Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Mahesh T. Pai paiva...@gmail.com wrote: narendra sisodiya said on Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 02:07:00AM +0530,: If programmer A has made some software , it only has it copyright notice and no license ! How i can use it ? If you have obtained a copy of the the sotware in a legal way, you can use it the way you want. If the software was licensed to you, you can use in the ways you are allowed to by the license. If the license is a Free (as in freedom) / FLOSS / FOSS license, (a) you got the copy in a legal way, and you can use it the way you want to use it, and (b) you can further copy / redistribute / redistribute / modify / distribute-modified-versions subject to the license. Also, is it possible for me to change/modify it ? Depends on the how you got it. If you merely got a copy, you cannot modify it. If you licensed it, AND the license permits it, you can modify it. ALso, one more question ! If I code something, is it possible to give copyright to somebody else with/without his wish ? for example, I made a code and I want (c) RMS etc,,, is it possible, forcefully giving copyright :) I cannot comprehend the utility of this question. You cannot push a cup of tea forcefully down another's throat. There is a utility ! for example, I am making a book Or software, and I want that all the derivative work must be come under my copyright. for example Mr A will download my software (copyrighted by me) and will change to software and will release under same license and same author (that is me), So I am getting copyrighted work with me without even my knowledge, Anyone can modify my software and give back modification to me. Whether somebody wanna do this approach or not , My question is IS IT POSSIBLE ? ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
narendra sisodiya said on Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 02:40:01PM +0530,: There is a utility ! for example, I am making a book Or software, and I want that all the derivative work must be come under my copyright. for example Mr A will download my software (copyrighted by me) and will change to software and will release under same license and same author (that is me), So I am getting copyrighted work with me without even my knowledge, Anyone can modify my software and give back modification to me. Whether somebody wanna do this approach or not , My question is IS IT POSSIBLE ? Read what you wrote again. You have answered yourselves. You are confusing between assignment of copyright, and releasing of modifications under the same terms. When a contributor / modifier releases his modifications, he does not give copyright in his modifications to you. In fact, insisting on such assignment is NOT considered FOSS compatible. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com Funny how people infriging commercial software licences are called pirates, while huge companies infriging the GPL are called users ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Mahesh T. Pai paiva...@gmail.com wrote: narendra sisodiya said on Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 02:40:01PM +0530,: There is a utility ! for example, I am making a book Or software, and I want that all the derivative work must be come under my copyright. for example Mr A will download my software (copyrighted by me) and will change to software and will release under same license and same author (that is me), So I am getting copyrighted work with me without even my knowledge, Anyone can modify my software and give back modification to me. Whether somebody wanna do this approach or not , My question is IS IT POSSIBLE ? Read what you wrote again. You have answered yourselves. You are confusing between assignment of copyright, and releasing of modifications under the same terms. When a contributor / modifier releases his modifications, he does not give copyright in his modifications to you. In fact, insisting on such assignment is NOT considered FOSS compatible. I am just asking, I know nobody will like it, But can I legally insist Or not , EX - http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/cc-community/2010-January/005103.html -- ┌─┐ │Narendra Sisodiya ( नरेन्द्र सिसोदिया ) │Society for Knowledge Commons │Web : http://narendra.techfandu.org └─┘ ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
Nishant Prakash Kashyap said on Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 04:34:53AM +0530,: I'm a non-veg, and fish is freely available in sea, then why does fisherman sell me Fish and does not give it free of cost, afterall he got it free, did he cultivate it ?... why is the government not blocking them as they are selling which they get free unlike Chicken. Very good question; but that is going off at a tangent. Here the question is, whether you are free to make fish molee the samee way I make it. As a fisherman, I have caught a fish, as a farmer, I have grown coconuts and chillis and turmeric and whatever else, and as a super-dooper-chef, I have created my own flavour of fish molee. The big question is, what prevents you from making same flavour of fish molee? -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com From The Devil's Dictionary (1881-1906) [devil]: LAWYER, n. One skilled in circumvention of the law. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Mahesh T. Pai paiva...