Re: New Mac Virus?
One question, is this trojan universal code or Intel/PowerPC only? On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Christopher Satterfield christopher1...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting, I didn't know there was anything for Linux, that is something I just learned. I wonder how long it is until there is a new version of SAM... -- C:\win Bad Command Or File Name C:\ -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac Virus?
On Oct 27, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Thunder 1 wrote: Everyone might want to check this out. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45053071/ns/technology_and_science-security/#.Tqmfr2BNxqN Sigh. This is not a trojan. This is a piece of DDOS software which has interfaces to do other things (like run any bash command you want...). It's not weaponized, you have to seek it out and download it because you want to be a 1334 h4x0r like Anonymous so you grab any old skriptkiddie file you can find and install it. The big whoop: it's been compiled to run on OS X! scary voice Whoo!/sv Probably by the deep and astonicshingly complicated formula of : ./configure make sudo make install Only the 1334est of the 1334 B1FF!! h4x0rz know this sekrit incantation!! (see the B1FF entry here for the full story...http://www.suslik.org/Humour/Computer/Internet/nl1.html, and I'll note, for the record, that my Kibo number is 1.) There's another alert out for malware stuffed into a pirated copy of Graphic Converter (which is really REALLY dumb. Do you want to use GC forever without ever paying? Just put up with the 30 second delay when you launch it. That's it. It's better all around if you pay for it, because Thorsten is a giant in the Mac software world, but there's no need whatsoever to pirate it.) Both are being hyped maximally by the AV and windoid security folks: OMIGOD! DINT I TELL YOU! DINT I TELL YOU FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS EVENTUALLY THAT DAMN WOLF HAD TO SHOW UP!!! They will go the way of all Mac malware: as minor curiosities in the history of malware, maybe even seen a handful of times in the wild. The one single most important thing you can do to secure your Mac is to turn of the single greatest security hole in OS X: Uncheck Safari's Open 'safe' files after downloading in the preferences. Out of the box, OS X has no services available from the outside; every box in the sharing control panel is unchecked. No, you will not get a virus form email. No, if your computer is acting funky it is not because of a virus. No, you cannot 'inadvertently' give some PC user a virus, it would have to be a delberate act on both your parts. Additionally, if that PC user does not have active and up-to-date av/as software, they're already infected. No, you really don't need to run av software on your Mac, and if a web page ever does pop up claiming you have one, (presuming you've done what I've said about turning off that Safari pref) laugh at them and close the window. If you absolutely MUST run AV software, at LEAST don't pad the wallets of the AV charlatans with your hard-earned dollars, use ClamXAv http://www.clamxav.com/ Don't download software from anyplace that isn't the software authors home page. (well, or the Mac App store, if you want. It is safe, but not downloading from there is a political act, not a security one) So no Softpedia, Cnet, etc blah blah blah of the stupid software aggregators. Any software author worth her salt will include the web page in the About info, or under the Help menu. And don't steal it. There's never a reason to steal software, because there's always a free or cheaper alternative out there somewhere. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
New Mac Virus?
Everyone might want to check this out. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45053071/ns/technology_and_science-security/#.Tqmfr2BNxqN -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac Virus?
Interesting, I didn't know there was anything for Linux, that is something I just learned. I wonder how long it is until there is a new version of SAM... -- C:\win Bad Command Or File Name C:\ -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac Virus?
