date:20090917


Paula Ryburn wrote
How do you cite the source for knowing these are the parents of this 
child?  I mean, there is not a field to attach a source citation TO.  
Maybe this is a silly question, but I have often wondered how to 
indicate that I know these are his parents because they are listed on 
his birth certificate, for example.  Or I found his parents' names 
by looking at his birth certificate...  Worded that way, do I cite the 
birth certificate on THEIR name fields? 


I use the child's Birth Certificate or IGI entry as a Source for the 
names of the parents, just as I use a Marriage Certificate or IGI entry 
as a Source for the name of the other partner in a marriage, where the 
first person already exists in my file.


When using an IGI Birth or Baptism record as a Source I always put 
parents Joe Bloggs  Fanny in the Source Detail Text (and tick to 
include in Reports) as this shows how I made the link between the child 
and its parents.


Similarly, when using a Death Index as a Source I always put died aged 
nn in the Source Detail Text as this is often a confirmation that this 
is the correct record, if the place of death *and* age tally with known 
information.

--
Jenny M Benson



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Re: [LegacyUG] Birth certificate as a master source


Boyd Miller wrote
So far I have only 300 master sources for 5000 names in the larger of 
my two families and this will grow a I replace some of the Marginal 
evidence sources with better ones.


Blimey!  I'm a dedicated lumper but I already have over 330 Master 
Sources for about 3,500 names.

--
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Re: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter - IRC - which template and how to use it specifically?


Dan Bateham wrote
Has anyone any suggestions, with specifics, for using a SourceWriter 
template for documenting an online chat (IRC) more or less in 
accordance with _EE_ standards?


I would use the template for InterviewsTranscriptsPrivately held.

I think the word transcript only appears in the Bibliography and you 
can use the Override on the Master Source to delete that word if it is 
not appropriate.  Personally, I don't think the fact that the 
interview - or chat - took place online rather than face to face is 
important, but you could add a note to that effect in the Comment if you 
wished.

--
Jenny M Benson



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Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing parent - child relationship

There is a place to record your source for knowing how you know who the 
parents are.  On the individual screen, hit the source button, scroll down 
and your will see


Father Rel:
Mother Rel:

That is where you can record a source for knowing how you know these are the 
right parents.


michele

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Yes, but having a bitrh certifcate or bible record, unless there is evidence 
of error/fraud we do not do more than state the document exists, and allow 
others to decide the veracity of it.

Rich in LA CA



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Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:36:24 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Sourcing parent - child relationship

First off, I am not talking about the child's relationship-to-father and 
relathionship-to-mother fields.


How do you cite the source for knowing these are the parents of this 
child? I mean, there is not a field to attach a source citation TO. Maybe 
this is a silly question, but I have often wondered how to indicate that I 
know these are his parents because they are listed on his birth certificate, 
for example. Or I found his parents' names by looking at his birth 
certificate... Worded that way, do I cite the birth certificate on THEIR 
name fields?


Am I way out in left field here? But that relationship is a key item that 
has to be proven / documented for a DAR application, for example.


Thanks, --Paula in Texas
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[LegacyUG] Editing a GEDCOM (Was When Do you import versus merging ??)

2009-09-17 Thread Ila East


What program do you use to edit a GEDCOM file?

Ila East

RICHARD SCHULTHIES wrote:
I always gedcom into a new file, fix the locations and sources MY way, 
then add it into my main DB, then do a merge. The group taught me that 
when I was a Newbie, and we try to repeat it regularly for the next 
batch of newbies to hear.

Rich in LA CA
 






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[LegacyUG] Book done by compiler, NOT author or editor

2009-09-17 Thread Arnold Sprague

I need to source a book which is clearly NOT done by an author or an 
editor, per Evidence Explained (EE), by Elizabeth Shown Mills. (See 
12.8, Author's Role: Compiler or Author, page 668.)
Legacy's SourceWriter, however, ONLY allows me to enter an author or 
editor, if I choose to use SourceWriter for a book.
Is there a way for me to override the text (change author/editor to 
compiler) when Legacy shows the source?
I prefer to use EE and SourceWriter; so please let's NOT digress into 
discussions as to perceived shortcomings of either.

Thank you,
Arnold 





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Re: [LegacyUG] Book done by compiler, NOT author or editor

Is this a book authored by an agency?  There is an option for that.  Or, is 
it anonymous?  You could chose the author not known option.

michele

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Subject: [LegacyUG] Book done by compiler, NOT author or editor

I need to source a book which is clearly NOT done by an author or an
editor, per Evidence Explained (EE), by Elizabeth Shown Mills. (See
12.8, Author's Role: Compiler or Author, page 668.)
Legacy's SourceWriter, however, ONLY allows me to enter an author or
editor, if I choose to use SourceWriter for a book.
Is there a way for me to override the text (change author/editor to
compiler) when Legacy shows the source?
I prefer to use EE and SourceWriter; so please let's NOT digress into
discussions as to perceived shortcomings of either.
Thank you,
Arnold

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Re: [LegacyUG] Editing a GEDCOM (Was When Do you import versus merging ??)

2009-09-17 Thread BMcL Robinson

Hi Ila

You can edit a gedcom file in a text editor or word processor, saving it as 
ascii text, not a word file. This can be usefull to change the tags (find 
and replace) so that when importing into a genealogy database the data goes 
in the right places. However you can also map the data during the import 
process;

(from Legacy Help) Put Unrecognized Items into Notes Field
This option puts any unrecognized information into the Notes of the 
individual being read at the time.  For example, a line such as OCCUP 
Bricklayer would be put into the Notes because OCCUP it is not a standard 
GEDCOM tag.  (You can also re-map unrecognized tags to standard tags before 
you start the import.)

However the comment by Richard was on a slightly different topic - he was 
suggesting importing a gedcom as-is into your Legacy genealogy database as a 
new file, tidying it up, and then if you are satisfied with it to import the 
new Legacy file into your main Legacy database (rather than importing a 
gedcom straight into your main database).

Cheers, Brett

BMcL Robinson


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Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 12:27 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Editing a GEDCOM (Was When Do you import versus merging 
??)


What program do you use to edit a GEDCOM file?

Ila East

RICHARD SCHULTHIES wrote:
 I always gedcom into a new file, fix the locations and sources MY way,
 then add it into my main DB, then do a merge. The group taught me that
 when I was a Newbie, and we try to repeat it regularly for the next
 batch of newbies to hear.
 Rich in LA CA






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RE: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out

It's Brian the Support Tech... he's not a programmer.

The programmers are Dave, Ken and Luc.




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Actually I believe we have Brian the Programmer and two Brians the User.

Brian
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Re: [LegacyUG] Book done by compiler, NOT author or editor

2009-09-17 Thread Arnold Sprague


michele,
The book is Protestant Marriages from Almonte  Region, Ontario (1817-1943).
It very clearly states, Compiled by Peter Anderson.
Per EE, page 668, it does *none* of the things required to have the 
status of author. It does no more than show marriage names and 
dates. This is not meant to be a put-down at all. It is over 370 
pages of helpful information. I would like to show it as a compiled work

Arnold


At 07:08 AM 9/17/2009, you wrote:
Is this a book authored by an agency?  There is an option for 
that.  Or, is it anonymous?  You could chose the author not known option.


michele

- Original Message - From: Arnold Sprague 
aspra...@chicagobooth.edu

To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:51 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Book done by compiler, NOT author or editor



I need to source a book which is clearly NOT done by an author or an
editor, per Evidence Explained (EE), by Elizabeth Shown Mills. (See
12.8, Author's Role: Compiler or Author, page 668.)
Legacy's SourceWriter, however, ONLY allows me to enter an author or
editor, if I choose to use SourceWriter for a book.
Is there a way for me to override the text (change author/editor to
compiler) when Legacy shows the source?
I prefer to use EE and SourceWriter; so please let's NOT digress into
discussions as to perceived shortcomings of either.
Thank you,
Arnold





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Re: [LegacyUG] Book done by compiler, NOT author or editor


What I do is this...

I put in the compiler's name as the author but I put a comma after his last 
name and put compiler so when it shows up it looks like this...


Peter Anderson, compiler

It works like a charm!

michele

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From: Arnold Sprague aspra...@chicagobooth.edu

To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Book done by compiler, NOT author or editor



michele,
The book is Protestant Marriages from Almonte  Region, Ontario 
(1817-1943).

It very clearly states, Compiled by Peter Anderson.
Per EE, page 668, it does *none* of the things required to have the
status of author. It does no more than show marriage names and
dates. This is not meant to be a put-down at all. It is over 370
pages of helpful information. I would like to show it as a compiled work
Arnold


At 07:08 AM 9/17/2009, you wrote:

Is this a book authored by an agency?  There is an option for
that.  Or, is it anonymous?  You could chose the author not known 
option.


michele

- Original Message - From: Arnold Sprague
aspra...@chicagobooth.edu
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:51 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Book done by compiler, NOT author or editor



I need to source a book which is clearly NOT done by an author or an
editor, per Evidence Explained (EE), by Elizabeth Shown Mills. (See
12.8, Author's Role: Compiler or Author, page 668.)
Legacy's SourceWriter, however, ONLY allows me to enter an author or
editor, if I choose to use SourceWriter for a book.
Is there a way for me to override the text (change author/editor to
compiler) when Legacy shows the source?
I prefer to use EE and SourceWriter; so please let's NOT digress into
discussions as to perceived shortcomings of either.
Thank you,
Arnold





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Re: [LegacyUG] Book done by compiler, NOT author or editor


actually, you have to put it after the first name

It will print like this...

Anderson, Peter, compiler

Or, you could put compiled by in front of Anderson...


compiled by Anderson, Peter

Either way it will work

michele

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To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Book done by compiler, NOT author or editor



michele,
The book is Protestant Marriages from Almonte  Region, Ontario 
(1817-1943).

It very clearly states, Compiled by Peter Anderson.
Per EE, page 668, it does *none* of the things required to have the
status of author. It does no more than show marriage names and
dates. This is not meant to be a put-down at all. It is over 370
pages of helpful information. I would like to show it as a compiled work
Arnold


At 07:08 AM 9/17/2009, you wrote:

Is this a book authored by an agency?  There is an option for
that.  Or, is it anonymous?  You could chose the author not known 
option.


michele

- Original Message - From: Arnold Sprague
aspra...@chicagobooth.edu
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:51 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Book done by compiler, NOT author or editor



I need to source a book which is clearly NOT done by an author or an
editor, per Evidence Explained (EE), by Elizabeth Shown Mills. (See
12.8, Author's Role: Compiler or Author, page 668.)
Legacy's SourceWriter, however, ONLY allows me to enter an author or
editor, if I choose to use SourceWriter for a book.
Is there a way for me to override the text (change author/editor to
compiler) when Legacy shows the source?
I prefer to use EE and SourceWriter; so please let's NOT digress into
discussions as to perceived shortcomings of either.
Thank you,
Arnold





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RE: [LegacyUG] Is it possible to COPY an event?

2009-09-17 Thread Cathy-0

Try using the Repeat button on the event screen.  It will copy the previous
event's text.

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Of Brian L. Lightfoot
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:59 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Is it possible to COPY an event?

I've ignored this little task for almost two years now but sooner or later I
need to duplicate a number of events on one person and attach the same event
to a different person. The reason for my reluctance is that each event has a
number of images attached and each event has extensive notes. I am well
aware of the SOURCE CLIPBOARD but I don't see any means within Legacy other
than to use the Windows clipboard for each new event to copy and paste from
the other individual, create the field data, and paste the notes and images
over and over and over..UGH! Any ideas?

Brian
(the one in CA)

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Re: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter - IRC - which template... PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE

I would appreciate it if any of you would point out any problems you think I 
may have by using the following sourcing approach re: interviews, emails, phone 
calls, etc...

I have a master source for the Personal Knowledge of each of my relatives 
from whom I have obtained data about their relatives and/or our common 
ancestors.  Then in the detail I put email Sep 9 2009 or interview Aug 5 
2009 or questionnaire Jun 1989.  Admittedly, I sometimes will set up a 
separate source for a letter, because I have hard copy.  And most of mine are 
Basic format (for now).  When I started using SW format, I went gung ho for the 
email template, etc., but then thought I really didn't need a master source 
for each email I received from my cousin in England!  Another advantage 
I thought I would have is that I could turn off printing these detail citations 
more easily, if nec. for some reporting in the future.

I welcome your thoughts, flame or otherwise. ;)
 --Paula in Texas
Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough 
Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd 
Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald 
Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams 



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To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:16:32 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter - IRC - which template and how to use it 
specifically?

Dan Bateham wrote
 Has anyone any suggestions, with specifics, for using a SourceWriter template 
 for documenting an online chat (IRC) more or less in accordance with _EE_ 
 standards?

I would use the template for InterviewsTranscriptsPrivately held.