@gmail.com wrote: Nishant Prakash Kashyap said on Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 04:34:53AM +0530,: I'm a non-veg, and fish is freely available in sea, then why does fisherman sell me Fish and does not give it free of cost, afterall he got it free, did he cultivate it ?... why is the government not blocking them as they are selling which they get free unlike Chicken. Very good question; but that is going off at a tangent. Here the question is, whether you are free to make fish molee the samee way I make it. As a fisherman, I have caught a fish, as a farmer, I have grown coconuts and chillis and turmeric and whatever else, and as a super-dooper-chef, I have created my own flavour of fish molee. The big question is, what prevents you from making same flavour of fish molee? If programmer A has made some software , it only has it copyright notice and no license ! How i can use it ? Also, is it possible for me to change/modify it ? ALso, one more question ! If I code something, is it possible to give copyright to somebody else with/without his wish ? for example, I made a code and I want (c) RMS etc,,, is it possible, forcefully giving copyright :) One interesting question ! -- ┌─┐ │Narendra Sisodiya ( नरेन्द्र सिसोदिया ) │Society for Knowledge Commons │Web : http://narendra.techfandu.org └─┘ ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
I have written a program which i want to deploy at my university. Therefore i want some help so that i can put my copyright on the program. Is this just a copyright statement you want or a copy protection / DRM mechanism? You work (art) is copyrighted to you, be default. No special manoeuvres needed to protect your copyright (though I am not a lawyer). ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
narendra sisodiya said on Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 02:07:00AM +0530,: If programmer A has made some software , it only has it copyright notice and no license ! How i can use it ? If you have obtained a copy of the the sotware in a legal way, you can use it the way you want. If the software was licensed to you, you can use in the ways you are allowed to by the license. If the license is a Free (as in freedom) / FLOSS / FOSS license, (a) you got the copy in a legal way, and you can use it the way you want to use it, and (b) you can further copy / redistribute / redistribute / modify / distribute-modified-versions subject to the license. Also, is it possible for me to change/modify it ? Depends on the how you got it. If you merely got a copy, you cannot modify it. If you licensed it, AND the license permits it, you can modify it. ALso, one more question ! If I code something, is it possible to give copyright to somebody else with/without his wish ? for example, I made a code and I want (c) RMS etc,,, is it possible, forcefully giving copyright :) I cannot comprehend the utility of this question. You cannot push a cup of tea forcefully down another's throat. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make all of them yourself. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Zico mailz...@gmail.com wrote: [ ... ] Just wanna know, how come copyrighted piece of code follows GNU license? You're right in a sense: the GNU project opposed copyright in principle. However, copyright law is so widespread and ingrained into society that Richard Stallman, the founder of GNU, decided to attack it from within. So the GNU General Public Licence (the GPL) is effectively a way of subverting copyright while following the rules of copyright and hence, as someone pointed out, copyleft. The end objective is eradication of copyright in any case... when that happens, the GPL will be redundant. Until then, it (or any of the other FOSS licences) can be used in conjunction with copyright law to reverse the effects of copyright. Regards, -- Raju ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote: Copyright is entirely distinct from licensing. If I write a piece of code, or acquire copyright over it by some other means, I can choose to license it to whomever, under whatever conditions I deem fit. Legal eagles can chip in, but roughly speaking, copyright has to do with ownership, while a licence has to do with what terms and conditions that you allow other people to use things under. Not a legal (or any other specie, genus or phylum) of eagle, but technically you may own copyright to a work without having the rights to license it. For instance, when you write a book, the copyright vests with you but the licence to redistribute is with the publisher. I'm also not too clear on how that works, but practically that's what you end up with: copyright with one person, licensing rights with another. Regards, -- Raju ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 16:15:11 +0530 Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote: [...] Legal eagles can chip in, but roughly speaking, copyright has to do with ownership, while a licence has to do with what terms and conditions that you allow other people to use things under. Not a legal (or any other specie, genus or phylum) of eagle, but technically you may own copyright to a work without having the rights to license it. For instance, when you write a book, the copyright vests with you but the licence to redistribute is with the publisher. [...] I thought that issues like exclusive redistribution rights for the publisher came through a contract signed between the author and the publisher, but again could be wrong. How about a legal beagle, if not an eagle. Or, maybe an illegal eagle. Ki gal hai, pappe? Regards, Gora ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote: Copyright is entirely distinct from licensing. If I write a piece of code, or acquire copyright over it by some other means, I can choose to license it to whomever, under whatever conditions