On 10/27/11 1:38 PM, Thunder 1 wrote: Everyone might want to check this out. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45053071/ns/technology_and_science-security/#.Tqmfr2BNxqN Sopos must of wrote it to sell more A/V software. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
Not really. My primary desktop system is an iMac G4 17 1.25Ghz, and my most powerful is a MBP intel i7 Mid-2010 15, yet i use my iMac more than my MBP. Using PowerPC is never over... And it will never will be. I am keeping all of my PowerPC machines, and intels too. I am waiting for Apple to go back to PowerPC or to abandon intel. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
On 2010/10/29 16:06, Mystic Prowler so eloquently wrote: I understand keeping production of faster and faster processors could be tough, but look at IBM today! The world's first processor running at 4.6Ghz without being overclocked! And it has 32-cores. The video and BOINC communities can only drool at the thought. But does anyone know anything about it's power consumption? Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB DDR Ubuntu 10.10 Power Mac June 04 2GHz G5DP 8GB RAM GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256MB Leopard 10.5.8 PowerBook G4 15 HiRes DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB DDR Leopard 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
On 29/10/10 22:47PDT, Steven wrote: And, of course, PowerPC computers had much better names. MacBook sounds like what a Dell hacked to run OS X should be called, and Mac Pro is even more uninspired. PowerBook was one of the best product names of all time and I still can't believe that Apple just abandoned it for such an awful name, plus now the grid that Steve Jobs made such a big deal over no longer works (sure Mac Pro and MacBook Pro match, but what is iMac doing there?). Well, the alternative choice was IntelBook ;) -- Sincerely, Dennis B. Swaney Windows is a command-line OS with a GUI shell while Mac System 10 is ... oh, never mind. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
Intelbook? I would keep all of the original names. But really, the new names sound horrible. I really like all of the old names. To think of it, the box scheme makes no sense anymore. the Macbook and the Macbook pro should stay there. The air has to be the new Macbook or iBook or it has to go. The mac mini has no reason there at all, the iMac should be the lower end machine. THe mac pro should be the high end machine and server. They should cut out the Xserve. I have a feeling of something. Apple is as bad as it was before steve came back. They have too many product lines, minimizing it's chances of getting in the cash. One new CEO will rise up and re-innovate the company and remove the company's many product lines like it had 13 years ago. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
On 30/10/10 09:39PDT, Mystic Prowler wrote: Intelbook? I would keep all of the original names. But really, the new names sound horrible. I really like all of the old names. Like the Power(pc)Book? To think of it, the box scheme makes no sense anymore. the Macbook and the Macbook pro should stay there. The air has to be the new Macbook or iBook or it has to go. The mac mini has no reason there at all, the iMac should be the lower end machine. THe mac pro should be the high end machine and server. They should cut out the Xserve. The Mac Mini is the low cost entry platform for those switching from other platforms. They're used to sub-$1000 computers, and already have a monitor, keyboard and mouse. The Xserve is for those running server farms, not for individual users I have a feeling of something. Apple is as bad as it was before steve came back. They have too many product lines, minimizing it's chances of getting in the cash. One new CEO will rise up and re-innovate the company and remove the company's many product lines like it had 13 years ago. I see the following 3 product lines: General Macintosh computers. Server Macintosh computers. Mobile products. General Macintosh computers has the following 2 sub-lines: Professional (MacPro MacBookPro) Consumer (Mac Mini, iMac, MacBook) Of course, consumers can buy from the Professional line also. Server Macintosh computers has the Xserve line the Mac Mini Server Mobile Products covers iPod, iPad, and iPhone If the above minimizes getting in the cash, then how come Apple is now the second largest company in the WORLD, in terms of capitalization? Only Exxon-Mobil has more cash than Apple. -- Sincerely, Dennis B. Swaney Windows is a command-line OS with a GUI shell while Mac System 10 is ... oh, never mind. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
I mean if Apple moves away from intel and makes it's own processors, this would cause an uproar in the Windows-intel world. Apple should go to AMD or make it's own processors. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
On 10/30/10 7:07 PM, Mystic Prowler wrote: I mean if Apple moves away from intel and makes it's own processors, this would cause an uproar in the Windows-intel world. Apple should go to AMD or make it's own processors. -- Yeah correct, for instance i bought my amd duron pc in 2000 and it's still good enough to function in regards pretty much anything. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
