Re: [LU] Delusional
With all this unconditional optimism and potentially misplaced good faith, as in all things, there needs to be a measure of balance without necessarily being pessimistic We all want the same conclusion, but some express it differently. Dave -Original Message- From: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk [mailto:bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: 08 June 2020 19:17 To: David Smail Cc: heathpalai...@gmail.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Delusional Will the miserable bastards amongst this list please wait until we have actually lost? I thank you! Sent from my iPad > On 8 Jun 2020, at 04:51, David Smail wrote: > > Great minds think alike - I have raised this with a small group of > supporters at work. > > I too would have happily taken promotion as a result of season early > termination based on the fact that we've done enough already. > > All this talk of purity and finishing the season could be disaster for us as > you say if we fold again under the pressure. It's the equivalent of starting > a new season. One thing we have in our favour is that we do tend to make > good starts in the early weeks of new campaigns, so I hope this continues. > > All teams will be pumped up after the enforced break, however, we don't > generally get on well in Wales. > > Sadly we don't have a points cushion to help us ease back in and there is no > guarantee that we will continue our winning streak especially with no ER > home support I'm sure MB has all this in hand, We are well versed with > disappointments over the years - perhaps we can shake these off and see it > through. > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a paid up member of the Grumpy Old Men Society, it is not surprising > > that I mutter "the world's gone mad" about three times a day.but > > having said that, I really do think that the amount of delusional thinking > > in all walks of life nowadays has reached, well dare-I-say-it pandemic > > proportions. > > > > And one example of such is all these Leeds fans and players who are > > blathering about wanting the season to be completed and to "earn promotion > > on the pitch." They are completely deluded. > > > > If it does restart, this huge hiatus will have only ramped up the > > psychological pressure on the Leeds players. After weeks of reading and > > hearing how a) promotion was almost in the bag when it stopped, b) if it > > starts again promotion will be a formality, or c) the season should be > > stopped and Leeds should be handed promotion already, there will be massive > > pressure on the players if they actually do have to go out and do it on the > > pitch. > > > > I could easily see a superhyped-up Cardiff beating us in the first match. > > Imagine if we then do one of our classics and batter Fulham but fail to > > finish any moves and they get two chances all game and Mitrovic puts them > > both away. > > > > PRESSURE! > > > > And we showed in the playoffs last year that we have the capacity to > > completely fold when the pressure really mounts. Pablo, for example, was a > > complete liability in those last few games. A bowl of jelly would have > > contributed more. Dallas, with his experience of big International > > occasions, was the only player who reacted well to the pressure. > > > > Anyway, that's why I've got everything firmly crossed hoping the season > > will NOT get finished. > > > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > RIP Norman MOT ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Norman MOT
[LU] Delusional
Great minds think alike - I have raised this with a small group of supporters at work. I too would have happily taken promotion as a result of season early termination based on the fact that we've done enough already. All this talk of purity and finishing the season could be disaster for us as you say if we fold again under the pressure. It's the equivalent of starting a new season. One thing we have in our favour is that we do tend to make good starts in the early weeks of new campaigns, so I hope this continues. All teams will be pumped up after the enforced break, however, we don't generally get on well in Wales. Sadly we don't have a points cushion to help us ease back in and there is no guarantee that we will continue our winning streak especially with no ER home support I'm sure MB has all this in hand, We are well versed with disappointments over the years - perhaps we can shake these off and see it through. Dave As a paid up member of the Grumpy Old Men Society, it is not surprising that I mutter "the world's gone mad" about three times a day.but having said that, I really do think that the amount of delusional thinking in all walks of life nowadays has reached, well dare-I-say-it pandemic proportions. And one example of such is all these Leeds fans and players who are blathering about wanting the season to be completed and to "earn promotion on the pitch." They are completely deluded. If it does restart, this huge hiatus will have only ramped up the psychological pressure on the Leeds players. After weeks of reading and hearing how a) promotion was almost in the bag when it stopped, b) if it starts again promotion will be a formality, or c) the season should be stopped and Leeds should be handed promotion already, there will be massive pressure on the players if they actually do have to go out and do it on the pitch. I could easily see a superhyped-up Cardiff beating us in the first match. Imagine if we then do one of our classics and batter Fulham but fail to finish any moves and they get two chances all game and Mitrovic puts them both away. PRESSURE! And we showed in the playoffs last year that we have the capacity to completely fold when the pressure really mounts. Pablo, for example, was a complete liability in those last few games. A bowl of jelly would have contributed more. Dallas, with his experience of big International occasions, was the only player who reacted well to the pressure. Anyway, that's why I've got everything firmly crossed hoping the season will NOT get finished. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Norman MOT
[LU] LU: 4-5
Yes, we're all celebrating a win today and back to the top of the league. It was, to say the least, a mad game, but we conceded 4 to a team much lower in the league and this result could have gone either way. Looks like being 2 or 3 up is no given victory for us these days which is a worry. Putting the madness of this particular game to one side, it's very concerning how vulnerable we have become over the last few games. Our great leader and manager who analyses and contemplates to the n th degree will surely be at a loss to make sense of all this. I had it down as a 1-1 or defeat for us. Pah! What do I know? Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] Arse in the 3rd Round!
It’s true, but I think we could withstand a narrow defeat and a pat on the back for a gutsy performance playing away against a Premiership outfit. That would be my preferred outcome and then back to the “serious” business. I expect MB to field a strong team though, perhaps hoping for a serious test of where we stand. Arsenal have Cup pedigree and it’s all they have left this season probably, so they’ll be strong. Dave From: Nicholas Armit [mailto:arm...@yahoo.com] Sent: 04 December 2019 16:01 To: ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com; David Smail Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Arse in the 3rd Round! Losing badly in the cup seems to have derailed us in the past. Nick On Wednesday, December 4, 2019, 09:33:01 AM EST, David Smail wrote: The FA Cup for all its history and glory is irrelevant to us, I would hope MB plays his weakest 11 with one or two bigger names - just enough to avoid being hauled up to explain his team selection. The only possible virtue of progression in the Cup is to keep a good spell on the move, but then there's the chance of injuries effecting what we really want. Thankfully, Eddie can't play anyway. Dave He definitely can't play. Is it me or have we played Arsenal quite a bit since we came out of the Prem? It will be interesting to see how we fare against them, because I am sure that Bielsa will play a full-strength team. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] Arse in the 3rd Round!
The FA Cup for all its history and glory is irrelevant to us, I would hope MB plays his weakest 11 with one or two bigger names - just enough to avoid being hauled up to explain his team selection. The only possible virtue of progression in the Cup is to keep a good spell on the move, but then there's the chance of injuries effecting what we really want. Thankfully, Eddie can't play anyway. Dave He definitely can't play. Is it me or have we played Arsenal quite a bit since we came out of the Prem? It will be interesting to see how we fare against them, because I am sure that Bielsa will play a full-strength team. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
[LU] You make your own luck?
I agree - teams do make their own luck, but only to a point. It's a numbers game and the more time you spend attacking, the odds of scoring "should" improve. My fear at the moment is that we aren't inventive enough and trot out the same game play week in week out. 75% possession and running teams almost off the park is all very well, but we don't convert all that into nearly enough goals. I think we're quite predictable and set in our ways and teams are working this out and quite happy to let us have the ball and sit deep - we struggle getting through that and as a game progresses, more vulnerable to conceding a breakaway goal against the run of play. I don't believe we're that unlucky, just that final ball or attempt on goal lacking finesse. Dave I have always been a firm believer in the adage that "You make your own luck." From what I have seen and heard, Bielsa is also an adherent. He clearly believes that if we keep playing the "right" way, keep swarming over the opponents and making our overloads and delivering the ball into the danger area, then the rewards (goals) will come. They may not arrive in any one particular match, or even in a few consecutive matches (as is happening at the moment), but over a series of, say, 46 matches, more goals will arrive than would result from say lumping the ball aimlessly into the box. I absolutely agree with that analysis, on a logical and theoretical level. But on an emotional level, I am screaming WHEN WILL OUR BLOODY LUCK TURN? Contrast how hard we have worked, and how well we have played, to chisel out our last 2 goals (v WBA & M/wall) with bloody Derby Bastard County. They got the 2 jammiest goals ever v Luton on Saturday. Luck which they certainly didn't "make." We did get a few "lucky" goals last season (Roofe's handball v Forest and a Rotherham keeper error giving Roofe a 6 inch tap-in are two I recall.but going back to my thesis, they were lucky goals we "made" by pressurising and constantly attacking opponents, unlike the undeserved lucky goals Derby got.) So what am I saying? Let's keep faith in Bielsa, and trust that soon enough our luck will turn. SURELY??? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
[LU] Beradi
What can we do to persuade the independent authority to re-consider Beradi's red card rescinding? Perhaps an appeal? We can really do without this wreck less liability for as long as possible. He's bad enough at full back, but as CB he's a disaster waiting to happen. Whilst I mildly admire his fire, dedication and disregard for his own personal safety on the pitch, his temperament and decision making is unbalanced. The club is not blame free and does need to look at a stand in for Cooper. Dave -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
[LU] Millwall highlights
I agree that his red card yesterday was a terrible decision and the ref was made to look stupid and gullible. Sadly though, most of his others have been correct. For all his dedication and fearlessness, the guy is a hot head, liability and costs us. He should know that any challenge in that position is inviting a dive. Dave That was the worst sending-off decision I have seen for years. Talk about giving a dog a bad name. So now Breradi has the highest number of sendings-off for any one player in the entire EFL, since he made his debut for us.5 years ago. Laughable. Nick -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
[LU] LU leeds Derby
A lot of talk about Klich being arrogant with his penalty miss. I didn't see it that way. His last pen was very composed and he tried the same thing - why not? The keeper did go the wrong way - again and it was only his accuracy that was out. He steadied himself, looked like he was concentrating - how could that be arrogant? Just a straight forward miss. Would it have been considered "arrogant" had the keeper saved it. His pen miss did contribute to our not winning, but we had plenty of other missed chances. Does this make us an arrogant team? Dave --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
[LU] LU leeds Derby
Anyone not see this coming at half time? For all our 80% possession and 5 star first (machine) half performance - it's not good enough and we have a BIG problem scoring and this may very well find us out. The problem continues. I thought just before Derby scored that I have never felt more deflated about a victory, or even draw in the end. I have to say it - again - Bamford gets on the end of things and won us a pen, but his conversion rate is not there for a centre forward. 1-0 lead is never enough and we paid heavily today for that. We need somebody that can turn good chances into goals. C'mon MB, change it around - possession and chances is NOT enough! Don't base an entire performance on how the" machine" is working, slip in a proven goal scorer. QED! Dave --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
[LU] LU: Eddie v Bamford?
In Bielsa we trust? I don't get why he insists on starting with the semi out of form, frustrated and unreliable Bamford when Eddie is so sharp, full of confidence , terrorising defences and scoring for fun. Is Bielsa trying to justify the Bamford purchase price by starting with him? Is he relying too heavily on Eddie to put things right when Bamford is having yet another off day? Could it be that he's using Bamford to tire out defences to pave the way for the fresh legs and scoring habit of Eddie? Perhaps he was so impressed by Bamford's training ground exquisite volley that he's convinced he can replicate the same in real live matches? I can't think why Edie wouldn't be in his starting line up. Have I missed something? Dave --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
[LU] Pablo Hernandez
Magician at Stoke - yes. Not so much against Brentford the other night - so many passes blocked or mis placed. MB clearly saw this and wisely got him off the pitch - not his game that night. Can't do it every match I suppose. Overall though, such class and top drawer contributions. Dave Sorry Rich.my glass is half full 10/10 what a display of passing!! (and yes, I saw the crap ones too). Magician! --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
[LU] LU: Salford
Very professional approach last I think. This is the type of Cup game that was made for us to lose. Sutton, Newport and Histon etc especially with Man U connection. I thought at one stage with our usual lion's share of possession that we might, yet again, fail to make it count, but I was wrong. MB will be pleased that we remained patient and kept to the plan. Special mention for White - he's filled the shoes of Pontus very well, so far, but without all the fuss and drama. Hope this continues. Alioski? What can we say? Never doubted his devotion, enthusiasm or fitness, but he struggles to complete many passes that don't ricochet off someone or are over hit. Bamford appears a bit lost. I'm no Beradi fan - the guy's a liability, but I applaud his goal - lovely touch! Dave --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] LU: No comments on our 4-0 thumping by our dear friends....
Thanks for this. Dave We did have quite a bit of possession and at times looked quite good going forward, but as ever there was no end product. Here are my thoughts in a bit more detail:- Man U give Leeds a lesson in finishing - Leeds United News ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
[LU] LU: No comments on our 4-0 thumping by our dear friends....
Had the score been the other way around, I expect there would have been a ton of posts. It could be said that "It's only a friendly" but I suspect, given the rivalry, team selection and being so close to the start of the season, both teams were seriously out to win. In the end, we were given a lesson - I didn't see any of the match - did we come close to anything positive? Perhaps the 2nd tier for another season is not such a bad thing after all. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] First thing on next training session....
Never easy in our camp. I did notice a comment about us being complacent re Wigan. Very wisely, this was met with opposition. I strongly agree with the opposition in that we weren't complacent, we were simply not up to it and we were trying everything we knew which sadly was not near enough. Well said! Dave From: Ian Murray [mailto:ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com] Sent: 21 April 2019 13:01 To: Richard Walker; David Smail Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] First thing on next training session Is this what you apologised for Rich? No worries, we all get it. I think we need to deal with climate change but those people are very annoying. I haven't really been able to process this result yet and I don't think I can bring myself to think about it. This is going to the last day boys and girls. Its never easy with us is it? Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/ghei36> _ From: Leedslist on behalf of Richard Walker via Leedslist Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 4:01:31 PM To: David Smail Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] First thing on next training session I apologise for my climate change comment - I was in a pub feeling very distressed and pissed and they were showing these idiots dancing around on the news. As for the match I thought the subs were wrong. Roofe was trying too hard and Clarke just hasn't had enough minutes although he did ok. They had pace to burn up front and we just couldn't live with it. Still not over though > On 20 Apr 2019, at 06:58, David Smail wrote: > > "When you analyse, you describe the game, but I don't want to do that, > because there is no explanation for a loss like this" > > > > So says MB after the game, but is that really the case? > > > > The explanation is simple to me. Sometimes teams in Wigan's position > yesterday pack their defence and we hadn't the creativity, guile or > intelligence to break them down. > > What's worse, is that we didn't change our plan or game, just kept banging > away at the same old same old. It became embarrassing, and more so with > Alioski's shocking contribution. Wigan's defence must have grown in > confidence as the game progressed as they could see we weren't able to get > through them and weren't coming up with any variations or new ideas. > > > > MB, I suggest getting an academy 11 (or 10) to park the bus in a practise > match and work on some alternative plans. This may well happen again in the > next 3 games. > > > > On a positive note, it was good to see Roofe back with a few nice touches. > Sadly he probably won't be back to full strength before the season's end. > > > > We all clearly don't fancy the play offs, but it could end up as that - on > current positions, it would be Boro. What if they take the lead and park the > bus > > > > Dave > > > > > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
[LU] First thing on next training session....
"When you analyse, you describe the game, but I don't want to do that, because there is no explanation for a loss like this" So says MB after the game, but is that really the case? The explanation is simple to me. Sometimes teams in Wigan's position yesterday pack their defence and we hadn't the creativity, guile or intelligence to break them down. What's worse, is that we didn't change our plan or game, just kept banging away at the same old same old. It became embarrassing, and more so with Alioski's shocking contribution. Wigan's defence must have grown in confidence as the game progressed as they could see we weren't able to get through them and weren't coming up with any variations or new ideas. MB, I suggest getting an academy 11 (or 10) to park the bus in a practise match and work on some alternative plans. This may well happen again in the next 3 games. On a positive note, it was good to see Roofe back with a few nice touches. Sadly he probably won't be back to full strength before the season's end. We all clearly don't fancy the play offs, but it could end up as that - on current positions, it would be Boro. What if they take the lead and park the bus Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
[LU] 1-2 against ten men
Agreed! I don't mind losing, but we had no clue how to play against 10 men park the bus. Same old thing every attack. Pen miss could happen to anyone. Some poor performances today, not mentioning any names, but Alioski in particular was dreadful. All square at the top then, bar goal difference and the momentum swings to Sheff Utd - for now. Dave Morons. I cannot watch this Dr. Michael Benjamin ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
[LU] LU WBA Tonight
With considerable discussion and opinion on the list regarding our recent performances, I suggest a list score prediction. Not influenced by loyalty, hope, or a disproportionate sense of doom and gloom or optimism, but purely on raw football experience and knowledge. Many of us will remember Jabba's prediction league from many years ago on this list and I thought the top places in the league at the end of the season were held by fans who had a true insight into our club and our opponents without having to necessarily voice opinions or enter long debates. I'll kick things off for tonight with 1-2. Remember, disassociate from being a supporter for a moment, if you can and think pure football. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] On the other hand.
Good post. Some very interesting points put forward. Dave I think we are seeing that some of Bielsa's strengths are double edged, in that they also contain the seeds of our ultimate demise. To wit: - His loyalty to his core group of players. This doubtless results in reciprocal loyalty on the players' part and motivates them to run through a proverbial brick wall for him, but it seems to blind him to the need for change - and the availability of other options - when members of that core group show clear signs of mental fatigue and loss of form (indeed, it just serves to reinforce the mental and physical fatigue). Just a few examples of this are the failure to find a place in the team for Shackleton when Ayling's form has been so poor recently; the insistence on restricting Jack Clarke to second-half substitute appearances when he was already clearly the most dangerous player in the squad; the failure to even find a place on the bench for Edmondson when our team is clearly bereft of a consistent goalscorer in a division in which goal difference is likely to be crucial. - His obsession with leaving no statistical and informational stone unturned in his preparations. This led straight to Spygate. Of course it's ridiculous that the League fined the club two hundred thousand quid for breaking a rule that doesn't exist, but any Leeds supporter over the age of 15 could have told Bielsa that if he sent a Leeds employee to observe other clubs' training, and that employee was discovered to be doing that, our enemies would pounce on it and use it as a stick with which to beat us. This was dumb. It created a massive distraction at a crucial time of the season and cost the club a not inconsequential sum of money. - His openness and honesty, when combined with his insistence on sticking to only one style of play. By needlessly announcing his first XI for every game two days before kickoff, he gives the opposition manager 48 hours in which to plan how to counter us. Is it any surprise that as the season has gone on, more and more managers have figured this out? This is an absolute own goal. If I were Radz I would have told him to stop doing it months ago. - His insistence on working with a small squad. Bielsa's previous experience in Europe was managing sides in La Liga and Ligue 1. Both of those leagues have a 38-game season (in slightly warmer climes). The Championship has a 46-game season, much of it played through in the (mostly north) English winter. In addition there are two knockout cups and preseason games, meaning the first team is playing more than 50 games per season. For several players (Jansson, Klich, Douglas, Peacock-Farrell, Dallas, etc) there is the added burden of playing in (and traveling to and from) regular international games. The Championship - and English football in general - generally involves a much more physically demanding style of play than is the case in the Spanish and French top tiers. In addition, Rob Price himself acknowledged recently that players at the peak of fitness that Bielsa favors are more likely to get injured. Plus, we are Leeds United - we have injury crises that last years (cf: The O'Leary years). This all seems to argue for a larger squad than might be the case in Bilbao or Marseille. But not only did Bielsa insist on keeping the squad small, as players left the squad (Pearce, Saiz, etc.) they weren't replaced. I understand that it's easier to build camaraderie with a smaller squad, but are Bielsa's motivational skills so limited that he'd be unable to handle a squad with a few more players in it (let's say a creative midfielder, a dominant central midfielder and a proven, uninjured goalscorer)? I find that hard to believe. The results of all this are now clear for all to see. If Bielsa (or Corberan, if Bielsa leaves, as seems likely) could find a way to bend a little on the above points, and if Radz can find the cash to buy more quality while retaining players like Clarke and Jansson, then I'd say we have a good chance of going up next season. Otherwise, it'll be more of the same. Cheers! Sean ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] On the other hand.
