Re: Data set ENQueues and DEQueues in Jobs
In a recent note, Bruce Black said: Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:40:49 -0400 Sorry, ENQ RET=CHNG only changes a SHR ENQ to EXCL, not the other waqy And thereby hangs a long and knotted tale of how TSO ALLOCATE will sometimes create a data set with only a SHR ENQ on the DSNAME; fail to catalog it because of a duplicate catalog entry, then fail to delete it because it can't obtain an EXCL ENQ because another job has a SHR ENQ on the same DSNAME. I once unwittingly created uncatalogued instances on every storage volume of several data set names because of this behavior. It's a disappointment, for the above reason as well as others, that IBM has not seen fit to provide an option to downgrade an ENQ. -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Help with ILR035W
Thanks to all who tried to help. The system in question had been copied from another unit pair. I'm sure there must have been some comedy of errors that made the copies defective. It turns out that the original pair was still there, and IPL'ed smooth as silk. Again, thanks to all!! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shane Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 10:15 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Help with ILR035W On Fri, 2006-07-28 at 18:21 -0500, Hal Merritt wrote: Well, now I get 'deleted while in use'. I'd be thinking you are paddling around in the wrong catalog. A *very* careful check of all that you had done so far would be germane. With regard to the update record in the page dataset, this merely stops you deleting or using the same dataset on another system whilst it is active. It can be (re-)used after the using system is deactivated - you get a warning message about the last system to use that page dataset, but usage proceeds. At least that was how it happened when I tested this funtionality at z/OS 1.4 Shane ... NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: APF Authorized Code/Libraries.
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:47:00 + Jeffrey D. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :From: Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] :Sent: 7/30/2006 10:13 AM :To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU :Subject: Re: APF Authorized Code/Libraries. :On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 09:08:00 -0300 Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) :[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ::In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on ::07/28/2006 :: at 05:16 PM, Wayne Driscoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: ::While that is true, since non-reentrent code loaded out of an APF ::authorized library is loaded into KEY 8 storage, there is an ::integrity exposure if said code is loaded into a multi-user address ::space, since it is open to being modified (by accident or by intent) ::by a non-authorized program. ::Authorization is at the address space level. Normally it's impossible ::for authorized and unauthorized programs to run concurrently in the ::same address space. If your authorized code circumvents the normal ::safeguards then you have more serious issues than what key the code is ::loaded under. :Actually authorization is at the jobstep task level. :Some TSO commands can be attached authorized. TSO starts a parallel TMP as a jobstep task, and runs the command under it. -- Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: wd4z JES job Monitor
That's odd, because a netstat indicates that this port is free. Where did you find these error messages. The rc=38 is the job return code. Thanks, Mary Kay -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: wd4z JES job Monitor
In the netstat portlist is this 06715 TCP *DA The TCPIP person tells me that this should let someone in on the port, and that this is in there because of audit requirements. Could this be the problem? Thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Source maintenance was Re: SEQUENCE NUMBERS
On 30 Jul 2006 12:12:42 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: john gilmore wrote: I am as aware as EJ is of the historical use that has been made of SNs to maintain source programs, and I mentioned this role for them explicitly in the post he comments upon. We differ about the desirability of continuing to use them. So be it. Don't misunderstand me! We do *not* differ about the desirability of continuing to use sequence numbers. Personally, I don't like them. I prefer unnumbered source for programs not distributed to customers. My objection was to your assertion that the use of sequence numbers is now 'obsolete'. That would be a valid statement only if a viable alternative to their use for source-maintained programs existed. Unfortunately, one does not. How do the various source maintenance packages for other platforms such as Unix handle the problem. I'm thinking of CVS and the various Itegrated Development Environments. There are differential upgrades and other techniques. I am not familiar with them but realize that I am not familiar with most of the tools in the non-MVS environment. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: S99RBXLN Head's Up
I think Paul made a good point about not creating labels that are similar in format as the ones IBM distributes with their code. I quickly checked my code and was relieved to see that I avoided that trap. Nevertheless, thanks for the warning Ed. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Java Packed Decimal
Where is some code to process Z/Series packed decimal? I know it is not a primative data type. Is there any conversion routines? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: HSA Estimate
Agreed. That CPC model is a significant factor in HSA size is true. Also true is that IBM continues to provide more feature and function and that Driver upgrades to existing machines can and have increased HSA. It makes sense to have a little slack budgeted for growth or least to identify the LPAR which you will always activate last when you POR and which will incur the storage reduction. Best Regards, Sam Knutson, GEICO Performance and Availability Management mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (office) 301.986.3574 Think big, act bold, start simple, grow fast... -Original Message- Agreed. However I would vote for the following rule: - if you're on z/990 then your HSA is 1GB - if you're on z9 then your HSA is 2GB - if you're on z/900 or 9672 then your HSA is 256MB. It's still *simple* starting point. Regards -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: S99RBXLN Head's Up
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:04:01 -0700, Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Hallelujah!!! Happy days!! But ... wait! Was I prescient? The name I've been assigning for 20 years to this user defined symbol is *exactly* the same as that chosen by IBM for the official symbol. I now have literally dozens of programs that won't compile. They receive a Previously defined symbol error from the assembler! I'm not complaining. I'm editing. Consider yourselves forewarned... Well, you can use one of those obsolete sequence number things and create a SMP/E usermod to update the macro. :-) Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS and OS390 expert at http://searchDataCenter.com/ateExperts/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
HSM PDA Datasets
We have PDA(none) set in our HSM parms. I need to send a PDA trace off to IBM and am having trouble allocating the PDA datasets. 1.3.2.2.1 of hsm impl guide provides the JCL to allocate the logs but doesn't seem to show whether the datasets will automatically be recognised due to their naming standards or whether they need to be supplied to the HSM proc. Anyone know where i should be looking? Many thx, JJ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: sequence numbers (or whatever)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of john gilmore [ snip ] There is no necessary linkage between supplying SNs in card-image columns 73-80 and OCO foir JES2. Several other almost but perhaps not quite equally bizarre arguments for the continuing usefulness of SNs have been advanced during the evolution of this thread. My favorite---storm warning of a big word to come---is their notional usefulness in avoiding homoeoteleutera; but others may well have their own, different favorites. Young monk was assigned to assist in the manual copying of the monastery's manuscripts. He noticed that their source documents were themselves copies, so he informed the abbot, noting that by copying from copies they might be perpetrating errors introduced in previous transcriptions. You have a point, my son, said the abbot. I will go examine the original manuscripts. Several hours later, the abbot not yet having returned from the archives, the young monk went to the archives and found the abbot, forehead bruised from banging against the wall, sobbing and repeating, ... they left out the letter 'R' they left out the letter 'R' Forgive me, Father, the young monk interrupted, but what does that mean? You were right, my son. They left out the letter 'R' many transcriptions ago, and we have been repeating their error. But What is the significance of the letter 'R'? asked the monk. The word was . CELEBRATE! -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: HSM PDA Datasets
Joe jeffries wrote: We have PDA(none) set in our HSM parms. I need to send a PDA trace off to IBM and am having trouble allocating the PDA datasets. 1.3.2.2.1 of hsm impl guide provides the JCL to allocate the logs but doesn't seem to show whether the datasets will automatically be recognised due to their naming standards or whether they need to be supplied to the HSM proc. Anyone know where i should be looking? AFAIK you have to add DDnames to HSM JCL procedure. Dataset name is irrelevant. DDnames are ARCPDOX and ARCPDOY. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: HSM PDA Datasets
See section 1.5.1.2.1 of the same manual. The HSM proc must point to these data sets. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe jeffries Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 8:45 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: HSM PDA Datasets We have PDA(none) set in our HSM parms. I need to send a PDA trace off to IBM and am having trouble allocating the PDA datasets. 1.3.2.2.1 of hsm impl guide provides the JCL to allocate the logs but doesn't seem to show whether the datasets will automatically be recognised due to their naming standards or whether they need to be supplied to the HSM proc. Anyone know where i should be looking? Many thx, JJ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: S99RBXLN Head's Up