I think the word transcript only appears in the Bibliography and you can use 
the Override on the Master Source to delete that word if it is not 
appropriate.  Personally, I don't think the fact that the interview - or 
chat - took place online rather than face to face is important, but you could 
add a note to that effect in the Comment if you wished.
-- Jenny M Benson



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RE: [LegacyUG] Book done by compiler, NOT author or editor

2009-09-17 Thread Cathy-0

Why not just place in the author field the following?   
Peter Anderson, compiler

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To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Book done by compiler, NOT author or editor

michele,
The book is Protestant Marriages from Almonte  Region, Ontario
(1817-1943).
It very clearly states, Compiled by Peter Anderson.
Per EE, page 668, it does *none* of the things required to have the 
status of author. It does no more than show marriage names and 
dates. This is not meant to be a put-down at all. It is over 370 
pages of helpful information. I would like to show it as a compiled work
Arnold

At 07:08 AM 9/17/2009, you wrote:
Is this a book authored by an agency?  There is an option for 
that.  Or, is it anonymous?  You could chose the author not known option.

michele

- Original Message - From: Arnold Sprague 
aspra...@chicagobooth.edu
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:51 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Book done by compiler, NOT author or editor

I need to source a book which is clearly NOT done by an author or an
editor, per Evidence Explained (EE), by Elizabeth Shown Mills. (See
12.8, Author's Role: Compiler or Author, page 668.)
Legacy's SourceWriter, however, ONLY allows me to enter an author or
editor, if I choose to use SourceWriter for a book.
Is there a way for me to override the text (change author/editor to
compiler) when Legacy shows the source?
I prefer to use EE and SourceWriter; so please let's NOT digress into
discussions as to perceived shortcomings of either.
Thank you,
Arnold

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[LegacyUG] Just Starting Out



Paula, 



Your suggestions were really helpful. I can enter just my family and play 
around with that until I like what I see. That sounds like a plan! Thanks. 



Sherry 




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Re: [LegacyUG] Book done by compiler, NOT author or editor


Arnold Sprague wrote
I need to source a book which is clearly NOT done by an author or an 
editor, per Evidence Explained (EE), by Elizabeth Shown Mills. (See 
12.8, Author's Role: Compiler or Author, page 668.)
Legacy's SourceWriter, however, ONLY allows me to enter an author or 
editor, if I choose to use SourceWriter for a book.
Is there a way for me to override the text (change author/editor to 
compiler) when Legacy shows the source?
I prefer to use EE and SourceWriter; so please let's NOT digress into 
discussions as to perceived shortcomings of either.


Simply chose whichever template seems most appropriate, assuming a known 
editor and at the Master Source level you can override the Bibliography 
to change the word editor to compiler.
Then at Source Detail level you can override the Footnote/Endnote 
citation to change editor to compiler there.

--
Jenny M Benson



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[LegacyUG] Birth, Marriage, Death Sources



Don, 



Your description of how you use master sources and detail citations was so 
helpful. I think I understood for the first time how the two work together. 
This will help me a lot as I am just starting out. Thanks. 



Sherry 




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Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out

No harm, no foul.
Rich in LA CA



- Original Message 
From: Arnold Sprague aspra...@chicagobooth.edu
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:26:00 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out

Richard et al.,
        I do not believe that any of us ought to be in the business of telling 
other *Legacy users* what to call themselves. Especially when the person, in 
this case, is Just Starting Out.
        Besides, Sherry and Brian, of Legacy, identify themselves as Support in 
their From lines. Yes, that was my idea. Far better to ask Sherry and Brian 
than to ask a newbie.
        Just my two-bits. Please no flames from anyone.
          Arnold


At 06:33 PM 9/16/2009, you wrote:
 As you have seen, you could call yourself, 'not that Sherrry', but it might 
 be nicer as Sherry from ' '. At one point there were (and still are probably) 
 about 6 helpers named variations of Rich, so I chose. Rich in LA CA - 
 Original Message  From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk To: 
 LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 
 3:35:40 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out wrote  My name is 
 Sherry and I've just joined the group Oh good!  We already have a not that 
 Brian, the other one, now we have the matching pair with a not that Sherry, 
 the other one. My advice to you, Sherry, would be to take it S-l-o-w and 
 read up everything you can on genealogy in general and Legacy in particular. 
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[LegacyUG] Just Starting Out



Thanks Jenny. I have been reading and looking at websites that have classes 
on genealogy in general. I'm trying to find some books about Legacy 7, but I've 
not been too successful there. Any ones you could recommend? 



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Re: [LegacyUG] Editing a GEDCOM (Was When Do you import versus merging ??)

I don't edit the Gedcom, actually, but after adding into a new database, I go 
to the Master location list, and set them up my way (short name, long/lat, add 
county names). Then I run a Potential Problems report, to find any possible 
errors, so I can fix or tag them. Ex: I have a death date of Feb 30, 1829. 
After analyzing the surrounding records, some Feb 29 and also some Mar 1, 
decided I will never solve this. Then I add the new DB into the old setting 
both ' higher' RIN and MRIN numbers to segregate the new . Since I have over 
25000 names I would use 3 as a start. Then the merge. That leaves only the 
unmerged people with the higher numbers, so I can see who needs more work and 
possible rechecking old Souces.
Good luck, Rich in LA CA



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Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:27:23 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Editing a GEDCOM (Was When Do you import versus merging ??)

What program do you use to edit a GEDCOM file?

Ila East

RICHARD SCHULTHIES wrote:
 I always gedcom into a new file, fix the locations and sources MY way, then 
 add it into my main DB, then do a merge. The group taught me that when I was 
 a Newbie, and we try to repeat it regularly for the next batch of newbies to 
 hear.
 Rich in LA CA
  




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Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out



Hi Kirsten, 



Your thoughts reminded me that I can sometimes (most times) want to do 
something perfectly. I can do my homework and later if I need a redo, that's 
ok. And, most importantly, I am going to have fun. Thanks. 



Sherry from Washington (thanks for the suggestion, Rich) 


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To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:22:03 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out 

Sherry: 

Welcome to the group! 

You're wise to give some thought to the end product that you'd like to achieve. 
 As others have suggested, entering a few names and previewing the results is 
definitely a good way to start.  But I would caution that you not be overly 
concerned about having things perfect straight out of the gate.  No matter how 
hard you try, you're bound to find eventually that you wish you'd done 
something a little differently.  Fortunately with Legacy many changes are 
relatively easy to make.  I wouldn't want to discourage you, but some of us 
have documented family for years and then decided to make significant changes 
for one reason or another.  A fair portion of the learning process is time and 
experience, so dig in and have fun with it. 

Kirsten 

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daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net 
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:48 AM 
To: LegacyUserGroup 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out 


Hi Everyone, 

My name is Sherry and I've just joined the group and have been watching it for 
about a week now. I haven't started on my family genealogy yet, so I have only 
purchased Legacy 7 with all the updates. Ron brought up a good point when he 
wrote: 

Herein lies a problem which all of us have probably faced when first starting 
out on our ancestral trail - we do not know where we are going! The earlier 
this decision is taken then the earlier the format of the database can be set. 
It also follows that one may need more than one database, if there are to be 
multiple output formats. 

I've done some thinking about this and decided that the main reasons I want to 
use Legacy for are: 

1) To upload my data to FamilySearch 
2) Print some simple charts that show my direct line that includes their 
spouses and children 
3) To create a simple web page with the information I find about my ancestors, 
including interesting stories, data, and sources for a very small family of a 
brother, sister, daughter, and nephew. 

I borrowed the first set of CDs on Legacy and watched them several times and 
they have helped me to learn how to get around the program and enter data. 
However, I am still left with trying to design my database as Ron pointed out. 
And, deciding on a way to enter sources, media, etc. When I find online 
information on my family and perhaps family trees that have been submitted how 
do I handle that? Do I download all the information and then go about trying to 
verify it? And probably many other things that I don't know enough about to 
even ask a question. Would you mind giving me some guidance about how to go 
about this? 

Sherry 





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Re: [LegacyUG] Book done by compiler, NOT author or editor

I would put whatever name connected with the document (publisher, government 
name), I can find and put in the field what I picked and why. Changing the 
'category' would not help, because changing author to compiler will not be 
documented, in a list of books, but  naming the author  'Bricks Publishing Co. 
as compiler' will always note the variance. There will always be something that 
refuses to fit organized rules.
Rich in LA CA


- Original Message 
From: Arnold Sprague aspra...@chicagobooth.edu
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:51:04 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Book done by compiler, NOT author or editor

I need to source a book which is clearly NOT done by an author or an editor, 
per Evidence Explained (EE), by Elizabeth Shown Mills. (See 12.8, Author's 
Role: Compiler or Author, page 668.)
Legacy's SourceWriter, however, ONLY allows me to enter an author or editor, if 
I choose to use SourceWriter for a book.
Is there a way for me to override the text (change author/editor to compiler) 
when Legacy shows the source?
I prefer to use EE and SourceWriter; so please let's NOT digress into 
discussions as to perceived shortcomings of either.
Thank you,
Arnold 



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Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out



Tom, 



Thanks for your suggestions. I found a family tree on Ancestry the other day 
with a few thousand names, but I have no way of knowing what is actually right 
or sourced, etc. Some of it sounds right. So, do I download (not sure how yet) 
everything into Legacy and then start trying to find sources? Since I don't do 
well with clutter in my life, I'm not sure how to pick my way through the 
stacks of names. But, I don't want to have to manually enter 5000 names either. 
And how do I fix something, like a relationship, or delete names that are 
completely wrong? And. Sorry, I am in a little bit of a panic. Deep breath. 
I know that I can benefit from someone else's research as a starting point for 
my own, so I don't want to reinvent the proverbial wheel. Would taking one name 
on the tree and finding sources that verify their relationship to me and then 
entering that name into my Legacy DB be too cumbersome? Or is there a better 
way? 



Sherry 


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From: TomK giz...@gmail.com 
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:08:11 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out 

Sherry, 


You asked: 
When I find online information on my family and perhaps family trees that have 
been submitted how do I handle that? Do I download all the information and then 
go about trying to verify it?  


I would be careful with what information you enter into your database that you 
pick up from online trees that do not list sources, but I personally do include 
such information if it seems to help obtain clues.  Two things I would suggest 
when you add information to your database is that:  
1) You always source the fields you populate so that later you know where and 
from whom you recorded the information.   There is nothing worse than to look 
at your database and wonder where you got a specific piece of information, 
especially if you find other records whose data conflicts with what you already 
have. 
2) As I enter the source information, I make use of Legacy's Surety Level, and 
use either 1 (Marginal), or 0 (Have Not Decided Yet) to be able to later 
identify those entries that I'm not sure of.  You can include the Surety Level 
when you print Source Citations in your reports.  


Once so entered, I then also look for supporting source documentation to 
verify/validate the information.  


Tom 


On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:48 PM,  daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net  wrote: 







Hi Everyone, 



My name is Sherry and I've just joined the group and have been watching it for 
about a week now. I haven't started on my family genealogy yet, so I have only 
purchased Legacy 7 with all the updates. Ron brought up a good point when he 
wrote: 



Herein lies a problem which all of us have probably faced when first starting 
out on our ancestral trail - we do not know where we are going! The earlier 
this decision is taken then the earlier the format of the database can be set. 
It also follows that one may need more than one database, if there are to be 
multiple output formats. 

I've done some thinking about this and decided that the main reasons I want to 
use Legacy for are: 



1) To upload my data to FamilySearch 

2) Print some simple charts that show my direct line that includes their 
spouses and children 

3) To create a simple web page with the information I find about my ancestors, 
including interesting stories, data, and sources for a very small family of a 
brother, sister, daughter, and nephew. 



I borrowed the first set of CDs on Legacy and watched them several times and 
they have helped me to learn how to get around the program and enter data. 
However, I am still left with trying to design my database as Ron pointed out. 
And, deciding on a way to enter sources, media, etc. When I find online 
information on my family and perhaps family trees that have been submitted how 
do I handle that? Do I download all the information and then go about trying to 
verify it? And probably many other things that I don't know enough about to 
even ask a question. Would you mind giving me some guidance about how to go 
about this? 



Sherry 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out



Ron, 



I am getting so many good suggestions and I really appreciate it. I have been 
looking at the input screens and lamenting over how many fields there were to 
fill in!! I looked at the OptionsCustomize and GOODNESS! There are a million 
of these it seems. I can see it is going to take some time just to play around 
and see what things look like as I change various things. Legacy sure seems 
like a very complex program and yet simple to use. I suppose it can do almost 
anything (except my laundry while I'm busy with genealogy.) Thanks. 



Sherry 
- Original Message - 
From: ronald ferguson ronfe...@msn.com 
To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:02:38 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out 


Sherry, 

Welcome aboard! 

