Re: Please tell me I did something stupid
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com wrote: I appreciate the sentiments. We are not particularly happy about getting rid of them, but their time had come. In order to keep it to one page, the page was going to have to grow to a non-standard piece of paper because the font was too small, both from an IBM printing standards perspective and based on complaints from sysprogs. Non-standard = more costly to produce. Alan, If these arguments really had any influence on the decision, then I think you're really far off... What we are happy about is the amount of text on that summary, not the physical and logistical issues when it is printed. Let alone the idea that we would need IBM to print it. I expect most VM sysprogs will have someone in the family who heard about this new thing called Internet and could download the PDF. And if printing will result in 3-4 pages, fine. How many of us have bothered to print in double-sided? Oh, and printing these days is electronic. There is hardly the issue of the IBM Printing Department needing to keep a supply of genuine fonts in lead and sufficient pairs of pliers to place those... Even if you would have a hand-written document it could be reproduced. I think the summary describes 3 different routes: tape, 1st level DVD and 2nd level DVD. It would have been more clear to order the content in row major so that you use just on of the 3 sections in it. What troubled me with it was that it missed vital steps in the process, and did not even refer to a section in the book that would have to be checked there. The other part that kept me busy was one step that was deliberately omitted since it happened by magic; would have been nice to explain that you don't have to pick up the RSU when it is merged in before. Bad idea to throw them away. But I would be happy with a summary chapter in the book that has the scenario for those who are not completely new to z/VM installation. Rob
Re: Please tell me I did something stupid
It sounds like this may come under the heading of beating a dead horse, but that has never stopped VM Sysprogs before, so I've used the Quick Guides for 5 or 6 zVM installs so far and I don't think I've ever used an IBM printed hard copy of them yet. I've always printed a copy from the .PDF files. It would be fine with me if IBM did not even supply a hard copy version. That takes care of any expense issue with non-standard sized paper. (I frequently print other materials on legal sized paper and have no problem with doing so. I suspect other users feel the same way.) Of course, the paper and font size issues could be eliminated by breaking the DVD guide into two versions: 1st level DVD and 2nd level DVD. (The tape install is already in a separate quick guide). Each of these could easily fit on a standard sheet using a larger font. Yes, this would create another, new, document and it could be argued that this would increase the cost... but As mentioned before, don't print any of them. Make them available electronically (only). That also makes it possible to update them much easier if the need arises. If you want to make sure that users are aware of the Quick Guides, put a one-sheet notice in with the other shipped materials providing the URLs for the downloadable guides. Mike C. M. (Mike) Hammock Sr. Technical Advisor IBM System Z Solutions Mainline Information Systems (404) 643-3258 mike.hamm...@mainline.com Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us. ibm.com To Sent by: The IBM IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU z/VM Operating cc System ib...@listserv.u Subject ARK.EDU Re: Please tell me I did something stupid 03/18/2009 01:37 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System ib...@listserv.u ARK.EDU On Tuesday, 03/17/2009 at 09:45 EDT, Mike Hammock mike.hamm...@mainline.com wrote: I also vote for keeping the Quick Guides... I think they are the best thing since sliced bread! The only suggestion I would make would be to 'simplify'; them by completely separating the 1st level and 2nd level install instructions,. I find that skipping around the other parts causes more problems than anything else. I appreciate the sentiments. We are not particularly happy about getting rid of them, but their time had come. In order to keep it to one page, the page was going to have to grow to a non-standard piece of paper because the font was too small, both from an IBM printing standards perspective and based on complaints from sysprogs. Non-standard = more costly to produce. We will instead supply some sort of abbreviated installation/service procedure as part of the book. It won't skip steps, but neither will it have the voluminous explanations of the primary text. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott This e-mail and files transmitted with it are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you are not one of the named recipient(s) or otherwise have reason to believe that you received this message in error, please immediately notify sender by e-mail, and destroy the original message. Thank You.