I deem fit. Legal eagles can chip in, but roughly speaking, copyright has to do with ownership, while a licence has to do with what terms and conditions that you allow other people to use things under. Not a legal (or any other specie, genus or phylum) of eagle, but technically you may own copyright to a work without having the rights to license it. For instance, when you write a book, the copyright vests with you but the licence to redistribute is with the publisher. No , this do not happen, You write a book, most publisher just print your name as author but copyright and license to distribute is with publisher. this is must like a IT company where coder (labor) write code and it goes into company account. I'm also not too clear on how that works, but practically that's what you end up with: copyright with one person, licensing rights with another. Regards, -- Raju ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd -- ┌─┐ │Narendra Sisodiya ( नरेन्द्र सिसोदिया ) │Society for Knowledge Commons │Web : http://narendra.techfandu.org └─┘ ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote: Copyright is entirely distinct from licensing. If I write a piece of code, or acquire copyright over it by some other means, I can choose to license it to whomever, under whatever conditions I deem fit. Legal eagles can chip in, but roughly speaking, copyright has to do with ownership, while a licence has to do with what terms and conditions that you allow other people to use things under. Not a legal (or any other specie, genus or phylum) of eagle, but technically you may own copyright to a work without having the rights to license it. For instance, when you write a book, the copyright vests with you but the licence to redistribute is with the publisher. I'm also not too clear on how that works, but practically that's what you end up with: copyright with one person, licensing rights with another. It is not necessary that the author keeps the copyrights himself. The publishing and distribution is another ball game. eg. Raj Mathur can write a book and give copyrights to IlugD. IlugD will then give publishing rights to the publisher. Publisher may give distribution rights to various agencies may be according to various criteria like statewise, sectorwise (academic, commercial, students, libraries etc) and so on. As such, author, copyright holder, publisher, distributor can be differeent entities having different roles and bound by their contracts with the concerned parties. I hope the situation is clear from this example. Regards, -Sudhanwa ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
On Wednesday 03 Mar 2010, narendra sisodiya wrote: No , this do not happen, You write a book, most publisher just print your name as author but copyright and license to distribute is with publisher. this is must like a IT company where coder (labor) write code and it goes into company account. Sorry, copyright vests with the original author. Pick up any book on your shelf and look at the copyright on the publishing page, it will invariably be with the author or the author's estate. As Sudhanwa says, there is a difference between copyright (with author) and publishing and distribution rights (with publisher). One is ownership, the other is a contract. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathurr...@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Wednesday 03 Mar 2010, narendra sisodiya wrote: No , this do not happen, You write a book, most publisher just print your name as author but copyright and license to distribute is with publisher. this is must like a IT company where coder (labor) write code and it goes into company account. Sorry, copyright vests with the original author. Pick up any book on your shelf and look at the copyright on the publishing page, it will invariably be with the author or the author's estate. Sorry , in most of the case copyright will not remain with author, If copyright is with author then multiple publishers will be able to publish it, Please pick book, I have 2-3 book, on my desk 1) Professional Javascript for web developer, wrox 2nd edition Page read it was, (c) 2009 by Wiley Publishing ,, 2) Beginning python 2th edition by apress (c) 2008 Apress, berkley, CA, USA 3) XML and Web Services unleased, (c) 2002 by pearson... there are 3-4 more book on next desk, everywhere you can find that copyright (and thus full power) goes with publisher... As Sudhanwa says, there is a difference between copyright (with author) and publishing and distribution rights (with publisher). One is ownership, the other is a contract. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathurr...@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd -- ┌─┐ │Narendra Sisodiya ( नरेन्द्र सिसोदिया ) │Society for Knowledge Commons │Web : http://narendra.techfandu.org └─┘ ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Wednesday 03 Mar 2010, narendra sisodiya wrote: No , this do not happen, You write a book, most publisher just print your name as author but copyright and license to distribute is with publisher. this is must like a IT company where coder (labor) write code and it goes into company account. Sorry, copyright vests with the original author. Pick up any book on your shelf and look at the copyright on the publishing page, it will invariably be with the author or the author's estate. NO. Author can decide to give copyrights to anyone. There are many Marathi authors who give copyrights of their books to their wife. And there are some who give to the publisher. And there are some authors working for social organisations where the copyrights are given to the organisaitons. // After the death of the copyright holder(if it is person)- not necessarily the author- protecting the rights becomes a legal issue. ( This is from my personal experience. I have to protect rights of some 100+ books for an author expired some years back ). // Regards, -Sudhanwa As Sudhanwa says, there is a difference between copyright (with author) and publishing and distribution rights (with publisher). One is ownership, the other is a contract. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur r...@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:18 PM, narendra sisodiya narendra.sisod...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Wednesday 03 Mar 2010, narendra sisodiya wrote: No , this do not happen, You write a book, most publisher just print your name as author but copyright and license to distribute is with publisher. this is must like a IT company where coder (labor) write code and it goes into company account. Sorry, copyright vests with the original author. Pick up any book on your shelf and look at the copyright on the publishing page, it will invariably be with the author or the author's estate. Sorry , in most of the case copyright will not remain with author, If copyright is with author then multiple publishers will be able to publish it, That happens because publishers do not understand / or are confused. Some of them require authors to sign 'copyright transfer forms', which actually restricts the right to publish/ distribute the same work in substantially similar form. But the vagueness in such agreements can be exploited in legal situations. Best A. Mani -- A. Mani ASL, CLC, AMS, CMS http://www.logicamani.co.cc ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
narendra sisodiya said on Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 07:18:14PM +0530,: there are 3-4 more book on next desk, everywhere you can find that copyright (and thus full power) goes with publisher... Sir, Look at ownership or immoveable property - a piece of land, a residential building, agricultural land, bunglaow, etc. You may be the owner. You can rent it out to A, and assign the right to collect the rent to B. You can mortgage it to C. And assign the right to redeem the mortgage to D. So, you have no possession of the property - it with the tenant. You have no income from the property - it goes to B. YOu have even mortgaged, and no right to redeem. Now, you can actually sell the property. ;-D All this is possible because you have a right, called ownership in the property in question. Like this, the publisher gets teh copyright because it was owned by the author.The author could have licensed only a part, instead of assigning the whole of that ownership. The publisher can now license all or some of the components of the copyright. This is how the film industry works. The producer (copyright owner) assigns the right to distribute the film in certain areas to distributors, who pay him money. Sometimes, this assignment may be permanent. Sometimes, the producer will assign all his rights in perpetuity. SOmetimes, he will assign only world distribution rights. That is a feature, not a bug. If the above is complicated, go through Raj's posts again. THey are simpler. The GPL only utilises the concept of copyright, makes it stand on its head, and gives you more rights than the copyright law allows. This is possible only because copyright subsists in teh GPL'ed work. Deny the GPL, and you do not have any rights in the work - not even to retain a copy of that work on your computer. HTH. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com A closed mouth gathers no feet. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Mahesh T. Pai paiva...@gmail.com wrote: narendra sisodiya said on Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 07:18:14PM +0530,: there are 3-4 more book on next desk, everywhere you can find that copyright (and thus full power) goes with publisher... Sir, Look at ownership or immoveable property - a piece of land, a residential building, agricultural land, bunglaow, etc. You may be the owner. You can rent it out to A, and assign the right to collect the rent to B. You can mortgage it to C. And assign the right to redeem the mortgage to D. So, you have no possession of the property - it with the tenant. You have no income from the property - it goes to B. YOu have even mortgaged, and no right to redeem. Now, you can actually sell the property. ;-D All this is possible because you have a right, called ownership in the property in question. Like this, the publisher gets teh copyright because it was owned by the author.The author could have licensed only a part, instead of assigning the whole of that ownership. The publisher can now license all or some of the components of the copyright. This is how the film industry works. The producer (copyright owner) assigns the right to distribute the film in certain areas to distributors, who pay him money. Sometimes, this assignment may be permanent. Sometimes, the producer will assign all his rights in perpetuity. SOmetimes, he will assign only world distribution rights. That is a feature, not a bug. If the above is complicated, go through Raj's posts again. THey are simpler. The GPL only utilises the concept of copyright, makes it stand on its head, and gives you more rights than the copyright law allows. This is possible only because copyright subsists in teh GPL'ed work. Deny the GPL, and you do not have any rights in the work - not even to retain a copy of that work on your computer. yes dear, i know all these things, same thing i am also saying, in MOST of the case, publisher takes copyright of book. -- ┌─┐ │Narendra Sisodiya ( नरेन्द्र सिसोदिया ) │Society for Knowledge Commons │Web : http://narendra.techfandu.org └─┘ ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
