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And it is still alive and well. I'd expect to see some updates in this space soon too: https://www.sinenomine.net/products-and-services/products-and-tools/mono On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 11:02 AM Tim Hare wrote: > The Mono project ran .NET stuff on Linux, and I have seen it running on > z/Linux > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- ><º>`·.¸¸´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸>(((º> .·´¯`·.><º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><º> <>< Go fishing ><> -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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W dniu 13.10.2020 o 19:28, Salva Carrasco pisze: Well not 16, but we run 10-12 trans per real client every day. Well, my knowledge from real life: 40-50 CICS transaction per customer every day. Note: every customer, including those who haven't been serviced for years or use services once a month. However I can imagine different setup and much more CICS transactions per business process. Oh, nobody said it covers productions systems only. What about tests? What about performance tests? What about bath processes running CICS services? -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169.401.468 as at 1 January 2020. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 2020-10-12 10:04 PM, Joe Monk wrote: "For example, show me a customer that is running Node.js in production on z/OS?" How long has it been since youve been to SHARE? Pittsburgh. I can't remember any customer presentations about deploying Node is production. Are you aware of any since you obviously go to more SHARE conferences than me? I spoke to CICS devs from Hursley about running Node in CICS and they told me they have customers trying it out in sandboxes but no production. Java is strategic and runs on zIIP. We found some serious performance problems with Node.js on z/OS. The libuv event loop can spike and peg at 50% CPU. We dumped it and it seems to be looping and leaking file descriptors. Maybe it's not ready for prime time yet. Hopefully, zCX containers will solve some of these "porting" issues. Joe On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 7:36 AM David Crayford wrote: On 2020-10-12 8:21 PM, Joe Monk wrote: IBM has also aggressively added support for newer technologies on System z. "All modern stuff runs well on the big box, from Linux to Kubernetes," Mueller said. "So cloud makes sense when you need infinite compute for AI/ML or storage for Big Data. Then the size nature of the mainframe is the problem. But that's the problem with all on-premises IT." https://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/news/252478861/Google-Cloud-adds-mainframe-migration-expertise-via-acquisition If you have a low tolerance for BS then why are you spouting it? All you've done is re-post IBM marketing material. Have you got anything original? For example, show me a customer that is running Node.js in production on z/OS? Joe On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 5:57 AM David Crayford wrote: On 2020-10-12 6:41 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: Coming from the guy who said he does PayPal, Amazon, & Apple transactions and doesn’t know those transactions are mainframe processed through a bank. So what? The payments system is not running on a mainframe. Nor is the mobile payments back-end and all the other infrastructure. Paypal are moving to GCP https://cloud.google.com/customers/featured/paypal#the-solution. You seem to think I am bashing the mainframe, which I am not. I love the mainframe. I work on it everyday and have done for 30+ years. But I have a low tolerance for BS! Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, October 12, 2020, 5:53 AM, David Crayford < dcrayf...@gmail.com> wrote: On 2020-10-12 12:19 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: Amazon, PayPal, & Apple either have a mainframe (PayPal did when I interviewed there) In what parallel universe did Amazon, Paypal run a mainframe? lala-land? If I google "paypal technology stack" and I don't see a mainframe! Mainframes are for running legacy applications written in COBOL, PL/I etc. Paypal is written in Java, Scala, Python and recently replatformed to Node.js - JavaScript! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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W dniu 12.10.2020 o 17:23, Ed Jaffe pisze: On 10/12/2020 8:15 AM, Clark Morris wrote: I would be astounded if Microsoft was running any of their business today on other than Microsoft operating systems or Linux on x86 and ARM hardware. Microsoft has an IBM mainframe running z/OS. One of their guys comes to SHARE. I saw him a while back in Orlando and just recently (Fort Worth?). To clear discussion: I'm pretty sure Microsoft has some mainframe. At least for testing purposes, i.e. for supporting mainframe migration. For the same reason you may find non-IBM storage in IBM datacenter. Of course that prove nothing except IT staff need some equipment to work on. However it was open secret that Microsoft have been using AS/400 machine for their internal needs, AFAIK it was accounting and HR. So, Microsoft have been using AS/400 for their own needs. BTW: First FTP servers in Microsoft were on some unix or linux. When it became loud, Microsoft closed site and some time later they started using Windows. It was in dark ages on commercial Internet. BTW2: Nowadays they officially play with Linux, but IMHO this is smokescreen. Dot-net-core is claimed it can run code on Windows or Linux. Well I know a lot of Windows installations running .net core, but none using Linux. BTW3: I remember press article about mainframe switch-off in HP. It was great gala. AFAIK the mainframe was Amdahl machine with 600GB of dasd storage (or it was database). So, another computer vendor using competitive technology. BTW4: Almost all IT world use SAN equipment from Brocade/Broadcom. Almost all companies use laptops with Windows. Almost all of you use mobile device from China or Far East. Yes, including Apple. BTW5: Vast majority of large banks use mainframe. That's something obvious for me. However WHAT ABOUT THE REST? What about very few large banks NOT using mainframe? What are they using? I believe it is not Windows. But what? HP-Compaq-DEC VMS? -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169.401.468 as at 1 January 2020. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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IBM runs Azure for MS Sent from my iPhone I promise you I can’t type or Spell on any smartphone > On Oct 12, 2020, at 10:23, Ed Jaffe wrote: > > On 10/12/2020 8:15 AM, Clark Morris wrote: >> >> I would be astounded if Microsoft was running any of their business >> today on other than Microsoft operating systems or Linux on x86 and >> ARM hardware. > > Microsoft has an IBM mainframe running z/OS. One of their guys comes to > SHARE. I saw him a while back in Orlando and just recently (Fort Worth?). > > -- > Phoenix Software International > Edward E. Jaffe > 831 Parkview Drive North > El Segundo, CA 90245 > https://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ > > > > This e-mail message, including any attachments, appended messages and the > information contained therein, is for the sole use of the intended > recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient or have otherwise > received this email message in error, any use, dissemination, distribution, > review, storage or copying of this e-mail message and the information > contained therein is strictly prohibited. If you are not an intended > recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies > of this email message and do not otherwise utilize or retain this email > message or any or all of the information contained therein. Although this > email message and any attachments or appended messages are believed to be > free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into > which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient > to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by the > sender for any loss or damage arising in any way from its opening or use. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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As a worker-bee within IBM GTS - let me just say this is a distraction I could do without Chris Hoelscher Lead Sys DBA IBM Global Technical Services on assignmemt to Humana Inc. T 502.476.2538 or 502.407.7266 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Clark Morris Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 11:15 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [IBM-MAIN] Microsoft using IBM was Re: IBM splitting into two companies [External Email: Use caution with links and attachments] [Default] On 12 Oct 2020 07:49:43 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main charl...@mcn.org (Charles Mills) wrote: >I know they did 25-ish years ago. I personally saw it. Also an AS/400 -- their >corporate travel department ran on it. I would be astounded if Microsoft was running any of their business today on other than Microsoft operating systems or Linux on x86 and ARM hardware. Clark Morris > >Charles > > >-Original Message- >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] >On Behalf Of Allan Staller >Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 6:55 AM >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies > >Classification: HCL Internal > >The dirty little secret is that MSOFT has a mainframe in the back office! > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send >email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. Humana Inc. and its subsidiaries comply with applicable Federal civil rights laws and do not discriminate on the basis of race, color, national origin, ancestry, age, disability, sex, marital status, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or religion. Humana Inc. and its subsidiaries do not exclude people or treat them differently because of race, color, national origin, ancestry, age, disability, sex, marital status, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or religion. English: ATTENTION: If you do not speak English, language assistance services, free of charge, are available to you. Call 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711). Español (Spanish): ATENCIÓN: Si habla español, tiene a su disposición servicios gratuitos de asistencia lingüística. Llame al 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711). 繁體中文(Chinese):注意:如果您使用繁體中文,您可以免費獲得語言援助 服務。請致電 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711)。 Kreyòl Ayisyen (Haitian Creole): ATANSION: Si w pale Kreyòl Ayisyen, gen sèvis èd pou lang ki disponib gratis pou ou. Rele 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711). Polski (Polish): UWAGA: Jeżeli mówisz po polsku, możesz skorzystać z bezpłatnej pomocy językowej. Zadzwoń pod numer 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711). 한국어 (Korean): 주의: 한국어를 사용하시는 경우, 언어 지원 서비스를 무료로 이용하실 수 있습니다. 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711)번으로 전화해 주십시오. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 10/12/2020 8:15 AM, Clark Morris wrote: I would be astounded if Microsoft was running any of their business today on other than Microsoft operating systems or Linux on x86 and ARM hardware. Microsoft has an IBM mainframe running z/OS. One of their guys comes to SHARE. I saw him a while back in Orlando and just recently (Fort Worth?). -- Phoenix Software International Edward E. Jaffe 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 https://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ This e-mail message, including any attachments, appended messages and the information contained therein, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient or have otherwise received this email message in error, any use, dissemination, distribution, review, storage or copying of this e-mail message and the information contained therein is strictly prohibited. If you are not an intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of this email message and do not otherwise utilize or retain this email message or any or all of the information contained therein. Although this email message and any attachments or appended messages are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by the sender for any loss or damage arising in any way from its opening or use. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I agree with Joe. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, October 12, 2020, 10:48 AM, Joe Monk wrote: Mainframes have been running node.js for years. In fact you can run Linux/390 and z/OS side by side on the same box with LPARs... "A Forrester survey released in 2019 found that 56% of respondents planned to increase their mainframe usage over the next two years, while 36% planned on the same amount of use. IBM has also aggressively added support for newer technologies on System z. "All modern stuff runs well on the big box, from Linux to Kubernetes," Mueller said. "So cloud makes sense when you need infinite compute for AI/ML or storage for Big Data. Then the size nature of the mainframe is the problem. But that's the problem with all on-premises IT." https://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/news/252478861/Google-Cloud-adds-mainframe-migration-expertise-via-acquisition If you have a low tolerance for BS then why are you spouting it? Joe On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 5:57 AM David Crayford wrote: > On 2020-10-12 6:41 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: > > Coming from the guy who said he does PayPal, Amazon, & Apple > transactions and doesn’t know those transactions are mainframe > processed through a bank. > > So what? The payments system is not running on a mainframe. Nor is the > mobile payments back-end and all the other infrastructure. Paypal are > moving to GCP > https://cloud.google.com/customers/featured/paypal#the-solution. > > You seem to think I am bashing the mainframe, which I am not. I love the > mainframe. I work on it everyday and have done for 30+ years. But I have > a low tolerance for BS! > > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > On Monday, October 12, 2020, 5:53 AM, David Crayford < > dcrayf...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 2020-10-12 12:19 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: > >> Amazon, PayPal, & Apple either have a mainframe (PayPal did when I > interviewed there) > > In what parallel universe did Amazon, Paypal run a mainframe? lala-land? > > > > If I google "paypal technology stack" and I don't see a mainframe! > > Mainframes are for running legacy applications written in COBOL, PL/I > etc. > > Paypal is written in Java, Scala, Python and recently replatformed to > > Node.js - JavaScript! > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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You act like IBM marketing material isn’t true. Prove to me it’s false that 90% of credit card transactions don’t process on the mainframe. I’ve provided proof it is. You’ve provided nothing to disprove it. It’s not hard to come to the 90% conclusion since almost all banks worldwide run on the mainframe. Google it. There are dozens of articles that all say the same. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, October 12, 2020, 11:03 AM, David Crayford wrote: On 2020-10-12 8:21 PM, Joe Monk wrote: > IBM has also aggressively added support for newer technologies on System z. > "All modern stuff runs well on the big box, from Linux to Kubernetes," > Mueller said. "So cloud makes sense when you need infinite compute for > AI/ML or storage for Big Data. Then the size nature of the mainframe is the > problem. But that's the problem with all on-premises IT." > https://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/news/252478861/Google-Cloud-adds-mainframe-migration-expertise-via-acquisition > > If you have a low tolerance for BS then why are you spouting it? All you've done is re-post IBM marketing material. Have you got anything original? For example, show me a customer that is running Node.js in production on z/OS? > Joe > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 5:57 AM David Crayford wrote: > >> On 2020-10-12 6:41 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: >>> Coming from the guy who said he does PayPal, Amazon, & Apple >> transactions and doesn’t know those transactions are mainframe >> processed through a bank. >> >> So what? The payments system is not running on a mainframe. Nor is the >> mobile payments back-end and all the other infrastructure. Paypal are >> moving to GCP >> https://cloud.google.com/customers/featured/paypal#the-solution. >> >> You seem to think I am bashing the mainframe, which I am not. I love the >> mainframe. I work on it everyday and have done for 30+ years. But I have >> a low tolerance for BS! >> >> >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Monday, October 12, 2020, 5:53 AM, David Crayford < >> dcrayf...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On 2020-10-12 12:19 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: Amazon, PayPal, & Apple either have a mainframe (PayPal did when I >> interviewed there) >>> In what parallel universe did Amazon, Paypal run a mainframe? lala-land? >>> >>> If I google "paypal technology stack" and I don't see a mainframe! >>> Mainframes are for running legacy applications written in COBOL, PL/I >> etc. >>> Paypal is written in Java, Scala, Python and recently replatformed to >>> Node.js - JavaScript! >>> >>> -- >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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[Default] On 12 Oct 2020 07:49:43 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main charl...@mcn.org (Charles Mills) wrote: >I know they did 25-ish years ago. I personally saw it. Also an AS/400 -- their >corporate travel department ran on it. I would be astounded if Microsoft was running any of their business today on other than Microsoft operating systems or Linux on x86 and ARM hardware. Clark Morris > >Charles > > >-Original Message- >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On >Behalf Of Allan Staller >Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 6:55 AM >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies > >Classification: HCL Internal > >The dirty little secret is that MSOFT has a mainframe in the back office! > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I know they did 25-ish years ago. I personally saw it. Also an AS/400 -- their corporate travel department ran on it. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Allan Staller Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 6:55 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies Classification: HCL Internal The dirty little secret is that MSOFT has a mainframe in the back office! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Before pontificating on "stupid" patents, PLEASE study the general field just a tiny bit! These are defensive patents and the unfortunate patent systems (mostly led by the U.S.) make these very necessary. The only stupidity involved (other than the whole patent process) is not understanding the larger business world. Firms exist that buy up "stupid" patents, often written so broadly as to cover practically anything, and then sue major companies for patent infringement. Filing the suits cost relatively little. Fighting the suits costs $considerably$ more. Sure, the patent owners would probably lose in court, but the whole process costs the target companies $money$ and time --- any they often "settle" ($$$) out of court to avoid larger expenses. Of course, that is the whole objective of the exercise. It would be stupid for IBM (and other companies) not to try to protect themselves, and filing trivial defensive patents is one method of doing so. If you want to pontificate about stupid functions, please move your target to the patent systems. It can be a very complex topic in the modern world where the dividing line between hardware and software and algorithms is so fuzzy. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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"For example, show me a customer that is running Node.js in production on z/OS?" How long has it been since youve been to SHARE? Joe On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 7:36 AM David Crayford wrote: > On 2020-10-12 8:21 PM, Joe Monk wrote: > > > IBM has also aggressively added support for newer technologies on System > z. > > "All modern stuff runs well on the big box, from Linux to Kubernetes," > > Mueller said. "So cloud makes sense when you need infinite compute for > > AI/ML or storage for Big Data. Then the size nature of the mainframe is > the > > problem. But that's the problem with all on-premises IT." > > > https://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/news/252478861/Google-Cloud-adds-mainframe-migration-expertise-via-acquisition > > > > If you have a low tolerance for BS then why are you spouting it? > > All you've done is re-post IBM marketing material. Have you got anything > original? For example, show me a customer that is running Node.js in > production on z/OS? > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 5:57 AM David Crayford > wrote: > > > >> On 2020-10-12 6:41 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: > >>> Coming from the guy who said he does PayPal, Amazon, & Apple > >> transactions and doesn’t know those transactions are mainframe > >> processed through a bank. > >> > >> So what? The payments system is not running on a mainframe. Nor is the > >> mobile payments back-end and all the other infrastructure. Paypal are > >> moving to GCP > >> https://cloud.google.com/customers/featured/paypal#the-solution. > >> > >> You seem to think I am bashing the mainframe, which I am not. I love the > >> mainframe. I work on it everyday and have done for 30+ years. But I have > >> a low tolerance for BS! > >> > >> > >>> > >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > >>> > >>> > >>> On Monday, October 12, 2020, 5:53 AM, David Crayford < > >> dcrayf...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> On 2020-10-12 12:19 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: > Amazon, PayPal, & Apple either have a mainframe (PayPal did when I > >> interviewed there) > >>> In what parallel universe did Amazon, Paypal run a mainframe? > lala-land? > >>> > >>> If I google "paypal technology stack" and I don't see a mainframe! > >>> Mainframes are for running legacy applications written in COBOL, PL/I > >> etc. > >>> Paypal is written in Java, Scala, Python and recently replatformed to > >>> Node.js - JavaScript! > >>> > >>> -- > >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >> -- > >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >> > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
Classification: HCL Internal The dirty little secret is that MSOFT has a mainframe in the back office! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Clark Morris Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 2:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] [Default] On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 10:40:07 -0700 (PDT), in bit.listserv.ibm-main computer chyck wrote: >> snip much > >Cloud computing is alot like teenage sex - everybody is doing it (or wants to >do it) but nobody has a flippin' clue how to do it correctly!!! What I fear is that Amazon and Microsoft both have a far better idea of what cloud computing is and how to do it than does IBM. I also suspect that Amazon has all of their computing on their cloud and is very well aware of the need for high security and has worked very hard to achieve it. Microsoft based on my experience with their Knowledge Center (repository for fixes and the equivalent of PTF cover letters) seems to understand high availability better than IBM based on postings here on ibm-main. Clark Morris -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ::DISCLAIMER:: The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and intended for the named recipient(s) only. E-mail transmission is not guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or may contain viruses in transmission. The e mail and its contents (with or without referred errors) shall therefore not attach any liability on the originator or HCL or its affiliates. Views or opinions, if any, presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of HCL or its affiliates. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and / or publication of this message without the prior written consent of authorized representative of HCL is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify the sender immediately. Before opening any email and/or attachments, please check them for viruses and other defects. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 10:44:09 -0500, Dave Jousma wrote: >Anyone know any more about this? > >https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ibm-divestiture/ibm-to-break-up-109-year-old-company-to-focus-on-cloud-growth-idUSKBN26T1TZ > >https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ibm-to-accelerate-hybrid-cloud-growth-strategy-and-execute-spin-off-of-market-leading-managed-infrastructure-services-unit-301148458.html IBM's announcements says that IBM will "separate its Managed Infrastructure Services unit of its Global Technology Services division into a new public company." It might help to understand that the IBM Systems and IBM Global Technology Services (GTS) divisions are in very different businesses. IBM Systems produces hardware, operating systems, and related software products for sale. In support of that it also has its own "Lab Services" group that is focused on helping clients embrace the new, as well as understand the old. We have some amount of overlap with GTS, but we're on a much smaller scale with more advanced and more tightly focused services. GTS is focused on contracted services that include system operations, data center management and operation, application development (formerly of IBM Global Business Services), long-term staff augmentation, project management, general IT consulting, and Other Duties As Assigned. One suspects that a considerable amount of effort has been spent drawing a line between "Managed Infrastructure Services" and "Other". At some point IBM will publish more details, I'm sure. Alan Altmark IBM Systems Lab Services Senior Managing z/VM Consultant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
On 2020-10-12 8:21 PM, Joe Monk wrote: IBM has also aggressively added support for newer technologies on System z. "All modern stuff runs well on the big box, from Linux to Kubernetes," Mueller said. "So cloud makes sense when you need infinite compute for AI/ML or storage for Big Data. Then the size nature of the mainframe is the problem. But that's the problem with all on-premises IT." https://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/news/252478861/Google-Cloud-adds-mainframe-migration-expertise-via-acquisition If you have a low tolerance for BS then why are you spouting it? All you've done is re-post IBM marketing material. Have you got anything original? For example, show me a customer that is running Node.js in production on z/OS? Joe On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 5:57 AM David Crayford wrote: On 2020-10-12 6:41 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: Coming from the guy who said he does PayPal, Amazon, & Apple transactions and doesn’t know those transactions are mainframe processed through a bank. So what? The payments system is not running on a mainframe. Nor is the mobile payments back-end and all the other infrastructure. Paypal are moving to GCP https://cloud.google.com/customers/featured/paypal#the-solution. You seem to think I am bashing the mainframe, which I am not. I love the mainframe. I work on it everyday and have done for 30+ years. But I have a low tolerance for BS! Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, October 12, 2020, 5:53 AM, David Crayford < dcrayf...@gmail.com> wrote: On 2020-10-12 12:19 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: Amazon, PayPal, & Apple either have a mainframe (PayPal did when I interviewed there) In what parallel universe did Amazon, Paypal run a mainframe? lala-land? If I google "paypal technology stack" and I don't see a mainframe! Mainframes are for running legacy applications written in COBOL, PL/I etc. Paypal is written in Java, Scala, Python and recently replatformed to Node.js - JavaScript! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
Mainframes have been running node.js for years. In fact you can run Linux/390 and z/OS side by side on the same box with LPARs... "A Forrester survey released in 2019 found that 56% of respondents planned to increase their mainframe usage over the next two years, while 36% planned on the same amount of use. IBM has also aggressively added support for newer technologies on System z. "All modern stuff runs well on the big box, from Linux to Kubernetes," Mueller said. "So cloud makes sense when you need infinite compute for AI/ML or storage for Big Data. Then the size nature of the mainframe is the problem. But that's the problem with all on-premises IT." https://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/news/252478861/Google-Cloud-adds-mainframe-migration-expertise-via-acquisition If you have a low tolerance for BS then why are you spouting it? Joe On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 5:57 AM David Crayford wrote: > On 2020-10-12 6:41 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: > > Coming from the guy who said he does PayPal, Amazon, & Apple > transactions and doesn’t know those transactions are mainframe > processed through a bank. > > So what? The payments system is not running on a mainframe. Nor is the > mobile payments back-end and all the other infrastructure. Paypal are > moving to GCP > https://cloud.google.com/customers/featured/paypal#the-solution. > > You seem to think I am bashing the mainframe, which I am not. I love the > mainframe. I work on it everyday and have done for 30+ years. But I have > a low tolerance for BS! > > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > On Monday, October 12, 2020, 5:53 AM, David Crayford < > dcrayf...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 2020-10-12 12:19 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: > >> Amazon, PayPal, & Apple either have a mainframe (PayPal did when I > interviewed there) > > In what parallel universe did Amazon, Paypal run a mainframe? lala-land? > > > > If I google "paypal technology stack" and I don't see a mainframe! > > Mainframes are for running legacy applications written in COBOL, PL/I > etc. > > Paypal is written in Java, Scala, Python and recently replatformed to > > Node.js - JavaScript! > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
I never post BS. I interviewed at PayPal quite a few years ago at their Columbus, Ohio location. Up in Dublin a northern suburb. They had a mainframe then. Apple & Amazon uses a credit card processor which uses a mainframe. PayPal also tries to push a credit card on you which is processed by Synchrony bank’s mainframe. IBM isn’t splitting into 2 to sell one. Google split into 2 also a few years ago. Patents are a good thing and generally indicate a company has intelligent engineers whose work should be protected. Latest quarter IBM did over 6 billion in cloud revenue. Half what AZURE did & more than half what AWS did. Yeah, they bought it from Red Hat but that’s just smart business. So the 2% claim is now BS. The mainframe isn’t going away in my lifetime & probably not yours. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, October 12, 2020, 6:57 AM, David Crayford wrote: On 2020-10-12 6:41 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: > Coming from the guy who said he does PayPal, Amazon, & Apple transactions and > doesn’t know those transactions are mainframe processed through a bank. So what? The payments system is not running on a mainframe. Nor is the mobile payments back-end and all the other infrastructure. Paypal are moving to GCP https://cloud.google.com/customers/featured/paypal#the-solution. You seem to think I am bashing the mainframe, which I am not. I love the mainframe. I work on it everyday and have done for 30+ years. But I have a low tolerance for BS! > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Monday, October 12, 2020, 5:53 AM, David Crayford > wrote: > > On 2020-10-12 12:19 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: >> Amazon, PayPal, & Apple either have a mainframe (PayPal did when I >> interviewed there) > In what parallel universe did Amazon, Paypal run a mainframe? lala-land? > > If I google "paypal technology stack" and I don't see a mainframe! > Mainframes are for running legacy applications written in COBOL, PL/I etc. > Paypal is written in Java, Scala, Python and recently replatformed to > Node.js - JavaScript! > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