Re: Please tell me I did something stupid
I agree.when I was working, I used the quick guides, knowing full well that there was a more detailed install doc available.just in case. --- On Wed, 3/18/09, Mike Hammock mike.hamm...@mainline.com wrote: From: Mike Hammock mike.hamm...@mainline.com Subject: Re: Please tell me I did something stupid To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 8:04 AM It sounds like this may come under the heading of beating a dead horse, but that has never stopped VM Sysprogs before, so I've used the Quick Guides for 5 or 6 zVM installs so far and I don't think I've ever used an IBM printed hard copy of them yet. I've always printed a copy from the .PDF files. It would be fine with me if IBM did not even supply a hard copy version. That takes care of any expense issue with non-standard sized paper. (I frequently print other materials on legal sized paper and have no problem with doing so. I suspect other users feel the same way.) Of course, the paper and font size issues could be eliminated by breaking the DVD guide into two versions: 1st level DVD and 2nd level DVD. (The tape install is already in a separate quick guide). Each of these could easily fit on a standard sheet using a larger font. Yes, this would create another, new, document and it could be argued that this would increase the cost... but As mentioned before, don't print any of them. Make them available electronically (only). That also makes it possible to update them much easier if the need arises. If you want to make sure that users are aware of the Quick Guides, put a one-sheet notice in with the other shipped materials providing the URLs for the downloadable guides. Mike C. M. (Mike) Hammock Sr. Technical Advisor IBM System Z Solutions Mainline Information Systems (404) 643-3258 mike.hamm...@mainline.com Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us. ibm.com To Sent by: The IBM ib...@listserv.uark.edu z/VM Operating cc System ib...@listserv.u Subject ARK.EDU Re: Please tell me I did something stupid 03/18/2009 01:37 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System ib...@listserv.u ARK.EDU On Tuesday, 03/17/2009 at 09:45 EDT, Mike Hammock mike.hamm...@mainline.com wrote: I also vote for keeping the Quick Guides... I think they are the best thing since sliced bread! The only suggestion I would make would be to 'simplify'; them by completely separating the 1st level and 2nd level install instructions,. I find that skipping around the other parts causes more problems than anything else. I appreciate the sentiments. We are not particularly happy about getting rid of them, but their time had come. In order to keep it to one page, the page was going to have to grow to a non-standard piece of paper because the font was too small, both from an IBM printing standards perspective and based on complaints from sysprogs. Non-standard = more costly to produce. We will instead supply some sort of abbreviated installation/service procedure as part of the book. It won't skip steps, but neither will it have the voluminous explanations of the primary text. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott This e-mail and files transmitted with it are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver
Quick Guides (was: Please tell me I did something stupid)
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com wrote: I appreciate the sentiments. We are not particularly happy about getting rid of them, but their time had come. In order to keep it to one page, the page was going to have to grow to a non-standard piece of paper because the font was too small, both from an IBM printing standards perspective and based on complaints from sysprogs. Non-standard = more costly to produce. I would like to add my voice to the many asking for the quick guides to be retained. I have installed the last 3 levels of z/VM using the quick guides. After installing z/VM 5.3 from tape (our 'traditional' method) I then did it again from DVD for the first time. z/VM 5.4 I did only using DVD (twice - once for ESP once for GA). The most difficult bit is deciding which of the options is right for you and I do agree that there was a bit of intuition needed - but I completed the first DVD install within half a day of first seeing the guide, (so it can't have been that bad). I think we are in danger of somewhat missing the point of the quick guide. I never considered it to be full and comprehensive instructions for someone who has never done an install before. The manual does that job very well. It is more of a quick aide memoir for those who need prompts and checklists. After all, pilots know how to fly but they still use checklists to ensure they don't forget something - that doesn't mean we would expect someone to learn to fly from the checklist. Colin Allinson Amadeus Data Processing GmbH
Re: Please tell me I did something stupid
