe the Extended Addressability Guide might be a better starting point. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: 64-bit Virtual Questions
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/02/2005 at 03:06 PM, Michael Cleary [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: What I am trying to test before having a crisis or outage is how TMON and RMF can be used to easily identify 64-bit virtual users who are impacting the system. Impacting the system how? You need enough local paging to cover all of your address and data spaces, whether they are a few big ones or lots of smaller ones. Similarly, you need enough real storage to hold your working set, regardless of how it is distributed. Certainly a large space will chew up more in page tables than a small one will, but why would you expect a 16 GiB space to chew up more than 16 1 GiB spaces? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Add a web link for Katrina Relief efforts
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/02/2005 at 11:29 AM, Brad Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Here is a link anyone can add to their web pages, blogs, and emails I would advise anyone in a position to assist to check that the funds would actually go to the relief effort. There are a lot of criminals out there exploiting the victims, either with totally phony rescue funds or by skimming money off the top. If you want your money to go to a specific organization, it's safest to send the money directly to that organization. Does anyone know whether, e.g., FEMA, has a list of legitimate NO relief organizations? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Alternate Sysres (Previously One more about SYRES Sharing
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/03/2005 at 03:21 PM, Terry Sambrooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The phrase alternate sysres is a part of my culture, or at least was up to March 1999. The maintenance philosophy dictated that our main system volumes operated in pairs. The active set and a maintenance set. The maintenance set would receive all changes, which required an IPL to be implemented, and once a month the IPL would occur off the maintenance set. If the IPL ran smoothly the maintenance volumes became the active set, and the previous active set became the new maintenance set. The next maintenance cycle beginning with a clone to refresh the new maintenance set from the current active set. As part of that process I always ran a regression test and also froze maintenance until production had been running on the new service level for a reasonable period of time. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Disaster Declarations due to Katrina
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/03/2005 at 09:17 AM, Clark Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Acutally as a disaster recovery specialist (business continuity) pointed out, you don't need the HR running. All you need is a manual way to cut advance checks based on paper records. In a flood scenario, many if not all of the paper records will have been destroyed. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DUMP Datasets and SMS
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/04/2005 at 12:00 AM, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: ICF came out with either XA or SP1.3.x. Much earlier; it came with DF/EF. Fortunately I missed out on *that* horror show. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DUMP Datasets and SMS
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/04/2005 at 04:42 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: It seems to me that sending the dump as an Email Attachment as opposed to an FTP would solve this issue of having to monitor the FTP. No; it would almost certainly exceed size limits every step of the way and would be less reliable to boot. There is an option to define the Attachment as EXTERNAL (ie: Not included in the Message itself so there is no need to spool it at the Sending and Receiving Ends). Not in SMTP there isn't. What happens is that the transmission of the Attachment is delayed until final delivery at which point an automatic FTP-Type session is performed to do the transfer. From what to what? You seem to be describing some sort of ad hoc setup that requires control over the software at both ends. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/05/2005 at 01:59 PM, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Is there such a beastie? I would really prefer to have a z/OS based, or even Linux based version of this utility. I'd love a Linux version. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Finding XCF transport class users
From: Knutson, Sam One of the things Mark explained during his talk was that he took everything he normally reviews during a health checkup or performance review for a customer and got them to put it in Health Checker. So running the free health checker is getting the best practices review from the guy who owns the code. And a very amenable guy he is too. I recall having some concerns about the recommendations out of H/C. So Mark and I had a chat after his presentation. We got dragged (kicking and screaming in protest) off to a eatery that proclaimed it had the most beers on tap. *IN THE WORLD* - or something like that anyway ... Nett result was that the discussion never progressed very far. Several beers remained untasted ... Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?
In a recent note, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) said: Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 07:55:28 -0300 I'd love a Linux version. Linux for what hardware platform? z/Series? Power PC? SPARC? Other (specify)? I'd hope portable for all. -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 06:47:27AM -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote: In a recent note, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) said: I'd love a Linux version. Linux for what hardware platform? z/Series? Power PC? SPARC? Other (specify)? I'd hope portable for all. Heck, I'd settle for a Java version that wasn't tied to the Windows platform, IBM is not about to do anything for Mac OS X specifically, but a platform-independent Java version (you know, what Java was supposed to be all about) woul let me run it there anyway. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DUMP Datasets and SMS
In a recent note, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) said: Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 07:47:24 -0300 In [log in to unmask], on 09/03/2005 at 10:47 PM, Ed Gould [log in to unmask] said: IBM should provide, IMO, a error free (or almost) way of transmitting dumps. They had one: Info/Access. They dropped it. IBMlink allowed an NJE connection as a transport mechanism. Perhaps NJE over TCP/IP will make that a desirable option again. I don't understand the architecture here. Is SNA a layer under NJE? How about VTAM? Why has TCP/IP so surpassed SNA? Superficially, I see absence of DNS as a major deficiency. Lack of DNS replicates, rather than distributing, administrative burdens; requiring routing tables at each node. Has that been a major obstacle? At one point, I believe IBM tried to establish a registry and wedge a sort of hierarchial name space into 8 characters. Did that succeed? -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: When was an alias [been] defined ?
Romain, ALIAS is a binder control statement. The date on which the current instance of an alias was created is thus almost always the date (and time) on which the binder produced the program object that has that alias for its principal (USS) or some (MVS) entry point. These comments apply mutatis mutandis to linkage-editor processing. The HLASM also has a [misnamed] ALIAS statement, the function of which is to replace traditional short by, typically, long external names; but you appear to have the Binder control statement in mind. John Gilmore _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?