On 2020-10-12 6:41 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: Coming from the guy who said he does PayPal, Amazon, & Apple transactions and doesn’t know those transactions are mainframe processed through a bank. So what? The payments system is not running on a mainframe. Nor is the mobile payments back-end and all the other infrastructure. Paypal are moving to GCP https://cloud.google.com/customers/featured/paypal#the-solution. You seem to think I am bashing the mainframe, which I am not. I love the mainframe. I work on it everyday and have done for 30+ years. But I have a low tolerance for BS! Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, October 12, 2020, 5:53 AM, David Crayford wrote: On 2020-10-12 12:19 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: Amazon, PayPal, & Apple either have a mainframe (PayPal did when I interviewed there) In what parallel universe did Amazon, Paypal run a mainframe? lala-land? If I google "paypal technology stack" and I don't see a mainframe! Mainframes are for running legacy applications written in COBOL, PL/I etc. Paypal is written in Java, Scala, Python and recently replatformed to Node.js - JavaScript! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
Coming from the guy who said he does PayPal, Amazon, & Apple transactions and doesn’t know those transactions are mainframe processed through a bank. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, October 12, 2020, 5:53 AM, David Crayford wrote: On 2020-10-12 12:19 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: > Amazon, PayPal, & Apple either have a mainframe (PayPal did when I > interviewed there) In what parallel universe did Amazon, Paypal run a mainframe? lala-land? If I google "paypal technology stack" and I don't see a mainframe! Mainframes are for running legacy applications written in COBOL, PL/I etc. Paypal is written in Java, Scala, Python and recently replatformed to Node.js - JavaScript! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: PC market (was IBM splitting into two companies)
IBM and Microsoft: Antitrust then and now https://www.cnet.com/news/ibm-and-microsoft-antitrust-then-and-now/ The first half of the article deals with the IBM antitrust lawsuit that started in 1969 and lasted for 13 years. It helped set the stage for MSFT. Since IBM was afraid of being the target of the justice department again. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 7:53 PM, Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: On Sun, 11 Oct 2020 15:50:14 +, Bill Johnson wrote: >They were forced out in a lawsuit first filed in 1969 that the government/IBM >settled in early 80’s. I’m not referring to them selling their PC business to >Lenovo. Read up. It set up MSFT to dominate the PC software market. IBM and >Microsoft: Antitrust then and now > Cite? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
Yes, semantics! Here's another cracker https://www.ft.com/content/6f02ce76-e1d6-45d8-b27a-0491281c2507! On 2020-10-12 5:55 PM, R.S. wrote: David, You wrote: "IBM patents are mostly pathetic." I understand it as (almost all) IBM patents are pathetic. I disagree with such generalisation. Now you write: "It was me that said they were pathetic" Which can be understood as SOME patents are pathetic. Note: not "mostly", and not "IBM patents". English is not my native language, but I see important difference between those two statements. My opinion - I sustain what I wrote, with no changes or distortions. Maybe it is not obvious, but I didn't say there are no pathetic patents at all. However I think such patents are exceptions, not majority. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
David, You wrote: "IBM patents are mostly pathetic." I understand it as (almost all) IBM patents are pathetic. I disagree with such generalisation. Now you write: "It was me that said they were pathetic" Which can be understood as SOME patents are pathetic. Note: not "mostly", and not "IBM patents". English is not my native language, but I see important difference between those two statements. My opinion - I sustain what I wrote, with no changes or distortions. Maybe it is not obvious, but I didn't say there are no pathetic patents at all. However I think such patents are exceptions, not majority. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 12.10.2020 o 04:39, David Crayford pisze: It was me that said they were pathetic and I stand by that remark. There's a website that has a "stupid patent of the month" which is dominated by IBM. Here's a good one! https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/02/stupid-patent-month-ibm-patents-out-office-email A lot of my colleagues are ex IBMers and quite a few of them have their names on patents. A lot of those patents are stupid! Any product feature that they designed that was considered novel they lodged a patent request for. They are the first ones to acknowledge that the process was brain-damaged. IBM wanted to use patents as bargaining chips. On 2020-10-12 12:27 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: I agree. It wasn’t me who said they were pathetic. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 12:26 PM, R.S. wrote: Patents are not pathetic. Other companies still make new patents. Including those like Microsoft and Google. Patents are still valid and important even if some company have only few of them or cannot make any. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN . == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169.401.468 as at 1 January 2020. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
> Is this kind of behavior what you are describing as "defensive"? No. Is that the sort of "reasoning" you normally use? > Who made you the gospel of truth? What are you smoking? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of David Crayford Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 4:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies Is this kind of behavior what you are describing as "defensive"? https://www.forbes.com/asap/2002/0624/044.html You said IBM only file defensive patents. Who made you the gospel of truth? On 2020-10-12 4:10 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > What part of "defensive patent" don't you understand. The article you cited > made it abundantly clear that the USPTO is broken. IBM is far from the only > company to file defensive patents. The intent is not to prevent others from > using the technique, but to prevent others from successfully patenting it. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of > David Crayford > Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 10:39 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies > > It was me that said they were pathetic and I stand by that remark. > There's a website that has a "stupid patent of the month" which is > dominated by IBM. > > Here's a good one! > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1-jcLI-dk2XuBOqXGuXTrUxABiJbwOwRqbBNDBV0YW0k6jNpNfVVfUOZWCv2ybSGyDQgPAURzeZGDiFKNNexudcJIMR6CUgByBvhwvogf0CmuXgE3pngzNnmyFcStgw2ydJBAd5Mex27YJ6BllXpQ5ckRZd8SXcunqSd7pPa-_7sy-k_nKVwsW0vvUte9MEkwSShbJtXbcXUZAadgNpKwE5P3eG8vWb_hYyV4r5nej-pfdPSlVifozfOJNsesF6vRhHgt7YVO9X36MdVF39gP1Cvd1Xh7Ttq40a5FR_oYAoeiGAM6gx6QfFfgSYJyekP7ZmNQtYT2KhnDRjsqnh96njpO8_aeVsVm_n-vhZtLec9ErK1pxeMPEUXua2DdM_3qqxZzaI0uSOuFQJUUdcFgElBqyEYbzjcvD0me7JaTaaS6RGGaSNrlf9alf6g0yp9DJhlOypIOsXe9PC0lVLok4g/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eff.org%2Fdeeplinks%2F2017%2F02%2Fstupid-patent-month-ibm-patents-out-office-email > > A lot of my colleagues are ex IBMers and quite a few of them have their > names on patents. A lot of those patents are stupid! Any product feature > that they designed > that was considered novel they lodged a patent request for. They are the > first ones to acknowledge that the process was brain-damaged. IBM wanted > to use patents > as bargaining chips. > > On 2020-10-12 12:27 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: >> I agree. It wasn’t me who said they were pathetic. >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> >> On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 12:26 PM, R.S. >> wrote: >> >> Patents are not pathetic. Other companies still make new patents. >> Including those like Microsoft and Google. >> Patents are still valid and important even if some company have only few >> of them or cannot make any. >> > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Well, the original meaning was sloppy, inept work. The Tech Model Railroad Club at MIT introduced a new usage, and the media conflated that with "cracker". Some hackers are also crackers, but by no means all. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Mike Hochee Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 7:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies Charles, you must've found my creds! Please dispose of them in a secure manner. :-) You make a good point. And to muddy things further, the AWS user community seems to use the term 'hack' when referring to techniques to accomplish things that are completely acceptable and above-board. Mike -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 6:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies Caution! This message was sent from outside your organization. I would think one needs to distinguish between AWS infrastructure flaws -- what IBM would call violations of the statement of integrity -- versus dumb user errors. The pop press is going to call it "an AWS hack" even if it was because someone left their userid and password behind on a Post-It note on a table in Denny's. Of course the two cases can blur somewhat if there are infrastructure characteristics that make it particularly easy for a user to screw it up. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Hochee Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 3:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies I do not have an accurate big picture nor a decent set of data to work with, but here are a few google hits that do not inspire confidence, just anecdotal stuff of course https://secure-web.cisco.com/1j6Pmcn-zpu8-VCRrm93BntNiLdC9vN3f0cfokG9gGodxLq2d072S7OG4w9A5VyN0m3JQRMUi4xF6m24QGATISW0hCY2Dw74TTaFif3t4kZpeXwbz5VWIlwBOU1SQB2nf93EBq4jR7bCqt7_cfa3XoMeWvgxcns-FsdTv4yAhm91dgcJlDOTnCUNwDMQGPKcadw_d_HrO4FdtJrTyF1JMUri1jndb2-V9XCjvhulk2wnhqfIlshQw_MlX4tUc15z71Dt8CVNuBxiIOTBJ8zZvJ00rc6dDPuXTG7PvNDIX2ijKKdxEj1cQ01fhmXRW1Bq0RInveLYKzu9w2ZJAbd_PuwmlEi7kLlRas7oXPnN4IHYkCTxUf_3jIeMqAG3FJOC3dF3-aOU46Jh810VAW9WC3vxJdv3pvKblaccSf4b27KaWtXFK_iSDkkj8K8VENIph/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbronline.com%2Fnews%2Faws-servers-hacked-rootkit-in-the-cloud https://secure-web.cisco.com/1CgwsJgIqqCZXbxItYxP3s2Epo6V3vEfvcj0_pvICPBFnqbmYOmQq2f-rs30lMWgyxJPk2jpGJRJu4yonlAQ9cqPBX4hyVlsFEifw0yFXkIzav0_6Mzu2idX7h_c6zKrFNKNNmxGI7H-A4j8G25PdC3WIGLchm-cFeBoiu3KnBAlMY3-nc7CByrHo2Lb7qtAmUNJFqEOGCih5GVaSjr4W4SB8wrmILQ5O8wAMvzbgc7sQbdeePy0gshp1RQgEQsJXkuaABYRFUh04E4091iHsK3cXSxIl9DpH0mFp0Y6E_1UL7xUaumQJMY8u_TbUpbow8cBKjd-4UZFgBg1DbH3mpvac9hXNDbXIO1HZTVJpWu5bdlKK4hGbeaO7L0IBIjtQLOnLgRm-vlF6jlzyT7fKwvVmpKpNaAUO5KPLdsaVH0l3GaxyWVlxB8VyiNahYBQb/https%3A%2F%2Ftamebay.com%2F2020%2F05%2Famazon-warn-of-hacked-amazon-accounts-issue-acco unt-recovery-advice.html https://secure-web.cisco.com/18R72FOi1BZLnZXuX6yxlpEJ52VkBsovO7AWkEO-aQujUd3IbIgqku4E9QKj27rKmu7mJYsnu9iy505NANzmwhZ6HmKFKI7GWc5sLdRMjvH2BehjZE6tX_TAURdlLeK_7XRZfN9DjAcG_xBzarmbEY-EuzrpHfUWAJTVgj8csJDXzo4qv4ecWJgTz_GkySaeWfZxCKX_6wKWD8V9lFRTnsRb3p0CnkszZHXegO9Pn_UkCYybBOLxX0sUt6dZkqdQJ_xPa_w9WXIPk9C47AoKPBknbu_aGSr4imDsmcMKtCJ0qM6cOl2h-VndyZoV40yaDffDeUpZ0Pl7-8F7f1gepHPv-w8jklXvaFsXePXQb_6QkYFC6TfJGAxVd8Mb_OIDA-RzvD0DBEm43NGLAh574xbJuw9Z7zf0ui0PiHKVexv4tzhLVRWSyWzHsVOzI6e8Z/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thesun.co.uk%2Fmoney%2F10519079%2Famazon-accounts-hacked-fraudsters%2F Does AWS have any security components on par with ICSF and RACF on the security front that you're aware of? Here's a link to their identity and access management UG... https://docs.aws.amazon.com/IAM/latest/UserGuide/id_credentials_access-keys. html?icmpid=docs_iam_console Browsing through it briefly makes me wonder what an AWS secure key repository and management tools might look like. Having been the victim of a minor identity theft myself in recent years, probably adds to my skepticism about cloud service provider security claims. Mike -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Clark Morris Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 3:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies Caution! This message was sent from outside your organization. [Default] On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 10:40:07 -0700 (PDT), in bit.listserv.ibm-main computer chyck wrote: >> snip much > >Cloud computing is alot like teenage sex - everybody is doing it (or >wants to do it) but nobody has a flippin' clue how to do it correctly!!! What I fear is that Amazon and Microsoft both have a far better idea of what cloud computi
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FSVO two larger than the standard value. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Charles Mills Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 7:28 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies Hold on, I'll post them here for you in a minute. "Hack" and "hacker" has always had the two meanings, the white and black hat meanings. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Hochee Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 4:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies Charles, you must've found my creds! Please dispose of them in a secure manner. :-) You make a good point. And to muddy things further, the AWS user community seems to use the term 'hack' when referring to techniques to accomplish things that are completely acceptable and above-board. Mike -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 6:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies Caution! This message was sent from outside your organization. I would think one needs to distinguish between AWS infrastructure flaws -- what IBM would call violations of the statement of integrity -- versus dumb user errors. The pop press is going to call it "an AWS hack" even if it was because someone left their userid and password behind on a Post-It note on a table in Denny's. Of course the two cases can blur somewhat if there are infrastructure characteristics that make it particularly easy for a user to screw it up. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Hochee Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 3:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies I do not have an accurate big picture nor a decent set of data to work with, but here are a few google hits that do not inspire confidence, just anecdotal stuff of course https://secure-web.cisco.com/1VTzFjuATviCAhuT5E1W_7xl72YU9s5X0JaH6Tf7anj88qmCC_lgTImkHZ35sGYxirTRqyu969vlba9PoDC04LJfNclxEzPiNbLiBw-EqZiDkqJvO8C7ATQrGUejrlSwE-ZK2qvga-u8RmW_3r-j3RRr-iLHROzrUyL2KYpWcxS6vfhEmEkYqKNSvJqNfAqQx3Zk9wSdAMMp3LIGrXovyKsJSDQwajSlMDa_ddnwbGZ-GL-xqY9JcShGQAuXlvN14T1AhC0cHt8rd0OYrN6UcoJncoxuNfnJcCyLN079glPA68CZEOYwCA0aWqnLLMjJ_E0whksefvP_7vc68la8qD_d109QNXRJO5JqmIL5CvGSs0RDZVEniNlQB8FpiKeR-QAaaC2XB7o1aOQD7tQrZTIav7-5pbFd56Xg-7hbMO2wt6u-VDXyP0JT_jtFP6W5O/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbronline.com%2Fnews%2Faws-servers-hacked-rootkit-in-the-cloud https://secure-web.cisco.com/1DHP3Sjng4WM_zX3ulKB54LR9N6PlVEUfnYdQfLO1Vy4701nWWO9_XhKXA9fLIyVd0HAVr1cRpbSO0Rk0wVZOCAmCKODUXGDpc6gXI2hyIWt8gIWsSo6sNNfrLSw0l0fmLYZLnItZLz9fXh-c2_El-ect8PgFO2BRcJLczJTGAbHAvlcb8iOMLWVVEYyopB25zX8tr4VQzc-FV2kccH1djF2xhLONLj9j9jmAdDJQPV4Yv4TnlmXeMopGRFiI3Knw7_cLJpVoq-i0RyUXwE1GuRnjZQX1e4dF3jnu0bBqbkLzqAE75M55_Mi9vLYxwr_OcjTwS-vth1VkgYJbwNHsLlCOtGZX5yQrD8RAx-JYrri8MP70-ypRGA3TYaBNVZpmN14KUoWQvCNVSxxdIuaiNuIUhM8JHj9wEIZ7LwsqIAl8Ln8jo2mFnQ-w0dzwOScs/https%3A%2F%2Ftamebay.com%2F2020%2F05%2Famazon-warn-of-hacked-amazon-accounts-issue-acco unt-recovery-advice.html https://secure-web.cisco.com/1Z68YEzLszxbuXZWax5QMVuakmNaSX9WWEIrNNSGJTNavNiktPAJk-thQ0vLyb_WIttNgnlX8EMGlQZb3Bw_B_iklhB_hqPRg_aKXTbLqHxsm_87IabADU_ENPhpmQN4pf-QVpFmFyYI_Lb92Rg0MB_RsnoyCnSuWkdrbvv0TGxG6cFpHpc_4GgWgCTRInwafRdI9ZaaaijDncG7tu7GpKk0sh2J6yRPtzwP8P4D-CDrTOA9IH4IVj0stDyTmRL_h_A3LAVYcxhQFsTcjpP-oPE7y1GHzi_CJxAycuYmYgTCQFXCx_foXbJH9WWjhRd4yMpttIKdbyvHUQmHKXqdP0msSFOxg_Y5MtQUMt2yWCoLWyss3o6LEJE5H7vS5EVKFVVWIMPDom4x4fetg1bpF8xCDmdYXJYK0T3zVljxNJFQbEADLh-6S_mZpCP2U2Q0g/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thesun.co.uk%2Fmoney%2F10519079%2Famazon-accounts-hacked-fraudsters%2F Does AWS have any security components on par with ICSF and RACF on the security front that you're aware of? Here's a link to their identity and access management UG... https://docs.aws.amazon.com/IAM/latest/UserGuide/id_credentials_access-keys. html?icmpid=docs_iam_console Browsing through it briefly makes me wonder what an AWS secure key repository and management tools might look like. Having been the victim of a minor identity theft myself in recent years, probably adds to my skepticism about cloud service provider security claims. Mike -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Clark Morris Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 3:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies Caution! This message was sent from outside your organization. [Default] On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 10:40:07 -0700 (PDT), in bit.listserv.ibm-main computer chyck wrote: >> snip much > >Cloud computing is alot l
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That's one scenario, but the broken system also provides a perverse incentive to file defensive patents, where the goal is not to collect license fees but simply to prevent others from obtaining a patent on the same idea. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Wayne Bickerdike Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 7:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies Unfortunately, the U.S. patent system creates warped incentives for emerging software fields like road-safety features. Rather than competing in a challenging space, some players are seeking broadly-worded patents, then hope to sit back and extract profits later. That may be the strategy of the International Business Machine Corp., which has acquired more U.S. patents than any other company for decades now. This week, IBM was awarded U.S. Patent No. 10,191,462 <http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=10191462&OS=10191462&RS=10191462>, describing a “Vehicle electronic receptionist.” IBM likely has the resources to make technology to manage communications while driving. But the ’462 patent describes nothing of the sort. Instead, IBM’s patent simply describes a computerized decision-making process. https://secure-web.cisco.com/1RWrGtPeaMJvxnTXIEYDJaw8qVOQJsc5rieqkupz4T4nqLgMRiJ4eJJo05REfbsdw4uBFU1Ltu59LIUbe29C14saoCDQ8YxZ6vBQBBz5Y0uvztrfVzV1iUaTOypbJmqB0BjQvA9aPk6tZPPRCqeQom2u4DkJP7fYlHBbRVJshGvUgT6oliJR6ncgrj1xZ_SKSJ2Tg7ImfJFkudvZMRy6ouLx3fkDLNWKwFh0uIIROPIjU_o-lOKwqsHPG-VRuPEvsjupUiP0ZEm9TlMq9qSYliztatJ2rDxjfd6LETp_EWBMBlCDt9tKKjRFZqfZbkES-0yyJKiUH6NVWcfn0cLNJd8iX2Ro9RK2xNYHWZXGw15Ct02cEntu-ffq9-kUY-flAjYY6UturDD0TIiYfASpcdgAzaUo1h0XcX1TTPAWgJNYx1xULhzqhfULNzzrTXtr0k5Le2sYu3SUwLHqLLocti2uKSI9TiVK1RQhMKSJZHZk/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eff.org%2Fdeeplinks%2F2019%2F01%2Fstupid-patent-month-ibms-software-patent-texting-and-driving On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 9:18 AM Seymour J Metz wrote: > Did you want them to wait for someone else to patent it and have an > expensive court battle to invalidate it? > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of Wayne Bickerdike > Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 6:14 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies > > IBM have a patent on the SORTL instruction. I guess they are entitled to do > that but IMHO what it does is hardly new. How it does it, perhaps. > > I wish I had patented run flat tires. It was my idea many years ago. > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 5:14 AM Seymour J Metz wrote: > > > The broken US patent system forces IBM to take out defensive patents, and > > they're far from the only ones to do so. Note that if USPTO denies the > > paten as prior art or as obvious to a practitioner, that blocks anybody > > else from patenting it, which achieves IBM's objective. > > > > IBM is far from the only company with a portfolio of defensive patents. > > > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > > > ____________ > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > > of David Crayford > > Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 9:40 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies > > > > IBM patents are mostly pathetic. They patent stuff like "how to create a > > railroad diagram using REXX . It's embarrassing! The likes of Google, > > Facebook and even the new Microsoft open source all of their code so > > everybody can use it for free. Software patents are nothing more then > > bargaining chips. Google doesn't care about who has access to their > > code. They give it away for free. > > > > On 2020-10-11 9:31 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: > > > IBM, as usual, almost always leads the US in patents. This year is no > > exception. Which indicates how intelligent their engineers are. IBM laid > > the groundwork for much of today’s IT. > > > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 1:43 AM, zMan > > wrote: > > > > > > Well, big companies ARE using AWS, GCP, and Azure for critical > > information. > > > We deal with them every day. > > > > > > And for the record, I'm hardly an IBM or mainframe basher. I just call > > out > > > BS when
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Is this kind of behavior what you are describing as "defensive"? https://www.forbes.com/asap/2002/0624/044.html You said IBM only file defensive patents. Who made you the gospel of truth? On 2020-10-12 4:10 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: What part of "defensive patent" don't you understand. The article you cited made it abundantly clear that the USPTO is broken. IBM is far from the only company to file defensive patents. The intent is not to prevent others from using the technique, but to prevent others from successfully patenting it. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of David Crayford Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 10:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies It was me that said they were pathetic and I stand by that remark. There's a website that has a "stupid patent of the month" which is dominated by IBM. Here's a good one! https://secure-web.cisco.com/1-jcLI-dk2XuBOqXGuXTrUxABiJbwOwRqbBNDBV0YW0k6jNpNfVVfUOZWCv2ybSGyDQgPAURzeZGDiFKNNexudcJIMR6CUgByBvhwvogf0CmuXgE3pngzNnmyFcStgw2ydJBAd5Mex27YJ6BllXpQ5ckRZd8SXcunqSd7pPa-_7sy-k_nKVwsW0vvUte9MEkwSShbJtXbcXUZAadgNpKwE5P3eG8vWb_hYyV4r5nej-pfdPSlVifozfOJNsesF6vRhHgt7YVO9X36MdVF39gP1Cvd1Xh7Ttq40a5FR_oYAoeiGAM6gx6QfFfgSYJyekP7ZmNQtYT2KhnDRjsqnh96njpO8_aeVsVm_n-vhZtLec9ErK1pxeMPEUXua2DdM_3qqxZzaI0uSOuFQJUUdcFgElBqyEYbzjcvD0me7JaTaaS6RGGaSNrlf9alf6g0yp9DJhlOypIOsXe9PC0lVLok4g/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eff.org%2Fdeeplinks%2F2017%2F02%2Fstupid-patent-month-ibm-patents-out-office-email A lot of my colleagues are ex IBMers and quite a few of them have their names on patents. A lot of those patents are stupid! Any product feature that they designed that was considered novel they lodged a patent request for. They are the first ones to acknowledge that the process was brain-damaged. IBM wanted to use patents as bargaining chips. On 2020-10-12 12:27 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: I agree. It wasn’t me who said they were pathetic. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 12:26 PM, R.S. wrote: Patents are not pathetic. Other companies still make new patents. Including those like Microsoft and Google. Patents are still valid and important even if some company have only few of them or cannot make any. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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What part of "defensive patent" don't you understand. The article you cited made it abundantly clear that the USPTO is broken. IBM is far from the only company to file defensive patents. The intent is not to prevent others from using the technique, but to prevent others from successfully patenting it. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of David Crayford Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 10:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies It was me that said they were pathetic and I stand by that remark. There's a website that has a "stupid patent of the month" which is dominated by IBM. Here's a good one! https://secure-web.cisco.com/1-jcLI-dk2XuBOqXGuXTrUxABiJbwOwRqbBNDBV0YW0k6jNpNfVVfUOZWCv2ybSGyDQgPAURzeZGDiFKNNexudcJIMR6CUgByBvhwvogf0CmuXgE3pngzNnmyFcStgw2ydJBAd5Mex27YJ6BllXpQ5ckRZd8SXcunqSd7pPa-_7sy-k_nKVwsW0vvUte9MEkwSShbJtXbcXUZAadgNpKwE5P3eG8vWb_hYyV4r5nej-pfdPSlVifozfOJNsesF6vRhHgt7YVO9X36MdVF39gP1Cvd1Xh7Ttq40a5FR_oYAoeiGAM6gx6QfFfgSYJyekP7ZmNQtYT2KhnDRjsqnh96njpO8_aeVsVm_n-vhZtLec9ErK1pxeMPEUXua2DdM_3qqxZzaI0uSOuFQJUUdcFgElBqyEYbzjcvD0me7JaTaaS6RGGaSNrlf9alf6g0yp9DJhlOypIOsXe9PC0lVLok4g/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eff.org%2Fdeeplinks%2F2017%2F02%2Fstupid-patent-month-ibm-patents-out-office-email A lot of my colleagues are ex IBMers and quite a few of them have their names on patents. A lot of those patents are stupid! Any product feature that they designed that was considered novel they lodged a patent request for. They are the first ones to acknowledge that the process was brain-damaged. IBM wanted to use patents as bargaining chips. On 2020-10-12 12:27 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: > I agree. It wasn’t me who said they were pathetic. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 12:26 PM, R.S. > wrote: > > Patents are not pathetic. Other companies still make new patents. > Including those like Microsoft and Google. > Patents are still valid and important even if some company have only few > of them or cannot make any. > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Having been at a company IBM acquired, we were told that if we could come up with a novel way to throw paper into a trash can Sent from my iPhone — small keyboarf, fat fungrs, stupd spell manglr. Expct mistaks > On Oct 11, 2020, at 10:39 PM, David Crayford wrote: > > It was me that said they were pathetic and I stand by that remark. There's a > website that has a "stupid patent of the month" which is dominated by IBM. > > Here's a good one! > https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/02/stupid-patent-month-ibm-patents-out-office-email > > A lot of my colleagues are ex IBMers and quite a few of them have their names > on patents. A lot of those patents are stupid! Any product feature that they > designed > that was considered novel they lodged a patent request for. They are the > first ones to acknowledge that the process was brain-damaged. IBM wanted to > use patents > as bargaining chips. > >> On 2020-10-12 12:27 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: >> I agree. It wasn’t me who said they were pathetic. >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> >> On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 12:26 PM, R.S. >> wrote: >> >> Patents are not pathetic. Other companies still make new patents. >> Including those like Microsoft and Google. >> Patents are still valid and important even if some company have only few >> of them or cannot make any. >> > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 2020-10-12 12:19 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: Amazon, PayPal, & Apple either have a mainframe (PayPal did when I interviewed there) In what parallel universe did Amazon, Paypal run a mainframe? lala-land? If I google "paypal technology stack" and I don't see a mainframe! Mainframes are for running legacy applications written in COBOL, PL/I etc. Paypal is written in Java, Scala, Python and recently replatformed to Node.js - JavaScript! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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It was me that said they were pathetic and I stand by that remark. There's a website that has a "stupid patent of the month" which is dominated by IBM. Here's a good one! https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/02/stupid-patent-month-ibm-patents-out-office-email A lot of my colleagues are ex IBMers and quite a few of them have their names on patents. A lot of those patents are stupid! Any product feature that they designed that was considered novel they lodged a patent request for. They are the first ones to acknowledge that the process was brain-damaged. IBM wanted to use patents as bargaining chips. On 2020-10-12 12:27 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: I agree. It wasn’t me who said they were pathetic. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 12:26 PM, R.S. wrote: Patents are not pathetic. Other companies still make new patents. Including those like Microsoft and Google. Patents are still valid and important even if some company have only few of them or cannot make any. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: PC market (was IBM splitting into two companies)
I'll say it again. In 1979 IBM had very little interest in what was to become the PC market. The PC did unify the market somewhat. As a software house we had to provide solutions for one-off purchases to people who had no clue. In two years I worked on Apple IIE clone, Altos 8000, Cromemco System 3, North Star Horizon, Tandy TRS 80. Not much code was re-usable from platform to platform. We bailed out just before the IBM PC landed and went back to earning a crust on mainframe. Sometimes you can be too early. Bit like tennis. Rod Laver was the GOAT but he didn't make the motza they do now. On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 6:06 AM Paul Gilmartin < 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On Sun, 11 Oct 2020 15:50:14 +, Bill Johnson wrote: > > >They were forced out in a lawsuit first filed in 1969 that the > government/IBM settled in early 80’s. I’m not referring to them selling > their PC business to Lenovo. Read up. It set up MSFT to dominate the PC > software market. IBM and Microsoft: Antitrust then and now > > > Cite? > > -- gil > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Wayne V. Bickerdike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Unfortunately, the U.S. patent system creates warped incentives for emerging software fields like road-safety features. Rather than competing in a challenging space, some players are seeking broadly-worded patents, then hope to sit back and extract profits later. That may be the strategy of the International Business Machine Corp., which has acquired more U.S. patents than any other company for decades now. This week, IBM was awarded U.S. Patent No. 10,191,462 <http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=10191462&OS=10191462&RS=10191462>, describing a “Vehicle electronic receptionist.” IBM likely has the resources to make technology to manage communications while driving. But the ’462 patent describes nothing of the sort. Instead, IBM’s patent simply describes a computerized decision-making process. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/01/stupid-patent-month-ibms-software-patent-texting-and-driving On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 9:18 AM Seymour J Metz wrote: > Did you want them to wait for someone else to patent it and have an > expensive court battle to invalidate it? > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of Wayne Bickerdike > Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 6:14 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies > > IBM have a patent on the SORTL instruction. I guess they are entitled to do > that but IMHO what it does is hardly new. How it does it, perhaps. > > I wish I had patented run flat tires. It was my idea many years ago. > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 5:14 AM Seymour J Metz wrote: > > > The broken US patent system forces IBM to take out defensive patents, and > > they're far from the only ones to do so. Note that if USPTO denies the > > paten as prior art or as obvious to a practitioner, that blocks anybody > > else from patenting it, which achieves IBM's objective. > > > > IBM is far from the only company with a portfolio of defensive patents. > > > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > > > ________ > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > > of David Crayford > > Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 9:40 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies > > > > IBM patents are mostly pathetic. They patent stuff like "how to create a > > railroad diagram using REXX . It's embarrassing! The likes of Google, > > Facebook and even the new Microsoft open source all of their code so > > everybody can use it for free. Software patents are nothing more then > > bargaining chips. Google doesn't care about who has access to their > > code. They give it away for free. > > > > On 2020-10-11 9:31 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: > > > IBM, as usual, almost always leads the US in patents. This year is no > > exception. Which indicates how intelligent their engineers are. IBM laid > > the groundwork for much of today’s IT. > > > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 1:43 AM, zMan > > wrote: > > > > > > Well, big companies ARE using AWS, GCP, and Azure for critical > > information. > > > We deal with them every day. > > > > > > And for the record, I'm hardly an IBM or mainframe basher. I just call > > out > > > BS when I see it, like that 1.3M/second. Which you have not responded > to. > > > It was IBM who said they came up with that by taking their largest > > > customers and extrapolating. Using that methodology, every car is good > > for > > > 2M miles and gets 80MPG. Oh, and we're all billionaires. See how bad > that > > > approach is? > > > > > > Now, if the $6B is true, that's fascinating. It still doesn't explain > why > > > the dozens of large mainframe shops we work with NEVER mention IBM when > > > they talk cloud. Maybe IBM has a few really big clients (.gov)? I don't > > > know. > > > > > > Back to processing credit card transactions--again, processors don't > use > > z. > > > (Well, I can think of a couple that do, but by and large, they don't.) > > > You're confusing processors, acquirers, issuers, and brands. Those are > > > different. > > &
