Re: [ilugd] Android users here?
Re: Google contacts/syncing/privacy Contacts syncing in Android is not limited to Google Servers. There are lot of different services it can sync with (e.g. gmail/facebook/twitter/funambol servers, etc). Just a contacts sync adapter is needed. This is for ease of use so that you can contact your contacts from your phone as well as web. You can even run your own server and sync your contacts data easily with that to get the best of both worlds (privacy vs ease of use). -- http://twitter.com/shantanugoel http://tech.shantanugoel.com/ http://www.safercode.com/blog/ http://blog.shantanugoel.com/ ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Gaming hardware - compatibility?
Does anybody here use gaming hardware - like joysticks / steering wheels? Would there be any compatibility issues? Yes, I've used various logitech gamepads, my PS3 gamepad, my PS3 guitar hero guitar controller with Ubuntu without any issues. Thanks Shantanu -- http://twitter.com/shantanugoel http://tech.shantanugoel.com/ http://www.safercode.com/blog/ http://blog.shantanugoel.com/ ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Gaming hardware - compatibility?
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Mahesh T. Pai paiva...@gmail.com wrote: Shantanu Goel said on Fri, Sep 03, 2010 at 11:59:37AM +0530,: Yes, I've used various logitech gamepads, my PS3 gamepad, my PS3 guitar hero guitar controller with Ubuntu without any issues. What is a guitar controller? It's just a guitar shaped game controller instead of the regular gamepad, with some extra knobs etc -- http://twitter.com/shantanugoel http://tech.shantanugoel.com/ http://www.safercode.com/blog/ http://blog.shantanugoel.com/ ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] iptables + selective proxying of connections
Hi I need some help on iptables if anyone knows about it here. I have a linux based router and 3 machines (A, B, C) that connect it to access the internet. I need to selectively route a couple of these machines through proxy server(s) while keeping the 3rd machine's connection untouched. I am guessing that I should be able to find an answer through iptables. Please let me know if someone has done something like this before. The router has most linux commands and tools available on it. BTW, the complete end situation would be something like this. There are 2 proxy servers, 1 running on the router itself (192.168.0.1:8080) and another on machine A (192.168.0.2:8080). Machine A (192.168.0.2) also has a direct/unproxified connection to the internet through the router. Machine B (192.168.0.3)'s traffic is automatically redirected by the router through Machine A's proxy server. Machine C (192.168.0.4)'s traffic is automatically redirected by the router through it's own proxy server. A bit of detail about why I want to do this is that A is my main machine which I use regularly and don't want its connection to be proxified. B has some programs running which I need to test through a custom proxy that I run over machine A. Since this is a custom proxy and not compilable for my router's architecture, I need to run it on my PC A. C is an embedded device that constantly accesses some similar data in a certain time range and I'm trying to optimize its net usage by using a popular caching proxy on the router (it has a hard disk attached for the cache). C is always on even when A is not on so I need its corresponding proxy to be on router. Also, is it possible to do this on-the-fly, i.e. I don't have to restart any service that leads to breaking of connection or atleast not having to reboot the router. Thanks Shantanu -- http://tech.shantanugoel.com/ http://www.safercode.com/blog/ http://blog.shantanugoel.com/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Definition for Computer Literate Person
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:17 PM, narendra sisodiya narendra.sisod...@gmail.com wrote: wow... good question... Let us set a definition of Computer Literate. *Computer Literate is a person who can install (reinstall) GNU/Linux Distro, (like Ubuntu or Fedora) on his system and he should be able to use common desktop utilities like Firefox and OpenOffice. Also he should know some basic of Free and Open Source Software. in adddtion he should be able to open his PC cabinet and reasemble the PC hardware.* -- Narendra, I think you need to spend some thoughts to set a definition of what a computer is, before going on to the definition of computer literate. :P Anand, You framed the question quite nicely. And I think that the link you gave correctly expresses the definition of the term in the context you provided, but you might want to forego the recommended skills part from that page.. Regards Shantanu -- http://tech.shantanugoel.com/ http://www.safercode.com/blog/ http://blog.shantanugoel.com/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [Very-old-topic] Distro having best compatibility with MS related products
~Connect to Windows Terminal Server for remote operations tsclient comes in almost all distros. Can be used easily. ~Mail Exchanging (Mail server is MS Exchange) and all other clients are Outlook Dont know about this. ~Intranet website has issues with Firefox(Well, honestly doesn't work on anything other then IE) No distro gives option for this but you can try installing IEs4Linux. It works but has issues while closing, leaves zombie processes for me. ~Extensive work in Office Suite, full compatibility with MS Office is a high priority. No option for full compatibility in any distro or otherwise. Thanks Shantanu -- http://tech.shantanugoel.com/ http://www.safercode.com/blog/ http://blog.shantanugoel.com/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] google selling unlocked android G1 in india
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Pratul Kalia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [roach-bite] hope to see quite a few of you toting a google android G1 at the http://freed.in event on feb 20 and 21.[/roach-bite] here's the link to the android story: http://www.techtree.com/India/News/Google_Selling_Unlocked_G1_Phones_in_India/551-96192-613.html Damn, its too expensive. ($400 for phone, $25 for Android Market subscription) Damn, its on Java. Damn, I can get a Freerunner for that money :-P Not just that, you still haven't added the cost of shipping, customs, tax etc. I bet it'll add another 150-250$ to the price atleast. I read that even for canada, it was coming out to be close to 200$. -- http://tech.shantanugoel.com/ http://www.safercode.com/blog/ http://blog.shantanugoel.com/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Offline wikipedia...