In a message dated 7/31/2006 8:35:35 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, you can use one of those obsolete sequence number things and create a SMP/E usermod to update the macro. :-) Yeah, but how are you gonna know whether to leave it or take it out without knowing the DFPLEVEL? Only way I see is PRE and SUP in usermod. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Data set ENQueues and DEQueues in Jobs
In a recent note, Ron and Jenny Hawkins said: Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:47:21 +0800 So you don't use SMS? Partly. We use SMS, but not all our prefixes and volumes are SMS controlled. Are yours? I once unwittingly created uncatalogued instances on every storage volume of several data set names because of this behavior. I should have said every _eligible_ storage volume. And this was long ago, perhaps even before SMS. -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: sequence numbers (or whatever)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of David Cole At 7/30/2006 09:12 AM, John Gilmore wrote: My favorite---storm warning of a big word to come---is their notional usefulness in avoiding homoeoteleutera; but others may well have their own, different favorites. Google User: define: homoeoteleutera Google (paraphrasing here): Huh? www.onelook.com user: homoeoteleutera www.onelook.com: Huh? Looks to me, John, like you've hit a home run here... Nor is it in the free subset of the online Oxford English Dictionary. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: S99RBXLN Head's Up
How about AIF (D'S99RBXLN).DONE_ALREADY inside the IBM supplied macro? You apply this to the macro via USERMOD... Regards, Steve Thompson -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Finnell Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 9:09 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: S99RBXLN Head's Up snip Yeah, but how are you gonna know whether to leave it or take it out without knowing the DFPLEVEL? Only way I see is PRE and SUP in usermod. snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: HSM PDA Datasets
Many thx, I'm on it. JJ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: S99RBXLN Head's Up
In a message dated 7/31/2006 9:37:38 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about AIF (D'S99RBXLN).DONE_ALREADY inside the IBM supplied macro? You apply this to the macro via USERMOD... Yeah, guess I'm looking for the snake pits where the usedmod or 3rd party software is applied on one system and copied to others which may not be at correct levels. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: S99RBXLN Head's Up
Guys, I wasn't serious (note the smiley face). I was (kiddingly) trying to cross threads to show that sequence numbers are not obsolete and do still have a valid use (which Ed already pointed out and I was using his example). Unless Ed wants to maintain a usermod from now until , he is taking the correct approach in changing his code. It's pay me now or pay me later, and Ed has decided to pay now. If he needed to make mass changes to his code to fix something in a short period of time, then I could see using a usermod on a temporary basis and cleaning up later. That isn't the case. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS and OS390 expert at http://searchDataCenter.com/ateExperts/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:37:18 -0400, Thompson, Steve (SCI TW) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about AIF (D'S99RBXLN).DONE_ALREADY inside the IBM supplied macro? You apply this to the macro via USERMOD... Regards, Steve Thompson snip Yeah, but how are you gonna know whether to leave it or take it out without knowing the DFPLEVEL? Only way I see is PRE and SUP in usermod. snip On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:35:15 -0500, Mark Zelden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, you can use one of those obsolete sequence number things and create a SMP/E usermod to update the macro. :-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Source maintenance was Re: SEQUENCE NUMBERS
From what I am familiar with from the Linux world, the method does not appear to be 100% bulletproof. Essentially, the diff program (e.g. http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man1/diff.1.html) is used to create a patch file by comparing the old and new source. Then the patch program (e.g. http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man1/patch.1.html) can be used to apply the changes to another copy of the old source. The person who runs the diff program must ensure that the context parameter specifies enough lines to ensure there are no ambiguities. Problem is, there is no guarantee that ambiguities won't still exist in different versions of the old source. I've seen claims that a particular patch will apply to multiple versions of a target program, but usually, the patch is documented as being applicable only to a specific version. At 08:37 AM 7/31/2006, Clark Morris wrote: On 30 Jul 2006 12:12:42 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: john gilmore wrote: I am as aware as EJ is of the historical use that has been made of SNs to maintain source programs, and I mentioned this role for them explicitly in the post he comments upon. We differ about the desirability of continuing to use them. So be it. Don't misunderstand me! We do *not* differ about the desirability of continuing to use sequence numbers. Personally, I don't like them. I prefer unnumbered source for programs not distributed to customers. My objection was to your assertion that the use of sequence numbers is now 'obsolete'. That would be a valid statement only if a viable alternative to their use for source-maintained programs existed. Unfortunately, one does not. How do the various source maintenance packages for other platforms such as Unix handle the problem. I'm thinking of CVS and the various Itegrated Development Environments. There are differential upgrades and other techniques. I am not familiar with them but realize that I am not familiar with most of the tools in the non-MVS environment. == Art Celestini Celestini Development Services Phone: 201-670-1674Wyckoff, NJ = http://celestini.com = Mail sent to the From address used in this post will be rejected by our server. Please send off- list email to: ibmmainat-signcelestinidotcom. == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: S99RBXLN Head's Up
I read this coming back and realized it might appear that I was talking down to you. Sorry, that was not my intent. Just to be a bit instructive to others that review this later. However, I have had to do this kind of thing in macros that we have had to capture to ensure correct code expansions (e.g., make sure they don't cause another macro to be generated a second time, such as IHAPSA). If I remember correctly, the D (Defined) attribute does not cause LOOK-AHEAD to take place -- But should LOOK-AHEAD have already taken place so that the generation or definition of YOUR code has occurred, I believe that HL-ASM ignores this and the AIF would fail and you would still generate the code. So the macro would have to be placed beyond the code where you would have your definitions (or end of the program as the case may be). Regards, Steve Thompson [This being Monday, having had two days off from work, I am having to be retrained in typing, sentence construction, and programming. And more importantly, wehre the blasted coffee pot is and how to use it.] -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Finnell Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 9:44 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: S99RBXLN Head's Up In a message dated 7/31/2006 9:37:38 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about AIF (D'S99RBXLN).DONE_ALREADY inside the IBM supplied macro? You apply this to the macro via USERMOD... Yeah, guess I'm looking for the snake pits where the usedmod or 3rd party software is applied on one system and copied to others which may not be at correct levels. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: S99RBXLN Head's Up
In a message dated 7/31/2006 9:55:31 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: retrained in typing, sentence construction, and programming. And more importantly, wehre the blasted coffee pot is and how to use it.] It's OK. I got one of those grind and brew thingys from Santa and Mondays seem to aggravate it to no endI liken it to those paint sprayers that are so convenient then takes half a day to clean all the pieces before reusing. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: S99RBXLN Head's Up
In a recent note, Thompson, Steve (SCI TW) said: Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:37:18 -0400 How about AIF (D'S99RBXLN).DONE_ALREADY inside the IBM supplied macro? In fact, Ed might need to do something of the sort inside his code in order to ease the transition to 1.8. Perhaps an SPLEVEL check. But I wonder why he placed his private definition of S99RBXLN in each of several source files rather than in a macro. Hmmm. Ed used S99RBXLN rather than the more obvious S99RBLEN to minimize the likelihood of collision with a possible IBM update. And IBM S99RBXLN rather than the more obvious S99RBLEN to minimize the likelihood of collision with possible private customer circumventions. Poker strategy? Rock-Scissors-Paper? Prisoner's Dilemma? -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CVS for MVS
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:22:35 +0100, Jim McAlpine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob, do you run this directly from TSO. Jim McAlpine Yes, batch TSO. It runs as part of a program generation job. Could run foreground TSO if we had an application. -Rob -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: S99RBXLN Head's Up
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:09:42 -0600, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm. Ed used S99RBXLN rather than the more obvious S99RBLEN to minimize the likelihood of collision with a possible IBM update. And IBM S99RBXLN rather than the more obvious S99RBLEN to minimize the likelihood of collision with possible private customer circumventions. Poker strategy? Rock-Scissors-Paper? Prisoner's Dilemma? S99RBLN (not LEN) is already provided for the length of S99RB. This new symbol is for the length of S99RBX, so it obviously more obvious g to include the X in the symbol for the length as well. As far as Ed's unfortunate collision, I'm pretty sure I would have chosen the exact same name - but I don't write software. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS and OS390 expert at http://searchDataCenter.com/ateExperts/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Source maintenance was Re: SEQUENCE NUMBERS