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
Hold on, I'll post them here for you in a minute. "Hack" and "hacker" has always had the two meanings, the white and black hat meanings. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Hochee Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 4:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies Charles, you must've found my creds! Please dispose of them in a secure manner. :-) You make a good point. And to muddy things further, the AWS user community seems to use the term 'hack' when referring to techniques to accomplish things that are completely acceptable and above-board. Mike -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 6:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies Caution! This message was sent from outside your organization. I would think one needs to distinguish between AWS infrastructure flaws -- what IBM would call violations of the statement of integrity -- versus dumb user errors. The pop press is going to call it "an AWS hack" even if it was because someone left their userid and password behind on a Post-It note on a table in Denny's. Of course the two cases can blur somewhat if there are infrastructure characteristics that make it particularly easy for a user to screw it up. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Hochee Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 3:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies I do not have an accurate big picture nor a decent set of data to work with, but here are a few google hits that do not inspire confidence, just anecdotal stuff of course https://www.cbronline.com/news/aws-servers-hacked-rootkit-in-the-cloud https://tamebay.com/2020/05/amazon-warn-of-hacked-amazon-accounts-issue-acco unt-recovery-advice.html https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/10519079/amazon-accounts-hacked-fraudsters/ Does AWS have any security components on par with ICSF and RACF on the security front that you're aware of? Here's a link to their identity and access management UG... https://docs.aws.amazon.com/IAM/latest/UserGuide/id_credentials_access-keys. html?icmpid=docs_iam_console Browsing through it briefly makes me wonder what an AWS secure key repository and management tools might look like. Having been the victim of a minor identity theft myself in recent years, probably adds to my skepticism about cloud service provider security claims. Mike -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Clark Morris Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 3:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies Caution! This message was sent from outside your organization. [Default] On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 10:40:07 -0700 (PDT), in bit.listserv.ibm-main computer chyck wrote: >> snip much > >Cloud computing is alot like teenage sex - everybody is doing it (or >wants to do it) but nobody has a flippin' clue how to do it correctly!!! What I fear is that Amazon and Microsoft both have a far better idea of what cloud computing is and how to do it than does IBM. I also suspect that Amazon has all of their computing on their cloud and is very well aware of the need for high security and has worked very hard to achieve it. Microsoft based on my experience with their Knowledge Center (repository for fixes and the equivalent of PTF cover letters) seems to understand high availability better than IBM based on postings here on ibm-main. Clark Morris -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
Charles, you must've found my creds! Please dispose of them in a secure manner. :-) You make a good point. And to muddy things further, the AWS user community seems to use the term 'hack' when referring to techniques to accomplish things that are completely acceptable and above-board. Mike -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 6:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies Caution! This message was sent from outside your organization. I would think one needs to distinguish between AWS infrastructure flaws -- what IBM would call violations of the statement of integrity -- versus dumb user errors. The pop press is going to call it "an AWS hack" even if it was because someone left their userid and password behind on a Post-It note on a table in Denny's. Of course the two cases can blur somewhat if there are infrastructure characteristics that make it particularly easy for a user to screw it up. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Hochee Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 3:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies I do not have an accurate big picture nor a decent set of data to work with, but here are a few google hits that do not inspire confidence, just anecdotal stuff of course https://www.cbronline.com/news/aws-servers-hacked-rootkit-in-the-cloud https://tamebay.com/2020/05/amazon-warn-of-hacked-amazon-accounts-issue-acco unt-recovery-advice.html https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/10519079/amazon-accounts-hacked-fraudsters/ Does AWS have any security components on par with ICSF and RACF on the security front that you're aware of? Here's a link to their identity and access management UG... https://docs.aws.amazon.com/IAM/latest/UserGuide/id_credentials_access-keys. html?icmpid=docs_iam_console Browsing through it briefly makes me wonder what an AWS secure key repository and management tools might look like. Having been the victim of a minor identity theft myself in recent years, probably adds to my skepticism about cloud service provider security claims. Mike -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Clark Morris Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 3:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies Caution! This message was sent from outside your organization. [Default] On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 10:40:07 -0700 (PDT), in bit.listserv.ibm-main computer chyck wrote: >> snip much > >Cloud computing is alot like teenage sex - everybody is doing it (or >wants to do it) but nobody has a flippin' clue how to do it correctly!!! What I fear is that Amazon and Microsoft both have a far better idea of what cloud computing is and how to do it than does IBM. I also suspect that Amazon has all of their computing on their cloud and is very well aware of the need for high security and has worked very hard to achieve it. Microsoft based on my experience with their Knowledge Center (repository for fixes and the equivalent of PTF cover letters) seems to understand high availability better than IBM based on postings here on ibm-main. Clark Morris -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
I would think one needs to distinguish between AWS infrastructure flaws -- what IBM would call violations of the statement of integrity -- versus dumb user errors. The pop press is going to call it "an AWS hack" even if it was because someone left their userid and password behind on a Post-It note on a table in Denny's. Of course the two cases can blur somewhat if there are infrastructure characteristics that make it particularly easy for a user to screw it up. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Hochee Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 3:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies I do not have an accurate big picture nor a decent set of data to work with, but here are a few google hits that do not inspire confidence, just anecdotal stuff of course https://www.cbronline.com/news/aws-servers-hacked-rootkit-in-the-cloud https://tamebay.com/2020/05/amazon-warn-of-hacked-amazon-accounts-issue-acco unt-recovery-advice.html https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/10519079/amazon-accounts-hacked-fraudsters/ Does AWS have any security components on par with ICSF and RACF on the security front that you're aware of? Here's a link to their identity and access management UG... https://docs.aws.amazon.com/IAM/latest/UserGuide/id_credentials_access-keys. html?icmpid=docs_iam_console Browsing through it briefly makes me wonder what an AWS secure key repository and management tools might look like. Having been the victim of a minor identity theft myself in recent years, probably adds to my skepticism about cloud service provider security claims. Mike -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Clark Morris Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 3:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies Caution! This message was sent from outside your organization. [Default] On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 10:40:07 -0700 (PDT), in bit.listserv.ibm-main computer chyck wrote: >> snip much > >Cloud computing is alot like teenage sex - everybody is doing it (or wants to do it) but nobody has a flippin' clue how to do it correctly!!! What I fear is that Amazon and Microsoft both have a far better idea of what cloud computing is and how to do it than does IBM. I also suspect that Amazon has all of their computing on their cloud and is very well aware of the need for high security and has worked very hard to achieve it. Microsoft based on my experience with their Knowledge Center (repository for fixes and the equivalent of PTF cover letters) seems to understand high availability better than IBM based on postings here on ibm-main. Clark Morris -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
I do not have an accurate big picture nor a decent set of data to work with, but here are a few google hits that do not inspire confidence, just anecdotal stuff of course https://www.cbronline.com/news/aws-servers-hacked-rootkit-in-the-cloud https://tamebay.com/2020/05/amazon-warn-of-hacked-amazon-accounts-issue-account-recovery-advice.html https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/10519079/amazon-accounts-hacked-fraudsters/ Does AWS have any security components on par with ICSF and RACF on the security front that you're aware of? Here's a link to their identity and access management UG... https://docs.aws.amazon.com/IAM/latest/UserGuide/id_credentials_access-keys.html?icmpid=docs_iam_console Browsing through it briefly makes me wonder what an AWS secure key repository and management tools might look like. Having been the victim of a minor identity theft myself in recent years, probably adds to my skepticism about cloud service provider security claims. Mike -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Clark Morris Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 3:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies Caution! This message was sent from outside your organization. [Default] On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 10:40:07 -0700 (PDT), in bit.listserv.ibm-main computer chyck wrote: >> snip much > >Cloud computing is alot like teenage sex - everybody is doing it (or wants to >do it) but nobody has a flippin' clue how to do it correctly!!! What I fear is that Amazon and Microsoft both have a far better idea of what cloud computing is and how to do it than does IBM. I also suspect that Amazon has all of their computing on their cloud and is very well aware of the need for high security and has worked very hard to achieve it. Microsoft based on my experience with their Knowledge Center (repository for fixes and the equivalent of PTF cover letters) seems to understand high availability better than IBM based on postings here on ibm-main. Clark Morris -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Did you want them to wait for someone else to patent it and have an expensive court battle to invalidate it? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Wayne Bickerdike Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 6:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies IBM have a patent on the SORTL instruction. I guess they are entitled to do that but IMHO what it does is hardly new. How it does it, perhaps. I wish I had patented run flat tires. It was my idea many years ago. On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 5:14 AM Seymour J Metz wrote: > The broken US patent system forces IBM to take out defensive patents, and > they're far from the only ones to do so. Note that if USPTO denies the > paten as prior art or as obvious to a practitioner, that blocks anybody > else from patenting it, which achieves IBM's objective. > > IBM is far from the only company with a portfolio of defensive patents. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of David Crayford > Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 9:40 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies > > IBM patents are mostly pathetic. They patent stuff like "how to create a > railroad diagram using REXX . It's embarrassing! The likes of Google, > Facebook and even the new Microsoft open source all of their code so > everybody can use it for free. Software patents are nothing more then > bargaining chips. Google doesn't care about who has access to their > code. They give it away for free. > > On 2020-10-11 9:31 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: > > IBM, as usual, almost always leads the US in patents. This year is no > exception. Which indicates how intelligent their engineers are. IBM laid > the groundwork for much of today’s IT. > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 1:43 AM, zMan > wrote: > > > > Well, big companies ARE using AWS, GCP, and Azure for critical > information. > > We deal with them every day. > > > > And for the record, I'm hardly an IBM or mainframe basher. I just call > out > > BS when I see it, like that 1.3M/second. Which you have not responded to. > > It was IBM who said they came up with that by taking their largest > > customers and extrapolating. Using that methodology, every car is good > for > > 2M miles and gets 80MPG. Oh, and we're all billionaires. See how bad that > > approach is? > > > > Now, if the $6B is true, that's fascinating. It still doesn't explain why > > the dozens of large mainframe shops we work with NEVER mention IBM when > > they talk cloud. Maybe IBM has a few really big clients (.gov)? I don't > > know. > > > > Back to processing credit card transactions--again, processors don't use > z. > > (Well, I can think of a couple that do, but by and large, they don't.) > > You're confusing processors, acquirers, issuers, and brands. Those are > > different. > > > > On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 2:27 PM Bill Johnson < > > 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > >> 6 billion in cloud revenue latest quarter. About half of AZURE. Looks > >> bigger than 2% to me. > >> > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1Cp3i2g4xxv5xAiOhNSH9asQgAtxabZeedP72s34Yoy97MA2TNpgZziu32XKk2j51vj3MjoslYkPKOMVBdfmKAcrRkVKxyzoNx1chEh1FhL8AWcQRTCiE42bfCYv1oSv6x33vpt3EI6LMjmirQKq9HB5ds4CfTz-I-Br9WAJkn0N_8ol-EGR8zbkpGlT7uQ_on1wTZQz1cvYQ35YWKGGX5qoNYz2VHWbBkuv4cxcyVaFWBrmdYVSDRswyIQybcXkjo3AXzCLg1n-3V84PWF0PgohuVLen_PPSYLGpU0W3-FNPcMwDexPYlKIQ-VMdqJ_WWgZoAr2qOPJ4GXnj0PadbBKgZnNQIiVF-Nh1AkV8iRsRQ-lxzuneKseiVgBSMLEmd-PxYqzfYps5E4CWuaCK8NvZ5vckiQt2FluZBDc3Bg8s9yrv3CXGmkxn1P9NlJzvvAqUvdiD6xXivnfWi7aHSQ/https%3A%2F%2Fcloudwars.co%2Fcloud-wars-top-10-vendors-world%2F > >> Read up. > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > >> > >> > >> On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan > >> wrote: > >> > >> Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the fact > >> remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't > >> become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE transaction > >> quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000 per day. 112 > >> BILLION. That's 16 transactions per day per person on the planet. Be > >> serious.
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
IBM have a patent on the SORTL instruction. I guess they are entitled to do that but IMHO what it does is hardly new. How it does it, perhaps. I wish I had patented run flat tires. It was my idea many years ago. On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 5:14 AM Seymour J Metz wrote: > The broken US patent system forces IBM to take out defensive patents, and > they're far from the only ones to do so. Note that if USPTO denies the > paten as prior art or as obvious to a practitioner, that blocks anybody > else from patenting it, which achieves IBM's objective. > > IBM is far from the only company with a portfolio of defensive patents. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of David Crayford > Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 9:40 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies > > IBM patents are mostly pathetic. They patent stuff like "how to create a > railroad diagram using REXX . It's embarrassing! The likes of Google, > Facebook and even the new Microsoft open source all of their code so > everybody can use it for free. Software patents are nothing more then > bargaining chips. Google doesn't care about who has access to their > code. They give it away for free. > > On 2020-10-11 9:31 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: > > IBM, as usual, almost always leads the US in patents. This year is no > exception. Which indicates how intelligent their engineers are. IBM laid > the groundwork for much of today’s IT. > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 1:43 AM, zMan > wrote: > > > > Well, big companies ARE using AWS, GCP, and Azure for critical > information. > > We deal with them every day. > > > > And for the record, I'm hardly an IBM or mainframe basher. I just call > out > > BS when I see it, like that 1.3M/second. Which you have not responded to. > > It was IBM who said they came up with that by taking their largest > > customers and extrapolating. Using that methodology, every car is good > for > > 2M miles and gets 80MPG. Oh, and we're all billionaires. See how bad that > > approach is? > > > > Now, if the $6B is true, that's fascinating. It still doesn't explain why > > the dozens of large mainframe shops we work with NEVER mention IBM when > > they talk cloud. Maybe IBM has a few really big clients (.gov)? I don't > > know. > > > > Back to processing credit card transactions--again, processors don't use > z. > > (Well, I can think of a couple that do, but by and large, they don't.) > > You're confusing processors, acquirers, issuers, and brands. Those are > > different. > > > > On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 2:27 PM Bill Johnson < > > 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > >> 6 billion in cloud revenue latest quarter. About half of AZURE. Looks > >> bigger than 2% to me. > >> > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1Cp3i2g4xxv5xAiOhNSH9asQgAtxabZeedP72s34Yoy97MA2TNpgZziu32XKk2j51vj3MjoslYkPKOMVBdfmKAcrRkVKxyzoNx1chEh1FhL8AWcQRTCiE42bfCYv1oSv6x33vpt3EI6LMjmirQKq9HB5ds4CfTz-I-Br9WAJkn0N_8ol-EGR8zbkpGlT7uQ_on1wTZQz1cvYQ35YWKGGX5qoNYz2VHWbBkuv4cxcyVaFWBrmdYVSDRswyIQybcXkjo3AXzCLg1n-3V84PWF0PgohuVLen_PPSYLGpU0W3-FNPcMwDexPYlKIQ-VMdqJ_WWgZoAr2qOPJ4GXnj0PadbBKgZnNQIiVF-Nh1AkV8iRsRQ-lxzuneKseiVgBSMLEmd-PxYqzfYps5E4CWuaCK8NvZ5vckiQt2FluZBDc3Bg8s9yrv3CXGmkxn1P9NlJzvvAqUvdiD6xXivnfWi7aHSQ/https%3A%2F%2Fcloudwars.co%2Fcloud-wars-top-10-vendors-world%2F > >> Read up. > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > >> > >> > >> On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan > >> wrote: > >> > >> Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the fact > >> remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't > >> become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE transaction > >> quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000 per day. 112 > >> BILLION. That's 16 transactions per day per person on the planet. Be > >> serious. That number comes from IBM, was extrapolated by taking their > >> largest five customers and multiplying by the number of z/OS systems out > >> there. Lies, damned lies, and statistics and all that, eh? > >> > >> And plenty of real, serious, multi-billion-dollar companies use AWS, > Azure, > >> and even GCP. > >> > >> You work for a vendor
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
[Default] On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 10:40:07 -0700 (PDT), in bit.listserv.ibm-main computer chyck wrote: >> snip much > >Cloud computing is alot like teenage sex - everybody is doing it (or wants to >do it) but nobody has a flippin' clue how to do it correctly!!! What I fear is that Amazon and Microsoft both have a far better idea of what cloud computing is and how to do it than does IBM. I also suspect that Amazon has all of their computing on their cloud and is very well aware of the need for high security and has worked very hard to achieve it. Microsoft based on my experience with their Knowledge Center (repository for fixes and the equivalent of PTF cover letters) seems to understand high availability better than IBM based on postings here on ibm-main. Clark Morris -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: PC market (was IBM splitting into two companies)
On Sun, 11 Oct 2020 15:50:14 +, Bill Johnson wrote: >They were forced out in a lawsuit first filed in 1969 that the government/IBM >settled in early 80’s. I’m not referring to them selling their PC business to >Lenovo. Read up. It set up MSFT to dominate the PC software market. IBM and >Microsoft: Antitrust then and now > Cite? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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The broken US patent system forces IBM to take out defensive patents, and they're far from the only ones to do so. Note that if USPTO denies the paten as prior art or as obvious to a practitioner, that blocks anybody else from patenting it, which achieves IBM's objective. IBM is far from the only company with a portfolio of defensive patents. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of David Crayford Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 9:40 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies IBM patents are mostly pathetic. They patent stuff like "how to create a railroad diagram using REXX . It's embarrassing! The likes of Google, Facebook and even the new Microsoft open source all of their code so everybody can use it for free. Software patents are nothing more then bargaining chips. Google doesn't care about who has access to their code. They give it away for free. On 2020-10-11 9:31 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: > IBM, as usual, almost always leads the US in patents. This year is no > exception. Which indicates how intelligent their engineers are. IBM laid the > groundwork for much of today’s IT. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 1:43 AM, zMan wrote: > > Well, big companies ARE using AWS, GCP, and Azure for critical information. > We deal with them every day. > > And for the record, I'm hardly an IBM or mainframe basher. I just call out > BS when I see it, like that 1.3M/second. Which you have not responded to. > It was IBM who said they came up with that by taking their largest > customers and extrapolating. Using that methodology, every car is good for > 2M miles and gets 80MPG. Oh, and we're all billionaires. See how bad that > approach is? > > Now, if the $6B is true, that's fascinating. It still doesn't explain why > the dozens of large mainframe shops we work with NEVER mention IBM when > they talk cloud. Maybe IBM has a few really big clients (.gov)? I don't > know. > > Back to processing credit card transactions--again, processors don't use z. > (Well, I can think of a couple that do, but by and large, they don't.) > You're confusing processors, acquirers, issuers, and brands. Those are > different. > > On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 2:27 PM Bill Johnson < > 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >> 6 billion in cloud revenue latest quarter. About half of AZURE. Looks >> bigger than 2% to me. >> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1Cp3i2g4xxv5xAiOhNSH9asQgAtxabZeedP72s34Yoy97MA2TNpgZziu32XKk2j51vj3MjoslYkPKOMVBdfmKAcrRkVKxyzoNx1chEh1FhL8AWcQRTCiE42bfCYv1oSv6x33vpt3EI6LMjmirQKq9HB5ds4CfTz-I-Br9WAJkn0N_8ol-EGR8zbkpGlT7uQ_on1wTZQz1cvYQ35YWKGGX5qoNYz2VHWbBkuv4cxcyVaFWBrmdYVSDRswyIQybcXkjo3AXzCLg1n-3V84PWF0PgohuVLen_PPSYLGpU0W3-FNPcMwDexPYlKIQ-VMdqJ_WWgZoAr2qOPJ4GXnj0PadbBKgZnNQIiVF-Nh1AkV8iRsRQ-lxzuneKseiVgBSMLEmd-PxYqzfYps5E4CWuaCK8NvZ5vckiQt2FluZBDc3Bg8s9yrv3CXGmkxn1P9NlJzvvAqUvdiD6xXivnfWi7aHSQ/https%3A%2F%2Fcloudwars.co%2Fcloud-wars-top-10-vendors-world%2F >> Read up. >> >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> >> On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan >> wrote: >> >> Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the fact >> remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't >> become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE transaction >> quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000 per day. 112 >> BILLION. That's 16 transactions per day per person on the planet. Be >> serious. That number comes from IBM, was extrapolated by taking their >> largest five customers and multiplying by the number of z/OS systems out >> there. Lies, damned lies, and statistics and all that, eh? >> >> And plenty of real, serious, multi-billion-dollar companies use AWS, Azure, >> and even GCP. >> >> You work for a vendor; you have access to lots of industry knowledge from >> the real world, not SHARE or IBM marketing. Talk to your peers. Learn. The >> truth is out there. >> >> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:57 PM Bill Johnson < >> 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >> >>> I’ve studied them extensively. I’m an investor. So I really don’t need >> the >>> lecture but I understand that’s what the frequent posters here need to >> do. >>> Large enterprises aren’t building on AZURE & AWS. Lots of smaller >> companies >>> are. Because of the costs. AZURE
Re: PC market (was IBM splitting into two companies)
Was there a time machine involved? The sold out to Lenovo in 2005, and by that time they were losing market share. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 11:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PC market (was IBM splitting into two companies) They were forced out in a lawsuit first filed in 1969 that the government/IBM settled in early 80’s. I’m not referring to them selling their PC business to Lenovo. Read up. It set up MSFT to dominate the PC software market. IBM and Microsoft: Antitrust then and now | | | | || | | | || IBM and Microsoft: Antitrust then and now The giant's insistence on "conduct remedies" harks back to the 1980s, when IBM ended its antitrust skirmish by vowing to change its monopolistic ways. | | | | Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 11:33 AM, Robin Vowels wrote: On 2020-10-12 00:57, Bill Johnson wrote: > So market cap is now the determining factor for the best companies? > Here’s the 1980 list of market cap leaders. Had IBM not been forced > out of the PC market, I’d bet IBM would still be at or near the top, > and MSFT wouldn’t be. "Forced out". I think not. IBM gave up that market. > 1980: > > 1. IBM > 2. AT&T > 3. Exxon > 4. Standard Oil of Indiana > 5. Schlumberger > 6. Shell Oil > 7. Mobil > 8. Standard Oil of California > 9. Atlantic Richfield > 10. GE -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: PC market (was IBM splitting into two companies)
The sale to Lenovo was in 2005; the consent decree was by then irrelevant. IBM was losing market share. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 12:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PC market (was IBM splitting into two companies) I’m not talking about the exit from selling PC’s. (Lenovo dale) I’m talking about the lawsuit the US government filed in 1969 and was settled in the early 80’s that forced IBM out of the PC market (software & hardware) that they dominated at the time. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 12:09 PM, R.S. wrote: W dniu 11.10.2020 o 16:36, Robin Vowels pisze: > On 2020-10-12 00:57, Bill Johnson wrote: >> So market cap is now the determining factor for the best companies? >> Here’s the 1980 list of market cap leaders. Had IBM not been forced >> out of the PC market, I’d bet IBM would still be at or near the top, >> and MSFT wouldn’t be. > > "Forced out". I think not. > IBM gave up that market. IBM usually exit from "commodity" markets. Is it good idea - I don't know, but they simply don't want to compete on retail sales, promotions and other. And honestly - what about PC parket? Who is the winner? When you go to the shopping mall you will find - yes, still Lenovo, HP, some Dell. Toshiba. But also a lot of Asus, MSI, Huawei, Hiro, Gigabyte, Acer, Kiano, Terra, Samsung, LG, DreamMachines and other companies. I'm sorry, but this business went to Eastern Asia. Like steel and shipyard. Oh, BTW - my Dell machine came from Łódź (this is my city, I visited the factory). Maybe it's not far east, but it is still cheaper than Ireland. Of course, IBM also exited from office printers (20+ years ago - Lexmark), big printing systems (sold to Ricoh), ATMs, networking hardware, x Series servers (also sold to Lenovo), PCB (Celestica), IC (Global Foundries), etc. In the past they also exited from 9 track reel tapes, punched card equipment... Disclaimer: I'm neither IBM fanboy nor IBM antagonist. I don't know what to think about the news about split. I just observe. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,http://secure-web.cisco.com/1UsN_0WQQEAMFY3Pm99FjbzKIcP_E3vhnmlAp5cWcHpUdM_HY5zVDOA7ttGxAzNVLG4Cb4go0duN2TQe9rrrzMw1CRQJ6t1Qr1-V6x-oyQZU_wuiM7OKFsIW9Vr-6Ci2QUvQ3ExFzZgQzNpy_JSsJQ54Mqpj8QHUGGiGxAXLpxncFtuNLYU2TYue4cD1rBg_rhp-Hk2PuPAf0uMerRCRjetTxym6QbnHgQbdwfb-LNc4ksOiqK_sLVkRdnH76jRu04_AQxna7pjnWX1F-RKMZSHXWOs68aMXFAbPdJxtRiU-wDKk6ZF29THRHuzJdVyEG0l9tij9kFpDmr8amYXTMoAYxHFkuwuPCRypiCZt3Fz7ER6Nm4Ih6xG-ZcBAj7y7lmmmdyLoZ4em7wK2myXHK9eUhCuurizeloRTWHe_FZaGbAqn01NpmM997_UQ0xkw3/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,http://secure-web.cisco.com/1UsN_0WQQEAMFY3Pm99FjbzKIcP_E3vhnmlAp5cWcHpUdM_HY5zVDOA7ttGxAzNVLG4Cb4go0duN2TQe9rrrzMw1CRQJ6t1Qr1-V6x-oyQZU_wuiM7OKFsIW9Vr-6Ci2QUvQ3ExFzZgQzNpy_JSsJQ54Mqpj8QHUGGiGxAXLpxncFtuNLYU2TYue4cD1rBg_rhp-Hk2PuPAf0uMerRCRjetTxym6QbnHgQbdwfb-LNc4ksOiqK_sLVkRdnH76jRu04_AQxna7pjnWX1F-RKMZSHXWOs68aMXFAbPdJxtRiU-wDKk6ZF29THRHuzJdVyEG0l9tij9kFpDmr8amYXTMoAYxHFkuwuPCRypiCZt3Fz7ER6Nm4Ih6xG-ZcBAj7y7lmmmdyLoZ4em7wK2myXHK9eUhCuurizeloRTWHe_FZaGbAqn01NpmM997_UQ0xkw3/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP
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No, but the patent *process* is. In principle the USPTO should not issue a patent obvious to practitioners or that is prior art; in reality, it happens all the time. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of R.S. Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 12:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies Patents are not pathetic. Other companies still make new patents. Including those like Microsoft and Google. Patents are still valid and important even if some company have only few of them or cannot make any. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 11.10.2020 o 18:11, Bill Johnson pisze: > So everything IBM says/does are lies and pathetic?The comedy here is worth > its weight in gold. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 12:08 PM, David Crayford > wrote: > > IBM patents are mostly pathetic. They patent stuff like "how to create a > railroad diagram using REXX . It's embarrassing! The likes of Google, > Facebook and even the new Microsoft open source all of their code so > everybody can use it for free. Software patents are nothing more then > bargaining chips. Google doesn't care about who has access to their > code. They give it away for free. > > On 2020-10-11 9:31 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: >> IBM, as usual, almost always leads the US in patents. This year is no >> exception. Which indicates how intelligent their engineers are. IBM laid the >> groundwork for much of today’s IT. >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> >> On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 1:43 AM, zMan wrote: >> >> Well, big companies ARE using AWS, GCP, and Azure for critical information. >> We deal with them every day. >> >> And for the record, I'm hardly an IBM or mainframe basher. I just call out >> BS when I see it, like that 1.3M/second. Which you have not responded to. >> It was IBM who said they came up with that by taking their largest >> customers and extrapolating. Using that methodology, every car is good for >> 2M miles and gets 80MPG. Oh, and we're all billionaires. See how bad that >> approach is? >> >> Now, if the $6B is true, that's fascinating. It still doesn't explain why >> the dozens of large mainframe shops we work with NEVER mention IBM when >> they talk cloud. Maybe IBM has a few really big clients (.gov)? I don't >> know. >> >> Back to processing credit card transactions--again, processors don't use z. >> (Well, I can think of a couple that do, but by and large, they don't.) >> You're confusing processors, acquirers, issuers, and brands. Those are >> different. >> >> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 2:27 PM Bill Johnson < >> 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >> >>> 6 billion in cloud revenue latest quarter. About half of AZURE. Looks >>> bigger than 2% to me. >>> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1E6yv0YYCCY-AkJdqS9-AsIYtOgIwHIy4Ow8og6r7HPwX_hufFwUCDANP0-vIRezLVxsaG1YoPyeAQn2_QK8FKcWMYJWHsa2XyruwkNWE8a8cqGD4iJC-nVfANSKQJ7Z8SQKB9ccfRD_tk-R30C6iyI0lg5kDpmzHl1m8jNbbTO_3pu7_mcNCTt8Mp01_HMPe5c5U-foKna2HtHA-l-Sy28EBz6vlnpyjQ4I0PQ6GxyL7_ZgXoFabHiBxOuoQ5kXqy2Mr-_2n8jstnH37c_7YGZsGllm5FbqdTGi-yQLSJdKnRneoLhDda4bll7yk3eYlYQF6-O685Wh6Nra6i2M2VHe_2urtsnkCCpa6D1TuMd1_aqoBLrv9k3AfRLpIUuo06PZvOgEd-ZvHQkPQmn-8Slv3xUpwy3Ehy6IAiKpFPGAyVi6iVY6gPUdblMcAreglzq4SFK2gOf7a4Bnus1jTLQ/https%3A%2F%2Fcloudwars.co%2Fcloud-wars-top-10-vendors-world%2F >>> Read up. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan >>> wrote: >>> >>> Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the fact >>> remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't >>> become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE transaction >>> quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000 per day. 112 >>> BILLION. That's 16 transactions per day per person on the planet. Be >>> serious. That number comes from IBM, was extrapolated by taking their >>> largest five customers and multiplying by the number of z/OS systems out >>> there. Lies, damned lies, and statistics and all that, eh? >>> >>> And plenty of real, serious, multi-billion-dollar companies use AWS, Azure, >>> and even GCP. >>> >>> You work for a vendor; you have access to lots of industry knowledge from >>> the real world, not SHARE or IBM
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And yes, we had battery and generator backup. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 12:18 PM, David Crayford wrote: Who said it has anything to do with the mainframe? The point was that IBM's cloud is not great. Mainframes don't, wont and never will have a role in public clouds. They are for running legacy applications. Maybe hybrid clouds may adopt some z? I certainly hope so. Anything that modernizes the platform to give it more life is a good thing for all of us. And I would love to know what pharmacy has 99.999+ uptime? Do they typically run a UPS and generators in case of a power cut? What about network redundancy and other fail-overs in the store? On 2020-10-11 9:41 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: > Looks to me like those census problems weren’t mainframe related at all. I > didn’t say enterprises don’t use AZURE or AWS. They do. They just don’t use > them for mission critical, highly sensitive information. If you walk into a > pharmacy for life saving meds, you want 99.999+ up time. You also don’t want > your health records hacked. In fact, most HC companies can get fined 10k per > record compromised. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 1:28 AM, David Crayford > wrote: > > You're conflating enterprise with traditional mainframe customers such > as the finance industry. Apple, BP, Shell, Coca-Cola etc all use AWS, > are they not enterprise customers? As for health care, the UK NHS is a > huge AWS customer. > > The reputation of IBM's cloud (or maybe just IBM) in Australia hasn't > recovered from the 2016 census fiasco [1]. The Australian government no > longer trusts IBM and has moved to AWS [2]. > > You're obviously an IBM fanboy. A lot of what you say is absolute nonsense. > > [1] > https://www.zdnet.com/article/censusfail-an-omnishambles-of-fabulous-proportions/ > [2] > https://www.zdnet.com/article/australian-2021-digital-census-to-be-built-on-aws/ > > > On 2020-10-11 1:39 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: >> You’re comparing 2 entirely different clouds. IBM isn’t in the consumer >> cloud market. There is more money in PC’s than there is in mainframes too! >> And IBM processes 90% of credit card transactions. You were wrong. No >> fortune 100 companies are going to use AZURE or AWS for highly critical, >> highly sensitive information. Consumer clouds are everywhere. It’s becoming >> commoditized. Enterprise cloud will never be commoditized and will remain >> highly profitable. Banks, big retailers, and health care can’t afford the >> hacks and crashes of consumer cloud services. >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> >> On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan wrote: >> >> Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the fact >> remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't >> become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE transaction >> quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000 per day. 112 >> BILLION. That's 16 transactions per day per person on the planet. Be >> serious. That number comes from IBM, was extrapolated by taking their >> largest five customers and multiplying by the number of z/OS systems out >> there. Lies, damned lies, and statistics and all that, eh? >> >> And plenty of real, serious, multi-billion-dollar companies use AWS, Azure, >> and even GCP. >> >> You work for a vendor; you have access to lots of industry knowledge from >> the real world, not SHARE or IBM marketing. Talk to your peers. Learn. The >> truth is out there. >> >> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:57 PM Bill Johnson < >> 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >> >>> I’ve studied them extensively. I’m an investor. So I really don’t need the >>> lecture but I understand that’s what the frequent posters here need to do. >>> Large enterprises aren’t building on AZURE & AWS. Lots of smaller companies >>> are. Because of the costs. AZURE & AWS are on the way to commoditization. >>> Because it’s easy to replicate. In fact, AZURE growth is beginning to slow. >>> Even with the government contract. >>> >>> https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/31/probeat-slowing-aws-microsoft-azure-and-google-cloud-revenue-growth-is-a-good-thing/amp/ >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Friday, October 9, 2020, 6:38 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 < >>> 031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >>> >>> Don't
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.com/2020/07/31/probeat-slowing-aws-microsoft-azure-and-google-cloud-revenue-growth-is-a-good-thing/amp/ >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Friday, October 9, 2020, 6:38 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 < >>> 031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >>> >>> Don't believe whoever told you that about AWS. There are real companies >>> building real enterprise-level applications on AWS today. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf >>> Of Bill Johnson >>> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 7:53 AM >>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>> Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies >>> >>> 2 completely different markets. AZURE & AWS are consumer market clouds. >>> IBM is enterprise. >>> >>> >>> On Friday, October 9, 2020, 5:28 AM, zMan wrote: >>> >>> Actually, Bill, it's pretty clear that you didn't read the report. It's at >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://kinsta.com/blog/cloud-market-share/__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!bkn5Ica_-GSgVSVMQhoO-ZwjnqBMD632lXyTKAVvTtc_OWH8fyBG3CcIrbtSWqbpWZCJsA$ >>> and lists the top 5 vendors, comprising more than half the market, and then >>> notes that the next ten players--of whom IBM is one--"account for another >>> 26% of the SaaS market". >>> So IBM has a couple of percent; as I said, that's a joke. Not a major >>> player. >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 10:04 PM Bill Johnson < >>> 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >>> >>>> Anyone who says IBM cloud is a joke isn’t well informed. >>>> Cloud Market Share – a Look at the Cloud Ecosystem in 2020 >>>> >>>> | >>>> | >>>> | >>>> | | | >>>> >>>> | >>>> >>>> | >>>> | >>>> | | >>>> Cloud Market Share – a Look at the Cloud Ecosystem in 2020 >>>> >>>> Deep dive into the Cloud Market Share with tons of data and stats >>>> compared to explain the different cloud services and identify the >>>> leading cloud providers. >>>> | | >>>> >>>> | >>>> >>>> | >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, October 8, 2020, 3:41 PM, zMan >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> "IBM cloud" is a joke. When anyone talks about cloud, it's AWS, Azure, >>>> maybe GCP. NEVER EVER ONCE IBM. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 12:24 PM Allan Staller >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Classification: HCL Internal >>>>> >>>>> Don't know anything about this directly, but It actually might help >>>>> the "traditional" portfolio by allowing more focus. >>>>> The cloud portion can benefit from reduced bureaucracy, so on the >>>> surface, >>>>> this is a win-win. >>>>> >>>>> OTOH, how many cloud providers have been hacked to date. I recall >>>>> APPLE, AMAZON and I think one more. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On >>>>> Behalf Of Dave Jousma >>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 10:44 AM >>>>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>>>> Subject: IBM splitting into two companies >>>>> >>>>> [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you >>>>> trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be >>>>> a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise >>>>> your Computer.] >>>>> >>>>> Anyone know any more about this? >>> -- >>> >>> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the >>> addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. >>> If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized >>> representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >>> dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have >>> received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by >>> e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >>> > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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True. Thanks. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 12:36 PM, R.S. wrote: Bill, I know that. I just complemented your answer. BTW: I also wasn't the person wrote about IBM was not forced out. However I believe you also knew that. Fortunately listserv is written, so everyone may read the history and re-read if needed. Regards -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 11.10.2020 o 18:27, Bill Johnson pisze: > I agree. It wasn’t me who said they were pathetic. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 12:26 PM, R.S. > wrote: > > Patents are not pathetic. Other companies still make new patents. > Including those like Microsoft and Google. > Patents are still valid and important even if some company have only few > of them or cannot make any. > == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169.401.468 as at 1 January 2020. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Bill, I know that. I just complemented your answer. BTW: I also wasn't the person wrote about IBM was not forced out. However I believe you also knew that. Fortunately listserv is written, so everyone may read the history and re-read if needed. Regards -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 11.10.2020 o 18:27, Bill Johnson pisze: I agree. It wasn’t me who said they were pathetic. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 12:26 PM, R.S. wrote: Patents are not pathetic. Other companies still make new patents. Including those like Microsoft and Google. Patents are still valid and important even if some company have only few of them or cannot make any. == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169.401.468 as at 1 January 2020. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I agree. It wasn’t me who said they were pathetic. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 12:26 PM, R.S. wrote: Patents are not pathetic. Other companies still make new patents. Including those like Microsoft and Google. Patents are still valid and important even if some company have only few of them or cannot make any. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 11.10.2020 o 18:11, Bill Johnson pisze: > So everything IBM says/does are lies and pathetic?The comedy here is worth > its weight in gold. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 12:08 PM, David Crayford > wrote: > > IBM patents are mostly pathetic. They patent stuff like "how to create a > railroad diagram using REXX . It's embarrassing! The likes of Google, > Facebook and even the new Microsoft open source all of their code so > everybody can use it for free. Software patents are nothing more then > bargaining chips. Google doesn't care about who has access to their > code. They give it away for free. > > On 2020-10-11 9:31 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: >> IBM, as usual, almost always leads the US in patents. This year is no >> exception. Which indicates how intelligent their engineers are. IBM laid the >> groundwork for much of today’s IT. >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> >> On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 1:43 AM, zMan wrote: >> >> Well, big companies ARE using AWS, GCP, and Azure for critical information. >> We deal with them every day. >> >> And for the record, I'm hardly an IBM or mainframe basher. I just call out >> BS when I see it, like that 1.3M/second. Which you have not responded to. >> It was IBM who said they came up with that by taking their largest >> customers and extrapolating. Using that methodology, every car is good for >> 2M miles and gets 80MPG. Oh, and we're all billionaires. See how bad that >> approach is? >> >> Now, if the $6B is true, that's fascinating. It still doesn't explain why >> the dozens of large mainframe shops we work with NEVER mention IBM when >> they talk cloud. Maybe IBM has a few really big clients (.gov)? I don't >> know. >> >> Back to processing credit card transactions--again, processors don't use z. >> (Well, I can think of a couple that do, but by and large, they don't.) >> You're confusing processors, acquirers, issuers, and brands. Those are >> different. >> >> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 2:27 PM Bill Johnson < >> 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >> >>> 6 billion in cloud revenue latest quarter. About half of AZURE. Looks >>> bigger than 2% to me. >>> https://cloudwars.co/cloud-wars-top-10-vendors-world/ >>> Read up. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan >>> wrote: >>> >>> Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the fact >>> remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't >>> become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE transaction >>> quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000 per day. 112 >>> BILLION. That's 16 transactions per day per person on the planet. Be >>> serious. That number comes from IBM, was extrapolated by taking their >>> largest five customers and multiplying by the number of z/OS systems out >>> there. Lies, damned lies, and statistics and all that, eh? >>> >>> And plenty of real, serious, multi-billion-dollar companies use AWS, Azure, >>> and even GCP. >>> >>> You work for a vendor; you have access to lots of industry knowledge from >>> the real world, not SHARE or IBM marketing. Talk to your peers. Learn. The >>> truth is out there. >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:57 PM Bill Johnson < >>> 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >>> >>>> I’ve studied them extensively. I’m an investor. So I really don’t need >>> the >>>> lecture but I understand that’s what the frequent posters here need to >>> do. >>>> Large enterprises aren’t building on AZURE & AWS. Lots of smaller >>> companies >>>> are. Because of the costs. AZURE & AWS are on the way to commoditization. >>>> Because it’s easy to replicate. In fact, AZURE growth is beginning to >>> slow. >>>> Even with the government contract. >
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
Patents are not pathetic. Other companies still make new patents. Including those like Microsoft and Google. Patents are still valid and important even if some company have only few of them or cannot make any. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 11.10.2020 o 18:11, Bill Johnson pisze: So everything IBM says/does are lies and pathetic?The comedy here is worth its weight in gold. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 12:08 PM, David Crayford wrote: IBM patents are mostly pathetic. They patent stuff like "how to create a railroad diagram using REXX . It's embarrassing! The likes of Google, Facebook and even the new Microsoft open source all of their code so everybody can use it for free. Software patents are nothing more then bargaining chips. Google doesn't care about who has access to their code. They give it away for free. On 2020-10-11 9:31 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: IBM, as usual, almost always leads the US in patents. This year is no exception. Which indicates how intelligent their engineers are. IBM laid the groundwork for much of today’s IT. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 1:43 AM, zMan wrote: Well, big companies ARE using AWS, GCP, and Azure for critical information. We deal with them every day. And for the record, I'm hardly an IBM or mainframe basher. I just call out BS when I see it, like that 1.3M/second. Which you have not responded to. It was IBM who said they came up with that by taking their largest customers and extrapolating. Using that methodology, every car is good for 2M miles and gets 80MPG. Oh, and we're all billionaires. See how bad that approach is? Now, if the $6B is true, that's fascinating. It still doesn't explain why the dozens of large mainframe shops we work with NEVER mention IBM when they talk cloud. Maybe IBM has a few really big clients (.gov)? I don't know. Back to processing credit card transactions--again, processors don't use z. (Well, I can think of a couple that do, but by and large, they don't.) You're confusing processors, acquirers, issuers, and brands. Those are different. On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 2:27 PM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: 6 billion in cloud revenue latest quarter. About half of AZURE. Looks bigger than 2% to me. https://cloudwars.co/cloud-wars-top-10-vendors-world/ Read up. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan wrote: Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the fact remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE transaction quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000 per day. 112 BILLION. That's 16 transactions per day per person on the planet. Be serious. That number comes from IBM, was extrapolated by taking their largest five customers and multiplying by the number of z/OS systems out there. Lies, damned lies, and statistics and all that, eh? And plenty of real, serious, multi-billion-dollar companies use AWS, Azure, and even GCP. You work for a vendor; you have access to lots of industry knowledge from the real world, not SHARE or IBM marketing. Talk to your peers. Learn. The truth is out there. On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:57 PM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: I’ve studied them extensively. I’m an investor. So I really don’t need the lecture but I understand that’s what the frequent posters here need to do. Large enterprises aren’t building on AZURE & AWS. Lots of smaller companies are. Because of the costs. AZURE & AWS are on the way to commoditization. Because it’s easy to replicate. In fact, AZURE growth is beginning to slow. Even with the government contract. https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/31/probeat-slowing-aws-microsoft-azure-and-google-cloud-revenue-growth-is-a-good-thing/amp/ Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, October 9, 2020, 6:38 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 < 031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Don't believe whoever told you that about AWS. There are real companies building real enterprise-level applications on AWS today. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 7:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies 2 completely different markets. AZURE & AWS are consumer market clouds. IBM is enterprise. On Friday, October 9, 2020, 5:28 AM, zMan wrote: Actually, Bill, it's pretty clear that you didn't read the report. It's at https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://kinsta.com/blog/cloud-market-share/__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!bkn5Ica_-GSgVSVMQhoO-ZwjnqBMD632lXyTKAVvTtc_OWH8fyBG3CcIrbtSWqbpWZCJsA$ and lists the top
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
Yeah, been hearing the imminent demise stories since the 1990’s. Yet, IBM keeps pumping out world class mainframes. And still processes the majority of important transactions. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 12:18 PM, David Crayford wrote: Who said it has anything to do with the mainframe? The point was that IBM's cloud is not great. Mainframes don't, wont and never will have a role in public clouds. They are for running legacy applications. Maybe hybrid clouds may adopt some z? I certainly hope so. Anything that modernizes the platform to give it more life is a good thing for all of us. And I would love to know what pharmacy has 99.999+ uptime? Do they typically run a UPS and generators in case of a power cut? What about network redundancy and other fail-overs in the store? On 2020-10-11 9:41 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: > Looks to me like those census problems weren’t mainframe related at all. I > didn’t say enterprises don’t use AZURE or AWS. They do. They just don’t use > them for mission critical, highly sensitive information. If you walk into a > pharmacy for life saving meds, you want 99.999+ up time. You also don’t want > your health records hacked. In fact, most HC companies can get fined 10k per > record compromised. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 1:28 AM, David Crayford > wrote: > > You're conflating enterprise with traditional mainframe customers such > as the finance industry. Apple, BP, Shell, Coca-Cola etc all use AWS, > are they not enterprise customers? As for health care, the UK NHS is a > huge AWS customer. > > The reputation of IBM's cloud (or maybe just IBM) in Australia hasn't > recovered from the 2016 census fiasco [1]. The Australian government no > longer trusts IBM and has moved to AWS [2]. > > You're obviously an IBM fanboy. A lot of what you say is absolute nonsense. > > [1] > https://www.zdnet.com/article/censusfail-an-omnishambles-of-fabulous-proportions/ > [2] > https://www.zdnet.com/article/australian-2021-digital-census-to-be-built-on-aws/ > > > On 2020-10-11 1:39 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: >> You’re comparing 2 entirely different clouds. IBM isn’t in the consumer >> cloud market. There is more money in PC’s than there is in mainframes too! >> And IBM processes 90% of credit card transactions. You were wrong. No >> fortune 100 companies are going to use AZURE or AWS for highly critical, >> highly sensitive information. Consumer clouds are everywhere. It’s becoming >> commoditized. Enterprise cloud will never be commoditized and will remain >> highly profitable. Banks, big retailers, and health care can’t afford the >> hacks and crashes of consumer cloud services. >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> >> On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan wrote: >> >> Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the fact >> remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't >> become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE transaction >> quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000 per day. 112 >> BILLION. That's 16 transactions per day per person on the planet. Be >> serious. That number comes from IBM, was extrapolated by taking their >> largest five customers and multiplying by the number of z/OS systems out >> there. Lies, damned lies, and statistics and all that, eh? >> >> And plenty of real, serious, multi-billion-dollar companies use AWS, Azure, >> and even GCP. >> >> You work for a vendor; you have access to lots of industry knowledge from >> the real world, not SHARE or IBM marketing. Talk to your peers. Learn. The >> truth is out there. >> >> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:57 PM Bill Johnson < >> 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >> >>> I’ve studied them extensively. I’m an investor. So I really don’t need the >>> lecture but I understand that’s what the frequent posters here need to do. >>> Large enterprises aren’t building on AZURE & AWS. Lots of smaller companies >>> are. Because of the costs. AZURE & AWS are on the way to commoditization. >>> Because it’s easy to replicate. In fact, AZURE growth is beginning to slow. >>> Even with the government contract. >>> >>> https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/31/probeat-slowing-aws-microsoft-azure-and-google-cloud-revenue-growth-is-a-good-thing/amp/ >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Friday, October 9, 2020, 6:38 PM, Farley, Peter x2
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
Amazon, PayPal, & Apple either have a mainframe (PayPal did when I interviewed there) or their transactions are processed by a bank, which uses the mainframe. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 11:53 AM, David Crayford wrote: I buy stuff on Amazon, use Apple wallet and Paypal so I guess my personal financial data is already on the cloud. I won't be losing any sleep about that and have no plans to go back to using cash or shopping exclusively in stores. On 2020-10-11 1:10 PM, Mike Hochee wrote: > Over the last few years I have hoped IBM would become more of a cloud player > and attempt to marry some of the long-standing and well established > zEnterprise strengths; security, reliability, extensibility, performance, > etc., with what I always perceived to be an inherently less secure cloud and > web services environment. I thought there was significant opportunity for a > complement, where zEnterprise strengths could be leveraged by the needs of > cloud and web service processing, and this would likely be workload dependent. > > To be sure, there are undoubtedly many cloud based apps that have no need of, > nor business requirements for, zEnterprise integrity attributes, and a census > might well be one of them. Cloud computing has come a long way over the past > 10+ years, but I still don't want my personal financial data and current card > transactions residing on a public cloud (encrypted or not). I have read too > many articles which in general testify to the insecurity of data in the > cloud. Hybrid and private clouds might be another matter, and this is where I > thought the advantages of zEnterprise could potentially be a value add to > cloud service providers with customers that expect (demand) a higher level of > security and processing integrity. > > I suspect the splitting of IBM will only make the communication needed for > any synergy between the hallmarks of traditional mainframe computing and > cloud computing more difficult. In the meantime profit motive will continue > to compromise the decisions of executives the world over and result in more > and more insecure hosting of their customer's personal and financial data. > > I wonder what if anything Arvind Krishna thinks about z/OS? A very bold move > by someone only six months on the job. > > My nickel's worth. > > Mike > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of David Crayford > Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 11:31 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies > > Caution! This message was sent from outside your organization. > > You're conflating enterprise with traditional mainframe customers such as the > finance industry. Apple, BP, Shell, Coca-Cola etc all use AWS, are they not > enterprise customers? As for health care, the UK NHS is a huge AWS customer. > > The reputation of IBM's cloud (or maybe just IBM) in Australia hasn't > recovered from the 2016 census fiasco [1]. The Australian government no > longer trusts IBM and has moved to AWS [2]. > > You're obviously an IBM fanboy. A lot of what you say is absolute nonsense. > > [1] > https://www.zdnet.com/article/censusfail-an-omnishambles-of-fabulous-proportions/ > [2] > https://www.zdnet.com/article/australian-2021-digital-census-to-be-built-on-aws/ > > > On 2020-10-11 1:39 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: >> You’re comparing 2 entirely different clouds. IBM isn’t in the consumer >> cloud market. There is more money in PC’s than there is in mainframes too! >> And IBM processes 90% of credit card transactions. You were wrong. No >> fortune 100 companies are going to use AZURE or AWS for highly critical, >> highly sensitive information. Consumer clouds are everywhere. It’s becoming >> commoditized. Enterprise cloud will never be commoditized and will remain >> highly profitable. Banks, big retailers, and health care can’t afford the >> hacks and crashes of consumer cloud services. >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> >> On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan wrote: >> >> Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the >> fact >> remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't >> become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE >> transaction quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000 >> per day. 112 BILLION. That's 16 transactions per day per person on the >> planet. Be serious. That number comes from IBM, was extrapolated by >> taking their largest five
Re: PC market (was IBM splitting into two companies)
I’m not talking about the exit from selling PC’s. (Lenovo dale) I’m talking about the lawsuit the US government filed in 1969 and was settled in the early 80’s that forced IBM out of the PC market (software & hardware) that they dominated at the time. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 12:09 PM, R.S. wrote: W dniu 11.10.2020 o 16:36, Robin Vowels pisze: > On 2020-10-12 00:57, Bill Johnson wrote: >> So market cap is now the determining factor for the best companies? >> Here’s the 1980 list of market cap leaders. Had IBM not been forced >> out of the PC market, I’d bet IBM would still be at or near the top, >> and MSFT wouldn’t be. > > "Forced out". I think not. > IBM gave up that market. IBM usually exit from "commodity" markets. Is it good idea - I don't know, but they simply don't want to compete on retail sales, promotions and other. And honestly - what about PC parket? Who is the winner? When you go to the shopping mall you will find - yes, still Lenovo, HP, some Dell. Toshiba. But also a lot of Asus, MSI, Huawei, Hiro, Gigabyte, Acer, Kiano, Terra, Samsung, LG, DreamMachines and other companies. I'm sorry, but this business went to Eastern Asia. Like steel and shipyard. Oh, BTW - my Dell machine came from Łódź (this is my city, I visited the factory). Maybe it's not far east, but it is still cheaper than Ireland. Of course, IBM also exited from office printers (20+ years ago - Lexmark), big printing systems (sold to Ricoh), ATMs, networking hardware, x Series servers (also sold to Lenovo), PCB (Celestica), IC (Global Foundries), etc. In the past they also exited from 9 track reel tapes, punched card equipment... Disclaimer: I'm neither IBM fanboy nor IBM antagonist. I don't know what to think about the news about split. I just observe. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169.401.468 as at 1 January 2020. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
