[lace] R: Lace magazine / official email addresses

[Nancy Neff]

It's also perhaps worth noting that what Jeri has cited simply as "(ISP)"
is "gmail.com" in the case of the NELG addresses.  Are the 'free' (i.e.,
ad-supported) email services US-only or would they be available in the UK?
Because not only are the addresses "anonymous" in the sense that they don't
change even as the people behind them do, NELG doesn't pay anything for
those addresses or for the email service.

Nancy
Connecticut, USA
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Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 16:32:52 -0400
From: jeria...@aol.com
Subject: [lace] Re: Lace magazine/ official email addresses
... Eight official officers of the New England Lace Group (approximately
100  members) all have addresses formatted like the 2  that follow:
_NELGPresident@(ISP_ (mailto:NELGPresident@(ISP) )  _NELGLibrarian@(ISP_
(mailto:NELGLibrarian@(ISP) )These  e-mail addresses never change.
They are reassigned after  elections or upon being appointed to a
position.  Any of 8 officers may write to one (or all) members, and we
know  precisely in what capacity they are communicating.

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[lace] Re: [lace] Re: Fwd: [lace] ☠so amazing and beautiful -- don't even open the email!

[Nancy Neff]

I agree it's spam. Best not to even open the email, much less clicking on
the link. Some viruses activate when an email message is opened, and don't
require clicking on a hyperlink.

Nancy
Connecticut, USA

On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 7:31 AM,  wrote:

> My email filters flagged that one as spam/malware, and I agree with them -
> if
> it does reach anyone's inbox, delete it ( don't click on the link).
> Beth
>

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Re: [lace] Lier Lace??

[Nancy Neff]

It's a city in Belgium:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lier,_Belgium

Nancy
Connecticut, USA

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 7:43 PM, mary carey  wrote:

> Could someone please explain to this uneducated Lacemaker what Lier is?
> It is
> a name I have not heard before.
>

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Re: [lace] lappets, each pair unique? Honiton v. Flemish?

[Nancy Neff]

Devon,

I'm with Lorelei, I can't see tallies, so I'm not sure of this
identification, but if it's braids connecting the motifs, how about
mid-18th C Brussels? Laurie Waters identified a very similar piece for me
as "Brussels a Brides", probably Flemish given the quality.

Elizabeth Kurella makes a good argument for avoiding the label Point
d'Angleterre altogether because it was used for two distinctly different
kinds of lace. I'll check the details when I get home, so I don't muddle
the info.

Nancy

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 7:40 PM, Lorelei Halley 
wrote:

> Devon
> Very interesting. I couldn't get close enough to either piece to see
> tallies
> or other details. Stylistically these fit in the first 2 decades of the
> 1700s. I would think the label "Flemish" is appropriate, or possibly "early
> Brussels". This doesn't fit with the pieces usually called "point
> d'Angleterre" (which usually match mid 18th c style).
> As to whether they might be Honiton, the problem is that we don't have any
> external evidence of what Honiton laces looked like in the 18th century. We
> do know that 19th and 20th c Honiton Liked to use many different fillings
> in
> the same piece, and many of those are tally-based. But that does not give
> us
> certainty that 18th century Honiton did the same. In fact we don't even
> have
> any certainty that the Devon area made any part lace bobbin lace during
> that
> time. Levey seems to think there was some (she coined the term "Bath
> Brussels" to describe that kind). What I am sure of is that we can't assume
> that 18th century Honiton (if it existed) looked anything like 19th or 20th
> c Honiton.
> Going back to your 2 examples -- those braids which connect the motifs to
> each other are typical of laces from the early 18th c.
> Lorelei
>
>
> From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of
> devonth...@gmail.com
> Subject: [lace] lappets, each pair unique? Honiton v. Flemish?
> In my continuing study of whether the term point db
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Re: [lace] copies!

[Nancy Neff]

Alex et al.,

I realize that copyright has been discussed before on Arachne, but I think
it's important that someone respond to Alex's initial statement. I agree
with you that once you give out a pattern, you have (almost) no control
over who copies it, but it is NOT in the public domain, at least not in the
US.  (What I say here I believe applies to the US at least, and I thought
to the UK and most of the rest of Europe as well.) The creator of a design,
diagram, set of instructions, text, score, etc. owns the copyright until
their death (and it is my understanding that it then becomes a question of
whether their estate renews the copyright or not), unless it is explicitly
signed over to someone else or explicitly put into the public domain. It is
my understanding that giving copies to a class, for example, is not putting
it in the public domain.

Practically speaking, once you give out a pattern, you are dependent on
people's honesty either not to copy it, or to ask permission, or to pay you
for it. Distributing a pattern without at least a name on it is making it
unreasonably difficult (IMHO) for people to be honest about it, and I think
it would be difficult to defend one's copyright in that case. However, the
lace-making community is small enough and sufficiently networked that, if
someone's name is on a pattern, then the honest thing to do is to track
down the person and ask about acquiring a copy.

Where US law gives latitude, and makes it a judgment call, is the "fair
use" clause. I'm clearer about this clause in the case of a book: one has
the right to copy a limited portion of a published work for personal use.
Obviously an immediate question is what is meant by "limited"--I don't know
and I expect the attorneys would be glad to discuss it at length, for a
fee, but we can apply some common sense here. One factor determining
"personal use" is that the portion that is copied not be sold. This means
that I can copy a single pattern out of a book of patterns in the library,
for example, for my own use, without violating US copyright law. (That
doesn't mean that one should do so, however. The lace community is small
enough, and hence the market for lace books is small enough, that we should
be supporting our designers and authors.)  How the fair use clause would
apply to a stand-alone pattern that includes pricking, working diagram,
perhaps written instructions, perhaps a photo of the finished lace? I don't
know, but it would definitely not permit copying the entire thing, even
just for personal use.

Nancy
Connecticut, USA



On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 6:31 AM, Alex Stillwell 
wrote:

> Hi Kim
>
> I agree with you.
>
> Once you give out a pattern it is in the public domain and you have no
> control
> over who copies it. If you wish to keep it to yourself don’t give anyone
> the
> pattern.  I don’t mind friends sharing or teachers supplying my patterns
at
> no cost, (please do not pass on the working instructions, they often take
> more
> time to write than the design itself) particularly if they acknowledge
> that it
> is my design.  The time I got cross was when one of my students reported a
> supplier was selling one of my designs.
>
> Perhaps if more lacemakers learned to design there would be less copying.
> It
> takes a time, the replies we have are typical, but it is very rewarding.
>
> Blow the dust, let,s design
>
> Alex
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Re: [lace] Lacemaking

[Nancy Neff]

Devon -- I think "off-loom weaving" would correctly apply to only bobbin
lace, since needlelace is a form of "off-fabric embroidery" rather than
weaving, no?

This could start another round of definition discussions!

Nancy
Connecticut

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Devon Thein  wrote:

> Next time use the term "off loom weaving".
> Devon
>
>

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Re: [lace] Lace in Fashion Exhibit in Bath - Shared Lace Viewing Opportunities

[Nancy Neff]

I second Liz's recommendation. The very first thing I put in Google ("Lace
in Fashion exhibition" without the quotes) turned up quite a number of
articles, reviews, blogs, etc. I'm sure that more poking around will turn
up more hits.  For example, I found this amazing Pinterest board:
https://www.pinterest.com/fashion_museum/curators-pick-lace-in-fashion-inspiration/
 Practically as good as being there!

Nancy
Connecticut, USA

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 3:48 PM, ELIZABETH PASS 
wrote:

> Dear Jerry,
>
> The best way to find out more about the Lace in Fashion exhibition on Bath
> is to GOOGLE.  There are various reviews etc. and the images are beautiful.
>
> I've no connection with public relations so can't help with your
> suggestion, but I can tell you that I am planning to visit Bath in the
> Autumn, so will let you know what I think then.
>
> Best wishes,
> Liz Pass
> in Poole, Dorset,UK
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Re: [lace] Anne of Green Gables

[Nancy Neff]

Hi Devon,

Do you include Battenberg and Princess laces in "revival era lace"? because
there was a lot of that being made. I realize that's really a form of
needle lace rather than bobbin lace, but I don't see that the OP specified
bobbin lace, just "lace".

Nancy
Connecticut, USA

On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 12:37 PM, Devon Thein  wrote:

> My guess would be that they were making revival era lace like everyone else
> in 1908. So, winging it here, I would suggest cluny style laces that look
> medieval.

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Re: [lace] Lace: Point ground laces

[Nancy Neff]

Hi Karen,

What are the angles of the grounds in the Ipswich lace samples?

Nancy
Connecticut, USA

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Karen Thompson 
wrote:

> It is with great interest that I have followed the conversations about
> Mechlin, Valenciennes, Binche, etc. and am wondering if the conversation
> can continue with point ground. So far, I have not been able to find a date
> (approximate) for the start of point ground laces. The closest I have come
> is late in the 1700s.  Of the 22 Ipswich lace samples made in Massachusetts
> between 1789 and 1790 and preserved at the Library of Congress, only one of
> them employ point ground, and that is as a filling. Most of the grounds are
> Paris ground/Kat stitch or some version of Torchon, including honeycomb. My
> guess is that point ground was fairly new, but one of the lace makers
> figured out how to make it from a snippet of imported lace.  Any help will
> be greatly appreciated.
>
> -Karen  - usually in Washington, DC or Delaware
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Re: [lace] Mechlin and lace terminology

[Nancy Neff]

Lorelei,

It may be because I am both a collector and a lacemaker, but I don't see
that the two groups differ in what they want to use a name for--to be a
short-hand for some set of data. The data that you as a lacemaker want to
know is the same as what I think collectors want to know--techniques, date,
location of manufacture, materials, and what characteristics enable one to
know date and origin. The fundamental question is which of these data do
you want to base a name on?  The more distinguishing features you use as
the basis for identifying a "kind of lace"--i.e., what one puts a unique
name to--the finer the categories are going to be and the more names will
be in play. Plus you have the difficulty of naming lace that is a
duplicate, made yesterday, of an antique piece, since I think both
lacemakers and collectors would consider the later copy to be different
from the original, however close to identical the two are.

My second observation is that the terminology problem really arises from
the fact that there are few discontinuities in the history of lace; for any
two related kinds of lace, one can usually find examples that are
intermediate between the two, or combine features from one with features
from the other. Any terminology is going to have problems with items that
fall on a spectrum or, worse, vary in multiple dimensions as lace does.

I suspect that my solution for my own use will be to base a set of names on
only the techniques used in the lace, and apply adjectives to those names
as needed to communicate the other metadata, especially date, because
usually all the rest are inferred from techniques and design. However, I
will withhold that suggestion as well as specific comment on your
classification until I have found my old notes and thought more about it
all again, since this revisits something I attempted to do about 10 years
ago (except to ask whether you meant to exclude Valenciennes or is that an
oversight?).

Many thanks to Devon, I think it was, for opening this particularly
interesting can of worms!

Nancy A. Neff
Connecticut, USA

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 7:05 PM, Lorelei Halley 
wrote:

> We have a constant problem with terminology, partly because we comprise 2
> different groups of people - collectors and lace makers. ... As
> I understand it, the collectors want a name they can use to reference a
> particular piece in a way that gives collectors an idea what to expect. I
> would like to hear from collectors on this issue, particularly what they
> consider the purpose of a name for a lace. ...
>
> The problem comes in when us lacemakers get into the conversation. My
> perspective is always that of a lace maker - what techniques are used in
> this piece, what do I have to know to reproduce this. I also would like
> terminology to refer to time, to distinguish antique from modern designs of
> that type, and to distinguish century or half century for antique laces...