On 30/10/10 10:39PDT, Steven wrote: On Oct 30, 2010, at 12:01 PM, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: On 30/10/10 09:39PDT, Mystic Prowler wrote: Intelbook? I would keep all of the original names. But really, the new names sound horrible. I really like all of the old names. Like the Power(pc)Book? 1991: Apple introduces the first PowerBook computers 1994: Apple introduces the first Macintosh computers with PowerPC processors 1995: Apple introduces the first PowerBook with a PowerPC processor The Power in PowerBook has nothing to do with PowerPC and predates the PowerPC transition by years. The PowerBook name already spanned two processors, why couldn't it continue into the Intel era? My guess is that Steve Jobs wanted to erase anything that he didn't create, which is why the only PowerPC names left are iMac and Mac Mini. Probably because Steve realized that PowerBook was irretrievably linked to PowerPC. And I should have remembered my PowerBook 145b! The way things are headed with the MacBook Air and the Mac App Store, we'll probably see a new model called the AppleBook or, for short, the AppBook -- Sincerely, Dennis B. Swaney Windows is a command-line OS with a GUI shell while Mac System 10 is ... oh, never mind. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
Let's hope that happens. To be honest, I only want intel to crash and burn to stop Microsoft in it's tracks. On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Elliott Price callmemrp...@gmail.comwrote: I've read it's because they wanted to have mac in all the names. It makes SOME sort of sense, but, I mean, come on, people would have to be pretty stupid to not know that an iBook is a Mac laptop. iBook sounds way better then Macbook. :P I personally don't care that much what kind of processor I have. Sure, I would prefer it not be Intel, but I've been using my Intel iMac for 3 yrs now, and it's plenty fast and powerful for graphic design, web design, photoshop, etc. I think it's inevitable that Apple switch away from the Intel processors. They're so big now, that it doesn't make sense to be tied to another giant company, and with what we've seen with them developing the A4, it'll probably lead to them developing their own processors for the Mac. -Elliott On Oct 30, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Steven wrote: My guess is that Steve Jobs wanted to erase anything that he didn't create, which is why the only PowerPC names left are iMac and Mac Mini. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comimaclist%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist -- Sent from my iMac G4 1.25Ghz It's anyway, anyhow, anywhere you choose it. -Me -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
On Oct 30, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Mystic Prowler wrote: Let's hope that happens. To be honest, I only want intel to crash and burn to stop Microsoft in it's tracks. Based on Apple's history, that could easily happen. Back in the Motorola days IBM was Apple's biggest competitor, and after Motorola couldn't keep up any more they switched to IBM. Now IBM is a rotting shell of the company that introduced the IBM PC, so they move on to Intel. I don't think Apple will destroy Intel (after all, IBM processors are still used in several game consoles), but either way they will probably switch to a new processor somewhere around 2014 to 2018 (they have switched every decade like clockwork, from 6502 to 68k in 1984, 68k to PowerPC in 1994, and PowerPC to Intel in 2006), but by then there could be a die hard Intel crowd just like the PowerPC crowd of today and the Motorola crowd of the 1990s. Personally, I hope that Apple will use the resources of P.A. Semi and what they have learned from the A4 to return to RISC, and since P.A. Semi was working on Power Architecture designs I don't think that is an unreasonable prediction. Technically it won't be PowerPC, but it would have all the benefits without the problems with the G5 (they were working on powerful yet efficient processors) and it would be designed by Apple, so that's good enough for me. Steven -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
New Mac platform (was: Re: Mac OS X Lion 10.7 is no longer a rumor!
On 29/10/10 10:26PDT, Tina K. wrote: On 2010/10/28 17:16, Mystic Prowler so eloquently wrote: I wonder if it would be a good idea to dual-boot it with Ubuntu systems because Ubuntu still supports PowerPC with their newer system releases. Actually, Ubuntu dropped official support for PPC several versions ago, but the community has taken up the slack. Debian has official support for PPC, and so does YellowDog and a few other variants. There will come a day when Apple stops supporting 10.5 and then PPC users will have to decide if they want to continue without any further security updates or if they want to change platforms. http://penguinppc.org/about/distributions.php With Apple now making their own chips, perhaps we'll see a new Mac platform that DOESN'T have Intel Inside. I refuse to purchase any Mac from Apple that uses Intel. If Apple doesn't start using their own chips, then at least they should use AMD chips so as not to support the Intel monopoly. Even better might be for Apple to use some of their pocket change and buy AMD; that would really block the Intel/Microsoft monopolists. -- Sincerely, Dennis B. Swaney Windows is a command-line OS with a GUI shell while Mac System 10 is ... oh, never mind. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform (was: Re: Mac OS X Lion 10.7 is no longer a rumor!