Nice!!! :) BTW, I have used some offline wikipedia solutions on my windows mobile phone a couple of few years back (Don't remember their names now but they were quite popular). Did you happen to look at them? Don't also remember whether they were open source or not but might give u a few ideas to prevent you from reinventing the wheel, if such a case happens. -- http://tech.shantanugoel.com/ http://www.safercode.com/blog/ http://blog.shantanugoel.com/ On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:54 PM, shantanu choudhary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, Here is the link to a project http://code.google.com/p/offline-wikipedia/ . I have been working on this idea from last two months or so.Although in this ever-connecting world via internet, this idea seems to be obsolete, but right now we are far away from that situation(atleast 2 years). And untill then i think this application might prove handy. Target of this project is to come out with DVD distribution, having all the content of english wikipedia, and if some-one wishes to install it, it should be able to do so in less then 5G space(One can give that much space given the cheap rates of memmory now a days) and finally make it good enough that it can make upto this link http://download.wikimedia.org/dvd.html . Now here are some links for some attempts made to create offline wikipedia already among these i have worked around first one heavily as it seemed to me as more logical and complete: 1. http://users.softlab.ece.ntua.gr/~ttsiod/buildWikipediaOffline.htmlhttp://users.softlab.ece.ntua.gr/%7Ettsiod/buildWikipediaOffline.html 2. http://code.google.com/p/bzreader/ 3. http://code.google.com/p/daluang/ 4. http://code.google.com/p/pyswim/ All of this ideas(except last one) work around using compressed xml file provided by mediawiki.(http://download.wikimedia.org/) First one among above mentioned list uses mediawiki parser itself to convert xml to html. Now here i had to create equivalent python parser for the same. Second one is a browser which allows you to read xml content, which renders articles in some to make them readable. Third and fourth are i guess more near to my approach but they are using them for i guess chinese and indonasian content of wikipedia. All in all except from first link no-one else attempted to create working offline english-wikipedia. Right now i have a working configuration but it will take around 4G of space, i am looking for place to host it, and will post it as soon as it is done, until then i thought it would be good to at least share the idea, and get some feed-back/reaction. As far as future is concerned, it can be ported to work on OLPC-sugar, once it meets all requirements, can be distributed as DVD's just like Britanica or encarta(both are propritory). I have tried to explain everythin in readme files and Install files, but still in case some-one wants more direction or help can contact me off-the-list. -- Regards Shantanu ps: Thanks to nandeep(n9986) for last minute commits, due to which code base of project became some-what presentable. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Compiling Online With GCC
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Sankarshan (সঙ্কর্ষণ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chirag Anand wrote: We are hosting a programming competition in our college this weekend. We have a RHEL 4 server in our college on which we are planning to upload the code, compile the code there only and matching with the output. The problem is, that we want everyone to do all this from their rooms, from where the server is directly accessible. We dont people to go to labs and code. This will increase participation. But i am not able to find a script that does this, which can be run on the server through apache. I understand that you might not want to create separate home dir's for all students on one server as that would be too many. I'm sure there should be some kind of solution there for network compilation of local code. When I was in college, a person had made a small project for this. However, if you are not able to find such a thing, something can be cooked up using php and shell scripts. I'm not good in php, but a simple solution that requires minimal coding in php that I can think of is to use wordpress and cforms plugin. Step 1. Just create a page in wordpress, and create a simple form in cforms to allow uploading of zip files. (All this is WYSIWYG so far) Step 2. Cforms gives you the ability to hook in your functions to work on uploaded files. You can create a simple hook to unzip the uploaded file into a directory for the username given in the form or the ip address of the PC from which it was uploaded. Step 3. Then exec your shell script that runs gcc to compile it and compares the output with the expected ones. Regards Shantanu -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Compiling Online With GCC
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Shantanu Goel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure there should be some kind of solution there for network compilation of local code. When I was in college, a person had made a small project for this. BTW, anyone has any ideas on whether distcc would work with only one server (Chirag's RHEL server) running the distcc daemon. I've never used distcc, just heard/read about it, hence the doubt. -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Suggestions for an ipod alternative
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Bibek Paudel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, My friend recently broke his ipod. We are trying to get a new portable music player. We don't want to pay Apple to develop DRM infected products. Something, that would come with Rockbox (or some other free firmware)preinstalled. Some compromises on features and convenience for a free music player wouldn't hurt. Please send in your suggestions. Bibek Cowon makes excellent DAPs/PMPs. I'm not sure how free they are but most models are built around linux, so they can be *checked out*. (Though their latest one is based on flash) -Shantz -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] L4Linux
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Mani A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: L4Linux is a port of the Linux kernel to the L4 µ-kernel API. It is a (para-)virtualized Linux running on top of a hypervisor, completely without privileges if wanted. L4Linux runs in user-mode on top of the µ-kernel, side-by-side with other µ-kernel applications such as real-time components. It is binary-compatible with the normal Linux/x86 kernel and can be used with any PC-based Linux distribution. The DROPS operating system project supports running time-sharing and real-time applications applications concurrently on one computer. The L4Linux server has been originally created to support time-sharing applications. The port provides us with a basis platform for future development work. Compared to monolithic Linux, there is a small performance tradeoff because of the µ-kernel architecture. However, the initial L4Linux has been somewhat optimized, and on L4/x86 it has a very acceptable slowdown of less than 4 % for any relevant load. See http://os.inf.tu-dresden.de/L4/LinuxOnL4/doc.shtml http://os.inf.tu-dresden.de/L4 Just for info, L4 is very extensively used in my company's products (embedded devices), so much so that it has replaced our own in-house OS completely for our devices. (What exactly are our devices? Hint: They are part of some of the most coveted thingies these days and we even discussed one of them a few days ago here on this list ;) ) -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Hardware for Software??