So everything IBM says/does are lies and pathetic?The comedy here is worth its weight in gold. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 12:08 PM, David Crayford wrote: IBM patents are mostly pathetic. They patent stuff like "how to create a railroad diagram using REXX . It's embarrassing! The likes of Google, Facebook and even the new Microsoft open source all of their code so everybody can use it for free. Software patents are nothing more then bargaining chips. Google doesn't care about who has access to their code. They give it away for free. On 2020-10-11 9:31 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: > IBM, as usual, almost always leads the US in patents. This year is no > exception. Which indicates how intelligent their engineers are. IBM laid the > groundwork for much of today’s IT. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 1:43 AM, zMan wrote: > > Well, big companies ARE using AWS, GCP, and Azure for critical information. > We deal with them every day. > > And for the record, I'm hardly an IBM or mainframe basher. I just call out > BS when I see it, like that 1.3M/second. Which you have not responded to. > It was IBM who said they came up with that by taking their largest > customers and extrapolating. Using that methodology, every car is good for > 2M miles and gets 80MPG. Oh, and we're all billionaires. See how bad that > approach is? > > Now, if the $6B is true, that's fascinating. It still doesn't explain why > the dozens of large mainframe shops we work with NEVER mention IBM when > they talk cloud. Maybe IBM has a few really big clients (.gov)? I don't > know. > > Back to processing credit card transactions--again, processors don't use z. > (Well, I can think of a couple that do, but by and large, they don't.) > You're confusing processors, acquirers, issuers, and brands. Those are > different. > > On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 2:27 PM Bill Johnson < > 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >> 6 billion in cloud revenue latest quarter. About half of AZURE. Looks >> bigger than 2% to me. >> https://cloudwars.co/cloud-wars-top-10-vendors-world/ >> Read up. >> >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> >> On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan >> wrote: >> >> Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the fact >> remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't >> become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE transaction >> quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000 per day. 112 >> BILLION. That's 16 transactions per day per person on the planet. Be >> serious. That number comes from IBM, was extrapolated by taking their >> largest five customers and multiplying by the number of z/OS systems out >> there. Lies, damned lies, and statistics and all that, eh? >> >> And plenty of real, serious, multi-billion-dollar companies use AWS, Azure, >> and even GCP. >> >> You work for a vendor; you have access to lots of industry knowledge from >> the real world, not SHARE or IBM marketing. Talk to your peers. Learn. The >> truth is out there. >> >> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:57 PM Bill Johnson < >> 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >> >>> I’ve studied them extensively. I’m an investor. So I really don’t need >> the >>> lecture but I understand that’s what the frequent posters here need to >> do. >>> Large enterprises aren’t building on AZURE & AWS. Lots of smaller >> companies >>> are. Because of the costs. AZURE & AWS are on the way to commoditization. >>> Because it’s easy to replicate. In fact, AZURE growth is beginning to >> slow. >>> Even with the government contract. >>> >>> >> https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/31/probeat-slowing-aws-microsoft-azure-and-google-cloud-revenue-growth-is-a-good-thing/amp/ >>> >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Friday, October 9, 2020, 6:38 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 < >>> 031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >>> >>> Don't believe whoever told you that about AWS. There are real companies >>> building real enterprise-level applications on AWS today. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf >>> Of Bill Johnson >>> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 7:53 AM >>> To: IBM-MAIN@LIST
Re: PC market (was IBM splitting into two companies)
W dniu 11.10.2020 o 16:36, Robin Vowels pisze: On 2020-10-12 00:57, Bill Johnson wrote: So market cap is now the determining factor for the best companies? Here’s the 1980 list of market cap leaders. Had IBM not been forced out of the PC market, I’d bet IBM would still be at or near the top, and MSFT wouldn’t be. "Forced out". I think not. IBM gave up that market. IBM usually exit from "commodity" markets. Is it good idea - I don't know, but they simply don't want to compete on retail sales, promotions and other. And honestly - what about PC parket? Who is the winner? When you go to the shopping mall you will find - yes, still Lenovo, HP, some Dell. Toshiba. But also a lot of Asus, MSI, Huawei, Hiro, Gigabyte, Acer, Kiano, Terra, Samsung, LG, DreamMachines and other companies. I'm sorry, but this business went to Eastern Asia. Like steel and shipyard. Oh, BTW - my Dell machine came from Łódź (this is my city, I visited the factory). Maybe it's not far east, but it is still cheaper than Ireland. Of course, IBM also exited from office printers (20+ years ago - Lexmark), big printing systems (sold to Ricoh), ATMs, networking hardware, x Series servers (also sold to Lenovo), PCB (Celestica), IC (Global Foundries), etc. In the past they also exited from 9 track reel tapes, punched card equipment... Disclaimer: I'm neither IBM fanboy nor IBM antagonist. I don't know what to think about the news about split. I just observe. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169.401.468 as at 1 January 2020. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
New IBM mainframe can process 1 trillion web transactions a day | | | | || | | | | | New IBM mainframe can process 1 trillion web transactions a day IBM is out with its newest mainframe - z15. Yahoo Finance sat down with Tom Rosamilia, the Senior Vice President of IBM Systems and Chairman of IBM North America to hear how it'll change the industry. | | | | Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 11:53 AM, David Crayford wrote: I buy stuff on Amazon, use Apple wallet and Paypal so I guess my personal financial data is already on the cloud. I won't be losing any sleep about that and have no plans to go back to using cash or shopping exclusively in stores. On 2020-10-11 1:10 PM, Mike Hochee wrote: > Over the last few years I have hoped IBM would become more of a cloud player > and attempt to marry some of the long-standing and well established > zEnterprise strengths; security, reliability, extensibility, performance, > etc., with what I always perceived to be an inherently less secure cloud and > web services environment. I thought there was significant opportunity for a > complement, where zEnterprise strengths could be leveraged by the needs of > cloud and web service processing, and this would likely be workload dependent. > > To be sure, there are undoubtedly many cloud based apps that have no need of, > nor business requirements for, zEnterprise integrity attributes, and a census > might well be one of them. Cloud computing has come a long way over the past > 10+ years, but I still don't want my personal financial data and current card > transactions residing on a public cloud (encrypted or not). I have read too > many articles which in general testify to the insecurity of data in the > cloud. Hybrid and private clouds might be another matter, and this is where I > thought the advantages of zEnterprise could potentially be a value add to > cloud service providers with customers that expect (demand) a higher level of > security and processing integrity. > > I suspect the splitting of IBM will only make the communication needed for > any synergy between the hallmarks of traditional mainframe computing and > cloud computing more difficult. In the meantime profit motive will continue > to compromise the decisions of executives the world over and result in more > and more insecure hosting of their customer's personal and financial data. > > I wonder what if anything Arvind Krishna thinks about z/OS? A very bold move > by someone only six months on the job. > > My nickel's worth. > > Mike > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of David Crayford > Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 11:31 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies > > Caution! This message was sent from outside your organization. > > You're conflating enterprise with traditional mainframe customers such as the > finance industry. Apple, BP, Shell, Coca-Cola etc all use AWS, are they not > enterprise customers? As for health care, the UK NHS is a huge AWS customer. > > The reputation of IBM's cloud (or maybe just IBM) in Australia hasn't > recovered from the 2016 census fiasco [1]. The Australian government no > longer trusts IBM and has moved to AWS [2]. > > You're obviously an IBM fanboy. A lot of what you say is absolute nonsense. > > [1] > https://www.zdnet.com/article/censusfail-an-omnishambles-of-fabulous-proportions/ > [2] > https://www.zdnet.com/article/australian-2021-digital-census-to-be-built-on-aws/ > > > On 2020-10-11 1:39 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: >> You’re comparing 2 entirely different clouds. IBM isn’t in the consumer >> cloud market. There is more money in PC’s than there is in mainframes too! >> And IBM processes 90% of credit card transactions. You were wrong. No >> fortune 100 companies are going to use AZURE or AWS for highly critical, >> highly sensitive information. Consumer clouds are everywhere. It’s becoming >> commoditized. Enterprise cloud will never be commoditized and will remain >> highly profitable. Banks, big retailers, and health care can’t afford the >> hacks and crashes of consumer cloud services. >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> >> On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan wrote: >> >> Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the >> fact >> remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't >> become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE >> transacti
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IBM z15 release shines light on how much is still being run on a mainframe | ZDNet | | | IBM z15 release shines light on how much is still being run on a mainframe | ZDNet | | | Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 11:53 AM, David Crayford wrote: I buy stuff on Amazon, use Apple wallet and Paypal so I guess my personal financial data is already on the cloud. I won't be losing any sleep about that and have no plans to go back to using cash or shopping exclusively in stores. On 2020-10-11 1:10 PM, Mike Hochee wrote: > Over the last few years I have hoped IBM would become more of a cloud player > and attempt to marry some of the long-standing and well established > zEnterprise strengths; security, reliability, extensibility, performance, > etc., with what I always perceived to be an inherently less secure cloud and > web services environment. I thought there was significant opportunity for a > complement, where zEnterprise strengths could be leveraged by the needs of > cloud and web service processing, and this would likely be workload dependent. > > To be sure, there are undoubtedly many cloud based apps that have no need of, > nor business requirements for, zEnterprise integrity attributes, and a census > might well be one of them. Cloud computing has come a long way over the past > 10+ years, but I still don't want my personal financial data and current card > transactions residing on a public cloud (encrypted or not). I have read too > many articles which in general testify to the insecurity of data in the > cloud. Hybrid and private clouds might be another matter, and this is where I > thought the advantages of zEnterprise could potentially be a value add to > cloud service providers with customers that expect (demand) a higher level of > security and processing integrity. > > I suspect the splitting of IBM will only make the communication needed for > any synergy between the hallmarks of traditional mainframe computing and > cloud computing more difficult. In the meantime profit motive will continue > to compromise the decisions of executives the world over and result in more > and more insecure hosting of their customer's personal and financial data. > > I wonder what if anything Arvind Krishna thinks about z/OS? A very bold move > by someone only six months on the job. > > My nickel's worth. > > Mike > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of David Crayford > Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 11:31 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies > > Caution! This message was sent from outside your organization. > > You're conflating enterprise with traditional mainframe customers such as the > finance industry. Apple, BP, Shell, Coca-Cola etc all use AWS, are they not > enterprise customers? As for health care, the UK NHS is a huge AWS customer. > > The reputation of IBM's cloud (or maybe just IBM) in Australia hasn't > recovered from the 2016 census fiasco [1]. The Australian government no > longer trusts IBM and has moved to AWS [2]. > > You're obviously an IBM fanboy. A lot of what you say is absolute nonsense. > > [1] > https://www.zdnet.com/article/censusfail-an-omnishambles-of-fabulous-proportions/ > [2] > https://www.zdnet.com/article/australian-2021-digital-census-to-be-built-on-aws/ > > > On 2020-10-11 1:39 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: >> You’re comparing 2 entirely different clouds. IBM isn’t in the consumer >> cloud market. There is more money in PC’s than there is in mainframes too! >> And IBM processes 90% of credit card transactions. You were wrong. No >> fortune 100 companies are going to use AZURE or AWS for highly critical, >> highly sensitive information. Consumer clouds are everywhere. It’s becoming >> commoditized. Enterprise cloud will never be commoditized and will remain >> highly profitable. Banks, big retailers, and health care can’t afford the >> hacks and crashes of consumer cloud services. >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> >> On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan wrote: >> >> Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the >> fact >> remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't >> become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE >> transaction quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000 >> per day. 112 BILLION. That's 16 transactions per day per person on the >> planet. Be serious. That number comes from IBM, was extrapol
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
PayPal’s mainframe is here in Ohio. Or was when I interviewed there. Apple has em too. Why on Earth Is IBM Still Making Mainframes? | WIRED | | | | || | | | || Why on Earth Is IBM Still Making Mainframes? | WIRED On Tuesday, IBM launched the z13 mainframe, which it bills as the first mainframe specifically designed to accommodate the booming mobile app economy. | | | | Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 11:53 AM, David Crayford wrote: I buy stuff on Amazon, use Apple wallet and Paypal so I guess my personal financial data is already on the cloud. I won't be losing any sleep about that and have no plans to go back to using cash or shopping exclusively in stores. On 2020-10-11 1:10 PM, Mike Hochee wrote: > Over the last few years I have hoped IBM would become more of a cloud player > and attempt to marry some of the long-standing and well established > zEnterprise strengths; security, reliability, extensibility, performance, > etc., with what I always perceived to be an inherently less secure cloud and > web services environment. I thought there was significant opportunity for a > complement, where zEnterprise strengths could be leveraged by the needs of > cloud and web service processing, and this would likely be workload dependent. > > To be sure, there are undoubtedly many cloud based apps that have no need of, > nor business requirements for, zEnterprise integrity attributes, and a census > might well be one of them. Cloud computing has come a long way over the past > 10+ years, but I still don't want my personal financial data and current card > transactions residing on a public cloud (encrypted or not). I have read too > many articles which in general testify to the insecurity of data in the > cloud. Hybrid and private clouds might be another matter, and this is where I > thought the advantages of zEnterprise could potentially be a value add to > cloud service providers with customers that expect (demand) a higher level of > security and processing integrity. > > I suspect the splitting of IBM will only make the communication needed for > any synergy between the hallmarks of traditional mainframe computing and > cloud computing more difficult. In the meantime profit motive will continue > to compromise the decisions of executives the world over and result in more > and more insecure hosting of their customer's personal and financial data. > > I wonder what if anything Arvind Krishna thinks about z/OS? A very bold move > by someone only six months on the job. > > My nickel's worth. > > Mike > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of David Crayford > Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 11:31 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies > > Caution! This message was sent from outside your organization. > > You're conflating enterprise with traditional mainframe customers such as the > finance industry. Apple, BP, Shell, Coca-Cola etc all use AWS, are they not > enterprise customers? As for health care, the UK NHS is a huge AWS customer. > > The reputation of IBM's cloud (or maybe just IBM) in Australia hasn't > recovered from the 2016 census fiasco [1]. The Australian government no > longer trusts IBM and has moved to AWS [2]. > > You're obviously an IBM fanboy. A lot of what you say is absolute nonsense. > > [1] > https://www.zdnet.com/article/censusfail-an-omnishambles-of-fabulous-proportions/ > [2] > https://www.zdnet.com/article/australian-2021-digital-census-to-be-built-on-aws/ > > > On 2020-10-11 1:39 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: >> You’re comparing 2 entirely different clouds. IBM isn’t in the consumer >> cloud market. There is more money in PC’s than there is in mainframes too! >> And IBM processes 90% of credit card transactions. You were wrong. No >> fortune 100 companies are going to use AZURE or AWS for highly critical, >> highly sensitive information. Consumer clouds are everywhere. It’s becoming >> commoditized. Enterprise cloud will never be commoditized and will remain >> highly profitable. Banks, big retailers, and health care can’t afford the >> hacks and crashes of consumer cloud services. >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> >> On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan wrote: >> >> Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the >> fact >> remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't >> become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE >> trans
Re: PC market (was IBM splitting into two companies)
They were forced out in a lawsuit first filed in 1969 that the government/IBM settled in early 80’s. I’m not referring to them selling their PC business to Lenovo. Read up. It set up MSFT to dominate the PC software market. IBM and Microsoft: Antitrust then and now | | | | || | | | || IBM and Microsoft: Antitrust then and now The giant's insistence on "conduct remedies" harks back to the 1980s, when IBM ended its antitrust skirmish by vowing to change its monopolistic ways. | | | | Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 11:33 AM, Robin Vowels wrote: On 2020-10-12 00:57, Bill Johnson wrote: > So market cap is now the determining factor for the best companies? > Here’s the 1980 list of market cap leaders. Had IBM not been forced > out of the PC market, I’d bet IBM would still be at or near the top, > and MSFT wouldn’t be. "Forced out". I think not. IBM gave up that market. > 1980: > > 1. IBM > 2. AT&T > 3. Exxon > 4. Standard Oil of Indiana > 5. Schlumberger > 6. Shell Oil > 7. Mobil > 8. Standard Oil of California > 9. Atlantic Richfield > 10. GE -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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You are right, but it wasn't just failed implementation. It was blocker from legal point of view - both parties wanted to do the business, but government law demanded this liability. So, no other attempt of any other company (in this business) would be possible. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 11.10.2020 o 17:44, Bill Johnson pisze: One example of a failed implementation, is hardly representative of anything really. I’ve seen hundreds of failed implementations in my 40 years on every platform. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 11:13 AM, R.S. wrote: To complement: AFAIK it is impossible to sign a contract with "full responsibility" of such cloud provider. In some cases it is required by govt regulators. I heard about fiasco of migration to cloud project just because of that. == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169.401.468 as at 1 January 2020. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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One example of a failed implementation, is hardly representative of anything really. I’ve seen hundreds of failed implementations in my 40 years on every platform. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 11:13 AM, R.S. wrote: To complement: AFAIK it is impossible to sign a contract with "full responsibility" of such cloud provider. In some cases it is required by govt regulators. I heard about fiasco of migration to cloud project just because of that. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 11.10.2020 o 15:41, Bill Johnson pisze: > Looks to me like those census problems weren’t mainframe related at all. I > didn’t say enterprises don’t use AZURE or AWS. They do. They just don’t use > them for mission critical, highly sensitive information. If you walk into a > pharmacy for life saving meds, you want 99.999+ up time. You also don’t want > your health records hacked. In fact, most HC companies can get fined 10k per > record compromised. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 1:28 AM, David Crayford > wrote: > > You're conflating enterprise with traditional mainframe customers such > as the finance industry. Apple, BP, Shell, Coca-Cola etc all use AWS, > are they not enterprise customers? As for health care, the UK NHS is a > huge AWS customer. > > The reputation of IBM's cloud (or maybe just IBM) in Australia hasn't > recovered from the 2016 census fiasco [1]. The Australian government no > longer trusts IBM and has moved to AWS [2]. > > You're obviously an IBM fanboy. A lot of what you say is absolute nonsense. > > [1] > https://www.zdnet.com/article/censusfail-an-omnishambles-of-fabulous-proportions/ > [2] > https://www.zdnet.com/article/australian-2021-digital-census-to-be-built-on-aws/ > > > On 2020-10-11 1:39 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: >> You’re comparing 2 entirely different clouds. IBM isn’t in the consumer >> cloud market. There is more money in PC’s than there is in mainframes too! >> And IBM processes 90% of credit card transactions. You were wrong. No >> fortune 100 companies are going to use AZURE or AWS for highly critical, >> highly sensitive information. Consumer clouds are everywhere. It’s becoming >> commoditized. Enterprise cloud will never be commoditized and will remain >> highly profitable. Banks, big retailers, and health care can’t afford the >> hacks and crashes of consumer cloud services. >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> >> On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan wrote: >> >> Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the fact >> remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't >> become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE transaction >> quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000 per day. 112 >> BILLION. That's 16 transactions per day per person on the planet. Be >> serious. That number comes from IBM, was extrapolated by taking their >> largest five customers and multiplying by the number of z/OS systems out >> there. Lies, damned lies, and statistics and all that, eh? >> >> And plenty of real, serious, multi-billion-dollar companies use AWS, Azure, >> and even GCP. >> >> You work for a vendor; you have access to lots of industry knowledge from >> the real world, not SHARE or IBM marketing. Talk to your peers. Learn. The >> truth is out there. >> >> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:57 PM Bill Johnson < >> 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >> >>> I’ve studied them extensively. I’m an investor. So I really don’t need the >>> lecture but I understand that’s what the frequent posters here need to do. >>> Large enterprises aren’t building on AZURE & AWS. Lots of smaller companies >>> are. Because of the costs. AZURE & AWS are on the way to commoditization. >>> Because it’s easy to replicate. In fact, AZURE growth is beginning to slow. >>> Even with the government contract. >>> >>> https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/31/probeat-slowing-aws-microsoft-azure-and-google-cloud-revenue-growth-is-a-good-thing/amp/ >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Friday, October 9, 2020, 6:38 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 < >>> 031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >>> >>> Don't believe whoever told you that about AWS. There are real companies >>> building real enterprise-level applications on AWS today. >>> >>> Pete
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
IBM does indeed process 90% of credit card transactions. Maybe not at POS, but at the backend. (POS- point of sale) Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 11:28 AM, zMan wrote: A fair question. That's based on working with all of the top-ten processors, most or all of whom still use NonStop. Compaq bought Tandem, HP bought Compaq, then when HP split into HP and HPE, the NonStop business went to HPE. Yes, NonStop is way down from its peak. Credit card processing seems to be one of the places where it's remained strong. But it's still serious enough that HP/HPE (not sure which at the time) recently moved the OS from Itanium to x86 hardware, which was surely a big effort. Of course Itanium was going away, but my point is that if there wasn't still a real business there, that would have been an ideal time to kill it. There are NonStop user groups around the world still, and with the pandemic, they're going virtual. If you're interested, check one out. Good folks, talking about stuff every bit as arcane as what we see on this list! An observation: it seems to me that the smaller platforms do better with user groups. I'm guessing this is because if you have, say, a Windows problem, there are millions of other folks with the same problem, so Googling the problem gets you a solution. If you have a problem with something on a less commonly used platform, a user group is a better bet, although of course lists like this one are also great! So that builds more of a sense of community, which lets user groups thrive. Not that there aren't tons of Windows user groups, but from what I've seen they're run by a couple of die-hards and most of the rest don't participate much, don't show up for many meetings, etc. Maybe that's just my experience. On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 10:10 AM R.S. wrote: > W dniu 09.10.2020 o 04:25, zMan pisze: > > Nope, IBM doesn't process 90% of credit card transactions. Most > processors > > are on distributed, with a lot of HPE NonStop in the mix, but also other > > platforms. > > Can you provide any source of this statement? > From my limited knowledge it seems NonStop is declining since it was > merged with Compaq. Or maybe it was merge with HP. > > BTW: Nowadays "distributed" no longer means Sun, HP-UX, or Tandem (not > to mention DEC with Ultrix and VMS). It is just Intel/AMD with Windows > or Linux. And universal solution for any issue is to add more and more > servers. > The only platform which is not in the niche is IBM System p, but even > here AS/400 line is declining, and AIX loses to Linux. > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
A fair question. That's based on working with all of the top-ten processors, most or all of whom still use NonStop. Compaq bought Tandem, HP bought Compaq, then when HP split into HP and HPE, the NonStop business went to HPE. Yes, NonStop is way down from its peak. Credit card processing seems to be one of the places where it's remained strong. But it's still serious enough that HP/HPE (not sure which at the time) recently moved the OS from Itanium to x86 hardware, which was surely a big effort. Of course Itanium was going away, but my point is that if there wasn't still a real business there, that would have been an ideal time to kill it. There are NonStop user groups around the world still, and with the pandemic, they're going virtual. If you're interested, check one out. Good folks, talking about stuff every bit as arcane as what we see on this list! An observation: it seems to me that the smaller platforms do better with user groups. I'm guessing this is because if you have, say, a Windows problem, there are millions of other folks with the same problem, so Googling the problem gets you a solution. If you have a problem with something on a less commonly used platform, a user group is a better bet, although of course lists like this one are also great! So that builds more of a sense of community, which lets user groups thrive. Not that there aren't tons of Windows user groups, but from what I've seen they're run by a couple of die-hards and most of the rest don't participate much, don't show up for many meetings, etc. Maybe that's just my experience. On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 10:10 AM R.S. wrote: > W dniu 09.10.2020 o 04:25, zMan pisze: > > Nope, IBM doesn't process 90% of credit card transactions. Most > processors > > are on distributed, with a lot of HPE NonStop in the mix, but also other > > platforms. > > Can you provide any source of this statement? > From my limited knowledge it seems NonStop is declining since it was > merged with Compaq. Or maybe it was merge with HP. > > BTW: Nowadays "distributed" no longer means Sun, HP-UX, or Tandem (not > to mention DEC with Ultrix and VMS). It is just Intel/AMD with Windows > or Linux. And universal solution for any issue is to add more and more > servers. > The only platform which is not in the niche is IBM System p, but even > here AS/400 line is declining, and AIX loses to Linux. > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: PC market (was IBM splitting into two companies)
On 2020-10-12 00:57, Bill Johnson wrote: So market cap is now the determining factor for the best companies? Here’s the 1980 list of market cap leaders. Had IBM not been forced out of the PC market, I’d bet IBM would still be at or near the top, and MSFT wouldn’t be. "Forced out". I think not. IBM gave up that market. 1980: 1. IBM 2. AT&T 3. Exxon 4. Standard Oil of Indiana 5. Schlumberger 6. Shell Oil 7. Mobil 8. Standard Oil of California 9. Atlantic Richfield 10. GE -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