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[lace] Dating Mechlin...

[Nancy Neff]

Jeri,

Laurie Waters reported at IOLI that she paid the $500 or so to have a
snippet of some lace radiocarbon-dated last year, with the latest, most
precise technology.  The lace was thought to be 16th or 17th century. The
radiocarbon dating came out with a range that included the putative date,
but had such a large possible error on the date that the conclusion was
that radiocarbon-dating is not precise enough to be useful.

I'm copying Laurie on this post--I have a queasy feeling that I'm
mis-remembering how the dating came out relative to the assigned date, and
I don't find anything hits on "radiocarbon" on LaceNews. She'll send us the
correct info if I've muddled it, although I do believe I am correct that
the possible error on the date was very large.

And BTW, a jeweler's loupe is still very useful 'in the field' so to
speak--there's lots of better tools in the lab, but at a dealer's stall,
the loupe still can't be beat, or is there a convenient tool I'm
overlooking?

Nancy
Connecticut, USA

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 08:18 AM, Jeri Ames eria...@aol.com> wrote:

...Soon we will have laces that have been carbon dated.  The  thread,
that is...

...30 or more years ago, I remember Elizabeth Kurella digging into  her
purse
to find a loop (used by jewelers) so she could examine a  lace brought to
her attention at an Embroiderers' Guild national  seminar.  We've advanced
from that with vision aids...

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Re: [lace] lappets

[Nancy Neff]

Catherine,

I didn't see an answer to your question about Alencon lace, but I don't get
all the [lace] messages, so everybody forgive me if I duplicate someone
else's answer.

Yes, it is apparently still made:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hI1uz0p9sk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_7lwhYEUCk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBws14YwHgw

My French is close to non-existent, so I don't know if there's enough info
in those to provide a lead to find out what thread they use.

Maybe write to the Tourism Bureau to see if they could put you in touch
with someone?
http://www.holidays-alencon.com/discover/point-dalencon-lacework  (The page
cracks me up, however--maybe I'm losing it, but the lace in the heading on
their page is not Alencon needle-lace but rather is Belgian bobbin-lace, if
I'm not mistaken.)

Nancy
Connecticut, USA

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 3:17 AM, Catherine Barley <
catherinebar...@btinternet.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know what brand of thread is currently used in France to make
> their Alencon lace or even if anyone does actually still make Alencon lace?
>

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Re: [lace] Mechlin

[Nancy Neff]

It is interesting that the 17th C and early 18th C straight laces from the
Flanders region are today all referred to as Valenciennes or sometimes
Binche by lace dealers--e.g.,
http://www.mendes.co.uk/antique.bobbin.lace.p.two.html.  As soon as a gimp
appears, then that variant is called Mechlin. This doesn't say what the
historical usage was, of course, but that is the current usage by dealers
for the antique laces.

Nancy
Connecticut, USA

On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 3:52 AM, Alex Stillwell 
wrote:

> ... it would appear that the straight lace made in the Flanders
> region, Mechlin, Binche and Valenciennes etc. was all called Mechlin lace
> until about 1740, although there are some suggestion that it may have been
> as
> early as 1665, and it was only then that the different styles were defined.
>

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Re: [lace] Lappets versus collars and cuffs

[Nancy Neff]

It may also be of interest to note that lace collars and cuffs were during
much of their history worn by men as well as, or at times instead of,
women, whereas lappets were worn only by women.

Nancy
Connecticut, USA

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Re: [lace] Support pin in Binche cloth areas

[Nancy Neff]

Julie,

Maybe you can analyze the working diagram, figure out where the support pin
should go, then add a smaller hole to your pricking in the right place
relative to the existing pin holes.

I think Ulrike thinks it no problem because 1) she has very experienced
lacemakers making the lace for the illustrations in her books, for whom
adding support pins is probably no problem, and 2) she's brilliant and
adding pins that aren't on the pricking is definitely no problem for her. I
think she'd say to add the pin hole to the pricking if that's better for
you.

Nancy
Connecticut, USA

Julie Shalack wrote:

...  It doesn't sound at all fun to me to put pins in freehand.  I don't
> understand why Voelker thinks it is no problem. ...
>
>

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Re: [lace] Promoting Lace - "Lace in Fashion" exhibit in Bath

[Nancy Neff]

The dress in question:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1660s_court_dress.JPG

Parchment lace:

"Cartisane.--Guipure or passementerie made with thin silk- or gilt-covered
strips of parchment."  --  The Dry Goods Economist, 1917, Vol. 71, Issues
3813-3822

"Guipure lace, Parchment lace:  ...Originally Guipure referred to lace made
of gold and silver cords,...Guipure lace was made either with bobbins or
with the needle, sometimes with both, as when the large flowing pattern was
first made on a pillow with bobbins, and the clusters of flowers, leaves,
and ornaments were filled in with stitches worked with a needle. The
English term for this old Guipure was "Parchment lace," and as such it is
frequently noted in inventories.  This same name was made to cover a
trimming made of twisted silk cords, -- what in modern times is known as
passementerie."  Italian Lace History. Reference List of Italian Laces.
http://world4.eu/italian-lace/#Guipure_lace_Parchment_lace

"The word is derived from guipé, a thick cord round which silk is rolled.
Cartisane is a little strip of thin parchment or vellum, which was covered
with silk, gold, or silver thread. The work of Guipure lace-making was done
either with bobbins or with a ..."  M.F.Jackson, 1950, A History of
Hand-Made Lace, p. 163

And do a search on "Cartisane" -- many of the results are in French, which
I no longer read.

HTH.
Nancy
Connecticut, USA


On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 1:34 PM,  wrote:

> ...the 1660
> "silver tissue dress made from fine silk, woven with silver thread  and
> trimmed with parchment lace"?  This is described as "a rare  survival of
> parchment
> lace, a delicate fabric made using tiny strips of  parchment or paper,
> wrapped in silk and incorporated into the design of the  bobbin-made lace."
> ... I would like
> to know more about this:  the thread  and how it was made, the bobbin lace
> technique, and what the reference to  "parchment lace" really means.

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Re: [lace] Valenciennes de Gand, but not quite...

[Nancy Neff]

Very interesting indeed. It's nice to have a reference one can point to for
what I held as an otherwise unsubstantiated opinion. Thanks Devon!

Nancy
Connecticut, USA

On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 1:34 PM,  wrote:

> Since I happen to have all my books in front of me, to Nancy’s point…
>
>
>
> According to Wardle in Victorian Lace, (110-112)...This also meant that a
> lighter type of ground could be made and it was at this period that the
> airy diamond-shaped meshes, by which nineteenth century Valenciennes can
> easily be distinguished from that of the eighteenth century came into
> being.
>
>
>

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Re: [lace] Valenciennes de Gand, but not quite...

[Nancy Neff]

YES! I agree with you Lorelei! I am very dubious of any attribution of a
date earlier than 19th C to any lace with the braided grounds of modern
Val. I think it is very likely that pre-19th C Val wasn't differentiated
from Binche. In the first half of the 19th C, Val and Binche morphed into
the versions we see today. I have a piece of what looks like 18th C Binche
or even earlier, except that it has arcs of tallies as in the later "fairy
lace" version of Binche, so maybe Binche started to develop as a distinct
lace somewhat earlier. It is a recent purchase on eBay--I will post a
picture on Flickr when I get my act together.

Nancy
Connecticut, USA

On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 6:21 PM, Lorelei Halley 
wrote:

> ... I think the lace we commonly refer to as Valenciennes, the Val style,
> dates
> from the end of the 19th and early 20th c. I am not sure that any 18th c
> Val
> looked like the Val we usually think of. Lace was made there, but it used a
> great variety of grounds, not the 4 strand ground that we think of as Val.
> That latter ground seems to be attached to the late 19th ce-early 20th
> version...
>
>

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[lace] Scotland

[Nancy Neff]

Hello all,

Robin's post reminded me that I wanted to post a similar query. This coming
summer I'm going over to drive around Scotland for 5 or 6 weeks looking at
prehistoric sites -- chambered tombs, stone circles, etc. I plan to take a
travel pillow with me, and would love to meet up with any lacemakers or
groups near where I'll be.  I'll be arriving Southampton 13 July, spending
5 days in London (seeing a couple of lacemakers there), then 4 days in
Edinburgh, then heading south, southwest, west, then north up the west
coast and islands, then east to a week or so in Orkney and Shetland, then
south down the east coast, then west to Glasgow to fly home.  Not sure yet
of specifics yet, but will be settling the details soon because I have to
make reservations at B since this will be the height of the tourist
season. (Timing constrained by my determination to take the first
transatlantic sailing to the UK after I retire at the end of May--i.e.
getting out of town ASAP.  Next year's trip(s) will be at more sensible
times.)

So I'd be glad to hear from anybody with any suggestions, while I can still
tweak my schedule and itinerary.

Thanks!
Nancy

Nancy A. Neff
Ashford, Connecticut, USA

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Re: [lace] Missing Emails

[Nancy Neff]

Hi Cindy,

I also no longer get Jeri's emails, and I do check my spam folder every day
or two because this is a 'clean account' and I'm not yet getting genuine
spam. For a while I'd tell my spam folder they were "Not Spam" and move
them out of there, but now they've stopped showing up altogether. Avital
told me that emails from the AOL domain are routinely filtered out by some
email services--maybe gmail has taken to discarding them altogether.

I've also been finding lately that other posts have been missing, although
I haven't been able to find a pattern.

My solution has been to subscribe to both the individual message list and
the digest. I read the posts that I do get as they come in, and I scan the
digests for posts that I haven't seen. I do wish people would trim their
posts, however. I don't think it's a sufficient excuse that you use an iPad
or gmail or whatever--learn to use your tools! There, grumpiness over.

May your threads never break.
Nancy
Connecticut, USA

On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 5:45 PM, Cindy Rusak  wrote:

>
> For some reason, I am no longer receiving Jeri's emails.  Some time ago
> I...
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Re: [lace] Memo from IOLI Bulletin Editor?

[Nancy Neff]

Probably not a legitimate mail from IOLI since I did NOT get it, meaning it
wasn't sent to all IOLI members. Probably used someone's personal address
list.

Best thing to do is to send an email to the Bulletin editor and ask if she
sent something to you.

Nancy

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>
> Did anyone else get an email from Google docs?  Is this a legitimate email
> from IOLI?  Susan Hottle USA
>
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[lace] lacemakers in London?

[Nancy Neff]

Hello fellow Arachneans,

I'm coming to London for a few days next July. I have a number of things I
want to squeeze in, but I thought it might be fun to have an informal
gathering of the close-to-or-within-London members of Arachne since I
expect there are lots of lace groups in the immediate environs of London.
It would be so interesting to meet people you know only through Arachne,
and maybe nice to make lace with a different collection of folks for
variety. I expect there's a lacemaker in London who knows of a church hall
we could meet in for a few hours one afternoon.

