Re: [LegacyUG] What name to use?

2012-02-14 Thread cranberryfrog
That's what I do.  I put  the surname in.

michele

-Original Message-
From: Mike Fry
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 10:08 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] What name to use?

On 2012/02/14 16:36, Jane Sarles wrote:
 When I have an ancestor, whose given name I do not know, but for whom I
 have
 information to create and event,  I should like to know what other people
 use
 for a given name.  I have his son's name, but no clue as to his.  Is it
 best to
 leave it blank, or give him a term such as unknown, father,
 progenitor, etc.?

If you know his son's name then you should, all things being equal, know the
father's surname. So, create the father without any forenames, just the
surname.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg


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Re: [LegacyUG] Proper placement of place names

2012-02-11 Thread cranberryfrog
MessageI do not put “of” in the birth field (many people do).  The reason I 
don’t is that if I found the person in a particular place and time (let’s say a 
census record) that location will be recorded.  I can see that a glance 
everywhere  a person has been.  I don’t need to use “of”   If I figure out 
where he was born then I will record it.
michele

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Re: [LegacyUG] Proper placement of place names

2012-02-11 Thread cranberryfrog
MessageYes, as an event.  The only people in my file that don’t have something 
recorded in their birth field are those that died pre 1850.  I uses census 
records to at least get the state.

michele

From: Carl Cox
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 12:47 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Proper placement of place names

The reason I don’t is that if I found the person in a particular place and 
time (let’s say a census record) that location will be recorded. 

I assume that you put that as an event? That leaves the birth place blank.

Carl



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Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

2012-02-05 Thread cranberryfrog
You should record the location as it was at the time of the event unless you
keep your research completely to yourself and never share it with anyone.
If you share the info in any way, shape or form, you really should conform
to how everyone else does it or it will only cause confusion :) :) :)

Michele



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Re: [LegacyUG] the value of the to-do list

2012-01-29 Thread cranberryfrog
Yes!  The clipboard works for the to-do list.  Let’s say I need 10 marriage 
licenses from the Marion County, MS courthouse.  Since the to-do will be 
attached to specific people, the info within the to-do can be generic wording 
(“obtain marriage license) and then you can attach it each person.

Yes, you can make separate to-dos for each online site you want to use.  If you 
are looking for something specific, you can still use the clipboard and then 
just change the locality/repository.  It will save you time.

It may seem like a lot of work but when you look at this person again in 6 
months you won’t remember what you have checked and what you haven’t.  You can 
filter by CLOSED to-dos and you will have a list of everything you have already 
done.

michele

From: aparsons
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:09 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] the value of the to-do list

Michele,
Thanks for posting the examples. When the To Do is for more than one person, 
such as a census for 7 people, do you put the to do on the clipboard and put 
the same to do for all 7? (connect one location to several people)
When the To Do is for one person, such as find death info, and you want to look 
at several  online sites do you make separate to do's for each site? (connect 
one person to several locations)
Ann


On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Pauline B. Cramer crame...@comcast.net wrote:

  Thank you Michele.  Your examples are extremely helpful.  And you remind me 
that I have not used WorldCat since 2009.Â
  Pauline

  On 1/28/2012 9:19 AM, cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote:
Here ya go!  I wish I could do screen shots but I will try
Â
Here is an actual one where I just heard back from a courthouse.
Â
CATEGORY – Marriage Certificate
LOCALITY – Lamar Co, MS Courthouse
TASK NEEDING TO BE DONE – Obtain Wash and Annie’s marriage license
OPEN DATE – 12 Jan 2012
REMINDER DATE – 12 Feb 2012 (I usually put a month)
CLOSE DATE: – 27 Jan 2012
Â
TASK DESCRIPTION -
Request letter sent 12 Feb 2012.
Â
RESULTS -
Lamar County responded back that they don’t have a record of this 
marriage.  A new request letter will be sent  to Marion Co.
Â
REPOSITORY -
Lamar County Circuit Court
403 Main Street
Purvis, MS 39475
(601) 794-3470
www.lamarcounty.com
Â
Â
Â
Here is one where I found a book I needed on World Cat.  It happened to be 
at the Reese Library (Augusta State Univ) which is near me.  I add these in 
and then when I ready to go to the Reese Library I put a filter on so that only 
the open Reese Library to-dos will show up and then I can print a list.
Â
Â
CATEGORY – Will
LOCALITY – Reese Library
TASK NEEDING TO BE DONE – Look for Elizabeth Lee’s will abstract
OPEN DATE – 17 JUL 2011
REMINDER DATE – 17 AUG 2011
CLOSED DATE – [I haven’t gone yet!]
Â
TASK DESCRIPTION -
Check the book
Title: Abstracts of the wills of Edgecombe County, North Carolina, 1733-1856
Author: Ruth Smith Williams; Margarette Glenn Griffin
Publisher Rocky Mount, N.C. : J.W. Watson, 1980
Â
NOTE: I just copied and pasted the book info from World Cat, I didn’t 
have to type it! Â
Â
RESULTS : [I haven’t gone yet]
Â
REPOSITORY:
Reese Library (Augusta State University)
2500 Walton Way
Augusta, GA 30904
(706) 667-4904
www.aug.edu/~liblsc/Welcome.html
spc...@aug.edu
Â
Â
NOTE: I only have to put in the repository ONCE.  From then on you can 
pick it from a drop down list.
Â
Right now I have EIGHT entries for the Reese Library.  I will print those 
out before I go.  You can sort/filter your to-do list many ways.  I also have 
several to-dos for the the Richmond County Courthouse.  I can sort by that and 
then take the list with me.   The list that prints out has a place where you 
can write notes which is very handy.
Â
You can make GENERAL entries or SPECIFIC to an individual entries.  A 
general entry might be something like “look for all Martins in the Augusta 
City Cemetery†and your locality/repository would be Find-A-Grave.
Â
A specific one would be looking for James Elexander Simmons’ death 
certificate.
Â
Â
I hope this helps
Â
michele
Â
Â
Â
From: Paula Ryburn
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 11:29 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] the value of the to-do list
Â
Michele, Would you mind too terribly sending us an example of how you enter 
one to-do list item?  What you put into each field?  Then what report you run 
to take with you to the library.  That would help me immensely.  I have 
started using to-do items, but would definitely like to make sure I don't show 
up at a library without my full list of things to find.  Thanks.
Â
--Paula in Texas
  