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Prakhar Agarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I read this article: *Title:* Windows 7 will be MS' answer to Vista's faults *Link*: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/3649393.cms** It is mentioned between the lines that Microsoft is working with PC makers to make the hardware compatible with Windows 7 and readily available in market. My dilemma is- We make software for hardware or vice versa?? What is the right approach? I feel the former is logically and traditionally correct. Lets see what everyone has to say. Cheers! -- Prakhar Agarwal Prakhar, the statement is partially correct. Basically this implies two things: 1. MS works with PC makers to make sure that their hardware configurations are capable of running windows, (certified that the configuration will work with windows) 2. MS also fixes issues found in windows during this exercise and/or create/accept/certify drivers/bios etc for different hw.. -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] apple iphone versus android
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my conclusion: the human hand was designed to also unclench its fist, open its palm, and give and receive. a closed proprietary paradigm won't make a digital handheld in the age of freedom. apple hubris all over again. except this time, the world has learnt its lessons even if apple hasn't. thus we'll be wary of microsoft-like predatory greed, and embrace muft and mukt paradigms instead. I have some concerns about the open-ness of android. I've been reading that barring the kernel part, most of the things developed over it are licensed under ASL (Apache Software License). And this means that companies can take it, modify it and release the product still as closed source. Moreover I just read a blog post by someone today who compared Android not to linux but a glorified java run time (and that too, one that departs from the standards), and I tend to agree as of now (from the limited exposure i have with android, i must add as a disclaimer). -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] apple iphone versus android
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Kumar Appaiah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 02:56:44PM +0530, shantanu goel wrote: I have some concerns about the open-ness of android. I've been reading that barring the kernel part, most of the things developed over it are licensed under ASL (Apache Software License). And this means that companies can take it, modify it and release the product still as closed source. Isn't this the case with other software which is BSD or Apache licensed too? Is your disapproval of that form of open-ness based on philosophical disagreement with that (non-GPL) practice or with this product in particular? My concern is a bit with this philosophy in general and much more with Android in particular. This is because while for other computer based sw we would generally see an ASL/BSD based product being picked up by both kinds of ppl/companies (those who open source it later on and those who close it down), in a handset market, you can almost always be sure that operators would lock it down to keep their control over it. Basically, my point is that before we hail android as the Next Best Thing, we have to wait and watch some more.. -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] How to see , what svn updates are available using command line..
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 4:50 PM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I want similar functionality in svn, So that i can see what updates are available... any pointer... svn --show-updates -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Important : In support of Raj Thackeray...
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 24 Oct 2008, sumit...left d stone age. wrote: Dear Ballu bhai After all the 'Raj Thackeray issue', I have realised that we should support him in the following ways please read this and spread this message across the country. Use the power of forwarding mails today!!! * Very interesting, and totally relevant to a mailing list devoted to the discussion of Linux and FOSS in and around Delhi. What are we going to get next, a list of your favourite daal-makhani recipes? I think it's that Ballu phenomenon again. Sumit, I guess you have kept ILUGD mailing list address as your Ballu's address. Please modify your contact list and mail to him directly instead of sending messages through the list. -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] The Google Cookie Conspiracy
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:56 PM, amar akshat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SirI shall be rather very proud to acknowledge you that I was certified by EC Council at a program in Delhi. Don't want to undermine your credibility or anything but a 5 day certification program (with dozens of modules and even the test stuffed in this duration) plus a website made in Micrsoft office/frontpage with spaces in urls hardly implies authority. would be it suited if you shoot that to Google. If my concept or opinion was wrong my paper would have not even accepted @ IAENG and IEEE. Or is it you proclaim to be sound than IEEE and IAENG.?? I just wanted to convey that at times result monitoring may be wrong and shal be avoided.! That is why I had asked you to provide links to the news article (which I found on google though) and your papers to actually know what you are talking/writing about. Once again, I'm not questioning your abilities, I'm sure you must be quite good in your fields, just asking you to mail sincerely with details. Regards Shantanu ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] The Google Cookie Conspiracy
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come on, come out now and admit it. You really are Ankit Fadia, are you not? Hahaha, that was a good one Gora. I recently met a group of final year students from a delhi engg. college who had attended a 2 day workshop with Ankit fadia and had were overawed with his hacking skills (read running ip/port scanning/spoofing scripts and key loggers. The most advanced *technique* being capturing cleartext http packets in wireshark) -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] android source released
http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] The Google Cookie Conspiracy
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 12:46 PM, amar akshat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All I recently had my paper accepted for publication in IAENG conference WCECS 2008 @ San Francisco regarding Google Cookies. The paper title was Security Mutation Algorithm For Google Print and Google Search Security Deficiency. Now after all the hue and cry in the world Google finally changed the cookie policy to 2 years expiry. Wired.com even covered the news. I would like the house to shed light on Google Cookie Conspiracy. Hi Amar Could you please give us some links for the paper, news story etc? Thanks Shantanu PS: Marking the subject as [OT] -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Understanding the GNU GPL definition of free software. Is The classification of free and commercial Linux Distribution is incorrect.?
[all content snipped] Please Mr. Yatnatti. if you must continue the debate (which btw is more of a monologue), please, please, please, puhll DO NOT create new threads, by combining all sorts of sources together to form one incoherent and painfully long statement. I'm not asking you to stop posting (though I have a feeling that I should), please do not create new threads to rake up the same thing again and again which has been discussed at length now. Even if you feel that it has not reached a conclusion, it means that either you are not able to understand anyone or no one is qualified enough to solve this. In either case, there is no point in continuing this. Hope you understand this and stop this issue or atleast stop creating new threads so that I know which thread to avoid while going through the mails. Thanks Shantanu -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Open Office 3.0 Online
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone was asking about making presentations online (can't find that mail thread right now so making a new chain). I just came across this site http://www.ulteo.com that will give online access to Open Office 3.0. What's more is that it gives access to many other Doesn't Google Docs do that too? Swapnil Swapnil, Google docs is very different from ulteo as I wrote earlier as a reply to narendra as well. Ulteo gives you a VNC/Remote desktop like access to a linux desktop (KDE environs), with native/unchanged access to full-featured open source apps like open office, firefox, kopete, etc etc. Here you are _not_ working in a web-based interface, instead it is the same as, e.g., you boot into your PC, double click on open office writer and write away. (Basically, if you remove the window decorations around the browser window, you will not even notice that you are working in a browser, it will be like a virtual desktop) -Shantz -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Open Office 3.0 Online
Hi Someone was asking about making presentations online (can't find that mail thread right now so making a new chain). I just came across this site http://www.ulteo.com that will give online access to Open Office 3.0. What's more is that it gives access to many other open source apps online, e.g. firefox,kopete, thunderbird, etc.. What's more is that they claim that there virtual app subsystem is open-source as well. (I haven't downloaded their CDs to check this though) Check it out. Thanks Shantanu -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Open Office 3.0 Online
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:26 AM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: have you seen opengoo ( http://demo.opengoo.org ) , slimey ( http://slimey.sourceforge.net/slimey/slimey.html ) ?? ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Narendra, They are quite different from Ulteo. The sites that you mentioned have their own systems, plus they have office-only offerings. Ulteo seems to be much more (something equivalent to citrix). They give online access to existing apps like firefox, open office, kopete, skype, and much more, thereby removing any kind of learning curve and full functionality. -Shantz -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Mailing List Software - MailMan - Hacking and Coding (not Cracking!!!)
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Nalin Savara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi People... Any folks around here who've fooled around with mailing list software ? Need some hints. Specifically; I want to know--- (1) I assume that for each of the various types of transactions, the processing will happen in stages:-- a) Mail Recvd at Mail Server b.1 Software checks if a mail is a command to mail server-- command processing happens. b.2 Software checks if a given list it's subscribers only OR if list is open-to-all; if subscribers only, then it checks if sender a subscriber. c) Mail sent to subscribers who get individual mails; and stored for sending to people who want mail digests. d) When Cron run detects a 24 hr or more gap since last digest send--- digest mail sent to all. I assume that the code will have points where handlers can be added; and also a possible API to let users add their own hook-handlers. Anyone who knows more abt this code, please feel free to talk about it. Also, anyone who can illustrate/share file structure OR share information about existing add-ons/special versions that handle above cases--- please feel free to post. Thanks and Best Regards, NS ps: my apologies incase above mail is too technical OR terse-- but ok.. thats the nature of this subject! Nalin, I guess it'd better for you if you take a particular list manager for ur quest and understanding, e.g., you can use mailman as you wanted to do it for ILUG-D. Now, for mailman, through a cursory search on their site (in developers' section, which should be the first place to hit to get the info) I couldn't see any talk about a plugin system. So, they might not have such an api exposed to 3rd parties, so you may have to go with the patch approach.. -Shantz -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Airtel blocking IRC - Undernet
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Arun SAG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just use webbased irc guyswww.mibbit.com On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Shiv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Ive noticed that Airtel is blocking access to the Undernet IRC servers. I am able to connect to freenode. Any ideas why, and how does one go around it using Chatzilla and/or Tor? I'm on airtel and connecting to undernet works fine for me. I tried through xchat. Are you guys sure you don't have a basic problem like blocked ports or need to do forward some ports in your router/modem? -Shantz -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Openmoko, Symbian, Android
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 1:42 AM, Frederick Noronha [फ़रेदरिक नोरोनया] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any clues on how these compare on mobiles? Particularly Openmoko and Android? Would the C/C++ thingy be a negative mark for Openmoko? I Actually, as far as I'm concerned, that is a good thing (ability to program natively in C/C++) for openmoko. So far, Android only provides a java-like managed environment to developers which can be a put off for many people because of app size/performance related issues and more importantly, it'll take some time before the complete functionality is available in this environment as compared to the interfaces available to native programmers. -Shantz -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Cross compile for 32 bit, missing libdbus-glib-1.so
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 7:57 PM, shantanu goel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I'm cross-compiling an application to 32 bit arch. My app uses dbus-glib bindings. My base system is Ubuntu Hardy 64, so I use the -m32 flag with gcc to compile but it gives me an error of missing libdbus-glib-1.so. All other libs are present as I've already installed gcc-multilib, ia32libs etc packages and am also able to cross compile other applications that don't depend on this particular library. Any suggestions which package to install to get this 32 bit lib onto my system? Got the solution to it on ubuntuforums, thought of posting it here as well if someone finds it useful. getlibs did it for me. It automatically downloaded and installed the required i386 package. (On second thoughts I could have done the same by downloading that package manually and opening it up and hand copying the required .so to /usr/lib32 as default install directly would have overwritten the 64 bit version in /usr/lib, but getlibs does it automatically saving a bit of time plus it can do this for all the needed libraries for a particular executable, probably by discovering using ldd) Linky: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=474790 -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Is it illegal to redistribute RHEL? Open Letter To Linux For You India print Magzine India