W dniu 09.10.2020 o 04:25, zMan pisze: Nope, IBM doesn't process 90% of credit card transactions. Most processors are on distributed, with a lot of HPE NonStop in the mix, but also other platforms. Can you provide any source of this statement? From my limited knowledge it seems NonStop is declining since it was merged with Compaq. Or maybe it was merge with HP. BTW: Nowadays "distributed" no longer means Sun, HP-UX, or Tandem (not to mention DEC with Ultrix and VMS). It is just Intel/AMD with Windows or Linux. And universal solution for any issue is to add more and more servers. The only platform which is not in the niche is IBM System p, but even here AS/400 line is declining, and AIX loses to Linux. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169.401.468 as at 1 January 2020. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
So market cap is now the determining factor for the best companies? Here’s the 1980 list of market cap leaders. Had IBM not been forced out of the PC market, I’d bet IBM would still be at or near the top, and MSFT wouldn’t be. 1980: 1. IBM 2. AT&T 3. Exxon 4. Standard Oil of Indiana 5. Schlumberger 6. Shell Oil 7. Mobil 8. Standard Oil of California 9. Atlantic Richfield 10. GE Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 2:21 AM, David Crayford wrote: On 2020-10-11 11:18 AM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: > At my exit interview, my manager asked why I was leaving. I told him I was > going to work for a start-up developing applications for Intel 8080 and Z80 > microcomputers. He said, "you can work out a months notice because I don't > ever see IBM getting into those little systems". If he thought I was going > to a competitor, I would have been walked out on the spot. > > The rest is history, just look at the market cap of Apple versus IBM. Just look at the market cap of Netflix vs IBM! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
To complement: AFAIK it is impossible to sign a contract with "full responsibility" of such cloud provider. In some cases it is required by govt regulators. I heard about fiasco of migration to cloud project just because of that. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 11.10.2020 o 15:41, Bill Johnson pisze: Looks to me like those census problems weren’t mainframe related at all. I didn’t say enterprises don’t use AZURE or AWS. They do. They just don’t use them for mission critical, highly sensitive information. If you walk into a pharmacy for life saving meds, you want 99.999+ up time. You also don’t want your health records hacked. In fact, most HC companies can get fined 10k per record compromised. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 1:28 AM, David Crayford wrote: You're conflating enterprise with traditional mainframe customers such as the finance industry. Apple, BP, Shell, Coca-Cola etc all use AWS, are they not enterprise customers? As for health care, the UK NHS is a huge AWS customer. The reputation of IBM's cloud (or maybe just IBM) in Australia hasn't recovered from the 2016 census fiasco [1]. The Australian government no longer trusts IBM and has moved to AWS [2]. You're obviously an IBM fanboy. A lot of what you say is absolute nonsense. [1] https://www.zdnet.com/article/censusfail-an-omnishambles-of-fabulous-proportions/ [2] https://www.zdnet.com/article/australian-2021-digital-census-to-be-built-on-aws/ On 2020-10-11 1:39 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: You’re comparing 2 entirely different clouds. IBM isn’t in the consumer cloud market. There is more money in PC’s than there is in mainframes too! And IBM processes 90% of credit card transactions. You were wrong. No fortune 100 companies are going to use AZURE or AWS for highly critical, highly sensitive information. Consumer clouds are everywhere. It’s becoming commoditized. Enterprise cloud will never be commoditized and will remain highly profitable. Banks, big retailers, and health care can’t afford the hacks and crashes of consumer cloud services. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan wrote: Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the fact remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE transaction quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000 per day. 112 BILLION. That's 16 transactions per day per person on the planet. Be serious. That number comes from IBM, was extrapolated by taking their largest five customers and multiplying by the number of z/OS systems out there. Lies, damned lies, and statistics and all that, eh? And plenty of real, serious, multi-billion-dollar companies use AWS, Azure, and even GCP. You work for a vendor; you have access to lots of industry knowledge from the real world, not SHARE or IBM marketing. Talk to your peers. Learn. The truth is out there. On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:57 PM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: I’ve studied them extensively. I’m an investor. So I really don’t need the lecture but I understand that’s what the frequent posters here need to do. Large enterprises aren’t building on AZURE & AWS. Lots of smaller companies are. Because of the costs. AZURE & AWS are on the way to commoditization. Because it’s easy to replicate. In fact, AZURE growth is beginning to slow. Even with the government contract. https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/31/probeat-slowing-aws-microsoft-azure-and-google-cloud-revenue-growth-is-a-good-thing/amp/ Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, October 9, 2020, 6:38 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 < 031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Don't believe whoever told you that about AWS. There are real companies building real enterprise-level applications on AWS today. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 7:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies 2 completely different markets. AZURE & AWS are consumer market clouds. IBM is enterprise. On Friday, October 9, 2020, 5:28 AM, zMan wrote: Actually, Bill, it's pretty clear that you didn't read the report. It's at https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://kinsta.com/blog/cloud-market-share/__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!bkn5Ica_-GSgVSVMQhoO-ZwjnqBMD632lXyTKAVvTtc_OWH8fyBG3CcIrbtSWqbpWZCJsA$ and lists the top 5 vendors, comprising more than half the market, and then notes that the next ten players--of whom IBM is one--"account for another 26% of the SaaS market". So IBM has a couple of percent; as I said, that's a joke. Not a major player. On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 10:04 PM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@l
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
Who said it has anything to do with the mainframe? The point was that IBM's cloud is not great. Mainframes don't, wont and never will have a role in public clouds. They are for running legacy applications. Maybe hybrid clouds may adopt some z? I certainly hope so. Anything that modernizes the platform to give it more life is a good thing for all of us. And I would love to know what pharmacy has 99.999+ uptime? Do they typically run a UPS and generators in case of a power cut? What about network redundancy and other fail-overs in the store? On 2020-10-11 9:41 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: Looks to me like those census problems weren’t mainframe related at all. I didn’t say enterprises don’t use AZURE or AWS. They do. They just don’t use them for mission critical, highly sensitive information. If you walk into a pharmacy for life saving meds, you want 99.999+ up time. You also don’t want your health records hacked. In fact, most HC companies can get fined 10k per record compromised. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 1:28 AM, David Crayford wrote: You're conflating enterprise with traditional mainframe customers such as the finance industry. Apple, BP, Shell, Coca-Cola etc all use AWS, are they not enterprise customers? As for health care, the UK NHS is a huge AWS customer. The reputation of IBM's cloud (or maybe just IBM) in Australia hasn't recovered from the 2016 census fiasco [1]. The Australian government no longer trusts IBM and has moved to AWS [2]. You're obviously an IBM fanboy. A lot of what you say is absolute nonsense. [1] https://www.zdnet.com/article/censusfail-an-omnishambles-of-fabulous-proportions/ [2] https://www.zdnet.com/article/australian-2021-digital-census-to-be-built-on-aws/ On 2020-10-11 1:39 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: You’re comparing 2 entirely different clouds. IBM isn’t in the consumer cloud market. There is more money in PC’s than there is in mainframes too! And IBM processes 90% of credit card transactions. You were wrong. No fortune 100 companies are going to use AZURE or AWS for highly critical, highly sensitive information. Consumer clouds are everywhere. It’s becoming commoditized. Enterprise cloud will never be commoditized and will remain highly profitable. Banks, big retailers, and health care can’t afford the hacks and crashes of consumer cloud services. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan wrote: Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the fact remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE transaction quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000 per day. 112 BILLION. That's 16 transactions per day per person on the planet. Be serious. That number comes from IBM, was extrapolated by taking their largest five customers and multiplying by the number of z/OS systems out there. Lies, damned lies, and statistics and all that, eh? And plenty of real, serious, multi-billion-dollar companies use AWS, Azure, and even GCP. You work for a vendor; you have access to lots of industry knowledge from the real world, not SHARE or IBM marketing. Talk to your peers. Learn. The truth is out there. On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:57 PM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: I’ve studied them extensively. I’m an investor. So I really don’t need the lecture but I understand that’s what the frequent posters here need to do. Large enterprises aren’t building on AZURE & AWS. Lots of smaller companies are. Because of the costs. AZURE & AWS are on the way to commoditization. Because it’s easy to replicate. In fact, AZURE growth is beginning to slow. Even with the government contract. https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/31/probeat-slowing-aws-microsoft-azure-and-google-cloud-revenue-growth-is-a-good-thing/amp/ Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, October 9, 2020, 6:38 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 < 031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Don't believe whoever told you that about AWS. There are real companies building real enterprise-level applications on AWS today. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 7:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies 2 completely different markets. AZURE & AWS are consumer market clouds. IBM is enterprise. On Friday, October 9, 2020, 5:28 AM, zMan wrote: Actually, Bill, it's pretty clear that you didn't read the report. It's at https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://kinsta.com/blog/cloud-market-share/__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!bkn5Ica_-GSgVSVMQhoO-ZwjnqBMD632lXyTKAVvTtc_OWH8fyBG3CcIrbtSWqbpWZCJsA$ and lists the top 5 vendors, comprising more than half the market, and
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
IBM patents are mostly pathetic. They patent stuff like "how to create a railroad diagram using REXX . It's embarrassing! The likes of Google, Facebook and even the new Microsoft open source all of their code so everybody can use it for free. Software patents are nothing more then bargaining chips. Google doesn't care about who has access to their code. They give it away for free. On 2020-10-11 9:31 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: IBM, as usual, almost always leads the US in patents. This year is no exception. Which indicates how intelligent their engineers are. IBM laid the groundwork for much of today’s IT. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 1:43 AM, zMan wrote: Well, big companies ARE using AWS, GCP, and Azure for critical information. We deal with them every day. And for the record, I'm hardly an IBM or mainframe basher. I just call out BS when I see it, like that 1.3M/second. Which you have not responded to. It was IBM who said they came up with that by taking their largest customers and extrapolating. Using that methodology, every car is good for 2M miles and gets 80MPG. Oh, and we're all billionaires. See how bad that approach is? Now, if the $6B is true, that's fascinating. It still doesn't explain why the dozens of large mainframe shops we work with NEVER mention IBM when they talk cloud. Maybe IBM has a few really big clients (.gov)? I don't know. Back to processing credit card transactions--again, processors don't use z. (Well, I can think of a couple that do, but by and large, they don't.) You're confusing processors, acquirers, issuers, and brands. Those are different. On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 2:27 PM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: 6 billion in cloud revenue latest quarter. About half of AZURE. Looks bigger than 2% to me. https://cloudwars.co/cloud-wars-top-10-vendors-world/ Read up. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan wrote: Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the fact remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE transaction quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000 per day. 112 BILLION. That's 16 transactions per day per person on the planet. Be serious. That number comes from IBM, was extrapolated by taking their largest five customers and multiplying by the number of z/OS systems out there. Lies, damned lies, and statistics and all that, eh? And plenty of real, serious, multi-billion-dollar companies use AWS, Azure, and even GCP. You work for a vendor; you have access to lots of industry knowledge from the real world, not SHARE or IBM marketing. Talk to your peers. Learn. The truth is out there. On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:57 PM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: I’ve studied them extensively. I’m an investor. So I really don’t need the lecture but I understand that’s what the frequent posters here need to do. Large enterprises aren’t building on AZURE & AWS. Lots of smaller companies are. Because of the costs. AZURE & AWS are on the way to commoditization. Because it’s easy to replicate. In fact, AZURE growth is beginning to slow. Even with the government contract. https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/31/probeat-slowing-aws-microsoft-azure-and-google-cloud-revenue-growth-is-a-good-thing/amp/ Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, October 9, 2020, 6:38 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 < 031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Don't believe whoever told you that about AWS. There are real companies building real enterprise-level applications on AWS today. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 7:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies 2 completely different markets. AZURE & AWS are consumer market clouds. IBM is enterprise. On Friday, October 9, 2020, 5:28 AM, zMan wrote: Actually, Bill, it's pretty clear that you didn't read the report. It's at https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://kinsta.com/blog/cloud-market-share/__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!bkn5Ica_-GSgVSVMQhoO-ZwjnqBMD632lXyTKAVvTtc_OWH8fyBG3CcIrbtSWqbpWZCJsA$ and lists the top 5 vendors, comprising more than half the market, and then notes that the next ten players--of whom IBM is one--"account for another 26% of the SaaS market". So IBM has a couple of percent; as I said, that's a joke. Not a major player. On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 10:04 PM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Anyone who says IBM cloud is a joke isn’t well informed. Cloud Market Share – a Look at the Cloud Ecosystem in 2020 | | | | |
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Looks to me like those census problems weren’t mainframe related at all. I didn’t say enterprises don’t use AZURE or AWS. They do. They just don’t use them for mission critical, highly sensitive information. If you walk into a pharmacy for life saving meds, you want 99.999+ up time. You also don’t want your health records hacked. In fact, most HC companies can get fined 10k per record compromised. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 1:28 AM, David Crayford wrote: You're conflating enterprise with traditional mainframe customers such as the finance industry. Apple, BP, Shell, Coca-Cola etc all use AWS, are they not enterprise customers? As for health care, the UK NHS is a huge AWS customer. The reputation of IBM's cloud (or maybe just IBM) in Australia hasn't recovered from the 2016 census fiasco [1]. The Australian government no longer trusts IBM and has moved to AWS [2]. You're obviously an IBM fanboy. A lot of what you say is absolute nonsense. [1] https://www.zdnet.com/article/censusfail-an-omnishambles-of-fabulous-proportions/ [2] https://www.zdnet.com/article/australian-2021-digital-census-to-be-built-on-aws/ On 2020-10-11 1:39 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: > You’re comparing 2 entirely different clouds. IBM isn’t in the consumer cloud > market. There is more money in PC’s than there is in mainframes too! And IBM > processes 90% of credit card transactions. You were wrong. No fortune 100 > companies are going to use AZURE or AWS for highly critical, highly sensitive > information. Consumer clouds are everywhere. It’s becoming commoditized. > Enterprise cloud will never be commoditized and will remain highly > profitable. Banks, big retailers, and health care can’t afford the hacks and > crashes of consumer cloud services. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan wrote: > > Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the fact > remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't > become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE transaction > quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000 per day. 112 > BILLION. That's 16 transactions per day per person on the planet. Be > serious. That number comes from IBM, was extrapolated by taking their > largest five customers and multiplying by the number of z/OS systems out > there. Lies, damned lies, and statistics and all that, eh? > > And plenty of real, serious, multi-billion-dollar companies use AWS, Azure, > and even GCP. > > You work for a vendor; you have access to lots of industry knowledge from > the real world, not SHARE or IBM marketing. Talk to your peers. Learn. The > truth is out there. > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:57 PM Bill Johnson < > 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >> I’ve studied them extensively. I’m an investor. So I really don’t need the >> lecture but I understand that’s what the frequent posters here need to do. >> Large enterprises aren’t building on AZURE & AWS. Lots of smaller companies >> are. Because of the costs. AZURE & AWS are on the way to commoditization. >> Because it’s easy to replicate. In fact, AZURE growth is beginning to slow. >> Even with the government contract. >> >> https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/31/probeat-slowing-aws-microsoft-azure-and-google-cloud-revenue-growth-is-a-good-thing/amp/ >> >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> >> On Friday, October 9, 2020, 6:38 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 < >> 031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >> >> Don't believe whoever told you that about AWS. There are real companies >> building real enterprise-level applications on AWS today. >> >> Peter >> >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf >> Of Bill Johnson >> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 7:53 AM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies >> >> 2 completely different markets. AZURE & AWS are consumer market clouds. >> IBM is enterprise. >> >> >> On Friday, October 9, 2020, 5:28 AM, zMan wrote: >> >> Actually, Bill, it's pretty clear that you didn't read the report. It's at >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://kinsta.com/blog/cloud-market-share/__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!bkn5Ica_-GSgVSVMQhoO-ZwjnqBMD632lXyTKAVvTtc_OWH8fyBG3CcIrbtSWqbpWZCJsA$ >> and lists the top 5 vendors, comprising more than half the market, and then >> notes that the next ten players--of whom IBM is one--"account for another >> 26% of the SaaS m
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Bingo. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 1:10 AM, Mike Hochee wrote: Over the last few years I have hoped IBM would become more of a cloud player and attempt to marry some of the long-standing and well established zEnterprise strengths; security, reliability, extensibility, performance, etc., with what I always perceived to be an inherently less secure cloud and web services environment. I thought there was significant opportunity for a complement, where zEnterprise strengths could be leveraged by the needs of cloud and web service processing, and this would likely be workload dependent. To be sure, there are undoubtedly many cloud based apps that have no need of, nor business requirements for, zEnterprise integrity attributes, and a census might well be one of them. Cloud computing has come a long way over the past 10+ years, but I still don't want my personal financial data and current card transactions residing on a public cloud (encrypted or not). I have read too many articles which in general testify to the insecurity of data in the cloud. Hybrid and private clouds might be another matter, and this is where I thought the advantages of zEnterprise could potentially be a value add to cloud service providers with customers that expect (demand) a higher level of security and processing integrity. I suspect the splitting of IBM will only make the communication needed for any synergy between the hallmarks of traditional mainframe computing and cloud computing more difficult. In the meantime profit motive will continue to compromise the decisions of executives the world over and result in more and more insecure hosting of their customer's personal and financial data. I wonder what if anything Arvind Krishna thinks about z/OS? A very bold move by someone only six months on the job. My nickel's worth. Mike -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 11:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies Caution! This message was sent from outside your organization. You're conflating enterprise with traditional mainframe customers such as the finance industry. Apple, BP, Shell, Coca-Cola etc all use AWS, are they not enterprise customers? As for health care, the UK NHS is a huge AWS customer. The reputation of IBM's cloud (or maybe just IBM) in Australia hasn't recovered from the 2016 census fiasco [1]. The Australian government no longer trusts IBM and has moved to AWS [2]. You're obviously an IBM fanboy. A lot of what you say is absolute nonsense. [1] https://www.zdnet.com/article/censusfail-an-omnishambles-of-fabulous-proportions/ [2] https://www.zdnet.com/article/australian-2021-digital-census-to-be-built-on-aws/ On 2020-10-11 1:39 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: > You’re comparing 2 entirely different clouds. IBM isn’t in the consumer cloud > market. There is more money in PC’s than there is in mainframes too! And IBM > processes 90% of credit card transactions. You were wrong. No fortune 100 > companies are going to use AZURE or AWS for highly critical, highly sensitive > information. Consumer clouds are everywhere. It’s becoming commoditized. > Enterprise cloud will never be commoditized and will remain highly > profitable. Banks, big retailers, and health care can’t afford the hacks and > crashes of consumer cloud services. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan wrote: > > Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the > fact > remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't > become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE > transaction quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000 > per day. 112 BILLION. That's 16 transactions per day per person on the > planet. Be serious. That number comes from IBM, was extrapolated by > taking their largest five customers and multiplying by the number of > z/OS systems out there. Lies, damned lies, and statistics and all that, eh? > > And plenty of real, serious, multi-billion-dollar companies use AWS, > Azure, and even GCP. > > You work for a vendor; you have access to lots of industry knowledge > from the real world, not SHARE or IBM marketing. Talk to your peers. > Learn. The truth is out there. > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:57 PM Bill Johnson < > 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >> I’ve studied them extensively. I’m an investor. So I really don’t >> need the lecture but I understand that’s what the frequent posters here need >> to do. >> Large enterprises aren’t building on AZURE & AWS. Lots
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IBM, as usual, almost always leads the US in patents. This year is no exception. Which indicates how intelligent their engineers are. IBM laid the groundwork for much of today’s IT. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 1:43 AM, zMan wrote: Well, big companies ARE using AWS, GCP, and Azure for critical information. We deal with them every day. And for the record, I'm hardly an IBM or mainframe basher. I just call out BS when I see it, like that 1.3M/second. Which you have not responded to. It was IBM who said they came up with that by taking their largest customers and extrapolating. Using that methodology, every car is good for 2M miles and gets 80MPG. Oh, and we're all billionaires. See how bad that approach is? Now, if the $6B is true, that's fascinating. It still doesn't explain why the dozens of large mainframe shops we work with NEVER mention IBM when they talk cloud. Maybe IBM has a few really big clients (.gov)? I don't know. Back to processing credit card transactions--again, processors don't use z. (Well, I can think of a couple that do, but by and large, they don't.) You're confusing processors, acquirers, issuers, and brands. Those are different. On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 2:27 PM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > 6 billion in cloud revenue latest quarter. About half of AZURE. Looks > bigger than 2% to me. > https://cloudwars.co/cloud-wars-top-10-vendors-world/ > Read up. > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan > wrote: > > Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the fact > remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't > become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE transaction > quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000 per day. 112 > BILLION. That's 16 transactions per day per person on the planet. Be > serious. That number comes from IBM, was extrapolated by taking their > largest five customers and multiplying by the number of z/OS systems out > there. Lies, damned lies, and statistics and all that, eh? > > And plenty of real, serious, multi-billion-dollar companies use AWS, Azure, > and even GCP. > > You work for a vendor; you have access to lots of industry knowledge from > the real world, not SHARE or IBM marketing. Talk to your peers. Learn. The > truth is out there. > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:57 PM Bill Johnson < > 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > I’ve studied them extensively. I’m an investor. So I really don’t need > the > > lecture but I understand that’s what the frequent posters here need to > do. > > Large enterprises aren’t building on AZURE & AWS. Lots of smaller > companies > > are. Because of the costs. AZURE & AWS are on the way to commoditization. > > Because it’s easy to replicate. In fact, AZURE growth is beginning to > slow. > > Even with the government contract. > > > > > https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/31/probeat-slowing-aws-microsoft-azure-and-google-cloud-revenue-growth-is-a-good-thing/amp/ > > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > On Friday, October 9, 2020, 6:38 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 < > > 031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > Don't believe whoever told you that about AWS. There are real companies > > building real enterprise-level applications on AWS today. > > > > Peter > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > > Of Bill Johnson > > Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 7:53 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies > > > > 2 completely different markets. AZURE & AWS are consumer market clouds. > > IBM is enterprise. > > > > > > On Friday, October 9, 2020, 5:28 AM, zMan > wrote: > > > > Actually, Bill, it's pretty clear that you didn't read the report. It's > at > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://kinsta.com/blog/cloud-market-share/__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!bkn5Ica_-GSgVSVMQhoO-ZwjnqBMD632lXyTKAVvTtc_OWH8fyBG3CcIrbtSWqbpWZCJsA$ > > and lists the top 5 vendors, comprising more than half the market, and > then > > notes that the next ten players--of whom IBM is one--"account for another > > 26% of the SaaS market". > > So IBM has a couple of percent; as I said, that's a joke. Not a major > > player. > > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 10:04 PM Bill Johnson < > > 004
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I buy stuff on Amazon, use Apple wallet and Paypal so I guess my personal financial data is already on the cloud. I won't be losing any sleep about that and have no plans to go back to using cash or shopping exclusively in stores. On 2020-10-11 1:10 PM, Mike Hochee wrote: Over the last few years I have hoped IBM would become more of a cloud player and attempt to marry some of the long-standing and well established zEnterprise strengths; security, reliability, extensibility, performance, etc., with what I always perceived to be an inherently less secure cloud and web services environment. I thought there was significant opportunity for a complement, where zEnterprise strengths could be leveraged by the needs of cloud and web service processing, and this would likely be workload dependent. To be sure, there are undoubtedly many cloud based apps that have no need of, nor business requirements for, zEnterprise integrity attributes, and a census might well be one of them. Cloud computing has come a long way over the past 10+ years, but I still don't want my personal financial data and current card transactions residing on a public cloud (encrypted or not). I have read too many articles which in general testify to the insecurity of data in the cloud. Hybrid and private clouds might be another matter, and this is where I thought the advantages of zEnterprise could potentially be a value add to cloud service providers with customers that expect (demand) a higher level of security and processing integrity. I suspect the splitting of IBM will only make the communication needed for any synergy between the hallmarks of traditional mainframe computing and cloud computing more difficult. In the meantime profit motive will continue to compromise the decisions of executives the world over and result in more and more insecure hosting of their customer's personal and financial data. I wonder what if anything Arvind Krishna thinks about z/OS? A very bold move by someone only six months on the job. My nickel's worth. Mike -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 11:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies Caution! This message was sent from outside your organization. You're conflating enterprise with traditional mainframe customers such as the finance industry. Apple, BP, Shell, Coca-Cola etc all use AWS, are they not enterprise customers? As for health care, the UK NHS is a huge AWS customer. The reputation of IBM's cloud (or maybe just IBM) in Australia hasn't recovered from the 2016 census fiasco [1]. The Australian government no longer trusts IBM and has moved to AWS [2]. You're obviously an IBM fanboy. A lot of what you say is absolute nonsense. [1] https://www.zdnet.com/article/censusfail-an-omnishambles-of-fabulous-proportions/ [2] https://www.zdnet.com/article/australian-2021-digital-census-to-be-built-on-aws/ On 2020-10-11 1:39 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: You’re comparing 2 entirely different clouds. IBM isn’t in the consumer cloud market. There is more money in PC’s than there is in mainframes too! And IBM processes 90% of credit card transactions. You were wrong. No fortune 100 companies are going to use AZURE or AWS for highly critical, highly sensitive information. Consumer clouds are everywhere. It’s becoming commoditized. Enterprise cloud will never be commoditized and will remain highly profitable. Banks, big retailers, and health care can’t afford the hacks and crashes of consumer cloud services. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan wrote: Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the fact remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE transaction quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000 per day. 112 BILLION. That's 16 transactions per day per person on the planet. Be serious. That number comes from IBM, was extrapolated by taking their largest five customers and multiplying by the number of z/OS systems out there. Lies, damned lies, and statistics and all that, eh? And plenty of real, serious, multi-billion-dollar companies use AWS, Azure, and even GCP. You work for a vendor; you have access to lots of industry knowledge from the real world, not SHARE or IBM marketing. Talk to your peers. Learn. The truth is out there. On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:57 PM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: I’ve studied them extensively. I’m an investor. So I really don’t need the lecture but I understand that’s what the frequent posters here need to do. Large enterprises aren’t building on AZURE & AWS. Lots of smaller companies are. Because of t