In a recent note, Art Celestini said: Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:52:03 -0400 From what I am familiar with from the Linux world, the method does not appear to be 100% bulletproof. Essentially, the diff program (e.g. http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man1/diff.1.html) is used to create a patch file by comparing the old and new source. Then the patch program (e.g. http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man1/patch.1.html) can be used to apply the changes to another copy of the old source. You needn't search so far afield. Both are part of the base z/OS, likely since MVS 5.2.2. But the GNU/Linux flavors have extensions which I value, and which the open source community regularly exploits. The person who runs the diff program must ensure that the context parameter specifies enough lines to ensure there are no ambiguities. Problem is, there is no guarantee that ambiguities won't still exist in different versions of the old source. I've seen claims that a particular patch will apply to multiple versions of a target program, but usually, the patch is documented as being applicable only to a specific version. And neither method protects against overlapping patches by different developers. In fact, if two different developers insert similar new code but the sequence numbers by happenstance are different (perhaps differentiated by ISPF's use of 79-80 as a vesion indicator), won't IEBUPDTE cheerfully interleave the patches with nary a warning? patch-diff's verification of context will likely result in at least a warning. -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Java Packed Decimal
= -Original Message- From: Benjamin White [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 7/31/2006 7:04 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Java Packed Decimal Where is some code to process Z/Series packed decimal? I know it is not a primative data type. Is there any conversion routines? = I don't know what is your definition of primitive data type. It seems to me that when a data type is supported directly by machine instructions, like Add Packed (AP), Zero and Add Packed (ZAP), Compare Packed (CP), etc., then it is a primitive (or native) data type. I also don't understand why you are mixing Java with z/Series packed decimal primitive data type. What does one have to do with the other? Jeffrey D. Smith Farsight Systems Corporation 24 BURLINGTON DR LONGMONT, CO 80501 303-774-9381 direct 303-709-8153 cell 303-484-6170 fax -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Data set ENQueues and DEQueues in Jobs
Gil, Partly. We use SMS, but not all our prefixes and volumes are SMS controlled. Are yours? In the last shop where I was a Storage Administrator - yes, every prefix is tested specifically or under a mask; and the last shop I did an SMS conversion - yes. That is except for SYSRES, MCAT, Paging, and a handful of sandpit volumes. Everything mounted as PRIVATE. SMS is your friend... :) I should have said every _eligible_ storage volume. And this was long ago, perhaps even before SMS. It can still happen. I do it on our Lab systems all the time :( Ron -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Source maintenance was Re: SEQUENCE NUMBERS
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Clark Morris) writes: How do the various source maintenance packages for other platforms such as Unix handle the problem. I'm thinking of CVS and the various Itegrated Development Environments. There are differential upgrades and other techniques. I am not familiar with them but realize that I am not familiar with most of the tools in the non-MVS environment. rcs, cvs, etc ... tend to be down-dates ... you have the complete source for the current version ... with control information how to regress to earlier versions. cms had update command from mid-60s ... which applied an update control file to source, resulting in temporary file to be updated recent refs: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006o.html#14 SEQUENCE NUMBERS this provides a short description of the evoluation of the CMS update command into multi-level source maintenance updates http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006n.html#45 sorting one of the things that fell by the wayside was an application that attempting to merge potentially parallel update activity. during the early days at the science center http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech evolving the cms multi-level source maintenance process ... there was an application written that attempted to merge and resolve parallel update/maint. operations. the infrastructure evolved out of a joint project between cambridge and endicott to add 370 virtual machine support to cp67. cp67 provide virtual 360 and virtual 360/67 (i.e. virtual memory) virtual machines ... but 370 was going to announce virtual memory (it was something like two years away). 370 virtual memory definition had various differences from 360/67. the idea was quickly implement 370 virtual machines (with 370 defined virtual memory hardware tables) under cp67 (running on 360/67). the multi-level initially consisted of 1) normal set of updates and enhancements built on base cp67 source, (cp67l system) 2) set of updates applied to normal cp67 that added support for 370 virtual machine option (cp67h system) 3) set of updates that modified cp67 kernel to run on 370 hardware (rather than 360/67 hardware; cp67i system) part of the issue was that the cambridge cp67 system hosted some number of students (mit, bu, harvard, etc) and other non-employees in the boston area. since 370 virtual memory hadn't been announced yet, it was being treated as super sensitive corporate information and there was no desire for it to leak to non-employees. as a result only #1 kernel typically ran on the real hardware. #2 kernel would run in a 360/67 virtual machine, isolated from prying eyes of the students and other non-employees. for testing of #2, #3 would then run in a 370 virtual machine (under #2 kernel, running in 360/67 virtual machine under #1 kernel, which ran on real machine). so potential problem was that there might be new updates introduced at the #1 level (earlier in the update sequence) which might impact the updates applied later in the update sequence (i.e. updates to the base system that was going on independently supporting changes for 370 virtual machines). as an aside, cp67i was up and running as normal operation a year before the first engineering 370 machine with virtual memory support was operational. then as 370 real machines with virtual memory support became available internally (still well before customer first customer ship), the cp67i was standard operating system running on those (real) machines ... at least until the vm370 morph became available (and some of the other operating system development got far enuf along to move from testing in virtual machine to real machine operation). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: S99RBXLN Head's Up
In a recent note, Thompson, Steve (SCI TW) said: Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:55:00 -0400 However, I have had to do this kind of thing in macros that we have had to capture to ensure correct code expansions (e.g., make sure they don't cause another macro to be generated a second time, such as IHAPSA). I believe it's a requirement of ANSI C that all standard library headers should be coded so they may be #include'd repeatedly, and subsequent invocations are benign. This is usually accomplished by similar conditional compilation. And each library header must #include all its prerequisites so the prerequisites are invisible to the end user. IBM would have done well to follow such conventions uniformly. They don't appear to, with some exceptions such as IATYREGS. I tried to follow these conventions on an assembler project I worked on once. I was overruled by the IBM programmer culture (If a definitions member needs to be COPYed in, I want to be the one who codes the COPY, not another library member.) If I remember correctly, the D (Defined) attribute does not cause LOOK-AHEAD to take place -- But should LOOK-AHEAD have already taken place so that the generation or definition of YOUR code has occurred, I believe that HL-ASM ignores this and the AIF would fail and you would still generate the code. So the macro would have to be placed beyond the code where you would have your definitions (or end of the program as the case may be). Shouldn't it be the other way around, both the invocation of the library macro and your conditional definition at the beginning so LOOK-AHEAD will not have triggered the definition when the conditional definition is encountered? This is getting perilously near an ASSEMBLER-LIST thread. -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: S99RBXLN Head's Up
Paul Gilmartin wrote: In a recent note, Thompson, Steve (SCI TW) said: Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:37:18 -0400 How about AIF (D'S99RBXLN).DONE_ALREADY inside the IBM supplied macro? In fact, Ed might need to do something of the sort inside his code in order to ease the transition to 1.8. Perhaps an SPLEVEL check. Nope. We always assemble with the latest macros. So all I have to is delete *my* definition of S99RBXLN. But I wonder why he placed his private definition of S99RBXLN in each of several source files rather than in a macro. The technique was used in one module 20 years ago. When another program was written that needed to use IEFZB4D0, the same technique was used, and so on... Hmmm. Ed used S99RBXLN rather than the more obvious S99RBLEN to minimize the likelihood of collision with a possible IBM update. And IBM S99RBXLN rather than the more obvious S99RBLEN to minimize the likelihood of collision with possible private customer circumventions. Poker strategy? Rock-Scissors-Paper? Prisoner's Dilemma? The obvious symbol name was S99RBXLN. My intent was to use the right name. That is, to use the name the developer would have picked had s/he remembered to add the symbol to the macro. Obviously, I guessed right! Not a single program reference needs to be changed! -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: APF Authorized Code/Libraries.
