Re: [LU] Whatsapp Group

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

Eh……
Nick


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On Sunday, May 19, 2024, 7:18 AM, Graham White via Leedslist 
 wrote:

Hi All

I joined the WA group back when it was first set up, but had to come off 
because of the volume of messages.  What´s the traffic like now?  Has it 
settled down a bit?  Would like to go back on if it´s not going to swamp my 
phone!

Cheers

Graham White

Mobile (Spain): (0034) 628 13 82 47
    On Saturday, 18 May 2024 at 15:28:42 CEST, Richard Naef 
 wrote:  
 
 OK, I can add people, so just email your mobile nr and I'll do the necessary.

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Boocock 

Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2024 2:07:41 PM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: [LU] Whatsapp Group

Can someone who understands the dark arts of Whatsapp please post the
joining details here on the list as a number of listers would like to
join in your jolly banter (ie not me guv!)

Cheers

Betty (Listowningly)

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Re: [LU] Wembley Box.

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

Really wish I could but having a 60th bash the day before and can’t get over in 
time. Have a great time!
Nick


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On Saturday, May 18, 2024, 7:31 AM, Mick Robinson (Gmail) 
 wrote:

I would be interested (2 people)

Regards

Mick


> On 18 May 2024, at 11:10, Dave Tomlinson  wrote:
> 
> I would be interested, 2 tickets please
> 
> Dave Tomlinson
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Walker 
> via Leedslist 
> Sent: 18 May 2024 11:05
> To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) ; Richard Naef 
> 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Wembley Box.
> 
> Interesting. Me and mate having been looking at Club Wembley packages (£499) 
> - similar thing but not in a box.
> It's a bit weird though cos you have to put in an Enquiry and they say they 
> will contact you withing 1-2 business working days so expecting Monday.
> Anyone done Club Wembley before  ?
> 
>    On Saturday 18 May 2024 at 10:51:57 BST, Richard Naef 
> wrote:
> 
> A few of us Boomers on the WhatsApp list are thinking of getting a box as 
> tickets seem unlikely to be an option.  It's £599 each - anyone on here want 
> to waste their kids inheritance and join us.  Free food and Drink and flunkys 
> included.
> 
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Re: [LU] Sunderland

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

Brilliant post.
Nick


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On Thursday, April 11, 2024, 12:52 PM, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:

I think Farke’s team set up tells us one thing, and that is the players are 
knackered. He tried to manage that by being ultra cautious, limiting the 
running etc - yes, it was dull, but we’ve had other games like this too. Of 
course Sunderland did their job well, the ref was a wildcard no-one could have 
predicted, and 45 minutes of effort weren’t enough! 

I think this was the tactic - I’m sure other managers will see it too, but 
hopefully we’ll be in full-on assault mode on Saturday and Blackburn will wilt 
under it? 


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> On 11 Apr 2024, at 17:04, Simon McNally via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> I agree Dave.
> I’m usually critical but I don’t think you can find fault overall with DF 
> this season.
> I too was expecting a miserable season but it’s been the best one since 
> Bielsa.
> I think generally he doesn’t like to make early subs . I heard an interview 
> with him where he said one of the ways he felt he’d improved as a coach was 
> not making rushed decisions, like changing things too early.
> I’m not convinced by the wisdom of playing an out of form Bamford, or playing 
> some really jaded looking players but it’s this strategy that’s got us where 
> we are.
> Personally I’d start Piroe for Rutter, Gnonto for James and Joseph for 
> Bamford but I’d be very surprised if he makes that many changes.
> Still all to play for and Ipswich and Leicester are feeling the pressure too.
> 
> S
> 
> Sent from Outlook for iOS
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of nattan--- via 
> Leedslist 
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2024 4:30:25 PM
> To: leeds list 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Sunderland
> 
> 2 things can be true at the same time.DF is a proven manager at this level, 
> he has turned around a sinking ship, and given us a season miles better than 
> we  could have foreseen or even hoped.  I have just won a few quid ( for 
> charity) off my match going son since he bet me in August that we would not 
> finish top 6  ( play offs at least) and , largely down to DF we  achieved it 
> with 6 games to go .At the same time we were awful on Tuesday,  he may have 
> got his team selection wrong , perservering with Bamford ( and i am a big fan 
> of his) who is in a slump instead of giving Piroe or Josep a start. Whatever 
> the arguments there, i think the vast majority think he should have made a 
> number of subs a lot earlier and he should have had the players showing more 
> urgency in getting the ball forward. We did not manage a shot on target all 
> game at home v a lower middle team with nothing at stake, and that was no 
> where near good enough .Of course being given ( and scoring) a nailed on pen 
> or getting a goal in the ( what should have been ) 5th or 6th minute of time 
> added on would have given everything a different complexion. But we didn't 
> and we dropped 2 points. So we are entitled to criiticise ( on here - i  
> hated hearing boos in the stadium at the end) and say that DF got it wrong 
> Hopefully we will put things right over the next 4 games and Tuesday will be 
> consigned to the bin and thought of the same as Barnsley under Wilko or Wigan 
> (2nd time) under Bielsa , a bad day that counted for nothing in the end
> Dave
>    On Thursday, 11 April 2024 at 12:43:59 BST, Andy Clayton 
> wrote:
> 
> I'm firmly in Paul's camp on this one.
> 
> Did any of you seriously in preseason or while the transfer window was open
> expect that we'd do as well as we have so far?
> 
> I certainly didn't! I was expecting a season of rebuilding and was hopeful
> of the play offs at a push.
> 
> Considering the turmoil around the takeover, the delay in appointing Farke,
> the mess that Orta/Radz had left behind, the exodus of (our best?) players
> wanting to leave, or worse still, actually leaving,do I need go on?
> 
> How many of us are glad that Georginio was/was made to look crap at the end
> of last season. If he'd ended last season like he played at the back end of
> last year, I'm sure he'd have been snapped up too.
> 
> In Farke I trust.
> 
> This is his team, he sees them every day, he knows them inside out, their
> fitness level, what's going on at home (how many have recently become
> fathers? Broken sleep much?), their mental state etc. If he decides to play
> or not play anyone, then I trust in the bigger picture. He knows what he's
> doing. We don't - at least I don't think any of us are successful Football
> Managers?
> 
> It's not like he's won promotion to the premiership twice now, is it? I
> mean.
> 
> Marching on Together
> 
> Andy C
> 
>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 22:29, Damian WALSH 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Du calme, du calme
>> 
>> I've got a cigarette paper but I don't think that I can get it between any
>> of us - even if you're all (me included) saying wildly different things.
>> 
>> To 

Re: [LU] Millwall

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Absolutely agree. VAR is an abomination.
Nick (2)
On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 07:11:56 AM EDT, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
 wrote:  
 
 
…all of which has just reminded me of the best reason not to go up - fucking 
VAR. I have not missed it for one second this season. Not even that ridiculous 
decision.

(Of course I want to go up)

Nick


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> On 18 Mar 2024, at 11:00, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:
> 
> Thanks Dave, agree with that.
> 
> The non-penalty was difficult to see from the Kop, but when you see the 
> replay and the ref’s positioning - which was good - it is impossible to 
> understand how he didn’t give it.
> 
> Having then let play run until they got a free kick on the edge of our box, 
> he then gave the softest offside to halt their attack, once the free kick was 
> taken.
> 
> It was absurd.
> 
> Also understand that Ayling was in The Peacock buying beers …
> 
> Nick
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 18 Mar 2024, at 10:20, nattan--- via Leedslist  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The " no-one likes us" derby as some repoter called jt, ended as it should 
>> with 3pts and us " top top top of the league"
>> It was a bitter sweet day for me, arrived in the pub to the news that my all 
>> time musical hero Steve Harley had died , but left Leeds train station with 
>> us no1
>> This was a game that on paper we should have won, and we all knew the type 
>> of game it would be, the typical championship grind it out v a physical time 
>> wasting team who had come to spoil not entertain.  We needed to make sure we 
>> stood up to them at corners and give them nothing , and then take at least 
>> one of the chances that would inevitably come our way.
>> Thats exactly how it unfolded. I dont recall them creating a single decent 
>> chance, a couple of corners gave some cause for concern,  and Mes had a 
>> couple of regulation saved to make , but this was as straightforward as it 
>> gets.
>> We controlled things from start to finish,  though at 1-0 things are always 
>> going to be a bit nervy but our defence is rock solid so no real panic.
>> Our goals were great - the first a nice ball by Georginio,  well controlled 
>> at pace by Gnonto who powered on and unleashed a thunderbolt into the corner 
>> of the net, no stopping those and 2 in 2 for the prodigal son.  Whilst willy 
>> is making the most of things, his mate Cree is having a hard time,  nothing 
>> quite working - he has gone 5 or 6 now with no goals or assists.  He came 
>> close at the end of the first half with his trademark cutting inside and 
>> bending his shot into the far corner, unfortunately,  and typical at the 
>> moment the keeper pulled off a great save.
>> Second half they made the first quadruple sub ive ever seen but to no avail, 
>>  we replaced Gnonto with the equally good Dan James and he soon got our 
>> second,  the decisive goal and the one that takes us top. He made a meal of 
>> it, Georginio with  more magic and his 2nd assist,  pulled it back and all 
>> DJ had to do was fire home. Instead he trapped the ball,  took another touch 
>> to send the defender the wrong way and fired home through a defender and the 
>> keeper, strange way to do it but it worked.
>> We then hit the post twice, first Georginio having his first attempt saved 
>> chased the ball down and his cut back bounced off the keeper onto the post. 
>> In  the dying minutes DJ let fly with another shot and it hit the post and 
>> went wide.
>> So a fairly comfortable and basic championship win, but a vital one. Now the 
>> pressure is on us to stay there
>> Final comment, we had a huge shout for a penalty and probably second yellow 
>> for them when Roden was flattened,  but i did not really see it.
>> DaveRIP STEVE HARLEY
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Re: [LU] Luke Ayling

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

沈


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On Wednesday, January 10, 2024, 6:40 AM, nattan--- via Leedslist 
 wrote:

It looks as if   'Bill'  is on his way to middlesborough   ,if so, he goes with 
my best wishes He has been a brilliant servant for us - given how little we 
paid for him a bargain right up there with Bobby Collins and Gordon 
Strachan.His goal and celebrations v Huddersfield in the last game before covid 
is legendary and i have watched it 100 times - putting a smile in my face every 
time
Legend is a much overused term in modern football but Luke Ayling must be on 
the verge of earning such an accolade,  his post Forest speech was a real 
rallying cry and he was very much integral to Bielsaball.Like Kilch , Pablo and 
Berardi he will be remembered fondly and always welcome back at ER 
So goobye Luke and thanks for the many memories 
Dave 
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Re: [LU] First list meet - April 1992

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

Only Adelphi pre-game I ever went to was against Wimbledon a dire 1-1 but I got 
picked out the crowd to take penalties at ht. Fucked those up due to earlier 
Adelphi meet. 
Nick


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On Tuesday, January 9, 2024, 12:40 PM, James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via Leedslist 
 wrote:

Lads,

I went to that Chelsea game in April 1992 (Cantona, 3-0) and met the personages 
of Paul Cadd, Jon Blythe and Tim Sherlock at The Imperial, up the road from 
Elland Road, that morning.

This was the first known instance of an international list meet that involved 
only electronic communication as an organising mechnism, namely the DECnotes 
messaging forum that Digital Equipment Corporation/DEC had in place at the 
time?  I was/am in Ireland, Tim was/is in the Nrtherlands and the other two 
lads in the UK.

There is a photo extant from that list meet but I cannot put it to hand at 
present!

James.
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Re: [LU] People on vax.ox.ac.uk t-shirt

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

Can’t really remember when I joined I think it was early  90s when I went to 
Reading Uni as a not so mature student. 91?Nick


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On Tuesday, January 9, 2024, 11:18 AM, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:

When was the leedslist set up? I ‘think’ my first job in the British Library 
with a PC was around 1991/92 - those were the days when, if you were in the 
Civil Service you had to go to Whitehall to do an aptitude test - 2 of us went 
down, and I was pretty pleased at 64% - the other guy got 96%, the highest the 
Civil Service had seen I believe (he went into our IT dept). I wish I could 
remember when I started meeting listers - obviously Adelphi meets were a thing 
for us before the list, but as for the chronology??

Any clue anyone? Was Betty not an original vax’er?


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> On 9 Jan 2024, at 15:11, Ted  wrote:
> 
> I think I must have joined the year after this, as I had been a lister a
> bit before the MOALM, before the Villa debacle. 
> 
> Ted H
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, 9 Jan 2024, 14:41 James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via Leedslist, <
>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Folks,
>> All 78 are listed below with their original email from 30 years ago...
>> Farhad Ayrom  farhada@metasw.comCraig Bottomley  c...@crosfield.co.ukRupert
>> Brown  rupe...@morgan.com (rupe...@is.morgan.com)Lynn Burke
>> lburke@infi.netGavin Burnage  gburn...@natcorp.ox.ac.ukPaul Cadd
>> c...@welsws.enet.dec.comVincent Campbell  ncampv@hasler.ascom.chMick
>> Carney  mcarney@vax2.concordia.caAndy Colthorpe
>> colthorp...@ghob00.dnet.bp.comSimon Cunningham
>> etls...@etlxd20.ericsson.se (etls...@etlxdmx.ericsson.se)Simon Cushing
>> cush...@bcf.usc.eduStephen Davies  step...@aixssc.uk.ibm.comJames Doody
>> jdo...@vax1.may.ieAndy Dyson  a.dy...@bradford.ac.ukPetter Edman
>> petter.edman@eua.ericsson.seCarl Erik  carl-erik.wasb...@mi.uib.noJustin
>> Ewards  justin.edwa...@lib.monash.edu.auNadim Farajalla
>> hydro...@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu (hydro...@hellcat.ecn.uoknor.edu)Andy
>> Farmery  a...@pf.adied.oz.auMika Galkin  galkin@cc.helsinki.fiPhil
>> Geldard  mho4...@derby.ac.uk (ccz...@ccn1.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk)Tim
>> Geldard  scst...@csc.liv.ac.uk (t...@csc.liv.ac.uk)Roger Goodair
>> r.good...@bradford.ac.ukAkbar Hakim  ak...@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sgHalvard
>> Halvorsen halvard.halvorsen@trd.sdata.noAdrian Harper
>> chm3...@arts-01.novell.leeds.ac.ukTim Harper
>> thar...@vmprofs.estec.esa.nlSimon Hart  s...@unix.york.ac.ukPeter Hicks
>> pe...@goliath.unisys.co.nzJoanne Horn  joan...@cns-howden.co.ukKevin
>> Hudson  khudson@us.oracle.comMark Humphries  m...@newton.npl.co.uk (
>> m...@newton.national-physical-lab.co.uk)Shafiq Jamani
>> jama...@peking.enet.dec.comTim Kennedy  tim.kenn...@bj.co.ukChris
>> Kimball  kimball@aug3.augsburg.eduAndy King  ak...@dcs.warwick.ac.ukDavid
>> Komadina  po...@tartarus.uwa.edu.auCharles Lawrence
>> c...@vax.ox.ac.ukStuart Lee  stu...@vax.ox.ac.ukVincent Lee
>> vince...@iti.gov.sgKev Lewis  k...@inf.rl.ac.ukMark Lowe
>> m.p.l...@ncl.ac.uk (l...@chem.ubc.ca)Harbinder Luddu
>> hslu...@acdm.sait.ab.caJames Lundon  jlun...@xstacy.enet.dec.comRichard
>> Manning  mannin...@rcwusr.bp.comTerry McAndrew  
>> t...@chb.novell.leeds.ac.ukColin
>> McDonald  bsc...@dcs.napier.ac.ukDeclan McMahon
>> declan@vulcan.mentec.ieTom Meleady  mele...@unixg.ubc.caRick Morrell
>> morrell@marvin.internet.comRoger Mortimer  ro...@ram.webo.dg.comMandy
>> Murrel  etlmyml@etlxd20.ericsson.seSunil Nagpal  s.nag...@bnr.co.uk (
>> s...@roke.co.uk)Brian Page  b.p...@bradford.ac.ukBrian Ragunathan
>> b.l.ragunat...@qmw.co.ukChris Rainford  c.c.rainf...@ss1.bath.ac.ukDarren
>> Richards  ric...@essex.ac.ukChris Robey  c...@ib.rl.ac.ukGlynn Robinson
>> robin...@noodle.med.yale.eduDale Rowley  rowl...@cs.man.ac.ukSimon
>> Rutter  rutter@amgen.comJas Sandhu  san...@seas.gwu.eduKristy Sandwell
>> k...@newton.npl.co.uk (k...@newton.national-physical-lab.co.uk)Mark Smith
>> m.h.sm...@durham.ac.ukAlan Stacey  sta...@welclu.enet.dec.comNeil
>> Summersall  n.summers...@bradford.ac.ukKnut Svenes  knut.svenes@ffi.noSean
>> Sweeney  sta3n...@lucs-03.novell.leeds.ac.ukJoo Tan  t...@cis.ksu.eduAdrian
>> Thomson  a.thom...@nexor.co.ukMads Tofte  mtjen...@nbivax.nbi.dkAnthony
>> Waller  p85...@vm.biu.ac.ilSteve Walsh  s.r.j.wa...@newcastle.co.ukJohn
>> Wangermann  wangermn@phoenix.princeton.eduSimon Webb
>> si...@si.fi.ameslab.govRichard Williamson  r.m.william...@newcastle.co.ukAdam
>> Woodhall  a.p.woodh...@newcastle.ac.ukJamil  s...@generics.co.uk (
>> s...@metagen.co.uk)
>> James.
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Re: [LU] Super Dave.

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

While I have met very few of you I am still here!
Nick


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On Monday, January 8, 2024, 7:42 PM, Graham White via Leedslist 
 wrote:

How many of the old vax.ox.ac gang are still with us?
MOT
Graham WhiteMobile (Spain): (0034) 628 13 82 47
The court is filled with splendour.The fields are full of weeds.The granaries 
are empty.The powerful wear costly clothing,Carry sharp swords,Pamper 
themselves with lavish food and drink,And possess riches in extravagance.These 
are not princes and lords.They are robber barons.
Lao Tse 

    On Monday, 8 January 2024 at 13:23:29 CET, Nick Allen 
 wrote:  
 
 Definitely in my thoughts, Scott.

Nick

> On 8 Jan 2024, at 11:17, Damian WALSH  wrote:
> 
> I'd like to join you in that memory if I may.
> 
> With thoughts also for Guy and the other listers who are no longer with
> us
> 
> Damian
> 
> Le lun. 8 janv. 2024 à 12:15, Scott1cairns1  a
> écrit :
> 
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Re: [LU] Fwd: VPN

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

I use NordVPN and have been fine with it.
Nick


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On Thursday, January 4, 2024, 3:20 PM, John Boocock  wrote:

Ha ha, I always remember a guy from HIDB saying it means 'I still don't know' 
when asked what ISDN was for

On 4 January 2024 18:18:47 GMT, Andy Clayton wrote:

Just to make everyone feel really old, ISDN is being phased out...


Mind you, Openreach think they'll have an IP network by the end of 2025, so I 
wouldn't be so sure.

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Re: [LU] VPN

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

I see no reason why not. I did VPN into ESPN once while in the UK to watch with 
my espn account. 
Nick


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On Wednesday, January 3, 2024, 4:08 PM, nattan--- via Leedslist 
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It’s probably been asked ( and answered) before but when we are on LUTV for 
everywhere except UK and Ireland is it possible to use a VPN and fool the 
system into thinking I am somewhere abroad ?Cheers Dave 
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Re: [LU] Rotherham Game

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Totally agree. It is very frustrating.
Nick
On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 05:06:56 PM EST, Paul Cundell 
 wrote:  
 
 I think we're in danger of very quickly forgetting how badly we were shipping 
goals pre-Farke.
On Sat, 25 Nov 2023, 21:46 Nicholas Armit via Leedslist,  
wrote:

 Totally agree! It is very frustrating.
Nick
    On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 10:55:15 AM EST, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:  

 I think this insistence on re-setting the entire team every time we get 
possession, by playing it back to Cooper/Rodon/Meslier cripples one of our key 
strengths - our attacking speed. I would definitely have Gray in the middle, 
and I hope Farke is beginning to see that this ultra- cautious defensive set up 
is costing us points? There’s zero point in having 80% possession if 90% of 
that is within 30 yards of our goal! 



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> On 25 Nov 2023, at 13:09, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Last night showed to me how much we need the creative midfield player to
> turn promising positions into the type of chances that even our strikers
> can’t miss.  Then pick whichever of Rutter, Piroe and Bamford looks like
> they may eventually score a goal. None of them does at the moment. Bamford
> in particular has missed the ball, missed a penalty and wandered offside in
> his last 3 significant contributions.
> 
> I was looking forward to seeing Firpo last night to give the team an
> overlapping option down the left. Sadly it looks like his attacking,
> defending, desire and reliability to keep possession are lacking even at
> this level.
> 
> Despite that Leeds are still probably 5 points ahead of where I expected
> them
> to be, considering the state of the squad when Farke came in, and at the
> end of the transfer window.
> 
> KOT
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Re: [LU] Rotherham Game

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Totally agree! It is very frustrating.
Nick
On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 10:55:15 AM EST, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 I think this insistence on re-setting the entire team every time we get 
possession, by playing it back to Cooper/Rodon/Meslier cripples one of our key 
strengths - our attacking speed. I would definitely have Gray in the middle, 
and I hope Farke is beginning to see that this ultra- cautious defensive set up 
is costing us points? There’s zero point in having 80% possession if 90% of 
that is within 30 yards of our goal! 



Sent from my iPad

> On 25 Nov 2023, at 13:09, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Last night showed to me how much we need the creative midfield player to
> turn promising positions into the type of chances that even our strikers
> can’t miss.  Then pick whichever of Rutter, Piroe and Bamford looks like
> they may eventually score a goal. None of them does at the moment. Bamford
> in particular has missed the ball, missed a penalty and wandered offside in
> his last 3 significant contributions.
> 
> I was looking forward to seeing Firpo last night to give the team an
> overlapping option down the left. Sadly it looks like his attacking,
> defending, desire and reliability to keep possession are lacking even at
> this level.
> 
> Despite that Leeds are still probably 5 points ahead of where I expected
> them
> to be, considering the state of the squad when Farke came in, and at the
> end of the transfer window.
> 
> KOT
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Re: [LU] Return to Yesteryear

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 I meant John of course
On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 04:23:46 PM EDT, Jon Abbott 
 wrote:  
 
 Surely after a night at the opera & a day at the races they should have 
arranged for a kiss to appear in a Sunday red top, followed by a visit to 
a jazz club...


Anyway...enjoy the protracted and deserved celebrations. Maybe I'll manage to 
catch up with you in m imminent retirement.

jabba

From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Boocock 

Sent: 02 September 2023 09:43
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: [LU] Return to Yesteryear

As part of my 70th Birthday year celebrations (my family have insisted
it is a long drawn out affair - a bit like my life to be honest) I
started my celebrations in July when I was taken to the opera, since
then I have had a day at the races and next up is a trip to SOTG (also
as part of the thankgodthetransferwindowisclosed celebrations).

The choice of the Wendies was purely random but it means I get fed and
watered in the Centenary Pavilion and then have a mild seizure climbing
up to block L in the MNES. By about 6.00pm I hope to be in Whitelocks
before being whisked away back to the Land of the Sad Wartin' Geordies
(LOTSWG).

I haven't actually reached the actual birthday yet, but if I do it will
be a wonder after all the excitement of recent days. I will attempt my
first match report in over one million years if I get as far as Sunday
without a visit to the LGI or Jimmys.

Betty

P.S. I recommend the Opera at Covent Garden if only for the Coach and
Horses just down the road which served 'the best pint of Guinness in
London'.


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Re: [LU] Return to Yesteryear

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Happy expected Birthday Jon. Have been to the Coach and Horses many times 
being suverner.
Nick
On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 04:23:46 PM EDT, Jon Abbott 
 wrote:  
 
 Surely after a night at the opera & a day at the races they should have 
arranged for a kiss to appear in a Sunday red top, followed by a visit to 
a jazz club...


Anyway...enjoy the protracted and deserved celebrations. Maybe I'll manage to 
catch up with you in m imminent retirement.

jabba

From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Boocock 

Sent: 02 September 2023 09:43
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: [LU] Return to Yesteryear

As part of my 70th Birthday year celebrations (my family have insisted
it is a long drawn out affair - a bit like my life to be honest) I
started my celebrations in July when I was taken to the opera, since
then I have had a day at the races and next up is a trip to SOTG (also
as part of the thankgodthetransferwindowisclosed celebrations).

The choice of the Wendies was purely random but it means I get fed and
watered in the Centenary Pavilion and then have a mild seizure climbing
up to block L in the MNES. By about 6.00pm I hope to be in Whitelocks
before being whisked away back to the Land of the Sad Wartin' Geordies
(LOTSWG).

I haven't actually reached the actual birthday yet, but if I do it will
be a wonder after all the excitement of recent days. I will attempt my
first match report in over one million years if I get as far as Sunday
without a visit to the LGI or Jimmys.

Betty

P.S. I recommend the Opera at Covent Garden if only for the Coach and
Horses just down the road which served 'the best pint of Guinness in
London'.


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Re: [LU] Defenders

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Not convinced by Drameh at all


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On Wednesday, August 9, 2023, 7:03 AM, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist 
 wrote:

This is what the Welsh press recently said about Rodon,our new loan
defender.
'Despite his struggles at Rennes, Rodon has been a consistent performer for
the Welsh national team, earning 37 caps. However, his lack of regular
football took a toll on his form, evident in the recent 4-2 Euro 2024
qualifying loss to Armenia, where he had an error-strewn display.31 Jul
2023'

From what I've seen of him before, it has always been my opinion. Mind you
I've been wrong before. Let's hope.

Also, I'm a bit dubious about Drameh being the defensively sound right back
we need.  I read somewhere that he was the most dribbled-round full back in
the championship last season, and Luton regularly played him at wing back
so he had an extra defender to cover for him. Perhaps that is why we are
currently connected with Max Aaron's, who is essentially a right back I
believe.

KoT
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Re: [LU] New season

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 The last two pre-season games have been promising.
Nick
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 01:32:42 PM EDT, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 I’m not ‘too’ pessimistic - the 49ers have clearly had plenty to deal with 
financially, the stream of quitters now on loan has been both helpful and 
unhelpful, but the clamour to give our youth a chance is hopefully going to 
happen? I don’t see Paddy being fit enough for more than 20 starts, ditto 
Sinisterra too maybe? But there are players with big points to prove - Perkins, 
Joseph, Drameh (although I still can’t see him staying), Cresswell, Gray and 
Helde. 

I don’t subscribe to the ‘done nothing’ line - clearly incorrect, but it has 
been a very modest transfer window so far - I suspect there’s an element of 
let’s get the season started and see how we go before bringing anyone else in? 

Enjoy the rest of this week, because one thing is for sure, we’ll all have very 
different views after the Cardiff game :-) 



> On 1 Aug 2023, at 16:38, Michael Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> I find it so uplifting that the Yanks have learned the Leeds way. 
> -- Do fuck all and pretend that it is enough 
> 
> 
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> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of nattan--- via 
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> Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2023 5:07 PM
> To: leeds list 
> Subject: [LU] New season
> 
> Like every season i am champing at the bit to return to ER but it is so hard 
> to work out what to expect. If we can keep the likes of Sinisterra 
> Summerville Gnonto and Adams we have the makings of a good championship team, 
> less so if they all depart I do find it odd and worrying that with 5 days to 
> go, it looks like we will go into the new season with no left back, or , at 
> best, an injury prone right back ( byram) playing there Equally we , at 
> present  are relying on an injury prone and currently injured centre forward, 
> who even at his best was wasteful in front of goal. Bamford has been a good 
> servant but injured for 2 seasons and surely it would be madness to rely on a 
> combination of him, an unproven kid ( josep) and a winger playing out of 
> position (Rutter) to score the goals we will need.
> I know the window does not shut till end of August but too many things need 
> sorting for my liking 
> 
> Dave
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Re: [LU] New Manager

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 For both promotions? That is really not a lot for the PL.
On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 01:49:26 AM EDT, Richard Walker 
 wrote:  
 
  60 million apparently


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On Tuesday, July 4, 2023, 9:36 pm, Nicholas Armit  wrote:

Norwich spent barely anything I understood.


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On Tuesday, July 4, 2023, 1:42 PM, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:

Well , feck me we've got a manager ! 
14th in his first season with the Canaries so hopefully he can keep us up. 
Norwich fan at work says he was great in the championship after that first 
season but then ultimately failed at the top level despite spending a decent 
amount of brass. Maybe Daniel should consider renting in Beeston for a year, 
max 2 ? 
Been watching all the Twitter stuff from the club about players returning to 
training but it looks like a lot didn't bother which is really hard to 
understand given they are still under contract and we're still paying their 
wages although I'm hoping they were docked. I don't think there's many players 
in that team that came down that can do a good job at premier league level so I 
suspect most who leave will go abroad. I mean who is going to offer Roca a job 
? You'd have to be mad. 
Let's see what the next week brings.   
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Re: [LU] New Manager

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Norwich spent barely anything I understood.


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Well , feck me we've got a manager ! 
14th in his first season with the Canaries so hopefully he can keep us up. 
Norwich fan at work says he was great in the championship after that first 
season but then ultimately failed at the top level despite spending a decent 
amount of brass. Maybe Daniel should consider renting in Beeston for a year, 
max 2 ? 
Been watching all the Twitter stuff from the club about players returning to 
training but it looks like a lot didn't bother which is really hard to 
understand given they are still under contract and we're still paying their 
wages although I'm hoping they were docked. I don't think there's many players 
in that team that came down that can do a good job at premier league level so I 
suspect most who leave will go abroad. I mean who is going to offer Roca a job 
? You'd have to be mad. 
Let's see what the next week brings.   
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Re: [LU] Sam Gone!

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Not seen it yet as I was traveling. Not sure I want to put myself through 
that. The highlights were horrific enough.
Nick
On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 09:30:29 AM EDT, Nick  
wrote:  
 
 Never wanted him anywhere near the club… busted flush years ago…dinosaur 
tactics / mentality

His only use was an indicator of how far we have slipped in 15 months

Still, he has nicked off with half a million of our dosh, for sweet FA.

Nick

> On 2 Jun 2023, at 14:27, John Lee via Leedslist  wrote:
> 
> Glad to see the back of him to be honest Kev, and I suspect we’ll have an 
> announcement re a new manager long before a month has passed? Quite what 
> happens next will be intriguing.
> 
> I finally got to watch the Spurs game this morning, having been away all 
> week. Really, the defending is shocking - how can you leave Kane simply 
> standing on his own?
> 
> Irrelevant now, of course, but embarrassing!
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 2 Jun 2023, at 12:17, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> So Fat Sam has gone then!
>> I think that has put the nail in any prospect of an immediate return.
>> 
>> Whilst never being delighted about him being there in the first place, if
>> he’d been given a season, with a bit of authority over transfers during the
>> ownership wrangle, we would at least have been able to start preparing for
>> next year.  It is going to take at least a month to put anyone in place
>> now, one would think, leaving very little time to get the players in to
>> replace those who will leave.
>> 
>> KOT
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Re: [LU] Phil Hay in the Athletic

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 I do think the 49ers are different. They are an established organization with 
a proven track record (a good one too if I have heard right.) I know it is not 
exactly the "49ers" but basically the same organizational structure. These are 
not fly by night operators.
Nick
On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 07:12:10 AM EDT, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 I think I agree with Matt in that however crap Radrizani an Orta were in
the transfer market, and even with this latest gaffe, he was infinitely
better than what went before. He was largely responsible for getting
Bielsa, which gave Leeds 3 years of football that I never thought I would
see again. Also the clubs are in way better financial state than when he
joined and immediately following previous relegations.  He is still just
about in credit IMO.
Be careful what we wish for. US takeovers have been detrimental as often as
they have been beneficial to football clubs. We could easily be
subsidising/promoting their business as opposed to them supporting ours.
KOT

PS. Did anyone see Dermot Gallagher commenting on the Anthony Taylor
incident last night. He was wearing an Irish cap which seemed to give him
an obvious Irish accent!!

A further ‘Zoom’ type interview today, and the accent has gone completely!!
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Re: [LU] Sunk deeper

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 He sounded like he has one foot in the geriatric ward.
Nick
On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 12:14:27 PM EDT, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Oh, and his assertion that the judge had made Sammy Lee unemployed made him 
look like a simpleton. Yes, just cancel the trial and we’ll do it all again cos 
Sammy has had a 4 week job offer :-) 

Sent from my iPad

> On 3 May 2023, at 17:06, John Lee via Leedslist  wrote:
> 
> Well, we’re stuck with whatever he can come up with now. His press conference 
> was lessons in the obvious, which maybe the players need, rather the the 
> Marsch psycho-babble or Gracia’s timidity? 
> 
> One thing that did stand out was how old he now is, in both body and mind! 
> Managing Leeds might not be the best job he’s had health-wise? Quite how his 
> view that ‘if every player improves 2% then the team will be 22% better’ is 
> anyone’s guess?
> 
> 
>> On 3 May 2023, at 16:41, John Boocock  wrote:
>> 
>> Sam Allardyce: Leeds United's new manager was 'shocked' to be offered the 
>> job but is 'prepared' for the challenge - 
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65475052
>> 
>> Not as shocked as I was.
>> 
>> Remind me again how Peter Reid did.
>> 
>> Betty
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Re: [LU] Big Sam.

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Yep. From Bielsa to this in a year.
Nick
On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 06:48:27 AM EDT, Scott1cairns1 
 wrote:  
 
 Oh dear oh dear. 
The final humiliation 

Best regards,Scott. 
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Re: [LU] Big Sam.

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Better music during the pre-game for sure!
Nick
On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 08:19:02 AM EDT, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 The final humiliation indeed! If they wanted a fat old bloke who hasn’t worked 
for 10 years I’d have been a better option ;-) 

Sent from my iPad

> On 2 May 2023, at 11:54, Alec McQueen  wrote:
> 
> He stands an infinitely higher chance of getting some kind of result over the 
> next 4 games than the current clown in charge. We needed to throw the dice, 
> and Sam is a big gamble, but he’s a good gamble. He moves pit chance of 
> survival from zero to 10%. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 2 May 2023, at 20:48, Scott1cairns1  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh dear oh dear. 
>> The final humiliation 
>> 
>> Best regards,Scott. 
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Re: [LU] Sunk

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 I wonder if the youngsters will come back (Drameh, Gelhardt, Cresswell.) If 
they do I have some hope for next year.
Nick
On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 11:59:18 AM EDT, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
 wrote:  
 
 Well if this isn’t the sorriest shower of shite, I don’t want to see what is.

Board - bunch of chancers who go lucky once (twice if you count Raphinha).
Manager - simply clueless about what to do, what his best XI is, or the best 
formation
Players - who have more or less given up…was there a bust up at half time v 
Palace?

Still, we’ll get good money for Harrison, Gnonto, Adams, Sinisterra, Somerville
And still have the remains of the lot that overperformed under Bielsa, and are 
now 3 years older and beaten.

FFS

Nick

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Re: [LU] Sunk

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 At least the Premier League was funer wait
Nick
On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 12:03:17 PM EDT, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Dreadful, an absolute shambles.

At least we’ve got an easy game next ….

Sent from Outlook for iOS

From: Leedslist  on behalf of 
n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2023 4:58:49 PM
To: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: [LU] Sunk

Well if this isn’t the sorriest shower of shite, I don’t want to see what is.

Board - bunch of chancers who go lucky once (twice if you count Raphinha).
Manager - simply clueless about what to do, what his best XI is, or the best 
formation
Players - who have more or less given up…was there a bust up at half time v 
Palace?

Still, we’ll get good money for Harrison, Gnonto, Adams, Sinisterra, Somerville
And still have the remains of the lot that overperformed under Bielsa, and are 
now 3 years older and beaten.

FFS

Nick

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Re: [LU] Fwd: Prolonging the agony

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 That 20 seconds in the second half was Keystone Cops stuff!
On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 05:28:53 AM EDT, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Javi Gracia - it’s hard to believe his talks can be in any way inspirational - 
his press conferences are insipid, pointless exercises which give no confidence 
that he knows how to deal with this. I suspect the differing qualities of our 
players did come as a shock to him though. All that said, he has managed 3 wins 
and 2 draws from his 10 games ‘in charge’, so he’s here until the season end. 
There’s zero chance of him being kept on imho, regardless of staying up or 
going down. We made that mistake with Marsch!

I still can’t get over Roca’s passing last night - even in a team known for 
its’ inability to pass to a white shirt, he was spectacularly awful!

> On 26 Apr 2023, at 10:07, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Ha ha. I can't even listen to him. He is lacking in any energy and ideas. 
>    On Wednesday, 26 April 2023 at 09:55:47 BST, John Boocock 
> wrote:  
> 
> Rich,
> 
> He is out, what we see on the bench is CGI
> 
>> On 26/04/2023 09:52, Richard Walker via Leedslist wrote:
>> I missed my last line ...
>> Gracia OUT. I really believe we'd be better off without him than with, as 
>> strange as that may sound.
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Re: [LU] Any improvement?

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 but I
>> could see us near the bottom of the championship if some kind of fire-sale
>> has to take place.

While I am pessimistic about us surviving I am more optimistic about what we 
can do in the Championship. I think a squad with the experienced players who 
have shown they can play at that level (Bamford, Ayling, Cooper, Dallas maybe 
Forshaw) plus some who might stay and might be good at that level [Rutter, 
Aaronsson (though I have my doubts), Roca) and some of the youngsters who are 
proven at that level (Cresswell and Drameh) and others I think will definitely 
be able to (Perkins. Gyabi, Jooseph, Greenwood) should have enough to be 
sucesful.
Nick
On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 09:48:14 AM EDT, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
 wrote:  
 
 We’ll go down for sure, if he keeps picking Aaronson, Roca & McKennie.

And not starting Gnonto.

We miss Adams.

Nick

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> On 23 Apr 2023, at 14:22, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Agree entirely John.  The team has gone back to the pre Bielsa years.
> Marsch’s system was such that some of the Bielsa spirit was still there.
> One iteration and a few signings on and it has all gone, and I’m not sure
> the players believe in whatever plan there is. I think it stems from the
> fact that Gracia was about 7th choice at the time, and the players kind of
> know it.
> KoT
> 
>> On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 at 00:03,  wrote:
>> 
>> I for one have no clue as to how we are trying to play, but whatever it is
>> it isn’t effective. Our midfield is clueless - I agree about Greenwood -
>> more of a presence than the others, and strikes a much better dead-ball. I
>> thought Aaronson showed some decent touches today, but the crumpling to the
>> deck act is infuriating and ridiculous. The shape of the team is all wrong,
>> and whoever thinks Rodrigo can lead the line is very, very wrong.
>> 
>> As for Gracia, he either doesn’t know what he’s doing, didn’t realise the
>> players limitations, or just cannot motivate them, but he isn’t working!
>> After only 10 games in charge the calm, considered responses now look like
>> hollow, vacuous confusion.
>> 
>> While there are still points to play for anything is possible, but I don’t
>> see us avoiding the drop this time round. Quite what the financial impact
>> of that will be, even given the parachute payment, I don’t know, but I
>> could see us near the bottom of the championship if some kind of fire-sale
>> has to take place.
>> 
>> Very depressing times!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 22 Apr 2023, at 22:59, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist <
>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’d say a bit, but not much!
>>> Gracia made a few changes, but the worst midfield in the history of the
>>> premier league remained intact. Roca was a bit better today, but McKennie
>>> and Aaronson were abysmal.  Surely Gyabi and Greenwood could not have
>> been
>>> worse. I’ve never seen a team so vulnerable when attacking.  Nobody holds
>>> the opposition up when they are breaking and those caught forward are not
>>> trying hard enough to get back. Rodrigo is back to his worst from 18
>> months
>>> ago.
>>> Somehow they did actually put a bit of football together in the last 20
>>> mins, but the killer pass was always crap, even when it was not a
>> difficult
>>> one.
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Re: [LU] Any improvement?

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 Absolutely! Best three years of my football life.
Nick
On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 11:24:45 AM EDT, Scott1cairns1 
 wrote:  
 
 As I expected we are back to pre Bielsa.
  Scrabbling around in the shit.
But I can and will always remember those couple of years where the pride wasn’t 
existential it was real and in your face. Genuine pulse racing pride in our 
team and our manager, ethos and heart. Sadly I can’t see that returning. 
I feel really lucky to have enjoyed those few years. 
I missed the glory of the sixties and seventies. If it was like those couple of 
years under bielsa it must’ve been special.
I’m gonna say it cos I’ve had a brink but I loved Marcelo and  What  he  made 
us. 


Best regards,Scott. 

> On 23 Apr 2023, at 14:48, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:
> 
> We’ll go down for sure, if he keeps picking Aaronson, Roca & McKennie.
> 
> And not starting Gnonto.
> 
> We miss Adams.
> 
> Nick
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 23 Apr 2023, at 14:22, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Agree entirely John.  The team has gone back to the pre Bielsa years.
>> Marsch’s system was such that some of the Bielsa spirit was still there.
>> One iteration and a few signings on and it has all gone, and I’m not sure
>> the players believe in whatever plan there is. I think it stems from the
>> fact that Gracia was about 7th choice at the time, and the players kind of
>> know it.
>> KoT
>> 
 On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 at 00:03,  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I for one have no clue as to how we are trying to play, but whatever it is
>>> it isn’t effective. Our midfield is clueless - I agree about Greenwood -
>>> more of a presence than the others, and strikes a much better dead-ball. I
>>> thought Aaronson showed some decent touches today, but the crumpling to the
>>> deck act is infuriating and ridiculous. The shape of the team is all wrong,
>>> and whoever thinks Rodrigo can lead the line is very, very wrong.
>>> 
>>> As for Gracia, he either doesn’t know what he’s doing, didn’t realise the
>>> players limitations, or just cannot motivate them, but he isn’t working!
>>> After only 10 games in charge the calm, considered responses now look like
>>> hollow, vacuous confusion.
>>> 
>>> While there are still points to play for anything is possible, but I don’t
>>> see us avoiding the drop this time round. Quite what the financial impact
>>> of that will be, even given the parachute payment, I don’t know, but I
>>> could see us near the bottom of the championship if some kind of fire-sale
>>> has to take place.
>>> 
>>> Very depressing times!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 22 Apr 2023, at 22:59, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist <
>>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
 
 I’d say a bit, but not much!
 Gracia made a few changes, but the worst midfield in the history of the
 premier league remained intact. Roca was a bit better today, but McKennie
 and Aaronson were abysmal.  Surely Gyabi and Greenwood could not have
>>> been
 worse. I’ve never seen a team so vulnerable when attacking.  Nobody holds
 the opposition up when they are breaking and those caught forward are not
 trying hard enough to get back. Rodrigo is back to his worst from 18
>>> months
 ago.
 Somehow they did actually put a bit of football together in the last 20
 mins, but the killer pass was always crap, even when it was not a
>>> difficult
 one.
 KOT
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Re: [LU] Scouse debacle

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Well it doesn't get much worse than that. Forget it was liverpool, we were 
playing a team in 8th place who had scored ZERO , NIL , NOT ONE  goals away 
from home v bottom half teams this season.  Yet our plan was to sit back and 
just let them have the ball, madness. Ok it sort of worked for 30 minutes but 
the general feeling was one mistake would cost us the game , we did not realise 
the mistake would be the referees, and we all knew this team could not go 
90minutes without making lots of mistakes 

This is it exactly. I was just waiting for the first goal to go in, there was 
no way we were going to give Liverpool that much of the ball, defend that deep 
and not concede. And once the first one went in was clear which way this was 
going. Our main "weapons" are attacking players, why not play to our strengths?
Nick
On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 05:49:18 AM EDT, nattan--- via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Well it doesn't get much worse than that. Forget it was liverpool, we were 
playing a team in 8th place who had scored ZERO , NIL , NOT ONE  goals away 
from home v bottom half teams this season.  Yet our plan was to sit back and 
just let them have the ball, madness. Ok it sort of worked for 30 minutes but 
the general feeling was one mistake would cost us the game , we did not realise 
the mistake would be the referees, and we all knew this team could not go 
90minutes without making lots of mistakes 
The first goal, always going to be crucial was a farce, I have heard that the 
handball was too far away from the actual goal for VAR to bother . WTF  he hand 
balls it , and 3 passes later it is our net - absolutely dreadful decision 
Having said that it is like the old joke where someone is moaning 2 of their 
goals were offside in a 12-0 defeat.  
Once we went behind we had no clue,  our only  bit of joy was when Sinisterra 
ro bed their defender and finished with style. Game on we thought, but 2 
minutes later it was game off. From that moment on it was just a case of how 
many.
We have messed up our GD stats in 3 games with minus 12 ( arse palace and last 
night)
Bit like the players I cant be bothered with the rest of the game other than 
Summerville came on and looked lively, Forshaw came on and looked lost  , 
Rutter came on and looked like he had never seen a football 
Highlight of the evening 2 gobby scouse birds, who thought the whole carriage 
wanted to listen to their inane filming of themselves arrived in Manchester to 
find their only train home at 12.30am was cancelled- only time i smiled all 
night
So desperate times indeed,  somehow,  from somewhere we need at least 5 pts 
from our next 3 games or we are down I reckon 
The fun times under Bielsa feel a long time ago Dave
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Re: [LU] Well

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Utter shambles.
On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 07:03:21 PM EDT, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
 wrote:  
 
 I’m just sitting here drinking, because that was as fucking woeful and 
clueless as anything I have ever seen in a Leeds shirt.

Dreadful. 

Only possibly Koch, Firpo and Harrison deserve to even be considered for the 
next game.

Nick



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[LU] Is this worrying?

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

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Re: [LU] Worst 45 minutes for a long time

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 It was bad...I think once we went 1-0 up we just went into keep the lead mode 
and totally handed all impetus back to the. And they sure as hell took 
advantage.
Nick
On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 01:58:42 PM EDT, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Grim today.
That second half as bad as I’ve seen for a long time.
I stuck it out to the end but there weren’t many left.
A lot of poor performances but if you doubted Rich’s views on Roca that was not 
a game to help you! Ok first half hour but disappeared for the rest of the 
game. Forest must really be awful.

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n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2023 5:43:24 PM
To: n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
Cc: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: Re: [LU] Worst 45 minutes for a long time

Oh yeah, and if our fans are so great, why did half the fuckers leave at 3-1?

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> On 9 Apr 2023, at 17:42, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:
>
> After a pretty even first half. Both teams having chances to score more, but 
> then WTF happened. I mean, if they had called the game off at HT, and award 
> one point each, we would have felt robbed…
>
> Roca & McKennie lost the midfield - Eze gave them a lesson. We stopped in 
> just about every department. Lost shape, confidence, movement, belief. It was 
> horrible.
>
> Possibly the only ones with limited blame from the starting eleven would be 
> Firpo and maybe Harrison. But even that is a stretch.
>
> Completely shocking.
>
> Sent from my iPad

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Re: [LU] Fwd: Forest

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

He was excellent against Scum in both games though. Strange.
Nick


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On Wednesday, April 5, 2023, 12:05 PM, Neil Hackett  
wrote:

Agree that Ayling is a big worry. I love him but he is being targeted.

For about a month teams have been sending a diagonal ball over him knowing the 
winger will beat him to it.

It also appeared on TV that Forest were happy for him to receive the ball as we 
passed out from the back; once he received a pass they closed quickly and he 
was turning it over a lot.

Both wingers were very good, not sure Gnonto has a way back into the starting 
line up yet.



From: Leedslist  on behalf of Nick 

Sent: April 5, 2023 5:28 AM
To: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: [LU] Fwd: Forest

Agree with both of these…

I think we’ve seen 2 of the 3 that will go down at ER recently - Southampton 
and Forest - hard to pick who was worse.

Most impressed yesterday with McKennie - he was throwing those challenges in 
and using the ball well. Harrison and Sinisterra (and Gnonto, and Sommerville) 
using the width of the park, just demonstrate what a nonsense Marsch’s narrow 
formation was.

Ayling had a shocking first half against a poor strike force - its a worry.

Bamford is doing that infuriating thing he - fluffs chances, both for himself 
and also when he has the ball and teammates in good positions - but, the way he 
works the central defenders and pulls them all over the shop is second to none. 
I did think that Rodrigo should have come on for him after 65 or so, to rest up 
Bamford and let our leading scorer have a go at such a weak defence.

Looking forward to seeing Wober back soon, too.

3 points at the w/e and the world looks very different.

Nick

> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: nattan--- via Leedslist 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Forest
> Date: 5 April 2023 at 10:13:34 BST
> To: leeds list 
> Reply-To: "nat...@sky.com" 
>
> When the first message on my WhatsApp this morning is from my son saying " 
> spring in my step and a song in my heart" you know all is right with the 
> world for a bit because Leeds have won
> It was a comfortable  victory really against a team who offered very little.  
> If we are looking for 3 teams worse than us, forest have to be one.
> Pre match stats had us worried- they had only scored 4 all season  we had won 
> every game when we started in the bottom 3 - cue them winning and scoring 5 
> goals inc a worldie from someone who has not scored for 3 years
> Thankfully that did not happen ( although their goal was his first in the 
> Prem)
> I agree with what Rich has written below.
> We struggled a bit to start with - they hit the post from a corner then 
> carved us open,  what was Ayling and then Sinisterra doing? However we dug in 
> , the crowd stayed behind the team ( as Rich says it included a good tribute 
> ) and there was an air of confidence around ER .
> Our goals were good,  lovely move ended with Mckennie shovelling a pass to 
> Roca, his shot was parried to the lively Harrison who lashed home.  Then just 
> before half time Sinisterra danced his way through tying a defender in knots 
> before curling in a beauty.
> Second half we continued to dominate and were first to everything.  Roca 
> having a stormer,  like many I have wondered about him  but last night he was 
> excellent , as was the much maligned Firpo who linked up well with Sinisterra 
> but also made one brilliant goal saving tackle. Sinisterra showed what we 
> have been missing, coming very close with another curling effort,  and 
> everyone else played their part. Struik looked commanding at the back, 
> Harrison was  at his best and Bamford worked his socks off.
> A great victory and with  Bournemouth and Leicester losing a quick glance at 
> the table puts a smile on  your face - 13th. A closer look is not so great,  
> just 2 points above the relegation line, but last night was job done for the 
> first bit , now we need to build on it by beating Palace on Sunday.
> Under Marsch we looked like a team going down, under Javi we look like a team 
> with a fighting chance of staying up. It is our hands .
> Dave
>    On Wednesday, 5 April 2023 at 09:41:41 BST, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
> wrote:
>
> "The scabs are going down" sang the South Stand and yes they most definitely 
> are. This game reminded me of playing against a lower championship league 
> team, in that we had so much space all over the park and created chance after 
> chance after chance. Sini and Jack looked resembled Messi as they danced 
> their way past the Forest players and in midfield, Roca and Mckennie had the 
> freedom of the park. It still didn't stop us going behind and then nearly 
> conceding a 2nd in the opening 15 minutes. "How shit must you be, we're 
> winning away" sang the scabs. Ayling looks vulnerable against a pacey Forest 
> winger and ti was no surprise that from one of their breaks down the left the 
> ball was passed to an unmarked 

Re: [LU] Arse tomorrow...

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Agreed not a chance in hell.
On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 09:32:37 AM EDT, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
  Not a prayer !  Arguable our best 3 players out. Wober, Adams and Gnonto 
but I hope I'm wrong
    On Friday, 31 March 2023 at 12:08:35 BST, James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via 
Leedslist  wrote:  
 
 Listers,
We have gone there before with no hope and done magical things.
Is it any different this time around?
James.
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Re: [LU] Brighton or an interesting day at the office for Jack Harrison

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Damn I was feeing a little bit positive
On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 03:42:42 PM EDT, Simon McNally 
 wrote:  
 
 Which bit?I didn’t think we were good at all, just relieved to have got a 
point.I agree, too many of our players aren’t up to it. I love Ayling but he’s 
not prem quality anymore. It looked like a disaster waiting to happen every 
time the ball went out to our right.Roca is awful and I don’t care what the 
hipsters on Twitter say. Aaronson, McKennie, Firpo and Kristiansen all a long 
way short.I think Rutter might turn out to be a good player in the future but 
he isn’t what we needed now. Certainly for the money spent.
Sent from Outlook for iOSFrom: Leedslist  on 
behalf of Richard Walker via Leedslist 
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2023 7:31:11 PM
To: Nicholas Armit ; Leeds List 2010 ; 
Nick 
Subject: Re: [LU] Brighton or an interesting day at the office for Jack 
Harrison Do you think ? I thought in that first half we looked like a really 
poor team who looked doomed. We had no idea and it took a fortunate deflection 
from a speculative shot to get us going. I’d put that first half down as the as 
poor as we’ve seen for a few seasons.Credit to us 2nd half for coming back into 
it but I don’t think some of our players are good enough. The worst of the bad 
bunch are Firpo and Roca, who are both woefully short. I also am concerned 
about Rutter. He’s just not at the races.


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On Sunday, March 12, 2023, 5:15 pm, Nicholas Armit  wrote:

 I might be talking myself into this but I think there is enough in these 
players that can just get us out of trouble. They are good players we just need 
a spark from somewhere and it could all click.
Yes I know.
Nick
    On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 11:09:00 AM EDT, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote: 
 
  Ayling's worst game for Leeds. He didn't look right to me. 
    On Sunday, 12 March 2023 at 12:09:16 GMT, Nick  
wrote: 
 
 Brighton are a decent well-organised side. They’re not pushing for a European 
place just through luck…

What was obvious was that Garcia set us up as 4-4-2 and has told them to stay 
in position - no wild chasing down, no pressing. This works for solidity but 
removes that 100mph rollercoaster effect - it also allows their defenders to 
stand over the ball time after time, happy that they are not going to get 
challenged. This is something that many in the crowd seemed to be made restless 
by.

Big problem yesterday - apart from Roca & Aaronson’s almost non-existence in 
the middle - was Ayling. It wasn’t that the guy on him was fast and tricky - he 
was - but that he got done 6 times in then first half alone just by a lofted 
ball over the top. He was nowhere near the winger. If you get caught once or 
twice early like that, you drop 5 yards, you move closer to the guy. But it 
kept happening. Then he got out-jumped by the winger at the back post, for the 
first goal. V poor game.

However, Harrison decided he was going to chase and harry, and in doing so, 
closed the defender down, got a bit of luck with the bounce, which just rolled 
along the touchline without going out, fed Bamford, who took a touch and 
smacked in off the crossbar - albeit with a slight deflection. Out of nowhere 
we were level.

Then Jack gets unlucky in the second half with a ball ricocheting around the 
penalty area, eventually bouncing off him and in - he looked like he was 
shaping to clear it, but the winger pressing him, was close enough that 
Harrison could not draw his foot back…and there you go. 1-2.

The second equaliser - coming after Gnonto, Rodrigo and McKennie were 
introduced - came after a reasonable spell of pressure from us, all these three 
pushed us forwards. Short corner from Willie 2-balls, Harrison steps inside the 
defender and lashes it into the far top corner with his right foot. Lovely goal.

Couple more half chances each - best fell to Wellbeck who cut in again from our 
right, beat about 3 defenders before hitting the south stand.

I do not buy the doom and gloom - there are 12 games to go, 4 points cover 
about 8 teams (not counting Soton, but that may change after today) - plenty of 
time to get things right. The same people who say “we’re down” are the ones who 
would db going “C’mon Leeds we can do this” if there were a 4 point gap with 2 
games to go.

Oh yeah, and Rodrigo was fouled in the box as he went through.

Nick




> On 12 Mar 2023, at 11:14, Steve Gillen  wrote:
> 
> I pretty much agree with all this except to add that yesterday's performance 
> was about as poor as I've ever seen of Leeds. I mean insofar as we have 
> players of talent who are excellent and may be enough to save us but those 
> players are just that. They are not playing much as a team, I'm pointing to 
> Utter and to some degree Harrison, they try to do it alone it felt. The 
> exception being Gnonto, he did play for others and was the spark we were 
> looking for often. I very much got the feeling that our 

Re: [LU] Brighton or an interesting day at the office for Jack Harrison

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 I might be talking myself into this but I think there is enough in these 
players that can just get us out of trouble. They are good players we just need 
a spark from somewhere and it could all click.
Yes I know.
Nick
On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 11:09:00 AM EDT, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
  Ayling's worst game for Leeds. He didn't look right to me. 
    On Sunday, 12 March 2023 at 12:09:16 GMT, Nick  
wrote:  
 
 Brighton are a decent well-organised side. They’re not pushing for a European 
place just through luck…

What was obvious was that Garcia set us up as 4-4-2 and has told them to stay 
in position - no wild chasing down, no pressing. This works for solidity but 
removes that 100mph rollercoaster effect - it also allows their defenders to 
stand over the ball time after time, happy that they are not going to get 
challenged. This is something that many in the crowd seemed to be made restless 
by.

Big problem yesterday - apart from Roca & Aaronson’s almost non-existence in 
the middle - was Ayling. It wasn’t that the guy on him was fast and tricky - he 
was - but that he got done 6 times in then first half alone just by a lofted 
ball over the top. He was nowhere near the winger. If you get caught once or 
twice early like that, you drop 5 yards, you move closer to the guy. But it 
kept happening. Then he got out-jumped by the winger at the back post, for the 
first goal. V poor game.

However, Harrison decided he was going to chase and harry, and in doing so, 
closed the defender down, got a bit of luck with the bounce, which just rolled 
along the touchline without going out, fed Bamford, who took a touch and 
smacked in off the crossbar - albeit with a slight deflection. Out of nowhere 
we were level.

Then Jack gets unlucky in the second half with a ball ricocheting around the 
penalty area, eventually bouncing off him and in - he looked like he was 
shaping to clear it, but the winger pressing him, was close enough that 
Harrison could not draw his foot back…and there you go. 1-2.

The second equaliser - coming after Gnonto, Rodrigo and McKennie were 
introduced - came after a reasonable spell of pressure from us, all these three 
pushed us forwards. Short corner from Willie 2-balls, Harrison steps inside the 
defender and lashes it into the far top corner with his right foot. Lovely goal.

Couple more half chances each - best fell to Wellbeck who cut in again from our 
right, beat about 3 defenders before hitting the south stand.

I do not buy the doom and gloom - there are 12 games to go, 4 points cover 
about 8 teams (not counting Soton, but that may change after today) - plenty of 
time to get things right. The same people who say “we’re down” are the ones who 
would db going “C’mon Leeds we can do this” if there were a 4 point gap with 2 
games to go.

Oh yeah, and Rodrigo was fouled in the box as he went through.

Nick




> On 12 Mar 2023, at 11:14, Steve Gillen  wrote:
> 
> I pretty much agree with all this except to add that yesterday's performance 
> was about as poor as I've ever seen of Leeds. I mean insofar as we have 
> players of talent who are excellent and may be enough to save us but those 
> players are just that. They are not playing much as a team, I'm pointing to 
> Utter and to some degree Harrison, they try to do it alone it felt. The 
> exception being Gnonto, he did play for others and was the spark we were 
> looking for often. I very much got the feeling that our coach has laid the 
> law down that we don't all fly forward and leave ourselves open at the back 
> (Ayling take note) which meant that we were not as exciting to watch as we 
> have been, but not the walkover we used to be - well not as much as we used 
> to be, we still had our moments of squeaky bum - sadly though that meant that 
> we struggled to force ourselves upon Brighton. I honestly could see no way we 
> might score until up popped Bamford, but even then he didn't receive service 
> so much as he had to make it himself.
> 
> I struggle to see how we can make it this year as everyone around us is doing 
> something and we aren' - sigh. I am so disappointed.
> 
> Steve G
> 
>> On 12 Mar 2023, at 10:09, nattan--- via Leedslist  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Well,  similar to last season we salvaged a point at home v Brighton, and 
>> similar to last season we left wondering if it is enough. Wins for 
>> Bournemouth and Everton suggest not,  but to be honest Brighton are a much 
>> better team this season, as shown both by their league position and the fact 
>> that their fans were going " ole" after 15mins of dominance even though it 
>> was still 0 0 
>> Pre game the mood in the pub was down beat, no one could see where our goals 
>> were going to come from and you can't win if you can't score.
>> It was good therefore to see Bamford  back up top and Rodrigo on the bench , 
>> getting back to full fitness
>> Despite that we were very much second best for long periods of this game as 

Re: [LU] Supporters Advisory Board

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Massive relegation elephant in the room
 AK concluded that he knew the only metric for a Premier League team is where 
you sit in the tableand whilst everyone is hugely disappointed with the 
underperformance on the football side the club asa whole is still progressing 
well, we have a team with more strength in depth than at any point inrecent 
years, record commercial revenues and international developments, a flourishing 
foundationwhich is increasingly viewed as best in class, a young squad with 
huge potential fuelled by anexcellent academy, stadium redevelopment plans that 
are closer to fruition and new owners with boldinvestment plans. 
NickOn Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 02:08:31 PM EST, John Boocock 
 wrote:  
 
 Interesting stuff from the officious sit, especially the accompanying 
minutes: 
https://www.leedsunited.com/news/club/31090/supporters-advisory-board-february-meeting
 

Betty
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Re: [LU] Scum

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Gnonto has been excellent this season but Adams is for me the find of the year.
Nick
On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 01:03:50 PM EST, Neil Hackett 
 wrote:  
 
 A very enjoyable game.

I'm going to really enjoy watching Adams and Mckennie play together. They are 
going to be a nightmare to play against. It's not very often we have a stronger 
midfield than scum.

Thought Bamford was ok. He does look like someone who has not played much 
recently. But, he laid on the first goal and almost made a second for Willie.

Harrison was wasteful. He found all kinds of space but could not make his 
passes.

We played a good team, on the road and gave a good account. If we can maintain 
that level of play we will soon be safe.

I don't know how much Fred cost but Adams is much better than him.


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Mark Tuffey 

Sent: February 9, 2023 11:10 AM
To: Leeds List ; Richard Walker 
Subject: Re: [LU] Scum

What a magnificent team performance given the situation. I thought the game 
completely changed during a three minute period when both Adams and then 
Mckennie got yellow cards. This basically neutered their aggression which up 
until that point had the SCUM midfield shaking in their boots. From that point 
forth Adams and McKennie had to be concerned about staying on the pitch and 
this allowed SCUM more time on the ball and created fewer turnovers for us to 
transition with.
Hopefully the "Bash Brothers" can repeat their performance on Sunday, as it 
didn't look like Fernandez, Fred and Sabitzer liked it "up 'em".

Cheers
Wiscoleeds




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Re: [LU] Marsch

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Surely not, they were "all in all the time"
Nick
On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 10:18:22 AM EST, Simon McNally via 
Leedslist  wrote:  
 
 Reading between the lines they definitely did!

Sent from Outlook for iOS

From: Leedslist  on behalf of Greg Adams 

Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2023 3:15:32 PM
To: Richard Walker ; Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Marsch

haha! That did cross my mind, but didn't want to say it first 

On 09 Feb 2023 17:13, Richard Walker wrote:
> Maybe they all thought he was a cunt ?
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
>
> On Thursday, February 9, 2023, 3:11 pm, Greg Adams
>  wrote:
>
>    I just heard a someone on the Guardian podcast (Lucy Ward?) say that
>    none of the players have sent Marsch any farewell messages. I'm
>    not on
>    twitter or the other messaging apps, so I can't verify this.  Has
>    anyone
>    seen or heard of anything?
>
>    If it is true, it would be very strange, as most players say
>    thanks or
>    something similarly anodyne.  Not sure what to make of it.
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Re: [LU] Skooobs!

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 That would be right-back..
On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 10:06:08 AM EST, Nicholas Armit via 
Leedslist  wrote:  
 
  Firpo was absolutely fine(except for one pass), think he is becoming a bit of 
a scapegoat tbh. While Gnonto was great going forward he barely ever stopped 
the crosses coming in from the left-back, they scored the first from one he 
just didn't mark. Think it was just tiredness so was surprised he wasn't the 
first forward to get subbed.
Nick
    On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 06:09:02 AM EST, Greg Adams 
 wrote:  
 
 Well that was a change from what we've been seeing in the last 11 months 
or so.  Everything we would want - and expect  - from this squad we saw 
last night.  That in itself raises many questions, but suffice to say 
that the way the team played gives an insight into how good they can 
be.  Gone (mostly) were the aimless hoofs up-field, the charging towards 
the ball at all times and players needlessly and carelessly losing 
possession. Instead we showed the intelligence to hold off and drop back 
into a defensive formation when necessary, while always trying to find a 
way to attack.  It looked like the players were playing instinctively 
and trusting themselves and each other to make the run / make the pass , 
always looking for a free man. There were times during the game that we 
made the scum look ordinary, which is always fun to see 

How much of this performance was due to who we were playing will become 
clear in the next few games, but the fact that we can play this way 
bodes well for the rest of the season.

MOTM for me was Max, with Koch, Willy and two pit bulls in midfield 
close seconds.  Everyone else did well enough with the possible 
exception of Bamford and Junior.

It was also good to see some calmness on the sideline with the three 
coaches concentrating on the game and trying to counteract Ten Haag's 
changes.

Oh, and 20M for Harrison?  He is worth way mare than that.


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Re: [LU] Skooobs!

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Firpo was absolutely fine(except for one pass), think he is becoming a bit of 
a scapegoat tbh. While Gnonto was great going forward he barely ever stopped 
the crosses coming in from the left-back, they scored the first from one he 
just didn't mark. Think it was just tiredness so was surprised he wasn't the 
first forward to get subbed.
Nick
On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 06:09:02 AM EST, Greg Adams 
 wrote:  
 
 Well that was a change from what we've been seeing in the last 11 months 
or so.  Everything we would want - and expect  - from this squad we saw 
last night.  That in itself raises many questions, but suffice to say 
that the way the team played gives an insight into how good they can 
be.  Gone (mostly) were the aimless hoofs up-field, the charging towards 
the ball at all times and players needlessly and carelessly losing 
possession. Instead we showed the intelligence to hold off and drop back 
into a defensive formation when necessary, while always trying to find a 
way to attack.  It looked like the players were playing instinctively 
and trusting themselves and each other to make the run / make the pass , 
always looking for a free man. There were times during the game that we 
made the scum look ordinary, which is always fun to see 

How much of this performance was due to who we were playing will become 
clear in the next few games, but the fact that we can play this way 
bodes well for the rest of the season.

MOTM for me was Max, with Koch, Willy and two pit bulls in midfield 
close seconds.  Everyone else did well enough with the possible 
exception of Bamford and Junior.

It was also good to see some calmness on the sideline with the three 
coaches concentrating on the game and trying to counteract Ten Haag's 
changes.

Oh, and 20M for Harrison?  He is worth way mare than that.


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Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Any links to these Bamford comments? I can't find them.
Nick
On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 08:51:21 AM EST, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 I simply don’t understand why Marsch couldn’t see the all-too-obvious failings 
in his tactical approach - he’s either incredibly arrogant, and couldn’t 
possibly be wrong, or just plain dumb? The failings were there for all to see 
at the end of last season, so it’s not a new thing. I have to concede I feel 
very happy he’s gone. 

One reporter at the press conference asked about Bamfords comment (isolated, no 
runs from midfield, 2 defenders on him), he was just being honest and open. It 
would be interesting to know what player pressure fed into the board decision?

Just seen report on BBC Look North that while the club would like to have 
someone in place by Sunday, contractual discussions may mean that isn’t 
possible. 



> On 7 Feb 2023, at 12:13, Simon McNally via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> As you say, shocking that he ever got near the job at Leeds given this record.
> It’s everything we’ve seen at Leeds. Not able to break teams down, everything 
> rushed and narrow.
> They need to get it right this time.
> 
> Sent from Outlook for iOS
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of nattan--- via 
> Leedslist 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 12:08:56 PM
> To: leeds list 
> Subject: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true
> 
> Remember that Boro piece on Orta? Well, someone's just shared a piece on 
> Marsch from a USA forum entitled "Jesse Marsch might not be very good." It's 
> from a year ago, and it's terrifying. Won't share the whole thing because 
> it's badly written and rambling. But some bits are jaw-dropping when you 
> consider we'd tracked him for years and knew him better than he knew himself.
> "At New York teams worked out that you set a low block and play over him. The 
> book on how to stop them was written, and things didn't go well. They did 
> inexplicably beat Toronto - the best MLS team of all time. More on that 
> later."
> "In his biggest game, NY go a goal down and the opposition set a low block. 
> Marsch can't adjust tactics. They do have 20 shots chasing the game, all of 
> them fail on some sort of mishit pass/shot because there's no time. They 
> press harder than they've ever pressed . They create chance after chance 
> after chance. Then in the second half after a slight change from the 
> opposition they create nothing."
> "In Salzburg, he took Haaland and an exciting team to an expected league 
> title (a very fortunate points deduction to their rivals helped). In the CL 
> they look good against Liverpool and not good against worse teams. Fans 
> complain that he's a mediocre coach who can't make adjustments."
> "Leipzig are unanimously expected to qualify for the champions league. After 
> 14 games they're 8th and have lost three in a row. Leipzig are unable to deal 
> with low blocks. They have a knack of looking good against good sides, and 
> not so good against less good sides."
> "Marsch tactics work very well when you have an opponent who like time on the 
> ball. You can press and disrupt. Bit if teams play on the counter or hit long 
> balls over the top, Marsch's teams all come up short. "
> "Marsch has coached at three teams. All of which reached unprecedented 
> heights in his absence."
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Re: [LU] Forest

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Mckennie certainly needs some Bielsa diet. And must have given the ball away 
more than any other debutant in history.
Nick
On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 12:40:11 PM EST, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 One of the limpest performances for a long time that second half.
Really not sure what he sees in Greenwood and the new lad McKennie looks to be 
carrying a bit of timber.
We could have played all night and not scored.
I agree regarding the squad but I worry the board will leave it too late to get 
rid.
They seemed to have properly doubled down on him - signing some more of his 
players and appointing his mate as assistant.