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IBM would be in the discussion for massive market cap today if not for the government forcing them out of the PC market. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 1:48 AM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: At 6.5%, the iPhone maker’s share in the S&P 500 just surpassed the record 6.4% that IBM held 35 years ago, data compiled by S&P Dow Jones Indices and Bloomberg show. Apple’s overall market cap stands at $1.875 trillion, about 7% away from $2 trillion. The breakthrough speaks to the strength of a company that few can match in a year when Covid-19 is raging. Up 49% this year, Apple’s gain beats all U.S. companies with a market value above $300 billion, except for Amazon.com Inc. The share rally has picked up after the company’s quarterly revenue crushed Wall Street forecasts, boosted by demand from locked down consumers for new iPhones, iPads and Mac computers to stay connected during the pandemic. On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 2:18 PM Wayne Bickerdike wrote: > Hi Charles, > > GBG was general business group. DP was Data Processing. > > GBG sold Series 1, photocopiers and typewriters, System 34 (back in 1978 > when I was there). > > DP sold mainframes and believed that they ruled. So when a salesman went > to an account, mainframe was always sold above anything else. > > At the time, we in GBG were hoping that the anti-trust ruling would be to > split IBM. It didn't happen. Around that time, Wozniak and Jobs were > building the first Apples, Silicon Valley was taking off and IBM were in a > deep sleep. > > At my exit interview, my manager asked why I was leaving. I told him I was > going to work for a start-up developing applications for Intel 8080 and Z80 > microcomputers. He said, "you can work out a months notice because I don't > ever see IBM getting into those little systems". If he thought I was going > to a competitor, I would have been walked out on the spot. > > The rest is history, just look at the market cap of Apple versus IBM. > > It's the vision thing! LOL. > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 9:07 AM Charles Mills wrote: > >> TMA >> >> Too many acronyms. >> >> What is GBG? What is DP? >> >> I know RBG. >> >> Charles >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On >> Behalf Of Wayne Bickerdike >> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 2:38 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies >> >> Global services was a poor place for "IBM" employees. They weren't the >> same as the IBMers in terms of benefits. This has been the trend at IBM >> for years. I was an IBMer in the 70s and we hoped that the antitrust cases >> would lead to a split so that GBG would separate from DP. It didn't happen >> and Windows are their lunch. DXC will be rubbing their hands. >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > > > -- > Wayne V. Bickerdike > > -- Wayne V. Bickerdike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I get it. IBM says something, its a lie. AZURE/AWS says it, it’s gospel. Thanks for clearing that up. Give me an example of a company using AZURE/AWS cloud for mission critical, highly sensitive information? Then Google all the hacks and crashes of those 2 cloud platforms. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 1:43 AM, zMan wrote: Well, big companies ARE using AWS, GCP, and Azure for critical information. We deal with them every day. And for the record, I'm hardly an IBM or mainframe basher. I just call out BS when I see it, like that 1.3M/second. Which you have not responded to. It was IBM who said they came up with that by taking their largest customers and extrapolating. Using that methodology, every car is good for 2M miles and gets 80MPG. Oh, and we're all billionaires. See how bad that approach is? Now, if the $6B is true, that's fascinating. It still doesn't explain why the dozens of large mainframe shops we work with NEVER mention IBM when they talk cloud. Maybe IBM has a few really big clients (.gov)? I don't know. Back to processing credit card transactions--again, processors don't use z. (Well, I can think of a couple that do, but by and large, they don't.) You're confusing processors, acquirers, issuers, and brands. Those are different. On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 2:27 PM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > 6 billion in cloud revenue latest quarter. About half of AZURE. Looks > bigger than 2% to me. > https://cloudwars.co/cloud-wars-top-10-vendors-world/ > Read up. > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan > wrote: > > Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the fact > remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't > become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE transaction > quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000 per day. 112 > BILLION. That's 16 transactions per day per person on the planet. Be > serious. That number comes from IBM, was extrapolated by taking their > largest five customers and multiplying by the number of z/OS systems out > there. Lies, damned lies, and statistics and all that, eh? > > And plenty of real, serious, multi-billion-dollar companies use AWS, Azure, > and even GCP. > > You work for a vendor; you have access to lots of industry knowledge from > the real world, not SHARE or IBM marketing. Talk to your peers. Learn. The > truth is out there. > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:57 PM Bill Johnson < > 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > I’ve studied them extensively. I’m an investor. So I really don’t need > the > > lecture but I understand that’s what the frequent posters here need to > do. > > Large enterprises aren’t building on AZURE & AWS. Lots of smaller > companies > > are. Because of the costs. AZURE & AWS are on the way to commoditization. > > Because it’s easy to replicate. In fact, AZURE growth is beginning to > slow. > > Even with the government contract. > > > > > https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/31/probeat-slowing-aws-microsoft-azure-and-google-cloud-revenue-growth-is-a-good-thing/amp/ > > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > On Friday, October 9, 2020, 6:38 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 < > > 031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > Don't believe whoever told you that about AWS. There are real companies > > building real enterprise-level applications on AWS today. > > > > Peter > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > > Of Bill Johnson > > Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 7:53 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies > > > > 2 completely different markets. AZURE & AWS are consumer market clouds. > > IBM is enterprise. > > > > > > On Friday, October 9, 2020, 5:28 AM, zMan > wrote: > > > > Actually, Bill, it's pretty clear that you didn't read the report. It's > at > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://kinsta.com/blog/cloud-market-share/__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!bkn5Ica_-GSgVSVMQhoO-ZwjnqBMD632lXyTKAVvTtc_OWH8fyBG3CcIrbtSWqbpWZCJsA$ > > and lists the top 5 vendors, comprising more than half the market, and > then > > notes that the next ten players--of whom IBM is one--"account for another > > 26% of the SaaS market". > > So IBM has a couple of percent; as I said, that's a joke. Not a major > > player. > > &
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On 2020-10-11 11:18 AM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: At my exit interview, my manager asked why I was leaving. I told him I was going to work for a start-up developing applications for Intel 8080 and Z80 microcomputers. He said, "you can work out a months notice because I don't ever see IBM getting into those little systems". If he thought I was going to a competitor, I would have been walked out on the spot. The rest is history, just look at the market cap of Apple versus IBM. Just look at the market cap of Netflix vs IBM! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Over the last few years I have hoped IBM would become more of a cloud player and attempt to marry some of the long-standing and well established zEnterprise strengths; security, reliability, extensibility, performance, etc., with what I always perceived to be an inherently less secure cloud and web services environment. I thought there was significant opportunity for a complement, where zEnterprise strengths could be leveraged by the needs of cloud and web service processing, and this would likely be workload dependent. To be sure, there are undoubtedly many cloud based apps that have no need of, nor business requirements for, zEnterprise integrity attributes, and a census might well be one of them. Cloud computing has come a long way over the past 10+ years, but I still don't want my personal financial data and current card transactions residing on a public cloud (encrypted or not). I have read too many articles which in general testify to the insecurity of data in the cloud. Hybrid and private clouds might be another matter, and this is where I thought the advantages of zEnterprise could potentially be a value add to cloud service providers with customers that expect (demand) a higher level of security and processing integrity. I suspect the splitting of IBM will only make the communication needed for any synergy between the hallmarks of traditional mainframe computing and cloud computing more difficult. In the meantime profit motive will continue to compromise the decisions of executives the world over and result in more and more insecure hosting of their customer's personal and financial data. I wonder what if anything Arvind Krishna thinks about z/OS? A very bold move by someone only six months on the job. My nickel's worth. Mike -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 11:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies Caution! This message was sent from outside your organization. You're conflating enterprise with traditional mainframe customers such as the finance industry. Apple, BP, Shell, Coca-Cola etc all use AWS, are they not enterprise customers? As for health care, the UK NHS is a huge AWS customer. The reputation of IBM's cloud (or maybe just IBM) in Australia hasn't recovered from the 2016 census fiasco [1]. The Australian government no longer trusts IBM and has moved to AWS [2]. You're obviously an IBM fanboy. A lot of what you say is absolute nonsense. [1] https://www.zdnet.com/article/censusfail-an-omnishambles-of-fabulous-proportions/ [2] https://www.zdnet.com/article/australian-2021-digital-census-to-be-built-on-aws/ On 2020-10-11 1:39 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: > You’re comparing 2 entirely different clouds. IBM isn’t in the consumer cloud > market. There is more money in PC’s than there is in mainframes too! And IBM > processes 90% of credit card transactions. You were wrong. No fortune 100 > companies are going to use AZURE or AWS for highly critical, highly sensitive > information. Consumer clouds are everywhere. It’s becoming commoditized. > Enterprise cloud will never be commoditized and will remain highly > profitable. Banks, big retailers, and health care can’t afford the hacks and > crashes of consumer cloud services. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan wrote: > > Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the > fact > remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't > become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE > transaction quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000 > per day. 112 BILLION. That's 16 transactions per day per person on the > planet. Be serious. That number comes from IBM, was extrapolated by > taking their largest five customers and multiplying by the number of > z/OS systems out there. Lies, damned lies, and statistics and all that, eh? > > And plenty of real, serious, multi-billion-dollar companies use AWS, > Azure, and even GCP. > > You work for a vendor; you have access to lots of industry knowledge > from the real world, not SHARE or IBM marketing. Talk to your peers. > Learn. The truth is out there. > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:57 PM Bill Johnson < > 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >> I’ve studied them extensively. I’m an investor. So I really don’t >> need the lecture but I understand that’s what the frequent posters here need >> to do. >> Large enterprises aren’t building on AZURE & AWS. Lots of smaller >> companies are. Because of the costs. AZURE & AWS are on the way to >>
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I recall Series/1 as being from GSD, the General Systems Division; mainframes from the Data Processing Division (and FSD, the Federal Systems Division), and typewriters from Office Products Division. Yes, DPD folks were the king of the hill; called Office Products (OPD) salesmen "opie-dopies." Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Wayne Bickerdike Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 8:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies Hi Charles, GBG was general business group. DP was Data Processing. GBG sold Series 1, photocopiers and typewriters, System 34 (back in 1978 when I was there). DP sold mainframes and believed that they ruled. So when a salesman went to an account, mainframe was always sold above anything else. At the time, we in GBG were hoping that the anti-trust ruling would be to split IBM. It didn't happen. Around that time, Wozniak and Jobs were building the first Apples, Silicon Valley was taking off and IBM were in a deep sleep. At my exit interview, my manager asked why I was leaving. I told him I was going to work for a start-up developing applications for Intel 8080 and Z80 microcomputers. He said, "you can work out a months notice because I don't ever see IBM getting into those little systems". If he thought I was going to a competitor, I would have been walked out on the spot. The rest is history, just look at the market cap of Apple versus IBM. It's the vision thing! LOL. On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 9:07 AM Charles Mills wrote: > TMA > > Too many acronyms. > > What is GBG? What is DP? > > I know RBG. > > Charles > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Wayne Bickerdike > Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 2:38 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies > > Global services was a poor place for "IBM" employees. They weren't the > same as the IBMers in terms of benefits. This has been the trend at IBM > for years. I was an IBMer in the 70s and we hoped that the antitrust cases > would lead to a split so that GBG would separate from DP. It didn't happen > and Windows are their lunch. DXC will be rubbing their hands. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Wayne V. Bickerdike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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You're conflating enterprise with traditional mainframe customers such as the finance industry. Apple, BP, Shell, Coca-Cola etc all use AWS, are they not enterprise customers? As for health care, the UK NHS is a huge AWS customer. The reputation of IBM's cloud (or maybe just IBM) in Australia hasn't recovered from the 2016 census fiasco [1]. The Australian government no longer trusts IBM and has moved to AWS [2]. You're obviously an IBM fanboy. A lot of what you say is absolute nonsense. [1] https://www.zdnet.com/article/censusfail-an-omnishambles-of-fabulous-proportions/ [2] https://www.zdnet.com/article/australian-2021-digital-census-to-be-built-on-aws/ On 2020-10-11 1:39 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: You’re comparing 2 entirely different clouds. IBM isn’t in the consumer cloud market. There is more money in PC’s than there is in mainframes too! And IBM processes 90% of credit card transactions. You were wrong. No fortune 100 companies are going to use AZURE or AWS for highly critical, highly sensitive information. Consumer clouds are everywhere. It’s becoming commoditized. Enterprise cloud will never be commoditized and will remain highly profitable. Banks, big retailers, and health care can’t afford the hacks and crashes of consumer cloud services. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan wrote: Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the fact remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE transaction quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000 per day. 112 BILLION. That's 16 transactions per day per person on the planet. Be serious. That number comes from IBM, was extrapolated by taking their largest five customers and multiplying by the number of z/OS systems out there. Lies, damned lies, and statistics and all that, eh? And plenty of real, serious, multi-billion-dollar companies use AWS, Azure, and even GCP. You work for a vendor; you have access to lots of industry knowledge from the real world, not SHARE or IBM marketing. Talk to your peers. Learn. The truth is out there. On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:57 PM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: I’ve studied them extensively. I’m an investor. So I really don’t need the lecture but I understand that’s what the frequent posters here need to do. Large enterprises aren’t building on AZURE & AWS. Lots of smaller companies are. Because of the costs. AZURE & AWS are on the way to commoditization. Because it’s easy to replicate. In fact, AZURE growth is beginning to slow. Even with the government contract. https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/31/probeat-slowing-aws-microsoft-azure-and-google-cloud-revenue-growth-is-a-good-thing/amp/ Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, October 9, 2020, 6:38 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 < 031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Don't believe whoever told you that about AWS. There are real companies building real enterprise-level applications on AWS today. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 7:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies 2 completely different markets. AZURE & AWS are consumer market clouds. IBM is enterprise. On Friday, October 9, 2020, 5:28 AM, zMan wrote: Actually, Bill, it's pretty clear that you didn't read the report. It's at https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://kinsta.com/blog/cloud-market-share/__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!bkn5Ica_-GSgVSVMQhoO-ZwjnqBMD632lXyTKAVvTtc_OWH8fyBG3CcIrbtSWqbpWZCJsA$ and lists the top 5 vendors, comprising more than half the market, and then notes that the next ten players--of whom IBM is one--"account for another 26% of the SaaS market". So IBM has a couple of percent; as I said, that's a joke. Not a major player. On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 10:04 PM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Anyone who says IBM cloud is a joke isn’t well informed. Cloud Market Share – a Look at the Cloud Ecosystem in 2020 | | | | | | | | | | | Cloud Market Share – a Look at the Cloud Ecosystem in 2020 Deep dive into the Cloud Market Share with tons of data and stats compared to explain the different cloud services and identify the leading cloud providers. | | | | Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, October 8, 2020, 3:41 PM, zMan wrote: "IBM cloud" is a joke. When anyone talks about cloud, it's AWS, Azure, maybe GCP. NEVER EVER ONCE IBM. On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 12:24 PM Allan Staller wrote: Classification: HCL Internal Don't know anything about this directly, but It actually might help the "traditional" portfolio
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At 6.5%, the iPhone maker’s share in the S&P 500 just surpassed the record 6.4% that IBM held 35 years ago, data compiled by S&P Dow Jones Indices and Bloomberg show. Apple’s overall market cap stands at $1.875 trillion, about 7% away from $2 trillion. The breakthrough speaks to the strength of a company that few can match in a year when Covid-19 is raging. Up 49% this year, Apple’s gain beats all U.S. companies with a market value above $300 billion, except for Amazon.com Inc. The share rally has picked up after the company’s quarterly revenue crushed Wall Street forecasts, boosted by demand from locked down consumers for new iPhones, iPads and Mac computers to stay connected during the pandemic. On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 2:18 PM Wayne Bickerdike wrote: > Hi Charles, > > GBG was general business group. DP was Data Processing. > > GBG sold Series 1, photocopiers and typewriters, System 34 (back in 1978 > when I was there). > > DP sold mainframes and believed that they ruled. So when a salesman went > to an account, mainframe was always sold above anything else. > > At the time, we in GBG were hoping that the anti-trust ruling would be to > split IBM. It didn't happen. Around that time, Wozniak and Jobs were > building the first Apples, Silicon Valley was taking off and IBM were in a > deep sleep. > > At my exit interview, my manager asked why I was leaving. I told him I was > going to work for a start-up developing applications for Intel 8080 and Z80 > microcomputers. He said, "you can work out a months notice because I don't > ever see IBM getting into those little systems". If he thought I was going > to a competitor, I would have been walked out on the spot. > > The rest is history, just look at the market cap of Apple versus IBM. > > It's the vision thing! LOL. > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 9:07 AM Charles Mills wrote: > >> TMA >> >> Too many acronyms. >> >> What is GBG? What is DP? >> >> I know RBG. >> >> Charles >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On >> Behalf Of Wayne Bickerdike >> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 2:38 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies >> >> Global services was a poor place for "IBM" employees. They weren't the >> same as the IBMers in terms of benefits. This has been the trend at IBM >> for years. I was an IBMer in the 70s and we hoped that the antitrust cases >> would lead to a split so that GBG would separate from DP. It didn't happen >> and Windows are their lunch. DXC will be rubbing their hands. >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > > > -- > Wayne V. Bickerdike > > -- Wayne V. Bickerdike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Hi Charles, GBG was general business group. DP was Data Processing. GBG sold Series 1, photocopiers and typewriters, System 34 (back in 1978 when I was there). DP sold mainframes and believed that they ruled. So when a salesman went to an account, mainframe was always sold above anything else. At the time, we in GBG were hoping that the anti-trust ruling would be to split IBM. It didn't happen. Around that time, Wozniak and Jobs were building the first Apples, Silicon Valley was taking off and IBM were in a deep sleep. At my exit interview, my manager asked why I was leaving. I told him I was going to work for a start-up developing applications for Intel 8080 and Z80 microcomputers. He said, "you can work out a months notice because I don't ever see IBM getting into those little systems". If he thought I was going to a competitor, I would have been walked out on the spot. The rest is history, just look at the market cap of Apple versus IBM. It's the vision thing! LOL. On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 9:07 AM Charles Mills wrote: > TMA > > Too many acronyms. > > What is GBG? What is DP? > > I know RBG. > > Charles > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Wayne Bickerdike > Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 2:38 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies > > Global services was a poor place for "IBM" employees. They weren't the > same as the IBMers in terms of benefits. This has been the trend at IBM > for years. I was an IBMer in the 70s and we hoped that the antitrust cases > would lead to a split so that GBG would separate from DP. It didn't happen > and Windows are their lunch. DXC will be rubbing their hands. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Wayne V. Bickerdike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Well, big companies ARE using AWS, GCP, and Azure for critical information. We deal with them every day. And for the record, I'm hardly an IBM or mainframe basher. I just call out BS when I see it, like that 1.3M/second. Which you have not responded to. It was IBM who said they came up with that by taking their largest customers and extrapolating. Using that methodology, every car is good for 2M miles and gets 80MPG. Oh, and we're all billionaires. See how bad that approach is? Now, if the $6B is true, that's fascinating. It still doesn't explain why the dozens of large mainframe shops we work with NEVER mention IBM when they talk cloud. Maybe IBM has a few really big clients (.gov)? I don't know. Back to processing credit card transactions--again, processors don't use z. (Well, I can think of a couple that do, but by and large, they don't.) You're confusing processors, acquirers, issuers, and brands. Those are different. On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 2:27 PM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > 6 billion in cloud revenue latest quarter. About half of AZURE. Looks > bigger than 2% to me. > https://cloudwars.co/cloud-wars-top-10-vendors-world/ > Read up. > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan > wrote: > > Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the fact > remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't > become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE transaction > quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000 per day. 112 > BILLION. That's 16 transactions per day per person on the planet. Be > serious. That number comes from IBM, was extrapolated by taking their > largest five customers and multiplying by the number of z/OS systems out > there. Lies, damned lies, and statistics and all that, eh? > > And plenty of real, serious, multi-billion-dollar companies use AWS, Azure, > and even GCP. > > You work for a vendor; you have access to lots of industry knowledge from > the real world, not SHARE or IBM marketing. Talk to your peers. Learn. The > truth is out there. > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:57 PM Bill Johnson < > 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > I’ve studied them extensively. I’m an investor. So I really don’t need > the > > lecture but I understand that’s what the frequent posters here need to > do. > > Large enterprises aren’t building on AZURE & AWS. Lots of smaller > companies > > are. Because of the costs. AZURE & AWS are on the way to commoditization. > > Because it’s easy to replicate. In fact, AZURE growth is beginning to > slow. > > Even with the government contract. > > > > > https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/31/probeat-slowing-aws-microsoft-azure-and-google-cloud-revenue-growth-is-a-good-thing/amp/ > > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > On Friday, October 9, 2020, 6:38 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 < > > 031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > Don't believe whoever told you that about AWS. There are real companies > > building real enterprise-level applications on AWS today. > > > > Peter > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > > Of Bill Johnson > > Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 7:53 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies > > > > 2 completely different markets. AZURE & AWS are consumer market clouds. > > IBM is enterprise. > > > > > > On Friday, October 9, 2020, 5:28 AM, zMan > wrote: > > > > Actually, Bill, it's pretty clear that you didn't read the report. It's > at > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://kinsta.com/blog/cloud-market-share/__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!bkn5Ica_-GSgVSVMQhoO-ZwjnqBMD632lXyTKAVvTtc_OWH8fyBG3CcIrbtSWqbpWZCJsA$ > > and lists the top 5 vendors, comprising more than half the market, and > then > > notes that the next ten players--of whom IBM is one--"account for another > > 26% of the SaaS market". > > So IBM has a couple of percent; as I said, that's a joke. Not a major > > player. > > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 10:04 PM Bill Johnson < > > 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > > Anyone who says IBM cloud is a joke isn’t well informed. > > > Cloud Market Share – a Look at the Cloud Ecosystem in 2020 > > > > > > | > > > | > > > | > > >
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TMA Too many acronyms. What is GBG? What is DP? I know RBG. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Wayne Bickerdike Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 2:38 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies Global services was a poor place for "IBM" employees. They weren't the same as the IBMers in terms of benefits. This has been the trend at IBM for years. I was an IBMer in the 70s and we hoped that the antitrust cases would lead to a split so that GBG would separate from DP. It didn't happen and Windows are their lunch. DXC will be rubbing their hands. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Global services was a poor place for "IBM" employees. They weren't the same as the IBMers in terms of benefits. This has been the trend at IBM for years. I was an IBMer in the 70s and we hoped that the antitrust cases would lead to a split so that GBG would separate from DP. It didn't happen and Windows are their lunch. DXC will be rubbing their hands. On Sun, Oct 11, 2020, 02:57 Charles Mills wrote: > FWIW that is how I took it. > > Charles > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Phil Smith III > Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 7:09 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies > > Wayne Bickerdike wrote: > > >Perhaps IBM are prepping to sell off Global Services. > > > > Isn't that what this is? That's what I took "IT infrastructure services > unit" to mean. Am I confused (always possible, probably likely)? > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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6 billion in cloud revenue latest quarter. About half of AZURE. Looks bigger than 2% to me. https://cloudwars.co/cloud-wars-top-10-vendors-world/ Read up. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan wrote: Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the fact remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE transaction quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000 per day. 112 BILLION. That's 16 transactions per day per person on the planet. Be serious. That number comes from IBM, was extrapolated by taking their largest five customers and multiplying by the number of z/OS systems out there. Lies, damned lies, and statistics and all that, eh? And plenty of real, serious, multi-billion-dollar companies use AWS, Azure, and even GCP. You work for a vendor; you have access to lots of industry knowledge from the real world, not SHARE or IBM marketing. Talk to your peers. Learn. The truth is out there. On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:57 PM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > I’ve studied them extensively. I’m an investor. So I really don’t need the > lecture but I understand that’s what the frequent posters here need to do. > Large enterprises aren’t building on AZURE & AWS. Lots of smaller companies > are. Because of the costs. AZURE & AWS are on the way to commoditization. > Because it’s easy to replicate. In fact, AZURE growth is beginning to slow. > Even with the government contract. > > https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/31/probeat-slowing-aws-microsoft-azure-and-google-cloud-revenue-growth-is-a-good-thing/amp/ > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Friday, October 9, 2020, 6:38 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 < > 031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > Don't believe whoever told you that about AWS. There are real companies > building real enterprise-level applications on AWS today. > > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Bill Johnson > Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 7:53 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies > > 2 completely different markets. AZURE & AWS are consumer market clouds. > IBM is enterprise. > > > On Friday, October 9, 2020, 5:28 AM, zMan wrote: > > Actually, Bill, it's pretty clear that you didn't read the report. It's at > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://kinsta.com/blog/cloud-market-share/__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!bkn5Ica_-GSgVSVMQhoO-ZwjnqBMD632lXyTKAVvTtc_OWH8fyBG3CcIrbtSWqbpWZCJsA$ > and lists the top 5 vendors, comprising more than half the market, and then > notes that the next ten players--of whom IBM is one--"account for another > 26% of the SaaS market". > So IBM has a couple of percent; as I said, that's a joke. Not a major > player. > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 10:04 PM Bill Johnson < > 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > Anyone who says IBM cloud is a joke isn’t well informed. > > Cloud Market Share – a Look at the Cloud Ecosystem in 2020 > > > > | > > | > > | > > | | | > > > > | > > > > | > > | > > | | > > Cloud Market Share – a Look at the Cloud Ecosystem in 2020 > > > > Deep dive into the Cloud Market Share with tons of data and stats > >compared to explain the different cloud services and identify the > >leading cloud providers. > > | | > > > > | > > > > | > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > On Thursday, October 8, 2020, 3:41 PM, zMan > > wrote: > > > > "IBM cloud" is a joke. When anyone talks about cloud, it's AWS, Azure, > > maybe GCP. NEVER EVER ONCE IBM. > > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 12:24 PM Allan Staller > > wrote: > > > > > Classification: HCL Internal > > > > > > Don't know anything about this directly, but It actually might help > > > the "traditional" portfolio by allowing more focus. > > > The cloud portion can benefit from reduced bureaucracy, so on the > > surface, > > > this is a win-win. > > > > > > OTOH, how many cloud providers have been hacked to date. I recall > > > APPLE, AMAZON and I think one more. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > > > Behalf Of Dave Jousma > > > Sent:
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You’ve been a mainframe & IBM basher for years. And wrong more often than not. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan wrote: Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the fact remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE transaction quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000 per day. 112 BILLION. That's 16 transactions per day per person on the planet. Be serious. That number comes from IBM, was extrapolated by taking their largest five customers and multiplying by the number of z/OS systems out there. Lies, damned lies, and statistics and all that, eh? And plenty of real, serious, multi-billion-dollar companies use AWS, Azure, and even GCP. You work for a vendor; you have access to lots of industry knowledge from the real world, not SHARE or IBM marketing. Talk to your peers. Learn. The truth is out there. On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:57 PM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > I’ve studied them extensively. I’m an investor. So I really don’t need the > lecture but I understand that’s what the frequent posters here need to do. > Large enterprises aren’t building on AZURE & AWS. Lots of smaller companies > are. Because of the costs. AZURE & AWS are on the way to commoditization. > Because it’s easy to replicate. In fact, AZURE growth is beginning to slow. > Even with the government contract. > > https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/31/probeat-slowing-aws-microsoft-azure-and-google-cloud-revenue-growth-is-a-good-thing/amp/ > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Friday, October 9, 2020, 6:38 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 < > 031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > Don't believe whoever told you that about AWS. There are real companies > building real enterprise-level applications on AWS today. > > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Bill Johnson > Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 7:53 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies > > 2 completely different markets. AZURE & AWS are consumer market clouds. > IBM is enterprise. > > > On Friday, October 9, 2020, 5:28 AM, zMan wrote: > > Actually, Bill, it's pretty clear that you didn't read the report. It's at > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://kinsta.com/blog/cloud-market-share/__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!bkn5Ica_-GSgVSVMQhoO-ZwjnqBMD632lXyTKAVvTtc_OWH8fyBG3CcIrbtSWqbpWZCJsA$ > and lists the top 5 vendors, comprising more than half the market, and then > notes that the next ten players--of whom IBM is one--"account for another > 26% of the SaaS market". > So IBM has a couple of percent; as I said, that's a joke. Not a major > player. > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 10:04 PM Bill Johnson < > 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > Anyone who says IBM cloud is a joke isn’t well informed. > > Cloud Market Share – a Look at the Cloud Ecosystem in 2020 > > > > | > > | > > | > > | | | > > > > | > > > > | > > | > > | | > > Cloud Market Share – a Look at the Cloud Ecosystem in 2020 > > > > Deep dive into the Cloud Market Share with tons of data and stats > >compared to explain the different cloud services and identify the > >leading cloud providers. > > | | > > > > | > > > > | > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > On Thursday, October 8, 2020, 3:41 PM, zMan > > wrote: > > > > "IBM cloud" is a joke. When anyone talks about cloud, it's AWS, Azure, > > maybe GCP. NEVER EVER ONCE IBM. > > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 12:24 PM Allan Staller > > wrote: > > > > > Classification: HCL Internal > > > > > > Don't know anything about this directly, but It actually might help > > > the "traditional" portfolio by allowing more focus. > > > The cloud portion can benefit from reduced bureaucracy, so on the > > surface, > > > this is a win-win. > > > > > > OTOH, how many cloud providers have been hacked to date. I recall > > > APPLE, AMAZON and I think one more. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > > > Behalf Of Dave Jousma > > > Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 10:44 AM > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.U
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You’re comparing 2 entirely different clouds. IBM isn’t in the consumer cloud market. There is more money in PC’s than there is in mainframes too! And IBM processes 90% of credit card transactions. You were wrong. No fortune 100 companies are going to use AZURE or AWS for highly critical, highly sensitive information. Consumer clouds are everywhere. It’s becoming commoditized. Enterprise cloud will never be commoditized and will remain highly profitable. Banks, big retailers, and health care can’t afford the hacks and crashes of consumer cloud services. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan wrote: Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the fact remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE transaction quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000 per day. 112 BILLION. That's 16 transactions per day per person on the planet. Be serious. That number comes from IBM, was extrapolated by taking their largest five customers and multiplying by the number of z/OS systems out there. Lies, damned lies, and statistics and all that, eh? And plenty of real, serious, multi-billion-dollar companies use AWS, Azure, and even GCP. You work for a vendor; you have access to lots of industry knowledge from the real world, not SHARE or IBM marketing. Talk to your peers. Learn. The truth is out there. On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:57 PM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > I’ve studied them extensively. I’m an investor. So I really don’t need the > lecture but I understand that’s what the frequent posters here need to do. > Large enterprises aren’t building on AZURE & AWS. Lots of smaller companies > are. Because of the costs. AZURE & AWS are on the way to commoditization. > Because it’s easy to replicate. In fact, AZURE growth is beginning to slow. > Even with the government contract. > > https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/31/probeat-slowing-aws-microsoft-azure-and-google-cloud-revenue-growth-is-a-good-thing/amp/ > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Friday, October 9, 2020, 6:38 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 < > 031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > Don't believe whoever told you that about AWS. There are real companies > building real enterprise-level applications on AWS today. > > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Bill Johnson > Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 7:53 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies > > 2 completely different markets. AZURE & AWS are consumer market clouds. > IBM is enterprise. > > > On Friday, October 9, 2020, 5:28 AM, zMan wrote: > > Actually, Bill, it's pretty clear that you didn't read the report. It's at > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://kinsta.com/blog/cloud-market-share/__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!bkn5Ica_-GSgVSVMQhoO-ZwjnqBMD632lXyTKAVvTtc_OWH8fyBG3CcIrbtSWqbpWZCJsA$ > and lists the top 5 vendors, comprising more than half the market, and then > notes that the next ten players--of whom IBM is one--"account for another > 26% of the SaaS market". > So IBM has a couple of percent; as I said, that's a joke. Not a major > player. > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 10:04 PM Bill Johnson < > 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > Anyone who says IBM cloud is a joke isn’t well informed. > > Cloud Market Share – a Look at the Cloud Ecosystem in 2020 > > > > | > > | > > | > > | | | > > > > | > > > > | > > | > > | | > > Cloud Market Share – a Look at the Cloud Ecosystem in 2020 > > > > Deep dive into the Cloud Market Share with tons of data and stats > >compared to explain the different cloud services and identify the > >leading cloud providers. > > | | > > > > | > > > > | > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > On Thursday, October 8, 2020, 3:41 PM, zMan > > wrote: > > > > "IBM cloud" is a joke. When anyone talks about cloud, it's AWS, Azure, > > maybe GCP. NEVER EVER ONCE IBM. > > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 12:24 PM Allan Staller > > wrote: > > > > > Classification: HCL Internal > > > > > > Don't know anything about this directly, but It actually might help > > > the "traditional" portfolio by allowing more focus. > > > The cloud portion can benefit from reduced bureaucracy, so o
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Yeah, big comp Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan wrote: Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the fact remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE transaction quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000 per day. 112 BILLION. That's 16 transactions per day per person on the planet. Be serious. That number comes from IBM, was extrapolated by taking their largest five customers and multiplying by the number of z/OS systems out there. Lies, damned lies, and statistics and all that, eh? And plenty of real, serious, multi-billion-dollar companies use AWS, Azure, and even GCP. You work for a vendor; you have access to lots of industry knowledge from the real world, not SHARE or IBM marketing. Talk to your peers. Learn. The truth is out there. On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:57 PM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > I’ve studied them extensively. I’m an investor. So I really don’t need the > lecture but I understand that’s what the frequent posters here need to do. > Large enterprises aren’t building on AZURE & AWS. Lots of smaller companies > are. Because of the costs. AZURE & AWS are on the way to commoditization. > Because it’s easy to replicate. In fact, AZURE growth is beginning to slow. > Even with the government contract. > > https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/31/probeat-slowing-aws-microsoft-azure-and-google-cloud-revenue-growth-is-a-good-thing/amp/ > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Friday, October 9, 2020, 6:38 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 < > 031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > Don't believe whoever told you that about AWS. There are real companies > building real enterprise-level applications on AWS today. > > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Bill Johnson > Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 7:53 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies > > 2 completely different markets. AZURE & AWS are consumer market clouds. > IBM is enterprise. > > > On Friday, October 9, 2020, 5:28 AM, zMan wrote: > > Actually, Bill, it's pretty clear that you didn't read the report. It's at > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://kinsta.com/blog/cloud-market-share/__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!bkn5Ica_-GSgVSVMQhoO-ZwjnqBMD632lXyTKAVvTtc_OWH8fyBG3CcIrbtSWqbpWZCJsA$ > and lists the top 5 vendors, comprising more than half the market, and then > notes that the next ten players--of whom IBM is one--"account for another > 26% of the SaaS market". > So IBM has a couple of percent; as I said, that's a joke. Not a major > player. > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 10:04 PM Bill Johnson < > 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > Anyone who says IBM cloud is a joke isn’t well informed. > > Cloud Market Share – a Look at the Cloud Ecosystem in 2020 > > > > | > > | > > | > > | | | > > > > | > > > > | > > | > > | | > > Cloud Market Share – a Look at the Cloud Ecosystem in 2020 > > > > Deep dive into the Cloud Market Share with tons of data and stats > >compared to explain the different cloud services and identify the > >leading cloud providers. > > | | > > > > | > > > > | > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > On Thursday, October 8, 2020, 3:41 PM, zMan > > wrote: > > > > "IBM cloud" is a joke. When anyone talks about cloud, it's AWS, Azure, > > maybe GCP. NEVER EVER ONCE IBM. > > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 12:24 PM Allan Staller > > wrote: > > > > > Classification: HCL Internal > > > > > > Don't know anything about this directly, but It actually might help > > > the "traditional" portfolio by allowing more focus. > > > The cloud portion can benefit from reduced bureaucracy, so on the > > surface, > > > this is a win-win. > > > > > > OTOH, how many cloud providers have been hacked to date. I recall > > > APPLE, AMAZON and I think one more. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > > > Behalf Of Dave Jousma > > > Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 10:44 AM > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > Subject: IBM splitting into two companies > >
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FWIW that is how I took it. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Phil Smith III Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 7:09 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies Wayne Bickerdike wrote: >Perhaps IBM are prepping to sell off Global Services. Isn't that what this is? That's what I took "IT infrastructure services unit" to mean. Am I confused (always possible, probably likely)? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Evidently Arvind Krishna thinks the IT Services Division (or whatever it is) is worthless, as he didn't attempt to sell it, he's just throwing it out. Apparently, whatever profits it contributes aren't worth the distraction to his "maniacal" focus on "hybrid cloud". As the divestment (calling it a "split" is fine as long as you realize that likely NO one in GTS wants to "split") is going to take a year, and an estimated $1billion in transaction costs, I say he'd better be right if he likes his job. Personally, I don't see how it benefits anyone at all. sas On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 10:09 AM Phil Smith III wrote: > Wayne Bickerdike wrote: > > >Perhaps IBM are prepping to sell off Global Services. > > > > Isn't that what this is? That's what I took "IT infrastructure services > unit" to mean. Am I confused (always possible, probably likely)? > > > > ...phsiii > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Wayne Bickerdike wrote: >Perhaps IBM are prepping to sell off Global Services. Isn't that what this is? That's what I took "IT infrastructure services unit" to mean. Am I confused (always possible, probably likely)? ...phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the fact remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE transaction quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000 per day. 112 BILLION. That's 16 transactions per day per person on the planet. Be serious. That number comes from IBM, was extrapolated by taking their largest five customers and multiplying by the number of z/OS systems out there. Lies, damned lies, and statistics and all that, eh? And plenty of real, serious, multi-billion-dollar companies use AWS, Azure, and even GCP. You work for a vendor; you have access to lots of industry knowledge from the real world, not SHARE or IBM marketing. Talk to your peers. Learn. The truth is out there. On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:57 PM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > I’ve studied them extensively. I’m an investor. So I really don’t need the > lecture but I understand that’s what the frequent posters here need to do. > Large enterprises aren’t building on AZURE & AWS. Lots of smaller companies > are. Because of the costs. AZURE & AWS are on the way to commoditization. > Because it’s easy to replicate. In fact, AZURE growth is beginning to slow. > Even with the government contract. > > https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/31/probeat-slowing-aws-microsoft-azure-and-google-cloud-revenue-growth-is-a-good-thing/amp/ > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Friday, October 9, 2020, 6:38 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 < > 031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > Don't believe whoever told you that about AWS. There are real companies > building real enterprise-level applications on AWS today. > > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Bill Johnson > Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 7:53 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies > > 2 completely different markets. AZURE & AWS are consumer market clouds. > IBM is enterprise. > > > On Friday, October 9, 2020, 5:28 AM, zMan wrote: > > Actually, Bill, it's pretty clear that you didn't read the report. It's at > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://kinsta.com/blog/cloud-market-share/__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!bkn5Ica_-GSgVSVMQhoO-ZwjnqBMD632lXyTKAVvTtc_OWH8fyBG3CcIrbtSWqbpWZCJsA$ > and lists the top 5 vendors, comprising more than half the market, and then > notes that the next ten players--of whom IBM is one--"account for another > 26% of the SaaS market". > So IBM has a couple of percent; as I said, that's a joke. Not a major > player. > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 10:04 PM Bill Johnson < > 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > Anyone who says IBM cloud is a joke isn’t well informed. > > Cloud Market Share – a Look at the Cloud Ecosystem in 2020 > > > > | > > | > > | > > | || > > > >| > > > > | > > | > > | | > > Cloud Market Share – a Look at the Cloud Ecosystem in 2020 > > > > Deep dive into the Cloud Market Share with tons of data and stats > >compared to explain the different cloud services and identify the > >leading cloud providers. > > | | > > > > | > > > > | > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > On Thursday, October 8, 2020, 3:41 PM, zMan > > wrote: > > > > "IBM cloud" is a joke. When anyone talks about cloud, it's AWS, Azure, > > maybe GCP. NEVER EVER ONCE IBM. > > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 12:24 PM Allan Staller > > wrote: > > > > > Classification: HCL Internal > > > > > > Don't know anything about this directly, but It actually might help > > > the "traditional" portfolio by allowing more focus. > > > The cloud portion can benefit from reduced bureaucracy, so on the > > surface, > > > this is a win-win. > > > > > > OTOH, how many cloud providers have been hacked to date. I recall > > > APPLE, AMAZON and I think one more. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > > > Behalf Of Dave Jousma > > > Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 10:44 AM > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > Subject: IBM splitting into two companies > > > > > > [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you > > >
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
No, but no processors use it. Couple of the brands do. On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 12:00 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > what is z/TPF, chopped liver? > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of zMan > Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 10:25 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies > > Nope, IBM doesn't process 90% of credit card transactions. Most processors > are on distributed, with a lot of HPE NonStop in the mix, but also other > platforms. > > Some of the brands (AmEx, Visa) use a fair bit of mainframe hardware, but > they're not processors. And some issuers use z/OS, but by no means all. > > And as previously demonstrated--by you!--IBM is not the go-to for cloud. > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 10:18 PM Bill Johnson < > 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > I don’t mind having my pictures or music in the AWS or AZURE cloud. But, > I > > don’t want my financial or health information there. IBM still processes > > 90% of the credit card transactions. Red Hat acquisition will keep them > the > > go to cloud for highly sensitive information. It’s why banks, big > retail, & > > health care companies aren’t looking to get off the platform we all love. > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > On Thursday, October 8, 2020, 6:30 PM, Ron Wells < > > 02ebc63ff5ef-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > CLOUD by any other name > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > > Of zMan > > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2020 2:41 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies > > > > ** EXTERNAL EMAIL - USE CAUTION ** > > > > > > "IBM cloud" is a joke. When anyone talks about cloud, it's AWS, Azure, > > maybe GCP. NEVER EVER ONCE IBM. > > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 12:24 PM Allan Staller > > wrote: > > > > > Classification: HCL Internal > > > > > > Don't know anything about this directly, but It actually might help > > > the "traditional" portfolio by allowing more focus. > > > The cloud portion can benefit from reduced bureaucracy, so on the > > > surface, this is a win-win. > > > > > > OTOH, how many cloud providers have been hacked to date. I recall > > > APPLE, AMAZON and I think one more. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > > > Behalf Of Dave Jousma > > > Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 10:44 AM > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > Subject: IBM splitting into two companies > > > > > > [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you > > > trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a > > > Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise your > > > Computer.] > > > > > > Anyone know any more about this? > > > > > > > > > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww. > > > reuters.com%2Farticle%2Fus-ibm-divestiture%2Fibm-to-break-up-109-year- > > > old-company-to-focus-on-cloud-growth-idUSKBN26T1TZ&data=02%7C01%7C > > > Ron.Wells%40OMF.COM%7Cd9f08b923f4d4950db8308d86bc23335%7C57c0053cb5f84 > > > a1e8bb6e8afa09f3b82%7C0%7C1%7C637377829109678388&sdata=5CwaLgr2DUk > > > Jw%2FvCXctklNS6h%2BXyNa0ojq1pZRip8K8%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > > > > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww. > > > prnewswire.com%2Fnews-releases%2Fibm-to-accelerate-hybrid-cloud-growth > > > -strategy-and-execute-spin-off-of-market-leading-managed-infrastructur > > > e-services-unit-301148458.html&data=02%7C01%7CRon.Wells%40OMF.COM% > > > 7Cd9f08b923f4d4950db8308d86bc23335%7C57c0053cb5f84a1e8bb6e8afa09f3b82% > > > 7C0%7C1%7C637377829109678388&sdata=eQoih0SoGl6gRMYa%2BNUDf4dZe8fF0 > > > lAhJACRZNPqf%2FU%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > -- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > ::DISCLAIMER:: > > > > > > The con
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
Perhaps IBM are prepping to sell off Global Services. On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 8:08 PM David Cole wrote: > So what happened? Did IBM buy Red Hat and then Red Hat swallowed up IBM? > > > > > > > At 10/8/2020 04:18 PM, Knutson, Samuel wrote: > >You can read the press release, view the charts and listen the > >webcast where this was rolled out to Wall Street analysts this morning > here > > > >https://www.ibm.com/investor/events/ibm-strategic-update-2020 > > > > > > > >The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee > >only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you > >are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy > >or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in > >error please notify us immediately and then destroy it > > > >-- > >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Wayne V. Bickerdike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
I’ve studied them extensively. I’m an investor. So I really don’t need the lecture but I understand that’s what the frequent posters here need to do. Large enterprises aren’t building on AZURE & AWS. Lots of smaller companies are. Because of the costs. AZURE & AWS are on the way to commoditization. Because it’s easy to replicate. In fact, AZURE growth is beginning to slow. Even with the government contract. https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/31/probeat-slowing-aws-microsoft-azure-and-google-cloud-revenue-growth-is-a-good-thing/amp/ Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, October 9, 2020, 6:38 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 <031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Don't believe whoever told you that about AWS. There are real companies building real enterprise-level applications on AWS today. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 7:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies 2 completely different markets. AZURE & AWS are consumer market clouds. IBM is enterprise. On Friday, October 9, 2020, 5:28 AM, zMan wrote: Actually, Bill, it's pretty clear that you didn't read the report. It's at https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://kinsta.com/blog/cloud-market-share/__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!bkn5Ica_-GSgVSVMQhoO-ZwjnqBMD632lXyTKAVvTtc_OWH8fyBG3CcIrbtSWqbpWZCJsA$ and lists the top 5 vendors, comprising more than half the market, and then notes that the next ten players--of whom IBM is one--"account for another 26% of the SaaS market". So IBM has a couple of percent; as I said, that's a joke. Not a major player. On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 10:04 PM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Anyone who says IBM cloud is a joke isn’t well informed. > Cloud Market Share – a Look at the Cloud Ecosystem in 2020 > > | > | > | > | | | > > | > > | > | > | | > Cloud Market Share – a Look at the Cloud Ecosystem in 2020 > > Deep dive into the Cloud Market Share with tons of data and stats >compared to explain the different cloud services and identify the >leading cloud providers. > | | > > | > > | > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Thursday, October 8, 2020, 3:41 PM, zMan > wrote: > > "IBM cloud" is a joke. When anyone talks about cloud, it's AWS, Azure, > maybe GCP. NEVER EVER ONCE IBM. > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 12:24 PM Allan Staller > wrote: > > > Classification: HCL Internal > > > > Don't know anything about this directly, but It actually might help > > the "traditional" portfolio by allowing more focus. > > The cloud portion can benefit from reduced bureaucracy, so on the > surface, > > this is a win-win. > > > > OTOH, how many cloud providers have been hacked to date. I recall > > APPLE, AMAZON and I think one more. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > > Behalf Of Dave Jousma > > Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 10:44 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: IBM splitting into two companies > > > > [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you > > trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be > > a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise > > your Computer.] > > > > Anyone know any more about this? -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM splitting into two companies
After all, Amazon, which ain't chicken feed, presumably runs on AWS. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 3:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies Don't believe whoever told you that about AWS. There are real companies building real enterprise-level applications on AWS today. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 7:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies 2 completely different markets. AZURE & AWS are consumer market clouds. IBM is enterprise. On Friday, October 9, 2020, 5:28 AM, zMan wrote: Actually, Bill, it's pretty clear that you didn't read the report. It's at https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://kinsta.com/blog/cloud-market-share/__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!bkn5Ica_-GSgVSVMQhoO-ZwjnqBMD632lXyTKAVvTtc_OWH8fyBG3CcIrbtSWqbpWZCJsA$ and lists the top 5 vendors, comprising more than half the market, and then notes that the next ten players--of whom IBM is one--"account for another 26% of the SaaS market". So IBM has a couple of percent; as I said, that's a joke. Not a major player. On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 10:04 PM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Anyone who says IBM cloud is a joke isn’t well informed. > Cloud Market Share – a Look at the Cloud Ecosystem in 2020 > > | > | > | > | || > >| > > | > | > | | > Cloud Market Share – a Look at the Cloud Ecosystem in 2020 > > Deep dive into the Cloud Market Share with tons of data and stats >compared to explain the different cloud services and identify the >leading cloud providers. > | | > > | > > | > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Thursday, October 8, 2020, 3:41 PM, zMan > wrote: > > "IBM cloud" is a joke. When anyone talks about cloud, it's AWS, Azure, > maybe GCP. NEVER EVER ONCE IBM. > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 12:24 PM Allan Staller > wrote: > > > Classification: HCL Internal > > > > Don't know anything about this directly, but It actually might help > > the "traditional" portfolio by allowing more focus. > > The cloud portion can benefit from reduced bureaucracy, so on the > surface, > > this is a win-win. > > > > OTOH, how many cloud providers have been hacked to date. I recall > > APPLE, AMAZON and I think one more. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > > Behalf Of Dave Jousma > > Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 10:44 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: IBM splitting into two companies > > > > [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you > > trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be > > a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise > > your Computer.] > > > > Anyone know any more about this? -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN