Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information
Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census InformationAh so true! It isn't all about facts and figures. I write extensive under the General tab (stories, interesting info etc) and the Research tab (all my efforts to find certain bits of information, negative searches etc). michele - Original Message - From: Janis L Gilmore To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information Good genealogical narrative can never be generated by your software. It requires writing and thinking and correlating. A database is for keeping track of - well, data. g A narrative is something that you craft. Janis Walker Gilmore Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information
I agree! But I have just recently switched from the General tab to a general Notes Event, so I can source each story individually, as well as have the stories interspersed with other events chronologically. (I'm also going to learn how to use the to-do list, because that's a lot of what I enter in the Research tab.) --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams From: Michele Lewis cranberryf...@charter.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 5:25:39 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information Ah so true! It isn't all about facts and figures. I write extensive under the General tab (stories, interesting info etc) and the Research tab (all my efforts to find certain bits of information, negative searches etc). michele - Original Message - From: Janis L Gilmore To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information Good genealogical narrative can never be generated by your software. It requires writing and thinking and correlating. A database is for keeping track of – well, data. g A narrative is something that you craft. Janis Walker Gilmore Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information
Good genealogical narrative can never be generated by your software. It requires writing and thinking and correlating. A database is for keeping track of well, data. g A narrative is something that you craft. Janis Walker Gilmore On 9/16/09 12:01 PM, Cathy-0 chorn0...@optimum.net wrote: When using any computer software, you need to ask yourself as to what is the end result that you wish to see? Once you know what that is you can then enter your data to achieve that. My end result is usually the Descendant Book or Modified Register Report. Since this is easy to read, my data entries in the Notes field are written as sentences. So, when entering census info, I start by using the basic census template. Then use the following entries: Event: Census Description: 1850 Federal Date: 29 Aug 1950 Place: Mentz, Cayuga County, New York Notes: Nathan Holmes was shown as being 41 years old and born in New York state. He was a farmer. He lived on Oxford Lane and owned his own home and farm. By placing the year in the Description field, it also shows up in the Individual view easily so that I can easily see if I listed a census out of chronological order. In the Notes section, I place everything that appears in the census for the individual and write it in sentences because my end result is usually the Descendant Book. The reason that I place everything from a census in the notes for each specific individual is that when reading the Descendant Books, the reader is going to read one person at a time. If information relating to a person is not found under his own entry, the reader can overlook that data or information entirely. My source for a census event is taken directly from the page at Ancestry.com. The main source remains the same for everyone with the same census year and only the Details contains any variable information. Main Source: United States of America, Bureau of the Census, 1850 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. (Seventh Census of the United States, 1850. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1850. M432, 1,009 rolls.), Details: Year: 1850; Census Place: Mentz, Cayuga, New York; NARA Series M432, Roll: 481; Page: 90; Image: 181. Repository:Ancestry.com, Provo, Utah, http://www.ancestry.com/. In this way, whenever I printed a Descendant Book it is easy to read and the footnotes contain only footnote information and not details about a person's life. I've looked at reports where personal data was placed into the footnotes and I have found it to be difficult to read such reports. But whatever you do, be consistent in your input and look at your end results to see if you like them. And as long as someone else can read your reports and use your sources to locate the original documentation, you know that you have succeeded. Happy Hunting! Cathy-0 -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Alan Jones Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:35 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information I have seen many post about how to document/source Census information and the different styles and to be honest I have not made up my mind and won't till I have really done enough to decide. What I have seen less discussion of and really wanted to know more of is how to others document the lines/columns in a Census or do you even bother? 1. In Legacy you have an event called Census. What others enter do and find works best and why for the related event fields? -Description: -Date: -Place: -Notes: 2. How do you enter specific fields such as in the 1900 US Census like: Relation, Color or Race, Attended School, Can Read, Can Write, Can speak English, Owner or rented home, Farm or House .. or even my favorite in the 1870 Census is Whether deaf and dumb, blind, insane, or idiotic. Do you actually type Can Read: then Yes or No etc.? For each field? Where do you put that info so it looks right and shows up. 3. Do you do anything different if they are Head of House Hold vs not? 4. If you find an occupation field do then also enter that information into a new occupation event? Same thing This information sorta seems like source text, but that did not seem like the best place to put it so it would show up right in most reports. I could see how some would even put it in two places event and source text and I don't mind doing that if that were the best thing How do others handle all the fields and fun details so it shows right in reports or do you just say they were listed in the Census and provide no detailed information? More details the better. thanks for any all suggestions Alan Legacy User Group guidelines:
Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information
Paula, I primarily use the Family Group Report. I've found that this helps me to see how my Events and Sources will appear in other reports. The other reports I use the most are the Ancestor Report and the Descendant Report, depending on who's asking for information. I'm still in Search and Source mode for most of my lines, so I haven't tackled the bigger Book Reports yet. I use the Pedigree Report for my files, just to keep a handle on who fits where in the tree, since I'm working on my family as well as my husband's. I've certainly learned that I tend to make things more complex than they need to be and I'm trying to work on that. That's why I'm willing to learn from the long-time pros in the LUG! Dede P.S. My 24 year old son's favorite is the Ancestor Fan Chart, from Legacy Charting. He didn't really care about genealogy until I printed his for the first time. It was an AHA moment for him! On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Dede, Which reports do you use the most? Thanks, --Paula in Texas - Original Message From: Dede Holden deanbuc...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:56:15 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information Alan, I'm not quite sure what you meant by you don't use the default Census event but instead use an event for each Census? I use the default Census event, but the description, date, and place tailor it to each particular census. I started out putting the census details in the Source Detail Text field. Then I realized every time I cited the census, and printed the details, the reports became very cumbersome. So now I handle the census like Michele does. Event = Census Description = US Federal Date = 1930 (I am not as detailed here as Michele is) Location = Vicksburg, Warren, Mississippi, USA The Notes look like this: living at 735 Thomas St. Harry Thompson, head, owns home, value $4800, no radio, age 48, married at age 32, born in Miss., father born in Miss., mother born in Texas, conductor for steam railroad Ione Thompson, wife, age 40, married at at 24, born in Miss., parents born in Miss. Ethel E. Whitehead, sister-in-law, female, age 37, widowed, born in Miss., parents born in Miss., employed as saleslady at 5 and 10 store. Nora L. Whitehead, niece, age 17, single, born in Miss., parents born in Miss. In the reports it reads, He appeared on the US Federal census in 1930 living at 735 Thomas St As far as the Source citation goes, I have used the Sourcewriter template and I have a census source for each year, state, and county. I name them like this: Census: 1930 US Mississippi Warren It helps me to find them more quickly when I am citing the Master Source. I also use the Census event for every person listed in the household. It is very easy to copy the event to the clipboard on the Event screen, and then paste to the others. It even pastes the Source, so you enter the info once and then with just a few clicks the event is added to everyone involved. As far as the details go, if it is out of the ordinary, such as an adult who can't read or write, I will note that, but otherwise I assume they can read and write. I also attach a PDF of the census image as a multimedia file to the source detail, but I do not add any detail text or comments. I'm interested in this thread, because if anyone has a better way that produces the kind of reports I want, I'm always willing to learn. Dede Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information
Thank you for your answers and some background. When I picture the way some of you describe how you enter census events/data, I just see the same data lists printed over over again in an Ancestor or Descendent BOOK report, which is what I mainly use. I think my goal is to have something the lay person (read, non-genealogist) can read and enjoy. Full sentences, not data lists. Of course, who knows when I will reach that goal? A genealogist's job is never finished! ;) I, too, love the fan chart... probably have too much fun playing with colors, etc. ;) --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: Dede Holden deanbuc...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:55:00 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information Paula, I primarily use the Family Group Report. I've found that this helps me to see how my Events and Sources will appear in other reports. The other reports I use the most are the Ancestor Report and the Descendant Report, depending on who's asking for information. I'm still in Search and Source mode for most of my lines, so I haven't tackled the bigger Book Reports yet. I use the Pedigree Report for my files, just to keep a handle on who fits where in the tree, since I'm working on my family as well as my husband's. I've certainly learned that I tend to make things more complex than they need to be and I'm trying to work on that. That's why I'm willing to learn from the long-time pros in the LUG! Dede P.S. My 24 year old son's favorite is the Ancestor Fan Chart, from Legacy Charting. He didn't really care about genealogy until I printed his for the first time. It was an AHA moment for him! On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Dede, Which reports do you use the most? Thanks, --Paula in Texas - Original Message From: Dede Holden deanbuc...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:56:15 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information Alan, I'm not quite sure what you meant by you don't use the default Census event but instead use an event for each Census? I use the default Census event, but the description, date, and place tailor it to each particular census. I started out putting the census details in the Source Detail Text field. Then I realized every time I cited the census, and printed the details, the reports became very cumbersome. So now I handle the census like Michele does. Event = Census Description = US Federal Date = 1930 (I am not as detailed here as Michele is) Location = Vicksburg, Warren, Mississippi, USA The Notes look like this: living at 735 Thomas St. Harry Thompson, head, owns home, value $4800, no radio, age 48, married at age 32, born in Miss., father born in Miss., mother born in Texas, conductor for steam railroad Ione Thompson, wife, age 40, married at at 24, born in Miss., parents born in Miss. Ethel E. Whitehead, sister-in-law, female, age 37, widowed, born in Miss., parents born in Miss., employed as saleslady at 5 and 10 store. Nora L. Whitehead, niece, age 17, single, born in Miss., parents born in Miss. In the reports it reads, He appeared on the US Federal census in 1930 living at 735 Thomas St As far as the Source citation goes, I have used the Sourcewriter template and I have a census source for each year, state, and county. I name them like this: Census: 1930 US Mississippi Warren It helps me to find them more quickly when I am citing the Master Source. I also use the Census event for every person listed in the household. It is very easy to copy the event to the clipboard on the Event screen, and then paste to the others. It even pastes the Source, so you enter the info once and then with just a few clicks the event is added to everyone involved. As far as the details go, if it is out of the ordinary, such as an adult who can't read or write, I will note that, but otherwise I assume they can read and write. I also attach a PDF of the census image as a multimedia file to the source detail, but I do not add any detail text or comments. I'm interested in this thread, because if anyone has a better way that produces the kind of reports I want, I'm always willing to learn. Dede Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group