You're right - 10 minutes is no fair trial and I may have had an itchy trigger finger given the frustration that we all must have been under. I was appalled though in the way he acted when he came on albeit for the last 10 mins or so. We were the weaker side, but not by a lot and a fresh set of legs just might have influenced an undeserved goal for a draw. Instead he started to through his considerable stature about, got booked and then continued the rough play. He's out of match practise of course, but he is a pro and should adapt to circumstances and the needs of his team - he failed badly to do that! Also, it's further frustrating for us to witness our great and beloved club to be at the mercy of such inappropriate behaviour. Compared to Dallas for example, one of our other subs last night - I am a Dallas fan although I know he's not popular - he did make a little bit of a difference and added something we hadn't been enjoying - that's what subs are meant to do. Dave From: Richard Naef [mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk] Sent: 27 February 2019 15:58 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org; David Smail Subject: Re: [LU] On the other hand. FFS David, uve judged brown on 10 mins? Sent from my mobile _ From: Leedslist on behalf of David Smail Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 3:17:10 PM To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] On the other hand. It wasn't ONLY a "bummer of a result" Our lack of cutting edge is becoming more and more evident. For all our possession, undoubted fitness, and willingness, teams know they can let us have the ball for long periods in the safe knowledge we're unlikely to find an end result. There was only one well worked move from us that nearly ended in a goal. It's becoming mildly embarrassing that our same old same old approach isn't yielding many goals. And then to cap it off, MB always states that with so much possession and domination, we didn't take our chances. I thought QPR were worthy of their win last night - they had a sparkle from time to time that we didn't. I think Brown, Roberts and Douglas are all poor, especially Brown - get him back to Chelsea and lose the other 2 quickly. How did any of these 3 manage to be signed - it's back to Doukara days. I think we'll do well to take a point from WBA on current form. I still see Norwich and Sheff U for auto promotion and a possible place for us in the play offs with WBA joining Norwich and Sheff U in promotion. Not all doom and gloom though - it's been an incredible season and the best we've seen LU for some time. Dave A very fair point Sean - MB is unlikely to be here for more than another season at most. I hope he has now learnt he has underestimated the resources required for this 'project', and will want to give it another go having bought 4 or 5 quality players. It's not all over this season by a long chalk, but last night was a bummer of a result. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] On the other hand.
It wasn't ONLY a "bummer of a result" Our lack of cutting edge is becoming more and more evident. For all our possession, undoubted fitness, and willingness, teams know they can let us have the ball for long periods in the safe knowledge we're unlikely to find an end result. There was only one well worked move from us that nearly ended in a goal. It's becoming mildly embarrassing that our same old same old approach isn't yielding many goals. And then to cap it off, MB always states that with so much possession and domination, we didn't take our chances. I thought QPR were worthy of their win last night - they had a sparkle from time to time that we didn't. I think Brown, Roberts and Douglas are all poor, especially Brown - get him back to Chelsea and lose the other 2 quickly. How did any of these 3 manage to be signed - it's back to Doukara days. I think we'll do well to take a point from WBA on current form. I still see Norwich and Sheff U for auto promotion and a possible place for us in the play offs with WBA joining Norwich and Sheff U in promotion. Not all doom and gloom though - it's been an incredible season and the best we've seen LU for some time. Dave A very fair point Sean - MB is unlikely to be here for more than another season at most. I hope he has now learnt he has underestimated the resources required for this 'project', and will want to give it another go having bought 4 or 5 quality players. It's not all over this season by a long chalk, but last night was a bummer of a result. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] Not looking good
I disagree. Sadly, I think Norwich and Blades for auto promotion and WBA from playoffs. It's not overly pessimistic or death wish - just an opinion. Hope I'm wrong! Whatever the outcome, it's been a great season with MB considering we've by and large achieved all this with few new signings and significant injuries. If I'm wrong and we do go up, he doesn't really believe we can compete in the PL with the same squad - does he? Dave Agreed, it's in our hands, we just have to equal or better the results of one of the 2 teams above us. I think Norwich are ready for a mini slump, esp if teemu gets injured. I actually think us and blunts will go up, automatically. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] Take it on the chin!
On his post match comments, Daniel Farke stated he'd changed things around to adapt to playing Leeds, he went on to say something like that it wasn't their usual plan. It certainly worked! On the other hand, MB states that he will not change playing style so what's the point in doing all this research into opponents if you're going to blindly march on playing the same system anyway? It's all about being able to adapt to the other side - if they're playing you off the park and you stick with your guns, nothing will change - as yesterday proved. Vision and technical ability played some part as well. Dave You raise at least one very good point Alec - is Bielsa flexible enough. OK his methods have been a revelation, and I'm a convert, BUT there is a fear that his purist 'must do this everytime' approach doesn't deliver. Heresy I know, and I'd get less flak if we'd just won, but the simple reality is you can't plan everything, so when we need to I don't see why tightening the formation is such a no no? I think by common consent most of our players have played at a level none thought was possible, particularly after last season, but the actual quality of our individual players isn't great, and I have another fear that Bielsa believes his approach will work with any player if they buy into it, regardless of quality? Playing Ayling demonstrates the problem! Like Alec, I've got the jitters over going up. Whilst not many teams will do what Norwich did to us yesterday, teams know how to play us. Finally, Bamford maybe looks like the best footballer we have, but I can't see him playing the Bielsa way. Roll on next week so we can get this out of our systems! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
[LU] Take it on the chin!
Fair play to Norwich - weren't they excellent? Forced us into errors, mistakes, conceding free kicks and a mild sense of panic. They seemed to win 90% second ball. MB out done on this one. Good spells of possession, but no cutting edge and leading to very little. MB declares he won't change our style of play - no plan B - this was clear tonight. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
[LU] Spygate might end up costly
It seems as though we have few friends in official League and FA corridors. Although lots of talk and humour around this, it could end up as a points deduction or another serious sanction. I find it hard to believe that somebody with MB's experience would think that this was okay to do and turn away from "When in Rome" or even seek advice first. is there anything else going on here behind the scenes? We shall see, but I'm leaning towards a disproportionate sentence. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
[LU] Blackburn
I think we're in great danger of being "rumbled" I mentioned this after the Brentford game and it's holding true. Teams have seen our pressing forward play and used that against us. We don't appear to do very well at countering it. An ironic if not mildly amusing picture. Blackburn out-did us in many areas and as our glorious leader said "We only really started to play when we were losing. This is a defect" or similar words. There were huge questions asked at the start of the season whether we could plays MB's style with the players we currently have and although we've done remarkably well , I think we're looking vulnerable when teams play our own style against us. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
[LU] Brentford
Much talk of the refereeing standard in this game, but apart from that, I thought Brentford is probably one of the best sides we've met this season and, ironically, using our own style of intense and high pressing tactics, did it better than us on our own back yard. Some of our medicine kind of thing. I don't know if this is Brentford's normal pace and style of play, but their game plan worked very well and they out did us in many areas. In particular, winning more 50/50 and 2nd ball battles. Thankfully the finishing opportunities that this created were squandered, otherwise we might have been on the losing end . Heads didn't drop though and we went on to equalise which was a real credit to the mentality, outlook and dedication of the players. It was 100mph stuff for long periods and for the neutral (and probably the teams' supporters too) great entertainment. I became more concerned as the game progressed that we didn't really look like scoring whereas Brentford's chances were wasted. This is the type of game that we might have lost at the same stage last season. I can see why the ref gave their penalty - he seemed in a good position to decide but didn't have the endless replays that the TV audience benefited from and bought their strikers falling over. Then there was Jansson's hauling down of their striker on the edge of the box which we should be grateful didn't result in another penalty for them, given his clear leaning towards them. I still remember Arsenal's unbeaten season around 2003. I'm sure that they must have had bad decisions against them and their fair share of poor refs - all teams do - it averages out I suppose, so this was one of our bad experiences which we didn't lose! Although 50 games without a penalty might make me reconsider. All in all, I think out of the two manager's Bielsa must have ended up the happier. All this, of course, without Hernandez, Roofe and Beradi. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
[LU] Brentford
Much talk of the refereeing standard in this game, but apart from that, I thought Brentford is probably one of the best sides we've met this season and, ironically, using our own style of intense and high pressing tactics, did it better than us on our own back yard. Some of our medicine kind of thing. I don't know if this is Brentford's normal pace and style of play, but their game plan worked very well and they out did us in many areas. In particular, winning more 50/50 and 2nd ball battles. Thankfully the finishing opportunities that this created were squandered, otherwise we might have been on the losing end . Heads didn't drop though and we went on to equalise which was a real credit to the mentality, outlook and dedication of the players. It was 100mph stuff for long periods and for the neutral (and probably the teams' supporters too) great entertainment. I became more concerned as the game progressed that we didn't really look like scoring whereas Brentford's chances were wasted. This is the type of game that we might have lost at the same stage last season. I can see why the ref gave their penalty - he seemed in a good position to decide but didn't have the endless replays that the TV audience benefited from and bought their strikers falling over. Then there was Jansson's hauling down of their striker on the edge of the box which we should be grateful didn't result in another penalty for them, given his clear leaning towards them. I still remember Arsenal's unbeaten season around 2003. I'm sure that they must have had bad decisions against them and their fair share of poor refs - all teams do - it averages out I suppose, so this was one of our bad experiences which we didn't lose! Although 50 games without a penalty might make me reconsider. All in all, I think out of the two manager's Bielsa must have ended up the happier. All this, of course, without Hernandez, Roofe and Beradi. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
[LU] BBC reporters' prediction for final league table.
What have they predicted for 2018-19? Derby in the playoffs then? Dave https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44700925 BBC Sport's predicted final table Pos Team Average 1 Stoke City 1.48 2 Middlesbrough 2.64 3 Derby County 5.08 4 West Bromwich Albion 5.24 5 Nottingham Forest 6.08 6 Leeds United 7.00 7 Swansea City 8.32 8 Aston Villa 8.56 9 Brentford 10.40 10 Sheffield United 10.56 11 Norwich City 11.36 12 Preston North End 11.44 13 Sheffield Wednesday 11.92 14 Bristol City 13.40 15 Queens Park Rangers 13.84 16 Millwall 14.12 17 Blackburn Rovers 14.52 18 Birmingham City 14.60 19 Wigan Athletic 15.00 20 Hull City 15.04 21 Reading 16.64 22 Ipswich Town 16.92 23 Bolton Wanderers 20.36 24 Rotherham United 21.48 ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] No new messages
Thanks. Can't think why I can see nothing new on the digest since Sept 13 until tonight. Still, no matter, 3-0 win with weakened team and things continue to look good. Dave -Original Message- From: Richard Naef [mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk] Sent: 18 September 2018 20:47 To: David Smail; leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: RE: [LU] No new messages It's you loads of messages over the last few days. ttfn Richard -Original Message- From: Leedslist On Behalf Of David Smail Sent: 18 September 2018 20:31 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: [LU] No new messages No new messages on the list since Sept 13th - 5 days ago. Is it just me, or is the list really quite? Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
[LU] No new messages
No new messages on the list since Sept 13th - 5 days ago. Is it just me, or is the list really quite? Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] Boro
Yes, a defeat for me too. How will our revered leader cope and react? Dave Going for a defeat that will give MB the impetus to get us over the challenge of playing rough house yokels next time. We are going up as champions. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] Reality check?
We got hammered 2-2. A flattering result for us I thought. We did well to fight back but Swansea looked so much better - they would - they've had more than a taste of the top flight. It's good for our club to have been under the cosh for such long periods and get off with a draw. Our esteemed management team now have more to consider having seen us nearly mauled in some passages of play tonight. On the plus side, we did daw level - twice, which against such stronger opposition was no mean feat. Our substitutions were good - I applaud MB for that. The bubble has burst and now it's time to see the true metal, that hopefully, lives underneath. When Swansea were promoted to the premier league, they did it in style with some to spare and stayed there for some time - I admired them for that. I hope we can mimic and surpass their achievements of yester-year. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] Reality check?
Well yes. I thought we were on a downward spiral until we scored. Our new manager's hardest half time position so far. This is hard to call Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
[LU] Reality check?
I think tonight will be our toughest test so far. Everyone happy with an away point? Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
[LU] NON LU: Belgium better side
Southgate has brought a lot of positive things to England in this World Cup. It may be true that Belgium are further developed and closer to their finished form, but for me, one of the greatest of Southgates' achievements was illustrated in his post match comments today after England's' 2-0 defeat. "Belgium are a better side" Good call Gareth. They certainly are (even without Fellaini) Carry on sir. I believe 4th place considerably flatters England although they progressed so much further than could have been expected. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
[LU] RE (LU Tippy Tappy)
Ah yes, 1972 showboating against the already defeated Southampton - I remember it well and look it up from time to time. The good old days The point here is that LU did not play this style by default and put on a "Little exhibition for fun" let's say, when the game was all but over. Any side that employs this style ends up very quickly as being boring and predictable albeit with the ball most of the time and perhaps with a high percentage of wins. Is that the combo we all really want? Let alone having the players do it? That is why I cite teams like Bayern who can play this way but are also seen using blood and thunder / Roy of the Rovers tactics as well. Beggars can't be choosers and we'll take anything (I suppose) to get "Back to where we need to be" (Don't you hate that over-used insipid phrase?) I stick with my guns in saying Spain / Barcelona are dull to watch with their self - imposed defaqto short passing game. I suppose it's a matter of deciding if you go to matches to be entertained or just to see your team win with the only style they know and no plan B. I expect the Nation would erupt if England win the competition, but overall entertainment just outweighs that for me. Did anyone find England's mauling of Panama entertaining when compared with Germany's last gasp winner against Sweden as a one on one comparison? No competition in my book. Dave And your (and many others in England) "Can't be doing with" is the reason England haven't won a major trophy for 52 years and Spain have won three in the last 10 years. As the German coach of the time put it after their semi final defeat in 2008, death by a thousand passes. Simply awesome in my view and one unerring truth in football is that the opposition cannot score if they do not have the ball. If only the hapless club team of our affections could string 6 passes together what a joy that would be to behold. Southampton 1972 anyone? Rogerre ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
[LU] NON LU Argentina
There it is then, Argentina through to the final 16. A great winning goal, it has to be said. Apart from a certain region of South America, I'll wager that most other hearts in the footballing world sank - or perhaps it's just me? As long as Spain don't win the Competition, especially on another farcical VAR / referee decision, I'll take anyone else that can provide entertaining footy without bogus claims and cheating. I can't be doing with their drip by drip endless passing torture method of wearing teams down. Boring boring boring. I think Spain must also hope and that opponents become bored and distracted into making errors as they attempt crosswords and read magazines to pass the time that Spain are in possession. They need a good hard and skilful team like Bayern to sort them out. I quite like the idea of club sides taking on nations. There's so many mildly amusing permutations. Sengal V Swindon Town Argentina v QPR England v Barcelona Span v Bayern (ahem) Costa Rica v Plymouth Argyle Peru v Forest I think LU would be doing well to "scrape" a point from the likes of Iceland. The list goes on... Apologies if World Cup comments are not approved of on the list - just a few (some slightly obscure) personal views so far.The list can become so quiet and dull from time to time. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
[LU] Fulham
Wish Fulham would hurry up and score the inevitable goal - then I can watch something else. It's men and boys, sadly. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
[LU] Away games next season
Radz was hoping for a trip to the likes of Anfield next season. Looks like he's going to have to settle for a trip to Shrewbury Town's New Meadow instead. It'll be like back in the 3rd tier English football. With (ahem) full respect to Shrewsbury Town, if they make it. I'm sure they'll do the double over us! Dave PS Just a line or two to keep our very slow moving list alive. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] Or McLaren, stam or Grayson
Mad Nigel? No thanks, he'd attack somebody sooner or later. Dave From: Ted [mailto:tedhea...@gmail.com] Sent: 05 February 2018 12:48 To: Richard Naef Cc: seanscr...@aol.com; dsm...@dsmail.plus.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Or McLaren, stam or Grayson See Leeds fan Stuart McCall has just been sacked by Bradford coincidence? ;-) Personally, I feel a bit sorry for TC, injuries/suspensions, Orta, etc. Not an easy job. I'd prefer to go for a defensive minded British manager - maybe the only (realistic) name banded about would be Nigel Pearson? Ted H ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] Or McLaren, stam or Grayson
Only if we could field that wasn't decimated through mass red card suspensions. Grot and Sacko might get a game (give me strength Lord) - they do sometimes anyway. Dave From: seanscr...@aol.com [mailto:seanscr...@aol.com] Sent: 05 February 2018 12:38 To: dsm...@dsmail.plus.com; rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Or McLaren, stam or Grayson Berardi's limited as a player (something he has admitted himself), but if every player we have played with his desire and intensity, we'd be much higher up the table. Sean -Original Message- From: David Smail <dsm...@dsmail.plus.com> To: richard <rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> Cc: leedslist <leedslist@gn.apc.org> Sent: Sun, Feb 4, 2018 11:49 pm Subject: [LU] Or McLaren, stam or Grayson Grayson by a country mile - he always said he'd love to return and finish the job - why not now? He did as well as any of the recent crop. Stam would be dull and boring and although I care not about his Man Utd links and he may save us from relegation, I'd "almost" prefer the drop with Grayson than Stam at the helm. McLaren is a total has been and I really don't like him. Monk would be my first choice but no chance of that - will we ever really know under what circumstances he left? Looking at recent years, clubs have gone down with points total in the early 40s. At the moment, I can't see anything better than a draw especially against stronger opposition as we have to face. Avoiding relegation has suddenly become the focus and that's not being over pessimistic. George Graham would park the bus and make us hard to beat - anyone? Ha So often we hear from new signings saying words like "When I heard Leeds were interested it was a no brainer" What must they be thinking now? I wonder how many prospective signings have thought "Leeds? Do me a favour, I can do better than that" I wish the very thought had passed through Beradi's head. What a liability! Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
[LU] Or McLaren, stam or Grayson
Grayson by a country mile - he always said he'd love to return and finish the job - why not now? He did as well as any of the recent crop. Stam would be dull and boring and although I care not about his Man Utd links and he may save us from relegation, I'd "almost" prefer the drop with Grayson than Stam at the helm. McLaren is a total has been and I really don't like him. Monk would be my first choice but no chance of that - will we ever really know under what circumstances he left? Looking at recent years, clubs have gone down with points total in the early 40s. At the moment, I can't see anything better than a draw especially against stronger opposition as we have to face. Avoiding relegation has suddenly become the focus and that's not being over pessimistic. George Graham would park the bus and make us hard to beat - anyone? Ha So often we hear from new signings saying words like "When I heard Leeds were interested it was a no brainer" What must they be thinking now? I wonder how many prospective signings have thought "Leeds? Do me a favour, I can do better than that" I wish the very thought had passed through Beradi's head. What a liability! Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
[LU] LU We are a 2nd Tier Outfit - QED