If those of you in the catchment area of the above proposal feel you pretty
much  all know each other, then don't mind me!  Here in the US, we are
thinner on the ground, and as a result know more people from further away I
think, whereas I though Arachneans from lace groups on the other side of
London might not necessarily know each other.

The other possibility is that, if there are only two or three interested
Arachneans in London, and you would like to come up to my dorm room (I'm
staying in the new hall in Imperial College London), we can have nibbles
and drinks, or drinks and make lace, or just make lace--your choice.

So who's out there?  Lurkers, present yourselves!!  Anybody in the London
area interested?

Nancy Neff
Connecticut, USA

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Re: [lace] Re: Ithaca lace weekend - Amelia Ars

[Nancy Neff]

The Amelia Ars class was full--it was so popular that a lot of people for
whom it was first choice didn't get in.  Carolyn Wetzel also gave an
extremely interesting talk at the banquet on a type of lush gold and silver
embroidery from 15th and 16th Century Spain. My first choice was Kumiko
Nagasaki's Binche class, but I didn't get into that one because it was the
other very popular class. I'm hoping that Kumiko comes back another year...

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 10:22 AM,  wrote:

> ... Did anybody take the Amelia Ars class?  That really tempted me!
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[lace] Ithaca lace weekend

[Nancy Neff]

Malvary Cole mentioned that many lacemakers in the US were attending the
Finger Lakes Lace Guild's lace weekend.  That includes me, and I wanted to
report that it was GREAT!  As is usual, I spent too much money--two books,
and lots of linen and silk thread to make a scarf. All the classes were
very good, per the reports I heard. I'm sure others can chime in about the
ones they took, but I did a Bucks Point hexagon demonstrating an invisible
start/finish, developed and taught by Holly Van Sciver. It really is
invisible! The techniques that she has come up with take each pair in the
ground that was just sewn in and work it through the next row of ground, so
it looks like everything else because it is. There is a cool trick for
anchoring a pair from the outside of a region of cloth stitch into the
cloth stitch. And pairs from the headside make the last picots, get
sewn into the figured part, and then go out to be anchored in the headside
passives. Overall, the results are amazing.

In short, the weekend was great fun. But then, get that many lacemakers
together and it's sure to be a blast!

Nancy Neff
Connecticut, USA

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[lace] "fuseaux Normands"

[Nancy Neff]

Brian:

There's a book "Dentelle de Normandie", by Florence Quinette.  There are 4
very good pictures of bobbins, one picture showing noquettes covering the
thread.

The book is in both French and English. There is at least one copy
available through Amazon, and Holly Van Sciver carries it.

I think maybe this is the book you are looking for.

HTH,
Nancy
Connecticut USA

--
 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 17:06:46 +1000
From: "Brian Lemin" 
Subject: [lace] Looking for a book?

Does anyone happen to have a copy of the book, "Fuseaux Normands"

 I have no more information that that. no author, no publisher. nothing.
sorry.
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Re: [lace] Danish 'Little Hearts'

[Nancy Neff]

Hi Lori,

There's a pattern in Skovgaard's "The Technique of Tonder Lace" call "The
little heart of Denmark"--do you think that's it?  Pattern 9, pp.. 56-57,
if you need to request it from the IOLI Librarian.

Nancy

Nancy A. Neff
Connecticut, USA

On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Lorri Ferguson  wrote:

> I am looking for the pattern for the Danish 'Little Hearts'.  Does anyone
> know
> which book or books it is in?
>
> I want to make it for my daughter's wedding veil.
>
>
> I know I have seen it and should have it somewhere but I can't find it
> today.
>
>
> Needing your help,  Lorri Ferguson
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[lace] OIDFA - 2018 Congress Cancellation

[Nancy Neff]

On 29 Aug 2016 Jeri wrote:
...Every dispute has at least 2 sides, and the Belgians have been politely
silent about theirs

Not entirely silent -- for a little bit from the Belgian side of the
dispute, see the LaceNews interview with the President of the Belgian
group:
https://lacenews.net/2016/08/09/interview-veerle-meersschaut-president-of-brugge-2018-vzw/
.

Nancy

Nancy A. Neff
Connecticut, USA

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Re: [lace] is this spam?

[Nancy Neff]

Sorry, forgot to trim my reply. My new email interface hides the original
message, and "out of sight, out of mind", or in my case "blind idiot".

Nancy, clueless in Connecticut USA

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Alison Gray  wrote:
>
>> I have just had a couple of messages supposedly from Carol Adkinson, I
>> don't
>> believe they are, is this spam? Did anyone else get them?
>>
>

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Re: [lace] is this spam?

[Nancy Neff]

Yes, spam.  I received one at both my new and old email addresses.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Alison Gray  wrote:

> Hi
>
>
>
> I have just had a couple of messages supposedly from Carol Adkinson, I
> don't
> believe they are, is this spam? Did anyone else get them?
>
>
>
> Carol, if this is you let me know.
>
>
>
> Alison in cloudy Colchester, Essex, UK
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[lace] luck to my lace pillow?

[Nancy Neff]

I must tell someone about this. I had a visit this afternoon from the
tiniest spider I've ever seen--her body is the size of the head of a lace
pin (not a glass-headed pin but a regular lace pin), She walked all over
the lace I was working on, climbing up individual pins and weaving through
the forest of pins. She even spun a tiny web between a pair of pins farther
apart than the rest, out by themselves because I'd already removed the pins
around them. I couldn't see the web but I could tell it was there because
she'd walk from one of the pins to other through thin air between them.
After about a hour of keeping me company while I continued to make lace,
she started for the edge of the pillow, so I had her walk up on my
fingernail and transferred her to a windowsill.

I think I was visited by Arachne herself and I shall have luck on that
pillow!

Nancy
bemused in Connecticut, USA

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[lace] Footside start

[Nancy Neff]

I vaguely remember instructions somewhere on how to start continuous lace
so the edge of the start looked like the footside.  Or was it how to finish
it?  Anyway, one of the ends of the length ended up looking like footside,
so it was neatly finished.

Does anyone have a reference to an explanation of how to do this?

Thanks!
Nancy
Connecticut, USA

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Lace collections (was [lace] Glue/Adhesives & Lace)

[Nancy Neff]

Jeri & Arachnoids,

You made an interesting comment about too few antique laces still being in
the public domain.  I have a significant collection of 18th C Binche/Val
and Mechlin, even a few pieces yards long and in pristine condition. My
collection also includes perhaps a hundred or so other pieces of bobbin
and needle lace, a dozen of those museum quality and the rest ranging
from interesting study specimens to a handful of junk (collected early on
in ignorance). I feel rather guilty about having so many good pieces.
especially of one particular and rather rare type.

 My question is what do I do in my Will about this collection?  I don't
want it sold for the pieces just to get buried in someone (else's) private
collection, but I'm concerned about a museum selling or even discarding the
study pieces, even some of the early 18th C pieces simply because there are
so many in my collection.

Obviously a museum of some sort is probably the appropriate place for the
really good pieces, and perhaps a lace group(s) of some sort would take the
study pieces. When considering museums, I'd like the pieces to go back to
Belgium, except they aren't taking their own collections seriously anymore.

What do you (both Jeri and the rest of the list) recommend?  What have
those of you who are collectors done in your Wills, and do you have plans
to dispose of some things before death--if so, how?

If you agree with putting the better pieces in a museum, what museum do you
recommend? Is there any way to keep a study collection (not spectacular
specimens but examples that show something of a type of lace or type of
construction etc.) "in the public domain."?

I'd be interested in any and all comments, recommendations, suggestions,
etc.

Thanks,
Nancy
Connecticut, USA


On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 3:58 PM,  wrote:

> ...
> Let us consider antique laces.  Too few are still in the public  domain
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Re: [lace] Antique divider pins?

[Nancy Neff]

Brian,  It seems to me that the primary point of the list is to help one
another, so in my book it's more than okay to keep posting requests for
help.  Besides, I find your queries interesting, even though I have nothing
to offer--the only old bobbins I have are continentals, except for two
Midlands which are nothing to speak of. So you have my vote to keep posting
requests for help as long as it's useful to do so!--Nancy, Connecticut

  From: Brian Lemin 
 To: lace@arachne.com
 Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 7:55 PM
 Subject: [lace] Antique divider pins?
Is it ok I keep asking you good people for help?  I could ask my "particular
friends" (Jane Austin) if it is a hassle.

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Re: [lace] (Lace) E'Bay seller

[Nancy Neff]

Hi Avital,
Can the sender of the email below be blocked from this list? or at least given
a warning if similar posts continue.  I found the tone of the email
offensive, especially directed at two of our most helpful, pleasant list
members, and when what was being discussed were photocopies from known
sources.
Thanks.
NancyConnecticut
   From: Manie Kriel m...@mweb.co.za
 To: The Lace Bee thelace...@btinternet.com; Daphne Martin
ladylace...@msn.com
Cc: Arachne lace@arachne.com
 Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 12:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [lace] (Lace) E'Bay seller

Your are not totally correct!

There are many copies of patterns which are so old that the original
designer cannot be traced!
So do NOT assumed you are a know all

Manie


On 20/07/2015 04:18 PM, The Lace Bee wrote:
 I asked the seller if these were the original book / magazine or
photocopies
 and he came back with this answer:

 Hello, these are just scraps, mainly photocopies. Random mix. They were
 important enough to keep, by the Lacemaker who owned them, so i thought the
 public might like them. This is the last lot.
 yours G J Flattery

 I responded with:

 If they are photocopies of patterns then you should not sell them as the
law
 on copyright states that copies can be made for personal use but not to
 resell. The lacemaker would have made a copy to make the pattern from.
That's
 why they would have kept them. If this was for the book then the price is
 reasonable as this is what it is going for on Amazone but not for
photocopies
 which are copyright infringements

 He then turned threatening with:

 i had already guess that you were a troublemaker.  i will be watching your
 listings in the future.

 I have thanked him nicely for his polite reply and promptly reported him to
 ebay.  He has withdrawn the item and then threatened me again.

 Lovely man.

 Kind Regards
 Liz Baker


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[lace] Re: [) E'Bay seller

[Nancy Neff]

I agree with you, Diana, that lots of people don't know about copyright law,
and to that extent then one would hope that explaining it to him
politely would be useful.  What I object to is the tone of his two posts on
Arachne, including name-calling and slurs against what country I live in. I
am very surprised that he has 100% positive feedback on ebay given
his readiness to resort rather rapidly to a hostile tone in his posts to
Arachne.
Arachne is an extremely civil and thoughtful community, and I suspect that
we'd all like to see it stay that way.
NancyConnecticut
   From: Diana Smith diana.trevo...@btinternet.com
 To: Arachne lace@arachne.com
 Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 6:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [lace] (Lace) E'Bay seller

We have all this knowledge because let's face it we go through it all
regularly! This person, who has excellent one hundred per cent feedback on
eBay, was not to know. So give the chap a break please ladies.