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:18 PM, M.S.Yatnatti CEO KPN UNLIMITD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Praveen, Thank you for participating in the debate.Are you educating the open FOSS community that any body can club all individual GPL software into one Mega software collection under one umbrella using anaconda or Yum which is also GPL and make non-free commercial software=RHEL . Still simple club all GPL = non free commercial .Please educate me .Is it for this day Foss was born .Community make GPL Software and commercial entities take benefit with simple trick .This debate shall continue until, we have clear idea how to defeat GPL violators. M.S.Yatnatti MSY, Well, only thing RH stops you from doing is that if you copy and distribute RHEL then your copied CDs/DVDs should not bear RHEL name or logo, which is understandable IMHO. And I think in that interview which you are pointing out, the RHEL spokesperson had clearly said the exact same thing that you can freely copy and redistribute but just need to remove the RHEL name and logo. -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Cross compile for 32 bit, missing libdbus-glib-1.so
Hi I'm cross-compiling an application to 32 bit arch. My app uses dbus-glib bindings. My base system is Ubuntu Hardy 64, so I use the -m32 flag with gcc to compile but it gives me an error of missing libdbus-glib-1.so. All other libs are present as I've already installed gcc-multilib, ia32libs etc packages and am also able to cross compile other applications that don't depend on this particular library. Any suggestions which package to install to get this 32 bit lib onto my system? My Compile command: gcc -Wall -O `pkg-config --cflags dbus-1 glib-2.0 dbus-glib-1` `pkg-config --libs dbus-1 glib-2.0 dbus-glib-1` marshal.c main.c -o splert Errors: /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.2.3/../../../libdbus-glib-1.so when searching for -ldbus-glib-1 /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.2.3/../../../libdbus-glib-1.a when searching for -ldbus-glib-1 /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/bin/../lib/libdbus-glib-1.so when searching for -ldbus-glib-1 /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/bin/../lib/libdbus-glib-1.a when searching for -ldbus-glib-1 /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libdbus-glib-1.so when searching for -ldbus-glib-1 /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libdbus-glib-1.a when searching for -ldbus-glib-1 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ldbus-glib-1 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status -Regards Shantanu -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
BTW, Canonical/Ubuntu started a new upstream report today (though I don't know how much to read into this as of now): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Upstream/UpstreamReport https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+upstreamreport -Shantz -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] { Idea } Taking ScreenShot While installing Linux OS
2008/9/30 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Can somebody make a script based on this command to take screenshot while installation of any Linux OS * Press Ctrl+Alt+F2 * mount a external drive or any unused partition * xwd -root | xwdtopnm | pnmtopng Screenshot1.png * You need to modify it for taking screenshot from command line, need to set display variable, from X it is working fine. * You may modify it for taking screenshot automatically . PS1: Do anybody has any wired thought for X screenrecording while installation, You may need to install packages to the running OS by which you are installing, debian-installer has such a thing built in. http://wiki.debian.org/ScreenShots#debian-instsaller-gui I haven't seen how it works under the hood, maybe same thing can be ported to other distros. Screencording might require much more efforts though.. -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux Software Installer Howto
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Nalin Savara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi People... A QUick question; for some basics. Assume I have a ubuntu (or ubuntu studio) linux install. Also, assume that I have a JAR file--- in which there's a class exposing a main() function--- which runs perfectly-- on a system with latest JDK--- when I click the JAR file. How to create a 1-click installer OR web-installer for that ? Is there some script or package--- with which I can package it the way one packages MSI files on windows-- so that the script/installer copies the jar file into appropriate directories-- and creates desktop and Applications-menu shortcuts to the jar file ? I'm not sure if installation is any different for jar files, but if all you want is copying files around, creating shortcuts, (and running custom scripts during installation, e.g., to check for updates, fetch more files from internet, or open registration dialogues etc), for ubuntu you can use deb packages and for fedora/redhat u can use rpm packages. I don't have experience with creating an rpm package but did a few debs and they are quite simple to make and I guess there is something called alien which will let you convert these debs into other package formats and vice versa. -Shantz -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux Software Installer Howto
I did visit build.opensuse.org and read some pages on that site. Based on my first glance there are quite a few open loops in my understanding of the same. If you have used build.opensuse.org; then can you please take a moment to talk a bit about the steps you went through, to build a installer package and for which distro ? I would really appreciate that. Also, if there are some installer packages for some software you built for ubuntu (s/w you wrote, not standard linux packages)--- which you can talk about/share with me (installer packages only, not source code)--- I would appreciate that also. Thanks in Anticipation and Regards, NS ps: even I will try to collect my thoughts/doubts about openSuse build service; but meanwhile if you could drop a mail answering the above-- I would be really thankful. Nalin, For ubuntu/debian and their derivative distros, there are quite a few docs on building deb packages on the ubuntu wiki, a simple search will lead u to them. However, the easiest way to get started (not that the manual way is any tough) to install checkinstall program in ubuntu. Create a makefile with install target and list out what actions you want. Then run checkinstall, fill in the menu driven form fields and voila! package is ready. (For example debs that i created, you can look at some of them in the downloads section on my tech blog, e.g. take a look at shantz-xwinwrap, splert, etc) -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] In Debian Lenny, VLC can't play AVI
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Kumar Appaiah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Swapnil Bhartiya writes: I recently installed Debian Lenny (network install), but I am unable to play DivX or avi files. It could play mpeg files though. Also, can someone please share his working source.list list for Lenny? I recommend the w32codecs package from Debian Multimedia. Here are the sources.list entries: http://debian-multimedia.org/debian-m.php HTH. Kumar But I think VLC doesn't require any codecs to be installed separately. Isn't that the whole premise/benefit of VLC that codecs are built in? -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT]Openmoko availability in India
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Sharninder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have few queries regarding openmoko , May be somebody can answer! (probably Deepank) How can i order openmoko , What will be the service terms for the openmoko phone ?, Is anybody on list using the openmoko phone ? How do we compare it with HTC i-touch ? I don't know about the service terms etc., but the openmoko site does list a Jaipur based company as the distributor for openmoko. Its idasystems (http://www.idasystems.net/freerunner) However, it is not clear whether they are franchises or just resellers. Because all they do when u order is that order the US store on ur behalf, get it and deliver it to u. They explicitly mention the DHL service charge added to the price. Customer Service/etc option could not be found. You cannot compare it to HTC Touch (What's i-touch?) because everything is different. Hardware wise freerunner is much much more powerful (better processing speed, better and more peripherals, etc). Software wise, stack used in both phones is completely diff. Plus diff stacks are available for openmoko itself I think, one that comes with it, another is Qtopia, then i also read that debian has been ported over to freerunner (ah apt-get goodness :) ). User interface is anyways subjective. But only thing is that reliability right now is a bit circumspect, but that is only from what I've read so far, not experienced. -Shantz -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT]Openmoko availability in India
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Shakthi Kannan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. I have tried Openmoko 2008.8, Qtopia and Debian on it. I have used the Qtopia edition as a regular phone. Battery life isn't great. But, it will be fixed in the next release. Did you try out doing any development for it? Do you think it is necessary\overtly beneficial to get the debug board as well? But I don't know whether IDA systems is giving that, there is no mention about it on their site. BTW, did u buy it from IDA or directly from US? -Shantz -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Windblows on Software Freedom Day
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Infiltrating the world of Windows and Mac with FOSS, getting them hooked on free software and eventually tempting them to try the OS itself, might just be a more effective way to get the masses in. (notice how the last line looks like something billg@ might have said about his OS several years back ;) ) - Sandip I admire that piece and completely agree with you. Instead of asking new users to relocate, lets put more and more FOSS things on windows. Once they are ok with Firefox, then OO.o...and much more, it won't be much of an issue pulling off Windows base and replace with complete GNU/Linux system. This is a better approach and something which could work for masses who are not much aware about the vision part of Free Software movement. Regards Swapnil Well, I have a bit of disagreement there. This thread is going into all directions, so lets make it clear that FOSS is not equal to GNU/Linux. They are two separate entities/phenomenons/philosophies. If the aim is to promote FOSS then there is no flaw in the above mentioned approach and FOSS will prosper beyond limits.. BUT if the ultimate aim is to promote GNU/Linux, as Swapnil says, it might snowball into something completely opposite because this means that energies be diverted towards developing apps for Windows base, then where do we get time/energy for development for linux? As it is, we can see lots of apps not getting enough developers. And when I say lots, I actually mean loots. So, in the end we might see the development dying on linux side. And moreover, from the users' perspective as well, it would not be very simple to pull off the windows base and replace with linux. Because the user interaction with FOSS apps on windows will still be governed by windows rules, another thing is that if they already have all the apps on windows, why would they feel the need to switch over to a new environment and learn it all over again? I might be completely wrong here. But this is what I feel right now and wanted to discuss about whether there is something that I'm missing here? -Shantz -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
2008/9/23 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Sandeep Gupta [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 2008/9/23 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Can we code in Hindi???* My answer is NO, and even if we able to code then also it will be of NO use. I do not know , why somebody will run these type of software. Coding in Hindi will be really tuff (at least for me) and more over the worst part may happen on one day when the moronic idealistic and policy maker may introduce computer education of Hindi Coding at junior classes level. Let us not undermine somebody's effort. It takes a lot to think out of the box. I'm pretty sure if the Chaudharys did this for European languages they would have got a lot more than they have it now. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ I am not underestimating the efforts but Have you ever attended any policy making meeting ?? I have and I am sick of their ideologistic approaches and statements... I am worring that they will include this in syllabus some day. I intentionally asking , why we indian, try to reinvent/copy the wheel. PS: Is anybody making effort for deriving newton's law in hindi. Coding is a universal language which has english words. Narendra, Actually you are asking the wrong question. It should have been Can *someone* code in Hindi? (replacing we by someone) You already know a language and so you can't think of programming it somehow else (Isn't that something we already know? Windows ppl don't want to switch to linux because they already know how to work in windows?) But, what if you were to give this to a person who never studied english? I don't have a single piece of doubt that one can code in hindi. After all, its just keywords right, as you accepted? Don't hindi medium schools teach maths in Hindi? As you yourself said, coding is a universal language, someone here is just replacing the keywords. If a 5th class guy can write maan lo instead of let in his maths problem, then what is stopping him to use similar equivalents of all keywords? No one is reinventing/copying the wheel here, what they are trying is that it is easier for a cycle owner to get a cycle tyre so that he doesn't have to necessarily fit in a motorbike's in there.. -Shantz ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Free Software Day Celebrations
Secondly, I was looking at the Barcamp website which Narendra mentioned. India has quite a lot of eveents happening at different places. It has a Delhi chapter also and its being held in the 1st week of october. But i did not understand about the event. I mean what all would be happening there...talks/install fest etc. and on which topics. Is it the same as any other FOSS event?? Chirag, A barcamp is not related to FOSS. It is about blogging/new media/social networks etc. -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