RE: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information
Paula, You have nicely identified a basic question which arises when attempting to create a one size fits all database. As is quite well known, my main output is for Pedigree Webpages in which each individual has their own page. I want, therefore, for, say, all the residences in which the individual lived, to appear on the page for each individual. It is also my choice not to want this hidden away in a source nor to have Census Events. It follows that I need Residence Events for each place and individual. This Residence Event is then sourced to, perhaps, a census. But, as I don't want repetition I do not include the address and other members of the household in the Source. Now, if I also had a significant interest in producing a book then my way of working would not, in my view, be appropriate because, like you say, it would involve much repetition. My eventual choice would depend on which aspects of the lives of my ancestors I wished to concentrate. The Events, their construction and sourcing would depend on that choice. Herein lies a problem which all of us have probably faced when first starting out on our ancestral trail - we do not know where we are going! The earlier this decision is taken then the earlier the format of the database can be set. It also follows that one may need more than one database, if there are to be multiple output formats. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed a Blogger RSS feed on your webpage http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 07:07:06 -0700 From: paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Thank you for your answers and some background. When I picture the way some of you describe how you enter census events/data, I just see the same data lists printed over over again in an Ancestor or Descendent BOOK report, which is what I mainly use. I think my goal is to have something the lay person (read, non-genealogist) can read and enjoy. Full sentences, not data lists. Of course, who knows when I will reach that goal? A genealogist's job is never finished! ;) I, too, love the fan chart... probably have too much fun playing with colors, etc. ;) --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: Dede Holden To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:55:00 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information Paula, I primarily use the Family Group Report. I've found that this helps me to see how my Events and Sources will appear in other reports. The other reports I use the most are the Ancestor Report and the Descendant Report, depending on who's asking for information. I'm still in Search and Source mode for most of my lines, so I haven't tackled the bigger Book Reports yet. I use the Pedigree Report for my files, just to keep a handle on who fits where in the tree, since I'm working on my family as well as my husband's. I've certainly learned that I tend to make things more complex than they need to be and I'm trying to work on that. That's why I'm willing to learn from the long-time pros in the LUG! Dede P.S. My 24 year old son's favorite is the Ancestor Fan Chart, from Legacy Charting. He didn't really care about genealogy until I printed his for the first time. It was an AHA moment for him! On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Paula Ryburn wrote: Dede, Which reports do you use the most? Thanks, --Paula in Texas - Original Message From: Dede Holden To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:56:15 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information Alan, I'm not quite sure what you meant by you don't use the default Census event but instead use an event for each Census? I use the default Census event, but the description, date, and place tailor it to each particular census. I started out putting the census details in the Source Detail Text field. Then I realized every time I cited the census, and printed the details, the reports became very cumbersome. So now I handle the census like Michele does. Event = Census Description = US Federal Date = 1930 (I am not as detailed here as Michele is) Location = Vicksburg, Warren, Mississippi, USA The Notes look like
Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information
I've struggled to find a balance between dry facts and bringing the information to life and have come up with this labor intensive compromise. I enter all census data under one event; census. The description is the years I have for the individual. I add a copy to the picture gallery of the census. I lump source everything by census year and put all information for an individual on the detail text screen. I also add a picture here. I do it this way so that whatever screen I'm on, I can see the image and I don't have to close sources to see the information about the individual. I spend a lot of time on the sources screen and it helps to compare source information too. Finally, as I find facts, I add to a short biography to notes. It's more interesting to read that a family moved from one state to another because the wife was hopelessly homesick, than to read the family lived in Minnesota, moved to Illinois and then back to Minnesota. I can choose to print either notes or events or both on a report depending on the recipient. Like I said labor intensive, but it appeals to my compulsive nature. I'm sure there are flaws to this system, but I print few reports and so far it works for me. Mary Paula Ryburn wrote: Thank you for your answers and some background. When I picture the way some of you describe how you enter census events/data, I just see the same data lists printed over over again in an Ancestor or Descendent BOOK report, which is what I mainly use. I think my goal is to have something the lay person (read, non-genealogist) can read and enjoy. Full sentences, not data lists. Of course, who knows when I will reach that goal? A genealogist's job is never finished! ;) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information
When using any computer software, you need to ask yourself as to what is the end result that you wish to see? Once you know what that is you can then enter your data to achieve that. My end result is usually the Descendant Book or Modified Register Report. Since this is easy to read, my data entries in the Notes field are written as sentences. So, when entering census info, I start by using the basic census template. Then use the following entries: Event: Census Description: 1850 Federal Date: 29 Aug 1950 Place: Mentz, Cayuga County, New York Notes: Nathan Holmes was shown as being 41 years old and born in New York state. He was a farmer. He lived on Oxford Lane and owned his own home and farm. By placing the year in the Description field, it also shows up in the Individual view easily so that I can easily see if I listed a census out of chronological order. In the Notes section, I place everything that appears in the census for the individual and write it in sentences because my end result is usually the Descendant Book. The reason that I place everything from a census in the notes for each specific individual is that when reading the Descendant Books, the reader is going to read one person at a time. If information relating to a person is not found under his own entry, the reader can overlook that data or information entirely. My source for a census event is taken directly from the page at Ancestry.com. The main source remains the same for everyone with the same census year and only the Details contains any variable information. Main Source: United States of America, Bureau of the Census, 1850 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. (Seventh Census of the United States, 1850. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1850. M432, 1,009 rolls.), Details: Year: 1850; Census Place: Mentz, Cayuga, New York; NARA Series M432, Roll: 481; Page: 90; Image: 181. Repository: Ancestry.com, Provo, Utah, http://www.ancestry.com/. In this way, whenever I printed a Descendant Book it is easy to read and the footnotes contain only footnote information and not details about a person's life. I've looked at reports where personal data was placed into the footnotes and I have found it to be difficult to read such reports. But whatever you do, be consistent in your input and look at your end results to see if you like them. And as long as someone else can read your reports and use your sources to locate the original documentation, you know that you have succeeded. Happy Hunting! Cathy-0 -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Alan Jones Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:35 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information I have seen many post about how to document/source Census information and the different styles and to be honest I have not made up my mind and won't till I have really done enough to decide. What I have seen less discussion of and really wanted to know more of is how to others document the lines/columns in a Census or do you even bother? 1. In Legacy you have an event called Census. What others enter do and find works best and why for the related event fields? -Description: -Date: -Place: -Notes: 2. How do you enter specific fields such as in the 1900 US Census like: Relation, Color or Race, Attended School, Can Read, Can Write, Can speak English, Owner or rented home, Farm or House .. or even my favorite in the 1870 Census is Whether deaf and dumb, blind, insane, or idiotic. Do you actually type Can Read: then Yes or No etc.? For each field? Where do you put that info so it looks right and shows up. 3. Do you do anything different if they are Head of House Hold vs not? 4. If you find an occupation field do then also enter that information into a new occupation event? Same thing This information sorta seems like source text, but that did not seem like the best place to put it so it would show up right in most reports. I could see how some would even put it in two places event and source text and I don't mind doing that if that were the best thing How do others handle all the fields and fun details so it shows right in reports or do you just say they were listed in the Census and provide no detailed information? More details the better. thanks for any all suggestions Alan Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines:
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Ron, You are so right! And it does make me feel better to know we don't really know where we're going when we start, so it's okay to now be changing direction! haha --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: ronald ferguson ronfe...@msn.com To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:15:16 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information Paula, You have nicely identified a basic question which arises when attempting to create a one size fits all database. As is quite well known, my main output is for Pedigree Webpages in which each individual has their own page. I want, therefore, for, say, all the residences in which the individual lived, to appear on the page for each individual. It is also my choice not to want this hidden away in a source nor to have Census Events. It follows that I need Residence Events for each place and individual. This Residence Event is then sourced to, perhaps, a census. But, as I don't want repetition I do not include the address and other members of the household in the Source. Now, if I also had a significant interest in producing a book then my way of working would not, in my view, be appropriate because, like you say, it would involve much repetition. My eventual choice would depend on which aspects of the lives of my ancestors I wished to concentrate. The Events, their construction and sourcing would depend on that choice. Herein lies a problem which all of us have probably faced when first starting out on our ancestral trail - we do not know where we are going! The earlier this decision is taken then the earlier the format of the database can be set. It also follows that one may need more than one database, if there are to be multiple output formats. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed a Blogger RSS feed on your webpage http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 07:07:06 -0700 From: paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Thank you for your answers and some background. When I picture the way some of you describe how you enter census events/data, I just see the same data lists printed over over again in an Ancestor or Descendent BOOK report, which is what I mainly use. I think my goal is to have something the lay person (read, non-genealogist) can read and enjoy. Full sentences, not data lists. Of course, who knows when I will reach that goal? A genealogist's job is never finished! ;) I, too, love the fan chart... probably have too much fun playing with colors, etc. ;) --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: Dede Holden To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:55:00 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information Paula, I primarily use the Family Group Report. I've found that this helps me to see how my Events and Sources will appear in other reports. The other reports I use the most are the Ancestor Report and the Descendant Report, depending on who's asking for information. I'm still in Search and Source mode for most of my lines, so I haven't tackled the bigger Book Reports yet. I use the Pedigree Report for my files, just to keep a handle on who fits where in the tree, since I'm working on my family as well as my husband's. I've certainly learned that I tend to make things more complex than they need to be and I'm trying to work on that. That's why I'm willing to learn from the long-time pros in the LUG! Dede P.S. My 24 year old son's favorite is the Ancestor Fan Chart, from Legacy Charting. He didn't really care about genealogy until I printed his for the first time. It was an AHA moment for him! On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Paula Ryburn wrote: Dede, Which reports do you use the most? Thanks, --Paula in Texas - Original Message From: Dede Holden To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:56:15 AM