I agree, but at the same time I suggest doing this: The Apple A4 chip should be standardized for all mobile platforms (except laptops), while Apple should go back to the PowerPC, but have a different name and a new generation, like the PowerPC G5 v2, or the PowerPC G6, or the Core G6... I love the PowerPC platform and will never give it up. I sorta refuse to buy an intel mac too. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
When Apple decided to leave the PPC platform I was hurt but I fully understand why they did it. As a fan of the IBM Power platform, the G5 was a small power 4/power5 machine that did not run AIX and Apple was a small part of the IBM order that they could not significantly influence the production cycle. Apple had to battle the perception monster of the Wintel platform. Intel and AMD were making chip announcement at a pace that Apple could not keep up with. If you recall, Apple announced that the G5 was the fastest computer in the world but how long did they hold that crown. The move to the Wintel platform was a perception move and had to be done in one swoop. Although I love my multicore Opteron systems, AMD in the eyes of the consumers is the underdog which is not necessarily the case across the entire product line. Look at what this move has done. It has put Apple more into the main stream and they are gaining market share beyond their traditional market. Now just an aside. : One nice thing would be for Apple to have a limited edition run of the Apple IIe with a quad core 64 bit 6502 that is capable of full 6502 emulation. Just like people snapped up the retro Beetles, Mustangs, Camaros etc - They would make a mint! Or put out an enthusiast model that you could get in a kit! On 10/29/2010 2:10 PM, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: On 29/10/10 10:26PDT, Tina K. wrote: On 2010/10/28 17:16, Mystic Prowler so eloquently wrote: I wonder if it would be a good idea to dual-boot it with Ubuntu systems because Ubuntu still supports PowerPC with their newer system releases. Actually, Ubuntu dropped official support for PPC several versions ago, but the community has taken up the slack. Debian has official support for PPC, and so does YellowDog and a few other variants. There will come a day when Apple stops supporting 10.5 and then PPC users will have to decide if they want to continue without any further security updates or if they want to change platforms. http://penguinppc.org/about/distributions.php With Apple now making their own chips, perhaps we'll see a new Mac platform that DOESN'T have Intel Inside. I refuse to purchase any Mac from Apple that uses Intel. If Apple doesn't start using their own chips, then at least they should use AMD chips so as not to support the Intel monopoly. Even better might be for Apple to use some of their pocket change and buy AMD; that would really block the Intel/Microsoft monopolists. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
On 29/10/10 11:30PDT, Mystic Prowler wrote: I agree, but at the same time I suggest doing this: The Apple A4 chip should be standardized for all mobile platforms (except laptops), while Apple should go back to the PowerPC, but have a different name and a new generation, like the PowerPC G5 v2, or the PowerPC G6, or the Core G6... I love the PowerPC platform and will never give it up. I sorta refuse to buy an intel mac too. Unfortunately, Motorola jettisoned their chip division. It was going by the name Freescale but I haven't heard much recently. Also, at the same time, the older employees were terminated (I have a friend who was one of them) so who knows if the PPC could be updated. It is Apple's A chips or AMD's chips that have the best bet of supplanting Intel in Macs. -- Sincerely, Dennis B. Swaney Windows is a command-line OS with a GUI shell while Mac System 10 is ... oh, never mind. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
I understand keeping production of faster and faster processors could be tough, but look at IBM today! The world's first processor running at 4.6Ghz without being overclocked! And it has 32-cores. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