Diana

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Re: [lace] Arachne Commemoratives

[Nancy Neff]

I like the look of Alison Tolson's painting--she does do a lovely job.  Her
range of continentals is very limited, however, so I would recommend Chris
Parsons because he has a wider range of bobbin types, and his artists do a
lovely job also.  And Janet Theaker's email said he'd also do squares and
tatting shuttles.
NancyConnecticut, USA
   From: AGlez antje.gonza...@gmail.com
 To: Noelene Lafferty noel...@lafferty.com.au
Cc: Arachne lace@arachne.com
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 9:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [lace] Arachne Commemoratives

Hello all,

I have been speaking with Alison Tolson and she can supply all the types of
bobbins listed and will be able to supply tatting shuttles too. She can


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Re: [lace] Commemoratives

[Nancy Neff]

Could we please make sure that whomever we pick will do continentals as well
as midlands?  I didn't see any Binche or Bayeux or anything other than
midlands on Stuart Johnson's site.  I'd like to get a bobbin that I could use
on my pillow, and I use only Binche or Bayeux.  The painter that
Antje suggested, Alison Tolson, appears to paint continentals--at least
Bayeux based on the photos on her web-site, and I know Chris Parsons does
several continental styles.
Thanks,NancyConnecticut USA, where it's finally above freezing and the snow is
melting, like the coming of Aslan!
   From: David C COLLYER dccoll...@ncable.net.au
 To: Noelene Lafferty noel...@lafferty.com.au; lace@arachne.com
 Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 8:44 AM
 Subject: RE: [lace] Commemoratives

Might I suggest Chris Parsons in the UK be approached to do a commemorative

While he's great I reckon Stuart JOHNSON is better.

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Re: [lace] Norfolk Lacemakers

[Nancy Neff]

google Louise West lace and look at the images. Some fantastic lace and at
least one picture of her concrete panels.
NancyConnecticut, where it doesn't seem ever to stop snowing...
   From: Sue Harvey 2harv...@tiscali.co.uk
 To: Lace@Arachne. Com lace@arachne.com
 Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2015 6:22 PM
 Subject: [lace] Norfolk Lacemakers

Have had a wonderful  lace day at the Open Academy.  The speaker was a lady
by the name of Louise West and the subject was  from lace to concrete and
boy did she blow our minds.  From taking up lace for City  Guilds she
progressed through to design and actually designed  some mind blowing concave
concrete panels for a building in Germany I simply cannot explain in an email
the things this young lady has achieved including some fantastic jewellery and
many large pieces that took your breath away . If you get a chance to go to
one of her talks I am sure you would all love it.

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Re: [lace] RE: Mathematics and lace

[Nancy Neff]

Hi Veronika,
Congrats on your paper--I'm glad to see someone competent working on this. (Jo
also!) I knew 7 or 8 years ago that there was some gold to be mined for bobbin
lace in braid theory (I posted to Arachne a few years ago about it), but I
didn't have the math to tackle it.  Good for you!
By the way, have you seen Ulrike Voelker's 4-volume loose-leafed book on
grounds--Viele Gute Grunde?  I can't remember when it was published but it
may have been under her maiden name Ulrike Lohr.  (Umlaut on Lohr--this mail
program won't let me put it in.)  You may find it interesting to compare what
she has done with what your program is producing.
Nancy NeffConnecticut USA
   From: Veronika Irvine v...@uvic.ca
 To: Arachne Lace lace@arachne.com
 Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 1:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [lace] RE: Mathematics and lace

Hello Arachne readers,

Thank you for your interest in my research and experiments.  Any feedback or
suggestions are greatly appreciated.  Feel free to post them here, email me
directly or participate in the discussion on the laceioli site.

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[lace] Nottingham's Bucks Point book

[Nancy Neff]

Since the list has been so quiet, maybe I can bother you all with a question,
the answer to which I should know but I've lost my notes.
Which is the really good version of Pamela Nottingham's Bucks Point book? 
I've been told there are two editions, or maybe two versions more different
than just editions, and one is much better than the other.  I have
one copyright 1981, called The Technique of Bucks Point Lace.  Is that the
better of the two?  If not, what is the date and title of the other one?
Thanks all.NancyConnecticut, where I am in the NE corner, got over 2 feet of
snow, and am not yet completely dug out. :-(  I'm inside giving my back a
break.

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Re: [lace] Fwd: Lace lamp lens

[Nancy Neff]

Very interesting! Thanks for the info, David. The entry on Luneburg lenses in 
Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luneburg_lens ) includes this sentence 
The solution takes a simple and explicit form if one focal point lies at 
infinity, and the other on the opposite surface of the lens. which sounds to 
me as if it describes the light from a lace lamp.
 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA

 From: David C COLLYER dccoll...@ncable.net.au
To: lace@arachne.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 9:54 AM
Subject: [lace] Fwd: Lace lamp lens
  

Dear friends,
A friend of mine has been intrigued by how the old lacemakers lamps 
actually worked - you know the candle behind the glass sphere filled 
with distilled water. He put this problem to a scientists friend who 
replied with this formula. It's way beyond what I can remember of 
maths. I just hope it appears on arachne as I see it here.
David in Ballarat, AUS


I think if you put some water in the bowl you'd get something like this:

T = \int _{(r_{1},\theta_{1})}^{(r_{2},\theta_{2})}\frac{n(r)}{


Making it a Luneburg lens...


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Re: [lace] Fwd: Lace lamp lens

[Nancy Neff]

 Sorry sorry!!  I forgot to trim, and I do sympathize with the digest 
subscribers.  Mea culpa.

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[lace] Re: OT -- craft but not lace

[Nancy Neff]

 
Just want to let everyone know that the heavy-weight yarn has been spoken
for and is going to a good home.  Thanks!
 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA 

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[lace] OT -- craft but not lace

[Nancy Neff]

 
I apologize for using the Arachne list for this, but I wanted to reach
deserving knitters and I know that many on Arachne also knit non-lace items. 
I'm retrieving things from my parents' old house, before the movers come in
to clean it out and haul everything off to a flea market or the dump.  In the
cedar chest I found 10 big skeins of Spinnerin 4-ply Fisherman Yarn, each
100 grams/3.5 oz, 100% virgin wool, unscoured, undyed.  It is a beautiful
cream color.  They are the old-style tied hanks.  
 
I don't want it to go off
to the flea market where it's chancy whether it would be found by someone who
would appreciate it.  Therefore if someone on Arachne who knits wants it, they
can have it all for the cost of my shipping it to them.  Please reply to me
privately -- first come, first served.
 
Thank you to all Arachneans for
letting me use the list for this.
 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA

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Re: [lace] footside

[Nancy Neff]

 How about Ipswich lace in the US?  Or does that not count since it probably
came over from England?





From: Alex
Stillwell alexstillw...@talktalk.net
To: Arachne questions
lace@arachne.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 1:20 PM
Subject: [lace]
footside
 
Has lace ever been made with the footside on the right in
any
countries apart from England?


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[lace] Another resource about copyright

[Nancy Neff]

This is another guide generated within the beading community--nothing exciting
but it's a summary that might be of interest given the recent extensive
discussion about copyright:  
http://www.beadingdaily.com/media/p/162306.aspx
Nancy
Connecticut, USA

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Re: [lace] A4 binders

[Nancy Neff]

Prices change frequently on Amazon, so it may be of interest to owners of
Ulrike's loose-leaf publications to know that 3 Wilson-Jones A4 binders are
currently $19.19 (35% off), meaning that right now they cost less than either
the 2 or 1 sizes! --go figure.  And free shipping if you are a member of
Amazon Prime.
 
Thanks for suggesting Amazon--the 3-size at Staples is
$28.69 plus shipping.
 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA

 From: Witchy Woman
wytchy...@sbcglobal.net
To: Arachne Group lace@arachne.com 
Sent:
Wednesday, January 8, 2014 2:09 PM
Subject: [lace] A4 binders
  

For US
lacemakers...
A good source for A4 binders is Amazon.�Wilson-Jones is
the
brand I've purchased.�They're sturdy and well-made and have pockets...

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Re: [lace] continueing on with Miss Channer discussion...how about other....

[Nancy Neff]

I can second (third?) the praise for Alex Stillwell's books on Bucks, but I
want to be sure that it is clear, in answer to the original query, that there
are two books, the first on Geometric Bucks Point and a second on Floral
Bucks. The second builds on the first, so you need to get the first book at
least. The best place to get them is
http://alexstillwell.wordpress.com/books/ -- she accepts PayPal so it is easy
to place an order from outside the UK. (Usual disclaimer: no connection--just
a satisfied customer.)
 
My comment on those two books is that they are among
the most detailed, thorough, and clear expositions of how to make a type of
lace of any I have ever seen, not just among Bucks books but of any type of
lace (they are definitely the best on Bucks that I know of). I've been doing a
lot of overtime at work, but as soon as things calm down some, I plan
to continue from the beginning of the Geometric Bucks book (even though I have
done some Floral Bucks already) and work my way through both of them--New
Year's resolution!
 
I can't say enough good things about these books.  (I
guess you can tell I like them, huh? :-)
 
Happy lacemaking to all in the New
Year!
 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA




What
about the superb newly published book by our very own Alex Stillwell. 

Diana


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Re: [lace] Lace8 bummer

[Nancy Neff]

Just an idea, but I'll bet that MS Visio would be good for tatting diagrams.
It has a good interface for handling arcs and curves once you get the knack of
it, and you can make your own library (stencils) of motifs.

Nancy
Connecticut, USA



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To: Robin D human.m...@gmail.com 
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Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2014 1:35
PM
Subject: Re: [lace] Lace8 bummer
  

I've had others look at the
programme with a view to using it for tatting, but they've quickly decided
not!   



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Re: [lace] continueing on with Miss Channer discussion...how about other....

[Nancy Neff]

Sorry, Yahoo added some extra characters to that link to Alex Stillwell's books.
this should work: http://alexstillwell.wordpress.com/books/

   

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[lace] just cross and twist

[Nancy Neff]

I tried to send my comments on this discussion but my email was rejected by
the arachne server as spam!  Editorial comment on my comment perhaps... :-)
Dec 8 at 2:05 PM  
I think there must be a huge amount of variation among
people, since there are different cognitive styles.  I didn't find bobbin lace
difficult to learn at all and learned mostly from books, but I'm still having
trouble with any but the simplest patterned knitted lace (which I'm also
learning from books). I learned tatting from a book, which is supposed to be
hard to do, but I can't really do needlelace--not because I don't understand
it but because I find the tensioning and making the stitches even very
difficult. So there's lots of variation among cognitive styles combined with
variation in the type of dexterity one has.  
When I think about it, I think
the answer to Devon's question actually is that bobbin lace isn't any harder
to learn than knitting, if one is comparing stockinette stitch with a tape of
cloth stitch, maybe even a little easier for the slight majority of people
(guessing here!).
So that's my 2 cents/pence worth.
Nancy
Connecticut, USA 
 
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wrote:

Devon wrote:
So, if it is only two stitches, like knitting, why is it
so  hard to learn?

Lace is not necessarily that hard to learn.

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Re: [lace] IOLI Koon Collection CD

[Nancy Neff]

I'm in Office 2010 Professional Plus--I don't know if there are different
commands in your version or not.  But in case you have 2010 or later, (or
maybe 2007), here's how you do it:
1) In the Slide Show tab, select Set Up
Slide Show
2) in the box that comes up, check Loop continuously until
'Esc', and on the right, under Advance slides, select Using timings, if
present. Click OK.
3) Still on the Slide Show tab, select Rehearse Timings,
and be prepared to use the Page Down key to advance the slides after the time
you want.
4) When you click on Rehearse Timings, it will start recording. 
The box in the upper left shows how much elapsed time for each slide and total
elapsed time.  Be sure to do page down after the last slide, to go back to
your first slide, so you get a duration recorded for the last slide. 'Esc'
stops the recording and exits the slide show.
5) PowerPoint will go back to
slide sorter view, with the timings noted beneath each slide.
6) Now play the
slide show, and it will automatically advance and loop the slides, using the
timings you have recorded.  Voila!
 