My first piece of advice would be to have a play; someone suggested entering a 
small number of relatives. Whilst this is good practice for entering and 
sourcing data etc., you may not wish to change this once entered, in which case 
play with the Sample file - that's what it is for. When entering data remember 
that just because a field is there you don't need to put anything in it if you 
don't want. In any event have a look at the Sample file to see what the set up 
is like. 

Go to OptionsCustomise and learn the settings, again by playing with them, I'm 
afraid that there are a lot. The Help files are *always* the most up to date 
and the Help button on a screen relates only to that screen (same as f1 in most 
programs). 

Back-up regularly when involved in a long session. If you do not have a backup 
Icon on the top-bar then right click on the bar and drag it onto the main bar 
(and any others you fancy!). Always back-up when finishing - if no changes have 
been made you will not be invited to. Maintaining your back-ups means you can 
play to your hearts content without worrying about losing your stuff. 

Regard the RINs and MRINs as just numbers and not related to the status, or 
order of preference, of any individual. I see that you are thinking of creating 
web pages, I have omitted simple as who knows how it will grow - have a look 
at my simple one :-). Which, by the way, contains some tutorials which may 
interest you, the fergys.co.uk one (below). If thinking of using the Pedigree 
web pages, in CustomiseOptions set Legacy not to re-use empty RINs as those 
pages use them as the file names. 

Only use alpha-numeric characters plus hyphen and underscores in file and 
folder names, and it is better to settle on how you are going to use the case 
from day one eg. ronferguson.jpg or RonFerguson.jpg etc. Incidentally, Legacy 
does not like JPEG, so always use JPG instead. Remember that whilst Windows 
is case insensitive most web servers are not. 

I think I'd better leave it there else you may feel that it's a bit complicated 
- always feel free to ask here! 

Good luck 


Ron Ferguson 

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 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:48:20 + 
 From: daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net 
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out 
 
 
 
 
 
 Hi Everyone, 
 
 
 
 
 
 My name is Sherry and I've just joined the group and have been watching it 
 for about a week now. I haven't started on my family genealogy yet, so I have 
 only purchased Legacy 7 with all the updates. Ron brought up a good point 
 when he wrote: 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 I've done some thinking about this and decided that the main reasons I want 
 to use Legacy for are: 
 
 
 
 
 
 1) To upload my data to FamilySearch 
 
 
 2) Print some simple charts that show my direct line that includes their 
 spouses and children 
 
 
 3) To create a simple web page with the information I find about my 
 ancestors, including interesting stories, data, and sources for a very small 
 family of a brother, sister, daughter, and nephew. 
 
 
 
 
 
 I borrowed the first set of CDs on Legacy and watched them several times and 
 they have helped me to learn how to get around the program and enter data. 
 However, I am still left with trying to design my database as Ron pointed 
 out. And, deciding on a way to enter sources, media, etc. When I find online 
 information on my family and perhaps family trees that have been submitted 
 how do I handle that? Do I download all the information and then go about 
 trying to verify it? And probably many other things that I don't know enough 
 about to even ask a question. Would you mind giving me some guidance about 
 how to go about this? 
 
 
 
 
 
 Sherry 
 
 
 
 
 Legacy User Group

Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing parent - child relationship

2009-09-17 Thread Glenn Kinkade

Paula,

Legacy has two events you can use for this purpose:  Parentage-Maternal and
Parentage-Paternal.  You can use this event, assign a source, and in your
notes you can indicate this is a proven relationship (you have a birth
certificate with child and parent listed), this is your hypotheses and
explain why it is highly probable based on indirect evidence or this is your
guess based on family folklore or some other information.

If this information is for your research only you may want to mark the event
as Private.

If the parentage is not proven you can use the event to establish a ToDo
item to record your research and hopefully prove the parentage of the child.

Hope this helps.

Glenn Kinkade
Dalals, TX

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.netwrote:

 First off, I am not talking about the child's relationship-to-father and
 relathionship-to-mother fields.

 How do you cite the source for knowing these are the parents of this
 child?  I mean, there is not a field to attach a source citation TO.  Maybe
 this is a silly question, but I have often wondered how to indicate that I
 know these are his parents because they are listed on his birth certificate,
 for example.  Or I found his parents' names by looking at his birth
 certificate...  Worded that way, do I cite the birth certificate on THEIR
 name fields?

 Am I way out in left field here?  But that relationship is a key item that
 has to be proven / documented for a DAR application, for example.

 Thanks, --Paula in Texas
 Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough
 Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd
 Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell
 McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams



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RE: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart

This whole thread began because the OP wanted, as I do, a chart of the
DIRECT relationship between two persons, not a calculation of EVERY
relationship possible between them.  As then mentioned, other programs have
had this capability for many years.  Does Legacy?, was asked.  Sherry from
Support said that Legacy does not and suggested using Relationship
Calculator instead.  That's when I began posting, because Support has no
answer, and I was hoping LUG would.

The problem with Relationship Calculator first appeared in LUG 5 or 6 years
ago - with no resolution or help from Support.

If it were possible to create a Direct Descent (or Ascent) Chart/Report
between two persons, I could count the generations myself!  But there is NO
such capability!

I presume the problem with the programming is why there is no Direct
Relationship Report or Chart - Legacy can't do such.


CE


-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf
Of ronald ferguson
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:20 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart


As somebody else suggested - are you certain that you PC is big enough, ie.
enough memory, to handle your request? Have you tried increasing the virtual
memory - if your hard drive is big enough?

I still maintain that your setting of 50 is probably too low for all the
blood relationships to be calculated.


Ron Ferguson

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 From: wood...@msn.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart
 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:06:51 -0700

 I have no problem with Ancestry Colors. The 28th GGU is a direct ancestor,
 as is his brother. Ancestry Colors are correct; Direct Line Bold is color.

 It is the Calculator which shows one (full) brother as a GGF and the other
 as a GGU. Because of generations marrying at different times,
 intermarriages, multiple lines of ascent to the same person, one brother
is
 shown as a 28th GGF, but the other as a 28th GGU! Accordingly,
Relationship
 Calculator shows no direct connection between me and the person it insists
 is my 28th GGU.

 That incorrectly called 28th GGU had a son, who is called, incorrectly,
the
 Husband of my 26th GGM rather than my 26th or 27th GGF (He is both). As I
 said, Legacy has a problem with the math. In this case, it cannot
 understand that a 29th GGF had one son who is a 28th GGF and also a son
who
 is both a 26th and a 28th GGF. Accordingly, all the children in his line
 are not calculating as being my direct ancestors by Calculator. Ancestry
 Colors and Direct Line Bold show them as direct ancestors, but those two
 functions do not deal with the math.

 It seems impossible for Legacy to do this because the numbering confuses
the
 program.


 CE


 -Original Message-
 From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf
 Of RICHARD SCHULTHIES
 Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:29 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart

 So you are saying that, when using the four colors for grandparents'
lines,
 ancestors of yours which are showing (apparently) different colors than
you
 expect, meaning they come through a different grandparent.
 Question 1. Is this person in both gp lines?
 Question 2. When running the program, how many different lines are found
 between the 2 people.  Have you printed all of them ( for purposes of
 analyzing where the divergences are?
 Since I don't use the four colors, I can't help with that, but since each
 line is a direct line, everyone on that line should match until a
 marriage to another color supersedes, using the internal rules.
 The 'increasing to 50' is actually a hard drive/ram problem. When I was
 using my desktop using L5, using the tools, slowed to snail pace, then I
 eventually 'pressed the button'. When I got my laptop, I found it was
 faster, and took a much larger report to get to the same problem. I bought
a
 external hard drive 3 weeks ago, and haven't had it 'crash'  yet. You may
 need more power. I did.
 Rich in LA CA



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 From: CE Wood 
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:07:07 AM
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart

 Because every time I have tried to increase from 50, Legacy, hours later,
 returns the message that it cannot do it because it's too many people (or
 numbers, or something).  I forget the

Re: [LegacyUG] Handling Divorces in Charting

2009-09-17 Thread michael barberi

Can anyone advise me how to solve the following problem.  

  Most people want to see the ancestors of both of their parents and
their descendants, however I find no chart that will do this.  I like the 
hour-glass chart, but it only shows the ancestors of the selected person and 
his/her descendants (not the ancestors of his/her spouse).

Mike Barberi

In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus autem caritas. 
In essentials unity, in doubtful things liberty, but in all things love. 
St. Augustine (A.D. 354 - 430)





From: John S. Adams oldbr...@hotmail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:02:43 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Handling Divorces in Charting

If you are referring to Legacy Charting, you can certainly move any 
individual anywhere on the page.  Select the Drag only one individual icon 
on the left side of the screen (the little tree with one red square).  Then 
drag the ex to the desired location and drop her there.  You can then drag  
drop the current wife closer to the husband to balance the display.

John S. Adams
Hermosa Beach, CA

--
From: Tony Gain tkg...@iprimus.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:58 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Handling Dicorces in Charting

 When I create a chart which includes a Divorce the ex-Partner (in my chart
 the ex-wife) is shown next to her ex-spouse, and the current  wife is to 
 one
 side.



 While this is presumably correct in genealogy terms, I would prefer my 
 chart
 to show the current wife next to her husband.  Is there a way to achieve
 this ?



 Tks



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RE: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart

This whole thread began because the OP wanted, as I do, a chart of the
DIRECT relationship between two persons, not a calculation of EVERY
relationship possible between them.  As then mentioned, other programs have
had this capability for many years.  Does Legacy?, was asked.  Sherry from
Support said that Legacy does not and suggested using Relationship
Calculator instead.  That's when I began posting, because Support has no
answer, and I was hoping LUG would.

The problem with Relationship Calculator first appeared in LUG 5 or 6 years
ago - with no resolution or help from Support.

If it were possible to create a Direct Descent (or Ascent) Chart/Report
between two persons, I could count the generations myself!  But there is NO
such capability!

I presume the problem with the programming is why there is no Direct
Relationship Report or Chart - Legacy can't do such.


CE


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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf
Of ronald ferguson
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:20 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart


As somebody else suggested - are you certain that you PC is big enough, ie.
enough memory, to handle your request? Have you tried increasing the virtual
memory - if your hard drive is big enough?

I still maintain that your setting of 50 is probably too low for all the
blood relationships to be calculated.


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 From: wood...@msn.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart
 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:06:51 -0700

 I have no problem with Ancestry Colors. The 28th GGU is a direct ancestor,
 as is his brother. Ancestry Colors are correct; Direct Line Bold is color.

 It is the Calculator which shows one (full) brother as a GGF and the other
 as a GGU. Because of generations marrying at different times,
 intermarriages, multiple lines of ascent to the same person, one brother
is
 shown as a 28th GGF, but the other as a 28th GGU! Accordingly,
Relationship
 Calculator shows no direct connection between me and the person it insists
 is my 28th GGU.

 That incorrectly called 28th GGU had a son, who is called, incorrectly,
the
 Husband of my 26th GGM rather than my 26th or 27th GGF (He is both). As I
 said, Legacy has a problem with the math. In this case, it cannot
 understand that a 29th GGF had one son who is a 28th GGF and also a son
who
 is both a 26th and a 28th GGF. Accordingly, all the children in his line
 are not calculating as being my direct ancestors by Calculator. Ancestry
 Colors and Direct Line Bold show them as direct ancestors, but those two
 functions do not deal with the math.

 It seems impossible for Legacy to do this because the numbering confuses
the
 program.


 CE


 -Original Message-
 From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf
 Of RICHARD SCHULTHIES
 Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:29 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart

 So you are saying that, when using the four colors for grandparents'
lines,
 ancestors of yours which are showing (apparently) different colors than
you
 expect, meaning they come through a different grandparent.
 Question 1. Is this person in both gp lines?
 Question 2. When running the program, how many different lines are found
 between the 2 people.  Have you printed all of them ( for purposes of
 analyzing where the divergences are?
 Since I don't use the four colors, I can't help with that, but since each
 line is a direct line, everyone on that line should match until a
 marriage to another color supersedes, using the internal rules.
 The 'increasing to 50' is actually a hard drive/ram problem. When I was
 using my desktop using L5, using the tools, slowed to snail pace, then I
 eventually 'pressed the button'. When I got my laptop, I found it was
 faster, and took a much larger report to get to the same problem. I bought
a
 external hard drive 3 weeks ago, and haven't had it 'crash'  yet. You may
 need more power. I did.
 Rich in LA CA



 - Original Message 
 From: CE Wood 
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:07:07 AM
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart

 Because every time I have tried to increase from 50, Legacy, hours later,
 returns the message that it cannot do it because it's too many people (or
 numbers, or something).  I forget the

[LegacyUG] Chart question

2009-09-17 Thread Mary Figgins

I'm trying to put together a descendancy chart for a small family get
together of my mother, her sibling and their children and
grandchildren.  Some the of the cousins have never met each other and
don't know who each other are.  The chart is to help them know how we all fit
together.  There a few things I'd really like to have on the chart but can't 
find.  I'm using Legacy Charting.