On 7/31/2006 2:44 AM, Binyamin Dissen wrote: TSO starts a parallel TMP as a jobstep task, and runs the command under it. In my experience, and from reading the code, the parallel TMP is not a jobstep task. IKJEFT01 (or one of its relatives) is the jobstep task, and the parallel TMP is merely another instance of IKJEFT02 attached as a normal subtask below IKJEFT01, with some special processing to freeze other activity while it runs. Walt Farrell, CISSP z/OS Security Design, IBM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SEQUENCE NUMBERS
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:12:16 -0700, Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My objection was to your assertion that the use of sequence numbers is now 'obsolete'. That would be a valid statement only if a viable alternative to their use for source-maintained programs existed. Unfortunately, one does not. CVS diff/patch format? -Rob -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Java Packed Decimal
Here's what I did. www.google.com search criteria: site:ibm.com java packed decimal Most interesting hit (based upon 15 seconds of analysis) was a web page apparently authored by Mike Cowlishaw (IBM) regarding all of the issues surrounding attempting to use floating point arithmetic for commercial data processing. http://www2.hursley.ibm.com/decimal/ First paragraph from the above web page: Most computers today support binary floating-point in hardware. While suitable for many purposes, binary floating-point arithmetic should not be used for financial, commercial, and user-centric applications or web services because the decimal data used in these applications cannot be represented exactly using binary floating-point. (See the Frequently Asked Questions pages for more explanation and examples.) Brian On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:04:35 -0500, Benjamin White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where is some code to process Z/Series packed decimal? I know it is not a primative data type. Is there any conversion routines? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Homoeoteleutera / Google Architecture / sequence numbers (or whatever)
In a message dated 7/30/2006 10:04:58 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: homoeoteleutera - Google Search homoeoteleutera__ SearchAdvanced Search Did you mean: homoioteleuton I did the same, clicked on Google's suggested alternate spelling, and was taken to a Wikipedia page on which the word was spelled homo- in the link address but consistently misspelled home- all through the article. I wonder now if there is a Greek-based word meaning consistently misspelling a word everywhere but in the metadata that points to it. :-) The -utera change from -uton that Mr. Gilmore used is clearly nothing more than pluralizing the Greek neuter singular noun ending of -on into -a, although I don't understand the insertion of the -er. I guess. :-) But the other discrepancies may be a genuine misspelling. For shame! I wish Mr. Gilmore would pepper his erudite postings with obscure Latin-based words rather than Greek-based, as I studied Latin a lot more (4 years) than I did Greek (6 weeks). :-) Bottom line: I believe the Wikipedia article explains Mr. Gilmore's word, although its orthography is still uncertain. Bill Fairchild -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Strobe equivalents
I'm researching equivalents to Compuware's Strobe. I've identified InTune from BMC. Are there any others? Rich Szabo, Senior Programmer Analyst, CICS State Auto Insurance Companies http://www.StateAuto.com http://www.StateAuto.com/ 518 E. Broad St., Columbus, OH 43215-3976 [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: (614) 917-5684 fax: (614) 464-5006 * This message was scanned by the corporate mail server for viruses and objectionable content. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Strobe equivalents
In a message dated 7/31/2006 11:57:40 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm researching equivalents to Compuware's Strobe. I've identified InTune from BMC. Are there any others? TMON/MVS from ASG (Allen Systems Group) has similar functions for determining where in a large program or cluster of programs the CPU time is being spent. There may be other functions of Strobe to compare, but I am not aware of any, having never used Strobe. Bill Fairchild -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Strobe equivalents
FreezeFrame from Macro4 Serena has something IBM has something Don Imbriale -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Szabo, Rich Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 12:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Strobe equivalents I'm researching equivalents to Compuware's Strobe. I've identified InTune from BMC. Are there any others? *** Bear Stearns is not responsible for any recommendation, solicitation, offer or agreement or any information about any transaction, customer account or account activity contained in this communication. *** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: APF Authorized Code/Libraries.
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 07/30/2006 at 07:13 PM, Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Actually authorization is at the jobstep task level. Isn't the APF status in the ASCB? ASCBAUTH, as I recall. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Strobe equivalents
You already mentioned two of the three applications performance profile tools I know of the other is Freezeframe. Macro4 Freezframe http://www.macro4.com/ BMC Intune nee Trilog TriTune http://www.trilogexpert.com/en/tritune/index.html http://www.bmc.com/products/proddocview/0,2832,19052_19429_23398_1363,00 .html Strobe http://www.compuware.com/ Best Regards, Sam Knutson, GEICO Performance and Availability Management mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (office) 301.986.3574 Think big, act bold, start simple, grow fast... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Szabo, Rich Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 12:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Strobe equivalents I'm researching equivalents to Compuware's Strobe. I've identified InTune from BMC. Are there any others? Rich Szabo, Senior Programmer Analyst, CICS State Auto Insurance Companies http://www.StateAuto.com http://www.StateAuto.com/ 518 E. Broad St., Columbus, OH 43215-3976 [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: (614) 917-5684 fax: (614) 464-5006 This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Strobe equivalents
Don you are right I forgot about APA. http://www-306.ibm.com/software/awdtools/apa/ Thanks, Sam -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Imbriale, Donald (Exchange) Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 1:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Strobe equivalents FreezeFrame from Macro4 Serena has something IBM has something Don Imbriale This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: APF Authorized Code/Libraries.
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: Isn't the APF status in the ASCB? ASCBAUTH, as I recall. JSCBAUTH -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Strobe equivalents
Hi Bill, I didn't include TMONMVS as the applications performance analysis and profile capability of TMON, OMEGAMON, MAINVIEW, and SYSVIEW just doesn't stack up. These tools are oriented towards systems programmers where APA, TRITUNE/INTUNE, STROBE, and FREEZEFRAME are designed especially for use by applications programmers. The include features such as mapping execution time back to specific COBOL source statements, integrated EXPLAIN of DB2 SQL calls, enhanced support for subsystem utilization by the application program (DB2, MQ, CICS, IMS, etc.). The monitor tools often require an expert both in MVS internals and the tools to make sense out of what is displayed and do application tuning. TMONMVS doesn't help much for your average CICS transaction invoking DB2. Best Regards, Sam Knutson, GEICO Performance and Availability Management mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (office) 301.986.3574 Think big, act bold, start simple, grow fast... -Original Message- I'm researching equivalents to Compuware's Strobe. I've identified InTune from BMC. Are there any others? TMON/MVS from ASG (Allen Systems Group) has similar functions for determining where in a large program or cluster of programs the CPU time is being spent. There may be other functions of Strobe to compare, but I am not aware of any, having never used Strobe. Bill Fairchild This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: APF Authorized Code/Libraries.
Actually authorization is at the jobstep task level. Isn't the APF status in the ASCB? ASCBAUTH, as I recall. No, it is the JSCBAUTH bit in the job step control block. Hence job step level. CC -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: APF Authorized Code/Libraries.
