Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Alfred F. Schwilk wrote How about making the scroll bar RED and changing it back to the default color after scrolling. This *must* be a good idea because I was going to suggest a change of colour to the scroll bar also! -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Maybe they could have text with 1 high bold 3D lettering with an arrow pointing to the the scroll bar. I'm curious, have you sent this same request to the myriad of other programs that have a scroll bar that is the same color as the default window? The scroll bar in the source writer is just as noticeble and obvious as the scroll bar in any other window that has a scroll bar. People really just need to pay attention to the environment they are working in. Alfred F. Schwilk wrote How about making the scroll bar RED and changing it back to the default color after scrolling. This *must* be a good idea because I was going to suggest a change of colour to the scroll bar also! -- Jenny M Benson -- Regards, Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Well - sorry for not spotting that little old scroll bar either, must need new glasses. ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Bernier Sent: Wednesday, 18 June 2008 9:39 PM To: Legacy Family Tree Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff Maybe they could have text with 1 high bold 3D lettering with an arrow pointing to the the scroll bar. I'm curious, have you sent this same request to the myriad of other programs that have a scroll bar that is the same color as the default window? The scroll bar in the source writer is just as noticeble and obvious as the scroll bar in any other window that has a scroll bar. People really just need to pay attention to the environment they are working in. Alfred F. Schwilk wrote How about making the scroll bar RED and changing it back to the default color after scrolling. This *must* be a good idea because I was going to suggest a change of colour to the scroll bar also! -- Jenny M Benson -- Regards, Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
May be they could have a do not show this message again checkbox in the popup window for those that do not want to scroll or see it every time. -- Al Mallory Whitby, Ontario On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 8:03 AM, Jenny M Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ron Bernier wrote Maybe they could have text with 1 high bold 3D lettering with an arrow pointing to the the scroll bar. Funnily enough, it was because of Geoff's big bright red arrow pointing to it that I spotted the scroll bar! People really just need to pay attention to the environment they are working in. Yes, of course we do. The trouble is that a lot of us people are only human and we make mistakes. I will now go away and write out one hundred times - in my best handwriting - I must be more perfect. :-) -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Jenny M Benson wrote: Ron Bernier wrote Maybe they could have text with 1 high bold 3D lettering with an arrow pointing to the the scroll bar. Funnily enough, it was because of Geoff's big bright red arrow pointing to it that I spotted the scroll bar! It's always easy to find something after you realize it's there. ;-) People really just need to pay attention to the environment they are working in. Yes, of course we do. The trouble is that a lot of us people are only human and we make mistakes. I will now go away and write out one hundred times - in my best handwriting - I must be more perfect. :-) And please be quick about it. You know, this whole thing would go so much more smoothly if humans weren't involved. Kris (There's a reason I prefer dead people.) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Ron: I agree with you about the fact that scroll bars are everywhere. It appears to me that about 80% to 90% of the hidden information in a window with scroll bars is for information only. The rest require data entry in the hidden area of the windows. An indicator to the effect that the user may need to enter this hidden data would be helpful. Scroll bars are glanced over all the time. Fred San Jose, California Ron Bernier wrote: Maybe they could have text with 1 high bold 3D lettering with an arrow pointing to the the scroll bar. I'm curious, have you sent this same request to the myriad of other programs that have a scroll bar that is the same color as the default window? The scroll bar in the source writer is just as noticeble and obvious as the scroll bar in any other window that has a scroll bar. People really just need to pay attention to the environment they are working in. Alfred F. Schwilk wrote How about making the scroll bar RED and changing it back to the default color after scrolling. This *must* be a good idea because I was going to suggest a change of colour to the scroll bar also! -- Jenny M Benson -- Regards, Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Jenny, Since you are willing to admit you are not perfect, you only need to write the statement I must be more perfect 14 times - and it doesn't have to be your best handwriting. :) On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:03:13 +0100, Jenny M Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Ron Bernier wrote Maybe they could have text with 1 high bold 3D lettering with an arrow pointing to the the scroll bar. Funnily enough, it was because of Geoff's big bright red arrow pointing to it that I spotted the scroll bar! People really just need to pay attention to the environment they are working in. Yes, of course we do. The trouble is that a lot of us people are only human and we make mistakes. I will now go away and write out one hundred times - in my best handwriting - I must be more perfect. :-) -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- Regards, Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Me too. Terrific suggestion. A popup would be very helpful. Jeff Malka Sephardic Genealogy: Discovering your Sephardic Ancestors and their World, Avotaynu, 2002 SephardicGen Resources website: http://www.sephardicgen.com/ SefardSIG: Sephardic Genealogy at JewishGen website: http://www.jewishgen.org/sefardsig/ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:34 PM Subject: Fwd: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff I think that this is a great idea. Jim Fitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your experience below has given me what I think could be a good idea. You, and others have not noticed that there were more fields to be filled in. In our Merging feature, when comparing two individuals, if there are more events than will fit on the screen, you can scroll to view them. If you attempt to merge the two people without scrolling to see all of the events, Legacy pops up a statement saying You haven't looked at all of the events yet. Would you still like to merge the people anyway? What do you think about this idea - if you click on the Save button in the SourceWriter, but there are more fields that you haven't scrolled down to see, Legacy could pop up a statement/question about the additional fields. This may prevent us from not noticing the additional fields. Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LegacyFamilyTree.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 8:01 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff Thanks Dave! Man, I know it's getting pretty late bacause I just totally missed the scroll bar on my detail screen! Now it works perfectly!! It's really too bad the fields can't all fit on one page because I'll bet you that more people than just me are going to overlook this too. It might be worth it to try to reformat this a little in a future update. Geoff, I apologize for taking up so much of your time on this because I know you are very busy with other stuff right now. I think we will all really appreciate the hard work you have put into this source writer once we get used to using the input fields. I still would love it if you could share with us some of the practices you have used in converting your sources over. Do you update a single census master source for a single county and then convert all the detail associated with that new source, or do you work through all the master sources first and then work through the myriad details attached to them? This is just something that I'm sure would benefit many of us. You could sort of bring us along on your learning curve. Anyway, I can now go to sleep and dream about tomorrow's task ahead of me in converting at least some of my census sources. The output looks good to me now! Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
The Wayback Machine isn't a reliable repository -- only a small fraction of what is/was available on the internet is archived there and generally graphics files aren't saved. A complete URL is useless if the information isn't there anymore. The date it was accessed doesn't mean anything, either, if the URL isn't any good. The current upheaval at Rootsweb is a good example -- about half of the links I've tried lately don't work -- between Ancestry's changes and people moving the sites to other hosts, but not updating links, it's a huge mess. Using the URL of an Ancestry image -- whether it's a census image or anything else -- is useless to someone who doesn't have a subscription. An online image, with few exceptions, came from somewhere -- a book, microfilm, etc. -- and you *can* go to the original to find it. A database, on the other hand, isn't really a source, it's a finding aid. Including the date a URL was accessed doesn't really mean anything -- other than the that the web page worked on that day. Patti Hobbs wrote: I'm not sure what your point is, Elizabeth. There is a difference. Online sources can be hard to find--especially with transcription errors by enumerators or by those creating databases. It's not always easy to find, just by searching on the person's name, the specific census image. So, imo, it is better to put a complete url for the digital image. However, the location of an online image does not correspond to a book on a library shelf or even a document in a record book in a courthouse. With the specific citation information for a book or a courthouse record, we can go in and go right to the original. The citation information doesn't change in those record types; their locations don't generally change. BUT that's not true of internet urls. They can change. So it would be comparable to a book having its dewey decimal number changed and being moved to another shelf on the library. If you have a date that a url was accessed you can use a way back machine http://web.archive.org/collections/web/advanced.html to access an archived edition of the page. Patti On Jun 16, 2008, at 11:25 PM, Elizabeth Richardson wrote: Well, if we are to take from the recommendations of the online book, then the location of the online image is just a repository, nothing more. Does the date I went to the library mean anything? Probably not. Elizabeth researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Geoff Rasmussen wrote I've created a screenshot for you to review. Look at the image at http://www.millenniacorp.com/Geoff/1850.jpg. Geoff, I am *so* glad you did that and indicated the scroll bar because it solved a big problem for me! I was having real difficulty with the IGI template which didn't seem to give me anywhere to add the Film No, Item No etc. I did think this was *odd* as that is such an important part of the Source to record. Once again you are my hero! -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Patti Hobbs wrote Depending on how detailed your link is, it tells you when that particular link was good. One thing I have found that I like to do is after I've searched on the name, etc. to get to a census, I will then, in another browser window, follow the path from year, state, township, page number to get to the most basic url for that image and use that for my citations--all two of them or so that I've done so far.:-) This raises a point I have been thinking about lately. Firstly, I nearly always record the homepage URL in the Master Source and the specific page URL in the Source Details. In the past I have usually recorded in Master Source the date I first accessed/recorded the Source (nearly always the same date with me) and the recorded date of each citation in Source Details. Recently I have been reviewing many of my early entries into Legacy and I am sometimes finding that a website has moved or there is a change to the URL of the specific page. In those instances, would other LUGgers change the URLs and change the accessed/recorded dates, change the URLs and leave the original dates or do nothing? My instinct is to update the URLs and change the dates because it is, in effect, as if I had accessed that Source to-day. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Okay. I don't see that it's any big deal to put it (unless it's very long) and it may work for some even if it's not perfect. I never wanted to imply that anyone *HAD* to put the full url. I was only telling about why you might want to. No guarantees, but there's something easier to possibly to shoot for if the original is not in an easy location. Also I was only addressing the question as to why we would put the access date and why that is different and more useful than an access date for a library or other, more physical repository. I think putting the full url is more useful for somethings and not so useful for others. Patti On Jun 17, 2008, at 1:15 AM, Kris wrote: Using the URL of an Ancestry image -- whether it's a census image or anything else -- is useless to someone who doesn't have a subscription. An online image, with few exceptions, came from somewhere -- a book, microfilm, etc. -- and you *can* go to the original to find it. A database, on the other hand, isn't really a source, it's a finding aid. Including the date a URL was accessed doesn't really mean anything -- other than the that the web page worked on that day Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Gail, I completely missed the access date field, too, when I started entering census data with the new SourceWriter. This morning I merged my new and improved 1880 Howell Co MO census source with my old 1880 Howell Co MO census source - and the citations do indeed appear to have lost the citation details. When in the Assigned Sources screen for an individual, I can see a little of the source detail in the Detail column, but it does not appear in the Output preview for the source. I tried a pdf report on an individual, and the citation detail was missing from that, as well. So it would appear that there is a lingering artifact or something representing the old source detail, but it's only a ghost. I would have been well advised to try this experiment on something other than the 1880 Howell Co MO census - for which I have over one hundred census households. I am busily restoring the citation details this morning, by re-looking at each of them on Ancestry. Has anyone successfully merged a new source with an old one and retained the citation detail? Janis Walker Gilmore -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 11:01 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff Thanks Dave! Man, I know it's getting pretty late bacause I just totally missed the scroll bar on my detail screen! Now it works perfectly!! It's really too bad the fields can't all fit on one page because I'll bet you that more people than just me are going to overlook this too. It might be worth it to try to reformat this a little in a future update. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Kris Patti, Thank you both for mentioning using online sources. It has stumped me what to enter for something from Heritage Quest, Rootsweb or Ancestry. I would appreciate reading how others are doing this, especially Heritage Quest. Thank you, Ann New Mexico, USA - Original Message - From: Kris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff The Wayback Machine isn't a reliable repository -- only a small fraction of what is/was available on the internet is archived there and generally graphics files aren't saved. A complete URL is useless if the information isn't there anymore. The date it was accessed doesn't mean anything, either, if the URL isn't any good. The current upheaval at Rootsweb is a good example -- about half of the links I've tried lately don't work -- between Ancestry's changes and people moving the sites to other hosts, but not updating links, it's a huge mess. Using the URL of an Ancestry image -- whether it's a census image or anything else -- is useless to someone who doesn't have a subscription. An online image, with few exceptions, came from somewhere -- a book, microfilm, etc. -- and you *can* go to the original to find it. A database, on the other hand, isn't really a source, it's a finding aid. Including the date a URL was accessed doesn't really mean anything -- other than the that the web page worked on that day. Patti Hobbs wrote: I'm not sure what your point is, Elizabeth. There is a difference. Online sources can be hard to find--especially with transcription errors by enumerators or by those creating databases. It's not always easy to find, just by searching on the person's name, the specific census image. So, imo, it is better to put a complete url for the digital image. However, the location of an online image does not correspond to a book on a library shelf or even a document in a record book in a courthouse. With the specific citation information for a book or a courthouse record, we can go in and go right to the original. The citation information doesn't change in those record types; their locations don't generally change. BUT that's not true of internet urls. They can change. So it would be comparable to a book having its dewey decimal number changed and being moved to another shelf on the library. If you have a date that a url was accessed you can use a way back machine http://web.archive.org/collections/web/advanced.html to access an archived edition of the page. Patti Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
My reason for date accessed is so I know how long ago I accessed the site, whether it is still at the same URL or not. It gives me an idea of how experienced I was at the time. As I am teaching my children how to do research, I also include who added the info. Dawn Kris wrote: The Wayback Machine isn't a reliable repository -- only a small fraction of what is/was available on the internet is archived there and generally graphics files aren't saved. A complete URL is useless if the information isn't there anymore. The date it was accessed doesn't mean anything, either, if the URL isn't any good. The current upheaval at Rootsweb is a good example -- about half of the links I've tried lately don't work -- between Ancestry's changes and people moving the sites to other hosts, but not updating links, it's a huge mess. Using the URL of an Ancestry image -- whether it's a census image or anything else -- is useless to someone who doesn't have a subscription. An online image, with few exceptions, came from somewhere -- a book, microfilm, etc. -- and you *can* go to the original to find it. A database, on the other hand, isn't really a source, it's a finding aid. Including the date a URL was accessed doesn't really mean anything -- other than the that the web page worked on that day. Patti Hobbs wrote: I'm not sure what your point is, Elizabeth. There is a difference. Online sources can be hard to find--especially with transcription errors by enumerators or by those creating databases. It's not always easy to find, just by searching on the person's name, the specific census image. So, imo, it is better to put a complete url for the digital image. However, the location of an online image does not correspond to a book on a library shelf or even a document in a record book in a courthouse. With the specific citation information for a book or a courthouse record, we can go in and go right to the original. The citation information doesn't change in those record types; their locations don't generally change. BUT that's not true of internet urls. They can change. So it would be comparable to a book having its dewey decimal number changed and being moved to another shelf on the library. If you have a date that a url was accessed you can use a way back machine http://web.archive.org/collections/web/advanced.html to access an archived edition of the page. Patti On Jun 16, 2008, at 11:25 PM, Elizabeth Richardson wrote: Well, if we are to take from the recommendations of the online book, then the location of the online image is just a repository, nothing more. Does the date I went to the library mean anything? Probably not. Elizabeth researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1505 - Release Date: 6/16/2008 7:20 AM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
If you're using a US census, the correct cite is NARA, not any URL. The online location of the image is just the library. Now, if you're looking at a transcription of the census, that's a different thing. Elizabeth researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson - Original Message - From: Patti Hobbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff I'm not sure what your point is, Elizabeth. There is a difference. Online sources can be hard to find--especially with transcription errors by enumerators or by those creating databases. It's not always easy to find, just by searching on the person's name, the specific census image. So, imo, it is better to put a complete url for the digital image. However, the location of an online image does not correspond to a book on a library shelf or even a document in a record book in a courthouse. With the specific citation information for a book or a courthouse record, we can go in and go right to the original. The citation information doesn't change in those record types; their locations don't generally change. BUT that's not true of internet urls. They can change. So it would be comparable to a book having its dewey decimal number changed and being moved to another shelf on the library. If you have a date that a url was accessed you can use a way back machine http://web.archive.org/collections/web/advanced.html to access an archived edition of the page. Patti On Jun 16, 2008, at 11:25 PM, Elizabeth Richardson wrote: Well, if we are to take from the recommendations of the online book, then the location of the online image is just a repository, nothing more. Does the date I went to the library mean anything? Probably not. Elizabeth researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson - Original Message - From: Patti Hobbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff Depending on how detailed your link is, it tells you when that particular link was good. One thing I have found that I like to do is after I've searched on the name, etc. to get to a census, I will then, in another browser window, follow the path from year, state, township, page number to get to the most basic url for that image and use that for my citations--all two of them or so that I've done so far.:-) Patti On Jun 16, 2008, at 9:55 PM, GeoSci wrote: And this is one of the things about EE and Sourcewriter that I have a problem with. Why would one need an Access date for a federal census - it will never change?!? I can see (to a point) why one might want to know if it was viewed on Ancestry.com or Heritage Quest, etc. since some are clearer on one repository than another - but why the access date?? Probably my strange way of thinking. Keith On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Janis Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gail, You are not going crazy. I have had so little time to play with this - just got v7 before going to IGHR, and am now on a family trip. When I saw your earlier message, I did remember that some other source that I entered DID have an accessed date, but I had to scroll down to it. I thought perhaps I had missed something in the census entry. But no. There is not an accessed date available for census entry (Federal, at any rate). I'm sure this is an oversight which will be corrected. In the meantime, I am using the usual work-arounds. Janis Walker Gilmore -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 10:23 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff OK, now I think I see the issue here. Either you are selecting a different master source type or somehow you are in possession of a different/better version of this same template. My template (when I select census records as the source type, followed by 1) United States 2) Federal Census Records 3) 1850 population schedule 4) online images) for the master source pops up and I fill it in. Then, my Step 3: Add Source Detail screen reads: Jurisdiction City Roll Page Dwelling No. Family No. ID of Person Surety Level Recorded Date File ID Am I going crazy here or am I missing something obvious? Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Geoff Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gail, I've created a screenshot for you to review. Look at the image at http://www.millenniacorp.com/Geoff/1850.jpg. Note that this is part of the source detail, meaning, the screen after you enter the information for the Master Source