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Thank you, Mary, for sharing your approach. I have a sort of combination going. I have previously hesitated in posting it, not wanting to be shot down. I enter census Events, and include in the Event Notes a description of the person within the household. If there's other nifty information, I include it there. (like the homesick wife) Also, I am entering husband/wife census events as one marriage event. Their appearance on censuses before marriage or after death of spouse are on the individual. Examples of an Event Notes entry: They were 38 and 37 years old, keeping shop, with 6 or their 8 children still living at home. Sally's brother and his family lived two doors down. OR He was age 20, living with his parents and 3 siblings. He was the census enumerator! I cite the source for every piece of data I have gleaned from the census, but what I write in the Event Notes is what strikes me as being interesting to the reader. Also, I will enter Occupation events for the individuals a lot of the time, and sometimes a Residence event... like, when I can see the address on the census sheet. --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: Mary Trogg marytr...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:18:33 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information I've struggled to find a balance between dry facts and bringing the information to life and have come up with this labor intensive compromise. I enter all census data under one event; census. The description is the years I have for the individual. I add a copy to the picture gallery of the census. I lump source everything by census year and put all information for an individual on the detail text screen. I also add a picture here. I do it this way so that whatever screen I'm on, I can see the image and I don't have to close sources to see the information about the individual. I spend a lot of time on the sources screen and it helps to compare source information too. Finally, as I find facts, I add to a short biography to notes. It's more interesting to read that a family moved from one state to another because the wife was hopelessly homesick, than to read the family lived in Minnesota, moved to Illinois and then back to Minnesota. I can choose to print either notes or events or both on a report depending on the recipient. Like I said labor intensive, but it appeals to my compulsive nature. I'm sure there are flaws to this system, but I print few reports and so far it works for me. Mary Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Mary Trogg wrote Finally, as I find facts, I add to a short biography to notes. It's more interesting to read that a family moved from one state to another because the wife was hopelessly homesick, than to read the family lived in Minnesota, moved to Illinois and then back to Minnesota. I can choose to print either notes or events or both on a report depending on the recipient. Like I said labor intensive, but it appeals to my compulsive nature. I'm sure there are flaws to this system, but I print few reports and so far it works for me. That's got to be a good idea because it's one I have recently been mulling over in my mind! I probably wouldn't implement it exactly as you describe, but the basic idea is the same - putting everything into Events but writing a more flowing narrative in Notes. Funnily enough I wrote to another LUGger off-list only a couple of hours ago describing this, but saying I hadn't quite worked it out enough to go public with the idea! -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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This is how I enter my CENSUS events CENSUS, year, place City County state country then in the notes I put this: 1) Sophie O, age 50, female, born in Poland, 2) Michael O, age 20, male, chauffer for taxi cab company, born in Poland 3) Tony O, age 22, male, laborer, born in Poland In a message dated 9/15/2009 10:56:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net writes: Angela, Thanks! This is the way I have been doing it. I use the book reports the most, and I like the narrative rather than a list of facts. I also enter the census events on the marriage while they are married. --Paula in Texas - Original Message From: Angela Gabbard gabba...@sbcglobal.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:33:26 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information I enter my census as follows: Census Description blank (I got started a long time ago not using this field and never have... not sure what my original reason was.) Date - year of census only Location - town/city, county, state, usa Notes He is living with his wife of 6 years and 4 children, working as a farmer, aged 43. Or She is living with her parents and siblings, attending school, aged 9. Etc... I enter an event for each individual listed in the census. Then in my sources I have the source name to read 1920 US Census: Indiana. SMITH, Joe (listing each census under the head of household name) And in the source details I do a transcription of each census (like others have indicated in their notes... with each name in the household, birth, age, profession, etc.) and then I also attach the census image to the source. This source I then attach to all of the family members. -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Jenny M Benson Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:01 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information Randolph Clark wrote Question: If you name the census image something other than the name of the primary person sought then how do you (easily) know whether you've found/saved that person's census location? I decided long ago that I needed a simple way of keeping track of what information or I had or did not have for every individual in my file so I created a spreadsheet. It has one sheet for each of the 4 branches of my family and each sheet has the User ID, forenames and surnames down the left side, with years of Birth and Death. There are then columns for Birth, Baptism, Marriage (3 columns - haven't had anyone marry 4 times yet!), Death and Burial, columns for each Census then columns showing briefly who the person is (wife of Joe Bloggs 123, for example) and their relationship (if any) to me. It only takes a second to update it as I go along and I can see at a glance where basic information is still to be located -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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In the same way, for US census, in the notes I put where I have looked for missing children (not the dead or known living elsewhere). ich in LA CA - Original Message From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:04:47 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information Mary Trogg wrote Finally, as I find facts, I add to a short biography to notes. It's more interesting to read that a family moved from one state to another because the wife was hopelessly homesick, than to read the family lived in Minnesota, moved to Illinois and then back to Minnesota. I can choose to print either notes or events or both on a report depending on the recipient. Like I said labor intensive, but it appeals to my compulsive nature. I'm sure there are flaws to this system, but I print few reports and so far it works for me. That's got to be a good idea because it's one I have recently been mulling over in my mind! I probably wouldn't implement it exactly as you describe, but the basic idea is the same - putting everything into Events but writing a more flowing narrative in Notes. Funnily enough I wrote to another LUGger off-list only a couple of hours ago describing this, but saying I hadn't quite worked it out enough to go public with the idea! -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Dede, Which reports do you use the most? Thanks, --Paula in Texas - Original Message From: Dede Holden deanbuc...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:56:15 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information Alan, I'm not quite sure what you meant by you don't use the default Census event but instead use an event for each Census? I use the default Census event, but the description, date, and place tailor it to each particular census. I started out putting the census details in the Source Detail Text field. Then I realized every time I cited the census, and printed the details, the reports became very cumbersome. So now I handle the census like Michele does. Event = Census Description = US Federal Date = 1930 (I am not as detailed here as Michele is) Location = Vicksburg, Warren, Mississippi, USA The Notes look like this: living at 735 Thomas St. Harry Thompson, head, owns home, value $4800, no radio, age 48, married at age 32, born in Miss., father born in Miss., mother born in Texas, conductor for steam railroad Ione Thompson, wife, age 40, married at at 24, born in Miss., parents born in Miss. Ethel E. Whitehead, sister-in-law, female, age 37, widowed, born in Miss., parents born in Miss., employed as saleslady at 5 and 10 store. Nora L. Whitehead, niece, age 17, single, born in Miss., parents born in Miss. In the reports it reads, He appeared on the US Federal census in 1930 living at 735 Thomas St As far as the Source citation goes, I have used the Sourcewriter template and I have a census source for each year, state, and county. I name them like this: Census: 1930 US Mississippi Warren It helps me to find them more quickly when I am citing the Master Source. I also use the Census event for every person listed in the household. It is very easy to copy the event to the clipboard on the Event screen, and then paste to the others. It even pastes the Source, so you enter the info once and then with just a few clicks the event is added to everyone involved. As far as the details go, if it is out of the ordinary, such as an adult who can't read or write, I will note that, but otherwise I assume they can read and write. I also attach a PDF of the census image as a multimedia file to the source detail, but I do not add any detail text or comments. I'm interested in this thread, because if anyone has a better way that produces the kind of reports I want, I'm always willing to learn. Dede On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Alan Jones a...@ajsquared.us wrote: Michele, Interesting so you don't use the default Census event but instead use an event for each Census? I had not thought about that. I guess that works better with the sentence structure and wording? I see for what I assume is your notes section you list each family member that was on the Census. So do you put that same event in for each person so that in your first example the exact same event (notes and all) for B.F. Graham, Sarah Ann, Archibald, Sarah E, Isabella, and William? I figure you would so that a report for any one person would show everything and one knows who the Head of House Hold was etc. I also noted that you did not put down unable to read or write for the kids. I got a kick out of finding my Grandfather on a Census entry and it saying could not read or write when i knew he could then i realized he was 3 at the time of the Census. I truly appreciate the details you provided they give some good examples. How do others handle this? thanks again Michele Alan Michele Lewis wrote: Here is what I do... Event: 1870 United Stated Federal Census Description: population schedule Date: 31 Jul 1870 Place: , Marion County, Mississippi, USA B.F. Graham, age 35, male, white, farmer, value of real state $50, born in MS, unable to read or write Sarah Ann Graham, age 30, female, white, wife, born in MS, unable to read or write Archibald Graham, age 6, male, white, at home, born in MS Sarah E. Graham, age 5, female, white, at home, born in MS Isabella Graham, age 1, female, white, at home, born in MS William Graham, age 9/12, male, white, at home, born in MS, born in Sep Here is one from 1900 for you... Event: 1900 United States Federal Census Description: population schedule Date: 11 Jun 1900 Place: , Marion County, Mississippi, USA James E. Simmons, head, white male, born Feb 1870, age 30, married 11 years, farmer, born in MS, both parents born in MS, can read/write/speak English, owns home free and clear, farm, #81 on farm schedule Corine E. Simmons, wife, white female, born Oct 1870, age 29, married 11 years, mother of 7 children, 6 living, born in MS, both parents born in MS, can read/speak English, unable to write Francis A. Simmons, daughter, white female, born Jul 1890, age 9, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS Mary Simmons, daughter, white female, born Oct 1891
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Mark, Which reports do you use? And do you include Notes? Thanks, --Paula in Texas - Original Message From: Mark Wilson dmwil...@dishmail.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:28:02 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information For my US Census events, I have created events named Census, US Federal, Census, US Federal Slave Schedule, and Census, US State. (The US State part may seem redundant, however, it differentiates the census event from a state within another country.) Most of my census entries are the Census, US Federal event. In the description field, I enter, for example, page 15C (362); roll T9_1322; enumeration district 135. The page number in parenthesis indicates a page number applied to the document after the census was taken. (Sometimes the original page number must be determined by examining pages before and/or after the page in question.) The roll number identifies the original film roll number of the document. (I get the roll number information from the source citation of each census image on Ancestry.com. You must be an Ancestry subscriber to access this information.) In the date field, I use the date of the enumeration shown on the census sheet, for example: 07 Jun 1880. In the place field, I obviously enter the place where the census enumeration was taken, such as: Precinct 1, Parker County, Texas, USA. When I save a copy of the census image, I give it a filename using the following format: Census, US Federal - 1880 Precinct 1, Parker County, Texas (p 15C).jpg. This way, I can just look at the file and know it pertains to the Census, US Federal event. It tells me the year and place where the census was taken. Also, in this example, I know that the image is of page/sheet 15C of the enumeration. (I use the original sheet number found on the document.) Then under the notes tab, I first place dwelling information, e. g., dwelling 127 / 127, line 47. For me, this indicates the order of the visitation of a particular dwelling and the order of the visitation of a particular family. The line number is, of course, the line on which the individual is shown. (The line number changes with each individual in the family.) I then double space and enter the information for the entire family similarly to the way Michele Lewis does it, as in her example below. I use bold font on the individual with whom I'm documenting so that he/she stands out from other family members. When finished, my entries looks something like this: Event: Census, US Federal Description: page 15C (362); roll T9_1322; enumeration district 135 Date: 07 Jun 1880 Place: Precinct 1, Parker County, Texas, USA Notes: dwelling 127 / 127, line 47 Line 45 = R. S. Philpot, head, white male, age 33 [b: about 1847], married, works on railroad, born NC, father born NC, mother born NC Line 46 = Mary Philpot, wife, white female, age 25 [b: about 1855], married, keeps house, born TN, father born NC, mother born NC Line 47 = *R. B. Wilson*, boarder, white male, age 28 [b: about 1852], married, works on railroad, born TN, father born NC, mother born NC Line 48 = Betty Wilson, boarder, white female, age 20 [b: about 1860], married, born MO, father born KY, mother born KY Michele Lewis wrote: Here is what I do... Event: 1870 United Stated Federal Census Description: population schedule Date: 31 Jul 1870 Place: , Marion County, Mississippi, USA B.F. Graham, age 35, male, white, farmer, value of real state $50, born in MS, unable to read or write Sarah Ann Graham, age 30, female, white, wife, born in MS, unable to read or write Archibald Graham, age 6, male, white, at home, born in MS Sarah E. Graham, age 5, female, white, at home, born in MS Isabella Graham, age 1, female, white, at home, born in MS William Graham, age 9/12, male, white, at home, born in MS, born in Sep Here is one from 1900 for you... Event: 1900 United States Federal Census Description: population schedule Date: 11 Jun 1900 Place: , Marion County, Mississippi, USA James E. Simmons, head, white male, born Feb 1870, age 30, married 11 years, farmer, born in MS, both parents born in MS, can read/write/speak English, owns home free and clear, farm, #81 on farm schedule Corine E. Simmons, wife, white female, born Oct 1870, age 29, married 11 years, mother of 7 children, 6 living, born in MS, both parents born in MS, can read/speak English, unable to write Francis A. Simmons, daughter, white female, born Jul 1890, age 9, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS Mary Simmons, daughter, white female, born Oct 1891, age 8, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS, did not attend school this year, unable to read or write, speaks English Jesse Simmons, son, white male, born Apr 1894, age 6, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS Walter Simmons, son, white male, born Mar 1896, age, 4 single, born in MS, both parents born in MS Lemuel Simmons
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Michele, I've been doing my entries a couple of different ways over the years, and read these threads with great interest. Two questions: 1. Do you enter all of that detail (the whole household) for EVERY individual in the household? 2. Which Legacy reports do you use the most? Thanks, --Paula in Texas - Original Message From: Michele Lewis cranberryf...@charter.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:01:57 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information Here is what I do... Event: 1870 United Stated Federal Census Description: population schedule Date: 31 Jul 1870 Place: , Marion County, Mississippi, USA B.F. Graham, age 35, male, white, farmer, value of real state $50, born in MS, unable to read or write Sarah Ann Graham, age 30, female, white, wife, born in MS, unable to read or write Archibald Graham, age 6, male, white, at home, born in MS Sarah E. Graham, age 5, female, white, at home, born in MS Isabella Graham, age 1, female, white, at home, born in MS William Graham, age 9/12, male, white, at home, born in MS, born in Sep Here is one from 1900 for you... Event: 1900 United States Federal Census Description: population schedule Date: 11 Jun 1900 Place: , Marion County, Mississippi, USA James E. Simmons, head, white male, born Feb 1870, age 30, married 11 years, farmer, born in MS, both parents born in MS, can read/write/speak English, owns home free and clear, farm, #81 on farm schedule Corine E. Simmons, wife, white female, born Oct 1870, age 29, married 11 years, mother of 7 children, 6 living, born in MS, both parents born in MS, can read/speak English, unable to write Francis A. Simmons, daughter, white female, born Jul 1890, age 9, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS Mary Simmons, daughter, white female, born Oct 1891, age 8, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS, did not attend school this year, unable to read or write, speaks English Jesse Simmons, son, white male, born Apr 1894, age 6, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS Walter Simmons, son, white male, born Mar 1896, age, 4 single, born in MS, both parents born in MS Lemuel Simmons, son, white male, born May 1900, age 1/12, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS Here is one that is not a population schedule... Event: 1850 United States Federal Census Description: slave schedule Date: 24 Sep 1850 Place: , Columbia County, Georgia, USA John Lewis 20 year old black male 14 year old black male 2 year old black male 1 year old black male 24 year old black female 4 year old black female And yet another.. Event: 1880 United States Federal Census Description: mortality schedule Date: 31 May 1880 Place: , Columbia County, Georgia, USA John Lewis, age 81, male, white, widowed, born in GA, both parents born in GA, farmer, died in May, cause of death - paralysis, attending physcian - J. Maddox Michele - Original Message - From: Alan Jones a...@ajsquared.us To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:34 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information I have seen many post about how to document/source Census information and the different styles and to be honest I have not made up my mind and won't till I have really done enough to decide. What I have seen less discussion of and really wanted to know more of is how to others document the lines/columns in a Census or do you even bother? 1. In Legacy you have an event called Census. What others enter do and find works best and why for the related event fields? -Description: -Date: -Place: -Notes: 2. How do you enter specific fields such as in the 1900 US Census like: Relation, Color or Race, Attended School, Can Read, Can Write, Can speak English, Owner or rented home, Farm or House .. or even my favorite in the 1870 Census is Whether deaf and dumb, blind, insane, or idiotic. Do you actually type Can Read: then Yes or No etc.? For each field? Where do you put that info so it looks right and shows up. 3. Do you do anything different if they are Head of House Hold vs not? 4. If you find an occupation field do then also enter that information into a new occupation event? Same thing This information sorta seems like source text, but that did not seem like the best place to put it so it would show up right in most reports. I could see how some would even put it in two places event and source text and I don't mind doing that if that were the best thing How do others handle all the fields and fun details so it shows right in reports or do you just say they were listed in the Census and provide no detailed information? More details the better. thanks for any all suggestions Alan Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical
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Jenny, Great idea! For census data, especially down through a lineage, I've usually done a hand-drawn chronology of sorts. But just recently I've been trying to get a handle on which documents I need to search for and request... not just my 4 branches, but also on my husband's side. Thanks!! --Paula in Texas - Original Message From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:01:15 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information Randolph Clark wrote Question: If you name the census image something other than the name of the primary person sought then how do you (easily) know whether you've found/saved that person's census location? I decided long ago that I needed a simple way of keeping track of what information or I had or did not have for every individual in my file so I created a spreadsheet. It has one sheet for each of the 4 branches of my family and each sheet has the User ID, forenames and surnames down the left side, with years of Birth and Death. There are then columns for Birth, Baptism, Marriage (3 columns - haven't had anyone marry 4 times yet!), Death and Burial, columns for each Census then columns showing briefly who the person is (wife of Joe Bloggs 123, for example) and their relationship (if any) to me. It only takes a second to update it as I go along and I can see at a glance where basic information is still to be located -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Angela, Thanks! This is the way I have been doing it. I use the book reports the most, and I like the narrative rather than a list of facts. I also enter the census events on the marriage while they are married. --Paula in Texas - Original Message From: Angela Gabbard gabba...@sbcglobal.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:33:26 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information I enter my census as follows: Census Description blank (I got started a long time ago not using this field and never have... not sure what my original reason was.) Date - year of census only Location - town/city, county, state, usa Notes He is living with his wife of 6 years and 4 children, working as a farmer, aged 43. Or She is living with her parents and siblings, attending school, aged 9. Etc... I enter an event for each individual listed in the census. Then in my sources I have the source name to read 1920 US Census: Indiana. SMITH, Joe (listing each census under the head of household name) And in the source details I do a transcription of each census (like others have indicated in their notes... with each name in the household, birth, age, profession, etc.) and then I also attach the census image to the source. This source I then attach to all of the family members. -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Jenny M Benson Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:01 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information Randolph Clark wrote Question: If you name the census image something other than the name of the primary person sought then how do you (easily) know whether you've found/saved that person's census location? I decided long ago that I needed a simple way of keeping track of what information or I had or did not have for every individual in my file so I created a spreadsheet. It has one sheet for each of the 4 branches of my family and each sheet has the User ID, forenames and surnames down the left side, with years of Birth and Death. There are then columns for Birth, Baptism, Marriage (3 columns - haven't had anyone marry 4 times yet!), Death and Burial, columns for each Census then columns showing briefly who the person is (wife of Joe Bloggs 123, for example) and their relationship (if any) to me. It only takes a second to update it as I go along and I can see at a glance where basic information is still to be located -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Randolph, To see whether or not I have an image for a particular person, I look at my Census, US Federal events for that individual. If it has an associated image attached for that event, then there will be a + sign showing at the right side of the event line. (This is viewing with the Individual's Information window open.) If there is no + sign, then I know that I need to add an image for the census event. By using the file structure (for census events) that I use, I can then associate the same image with many individuals. I don't have to have numerous copies of the same image that way. Also, by using the file structure that I use, I can ensure that there will never be a duplicate census image that may be under a different filename. This may, or may not, make sense to others, however, it provides me an orderly way to maintain my census images. Randolph Clark wrote: Question: If you name the census image something other than the name of the primary person sought then how do you (easily) know whether you've found/saved that person's census location? On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 7:28 AM, Mark Wilson dmwil...@dishmail.net mailto:dmwil...@dishmail.net wrote: For my US Census events, I have created events named Census, US Federal, Census, US Federal Slave Schedule, and Census, US State. (The US State part may seem redundant, however, it differentiates the census event from a state within another country.) Most of my census entries are the Census, US Federal event. In the description field, I enter, for example, page 15C (362); roll T9_1322; enumeration district 135. The page number in parenthesis indicates a page number applied to the document after the census was taken. (Sometimes the original page number must be determined by examining pages before and/or after the page in question.) The roll number identifies the original film roll number of the document. (I get the roll number information from the source citation of each census image on Ancestry.com. You must be an Ancestry subscriber to access this information.) In the date field, I use the date of the enumeration shown on the census sheet, for example: 07 Jun 1880. In the place field, I obviously enter the place where the census enumeration was taken, such as: Precinct 1, Parker County, Texas, USA. When I save a copy of the census image, I give it a filename using the following format: Census, US Federal - 1880 Precinct 1, Parker County, Texas (p 15C).jpg. This way, I can just look at the file and know it pertains to the Census, US Federal event. It tells me the year and place where the census was taken. Also, in this example, I know that the image is of page/sheet 15C of the enumeration. (I use the original sheet number found on the document.) Then under the notes tab, I first place dwelling information, e. g., dwelling 127 / 127, line 47. For me, this indicates the order of the visitation of a particular dwelling and the order of the visitation of a particular family. The line number is, of course, the line on which the individual is shown. (The line number changes with each individual in the family.) I then double space and enter the information for the entire family similarly to the way Michele Lewis does it, as in her example below. I use bold font on the individual with whom I'm documenting so that he/she stands out from other family members. When finished, my entries looks something like this: Event: Census, US Federal Description: page 15C (362); roll T9_1322; enumeration district 135 Date: 07 Jun 1880 Place: Precinct 1, Parker County, Texas, USA Notes: dwelling 127 / 127, line 47 Line 45 = R. S. Philpot, head, white male, age 33 [b: about 1847], married, works on railroad, born NC, father born NC, mother born NC Line 46 = Mary Philpot, wife, white female, age 25 [b: about 1855], married, keeps house, born TN, father born NC, mother born NC Line 47 = *R. B. Wilson*, boarder, white male, age 28 [b: about 1852], married, works on railroad, born TN, father born NC, mother born NC Line 48 = Betty Wilson, boarder, white female, age 20 [b: about 1860], married, born MO, father born KY, mother born KY Michele Lewis wrote: Here is what I do... Event: 1870 United Stated Federal Census Description: population schedule Date: 31 Jul 1870 Place: , Marion County, Mississippi, USA B.F. Graham, age 35, male, white, farmer, value of real state $50, born in MS, unable to read or write Sarah Ann Graham, age 30, female, white, wife, born in MS, unable to read or write Archibald Graham, age 6, male, white, at home, born in MS Sarah E. Graham, age 5,
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Mark Wilson wrote To see whether or not I have an image for a particular person, I look at my Census, US Federal events for that individual. If it has an associated image attached for that event, then there will be a + sign showing at the right side of the event line. I take it, then, that you don't use Event Addresses, because if you do that will put a + there, whether or not there is a picture attached. I think most people woud attach the Census image to the Source, rather than to the Event, but each to his/her own! (If I have a picture of the residence named in the Census I attach that to the Event. ) -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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I do pretty much the same. I call it Census, but in the description, I type United States Federal because then it reads She appeared on the United States Federal census... In the date field, I record the official date of the census in that particular year. (When transcribing the census record, I place the actual date the census was taken in the event detail text/comments field, along with the transcribed info, and copy it again into the notes for the event. That way, I can see at a glance when I open the event what is in there, rather than having to go back through the various screens to get to the info. And yes, I do definitely transcribe everything. It gives one a glimpse into what life was like then, as opposed to just having names/dates/places.) Roxanne Baird --- On Sat, 9/12/09, Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 1:47 PM I have a Master Source for each U. S. census year, state and county. So the source would be called: Missouri, Howell - census 1900 (Ancestry) In the census event, I call it simply census (but I think there is a good argument for having the census events defined by year). I do not put anything in the descriptive (although I have toyed with entering the exact head of household name). I use the exact census date, from the census page, as the date. I enter full census data in the Notes section, so that it will be viewable on the Chronology page: 1. Jas Phipps, head, owns free of mortgage, male, white, 48, Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, farmer 2. Martha Phipps, wife, female, white, 50, Tennessee, Tennessee, Tennessee 3. Tim Phipps, son, male, white, 20, Missouri, Missouri, Tennessee 4. Ruby Phipps, daughter, female, white, 15, attended school this year, Missouri, Missouri, Tennessee 5. Paul Phipps, son, male, white, 12, attended school this year, Missouri, Missouri, Tennessee 6. Sim Phipps, son, male, white, 10, attended school this year, Missouri, Missouri, Tennessee I also bold the person of interest in the above list. Having said that, I do try to keep my database up to date. But,I suggest to you that the more serious you get about your methodology, the less serious these questions become - because you do so much writing, with footnotes, and do not consider your database any longer to be chapter and verse. Janis Walker Gilmore On 9/11/09 4:57 PM, Alan Jones a...@ajsquared.us wrote: William H. Boswell wrote: This is how I've been doing mine. It would be nice if genealogy programs would provide a real template for enter the information. I haven't checked to see if Legacy has anything like that. William, I agree they have source templates it would be really nice to have event templates for each Census year at least the major Census years. thanks for your thoughts. Alan Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Alan, I'm not quite sure what you meant by you don't use the default Census event but instead use an event for each Census? I use the default Census event, but the description, date, and place tailor it to each particular census. I started out putting the census details in the Source Detail Text field. Then I realized every time I cited the census, and printed the details, the reports became very cumbersome. So now I handle the census like Michele does. Event = Census Description = US Federal Date = 1930 (I am not as detailed here as Michele is) Location = Vicksburg, Warren, Mississippi, USA The Notes look like this: living at 735 Thomas St. Harry Thompson, head, owns home, value $4800, no radio, age 48, married at age 32, born in Miss., father born in Miss., mother born in Texas, conductor for steam railroad Ione Thompson, wife, age 40, married at at 24, born in Miss., parents born in Miss. Ethel E. Whitehead, sister-in-law, female, age 37, widowed, born in Miss., parents born in Miss., employed as saleslady at 5 and 10 store. Nora L. Whitehead, niece, age 17, single, born in Miss., parents born in Miss. In the reports it reads, He appeared on the US Federal census in 1930 living at 735 Thomas St As far as the Source citation goes, I have used the Sourcewriter template and I have a census source for each year, state, and county. I name them like this: Census: 1930 US Mississippi Warren It helps me to find them more quickly when I am citing the Master Source. I also use the Census event for every person listed in the household. It is very easy to copy the event to the clipboard on the Event screen, and then paste to the others. It even pastes the Source, so you enter the info once and then with just a few clicks the event is added to everyone involved. As far as the details go, if it is out of the ordinary, such as an adult who can't read or write, I will note that, but otherwise I assume they can read and write. I also attach a PDF of the census image as a multimedia file to the source detail, but I do not add any detail text or comments. I'm interested in this thread, because if anyone has a better way that produces the kind of reports I want, I'm always willing to learn. Dede On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Alan Jones a...@ajsquared.us wrote: Michele, Interesting so you don't use the default Census event but instead use an event for each Census? I had not thought about that. I guess that works better with the sentence structure and wording? I see for what I assume is your notes section you list each family member that was on the Census. So do you put that same event in for each person so that in your first example the exact same event (notes and all) for B.F. Graham, Sarah Ann, Archibald, Sarah E, Isabella, and William? I figure you would so that a report for any one person would show everything and one knows who the Head of House Hold was etc. I also noted that you did not put down unable to read or write for the kids. I got a kick out of finding my Grandfather on a Census entry and it saying could not read or write when i knew he could then i realized he was 3 at the time of the Census. I truly appreciate the details you provided they give some good examples. How do others handle this? thanks again Michele Alan Michele Lewis wrote: Here is what I do... Event: 1870 United Stated Federal Census Description: population schedule Date: 31 Jul 1870 Place: , Marion County, Mississippi, USA B.F. Graham, age 35, male, white, farmer, value of real state $50, born in MS, unable to read or write Sarah Ann Graham, age 30, female, white, wife, born in MS, unable to read or write Archibald Graham, age 6, male, white, at home, born in MS Sarah E. Graham, age 5, female, white, at home, born in MS Isabella Graham, age 1, female, white, at home, born in MS William Graham, age 9/12, male, white, at home, born in MS, born in Sep Here is one from 1900 for you... Event: 1900 United States Federal Census Description: population schedule Date: 11 Jun 1900 Place: , Marion County, Mississippi, USA James E. Simmons, head, white male, born Feb 1870, age 30, married 11 years, farmer, born in MS, both parents born in MS, can read/write/speak English, owns home free and clear, farm, #81 on farm schedule Corine E. Simmons, wife, white female, born Oct 1870, age 29, married 11 years, mother of 7 children, 6 living, born in MS, both parents born in MS, can read/speak English, unable to write Francis A. Simmons, daughter, white female, born Jul 1890, age 9, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS Mary Simmons, daughter, white female, born Oct 1891, age 8, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS, did not attend school this year, unable to read or write, speaks English Jesse Simmons, son, white male, born Apr 1894, age 6, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS Walter Simmons, son, white male, born Mar 1896,