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:14:16 -0300 Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 07/30/2006 : at 07:13 PM, Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: :Actually authorization is at the jobstep task level. :Isn't the APF status in the ASCB? ASCBAUTH, as I recall. JSCBOPTS/JSCBAUTH. -- Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Strobe equivalents
I wondered why you omitted our favorite Lampdark product. Now I understand. I didn't know that much about the other comparable products. Thanks for the info. Bill Fairchild -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: HSA Estimate
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:19:19 -0500, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember the days when a MEG cost 10K .. price has come down quite a bit, IMO. Ed I can do you one better, Ed. I remember memory for about $1/byte. 1/4 million dollars for a box with 256 MB. Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: HSA Estimate
In a message dated 7/31/2006 12:22:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can do you one better, Ed. I remember memory for about $1/byte. I can't resist this one. At $1/byte and 8 bits per byte, that meant that each bit cost one bit (a monetary bit used to mean 1/8 of a dollar). Not including the parity bit, of course. Bill Fairchild -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
TROUBLE SHOOTING - EXHPDM
Hi To all Would anybody kindly suggest where I should look for tips on trouble shooting EXHPDM. I looked at the archives but I didn't see any. For example, my batch job which takes a copy of the database journals fail . I do the following commands to see if anything is active: /HPDM D DET /HPDM D DB Is there anything else I should do? Also, if there are other trouble shooting tips for anything related to EXHPDM please include them. Thanks Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TROUBLE SHOOTING - EXHPDM
On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 03:44:12 +1000, John Dawes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi To all Would anybody kindly suggest where I should look for tips on trouble shooting EXHPDM. I looked at the archives but I didn't see any. The archives are great but are probably better for answering questions more than general trouble shooting. You didn't say what your failure was either. I assume you tried looking at the manuals. If that didn't help, why not make a call to the vendor? You pay for the support, you might as well try using it. :-) Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS and OS390 expert at http://searchDataCenter.com/ateExperts/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Homoeoteleutera et al.
Repenting of having used the word at all, I had resolved to say nothing more about it, but I have received too many off-line queries. The 'English singular form is, normally, homoeoteleuton. Variants are, however, possible; and in a context in which the presence of Greek dropouts could be excluded I would myself write 'homoioteleuton'. Doing so is akin to writing 'Thoukidides' instead of the Latinized form 'Thucydides'. The first form is 'more correct', but it is also unfamiliar, a piece of business designed to confuse or annoy the ignorant when it is used out of context. The plural form is either -era or just -a. Again the first is 'more correct' at least in Patristic Latin (sic), but the second would have been more immediately accessible by analogy with such pairs as automaton/automata and criterion/criteria. Bill Fairchild's conjecture is thus entirely correct, and I will try to avoid Greek very largely in the future. (I was strong tempted to use Hapax legomenon [mot ou expression qui napparaît quune seule fois dans un corpus donné, #960;#945;#958; #955;#949;#947;#972;#956;#949;#957;#959;#957;] earlier today, but in the end I did not do so.) John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Homoeoteleutera et al.
That's all right. Most of the stuff on this forum is Geek to me. Daniel McLaughlin ZOS Systems Programmer Crawford Company PH: 770 621 3256 * Everything comes to him who hustles while he waits. ? Thomas A. Edison -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: sequence numbers (or whatever)
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:12:44 +, john gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The triviality of this issue is, however, convenient in one way. It provides an occasion for noting that clinging to a piece of obsolete technology that we know and love, a high resolve to go on using it until it is pried from our lifeless fingers, is dysfunctional. This is starting to look like a personal attack now, John. Ed Jaffe gave a specific example of a situation where like numbers are needed. Do you have another method of handling his usermod? Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
BMC Mainview zOS History Reporting ??
Is there a batch program that will generate the various reports of the data contained in the Mainview history dataset? It is nice to do this interactively, but often it is also nice to capture the data off to a formal report before the data rolls off the history dataset. Thanks, -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: HSA Estimate
Sam. I agree with you and others about the size of HSA. Shouldn't there be a tool or formula provided by IBM to give an estimate for sizing? zed On Jul 31, 2006, at 8:28 AM, Knutson, Sam wrote: Agreed. That CPC model is a significant factor in HSA size is true. Also true is that IBM continues to provide more feature and function and that Driver upgrades to existing machines can and have increased HSA. It makes sense to have a little slack budgeted for growth or least to identify the LPAR which you will always activate last when you POR and which will incur the storage reduction. Best Regards, Sam Knutson, GEICO Performance and Availability Management mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (office) 301.986.3574 Think big, act bold, start simple, grow fast... -Original Message- Agreed. However I would vote for the following rule: - if you're on z/990 then your HSA is 1GB - if you're on z9 then your HSA is 2GB - if you're on z/900 or 9672 then your HSA is 256MB. It's still *simple* starting point. Regards -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Java Packed Decimal
The standard device for giving Java access to packed-decimal data is to convert these data into double-precision (eight-byte) BFP values. This is always possible, and to the extent that Java is good at any arithmetic, it is good at floating-point arithmetic, which it uses very heavily indeed. John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Strobe equivalents
On Monday 31 July 2006 12:57, Szabo, Rich wrote: I'm researching equivalents to Compuware's Strobe. I've identified InTune from BMC. Are there any others? I keep a list here: http://gsf-soft.com/Documents/MVS-APPL-DEBUGGING.shtml -- Gilbert Saint-Flour GSF Software http://gsf-soft.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: BMC Mainview zOS History Reporting ??
Is there a batch program that will generate the various reports of the data contained in the Mainview history dataset? It is nice to do this interactively, but often it is also nice to capture the data off to a formal report before the data rolls off the history dataset. Yes, there is a batch reporting interface. Check out your product documentation or call BMC support. CC -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: OSA SF and IOACMD
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 07/31/2006 at 02:38 AM, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Insulting! Obnoxious! A few pointers, rather than holier than thou could be a good thing. I have provided pointers, and even sample code[1]. If I haven't provided them to *you* lately, that's because of *your* attitude. If I wanted to hear obnoxious insults, I'd call my ex-wife. I can see why she's your ex wife. One of the purposes of this forum is to help, not insult! So start helping and stop insulting. If he is such an expert, why can't he drop a few hints? Have you stopped beating your ex wife? I have dropped hints, and more than hints. I plan to continue doing so, but not for the benefit of people who demand that I do. [1] With the proviso that it is tailored to my needs and may contain bugs. OTOH, when someone points out a bug I do try to correct it. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: S99RBXLN Head's Up
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 07/30/2006 at 04:30 PM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: 45 years ago an IBM assembler provided a HED pseudo-op which implicitly qualified symbols in a range of statements. That sounds like FAP, which appended a character to the names rather than providing a unique namespace as QUAL did in IBMAP. This was a variant of name scoping; I don't know whether it would have helped in this case. IMHO a full fledged QUAL would have been extremely useful, whether or not it helped in this specific case. Despite the dozens of errors, do you need to do anything more than delete the single definition in your macro? Not if he doesn't need to assemble using the old maclib, which he says isn't an issue for him. Someone distributing the code to outsiders might have to do more. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: S99RBXLN Head's Up
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 07/31/2006 at 09:47 AM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I believe it's a requirement of ANSI C that all standard library headers should be coded so they may be #include'd repeatedly, and subsequent invocations are benign. This is usually accomplished by similar conditional compilation. Yes, but that requires that the includes be at the beginning. There are sound reasons for the culture of putting them at the end. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: sequence numbers (or whatever)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 07/30/2006 at 01:12 PM, john gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The triviality of this issue is, however, convenient in one way. It provides an occasion for noting that clinging to a piece of obsolete technology that we know and love, a high resolve to go on using it until it is pried from our lifeless fingers, is dysfunctional. Your analysis is flawed by the invalid assumption that those defending sequence numbers love them. I have, in my career, always strived to be an early adopter of new technology, and have eagerly dropped old technology WHEN IT CEASED TO PROVIDE ME WITH VALUE. I have not, however, been willing to drop old technology that was still useful simply because it was old and out of style. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Data set ENQueues and DEQueues in Jobs
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 07/30/2006 at 09:44 AM, Robert A. Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Part of the problem with this type of incorrect conflict is that the SYSDSN Queue (the QNAME used for the ENQ/DEQ) regards the DSN (the RNAME) as the identifier of the Dataset not the CORRECT DSN with VOLSER. Which volser? You would have to be very careful to avoid a deadly embrace. This goes back to the OS360 (PCP/MFT/MVT) days when the concept of having two CPUs sharing their ENQ/DEQ Queue was not imagined. OS/360 supported shared DASD. OS/360 had an MP option and ASP supported loosely coupled processors. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Source maintenance was Re: SEQUENCE NUMBERS