Yes, You are getting the point. BigBang of programming has occured many year before,, We cannot revert or translated whole Internet and Technology to all 50+ local languages of India, So the only Practical and Fast solution is to go with currect software language and with English. [ we Indian will try to develop next technology in Hindi or better in Sanskrit, so we can force rest of the world to follow us ] Narendra, I think that you just concluded something (on similar lines) to we should stop teaching maths, physics, chemistry etc to anyone in non-english medium schools because anyways most of the content available for these subjects is not available in their local language.. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:01 AM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Narendra, I think that you just concluded something (on similar lines) to we should stop teaching maths, physics, chemistry etc to anyone in non-english medium schools because anyways most of the content available for these subjects is not available in their local language.. EXACTLY -- 100% upto the point and very practical thought. WOAH - is the only word I can utter.. Please everyone, stop replying to this thread now, because I think if there was even a semblance of hope left to reason this out, it is extinguished now by the most brilliant remark I've ever seen in my life so far...(Narendra, just so you understand, this sentence was meant to be sarcastic) -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Android ([was] Please don't feed the trolls)
Anyway did you hear about the launch of Android today? Swapnil rant/ No A2DP? No Video Capture? I guess they really really want to compete with iPhone (pros as well as cons withstanding).. BTW, am waiting ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ to see the performance of the phone as everything is running over a managed environment (atleast the user space apps are). What I wish for is to get a true open system where I can program natively and not have to learn java.. -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Android ([was] Please don't feed the trolls)
hmm, smthing messed up my last mail..Here is the content (in sane form) again: rant/ No A2DP? No Video Capture? I guess they really really want to compete with iPhone (pros as well as cons withstanding).. BTW, am waiting to see the performance of the phone as everything is running over a managed environment (atleast the user space apps are). What I wish for is to get a true open system where I can program natively and not have to learn java.. -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:26 AM, shantanu goel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway did you hear about the launch of Android today? Swapnil rant/ No A2DP? No Video Capture? I guess they really really want to compete with iPhone (pros as well as cons withstanding).. BTW, am waiting ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ to see the performance of the phone as everything is running over a managed environment (atleast the user space apps are). What I wish for is to get a true open system where I can program natively and not have to learn java.. -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
2008/9/24 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:21 AM, shantanu goel [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:01 AM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Narendra, I think that you just concluded something (on similar lines) to we should stop teaching maths, physics, chemistry etc to anyone in non-english medium schools because anyways most of the content available for these subjects is not available in their local language.. For me it is very difficult to understand humor and hidden comments. The way I took your thought in simple englsih is following,, *I think that you just concluded something (on similar lines) to we should promote teaching maths, physics, chemistry in English medium because most of the content available for these subjects is available as good English text book, even the text is available in local language , any how they are going to learn or use English in graduation or post graduation time.* I was not saying exactly this in all schools. I was trying to make a anology between this to software. Anyways we went out of track,, lets not talk on math and these things,,, only software You, my friend, just made the case that you should have never studied maths, physics, chemistry (or software, by analogy). :P Please read through your sentence again and you'll understand what I mean. Anyways, no more food for u now..mustcontrol...gaahhh -Shantz ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Android ([was] Please don't feed the trolls)
Also, Google has promised to open-source Android, but it is not open source at the moment. What I wish for is to get a true open system where I can program natively and not have to learn java.. [...] No need to wait: http://openmoko.org Regards, Gora When I wished about the true open system I meant the same thing that u mentioned that I hope that google opens up android as they have promised. About openmoko, I want to get freerunner instead of an android based phone but the problem there i see is, (These could be misinterpretations from what I have read over the intertubes), that the base builds given out aren't very stable and have a lot of issues. I want to have a stable system on top of which I can develop. All the reviews I've read so far are kinda mixed. But this is my fault as well, as I'm wishing for a development platform that I'll also use daily in my regular work. Moreover, one thing is for sure that Android will NEVER be as open as openmoko. There will always be quite a bit of binary blobs in there to protect a lot of IP. -Shantz -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Windblows on Software Freedom Day
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 22 Sep 2008, shantanu goel wrote: [snip] Now, instead of straightaway taking a call, my question is as to the why behind the particular pic in question. Is it because Linux was not able to fit the bill technically for the activity involved? Or is it just because there wasn't any specific reason to use linux because it was a free software event and not a linux event? Isn't it the call of the user whether s/he want to use Winduhs or Linux? In the specific case of this photograph, the user is Ravikant who dual boots between the two. The activity taking place when that photo was snapped had nothing to do (directly) with the Software Freedom Day -- Ravikant happened to be attending the event, and I believe it's his choice what OS he wants to use. [snip] Taking a call was not meant to refer to the choice of the OS by the user here, but I was refering to Linux Lingam's statement that ILUG-D has to take a call whether this is against ILUG-D's principle or not. I, of course, completely agree and support all your comments about free software and this being completely appropriate as this was a Software Freedom Day and not a linux day (Had mentioned the same in my earlier email as well repetitively). Rest of the 2 questions were for my curiosity, that was it for some technical reason or just like that... -Shantz ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] hi ballu bhai kya hal hai