The interpretation referred by Sudhanwa is the distribution of copyrighted product. Legally speaking, Copyright in simpler term is a right over the intellectual property to prevent reproducing copyrighted work without the permission of the person who creates the Intellectual Property/work or any person who acquires right over Intellectual Property; and Licence on other hand is permission to use the Intellectual Property in specified manner stipulated in Licence agreement. Licence agreement is the most necessary piece of legal instrument to protect individual's right over the intellectual property. Any person aggrieved from any violation of respective work or terms of agreement may initiate legal action against the breacher before the courts of law. Kamal Dave Advocate --- On Wed, 3/3/10, Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com wrote: From: Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com Subject: Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright To: Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org Cc: il...@frodo.hserus.net Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 6:32 PM On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote: Copyright is entirely distinct from licensing. If I write a piece of code, or acquire copyright over it by some other means, I can choose to license it to whomever, under whatever conditions I deem fit. Legal eagles can chip in, but roughly speaking, copyright has to do with ownership, while a licence has to do with what terms and conditions that you allow other people to use things under. Not a legal (or any other specie, genus or phylum) of eagle, but technically you may own copyright to a work without having the rights to license it. For instance, when you write a book, the copyright vests with you but the licence to redistribute is with the publisher. I'm also not too clear on how that works, but practically that's what you end up with: copyright with one person, licensing rights with another. It is not necessary that the author keeps the copyrights himself. The publishing and distribution is another ball game. eg. Raj Mathur can write a book and give copyrights to IlugD. IlugD will then give publishing rights to the publisher. Publisher may give distribution rights to various agencies may be according to various criteria like statewise, sectorwise (academic, commercial, students, libraries etc) and so on. As such, author, copyright holder, publisher, distributor can be differeent entities having different roles and bound by their contracts with the concerned parties. I hope the situation is clear from this example. Regards, -Sudhanwa ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
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Hi, --- On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:21 PM, kamal dave kamal_dave_advoc...@yahoo.com wrote: | ... intellectual property ... Intellectual Property | ... Intellectual Property ... Intellectual Property ... intellectual property. \-- Never seen this so many times on a F/OSS mailing list. Nevertheless, worth reading the following: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.xhtml SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
Hi All,... If i invent a thing using air water and sunlight. that does not mean my product should be free as i got air water and sunlight free from the mother nature. If i develop a software or modify a software initially developed by someone, it is a intellectual property. The initiator may be willing to give his ideas as donation, but then there are lots of people who dont want to give their work as free... and there is nothing wrong in it. Redhat, Mandriva Enterprise Linux, SLES Are these things wrong NO and no no coz they provide service for the amount they charge... Let me see if anyone is competent enough to be a real FOSS Guy, please come to me, i've lots of student who wants to have a career by passing RHCE and Zend PHP Certification... is there anyone who can offer these free of costatleast the teaching part... I'm a non-veg, and fish is freely available in sea, then why does fisherman sell me Fish and does not give it free of cost, afterall he got it free, did he cultivate it ?... why is the government not blocking them as they are selling which they get free unlike Chicken. So, the moral is that, if someone spends time to develop something, he has the right to give it for free or attach a price tag to it. Reg/NPK On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 1:44 AM, Shakthi Kannan shakthim...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, --- On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:21 PM, kamal dave kamal_dave_advoc...@yahoo.com wrote: | ... intellectual property ... Intellectual Property | ... Intellectual Property ... Intellectual Property ... intellectual property. \-- Never seen this so many times on a F/OSS mailing list. Nevertheless, worth reading the following: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.xhtml SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd -- Warm Regards, Nishant Prakash Kashyap ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Protecting my copyright
By putting a copyright statement i just want to tell the world that the program is mine. By the way by making it a gpl2 licensed software, i am making it opensource. Therefore how am i against the opensource movement? ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