For my two cents I have never used the quick guide. I read through it, but always open the book. Just a comfort factor I guess. I do agree though that seperating 1st and 2nd level instructions is a much better approach that skipping sections. Maybe a flowchart approach might be a good idea. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu]on Behalf Of william JANULIN Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:06 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Please tell me I did something stupid I agree.when I was working, I used the quick guides, knowing full well that there was a more detailed install doc available.just in case. --- On Wed, 3/18/09, Mike Hammock mike.hamm...@mainline.com wrote: From: Mike Hammock mike.hamm...@mainline.com Subject: Re: Please tell me I did something stupid To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 8:04 AM It sounds like this may come under the heading of beating a dead horse, but that has never stopped VM Sysprogs before, so I've used the Quick Guides for 5 or 6 zVM installs so far and I don't think I've ever used an IBM printed hard copy of them yet. I've always printed a copy from the .PDF files. It would be fine with me if IBM did not even supply a hard copy version. That takes care of any expense issue with non-standard sized paper. (I frequently print other materials on legal sized paper and have no problem with doing so. I suspect other users feel the same way.) Of course, the paper and font size issues could be eliminated by breaking the DVD guide into two versions: 1st level DVD and 2nd level DVD. (The tape install is already in a separate quick guide). Each of these could easily fit on a standard sheet using a larger font. Yes, this would create another, new, document and it could be argued that this would increase the cost... but As mentioned before, don't print any of them. Make them available electronically (only). That also makes it possible to update them much easier if the need arises. If you want to make sure that users are aware of the Quick Guides, put a one-sheet notice in with the other shipped materials providing the URLs for the downloadable guides. Mike C. M. (Mike) Hammock Sr. Technical Advisor IBM System Z Solutions Mainline Information Systems (404) 643-3258 mike.hamm...@mainline.com Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us. ibm.com To Sent by: The IBM ib...@listserv.uark.edu z/VM Operating cc System ib...@listserv.u Subject ARK.EDU Re: Please tell me I did something stupid 03/18/2009 01:37 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System ib...@listserv.u ARK.EDU On Tuesday, 03/17/2009 at 09:45 EDT, Mike Hammock mike.hamm...@mainline.com wrote: I also vote for keeping the Quick Guides... I think they are the best thing since sliced bread! The only suggestion I would make would be to 'simplify'; them by completely separating the 1st level and 2nd level install instructions,. I find that skipping around the other parts causes more problems than anything else. I appreciate the sentiments. We are not particularly happy about getting rid of them, but their time had come. In order to keep it to one page, the page was going to have to grow to a non-standard piece of paper because the font was too small, both from an IBM printing standards perspective and based on complaints from sysprogs. Non-standard
Re: Please tell me I did something stupid
I'm clearly swimming upstream, but I've never used the quick guides, and probably never will. Anything that is a summary of something else carrie s the risk of not being complete. Brian Nielsen On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:36:17 -0400, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com wrote: On Tuesday, 03/17/2009 at 09:45 EDT, Mike Hammock mike.hamm...@mainline.com wrote: I also vote for keeping the Quick Guides... I think they are the bes t thing since sliced bread! The only suggestion I would make would be to 'simplify'; them by completely separating the 1st level and 2nd level install instructions,. I find that skipping around the other parts causes more problems than anything else. I appreciate the sentiments. We are not particularly happy about gettin g rid of them, but their time had come. In order to keep it to one page , the page was going to have to grow to a non-standard piece of paper because the font was too small, both from an IBM printing standards perspective and based on complaints from sysprogs. Non-standard = mor e costly to produce. We will instead supply some sort of abbreviated installation/service procedure as part of the book. It won't skip steps, but neither will it have the voluminous explanations of the primary text. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott =
Re: Please tell me I did something stupid
On Mar 18, 2009, at 3:10 AM, Rob van der Heij wrote: Bad idea to throw them away. But I would be happy with a summary chapter in the book that has the scenario for those who are not completely new to z/VM installation. It strikes me that, given that we have several versions' worth of excellent models, there's nothing really stopping, um, one of *us* from doing a set of one page versions, one for tape, for first level DVD, and for second level DVD. Of course, getting those KNOWN to people who don't already know about the mailing list becomes the trick. Adam
Re: Please tell me I did something stupid
On Wednesday, 03/18/2009 at 10:48 EDT, Adam Thornton athorn...@sinenomine.net wrote: It strikes me that, given that we have several versions' worth of excellent models, there's nothing really stopping, um, one of *us* from doing a set of one page versions, one for tape, for first level DVD, and for second level DVD. Of course, getting those KNOWN to people who don't already know about the mailing list becomes the trick. I, for one, would prefer that the community NOT do that as it creates an expectation that installing release 'n+1' is the same as release 'n'. I think that at such a sensitive point in the deployment process that they should be using Official Information that comes with the installation/service deliverable. But if the community does choose to build such a set of documents, please clearly point out that the information is not provided or warranted by IBM and that installation/service problems encounted need to be reported to the author, not IBM. (I don't want PMRs that begin I attend a small mid-western university. While using the One-Page Install Guide from the Internet and I encountered a problem...) Checklists and other preparatory advice, based on real-world experience, are ponies of a different color. They would definitely be a value-add, providing *guidance* (opinion) where IBM can usually only provide a *procedure*. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: Please tell me I did something stupid
On Mar 18, 2009, at 10:13 AM, Alan Altmark wrote: Checklists and other preparatory advice, based on real-world experience, are ponies of a different color. They would definitely be a value- add, providing *guidance* (opinion) where IBM can usually only provide a *procedure*. Hey, man, *you're* the one threatening to take away my pony. I don't care if the Quick And Dirty Guide is four or five pages, or whether there's a paper version at all. MY use case for the thing is to open it in one window, have my 3270 emulator in another window, and look at the guide when it's time to do the next step. Adam
Re: Quick Guides (was: Please tell me I did something stupid)
I appreciate the sentiments. We are not particularly happy about getting rid of them, but their time had come. In order to keep it to one page, the page was going to have to grow to a non-standard piece of paper because the font was too small, both from an IBM printing standards perspective and based on complaints from sysprogs. Non-standard = more costly to produce. I've only used the double-sided Installation Summary sheets as a quick pointer into how far I am though the complete installation task (i.e. a quarter way done, or half way, etc.). That's helpful when trying to decide whether to go home and resume in the morning, or stay a little longer to get it all wrapped up. Preferring to better understand everything that goes on so that if something breaks it's more clear what broke, I use the full Guide for Automated Installation and Service. It serves a bit as education, and includes *everything*. Obviously, it's important to check the PSP buckets for any doc changes, too. Since the full Guide has EVERY step, it permits me to write the current date and time in the margin as I execute each command. Knowing that interruptions are frequent, and often it may take days or weeks to get back to completing the installation (less so nowadays with the speedy installs), the date/time in the margin provide clear doc to let me resume right where I left off. *More importantly*, the date/time in the margin let me look back later to match up console logs of the installation activities. Even wonder some time later when something is not working properly, if maybe you might have skipped a step? (Hmmm... wasn't an accidentally skipped step what triggered this thread!?). Seeing the date/time in the margin provides pretty (although not 100%) empirical proof that the step was executed, and enough information to let you match up a console log showing the execution (and perhaps an error message that you missed while fielding a phone call while it ran). But I understand and empathize with those who regularly perform many separate z/VM installations, using the Summaries as the installation preflight checklist (what a GREAT analogy Colin provided!). Being experience pilots they already know the installation details, and just want to prevent a crash caused by missing one of those critical preflight checklist item. Even so, if they are doing the installation for a customer, those date/timestamps in the margin of the Guide and the matching console logs, might provide their customer with the evidence that permits them with reasons to extend their support contract. Just my humble opinion... Mike Walter Hewitt Associates Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone and do not necessarily represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates. The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
Re: Please tell me I did something stupid
Brian Nielsen wrote: I'm clearly swimming upstream, but I've never used the quick guides, and probably never will. Anything that is a summary of something else carries the risk of not being complete. Brian Nielsen I never used the quick guide either. Brian pretty much summed up the reasons. -- Rich Smrcina Phone: 414-491-6001 http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2009 - Orlando, FL - May 15-19, 2009
Please tell me I did something stupid