On Oct 29, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: On 29/10/10 11:30PDT, Mystic Prowler wrote: I agree, but at the same time I suggest doing this: The Apple A4 chip should be standardized for all mobile platforms (except laptops), while Apple should go back to the PowerPC, but have a different name and a new generation, like the PowerPC G5 v2, or the PowerPC G6, or the Core G6... I love the PowerPC platform and will never give it up. I sorta refuse to buy an intel mac too. Unfortunately, Motorola jettisoned their chip division. It was going by the name Freescale but I haven't heard much recently. Also, at the same time, the older employees were terminated (I have a friend who was one of them) so who knows if the PPC could be updated. Maybe Apple should buy Freescale, produce the 68080, and use that for OS X. :-) It is Apple's A chips or AMD's chips that have the best bet of supplanting Intel in Macs. On a more serious note, why is replacing Intel chips important? Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
On 2010/10/29 16:35, Joshua Juran so eloquently wrote: On a more serious note, why is replacing Intel chips important? I can't speak for anyone else but I don't like Intel's predatory business practices, their integrated graphics, and I fear what would happen to their prices should AMD stop being competitive. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB DDR Ubuntu 10.10 Power Mac June 04 2GHz G5DP 8GB RAM GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256MB Leopard 10.5.8 PowerBook G4 15 HiRes DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB DDR Leopard 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
I really do find intel useful, but not the best. PowerPC was and always will be the best. If Apple continues a different line of chips, they might name it PowerPC G6 even if the processor architecture is completely different. Going away from intel means that Apple will increase the chances of the Microsoft market domination to collapse. Intel did create the first microprocessor, after all. I am not saying they have bad processors, but their marketing technique is horrible. I know and understand why Apple went from PowerPC to intel, but if i was in Steve's shoes, i'd stay with PowerPC, because in today's world i'd have the advantage. __ iMac G4 1.25 17, iMac 800 15, iMac G5 1.8 20, iMac G3 Bondi Blue 233, iMac G3 350 Teal, iMac G3 350 Indigo, iMac G3 600 Graphite, Powerbook 540c, Powerbook G4 867 15, Powerbook 5300cs, Power Mac 6100 60, Power Mac G4 sawtooth 400, G4 sawtooth 400 #2, G4 cube 450, iBook G3 500, eMac 700, G3 Gossamer 233, G3 BW 300, Mid 2010 15 i7 MBP. Former machines: Apple 1 (sold for my new MBP, sorry!), iBook G3 clamshell original 300 Tangerine, iBook Mid 2005 1.33 12, Power Mac 7200/120 (killed during power surge), G4 quicksilver dual 1Ghz (parts sold, still have case, PS blew up...) So far i have 19 machines. If i still had my other machines, i'd have 24. The Powerbook G4 15 867 is pending on my list and will not be received my me until wednesday. Also, another indigo iMac G3 is pending on my list. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
At 6:06 PM -0400 10/29/2010, Mystic Prowler wrote: I understand keeping production of faster and faster processors could be tough, but look at IBM today! The world's first processor running at 4.6Ghz without being overclocked! And it has 32-cores. Defeat Snatched from the Jaws of Victory. ...IMO, Apple was right to go with the Core processors for the laptops. But they should have stuck with PowerPC for the desktops, and quickly gone to full POWER chips. At 3:35 PM -0700 10/29/2010, Joshua Juran wrote: On a more serious note, why is replacing Intel chips important? Apple ditched PPC ostensibly because there was no new chip for laptops. So here we are with Intel, and Apple just released the new MBA with the *old* Core 2 Duo chip. Why? Because Intel's upgrade offerings are crap - slow, power piggy, and saddled with horribly slow graphics. At the higher-end, the Core i3/5/7/9 chips are ok, as long as you're willing to ignore the seriously high speed POWER chips etc. Just squeeze your eyes and a** tightly closed and repeat the mantra: We have to have computers that can also run Windows. Speed aside (the avg consumer really doesn't need umpteen GHz), IMO, the reliability issue is the biggie... Back in the PPC days, we considered buying AppleCare because it often never got used. These days, I will not sell or recommend ANY x86 based Mac without it. FWIW, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