Another mildly disappointing result then, just squeezed in before the pantomime season draws to a close for another year. Three red cards in three games - the old chants of "Dirty Leeds" grow louder week by week. I'm not so down - hearted though as I would've been a year or two ago. Against the undying and huge support we have and many of the other attributes of a first tier club, our performances place us firmly in the Championship where we rightfully belong - for the time being. There was an air of inevitability today given that Milwall hadn't won away all season. Statistics like that seem to floor us. We have good patches and then self combust. Wolves lost to Forest, of course, showing that nothing can be taken for granted, but Wolves will bounce back and learn from it, whilst we carry on much the same, if not a little more damaged, in preparation for the lighting of our own blue touch paper again and poor subsequent poor performance. The Newport legacy may haunt us for some time. Things have been better in parts this season, but I've never thought we were ready for promotion. We've never "dazzled" or properly hung teams out to dry - more of a scraping single goal victory with a higher percentage of possession . The Championship is truly hard, but some top teams are noticeably a cut above the rest - we're not one of them yet. TC appears mildly naive and I wish Monk had remained. I'm expecting a higher mid table finish (if we can regularly field a team that isn't scuppered through suspension) to the season with the stability of TC remaining. If and when we do gain promotion, it has to be on the back of a solid season that we can take with us into the Premiership, not what we're offering in some matches currently. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ FLAME WARS 'R US
[LU] LU 2 Games, 2 Red Cards
If we're not careful, we'll be hearing chants of "Dirty Leeds" again. No idea about today's circumstances at Ipswich, but it's another red regardless of situation, Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ FLAME WARS 'R US
Re: [LU] LU Newport
I was never thinking of sacking TC over this - just frustrated that he fell into the same hole as Monk re team selection. Had we played a full strength team, I imagine there might have been a different result. I know the league and promotion are everything to a club like ours, but it's not as though we had a mid week game coming up, simply TC not wanting to risk regular first team players and the idea that previous Cup games had gone well with this set up. Even if we do badly in our next few league games, the season is far from a failure if we can repeat the turn around after our shocking 7 defeats on the trot or whatever it was - although the gap might be too large by then. Lasogga and Grot (especially) are not up to it (I won't leave this...) I don't blame them, I point the finger at the establishment that invited them in. May the same process admit it's wrong doing and reverse it, quickly! Dave From: nat...@sky.com [mailto:nat...@sky.com] Sent: 08 January 2018 11:21 To: David Smail; leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] LU Newport I have been getting a lot of stick today based on the performance / result yesterday - as I told them all I am used to it - Histon, Sutton over the last few years. I think it is different from last year v Sutton when Monk , to try and prove a point, picked a load of no-hope kids etc, TC has picked a team full of squad players, albeit very few actual "first teamers" TC has explained the selection stating that is is very much the same thinking that got us 5 1 results v Newport & Port Vale and a winning draw v Burnley and a decent performance at Leicester. There is some truth in this and if we had won I think most fans would have been OK with it. When I saw the team I was content with it - I did worry and in fact pointed out on here- that the bench only had Saiz who could come on and change things if the scoreline was going against us (I did not think Saiz would manage to not touch the ball when he came on) It is just how things are these days - the League is all important and all teams in the top two Divisions load their team with squad players We should have had enough quality to overcome 4th division opponents and enough players should have been trying to impress and force their way into the first team to have a high degree of commitment. It all depends now on how we re-act - last time under Monk his plan backfired, he was not given more money to strenghten the squad and the defeat seemed to knock some of the stuffing out of the first team players, even though they did not play, and led a lot of fans to fall out with Monk Hopefully the performance of Lassogga and Grot will mean that TC (and Orta) change their minds about the need for another striker - Lassogga is lazy and Grot needs to go out on loan or play for the u23s for a bit to see if there is an actual player in there or not - he is nowhere near first team level at this point. It should confirm the decision to get rid of Brothwick Jackson if we can - and bring in the Belgian left back. It also shows that Anita is not a left back - he was given a torrid time from Nouble(sp) I have no idea why Pennington did not play - Everton are out of the cup so having him cup tied does not seem to be a problem. It should stop fans asking why Klitch is not getting a game etc For me, I was content when I saw the team and in my ideal scenario we would get two or three up with goals from Lassogga and 2 from Grot (to get their confidence up) and then Clarke could come on a get a 4th (laid on by Rey !) and things would look great - this is far from what happened and with Saiz looking at a 6 week ban we have a lot of problems It is still much too soon to sack TC but it does increase the pressure on him, and a win at Ipswich will assign yesterday to the history books - a defeat there and a bad result v Millwall and the whole season will collapse Dave _ From: David Smail <dsm...@dsmail.plus.com> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Cc: 'Rob Gillard' <rgill...@me.com> Sent: Monday, 8 January 2018, 2:48 Subject: [LU] LU Newport I am ashamed of Leeds United today - and that's strong words. Is that TC's undiplomatic way of saying were not interested in the FA Cup? Perhaps he was pleased in some demented way with how it all panned out and today's result is a secret success in his book although he'd never admit it. Our passing was awful and embarrassing and we couldn't contain Newport. I saw this result coming a mile away but not the way it happened. All our supporters making the trip and paying their money - what an insult to them, our club and the competition itself. I'm waiting for an apology TC - why have you kept so quiet after the game? Have you no thoughts, opinions or comments? At least the likes of Villa went out to lower league competition with some style and grace and look
[LU] LU Newport
I am ashamed of Leeds United today - and that's strong words. Is that TC's undiplomatic way of saying were not interested in the FA Cup? Perhaps he was pleased in some demented way with how it all panned out and today's result is a secret success in his book although he'd never admit it. Our passing was awful and embarrassing and we couldn't contain Newport. I saw this result coming a mile away but not the way it happened. All our supporters making the trip and paying their money - what an insult to them, our club and the competition itself. I'm waiting for an apology TC - why have you kept so quiet after the game? Have you no thoughts, opinions or comments? At least the likes of Villa went out to lower league competition with some style and grace and looked like they were bothered. As already mentioned, if we scrape the play offs all this will be forgotten and forgivenonly to a point, but as also mentioned, defeats like this can have a dramatic effect on form and confidence. Grot and Lasogga truly awful - who brought them in? Ahem! Fine move bringing on Saiz TC whose only contribution was to get sent off for spitting ( I read) Did he touch the ball? Now a 3 match ban for a proven game changer. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ FLAME WARS 'R US
[LU] QPR _ TC good or just lucky
A very astute observation. What ratio can apportioned to luck and / or good management is questionable although I think luck took the lion's share. The main thing is that TC learns from this - we may learn more about this if Roofe and Cibicki start next game. He does appear to favour the Grot kid who for me has done next to nothing so far in spite of his structure and frame. He may be a prospect and a work in progress but I haven't seen much to suggest it. Dave Thinking about yesterdays game (and watching highlights) it got me wondering whether TC was just lucky and without that we would not have won IF Ekuban had not got injured we would have kept the same eleven who were average to say the least first half Then if Grot had not been missing through injury (as far as we know) he would most likely have come on in a straight swap for Ekuban - it was these injuries that led to Roofe going up front (the only place he is ever really effective) and to Cibicki getting a place on the bench and then on the pitch Roofe then gets a hat trick with the second being laid on a plate by Cibicki So good fortune , good management or a mixture of the two ? Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ FLAME WARS 'R US
[LU] Wolves
I disagree (without being unduly negative) We did fight back in the 2nd half and grabbed a goal and enjoyed some good spells of possession, but I think Wolves were some way ahead of us in all departments by that time and more goals for them had an air of inevitability. "What ifs" are always a grey area but even without Vierra's stupid yellow, I still think Wolves had all but put us to bed in the first half and only needed to up the ante a little which they did. I wasn't keen on TC's summing up when he said they had some great players and inferred that we could do with some of them - almost as though we didn't do too badly.considering..We were a well beaten side that tried hard, as were Barnsley on Sat. Dave difficult one this - I would have love to have seen what would have happened if Vierra hadn't dived in on a yellow - really stupid and it means we're back to O'Kane and Philips for Barnsley. At that time I thought we were really on top and Wolves had lost it completely. With Ekuban replacing the hapless Roofe (he isn't good enough) I think we would have grabbed a point. So overall, I'm not too unhappy but I think there are some key things to sort out. Left back is a priority. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ FLAME WARS 'R US
[LU] LU Penalty incident
Yes, shocking decision by the officials, but Ayling was a silly boy. Play to the whistle and all that Let's not forget that Beradi had earlier hauled down one of their strikers close to goal with a shirt pull. Nailed on penalty in my book which the officials totally missed. Who'd be a ref? Making a fool of yourself on National TV. Do they watch the games afterwards and hold their heads in dis-belief and shame? Probably not. Beradi is becoming a liability. Tough as nails perhaps, but I'm not convinced he won't do something stupid in the heat of the moment. We still badly miss Bartley and Green. A win all the same though! Dave This is the link Robert Stevens (@robstevens9) 19/11/2017, 15:46 How is this a penalty to Middlesbrough? Ayling is clearly fouled first! #lufc pic.twitter.com/BWLzQJ4ACF Download the Twitter app Sent from my iPhone ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ FLAME WARS 'R US
[LU] Spine of team
I agree apart from Bridcutt. Great expectations transformed into a liable lump. Green and Bartley were the answer and the spine of our defence. So sad it had to end. Bartley had to return home which was inevitable, but to let Green go was shocking and grossly naive. Wood couldn't stay and I don't blame him for leaving - we got the money and he deserved better than LU. When will the tide turn for us? It's not so bad being mid table, but at this rate we'll be bottom 3 by January and TC will be gone. We all want stability on the pitch, but how patient is the board and owner? Dave Not just Green, Rich Bartley Bridcutt Wood To replace 4.. And yesit does ruin your weekend. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ FLAME WARS 'R US
Re: [LU] Terrible
Couldn't stop winning and now can't stop losing. Fast becoming the division's whipping boys. How long will the board take this utter collapse? TC had a great start, nobody could argue that, but it's turned right around. Welcome to LUFC Thomas - this is what you have chosen to take charge of. We're used to it - are you? Strachan's free Dave And it got worse and worse by the sounds of it. Forget promotion, this is relegation form. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org FLAME WARS 'R US
Re: [LU] Clubs risk bankruptcy with promotion to Premiership
Here here. Good observation sir. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org FLAME WARS 'R US
[LU] Cardiff - Hands up who didn't see that coming?
I had a bad a bad feeling about this one. It gives TC something to think about I suppose. It may help to maketh the man and the team. No complaints - they were better than us, deserved the win, easily, and we couldn't adapt. Taken on the chin! Onwards and upwards. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org FLAME WARS 'R US
[LU] Burnley win?
Watching only the highlights it appears to me that this wasn't much different from the Milwall game. Looks like we had to suffer wave after wave of Burnley attacks and were pretty much out everythinged most of the time in most areas. Burnley's finishing was poor which let us off to a large degree. Sacko's goal. if I'm not mistaken, went through the keeper's legs - goal's a goal, but perhaps some luck involved - great ball to him mind. Our penalty in normal time looked something between a very soft decision and no penalty at all. The shootout saw us shine but we should have been well buried long before that. We got through and I'm pleased about that, but it doesn't bode well that we can be pinned back and outplayed / outmuscled so easily. Our great start to the season saw us doing that to our opponents. All teams seem to play a weakened line up in this competition so there's nothing in it there. Let's hope we can return to stamping our mark on games. Milwall and Burnley both had us chasing to try and adapt to what they were doing. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org FLAME WARS 'R US
[LU] Millwall
What a mature and balanced summary. I totally agree. Are we only fair-weather listers? Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org FLAME WARS 'R US
[LU] penalty yesterday
Nice observation. Subtle Pontus. That's the way to do it sometimes. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org FLAME WARS 'R US
[LU] Unkown manager brings in unknown players.....
as TC would start every sentence "Well." Looks like we have ourselves a team. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org FLAME WARS 'R US
[LU] LU: A new chapter without Wood
So our super striker is off. I say take the money and allow Burnley to become the new Norwich re player pinching - not that anyone apart from Wood himself has much say in the matter. Wood, for all his goals is a 6 yard box type of striker - it's what he does and I thank him for that, but never offered the type of exciting and true grit play that Saiz and Alioski are showing. It's a new chapter and style in our journey and I quite like it so far. Still not sure that Green shouldn't be our number one keeper but that's up to TC and I doubt anyone will be complaining so far. Great show against Sunderland. We weathered a storm and turned it around. I read that Ross McCormack may be on his way back - really? together with some German striker? Perhaps this is all hearsay. Surely we could buy Neymar's left ear for the Wood money. Wasn't Pontus a star tonight? Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org FLAME WARS 'R US
[LU] Rob Green to leave?
Crazy mad! Arguably our best performer last season is allowed to walk. New manager has new ideas on players etc but this is verging on unbelievable and a very bad omen I'd say. As ever, time will tell, but if he's a patch on Green, he'll be doing well. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org FLAME WARS 'R US
[LU] LU All quiet on manager front
Looks like Stam is not for us according to what I read. This may please many? He's staying put and why shouldn't he? We are a big club without matching ambition or aspiration - we will end up taking a head coach who is willing to give us a go and for us, just to get a bum in a seat, but I don't expect a big name stepping in. Perhaps last season was our big chance to do something, but as we failed in the end, we are thrown back into very likely mid table mediocrity, at best, for next season. Looking to 2018/19 for any major changes. Season ticket anyone? Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org FLAME WARS 'R US
Re: [LU] LU Sacko new deal
It's very subjective of course, but I've seen enough of both over some time to qualify for justified wrist slitting. To sign Sacko up though in the absence of a manager is pure madness based on "potential" There'll be little enough money for our (yet to be decided) new manager to throw around on new players without squandering it on the likes of him. Is this our new director of football trying to make a name for himself at the outset ? if so, it's not a good sign of things to come. Dave -Original Message- From: Richard Naef [mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk] Sent: 03 June 2017 11:59 To: David Smail; leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: RE: [LU] LU Sacko new deal I think Doukara is a decent squad player for the championship, whereas Sakho has real ability, but has yet to show he can deliver it. Maybe with decent coaching he will make the grade. OK it's not an inspiring Strachan kind of signing, but not a reason for sliting your wrists (yet) ttfn Richard -Original Message- From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of David Smail Sent: 03 June 2017 05:05 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: [LU] LU Sacko new deal Looks like Sacko has been signed up. I hoped the opposite would happen. He's nowhere near the mark. Is this a wise move in the absence of a manager who may (understandably) have no plans for such a mediocre player? Deals like this assist in sealing our case for keeping out of the top flight. On the other side of the coin - if everyone's happy with that, then no harm done. After all, second tier football's not so bad. Sacko must be "Over the moon" and mildly stunned at the gross stupidity of the club for signing him. Now he can continue to link up with (never fails to underperform) Doukara, who I feel the same way about. Looking good! Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] LU Sacko new deal
Looks like Sacko has been signed up. I hoped the opposite would happen. He's nowhere near the mark. Is this a wise move in the absence of a manager who may (understandably) have no plans for such a mediocre player? Deals like this assist in sealing our case for keeping out of the top flight. On the other side of the coin - if everyone's happy with that, then no harm done. After all, second tier football's not so bad. Sacko must be "Over the moon" and mildly stunned at the gross stupidity of the club for signing him. Now he can continue to link up with (never fails to underperform) Doukara, who I feel the same way about. Looking good! Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Departures from the club
Looking through the list, there appears to be am omission - no mention of Doukara. I hope things work out for him, but hope and pray it won't be at LU. He's been pretty awful. Hasn't seen a lot of action, to be fair, but enough to know he needs to be on his way. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] LU Season Tickets Part Refund?