You were smart asking if there was a
techie out there who could help you--I didn't know how to do it, but figuring
it out was fun, so I'm glad I rose to the challenge!  Neat idea you have to
show the slides like this at a demo.
Good luck,
Nancy
Connecticut, USA
 

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Tuesday, November 26, 2013 6:25 PM, hottl...@neo.rr.com
hottl...@neo.rr.com wrote:
  
Hello All!  Is there a techie on Arachne who
could help me make this Power Point presentation into a continuous slide
show?  Or let me know that I'm barking up the wrong tree?  There's a
possibility that I will participate in a lace demo at a library  it would
make a great background, playing on a continuous loop.  Many thanks. 
Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Erie, PA USA  


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Re: [lace] Books

[Nancy Neff]

Hi Alex and fellow spiders,
 
Actually there's a bit of confusion about the
shipping etc. charges for the copies of Alex's book already on ebay:  if
the buyer is in the US, the shipping charges are only $3.43 for economy
shipping (probably Media shipping which can take forever but doesn't cost
much).  The basic price of $67.95 probably covers the cost of the original
book at a dealer's discount from the author, plus shipping and import charges
from the UK, plus a moderate profit.  It still seems a little high, but not
as high as at least one other dealer will be selling it for I'll bet.
 
The
high shipping and import charges that Alex saw are because she was accessing
the ebay site from the UK and they were charges for shipping the book back to
the UK.  It would certainly make no sense for anyone in the UK to buy it from
a seller outside the UK.
 
I still prefer to buy from the original source
when possible because I prefer the profit to go to the author rather than be
split between an author and a dealer, but I realize this is not always
convenient for people, plus we need to support our dealers so they are there
to supply us with books and threads and things that it is not so easy to get
ourselves. I have seen some books currently in print for higher prices on
ebay, however, than one can get through amazon.com or even from full-price
retailers, so it pays to be cautious.
 
Also, I have been told that there has
been some indication of knock-off copies of Alex's books being sold for
a LOT less, and those should be avoided too! That is in violation of the
author's copyright, and NO profits are going to the author.  So only buy from
reputable dealers or the author, and remember that, if some deal is too good
to be true, it probably isn't.
 
Sorry for such a long post, but I think
these are issues important to the lace community.
 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA
On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 4:59 AM, alexstillw...@talktalk.net
alexstillw...@talktalk.net wrote:

...My book ��ll about making
��Floral Bucks Point Lace�� has only been
available since 21 October
2013 and there is already one available on ebay at
of $67.95. It also has an
additional shipping charge of $18.93 plus and Import
charge of $22.88 making a
total of $109.76 (�68.45p).

Do NOT pay such highly inflated prices. My book
is �28.50 and is available
from well known suppliers, there are already
three who have it in stock, or
myself, for less.
...  

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Re: [lace] Books - Import Impact on Price

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Re: [lace] Old Beds

[Nancy Neff]

Those teachers were just being narrow-minded.  I've heard that Beds was
started as a modification of Maltese lace, and that's drape-y, so I'll bet
your Beds was more like the original Beds than anything those teachers ever
made!  Good for you for framing them and enjoying them.
 
Nancy
Connecticut,
USA 
 
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lizl...@bigpond.com wrote:
  
I made 3 Beds hankies from Springett patterns,
- but I used a fine silk
thread  not cotton, - and a couple of teachers went
Yuk  when they saw
them - as they were soft and 'floppy not stiff and
crisp, laying over the
hand. Which is what Beds lace is supposed to do -
according to them.  


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Re: [lace] Name the Good Teachers, Please!

[Nancy Neff]

I am to some degree self-taught, starting with the Introduction to Torchon
Lace to get the basics.  Mistakes in that book, however, so I'm not sure I'd
recommend it to anyone who is not rather analytical and can work through the
mistakes.  Then on to Bucks and Binche, and now old Binche/Valenciennes, with
detours into Milanese, Beds, and Honiton.  The last three were in classes, all
with good teachers: Louise Colgan, Jean Leader, and Christine Hawken.
 
Two
terrific teachers are good for students who like very analytical approaches,
Ulrike (Lohr) Voelcker and Holly Van Sciver. They are great on details,
historical information, and the 'why' of various techniques and alternatives. 
I love their classes.
 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA



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10:45 AM, jeria...@aol.com jeria...@aol.com wrote:
 
...But, please name
the GOOD ones!...

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[lace] Re: Name the Good Teachers, Please!

[Nancy Neff]

Sorry, for the book I mentioned I had the wrong title--it was The Torchon
Lace Workbook by Bridget Cook.
   
Nancy
Connecticut, USA

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Re: [lace] Two major lace auctions in October 2013

[Nancy Neff]

Annette,
 
Please be aware that, in the US at least, images taken by someone
else, even if they are published on-line, are under copyright protection
unless permission to download is explicitly stated on the website.  The ebay
buyers who restrict download are protecting their copyright, which they have
every right to do.  Downloading without permission is in violation of US
copyright law which has international force, although many people do it and
are not in the usual course of things going to be prosecuted.  Just be careful
distributing the photos, for example to your museum, because publishing
them without the copyright-holder's permission, even inadvertently, does stand
a higher likelihood of prosecution and you wouldn't want to get your museum in
trouble.
 
Just FYI.
 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA

 From: Annette Meldrum
ameld...@ozemail.com.au
To: 'Laurie Waters' lswaters...@comcast.net;
lace@arachne.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2013 8:00 PM
Subject: RE: [lace]
Two major lace auctions in October 2013
  

Thanks Laurie for posting the
link to this auction.
I have enjoyed saving some of the images together with
the very detailed
descriptions. It is always good to learn how to accurately
and descriptively
describe pieces of lace.
I need to do it for the lace
collections I work with but also it is useful
when describing our lace work
for exhibition labels and catalogues.
It is very commendable that the auction
house allows downloading of the
images though some are not too clear. It is
annoying when sellers on ebay
restrict access to the images. It makes me
think twice about buying from
them as they are just being mean.

What a
lovely way to spend the morning, lost in lace.
Annette in sunny Wollongong
Australia.



Yet more of Pat Earnshaw's collection (very nice pieces)
will be sold at
Kerry Taylor on October 14th, see 

http://tinyurl.com/pnuhr5p


Laurie

http://lacenews.net/

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Re: [lace] Two major lace auctions in October 2013

[Nancy Neff]

My apologies to everyone for not trimming my post.  That was a bad one!
 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA

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Re: [lace] Parchment [was Needle lace pattern done]

[Nancy Neff]

Hi Peg,

Actually there are sources of genuine animal-skin parchment on the
web. One on ebay: http://tinyurl.com/p6xstfy. It's probably worth $5 to see
how it does. There were others. Search in Google for real parchment for
sale.

It will be interesting to hear how it goes, since the surface may be
a significantly texture than modern materials.

Nancy
Connecticut, USA
 
...The parchment they would have used was made from animal skin (usually goat
or sheep) and was very expensive. ...

.I had been thinking of
wearing a costume, and
having everything authentic.  I read they used
parchment as the
 base.  Any
ideas where I can find some heavy enough to use
for this purpose?  All I've
been able to find is either the kind you cook
with, or parchment paper for
calligraphy.

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Re: [lace] (was more names) old messages

[Nancy Neff]

and I've just had about 30 messages, all so far from 1 August.  I've emailed
Avital just in case messages are getting lost or postponed frequently.
 
Nancy
 


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To: suebabbs...@gmail.com
suebabbs...@gmail.com 
Cc: lace@arachne.com lace@arachne.com 
Sent:
Monday, August 19, 2013 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [lace] more names
  

There
must have been a hiccup in the system, because I have a whole string of
messages from five days ago...

Clay

On Aug 19, 2013, at 7:03 PM,
suebabbs...@gmail.com wrote:

 That's really puzzling.  I wrote this
message last Wednesday, but it's just appeared on Arachne tonight (Monday)!

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Re: [lace] Lace Lady Designs

[Nancy Neff]

Hi Kim,

Search on Google for Christina Banyard. It says that she died in Dec
2010 in New Jersey, but had been a long-time resident of Lincoln Nebraska. Is
the address you have in Lincoln?
 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA
 

   ... The name given is Cristina Banyard,
and an address in Nebraska.  I tried my IOLI and Lace Museum rosters with
no
luck.  Does anyone know of her whereabouts?
Thanks, Kim

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[lace] Lace report from Belgium (long)

[Nancy Neff]

Hello spiders,
 
I had a good time in Belgium, doing both lace and other
things. However, I discovered that two museums are closed and another exhibit
has been taken down:
 
There was a lace museum in Marche-en-Famenne, but it
has closed. The best I can figure out is that the lace itself may have gone to
a local organization, L'Academie des Dentelles de Marche-en-Famenne, but their
website doesn't 'work'--I can't get anything to come up when I click on their
links. Maybe it'll work under someone else's browser:
http://dentelle.marche.be/.  The address associated with the Academie appears
to be a private home. No one answered either of the two numbers listed for the
old museum nor did they return my calls when I left messages.
 
The small
museum in Binche is closed, and the laces back in private hands and not
available for study, according to the head of the lace group in the area.
 
Finally, in Bruges, the lace exhibit in the Volkskundemuseum has been
closed--not clear if/when it might be put up again.
 
Diane Claeys, of Claeys
Antiques and Lace in Bruges, has moved to Japan permanently. If I've
understood correctly, however, the shop in Bruges will stay open under her
daughter Nathalie. Her selection of antique lace is fantastic.
 
Not
surprisingly I second Chris Parsons' recommendations of the other 'real lace'
shops, especially Rococo and their sister shop (I don't remember the name of
their other shop, but ask at Rococo) for antique lace, Schaerlacken for lace
supplies, and Kantcentrum of course for both their museum and the shop for
supplies. His painted bobbins with scenes from Bruges are exquisite, and are
carried by all three of these shops.
 
Nancy,
Connecticut, USA

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Re: [lace] Lace report from Belgium (long)

[Nancy Neff]

Are you thinking of Marche or Binche? It sounds like the latter, and I'm not
absolutely sure the museum is closed, only that the head of the lace group in
Binche said that it was closed and the person making bobbin lace at La Fuseaux
(Grand Place 25, Binche) said there was no museum. I was there Saturday
morning and didn't wait around for the Tourist Office to open (14h00) because
I was already late to get to Bruges, so I can't confirm anything beyond what I
was told.
 
WRT Marche, all I know is that there's no museum at the
address(es) I had for the museum, and the owner of a nearby shop said it had
closed a while ago.
 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA
 
 O Are you sure the museum in
marche is closed.
 Last Time I went to visit it, you had to ask in the
tourist Office to
 have someone to open the door and make the tour with you.
 Alix 
 In sunny Luxembourg.

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Re: [lace] Lace and maths

[Nancy Neff]

Dear spiders,
 
I'm not sure where I fall in this debate but I have a couple
of observations to offer. They may be food for thought, or they may deserve to
be ignored--I hope the former.
 