1. Is it is possible to show children of
previous marriages of the spouse?  My sister and brother have both
married people who have children by a previous marriage.  Even though
they are not blood relatives, these older children are considered
part of our family.  I remember my uncle have boys older than me.  I just found 
out that they were his wife's from a previous marriage.  Can a chart show these 
children?  If not, is there some way to cleanly edit the chart to insert them?

2. It would also be great if I could do one chart, such as the hourglass, with 
our grandfather's ancestry on one side and grandmother's ancestry on the 
other.  Is this possible?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out

2009-09-17 Thread Heather Stovold

One thing I didn't mention if you use my method here - always make sure that
you are looking at the database you think you are in Legacy!   You want to
make changes in the file you think you are making changes.

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Heather Stovold hstov...@gmail.com wrote:

 What I do, is I download the information into a DIFFERENT Legacy
 database  I include something like Research, or something like that in
 the name.  So probably something like  Research Smith FS  (a Research
 database on the Smith line that I got off of Family Search.  I can put more
 information on where I got it in something like the Research Notes.
 I use my research databases as CLUES as to what might be the information.
  When I have verified the information for a person or family from sources, I
 usually use Spit-Screen to drag the person into my main database (after
 making sure I have Cleaned the person places, etc to fit the standards I
 use to input information.)   Again - I'm only moving a person or maybe a
 family.

 Therefore, I don't have garbage cluttering my database, yet I have the
 information readily available.  And I don't have to type in everything
 either.

Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out

2009-09-17 Thread Tim Rosenlof

Take a look at Mark Lang's book at the Legacy Store. I've not used it so 
I cannot give a review. I do know Mark has been a Legacy user for years.


http://www.legacyfamilytreestore.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=5

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Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out

2009-09-17 Thread Heather Stovold

What I do, is I download the information into a DIFFERENT Legacy
database  I include something like Research, or something like that in
the name.  So probably something like  Research Smith FS  (a Research
database on the Smith line that I got off of Family Search.  I can put more
information on where I got it in something like the Research Notes.
I use my research databases as CLUES as to what might be the information.
 When I have verified the information for a person or family from sources, I
usually use Spit-Screen to drag the person into my main database (after
making sure I have Cleaned the person places, etc to fit the standards I
use to input information.)   Again - I'm only moving a person or maybe a
family.

Therefore, I don't have garbage cluttering my database, yet I have the
information readily available.  And I don't have to type in everything
either.

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:22 PM, daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net wrote:

 Tom,



 Thanks for your suggestions. I found a family tree on Ancestry the other
 day with a few thousand names, but I have no way of knowing what is actually
 right or sourced, etc. Some of it sounds right. So, do I download (not sure
 how yet) everything into Legacy and then start trying to find sources? Since
 I don't do well with clutter in my life, I'm not sure how to pick my way
 through the stacks of names. But, I don't want to have to manually enter
 5000 names either. And how do I fix something, like a relationship, or
 delete names that are completely wrong? And. Sorry, I am in a little bit
 of a panic. Deep breath. I know that I can benefit from someone else's
 research as a starting point for my own, so I don't want to reinvent the
 proverbial wheel. Would taking one name on the tree and finding sources that
 verify their relationship to me and then entering that name into my Legacy
 DB be too cumbersome? Or is there a better way?



 Sherry

Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out

2009-09-17 Thread Elizabeth Cunningham

Are there people in the list you are closely related to?  If there are, 
could you start with them?  and work out?  If there aren't, who is in 
the list that you are interested in?  Maybe start with them?


I would source what I could for the closest ones, and pick a line and 
work out, maybe line by line.


  Elizabeth C

daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net wrote:


Tom,

 

Thanks for your suggestions. I found a family tree on Ancestry the 
other day with a few thousand names, but I have no way of knowing what 
is actually right or sourced, etc. Some of it sounds right. So, do I 
download (not sure how yet) everything into Legacy and then start 
trying to find sources? Since I don't do well with clutter in my 
life, I'm not sure how to pick my way through the stacks of names. 
But, I don't want to have to manually enter 5000 names either. And how 
do I fix something, like a relationship, or delete names that are 
completely wrong? And. Sorry, I am in a little bit of a panic. 
Deep breath. I know that I can benefit from someone else's research as 
a starting point for my own, so I don't want to reinvent the 
proverbial wheel. Would taking one name on the tree and finding 
sources that verify their relationship to me and then entering that 
name into my Legacy DB be too cumbersome? Or is there a better way?


 


Sherry


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From: TomK giz...@gmail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:08:11 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada 
Pacific

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out

Sherry,


You asked:
When I find online information on my family and perhaps family trees 
that have been submitted how do I handle that? Do I download all the 
information and then go about trying to verify it? 


I would be careful with what information you enter into your database 
that you pick up from online trees that do not list sources, but I 
personally do include such information if it seems to help obtain 
clues.  Two things I would suggest when you add information to your 
database is that: 
1) You always source the fields you populate so that later you know 
where and from whom you recorded the information.   There is nothing 
worse than to look at your database and wonder where you got a 
specific piece of information, especially if you find other records 
whose data conflicts with what you already have.
2) As I enter the source information, I make use of Legacy's Surety 
Level, and use either 1 (Marginal), or 0 (Have Not Decided Yet) to be 
able to later identify those entries that I'm not sure of.  You can 
include the Surety Level when you print Source Citations in your reports. 

Once so entered, I then also look for supporting source documentation 
to verify/validate the information. 


Tom

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:48 PM, daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net 
mailto:daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net wrote:


Hi Everyone,

 


My name is Sherry and I've just joined the group and have been
watching it for about a week now. I haven't started on my family
genealogy yet, so I have only purchased Legacy 7 with all the
updates. Ron brought up a good point when he wrote:

 


Herein lies a problem which all of us have probably faced when
first starting out on our ancestral trail - we do not know where
we are going! The earlier this decision is taken then the earlier
the format of the database can be set. It also follows that one
may need more than one database, if there are to be multiple
output formats.

I've done some thinking about this and decided that the main
reasons I want to use Legacy for are:

 


1) To upload my data to FamilySearch

2) Print some simple charts that show my direct line that includes
their spouses and children

3) To create a simple web page with the information I find about
my ancestors, including interesting stories, data, and sources for
a very small family of a brother, sister, daughter, and nephew.

 


I borrowed the first set of CDs on Legacy and watched them several
times and they have helped me to learn how to get around the
program and enter data. However, I am still left with trying to
design my database as Ron pointed out. And, deciding on a way to
enter sources, media, etc. When I find online information on my
family and perhaps family trees that have been submitted how do I
handle that? Do I download all the information and then go about
trying to verify it? And probably many other things that I don't
know enough about to even ask a question. Would you mind giving me
some guidance about how to go about this?

 


Sherry






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Re: [LegacyUG] Is it possible to COPY an event?

And if the Repeat button or Copy Event to Clipboard and Paste Event from 
Clipboard icons don't also copy the images for you, look at the Picture 
Center.  Once the individual has the Event, you can click on the person on the 
left, the image in the middle, the event in the middle bottom and Attach.  Go 
to next person.  I can see this in my mind's eye... hopefully, I have 
explained it well enough.
 --Paula in Texas
Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough 
Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd 
Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald 
Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams



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RE: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out

2009-09-17 Thread Kirsten Bowman

Sherry:

I can't resist the urge to butt in here.  Personally I'd *never* download a 
file from Ancestry or RootsWeb.  If these people aren't sufficiently important 
to you to warrant entering them individually, carefully, and according to your 
own standards then you probably don't need them in your database.

Begin with what you know and can prove with solid sources and enter that.  When 
you hit a sticking point, then you can do a search at Ancestry (I actually 
prefer RootsWeb) to see if anyone else has researched that particular ancestor 
and if they give any clues to help expand your search.  Look especially for 
files with source notes included and then check out those sources yourself.  
Avoid adopting any files indicating that the data came from someone else's 
GEDCOM or from other trees at Ancestry.  Those may give you clues about where 
to look for proof, but don't accept them without checking the sources 
personally.  And make full use of Legacy's Research Guidance.  

Unfortunately there's a tremendous amount of genealogical garbage in trees and 
even personal websites online and most of it comes from people downloading and 
merging GEDCOMs from others without checking to see if it makes sense.  
Ancestry seems dedicated to making that easier to do with every innovation.

Off my soapbox now.

Kirsten
  
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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of 
daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:22 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out


Tom,

Thanks for your suggestions. I found a family tree on Ancestry the other day 
with a few thousand names, but I have no way of knowing what is actually right 
or sourced, etc. Some of it sounds right. So, do I download (not sure how yet) 
everything into Legacy and then start trying to find sources? Since I don't do 
well with clutter in my life, I'm not sure how to pick my way through the 
stacks of names. But, I don't want to have to manually enter 5000 names either. 
And how do I fix something, like a relationship, or delete names that are 
completely wrong? And. Sorry, I am in a little bit of a panic. Deep breath. 
I know that I can benefit from someone else's research as a starting point for 
my own, so I don't want to reinvent the proverbial wheel. Would taking one name 
on the tree and finding sources that verify their relationship to me and then 
entering that name into my Legacy DB be too cumbersome? Or is there a better 
way?

Sherry

- Original Message -
From: TomK giz...@gmail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:08:11 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out

Sherry,


You asked:
When I find online information on my family and perhaps family trees that have 
been submitted how do I handle that? Do I download all the information and then 
go about trying to verify it? 


I would be careful with what information you enter into your database that you 
pick up from online trees that do not list sources, but I personally do include 
such information if it seems to help obtain clues.  Two things I would suggest 
when you add information to your database is that: 
1) You always source the fields you populate so that later you know where and 
from whom you recorded the information.   There is nothing worse than to look 
at your database and wonder where you got a specific piece of information, 
especially if you find other records whose data conflicts with what you already 
have.
2) As I enter the source information, I make use of Legacy's Surety Level, and 
use either 1 (Marginal), or 0 (Have Not Decided Yet) to be able to later 
identify those entries that I'm not sure of.  You can include the Surety Level 
when you print Source Citations in your reports. 


Once so entered, I then also look for supporting source documentation to 
verify/validate the information. 


Tom





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Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart

Who is OP?  Me?  Mine was the email at the bottom of this miles-long thread I 
just snipped.
 --Paula in Texas
Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough 
Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd 
Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald 
Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams 



- Original Message 
From: CE Wood wood...@msn.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:50:46 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart

This whole thread began because the OP wanted, as I do, a chart of the
DIRECT relationship between two persons, not a calculation of EVERY
relationship possible between them.  

snip



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RE: [LegacyUG] Birth certificate as a master source

2009-09-17 Thread Kirsten Bowman

Same here, Jenny.

I have 476 sources for 8170 names.  If the sources weren't lumped there
would surely be thousands.

Kirsten


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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Jenny M Benson
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 2:58 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Birth certificate as a master source


Boyd Miller wrote
So far I have only 300 master sources for 5000 names in the larger of
my two families and this will grow a I replace some of the Marginal
evidence sources with better ones.

Blimey!  I'm a dedicated lumper but I already have over 330 Master
Sources for about 3,500 names.
--
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Re: [LegacyUG] Handling Divorces in Charting

My guess. Does the divorce couple have a child?  Create using that person. If 
there is none, create a fake person called ' Here is a chart to show both sides 
of family'. This should then be deleted before you do more input. 
Rich in LA CA

From: michael barberi michaelbarb...@yahoo.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:44:51 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Handling Divorces in Charting

Can anyone advise me how to solve the following problem.  

  Most people want to see the ancestors of both of their parents and their 
descendants, however I find no chart that will do this.  I like the 
hour-glass chart, but it only shows the ancestors of the selected person and 
his/her descendants (not the ancestors of his/her spouse).

Mike Barberi

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In essentials unity, in doubtful things liberty, but in all things love. 
St. Augustine (A.D. 354 - 430) 

From: John S. Adams oldbr...@hotmail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:02:43 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Handling Divorces in Charting

If you are referring to Legacy Charting, you can certainly move any 
individual anywhere on the page.  Select the Drag only one individual icon 
on the left side of the screen (the little tree with one red square).  Then 
drag the ex to the desired location and drop her there.  You can then drag  
drop the current wife closer to the husband to balance the display.

John S. Adams
Hermosa Beach, CA

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From: Tony Gain tkg...@iprimus.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:58 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Handling Dicorces in Charting

 When I create a chart which includes a Divorce the ex-Partner (in my chart
 the ex-wife) is shown next to her ex-spouse, and the current  wife is to 
 one
 side.

 While this is presumably correct in genealogy terms, I would prefer my 
 chart
 to show the current wife next to her husband.  Is there a way to achieve
 this ?

 Tks

 Tony

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[LegacyUG] Minor problem using Access to convert a source's format

This is probably just for Richard Van Wasshnova.  I am following his 
instructions from June (only have hard copy of the email now).  