Sent from Outlook for iOS

From: Richard Walker 
Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 5:25:58 PM
To: nat...@sky.com ; Simon McNally ; 
bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
Cc: leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] Forest

Hope so. We have one tactic and that’s give the ball to Gnonto. Forest 
nullified that in the 2nd half and we were toothless 2nd half. We totally ran 
out of ideas.
I think there’s enough talent in the team to stay up but I can’t see it with 
Marsch in charge.


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Sunday, February 5, 2023, 5:12 pm, nat...@sky.com  wrote:

Pascal is being ruined - a decent centre back being played out of position long 
after it stopped working - his confidence is totally shot . We have got a good 
player in wober but he is not a left back so we only have Firpo
Looking at social media tonight Jesse is done

On Sunday, 5 February 2023 at 17:06:50 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:


That was the worst left back performance since Ronnie Robinson. Absolutely 
rubbish.

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Sunday, February 5, 2023, 3:01 pm, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:

Yes.
Really poor from Pascal to give the free kick away and then a poor header. Not 
sure why Ayling wasn’t tight to Johnson.


Sent from Outlook for iOS

From: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
mailto:bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk>>
Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 2:56:10 PM
To: Simon McNally mailto:simon_mcna...@sky.com>>
Cc: Michael Benjamin mailto:m...@myray.com>>; leeds list 
mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: Re: [LU] Forest

What is hard to take is how hard we work to close down all over the pitch, but 
they get the ball on the edge of our box and there is no-one within 5 yards of 
their player!

Plus the guy who was ‘fouled’ for the free-kick was offside - this combo of 
desperate luck and sh*te defending on the right has to change, otherwise we’ve 
had it!

Very impressed by Wober though - some great tackles/interceptions, and a couple 
of excellent forward passes.

It’s going to be a long second half! We can still do this, but another ‘here we 
go again’ feeling!




On 5 Feb 2023, at 13:52, Simon McNally 
mailto:simon_mcna...@sky.com>>>
 wrote:

Me too.
I was a bit surprised by the selection. I’d have expected McKennie to start but 
at least he’s dropped Aaronson.
As ever, worried when I see Cooper starting.
Feels massive today.

Sent from Outlook for iOS

From: Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>>>
 on behalf of John Lee via Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>>
Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 1:47:52 PM
To: Michael Benjamin 
mailto:m...@myray.com>>>
Cc: leeds list 
mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>>
Subject: Re: [LU] Forest

Yep, today isn’t a ‘must’ win, but if we don’t the mood music will be very grim 
indeed.  Marsch’s tactical nous, or lack of, have left me unimpressed from day 
1, but we have some really good players and I’m just hoping a cohesive unit 
will develop, pretty damn quickly! We have a really strong bench, but as ever 
how the defence performs will be critical! I’m unsure why Weston isn’t on at 
the start, but let’s see?

I reckon Marsch has 5 league games to determine his future at Leeds - whilst 
getting rid in mid-February wouldn’t be ideal, by then we’ll know whether a 
turn of fortunes has happened?

Pretty nervous here though :-(

Sent from my iPad

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Re: [LU] Dave Dowden.

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Count me in! 
Nick
On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 01:15:47 PM EST, Robert Heath 
 wrote:  
 
 The proper game though (if somewhat sedate), I hopenone of this
walking football nonsense.

On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 5:29 PM John Boocock  wrote:

> There's talk
>
> On 13 January 2023 16:30:19 GMT, Nicholas Armit  wrote:
> > Is there a really old bastard worldnet?
> >Nick
> >    On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 03:52:40 AM EST, John Boocock <
> j...@boocock.net> wrote:
> >
> > This might not be possible as the organisation of WorldNET is in (yet
> >another) state of flux.
> >
> >I will investigate.
> >
> >Cheers
> >
> >Betty
> >
> >On 12/01/2023 15:29, Richard Naef wrote:
> >> Perhaps sponsor  something at the next worldnet in memory?
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Re: [LU] Dave Dowden.

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Is there a really old bastard worldnet?
Nick
On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 03:52:40 AM EST, John Boocock 
 wrote:  
 
 This might not be possible as the organisation of WorldNET is in (yet 
another) state of flux.

I will investigate.

Cheers

Betty

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Re: [LU] Dave Dowden.

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Totally agree and my condolences too.
Nick
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 02:05:04 AM EST, Ian Murray 
 wrote:  
 
 Really sorry to hear this news.

I haven't met many of you lot in person but we have all been on this list for a 
fairly long time now and in some weird digital way we all sort of know bits 
about each other.

Rest in Peace Dave.


From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Boocock 

Sent: Tuesday, 10 January 2023 3:09 AM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: [LU] Dave Dowden.

Dear all,

Quite a few of you will know that lister and member of the Leeds Lards worldnet 
team, Dave 'Lido' Dowden has been ill with cancer this past two years. His 
illness finally got the better of him late on Sunday night. He was at home with 
his family having turned what was a six month assessment into two very full 
years.

Those of you who knew Dave would know that he was a devoted Leeds fan but there 
was so much more to him. He was a munroist, he enjoyed cycling, and took an 
active part in politics in Pudsey. In recent years he was a leading light in 
the Pudsey Greenside Greenway project. He also liked a good fire!

A committed traveller, there were few places he had not visited and anyone who 
shared those trips will confirm that they were always er, eventful. He made 
many of the matches abroad during our most recent European campaigns and quite 
a few of us shared those trips. (Anyone going to the Barca game will remember 
him and Chris Fitz staying above a sex shop which they were convinced was run 
by nuns).

I can not begin to list all the adventures, stories and mishaps he was involved 
in (he was short of a big toe after an accident with a lawn mower). One thing I 
can say is they were many. Maybe one day someone will collect them.

Anyway, he now joins the other listers in the great list retirement home in the 
sky. Dave was a one off and will never be forgotten.

Betty

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Re: [LU] Tonight etc

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 His repeated discussion of the stress does not bode well. You can't think 
lucidly if you are unable to handle the pressure.
Nick
On Wednesday, January 4, 2023 at 10:55:05 AM EST, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Lots of debate re whether tonight is a must win? For Marsch it certainly is - 
in his last press conference he looked twitchy, nervous and stressed to the max 
- his beliefs in his tactics must be hanging on a thread - without a win 
tonight, he might just crack. Much as I despair of his tactics and verbal 
diarrhoea, I did feel for him - not nice seeing him like that tbh. For the 
club, obviously there still are plenty of games left should we lose, but the 
mood in the ground would be toxic so again, it is a must win, even though it 
may be yet another false-dawn!

A line from It’s a mad, mad, mad world pretty much covers it “No matter how we 
figure it, we still can’t figure it!”

Praying for 3 points!


> On 4 Jan 2023, at 15:40, MATTHEW GAYNOR via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> On the plus side since the point Marsch looked certain to be sacked we've 
> taken 7 points from 5 games which was a brutal run of Liverpool / Bournemouth 
> / Spurs / City / Newcastle and now it gets easier
> 
> 
> On the flipside i have no idea how we did that and havent seen any real 
> change in the tactics in the friendlies or the 2 games back - so dont feel 
> over confident going forward.  It still feels like we are relying on 3 teams 
> being worse than us, more than us playing our way out of trouble.
> 
> Ironically for a team that Marsch wants to play narrow - with the emergence 
> of Gnonto and Summerville we now have more wingers than ever.
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "nattan--- via Leedslist" 
> To: "leeds list" 
> Sent: Wednesday, 4 Jan, 23 At 12:18
> Subject: [LU] Tonight etc
> 
> The results all went our way last night with Everton, Bournemouth and 
> Leicester all losing.The table is looking like 2 halves with villa in 13th on 
> 21 looking safe as are all those above them Then Leicester on 17 and us on 16 
> pts.
> Makes tonight massive - a win puts us to the top of the bottom half ( if that 
> makes sense) and puts a lot of teams plus a few points between us and the 
> drop.
> A defeat and we stay firmly in the relegation fight and it makes our hard won 
> / lucky point at Newcastle almost worthless,  we need to build on decent 
> results.
> We also need to start beating the bad teams beginning tonight,  and then 
> getting points in the next half dozen games which are mainly winnable.
> A win also means we can try for a cup run starting on Sunday but a defeat may 
> mean treating the cup as an  unwelcome sideshow and mean putting out a 
> reserve side
> Dave
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Re: [LU] Newcastle thoughts

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Agree completely. Sometimes I wished Bielsa's teams knew how to take the clock 
off but it was nice to be different from everyone else. Now we are just the 
same old shit.
Nick
On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 02:55:07 PM EST, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 For once I agree with Heath on the time wasting. Don’t like to see it from us 
and as much as I liked the way it riled the Geordies I just wish we hadn’t 
needed to resort to these tactics. Unfortunately, we’re just not good enough 
under Marsch to play the game out. 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


 Unfortunately On Sunday, January 1, 2023, 3:44 pm, Robert Heath 
 wrote:

I was very conflicted about that behaviour. Having widely lambasted the likes 
of Pickford and Martinez (and indeed the entire Villa team) (and their subs, 
ballboys, kit men, tea ladies and mascot) in the past I would be very 
hypocritical to relish that shit when we do it. It would never have happened 
under Bielsa. I'm sorry, but if you want to "manage" the game over the last few 
minutes, just keep passing the ball to your own players and don't let the other 
bastards have it! That may be an outdated Corinthian attitude, but that's what 
I believe.
On Sun, Jan 1, 2023 at 2:49 PM Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:

 oh I forgot to mention our time wasting and play acting in the 2nd Half. Loved 
it ! Totally riled the Geordies. We've had so much of that shit against us in 
the last few years it was good to give some back. 
    On Sunday, 1 January 2023 at 14:38:47 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  

 Considering where they are in their journey and where we are this was a great 
point for us in very difficult conditions. Every player gave 100% and we 
battled hard to get the point. 


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Re: [LU] City (b@stards)

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Great summary thanks Dave!
Nick
On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 05:26:27 AM EST, nattan--- via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Being brought up in a scum supporting household I have always hated the blue 
c@nts and now they have money I dislike them even  more ( despite a couple of 
my best mates being ST holders there) so I wanted us to do something special,  
we didn't 
Good points , meeting my mates after a long lay off and having a good drink pre 
game, Struiks goal, Joffys near miss, Klich chant not being at all interrupted 
by their 3rd, Leeds fans in general - stuck with the team till the end, chants 
of " you're too fat to play for Leeds" aimed at an amused KP,  the performance 
of Meslier and Gnonto,  the fact we only conceded 3.
Bad points the rest of it, beginning the day with an email saying original 
train was cancelled,  the billionaire blood money club creating chance after 
chance and totally outclassing us. 
Really bad bits - giving a goal away with the last kick of the first half when 
we thought we would go in at 0 0 , thanks to a gritty performance and 
profligate finishing, the ' pass' by cooper that led to their 2nd and winning 
goal , game was over after that. Our lack of ability to pass to each other
We expected to be easily beaten and we were , so in a way no harm done and only 
2 goals against our GD stat. We need to get a point at Newcastle ( probably 
won't) but then the real work starts - we must pick up points and hopefully 
quite a few of them , starting next week v west ham, then villa  brentford, 
forest, Everton and Southampton ( with scum in the middle) games that will 
define our season and show if we are staying up
Let's hope we buy a left back and a centre forward in January and the right o 
ed - not Chris wood ffs
Dave Football is back 

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Re: [LU] Keeping the list alive (before I'm banned from it) Pt 94

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 I did wonder for a while why Drameh can't try right back. Trippier is right 
footed isn't he and plays left back?
Nick
On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 12:08:59 PM EST, Robert Heath 
 wrote:  
 
 "Or just buy a decent LB"

Oh yeah of course.oh and Victor could you pick me up a pint of
milk and a packet of dishwasher tablets while you're in there

On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 4:08 PM wayne callaghan 
wrote:

> Or just buy a decent LB.
>
> Get BlueMail for Android 
> On 10 Dec 2022, at 15:08, Robert Heath  wrote:
>>
>> Here's the latest musing from one with obviously way too much time on his
>> hands..we seem to have 3 good right backs and zero good left backs;
>> if I was marsch I'd be telling Ayling & Drameh to train for a week using
>> only their left foot, then I'd have them each dribble 10 yds towards the
>> left corner flag and then have 'em swing over a cross with their left
>> footgive 'em 10 goes each and whomsoever delivers the best crosses
>> ...hey presto! we have our new LB!
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Re: [LU] Keeping the list alive

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Totally disagree. He could just go out and get Roberto Carlos, I know for a 
fact he is available.
Nick
On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 06:01:59 PM EST, Peter Castlehouse 
 wrote:  
 
 Completely rational, and entirely agree with you Rob.  Antonee Robinson I 
would take 

Pete C
t'original surviving one

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Robert Heath
Sent: Monday, 5 December 2022 8:17 AM
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] Keeping the list alive

3 players I have watched in the last couple of days who really symbolise our 
predicament: Raphinha, Adams & Gakpo. The fact is that all players want to be 
playing in the stupid so-called Champions League (or their agents tell them 
they want to!) So somehow, Orta (who I think is unjustly
criticised) must find some young gem who is a) better than who we have already, 
but b) can't be so good (yet) that he will think he can hold out for a CL team. 
And even if he finds one, we've got 2 years with 'em before they move on (at 
least at a profit.) So Raphinha obvs falls into this category..so does 
Adams who we will lose sooner or later. Maybe Sinisterra. And Gakpo obvs 
doesn't and we've got no chance of signing him.
All this rubbish "oh we've got to go out and sign a LB and a striker in 
January" completely ignores these factors. There aren't many players out there 
who fit that profile. One of the things we have tried to do is to take 
advantage of the propensity for the megaclubs to have huge squads and try to 
grab players whose careers have gone stale due to lack of playing time. Ie 
Firpo & Roca. (Mixed success...and pretty big pricetags for a gamble.)

So..OK "Orta has GOT to buy a LB this january!!!" scream the 
knowalls. There were 32 LBs who were starters in the WC. No doubt all the top 
countries LBs already play in the CL so that probably rules out 10 of 'em. So 
we must look at the "weaker" countries.( I got all excited about that Alphonso 
Davies of Canada then I found out he plays for Munichscum. ) Of that 20-odd 
probably half would be no improvement even on Firpo, and of the others how many 
might be actually available? Antonee Robinson, for example. He;s looked good 
for the USless so really for Fulham.
Would Fulham sell him? Would he be worth shelling out 15 - 20 mill?

My point isOrta's job is not as simple as many people think.

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Re: [LU] FA Cup

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Omen!!
On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 04:22:27 PM EST, Tim Whelan via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 
Yes, 2-0 away in the 5th round, on the way to winning the trophy in 
1972.
-- Original Message --
On  Monday, 28 Nov, 22 At 20:41, Michael Benjamin wrote:
Have we ever beaten them in the cup?

Dr Michael Benjamin
Community Psychiatrist
Oranit
Israel

From: Leedslist leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org on behalf of John 
Boocock j...@boocock.net
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2022 9:17:41 PM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] FA Cup

Cardiff away in the FA Cup
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Re: [LU] Meslier - Spurs

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 I wasn't meaning to blame Meslier. I blame the tactics, massive holes 
everywhere. Every game there are at last two/three situations where two people 
are just wide open at the far post or at the top of the box. And by wide open I 
mean 5/7 yards free. 
Nick
On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 12:23:31 PM EST, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
 wrote:  
 
 
A good young keeper, behind a porous defence.

Nick


Sent from my iPad

> On 13 Nov 2022, at 17:18, Nicholas Armit  wrote:
> 
> 
> 7 from 33 is a bad return
> 
> Nick
> 
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 10:58:35 AM EST, Nick 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Having just watched the MOTD playback, I just wanted to express some sympathy 
> for our Keeper, the records show he let 4 in, when in reality there was 
> nothing he could do about the first 3:
> 
> 1 - a clear foul - that it is not even (apparently) looked at by VAR is 
> ludicrous, especially when you consider Bamford’s disallowed effort vs 
> Arsenal 3 weeks ago.
> 
> 2 - having moved across the goal to cover the first effort, there is a 
> clearance that falls to some guy in 10 yards of space on the edge of the box, 
> his shot goes beyond Meslier, moving back across goal when Rasmus on the line 
> tries to clear it, kicks it into Meslier and that bounces into the goal
> 
> 3 - a deflected shot (when the guy should been closed down again).
> 
> 
> Feel real sorry for the keeper.
> 
> Still, 6 points from those 3 games is not a bad return.
> 
> Nick
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Re: [LU] Spuds

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Not true Mike. The commentary I listened to were lambasting our inability to 
defend.
Nick
On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 06:55:15 AM EST, Michael Benjamin 
 wrote:  
 
 John,
I think a lot put themselves up a tree and haven't the balls to admit it and 
climb down
Every commentator has nothing but praise


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Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2022 1:24:41 PM
To: seanscr...@aol.com 
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: Re: [LU] Spuds

I don’t think most people who see Marsch’s tactics as hopeless are saying that 
because he’s American, it’s because his tactics are naive. And most Leeds fans 
I know arn’t even dreaming about a Bielsa return - that period is done and 
dusted!

It is inevitable that Marsch will go this season - wrong man, wrong job, so the 
‘process’ will need to be followed. We have some decent players who, with the 
right management, could do much better than is currently the case. A manager 
who brings on Luke Ayling to shore up the defence demonstrates all too clearly 
his limitations!

Of course if VAR had spotted the Meslier foul things would have been different, 
but our defending is so tactically naive who would have bet on getting some 
points even if that goal had been disallowed?

Groundhog Day for the next 12 months? Hopefully not!



Sent from my iPad

> On 13 Nov 2022, at 10:52, seanscribe--- via Leedslist  
> wrote:
>
> Gotta say I am so sick of the anti-American "bring back Bielsa" bullshit on 
> this list. It's finally time to say something. Bielsa was taking us down. He 
> was an incredible manager for a mid-level Championship team because he had 
> the ability to (a) improve the team's professionalism and attitude (b) 
> improve their fitness to almost superhuman levels (at some cost to the 
> players' long-term health) and (c) play with tactics that Championship 
> managers weren't used to facing. But that only worked to a lesser degree in 
> the Premier League, where (a) everyone is super-professional, (b) everyone is 
> super-fit and (c) the managers are the best in the world (and so are the 
> players). By last season the players were done and we were dropping like a 
> stone back towards the Championship, getting absolutely hammered every week. 
> Marsch rescued us. It wasn't pretty, but it worked.
> The reason Spurs scored one more goal than us yesterday is that their first 
> goal was the result of two blatant fouls: one by the goalscorer Harry Kane 
> pushing Tyler Adams (in much the same way that Bamford did against Arsenal, 
> except that Bamford was penalized and Kane wasn't); and the second on 
> Meslier, who was pushed into the back of his net and then sat upon, 
> preventing him from being in position to actually save Kane's shot. I would 
> argue that this was classic "big six refereeing," in which the Premier League 
> feels invested in ensuring that the six clubs around which it bases its 
> global marketing remain competitive for the top spots in the league 
> throughout the season. Kane was also helped by a long tradition in the 
> Premier League of granting the England captain more leeway than other players 
> (going back at least to Alan Shearer kicking opponents in the head and 
> getting away with it). Oh, and Spurs' fourth goal came from a throw-in given 
> to them when the ball clearly came off the leg of a Spurs player.
> All the anti-Americans said Marsch's football wouldn't score goals. We've 
> outscored our opponents 9-8 in the last three games. It wouldn't win games, 
> they said. We've won two of our last three and were in position to win the 
> third with fewer than ten minutes to go. It wouldn't be exciting, they said. 
> If you haven't found the last three games exciting, maybe you should take up 
> skydiving instead.
> Yes, our defence is a problem. I would argue a major factor behind that is 
> that Bielsa's hand-picked left back, Junior Firpo, is crap. Marsch realizes 
> this and doesn't play him, which, because we are so weak in that position, 
> means we have to play arguably our best centre-half as left back. Until the 
> club spend some money on very good defenders, we're probably going to 
> continue to suffer results like yesterday on a regular or semi-regular basis.
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Greg Adams 
> To: Leeds List 
> Sent: Sat, Nov 12, 2022 12:14 pm
> Subject: [LU] Spuds
>
> Well, that was great. We had a big chance of getting something today,
> but stupid, naive defending gifted the spuds enough chances which they
> finally took.
>
> We were second best, but some good play by individuals gave us a
> chance.  Spurs were there for the taking, but no team can defend like
> that against any PL team, let alone a so-called top six one. This team
> does not know how to defend. The first two goals were the result of
> sloppy play by us.  I did not see the third and fourth.
>
> It's 

Re: [LU] Spuds

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Yeah it is all anti-American. Fuck me.
Nick
On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 05:53:00 AM EST, seanscribe--- via 
Leedslist  wrote:  
 
 Gotta say I am so sick of the anti-American "bring back Bielsa" bullshit on 
this list. It's finally time to say something. Bielsa was taking us down. He 
was an incredible manager for a mid-level Championship team because he had the 
ability to (a) improve the team's professionalism and attitude (b) improve 
their fitness to almost superhuman levels (at some cost to the players' 
long-term health) and (c) play with tactics that Championship managers weren't 
used to facing. But that only worked to a lesser degree in the Premier League, 
where (a) everyone is super-professional, (b) everyone is super-fit and (c) the 
managers are the best in the world (and so are the players). By last season the 
players were done and we were dropping like a stone back towards the 
Championship, getting absolutely hammered every week. Marsch rescued us. It 
wasn't pretty, but it worked. 
The reason Spurs scored one more goal than us yesterday is that their first 
goal was the result of two blatant fouls: one by the goalscorer Harry Kane 
pushing Tyler Adams (in much the same way that Bamford did against Arsenal, 
except that Bamford was penalized and Kane wasn't); and the second on Meslier, 
who was pushed into the back of his net and then sat upon, preventing him from 
being in position to actually save Kane's shot. I would argue that this was 
classic "big six refereeing," in which the Premier League feels invested in 
ensuring that the six clubs around which it bases its global marketing remain 
competitive for the top spots in the league throughout the season. Kane was 
also helped by a long tradition in the Premier League of granting the England 
captain more leeway than other players (going back at least to Alan Shearer 
kicking opponents in the head and getting away with it). Oh, and Spurs' fourth 
goal came from a throw-in given to them when the ball clearly came off the leg 
of a Spurs player.
All the anti-Americans said Marsch's football wouldn't score goals. We've 
outscored our opponents 9-8 in the last three games. It wouldn't win games, 
they said. We've won two of our last three and were in position to win the 
third with fewer than ten minutes to go. It wouldn't be exciting, they said. If 
you haven't found the last three games exciting, maybe you should take up 
skydiving instead.
Yes, our defence is a problem. I would argue a major factor behind that is that 
Bielsa's hand-picked left back, Junior Firpo, is crap. Marsch realizes this and 
doesn't play him, which, because we are so weak in that position, means we have 
to play arguably our best centre-half as left back. Until the club spend some 
money on very good defenders, we're probably going to continue to suffer 
results like yesterday on a regular or semi-regular basis. 





-Original Message-
From: Greg Adams 
To: Leeds List 
Sent: Sat, Nov 12, 2022 12:14 pm
Subject: [LU] Spuds

Well, that was great. We had a big chance of getting something today, 
but stupid, naive defending gifted the spuds enough chances which they 
finally took.

We were second best, but some good play by individuals gave us a 
chance.  Spurs were there for the taking, but no team can defend like 
that against any PL team, let alone a so-called top six one. This team 
does not know how to defend. The first two goals were the result of 
sloppy play by us.  I did not see the third and fourth.

It's time to let the clown go.  His 'tactics' are a joke. There are 
enough decent players in the squad for us to be much better than this. 
Just look at how many times there are three Leeds players pressing one 
opponent and still do not win the ball or stop the player from playing 
the ball out.  It's already been pointed out by many on this list that 
we are easy to attack out wide,yet we persist with two midfielders - one 
of whom is useless defensively and the other is permanently in headless 
chicken mode.

Ah, fuck it. I'm too pissed off.  I want this guy and his penisball 
out.  Hopefully we can find someone who at least has a clue of how to 
manage in a top rated league.

Bring back Bielsa.


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Re: [LU] Meslier - Spurs

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 7 from 33 is a bad return
Nick
On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 10:58:35 AM EST, Nick 
 wrote:  
 
 Having just watched the MOTD playback, I just wanted to express some sympathy 
for our Keeper, the records show he let 4 in, when in reality there was nothing 
he could do about the first 3:

1 - a clear foul - that it is not even (apparently) looked at by VAR is 
ludicrous, especially when you consider Bamford’s disallowed effort vs Arsenal 
3 weeks ago.

2 - having moved across the goal to cover the first effort, there is a 
clearance that falls to some guy in 10 yards of space on the edge of the box, 
his shot goes beyond Meslier, moving back across goal when Rasmus on the line 
tries to clear it, kicks it into Meslier and that bounces into the goal

3 - a deflected shot (when the guy should been closed down again).


Feel real sorry for the keeper.

Still, 6 points from those 3 games is not a bad return.

Nick
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Re: [LU] Last 7 games

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Madness. He hasn't a clue what he is doing. Terrible tactics, Team so easy to 
bypass. Looks lost on the sidelines. We have had a relatively easy time of it 
fixtures wise this season and are in the relegation zone. Has to go.
Nick
On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 06:49:30 PM EDT, Alec McQueen 
 wrote:  
 
 Sean
That’s where I am right now… it’s clear JM has made mistakes, he is not 
blameless for our current position, but he also did ok in the first few games 
of the season (and at the end of last season!). 

We should not have short memories because we are on a poor run. We need to give 
JM at least until the January window… if we haven’t won another game by then, 
then I might also be in the JM out camp. But until then we need to be patient. 


Sent from my iPad

> On 23 Oct 2022, at 01:30, seanscr...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Dave,
> 
> It's absolutely NOT Marsch's fault "that we have no left back worthy of a 
> first team place and are still relying on an unfit Bamford or a failed 
> Rodrigo up top." Just a reminder to all the Marsch-haters (and closet 
> anti-Americans): Our useless left-back Junior Firpo, our failure of a 
> record-breaking signing Rodrigo and our injury-prone penalty-missing 
> centre-forward Bamford were ALL signings approved by, and signed during the 
> reign of, Marcelo Bielsa. Just about every Leeds United supporter and Leeds 
> United beat reporter (Phil Hay, Graham Smyth, James Marshment, etc.) was 
> saying all summer transfer window that we needed a reliable goalscoring 
> striker and a left-back. The club has even acknowledged trying to sign CDK 
> and Gapko (before the desperation purchase of Gnonto on the last day of the 
> window). There's no evidence that (unlike some recent managers) Marsch was 
> insisting on having a tiny squad, let along telling the board not to buy a 
> centre-forward and a left-back. (Bear in mind also that of the four players 
> who can play in that position, three - Dallas, Struijk and Hjelde - are 
> injured/recovering from an appendectomy. On current form I would put Firpo 
> behind all three on the "depth chart" in that position.)
> 
> It's reasonable to cast a harsh light on Marsch for his team selection versus 
> Leicester, the tactics and the lack of a Plan B (hmmm, where have we heard 
> that before?), but it's completely unfair to blame him for big money 
> purchases that the club failed to make in the window.
> 
> I continue to believe that if just a couple of the turning points in recent 
> matches (e.g. the ref's failure to send off Saliba for his pull-back on 
> Bamford; the missed penalty versus Arsenal, etc.) had gone our way, we'd be 
> having a totally different conversation. But I also realize that it's got to 
> go our way soon or not at all (for Jesse). 
> 
> On the plus side, how long before Mateo Joseph and Sonny Perkins are ready to 
> step up a level? Joseph just scored his third hat-trick in eight league games 
> for our top-of-the-table unbeaten Under-21s.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Sean
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: nattan--- via Leedslist 
> To: Robert Heath ; Alec McQueen 
> Cc: Leeds List 2010 
> Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2022 5:51 am
> Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games
> 
> I get what you are saying and you do have a point. It is not JMs fault that v 
> Arsenal  Rodrigo gave away a goal and that Bamford missed a penalty.  Equally 
> individual errors ( Roca this week, Cooper v Palace,  Llorente nightmare v 
> Brentford) have cost us other games/ points and that is down to the players 
> BUT some errors are down to the system, we are so easy to play against- fire 
> a ball over midfield into the corner and you create chances , - that is the 
> manager's fault.  Equally the fact that we have no left back worthy of a 
> first team place and are still relying on an unfit Bamford or a failed 
> Rodrigo up top is his fault 
> Even when it works well our lack of a cutting edge means we get nothing when 
> we are on top in a match and our soft underbelly means our opponents always 
> have a chance.
> We have had on paper a reasonably easy run of fixtures- only Arsenal and 
> Chelsea of top 5 clubs and played all the bottom clubs.  Things are looking 
> dodgy 
> Do I want him sacked ? No , I want him to put a run of good results together 
> and get us up the table and build on it , but I really cant see that 
> happening. 
> I will be cheering him and the team on on Sunday but I expect the first of 
> the Marsch out chants if we go behind ( oddly last match we were discussing 
> who was the last manager who got the " out" chants. Never happened to Bielsa, 
>  Heckingbottom sacked before we had chance,  ditto Christensen,  Monk we 
> wanted to stay,  Evans was unpopular but crowd never turned, Rosler, milanic 
> , hockaday all too short lived, Redders popular, same generally with 
> McDermott,  so did we chant Warnock out ? If not it would be Grayson,  dont 
> recall chants,  so McAllister is the last one I can remember for 

Re: [LU] Last 7 games

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 They are now. 
Nick
On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 07:25:37 PM EDT, Richard Naef 
 wrote:  
 
 Agree, things aren't as bleak as they seemed after Leicester or as great as 
after Chelsea or Arsenal

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of seanscribe--- via 
Leedslist
Sent: 22 October 2022 15:31
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org; heathpalai...@gmail.com; alec...@gmail.com
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games

Dave,
It's absolutely NOT Marsch's fault "that we have no left back worthy of a first 
team place and are still relying on an unfit Bamford or a failed Rodrigo up 
top." Just a reminder to all the Marsch-haters (and closet anti-Americans): Our 
useless left-back Junior Firpo, our failure of a record-breaking signing 
Rodrigo and our injury-prone penalty-missing centre-forward Bamford were ALL 
signings approved by, and signed during the reign of, Marcelo Bielsa. Just 
about every Leeds United supporter and Leeds United beat reporter (Phil Hay, 
Graham Smyth, James Marshment, etc.) was saying all summer transfer window that 
we needed a reliable goalscoring striker and a left-back. The club has even 
acknowledged trying to sign CDK and Gapko (before the desperation purchase of 
Gnonto on the last day of the window). There's no evidence that (unlike some 
recent managers) Marsch was insisting on having a tiny squad, let along telling 
the board not to buy a centre-forward and a left-back. (Bear in mind also that 
of the four players who can play in that position, three - Dallas, Struijk and 
Hjelde - are injured/recovering from an appendectomy. On current form I would 
put Firpo behind all three on the "depth chart" in that position.) It's 
reasonable to cast a harsh light on Marsch for his team selection versus 
Leicester, the tactics and the lack of a Plan B (hmmm, where have we heard that 
before?), but it's completely unfair to blame him for big money purchases that 
the club failed to make in the window.
I continue to believe that if just a couple of the turning points in recent 
matches (e.g. the ref's failure to send off Saliba for his pull-back on 
Bamford; the missed penalty versus Arsenal, etc.) had gone our way, we'd be 
having a totally different conversation. But I also realize that it's got to go 
our way soon or not at all (for Jesse). On the plus side, how long before Mateo 
Joseph and Sonny Perkins are ready to step up a level? Joseph just scored his 
third hat-trick in eight league games for our top-of-the-table unbeaten 
Under-21s.
Cheers!
Sean

-Original Message-
From: nattan--- via Leedslist 
To: Robert Heath ; Alec McQueen 
Cc: Leeds List 2010 
Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2022 5:51 am
Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games

 I get what you are saying and you do have a point. It is not JMs fault that v 
Arsenal  Rodrigo gave away a goal and that Bamford missed a penalty.  Equally 
individual errors ( Roca this week, Cooper v Palace,  Llorente nightmare v 
Brentford) have cost us other games/ points and that is down to the players BUT 
some errors are down to the system, we are so easy to play against- fire a ball 
over midfield into the corner and you create chances , - that is the manager's 
fault.  Equally the fact that we have no left back worthy of a first team place 
and are still relying on an unfit Bamford or a failed Rodrigo up top is his 
fault Even when it works well our lack of a cutting edge means we get nothing 
when we are on top in a match and our soft underbelly means our opponents 
always have a chance.
We have had on paper a reasonably easy run of fixtures- only Arsenal and 
Chelsea of top 5 clubs and played all the bottom clubs.  Things are looking 
dodgy Do I want him sacked ? No , I want him to put a run of good results 
together and get us up the table and build on it , but I really cant see that 
happening. I will be cheering him and the team on on Sunday but I expect the 
first of the Marsch out chants if we go behind ( oddly last match we were 
discussing who was the last manager who got the " out" chants. Never happened 
to Bielsa,  Heckingbottom sacked before we had chance,  ditto Christensen,  
Monk we wanted to stay,  Evans was unpopular but crowd never turned, Rosler, 
milanic , hockaday all too short lived, Redders popular, same generally with 
McDermott,  so did we chant Warnock out ? If not it would be Grayson,  dont 
recall chants,  so McAllister is the last one I can remember for sure getting 
the " out " chant ? Personally the last (?only) one I chanted about was 
Adamson, to the extent that if anyone says Adamson I say at ,east in my head 
"out" 

Tricky times at ER


Dave     On Friday, 21 October 2022, 21:00:09 BST, Alec McQueen 
 wrote:  
 
 I think we are being harsh on Marsch. He is trying to mould a new team, a new 
squad, a new playing style… I think it is clear to see that he is not yet happy 
with what is happening on the pitch… we need to give this guy a chance. The 
team has shown glimpses of what it is capable 

Re: [LU] Bottom of the league

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Crazy...really didn't take much time did it? Never took to the bloke from the 
start TBH, but maybe because I live in the States and are surrounded by these 
twats all the time.
Nick
On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 03:59:53 AM EDT, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Agreed Nick - abject is the word, and listening to Marsch going on about 
‘stopping the bleeding’ etc doesn’t make me think he has any clue what to do. I 
still think, maybe naively, that we have some good players, but Marsch’s system 
is a key problem. That said Firpo & Christensen currently seem like 
Championship players at best, although Rasmus was excellent against Arsenal. 
Not convinced by Roca either, 

For all the talk about needing a forward and left back, which we do, the 
midfield is where we lose the battle, and that is chiefly down to Marsch’s 
tactics.

We need a fresh approach - the love affair is over as the fans at Leicester 
made very clear!

Sent from my iPad

> On 21 Oct 2022, at 08:44, Nick  wrote:
> 
> Well, that was abject.
> 
> Adams tackled a lot. Aaronson had a go. Sinisterra tried when given the ball. 
> Meslier didn’t do much wrong. 
> 
> Marsch looks like a beaten man.
> 
> I think we have some players who could make a go of this, but not with these 
> game plans. Play narrow, teams go round the outside - witness their second, 
> very good goal - good from their point of view, but defensively, not a 
> getting a tackle in as the ball goes through 5 passes over 80 yards...
> 
> Fuck sake.
> 
> Nick
> 
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Re: [LU] Arsenal

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 Thanks Dave!!
On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 07:39:58 AM EDT, nattan--- via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 What a crazy afternoon,  this game had it all really.
All the fans near me agreed beforehand that we would probably lose 3 or 4 and 
some discussion as to whether Marsch is under real pressure, especially given 
Angus Kinnears programme notes saying the second half v palace was unacceptable 
When they went off after 23 seconds we all agreed we had had a good start, and 
then the black humour started " let's call it a draw" , then 45 mins later " we 
are doing better than expected still 0 0 after 45 mins etc" . There was also 
general discontent with the reason for the delay. Why not just agree to play 
without VAR and goal line technology like the good old days?
When we did start properly Sinisterra created for himself 2 great shots that 
went either side of the post, a corner brought a scramble and good stop fro 
from their keeper.  At the other end they blasted their only effort over the 
bar. We were holding on without being under pressure but were being pulled all 
over the place chasing the ball. They looked a better team than us. Then the 
moment of madness that ultimately lost us the game. A stupid and ridiculous 
pass by Rodrigo ( he has used up all my patience- get rid , he will never come 
good) put the otherwise excellent Struik in a real mess and they got the ball 
and Saka finished  really well from a difficult angle , good goal but created 
by us. We huffed and puffed a bit , but the general feeling was keep it to one 
goal and change things at half time 
Thankfully we managed that and what a transformation it was - we battered them 
second half and most of the credit for that must go to Bamford,  but we failed 
to score and most of the criticism of that must also go to Bamford.  I have 
just read a statistic that Bamford,  despite only having 30%  of the available 
minutes,  has missed more clear golden opportunities than any other premiership 
striker, many of whom have played near enough 100% .
The good Bamford,  he really put then under pressure and linked up well with 
the midfield and other attackers so that Sinnisterra and aaranson could run 
Arsenal ragged as we created chances and half chances.  He did put the ball in 
the net very quickly but it looked a clear push from my viewpoint,  less 
obvious on TV. He did not quite connect with a couple of other shots but looked 
threatening throughout. The pen was clear handball but play carried on for ages 
( they had an attack) before it was announced VAR was checking.  As the ref 
went over Bamford picked up the ball and carried it the length of the pitch to 
the penalty spot , all the time being followed by an Arsenal playing chipping 
away at him, then when the pen was given Arsenal players surrounded the ref and 
further delayed things. We all felt at that point Bamford should have given the 
ball to someone else but he took it and made the unforgivable sin of missing 
the target 
To be fair he and the whole team kept going with their keeper having to save 
from aaronson and then a great move gave Summerville his chance of glory but he 
fired well over  - a bad miss.
With regards the other subs why take off a winger Harrison,  for a centre 
midfielder,  Klich , only minutes later with no change to the scoreline , then 
take off a centre mid Roca to bring on a winger,  Summerville? Why not either a 
double sub or 2 like for like subs ( the answer according to my son is that " 
marsch is a clueless twat " a bit harsh in my opinion)Then came the final 
moment of madness Bamford is blocked by the centre half who goes to the deck 
very easily and kicks out at Paddy who also takes a dive but then jumps up ( 
remembering his dive in the villa fracas and subsequent ban? )Ref gives red 
card and a penalty,  Bamford gets the ball to take it, we all shout " no paddy 
give it someone else) the Arsenal players surround and hector the ref to 
consult VAR . Result no pen, no red. At the time my view was Bamford pushed him 
and he kicked Paddy so a red but no penalty,  having seen the kick on TV I can 
see why it is only a yellow.
So an eventful game to say the least and whilst beforehand 1 0 may have seemed 
ok , the way the game went we deserved all 3 points in a 3 or even 4 1 win. So 
bitterly disappointed  but to quote the old cliche " lots to be pleased about 
and lots up build on"Hopefully that is true , certainly if we play like that we 
should beat Leicester and Fulham but will we play like that ? 2 bad results 
this week could see the end of Jesse? 2 wins and suddenly we are comfy in mid 
table .
Need Bamford to find his scoring touch and to get the ball to Sinisterra as 
often as possible ( he looks a real talent)
So a great performance but in a results business,
Dave 
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Re: [LU] Papa johns

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

I thought so too. He was always a threat.
Nick


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On Thursday, October 6, 2022, 9:43 AM, seanscribe--- via Leedslist 
 wrote:

Gnonto played very well! His close control is excellent, he's always looking 
for the right pass or an opportunity to shoot, and his attitude is refreshingly 
positive. 


-Original Message-
From: nattan--- via Leedslist 
To: leeds list 
Sent: Thu, Oct 6, 2022 7:19 am
Subject: [LU] Papa johns

Good 5 3 away win at Tranmere the other night, Perkins and Josep just cant stop 
scoring for u21s, and nice to  see Joffy weighing in with 2 excellent  finishes 
. Drameh got the other 
Gnonto is pretty much invisible in the brief highlights 
Dave 
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Re: [LU] Villains

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 I am very concerned about the lack of movement. Everything seems so static. 
Bielsa's team also played out from the back but there was constant motion in 
front of the defence to create the opportunity to move the ball. Now we just 
seem to stand still and wait for the punt forward. Maybe on TV I am not seeing 
the movement but it appears that way.
Nick
On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 07:08:43 AM EDT, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Pretty accurate assessment - it was definitely up there in terms of worst 
games (both sides included) I’ve seen in many a year. Marsch now knows how 
teams who are battling will play at Elland Rd - diving, wasting time, nagging 
the ref etc. We have to try and play some football! The continual playing it 
across the backline only for Cooper/Meslier to hoof it long underscores our 
lack of creativity playing from the back. Much as Llorente has been a defensive 
liability of late, he breaks forward well, as does Struijk if at centre back. 
That is a problem that needs working on. 

I absolve none of the players for sinking down to Villa’s depths yesterday - 
apart from maybe Bamford who we desperately need to be involved from the start 
of games. The ref was poor, but we aided and abetted our own demise. Ditto the 
fans, who’s constant singing of ‘Tyrone Mings - f***ing sh*t’ must have been 
music to their ears! 

Sinisterra looked the only likely one to break the deadlock, so to see him fall 
foul of a nit-picking referee like that was infuriating, but just about 
summarised the afternoon.

We got a point when we may have got beaten so that was good.

Finally, and I know this will not be a universally held view, but the time for 
a player to be sacrificed against Villa has come - by sacrificed I mean they 
should cripple McGinn! That f***er is going to end someone’s career before 
long, and we need to get our retaliation in first. I don’t mean just foul him 
either - broken leg/legs - he’s a twat who needs sorting out! 

Love, peace and United :-) 


> On 3 Oct 2022, at 10:27, nattan--- via Leedslist  wrote:
> 
> Well you can add Villa to Everton and Wolves to the list of teams who , if 
> they were playing in my garden I would draw the curtains rather than watch.
> This was a real game of two halves and both were terrible in different ways.
> Villa showed in the first minute what their game plan was, waste time, take 
> minutes out of the match, dive, whinge , play act and get at the ref.  First 
> free kick of the game and one of theirs kicks the ball from the half way line 
> to behind our goal after the whistle has blown, the inept ref has a quiet 
> word, no card. Later Pantomime villain ( pun intended) Mings, picks the ball 
> up to take a free kick then leaves it , then goes back to it , all just time 
> wasting and killing the game. Add the fact that they rolled around after 
> every tackle and they were constantly at the ref and you get the general 
> impression that they were not here to play football. 
> We did nothing to help ourselves in the main because we got involved in all 
> the petty squabbles and mini vendettas, rather than playing football 
> When we did play, Sinisterra looked a real handful and Roca pulled the 
> strings. Having said that  a thunderbolt by the otherwise poor Rodrigo that 
> flew just wide and a cross into the 6 yd box that he just failed to get on 
> the end of was all we had to show for a turgid first half.  Villa had 2 or 3 
> breakaways saved / smothered by Mes.
> On the concourse at half time I heard one lad say " that's the worst game I 
> have ever seen" . I am sure I have seen worse but it was dire.
> Second half and all to play for till stupidity by Sini cost us the chance of 
> 3 points. Having seen it on TV it was a ridiculous thing to do and many refs 
> would give a yellow,  though more would have given a warning rather than a 
> second yellow however ' wrong' that may be.  So down to 10 and suddenly Villa 
> woke up and wanted to take things quickly and get on with the game. As it 
> wore on it was almost the old kids game, attack v defence, and thankfully 
> with some resolute defending, profligate finishing, good saves and the help 
> of the woodwork, we held on and almost nicked a goal at the death when 
> Bamford,  looking good when he came on, nearly laid on a finish for Klich. It 
> was relief and some cheers at the end though mainly drowned out by boos and 
> insults at the ref. An awful game
> A special word for the incompetent referee.  All second half my mate said " 
> this must be one of those new refs who haven't a clue " I agreed saying I had 
> heard that lots of refs retired at the end of last season  and the Prem had 
> new , even less able referees.  Imagine my surprise then to see it was not 
> some unknown newbie making his debut and alternating between having no clue / 
>  no control and making himself the centre of attention,  but in fact Stuart 
> Attwell  a seasoned ref at this level - a 

Re: [LU] LU-ivid!

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 All men have secrets and here is mine
On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 05:21:15 PM EDT, Shane Larkin 
 wrote:  
 
 Yes - but what difference does  it make it ……. ALAW

On Sun 25 Sep 2022 at 22:03, Robert Heath  wrote:

> Is anybody else furious, irate and seething with anger over the fact that
> we have suddenly had our season put on hold for a month (just a few weeks
> before we're going to have it put on hold for another month)?!
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Re: [LU] WhatsApp: Bringing (them ) Home

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 You don't have to see it. Just mute it and read when you want. That's what I 
do.
Nick
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 04:22:09 AM EDT, Peter Castlehouse 
 wrote:  
 
 Considered it, joined then changed my mind.  WhatsApp would be lighting up my 
phone at northern hemispheric times, completely at odds with my sleep routine.

Thanks but nah 

Pete C

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From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Michael Benjamin
Sent: Saturday, 10 September 2022 6:09 PM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] WhatsApp: Bringing (them ) Home


To all those who left-come back !!
To all those who might consider it


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Re: [LU] Long live our noble queen (not any more)

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 Yes I hope they return too. I have read some things on this list , the 
WhatsApp group etc that i detested, but still here for the football. MOT!
Nick
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 04:33:13 PM EDT, Rafael Tito de Morais 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi all! 
Long time since I posted last time… Some 20 years ago 浪

I was on the excellent digest for most of these years - until the WhatsApp chat 
& Facebook group got started a few years ago.

Like many of us I saw them as logical steps in modernising communication whilst 
not disrespecting 30 years (!!) of Leedslisting, and joined. 

Have had a great time on them since.
 
Now read that Richard & Verner chose to leave - I hope you guys can find a way 
back on, cos’ your input on anything Leeds is highly valued!

Rgds.
/Raffe 


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> On 9 Sep 2022, at 14:51, errand.fivefold--- via Leedslist 
>  wrote:
> 
>   I know what you are saying and you are 100% correct.
>  I just couldn't believe some of the bile.
>  Life is too short.
>  Best wishes,
>  Verner
> 
>  On 9 Sept 2022 13:24, Michael Benjamin  wrote:
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>  I A have learned a never leave & donat ask for expulsions.
>  Just do not give in
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>  A
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>                          DrA  Michael Benjamin,
>                          Community Psychiatrist.
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>  To: Richard Walker 
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>  Subject: Re: [LU] Long live our noble queen (not any more)
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>  I too left the WhatsApp list.
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>  Truly disgusted me.A
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>  On 9 Sept 2022 12:17, Richard Walker via Leedslist
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>    Agree Mike. I've taken myself off the WhatsApp due to people on
>    there thinking they are funny, making jokes about the queen's death.
>    Unbelievable really but that's what we've become.A
>    A A A  On Friday, 9 September 2022 at 11:06:30 BST, Michael Benjamin
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>    Simply gob-smacked by that ridiculous remark.
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>    Community Psychiatrist.
>    Oranit,
>    ISRAEL
> 
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>    -Original Message-
>    From: Leedslist <[10]leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> On Behalf Of
>    Robert Heath
>    Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 12:51 PM
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>    Subject: [LU] Long live our noble queen (not any more)
> 
>    I can't believe in all this sycophantic fawning over the Chief
>    Parasite they have not mentioned the greatest day in her
>    life.8 May,
>    1972 when she got to shake hands with Billy Bremner!
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Re: [LU] Fwd: Shoot the Chelsea scum

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 One thing I think you could never doubt with Harrison was his work ethic.
Nick
On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 06:49:56 AM EDT, Nick 
 wrote:  
 
 Thanks Dave - agree with all that.

Can we just take a moment to appreciate Jack Harrison, he’s had some wobbles 
over the years with Leeds, some real high points along the way, but at the 
moment he seems to be consistently a much better player, a greater threat to 
opponents and have a much better work ethic. It is fantastic to see.

Nick

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: nattan--- via Leedslist 
> Subject: [LU] Shoot the Chelsea scum
> Date: 22 August 2022 at 11:12:30 BST
> To: leeds list 
> Reply-To: "nat...@sky.com" 
> 
> Well we certainly shot them down yesterday.  As the new saying goes " beware 
> the sides of Marsch" That was as good as it gets, and should be a sea change 
> in our attitude towards Marsch - lots still resent him for not being Bielsa 
> but if we play like we did v chelsae he will be a fine replacement for the 
> great manPre game I wondered how the crowd would re- act to another beating 
> at the hands of the top six,  would we cheer them fron the rafters as we 
> always did under MB or would we turn like we did v Villa ?In the event it was 
> a question we would not need answers to. This was the day we became Jesse 
> Marsch's team and I liked it 
> We were all action, all the time , with good moves and good football thrown 
> in, in front of an old fashioned English crowd - lets hope we never lose that 
> edge on the terraces 
> A dodgy start saw Sterling waltz through the defence and blast wide in the 
> first few minutes, then our Achilles heel come to the fore as twice they had 
> a spare man wide, thankfully when they found their shooting boots the flag 
> and then Mesliers long arms saved us from going behind.
> Then roared on by the crowd , cheering every tackle , we began to dominate 
> and take control,  knocking them off their stride and rattling them. They 
> could not cope with our intensity , Adams who was superb,  buzzed around and 
> was here there and everywhere ably supported by Aaronson who put in a real 
> shift and Jackie H. Roca added a bit of poise to the madness.
> The first goal - not an own goal Tuchel you whinging,  moaning,  lying bad 
> loser- was great and will happen again.  Aaronson gave the keeper no time as 
> he chased him down took the ball off him and rolled it into an empty net.  
> The crowd loved it , it was better than a 40 yarder! 
> A few minutes later a lovely bit of skill by Struik,  not the answer but 
> growing into the left back position,  ended with the ball being fed to Roca. 
> As he went down and the yellow card came out , I thought  " stimulation  " 
> but the card was for their player and the free kick was ours. A lovely cross 
> in and there was Rod to head home , brilliant,  and a goal he would never 
> have scored last season.  As my son said , as the Moreno chant echoed round, 
> why did we persevere with Rodrigo when we had this Moreno chap all along. He 
> really does look a different person 
> At 2 up we started to believe but last week v Southampton was st the back of 
> our minds.
> Chelsea when we thought they would come out second half all guns blazing , 
> still could not get a foothold as Koch, lloremte, Struik and Kristensen stood 
> firm. Meslier making the odd save to keep himself involved.  
> The 3rd when it came was majestic and the icing on  the cake - nice ball to 
> James,  cross fell to Rod whose shot,  going wide was pounced on at full 
> stretch by Harrison. Then we knew we were winning this. The crowd roared,  
> chanted and applauded their heroics as Marsch learning from last week made 
> the subs, Forshaw for the tiring Roca to firm things up, Klich to add steel 
> and guile and cleverness,  then Sinisterra and Joffy to add the unexpected,  
> Joffy again making a difference this time flicking the ball over his head, 
> laying it off and being thrown to the floor as he went for the return pass- 
> 2nd yellow and off the Chelsea lad went, " with time to go" ringing in his 
> ears 
> The final whistle brought more cheers as I predict a riot blasted out with 
> 36,000 voices joining in. What a game, what an atmosphere what a result.  
> Well worth the hassle of delayed trains and early start on a Sunday
> If this is what we have to look forward to under Marsch then bring it on. 
> It's not Bielsaball but it is fun nonetheless and he could be a worthy 
> successor on the pitch.  This could be the game when we accept Bielsa is gone 
> and we get 100% behind the new manager,  to be honest it's the least he 
> deserves if we keep playing like this .
> As fans we ask for 100% commitment and effort, we are certainly getting both 
> this season 
> 
> So brilliant stuff and will send me on my holidays with a smile in my face ( 
> missing Barnsley and Everton - here's hoping for a cup run and 3more home 
> points)So we have 7pts from 3 games that brought only 

Re: [LU] Villa

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 Mings is truly an awful defender. Total old school with zero brain.
Nick
On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 01:40:19 AM EDT, nattan--- via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 
Daft enough ( or just missing lufc?) to get up a 5am to watch the game Decent 
enough , we look disjointed at times but with 5 players who were not at ER last 
season - Adams, Aaronson, Roca, Christensen snd leif Davies, what do you expect 
Ref appalling - gave them a penalty when did not even touch his hand but Mes 
rescued us with amazing double save and then another when Watkins clean through.
Adams and Roca both look decent - Bamford feeding on scraps, James can’t finish 
( who knew) - Villa very ‘ robust ‘ at times
Ok game after slow start 0-0 at half time , about fair though they shading it 
with a settled side
Lots of subs expected at ht and later but reasonable performance though never 
like to read anything into pre season friendlies - we battered Blackpool but 
looked dodgy in win v Roar.
We are defending corners well ( kiss of death?)
Dave 



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Re: [LU] Watford /Jesse

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 Well said that man.
Nick
On Sunday, April 10, 2022, 12:12:12 PM EDT, Scott1cairns1 
 wrote:  
 
 I feel like without Marcelo our potential has taken a massive blow. We 
could’ve soared in every aspect on the field in our hearts.
 Clinging on to our premiership status to become another Burnley struggling 
every season. 
Dont get me wrong I will follow the club wherever or whoever they play but I 
can’t help feeling that magic of MB has gone. 
Who amongst us wouldnt have preferred to watch us playing as we have over the 
last two years in the championship. 
So far so good. With JM. 
But I feel like staying up without the big man is somewhat pyrrhic. 
#still hurting.

Best regards,Scott. 

> On 10 Apr 2022, at 15:00, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Totally agree Dave.
> It’s all about results now and for that you can not criticise Marsch however 
> as I said on the WhatsApp group yesterday, if this is Marsch’s idea of good 
> football then I can’t see a great future for him. His mentor is not 
> impressing at Scum either.
> Yesterday, at times (first 15 mins of 2nd half) we were terrible and I mean 
> terrible. Incapable of stringing 2 passes together and every time we got the 
> ball we gave it away. They missed a glorious chance and were the better side 
> during that period. It was really depressing to see us concede possession so 
> easily. We didn’t look anything like a Bielsa pass and move team. 
> On the plus side I thought all 3 of the subs made an impact and we finished 
> strong.
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> On Sunday, April 10, 2022, 11:46 am, nattan--- via Leedslist 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> As we all agree 10pms from 12 is amazing and we are / should be happy But … 
> if you analyse the games things are nowhere near as rosy.2 wins came against 
> the bottom 2 teams - one we needed a last minute winner , the other looks 
> comfortable but needed an awful miss at 1-0 and was against a team who have 
> lost their last 8 home games ( the first time in our entire history we have 
> played opposition with that poor a record)Then Wolves at 2 down we were dead 
> and buried and looking at a 4or 5 hammering, full credit to the players for 
> their commitment but it relied on a sending off and them totally collapsing 
> Southampton- a boring draw v a team who had lost their previous 4 games and 
> followed our game with a 0-6 rout at home 
> So yes 10 from 4 games is title winning stuff but let’s not pretend jesse has 
> turned us into world beaters
> Still a bit worried by Burnley, looking at each game coming up they are 
> capable of winning each one but for them to win 4 on the bounce (inc  
> Everton) when they have only won that many (approx) all season is surely too 
> much 
> Watford and Norwich are down
> So happy - yes I am - but not ecstatic and still some nerves
> A Norwich win today and we can breath a lot easier 
> Dave 
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Re: [LU] Watford

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 Obviously results are the be all and end all but I totally agree with this "I 
still do't agree with the sacking of Bielsa and no manager will ever be held in 
the same regard as far as I am  concerned", it will never be the same for me 
but I was lucky to see it (if never in person!).
Nick
On Saturday, April 9, 2022, 12:39:01 PM EDT, nattan--- via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 It was a hard watch but what a great result especially as scum had let us down 
earlier.  We were lucky they were dreadful throughout and missed a sitter at 
1-0 that could have changed the whole complexion but that is picking fault,  we 
needed to win and that is what we didWeird that we all think we are safe 
whereas in reality we are relying on other results- it is mot in our own hands- 
if Burnley and Everton win their games in hand we would ne in the last 
relegation spot ( thankfully that is extremely unlikely to happen) let's  hope  
Norwich can give their fans a last hurrah and beat Burnley tomorrow 
The fans at Watford' did us proud and they believe we are staying upAs do I 
I still dont agree with the sacking of Bielsa and no manager will ever be held 
in the same regard as far as I am  concerned   but the board can claim it was 
the correct decision and maybe Jesse has protected Bielsas legacy by keeping us 
up 
Dave 
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Re: [LU] Southampton

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 I blame VAR for the lack of celebrations. I thought the ball was out so 
assumed VAR would call it off. When it didn't/wasn't I was oh a goal!
Nick
On Sunday, April 3, 2022, 04:12:25 AM EDT, nattan--- via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 "Is it wrong that all I keep thinking is ' i hope Ward-Prowse gets an injury 
so he cant play on Saturday '" - that was my WhatsApp text to my Leeds mates on 
Tuesady watching England.  How prescient was that 
A pretty poor game and hard to know if it was one point gained or two lost in 
our relegation fight , but Ward-Priwse and his free kick certainly cost us this 
game as without that they never looked like scoring. 
It was a very flat atmosphere throughout,  even the goal , was not subject to 
the 'limbs'we have had recently,  the 2 goals v scum and the winner v Norwich,  
or even jumping round my front room v Wolves. The goal came when Raph just 
managed to keep the ball in and crossed , the keeper got a hand to it but it 
fell to Harrison who seemed to shin it in, certainly not a clean strike.
In boxing they often say it is ' styles that make fights ' thus was the 
opposite in that the styles ( both similar) made it a non fight, or a bore draw 
in this case. 
Once they equalised it had draw written all over it , and the crowd responded 
with apathy , occasionally getting excited or nervous depending on who had the 
ball in attack but generally just waiting for it to be over. 
We had some good points from the game , Cooper managed 90 minutes and looked 
cool and composed throughout,  Rodrigo had another very good game, Joffy showed 
that though he cant pull a rabbit from the hat every game he is definitely a 
real talent,  and perhaps most importantly of all KP was back, getting 25 
minutes or so, not that he did much in that time but hopefully it means he can 
start next week, a real 6 pointer.
With Burnley and Watford losing ( hope the same today for Norwich and Everton)) 
a point may be ok but I would be much happier with such a boring game if we had 
got all 3 
Dave 
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[LU] Norwich Ticket

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Re: [LU] Meet the new boss...

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Were the fans great until Bielsa came in? Previously it was a bit of a 
shit-show wasn't it? Loads of discontent.

NickOn Monday, February 28, 2022, 02:50:44 PM EST, Scott1cairns1 
 wrote:  
 
 Oh dear god. 

Best regards,Scott. 

> On 28 Feb 2022, at 19:29, Wiggy  wrote:
> 
> not quite the same as the old boss...
> 
> https://www.leedsunited.com/news/team-news/29569/jesse-marsch-appointed-leeds-united-head-coach
> 
> or to save you clicking on the link...:
> 
> New head coach confirmed.
> 
> Leeds United can today announce the appointment of Jesse Marsch as the club’s 
> new head coach, pending international clearance.
> 
> The 48-year-old has signed a deal at Elland Road running until June 2025 and 
> his first game in charge will be Saturday’s Premier League trip at Leicester 
> City.
> 
> Marsch, a former USA international midfielder, previously played for D.C. 
> United, Chicago Fire and Chivas USA in the MLS.
> 
> Following his retirement from playing, he became an assistant with the USA 
> national team, before being named as the first head coach of Montreal Impact 
> in 2012.
> 
> Three years later, he was named New York Red Bulls boss and led them to the 
> MLS Supporters’ Shield and was also named the 2015 MLS Coach of the Year.
> 
> In 2018, he left New York Red Bulls as the coach with the most wins in the 
> club’s history, joining German Bundesliga side RB Leipzig as assistant to 
> Ralf Rangnick.
> 
> Ahead of the 2019/20 season he was named head coach of sister club Red Bull 
> Salzburg and went on to have great success, winning both the Austrian 
> Bundesliga and Austrian Cup in consecutive seasons.
> 
> This led to him returning to RB Leipzig as head coach last summer, which was 
> his most recent position, prior to parting ways in December.
> 
> He will now be looking to guide Leeds United away from the Premier League 
> relegation places over the final 12 games of the campaign.
> 
> Speaking about the appointment, Leeds United Director of Football Victor Orta 
> said: “We are delighted to welcome Jesse to the club and excited for him to 
> lead us into this new chapter.
> 
> “Jesse is someone we identified a number of years ago during his time at Red 
> Bull Salzburg and we believe his philosophy and style of football aligns with 
> that of the club and will suit the players very well.
> 
> “We have a long-term plan and firmly believe he can take Leeds United to the 
> next level and are excited for what the future holds.”
> 
> Chief Executive Angus Kinnear added: “We are really pleased to have quickly 
> secured the services of our first-choice head coach.
> 
> “Whilst the short-term objective for Jesse is obvious, we believe he has the 
> courage and ambition to build on the strong foundations we have created over 
> the last four years and elevate the performance of the club over the 
> long-term.  He had a great deal of success with New York Red Bulls and Red 
> Bull Salzburg and has demonstrated during our many meetings that he is a 
> great fit with the footballing culture of Leeds United.
> 
> “At this challenging time, it is important that the club remains united from 
> top to bottom. The fans have been amazing throughout Andrea’s tenure and we 
> have no doubt they will unite behind Jesse and ensure the team quickly 
> returns to winning with style.”
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Re: [LU] Meet the new boss...

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 We have a long term plan... considering there are noises that two of the Holy 
Trinity are leaving in the Summer not sure how much I believe that.
Nothing against marsch it is just totally flat for me. 
Nick
On Monday, February 28, 2022, 02:29:09 PM EST, Wiggy 
 wrote:  
 
 not quite the same as the old boss...

https://www.leedsunited.com/news/team-news/29569/jesse-marsch-appointed-leeds-united-head-coach

or to save you clicking on the link...:

New head coach confirmed.

Leeds United can today announce the appointment of Jesse Marsch as the 
club’s new head coach, pending international clearance.

The 48-year-old has signed a deal at Elland Road running until June 2025 
and his first game in charge will be Saturday’s Premier League trip at 
Leicester City.

Marsch, a former USA international midfielder, previously played for 
D.C. United, Chicago Fire and Chivas USA in the MLS.

Following his retirement from playing, he became an assistant with the 
USA national team, before being named as the first head coach of 
Montreal Impact in 2012.

Three years later, he was named New York Red Bulls boss and led them to 
the MLS Supporters’ Shield and was also named the 2015 MLS Coach of the 
Year.

In 2018, he left New York Red Bulls as the coach with the most wins in 
the club’s history, joining German Bundesliga side RB Leipzig as 
assistant to Ralf Rangnick.

Ahead of the 2019/20 season he was named head coach of sister club Red 
Bull Salzburg and went on to have great success, winning both the 
Austrian Bundesliga and Austrian Cup in consecutive seasons.

This led to him returning to RB Leipzig as head coach last summer, which 
was his most recent position, prior to parting ways in December.

He will now be looking to guide Leeds United away from the Premier 
League relegation places over the final 12 games of the campaign.

Speaking about the appointment, Leeds United Director of Football Victor 
Orta said: “We are delighted to welcome Jesse to the club and excited 
for him to lead us into this new chapter.

“Jesse is someone we identified a number of years ago during his time at 
Red Bull Salzburg and we believe his philosophy and style of football 
aligns with that of the club and will suit the players very well.

“We have a long-term plan and firmly believe he can take Leeds United to 
the next level and are excited for what the future holds.”

Chief Executive Angus Kinnear added: “We are really pleased to have 
quickly secured the services of our first-choice head coach.

“Whilst the short-term objective for Jesse is obvious, we believe he has 
the courage and ambition to build on the strong foundations we have 
created over the last four years and elevate the performance of the club 
over the long-term.  He had a great deal of success with New York Red 
Bulls and Red Bull Salzburg and has demonstrated during our many 
meetings that he is a great fit with the footballing culture of Leeds 
United.

“At this challenging time, it is important that the club remains united 
from top to bottom. The fans have been amazing throughout Andrea’s 
tenure and we have no doubt they will unite behind Jesse and ensure the 
team quickly returns to winning with style.”
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Re: [LU] LU: Unsackable ?

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 Yep excellent post.
On Monday, February 28, 2022, 06:39:43 AM EST, nattan--- via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
  I agree with Matthew , though disagree re time bit, we are now " just sn 
ordinary team" no longer the mad maverick Bielsaball team that we have grown to 
love
I have really enjoyed being special,  being different,  just a shame covid took 
a lot of that enjoyment form the match going fans, but even watching the chaos 
on TV was amazing. The fact that we wre still singing his name as he was being 
sacked and never turned on him speaks volumes
Best report I have read about him being special is in the Guardian by James 
Riach
Dave
    On Monday, 28 February 2022, 11:02:36 GMT, MATTHEW GAYNOR via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 
I pretty much agree with that. Am sad for 3 main reasons;

1. I think we are now more likely to go down.  A new manager with no 
experience of English football, taking over a group of players who 
clearly love Bielsa is very risky. He practically has no different 
options who to play - most Leeds fans have generally supported the team 
selection - the only real debate is about who plays upfront.  He'll 
probably stop defenders chasing into midfield too much but equally i 
doubt we'll play like we did against Villa or West Ham again this 
season.

2. For what Bielsa achieved, both in promotion and culture change, i'd 
risk relegation to let him go out on his own terms.  We are in a much 
better state than 4 years ago.  Parachute payments and huge transfer 
fees incoming would make us huge favourites to come back up.

3. We've changed from the Ken Bates club, the Cellino club, a Warnock 
team, a Steve Evans team.  We are now a Bielsa team recognised around 
the world and something all fans are proud of.  We will be ordinary 
again in a years time - whatever league we are in.

Matt

-- Original Message --
From: "alan.edgar--- via Leedslist" 
To: "leedslist@gn.apc.org" 
Sent: Sunday, 27 Feb, 22 At 23:51
Subject: [LU] LU: Unsackable ?
I would have kept Bielsa until the end of the season.
 From a practical point of view, in that I believe no-one else will get 
more out of these players, that we will be better for the return of 
players of the importance of Bamford, Phillips and Cooper, and that 
there are at least 3 teams I consider to be worse than us.
 From a romantic point of view, Bielsa deserved to ride off into the 
sunset on his own terms, and that football today lost a little bit of 
its soul in prioritising prospective results over the enjoyment and 
entertainment that a one-off like Marcelo has brought to the 
Premiership.
Non-Leeds fans I've been in touch with today, many of whom have no love 
for our club, are also lamenting the fact that (almost certainly) his 
brand of football will not be seen on these shores again, having been 
royally entertained by LUFC for the last three and a half years, win, 
lose or draw.

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Re: [LU] Fwd: Official hes gone

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 Firing him is a huge gamble.
On Sunday, February 27, 2022, 07:08:13 AM EST, Michael Benjamin 
 wrote:  
 
 Why
It took guts to appoint him & guts to fire him. 
We were in serious trouble & no one was sure if he was part of the solution or 
part of the problem. Why gamble? 

Dr  Michael Benjamin, 
Community Psychiatrist.
Oranit,
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-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Nick Allen
Sent: Sunday, 27 February 2022 13:18
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] Fwd: Official hes gone


I feel a little less love for lufc this morning.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: nattan--- via Leedslist 
> Date: 27 February 2022 at 11:11:52 GMT
> To: leeds list 
> Subject: [LU] Official hes gone
> Reply-To: "nat...@sky.com" 
> 
>  A big decision , they had better be correct,Awful if we go down now 
> DaveA Bielsa lover for ever 
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Re: [LU] Not good!

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 My thoughts entirely.
On Thursday, February 24, 2022, 09:25:54 AM EST, Robert Heath 
 wrote:  
 
 For the first time I am starting to entertain some doubts about Bielsa.

I fear his unique system simply cannot survive implementation long term in
the Premier League. Ultimately, to ask players who, don't forget, are
nothing more than jumped-up 2nd Div journeymen to go up 1v1 game after game
against the top top players some of these clubs have (Forshaw v pogba, for
examplehe may play crap and be lazy sometimes, but there is a
reason why Pogba cost 97 million quid or whatever...he's a bloody
good footballer!) is never going to work in the long run. Plus there is a
massive flaw in the system in that the oppo CBs can just advance with the
ball. In the 2nd Div it didn't matter b/c they were crap, but players like
Matip & that Swedish lad from Man U are good players who can (and did!)
cause serious damage.

The other thing is that Bielsa's system relies on us winning the ball in
the middle third and then slicing through them when they are "unbalanced"
(as he likes to say.) But again, the quality of players in this league are
just too good to dispossess. But in tearing in to challenge the way he
wants, we leave ourselves chasing the ball time after time while they
advance, leaving them often 5 or 6 v our back 4. No wonder they look all at
sea sometimes.

And it doesn't bloody help when we keep losing players to
injury..and we are denied certain penalties while the oppoes get
gifted 2 soft ones!

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 1:19 PM MATTHEW GAYNOR via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>
> What evidence do we have that Bielsa is losing the players
> The crowd as Elland Road seem to be firmly behind him - i'm not sure how
> relevant the noise on social media is.
>
> Yes i'm worried for the first time - largely due to the teams below
> starting to win - but we wouldnt be better under any other manager and
> should improve in March as fixtures are better and we should start
> getting important players back.
>
> The size and make-up of the squad is a discussion for the summer -
> stubborn as he is i dont think Bielsa is immune to the need for changes.
>
> Matt
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via Leedslist" 
> To: "Leeds List 2010" 
> Sent: Thursday, 24 Feb, 22 At 12:11
> Subject: [LU] Not good!
> Worse than I expected. Bielsa is quickly losing the players, the fans,
> the media, everyone.  Hard to see how this is going to end well for all
> involved, not without radical surgery.
> Many people who were previously short sighted to what Bielsa brings to
> the table are having their eyesight lasered.  Bielsa is on some spectrum
> and we are seeing the brutal results of it now with his
> inability/unwillingness to change in light of the evidence in front of
> his/our eyes.
> We will survive this season but will not survive the next one.  We might
> not even stay up this season, the way the wheels are coming off our
> bandwagon.
> Even neutral commentators are starting to speak seriously about Leeds
> being relegated this spring.  Some of us have been talking about this
> increasingly-likely scenario since a few games into this season.  That
> pre-season 9/1 about Leeds to be relegated is starting to look like a
> good bet.  I was tempted but not tempted enough.
> No point talking about last night in detail.  We all saw it with our own
> eyes, at least I did until the second penalty was conceded.  I didn’t
> let the result ruin my evening, not that the wife cared a jot as I
> sobbed quietly in the corner.
> James.
>
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Re: [LU] Streams?

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 It is on USA TV Network - Shows, Episodes, Schedule  over here. If you have a 
VPN you could probably set up an account for yourselves and watch every PL game 
you want. Every Leeds game is available.


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Nick
On Friday, February 18, 2022, 06:56:20 AM EST, Richard Naef 
 wrote:  
 
 It's on skysports  isn't it? If so can't you pay NowTV for 1 game?  Obvs still 
giving money to the beast..

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Robert Heath
Sent: 18 February 2022 07:58
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] Streams?

Good morning chaps.

I notice we've got an interesting game coming up on Sunday and I wonder if 
anybody has any recommendations for streaming sites? I think Dave Nattan 
mentioned he had a good stream for the Everton match, but I have only had 
rubbish streams from my usual sources (hesgoal, crichd & usagoals) over the 
last few games. Dave (or anyone else).got any good tips?
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Re: [LU] any links to tonight’s game out there? thanks

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 I wouldn't bother
On Tuesday, December 14, 2021, 03:07:56 PM EST, Mick Robinson (Gmail) 
 wrote:  
 
 

Regards

Mick Robinson


> On 14 Dec 2021, at 19:53, JONATHAN WYNNE via Leedslist  
> wrote:
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> hesgoals working fine
> 
> 
> Sent via BT Email App
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Re: [LU] Mural tour

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Thanks Dave. Tentatively planning a trip back from Yankland in March (two 
years after the last one was cancelled...I wonder why that was?) so my son and 
I will definitely do this and this info is really helpful. Just need to get 
tickets for Norwich now
Nick
On Wednesday, November 17, 2021, 08:04:33 AM EST, Ted  
wrote:  
 
 It sounds good Dave - I didn't realise that there were that many!!

Ted H

On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 at 12:31, nattan--- via Leedslist 
wrote:

> Well that was some trek, got the train that arrived in Pudsey at 12.05 and
> got back to piccadilly at 8pm ( ok last couple of hours were in pubs- we
> were finished for 5pm)
> It was brilliant and highly recommended.  We were both a bit worried that
> having seen the murals online and in photos it would be boring and an
> anticlimax.  The opposite was true, when we saw the first one, the 4
> legends on the wall at Pudsey we were gob smacked and were like that the
> whole day, despite some of the murals being in odd places. There was also
> something that felt special with the amount if effort it all took rather
> than a quick tour round in a car. Only bad bit was we did not get to see
> the Lucas one, or the Bielsa one at hyde park (?)We have seen all the
> Elland Road and Beeston ones on match days
> For the record,  and if anyone else wants to give it a go, here is our
> journey.
> Train to new Pudsey, then a long walk to the market to see the 4 legends -
> big Jack,  Lash, Norman and TrevorA longer walk from there to Bramley to
> see the Gary Speed one.Short walk to Bramley station, and train to
> Leeds.Train from Leeds to Guiseley to see the 3 managers ( we agreed the
> Don should be at the top , then wilko then Bielsa but that is splitting
> hairs , it is a brilliant piece of artwork. Train back to Leeds then taxi
> (£8) to Asda at Wortley to see Bielsa the Redeemer ( yes I did the arms out
> pose for my pictures  )Then flagged down a cab to the city centre (£11)
> and the Calls to see KP ,( Albert and lucas) the sky had just turned red so
> our photos are amazing.  Then short walk to Duck and Drake to see Pablo.
> Finally a walk back to Leeds station, passing the  " United are back  " sign
> Like I say we loved it and it was well worth the time, trouble and expense.
> Took a hell of a lot of morphine and other pain killers to get through it
> all but a great day
> Dave
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Re: [LU] Wolves 1 1

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 Watched it again and I thought we were actually much better than I thought on 
first viewing. They were really struggling to contain us last 25 minutes and 
even in the first half we were pretty dominant. Most of all, our pressing was 
excellent especially around the half-way line. Cooper was very, very good.
Nick
On Saturday, October 23, 2021, 03:18:59 PM EDT, nattan--- via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 The last minute equaliser almost made this feel like a winA draw was the least 
we deserved against a team that nullified us twice last season and tried to do 
the same this time.  
If this is their typical performance it must be shit being a wolves fan.To play 
a team you beat twice last time,  who are in a bit of disarray,  on the back of 
3 wins and to waste time, play act ,defend and just generally shit house your 
way through a game must be awful to,watch.Nothing much had happened when 
Harrison was  beaten on the touchline when we were expecting a throw in to us, 
then a massive deflection led to the ball falling to the feet of their lad who 
hit home.From that moment on they played for the final whistle,  going down at 
the slightest contact and acting as if they were seriously injured, and the ref 
fell for it all and did nothing.  A long range shot hit their defender in the 
face, he went down as if ht by Tyson Furys best punch, ref, quite rightly blew 
for a head injury then let him continue with no treatment and no concussion test
We struggled to reallly get going with lots of wayward and misplaced passes- 
Dallas and Klitch shadows of their former selves. Raph was the shining light, a 
class above everyone else on the pitch 
Second half followed the same pattern of attack v,defence with them killing the 
game and us not quite right. 
Then an awful sliding tackle on Raph led to him being carted off - very bad news
Summerville did impress as his sub and then we brought on Geldhart and he lived 
up,to the massive expectation we have of him, causing them a few problems,  
then deep into injury time he waltzed through their defence and was hacked 
down, a definite penalty ( ok it was at the other end and I haven't a clue if 
it was a foul or not) but up,stepped Rodrigo and he fired home, rescuing a 
point and sending us home happy(ish)Can only do Rod good and should help 
Geldhart settle in
A well deserved point, fingers crossed Raph is ok
Dave,
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Re: [LU] Coach 22

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 Maybe Alioski's nuttiness was actually a bonus? He just went with the flow and 
did things other players wouldn't (bomb into the box at any time of the game.) 
Firpo seems more like your usual professional that takes risk into 
consideration. 
Nick
On Sunday, October 17, 2021, 06:38:24 PM EDT, Richard Naef 
 wrote:  
 
 Agree 100%. although I do know a few people who think there is a significant 
Bielsa Out camp.  It's almost entirely people who aren't interested in even 
trying to go to games and spend too much time in Social Media.

From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Walker via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 4:16:32 PM
To: Michael Benjamin ; Ed Morrish ; list 
leedslist 
Subject: Re: [LU] Coach 22

I don’t think anyone sane is suggesting we replace Bielsa ?Well nobody I know. 
We’re struggling and I think a few players who hit the heights last year just 
can’t get there this season for whatever reason (Klich, Dallas, Harrison). The 
spine of Bielsa’s team have all been injured and some continue to be so 
(Llorente, Philips, Raphinha and Bamford) and the players coming in to replace 
them are not performing (Rodrigo, Struijk, Roberts).I think we miss Allioski 
more than I thought we would. We hardly attack down the left side anymore and 
certainly not with the pace and directness that Harrison and Allioski used to 
do.This is Bielsa’s biggest test so far and hopefully he’ll show us he can turn 
it around because that performance yesterday was a real horror show and if we 
continue to play like that we will go down.


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On Sunday, October 17, 2021, 3:56 pm, Michael Benjamin  wrote:

This team is Bielsa.
If it fails we simply go down. No one can get more out of them.
We'd sell and start all over again.
This year not only have players gone backward but no one has progressed from 
the under 23s who are not on the fringes before.
I am at a loss as to why or what is happening, plenty of guesses, but why 
guess. We will wait and see.
This is Bielsa's show

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of Ed Morrish 

Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 5:49:32 PM
To: list leedslist 
Subject: [LU] Coach 22

Watching the highlights of a pretty abject performance yesterday, a problem 
occurred to me: Bielsa has gotten players like Kalvin and Bamford playing in a 
way that no other coach has ever managed. And when the team succeeds it’s 
because he’s got them playing in a way that none of our previous coaches ever 
have. So for all the problems we’ve got - a small squad, no plan B, a 
reluctance to change underperforming players - I wonder if a different coach 
would be able to change anything, given the players we’ve got? I mean, Bielsa’s 
the coach who turned Luke Ayling into someone people talk about being called up 
for England. Is there anyone else who can do that, or would they need to spent 
£30m on a new right back?

In other words, if Bielsa is the best manager for this group of players, don’t 
we kind of have to just stick with him, at least until we have 11 Raphinhas 
available for selection…?

Ed.

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Re: [LU] view from the Kop

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 On one of the podcasts they were saying that the team were shouting at 
Harrison as in that attack he was his man (?)
Nick
On Monday, September 27, 2021, 07:39:29 AM EDT, Wiggy 
 wrote:  
 
 
Nick wrote:

> Yeah, on Firpo, I hadn’t how badly out of position
> he was for their first goal, until I saw the
> playback yesterday…that was woeful.

Yup, Alan and I had the same chat at the time. He wondered where the f**k he 
was to let the cross over, and I was surprised to spot him on the edge of the 6 
yard box…

Given what we also saw against Fulham, we need the likes of Cooper etc to reign 
him in a bit to stop his random wanderings…

Wiggy.
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Re: [LU] Ruh roh

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 They play two up front so I bet kalvin joins Cooper and Ayling in a back three
On Thursday, September 16, 2021, 09:55:43 AM EDT, Mark Tuffey 
 wrote:  
 
 I suppose Ayling. However, it shouldn't be Kalvin! Don't play our best player 
and team linchpin out of position.

Cheers
Mark



From: Leedslist  on behalf of Ed Morrish 

Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 7:55 AM
To: list leedslist 
Subject: [LU] Ruh roh

"Struijk, Robin Koch, Diego Llorente all out of tomorrow's match at
Newcastle. Bielsa still confident he has the resources to cope. Adam
Forshaw should be back in contention next week. #lufc"

https://twitter.com/PhilHay_/status/1438485939987394564?s=20

So... who's playing next to Cooper?

Ed.

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Re: [LU] Very Online Fans

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 Radz Out!!
On Tuesday, September 14, 2021, 09:37:23 AM EDT, Ed Morrish 
 wrote:  
 
 Anyone you recognise in this, lads?

https://dean-magazine.ghost.io/the-cold-dead-world-of-the-extremely-online-liverpool-fan/

Ed.

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Re: [LU] Get in - I have a WBA ticket

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 Enjoy
the Dispossessed
On Wednesday, May 12, 2021, 02:13:22 PM EDT, Ted  
wrote:  
 
 Woo hoo! I've got one too!!!

Ted H

On Wed, 12 May 2021, 19:11 Andy Brown,  wrote:

> I’m already excited at the prospect of your match report. Hopefully you
> can treat this like the promotion party we should have had!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 12 May 2021, at 19:03, Simon McNally via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> >
> > Congrats mate. I’ve not got anything yet (apart from the usual spam
> emails)!
> >
> > Get Outlook for iOS
> > 
> > From: Leedslist  on behalf of nattan---
> via Leedslist 
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2021 6:58:53 PM
> > To: leeds list 
> > Subject: [LU] Get in - I have a WBA ticket
> >
> >
> > Good luck to rest of ST holders - check you email ( inc spam )Result So
> chuffed after 16 months or whatever it is away from ERDave
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Re: [LU] Oh they've all gone quiet over there

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 I believe it is 2.7 million per place.
On Tuesday, May 11, 2021, 07:28:51 AM EDT, Steve Gillen 
 wrote:  
 
 Not this season... Due to Covid the FA have halved the prize money  to £1.8 
million for the winners.

> On 11 May 2021, at 12:25, Andy Brown  wrote:
> 
> I doubt that will happen. This seasons winners will take £3.4M in prize 
> money. I can’t remember the number mentioned for a league place but it’s not 
> so different.
> 
> The only way the FA Cup is going to have 1980’s levels of importance is by 
> giving the winner a champions league slot.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 11 May 2021, at 12:13, Richard Naef  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm looking forward to a proper go at one or both of the cups next season, 
>> it's been so long since we had any interest in either cup after the early 
>> rounds.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of t...@3lv.uk
>> Sent: 11 May 2021 09:56
>> To: e...@morrish.org
>> Cc: Leeds List 
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Oh they've all gone quiet over there
>> 
>> To me, the ONLY downside to this season (Apart from no fans of course) is 
>> simple; we've lost 4 times to the two most boring teams, scoring no goals in 
>> those 360 minutes.
>> 
>> The way Wolves and Brighton set up and play, isn't unattractive and is very 
>> much based on possession - But they both, ultimately, want to try and walk 
>> it into the net ala Barcelona under Pep. Against teams like this, we clearly 
>> struggle (Both will finish below us in the League). MB will, I'm sure, be 
>> aware of this and, hopefully address next season.
>> 
>> Genuinely not bothered about the drubbing at Old Trafford or MOST of the 
>> defeats this season, other than those 4. Those 12 points would have put us 
>> 5th, 1 point behind Leicester!
>> 
>> Mind you, I (personally) don't want European football yet. If we did I think 
>> we'd suffer in the same way Wolves have done by overachieving a bit too 
>> soon, without having the ability to bolster the squad in preparation for the 
>> 'rigours of success'
>> 
>> Anyway, enough of my bollocks, off back to lurkdom! TTFN
>> 
>> StigOfTheMusingDump
>> 
>>> 
 Yes I would agree with that. But to point out poor performances from 
 players is OK I think as long as it it is reasonable (in tone I 
 mean.) Though TBH Michael Brown was effin shit
 
>>> 
>>> I think it's actually quite rare - this season at least - to be able 
>>> to spot an individually poor performance that cost us the match. 
>>> Meslier's fuckups at Arsenal (which he's not repeated), and Alioski 
>>> giving away the penalty against Brighton stand out*. But it's usually 
>>> been a collective issue - we've sat too deep and isolated Bamford, for 
>>> example; or Alioski and Harrison haven't combined well in attack.
>>> 
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Re: [LU] Oh they've all gone quiet over there

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 Yes I would agree with that. But to point out poor performances from players 
is OK I think as long as it it is reasonable (in tone I mean.) Though TBH 
Michael Brown was effin shit
Nick
On Monday, May 10, 2021, 09:08:14 AM EDT, Ed Morrish  
wrote:  
 
 On Mon, 10 May 2021 at 13:57, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist 
 wrote:

 Their reasons for thinking they know better were all of the performances in 
the Brighton game. Fair enough to call those out and to be slightly concerned 
when the team was set up for Tottenham. In the end Bielsa and the players 
showed why he is such a great manager. However, never to question all sounds a 
bit Trump and the Republican Party to me...(maybe I am the List's Liz Cheney... 
:-) )


The reason I find the doom-mongering so laughable is that the evidence against 
it has literally been there for three seasons now. We know the system he likes, 
we know the players he likes, he doesn't chop and change (eg keeping Costa in 
for two games longer than we thought he merited before injury forced him out), 
and it's up to the players to make the system work. When it does, it's great, 
when it doesn't we get thumped. So that's what you can criticise; to go 'Player 
X is shit" on the basis of a bad performance ignores the fact that Bielsa has 
moulded a team, not eleven individuals.  
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Re: [LU] Oh they've all gone quiet over there

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 Their reasons for thinking they know better were all of the performances in 
the Brighton game. Fair enough to call those out and to be slightly concerned 
when the team was set up for Tottenham. In the end Bielsa and the players 
showed why he is such a great manager. However, never to question all sounds a 
bit Trump and the Republican Party to me...(maybe I am the List's Liz Cheney... 
:-) )
Nick
On Monday, May 10, 2021, 07:33:36 AM EDT, Richard Naef 
 wrote:  
 
 Leeds Twitter went into meltdown when the team was announced, the vast 
majority saying it was madness and that Bielsa was too stubborn, never learned 
etc.  All the oft repeated bollocks, like the famous Bielsa Team meltdown 
comment that outraged much the same people when Karen Carney made it.

The thing is that MB isn't perfect, but he is thorough and everything he does 
is done for a finely detailed and researched reasons, mostly beyond our ken or 
experience.  I'd guess he chose the same team, because of the options he had, 
the things he's seen in training, the research he had done on Tottingham, his 
50 years of experience.  In the case he got it 100% right. On other occasions 
he might not, but it won't be down to stubbornness.  This doesn't mean I don’t 
think every Leeds fan has the right to express contrary opinions, but when they 
do, its fair to ask, what are their reasons for thinking they know better. 

Richard

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Robert Heath
Sent: 09 May 2021 08:00
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] Oh they've all gone quiet over there

Not hearing much from all those moaners who were so furious with the players 
last week.

My scores for the Totteringham match:

Meslier 8
Ayling 7
Llorente 9
Strujk 9
Alioski 8!
Koch 8.5
Klich (back on form at last) 7.5
Roberts 7
Harrison 9
Dallas 9
Bamford 8
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Re: [LU] Decimalisation Day!

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 I do not remember pre-decimilisation money at all, but for some reason I 
vividly remember the day of decimilisation and going in the local sweet shop 
with new money. Odd. But I was 6 1/2 years old
Nick
On Tuesday, February 16, 2021, 03:14:49 PM EST, Ted  
wrote:  
 
 I remember going with my Dad in the Lowfields in the late 60s and he paid 7
and 6, I went in another (boys?) entrance lower down and paid 3 shillings.
We met up on the other side of the turnstiles and we went to get our usual
place near the halfway line.

(I'm sure after '71 I still paid 15p to go in the boys entrance)

We'd go in to the ground as soon as the gates opened (12-1ish?) to try and
get a place against the wall so I could see.

We also took a small wooden step/stool that my Dad made for me to stand on
to get a better view. (A common thing in those days)
No health & safety nonsense in those times!!!

Ted H


On Tue, 16 Feb 2021, 19:48 Damian Walsh,  wrote:

> Are you sure there's not a time lens distortion there? At Tottenham it was
> 3'6 too at that time (1'6 for a reserve match - the only ones I went to on
> my own) but that was for boys. It was still 17 1/2 np after decimalisation,
> still for boys. I'll ask mi dad but I think adult prices were round the 8
> or 9 shillings mark.
>
> Did you grow up in the summer of 1971? Did you go back to Elland Road in
> the autumn as a man?  :)
>
> Damian
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 12:53 PM Graham White 
> wrote:
>
> > Yeah, I remember decimalisation, some people used it as an excuse for
> > ripping people off. For instance prior to decimalisation it cost 3s 6d to
> > go in the Kop and afterwards it went up to 50p! A 285% increase, robbing
> > bastards!!!
> >
> >
> > Graham White
> >
> > 
> >
> > On Monday, 15 February 2021, 18:35:46 CET, Damian Walsh <
> > pussaydam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Funny stories no, but memories yes.
> >
> > I used to live near to White Hart Lane and after football matches we'd
> work
> > through the thousands of discarded cigarette boxes in the hope that we'd
> > find a cigarette or two that we would then try to sell. I only remember
> > being successful once. For the rest of that 1971 football season though,
> > we'd ask the people coming out of games if they had any old pennies they
> > didn't want (and couldn't spend). However for a few months you could
> > actually still spend them in multiples of 6. We'd easily make a good
> > shilling each at the start because nobody begrudged the odd penny that
> they
> > couldn't spend to little kids.
> >
> > However, the happy memories of that Spring were soon overshadowed by West
> > Bludy Brom.
> >
> > Damian
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 1:51 PM James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via Leedslist <
> > leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Folks,
> > > A lot of ye will remember that day.  I don't...just that bit too young!
> > > 240 (20 shillings, each with 12) pence in a pound became only 100.
> > > Any funny stories?
> > > James.
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Re: [LU] Arse

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 I must admit I want to stand up for Alioski. I think he has been fine this 
year, but some of the players he is coming up against are a different league. 
And I will put Saka in that group. He troubled not only Alisoki yesterday. 
He may not be a starting left-back but definitely has a role to play.
Nick
On Monday, February 15, 2021, 07:43:36 AM EST, Robert Heath 
 wrote:  
 
 (Sorry to drone on..)

This longterm approach, I think, also explains why Bielsa so rarely drops a
player. He knows that any given player may have a dip in form, but he
believes that player is the best we have at any given time so he keeps
picking them. And guess whatit works! If you listen to
interviews with players, the common thread - Bamford, Ayling,
Harrison...- is that when asked how they have gone from Ch/ship
plonkers to PL stars they say "the manager showed confidence in me."

I know Bielsa took Struijk off after 20 mins v Villa, but that was just to
protect him after a yellow card, knowing what diving cheats Villa and esp
Grealish are. By putting him straight back in there as soon as Kalvin was
injured shows him that Bielsa has confidence in him.

Which is a great policyexcept when it comes to Alioski!