On Oct 29, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Dan wrote: Back in the PPC days, we considered buying AppleCare because it often never got used. These days, I will not sell or recommend ANY x86 based Mac without it. My Intel iMac has given me much less trouble than my iBook G4, and my father's MacBook has lasted much longer than his iBook. From my experience Intel Macs have been much more reliable than PowerPC models, though I attribute that to the constant refining and improvement of the designs, not which chip the computers use. I must say, though, that PowerPC laptops were much more usable, with removable batteries, PC cards, and a huge amount of ports. Now the side of the 17 MacBook Pro looks like an Ice iBook G3, very simple in comparison to the side of the 17 PowerBook G4. Sure, the new one may have more USB ports, but I'd rather have FireWire 400, S-Video, a real DVI port, and a PC card port any day (and, while I think dial-up should have been vanquished a decade ago, it is nice to have a modem for when I'm somewhere that doesn't have real internet, or if I need to send a fax). And, of course, PowerPC computers had much better names. MacBook sounds like what a Dell hacked to run OS X should be called, and Mac Pro is even more uninspired. PowerBook was one of the best product names of all time and I still can't believe that Apple just abandoned it for such an awful name, plus now the grid that Steve Jobs made such a big deal over no longer works (sure Mac Pro and MacBook Pro match, but what is iMac doing there?). PowerPC will always be my favorite, but when even the newest models are four years old (with designs that are five years old), they are quickly becoming unusable for many purposes. Most modern video sites like Netflix and Hulu won't even run properly, if at all, on PowerPC. At least it looks like my PowerBook G4 will still serve me well as a secondary laptop for a while longer, but the days of being able to use a PowerPC computer as a primary desktop in the modern world are over. Steven -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac
You could however, use the Tiger disk to re format the HD and install 10.4.5. Then install 10.5 and run applications for both OSs'. This brings up the question Will iLife and some other programs be installed, and work after you reinstall Leopard?. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Jim Scott jesco...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 9, 2009, at 2:20 PM, Amanda Ward wrote: Hi All, I finally broke down and bought a new Mac. Okay... all the Macs I've bought have been new =to me=, but this one is like really new... I'm owner number one. It's the iMac 20 2.4GHz model. I =really= want the 24 3.06 GHz, but do I really NEED it. No prolly not. I'm a little amazed at the performance increase over my G4/1.6GHz. Gregory wasn't a slouch, but Irving (the iMac) just screams! He has 1GB ram... would increasing to 2GB show a significant performance boost? I don't do a lot of heavy graphics/video/audio work... mostly watching movies while working on an occasional spreadsheet. Lastly... can an Intel Mac boot Tiger... and do it from an external Firewire drive? I ask because I have a few apps that aren't upgraded for Leopard. On the G4 running 10.5 , I could boot from the external drive with 10.4 and run them. Thanks for any advice Amanda Welcome to the Intel iMac Club! Your easiest upgrade is to max out the RAM, which is very inexpensive these days. I recently bought a pair of 2 GB sticks for my mid-2007 iMac 20 2.4 GHz for about $50, shipped, from OWC. A similar 4 GB upgrade for yours runs about the same. Even at 2 GB, you will notice an improvement, but you'll definitely see it with 4 GB. Generally speaking, a stock Mac cannot boot and run from an OS that predates the one installed at the factory. So you won't be able to boot 10.4 from an external drive and run it on your Intel iMac. And, yes, I really wanted a 24 too, but $ is $. :^) Jim --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to Low End Mac's iMac List, a group for those using G3, G4, G5, and Intel Core iMacs as well as Apple eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to imaclist-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New Mac