Here's what I did:
Backed up my family file. ;)
Picked one basic master source that had only one citation to one person as 
my trial run.
Added a master source to go with the basic source using SW template.
Tagged those two (and only those two).
Closed Legacy.  
Opened Access... my .fdb file.
In tblSR I sorted Z-A on SrcTag field to get my 2 to the top.
On the basic source, changed TemplateID from 0 to 62 (to match the other one).
On the basic source, changed UseStandard from 1 to 0 (don't use standard).
Left Contents on basic one as is (empty).
Closed Access.  Opened Legacy.
The used-to-be-basic master source now shows in the list with a dot, as 
expected.
I highlighted it and clicked on the Combine... button at the bottom.

Here's the problem:
The button did NOT change to Highlight Destination Source... as I was 
expecting.
I tested it on another source, and it did change.
I tried it on the new SW source (that I had just added) and it did NOT change.
I tried it again on the used-to-be-basic one, just to be sure, and it did NOT 
change.

Any thoughts?

 --Paula in Texas
Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough 
Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd 
Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald 
Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams 




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RE: [LegacyUG] Reinstalling Legacy 7.0

Head back to the Download page on the website - take a look on the right
under Frequently Asked Questions, where youll see the answer to your
question.


Thanks for using Legacy.

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf
Of Diane Szabo
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:29 PM
To: Legacy
Subject: [LegacyUG] Reinstalling Legacy 7.0

Hello Users,
 
I had major computer problems yesterday and evidently several Legacy files
were deleted.  I am now being prompted to reinstall Legacy 7.0, but when I
go to the Legacy site, it looks like I have to purchase this version again
to download.  Or - is there a workaround on this?
 
Please advise, and thanks in advance.
Diane




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Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart

I just ran Relationship Calculator using Charlemange on one side and the 
husband of a currently living descendant on the other (to get the married to 
stuff). The program found 5 lines, I chose one, and it created a 6 page report, 
with about 6-8 people per page. Each has a box with details of that person and 
spouse. Have you not gone to the print after finding the results? I can print 
each grouping separately. Easy to count. I must be misunderstanding you.
Rich in LA CA



- Original Message 
From: CE Wood wood...@msn.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:44:05 AM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart

This whole thread began because the OP wanted, as I do, a chart of the
DIRECT relationship between two persons, not a calculation of EVERY
relationship possible between them.  As then mentioned, other programs have
had this capability for many years.  Does Legacy?, was asked.  Sherry from
Support said that Legacy does not and suggested using Relationship
Calculator instead.  That's when I began posting, because Support has no
answer, and I was hoping LUG would.

The problem with Relationship Calculator first appeared in LUG 5 or 6 years
ago - with no resolution or help from Support.

If it were possible to create a Direct Descent (or Ascent) Chart/Report
between two persons, I could count the generations myself!  But there is NO
such capability!

I presume the problem with the programming is why there is no Direct
Relationship Report or Chart - Legacy can't do such.


CE


-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf
Of ronald ferguson
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:20 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart


As somebody else suggested - are you certain that you PC is big enough, ie.
enough memory, to handle your request? Have you tried increasing the virtual
memory - if your hard drive is big enough?

I still maintain that your setting of 50 is probably too low for all the
blood relationships to be calculated.


Ron Ferguson

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 From: wood...@msn.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart
 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:06:51 -0700

 I have no problem with Ancestry Colors. The 28th GGU is a direct ancestor,
 as is his brother. Ancestry Colors are correct; Direct Line Bold is color.

 It is the Calculator which shows one (full) brother as a GGF and the other
 as a GGU. Because of generations marrying at different times,
 intermarriages, multiple lines of ascent to the same person, one brother
is
 shown as a 28th GGF, but the other as a 28th GGU! Accordingly,
Relationship
 Calculator shows no direct connection between me and the person it insists
 is my 28th GGU.

 That incorrectly called 28th GGU had a son, who is called, incorrectly,
the
 Husband of my 26th GGM rather than my 26th or 27th GGF (He is both). As I
 said, Legacy has a problem with the math. In this case, it cannot
 understand that a 29th GGF had one son who is a 28th GGF and also a son
who
 is both a 26th and a 28th GGF. Accordingly, all the children in his line
 are not calculating as being my direct ancestors by Calculator. Ancestry
 Colors and Direct Line Bold show them as direct ancestors, but those two
 functions do not deal with the math.

 It seems impossible for Legacy to do this because the numbering confuses
the
 program.


 CE


 -Original Message-
 From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf
 Of RICHARD SCHULTHIES
 Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:29 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart

 So you are saying that, when using the four colors for grandparents'
lines,
 ancestors of yours which are showing (apparently) different colors than
you
 expect, meaning they come through a different grandparent.
 Question 1. Is this person in both gp lines?
 Question 2. When running the program, how many different lines are found
 between the 2 people.  Have you printed all of them ( for purposes of
 analyzing where the divergences are?
 Since I don't use the four colors, I can't help with that, but since each
 line is a direct line, everyone on that line should match until a
 marriage to another color supersedes, using the internal rules.
 The 'increasing to 50' is actually a hard drive/ram problem. When I was
 using my desktop using L5, using the

Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out

I would Gedcom the whole 5000 to a new database (as discussed earlier).  No 
need to TYPE all that. Then some of the stuff on Ancestry has sources listed.  
I don't use it much for that anymore (other places) but what I have done, at 
adding them in, tag everyone with a one, and over the next six months locate 
each source (to verify/make copies of the items) then remove the tag. When you  
finish as much as you care about,  then you can decide to add into your main 
DB. 
Happy transferring, Rich in LA CA




From: daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:22:15 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out


Tom,
 
Thanks for your suggestions. I found a family tree on Ancestry the other day 
with a few thousand names, but I have no way of knowing what is actually right 
or sourced, etc. Some of it sounds right. So, do I download (not sure how yet) 
everything into Legacy and then start trying to find sources? Since I don't do 
well with clutter in my life, I'm not sure how to pick my way through the 
stacks of names. But, I don't want to have to manually enter 5000 names either. 
And how do I fix something, like a relationship, or delete names that are 
completely wrong? And. Sorry, I am in a little bit of a panic. Deep breath. 
I know that I can benefit from someone else's research as a starting point for 
my own, so I don't want to reinvent the proverbial wheel. Would taking one name 
on the tree and finding sources that verify their relationship to me and then 
entering that name into my Legacy DB be too cumbersome? Or is there a better 
way?
 
Sherry

- Original Message -
From: TomK giz...@gmail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:08:11 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out

Sherry,

You asked:
When I find online information on my family and perhaps family trees that have 
been submitted how do I handle that? Do I download all the information and then 
go about trying to verify it? 

I would be careful with what information you enter into your database that you 
pick up from online trees that do not list sources, but I personally do include 
such information if it seems to help obtain clues.  Two things I would suggest 
when you add information to your database is that: 
1) You always source the fields you populate so that later you know where and 
from whom you recorded the information.   There is nothing worse than to look 
at your database and wonder where you got a specific piece of information, 
especially if you find other records whose data conflicts with what you already 
have.
2) As I enter the source information, I make use of Legacy's Surety Level, and 
use either 1 (Marginal), or 0 (Have Not Decided Yet) to be able to later 
identify those entries that I'm not sure of.  You can include the Surety Level 
when you print Source Citations in your reports. 

Once so entered, I then also look for supporting source documentation to 
verify/validate the information. 

Tom


On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:48 PM, daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net wrote:

Hi Everyone,
 
My name is Sherry and I've just joined the group and have been watching it for 
about a week now. I haven't started on my family genealogy yet, so I have only 
purchased Legacy 7 with all the updates. Ron brought up a good point when he 
wrote:
 
Herein lies a problem which all of us have probably faced when first starting 
out on our ancestral trail - we do not know where we are going! The earlier 
this decision is taken then the earlier the format of the database can be 
set. It also follows that one may need more than one database, if there are 
to be multiple output formats.

I've done some thinking about this and decided that the main reasons I want to 
use Legacy for are:
 
1) To upload my data to FamilySearch
2) Print some simple charts that show my direct line that includes their 
spouses and children
3) To create a simple web page with the information I find about my ancestors, 
including interesting stories, data, and sources for a very small family of a 
brother, sister, daughter, and nephew.
 
I borrowed the first set of CDs on Legacy and watched them several times and 
they have helped me to learn how to get around the program and enter data. 
However, I am still left with trying to design my database as Ron pointed out. 
And, deciding on a way to enter sources, media, etc. When I find online 
information on my family and perhaps family trees that have been submitted how 
do I handle that? Do I download all the information and then go about trying 
to verify it? And probably many other things that I don't know enough about to 
even ask a question. Would you mind giving me some guidance about how to go 
about this?
 
Sherry
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Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out


 wrote
I know that I can benefit from someone else's research as a starting 
point for my own, so I don't want to reinvent the proverbial wheel.


If you are going to take your genealogy studies seriously you really 
should do your own research and not just rely on someone else's say-so. 
That's not to say you shouldn't download someone's tree (with their 
permission, preferably!) and use it as a basis for your own research. 
If the other person's tree has what look like well-founded and reliable 
Sources, you might feel it less important to follow everything up, but 
if there are no Sources or flimsy ones, you'd be well advised to do your 
own research, but their data will give you a good idea where to start.


Doing your own research is much more fun than have someone else do it 
all for you and the professional way is to start with yourself and 
work back one generation at a time.

--
Jenny M Benson



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Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out -- downloaded trees

2009-09-17 Thread Ward Walker


Sherry,

As someone suggested earlier, import the downloaded GEDCOM into a temporary 
Legacy family file, not your main one. Then do as much cleanup and sanity 
checking as you can. Only when you find that you trust the data, merge it, 
or parts of it, into your file. Legacy has substantial tools to help resolve 
duplications during a merge, although not foolproof (e.g., if names are 
spelled differently).


Any family trees that I have found at public web sites contain either clear 
mistakes or unwarranted assumptions. Some people seem to throw together 
databases from various sources and hope that these people are really 
connected. Assumptions can get propagated until they appear to be validated 
from multiple sources, when really they are not. Sometimes you see birth 
dates that are clearly impossible. Of course if you can contact the person 
who uploaded the tree and get to know how they acquired the data, you are 
much further ahead.


Aside from whether the individuals really belong in your tree, you can clean 
up more mundane things like standardizing locations and dates before the 
merge.


For sources, you can automatically add a source during the merge that 
indicates that the individuals came from the online database. If you verify 
some data using other sources, you can add those source citations before or 
after the merge.


The good news is that may have found a large extended family that is valid! 
Good luck.


  Ward

- Original Message - 
From: daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net

To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out


Tom,

Thanks for your suggestions. I found a family tree on Ancestry the other day 
with a few thousand names, but I have no way of knowing what is actually 
right or sourced, etc. Some of it sounds right. So, do I download (not sure 
how yet) everything into Legacy and then start trying to find sources? Since 
I don't do well with clutter in my life, I'm not sure how to pick my way 
through the stacks of names. But, I don't want to have to manually enter 
5000 names either. And how do I fix something, like a relationship, or 
delete names that are completely wrong? And. Sorry, I am in a little bit 
of a panic. Deep breath. I know that I can benefit from someone else's 
research as a starting point for my own, so I don't want to reinvent the 
proverbial wheel. Would taking one name on the tree and finding sources that 
verify their relationship to me and then entering that name into my Legacy 
DB be too cumbersome? Or is there a better way?


Sherry

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Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing parent - child relationship

Thank you everyone for sharing your thoughts and suggestions on this topic.  
Going back and adding the source for the parental relationship (and that's two 
fields per person) sound daunting today... over 2000 individuals in my DB 
(which I know is small compared to some of yours but...).  I am in the process 
of really getting my files organized, so I will probably do this as I 
work through my direct lines as a first step.  This would've been a good one 
to think of and ask back when I was getting started!  Thanks again.
 --Paula in Texas
Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough 
Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd 
Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald 
Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams 





From: Glenn Kinkade legacydal...@gmail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:31:18 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing parent - child relationship

Paula,

Legacy has two events you can use for this purpose:  Parentage-Maternal and 
Parentage-Paternal.  You can use this event, assign a source, and in your notes 
you can indicate this is a proven relationship (you have a birth certificate 
with child and parent listed), this is your hypotheses and explain why it is 
highly probable based on indirect evidence or this is your guess based on 
family folklore or some other information.

If this information is for your research only you may want to mark the event as 
Private.

If the parentage is not proven you can use the event to establish a ToDo item 
to record your research and hopefully prove the parentage of the child.

Hope this helps.

Glenn Kinkade
Dalals, TX


On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net 
wrote:

First off, I am not talking about the child's relationship-to-father and 
relathionship-to-mother fields.