I wonder if 'maths' is the right term or not.
Just for some context, let me note that I like precision and 'correctness' but
I prefer to make floral varieties of lace and have been told by one author and
teacher that I am a natural at Binche. I always scored very high on the math
section of standardized tests (99th percentile) but have never liked math or
felt any good at it. I can add and divide and all that but am much more
reliable with a calculator, and I was not any good at calculus.
 
What I am,
however, is a software engineer and I love designing and coding software
programs. The observations I offer are: 1) there is no addition etc. form of
maths in software development. Instead there is logical thinking and being
able to analyze the sequence of actions necessary to produce the desired
result. This is a type of 'maths' that seems to me necessary to do bobbin lace
at all, regardless of the creativity side of it.
 
2) My second observation
is very subjective, but one I have found fascinating. When I do a complicated
bit of bobbin lace, it FEELS in my head the same as when I'm doing software
design and coding. I get the same positive feeling FROM doing both bobbin lace
and software development, yes, but more than that: it feels the same WHEN I'm
doing it, like I'm doing basically the same thing. Like I said--subjective!
 
Because of these two observations, I've always thought that people who are
good at bobbin lace would make good software engineers, whether they know it
or not, and whether they are good at arithmetic or not. This is the other way
around from some of the observations that have been made, but related I think.
I believe that the same analytical and logical skills are required in both,
and also creativity to think of novel and more effective ways to do something.
 
So maybe both 'sides' in this debate are right but talking past each other?
Just a suggestion.
 
Nancy
from Connecticut, USA, but currently in Bruges,
Belgium :-) with an appointment to see some old Binche lace in the museums'
collections tomorrow and to photograph lace from a private collection this
afternoon :-))
 


 From: Maureen
maur...@roger.karoo.co.uk
To: alexstillw...@talktalk.net
alexstillw...@talktalk.net 
Cc: Arachne reply lace@arachne.com; Clay
Blackwell clayblackw...@comcast.net 
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [lace] Lace and maths
  
Hi all

As a non mathematical
person I feel I must comment from those of us who are mathematically
challenged.  I like to think I am a reasonable lacemaker, I can draw out
patterns on graph paper and use a lace design programme and I teach students
how to draw out patterns to help understand the working of lace.  But I cannot
add up for toffee and some maths completely confuses me.  I admit I am better
with floral type laces, Bucks, Honiton etc but I don't like to make mistakes
and teach accordingly.  Please give consideration to non mathematical
Lacemakers as well.  There is a place for us all.

Regards Maureen

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Re: [lace] Math vs arithmetic

[Nancy Neff]

This thread of discussion about differences between the sexes has some truth
to it IMHO, but it's also very important to remember that these are
generalizations. There is a lot of variation among both men and women, with a
great amount of overlap in aptitudes and inclinations. Margery's observation
is interesting, but that's a really small sample size from which to draw any
conclusions.
 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA
 



From: Margery Allcock margerybu...@o2.co.uk
To: 'Lace Arachne'
lace@arachne.com 
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 10:01 AM
Subject: RE: [lace]
Math vs arithmetic
  

Tess wrote:
 As for boys and lacemaking, my
experience is that they take 
 to it more readily than do girls, at first
anyway. There are 
 lots of reasons for that, but among them might be their
 immediately logical way of thinking and their ability to 
 focus more
single-mindedly.

While I was working with a team of IT people, I took in a
piece of
torchon (a bookmark, I think), to show.  All the women admired how
pretty it was, but one of the men said It's like plaiting - only more
so -
I used to plait my sister's hair!  He had seen through to the
process, where
the women had only seen the finished article.

So although we were all
IT-minded, there was a difference between the
sexes.  Interesting.

Margery.
 
margerybu...@o2.co.uk in
North Herts, UK 


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[lace] winner of the highest-priced used book award

[Nancy Neff]

Apropos of recent discussions about the price of used lace books, I just saw
on amazon.com's used book list for Pamela Nottingham's The Technique of Bucks
Point Lace a used copy offered for $3,968.00 ! (http://tinyurl.com/nymvcqt)
 
It's gotta be a typo, but it's the winner for now.
 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA

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Re: [lace] Elizabeth Kurella

[Nancy Neff]

Dear spiders,
 
I was thinking of posting the same request.  I have a strong
possibility of leaving for Belgium in a couple of weeks and would be very
grateful for people's recommendations of where to see lace, especially 18thC
Valenciennes/Binche/Flanders lace, including anyone with a private collection
of same willing to have a visitor.  I'll have a car and about a week to see
lace.
 
Feel free to reply privately, but I know I've always been interested
in what others post about where interesting collections are so it might be
nice to post about museums to the list as Tess suggests.  I will compile the
leads I have found already, but I have no recommendations except Chris
Parson's recent ones about shops in Bruges and an old one, confirmed again
recently by Alice in Oregon, that the Antwerp lace museum at
Saint-Carolus-Borremus church is well worth seeing.
(http://www.antwerp-tourist-guide.com/Churches.html)
 
If people are
interested, I will post my compiled list to Arachne.  Thank you for any
further leads!
 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA



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To: Arachne to post lace@arachne.com 
 ... It might be nice to post on Arachne as well in case there are others who
are looking for the same information.  ...

Here is what she wrote me:
  I
will be in Belgium for a few days in September (from about 22-27)  and have
not been there for decades.  Any suggestions of museums to visit, and
especially people to meet with?


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Re: [lace] Elizabeth Kurella

[Nancy Neff]

Dear spiders,
 
I was thinking of posting the same request.  I have a strong
possibility of leaving for Belgium in a couple of weeks and would be very
grateful for people's recommendations of where to see lace, especially 18thC
Valenciennes/Binche/Flanders lace, including anyone with a private collection
of same willing to have a visitor.  I'll have a car and about a week to see
lace.
 
Feel free to reply privately, but I know I've always been interested
in what others post about where interesting collections are so it might be
nice to post about museums to the list as Tess suggests.  I will compile the
leads I have found already, but I have no recommendations except Chris
Parson's recent ones about shops in Bruges and an old one, confirmed again
recently by Alice in Oregon, that the Antwerp lace museum at
Saint-Carolus-Borremus church is well worth seeing.
(http://www.antwerp-tourist-guide.com/Churches.html)
 
If people are
interested, I will post my compiled list to Arachne.  Thank you for any
further leads!
 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA



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To: Arachne to post lace@arachne.com 
 ... It might be nice to post on Arachne as well in case there are others who
are looking for the same information.  ...

Here is what she wrote me:
  I
will be in Belgium for a few days in September (from about 22-27)  and have
not been there for decades.  Any suggestions of museums to visit, and
especially people to meet with?


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Re: [lace] Elizabeth Kurella--apology!

[Nancy Neff]

My apologies for the double post. Yahoo email is acting up: timed out and said
it hadn't sent it, but apparently had...
Sorry!
 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA 

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[lace] lace contacts in Belgium

[Nancy Neff]

I forgot to ask a related question: does anyone know any of the curators at
the museums who might be open to letting me photograph lace that's in their
collection but not on exhibit?  For example, I assume that the Museum of Lace
and Costume in Brussels must have a more extensive collection than they can
exhibit at once.  I'm studying the 18th C bobbin laces (old
Valenciennes/Binche) with the goal of reconstructing some and designing others
in the old style so I'm interested to see as many examples as I can.
 
Thanks!
Nancy
Connecticut, USA

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Re: [lace] Idrija

[Nancy Neff]

No, I should have collection or list -- I didn't mean set in that sense.
 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA



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To: Arachne lace@arachne.com 
Sent: Friday,
June 7, 2013 3:38 AM
Subject: Re: [lace] Idrija


 Another set of books
available on this site--click on Bibliography to the

left.http://www.cipkarskasola.si/ANG/index.html

I couldn't find them to
make sure before I wrote, but if by set you mean two, it might be the two
newish broad-tape books. 


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Re: [lace] Idrija

[Nancy Neff]

Another set of books available on this site--click on Bibliography to the
left.
 
http://www.cipkarskasola.si/ANG/index.html
 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA

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Sent:
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Subject: Re: [lace] Idrija


Above the
photo there's a line that says back to album. At the end of that line it says
. . . .page. Click that. The page that comes up for me has the image of the
book on the left hand column. At the bottom of the paragraph it says see
translation. That gives you contact info and the price--25 euros or 22 euros
if you order before June 16.

Cynthia

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Re: [lace] Exciting find!

[Nancy Neff]

Yes indeed Clay -- exciting!
 
Brighton is the first place I think of given
those names/places.
 
1981 or 1881?  If 1981 then it sounds unusual, both to
have a commemorative bobbin for someone's death but also for the subject
matter of the pictures--see the discussion at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanhope_(optical_bijou), where it says most
recent ones are of religious themes.  (And yes, to some of us, 1981 seems
recent!! I don't think I want to hear the but I wasn't even born yet
remarks!)  There's a picture of a little spy-glass on the Wikipedia page, is
that what yours looks like?
 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA
 
Any ideas where these
places are?  The bobbin has British 8th Navy written on it with the name of
someone who died in 1981.

Clay

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Re: [lace] Dark blue plastic, or not -- now red card

[Nancy Neff]

I am on my first piece of lace using red card and I can attest that it is MUCH
easier to see the threads.  Must be something scientific about wavelengths or
something.

Nancy
Connecticut, USA
 



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To: Arachne lace@arachne.com
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 3:34 AM
Subject: [lace] Dark blue plastic, or
not 
  
...
For bobbin lace I have changed to the orange film which I
originally brought back from Spain (where orange or red card is quite common)
but which is now available from one of the leading UK suppliers. People who
have tried it after seeing my pillow have been amazed at how much easier it is
to see the threads. 


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Re: [lace] New Website

[Nancy Neff]

What lovely work! and a very sophisticated web site.  I am blown away by how
beautiful your needlelace is--you have such talent.  I've tried my hand at
needlelace and I find bobbin lace so much simpler  easier to control, so I
really admire your abilities. (and slightly envious as well :-)
 
Nancy Neff
Connecticut, USA




I've been busy lately
putting a web site together ...

Catherine Barley
Henley-on-Thames
UK

Catherine Barley Needlelace
http://www.catherinebarley.com/



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Re: [lace] Sympathy needed

[Nancy Neff]

Thanks Alex!
 
The Greek Gods piece is stunning.  I like the banner you have
across the top of your pages too--is it in one of your books?  What a great
website.
 
Everybody, if you haven't clicked on her link, do so! 
 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA




I was part way
through the 3rd section of my
Greek Gods! (you can see it on my website under
the ' Lace' tab
www.alexstillwell.wordpress.com .  Fortunately most pairs
were strapped down
and only afew threads broke.  I had so many bobbins on
that I suspect it just
...

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[lace] sympathy needed

[Nancy Neff]

One of my ferrets (they both still live because I don't know which one)
climbed up my stack of lace pillows last night to the one I've been working
on.  Ferrets like to dig, and they like things that rustle, click, or
otherwise make noise.  Image the little beast's delight when s/he discovered
that, when s/he dug at bobbins either in or out of holders, said bobbins made
an interesting noise.  All my bobbins are in disarray, tangled, dragged out of
their holders, and otherwise in a jumble.  The only blessings are that so far
I have found no broken threads, and there's no damage to the finished lace.
And oh yes, the kind of lace is old valenciennes/binche, so there's no
particular pattern to what the last stitch anywhere should be (see picture at
the link below) and I'm reconstructing by both un-tangling and un-lacing until
I can recognize where I am from my shadow pillow (the working diagram on
ethafoam with pins to mark my place). This is all
 without mentioning ferret hair on the pillow...
 