On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 07:52:46 -0500, Jay Maynard wrote: I'd love a Linux version. Linux for what hardware platform? z/Series? Power PC? SPARC? Other (specify)? I'd hope portable for all. Heck, I'd settle for a Java version that wasn't tied to the Windows platform, IBM is not about to do anything for Mac OS X specifically, but a platform-independent Java version (you know, what Java was supposed to be all about) woul let me run it there anyway. - Java; write once, run nowhere. I tried the (Linux) reader a while back, and it went to hell in a handbasket - didn't like the Blackdown JRE I had installed IIRC. Yet another instance to re-enforce my dis-enchantment with the abject con-job that is Java. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 08:03:57AM -0500, Shane Ginnane wrote: I tried the (Linux) reader a while back, and it went to hell in a handbasket - didn't like the Blackdown JRE I had installed IIRC. Ah, yes, I'd forgotten there was a Linux version. I brought up a Red Hat system after discovering that's what it wanted (platform independent? Ha.), and it did indeed run. That doesn't do me any good, though, and writing Linux-dependent Java is as wrong-headed as writing Windows-dependent Java. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fenner, Jim Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 7:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian? John, Always enjoy your posts! Have you considered buying VMWare for Linux and running (a licensed copy of) Windows under Linux as an application? It's attractive because (i) you can run any windows app (ii) and if that app insists on an older version of Windows, install that version of windows into a VM and bob's your uncle (iii) it is just S-O C-O-O-L Jim I already have a PC dedicated to Windows (a low powered PC). VMWare actually costs more than that PC did. However, I have used VMWare and agree that it is nice. Having multiple PCs is no problem to me. I have a LAN and a KVM switch to switch my keyboard/mouse between PCs. I also have used VNC to have access to my Windows system on my Linux system, if I am being too lazy to push the KVM button grin. However, for personal reasons, I would prefer to be totally off of Windows. I know that I will never get to that point due to our wonderful LAN people designing web applications which demand .NET in order to use them. I am trying to get MONO on Linux to do these functions, but it is not there yet (probably due to my ignorance). -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer UICI Insurance Center Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its' content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Cartwright Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 3:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian? John, Have you tried it under WINE? I have not myself worked with WINE, I just know how to spell it. Dave Yes, I tried WINE. The install failed with many error messages. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer UICI Insurance Center Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its' content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 07:07:39AM -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote: In a recent note, Jay Maynard said: Heck, I'd settle for a Java version that wasn't tied to the Windows platform, IBM is not about to do anything for Mac OS X specifically, but Because OS X abandoned the Power PC? (In turn because the Power PC ceased to meet the requirements of laptops) Pretty much, yeah. I'd be greatly surprised if IBM went out of its way to do anything at all for Apple in the future (not like it did before, but...). a platform-independent Java version (you know, what Java was supposed to be all about) woul let me run it there anyway. Does the subjunctive mean you perceive Java has failed to meet its objective? Has Java become platform-sensitive, outcome of lawsuits notwithstanding? Java itself is not platform-sensitive (AFAIK); IBM's software, however, is. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?
A source RPM for Linux, then I could build the binaries on my RedHat laptop, my Novell Linux Desktop workstation, my SLES9x server on the z/890 etc. /Tom Kern --- Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a recent note, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) said: Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 07:55:28 -0300 I'd love a Linux version. Linux for what hardware platform? z/Series? Power PC? SPARC? Other (specify)? I'd hope portable for all. -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: When was an alias [been] defined ?
On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:02:07 + john gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :ALIAS is a binder control statement. The date on which the current instance :of an alias was created is thus almost always the date (and time) on which :the binder produced the program object that has that alias for its principal :(USS) or some (MVS) entry point. :These comments apply mutatis mutandis to linkage-editor processing. :The HLASM also has a [misnamed] ALIAS statement, the function of which is to :replace traditional short by, typically, long external names; but you appear :to have the Binder control statement in mind. As the question mentioned: LISTCAT ALIAS ENTRIES(aliasname) ALL it is clear he is referring to a CATALOG alias. There does not appear to be a date. I tried a listc cat(master.catalog) creation() and it displayed all the aliases, and only the aliases (and, no, they were not created 20+ years ago). -- Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Disaster Declarations due to Katrina
In a message dated 9/6/2005 7:01:33 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/02/2005 at 06:05 PM, Bill Fairchild [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: It all depends on the fine print in one's contract. No. A contract term in violation of law is null and void. True in a court where common sense abounds. Untrue in some courts where reality abounds, and where law is often skewed by expensive lawyers and a corruptible judiciary. “In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.” [Yogi Berra] Just because the law says that X is so does not mean X will predictably happen. Lawyers argue over fine print. That's what they do. Sometimes the violation of law is very difficult to determine even when no incentives have been paid or promised. Whether it is fortunate or unfortunate depends on one's side in the argument over responsibility. I must admit to a prejudice in favor of employees being paid for services rendered. I have the same prejudice NOW, since my income is solely from being an employee. However, retirees often live on proceeds from investments made years ago in publicly owned corporations whose main responsibility BY LAW is to their stockholders and NOT to their employees. This law, which we must be very careful not to violate, is the main reason why corporations have become so predatory and soulless in recent years. Someday much of my income will be from such investments, and then I will be living off the rapine of CEOs whose prejudice will be the opposite of what mine is now. Bill Fairchild -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: When was an alias [been] defined ?