How do you cite the source for knowing these are the parents of this child?  
I mean, there is not a field to attach a source citation TO.  Maybe this is a 
silly question, but I have often wondered how to indicate that I know these 
are his parents because they are listed on his birth certificate, for 
example.  Or I found his parents' names by looking at his birth 
certificate...  Worded that way, do I cite the birth certificate on THEIR 
name fields? 

Am I way out in left field here?  But that relationship is a key item that has 
to be proven / documented for a DAR application, for example.

Thanks, --Paula in Texas
Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough 
Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd 
Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald 
Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams



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RE: [LegacyUG] Sherry from WA

Oh brother, this *is* going to get confusing!  I'm in Washington state also 
rbg

However, I *do* have a rather lengthy tag-line 

Sherry, where are you located in Washington state? We have a Legacy User Group 
which meets in Bellevue on the first Wednesday of the month.  If you're in the 
area, we'd love to have you join us!  There are also groups in Vancouver, 
Kitsap, and Kent - you can get more info on our website - click on Help Center 
 User Groups.

BTW, there's a lot of info under the Help Center menu on the website - take a 
look - and in the Help file in Legacy.

Thanks for using Legacy.

Sherry
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
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We are changing the world of genealogy!

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-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of 
Kirsten Bowman
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:17 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Sherry from WA

Sherry:

The trouble is that what's perfect today may not be perfect next year.  Who was 
attaching digital images to files a few years ago, or creating web pages, or 
obsessing over the formatting of sources--or, for that matter, even recording 
sources?  There's no way to predict where the current will carry us, so you can 
only do the best you can with what you have today.

And just a friendly reminder, you might want to get in the habit of posting to 
the list in plain text and trimming the posts before someone complains (and 
they will).

Good luck with your project.

Kirsten

-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of 
daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:10 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out


Hi Kirsten,

Your thoughts reminded me that I can sometimes (most times) want to do 
something perfectly. I can do my homework and later if I need a redo, that's 
ok. And, most importantly, I am going to have fun. Thanks.

Sherry from Washington (thanks for the suggestion, Rich)




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[LegacyUG] Reinstalling Legacy 7.0

2009-09-17 Thread Diane Szabo

Hello Users,

I had major computer problems yesterday and evidently several Legacy files were 
deleted.  I am now being prompted to reinstall Legacy 7.0, but when I go to the 
Legacy site, it looks like I have to purchase this version again to download.  
Or - is there a workaround on this?

Please advise, and thanks in advance.
Diane




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Re: [LegacyUG] RE: Is it possible to COPY an event?

It may be in the HELP file, but I did appreciate reading the thread and finally 
noticing those two icons on the Event screen! ;)
 --Paula in Texas
Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough 
Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd 
Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald 
Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams 



- Original Message 
From: Brian L. Lightfoot br...@the-lightfoots.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:17:08 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] RE: Is it possible to COPY an event?

Ignore this post!! It was actually posted by my wife who apparently has not
yet learned to use the HELP file that comes with Legacy and every other
software program made since the invention of the wheel.

Brian
(the one sleeping on the couch tonight)


-Original Message-
From: Brian L. Lightfoot [mailto:br...@the-lightfoots.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:59 PM
To: 'LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com'
Subject: Is it possible to COPY an event?

I've ignored this little task for almost two years now but sooner or later I
need to duplicate a number of events on one person and attach the same event
to a different person. The reason for my reluctance is that each event has a
number of images attached and each event has extensive notes. I am well
aware of the SOURCE CLIPBOARD but I don't see any means within Legacy other
than to use the Windows clipboard for each new event to copy and paste from
the other individual, create the field data, and paste the notes and images
over and over and over..UGH! Any ideas?

Brian
(the one in CA)





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[LegacyUG] Sherry from WA

2009-09-17 Thread Kirsten Bowman

Sherry:

The trouble is that what's perfect today may not be perfect next year.  Who was 
attaching digital images to files a few years ago, or creating web pages, or 
obsessing over the formatting of sources--or, for that matter, even recording 
sources?  There's no way to predict where the current will carry us, so you can 
only do the best you can with what you have today.

And just a friendly reminder, you might want to get in the habit of posting to 
the list in plain text and trimming the posts before someone complains (and 
they will).

Good luck with your project.

Kirsten

-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of 
daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:10 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out


Hi Kirsten,

Your thoughts reminded me that I can sometimes (most times) want to do 
something perfectly. I can do my homework and later if I need a redo, that's 
ok. And, most importantly, I am going to have fun. Thanks.

Sherry from Washington (thanks for the suggestion, Rich)






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Re: [LegacyUG] Minor problem using Access to convert a source's format


Paula Ryburn wrote

Here's the problem:
The button did NOT change to Highlight Destination 

Source... as I was expecting.
I tested it on another source, and it 

did change.
I tried it on the new SW source (that I had just added) and 

it did NOT change.
I tried it again on the used-to-be-basic one, just 

to be sure, and it did NOT change.


Any thoughts?

That's the method I am using to convert Basic Sources to SourceWriter 
and I have run into the same problem occasionally.  I have found if I 
close Legacy and open it again either the 2 Sources have been combined 
or I am now able to combine them with the button.


Sorry that's not precise, but it's a while since it happened and I just 
forget how it resolved itself, but I know it was resolved by re-starting 
Legacy.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out

2009-09-17 Thread TomK

Sherry,
I don't download GEDCOMs found on Ancestry or RootsWeb, but I do sometimes
accept hints and add information from other trees into my Ancestry tree on a
limited basis - one or two generations at a time, and then do my due
diligence to confirm the data.  It's not unusual to find multiple public
trees that have the same, erroneous data, that was just recopied by others.
 I usually try to find ones that have some source information listed.  If I
find something that is incorrect, I will usually try to contact the owner of
the information and offer to collaborate.

I enter everything manually into my Legacy database when I'm confident that
what I have is real.   Periodically - maybe twice a year, I might download a
GEDCOM of my personal ancestry tree, and then compare it to my Legacy
information looking for source information I may have forgotten to enter
into Legacy, or where I may have mistyped something.

Tom

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 1:22 PM, daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net wrote:

 Tom,



 Thanks for your suggestions. I found a family tree on Ancestry the other
 day with a few thousand names, but I have no way of knowing what is actually
 right or sourced, etc. Some of it sounds right. So, do I download (not sure
 how yet) everything into Legacy and then start trying to find sources? Since
 I don't do well with clutter in my life, I'm not sure how to pick my way
 through the stacks of names. But, I don't want to have to manually enter
 5000 names either. And how do I fix something, like a relationship, or
 delete names that are completely wrong? And. Sorry, I am in a little bit
 of a panic. Deep breath. I know that I can benefit from someone else's
 research as a starting point for my own, so I don't want to reinvent the
 proverbial wheel. Would taking one name on the tree and finding sources that
 verify their relationship to me and then entering that name into my Legacy
 DB be too cumbersome? Or is there a better way?



 Sherry


 - Original Message -
 From: TomK giz...@gmail.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:08:11 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out

 Sherry,

 You asked:
 When I find online information on my family and perhaps family trees that
 have been submitted how do I handle that? Do I download all the information
 and then go about trying to verify it? 

 I would be careful with what information you enter into your database that
 you pick up from online trees that do not list sources, but I personally do
 include such information if it seems to help obtain clues.  Two things I
 would suggest when you add information to your database is that:
 1) You always source the fields you populate so that later you know where
 and from whom you recorded the information.   There is nothing worse than to
 look at your database and wonder where you got a specific piece of
 information, especially if you find other records whose data conflicts with
 what you already have.
 2) As I enter the source information, I make use of Legacy's Surety Level,
 and use either 1 (Marginal), or 0 (Have Not Decided Yet) to be able to later
 identify those entries that I'm not sure of.  You can include the Surety
 Level when you print Source Citations in your reports.

 Once so entered, I then also look for supporting source documentation to
 verify/validate the information.

 Tom

 On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:48 PM, daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net wrote:

   Hi Everyone,



 My name is Sherry and I've just joined the group and have been watching it
 for about a week now. I haven't started on my family genealogy yet, so I
 have only purchased Legacy 7 with all the updates. Ron brought up a good
 point when he wrote:



 Herein lies a problem which all of us have probably faced when first
 starting out on our ancestral trail - we do not know where we are going!
 The earlier this decision is taken then the earlier the format of the
 database can be set. It also follows that one may need more than one
 database, if there are to be multiple output formats.


 I've done some thinking about this and decided that the main reasons I
 want to use Legacy for are:



 1) To upload my data to FamilySearch

 2) Print some simple charts that show my direct line that includes their
 spouses and children

 3) To create a simple web page with the information I find about my
 ancestors, including interesting stories, data, and sources for a very small
 family of a brother, sister, daughter, and nephew.



 I borrowed the first set of CDs on Legacy and watched them several times
 and they have helped me to learn how to get around the program and enter
 data. However, I am still left with trying to design my database as Ron
 pointed out. And, deciding on a way to enter sources, media, etc. When I
 find online information on my family and perhaps family trees that have been
 submitted how do I handle that? Do I download all the information

RE: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out

And *never* import directly into your main Family File. Always import into a 
new Family File, review the material, run it through the Potential Problems 
report to look for poor data entry habits and determine if you *really* want 
that data in your file.

After verifying and importing, do a merge to combine any possible duplicates.


Thanks for using Legacy.

Sherry
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
supp...@legacyfamilytree.com
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

We are changing the world of genealogy!

When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence.  
Thanks.



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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of 
Kirsten Bowman
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:50 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out

Sherry:

I can't resist the urge to butt in here.  Personally I'd *never* download a 
file from Ancestry or RootsWeb.  If these people aren't sufficiently important 
to you to warrant entering them individually, carefully, and according to your 
own standards then you probably don't need them in your database.
snip

Kirsten
  
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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of 
daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:22 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out


Tom,

Thanks for your suggestions. I found a family tree on Ancestry the other day 
with a few thousand names, but I have no way of knowing what is actually right 
or sourced, etc. Some of it sounds right. So, do I download (not sure how yet) 
everything into Legacy and then start trying to find sources? Since I don't do 
well with clutter in my life, I'm not sure how to pick my way through the 
stacks of names. But, I don't want to have to manually enter 5000 names either. 
And how do I fix something, like a relationship, or delete names that are 
completely wrong? And. Sorry, I am in a little bit of a panic. Deep breath. 
I know that I can benefit from someone else's research as a starting point for 
my own, so I don't want to reinvent the proverbial wheel. Would taking one name 
on the tree and finding sources that verify their relationship to me and then 
entering that name into my Legacy DB be too cumbersome? Or is there a better 
way?

Sherry





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Re: [LegacyUG] Handling Divorces in Charting


michael barberi wrote

Can anyone advise me how to solve the following problem. 

  Most people want to see the ancestors of both of their parents and 
their descendants, however I find no chart that will do this.  I like 
the hour-glass chart, but it only shows the ancestors of the selected 
person and his/her descendants (not the ancestors of his/her spouse).


Have you not looked at the Upward type of Ancestor chart in Legacy 
Charting?

--
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Re: [LegacyUG] Reinstalling Legacy 7.0

2009-09-17 Thread TomK

Diane,
I believe all you need to reinstall it is to know youf customer number from
when you purchased Legacy.  Either in the email when you purchased it, or
easiest way if Legacy is still working is to look at Help  General
Information tab.

Then download the current version from Legacy's website, and after
installing the free version, just enter the customer number, and you'll be
back at Deluxe level.   At lea

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Diane Szabo dianesz...@comcast.net wrote:

  *Hello Users,*
 **
 *I had major computer problems yesterday and evidently several Legacy
 files were deleted.  I am now being prompted to reinstall Legacy 7.0, but
 when I go to the Legacy site, it looks like I have to purchase this version
 again to download.  Or - is there a workaround on this?*
 **
 *Please advise, and thanks in advance.*
 *Diane*

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RE: [LegacyUG] Reinstalling Legacy 7.0

2009-09-17 Thread ronald ferguson


Not at all, Diane.

Download and install the Standard version from Legacy and then go to the Help 
drop-down and enter your Delux number. If you have lost this during your 
problems, email Legacy Sales and they will send it to you.



Ron Ferguson

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 To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Reinstalling Legacy 7.0
 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:28:40 -0700










 Hello Users,



 I had major computer problems yesterday and evidently several
 Legacy files were deleted. I am now being prompted to reinstall Legacy
 7.0, but when I go to the Legacy site, it looks like I have to purchase this
 version again to download. Or - is there a workaround on
 this?



 Please advise, and thanks in advance.

 Diane

  
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Re: [LegacyUG] Minor problem using Access to convert a source's format

2009-09-17 Thread Judy

OK, I am feeling way stupid. Still beginning the Legacy trip, tho I am
familiar with access.  How do you open an .fdb file in access

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Paula Ryburn
paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.netwrote:

 This is probably just for Richard Van Wasshnova.  I am following his
 instructions from June (only have hard copy of the email now).