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 9:19 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Holy OMG ...This goes as the weirdest email in ILUGD history I though it was some highly secure, encrypted message from Mars sent by some aliens. Who is Ballu here ;-) If anyone of you watch Prison Break, then you'd know that we have to wait for another mail to know that. (Never keep all the information together) :) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Windblows on Software Freedom Day
Well, the questions are manifold here... Free Software or Software Freedom Day does not (and should not) restrict the propagation of the idea of freedom on any platform, be it windows or linux. Freedom inside jail is better than no freedom at all. I think the question put forth by Linux Lingam is not contradicting to the above but to the participation of a unit like ILUG-D in an event where the platform of choice is opposite to the group's very premise, this is where a free software group and a linux group are different in their priniciples. Now, instead of straightaway taking a call, my question is as to the why behind the particular pic in question. Is it because Linux was not able to fit the bill technically for the activity involved? Or is it just because there wasn't any specific reason to use linux because it was a free software event and not a linux event? In the second case as well, it should have been better to use linux, because (first statement withstanding) it's always better to have full freedom rather than freedom inside jail, but I can give the benefit of doubt here to the organizers (Technical reasons or otherwise). As far as ILUG-D's ideological stand on this is concerned, I'd be interested to hear about it from other members... -Shantz -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com 2008/9/22 Praveen A [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/9/21 Jeba Singh Emmanuel | जेबा सिंह ईम्मेनुयेल [EMAIL PROTECTED]: setting a rule or policy to not use something, even in principle: is freedom? Shouldn't the users be deciding for themself? isn't that the whole idea? of whose? Can you give some references? Cheers Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് GPLv2 I know my rights; I want my phone call! DRM What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) Join The DRM Elimination Crew Now! http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-DRM-Campaign ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] ubuntu-studio questions
(2) The boot-menu shows winXP as the last option. how to change the default order of OSes shown in on-boot menu ? Easy Way: sudo editor-of-ur-choice /boot/grub/menu.lst and then change the order acc to your preference Another way(easy or difficult, u decide :) ): sudo apt-get install startupmanager, then run startupmanager, choose ur default os. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Licence schemes for the Ideas !!!
2008/9/20 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hey, I got a idea that can we GPL our ideas ?? Like normally I use to get a large number of ideas which I will not able to implement in this life. But I want somebody should implement those ideas. But I do not want that somebody should use them as patent or propitiatory work. infact if Ideas are in GPL public domain then everybody is allowed to implement it. So in the current licence schemes , can i publish my ideas under GPL or similar licence. for example , let suppose I will a rocking idea for energy saving system and will tell the way of implement it,But i will not implement it, I want other companies to implement it. So is it possible to deliver the rocking ideas in public domain insuring that it will not be used for patent or similar purpose?? Does GFDL (GNU Free Documentation License) fit the bill here? (if we term the description of our idea or implementation as a document) -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] ubuntu-studio questions
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 1:17 AM, Nalin Savara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks Shantz; I really 'preciate your suggestions- they're of great help, will do that. What about getting Ubuntu Studio to remember the WLAN settings ? Quick Ques to Shantz: Do you use Ubuntu Studio ? I don't use Ubuntu Studio (Don't have that much artistic creativity in me to be able to put it to use :) ) That's why bypassed the first question.. BTW, what exactly do u mean by remembering the wlan settings? Did you set them up in network manager applet configuration? I always use roaming mode as manual configuration didn't work for me... -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] ubuntu-studio questions
I dont use ubuntu-studio But man... have you seen the look of it ? If you think iPod is sexy, then chk out ubuntu studio... it is like ipod on rohypnol !!! Well, actually I don't think iPod is sexy :P About the looks, anyways for that you don't need to install ubuntu studio, just install the ubuntustudio-look package :) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] How to use Fedora 9 for Commerical use
Thanks for this info, But, I was having impression that , you can not attach a GPL packages with your peice of code for which will be shiped as binary blobs, you have to open your source code also .. As per my knowledge , you can use LGPL in that case. What I understand is that you can provide properietary/commercial/closed source software along with GPL'ed sw if you are using the GPL'ed sw in its entirety and not as a part of your program, i.e., you cannot compile or link your software against GPL'ed sw. however you can provide GPL'ed utilities along with your software. With LGPL, you can link your software against LGPL'ed libraries without any issues. -Shantz -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Pidgin-Gtalk: Getting around corporate firewalls and monitoring software
Hey Guys If you have faced the issue of pidgin not connecting to gtalk at your work place, well it could be that your company is trying to snoop into your conversations. This is a simple way to allow pidgin to connect to gtalk in a corporate environment by bypassing the monitoring firewalls that various companies use to spy on your chats. Let me know if you have your own tricks for the same. http://tech.shantanugoel.com/2008/09/08/hack-pidgin-gtalk-connection-problems-get-around-the-corporate-firewall.html -Shantz -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Shantz Xwinwrap - The Moving Wallpaper fun continues
Hi Guys I just joined ILUG-D recently and it seems to be a fervent community. Although I wouldn't call my self a linux expert, I do like to tinker around with it a bit. Hope to have a good time here. Meanwhile, thought of letting you know about my latest venture. XWinWrap is a small utility written a lng time ago that allowed you to stick most of the apps to your desktop background. What this meant was you could use an animated screensaver (like glmatrix, electric sheep, etc) or even a movie, and use it as your wallpaper. But only one version of this app was released, and it had a few problems, like it wasn't exactly sticking to the background and geometry option didn't work as well. Seeing no-one picking it up, I decided to give it a bit of polish last weekend by fixing the above problems and also add a few features. And here it is, in its new avatar Shantz XWinWraphttp://tech.shantanugoel.com/projects/linux/shantz-xwinwrap.(Hit the link for downloads, usage details, feature requests and a video that shows a couple of its features) Let me know what you think about it, or what I can do better, any feature requests etc. Thanks Shantanu -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