Anyone who has had a pillow
dumped by a cat will appreciate the situation!
 
A picture of the lace at a
much earlier stage: http://laceioli.ning.com/photo/from-kobe?context=user  (if
it doesn't go straight to the right picture, it's the one on the red pricking
card.)
 
Thanks for letting me whine!!
 
Nancy,
in Connecticut, USA

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Re: [lace] glasses

[Nancy Neff]

For getting really close, I've discovered I can wear my trifocals and then
wear an off-the-shelf pair of 3.5s over/in front of my prescription glasses. 
I've gotten remarks like a really tentative why are you wearing two pairs of
glasses? as if they are afraid I've gone crazy and will be dangerous, but
it's been a lifesaver (or project-saver) for lace with fine thread and
for really detailed beading or embroidery.
 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA

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Sent: Thursday,
March 28, 2013 6:43 AM
Subject: [lace] glasses
 
...
I bought a pair from a
local supermarket magnification 3.5 which means I can get really close. ...

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Re: [lace] kinds of lace

[Nancy Neff]

Hi Alice,
 
I'd love to see your 16th century Flanders, as would others I'm
sure.  Any possibility that you could post pictures to LACEIOLI Ning group?
 
Nancy
in Connecticut, cleaning out a flooded basement,
throwing water-logged *stuff* away, and thinking it doesn't matter much
because all my antique lace, lace pillows, bobbins, books, etc. are safely
upstairs!



From: lacel...@frontier.com
lacel...@frontier.com
To: lace_arachne.com lace@arachne.com 
Sent:
Wednesday, March 27, 2013 1:18 PM
Subject: [lace] kinds of lace

I do have
a question - how many of us do more than one form of lace? 

Bobbin lace is
my addition... and I have dabbled in many different varieties.  I currently
have projects going from 16th century Flanders to very modern patterns, so any
type can appear on my pillows.

I've also dabbled in needlelace, knotted
lace. and tambour lace.  I have no expertise in these but I understand the
processes.  Tatting was briefly attempted but I never practiced, so my skill
is nil.

Before bobbin lace was discovered, I had done all kinds of
decorative sewing including a form of freemotion lace on a machine.  I also
learned to crochet and embroider as a young child, and taught myself knitting
as a young adult.  I had to give these up for many years because of finger
problems but have taken them up again recently when my fingers no longer
hurt.  There's a lovely knitted lace shawl on my 'to do' list.  Someday.

Bring along another type of lace and I may give it a try.  I just like to
create things with my own hands.

Alice in Oregon .. where we are supposed
to have a warm, dry Easter weekend.  That's almost unheard of here. Meanwhile,
it's gray and damp.

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Re: [lace] kinds of lace

[Nancy Neff]

With regard to the original question, I'm also addicted to bobbin lace.  I've
tried all others I know of except hairpin lace, but the only other type I
really enjoy is hardanger and other lace-like embroidery--go figure!  I'd like
to do more needle lace but I'm hopelessly bad at it, whereas I seem to pick up
different types of bobbin lace instinctively. It's much more rewarding to work
on something that I feel like I'm good at and where I like both the doing of
it and the results so much more.
 
I did just buy some tatting patterns for
tatted jewelry. I taught myself to tat before I was told that that was
impossible, and I enjoy it okay, but it's not mesmerizing like bobbin lace.
 
And there's always the comments we get I'd never have the patience for
that--what I don't have the patience for is to clean my house!
 
Nancy
in
Connecticut, where I'm cleaning the basement under threat of mold if I don't.

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Fw: [lace] Twentieth anniversary flash drive

[Nancy Neff]

Okay, I'll stick my neck out and post my response to the list.  I'd spear-head
it but I don't know how I could handle mailing out so many etc.  The logistics
have to be thought out...
 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA

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Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [lace] Twentieth
anniversary flash drive


You are actually the second person in about 5
minutes to pronounce this as brilliant, and I can't recall the last time
anything I said was so pronounced. Unfortunately you both have only responded
to me. Why not share the idea with the list?
In fact, the more I think about
it, the flash drive should be all over lace, and pretty like a pendant you
might voluntarily wear around your neck. 

Devon

In a message dated
3/20/2013 1:20:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nnef...@yahoo.com writes:
You,
Devon, are brilliant!!  This is such a good idea that, if no one steps forward
to spear-head it, I might even volunteer to do it myself.  The only thing I'd
change is let's have the lace design all over, not just on the cap.
 
What
a good idea, though!
 
Hope you are well.  I'm okay, just a little too
busy with elderly parents having health problems, but I still have them around
at least.
 
Take care,
Nancy




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dmt11h...@aol.com
To: lace@arachne.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 20,
2013 12:25 PM
Subject: [lace] Twentieth anniversary flash drive

Although I like the bobbin idea, and I love the idea of a  commemorative
cloth, how about this idea? Why don't we have a 20th Anniversary  Flash
drive 
made with a lace design on the cap. 

I propose this idea
because Arachne is an internet  group.



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Re: [lace] Twentieth anniversary flash drive -- some logistics

[Nancy Neff]

There's a good dealer in flash drives with logos: http://www.flashbay.com/
 
One person mailed me privately a good idea: one person in each country could
be responsible for distributing them in that country so no one had to deal
with foreign postage for a lot of mailings.  Also, FlashBay might be willing
to send parts of a large order to multiple addresses, so the person organizing
this wouldn't even have to send batches out to other countries for
distribution.  Payment for each drive would be via PayPal only.
 
Just some
ideas.  (Ain't the Internet wonderful?!!)
 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA

From: Nancy Neff nnef...@yahoo.com
To:
Arachne lace@arachne.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 1:27 PM
Subject:
Fw: [lace] Twentieth anniversary flash drive


Okay, I'll stick my neck out
and post my response to the list.  I'd spear-head it but I don't know how I
could handle mailing out so many etc.  The logistics have to be thought out...
 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA


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Sent:
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Subject: Re: [lace] Twentieth anniversary
flash drive


You are actually the second person in about 5 minutes to
pronounce this as brilliant, and I can't recall the last time anything I said
was so pronounced. Unfortunately you both have only responded to me. Why not
share the idea with the list?
In fact, the more I think about it, the flash
drive should be all over lace, and pretty like a pendant you might voluntarily
wear around your neck. 

Devon

In a message dated 3/20/2013 1:20:28
P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, nnef...@yahoo.com writes:
You, Devon, are
brilliant!!  This is such a good idea that, if no one steps forward to
spear-head it, I might even volunteer to do it myself.  The only thing I'd
change is let's have the lace design all over, not just on the cap.
 
What a good idea, though!
 
Hope you are well.  I'm okay, just a
little too busy with elderly parents having health problems, but I still have
them around at least.
 
Take care,
Nancy




From: dmt11h...@aol.com
dmt11h...@aol.com
To: lace@arachne.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 20,
2013 12:25 PM
Subject: [lace] Twentieth anniversary flash drive

Although I like the bobbin idea, and I love the idea of a  commemorative
cloth, how about this idea? Why don't we have a 20th Anniversary  Flash
drive 
made with a lace design on the cap. 

I propose this idea
because Arachne is an internet  group.





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Re: Fw: [lace] Twentieth anniversary flash drive

[Nancy Neff]

That's a good thought, Bev.  As someone in software engineering, however, I
can say I don't see anything on the horizon.  The internal medium might change
(i.e. non-volatile memory, otherwise known as flash memory, might be
replaced by something else), but the format and USB connection is likely to be
around for years more because of how widely used they are.  Now a question
would be if there's a new USB version coming out (USB2 is pretty old now) or a
more efficient file format, but if so they would almost certainly be backwards
compatible, at least for a decade or so.
 
Nancy 
Connecticut

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To: Nancy Neff nnef...@yahoo.com 
Cc: Arachne lace@arachne.com;
Dmt11home dmt11h...@aol.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [lace] Twentieth anniversary flash drive


Just a thought
about the fast pace of technology these days - it is possible that flash
drives will be replaced by something else within two years?


On Wed, Mar
20, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Nancy Neff nnef...@yahoo.com wrote:

Okay, I'll
stick my neck out and post my response to the list.  I'd spear-head
it but I
don't know how I could handle mailing out so many etc.  The logistics

--
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada 



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Re: [lace] Arachne 20 years commemorative bobbins/tools

[Nancy Neff]

And we could put some sort of logo or inscription on a tatting shuttle, but
what will we do for the needle-lacers?  Or those who primarily knit or
crochet?  Certainly needle-lace is as historical as bobbin lace, more so if
bobbin-lace started as a way to make lace faster than punto in aria.
 
Maybe
have some sort of pin or a flash drive or something else as well?  (And
Clay, I still use my flash drives a lot, but maybe because I work with
computers...dunno.)
 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA


From: lynrbai...@desupernet.net
lynrbai...@desupernet.net
To: Susie Rose susierose_89...@yahoo.com 


Susie, I'm with you. And Continentals also, please.  Perhaps different types.
I do like the idea of choice.  Some will jump at one, and avoid another.  We
are a thousand members, there should be a market. lrb

Susie wrote:
I
vote for bobbins.  How much more historical can you
get?



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Re: [lace] Cover cloths

[Nancy Neff]

I have found that sometimes the selvedge edge can be a little furry with
ends of the weft threads, in which case I have found that it is still thin and
smooth if I fold those edges carefully under, taping them down with thin
iron-on hem tape.  My favorite working cloth has that finish on the edge under
the bobbin threads.  The trick is to lightly iron the tape to the fur before
folding, then fold under to get a neat edge and iron firmly.  This works fine
on thinnish to medium-weight cotton.
 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA
 

 From: Jo Ann Eurell jeure...@hotmail.com
To: lace@arachne.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 5:30 PM
Subject:
[lace] Cover cloths
  
In a recent workshop, Susie Johnson (PA) suggested
when making a cover cloth
that I should use the selvedge edge of the fabric
for one edge and hem or
finish the other three sides of the cloth. The
selvedge edge represents a
finished edge with less bulk and will lay flatter
under your threads than a
hemmed or folded edge.  One of my favorite cover
cloth fabrics is an
inexpensive quilting cotton from Jo Ann's Fabrics called
Country Classics.
It is 100% cotton and fairly thin - thinner than Kona
cotton which I found
to be too bulky.  Make sure you wash it several times to
make sure that any
residual dye is removed.  What fabric have others used? 

Jo Ann Eurell
Palm Coast, FL 


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Re: [lace] Royal Olympic Lace

[Nancy Neff]

http://www.examiner.com/slideshow/royals-attend-the-london-2012-olympic-games
#slide=50652181
 
It IS a rather nice dress--asymmetry a little avant garde
for HRM I think.
 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA



 From: Bridget Marrow bridgetmar...@msn.com
To: lynrbai...@supernet.com;
Arachne Lace Digest lace@arachne.com 
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 10:17 AM
Subject: [lace] Royal Olympic Lace
  
Extremely odd - my email arrived
without its text, so I'll try again: At the
opening ceremony the Queen was
wearing an apricot lace dress - very fetching -
and good for the public
profile of lace in fashion.  I havn't googled, but
there must be plenty of
images around.
Bridget, in Pinner UK


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Re: [lace] Lace8

[Nancy Neff]

Angela and others:
 
Has anyone found any problems in opening designs done
under R-XP or 2000 with the new Lace 8?
 