I just installed a virgin z/VM 5.4 with all products on filepool rather than on minidisk. I only tweaked it enough to get a TCPIP stack up and running so that I could FTP the RSU over to it, DETERSE it, and apply service. I've done literally nothing else to the system. 0 * * * Top of File * * * 1 2 SERVICE USERID: MAINT 3 4 Date: 03/17/09Time: 15:30:04 5 6 ST:VMFSRV2195I SERVICE ALL RPTF0168 7 ST:VMFSRV2760I SERVICE processing started 8 ST:VMFSUI2760I VMFSUFIN processing started 9 ST:VMFSUI2760I VMFSUFIN processing started for product 5VMLEN40%LE 00010 ST:VMFSET2760I VMFSETUP processing started for SERVP2P LE 00011 ST:VMFSET2204I Linking MAINT 4C4 as 4C4 with the link mode MR 00012 SV:HCPLNM107E MAINT 04C4 not linked; not in CP directory 00013 SV:VMFSET1965E The command, CP LINK MAINT 4C4 4C4 MR , failed with 00014 SV:return code 107 00015 ST:VMFSET2204I Linking MAINT 4C2 as 4C2 with the link mode MR 00016 SV:HCPLNM107E MAINT 04C2 not linked; not in CP directory 00017 SV:VMFSET1965E The command, CP LINK MAINT 4C2 4C2 MR , failed with 00018 SV:return code 107 00019 ST:VMFSET2204I Linking MAINT 4D2 as 4D2 with the link mode MR 00020 SV:HCPLNM107E MAINT 04D2 not linked; not in CP directory 00021 SV:VMFSET1965E The command, CP LINK MAINT 4D2 4D2 MR , failed with 00022 SV:return code 107 00023 ST:VMFSET2204I Linking MAINT 4A6 as 4A6 with the link mode MR 00024 SV:HCPLNM107E MAINT 04A6 not linked; not in CP directory 00025 SV:VMFSET1965E The command, CP LINK MAINT 4A6 4A6 MR , failed with 00026 SV:return code 107 00027 ST:VMFSET2204I Linking MAINT 4A4 as 4A4 with the link mode MR 00028 SV:HCPLNM107E MAINT 04A4 not linked; not in CP directory 00029 SV:VMFSET1965E The command, CP LINK MAINT 4A4 4A4 MR , failed with 00030 SV:return code 107 00031 ST:VMFSET2204I Linking MAINT 4A2 as 4A2 with the link mode MR 00032 SV:HCPLNM107E MAINT 04A2 not linked; not in CP directory 00033 SV:VMFSET1965E The command, CP LINK MAINT 4A2 4A2 MR , failed with 00034 SV:return code 107 00035 ST:VMFSET2204I Linking MAINT 4B2 as 4B2 with the link mode MR 00036 SV:HCPLNM107E MAINT 04B2 not linked; not in CP directory 00037 SV:VMFSET1965E The command, CP LINK MAINT 4B2 4B2 MR , failed with 00038 SV:return code 107 00039 ST:VMFSET2760I VMFSETUP processing completed unsuccessfully 00040 SV:VMFSUI1965E The command, VMFSETUP, failed with return code 100 when 00041 SV:issued with the argument(s): SERVP2P LE (LINK NOPROMPT 00042 SV:RETAIN D 00043 ST:VMFSET2760I VMFSETUP processing started for DETACH LE 00044 ST:VMFSET2760I VMFSETUP processing completed successfully 00045 ST:VMFSUI2760I VMFSUFIN processing completed unsuccessfully 00046 ST:VMFSUI1211I An Initial Restart Record has been created for package 00047 ST:RPTF0168 in the System-Level Restart Table 00048 SV:VMFSRV1965E The command, VMFSUFIN, failed with return code 100 when 00049 SV:issued with the argument(s): ALL ( NOPROMPT RSUENV 00050 SV:RPTF0168 00051 WN:VMFSRV2310W Service restart file, SERVICE $RESTART A, has been created 00052 WN:due to errors. Correct the errors, and restart SERVICE 00053 WN:using the following command: 00054 WN:SERVICE RESTART RPTF0168 00055 ST:VMFSRV2760I SERVICE processing completed unsuccessfully Someone please say Adam, you're an idiot, you obviously forgot the somethingorother and not Oh! Wow. Yeah, you're right! The RSU doesn't actually work on filepool systems. Reinstalling the system from scratch--while not technically challenging--*will* tick me off. Adam
Re: Please tell me I did something stupid
The component is cpsfs or cmssfs ... Not cp or cms which are for minidisks. On 3/17/09 3:36 PM, Adam Thornton athorn...@sinenomine.net wrote: I just installed a virgin z/VM 5.4 with all products on filepool rather than on minidisk. I only tweaked it enough to get a TCPIP stack up and running so that I could FTP the RSU over to it, DETERSE it, and apply service. I've done literally nothing else to the system. 0 * * * Top of File * * * 1 2 SERVICE USERID: MAINT 3 4 Date: 03/17/09Time: 15:30:04 5 6 ST:VMFSRV2195I SERVICE ALL RPTF0168 7 ST:VMFSRV2760I SERVICE processing started 8 ST:VMFSUI2760I VMFSUFIN processing started 9 ST:VMFSUI2760I VMFSUFIN processing started for product 5VMLEN40%LE 00010 ST:VMFSET2760I VMFSETUP processing started for SERVP2P LE 00011 ST:VMFSET2204I Linking MAINT 4C4 as 4C4 with the link mode MR 00012 SV:HCPLNM107E MAINT 04C4 not linked; not in CP directory 00013 SV:VMFSET1965E The command, CP LINK MAINT 4C4 4C4 MR , failed with 00014 SV:return code 107 00015 ST:VMFSET2204I Linking MAINT 4C2 as 4C2 with the link mode MR 00016 SV:HCPLNM107E MAINT 04C2 not linked; not in CP directory 00017 SV:VMFSET1965E The command, CP LINK MAINT 4C2 4C2 MR , failed with 00018 SV:return code 107 00019 ST:VMFSET2204I Linking MAINT 4D2 as 4D2 with the link mode MR 00020 SV:HCPLNM107E MAINT 04D2 not linked; not in CP directory 00021 SV:VMFSET1965E The command, CP LINK MAINT 4D2 4D2 MR , failed with 00022 SV:return code 107 00023 ST:VMFSET2204I Linking MAINT 4A6 as 4A6 with the link mode MR 00024 SV:HCPLNM107E MAINT 04A6 not linked; not in CP directory 00025 SV:VMFSET1965E The command, CP LINK MAINT 4A6 4A6 MR , failed with 00026 SV:return code 107 00027 ST:VMFSET2204I Linking MAINT 4A4 as 4A4 with the link mode MR 00028 SV:HCPLNM107E MAINT 04A4 not linked; not in CP directory 00029 SV:VMFSET1965E The command, CP LINK MAINT 4A4 4A4 MR , failed with 00030 SV:return code 107 00031 ST:VMFSET2204I Linking MAINT 4A2 as 4A2 with the link mode MR 00032 SV:HCPLNM107E MAINT 04A2 not linked; not in CP directory 00033 SV:VMFSET1965E The command, CP LINK MAINT 4A2 4A2 MR , failed with 00034 SV:return code 107 00035 ST:VMFSET2204I