John, My reading of the original post related to catalog aliases, not load module aliases. The only way I could think to track catalog alias creation would be to process the SMF records cut by a catalog update. After the fact, I don't see any indication of the creation date. Wayne Driscoll Product Developer Western Metal Supply NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of john gilmore Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 8:02 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: When was an alias [been] defined ? Romain, ALIAS is a binder control statement. The date on which the current instance of an alias was created is thus almost always the date (and time) on which the binder produced the program object that has that alias for its principal (USS) or some (MVS) entry point. These comments apply mutatis mutandis to linkage-editor processing. The HLASM also has a [misnamed] ALIAS statement, the function of which is to replace traditional short by, typically, long external names; but you appear to have the Binder control statement in mind. John Gilmore _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfeeR Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 08:31:37AM -0500, McKown, John wrote: Being the original questioner, I will say that anything I might write for the Librarian functionality would probably be written in Perl. Perl is fairly transportable. However, I am likely to end up using modules from CPAN for utility functions (such an ftp and http functions). I don't know how portable the various CPAN modules are. It most likely varies greatly. PLEASE don't use CPAN. You think DLL hell is a problem on Windows? You ain't seen nothing yet. You might take a look at Python, which includes a lot of the things that you need to go to CPAN to get for Perl in its standard distribution. Parsing up these files should be so simple that even I could write a program to do it. But the legalities stymie me. I'm a coward, I guess. No, I don't think you are. IBM's lawyers are justifiably feared. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Maynard Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 8:36 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian? On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 08:31:37AM -0500, McKown, John wrote: Being the original questioner, I will say that anything I might write for the Librarian functionality would probably be written in Perl. Perl is fairly transportable. However, I am likely to end up using modules from CPAN for utility functions (such an ftp and http functions). I don't know how portable the various CPAN modules are. It most likely varies greatly. PLEASE don't use CPAN. You think DLL hell is a problem on Windows? You ain't seen nothing yet. I use CPAN for some things, but not extensively. Only for one project and I have had no problems so far. he said fearlessly You might take a look at Python, which includes a lot of the things that you need to go to CPAN to get for Perl in its standard distribution. Well, I like Perl. I have also used Python in the past and think well of it as well. Hum, perhaps I should use this as a learning experience for Ruby. I will refrain from using GCC or Java (although Java is not really too bad). I guarantee that I will __not__ even consider writing it in APL (yes, I have an APL on Linux) grin. I was wanting something fairly portable. Perl exists on almost every UNIX in the known universe, as well as Windows and MAC OS/X. I do not know know if Python or Ruby has such an extensive reach. If I wanted to be UNIX specific, I could possibly even use standard utilities in a shell script. (wget is so nice for fetching stuff via http and ftp). Parsing up these files should be so simple that even I could write a program to do it. But the legalities stymie me. I'm a coward, I guess. No, I don't think you are. IBM's lawyers are justifiably feared. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer UICI Insurance Center Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its' content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Quotation (was: Re: Disaster Declarations due to Katrina)
In a recent note, Bill Fairchild said: Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:26:32 EDT corruptible judiciary. In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra] This bears an erudition uncharacteristic of Yogi. Wikiquote: Linkname: Jan L. A. van de Snepscheut - Wikiquote URL: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jan_L._A._van_de_Snepscheut ... cites Prof.Dr. Edsger W. Dijkstra as attributing it (unverifiably) to Jan L. A. van de Snepscheut. Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. -- attributed to Yogi Berra -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?
In a recent note, Jay Maynard said: Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:36:28 -0500 On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 08:31:37AM -0500, McKown, John wrote: Parsing up these files should be so simple that even I could write a program to do it. But the legalities stymie me. I'm a coward, I guess. No, I don't think you are. IBM's lawyers are justifiably feared. There's a TC page at: Linkname: z/OS and OS/390 Internet Library terms and conditions URL: http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/zos/bkserv/license.html Which states, first and foremost: The z/OS and OS/390 Internet libraries are intended for use by IBM's z/Architecture and S/390 customers; other usages are prohibited. Deep links that bypass that page abound in the WWW. There are plenty in the archives of this list. -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: unicode
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 11:10:55 -0500, Brian Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please read the ++ HOLD DDDEF text in PTF UA07794. snip Jim, I hope you don't routinely ignore HOLDDATA when applying maintenance! Even DOC holds sometimes contain actions (even though they should not by definition). Very few holds can be ignored (for example, IPL when you know you are applying maintenance to a target sysres that has to be IPLed in order to use it). but there is still no reference as to what it is used for. The PTF added support to initialize / load a usable pre-customized UNICODE environment if one doesn't exist at IPL time for DB2. This saves you the trouble of defining all the conversions. However, if you require unicode you may want to create your own conversion image anyway as the pre-configured image size is something like 39M and is fixed storage. Depending on the size of your system(s) that may be a nit or it could be an issue. I think the size of our customized image is only around 1M. Search the archives for more. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America and Farmers Insurance Group mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems Programming expert at http://Search390.com/ateExperts/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 08:50:16AM -0500, McKown, John wrote: I guarantee that I will __not__ even consider writing it in APL (yes, I have an APL on Linux) grin. Really? I assume it uses an X window to display in. Is it freely available? I was wanting something fairly portable. Perl exists on almost every UNIX in the known universe, as well as Windows and MAC OS/X. I do not know know if Python or Ruby has such an extensive reach. I can't speak to Ruby, but Python does. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DUMP Datasets and SMS
In a message dated 9/6/2005 7:02:24 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Much earlier; it came with DF/EF. Fortunately I missed out on *that* horror show. Almost as bad as it's partner in crime SP 1.2! Think it lasted almost a week before the damage assessments started rolling in and SP 1.3 was announced. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Quotation (was: Re: Disaster Declarations due to Katrina)
In a message dated 9/6/2005 9:09:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra] This bears an erudition uncharacteristic of Yogi. Wikiquote: Linkname: Jan L. A. van de Snepscheut - Wikiquote URL: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jan_L._A._van_de_Snepscheut ... cites Prof.Dr. Edsger W. Dijkstra as attributing it (unverifiably) to Jan L. A. van de Snepscheut. I thought about adding attibuted to to that quote, then unfortunately decided not to. One can always be safe in attributing nearly any quote to nearly anyone. I even spoke this quote once in a technical presentation as a joke, without attribution, and long before I thought it had been said by Yogi Berra (which it might well have been). Anyone who heard me say that could then correctly attribute it to me. And so on. This, of course, is a sophomoric yet fertile way to weasel out of my error and many such future errors. Thanks for the correction. Bill Fairchild -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: unicode
Mark, no I don't ignore HOLDDATA but I must admit I missed that one. My fine toothed comb obviously needs to be renewed. I've actually already configured and implemented a UNICODE image so I'll just apply the ptf and stop there. Thanks Jim McAlpine On 9/6/05, Mark Zelden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 11:10:55 -0500, Brian Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please read the ++ HOLD DDDEF text in PTF UA07794. snip Jim, I hope you don't routinely ignore HOLDDATA when applying maintenance! Even DOC holds sometimes contain actions (even though they should not by definition). Very few holds can be ignored (for example, IPL when you know you are applying maintenance to a target sysres that has to be IPLed in order to use it). but there is still no reference as to what it is used for. The PTF added support to initialize / load a usable pre-customized UNICODE environment if one doesn't exist at IPL time for DB2. This saves you the trouble of defining all the conversions. However, if you require unicode you may want to create your own conversion image anyway as the pre-configured image size is something like 39M and is fixed storage. Depending on the size of your system(s) that may be a nit or it could be an issue. I think the size of our customized image is only around 1M. Search the archives for more. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America and Farmers Insurance Group mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems Programming expert at http://Search390.com/ateExperts/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?