The differences in RAM wont be noticed by the naked eye, for the most part, unless you are gaming, but the computer will notice it because the processor wont have as many divided programs comming to it, and your HD will love you for it because it wont be jumping around as much while using VM. So more RAM is always a good idea. On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 12:56 AM, Amanda Ward amanda.w...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Jim, On Jan 9, 2009, at 2:55 PM, Jim Scott wrote: Yes, assuming Amanda's is a new Intel iMac, which her comments indicated to me, it will not be able to boot from any version of OS 10.4. However, my Intel iMac, which was bought new in October 2007, shipped with OS 10.4.10 installed. And because it shipped the very day, Oct. 26, Leopard was introduced, a copy of Mac OS X Leopard CPU Drop-in DVD was included in the box. So, Amanda, if you're reading this and want to trade for an Intel iMac that will boot both 10.4.10 and 10.5.6, let's talk. Heh-heh. :^) Jim Yeah, it's one of the new ones and came with Leopard. The migration assistant seemed to transfer most of the things I wanted, however my Adobe apps complain about being moved and require a permissions change before starting up!? They work okay, just need an extra step (or two) to get going. I upgraded the ram to 4 GB. Fry's had a Crucial ram kit for $44.95. To be honest, I don't see much difference, but I haven't really had a lot of things going on yet. I ran xbench before and after and that noted some improvements in performance. My s...@home client seems to be cranking out workunits a little faster... of course that may just be my perception because with more ram it simply =must= be working better!!! ;-) I have to say, it's an excellent machine and I'm glad I took the plunge. My only complaint, and it's a small one, is the placement of the optical drive slot. It's just a little hard to find without leaning way over to see it. Still... I don't see how they could have done it any differently. Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to Low End Mac's iMac List, a group for those using G3, G4, G5, and Intel Core iMacs as well as Apple eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to imaclist-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New Mac
On Jan 14, 2009, at 12:16 PM, Kyle Parish wrote: You could however, use the Tiger disk to re format the HD and install 10.4.5. Then install 10.5 and run applications for both OSs'. This brings up the question Will iLife and some other programs be installed, No, because iLife is not installed as part of the OS and work after you reinstall Leopard?. Yes. There's no need whatsoever to install 10.4 first. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to Low End Mac's iMac List, a group for those using G3, G4, G5, and Intel Core iMacs as well as Apple eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to imaclist-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New Mac
On Jan 9, 2009, at 2:20 PM, Amanda Ward wrote: Hi All, I finally broke down and bought a new Mac. Okay... all the Macs I've bought have been new =to me=, but this one is like really new... I'm owner number one. It's the iMac 20 2.4GHz model. I =really= want the 24 3.06 GHz, but do I really NEED it. No prolly not. I'm a little amazed at the performance increase over my G4/1.6GHz. Gregory wasn't a slouch, but Irving (the iMac) just screams! He has 1GB ram... would increasing to 2GB show a significant performance boost? I don't do a lot of heavy graphics/video/audio work... mostly watching movies while working on an occasional spreadsheet. Lastly... can an Intel Mac boot Tiger... and do it from an external Firewire drive? I ask because I have a few apps that aren't upgraded for Leopard. On the G4 running 10.5 , I could boot from the external drive with 10.4 and run them. Thanks for any advice Amanda Welcome to the Intel iMac Club! Your easiest upgrade is to max out the RAM, which is very inexpensive these days. I recently bought a pair of 2 GB sticks for my mid-2007 iMac 20 2.4 GHz for about $50, shipped, from OWC. A similar 4 GB upgrade for yours runs about the same. Even at 2 GB, you will notice an improvement, but you'll definitely see it with 4 GB. Generally speaking, a stock Mac cannot boot and run from an OS that predates the one installed at the factory. So you won't be able to boot 10.4 from an external drive and run it on your Intel iMac. And, yes, I really wanted a 24 too, but $ is $. :^) Jim --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to Low End Mac's iMac List, a group for those using G3, G4, G5, and Intel Core iMacs as well as Apple eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to imaclist-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New Mac