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 07/31/2006 at 09:40 AM, Anne Lynn Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: cms had update command from mid-60s ... which applied an update control file to source, I'm not sure when it came along, but by VM/SE there was a somewhat more sophisticated UPDATE facility[1] with aux files, control files and update files. I'd love to see a similar facility integrated with ISPF. [1] Not only could the XEDIT editor process them, but it could generate update files to reproduce the effects of an edit session. That's one of the CMS facilities I miss the most. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Source maintenance was Re: SEQUENCE NUMBERS
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 07/31/2006 at 09:37 AM, Clark Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: How do the various source maintenance packages for other platforms such as Unix handle the problem. They generally use tools based on diff, which are like the little girl with a little curl right in the middle of her forehead; when they are good they are very, very good, and when they are bad they are horrid. I am not familiar with them but realize that I am not familiar with most of the tools in the non-MVS environment. CVS ia available in the MVS environment. I'm not sure about subversion. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Strobe equivalents
IBM Tivoli's Omegamon -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Szabo, Rich Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 9:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Strobe equivalents I'm researching equivalents to Compuware's Strobe. I've identified InTune from BMC. Are there any others? Rich Szabo, Senior Programmer Analyst, CICS State Auto Insurance Companies http://www.StateAuto.com http://www.StateAuto.com/ 518 E. Broad St., Columbus, OH 43215-3976 [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: (614) 917-5684 fax: (614) 464-5006 * This message was scanned by the corporate mail server for viruses and objectionable content. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Java Packed Decimal
Subsituting BFP for decimals may be standard, but it is usually a bad idea (as are many standard programming practices) :-( The standard java package java.math contains a BigDecimal class, which is commonly used with JDBC drivers for Decimal columns. IBM's JDK has an alternative version. Unfortunately, you have to write your own code to convert a packed decimal byte-array field into a java.math.BigDecimal, but it's not too difficult. Also, some versions of Websphere Studio Application Developer (aka Rational Developer) have (somewhat lousy) support for converting Cobol copy books into Java classes with field accessors for Cobol data types. Fortunately, there's not too much packed/zoned decimal data on mainframes any more :-) Kirk Wolf dovetail.com john gilmore wrote: The standard device for giving Java access to packed-decimal data is to convert these data into double-precision (eight-byte) BFP values. This is always possible, and to the extent that Java is good at any arithmetic, it is good at floating-point arithmetic, which it uses very heavily indeed. John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA _ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Java Packed Decimal
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk Wolf Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Java Packed Decimal SNIP Fortunately, there's not too much packed/zoned decimal data on mainframes any more :-) SNIP ! Must'a been tongue in cheek. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Strobe equivalents
- Original Message - From: Szabo, Rich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: Strobe equivalents I'm researching equivalents to Compuware's Strobe. I've identified InTune from BMC. Are there any others? Rich, I recently used APA (Application Performance Analyzer) from IBM, and it's a pretty good package. My client drove CA crazy because we proved that IDMS V16.0 local mode was anywhere from 10-30% greater CPU than V14.0 local mode. CA hemmed and hawed before finally fessing up that the CPU was greater. They then gave us the fangoo and said they couldn't do anything about it. APA is terrific if you want to rake your OEM vendors over the coals about performance. Unfortunately my client's trial expired before we could turn it loose on CATALOG Regards, Tom Conley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: sequence numbers (or whatever)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 10:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: sequence numbers (or whatever) In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 07/30/2006 at 01:12 PM, john gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The triviality of this issue is, however, convenient in one way. It provides an occasion for noting that clinging to a piece of obsolete technology that we know and love, a high resolve to go on using it until it is pried from our lifeless fingers, is dysfunctional. Your analysis is flawed by the invalid assumption that those defending sequence numbers love them. I have, in my career, always strived to be an early adopter of new technology, and have eagerly dropped old technology WHEN IT CEASED TO PROVIDE ME WITH VALUE. I have not, however, been willing to drop old technology that was still useful simply because it was old and out of style. snip I second this, although I'm not one to be on the bleeding edge any longer (spending money to debug someone else's idea...). I am working where we use a library management product. The lack of sequence numbers has bitten twice in the past 4 months that I've been here. Yet the library maint product does not require or even use sequence numbers. Also, when IBM was discussing with COBOL J3 (or was it J4) the changing of COBOL input LRECL80 (I think this was called unformatted), it never occurred to their people that they [IBM] have software written in COBOL where the protocol is to keep the SEQUENCE numbers the same (as much as is possible) so that USER code that is INSTALLATION dependant could be merged into the source for compilation (Example: CPCS). As a result of dropping the sequence numbering scheme, CPCS (for one) can't adopt the new format. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Java Packed Decimal
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:12:15 -0500, Kirk Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fortunately, there's not too much packed/zoned decimal data on mainframes any more :-) I don't agree that it is fortunate. Decimal is the number system used by the vast majority of humanoid life forms, and IMHO binary is a poor substitute. The common decimal number 0.1 converts to binary as the infinite series 0.000110011001100110011001100110011001100110011001100. Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Strobe equivalents - APA
On Monday 31 July 2006 15:25, Pinnacle wrote: I recently used APA (Application Performance Analyzer) from IBM, and it's a pretty good package. If I'm not mistaken, APA is Macro4's FreezeFrame product that IBM distributes under a different name. -- Gilbert Saint-Flour GSF Software http://gsf-soft.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: HSA Estimate
On Jul 31, 2006, at 12:22 PM, Tom Marchant wrote: ---SNIP-- I can do you one better, Ed. I remember memory for about $1/byte. 1/4 million dollars for a box with 256 MB. ahhh yes you got to the core of the apple:) Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Homoeoteleutera et al.
On Jul 31, 2006, at 12:57 PM, john gilmore wrote: Bill Fairchild's conjecture is thus entirely correct, and I will try to avoid Greek very largely in the future. (I was strong tempted to use Reminder: Do not invite John G. Out to a Greek restaurant at SHARE:) Ed Hapax legomenon [mot ou expression qui n’apparaît qu’une seule fois dans un corpus donné, #960;#945;#958; #955;#949;#947;#972;#956;#949;#957;#959;#957;] earlier today, but in the end I did not do so.) John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http:// toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SEQUENCE NUMBERS
Yes. It is also possible to have vestigal line numbers on just some lines. In that case do a RENUM followed by a UNNUM. IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 07/28/2006 08:51:59 AM: Thanks, I'm just an old guy who learned how to delete them a long time ago. Does UNNUM also set NUM OFF? Jon L. Veilleux [EMAIL PROTECTED] (860) 636-2683 -Original Message- From: Perryman, Brian Subject: Re: SEQUENCE NUMBERS You don't need to edit them out, the UNNUM command does it for you. -Original Message- From: Veilleux, Jon L Subject: Re: SEQUENCE NUMBERS You can delete them in your JCL file. On the command line enter 'NUM OFF'. Then enter c p'=' ' ' all 72 80 This will delete your sequence numbers. Jon L. Veilleux [EMAIL PROTECTED] (860) 636-2683 -Original Message- From: John Dawes Subject: SEQUENCE NUMBERS I noticed that when I perform a FTP function from Mainframe (I am using FTP to retrieve jcls) to my pc I notice that sequence numbers appear on the file. How can I prevent these annoying sequence numbers from appearing on the output? Thanks - The information contained in this communication (including any attachments hereto) is confidential and is intended solely for the personal and confidential use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. The information may also constitute a legally privileged confidential communication. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, dissemination, copying, or unauthorized use of this information, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. Thank you -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Java Packed Decimal
Yes, I have been considering extending java.math.BigDecimal. My first Java Z/series programs have converted the packed decimal byte array to Unicode for display. Would extending Big Decimal be the best solution? Any problems with this? From: Kirk Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Java Packed Decimal Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:12:15 -0500 Subsituting BFP for decimals may be standard, but it is usually a bad idea (as are many standard programming practices) :-( The standard java package java.math contains a BigDecimal class, which is commonly used with JDBC drivers for Decimal columns. IBM's JDK has an alternative version. Unfortunately, you have to write your own code to convert a packed decimal byte-array field into a java.math.BigDecimal, but it's not too difficult. Also, some versions of Websphere Studio Application Developer (aka Rational Developer) have (somewhat lousy) support for converting Cobol copy books into Java classes with field accessors for Cobol data types. Fortunately, there's not too much packed/zoned decimal data on mainframes any more :-) Kirk Wolf dovetail.com john gilmore wrote: The standard device for giving Java access to packed-decimal data is to convert these data into double-precision (eight-byte) BFP values. This is always possible, and to the extent that Java is good at any arithmetic, it is good at floating-point arithmetic, which it uses very heavily indeed. John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Doing a LM of two words on a double word bounday - is it serialized?