On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:50:16 -0500, McKown, John wrote: You might take a look at Python, which includes a lot of the things that you need to go to CPAN to get for Perl in its standard distribution. Well, I like Perl. I have also used Python in the past and think well of it as well. I'm with Jay - I picked up Python as a quick proto-typer. Very impressed, especially with wxPython giving access to the wxWindows widget set. I find Python has some limitation with it's sockets implementation, but of course you can overload that in need. All up a (generally) nice solution. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Access to the SHARE requirements database
Ed ... Each project handled the merge of the GUIDE requirements in their own fashion. I can only speak for MVS Storage requirements, since I was the coordinator at that time. (And, even though I am Manager of Requirements for SHARE right now, I can't answer what happened to all of the GUIDE requirements, since I didn't have this position at that time.) The MVSS project still has 46 GUIDE requirements in ACTIVE status. 81 of the GUIDE storage requirements were retired, either because they were rejected by IBM, announced or available in some form, voted down by project membership or considered non-strategic by a requirements review committee (i.e., no way was IBM going to do this, no matter what we thought). SHARE still view the requirements process as important, and is currently in the process of trying to revitalize it. We welcome new requirements from SHARE members. But, the process doesn't work well without the participation of the SHARE community. Register for the requirements system; participate in the discussion (it's all carried out on-line via a browser interface); and, most important, VOTE (again, on- line via a browser interface). Requirements is the primary method of influencing IBM's direction, so, please, PARTICIPATE! John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DUMP Datasets and SMS
One tip for those trying batch FTP for the first time: make sure your ISPF EDIT parms are set correctly (NUM OFF, I think) so that your line numbers do not make gobbledygook of your commands. With that done, I have never had a problem with batch FTP: it works fine and usually runs at a very good clip. Jon snip It's trivial. Here is JCL I used a couple of weeks ago to send a dump to IBM: //FTP2MVS JOB 1,JAFFE,CLASS=A,MSGCLASS=T,NOTIFY=SYSUID // EXEC PGM=FTP,REGION=64M,TIME=NOLIMIT,PARM='(EXIT' //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSINDD * testcase.boulder.ibm.com anonymous [EMAIL PROTECTED] cd mvs/toibm mkdir 91690 cd 91690 bin put PMR91690.D050811.DUMP0C4.TRSD quit // As you can see, I like to upload into my own subdirectory (in this case 91690). Others prefer to upload dumps directly into mvs/toibm/. /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Re: address space
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/05/2005 at 09:09 PM, mary george [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Can anyone tell me where I can find clear explanations and difference between the following: Any unit of work is associated with an address space called the home address space. MVS initially gives a unit of work control with the control registers for primary and secondary pointing to the home address space. There is a mode bit controlling whether to resolve addresses[1] using the primary or secondary address space. The old cross-memory services relied on setting the secondary address space, moving data with cross-memory instructions and switching between primary and secondary modes. With the advent of AR mode, the old mechanisms are anachronisms that are present only for compatibility with old code. I'd advise you to read up on AR mode in PoOps and the Addressability Guide, and to just skim the descriptions of primary and secondary. [1] Except for cross-memory instructions and instructions in AR mode that specify a non-zero AR number. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html Is z/OS put together with DUCT tape? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VSMLIST OWNCOMM DETAIL
DB2 open PK10031 and close it with the following comment: snip This apar is being closed USE ( user error ). Users should not be using MVS service aid information as a basis for direct commands against storage. The actual reporting of DB2 storage as 'orphaned' is considered an inaccuracy in the service aid reporting or monitor display itself and not a code error in DB2. snip Roland, the response is both right and wrong. It is right in stating that owner gone status is service aid information and not an absolute to be relied upon, but wrong that it should not **eventually** be fixed. I do not think fixing this in an APAR is appropriate, but *do* think it should have been closed as SUG and fixed in the next release. I will get that done, but keep in mind that all that will happen is that the storage will become system owned. Greg -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DUMP Datasets and SMS
Like toss another shrimp on the bar-b... What's the @#$% a shrimp? Sound likes Hoges was comin' the raw prawn in more ways than one. From: Eric Bielefeld I love your Australian sayings. Is this one common? I've never heard it before. Bills response is close enough to be usable - espicially the cat's meow bit. I wouldn't countenance any variant spelling of Aus. Due to the insidious spread of American (as in USA) TV, the Australian idiom is quickly disappearing. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Non-Windows version of IBM Softcopy Librarian?
However, I have seen considerable discussion over the last couple of years in which a desire for a version for Linux has been mentioned. So far, I have observed no response out of IBM. ... Has anybody made a request? IBM doesn't usually troll the various discussion lists for requirements. -teD In God we Trust! All others bring data! -- W. Edwards Deming -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: When was an alias [been] defined ?