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Alan Jones wrote 1. In Legacy you have an event called Census. What others enter do and find works best and why for the related event fields? -Description: -Date: -Place: -Notes: It has taken me ages to decide how to handle Censuses and I have changed my method a few times, but this is how I do it now. Firstly, I have separate Census Events for the Censuses of each Country In the Description field I enter the full details from each column of the Census, so a typical entry might read Joe Bloggs; head of household; married; aged 36; born in Birkenhead, Cheshire; Farmer employing 5 men and 2 boys. (There are additional fields in some years. I add lunatic or blind or whatever if there is an entry in that column.) Date is the date of enumeration which is one specific date for England, Scotland, Wales etc. In Place I enter the full address of the household, or as much as is given which may or may not include house number or name and street name. In the Notes field I enter all the people in the household with their RINs, for example The household comprised Joe Bloggs 123, his wife Fanny Adams 124, their children Mary Bloggs 333 John Bloggs 335, a Cook and a Housemaid. (I will not usually include the Notes in Reports which include Events, or might edit the Report so that the Notes are only included for the Head of Household.) This method of entry makes it very quick and easy to use the Event Clipboard to enter the Census information for everyone in a large household, as only the Description line needs to be changed for each person. When I look at any one individual I get a complete picture of their household. 2. How do you enter specific fields such as in the 1900 US Census like: Relation, Color or Race, Attended School, Can Read, Can Write, Can speak English, Owner or rented home, Farm or House .. or even my favorite in the 1870 Census is Whether deaf and dumb, blind, insane, or idiotic. I've hardly had to deal with any US Censuses yet, but if faced with all those columns I think I would include them all much as I do now: Joe Bloggs ... white; attended school; cannot read or write; can speak English; home owner; farm... -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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This is how I've been doing mine. It would be nice if genealogy programs would provide a real template for enter the information. I haven't checked to see if Legacy has anything like that. This isn't the greatest, but I just transcribe the more important things, but also attach the image if I need additional information. When doing hundreds of these it's time consuming to transcribe everything especially information that isn't really needed. Besides, I never find much truth in the census. Allman, Margaret, Head, F, W, 52, Wd, Birthplace: CT (Parents: Ireland) Allman, John A., Son, M, W, 29, S, Birthplace: DC (Father: DC; Mother: CT) Allman, Daniel M., Son, M, W, 28, S, Birthplace: DC (Father: DC; Mother: CT) Allman, James J., Son, M, W, 24, S, Birthplace: DC (Father: DC; Mother: CT) Allman, Francis G., Son, M, W, 21, S, Birthplace: DC (Father: DC; Mother: CT) Allman, Bernard A., Son, M, W, 18, S, Birthplace: DC (Father: DC; Mother: CT) Allman, Leo M., Son, M, W, 16, S, Birthplace: DC (Father: DC; Mother: CT) Allman, Rita J., Daughter, F, W, 13, S, Birthpalce: DC (Father: DC; Mother: CT) [1930 DC T626_296 Pg 11-B, ED133 Image 58, April 9, 1930; 127 12th Street SE] -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Alan Jones Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:35 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information I have seen many post about how to document/source Census information and the different styles and to be honest I have not made up my mind and won't till I have really done enough to decide. What I have seen less discussion of and really wanted to know more of is how to others document the lines/columns in a Census or do you even bother? 1. In Legacy you have an event called Census. What others enter do and find works best and why for the related event fields? -Description: -Date: -Place: -Notes: 2. How do you enter specific fields such as in the 1900 US Census like: Relation, Color or Race, Attended School, Can Read, Can Write, Can speak English, Owner or rented home, Farm or House .. or even my favorite in the 1870 Census is Whether deaf and dumb, blind, insane, or idiotic. Do you actually type Can Read: then Yes or No etc.? For each field? Where do you put that info so it looks right and shows up. 3. Do you do anything different if they are Head of House Hold vs not? 4. If you find an occupation field do then also enter that information into a new occupation event? Same thing This information sorta seems like source text, but that did not seem like the best place to put it so it would show up right in most reports. I could see how some would even put it in two places event and source text and I don't mind doing that if that were the best thing How do others handle all the fields and fun details so it shows right in reports or do you just say they were listed in the Census and provide no detailed information? More details the better. thanks for any all suggestions Alan Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Alan, I have answered all of your questions below Interesting so you don't use the default Census event but instead use an event for each Census? I had not thought about that. I guess that works better with the sentence structure and wording? I have a separate event for every federal census year (1790 through 1930) and I have separate events for assorted state censuses (for example, 1845 Mississippi State Census) as well as territorial census (1816 Mississippi Territorial Census). It is nice and tidy and prints nice. That isn't that many really. There are 14 for the federal census. I see for what I assume is your notes section you list each family member that was on the Census. So do you put that same event in for each person so that in your first example the exact same event (notes and all) for B.F. Graham, Sarah Ann, Archibald, Sarah E, Isabella, and William? I figure you would so that a report for any one person would show everything and one knows who the Head of House Hold was etc. Yes, your are looking at the notes section. I do attach the census to everyone that is included in that census. I do it that why because that is what was suggested on the Legacy videos and I have found it to be useful. If I do an individual report, you will get all of the info. If I only attached it to the head of household it would be harder to look at the person as a whole, their migration (from when they were in their parents' household, to their marriage household, to the household of one of their children)/ I also noted that you did not put down unable to read or write for the kids. I got a kick out of finding my Grandfather on a Census entry and it saying could not read or write when i knew he could then i realized he was 3 at the time of the Census. I write it as written. You will find all kinds of silly things on the census. For example, boys listed as girls, girls listed as boys, a head of household (who was in his 50s) listed as being 12. If it isn't a glaring error, I will mark it with a [sic]. Also, the census I copied is actually one that needs to be redone. I prefer listing it as unable to read or write, speaks English (separating the speaking of English out of the reading and writing). Michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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For my US Census events, I have created events named Census, US Federal, Census, US Federal Slave Schedule, and Census, US State. (The US State part may seem redundant, however, it differentiates the census event from a state within another country.) Most of my census entries are the Census, US Federal event. In the description field, I enter, for example, page 15C (362); roll T9_1322; enumeration district 135. The page number in parenthesis indicates a page number applied to the document after the census was taken. (Sometimes the original page number must be determined by examining pages before and/or after the page in question.) The roll number identifies the original film roll number of the document. (I get the roll number information from the source citation of each census image on Ancestry.com. You must be an Ancestry subscriber to access this information.) In the date field, I use the date of the enumeration shown on the census sheet, for example: 07 Jun 1880. In the place field, I obviously enter the place where the census enumeration was taken, such as: Precinct 1, Parker County, Texas, USA. When I save a copy of the census image, I give it a filename using the following format: Census, US Federal - 1880 Precinct 1, Parker County, Texas (p 15C).jpg. This way, I can just look at the file and know it pertains to the Census, US Federal event. It tells me the year and place where the census was taken. Also, in this example, I know that the image is of page/sheet 15C of the enumeration. (I use the original sheet number found on the document.) Then under the notes tab, I first place dwelling information, e. g., dwelling 127 / 127, line 47. For me, this indicates the order of the visitation of a particular dwelling and the order of the visitation of a particular family. The line number is, of course, the line on which the individual is shown. (The line number changes with each individual in the family.) I then double space and enter the information for the entire family similarly to the way Michele Lewis does it, as in her example below. I use bold font on the individual with whom I'm documenting so that he/she stands out from other family members. When finished, my entries looks something like this: Event: Census, US Federal Description: page 15C (362); roll T9_1322; enumeration district 135 Date: 07 Jun 1880 Place: Precinct 1, Parker County, Texas, USA Notes: dwelling 127 / 127, line 47 Line 45 = R. S. Philpot, head, white male, age 33 [b: about 1847], married, works on railroad, born NC, father born NC, mother born NC Line 46 = Mary Philpot, wife, white female, age 25 [b: about 1855], married, keeps house, born TN, father born NC, mother born NC Line 47 = *R. B. Wilson*, boarder, white male, age 28 [b: about 1852], married, works on railroad, born TN, father born NC, mother born NC Line 48 = Betty Wilson, boarder, white female, age 20 [b: about 1860], married, born MO, father born KY, mother born KY Michele Lewis wrote: Here is what I do... Event: 1870 United Stated Federal Census Description: population schedule Date: 31 Jul 1870 Place: , Marion County, Mississippi, USA B.F. Graham, age 35, male, white, farmer, value of real state $50, born in MS, unable to read or write Sarah Ann Graham, age 30, female, white, wife, born in MS, unable to read or write Archibald Graham, age 6, male, white, at home, born in MS Sarah E. Graham, age 5, female, white, at home, born in MS Isabella Graham, age 1, female, white, at home, born in MS William Graham, age 9/12, male, white, at home, born in MS, born in Sep Here is one from 1900 for you... Event: 1900 United States Federal Census Description: population schedule Date: 11 Jun 1900 Place: , Marion County, Mississippi, USA James E. Simmons, head, white male, born Feb 1870, age 30, married 11 years, farmer, born in MS, both parents born in MS, can read/write/speak English, owns home free and clear, farm, #81 on farm schedule Corine E. Simmons, wife, white female, born Oct 1870, age 29, married 11 years, mother of 7 children, 6 living, born in MS, both parents born in MS, can read/speak English, unable to write Francis A. Simmons, daughter, white female, born Jul 1890, age 9, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS Mary Simmons, daughter, white female, born Oct 1891, age 8, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS, did not attend school this year, unable to read or write, speaks English Jesse Simmons, son, white male, born Apr 1894, age 6, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS Walter Simmons, son, white male, born Mar 1896, age, 4 single, born in MS, both parents born in MS Lemuel Simmons, son, white male, born May 1900, age 1/12, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS Here is one that is not a population schedule... Event: 1850 United States Federal Census Description: slave schedule Date: 24 Sep 1850 Place: , Columbia County, Georgia, USA John Lewis 20 year old