Linking MAINT 4B2 as 4B2 with the link mode MR 00036 SV:HCPLNM107E MAINT 04B2 not linked; not in CP directory 00037 SV:VMFSET1965E The command, CP LINK MAINT 4B2 4B2 MR , failed with 00038 SV:return code 107 00039 ST:VMFSET2760I VMFSETUP processing completed unsuccessfully 00040 SV:VMFSUI1965E The command, VMFSETUP, failed with return code 100 when 00041 SV:issued with the argument(s): SERVP2P LE (LINK NOPROMPT 00042 SV:RETAIN D 00043 ST:VMFSET2760I VMFSETUP processing started for DETACH LE 00044 ST:VMFSET2760I VMFSETUP processing completed successfully 00045 ST:VMFSUI2760I VMFSUFIN processing completed unsuccessfully 00046 ST:VMFSUI1211I An Initial Restart Record has been created for package 00047 ST:RPTF0168 in the System-Level Restart Table 00048 SV:VMFSRV1965E The command, VMFSUFIN, failed with return code 100 when 00049 SV:issued with the argument(s): ALL ( NOPROMPT RSUENV 00050 SV:RPTF0168 00051 WN:VMFSRV2310W Service restart file, SERVICE $RESTART A, has been created 00052 WN:due to errors. Correct the errors, and restart SERVICE 00053 WN:using the following command: 00054 WN:SERVICE RESTART RPTF0168 00055 ST:VMFSRV2760I SERVICE processing completed unsuccessfully Someone please say Adam, you're an idiot, you obviously forgot the somethingorother and not Oh! Wow. Yeah, you're right! The RSU doesn't actually work on filepool systems. Reinstalling the system from scratch--while not technically challenging--*will* tick me off. Adam
Re: Please tell me I did something stupid
On Mar 17, 2009, at 2:43 PM, Neale Ferguson wrote: The component is cpsfs or cmssfs ... Not cp or cms which are for minidisks. I just tried to run SERVICE ALL RPTF0168 Which, you know, *should* be able to figure it out. It has in the past. Adam
Re: Please tell me I did something stupid
Adam, It looks like SERVICE is trying to service LE instead of LESFS. There are a couple of items in the PSP bucket that have to do with SFS, but the descriptions aren't an exact match for this problem. Did you read all of the ZVM540 subsets and do what they said? It's certainly possible to apply an RSU to a system with maintenance in SFS. I've done it for z/VM 5.4.0. I didn't even customize the system for TCP/IP first. I used an ISFC link to read the RSU file from a first-level system. Dennis O'Brien 39,516 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Adam Thornton Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:36 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: [IBMVM] Please tell me I did something stupid I just installed a virgin z/VM 5.4 with all products on filepool rather than on minidisk. I only tweaked it enough to get a TCPIP stack up and running so that I could FTP the RSU over to it, DETERSE it, and apply service. I've done literally nothing else to the system. 0 * * * Top of File * * * 1 2 SERVICE USERID: MAINT 3 4 Date: 03/17/09Time: 15:30:04 5 6 ST:VMFSRV2195I SERVICE ALL RPTF0168 7 ST:VMFSRV2760I SERVICE processing started 8 ST:VMFSUI2760I VMFSUFIN processing started 9 ST:VMFSUI2760I VMFSUFIN processing started for product 5VMLEN40%LE 00010 ST:VMFSET2760I VMFSETUP processing started for SERVP2P LE 00011 ST:VMFSET2204I Linking MAINT 4C4 as 4C4 with the link mode MR 00012 SV:HCPLNM107E MAINT 04C4 not linked; not in CP directory 00013 SV:VMFSET1965E The command, CP LINK MAINT 4C4 4C4 MR , failed with 00014 SV:return code 107 00015 ST:VMFSET2204I Linking MAINT 4C2 as 4C2 with the link mode MR 00016 SV:HCPLNM107E MAINT 04C2 not linked; not in CP directory 00017 SV:VMFSET1965E The command, CP LINK MAINT 4C2 4C2 MR , failed with 00018 SV:return code 107 00019 ST:VMFSET2204I Linking MAINT 4D2 as 4D2 with the link mode MR 00020 SV:HCPLNM107E MAINT 04D2 not linked; not in CP directory 00021 SV:VMFSET1965E The command, CP LINK MAINT 4D2 4D2 MR , failed with 00022 SV:return code 107 00023 ST:VMFSET2204I Linking MAINT 4A6 as 4A6 with the link mode MR 00024 SV:HCPLNM107E MAINT 04A6 not linked; not in CP directory 00025 SV:VMFSET1965E The command, CP LINK MAINT 4A6 4A6 MR , failed with 00026 SV:return code 107 00027 ST:VMFSET2204I Linking MAINT 4A4 as 4A4 with the link mode MR 00028 SV:HCPLNM107E MAINT 04A4 not linked; not in CP directory 00029 SV:VMFSET1965E The command, CP LINK MAINT 4A4 4A4 MR , failed with 00030 SV:return code 107 00031 ST:VMFSET2204I Linking MAINT 4A2 as 4A2 with the link mode MR 00032 SV:HCPLNM107E MAINT 04A2 not linked; not in CP directory 00033 SV:VMFSET1965E The command, CP LINK MAINT 4A2 4A2 MR , failed with 00034 SV:return code 107 00035 ST:VMFSET2204I Linking MAINT 4B2 as 4B2 with the link mode MR 00036 SV:HCPLNM107E MAINT 04B2 not linked; not in CP directory 00037 SV:VMFSET1965E The command, CP LINK MAINT 4B2 4B2 MR , failed with 00038 SV:return code 107 00039 ST:VMFSET2760I VMFSETUP processing completed unsuccessfully 00040 SV:VMFSUI1965E The command, VMFSETUP, failed with return code 100 when 00041 SV:issued with the argument(s): SERVP2P LE (LINK NOPROMPT 00042 SV:RETAIN D 00043 ST:VMFSET2760I VMFSETUP processing started for DETACH LE 00044 ST:VMFSET2760I VMFSETUP processing completed successfully 00045 ST:VMFSUI2760I VMFSUFIN processing completed unsuccessfully 00046 ST:VMFSUI1211I An Initial Restart Record has been created for package 00047 ST:RPTF0168 in the System-Level Restart Table 00048 SV:VMFSRV1965E The command, VMFSUFIN, failed with return code 100 when 00049 SV:issued with the argument(s): ALL ( NOPROMPT RSUENV 00050 SV:RPTF0168 00051 WN:VMFSRV2310W Service restart file, SERVICE $RESTART A, has been created 00052 WN:due to errors. Correct the errors, and restart SERVICE 00053 WN:using the following command: 00054 WN:SERVICE RESTART RPTF0168 00055 ST:VMFSRV2760I SERVICE processing completed unsuccessfully Someone please say Adam, you're an idiot, you obviously forgot the somethingorother and not Oh! Wow. Yeah, you're right! The RSU doesn't actually work on filepool systems. Reinstalling the system from scratch--while not technically challenging--*will* tick me off. Adam