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On Thursday 04 Mar 2010, Nishant Prakash Kashyap wrote: So, the moral is that, if someone spends time to develop something, he has the right to give it for free or attach a price tag to it. Those who advocate FOSS agree with you. You have the absolute right to do whatever you want with your book/software/music (note: intangibles, not tangibles). However, some of us also believe that if you don't share your intangible creations freely with the rest of the world, you're not being a good citizen of the world, because you're indulging in hoarding of ideas for your own personal gain. That you can sell your software for money is not questionable. Whether you should or not can be deprecated or lauded, but in this list it can certainly be debated. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathurr...@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
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On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:56 PM, A. Mani a.mani@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:18 PM, narendra sisodiya narendra.sisod...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Wednesday 03 Mar 2010, narendra sisodiya wrote: No , this do not happen, You write a book, most publisher just print your name as author but copyright and license to distribute is with publisher. this is must like a IT company where coder (labor) write code and it goes into company account. Sorry, copyright vests with the original author. Pick up any book on your shelf and look at the copyright on the publishing page, it will invariably be with the author or the author's estate. Sorry , in most of the case copyright will not remain with author, If copyright is with author then multiple publishers will be able to publish it, That happens because publishers do not understand / or are confused. Some of them require authors to sign 'copyright transfer forms', which actually restricts the right to publish/ distribute the same work in substantially similar form. But the vagueness in such agreements can be exploited in legal situations. I doubt that publishers do not understand or are confused with the issue: They exploit the situation created in the times of the brick-and-mortar world where the distribution of material had a cost, and converted it into a business which involved copyright-transfer, often exploiting the content creator in the process. When we have a zero-cost for the distribution of digital content, they have no business continuing with the same paradigm, or at least should have no business...We have a similar argument for Open Access publication in the case of academic research, but this is not something that changes overnight. For this change to work, you need a distribution system that allows for the copyright to remain with the author. For those of us in Academia who had a peek at the internet before it burst onto the world, an immediate follow-through of mailing-lists/forums/irc which allowed short term/relatively synchronous multiuser communication bridging geographical seperation, was the creation of digital repositories: I believe the kick-start to open access was the Physics Arxiv [1] which should have changed the rules of the scientific publishing. For those not embedded within the Ivory Towers think Sourceforge for software, Flickr for images and You-tube for video. Merely the existence of a free distribution system is insufficient: The tension in exercising copyright is whether the creator is utilising a hobby or career-skill. In Open Source software, and Academia, open access/source is the given mantra - your career is made in the freedom to utilise the whole ecosystem even if you are expert in a niche area. It is instructive to look at the content of the Arxiv: very little Applied Science or Technology, almost entirely Mathematics and Theoretical Physics - the true artists of Academia, who create for the joy of creating, and require their work to be seen. However, almost all of them are supported through Govt. funding or philanthropy. Not everyone is lucky enough to have the Govt. take over from their parents in supporting their livelihood, enabling them to continue their teenage creative impulses into their careers. Those who earn from their creations, a proper infrastructure to commercialise their efforts is necessary. While shifting to a service model for software is easy, it is not clear how to do this with art, images or video/audio. I think we still need a a few more steps for the revolution to be complete in restoring the initial concept of copyright, and will enable the individual creator to monetize his invention/creation, while enabling its sharing and reuse . The distribution system, and the reuse of content, should involve a revenue-sharing model with the content creator. I am not sure if this exists...? Andrew Lynn. [1] Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArXiv ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
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On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 04:34:53 +0530 Nishant Prakash Kashyap npkash...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All,... If i invent a thing using air water and sunlight. that does not mean my product should be free as i got air water and sunlight free from the mother nature. [Long rant snipped] Please look up the difference between free as in freedom, and free as in free beer. FOSS has to do with the former, though people can, and often do choose to also make it free of cost. Easier in Hindi: Mukt, not muft. Regards, Gora ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