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In the description field, I enter, for example, page 15C (362); roll T9_1322; enumeration district 135. Mark, I put that as part of the source sitation. Also... In the place field, I obviously enter the place where the census enumeration was taken, such as: Precinct 1, Parker County, Texas, USA. In the place field I only put normal place names so that my locations don't get messed up HOWEVER I do put Precinct 1 (or Beat 5, or New Augusta post office, in the location field of the citation). Here is what one of my citations looks like... 1880 U.S. census, Covington Co, Mississippi population schedule, Beat 3, Holleday Creek, enumeration district (ED) 124, p. 5, dwelling 28, family 32, B.F. Graham; digital images, Ancestry (www.ancestry.com : accessed 20 Jun 2008); citing National Archives and Records Administration microfilm T9, roll 646. michele - Original Message - From: Mark Wilson dmwil...@dishmail.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information For my US Census events, I have created events named Census, US Federal, Census, US Federal Slave Schedule, and Census, US State. (The US State part may seem redundant, however, it differentiates the census event from a state within another country.) Most of my census entries are the Census, US Federal event. In the description field, I enter, for example, page 15C (362); roll T9_1322; enumeration district 135. The page number in parenthesis indicates a page number applied to the document after the census was taken. (Sometimes the original page number must be determined by examining pages before and/or after the page in question.) The roll number identifies the original film roll number of the document. (I get the roll number information from the source citation of each census image on Ancestry.com. You must be an Ancestry subscriber to access this information.) In the date field, I use the date of the enumeration shown on the census sheet, for example: 07 Jun 1880. In the place field, I obviously enter the place where the census enumeration was taken, such as: Precinct 1, Parker County, Texas, USA. When I save a copy of the census image, I give it a filename using the following format: Census, US Federal - 1880 Precinct 1, Parker County, Texas (p 15C).jpg. This way, I can just look at the file and know it pertains to the Census, US Federal event. It tells me the year and place where the census was taken. Also, in this example, I know that the image is of page/sheet 15C of the enumeration. (I use the original sheet number found on the document.) Then under the notes tab, I first place dwelling information, e. g., dwelling 127 / 127, line 47. For me, this indicates the order of the visitation of a particular dwelling and the order of the visitation of a particular family. The line number is, of course, the line on which the individual is shown. (The line number changes with each individual in the family.) I then double space and enter the information for the entire family similarly to the way Michele Lewis does it, as in her example below. I use bold font on the individual with whom I'm documenting so that he/she stands out from other family members. When finished, my entries looks something like this: Event: Census, US Federal Description: page 15C (362); roll T9_1322; enumeration district 135 Date: 07 Jun 1880 Place: Precinct 1, Parker County, Texas, USA Notes: dwelling 127 / 127, line 47 Line 45 = R. S. Philpot, head, white male, age 33 [b: about 1847], married, works on railroad, born NC, father born NC, mother born NC Line 46 = Mary Philpot, wife, white female, age 25 [b: about 1855], married, keeps house, born TN, father born NC, mother born NC Line 47 = *R. B. Wilson*, boarder, white male, age 28 [b: about 1852], married, works on railroad, born TN, father born NC, mother born NC Line 48 = Betty Wilson, boarder, white female, age 20 [b: about 1860], married, born MO, father born KY, mother born KY Michele Lewis wrote: Here is what I do... Event: 1870 United Stated Federal Census Description: population schedule Date: 31 Jul 1870 Place: , Marion County, Mississippi, USA B.F. Graham, age 35, male, white, farmer, value of real state $50, born in MS, unable to read or write Sarah Ann Graham, age 30, female, white, wife, born in MS, unable to read or write Archibald Graham, age 6, male, white, at home, born in MS Sarah E. Graham, age 5, female, white, at home, born in MS Isabella Graham, age 1, female, white, at home, born in MS William Graham, age 9/12, male, white, at home, born in MS, born in Sep Here is one from 1900 for you... Event: 1900 United States Federal Census Description: population schedule Date: 11 Jun 1900 Place: , Marion County, Mississippi, USA James E. Simmons, head, white male, born Feb 1870, age 30, married 11 years, farmer, born in MS, both parents born in MS, can read/write
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Question: If you name the census image something other than the name of the primary person sought then how do you (easily) know whether you've found/saved that person's census location? On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 7:28 AM, Mark Wilson dmwil...@dishmail.net wrote: For my US Census events, I have created events named Census, US Federal, Census, US Federal Slave Schedule, and Census, US State. (The US State part may seem redundant, however, it differentiates the census event from a state within another country.) Most of my census entries are the Census, US Federal event. In the description field, I enter, for example, page 15C (362); roll T9_1322; enumeration district 135. The page number in parenthesis indicates a page number applied to the document after the census was taken. (Sometimes the original page number must be determined by examining pages before and/or after the page in question.) The roll number identifies the original film roll number of the document. (I get the roll number information from the source citation of each census image on Ancestry.com. You must be an Ancestry subscriber to access this information.) In the date field, I use the date of the enumeration shown on the census sheet, for example: 07 Jun 1880. In the place field, I obviously enter the place where the census enumeration was taken, such as: Precinct 1, Parker County, Texas, USA. When I save a copy of the census image, I give it a filename using the following format: Census, US Federal - 1880 Precinct 1, Parker County, Texas (p 15C).jpg. This way, I can just look at the file and know it pertains to the Census, US Federal event. It tells me the year and place where the census was taken. Also, in this example, I know that the image is of page/sheet 15C of the enumeration. (I use the original sheet number found on the document.) Then under the notes tab, I first place dwelling information, e. g., dwelling 127 / 127, line 47. For me, this indicates the order of the visitation of a particular dwelling and the order of the visitation of a particular family. The line number is, of course, the line on which the individual is shown. (The line number changes with each individual in the family.) I then double space and enter the information for the entire family similarly to the way Michele Lewis does it, as in her example below. I use bold font on the individual with whom I'm documenting so that he/she stands out from other family members. When finished, my entries looks something like this: Event: Census, US Federal Description: page 15C (362); roll T9_1322; enumeration district 135 Date: 07 Jun 1880 Place: Precinct 1, Parker County, Texas, USA Notes: dwelling 127 / 127, line 47 Line 45 = R. S. Philpot, head, white male, age 33 [b: about 1847], married, works on railroad, born NC, father born NC, mother born NC Line 46 = Mary Philpot, wife, white female, age 25 [b: about 1855], married, keeps house, born TN, father born NC, mother born NC Line 47 = *R. B. Wilson*, boarder, white male, age 28 [b: about 1852], married, works on railroad, born TN, father born NC, mother born NC Line 48 = Betty Wilson, boarder, white female, age 20 [b: about 1860], married, born MO, father born KY, mother born KY Michele Lewis wrote: Here is what I do... Event: 1870 United Stated Federal Census Description: population schedule Date: 31 Jul 1870 Place: , Marion County, Mississippi, USA B.F. Graham, age 35, male, white, farmer, value of real state $50, born in MS, unable to read or write Sarah Ann Graham, age 30, female, white, wife, born in MS, unable to read or write Archibald Graham, age 6, male, white, at home, born in MS Sarah E. Graham, age 5, female, white, at home, born in MS Isabella Graham, age 1, female, white, at home, born in MS William Graham, age 9/12, male, white, at home, born in MS, born in Sep Here is one from 1900 for you... Event: 1900 United States Federal Census Description: population schedule Date: 11 Jun 1900 Place: , Marion County, Mississippi, USA James E. Simmons, head, white male, born Feb 1870, age 30, married 11 years, farmer, born in MS, both parents born in MS, can read/write/speak English, owns home free and clear, farm, #81 on farm schedule Corine E. Simmons, wife, white female, born Oct 1870, age 29, married 11 years, mother of 7 children, 6 living, born in MS, both parents born in MS, can read/speak English, unable to write Francis A. Simmons, daughter, white female, born Jul 1890, age 9, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS Mary Simmons, daughter, white female, born Oct 1891, age 8, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS, did not attend school this year, unable to read or write, speaks English Jesse Simmons, son, white male, born Apr 1894, age 6, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS Walter Simmons, son, white male, born Mar 1896, age, 4 single,
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Randolph Clark wrote Question: If you name the census image something other than the name of the primary person sought then how do you (easily) know whether you've found/saved that person's census location? I decided long ago that I needed a simple way of keeping track of what information or I had or did not have for every individual in my file so I created a spreadsheet. It has one sheet for each of the 4 branches of my family and each sheet has the User ID, forenames and surnames down the left side, with years of Birth and Death. There are then columns for Birth, Baptism, Marriage (3 columns - haven't had anyone marry 4 times yet!), Death and Burial, columns for each Census then columns showing briefly who the person is (wife of Joe Bloggs 123, for example) and their relationship (if any) to me. It only takes a second to update it as I go along and I can see at a glance where basic information is still to be located -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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I enter my census as follows: Census Description blank (I got started a long time ago not using this field and never have... not sure what my original reason was.) Date - year of census only Location - town/city, county, state, usa Notes He is living with his wife of 6 years and 4 children, working as a farmer, aged 43. Or She is living with her parents and siblings, attending school, aged 9. Etc... I enter an event for each individual listed in the census. Then in my sources I have the source name to read 1920 US Census: Indiana. SMITH, Joe (listing each census under the head of household name) And in the source details I do a transcription of each census (like others have indicated in their notes... with each name in the household, birth, age, profession, etc.) and then I also attach the census image to the source. This source I then attach to all of the family members. -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Jenny M Benson Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:01 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information Randolph Clark wrote Question: If you name the census image something other than the name of the primary person sought then how do you (easily) know whether you've found/saved that person's census location? I decided long ago that I needed a simple way of keeping track of what information or I had or did not have for every individual in my file so I created a spreadsheet. It has one sheet for each of the 4 branches of my family and each sheet has the User ID, forenames and surnames down the left side, with years of Birth and Death. There are then columns for Birth, Baptism, Marriage (3 columns - haven't had anyone marry 4 times yet!), Death and Burial, columns for each Census then columns showing briefly who the person is (wife of Joe Bloggs 123, for example) and their relationship (if any) to me. It only takes a second to update it as I go along and I can see at a glance where basic information is still to be located -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Michaele, thanks for the clarification Michele Lewis wrote: Alan, I have answered all of your questions below Interesting so you don't use the default Census event but instead use an event for each Census? I had not thought about that. I guess that works better with the sentence structure and wording? I have a separate event for every federal census year (1790 through 1930) and I have separate events for assorted state censuses (for example, 1845 Mississippi State Census) as well as territorial census (1816 Mississippi Territorial Census). It is nice and tidy and prints nice. That isn't that many really. There are 14 for the federal census. I see for what I assume is your notes section you list each family member that was on the Census. So do you put that same event in for each person so that in your first example the exact same event (notes and all) for B.F. Graham, Sarah Ann, Archibald, Sarah E, Isabella, and William? I figure you would so that a report for any one person would show everything and one knows who the Head of House Hold was etc. Yes, your are looking at the notes section. I do attach the census to everyone that is included in that census. I do it that why because that is what was suggested on the Legacy videos and I have found it to be useful. If I do an individual report, you will get all of the info. If I only attached it to the head of household it would be harder to look at the person as a whole, their migration (from when they were in their parents' household, to their marriage household, to the household of one of their children)/ I also noted that you did not put down unable to read or write for the kids. I got a kick out of finding my Grandfather on a Census entry and it saying could not read or write when i knew he could then i realized he was 3 at the time of the Census. I write it as written. You will find all kinds of silly things on the census. For example, boys listed as girls, girls listed as boys, a head of household (who was in his 50s) listed as being 12. If it isn't a glaring error, I will mark it with a [sic]. Also, the census I copied is actually one that needs to be redone. I prefer listing it as unable to read or write, speaks English (separating the speaking of English out of the reading and writing). Michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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William H. Boswell wrote: This is how I've been doing mine. It would be nice if genealogy programs would provide a real template for enter the information. I haven't checked to see if Legacy has anything like that. William, I agree they have source templates it would be really nice to have event templates for each Census year at least the major Census years. thanks for your thoughts. Alan Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Here is what I do... Event: 1870 United Stated Federal Census Description: population schedule Date: 31 Jul 1870 Place: , Marion County, Mississippi, USA B.F. Graham, age 35, male, white, farmer, value of real state $50, born in MS, unable to read or write Sarah Ann Graham, age 30, female, white, wife, born in MS, unable to read or write Archibald Graham, age 6, male, white, at home, born in MS Sarah E. Graham, age 5, female, white, at home, born in MS Isabella Graham, age 1, female, white, at home, born in MS William Graham, age 9/12, male, white, at home, born in MS, born in Sep Here is one from 1900 for you... Event: 1900 United States Federal Census Description: population schedule Date: 11 Jun 1900 Place: , Marion County, Mississippi, USA James E. Simmons, head, white male, born Feb 1870, age 30, married 11 years, farmer, born in MS, both parents born in MS, can read/write/speak English, owns home free and clear, farm, #81 on farm schedule Corine E. Simmons, wife, white female, born Oct 1870, age 29, married 11 years, mother of 7 children, 6 living, born in MS, both parents born in MS, can read/speak English, unable to write Francis A. Simmons, daughter, white female, born Jul 1890, age 9, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS Mary Simmons, daughter, white female, born Oct 1891, age 8, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS, did not attend school this year, unable to read or write, speaks English Jesse Simmons, son, white male, born Apr 1894, age 6, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS Walter Simmons, son, white male, born Mar 1896, age, 4 single, born in MS, both parents born in MS Lemuel Simmons, son, white male, born May 1900, age 1/12, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS Here is one that is not a population schedule... Event: 1850 United States Federal Census Description: slave schedule Date: 24 Sep 1850 Place: , Columbia County, Georgia, USA John Lewis 20 year old black male 14 year old black male 2 year old black male 1 year old black male 24 year old black female 4 year old black female And yet another.. Event: 1880 United States Federal Census Description: mortality schedule Date: 31 May 1880 Place: , Columbia County, Georgia, USA John Lewis, age 81, male, white, widowed, born in GA, both parents born in GA, farmer, died in May, cause of death - paralysis, attending physcian - J. Maddox Michele - Original Message - From: Alan Jones a...@ajsquared.us To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:34 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information I have seen many post about how to document/source Census information and the different styles and to be honest I have not made up my mind and won't till I have really done enough to decide. What I have seen less discussion of and really wanted to know more of is how to others document the lines/columns in a Census or do you even bother? 1. In Legacy you have an event called Census. What others enter do and find works best and why for the related event fields? -Description: -Date: -Place: -Notes: 2. How do you enter specific fields such as in the 1900 US Census like: Relation, Color or Race, Attended School, Can Read, Can Write, Can speak English, Owner or rented home, Farm or House .. or even my favorite in the 1870 Census is Whether deaf and dumb, blind, insane, or idiotic. Do you actually type Can Read: then Yes or No etc.? For each field? Where do you put that info so it looks right and shows up. 3. Do you do anything different if they are Head of House Hold vs not? 4. If you find an occupation field do then also enter that information into a new occupation event? Same thing This information sorta seems like source text, but that did not seem like the best place to put it so it would show up right in most reports. I could see how some would even put it in two places event and source text and I don't mind doing that if that were the best thing How do others handle all the fields and fun details so it shows right in reports or do you just say they were listed in the Census and provide no detailed information? More details the better. thanks for any all suggestions Alan Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.89/2359 - Release Date: 09/10/09 05:50:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support:
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Because I started with computers 30 years ago and memory was expensive, I used a lot of one letter words, and put a - when it was blank, for a place saver, to maintain the columns (never really looked good). The important part is to make your transcription something that you (and others) can look at and understand what the census actually says. Example in 1930 NR means no radio but elsewhere NRNW means no read no write. Do what makes sense to you. For your question 2 I use NDDB = Not Deaf, Dumb, Blind; beause my family members that had one or more of these situations , had the types filled in there, so I saw someone on a page, near my relation who had deaf and dumb, and idiotic listed. I put Y for speak English or N for obvious. I at one time had tried to move the details into Excel, but it was eating up too much memory. Now I can afford more but don't want to do it anymore. I am content with what I have. Rich in LA CA - Original Message From: Alan Jones a...@ajsquared.us To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:34:44 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information I have seen many post about how to document/source Census information and the different styles and to be honest I have not made up my mind and won't till I have really done enough to decide. What I have seen less discussion of and really wanted to know more of is how to others document the lines/columns in a Census or do you even bother? 1. In Legacy you have an event called Census. What others enter do and find works best and why for the related event fields? -Description: -Date: -Place: -Notes: 2. How do you enter specific fields such as in the 1900 US Census like: Relation, Color or Race, Attended School, Can Read, Can Write, Can speak English, Owner or rented home, Farm or House .. or even my favorite in the 1870 Census is Whether deaf and dumb, blind, insane, or idiotic. Do you actually type Can Read: then Yes or No etc.? For each field? Where do you put that info so it looks right and shows up. 3. Do you do anything different if they are Head of House Hold vs not? 4. If you find an occupation field do then also enter that information into a new occupation event? Same thing This information sorta seems like source text, but that did not seem like the best place to put it so it would show up right in most reports. I could see how some would even put it in two places event and source text and I don't mind doing that if that were the best thing How do others handle all the fields and fun details so it shows right in reports or do you just say they were listed in the Census and provide no detailed information? More details the better. thanks for any all suggestions Alan Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information
Michele, Interesting so you don't use the default Census event but instead use an event for each Census? I had not thought about that. I guess that works better with the sentence structure and wording? I see for what I assume is your notes section you list each family member that was on the Census. So do you put that same event in for each person so that in your first example the exact same event (notes and all) for B.F. Graham, Sarah Ann, Archibald, Sarah E, Isabella, and William? I figure you would so that a report for any one person would show everything and one knows who the Head of House Hold was etc. I also noted that you did not put down unable to read or write for the kids. I got a kick out of finding my Grandfather on a Census entry and it saying could not read or write when i knew he could then i realized he was 3 at the time of the Census. I truly appreciate the details you provided they give some good examples. How do others handle this? thanks again Michele Alan Michele Lewis wrote: Here is what I do... Event: 1870 United Stated Federal Census Description: population schedule Date: 31 Jul 1870 Place: , Marion County, Mississippi, USA B.F. Graham, age 35, male, white, farmer, value of real state $50, born in MS, unable to read or write Sarah Ann Graham, age 30, female, white, wife, born in MS, unable to read or write Archibald Graham, age 6, male, white, at home, born in MS Sarah E. Graham, age 5, female, white, at home, born in MS Isabella Graham, age 1, female, white, at home, born in MS William Graham, age 9/12, male, white, at home, born in MS, born in Sep Here is one from 1900 for you... Event: 1900 United States Federal Census Description: population schedule Date: 11 Jun 1900 Place: , Marion County, Mississippi, USA James E. Simmons, head, white male, born Feb 1870, age 30, married 11 years, farmer, born in MS, both parents born in MS, can read/write/speak English, owns home free and clear, farm, #81 on farm schedule Corine E. Simmons, wife, white female, born Oct 1870, age 29, married 11 years, mother of 7 children, 6 living, born in MS, both parents born in MS, can read/speak English, unable to write Francis A. Simmons, daughter, white female, born Jul 1890, age 9, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS Mary Simmons, daughter, white female, born Oct 1891, age 8, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS, did not attend school this year, unable to read or write, speaks English Jesse Simmons, son, white male, born Apr 1894, age 6, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS Walter Simmons, son, white male, born Mar 1896, age, 4 single, born in MS, both parents born in MS Lemuel Simmons, son, white male, born May 1900, age 1/12, single, born in MS, both parents born in MS Here is one that is not a population schedule... Event: 1850 United States Federal Census Description: slave schedule Date: 24 Sep 1850 Place: , Columbia County, Georgia, USA John Lewis 20 year old black male 14 year old black male 2 year old black male 1 year old black male 24 year old black female 4 year old black female And yet another.. Event: 1880 United States Federal Census Description: mortality schedule Date: 31 May 1880 Place: , Columbia County, Georgia, USA John Lewis, age 81, male, white, widowed, born in GA, both parents born in GA, farmer, died in May, cause of death - paralysis, attending physcian - J. Maddox Michele - Original Message - From: Alan Jones a...@ajsquared.us To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:34 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information I have seen many post about how to document/source Census information and the different styles and to be honest I have not made up my mind and won't till I have really done enough to decide. What I have seen less discussion of and really wanted to know more of is how to others document the lines/columns in a Census or do you even bother? 1. In Legacy you have an event called Census. What others enter do and find works best and why for the related event fields? -Description: -Date: -Place: -Notes: 2. How do you enter specific fields such as in the 1900 US Census like: Relation, Color or Race, Attended School, Can Read, Can Write, Can speak English, Owner or rented home, Farm or House .. or even my favorite in the 1870 Census is Whether deaf and dumb, blind, insane, or idiotic. Do you actually type Can Read: then Yes or No etc.? For each field? Where do you put that info so it looks right and shows up. 3. Do you do anything different if they are Head of House Hold vs not? 4. If you find an occupation field do then also enter that information into a new occupation event? Same thing This information sorta seems like source text, but that did not seem like the best place to put it so it would show up right in most reports. I could see how some would even put it in two places event and source