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On Mar 17, 2009, at 2:53 PM, O'Brien, Dennis L wrote: Adam, It looks like SERVICE is trying to service LE instead of LESFS. There are a couple of items in the PSP bucket that have to do with SFS, but the descriptions aren't an exact match for this problem. Did you read all of the ZVM540 subsets and do what they said? All I did was download the RSU and then follow the Service Procedure paragraph on the Quick Install Guide. U. I didn't run instvm dvd after doing the installation. Hmmm. Let's see if that does the trick. The messages look very promising. yeah, that was it. I did in fact do something stupid, and that was to not actually run instvm dvd after the DVD install. Thanks! Service is proceeding now. Adam
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On Tuesday, 03/17/2009 at 04:11 EDT, Adam Thornton athorn...@sinenomine.net wrote: All I did was download the RSU and then follow the Service Procedure paragraph on the Quick Install Guide. Because there's only so much you can put on one page and have it remain legible, the Quick Guides are going away. As this illustrates, they have outlived their usefulness and now pose a clear and present danger to society. (Please don't leave a copy of a Quick Install Guide in a crib - choking hazard.) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
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On Mar 17, 2009, at 5:03 PM, Alan Altmark wrote: On Tuesday, 03/17/2009 at 04:11 EDT, Adam Thornton athorn...@sinenomine.net wrote: All I did was download the RSU and then follow the Service Procedure paragraph on the Quick Install Guide. Because there's only so much you can put on one page and have it remain legible, the Quick Guides are going away. As this illustrates, they have outlived their usefulness and now pose a clear and present danger to society. (Please don't leave a copy of a Quick Install Guide in a crib - choking hazard.) BOO! HISS!!! I will *read* a one page guide. Although I will apparently SKIP WHOLE STEPS, like INSTVM DVD. a 300 page manual? Not so much. So, any idea why the DOSINST and CMSDOS segments didn't want to rebuild (I stupidly had CF1 accessed and was screwing around with SYSTEM CONFIG while PUT2PROD was running, so I had to rebuild CMS and all the segments the old-fashioned way)? I seem to recall this failing before sometime. I don't think I've ever actually used those segments, so I doubt it matters. Adam
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Umm -- how about 2 pages or 3 .. a foldout like all those 'quick start' guides I get with just about anything I purchase nowadays? There's got to be a happy medium between a single page and several hundred? (oops - and I see that Adam is maybe wondering the same?) Scott p.s. I'll even put up with a crib-free warning ;-) On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.comwrote: On Tuesday, 03/17/2009 at 04:11 EDT, Adam Thornton athorn...@sinenomine.net wrote: All I did was download the RSU and then follow the Service Procedure paragraph on the Quick Install Guide. Because there's only so much you can put on one page and have it remain legible, the Quick Guides are going away. As this illustrates, they have outlived their usefulness and now pose a clear and present danger to society. (Please don't leave a copy of a Quick Install Guide in a crib - choking hazard.) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
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OK, so now instead of reading some we will read nothing. After you have done something 20 times you do not need a 3000 page manual, you need something quick. I vote to keep them. David Dean Information Systems *bcbstauthorized* From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Adam Thornton Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 6:09 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Please tell me I did something stupid On Mar 17, 2009, at 5:03 PM, Alan Altmark wrote: On Tuesday, 03/17/2009 at 04:11 EDT, Adam Thornton athorn...@sinenomine.net wrote: All I did was download the RSU and then follow the Service Procedure paragraph on the Quick Install Guide. Because there's only so much you can put on one page and have it remain legible, the Quick Guides are going away. As this illustrates, they have outlived their usefulness and now pose a clear and present danger to society. (Please don't leave a copy of a Quick Install Guide in a crib - choking hazard.) BOO! HISS!!! I will *read* a one page guide. Although I will apparently SKIP WHOLE STEPS, like INSTVM DVD. a 300 page manual? Not so much. So, any idea why the DOSINST and CMSDOS segments didn't want to rebuild (I stupidly had CF1 accessed and was screwing around with SYSTEM CONFIG while PUT2PROD was running, so I had to rebuild CMS and all the segments the old-fashioned way)? I seem to recall this failing before sometime. I don't think I've ever actually used those segments, so I doubt it matters. Adam - Please see the following link for the BlueCross BlueShield of Tennessee E-mail disclaimer: http://www.bcbst.com/email_disclaimer.shtm