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On 3/4/10, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: On Thursday 04 Mar 2010, Nishant Prakash Kashyap wrote: So, the moral is that, if someone spends time to develop something, he has the right to give it for free or attach a price tag to it. Those who advocate FOSS agree with you. You have the absolute right to do whatever you want with your book/software/music (note: intangibles, not tangibles). However, some of us also believe that if you don't share your intangible creations freely with the rest of the world, you're not being a good citizen of the world, because you're indulging in hoarding of ideas for your own personal gain. That you can sell your software for money is not questionable. Whether you should or not can be deprecated or lauded, but in this list it can certainly be debated. See, i follow very simple rule in my life. we must restrict knowledge monopoly, Whenever u create/modify something new for example idea, machine, hardware, software, book, thought or anything, it can be termed as a new Object. The process Or ability to design that new Object is called knowledge. You are always allow to hide Object from world but you should never hide knowledge. Otherwise this will be termed as knowledge monopoly. For example - If you make a software and give it to user (free of cost, or charge) without giving source code, this will be a knowledge monopoly. Even if you hide source code, you must share design document to customer, So that he/she can recreate same software. For example - If MS Office share its standards , it will easy for anybody to design software for it. In nutshell, I am agree with the minimum layer where modification/reproduction to some good is possible without any restrictions like (hidden standard, patent, huge money etc) -- ┌─┐ │Narendra Sisodiya ( नरेन्द्र सिसोदिया ) │Society for Knowledge Commons │Web : http://narendra.techfandu.org └─┘ ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
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On Tuesday 02 Mar 2010, varunmitta...@gmail.com wrote: I have written a program which i want to deploy at my university. Therefore i want some help so that i can put my copyright on the program. Actually you would need to add both copyright and licence. Copyright is as simple as adding a line to each source file: Copyright (C) 2010, Your Name y...@email.address Licence is also pretty simple. If you choose the GPL, add this text near the beginning of each source file: This program is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or (at your option) any later version. This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU General Public License for more details. You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License along with this program. If not, see http://www.gnu.org/licenses/. See http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-howto.html for more information. Other licences have similar instructions on how to apply them to new programs. You will also need to bundle a copy of the licence itself in your source package. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathurr...@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
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On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Raj Mathur r...@linux-delhi.org wrote: Actually you would need to add both copyright and licence. Copyright is as simple as adding a line to each source file: Copyright (C) 2010, Your Name y...@email.address Licence is also pretty simple. If you choose the GPL, add this text near the beginning of each source file: This program is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or (at your option) any later version. This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU General Public License for more details. [ ... ] Just wanna know, how come *copyrighted *piece of code follows *GNU license?* * * -- Best, Zico ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
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Zico said on Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 01:16:39PM +0600,: Just wanna know, how come *copyrighted *piece of code follows *GNU license?* If you are hinting that GPL means no copyright, you are wrong. Because the GNU GPL (General Public License) uses the law of copyright to give you more rights that the copyright law allows you. That is why it is called a copyleft license. Look into the various documents on fof.org or gnu.org for more details. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com DICTIONARY, n. A malevolent literary device for cramping the growth of a language and making it hard and inelastic. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
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On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 13:16:39 +0600 Zico mailz...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Just wanna know, how come *copyrighted *piece of code follows *GNU license?* * [...] Copyright is entirely distinct from licensing. If I write a piece of code, or acquire copyright over it by some other means, I can choose to license it to whomever, under whatever conditions I deem fit. Legal eagles can chip in, but roughly speaking, copyright has to do with ownership, while a licence has to do with what terms and conditions that you allow other people to use things under. Regards, Gora ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