 Here's what I did:
 Backed up my family file. ;)
 Picked one basic master source that had only one citation to one person as
 my trial run.
 Added a master source to go with the basic source using SW template.
 Tagged those two (and only those two).
 Closed Legacy.
 Opened Access... my .fdb file.
 In tblSR I sorted Z-A on SrcTag field to get my 2 to the top.
 On the basic source, changed TemplateID from 0 to 62 (to match the other
 one).
 On the basic source, changed UseStandard from 1 to 0 (don't use
 standard).
 Left Contents on basic one as is (empty).
 Closed Access.  Opened Legacy.
 The used-to-be-basic master source now shows in the list with a dot, as
 expected.
 I highlighted it and clicked on the Combine... button at the bottom.

 Here's the problem:
 The button did NOT change to Highlight Destination Source... as I was
 expecting.
 I tested it on another source, and it did change.
 I tried it on the new SW source (that I had just added) and it did NOT
 change.
 I tried it again on the used-to-be-basic one, just to be sure, and it did
 NOT change.

 Any thoughts?

  --Paula in Texas
 Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough
 Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd
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RE: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart

OP is short for Original Poster - the person who started the thread.


CE


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Of Paula Ryburn
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:11 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart

Who is OP?  Me?  Mine was the email at the bottom of this miles-long
thread I just snipped.
 --Paula in Texas
Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough
Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd
Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell
McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams 



- Original Message 
From: CE Wood wood...@msn.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:50:46 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart

This whole thread began because the OP wanted, as I do, a chart of the
DIRECT relationship between two persons, not a calculation of EVERY
relationship possible between them.  

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Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out

2009-09-17 Thread Kramer

How is this book different from the one that Legacy does?  I got the  
Legacy manual when I ordered 7.0.


On Sep 17, 2009, at 2:32 PM, Tim Rosenlof wrote:

Take a look at Mark Lang's book at the Legacy Store. I've not used  
it so I cannot give a review. I do know Mark has been a Legacy user  
for years.


http://www.legacyfamilytreestore.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=5

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Re: [LegacyUG] Geo Location Database - Updates

2009-09-17 Thread steven perkins

Brian:

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Brian Beddor bbed...@japsolson.com wrote:
 Hi Sherry,
 Thanks for explaining.

 I have a question on using the Geo Location feature.

S N I P P E D

 I also know that we should record place names as they were at that time.
 So, what should I be putting in the place location for the different
 times?

 And, if I'm entering the place for -- say 1700 would I put Nutfield, ,
 New Hampshire, England? And if I do, how do I get the Geo Location to
 work for that that place/time?

Not England, either New England, British North America or British
North America  There is also a New England, Australia, so just New
England can be ambiguous.  You could also use the Colony name,  an
example is New Haven Colony which merged with Connecticut in the 1660s
and became New Haven, New Haven Co., Connecticut Colony, British North
America.

Of course, I don't always do it that way,  but I think that would be
more historically correct. That does not work with the Geo Locator
database.

Regards,

Steven C. Perkins



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Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart

Access is notorious.  To quote from a programmer who was referring to Legacy
although not the issue at hand, I often have to migrate clients' stuff from
Access to something better because Access crashes when it reaches its
maximum file size, gets incredibly unpredictable when it gets close, and
slows to a crawl when it's about halfway there.

Alas.


CE

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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf
Of ronald ferguson
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:20 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart


As somebody else suggested - are you certain that you PC is big enough, ie.
enough memory, to handle your request? Have you tried increasing the virtual
memory - if your hard drive is big enough?

I still maintain that your setting of 50 is probably too low for all the
blood relationships to be calculated.


Ron Ferguson

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 From: wood...@msn.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart
 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:06:51 -0700

 I have no problem with Ancestry Colors. The 28th GGU is a direct 
 ancestor, as is his brother. Ancestry Colors are correct; Direct Line Bold
is color.

 It is the Calculator which shows one (full) brother as a GGF and the 
 other as a GGU. Because of generations marrying at different times, 
 intermarriages, multiple lines of ascent to the same person, one 
 brother is shown as a 28th GGF, but the other as a 28th GGU! 
 Accordingly, Relationship Calculator shows no direct connection 
 between me and the person it insists is my 28th GGU.

 That incorrectly called 28th GGU had a son, who is called, 
 incorrectly, the Husband of my 26th GGM rather than my 26th or 27th 
 GGF (He is both). As I said, Legacy has a problem with the math. In 
 this case, it cannot understand that a 29th GGF had one son who is a 
 28th GGF and also a son who is both a 26th and a 28th GGF. 
 Accordingly, all the children in his line are not calculating as being 
 my direct ancestors by Calculator. Ancestry Colors and Direct Line 
 Bold show them as direct ancestors, but those two functions do not deal
with the math.

 It seems impossible for Legacy to do this because the numbering 
 confuses the program.


 CE


 -Original Message-
 From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On 
 Behalf Of RICHARD SCHULTHIES
 Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:29 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart

 So you are saying that, when using the four colors for grandparents' 
 lines, ancestors of yours which are showing (apparently) different 
 colors than you expect, meaning they come through a different grandparent.
 Question 1. Is this person in both gp lines?
 Question 2. When running the program, how many different lines are 
 found between the 2 people.  Have you printed all of them ( for 
 purposes of analyzing where the divergences are?
 Since I don't use the four colors, I can't help with that, but since 
 each line is a direct line, everyone on that line should match until a 
 marriage to another color supersedes, using the internal rules.
 The 'increasing to 50' is actually a hard drive/ram problem. When I 
 was using my desktop using L5, using the tools, slowed to snail pace, 
 then I eventually 'pressed the button'. When I got my laptop, I found 
 it was faster, and took a much larger report to get to the same 
 problem. I bought a external hard drive 3 weeks ago, and haven't had 
 it 'crash'  yet. You may need more power. I did.
 Rich in LA CA



 - Original Message 
 From: CE Wood
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:07:07 AM
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart

 Because every time I have tried to increase from 50, Legacy, hours 
 later, returns the message that it cannot do it because it's too many 
 people (or numbers, or something).  I forget the actual wording, 
 because I am unwilling to tie up my computer for that long just to 
 have it return the message.  The default may be 999, but not for my 
 file.  Over many Legacy versions, the same problem has persisted.

 Only Relationship Calculator/Set Relationships that has this problem.
 Ancestry Colors quickly finds he is my ancestor, as does Direct Line 
 Bolding.

 Therefore, one would think that limiting the Blood Relationships to 1 
 would work.  It does not.  That is why I think it is a

Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out -- downloaded trees

2009-09-17 Thread Eliz Hanebury

Sherry, I won't put anything in to my tree I haven't hunted up myself
G then all my mistakes are mine.

I download a tree and give it a distinctive name and poke around and
follow the hint I have gotten, much safer that way.




Eliz





On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Ward Walker wnkwal...@rogers.com wrote:
 Sherry,

 As someone suggested earlier, import the downloaded GEDCOM into a temporary
 Legacy family file, not your main one. Then do as much cleanup and sanity
 checking as you can. Only when you find that you trust the data, merge it,
 or parts of it, into your file. Legacy has substantial tools to help resolve
 duplications during a merge, although not foolproof (e.g., if names are
 spelled differently).

 Any family trees that I have found at public web sites contain either clear
 mistakes or unwarranted assumptions. Some people seem to throw together
 databases from various sources and hope that these people are really
 connected. Assumptions can get propagated until they appear to be validated
 from multiple sources, when really they are not. Sometimes you see birth
 dates that are clearly impossible. Of course if you can contact the person
 who uploaded the tree and get to know how they acquired the data, you are
 much further ahead.

 Aside from whether the individuals really belong in your tree, you can clean
 up more mundane things like standardizing locations and dates before the
 merge.

 For sources, you can automatically add a source during the merge that
 indicates that the individuals came from the online database. If you verify
 some data using other sources, you can add those source citations before or
 after the merge.

 The good news is that may have found a large extended family that is valid!
 Good luck.

  Ward

 - Original Message - From: daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out


 Tom,

 Thanks for your suggestions. I found a family tree on Ancestry the other day
 with a few thousand names, but I have no way of knowing what is actually
 right or sourced, etc. Some of it sounds right. So, do I download (not sure
 how yet) everything into Legacy and then start trying to find sources? Since
 I don't do well with clutter in my life, I'm not sure how to pick my way
 through the stacks of names. But, I don't want to have to manually enter
 5000 names either. And how do I fix something, like a relationship, or
 delete names that are completely wrong? And. Sorry, I am in a little bit
 of a panic. Deep breath. I know that I can benefit from someone else's
 research as a starting point for my own, so I don't want to reinvent the
 proverbial wheel. Would taking one name on the tree and finding sources that
 verify their relationship to me and then entering that name into my Legacy
 DB be too cumbersome? Or is there a better way?

 Sherry

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Re: [LegacyUG] Reinstalling Legacy 7.0

In the past, similar stuff has happened. Download the whole program, (as a 
Standard).
 If you wrote or kept the long password to change to Deluxe, it will work. If 
not, call customer support (or e-mail) and they will resend your code number.
Rich in LA CA





From: Diane Szabo dianesz...@comcast.net
To: Legacy legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:28:40 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Reinstalling Legacy 7.0


Hello Users,
 
I had major computer problems yesterday and evidently several Legacy files were 
deleted.  I am now being prompted to reinstall Legacy 7.0, but when I go to the 
Legacy site, it looks like I have to purchase this version again to download.  
Or - is there a workaround on this?
 
Please advise, and thanks in advance.
Diane
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Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information

2009-09-17 Thread Janis L Gilmore

Good genealogical narrative can never be generated by your software. It
requires writing and thinking and correlating.

A database is for keeping track of  well, data. g A narrative is
something that you craft.

Janis Walker Gilmore


On 9/16/09 12:01 PM, Cathy-0 chorn0...@optimum.net wrote:

 When using any computer software, you need to ask yourself as to what is the
 end result that you wish to see?  Once you know what that is you can then
 enter your data to achieve that.
 
 My end result is usually the Descendant Book or Modified Register Report.
 Since this is easy to read, my data entries in the Notes field are written as
 sentences.  So, when entering census info, I start by using the basic census
 template.  Then use the following entries:
 
 Event:  Census
 
 Description:  1850 Federal
 
 Date:  29 Aug 1950
 
 Place:  Mentz, Cayuga County, New York
 
 Notes:  Nathan Holmes was shown as being 41 years old and born in New York
 state. He was a farmer.  He lived on Oxford Lane and owned his own home and
 farm.
 
 By placing the year in the Description field, it also shows up in the
 Individual view easily so that I can easily see if I listed a census out of
 chronological order.
 
 In the Notes section, I place everything that appears in the census for the
 individual and write it in sentences because my end result is usually the
 Descendant Book.  The reason that I place everything from a census in the
 notes for each specific individual is that when reading the Descendant Books,
 the reader is going to read one person at a time.  If information relating to
 a person is not found under his own entry, the reader can overlook that data
 or information entirely.
 
 My source for a census event is taken directly from the page at Ancestry.com.
 The main source remains the same for everyone with the same census year and
 only the Details contains any variable information.
 
 Main Source:  United States of America, Bureau of the Census, 1850 United
 States Federal  Census [database on-line]. (Seventh Census of the United
 States, 1850. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records
 Administration, 1850. M432, 1,009 rolls.),
 
   
 
 Details:  Year: 1850; Census Place: Mentz, Cayuga, New York; NARA Series
 M432, Roll: 481; Page: 90; Image: 181.  Repository:Ancestry.com, Provo,
 Utah, http://www.ancestry.com/.
 
 In this way, whenever I printed a Descendant Book it is easy to read and the
 footnotes contain only footnote information and not details about a person's
 life.  I've looked at reports where personal data was placed into the
 footnotes and I have found it to be difficult to read such reports.
 
 But whatever you do, be consistent in your input and look at your end results
 to see if you like them.  And as long as someone else can read your reports
 and use your sources to locate the original documentation, you know that you
 have succeeded.
 
 Happy Hunting!
 
 Cathy-0
 
 -Original Message-
 From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf 
 Of
 Alan Jones
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:35 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information
 
 I have seen many post about how to document/source Census information
 
 and the different styles and to be honest I have not made up my mind and
 
 won't till I have really done enough to decide.  What I have seen less
 
 discussion of and really wanted to know more of is how to others
 
 document the lines/columns in a Census or do you even bother?
 
 1. In Legacy you have an event called Census.  What others enter do and
 
 find works best and why for the related event fields?
 
   -Description:
 
   -Date:
 
   -Place:
 
   -Notes:
 
 2. How do you enter specific fields such as in the 1900 US Census like:
 
Relation, Color or Race, Attended School, Can Read, Can Write, Can
 
 speak English, Owner or rented home, Farm or House .. or even my
 
 favorite in the 1870 Census is Whether deaf and dumb, blind, insane, or
 
 idiotic.
 