If you have different aliases for different applications/projects, it would be a reference when the application was first set up. That is of course assuming you have not built new mastercats and such. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Perryman, Brian Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 9:38 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: When was an alias [been] defined ? I'm struggling to think of a reason that it would be important/interesting to know when a dataset alias was created? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VSMLIST OWNCOMM DETAIL
Hi Greg, Is there a reason this cannot be tied to a DB2 address space that will clean it up when it terminates? The APAR even said This occurs because the MVS service aid tracking is done based on the HOME ASID at the time of the GETMAIN. In actuality, the storage gotten is being tracked and managed by the corresponding DB2 PRIMARY ASID. It seemed that DB2 could just do the STORAGE OBTAIN and specify OWNER=PRIMARY if that is what they wanted ownership to reflect. ,OWNER=HOME ,OWNER=PRIMARY ,OWNER=SECONDARY ,OWNER=SYSTEM Specifies the entity to which the system will assign ownership of requested CSA, ECSA, SQA, and ESQA storage. The system uses this ownership information to track the use of CSA, ECSA, SQA and ESQA storage. This parameter can have one of the following values: HOME The home address space PRIMARY The primary address space SECONDARY The secondary address space SYSTEM The system (the storage is not associated with an address space); specify this value if you expect the requested storage to remain allocated after termination of the job that obtained the storage. The default value is OWNER=HOME. The system ignores the OWNER keyword unless you specify a CSA, ECSA, SQA, or ESQA subpool on the SP parameter. Storage tracking is available as of MVS/SP release 4.3. However, programs that issue the STORAGE OBTAIN macro with the OWNER parameter can run on any MVS system from MVS/SP 3.1 to the current release. It really seems like the owner should be a real DB2 address space and not a DB2 monitor and not SYSTEM which should be reserved for things like SRB pools, resource managers, etc. owned by components that don't have an address space and live in every space in the system where they are invoked. Thanks, Sam Knutson, GEICO Performance and Availability Management mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (office) 301.986.3574 I cannot forecast to you the action of Russia. It is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. - Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Dyck Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 12:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: VSMLIST OWNCOMM DETAIL DB2 open PK10031 and close it with the following comment: snip This apar is being closed USE ( user error ). Users should not be using MVS service aid information as a basis for direct commands against storage. The actual reporting of DB2 storage as 'orphaned' is considered an inaccuracy in the service aid reporting or monitor display itself and not a code error in DB2. snip Roland, the response is both right and wrong. It is right in stating that owner gone status is service aid information and not an absolute to be relied upon, but wrong that it should not **eventually** be fixed. I do not think fixing this in an APAR is appropriate, but *do* think it should have been closed as SUG and fixed in the next release. I will get that done, but keep in mind that all that will happen is that the storage will become system owned. Greg This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VSMLIST OWNCOMM DETAIL
Tnx Greg, I always just ask for a FIN APAR. *System owned is much better then Batch Job owner gone. Roland -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Dyck Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 6:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: VSMLIST OWNCOMM DETAIL DB2 open PK10031 and close it with the following comment: snip This apar is being closed USE ( user error ). Users should not be using MVS service aid information as a basis for direct commands against storage. The actual reporting of DB2 storage as 'orphaned' is considered an inaccuracy in the service aid reporting or monitor display itself and not a code error in DB2. snip Roland, the response is both right and wrong. It is right in stating that owner gone status is service aid information and not an absolute to be relied upon, but wrong that it should not **eventually** be fixed. I do not think fixing this in an APAR is appropriate, but *do* think it should have been closed as SUG and fixed in the next release. I will get that done, but keep in mind that all that will happen is that the storage will become system owned. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DUMP Datasets and SMS
Paul Gilmartin wrote: I don't understand the architecture here. Is SNA a layer under NJE? How about VTAM? SNA is indeed a lower layer than NJE. VTAM is a subsystem that implements SNA (e.g., LU2, LU6.2) and non-SNA (e.g., LU0) under z/OS, z/VM, and z/VSE -- not a protocol. Why has TCP/IP so surpassed SNA? SNA is/was proprietary while TCP/IP is/was open. -- - | Edward E. Jaffe|| | Mgr, Research Development| [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Phoenix Software International | Tel: (310) 338-0400 x318 | | 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 | Fax: (310) 338-0801| | Los Angeles, CA 90045 | http://www.phoenixsoftware.com | - -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DUMP Datasets and SMS
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 10:47:36AM -0700, Edward E. Jaffe wrote: Why has TCP/IP so surpassed SNA? SNA is/was proprietary while TCP/IP is/was open. This is half of it. The other half is that SNA is designed for a world where computing power is concentrated in a few central hosts, while TCP/IP is designed for a world where everything on the network has some level of computing power. SNA assumes that the user is sitting in front of a dumb terminal and wants to use an application on a central machine. TCP/IP assumes that one user's terminal may be another's application host. SNA's assumptions were valid for the 1970s and 1980s. TCP/IP's are valid for the modern environment. In a way, IBM itself, by legitimizing the concept of the personal computer, helped to create the conditions that made SNA less than relevant. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DUMP Datasets and SMS
ICF came out with either XA or SP1.3.x. Much earlier; it came with DF/EF. Fortunately I missed out on *that* horror show. ... I remember it was between NOV81 AUG84. Because that was my first job as a perf/cap analyst, and we had to 'evaluate' the effect of changing. Our departmental high level alias and all our TSO userids were the first ones put into an ICF Catalogue. We were not XA, so it had to be SE or SP. -teD In God we Trust! All others bring data! -- W. Edwards Deming -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
DFSORT - what am I doing wrong?
I have a set of 5 tapes containing SMF data. Unfortuantely, tape 4 is unreadable. So, I want to take the readable information from tapes 1,2,3, and 5 and use it to create another set of tapes. I am using DFSORT with the OPTION SPANINC=RC0 and listing the volumes in the VOL=SER= for SORTIN. I get an RC=16 and the following output: quote ICE143I 0 BLOCKSET COPY TECHNIQUE SELECTED ICE000I 1 - CONTROL STATEMENTS FOR 5740-SM1, DFSORT REL 14.0 - 21:58 ON SUN SEP 04, 2005 - OPTION SPANINC=RC0 SORT FIELDS=(COPY) ICE201I 0 RECORD TYPE IS V - DATA STARTS IN POSITION 5 ICE193I 0 ICEAM1 ENVIRONMENT IN EFFECT - ICEAM1 INSTALLATION MODULE SELECTED ICE088I 0 TSH009XX.STEP1 ., INPUT LRECL = 32767, BLKSIZE = 27998, TYPE = VBS ICE093I 0 MAIN STORAGE = (MAX,4194304,4194304) ICE156I 0 MAIN STORAGE ABOVE 16MB = (4077877,4077877) ICE127I 0 OPTIONS: OVFLO=RC0 ,PAD=RC0 ,TRUNC=RC0 ,SPANINC=RC0 ,VLSCMP=N,SZERO=Y,RESET=Y,VSAMEMT=Y,DYNSPC=256 ICE128I 0 OPTIONS: SIZE=4194304,MAXLIM=1048576,MINLIM=450560,EQUALS=N,LIST=Y,ERET=RC16 ,MSGDDN=SYSOUT ICE129I 0 OPTIONS: VIO=N,RESDNT=ALL ,SMF=NO ,WRKSEC=Y,OUTSEC=Y,VERIFY=N,CHALT=N,DYNALOC=N ,ABCODE=MSG ICE130I 0 OPTIONS: RESALL=4096,RESINV=0,SVC=109 ,CHECK=Y,WRKREL=Y,OUTREL=Y,CKPT=N,STIMER=Y,COBEXIT=COB1 ICE131I 0 OPTIONS: TMAXLIM=4194304,ARESALL=0,ARESINV=0,OVERRGN=65536,CINV=Y,CFW=Y,DSA=0 ICE132I 0 OPTIONS: VLSHRT=N,ZDPRINT=N,IEXIT=N,TEXIT=N,LISTX=N,EFS=NONE ,EXITCK=S,PARMDDN=DFSPARM ,FSZEST=N ICE133I 0 OPTIONS: HIPRMAX=OPTIMAL,DSPSIZE=0 ,ODMAXBF=0,SOLRF=Y,VLLONG=N,VSAMIO=N ICE084I 0 EXCP ACCESS METHOD USED FOR SORTOUT ICE084I 0 EXCP ACCESS METHOD USED FOR SORTIN ICE141A 2 SPANNED RECORD ON SORTIN COULD NOT BE ASSEMBLED ICE052I 0 END OF DFSORT /quote -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer UICI Insurance Center Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its' content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DFSORT - what am I doing wrong?
John McKown wrote on 09/06/2005 11:17:11 AM: I have a set of 5 tapes containing SMF data. Unfortuantely, tape 4 is unreadable. So, I want to take the readable information from tapes 1,2,3, and 5 and use it to create another set of tapes. I am using DFSORT with the OPTION SPANINC=RC0 and listing the volumes in the VOL=SER= for SORTIN. I get an RC=16 and the following output: quote ICE143I 0 BLOCKSET COPY TECHNIQUE SELECTED ICE000I 1 - CONTROL STATEMENTS FOR 5740-SM1, DFSORT REL 14.0 - 21:58 ON SUN SEP 04, 2005 - OPTION SPANINC=RC0 SORT FIELDS=(COPY) ICE201I 0 RECORD TYPE IS V - DATA STARTS IN POSITION 5 ICE193I 0 ICEAM1 ENVIRONMENT IN EFFECT - ICEAM1 INSTALLATION MODULE SELECTED ICE088I 0 TSH009XX.STEP1 ., INPUT LRECL = 32767, BLKSIZE = 27998, TYPE = VBS ICE093I 0 MAIN STORAGE = (MAX,4194304,4194304) ICE156I 0 MAIN STORAGE ABOVE 16MB = (4077877,4077877) ICE127I 0 OPTIONS: OVFLO=RC0 ,PAD=RC0 ,TRUNC=RC0 ,SPANINC=RC0 ,VLSCMP=N,SZERO=Y,RESET=Y,VSAMEMT=Y,DYNSPC=256 ICE128I 0 OPTIONS: SIZE=4194304,MAXLIM=1048576,MINLIM=450560,EQUALS=N,LIST=Y,ERET=RC16 ,MSGDDN=SYSOUT ICE129I 0 OPTIONS: VIO=N,RESDNT=ALL ,SMF=NO ,WRKSEC=Y,OUTSEC=Y,VERIFY=N,CHALT=N,DYNALOC=N ,ABCODE=MSG ICE130I 0 OPTIONS: RESALL=4096,RESINV=0,SVC=109 ,CHECK=Y,WRKREL=Y,OUTREL=Y,CKPT=N,STIMER=Y,COBEXIT=COB1 ICE131I 0 OPTIONS: TMAXLIM=4194304,ARESALL=0,ARESINV=0,OVERRGN=65536,CINV=Y,CFW=Y,DSA=0 ICE132I 0 OPTIONS: VLSHRT=N,ZDPRINT=N,IEXIT=N,TEXIT=N,LISTX=N,EFS=NONE ,EXITCK=S,PARMDDN=DFSPARM ,FSZEST=N ICE133I 0 OPTIONS: HIPRMAX=OPTIMAL,DSPSIZE=0 ,ODMAXBF=0,SOLRF=Y,VLLONG=N,VSAMIO=N ICE084I 0 EXCP ACCESS METHOD USED FOR SORTOUT ICE084I 0 EXCP ACCESS METHOD USED FOR SORTIN ICE141A 2 SPANNED RECORD ON SORTIN COULD NOT BE ASSEMBLED ICE052I 0 END OF DFSORT /quote John, The ICE141A indicates that there's a record or records in the data set that cannot be properly assembled or discarded even when SPANINC=RC0 is in effect. The possible situations for this are given in z/OS DFSORT Messages, Codes and Diagnosis Guide as: * A segment length was greater than the LRECL. * A segment length was less than 4 bytes. * The total length of segments was greater than the LRECL. * Segments are blocked incorrectly for VBS data sets (that is, a first and a last segment are in the same block). Frank Yaeger - DFSORT Team (IBM) Specialties: ICETOOL, IFTHEN, OVERLAY, Symbols, Migration = DFSORT/MVS is on the Web at http://www.ibm.com/storage/dfsort/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
LPARS, HSMplex and GRS
Hello, We are new to LPARs, HSMplex, and GRS, and I have some questions. First, some background: We will be running z/OS 1.6 in one LPAR and z/OS.e 1.6 in a second LPAR. We will be running each system in MONOPLEX mode, we will not be sharing the master catalogs, and running a GRS Ring. Our intention is to run DFSMShsm on both systems with the automatic functions done from z/OS.e, only. I have created one ARCCMDxx member that will be used by both and coded ONLYIF statements for all automatic commands. Questions: 1. The RES Vols for each system have duplicate datasets, is there a concern having one system do the automatic backups on the RES vols for both systems? How does HSM keep track of where a dataset was backed up from? 2. I am having a problem understanding all of the GRS RNLs. Specifically, those related to HSM, so any help there would be much appreciated. 3. The last concern is the RNLs needed for both shared catalogs and non-shared catalogs. Thanks so much for any and all advice, Pam Pagnotta U.S. Department of Energy/ RS Information Systems, Inc. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
FTP from ZOS
I have a need to encrypt the data that we will be sending out into the www world. I was wondering what other folks had done to accomplish this. Looking for ideas *** Cletus McGee Technical Services (334) 394-3320 Have a grand day - The information contained in this email/fax is confidential; it is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution, or use of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact us immediately at the telephone number or e-mail address set forth above and destroy all copies of the original message. Although this email/fax is believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system in which it is received, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free; Alfa accepts no responsibility for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DUMP Datasets and SMS
Jay Maynard wrote: On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 10:47:36AM -0700, Edward E. Jaffe wrote: Why has TCP/IP so surpassed SNA? SNA is/was proprietary while TCP/IP is/was open. This is half of it. The other half is that SNA is designed for a world where computing power is concentrated in a few central hosts, while TCP/IP is designed for a world where everything on the network has some level of computing power. SNA assumes that the user is sitting in front of a dumb terminal and wants to use an application on a central machine. IBM addressed these issues long ago woth HPR/APPN support. TCP/IP assumes that one user's terminal may be another's application host. Same with modern (at least since the late 1980s / early 1990s) SNA. -- - | Edward E. Jaffe|| | Mgr, Research Development| [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Phoenix Software International | Tel: (310) 338-0400 x318 | | 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 | Fax: (310) 338-0801| | Los Angeles, CA 90045 | http://www.phoenixsoftware.com | - -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTP from ZOS