Thanks,
Nancy
Connecticut, USA

 From: Angela angelal...@btinternet.com
To: Arachne lace@arachne.com 
Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2012 7:14 AM
Subject:
[lace] Lace8
  
Hi All
 
Lace8 is great - if you  haven't upgraded and
have a computer that is
compatibly buy it now if only for the new print
preveiw option.  There are
snip

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Re: [lace] Arthritic hands and Picking Up Bobbins

[Nancy Neff]

My biggest problem is a gradually worsening tremor--essential tremor, 
inherited from my father's side of the family.  My Dad's tremor is very bad, so 
I can see where I'm headed and it's scary.  I'm already having trouble putting 
pins in (hitting the hole when your hand is shaking all over the place is a 
challenge), and there are times when I have trouble keeping my bobbins 
(Continental) under control.  Parallel to the lace problems, I also did a lot 
of off-loom bead-weaving and now have to wait until I have a particularly calm 
spell to do that anymore.  Embroidery is also getting harder, since I like to 
do the fine work on linen.  At work I have trouble controlling the mouse, and 
at bad times even typing.
 
There is no effective medication for the condition, only brain surgery 
(deep-brain stimulation), which I'm sure the insurance won't pay for until it 
really badly affects my ability to work.  I'm not sure there is any immediate 
solution except reducing stress (deep breathing, meditation, etc.) but I 
appreciate the opportunity to complain about the problems a little bit. Also, 
hearing what others go through puts my lesser problems in perspective since at 
least the tremor isn't physically painful.  Thanks, Jean! 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA




From: Jean Nathan j...@nathan54.freeserve.co.uk
To: Lace lace@arachne.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 2:12 PM
Subject: [lace] Arthritic hands and Picking Up Bobbins

snip
I would be interested to hear what other problems people have (not only 
arthritis) and how they've overcome them so they can make lace, or if they 
have a problem that they can't seem to find a solution for. We're all 
different and what works for one person won't work for another with the same 
problem, for instance (not lace related) I can only use the circular rocker 
type of ring pull puller, not the fork lever style.

Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK 

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Re: [lace] translations

[Nancy Neff]

Hi Sue,
 
In my experience an excellent source of translations is OIDFA's
compendium of translations of lace-related words, International Lace
Dictionary. I don't see it for sale on their website any more, but one of the
lace vendors may still have copies.
 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA

...clear, so would someone remind me please
of the place many of you added words
in various languages, like half stitch,
whole stitch, pin or whatever.  I
Sue T
Dorset UK
www.hurwitzend.co.uk

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[lace] page of lace links

[Nancy Neff]

Fellow arachnids:
 
I just stumbled on an amazing page of links having all
sorts of things to do with lace (and a search of the archives didn't find the
URL, so maybe it hasn't been posted to Arachne yet).  Feels like I just found
a gold nugget!
 
http://kantklos.info-pagina.com/
 
Nancy
home with a tummy
ache in Connecticut, USA

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Re: [lace] Half stitch in flanders motives

[Nancy Neff]

Jo,

 
A number of old Flemish laces I've worked or seen in books have small
areas of half stitch.  In my experience the challenge (pitfall?) is making a
neat transition between the surrounding cloth stitch and the half-stitch
areas.  I don't believe I have seen half stitch by itself (i.e., an entire
motif with ring pair) but if the motif were not too complicated in shape, I
don't see why it wouldn't work.
 
Please post pictures and report on how it
turns out, whether a success or not!
 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA
 
On Fri, Jan
13, 2012 at 7:56 AM, Jo yhgr@xs4all.nl wrote:
 Before I go through
trial and error I would like your opinion about
 applying
 half stitch in
flanders motives. If possible at all, what are the pitfalls?

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Re: [lace] single bobbin unwinding

[Nancy Neff]

Alice,
 
I think that may be it!  I'll try pushing up the thread when I get
home tonight.  I've noticed that the hitch loop is all the way to the top even
when the thread is unwinding from further down the bobbin.
 
Thanks!
Nancy

From: lacel...@frontier.com
lacel...@frontier.com
To: Nancy Neff nnef...@yahoo.com 
Cc: Arachne
lace@arachne.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 6:10 PM
Subject: Re:
[lace] single bobbin unwinding

I've had this happen with a bobbin that
didn't have the thread wound tightly against the top barrier of the thread
area.  I normally put my hitch on the wound thread.  The hitch often works
it's way to the top barrier.  If it finds smooth wood instead of threads, it
doesn't have the traction of threads holding the hitch.  This usually happens
with a bobbin that's not full. I try to fix it by pushing the threads upwards
on the bobbin, under the hitch.

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[lace] Kate does it again

[Nancy Neff]

So did everyone see the Duchess Catherine's latest lace dress? Between the
dress and the figure--wow.
 
http://shine.yahoo.com/fashion/kate-middleton-wears-temperley-dress-premiere-
eve-30th-161100440.html
 
Nancy, not usually a royal-watcher,
in Connecticut,
USA (aka the colonies :-)

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[lace] single bobbin unwinding

[Nancy Neff]

Hi all,
 
I've searched the archives but haven't found the answer to this
particular question: I have about 140 bobbins on my pillow, 120/2 thread, and
of the 140 one bobbin particular keeps unwinding--i.e. the working length of
the thread (thread leash) on that bobbin gets longer than on the other
bobbins.  I wound all of them at the same time, same spool of thread, of
course wound the same direction.  What might I have done during winding to
cause that one to misbehave?  I can't see a consistent difference.  Tightness?
 
Thanks.
Nancy
Connecticut, USA

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Re: [lace] single bobbin unwinding

[Nancy Neff]

Too much thread on the bobbin to rewind and keep my sanity--I think the double
hitch is the solution, but I was rather interested in the cause of neurosis in
a bobbin. :-)
 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA



From: bev walker walker.b...@gmail.com
To: Nancy Neff nnef...@yahoo.com
Cc: Arachne lace@arachne.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [lace] single bobbin unwinding


If it keeps getting longer,
try putting an extra hitch around the neck? It could be due to some subtle
'un-turning' movement that is happening while you work with it. If it does
seem more loosely wound on than the it should be, take the thread off and
re-wind.


On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Nancy Neff nnef...@yahoo.com
wrote:


bobbins.  I wound all of them at the same time, same spool of
thread, of
course wound the same direction.  What might I have done during
winding to
cause that one to misbehave?  I can't see a consistent
difference.  Tightness?
  
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful
Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada

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Re: [lace] single bobbin unwinding

[Nancy Neff]

Good idea Joepie, but no--they are all Mechlin bobbins of the same material by
the same manufacturer.
 
This is why I'm so puzzled.  I'm beginning to think
it must be less tightly wound, since that would be the hardest thing to judge
by eye.
 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA



From: J
D Hammett jdhamm...@msn.com
To: Nancy Neff nnef...@yahoo.com; Lace
Arachne lace@arachne.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 3:05 PM
Subject:
Re: [lace] single bobbin unwinding

Hi Nancy,

Has your 'neurotic' bobbin
got a head of a slightly different shape to the 
others? Or has it and very
slippery varnish on the head/neck? Both of these 
could cause slipping as
well.

Regards, Joepie, East Sussex, UK


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Re: [lace] Third Embroidery/Lace Book by Gail Marsh, Gawthorpe Hall Collection

[Nancy Neff]

It's available on Amazon.com for $16.94.




From: jeria...@aol.com jeria...@aol.com
To: lace@arachne.com 
Sent:
Monday, December 12, 2011 3:40 PM
Subject: [lace] Third Embroidery/Lace Book
by Gail Marsh, Gawthorpe Hall Collection

Book Review

If you are looking
for a gift for someone who loves old embroidery and  
lace, you might like
Early 20th Century Embroidery Techniques by Gail  Marsh. 
It is the third
in a series, the others being 18th Century  Embroidery 
...
The book is a
good quality hardback, 192 pages,  published earlier  this 
year by the Guild
of Master Craftsman Publications.

ISBN 978-1-86108-820-8,  jacket prices of
$24.95 (U.S.), $29.95 in  Canada, 
16.99 British pounds.

I did not see it
in stores.  Ordered it at my local book shop.

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Re: [lace] Your story

[Nancy Neff]

Hi Lora,
 
I first saw bobbin lace being made by a woman demonstrating at a
needlework (!) exhibition in Devon, UK, in 1987.  I wish I knew who that lady
was because I would thank her several times over:  I watched mesmerized for
20-30 minutes.  When she noticed that others had come and gone but I was
rooted to the spot, she offered to let me try (on a real piece of lace, not a
try it pillow!!).  I remember it was in a cloth stitch area, and moving the
bobbins felt like something I had done in a previous life.  When I came back
to the States I eventually found some demonstrators from New England Lace
Guild and started myself with real equipment. (I had made a piece from a
needlework (! again) book, using an insect pinning board for a pillow and long
wood screws for bobbins--it certainly wasn't as aesthetically rewarded as
using lovely bobbins on a regular pillow.  The piece came out alright
however--a heroic effort!)
 
I like the simpler pieces because of rhythm and
sound of the bobbins, and because, like you, it frees my mind (especially my
subconscious) to deal with stuff that would make me frustrated if I was
obsessing about it.  The more difficult laces (especially for me Binche or Old
Flanders) are complicated puzzles that result in a beautiful result, during
which I am totally concentrated on the process and can take a vacation from
real life.  I make more samples than complete pieces because I like the
process and am interested in the look of the sample.  That said, I have two
pillows with handkerchief edgings on them (UFOs) and have done yardage for
insertions in clothing.
 
Thank you for the interesting questions.  And if
anyone from the UK remembers demonstrating in Devon in 1987--unlikely I know,
but I'd love to get in touch with you.
 
Nancy
Connecticut, USA
 


From: Lora lorabutter...@btinternet.com
To: Arachne Lace lace@arachne.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 4:14
PM
Subject: [lace] Your story

What about you? What sparked your interest
and what keeps you coming back?

Lora
In a cold dark village in ayrshire
What is it about lace making that keeps you interested and how has that
changed over the course of your learning?


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Re: [lace] Idea for lace ornament frame

[Nancy Neff]

I don't think heat or flammability is the problem--it's the release of acetic
acid when the acetate film is exposed to humidity.
 
And yes, the sheet used
in framing is polycarbonate, but the original question was about acetate film,
which is a different material.
 
But I certainly agree about the advantages of
protecting lace from dust!
 
Nancy



From:
Jane Partridge jpartri...@pebble.demon.co.uk
To: Nancy Neff
nnef...@yahoo.com 
Cc: Debora Lustgarten drac...@primus.ca; Arachne
lace@arachne.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 5:43 AM
Subject:
[lace] Idea for lace ornament frame

I think things may have come on since
then, as the lighting gel used in theatres and television is acetate - and
that withstands the heat from 1kw stage/set lights without problem - if it was
anywhere near as flammable as its predecessor it wouldn't be used!

The
usual sheet used in framing is much thicker, and probably a polycarbonate.




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