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So, any idea why the DOSINST and CMSDOS segments didn't want to rebuild (I stupidly had CF1 accessed and was screwing around with SYSTEM CONFIG while PUT2PROD was running, so I had to rebuild CMS and all the segments the old-fashioned way)? I seem to recall this failing before sometime. I don't think I've ever actually used those segments, so I doubt it matters. Adam, I'll repeat my comment about the PSP bucket. This one is in there, although strangely, it's in the CP subset, not CMS. Dennis O'Brien 39,516 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Adam Thornton Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 15:09 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] Please tell me I did something stupid On Mar 17, 2009, at 5:03 PM, Alan Altmark wrote: On Tuesday, 03/17/2009 at 04:11 EDT, Adam Thornton athorn...@sinenomine.net wrote: All I did was download the RSU and then follow the Service Procedure paragraph on the Quick Install Guide. Because there's only so much you can put on one page and have it remain legible, the Quick Guides are going away. As this illustrates, they have outlived their usefulness and now pose a clear and present danger to society. (Please don't leave a copy of a Quick Install Guide in a crib - choking hazard.) BOO! HISS!!! I will *read* a one page guide. Although I will apparently SKIP WHOLE STEPS, like INSTVM DVD. a 300 page manual? Not so much. So, any idea why the DOSINST and CMSDOS segments didn't want to rebuild (I stupidly had CF1 accessed and was screwing around with SYSTEM CONFIG while PUT2PROD was running, so I had to rebuild CMS and all the segments the old-fashioned way)? I seem to recall this failing before sometime. I don't think I've ever actually used those segments, so I doubt it matters. Adam
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I also vote for keeping the Quick Guides... I think they are the best thing since sliced bread! The only suggestion I would make would be to 'simplify'; them by completely separating the 1st level and 2nd level install instructions,. I find that skipping around the other parts causes more problems than anything else. Mike C. M. (Mike) Hammock Sr. Technical Advisor IBM System Z Solutions Mainline Information Systems (404) 643-3258 mike.hamm...@mainline.com Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us. ibm.com To Sent by: The IBM IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU z/VM Operating cc System ib...@listserv.u Subject ARK.EDU Re: Please tell me I did something stupid 03/17/2009 06:17 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System ib...@listserv.u ARK.EDU On Tuesday, 03/17/2009 at 04:11 EDT, Adam Thornton athorn...@sinenomine.net wrote: All I did was download the RSU and then follow the Service Procedure paragraph on the Quick Install Guide. Because there's only so much you can put on one page and have it remain legible, the Quick Guides are going away. As this illustrates, they have outlived their usefulness and now pose a clear and present danger to society. (Please don't leave a copy of a Quick Install Guide in a crib - choking hazard.) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott This e-mail and files transmitted with it are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you are not one of the named recipient(s) or otherwise have reason to believe that you received this message in error, please immediately notify sender by e-mail, and destroy the original message. Thank You.
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Ditto here. Installing VMWare is a 90 page booklet. The one page install was a great comparison. On 3/17/09 9:45 PM, Mike Hammock mike.hamm...@mainline.com wrote: I also vote for keeping the Quick Guides... I think they are the best thing since sliced bread!
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On Tuesday, 03/17/2009 at 09:45 EDT, Mike Hammock mike.hamm...@mainline.com wrote: I also vote for keeping the Quick Guides... I think they are the best thing since sliced bread! The only suggestion I would make would be to 'simplify'; them by completely separating the 1st level and 2nd level install instructions,. I find that skipping around the other parts causes more problems than anything else. I appreciate the sentiments. We are not particularly happy about getting rid of them, but their time had come. In order to keep it to one page, the page was going to have to grow to a non-standard piece of paper because the font was too small, both from an IBM printing standards perspective and based on complaints from sysprogs. Non-standard = more costly to produce. We will instead supply some sort of abbreviated installation/service procedure as part of the book. It won't skip steps, but neither will it have the voluminous explanations of the primary text. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