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:34:33 -0700, Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Your interpretation is correct, Ed. A CPU fetching a doubleword in a concurrent manner (as LM is defined to do when fetching from a doubleword boundary) is protected once the fetch starts from any updates by other CPUs. Thanks for confirming this, Walt! It's comforting to know I don't have a lot of broken software due to a misreading of the rules of the architecture! ;-) ... This thread is one of the real gems that occassionally come up on IBM-Main. I don't do programming that needs this kind of information so I have not paid any attention to this kind of topic for years. But I do have to do diagnosis where this could be important - where contents of registers don't match storage from where they were loaded. I would never have thought of the concurrency issue; I would just been baffled. And even if I never run into this, the topic was interesting. Thanks to all those that contributed. And thanks for coming to a definitive answer. Pat O'Keefe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Sequence numbers (AGAIN!)
Dear all, A lot of responses was sent to my question what are the SN's needed for. That's fine so many people wanted to response. I learned something (or rather recollected) - indeed, we still have IEBUDTE utility, sometimes used in SMP/E. The numbers can also be used in ISPF editor. Maybe TSO EDIT also, but this is quite irrelevant IMHO. The discussion about SMP/E and IEBUDPTE is pointless - yes, it could be done in another manner (other platforms does not use SN's and still live) - no, there is no alternative in SMP/E. In my opinion, the numbers are rarely used in editor. This is my observation, not accurate statistics. People use blocks, even labels, but not the numbers itself. OK, to recap again, the sequence numbers are used for: 1. IEBUDTE, which is used by SMP/E 2. editor 3. punched card sorter. Anything else ? BTW: Since SN's are important for SMP/E, they shouldn't be changed. So, they are rather part of content, not just editor numbers. g Regards -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: HSA Estimate
I can do you one better, Ed. I remember memory for about $1/byte. 1/4 million dollars for a box with 256 MB. ahhh yes you got to the core of the apple:) No, not core... semiconductor. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Homoeoteleutera et al.
Thats just plain old bad. I couldn't let it go. Eric Bielefeld Sr. z/OS Systems Programmer Milwaukee Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Daniel A. McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's all right. Most of the stuff on this forum is Geek to me. Daniel McLaughlin ZOS Systems Programmer Crawford Company PH: 770 621 3256 * Everything comes to him who hustles while he waits. ? Thomas A. Edison -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Sequence numbers (AGAIN!)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 4:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Sequence numbers (AGAIN!) SNIP OK, to recap again, the sequence numbers are used for: 1. IEBUDTE, which is used by SMP/E 2. editor 3. punched card sorter. Anything else ? SNIP Certain IBM products are supplied as source (for one example, again CPCS/CPCS-II) and depend on the SN outside of SMP/E. Granted, maint or mods are applied by IEBUDTE, but they may also be applied by SORT (I know of one place that does it that way, and drops the duplicates). Just to be sure, the users (applications programmers) do NOT do their maint via USERMOD (SMP/E). I have seen products (do not know if they still exist) that used the COBOL S/N instead of the STD S/N in 73-80 (these were NON-IBM systems as well). Just wanted to be sure that you caught the difference from the typical SMP/E situation -- IEBUPDTE may be used outside of it. Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: sequence numbers (or whatever)
I have a question to all those who don't think sequence numbers are needed. If you don't use sequence numbers either at the beginning or end of a record, how do you electronically update a source deck, be it JCL, COBOL, assember, a macro, or whatever? I don't think the DIFF command is the answer. What does Microsoft use, or do they always just totally replace source? Eric Bielefeld Sr. z/OS Systems Programmer Milwaukee Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 07/30/2006 at 01:12 PM, john gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The triviality of this issue is, however, convenient in one way. It provides an occasion for noting that clinging to a piece of obsolete technology that we know and love, a high resolve to go on using it until it is pried from our lifeless fingers, is dysfunctional. Your analysis is flawed by the invalid assumption that those defending sequence numbers love them. I have, in my career, always strived to be an early adopter of new technology, and have eagerly dropped old technology WHEN IT CEASED TO PROVIDE ME WITH VALUE. I have not, however, been willing to drop old technology that was still useful simply because it was old and out of style. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Data set ENQueues and DEQueues in Jobs
In a recent note [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:20:31 -0300 Part of the problem with this type of incorrect conflict is that the SYSDSN Queue (the QNAME used for the ENQ/DEQ) regards the DSN (the RNAME) as the identifier of the Dataset not the CORRECT DSN with VOLSER. Which volser? You would have to be very careful to avoid a deadly embrace. Some months ago in these pages I proposed the rudiments of a scheme of obtaining a SHR ENQ on each DEB when a data set is opened, and an EXCL ENQ on the DEB of any extent to be freed. Mark Thomen (IIRC) countered with examples of system code that manipulate extents without ever creating DEBs. The consensus of the list was that my idea was refuted and the topic closed. Apparently it has resurfaced. But no one has considered the rescue of the idea -- that any code which manipulates extents ought to be repaired either to create DEBs or at least to issue the ENQs that would be required. -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: sequence numbers (or whatever)
In a recent note, Eric N. Bielefeld said: Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:25:18 -0500 I have a question to all those who don't think sequence numbers are needed. If you don't use sequence numbers either at the beginning or end of a record, how do you electronically update a source deck, be it JCL, COBOL, assember, a macro, or whatever? I don't think the DIFF command is the answer. What does Microsoft use, or do they always just totally replace source? Something like diff is more frequently the answer than is generally acknowledged. I wonder how much IEBUPDTE control input nowadays is typed by hand vs. how much is generated by some sort of compare utility, diff being only one instance? -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Java packed decimal
-Original Message- From: john gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 7/31/2006 3:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Java packed decimal Benjamin White writes: | Yes, I have been considering extending java.math.BigDecimal. My first Java Z/series programs | have converted the packed decimal byte array to Unicode for display. and I am much impressed. I hope the two single machine instructions o PKU, PacK Unicode, and o UNPKU, UnPacK Unicode, figured at least implicitly in this horrendous effort. As I noted earlierJava does much of its arithmetic in BFP, some of under the covers; and the notion of converting PD values into BFP for use in C/C++ or Java environments, while it can certainly be characterized, even stigmatized, as a standard practice, is also a good one, the best one at least until ASCII DFP becomes available on z/Architecture machines. John Gilmore I suggest writing a new class that has one or more factory methods for creating a BigDecimal from an array of byte. Don't extend BigDecimal. 2 cents worth. your mileage may vary. Jeffrey D. Smith Farsight Systems Corporation 24 BURLINGTON DR LONGMONT, CO 80501 303-774-9381 direct 303-709-8153 cell 303-484-6170 fax -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: sequence numbers (or whatever)
Your probably right that some automated process is used to create the update files. My question is how the updates can be merged in to the main source without something like a line number. The only thing I can think of is it would use a relative record number from the beginning of the file. With a line number in 73-80, I can visually see that the numbers are in sequence. Without a line number, how do you know that the merge of the diff file with the source has it in the correct sequence? Eric Bielefeld Sr. z/OS Systems Programmer Milwaukee Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a recent note, Eric N. Bielefeld said: Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:25:18 -0500 I have a question to all those who don't think sequence numbers are needed. If you don't use sequence numbers either at the beginning or end of a record, how do you electronically update a source deck, be it JCL, COBOL, assember, a macro, or whatever? I don't think the DIFF command is the answer. What does Microsoft use, or do they always just totally replace source? Something like diff is more frequently the answer than is generally acknowledged. I wonder how much IEBUPDTE control input nowadays is typed by hand vs. how much is generated by some sort of compare utility, diff being only one instance? -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Strobe equivalents
Sam wrote on 01/08/2006 03:12:00 AM: I didn't include TMONMVS as the applications performance analysis and profile capability of TMON, OMEGAMON, MAINVIEW, and SYSVIEW just doesn't stack up. These tools are oriented towards systems programmers where APA, TRITUNE/INTUNE, STROBE, and FREEZEFRAME are designed especially for use by applications programmers. Agree entirely - the only problem I see in all this is that I have to quite often twist arms to get the devs interested. They see it as sysprog-type stuff, and won't get involved. And there are a few imperatives as well - like they are competent to understand the output, *and* the associated code. And nobody ever wants to go back over old (legacy) code, no matter how much of a (resource) pig it is. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Strobe equivalents - APA
On Monday 31 July 2006 16:50, Imbriale, Donald , Exchange wrote: I believe it is/was Serena's APM. No it isn't/wasn't ! -- Gilbert Saint-Flour GSF Software http://gsf-soft.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Sequence numbers (AGAIN!)
On Monday 31 July 2006 17:42, Thompson, Steve , SCI TW wrote: OK, to recap again, the sequence numbers are used for: 1. IEBUDTE, which is used by SMP/E 2. editor 3. punched card sorter. Anything else ? I use ISPF NUM STD extensively on PDS members. Besides setting sequence numbers in pos 73-78 of source members, NUM STD sets pos 79-80 to the member's LEVEL number in order to track changes. Strictly speaking, I don't really use sequence numbers, but I use a by-product of the method ISPF manages sequence fields. I rely on level numbers in pos 79-80 so much that I have an EDIT macro called LVL which recycles gas levels, i.e. it compresses level numbers by reusing those which have no corresponding record in the member and adjusting pos 79-80 of the records, as needed. -- Gilbert Saint-Flour GSF Software http://gsf-soft.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Java Packed Decimal
On 31 Jul 2006 08:31:48 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: = -Original Message- From: Benjamin White [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 7/31/2006 7:04 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Java Packed Decimal Where is some code to process Z/Series packed decimal? I know it is not a primative data type. Is there any conversion routines? = I don't know what is your definition of primitive data type. It seems to me that when a data type is supported directly by machine instructions, like Add Packed (AP), Zero and Add Packed (ZAP), Compare Packed (CP), etc., then it is a primitive (or native) data type. I also don't understand why you are mixing Java with z/Series packed decimal primitive data type. What does one have to do with the other? While I don't know the answer to the original poster's question, bit is a native data type (more or less) to the z series but until the yet to be implemented 2002 COBOL standard, COBOL refused to recognize it. IEEE floating point is another hardware primitive data type that IBM COBOL short-sightedly refuses to recognize. I would guess that Java has no means of describing packed decimal thus not having that data type as a primitive. Clark Morris Jeffrey D. Smith Farsight Systems Corporation 24 BURLINGTON DR LONGMONT, CO 80501 303-774-9381 direct 303-709-8153 cell 303-484-6170 fax -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: wd4z JES job Monitor
Mary Kay Tubello wrote: That's odd, because a netstat indicates that this port is free. Where did you find these error messages. The rc=38 is the job return code. Thanks, Mary Kay If is is the job RC then I have no clue what it may mean. There is a errno 38 in SYS1.MACLIB member BPXYERNO. In TCP/IP Application Programmers Interface (SC31-8788), there is a return code 38, but I don't think this is a job RC, but a RC from TCP/IP calls. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: wd4z JES job Monitor
Mary Kay Tubello wrote: In the netstat portlist is this 06715 TCP *DA The TCPIP person tells me that this should let someone in on the port, and that this is in there because of audit requirements. Could this be the problem? Thanks Based on the books this means is that TCP port 6517 is reserved for any MVS jobname. I never knew you could do this and I am confused as to why you would want to reserve a port and then allow any job to use it. My understanding of port reserveration is to reserve the port for use by a specific task. Does wd4z run as a MVS job or a OMVS daemon? If it runs as OMVS daemon, you may have to reserve this to OMVS, but '*' should allow this. I think, as I said I never knew you could do '*' on a port reservation. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: sequence numbers (or whatever)
In a recent note, Edward Jaffe said: Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:10:59 -0700 Eric N. Bielefeld wrote: Your probably right that some automated process is used to create the update files. My question is how the updates can be merged in to the main source without something like a line number. The only thing I can think of is it would use a relative record number from the beginning of the file. With a line number in 73-80, I can visually see that the numbers are in sequence. Without a line number, how do you know that the merge of the diff file with the source has it in the correct sequence? http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0607L=ibm-mainP=211314 diff generates and patch is alert to both o Relative line number o Context This is identical to the information used by AMASPZAP: displacement and verified context. Are you comfortable with AMASPZAP? patch does not require the relative line number match exactly. if another patch has introduced a shift, patch will report something such as Chunk 42 succeeded with offset 7. I haven't experimented to see whether when there are two candidate targets, patch reliably chooses the one with the lesser offset. The worst case is when there are two identical target areas and one of them is patched by patch A. Patch B then adds or deletes lines so the other area is at the offset targeted by patch A, which then applies the patch to the wrong target. This is about as improbable as my envisioned scenario in which IEBUPDTE cold interleave lines introduced by two independently developed patches. patch does not require that the context match exactly. It reports with a message such as Chunk 43 succeeded with fuzz 2 where 2 is the number of unmatched lines in the context. patch requires that lines being replaced match exactly (subject to an option that causes white space to be ignored, or another that causes each nonempty span of white space to be treated as a single blank for matching purposes). Chunks that fail are written to an exception file so the programmer may resolve them by intelligent inspection. The primary output file is written updated with chunks that succeed. patch provides a greater repertoire of warnings for suspicionable updates than IEBUPDTE, and, through the exception file, greater assistance to the programmer for recovering for failures. It's widely used with great success, though, as Shmuel says, it has its pitfalls. Like foreign cuisine, it should be approached with an open mind. -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: BMC Mainview zOS History Reporting ??
Is there a batch program that will generate the various reports of the data contained in the Mainview history dataset? It is nice to do this interactively, but often it is also nice to capture the data off to a formal report before the data rolls off the history dataset. Yes, there is a batch reporting interface. Check out your product documentation or call BMC support. CC Being that I work in BMC MAINVIEW Software Support, I will echo Chris's post (based on his past lifeg). The MAINVIEW Batch Interface will generate a Batch ISPF job that will generate reports. It's documented in the MAINVIEW User Guide (MVI 5.0) or Using MAINVIEW (MVI 4.2) in the chapter entitled Historical data in windows mode. Contact MAINVIEW support for more information. Keith Moe BMC Software, Inc. MAINVIEW for OS/390 (soon to be renamed MAINVIEW for z/OS) Support -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