RE: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Yes, I agree with the pop up question to give the user the option to view additional field. George in AZ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Geoff Rasmussen Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 9:59 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff Your experience below has given me what I think could be a good idea. You, and others have not noticed that there were more fields to be filled in. In our Merging feature, when comparing two individuals, if there are more events than will fit on the screen, you can scroll to view them. If you attempt to merge the two people without scrolling to see all of the events, Legacy pops up a statement saying You haven't looked at all of the events yet. Would you still like to merge the people anyway? What do you think about this idea - if you click on the Save button in the SourceWriter, but there are more fields that you haven't scrolled down to see, Legacy could pop up a statement/question about the additional fields. This may prevent us from not noticing the additional fields. Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LegacyFamilyTree.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 8:01 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff Thanks Dave! Man, I know it's getting pretty late bacause I just totally missed the scroll bar on my detail screen! Now it works perfectly!! It's really too bad the fields can't all fit on one page because I'll bet you that more people than just me are going to overlook this too. It might be worth it to try to reformat this a little in a future update. Geoff, I apologize for taking up so much of your time on this because I know you are very busy with other stuff right now. I think we will all really appreciate the hard work you have put into this source writer once we get used to using the input fields. I still would love it if you could share with us some of the practices you have used in converting your sources over. Do you update a single census master source for a single county and then convert all the detail associated with that new source, or do you work through all the master sources first and then work through the myriad details attached to them? This is just something that I'm sure would benefit many of us. You could sort of bring us along on your learning curve. Anyway, I can now go to sleep and dream about tomorrow's task ahead of me in converting at least some of my census sources. The output looks good to me now! Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Geoff, Sounds good to me BUT only if it works as you wrote; whereas the pop up will ONLY appear if the window has not been scrolled fully to the bottom, abd NOT if there are fields left blank by us (on purpose) :-) Connie -Original Message- Your experience below has given me what I think could be a good idea. You, and others have not noticed that there were more fields to be filled in. In our Merging feature, when comparing two individuals, if there are more events than will fit on the screen, you can scroll to view them. If you attempt to merge the two people without scrolling to see all of the events, Legacy pops up a statement saying You haven't looked at all of the events yet. Would you still like to merge the people anyway? What do you think about this idea - if you click on the Save button in the SourceWriter, but there are more fields that you haven't scrolled down to see, Legacy could pop up a statement/question about the additional fields. This may prevent us from not noticing the additional fields. Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LegacyFamilyTree.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Yes, Elizabeth. One does not have to provide the information for the image source. So the url is in ADDITION to the other source information. The example given on the QuickSheet for _Evidence Explained_ gives the following example: 1. 1880 U.S. census, Hampden County, Massachusetts, population schedule, Ward 7 Holyoke, Enumeration District [ED] 307, p. 24 (penned), p. 347A (stamped), dwelling 169, family 208, Leung Tung Wong; digital images, Ancestry.com (http://www.ancestry.com : accessed 22 January 2007); from National Archives microfilm publication T9, roll 535. Ancestry.com would be in italics. Patti On Jun 17, 2008, at 11:56 AM, Elizabeth Richardson wrote: If you're using a US census, the correct cite is NARA, not any URL. The online location of the image is just the library. Now, if you're looking at a transcription of the census, that's a different thing. Elizabeth researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson - Original Message - From: Patti Hobbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff I'm not sure what your point is, Elizabeth. There is a difference. Online sources can be hard to find--especially with transcription errors by enumerators or by those creating databases. It's not always easy to find, just by searching on the person's name, the specific census image. So, imo, it is better to put a complete url for the digital image. However, the location of an online image does not correspond to a book on a library shelf or even a document in a record book in a courthouse. With the specific citation information for a book or a courthouse record, we can go in and go right to the original. The citation information doesn't change in those record types; their locations don't generally change. BUT that's not true of internet urls. They can change. So it would be comparable to a book having its dewey decimal number changed and being moved to another shelf on the library. If you have a date that a url was accessed you can use a way back machine http://web.archive.org/collections/web/advanced.html to access an archived edition of the page. Patti On Jun 16, 2008, at 11:25 PM, Elizabeth Richardson wrote: Well, if we are to take from the recommendations of the online book, then the location of the online image is just a repository, nothing more. Does the date I went to the library mean anything? Probably not. Elizabeth researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson - Original Message - From: Patti Hobbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff Depending on how detailed your link is, it tells you when that particular link was good. One thing I have found that I like to do is after I've searched on the name, etc. to get to a census, I will then, in another browser window, follow the path from year, state, township, page number to get to the most basic url for that image and use that for my citations--all two of them or so that I've done so far.:-) Patti On Jun 16, 2008, at 9:55 PM, GeoSci wrote: And this is one of the things about EE and Sourcewriter that I have a problem with. Why would one need an Access date for a federal census - it will never change?!? I can see (to a point) why one might want to know if it was viewed on Ancestry.com or Heritage Quest, etc. since some are clearer on one repository than another - but why the access date?? Probably my strange way of thinking. Keith On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Janis Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gail, You are not going crazy. I have had so little time to play with this - just got v7 before going to IGHR, and am now on a family trip. When I saw your earlier message, I did remember that some other source that I entered DID have an accessed date, but I had to scroll down to it. I thought perhaps I had missed something in the census entry. But no. There is not an accessed date available for census entry (Federal, at any rate). I'm sure this is an oversight which will be corrected. In the meantime, I am using the usual work-arounds. Janis Walker Gilmore -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 10:23 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff OK, now I think I see the issue here. Either you are selecting a different master source type or somehow you are in possession of a different/better version of this same template. My template (when I select census records
Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
I Like It. On 6/17/08, Geoff Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you think about this idea - if you click on the Save button in the SourceWriter, but there are more fields that you haven't scrolled down to see, Legacy could pop up a statement/question about the additional fields. This may prevent us from not noticing the additional fields. Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LegacyFamilyTree.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 8:01 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff Thanks Dave! Man, I know it's getting pretty late bacause I just totally missed the scroll bar on my detail screen! Now it works perfectly!! It's really too bad the fields can't all fit on one page because I'll bet you that more people than just me are going to overlook this too. It might be worth it to try to reformat this a little in a future update. Geoff, I apologize for taking up so much of your time on this because I know you are very busy with other stuff right now. I think we will all really appreciate the hard work you have put into this source writer once we get used to using the input fields. I still would love it if you could share with us some of the practices you have used in converting your sources over. Do you update a single census master source for a single county and then convert all the detail associated with that new source, or do you work through all the master sources first and then work through the myriad details attached to them? This is just something that I'm sure would benefit many of us. You could sort of bring us along on your learning curve. Anyway, I can now go to sleep and dream about tomorrow's task ahead of me in converting at least some of my census sources. The output looks good to me now! Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Yes, please; and the sooner the better . *GRIN* - Original Message From: Geoff Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:59:27 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff Your experience below has given me what I think could be a good idea. You, and others have not noticed that there were more fields to be filled in. In our Merging feature, when comparing two individuals, if there are more events than will fit on the screen, you can scroll to view them. If you attempt to merge the two people without scrolling to see all of the events, Legacy pops up a statement saying You haven't looked at all of the events yet. Would you still like to merge the people anyway? What do you think about this idea - if you click on the Save button in the SourceWriter, but there are more fields that you haven't scrolled down to see, Legacy could pop up a statement/question about the additional fields. This may prevent us from not noticing the additional fields. Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Geoff: I like the idea of notification but I'm not in favor of a Pop-up window. How about making the scroll bar RED and changing it back to the default color after scrolling. This would eliminate the pop-up and also the extra click to close the pop-up down. I think this is a little more in line with color changes in your program. Fred San Jose, California Geoff Rasmussen wrote: Your experience below has given me what I think could be a good idea. You, and others have not noticed that there were more fields to be filled in. In our Merging feature, when comparing two individuals, if there are more events than will fit on the screen, you can scroll to view them. If you attempt to merge the two people without scrolling to see all of the events, Legacy pops up a statement saying You haven't looked at all of the events yet. Would you still like to merge the people anyway? What do you think about this idea - if you click on the Save button in the SourceWriter, but there are more fields that you haven't scrolled down to see, Legacy could pop up a statement/question about the additional fields. This may prevent us from not noticing the additional fields. Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LegacyFamilyTree.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