On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 12:52 PM Robert Heath 
wrote:

> I think the thing about Bielsa is that he is way more longterm in his
> thinking than most managers (and all supporters!) If he has Stuijk marked
> down as his backup for Kalvin, then if K is out he plays Struijk there. He
> may not be perfect, but how is he going to learn if he never plays there?
> (And to be fair, he did improve even during the game.) The fact that he has
> played really well at CH is irrelevant b/c Bielsa thinks that Koch or
> Llorente are the long term solutions there.
>
> In other words, making all those positional moves may not have been the
> best way to beat Arsenal, but Bielsa feels (I think, although what do I
> know?) that it was the best solution for the long term development of the
> squad.
>
> Anyway, as I just said in my last post, I think our problem stemmed from
> us continually giving them the ball back all through the 1st half. I don't
> think it would make any difference who was at the back..if we keep
> letting 50 million quid strikers and Real Madrid loanees come at us time
> and again we're going to be in trouble.
>
> (Plus the fact that The Curse of London was bound to find some way of
> getting us.)
>
> Alioski, though. Now there IS a problem.
>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 12:19 PM Richard Walker via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
>> I love Bielsa, he's worked miracles and continues to do so but every so
>> often he makes a fundamental mistake. Usually, he's pretty quick to try and
>> rectify (pulling off Struijk after 20 mins against Villa) but I still find
>> it mind boggling that he makes these mistakes. Yesterday, he decided to
>> split up a defence which had been showing real promise through a clean
>> sheet and some good defending in recent games and then decided to replace
>> Phillips with one of those central defenders. This is a move he's made in
>> the past which hasn't worked so why repeat it ? Why break up our best
>> attacking threat down the right side with Ayling and Raph ? and when you're
>> going into a game like this with an unfit midfielder (Klich) why supplement
>> it with a central defender ?? Mind boggling stuff from Bielsa and it was no
>> suprise that we were quickly 3 down (could have been more).
>> In his defence you could argue that we are down to the bear bones of the
>> squad and cover is difficult but I'd argue against that with some midfield
>> options provided by players on the bench Pablo, Shack, Gelhart , Roberts.
>> But in Bielsa's mind he has 2 players for every position and he rarely
>> thinks outside that box. The holding midfielder role is Philips or Struijk
>> and that's that even if it's never worked. The weird and wonderful Mr
>> Bielsa.
>> At 4-0 down we've no chance but credit to the players for keeping going
>> and pulling a couple back although they had countless chances to bury us 6
>> or 7.
>> One to forget for me, but will it happen again on Friday night ? I
>> suspect it will.
>> Scores:
>> Meslier - 2. I thought this was his poorest game for Leeds. All over the
>> shop. They caused us all sorts of problems by pushing high. With Struijk
>> walking around aimlessly there was no outlet and we struggled all the way
>> through the first half.
>> Ayling - 5. Poor first half, was all over the place. Better 2nd when he
>> was able to offer something going forward.
>> Allioski - 2. Really poor
>> Cooper - 5. Suffered with the team but kept battling
>> Shackleton - 4. I don't think he's a right back. All their attacks came
>> from their left in the first half.
>> Struijk - 4. First half it was like watching someone who has never played
>> before. He was all over the shop but I have to give him credit for growing
>> into 

Re: [LU] 10 wins: we are staying up

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 It is amazing how some of these players have stepped up. Yes they make 
mistakes but Ayling, Dallas, Cooper (and even Alioski to a degree for me) have 
been absolutely fine (despite how much I swear at them during games.)
Alioski I think has really improved. He seems calmer, looks backwards rather 
than just forwards all the time (so knows when to slow it down when necessary), 
and has put in some great crosses. Yes his weakness is one-on-one defending but 
it really is not his position. I hope we sign him again.
Nick
On Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 09:49:47 AM EST, Michael Benjamin 
 wrote:  
 
 And the Messiah stays.

Get Outlook for Android
From: Leedslist  on behalf of Nicholas Armit via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 4:47:11 PM
To: Alec McQueen ; t...@3lv.uk 
Cc: LEEDSLIST 
Subject: Re: [LU] 10 wins: we are staying up I think a left-back and Rodrigo de 
Paul and we will be in a great place.
Nick

    On Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 09:01:35 AM EST, t...@3lv.uk  
wrote: 
 
 Is that the Covid break that, without which, we probably wouldn't have 
got promoted!! Ahem!

I'll throw a wild one out there ... 10th to 8th will do me just fine 
this year. Don't want a Europa place, it's too soon.

Wolves did this 3 years ago when they played some great football and had 
(Still have) a very good manager in place. I think they finished 7th and 
got (from memory) about 3 weeks off before having to start playing 
Europa qualifiers in Timbuktu! They managed to do OK'ish last season, 
but were showing signs of fatigue and this season they are struggling to 
keep that up (Yes, in part due to a horrible injury and losing a couple 
of start players).

For me finishing top 10 BUT NO FURTHER, would be perfect. KEY focus now 
should be to secure that DEFINITE top flight for next season and start 
shopping, now. Lure the names we need, move on those we don't and prep 
for next season (Hopefully with crowds), then push on next year and 
target a potential Europa place then. Better squad, European football 
lure for top players ...

Then the ground
Then Champs League
Then THE WORLD!!! Mwahahahahaha

StigOfTheIDon'tGetOutMuchDump

On 2021-02-09 04:13, Alec McQueen wrote:
> After the COVID break.
> 
> On Tue, 9 Feb 2021 at 12:15, Nicholas Armit  wrote:
> 
>> You mean that slump last year where we won 12 and drew one of the last 
>> 14?
>> 
>> Nick
>> 
>> On Monday, February 8, 2021, 05:04:30 PM EST, Alec McQueen <
>> alec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> With 10 wins, we are now safe. Very very unlikely to go down with 10 
>> wins
>> (almost never happens).
>> 
>> So, we are above Arsenal, Southampton, Palace and Wolves: this is
>> fantastic. If we can stay there, even better. We are 4 points behind 
>> Spurs,
>> and only 8 points off a Champions League spot (with a game in hand). 
>> Is a
>> Europe slot possible? Can MB keep the results going this year? Will we 
>> have
>> our regular late season slump?
>> 
>> The commentary today said that this was the longest stay that MB has 
>> made
>> at a position ever. Is that right? I find that hard to believe, 
>> but
>> 
>> Happy Leeds fan.
>> Cheers
>> A
>> --
>> Alec McQueen
>> 0418 328967
  
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Re: [LU] 10 wins: we are staying up

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 I think a left-back and Rodrigo de Paul and we will be in a great place.
Nick

On Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 09:01:35 AM EST, t...@3lv.uk  
wrote:  
 
 Is that the Covid break that, without which, we probably wouldn't have 
got promoted!! Ahem!

I'll throw a wild one out there ... 10th to 8th will do me just fine 
this year. Don't want a Europa place, it's too soon.

Wolves did this 3 years ago when they played some great football and had 
(Still have) a very good manager in place. I think they finished 7th and 
got (from memory) about 3 weeks off before having to start playing 
Europa qualifiers in Timbuktu! They managed to do OK'ish last season, 
but were showing signs of fatigue and this season they are struggling to 
keep that up (Yes, in part due to a horrible injury and losing a couple 
of start players).

For me finishing top 10 BUT NO FURTHER, would be perfect. KEY focus now 
should be to secure that DEFINITE top flight for next season and start 
shopping, now. Lure the names we need, move on those we don't and prep 
for next season (Hopefully with crowds), then push on next year and 
target a potential Europa place then. Better squad, European football 
lure for top players ...

Then the ground
Then Champs League
Then THE WORLD!!! Mwahahahahaha

StigOfTheIDon'tGetOutMuchDump

On 2021-02-09 04:13, Alec McQueen wrote:
> After the COVID break.
> 
> On Tue, 9 Feb 2021 at 12:15, Nicholas Armit  wrote:
> 
>> You mean that slump last year where we won 12 and drew one of the last 
>> 14?
>> 
>> Nick
>> 
>> On Monday, February 8, 2021, 05:04:30 PM EST, Alec McQueen <
>> alec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> With 10 wins, we are now safe. Very very unlikely to go down with 10 
>> wins
>> (almost never happens).
>> 
>> So, we are above Arsenal, Southampton, Palace and Wolves: this is
>> fantastic. If we can stay there, even better. We are 4 points behind 
>> Spurs,
>> and only 8 points off a Champions League spot (with a game in hand). 
>> Is a
>> Europe slot possible? Can MB keep the results going this year? Will we 
>> have
>> our regular late season slump?
>> 
>> The commentary today said that this was the longest stay that MB has 
>> made
>> at a position ever. Is that right? I find that hard to believe, 
>> but
>> 
>> Happy Leeds fan.
>> Cheers
>> A
>> --
>> Alec McQueen
>> 0418 328967
  
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Re: [LU] 10 wins: we are staying up

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 You mean that slump last year where we won 12 and drew one of the last 14?
Nick
On Monday, February 8, 2021, 05:04:30 PM EST, Alec McQueen 
 wrote:  
 
 With 10 wins, we are now safe. Very very unlikely to go down with 10 wins
(almost never happens).

So, we are above Arsenal, Southampton, Palace and Wolves: this is
fantastic. If we can stay there, even better. We are 4 points behind Spurs,
and only 8 points off a Champions League spot (with a game in hand). Is a
Europe slot possible? Can MB keep the results going this year? Will we have
our regular late season slump?

The commentary today said that this was the longest stay that MB has made
at a position ever. Is that right? I find that hard to believe, but

Happy Leeds fan.
Cheers
A
-- 
Alec McQueen
0418 328967
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Re: [LU] Everton

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Maybe I am in a minority but I think the first is Phillip's fault. You don't 
point at another player to take responsibility as he did to Cooper. It was his 
player who scored.
Nick
On Friday, February 5, 2021, 05:13:31 PM EST, Nick 
 wrote:  
 
 agree with many of the sage comments since the game…”being happy after a 
defeat…?” who’d have thought it…

But just thought I’d add that the winger who got in the cross for their first 
goal did a first rate job. (That our defence was collectively yonderly, 
shouldn't detract from that…)

Nick 

> On 4 Feb 2021, at 18:36, MATTHEW GAYNOR via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I imagine after the first half yesterday which was just chaos, the reaction 
> in the dressing rooms was;
> 
> Ancelotti - We cant go on like this - we need to get a grip
> Bielsa - More More More
> 
> And as ever Bielsa was correct - and Everton couldnt keep going at the same 
> intensity - and we took control.
> 
> I think Strujk was probably most at fault for the first goal - it looked like 
> he could have got across to the cross - but we should remember that he's 
> basically 5th choice centre-back (as Bielsa thinks Berardi plays there) - and 
> is playing most weeks this season.  So the defence isnt great but there is a 
> good reason why.  I think Cooper has actually been fine in the circumstances.
> 
> Costa wasnt good but no worse than Pablo for example - whose loss of 
> possession nearly cost us a goal.  Both suffering from lack of game time.  
> Roberts always looks like he might make something happen - but never actually 
> does.
> 
> Raphinha is fantastic - doubtful whether he'd be fit and he was going end to 
> end constantly. Most talented player since Kewell and with a better workrate
> 
> Matt
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: t...@3lv.uk 
> To: "leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org " 
> mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Sent: Thursday, 4 Feb, 21 At 16:06
> Subject: Re: [LU] Everton
> Pretty much exactly how I saw it Rich. For me, the following are all on my 
> "Should be sold or made into
> a squad player in the Summer" list (And no, I'm not being unnecessarily 
> negative just because we lost, just realistic!):
> Alioski. We're crying out for a left back, Squad.
> Cooper. We're now playing beyond his limits, Sell.
> Struyk. Young lad, I like him, just needs some experience. Keep, good back up.
> Costa. Waste of space. Sell.
> Pablo. Allow him his swansong at his home club in the Summer, with our 
> eternal gratitude!
> Isn't it weird how pre Leicester and Everton I'd have settled for 3 points 
> but, having beaten Leicester, I'm disappointed!!! We owe Palace, would like 
> to beat them (Zaha a doubt for them too). Raphinia is my new favourite 
> player, think he's precisely the level of player we need to attract.
> I still hate losing but rapidly get it in to context of where we are and 
> where we've been, was definitely the best Everton have played for a while too.
> StigOfTheOnTheUpDump
> 
> On 2021-02-04 14:59, Richard Walker via Leedslist wrote:
> It's not often I come away from a home defeat feeling pretty positive.
> For me, the 2nd half was one of the best so far and there's been some
> good ones thsi season. We ran a really impressive Everton team ragged
> and at times they just couldn't get out of their half. Their keeper
> did well and we fluffed a few half chances. The pitch for me was a
> worry in the first half but overall you have to say it was an
> improvement on the field that was dug up because it did allow us to
> play at tempo. The flip side of that was Everton were also allowed to
> play at tempo in the first half and they more than matched us. I
> didn't really rate them at Goodison but last night I thought they
> looked impressive in the first half and although I think 2-0 at
> half-time flattered them a bit, they showed that they had real pace
> and skill on the ball.
> The only real disapointement for me were the goals and the defending.
> We can say that we're happy with the squad but are we ? We've got a
> central defender effectively out for the season and another who is
> injury prone so we're reliant on League One Liam and the Ripper (God,
> he does look like Sutcliffe in his prime), who has played around 10
> first team games in his life. I heard Luke Ayling manfully owning up
> for allowing the cross for the first goal. Yes Luke, but there were 4
> white shirts stood stroking their cocks whilst Sigurrson strolled
> through unmarked to poke home. Philips lost him in midfield, Ripper
> stood ball watching and I've no idea what LO Liam was doing but
> Philips almost pushed him into position. A complete shambles.
> The 2nd was a corner - what a surprise. Bielsa said it's common when
> you get a near post flick on that someone has the opportunity to get
> onto it at the back post. Really !? Why not fucking do some thing
> about it then ? It's basic defending of set pieces and we've been
> 

Re: [LU] Guy Thornton

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 I did not know Guy personally, but obviously knew him from the list. Sad day.
Nick
On Thursday, January 21, 2021, 03:14:00 PM EST, Andrew Ewart 
 wrote:  
 
 Ah Wiggy that's shit news but thanks for letting us know

Always think of Guy when thinking of the GBBF and when buying ales from
around the world.  One of life's good guys.

2021 is starting as bad as 2020 finished.

RIP Guy...the biermeister in the sky!

On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 at 20:09, Wiggy  wrote:

> Some really sad news just in from Amsterdam. Guy Thornton passed away
> today.
>
> He’d recently been diagnosed with cancer and had just had his first chemo
> treatment.
>
> Will pass on more info as I hear it.
>
> Wiggy.
>
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Re: [LU] Brighton (while listening to Sleaford Mods latest)

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 What I want to know is how is the new Mods? Had tickets for concert in Detroit 
cancelled for obvious reasons. 
Nick
On Sunday, January 17, 2021, 11:21:29 AM EST, Kevin Lewis (UK SBS) 
 wrote:  
 
 I think Nick was saying that you would expect the Right Back to be covering 
that area, but he had tracked McAllister in field and Ayling was in a good 
position at first, but did not cover Maupay as he sneaked in.

I did notice that Dallas seemed to be following McAllister all over the place, 
which did sometimes leave great holes in the defence.  Was this under 
instruction? If so Brighton caught on and took advantage.  Later in the game 
once Alioski had gone off and Ayling went to right back the players stayed in 
position more.

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Re: [LU] Burnley

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Definitely a penalty I thought.
On Monday, December 28, 2020, 12:34:56 PM EST, Steve Gillen 
 wrote:  
 
 .”.maybe Burnley, knowing this, were doing a great job at covering every 
player in
that area who was trying to get open.but the fact was that just
about every one of his medium to long passes went to them”

Actually it seemed to me to be not just Meslier, too many cleared balls and 
often passes from outfield player were simply picked off by Burnley players, 
just bringing the pressure back on us again.

Frankly I thought it was a pretty awful desperate game, the sort that it is 
good to come out of with all three points, but let’s be honest, how many of us 
would have accepted a daw as a fair result? Maybe not even a draw, our penalty 
was not a penalty, well in my opinion, and their goal should have stood. 
Frankly we got the points by some piss poor refereeing and then hanging on by 
our fingernails.

The good to take from the game. We had the league specialists and playing and 
scoring from a dead ball against the worst performing team at corners and dead 
balls. Yet still we held them off.

So on to the Baggies. Let’s hope their new found form (a point from 
Liverpool)is not yet set in stone and we come back all guns blazing.

> On 28 Dec 2020, at 10:19, Robert Heath  wrote:
> 
> ..maybe
> Burnley, knowing this, were doing a great job at covering every player in
> that area who was trying to get open.but the fact was that just
> about every one of his medium to long passes went to them
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Yep good comment again. We were outplayed yesterday and there were players who 
clearly struggled. No harm in discussing that.
Nick
On Sunday, December 6, 2020, 12:25:00 PM EST, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
 wrote:  
 
 I think you’re not taking it in the spirit intended, certainly by me at any 
rate. I love the way we are playing and the players doing it, but there’s no 
harm in recognising a bit of reality when you see it - all in context. Of 
course I’ll take 17th.

Sent from my iPad

> On 6 Dec 2020, at 16:41, Ed Morrish  wrote:
> 
> I’m finding the tone of the criticism of some of our players a little 
> dispiriting. Are they Champions League players? Probably not. But the 
> alternative to them is to bring in an entirely new squad at great risk and 
> expense. Personally, I’m proud of how well they’ve played so far, making the 
> absolute most of their ability at 100% commitment to our club. Yes, they’ll 
> slowly be replaced over the next few seasons as better alternatives come 
> along - but I don’t think it’s on to slag them off, as it were... 
> 
> Let’s face it, if you’d offered us 17th on goal difference at the start of 
> the season we’d have at least thought about it. It looks like we’re going to 
> do better than that, so let’s give them credit for that.
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

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 Can't disagree with anything there. Chelsea looked much better than anything I 
have seen from this season.
Nick
On Sunday, December 6, 2020, 06:05:21 AM EST, Nick 
 wrote:  
 
 Hard not to agree that Chelsea were better than us in most aspects of the game 
- whereas Leicester soaked up pressure and sucker-pinched us with speed and 
skill (rope-a-dope) - Chelsea showed basically what our system looks like with 
better quality players.

Cooper, Alioski, Dallas, Klich, Harrison (and perhaps Ayling…) all looked this 
was the level that was just beyond them. Which is harsh given how superb all 
have been for the last 2 or 3 years, and given the improvement that each has 
seen in their own game. We’ve seen that these guys can make it happen to a 
level just around the European qualification mark but that to be truly pushing 
at the top we can’t have that many players out of 11 not quite making it. All 
of which sounds like damning them, it is not meant to, I have been stunned by 
how much better our team and these individuals have got in the last 26 months - 
and how much I have enjoyed watching us play, for the first time since O’Leary 
really - and if we finish where we are now in the league, the fact that that 
would feel like a small disappointment tells you how far we’ve come - but in 
the end there are limits to what training and coaching will achieve, especially 
against bottomless wallets.

Bamford’s goal was absolutely top drawer - the pass out of defence, Phillips’ 
first time ball (I have rarely seen a better weighted pass, and with his 
‘wrong' foot), and the first touch and the finish - he still had work to do to 
get the finish right. Yes, their keeper made a strange decision. No stranger 
than their winger who somehow cleared that ball off our goal line via the 
crossbar a few minutes later.

It felt like we were in the game for the first hour, but their second goal 
really did for us - they apparently score a lot from corners - the delivery is 
good and that time Zouma absolutely dominated the box for that header. A bit 
like Liverpool’s second, and like that one, there were bodies tumbling in box 
in the path of the onrushing goalscorer - it looks like American football, 
where teams chuck in blockers to clear a path for the quarter back - hard to 
tell if it is a tactic or just luck - either way we need to be tougher and 
cannier when defending set pieces.

I thought we struggled down our left all game - which may be the result of 
their right back, James, who really was something else - but as Rich says, 
we’re playing someone out of position at left back…and Cooper is at his limit. 
We may be better with 3 CHalfs and 5 across the middle, if we can’t find a good 
full back. I thought Llorente did OK in what were difficult circumstances for 
him - when fit, I see him and Koch as the natural CHalf pairing.

We do have to find a place for Rodrigo to start, he gives a muscularity and 
drive that we seem shy of, when pushing forward. Raphina did OK when he was in 
the game…and could very well have got us a second with that shot and rebound in 
the second half, but we didn’t get the ball to him enough.

We commented after about 55 minutes that names we hadn’t heard from the 
commentators anything like as much as we normally do were Dallas, Klich, 
Harrison…which shows that our midfield was second to pretty much everything.

I dislike Frank Lampard just a little bit more now.

Nick


> On 6 Dec 2020, at 10:32, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> For the first time this season we were comprehensively outplayed, outfought 
> and outrun (apparently !) in that 2nd half. Chelsea have quality players all 
> over the park who have time on the ball and were able to side step our 
> terrier like defences and create chance after chance. I've never seen Klich 
> look so out of his depth and as for Philips in that 2nd half, well he just 
> couldn't play against that level. No shame in that though, these are top, top 
> players and when you lose your best defender in the opening part of the game 
> then it's always going to be difficult. 
> I thought we matched them in the first half and started brightly with a great 
> left footed pass from Philips through to Bamford who still had a lot to do. 
> He sidestepped the keeper and calmly slotted home but what the hell was the 
> keeper doing ? He made it really easy for Bamford and if Chelsea had a 
> weakness last night I thought it was their keeper. 
> We caused them problems especially down our right with Raphinha looking 
> lively again. Unfortunately, Harrison on the other wing was having one of 
> those days where he shows us his knack of being able to pick out nobody with 
> a great overhit cross. Harrison has improved beyond recognition over the past 
> 12 months but I feel he's struggling at this level at the moment and I think 
> it is time to give someone else a chance. 
> Here's my scores:
> Miesler - 7. Kept the score sensible with some 

Re: [LU] VAR for offside

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 They have the goal line technology for the Lampard scenario (not VAR). That 
was all that was required. The rest has become a hot mess.
Nick
On Tuesday, November 10, 2020, 01:51:27 PM EST, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
 wrote:  
 
 I’m not a fan of VAR. I always thought it a sledgehammer to crack a nut. 
English commentariat got itself all excited after Lampard’s ‘goal’ against 
Germany and demanded ‘something be done’. But across a season decisions evened 
out, pre-VAR...now we’ve actually legislated ‘in’ interference. 

They’re having to create a raft of secondary rules about when it is used and 
when not. 

A system that doesn’t penalise Everton’s keeper for that wild foul, but 
disallows Bamford’s goal is not fit for purpose.

Sent from my iPad

> On 10 Nov 2020, at 18:42, Ed Morrish  wrote:
> 
> I feel like the footballing authorities have missed out on a crucial element 
> of how video reviews work in cricket: umpire’s call. In cricket, you have to 
> be 100% the umpire got it wrong, not 1% sure they weren’t right. If Bamford’s 
> goal had been disallowed by the ref, the video would have upheld that; if it 
> had been allowed, it would also have been upheld - it’s clearly a grey area, 
> so let the ref do his job.
> 
> (I also think there should be one review per team per half, which you lose if 
> you challenge incorrectly.)
> 
> Ed.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 10 Nov 2020, at 17:46, Guy Thornton  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh mighty King of Tonga, I agree with you and I did say I didn't blame the 
>> ref who was 'only following 
>> orders'.
>> Okay, he was following the latest interpretation of those who must be obeyed 
>> on on deciding what is 
>> and what is not offside with VAR. Whether it was Lineker and friends who 
>> helped get the new 
>> interpretation I don't know but something needs to be done to sort this out. 
>> I'm not against VAR, a 
>> contaire, but there's been some mighty silly decisions made. Forget who it 
>> was but I remember a 
>> player with his back to the one kicking the ball, arm by his side but the 
>> ball hit it and wham, a foul.
>> On offside what happened to being in an offside potion but not interfering 
>> with play?
>> guy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 10 Nov 2020 at 17:06, Kevin Lewis (UK SBS) wrote:
>> 
>> I'm actually pro VAR, but just can't believe what a pigs ear the officials 
>> make of applying it.  Firstly they 
>> don't have to use the lines.  They are not used in Rugby replays to 
>> determine forward passes.
>> 
>> If they must use the lines then Offside is offside, whether by a foot or a 
>> yard (Or a few millimetres).  
>> The forward already gets the advantage that he can be level (if that is even 
>> possible anymore).
>> 
>> The idea that a player's arm can put them offside is patently ridiculous.  
>> But it is not VAR's fault.
>> Part of the fault is with Lineker and his chums who moaned about handballs 
>> being given when the ball 
>> hit the arm.
>> 
>> The unintended consequence of reducing the handball to the T Shirt line as 
>> they call it was that a goal 
>> can now be scored with that part of the arm which therefore now qualifies 
>> for offside. Surely the arm 
>> should ignored for offside decisions.
>> 
>> It will be interesting to see what happens when a player uses the INSIDE of 
>> the upper arm to 
>> deliberately control the ball, or actually knock it into the net.  My bet is 
>> they will change the 
>> interpretation again.  Bamford and Leeds were very unlucky to be the first 
>> to be caught by this, but the 
>> law was correctly interpreted as it stands.
>> 
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