 Do you actually type Can Read: then Yes or No etc.? For each field?
 
 Where do you put that info so it looks right and shows up.
 
 3. Do you do anything different if they are Head of House Hold vs not?
 
 4. If you find an occupation field do then also enter that information
 
 into a new occupation event?  Same thing
 
 This information sorta seems like source text, but that did not seem
 
 like the best place to put it so it would show up right in most reports.
 
 I could see how some would even put it in two places event and source
 
 text and I don't mind doing that if that were the best thing
 
 How do others handle all the fields and fun details so it shows right in
 
 reports or do you just say they were listed in the Census and provide no
 
 detailed information?
 
 More details the better.
 
 thanks for any all suggestions
 
 
 Alan
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart

Access is notorious.  To quote from a programmer who was referring to Legacy
although not the issue at hand, I often have to migrate clients' stuff from
Access to something better because Access crashes when it reaches its
maximum file size, gets incredibly unpredictable when it gets close, and
slows to a crawl when it's about halfway there.

Alas.


CE

-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf
Of ronald ferguson
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:20 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart


As somebody else suggested - are you certain that you PC is big enough, ie.
enough memory, to handle your request? Have you tried increasing the virtual
memory - if your hard drive is big enough?

I still maintain that your setting of 50 is probably too low for all the
blood relationships to be calculated.


Ron Ferguson

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 From: wood...@msn.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart
 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:06:51 -0700

 I have no problem with Ancestry Colors. The 28th GGU is a direct 
 ancestor, as is his brother. Ancestry Colors are correct; Direct Line Bold
is color.

 It is the Calculator which shows one (full) brother as a GGF and the 
 other as a GGU. Because of generations marrying at different times, 
 intermarriages, multiple lines of ascent to the same person, one 
 brother is shown as a 28th GGF, but the other as a 28th GGU! 
 Accordingly, Relationship Calculator shows no direct connection 
 between me and the person it insists is my 28th GGU.

 That incorrectly called 28th GGU had a son, who is called, 
 incorrectly, the Husband of my 26th GGM rather than my 26th or 27th 
 GGF (He is both). As I said, Legacy has a problem with the math. In 
 this case, it cannot understand that a 29th GGF had one son who is a 
 28th GGF and also a son who is both a 26th and a 28th GGF. 
 Accordingly, all the children in his line are not calculating as being 
 my direct ancestors by Calculator. Ancestry Colors and Direct Line 
 Bold show them as direct ancestors, but those two functions do not deal
with the math.

 It seems impossible for Legacy to do this because the numbering 
 confuses the program.


 CE


 -Original Message-
 From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On 
 Behalf Of RICHARD SCHULTHIES
 Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:29 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart

 So you are saying that, when using the four colors for grandparents' 
 lines, ancestors of yours which are showing (apparently) different 
 colors than you expect, meaning they come through a different grandparent.
 Question 1. Is this person in both gp lines?
 Question 2. When running the program, how many different lines are 
 found between the 2 people.  Have you printed all of them ( for 
 purposes of analyzing where the divergences are?
 Since I don't use the four colors, I can't help with that, but since 
 each line is a direct line, everyone on that line should match until a 
 marriage to another color supersedes, using the internal rules.
 The 'increasing to 50' is actually a hard drive/ram problem. When I 
 was using my desktop using L5, using the tools, slowed to snail pace, 
 then I eventually 'pressed the button'. When I got my laptop, I found 
 it was faster, and took a much larger report to get to the same 
 problem. I bought a external hard drive 3 weeks ago, and haven't had 
 it 'crash'  yet. You may need more power. I did.
 Rich in LA CA



 - Original Message 
 From: CE Wood
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:07:07 AM
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Creating Books--direct descendent chart

 Because every time I have tried to increase from 50, Legacy, hours 
 later, returns the message that it cannot do it because it's too many 
 people (or numbers, or something).  I forget the actual wording, 
 because I am unwilling to tie up my computer for that long just to 
 have it return the message.  The default may be 999, but not for my 
 file.  Over many Legacy versions, the same problem has persisted.

 Only Relationship Calculator/Set Relationships that has this problem.
 Ancestry Colors quickly finds he is my ancestor, as does Direct Line 
 Bolding.

 Therefore, one would think that limiting the Blood Relationships to 1 
 would work.  It does not.  That is why I think it is a

Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out

2009-09-17 Thread Mary Moyer

And if the sources listed are GEDCOM from so-and-so, their information
probably isn't very accurate. A GEDCOM isn't a true source. Your sources should
be things such as census records, church records, marriage, death, land, etc.
And remember that almost any source can have errors. Even if the sources look
complete, they might be fraudulent because the person wanted to be a Mayflower
descendant or whatever.

Don't add GEDCOMs to your database just because it has someone with the same
name as your ancestor - you'll be surprised at just how many men had the same
names, and sometimes even lived in the same area. I researched one county that
had 14 men with the same name, and although some were related, they weren't all
related to each other.

Take all the information you find with a grain of salt and then verify and
analyze. Look at it carefully to see if it makes sense - are the kids listed as
being born too far apart, too close together, too late in the marriage, before
the mother was of age to have children, etc. Was the family listed as being in
the US before there were even settlers or in a state before it was settled
(i.e., born in Illinois in 1630)? Don't laugh - I've seen all of the above. On
one database, my mother is married to her step-father and another I've seen,
one child is also his own grandfather, born before his parents were born.

Some other ideas - take some classes in genealogy research, read some basic
genealogy books on how to find information, visit your local Family History
Center and your library, visit a larger genealogy library. There are also some
good basic online lessons at Rootsweb, Ancestry and FamilySearch.

Mary

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Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out -- downloaded trees



Ken, 



I appreciate the step-by-step ideas about how to go about cleaning up the 
temporary database. It sure helps me to get off to a good start. And, you are 
right, maybe, just maybe, I've found a whole wagon load of family! 



Sherry 


- Original Message - 
From: Ward Walker wnkwal...@rogers.com 
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:35:53 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out -- downloaded trees 

Sherry, 

As someone suggested earlier, import the downloaded GEDCOM into a temporary 
Legacy family file, not your main one. Then do as much cleanup and sanity 
checking as you can. Only when you find that you trust the data, merge it, 
or parts of it, into your file. Legacy has substantial tools to help resolve 
duplications during a merge, although not foolproof (e.g., if names are 
spelled differently). 

Any family trees that I have found at public web sites contain either clear 
mistakes or unwarranted assumptions. Some people seem to throw together 
databases from various sources and hope that these people are really 
connected. Assumptions can get propagated until they appear to be validated 
from multiple sources, when really they are not. Sometimes you see birth 
dates that are clearly impossible. Of course if you can contact the person 
who uploaded the tree and get to know how they acquired the data, you are 
much further ahead. 

Aside from whether the individuals really belong in your tree, you can clean 
up more mundane things like standardizing locations and dates before the 
merge. 

For sources, you can automatically add a source during the merge that 
indicates that the individuals came from the online database. If you verify 
some data using other sources, you can add those source citations before or 
after the merge. 

The good news is that may have found a large extended family that is valid! 
Good luck. 

   Ward 

- Original Message - 
From: daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net 
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:22 PM 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out 


Tom, 

Thanks for your suggestions. I found a family tree on Ancestry the other day 
with a few thousand names, but I have no way of knowing what is actually 
right or sourced, etc. Some of it sounds right. So, do I download (not sure 
how yet) everything into Legacy and then start trying to find sources? Since 
I don't do well with clutter in my life, I'm not sure how to pick my way 
through the stacks of names. But, I don't want to have to manually enter 
5000 names either. And how do I fix something, like a relationship, or 
delete names that are completely wrong? And. Sorry, I am in a little bit 
of a panic. Deep breath. I know that I can benefit from someone else's 
research as a starting point for my own, so I don't want to reinvent the 
proverbial wheel. Would taking one name on the tree and finding sources that 
verify their relationship to me and then entering that name into my Legacy 
DB be too cumbersome? Or is there a better way? 

Sherry 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out



Heather, 



What a wonderful idea. That is something that makes sense to me and doesn't 
clutter my family database. Thank you so much. 



Sherry 


- Original Message - 
From: Heather Stovold hstov...@gmail.com 
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:49:17 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out 

What I do, is I download the information into a DIFFERENT Legacy database  
I include something like Research, or something like that in the name.  So 
probably something like  Research Smith FS  (a Research database on the Smith 
line that I got off of Family Search.  I can put more information on where I 
got it in something like the Research Notes. 


I use my research databases as CLUES as to what might be the information.  When 
I have verified the information for a person or family from sources, I usually 
use Spit-Screen to drag the person into my main database (after making sure I 
have Cleaned the person places, etc to fit the standards I use to input 
information.)   Again - I'm only moving a person or maybe a family. 


Therefore, I don't have garbage cluttering my database, yet I have the 
information readily available.  And I don't have to type in everything either. 


On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:22 PM,  daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net  wrote: 






Tom, 



Thanks for your suggestions. I found a family tree on Ancestry the other day 
with a few thousand names, but I have no way of knowing what is actually right 
or sourced, etc. Some of it sounds right. So, do I download (not sure how yet) 
everything into Legacy and then start trying to find sources? Since I don't do 
well with clutter in my life, I'm not sure how to pick my way through the 
stacks of names. But, I don't want to have to manually enter 5000 names either. 
And how do I fix something, like a relationship, or delete names that are 
completely wrong? And. Sorry, I am in a little bit of a panic. Deep breath. 
I know that I can benefit from someone else's research as a starting point for 
my own, so I don't want to reinvent the proverbial wheel. Would taking one name 
on the tree and finding sources that verify their relationship to me and then 
entering that name into my Legacy DB be too cumbersome? Or is there a better 
way? 



Sherry 








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Re: [LegacyUG] Sherry from WA



Hi Sherry, 



I'm in Vancouver. Been here for about 9 years and just love it. This group is 
so helpful and willing to give me guidance and ideas. Thanks so much. 



Sherry in Vancouver WA 


- Original Message - 
From: Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com 
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:43:50 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sherry from WA 

Oh brother, this *is* going to get confusing!  I'm in Washington state also 
rbg 

However, I *do* have a rather lengthy tag-line 

Sherry, where are you located in Washington state? We have a Legacy User Group 
which meets in Bellevue on the first Wednesday of the month.  If you're in the 
area, we'd love to have you join us!  There are also groups in Vancouver, 
Kitsap, and Kent - you can get more info on our website - click on Help Center 
 User Groups. 

BTW, there's a lot of info under the Help Center menu on the website - take a 
look - and in the Help file in Legacy. 

Thanks for using Legacy. 

Sherry 
Customer Support 
Millennia Corporation 
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We are changing the world of genealogy! 

When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence.  
Thanks. 


-Original Message- 
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of 
Kirsten Bowman 
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:17 PM 
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Sherry from WA 

Sherry: 

The trouble is that what's perfect today may not be perfect next year.  Who was 
attaching digital images to files a few years ago, or creating web pages, or 
obsessing over the formatting of sources--or, for that matter, even recording 
sources?  There's no way to predict where the current will carry us, so you can 
only do the best you can with what you have today. 

And just a friendly reminder, you might want to get in the habit of posting to 
the list in plain text and trimming the posts before someone complains (and 
they will). 

Good luck with your project. 

Kirsten 
     
-Original Message- 
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of 
daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net 
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:10 AM 
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out 


Hi Kirsten, 

Your thoughts reminded me that I can sometimes (most times) want to do 
something perfectly. I can do my homework and later if I need a redo, that's 
ok. And, most importantly, I am going to have fun. Thanks. 

Sherry from Washington (thanks for the suggestion, Rich) 




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Re: [LegacyUG] Sherry from WA



Kirsten, 



Sorry about plain text and trimming posts, but I don't even know what that 
means. This is the first time I've ever been part of a user group. Can you help 
me to learn how to do this? I've been using my reply icon at the top of the 
message, typing my stuff, and sending it. 



Sherry 


- Original Message - 
From: Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net 
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:17:19 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Sherry from WA 

Sherry: 

The trouble is that what's perfect today may not be perfect next year.  Who was 
attaching digital images to files a few years ago, or creating web pages, or 
obsessing over the formatting of sources--or, for that matter, even recording 
sources?  There's no way to predict where the current will carry us, so you can 
only do the best you can with what you have today. 

And just a friendly reminder, you might want to get in the habit of posting to 
the list in plain text and trimming the posts before someone complains (and 
they will). 

Good luck with your project. 

Kirsten 
     
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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of 
daughterofmyfat...@comcast.net 
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:10 AM 
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Just Starting Out 


Hi Kirsten, 

Your thoughts reminded me that I can sometimes (most times) want to do 
something perfectly. I can do my homework and later if I need a redo, that's 
ok. And, most importantly, I am going to have fun. Thanks. 

Sherry from Washington (thanks for the suggestion, Rich) 






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