I read that the club is preparing to keep its promise to make refunds to season ticket holders for not making the play offs. Sadly, it's a double edged sword what with the disappointment of not making the top 6 coupled with the financial loss of having to make the refunds. I'm not a season ticket holder, but I'd be interested to know how many, who are, will be accepting or applying. It's rumoured that it'll cost the club about £1M - not a huge sum in the football world, but money that could go towards strengthening the playing squad. Perhaps everyone involved will happily accept the funds back and think "Tough luck MC, you shouldn't have made the promise and now it's time to pay up" Alternatively, the money could be used, for example, to pay for a more attractive package to sign up Monk or his replacement and push for success next season. What do you think? Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Fun whilst it lasted
Here here! We're not the side for the big finishes when the chips are down and it really matters - pretty much the opposite. It's what I expected, so my grief is quite manageable. We're not yet ready to go up anyway, but so much closer. Now it's time for MC to start rustling his cheque book re refunds. Need to get rid of Doukara and Sacko - quickly! Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Let's face it - we were mauled
Lots of differing views on our 1-1 draw with Newcastle. The old adage that one goal is never enough came back to haunt the barcodes, but we may face stronger and bigger threats should we by some miracle end up in the PL. We were made to look like a poor 2nd tier side who had found its home in that league, hung on for dear life and found a moment of magic at the end. Monk is right when he says the team plays with heart, unity and for the whole match and I applaud him, but we clearly couldn't handle the "machine" of Newcastle coming at us over and over. We defended forever and a day with true grit, but it was such a one sided affair. I think Newcastle will be a top third club in the PL, but others will inflict more pressure and damage on the likes of us with our current setup although that would surely change with promotion. Do we really wish a PL existence having to suffer like that for many games? No team should have to commit 80-90 per cent of their resources to keeping the opposition at bay unless it's the last few minutes of defending a lead. Our hand was forced though and we did hold out with heroics for the most part and I'm mildly proud of that and for the working of our equaliser. I've said it before, but we looked more comfortable without possession than with it and let's face it, we could barely string 2 passes together after the first few minutes such was the pressure and presence of NU. I thought Rob G was a saviour again - our player of the season I'm beginning to think. Sacko and Doukara need to leave quickly, they regularly offer next to nothing and appear weak in attitude, stature and creativity - passengers ! Phillips also needs to get out - he's too volatile, untamed and picks up needless bookings and concedes free kicks. We might say Janson also picks up cautions, but there's normally good reason and value behind his - Phillips is a mad over muscled puppy - perhaps needs more time in the youth setup or off on loan somewhere for a while to calm down and learn the game not at the expense of LU. So, the final few games...I'm not sure we'll make the play offs with a healthy Sheffield Wednesday and Fulham becoming noticed by their form. Not that we can pick, but I'd prefer Reading or Fulham as play off opponents in the first instance. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] 7 matches left
The script is written I think. We may make playoffs but will not gain promotion. It's been a good season, the best for some years, but we're not a ready for the Premiership - sadly because of what we do on the pitch. The support, ground and facilities are all of Premiership standing. Gary Monk has done a great job and I salute him - perhaps in a season or two we can achieve it. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Non LU: Bristol City
..and we did - in a different kind of way Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Non LU: Bristol City
I haven't seen every Championship match this season by a long chalk but I doubt whether any team could have done better than City tonight. An incredible performance. Hudds have been on a high most of the season and deserve their league position, but City appeared to over run them in all areas tonight. Let's not say Hudds "didn't turn up" they couldn't perform against that style of play and tenacity. Ok, their final goal was never a pen, but even so It made me think a) Could we ever get close to doing that to a top team? b) How would we cope against that kind of mentality and skill? My observations and views are purely football based - I have no connection or favour with Bristol City, just take my hat off to a great show of football. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Wednnesday
I couldn't agree more with Rich Walker's thoughts. I can't recall feeling this down hearted after a win. People say it's all about "Grinding out results" but it's not. Our defending was last ditch sometimes and when they played through us, as they often did, it resulted in a tackle of frustration and a free kick or yellow - I found that embarrassing. How Monk can say "We defended well" We looked like the away team hanging on at full stretch much of the game. I spent considerable time deciding if we looked more uncomfortable with the ball or without it - I surmised it was too close to call. Without it we ran the high risk of being out passed and it was only SW's inability to find a killer ball or turn the screw near goal that saved us coupled with our last gasp defending. With the ball we looked pressurised and the simple passes often placed one of ours in a tight spot having to hoof a long ball straight back to them. Last ten mins we tried to keep ball but clearly couldn't. I remember not so long ago this season we were playing fast and tight passing to feet and I remember against Villa , I think it was, on a live TV game, the words "Champagne Football" used by the commentary team on one passage of our play. I think we've fallen to "bitter shandy" passing of late. Unmotivated hoofs are usually a sign of players under pressure. So it's a win, but I'm far from convinced. Our huff and puff is very admirable and fitness levels look very good but then they need to be when you're getting the run around from teams that can pass. Monk has done a great job and I salute him, this has been our best season for some time, but how long can we go on picking up points in this way when the likes of Reading and Huddersfield or even SW appear so much more composed and better equipped to deal with the raw footballing part of life in the Premiership. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Saturday
I hope not, but it's nicely set up for us to perform badly on our own back yard in a Yorkshire derby with a global audience against one of the in form teams of the moment who albeit lost the other night to our advantage. It's a big ask. Can we manage a simple pass to a player on the same side? We haven't of late! Have we something up our sleeves that we haven't shown yet? I fear not. Pessimistically optimistic. I'll take 1-1 with the others in the race dropping points too with some luck. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Leeds and plastic pitches
The plastic pitch on Sunday though was irrelevant in my opinion. If Monk had fielded our strongest team, I believe we would have won. As it was, the under 12s who hadn't played together (as it felt) hadn't much of a clue whether it had been played on turf, plastic or even ice! Perhaps it was a managerial professional foul by Monk, politely saying in disguise "We want out of this competition now" similar to Brighton and a couple of others. And just maybe, all the post match comments about it being his responsibility etc were all pre rehearsed well in advance as he had a pretty good idea of what was in store. Possibly Dallas and Doukara were included as a mark of respect and to avoid any penalties for fielding a hopelessly inadequate team as has beset some clubs. When we won 6-0 at Sutton in 1970, it appeared that Revie played pretty much a full strength team - good on him! Looks like Coventry did likewise in 1989. That of course does not make up for what happened yesterday, but it is a sign of the times I suppose. The FA Cup is being debased in favour of league progress, club status and of course, hard cash. A bit sad, but if we make the top flight, all will be forgiven and forgotten apart from the record books which I'm more than prepared to accept. Apologies, I've wandered off theme Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Normal service has been resumed
No! If you "F**k" Barnsley then you "F**k" Leeds United. Barnsley were the better team and deserved their win. They out-everythinged us and the score line flattered us. Penalty decision was a joke. They played us at our game, harrying and hassling us more than we could take. A dose of our own medicine if you like. It's not that we "didn't turn up" or "had a bad day at the office", Barnsley were better on the day and we couldn't adapt. I hope it will humble us as we've been on a good patch. It may also help to show what a huge influence Pontus is. Thankfully our superior goal difference didn't take a hammering (it could have) Monk is gracious in victory and defeat and I'm sure he'll take the good points from the game. I wonder if members and staff of Sutton United were watching? Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] 1971 FA Cup
Thought I'd get this off my chest to reduce the chances of a repeat. People of a certain vintage will recall with little prompting. 1971 FA Cup 5th Round. It was First Division "truly" Super Leeds up against 4th Division Colchester who won 3-2 on their patch. Now there's no chance of anything like that happening against high flying Cambridge - is there? Monk has got them up for this and the two division difference will be far too much for Cambridge to take. Of course! I feel better for that! Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Villa
In the first half it was clear we were witnessing a 2nd tier contest. The ball was given away by both teams regularly with sloppy unforced poor passing much of the time. We were guilty of that more than Villa and resorted to our old style hoofing with long passes - I thought Monk had changed us into a passing team? It is though, in my view, the mild panic tactics of a team that are being pressured and outplayed and in some ways are more comfortable without the ball than with it. We could barely get out of our own half for spells without any great threat from Villa. They harried us in our own half which seemed part of the reason, we did not do that to them - perhaps that was part of the master plan to conserve energy?. After 20 minutes, I couldn't see anything else than a Villa win, it was a matter of time. In the 2nd half we were a different team and the close, tight and short passing regime seemed to be restored allowing us to put some pressure on Villa and ultimately, the goals and win. We appear not to get down hearted when we are playing badly and keep the faith. This is a huge attribute that I hope we don't need to rely on too often. Villa have been on a good run recently and I'm relieved we survived the first half when we were out-passed much of the time and relied on a pretty solid defence. So up to 4th which is pretty good, but I have grave concerns that some teams like Villa can upset our style and force us into an unrehearsed plan B. After all, it's the team that adapts best to the opposition that usually rules the roost. I'm not Rob Green fan and would always select Silvestri instead, but hats off to him today, he was solid and made some good saves. I thought Luke Ayling deserves a special mention too, he was everywhere! Isn't it strange to think that our Anfield performance gained us so much credit and we lost and against Villa we turned it round and won. Maybe we just couldn't adapt to Liverpool's speed and style but, in the end, got the measure of Villa. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Newcastle and Curry Houses
2-3 (Sadly) Memories of Jabba's prediction League on this list. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Yikes - we're in top 6
If the world stops now at 1637 with Wood's goal, we made the play-offs! Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Roofe
Maybe a bit of the built in and programmed despondency that afflicts all normal and well balanced LU fans showing through. I agree that our defence is stronger with the likes of Jansson. I also like our current passing style of play which is a good sign. We are in the right league for now - no more of this "Getting us where we need to be" nonsense. Our task is to remain in this league until we can get out of it with some guile and panache (a la Swansea) and earn the right to be a premier league club and stand half a chance of staying there. From a manager's and owner's point of view though, I appreciate that this take would never ring true as the whole point of a league campaign is to achieve promotion or win the league. In our heart of hearts though, I think promotion is pie in the sky for most folk and I'd prefer to build a team ready for promotion that can take the added strain of the top flight. Dave -Original Message- From: Richard Walker [mailto:richleed...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: 23 October 2016 10:08 To: David Smail Cc: Alec McQueen; leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Roofe I don't think we are however if you look at the teams in the play off positions (Wednesday) there's nothing to be afraid of. I think our defence now has to be one of the best in the division which is always going to give us a chance in games now. I think we need Bridcutt back and and another strong midfielder in January plus another striker. I think Viera is a prospect. > On 23 Oct 2016, at 08:14, David Smail <dsm...@dsmail.plus.com> wrote: > > You're right. We're not, but accumulating a few more points at this > stage of the season may ease the relegation pressure in May. It's a > day trip to mid table safety we're seeing at the moment. > > Dave > > > > -Original Message- > From: Alec McQueen [mailto:alec...@gmail.com] > Sent: 22 October 2016 23:38 > To: David Smail > Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org > Subject: Re: [LU] Roofe > > Nosebleed time. We aren't good enough to be pressing for a play off > place, are we? > > Cheers > Alec > >> On 23 Oct 2016, at 3:36 AM, David Smail <dsm...@dsmail.plus.com> wrote: >> >> Glad to see Roofe with his first goal. Coming up two divisions where >> he was scoring so freely must have been quite a shock to his system. >> Hopefully a confidence booster, but most importantly, a win and up to >> 10th in the league after a brief moment in 8th spot. >> >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Leedslist mailing list >> Info and options: >> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org >> >> >> MARCHING ON TOGETHER > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Roofe
You're right. We're not, but accumulating a few more points at this stage of the season may ease the relegation pressure in May. It's a day trip to mid table safety we're seeing at the moment. Dave -Original Message- From: Alec McQueen [mailto:alec...@gmail.com] Sent: 22 October 2016 23:38 To: David Smail Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Roofe Nosebleed time. We aren't good enough to be pressing for a play off place, are we? Cheers Alec > On 23 Oct 2016, at 3:36 AM, David Smail <dsm...@dsmail.plus.com> wrote: > > Glad to see Roofe with his first goal. Coming up two divisions where > he was scoring so freely must have been quite a shock to his system. > Hopefully a confidence booster, but most importantly, a win and up to > 10th in the league after a brief moment in 8th spot. > > > > Dave > > > > > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Roofe
Glad to see Roofe with his first goal. Coming up two divisions where he was scoring so freely must have been quite a shock to his system. Hopefully a confidence booster, but most importantly, a win and up to 10th in the league after a brief moment in 8th spot. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Faller at the first...