Try PGP from Mcafee. We have it and it works with any platform Project Leader - MVS HIP 32 Old Slip New York N.Y. 10005 212-806-4054 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McGee, Cletus Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 2:53 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: FTP from ZOS I have a need to encrypt the data that we will be sending out into the www world. I was wondering what other folks had done to accomplish this. Looking for ideas *** Cletus McGee Technical Services (334) 394-3320 Have a grand day - The information contained in this email/fax is confidential; it is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution, or use of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact us immediately at the telephone number or e-mail address set forth above and destroy all copies of the original message. Although this email/fax is believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system in which it is received, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free; Alfa accepts no responsibility for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Finding XCF transport class users
Thanks, Sam. I have run the Health Checker. One of the exceptions it detects is having PATHOUTs defined without an associated CLASS definition. As explained in my first posting, we have 3 CLASSDEFs with GROUP(UNDESIG) defined. In the RMF XCF activity report I can see requests delivered in all transport classes, not only in the default class. Since this is the case, why is it recommended (in IBM literature and by the Health Checker) to associate a CLASS with each PATHOUT definition? And why is it that I can see requests delived in all transport classes even though none of them are defined explicitly to a PATHOUT? Thanks, Gil. On 9/5/05, Knutson, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Gil, I would suggest you install and run the IBM Health Checker. Don't wait for the new and improved Health Checker go install and run the existing one now. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: address space
Can anyone tell me where I can find clear explanations and difference between the following: 1. Home address 2.Primary address 3.Secondary address Each address space is identified by a 16 bit number called the address space identifier (ASID.) It is used by hardware during the translation process and MVS also uses it as an index in various tables such as the ASVT. All jobs, started tasks, TSO sessions, Unix processes etc, have exactly one address space each and from each job's perspective its known as the HOME address space (HASN.) Ok. All done with that thought. An address space is an address space. No more or less. Now, The System/370 introduced the concept of synchronous cross memory services as a way to provide 24-bit constraint relief as well as some horizontal scalability and functional isolation. Cross-memory services allow you to switch control of a running program over into another address space (a cross-memory server address space) to access functionality and/or data in that space. In S/370 and later, the address space where the instructions are being fetched from (executed) is known as the PRIMARY address space (PASN.) The architecture originally allowed for data movement between the PRIMARY address space and a SECONDARY address space (SASN.) ESA changed that, but the terminology and usage were well established before then. When a job starts, the home address space is also the primary AND the secondary address space. You often see this written down as PASN=SASN=HASN. When a space switch happens the primary and/or secondary address space is changed to point to another address space. The switch is caused by executing a space-switching PC instruction and/or a set-secondary SSAR instruction. A privileged (server) application first has to use cross-memory services to set up PC entry tables for PC instructions to be used by its clients. When a client program issues a PC instruction, the hardware uses these tables to figure out what address space and state to run in. After a PC switch into another address space, that address space becomes the PRIMARY address space. So at that point, PASN=SERVER, and HASN is whatever it was originally. The HASN -never- changes, but SASN may or may not change at the same time as PASN. It depends whether SASN=HASN, or SASN=PASN. Later the cross-memory server code switches back to the original caller's address space by issuing a PT or PR instruction and you're back where you started. It's more complex than that, but close enough for a 50,000' view. It's all written down in POPs, but if you don't have much of an internals background it may as well be written in Latin. CC -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: address space
Can anyone tell me where I can find clear explanations and difference between the following: 1. Home address 2.Primary address 3.Secondary address On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:32:31 -0500, Craddock, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a very good explanation which I snipped In addition to what Chris wrote and the IBM manuals already mentioned, you may want to check out Chris' presentation from SHARE in N.Y. Session 2829 - z/OS Virtual Storage Mystery Tour (new improved for 64-bit operation). Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America and Farmers Insurance Group mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems Programming expert at http://Search390.com/ateExperts/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: address space
On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:32:31 -0500 Craddock, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :In S/370 and later, the address space where the instructions are being :fetched from (executed) is known as the PRIMARY address space (PASN.) :The architecture originally allowed for data movement between the :PRIMARY address space and a SECONDARY address space (SASN.) ESA changed :that, but the terminology and usage were well established before then. If I recall correctly, instruction fetch in secondary mode depended on the CPU model. Some would instruction fetch from the primary address space and others would fetch from the secondary. IBM manuals stated that code running in secondary mode had to be in common storage. Also, IIRC, Amdahl machines always fetched from primary. -- Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: address space
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 11:27:12PM +0300, Binyamin Dissen wrote: If I recall correctly, instruction fetch in secondary mode depended on the CPU model. Some would instruction fetch from the primary address space and others would fetch from the secondary. IBM manuals stated that code running in secondary mode had to be in common storage. ISTR this was because the answer wasn't specified in the POO when the machines that implementd the feature were being developed, and so the POO was changed to make it model-dependent because two systems were implemented differently and couldn't be changed to be consistent. Am I correct, or is there a parity check in that block? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: address space