I have no problem with a pop-up window. If Fred were to say why he is not in favor of a pop-up window, I might reconsider my response. At 04:58 PM 6/17/2008, you wrote: Geoff: I like the idea of notification but I'm not in favor of a Pop-up window. How about making the scroll bar RED and changing it back to the default color after scrolling. This would eliminate the pop-up and also the extra click to close the pop-up down. I think this is a little more in line with color changes in your program. Fred San Jose, California Geoff Rasmussen wrote: Your experience below has given me what I think could be a good idea. You, and others have not noticed that there were more fields to be filled in. In our Merging feature, when comparing two individuals, if there are more events than will fit on the screen, you can scroll to view them. If you attempt to merge the two people without scrolling to see all of the events, Legacy pops up a statement saying You haven't looked at all of the events yet. Would you still like to merge the people anyway? What do you think about this idea - if you click on the Save button in the SourceWriter, but there are more fields that you haven't scrolled down to see, Legacy could pop up a statement/question about the additional fields. This may prevent us from not noticing the additional fields. Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LegacyFamilyTree.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Arnold: My main concern is that when we get familiar with the informational window with a scroll bar I might not want to scroll down to enter any more information. I would still be obligated to see the pop-up and close it to continue. Visual clues up front is always better than a hidden pop-up. Fred San Jose, California Arnold Sprague wrote: I have no problem with a pop-up window. If Fred were to say why he is not in favor of a pop-up window, I might reconsider my response. At 04:58 PM 6/17/2008, you wrote: Geoff: I like the idea of notification but I'm not in favor of a Pop-up window. How about making the scroll bar RED and changing it back to the default color after scrolling. This would eliminate the pop-up and also the extra click to close the pop-up down. I think this is a little more in line with color changes in your program. Fred San Jose, California Geoff Rasmussen wrote: Your experience below has given me what I think could be a good idea. You, and others have not noticed that there were more fields to be filled in. In our Merging feature, when comparing two individuals, if there are more events than will fit on the screen, you can scroll to view them. If you attempt to merge the two people without scrolling to see all of the events, Legacy pops up a statement saying You haven't looked at all of the events yet. Would you still like to merge the people anyway? What do you think about this idea - if you click on the Save button in the SourceWriter, but there are more fields that you haven't scrolled down to see, Legacy could pop up a statement/question about the additional fields. This may prevent us from not noticing the additional fields. Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LegacyFamilyTree.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Gail, The Date Accessed field is actually in the Source Detail screen. You may be confusing this with the Publish Date, which is in the master source. The publish date should be the date when the database was published. I actually used to split my census sources at the city level, but am now doing it at the county level because of EE's guidelines. Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LegacyFamilyTree.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:49 PM To: Legacy User Group Subject: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff Hi, well I've finally had a chance to play around with the source writer a bit and I am very pleased with the overall results! With my EE book in hand, I have been wading through the templates and starting to make some source conversions. I'm kind of surprised, though, at one aspect of the US census template. I know this has been mentioned before in our *very* active list, but I want to revisit the issue to see what the future plans might be. It seems that the formatting for the accessed date is set to be input at the master source level, rather than the citation detail level. For users who lump their census entries by county or by year (like myself), then the date will not be applicable for subsequent census findings for different families. If no date is entered in this spot, though, the result is an empty space before the closing parentheses. The order of the source output seems to allow for the blending of the order of master source components and detail components, so I am not sure why we could not give the user the choice of where to include the accessed date. Geoff, how have you been handling this issue with your own data so far?? I believe you had stated that you lump master census sources by county as well, right? I am hesitant to convert too many of my census master sources before I know how this issue may be addressed. If I have somehow missed a note saying that issue is on a list to be fixed in an upcoming update, I apologize for the duplication of notes. I truly believe this tool is going to help thousands of genealogists improve their desire and ability to cite sources more accurately and completely! Kudos to the Legacy team!! Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net P.S. Hi there to all my LUG friends who just got back from IGHR (Institute of Genealogy and Historical Research) in Birmingham, Alabama! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Hi Geoff, now I'm a little confused. On the Master Source Definition tab for a census, I see a publish date field and I see a recorded date field down at the botton of the screen in the gray part. I see that when I type something in the publish date field, it shows up in the bibliography output (and not beside the accessed date in the footnote). When I type something into the recorded date on this same screen, it does not seem to affect the output in either place. Now moving on to the source detail screen... When I click to edit the source detail, I see a place to enter a recorded date there as well. However, this too, seems to have no effect on the footnote or bibliography output. I do not see a date accessed field at all on any of the screens. I am specifically looking at a 1920 US Census template. Maybe it is on the others? Thanks for any explanations to help clear this up for me! Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Geoff Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gail, The Date Accessed field is actually in the Source Detail screen. You may be confusing this with the Publish Date, which is in the master source. The publish date should be the date when the database was published. I actually used to split my census sources at the city level, but am now doing it at the county level because of EE's guidelines. Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LegacyFamilyTree.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:49 PM To: Legacy User Group Subject: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff Hi, well I've finally had a chance to play around with the source writer a bit and I am very pleased with the overall results! With my EE book in hand, I have been wading through the templates and starting to make some source conversions. I'm kind of surprised, though, at one aspect of the US census template. I know this has been mentioned before in our *very* active list, but I want to revisit the issue to see what the future plans might be. It seems that the formatting for the accessed date is set to be input at the master source level, rather than the citation detail level. For users who lump their census entries by county or by year (like myself), then the date will not be applicable for subsequent census findings for different families. If no date is entered in this spot, though, the result is an empty space before the closing parentheses. The order of the source output seems to allow for the blending of the order of master source components and detail components, so I am not sure why we could not give the user the choice of where to include the accessed date. Geoff, how have you been handling this issue with your own data so far?? I believe you had stated that you lump master census sources by county as well, right? I am hesitant to convert too many of my census master sources before I know how this issue may be addressed. If I have somehow missed a note saying that issue is on a list to be fixed in an upcoming update, I apologize for the duplication of notes. I truly believe this tool is going to help thousands of genealogists improve their desire and ability to cite sources more accurately and completely! Kudos to the Legacy team!! Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net P.S. Hi there to all my LUG friends who just got back from IGHR (Institute of Genealogy and Historical Research) in Birmingham, Alabama! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Gail, The Recorded Date field is just a field where some people will type in the date that they either added the source. I've never used it. The Date Accessed field is in the templates for the online sources. To see it you might have to scroll down in the list a bit. Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LegacyFamilyTree.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 12:56 PM To: Legacy User Group Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff Hi Geoff, now I'm a little confused. On the Master Source Definition tab for a census, I see a publish date field and I see a recorded date field down at the botton of the screen in the gray part. I see that when I type something in the publish date field, it shows up in the bibliography output (and not beside the accessed date in the footnote). When I type something into the recorded date on this same screen, it does not seem to affect the output in either place. Now moving on to the source detail screen... When I click to edit the source detail, I see a place to enter a recorded date there as well. However, this too, seems to have no effect on the footnote or bibliography output. I do not see a date accessed field at all on any of the screens. I am specifically looking at a 1920 US Census template. Maybe it is on the others? Thanks for any explanations to help clear this up for me! Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Geoff Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gail, The Date Accessed field is actually in the Source Detail screen. You may be confusing this with the Publish Date, which is in the master source. The publish date should be the date when the database was published. I actually used to split my census sources at the city level, but am now doing it at the county level because of EE's guidelines. Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LegacyFamilyTree.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:49 PM To: Legacy User Group Subject: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff Hi, well I've finally had a chance to play around with the source writer a bit and I am very pleased with the overall results! With my EE book in hand, I have been wading through the templates and starting to make some source conversions. I'm kind of surprised, though, at one aspect of the US census template. I know this has been mentioned before in our *very* active list, but I want to revisit the issue to see what the future plans might be. It seems that the formatting for the accessed date is set to be input at the master source level, rather than the citation detail level. For users who lump their census entries by county or by year (like myself), then the date will not be applicable for subsequent census findings for different families. If no date is entered in this spot, though, the result is an empty space before the closing parentheses. The order of the source output seems to allow for the blending of the order of master source components and detail components, so I am not sure why we could not give the user the choice of where to include the accessed date. Geoff, how have you been handling this issue with your own data so far?? I believe you had stated that you lump master census sources by county as well, right? I am hesitant to convert too many of my census master sources before I know how this issue may be addressed. If I have somehow missed a note saying that issue is on a list to be fixed in an upcoming update, I apologize for the duplication of notes. I truly believe this tool is going to help thousands of genealogists improve their desire and ability to cite sources more accurately and completely! Kudos to the Legacy team!! Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net P.S. Hi there to all my LUG friends who just got back from IGHR (Institute of Genealogy and Historical Research) in Birmingham, Alabama! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Well, if I found the 1850 census *online* at Ancestry.com, wouldn't I want/need to provide an accessed date for when I found it online? There is no place in Legacy within the 1850 US Census (found online) template to provide the accessed date. The EE template for the 1850 US census found online is found on page 240 of EE. The fields shown are as follows: Census ID: 1850 U. S. Census Jurisdiction: Marion County, Iowa Schedule: population schedule Civil Division: Lake Prairie Page ID: p. 290 (stamped) Household ID: dwelling 151, family 156 Person(s): Virgil W. and Wyatt B. Earp Item Type or Format: digital image Website Title: Ancestry.com [in italics] URL (Digital Location): http://www.ancestry.com Accessed Date: accessed 16 January 2006 Credit Line: citing NARA microfilm publication M432, roll 187 Legacy's template for an online census does not contain an accessed date field as required above. It only provides a publish date field, which, unfortunately, does not appear on Legacy's output preview for the footnote. Maybe I am misunderstanding what you mean when you say that you have to scroll down for it. Are you talking about scrolling down through the source type list to select a different template than the one I have described? Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Geoff Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gail, The Recorded Date field is just a field where some people will type in the date that they either added the source. I've never used it. The Date Accessed field is in the templates for the online sources. To see it you might have to scroll down in the list a bit. Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LegacyFamilyTree.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 12:56 PM To: Legacy User Group Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff Hi Geoff, now I'm a little confused. On the Master Source Definition tab for a census, I see a publish date field and I see a recorded date field down at the botton of the screen in the gray part. I see that when I type something in the publish date field, it shows up in the bibliography output (and not beside the accessed date in the footnote). When I type something into the recorded date on this same screen, it does not seem to affect the output in either place. Now moving on to the source detail screen... When I click to edit the source detail, I see a place to enter a recorded date there as well. However, this too, seems to have no effect on the footnote or bibliography output. I do not see a date accessed field at all on any of the screens. I am specifically looking at a 1920 US Census template. Maybe it is on the others? Thanks for any explanations to help clear this up for me! Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Geoff Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gail, The Date Accessed field is actually in the Source Detail screen. You may be confusing this with the Publish Date, which is in the master source. The publish date should be the date when the database was published. I actually used to split my census sources at the city level, but am now doing it at the county level because of EE's guidelines. Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LegacyFamilyTree.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:49 PM To: Legacy User Group Subject: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff Hi, well I've finally had a chance to play around with the source writer a bit and I am very pleased with the overall results! With my EE book in hand, I have been wading through the templates and starting to make some source conversions. I'm kind of surprised, though, at one aspect of the US census template. I know this has been mentioned before in our *very* active list, but I want to revisit the issue to see what the future plans might be. It seems that the formatting for the accessed date is set to be input at the master source level, rather than the citation detail level. For users who lump their census entries by county or by year (like myself), then the date will not be applicable for subsequent census findings for different families. If no date is entered in this spot, though, the result is an empty space before the closing parentheses. The order of the source output seems to allow for the blending of the order of master source components and detail components, so I am not sure why we could not give the user the choice of where to include the accessed date. Geoff, how have you been handling this issue with your own data so far?? I believe you had stated that you lump
RE: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Gail, I've created a screenshot for you to review. Look at the image at http://www.millenniacorp.com/Geoff/1850.jpg. Note that this is part of the source detail, meaning, the screen after you enter the information for the Master Source. Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LegacyFamilyTree.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 6:45 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff Well, if I found the 1850 census *online* at Ancestry.com, wouldn't I want/need to provide an accessed date for when I found it online? There is no place in Legacy within the 1850 US Census (found online) template to provide the accessed date. The EE template for the 1850 US census found online is found on page 240 of EE. The fields shown are as follows: Census ID: 1850 U. S. Census Jurisdiction: Marion County, Iowa Schedule: population schedule Civil Division: Lake Prairie Page ID: p. 290 (stamped) Household ID: dwelling 151, family 156 Person(s): Virgil W. and Wyatt B. Earp Item Type or Format: digital image Website Title: Ancestry.com [in italics] URL (Digital Location): http://www.ancestry.com Accessed Date: accessed 16 January 2006 Credit Line: citing NARA microfilm publication M432, roll 187 Legacy's template for an online census does not contain an accessed date field as required above. It only provides a publish date field, which, unfortunately, does not appear on Legacy's output preview for the footnote. Maybe I am misunderstanding what you mean when you say that you have to scroll down for it. Are you talking about scrolling down through the source type list to select a different template than the one I have described? Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
OK, now I think I see the issue here. Either you are selecting a different master source type or somehow you are in possession of a different/better version of this same template. My template (when I select census records as the source type, followed by 1) United States 2) Federal Census Records 3) 1850 population schedule 4) online images) for the master source pops up and I fill it in. Then, my Step 3: Add Source Detail screen reads: Jurisdiction City Roll Page Dwelling No. Family No. ID of Person Surety Level Recorded Date File ID Am I going crazy here or am I missing something obvious? Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Geoff Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gail, I've created a screenshot for you to review. Look at the image at http://www.millenniacorp.com/Geoff/1850.jpg. Note that this is part of the source detail, meaning, the screen after you enter the information for the Master Source. Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LegacyFamilyTree.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 6:45 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff Well, if I found the 1850 census *online* at Ancestry.com, wouldn't I want/need to provide an accessed date for when I found it online? There is no place in Legacy within the 1850 US Census (found online) template to provide the accessed date. The EE template for the 1850 US census found online is found on page 240 of EE. The fields shown are as follows: Census ID: 1850 U. S. Census Jurisdiction: Marion County, Iowa Schedule: population schedule Civil Division: Lake Prairie Page ID: p. 290 (stamped) Household ID: dwelling 151, family 156 Person(s): Virgil W. and Wyatt B. Earp Item Type or Format: digital image Website Title: Ancestry.com [in italics] URL (Digital Location): http://www.ancestry.com Accessed Date: accessed 16 January 2006 Credit Line: citing NARA microfilm publication M432, roll 187 Legacy's template for an online census does not contain an accessed date field as required above. It only provides a publish date field, which, unfortunately, does not appear on Legacy's output preview for the footnote. Maybe I am misunderstanding what you mean when you say that you have to scroll down for it. Are you talking about scrolling down through the source type list to select a different template than the one I have described? Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Gail, You are not going crazy. I have had so little time to play with this - just got v7 before going to IGHR, and am now on a family trip. When I saw your earlier message, I did remember that some other source that I entered DID have an accessed date, but I had to scroll down to it. I thought perhaps I had missed something in the census entry. But no. There is not an accessed date available for census entry (Federal, at any rate). I'm sure this is an oversight which will be corrected. In the meantime, I am using the usual work-arounds. Janis Walker Gilmore -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 10:23 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff OK, now I think I see the issue here. Either you are selecting a different master source type or somehow you are in possession of a different/better version of this same template. My template (when I select census records as the source type, followed by 1) United States 2) Federal Census Records 3) 1850 population schedule 4) online images) for the master source pops up and I fill it in. Then, my Step 3: Add Source Detail screen reads: Jurisdiction City Roll Page Dwelling No. Family No. ID of Person Surety Level Recorded Date File ID Am I going crazy here or am I missing something obvious? Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Geoff Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gail, I've created a screenshot for you to review. Look at the image at http://www.millenniacorp.com/Geoff/1850.jpg. Note that this is part of the source detail, meaning, the screen after you enter the information for the Master Source. Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LegacyFamilyTree.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 6:45 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff Well, if I found the 1850 census *online* at Ancestry.com, wouldn't I want/need to provide an accessed date for when I found it online? There is no place in Legacy within the 1850 US Census (found online) template to provide the accessed date. The EE template for the 1850 US census found online is found on page 240 of EE. The fields shown are as follows: Census ID: 1850 U. S. Census Jurisdiction: Marion County, Iowa Schedule: population schedule Civil Division: Lake Prairie Page ID: p. 290 (stamped) Household ID: dwelling 151, family 156 Person(s): Virgil W. and Wyatt B. Earp Item Type or Format: digital image Website Title: Ancestry.com [in italics] URL (Digital Location): http://www.ancestry.com Accessed Date: accessed 16 January 2006 Credit Line: citing NARA microfilm publication M432, roll 187 Legacy's template for an online census does not contain an accessed date field as required above. It only provides a publish date field, which, unfortunately, does not appear on Legacy's output preview for the footnote. Maybe I am misunderstanding what you mean when you say that you have to scroll down for it. Are you talking about scrolling down through the source type list to select a different template than the one I have described? Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Scroll down and it's there. See Geoff's right hand red arrow in the screenshot Regards, Dave (NZ). From: Janis Gilmore Sent: Tue 17/06/2008 14:34 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff Gail, You are not going crazy. I have had so little time to play with this - just got v7 before going to IGHR, and am now on a family trip. When I saw your earlier message, I did remember that some other source that I entered DID have an accessed date, but I had to scroll down to it. I thought perhaps I had missed something in the census entry. But no. There is not an accessed date available for census entry (Federal, at any rate). I'm sure this is an oversight which will be corrected. In the meantime, I am using the usual work-arounds. Janis Walker Gilmore -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 10:23 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff OK, now I think I see the issue here. Either you are selecting a different master source type or somehow you are in possession of a different/better version of this same template. My template (when I select census records as the source type, followed by 1) United States 2) Federal Census Records 3) 1850 population schedule 4) online images) for the master source pops up and I fill it in. Then, my Step 3: Add Source Detail screen reads: Jurisdiction City Roll Page Dwelling No. Family No. ID of Person Surety Level Recorded Date File ID Am I going crazy here or am I missing something obvious? Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Gail and Others, In Step 3 of the 1850 Federal Census template you have to scroll down...The box where you can enter the Accessed Date IS there. Tom Herson Ithaca, NY - Original Message - From: Janis Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 10:34 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff Gail, You are not going crazy. I have had so little time to play with this - just got v7 before going to IGHR, and am now on a family trip. When I saw your earlier message, I did remember that some other source that I entered DID have an accessed date, but I had to scroll down to it. I thought perhaps I had missed something in the census entry. But no. There is not an accessed date available for census entry (Federal, at any rate). I'm sure this is an oversight which will be corrected. In the meantime, I am using the usual work-arounds. Janis Walker Gilmore -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 10:23 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff OK, now I think I see the issue here. Either you are selecting a different master source type or somehow you are in possession of a different/better version of this same template. My template (when I select census records as the source type, followed by 1) United States 2) Federal Census Records 3) 1850 population schedule 4) online images) for the master source pops up and I fill it in. Then, my Step 3: Add Source Detail screen reads: Jurisdiction City Roll Page Dwelling No. Family No. ID of Person Surety Level Recorded Date File ID Am I going crazy here or am I missing something obvious? Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Geoff Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gail, I've created a screenshot for you to review. Look at the image at http://www.millenniacorp.com/Geoff/1850.jpg. Note that this is part of the source detail, meaning, the screen after you enter the information for the Master Source. Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LegacyFamilyTree.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 6:45 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff Well, if I found the 1850 census *online* at Ancestry.com, wouldn't I want/need to provide an accessed date for when I found it online? There is no place in Legacy within the 1850 US Census (found online) template to provide the accessed date. The EE template for the 1850 US census found online is found on page 240 of EE. The fields shown are as follows: Census ID: 1850 U. S. Census Jurisdiction: Marion County, Iowa Schedule: population schedule Civil Division: Lake Prairie Page ID: p. 290 (stamped) Household ID: dwelling 151, family 156 Person(s): Virgil W. and Wyatt B. Earp Item Type or Format: digital image Website Title: Ancestry.com [in italics] URL (Digital Location): http://www.ancestry.com Accessed Date: accessed 16 January 2006 Credit Line: citing NARA microfilm publication M432, roll 187 Legacy's template for an online census does not contain an accessed date field as required above. It only provides a publish date field, which, unfortunately, does not appear on Legacy's output preview for the footnote. Maybe I am misunderstanding what you mean when you say that you have to scroll down for it. Are you talking about scrolling down through the source type list to select a different template than the one I have described? Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online
Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Gail, Look to the right of the data entry fields for Jurisdiction, Roll, Page, etc. There should be a scroll bar. Click on the bottom of the scroll bar and Date Accessed will appear. (At least it does for me.) --- Gail Nestor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, now I think I see the issue here. Either you are selecting a different master source type or somehow you are in possession of a different/better version of this same template. My template (when I select census records as the source type, followed by 1) United States 2) Federal Census Records 3) 1850 population schedule 4) online images) for the master source pops up and I fill it in. Then, my Step 3: Add Source Detail screen reads: Jurisdiction City Roll Page Dwelling No. Family No. ID of Person Surety Level Recorded Date File ID Am I going crazy here or am I missing something obvious? Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
The accessed date field is in the Citation Details portion since it will change for each citation. However, Legacy inserts the accessed date information into the same parentheses as the URL. Neat. Bill Bill Bienia, PLCGS www.CobblestoneLegacies.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janis Gilmore Sent: 16-Jun-08 10:34 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff Gail, You are not going crazy. I have had so little time to play with this - just got v7 before going to IGHR, and am now on a family trip. When I saw your earlier message, I did remember that some other source that I entered DID have an accessed date, but I had to scroll down to it. I thought perhaps I had missed something in the census entry. But no. There is not an accessed date available for census entry (Federal, at any rate). I'm sure this is an oversight which will be corrected. In the meantime, I am using the usual work-arounds. Janis Walker Gilmore -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 10:23 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff OK, now I think I see the issue here. Either you are selecting a different master source type or somehow you are in possession of a different/better version of this same template. My template (when I select census records as the source type, followed by 1) United States 2) Federal Census Records 3) 1850 population schedule 4) online images) for the master source pops up and I fill it in. Then, my Step 3: Add Source Detail screen reads: Jurisdiction City Roll Page Dwelling No. Family No. ID of Person Surety Level Recorded Date File ID Am I going crazy here or am I missing something obvious? Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Geoff Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gail, I've created a screenshot for you to review. Look at the image at http://www.millenniacorp.com/Geoff/1850.jpg. Note that this is part of the source detail, meaning, the screen after you enter the information for the Master Source. Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LegacyFamilyTree.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 6:45 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff Well, if I found the 1850 census *online* at Ancestry.com, wouldn't I want/need to provide an accessed date for when I found it online? There is no place in Legacy within the 1850 US Census (found online) template to provide the accessed date. The EE template for the 1850 US census found online is found on page 240 of EE. The fields shown are as follows: Census ID: 1850 U. S. Census Jurisdiction: Marion County, Iowa Schedule: population schedule Civil Division: Lake Prairie Page ID: p. 290 (stamped) Household ID: dwelling 151, family 156 Person(s): Virgil W. and Wyatt B. Earp Item Type or Format: digital image Website Title: Ancestry.com [in italics] URL (Digital Location): http://www.ancestry.com Accessed Date: accessed 16 January 2006 Credit Line: citing NARA microfilm publication M432, roll 187 Legacy's template for an online census does not contain an accessed date field as required above. It only provides a publish date field, which, unfortunately, does not appear on Legacy's output preview for the footnote. Maybe I am misunderstanding what you mean when you say that you have to scroll down for it. Are you talking about scrolling down through the source type list to select a different template than the one I have described? Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http
Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
And this is one of the things about EE and Sourcewriter that I have a problem with. Why would one need an Access date for a federal census - it will never change?!? I can see (to a point) why one might want to know if it was viewed on Ancestry.com or Heritage Quest, etc. since some are clearer on one repository than another - but why the access date?? Probably my strange way of thinking. Keith On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Janis Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gail, You are not going crazy. I have had so little time to play with this - just got v7 before going to IGHR, and am now on a family trip. When I saw your earlier message, I did remember that some other source that I entered DID have an accessed date, but I had to scroll down to it. I thought perhaps I had missed something in the census entry. But no. There is not an accessed date available for census entry (Federal, at any rate). I'm sure this is an oversight which will be corrected. In the meantime, I am using the usual work-arounds. Janis Walker Gilmore -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 10:23 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff OK, now I think I see the issue here. Either you are selecting a different master source type or somehow you are in possession of a different/better version of this same template. My template (when I select census records as the source type, followed by 1) United States 2) Federal Census Records 3) 1850 population schedule 4) online images) for the master source pops up and I fill it in. Then, my Step 3: Add Source Detail screen reads: Jurisdiction City Roll Page Dwelling No. Family No. ID of Person Surety Level Recorded Date File ID Am I going crazy here or am I missing something obvious? Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Geoff Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gail, I've created a screenshot for you to review. Look at the image at http://www.millenniacorp.com/Geoff/1850.jpg. Note that this is part of the source detail, meaning, the screen after you enter the information for the Master Source. Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LegacyFamilyTree.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 6:45 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff Well, if I found the 1850 census *online* at Ancestry.com, wouldn't I want/need to provide an accessed date for when I found it online? There is no place in Legacy within the 1850 US Census (found online) template to provide the accessed date. The EE template for the 1850 US census found online is found on page 240 of EE. The fields shown are as follows: Census ID: 1850 U. S. Census Jurisdiction: Marion County, Iowa Schedule: population schedule Civil Division: Lake Prairie Page ID: p. 290 (stamped) Household ID: dwelling 151, family 156 Person(s): Virgil W. and Wyatt B. Earp Item Type or Format: digital image Website Title: Ancestry.com [in italics] URL (Digital Location): http://www.ancestry.com Accessed Date: accessed 16 January 2006 Credit Line: citing NARA microfilm publication M432, roll 187 Legacy's template for an online census does not contain an accessed date field as required above. It only provides a publish date field, which, unfortunately, does not appear on Legacy's output preview for the footnote. Maybe I am misunderstanding what you mean when you say that you have to scroll down for it. Are you talking about scrolling down through the source type list to select a different template than the one I have described? Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- Surnames: McKain, Horn
Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Thanks Dave! Man, I know it's getting pretty late bacause I just totally missed the scroll bar on my detail screen! Now it works perfectly!! It's really too bad the fields can't all fit on one page because I'll bet you that more people than just me are going to overlook this too. It might be worth it to try to reformat this a little in a future update. Geoff, I apologize for taking up so much of your time on this because I know you are very busy with other stuff right now. I think we will all really appreciate the hard work you have put into this source writer once we get used to using the input fields. I still would love it if you could share with us some of the practices you have used in converting your sources over. Do you update a single census master source for a single county and then convert all the detail associated with that new source, or do you work through all the master sources first and then work through the myriad details attached to them? This is just something that I'm sure would benefit many of us. You could sort of bring us along on your learning curve. Anyway, I can now go to sleep and dream about tomorrow's task ahead of me in converting at least some of my census sources. The output looks good to me now! Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:42 PM, david [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scroll down and it's there. See Geoff's right hand red arrow in the screenshot Regards, Dave (NZ). From: Janis Gilmore Sent: Tue 17/06/2008 14:34 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff Gail, You are not going crazy. I have had so little time to play with this - just got v7 before going to IGHR, and am now on a family trip. When I saw your earlier message, I did remember that some other source that I entered DID have an accessed date, but I had to scroll down to it. I thought perhaps I had missed something in the census entry. But no. There is not an accessed date available for census entry (Federal, at any rate). I'm sure this is an oversight which will be corrected. In the meantime, I am using the usual work-arounds. Janis Walker Gilmore -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 10:23 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff OK, now I think I see the issue here. Either you are selecting a different master source type or somehow you are in possession of a different/better version of this same template. My template (when I select census records as the source type, followed by 1) United States 2) Federal Census Records 3) 1850 population schedule 4) online images) for the master source pops up and I fill it in. Then, my Step 3: Add Source Detail screen reads: Jurisdiction City Roll Page Dwelling No. Family No. ID of Person Surety Level Recorded Date File ID Am I going crazy here or am I missing something obvious? Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
This is the one I have selected: Census Records United States Federal census records 1850 population schedule Online images Step 2: fill in the master source Step 3's fields: Jurisdiction city Roll Page Dwelling no Family no ID of person Date Accessed (must click once on the down arrow to get to this) Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LegacyFamilyTree.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 7:23 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff OK, now I think I see the issue here. Either you are selecting a different master source type or somehow you are in possession of a different/better version of this same template. My template (when I select census records as the source type, followed by 1) United States 2) Federal Census Records 3) 1850 population schedule 4) online images) for the master source pops up and I fill it in. Then, my Step 3: Add Source Detail screen reads: Jurisdiction City Roll Page Dwelling No. Family No. ID of Person Surety Level Recorded Date File ID Am I going crazy here or am I missing something obvious? Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Geoff Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gail, I've created a screenshot for you to review. Look at the image at http://www.millenniacorp.com/Geoff/1850.jpg. Note that this is part of the source detail, meaning, the screen after you enter the information for the Master Source. Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LegacyFamilyTree.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 6:45 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff Well, if I found the 1850 census *online* at Ancestry.com, wouldn't I want/need to provide an accessed date for when I found it online? There is no place in Legacy within the 1850 US Census (found online) template to provide the accessed date. The EE template for the 1850 US census found online is found on page 240 of EE. The fields shown are as follows: Census ID: 1850 U. S. Census Jurisdiction: Marion County, Iowa Schedule: population schedule Civil Division: Lake Prairie Page ID: p. 290 (stamped) Household ID: dwelling 151, family 156 Person(s): Virgil W. and Wyatt B. Earp Item Type or Format: digital image Website Title: Ancestry.com [in italics] URL (Digital Location): http://www.ancestry.com Accessed Date: accessed 16 January 2006 Credit Line: citing NARA microfilm publication M432, roll 187 Legacy's template for an online census does not contain an accessed date field as required above. It only provides a publish date field, which, unfortunately, does not appear on Legacy's output preview for the footnote. Maybe I am misunderstanding what you mean when you say that you have to scroll down for it. Are you talking about scrolling down through the source type list to select a different template than the one I have described? Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Geoff: I second Gail's request. Tips about converting sources (while waiting for the tool) would certainly be welcome. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 8:01 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff Thanks Dave! Man, I know it's getting pretty late bacause I just totally missed the scroll bar on my detail screen! Now it works perfectly!! It's really too bad the fields can't all fit on one page because I'll bet you that more people than just me are going to overlook this too. It might be worth it to try to reformat this a little in a future update. Geoff, I apologize for taking up so much of your time on this because I know you are very busy with other stuff right now. I think we will all really appreciate the hard work you have put into this source writer once we get used to using the input fields. I still would love it if you could share with us some of the practices you have used in converting your sources over. Do you update a single census master source for a single county and then convert all the detail associated with that new source, or do you work through all the master sources first and then work through the myriad details attached to them? This is just something that I'm sure would benefit many of us. You could sort of bring us along on your learning curve. Anyway, I can now go to sleep and dream about tomorrow's task ahead of me in converting at least some of my census sources. The output looks good to me now! Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Depending on how detailed your link is, it tells you when that particular link was good. One thing I have found that I like to do is after I've searched on the name, etc. to get to a census, I will then, in another browser window, follow the path from year, state, township, page number to get to the most basic url for that image and use that for my citations--all two of them or so that I've done so far.:-) Patti On Jun 16, 2008, at 9:55 PM, GeoSci wrote: And this is one of the things about EE and Sourcewriter that I have a problem with. Why would one need an Access date for a federal census - it will never change?!? I can see (to a point) why one might want to know if it was viewed on Ancestry.com or Heritage Quest, etc. since some are clearer on one repository than another - but why the access date?? Probably my strange way of thinking. Keith On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Janis Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gail, You are not going crazy. I have had so little time to play with this - just got v7 before going to IGHR, and am now on a family trip. When I saw your earlier message, I did remember that some other source that I entered DID have an accessed date, but I had to scroll down to it. I thought perhaps I had missed something in the census entry. But no. There is not an accessed date available for census entry (Federal, at any rate). I'm sure this is an oversight which will be corrected. In the meantime, I am using the usual work-arounds. Janis Walker Gilmore -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 10:23 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff OK, now I think I see the issue here. Either you are selecting a different master source type or somehow you are in possession of a different/better version of this same template. My template (when I select census records as the source type, followed by 1) United States 2) Federal Census Records 3) 1850 population schedule 4) online images) for the master source pops up and I fill it in. Then, my Step 3: Add Source Detail screen reads: Jurisdiction City Roll Page Dwelling No. Family No. ID of Person Surety Level Recorded Date File ID Am I going crazy here or am I missing something obvious? Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Geoff Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gail, I've created a screenshot for you to review. Look at the image at http://www.millenniacorp.com/Geoff/1850.jpg. Note that this is part of the source detail, meaning, the screen after you enter the information for the Master Source. Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LegacyFamilyTree.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 6:45 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff Well, if I found the 1850 census *online* at Ancestry.com, wouldn't I want/need to provide an accessed date for when I found it online? There is no place in Legacy within the 1850 US Census (found online) template to provide the accessed date. The EE template for the 1850 US census found online is found on page 240 of EE. The fields shown are as follows: Census ID: 1850 U. S. Census Jurisdiction: Marion County, Iowa Schedule: population schedule Civil Division: Lake Prairie Page ID: p. 290 (stamped) Household ID: dwelling 151, family 156 Person(s): Virgil W. and Wyatt B. Earp Item Type or Format: digital image Website Title: Ancestry.com [in italics] URL (Digital Location): http://www.ancestry.com Accessed Date: accessed 16 January 2006 Credit Line: citing NARA microfilm publication M432, roll 187 Legacy's template for an online census does not contain an accessed date field as required above. It only provides a publish date field, which, unfortunately, does not appear on Legacy's output preview for the footnote. Maybe I am misunderstanding what you mean when you say that you have to scroll down for it. Are you talking about scrolling down through the source type list to select a different template than the one I have described? Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Well, if we are to take from the recommendations of the online book, then the location of the online image is just a repository, nothing more. Does the date I went to the library mean anything? Probably not. Elizabeth researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson - Original Message - From: Patti Hobbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff Depending on how detailed your link is, it tells you when that particular link was good. One thing I have found that I like to do is after I've searched on the name, etc. to get to a census, I will then, in another browser window, follow the path from year, state, township, page number to get to the most basic url for that image and use that for my citations--all two of them or so that I've done so far.:-) Patti On Jun 16, 2008, at 9:55 PM, GeoSci wrote: And this is one of the things about EE and Sourcewriter that I have a problem with. Why would one need an Access date for a federal census - it will never change?!? I can see (to a point) why one might want to know if it was viewed on Ancestry.com or Heritage Quest, etc. since some are clearer on one repository than another - but why the access date?? Probably my strange way of thinking. Keith On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Janis Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gail, You are not going crazy. I have had so little time to play with this - just got v7 before going to IGHR, and am now on a family trip. When I saw your earlier message, I did remember that some other source that I entered DID have an accessed date, but I had to scroll down to it. I thought perhaps I had missed something in the census entry. But no. There is not an accessed date available for census entry (Federal, at any rate). I'm sure this is an oversight which will be corrected. In the meantime, I am using the usual work-arounds. Janis Walker Gilmore -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 10:23 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff OK, now I think I see the issue here. Either you are selecting a different master source type or somehow you are in possession of a different/better version of this same template. My template (when I select census records as the source type, followed by 1) United States 2) Federal Census Records 3) 1850 population schedule 4) online images) for the master source pops up and I fill it in. Then, my Step 3: Add Source Detail screen reads: Jurisdiction City Roll Page Dwelling No. Family No. ID of Person Surety Level Recorded Date File ID Am I going crazy here or am I missing something obvious? Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Geoff Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gail, I've created a screenshot for you to review. Look at the image at http://www.millenniacorp.com/Geoff/1850.jpg. Note that this is part of the source detail, meaning, the screen after you enter the information for the Master Source. Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LegacyFamilyTree.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 6:45 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff Well, if I found the 1850 census *online* at Ancestry.com, wouldn't I want/need to provide an accessed date for when I found it online? There is no place in Legacy within the 1850 US Census (found online) template to provide the accessed date. The EE template for the 1850 US census found online is found on page 240 of EE. The fields shown are as follows: Census ID: 1850 U. S. Census Jurisdiction: Marion County, Iowa Schedule: population schedule Civil Division: Lake Prairie Page ID: p. 290 (stamped) Household ID: dwelling 151, family 156 Person(s): Virgil W. and Wyatt B. Earp Item Type or Format: digital image Website Title: Ancestry.com [in italics] URL (Digital Location): http://www.ancestry.com Accessed Date: accessed 16 January 2006 Credit Line: citing NARA microfilm publication M432, roll 187 Legacy's template for an online census does not contain an accessed date field as required above. It only provides a publish date field, which, unfortunately, does not appear on Legacy's output preview for the footnote. Maybe I am misunderstanding what you mean when you say that you have to scroll down for it. Are you talking about scrolling down through the source type list to select a different template than the one I have described? Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net Legacy
Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
I'm not sure what your point is, Elizabeth. There is a difference. Online sources can be hard to find--especially with transcription errors by enumerators or by those creating databases. It's not always easy to find, just by searching on the person's name, the specific census image. So, imo, it is better to put a complete url for the digital image. However, the location of an online image does not correspond to a book on a library shelf or even a document in a record book in a courthouse. With the specific citation information for a book or a courthouse record, we can go in and go right to the original. The citation information doesn't change in those record types; their locations don't generally change. BUT that's not true of internet urls. They can change. So it would be comparable to a book having its dewey decimal number changed and being moved to another shelf on the library. If you have a date that a url was accessed you can use a way back machine http://web.archive.org/collections/web/advanced.html to access an archived edition of the page. Patti On Jun 16, 2008, at 11:25 PM, Elizabeth Richardson wrote: Well, if we are to take from the recommendations of the online book, then the location of the online image is just a repository, nothing more. Does the date I went to the library mean anything? Probably not. Elizabeth researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson - Original Message - From: Patti Hobbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff Depending on how detailed your link is, it tells you when that particular link was good. One thing I have found that I like to do is after I've searched on the name, etc. to get to a census, I will then, in another browser window, follow the path from year, state, township, page number to get to the most basic url for that image and use that for my citations--all two of them or so that I've done so far.:-) Patti On Jun 16, 2008, at 9:55 PM, GeoSci wrote: And this is one of the things about EE and Sourcewriter that I have a problem with. Why would one need an Access date for a federal census - it will never change?!? I can see (to a point) why one might want to know if it was viewed on Ancestry.com or Heritage Quest, etc. since some are clearer on one repository than another - but why the access date?? Probably my strange way of thinking. Keith On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Janis Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gail, You are not going crazy. I have had so little time to play with this - just got v7 before going to IGHR, and am now on a family trip. When I saw your earlier message, I did remember that some other source that I entered DID have an accessed date, but I had to scroll down to it. I thought perhaps I had missed something in the census entry. But no. There is not an accessed date available for census entry (Federal, at any rate). I'm sure this is an oversight which will be corrected. In the meantime, I am using the usual work-arounds. Janis Walker Gilmore -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 10:23 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff OK, now I think I see the issue here. Either you are selecting a different master source type or somehow you are in possession of a different/better version of this same template. My template (when I select census records as the source type, followed by 1) United States 2) Federal Census Records 3) 1850 population schedule 4) online images) for the master source pops up and I fill it in. Then, my Step 3: Add Source Detail screen reads: Jurisdiction City Roll Page Dwelling No. Family No. ID of Person Surety Level Recorded Date File ID Am I going crazy here or am I missing something obvious? Gail Rich Nestor Smyrna, Georgia www.roots2buds.net On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Geoff Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gail, I've created a screenshot for you to review. Look at the image at http://www.millenniacorp.com/Geoff/1850.jpg. Note that this is part of the source detail, meaning, the screen after you enter the information for the Master Source. Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LegacyFamilyTree.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 6:45 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff Well, if I found the 1850 census *online* at Ancestry.com, wouldn't I want/need to provide an accessed date