So much for "Fortress Elland Road" The expression "Getting us back where we need to be" is used a lot at LU and I always questioned it on the grounds that we are already where we needed to be - right in the middle of England's second footballing tier (at best) Early signs appear to start me questioning again. Perhaps League One is our true home for now? I seem to recall more wins and a better feel all round. Given that MC will not tolerate poor results for long and Monk may be disposed with, another manager will only serve to further disruption and our demise. I suppose it's early days yet, but we're all so used to seeing the team and club struggle, it's hard to snap out of and a grim reality is best kept close to mind. As ever though, a few good shows and wins could always change that. At least some season ticket holders have a little financial bonus if terms of purchase are not met. Dave (finding it hard to "snap out" of our glory days) I have explored the view of the club disbanding and we become supporters of the former Leeds United. In some ways that would be so much easier. Now there's a thought ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Goals change games
Good point. I loathe all the pre game stats about the last time the teams met and some venues not happy hunting grounds etc etc. Each game is a one off and stands on its own feet. I only saw the Bolton highlights, but that too looked like a game we could have easily lost. More importantly though, I like the way Evans has the team playing - everyone is not a fan of his style, but it's the best we've had for some time. Even when we lose, I think it's still the right approach. Sometimes it doesn't look like Leeds United without all the panic hoofs. Dave PS Sorry list, replying to messages on the Mail Archive appears to put messages out of order (unless anyone can advise?) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Boro and Evans
I watched on TV and thought the game was very entertaining. Evans has turned us into a passing side and the long hoofs that we have seen for so long seem to have gone away. I applaud Evans for this and we appear to have a side that is shaping up well. We can't score nearly enough, of course, but that is known and I'm sure Evans will address that given time and money (ahem!) It was a strong team performance against a good Boro side just gagging to win to reclaim top slot. I want to mention by name only two players. Firstly Antenucci, who I like. It wasn't his game and he was kept pretty quiet, possibly as he contemplates the imminent birth of his child as Evans suggested? Also, Bellusci, who I'm not a fan of. He's usually a liability , but had a great game and played a big part in keeping Boro out. Credit where it's due. Watford up next. I can't help thinking that this will be the most unreported tie of the round. Watford expected to win, but if we do, it will hardly be a giant killing feat. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Forest
What a game! We are no longer a hoof and hope team - thank Steve Evans for that. However, even with our embarrassingly high percentage of possession, we couldn't make anything of it, almost making ourselves look bereft of ideas and creativity and played into Forest's hands according to Freedman. Their goal was reported as a mix up in the Leeds defence - not so! It was down to one player - namely, Bellusci. Had he stayed on his feet and waited for the ball to bounce he would have had a so much better chance of defending it. Instead, he elected to commit himself, miss the ball and end up on his bum, exposing, if not embarrassing his keeper for a tap in. Then later, piling in to a scuffle and getting booked. if we are going to get anywhere near the play offs, it has to be without him. I know Evans says that he picks the team, but I wonder if Celino has any influence behind closed doors? If not, then why does Evans play him? Bamba needs to return! All in all, we're an improved side but I can't help thinking why the likes of Antenucci doesn't start - what a difference he made albeit missing what looked like an easy chance to win it. Who wouldn't take an away point though from an in form home team. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Manager is irrelevant
It doesn't really matter who we wheel in as the next manager, I think we are a outfit with little direction getting back to "Where we need to be" as everyone keeps saying - League One. We can strive for Championship status when we're fit and ready to live there - currently, we are not. Life was better in League One I seem to recall winning more matches and morale was higher. What's so bad about that? Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] 1-1 Evans Out
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[LU] NON LU CH5 Football League Tonight
What a cheap mess of a presentation. Can't be doing with all this sycophantic studio audience (a la Top Gear) stuff. Thankfully, it's what recording programmes is all about with skipping through all the meaningless twaddle and adverts. The only good thing about it is that we no longer have to suffer Steve Claridge. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] LU Edgar Cani
Of course he can Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] LU List down?
Is the list down or has nobody been sufficiently inspired to comment on the Bolton game? Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Blackburn. Quick report.
Watched this on a www single camera dodgy feed. Both teams playing the same style. Fast and tight passing - great to watch, especially for us. Hardly a hoof in sight. Not a huge amount of goal mouth stuff but entertaining none the less. Our goal came from half cleared corner - still anyone's game at that point. 2nd half we slowed down and seemed to lose direction urgency and drive. Blackburn carried on as first half and were more likely to score. Their equaliser came from disaster in our defence. Keeper and defender couldn't decide who should clear a ball into the box and in the end neither did allowing speculative striker a tap in. (Head in hands stuff) After that we woke up again and the match carried on pretty much as first half. We hit a post on a counter, but they were given a pen from what looked like a dive - I saw no replay, but gut reaction was a dive - ref gave it. Multi camera coverage will show what truly happened but we'll have to wait for that. Frantic finish with us on top and them down to 10, but that's how it ended. I felt robbed as I was proud of how the team played and performed and Blackburn must know they were lucky to win this. Draw would have been a fair outcome A great game to watch, both teams deserve a standing ovation but very down hearted we walk away with nothing. Still, very very positive style of play. Neil Redfearn, I approve! Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] From my pals on the Forest List
Clocks go back tonight, so if Leeds appointed a new manager at 1.30 am, they could actually sack him half an hour before he started. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] LUTV on iPhone
I can barely take the pictures let alone the commentary. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] LU MK Dons
What a performance - regardless of opposition - everything that we are NOT Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] New \Coach\?
Oh please no, not Gary Mac again. Yes, he has a long association with the club but pretty much failed last time as manager and nobody else much of note seems to have wanted him. One name stands out from the crowd for meDi Matteo!. C'mon Celino, hire Italian blood with a little proven class or at least somebody who's fluent in English to get through to some of our knuckle headed playing staff. Dave So Cellino is supposedly meeting three English managers this week, I see that Gary Mac has moved to 2/1 to be the new manager/coach whatever Cellino is going to call the position. Top four are Festa (Not English), Gary Mac, Dave who Hockaday, and Chris Hughton. Discuss... ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] New \Coach\?
and did McDermott's face fit? Famous 15 second goal? I have no recall! Hey ho - all very subjective. I still stick with Di Matteo - I like his style. Dave -Original Message- From: Richard Walker [mailto:richleed...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: 07 June 2014 20:10 To: David Smail Cc: jeremyadam...@hotmail.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] New \Coach\? Di Matteo ? Do you think ? Nah. He's a little ratboy, famous for his 15 second goal at Wembley against Boro. Face wouldn't fit at Leeds. Sent from my iPad On 7 Jun 2014, at 20:03, David Smail dsm...@dsmail.plus.com wrote: Oh please no, not Gary Mac again. Yes, he has a long association with the club but pretty much failed last time as manager and nobody else much of note seems to have wanted him. One name stands out from the crowd for meDi Matteo!. C'mon Celino, hire Italian blood with a little proven class or at least somebody who's fluent in English to get through to some of our knuckle headed playing staff. Dave So Cellino is supposedly meeting three English managers this week, I see that Gary Mac has moved to 2/1 to be the new manager/coach whatever Cellino is going to call the position. Top four are Festa (Not English), Gary Mac, Dave who Hockaday, and Chris Hughton. Discuss... ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Gary Mac
Yes men? Redfearn seems anything but! He has stated several times that he wants to remain in the youth / development side of things and unwillingly stands in as boss when there's nobody else. Have we still got an Academy? Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Satdi
Almost a dead cert that Birmingham win. Their luck and losing streak has to end sometime - so why not against us? Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Full match report.
And people pay good money to watch it, knowing what's going to happen. Are the home faithful going soft in the head? Perhaps just seeing out their season tickets. Worse than that, this is the path that we will now follow, what with the beleaguered BMcD safely at the helm of a sinking ship, his job quite secure. He can't see the harm that he's doing by remaining (or perhaps he can but taking the money...erm, what money?) He seems baffled by how badly his teams perform and puts far too much blame on the ownership questions. His job is to protect and shield the playing staff from all this and focus on the football. The players may feel a bit miffed about being paid late (or maybe not at all) but they are pros (aren't they) and should be able to rise above that for 90 minutes once or twice a week. Maybe BMcD feels obliged not to leave us in our time of need, but I believe that if he resigned tomorrow and the ever reluctant Neil Redfern took the reins to see the season out, then we would stand a better chance of avoiding relegation. GFH of course have no path to dismissing him as that would cost. I wonder if their board even discuss the possibility? There we are then, totally stuffed! We could simply opt to go out of business, wind it all up and shut shop. That would be interesting and provide more entertainment than any football being attempted and would certainly put an end to it all. But no, we'll take another 8 years or so in league one again. Not feeling too positive at this stage! Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