Amanda I bought an Intel iMac 17 1.83Ghz when the first came out and it came with 512MB of RAM (running Tiger), the jump to 1GB made a massive improvement. The move from 1GB to 2GB was also noticeable. I would recommend upping from 1GB to 2GB especially under Leopard. Intel Macs can run Tiger, but you need an Intel version of Tiger. A Leopard DVD will install on either PowerPC or Intel machine. Tiger however requires specific discs depending on the architecture you are using. All retail versions of Tiger prior to 10.4.4 were PowerPC only. After 10.4.4 you can install them on either architecture (someone correct me if I am wrong). Intel Macs use APM as a partition scheme but Intel use GUID as a partitioning scheme. Therefore a Tiger/Leopard installation from a PowerPC Mac will not boot an Intel Mac and visa versa. If you require Tiger on an external, I suggest you find a retail version of Tiger which is higher than 10.4.4 and install it on an external drive with GUID partitioning. Simon On 9 Jan 2009, at 22:20, Amanda Ward wrote: Hi All, I finally broke down and bought a new Mac. Okay... all the Macs I've bought have been new =to me=, but this one is like really new... I'm owner number one. It's the iMac 20 2.4GHz model. I =really= want the 24 3.06 GHz, but do I really NEED it. No prolly not. I'm a little amazed at the performance increase over my G4/1.6GHz. Gregory wasn't a slouch, but Irving (the iMac) just screams! He has 1GB ram... would increasing to 2GB show a significant performance boost? I don't do a lot of heavy graphics/video/audio work... mostly watching movies while working on an occasional spreadsheet. Lastly... can an Intel Mac boot Tiger... and do it from an external Firewire drive? I ask because I have a few apps that aren't upgraded for Leopard. On the G4 running 10.5 , I could boot from the external drive with 10.4 and run them. Thanks for any advice Amanda --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk --- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to Low End Mac's iMac List, a group for those using G3, G4, G5, and Intel Core iMacs as well as Apple eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to imaclist-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New Mac
On 9 Jan 2009, at 22:36, Jim Scott wrote: Generally speaking, a stock Mac cannot boot and run from an OS that predates the one installed at the factory. So you won't be able to boot 10.4 from an external drive and run it on your Intel iMac. On Jan 9, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Simon Royal wrote: Jim Thanks. I had forgotten that. Depending on which model she has will depend on her option for booting to 10.4 There is a 20 2.4Ghz Core 2 Duo model from 2007 that originally came with 10.4 and was later shipped with 10.5 - so therefore this model will be able to boot to an 10.4 installation on an external drive. There is also a 20 2.4Ghz Core 2 Duo from 2008, this only came with 10.5 and therefore your comment is correct. Simon Yes, assuming Amanda's is a new Intel iMac, which her comments indicated to me, it will not be able to boot from any version of OS 10.4. However, my Intel iMac, which was bought new in October 2007, shipped with OS 10.4.10 installed. And because it shipped the very day, Oct. 26, Leopard was introduced, a copy of Mac OS X Leopard CPU Drop-in DVD was included in the box. So, Amanda, if you're reading this and want to trade for an Intel iMac that will boot both 10.4.10 and 10.5.6, let's talk. Heh-heh. :^) Jim --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to Low End Mac's iMac List, a group for those using G3, G4, G5, and Intel Core iMacs as well as Apple eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to imaclist-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New Mac
On Jan 9, 2009, at 3:40 PM, Simon Royal wrote: Amanda I bought an Intel iMac 17 1.83Ghz when the first came out and it came with 512MB of RAM (running Tiger), the jump to 1GB made a massive improvement. The move from 1GB to 2GB was also noticeable. I would recommend upping from 1GB to 2GB especially under Leopard. I concur..upgrading the memory is cheap and effective. I have the 20 Core Duo model, and with 1GB it was heir to all sorts of maddening slowdowns and pauses. I typically have a lot of apps open, but none very heavy on the CPU. Intel Macs can run Tiger, but you need an Intel version of Tiger. Not the new AL ones. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to Low End Mac's iMac List, a group for those using G3, G4, G5, and Intel Core iMacs as well as Apple eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to imaclist-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