Jay said; On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 11:27:12PM +0300, Binyamin Dissen wrote: If I recall correctly, instruction fetch in secondary mode depended on the CPU model. Some would instruction fetch from the primary address space and others would fetch from the secondary. IBM manuals stated that code running in secondary mode had to be in common storage. ISTR this was because the answer wasn't specified in the POO when the machines that implementd the feature were being developed, and so the POO was changed to make it model-dependent because two systems were implemented differently and couldn't be changed to be consistent. Am I correct, or is there a parity check in that block? You're right. Prior to MVS/XA it was unpredictable (i.e. model dependent) which address space instructions would be fetched from in secondary space mode. XA nailed that down so that instructions were always fetched from the primary address space. Then ESA came along with home space mode... For all programs other than some deep dark places in the BCP, you can assume instructions are fetched from primary. Period. CC -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VSMLIST OWNCOMM DETAIL
Tnx Greg, I always just ask for a FIN APAR. *System owned is much better then Batch Job owner gone. FIN must *only* be used for an APAR which IBM is prepared to ship the code via service. Any customer may request a new APAR be opened to ship the fix for a FIN APAR. The only accepable closing codes for changes that are not appropriate to be shipped in the service stream is SUG or PRS. Greg -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: address space
Craddock, Chris wrote: Can anyone tell me where I can find clear explanations and difference between the following: 1.Home address 2.Primary address 3.Secondary address Each address space is identified by a 16 bit number called the address space identifier (ASID.) It is used by hardware during the translation process and MVS also uses it as an index in various tables such as the ASVT. [loads of great info snipped] A simplified way to answer the OP's question as stated: 1) A home address is one that is resolved by the region/segment/page tables described by control register 13. 2) A primary address is one that is resolved by the region/segment/page tables described by control register 1. 3) A secondary address is one that is resolved by the region/segment/page tables described by control register 7. Usually home=primary=secondary. The home address space is always that which is dispatched by the operating system. Various instructions (e.g., PC, SSAR, etc.) are used to change the primary or secondary address space to other than home. POP explains the concepts in detail. Extended Addressability Guide does a good job as well. Whether the explanations are clear is subjective and depends entirely on how well you understand z/Architecture. -- - | Edward E. Jaffe|| | Mgr, Research Development| [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Phoenix Software International | Tel: (310) 338-0400 x318 | | 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 | Fax: (310) 338-0801| | Los Angeles, CA 90045 | http://www.phoenixsoftware.com | - -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VSMLIST OWNCOMM DETAIL
Is there a reason this cannot be tied to a DB2 address space that will clean it up when it terminates? snip Some of the global storage can be obtained *before* switching to a DB2 owned address space so there is no way to show it owned by DB2 as would be desired. The same issue exists for MQ obtained storage so the options are limited. Greg -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: When was an alias [been] defined ?
Nah.. Not convinced..! RACF profiles? ACF/2 rules? Oh and erm, CHANGE CONTROL documentation..!!!?? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Gray, Larry - Larry A Sent: Tue 6/9/05 17:41 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: When was an alias [been] defined ? If you have different aliases for different applications/projects, it would be a reference when the application was first set up. That is of course assuming you have not built new mastercats and such. This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s)and may contain confidential and privileged information of Transaction NetworkServices. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution isprohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact thesender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
About CPU assumption of HSM migration
Hi all, Does anyone know the CPU assumption of HSM level1/2 migration? If possible can anyone provide some data to show this? Thanks! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: When was an alias [been] defined ?
On Sep 6, 2005, at 8:02 AM, john gilmore wrote: Romain, ALIAS is a binder control statement. The date on which the current instance of an alias was created is thus almost always the date (and time) on which the binder produced the program object that has that alias for its principal (USS) or some (MVS) entry point. These comments apply mutatis mutandis to linkage-editor processing. John, ALIAS is in the context a IDCAMS issue. ie DEFINE ALIAS(name(google) releate(usercat) ) ca(mastercat) This is from memory son any typos please forgive. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: address space
On Sep 6, 2005, at 2:32 PM, Craddock, Chris wrote: -SNIP- It's more complex than that, but close enough for a 50,000' view. It's all written down in POPs, but if you don't have much of an internals background it may as well be written in Latin. CC Chris, Write a book that explains POPS (in your spare time) I am sure many copies will be sold:) Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DUMP Datasets and SMS
At 07:42 -0300 on 09/06/2005, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote about Re: DUMP Datasets and SMS: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/04/2005 at 04:42 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: It seems to me that sending the dump as an Email Attachment as opposed to an FTP would solve this issue of having to monitor the FTP. No; it would almost certainly exceed size limits every step of the way and would be less reliable to boot. Since the Attachment is defined as External, it does not get uploaded to the SMTP Server and thus does not travel with the message. There is an option to define the Attachment as EXTERNAL (ie: Not included in the Message itself so there is no need to spool it at the Sending and Receiving Ends). Not in SMTP there isn't. Try checking out http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2046.html [RFC 2046 - Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (MIME) Part Two: Media Types] section 5.2.3 External-Body Subtype. What happens is that the transmission of the Attachment is delayed until final delivery at which point an automatic FTP-Type session is performed to do the transfer. From what to what? You seem to be describing some sort of ad hoc setup that requires control over the software at both ends. By the receiving MUA when it accepts the message. Check out the above section and the following example sections. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