Re: [LegacyUG] the value of the to-do list

2012-01-28 Thread cranberryfrog
Here ya go!  I wish I could do screen shots but I will try

Here is an actual one where I just heard back from a courthouse.

CATEGORY – Marriage Certificate
LOCALITY – Lamar Co, MS Courthouse
TASK NEEDING TO BE DONE – Obtain Wash and Annie’s marriage license
OPEN DATE – 12 Jan 2012
REMINDER DATE – 12 Feb 2012 (I usually put a month)
CLOSE DATE: – 27 Jan 2012

TASK DESCRIPTION -
Request letter sent 12 Feb 2012.

RESULTS -
Lamar County responded back that they don’t have a record of this marriage.  A 
new request letter will be sent  to Marion Co.

REPOSITORY -
Lamar County Circuit Court
403 Main Street
Purvis, MS 39475
(601) 794-3470
www.lamarcounty.com



Here is one where I found a book I needed on World Cat.  It happened to be at 
the Reese Library (Augusta State Univ) which is near me.  I add these in and 
then when I ready to go to the Reese Library I put a filter on so that only the 
open Reese Library to-dos will show up and then I can print a list.


CATEGORY – Will
LOCALITY – Reese Library
TASK NEEDING TO BE DONE – Look for Elizabeth Lee’s will abstract
OPEN DATE – 17 JUL 2011
REMINDER DATE – 17 AUG 2011
CLOSED DATE – [I haven’t gone yet!]

TASK DESCRIPTION -
Check the book
Title: Abstracts of the wills of Edgecombe County, North Carolina, 1733-1856
Author: Ruth Smith Williams; Margarette Glenn Griffin
Publisher Rocky Mount, N.C. : J.W. Watson, 1980

NOTE: I just copied and pasted the book info from World Cat, I didn’t have to 
type it!

RESULTS : [I haven’t gone yet]

REPOSITORY:
Reese Library (Augusta State University)
2500 Walton Way
Augusta, GA 30904
(706) 667-4904
www.aug.edu/~liblsc/Welcome.html
spc...@aug.edu


NOTE: I only have to put in the repository ONCE.  From then on you can pick it 
from a drop down list.

Right now I have EIGHT entries for the Reese Library.  I will print those out 
before I go.  You can sort/filter your to-do list many ways.  I also have 
several to-dos for the the Richmond County Courthouse.  I can sort by that and 
then take the list with me.   The list that prints out has a place where you 
can write notes which is very handy.

You can make GENERAL entries or SPECIFIC to an individual entries.  A general 
entry might be something like “look for all Martins in the Augusta City 
Cemetery” and your locality/repository would be Find-A-Grave.

A specific one would be looking for James Elexander Simmons’ death certificate.


I hope this helps

michele



From: Paula Ryburn
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 11:29 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] the value of the to-do list

Michele, Would you mind too terribly sending us an example of how you enter one 
to-do list item?  What you put into each field?  Then what report you run to 
take with you to the library.  That would help me immensely.  I have started 
using to-do items, but would definitely like to make sure I don't show up at a 
library without my full list of things to find.  Thanks.

--Paula in Texas
Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman 
Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field 
Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle 
Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche 
Ryburn Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams




From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv cranberryf...@cobridge.tv
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Fri, January 27, 2012 7:56:53 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] the value of the to-do list


I have now discovered just how valuable the to-do list is while I have been 
going through the BCG Certification process.   I wonder now how I managed 
without  it before.  At a glance I can see what all I am still needing and what 
I am waiting for.  I have 3 libraries in the Augusta area that have 
genealogical holdings.  World Cat  is my friend and I can add items from World 
Cat into the to-do list and then sort by library.  I make ONE trip to the 
library and I don’t accidentally forget to look at something I need.  I can 
also sort by the Family History Center and I get a list of all of the 
microfilms I need all neat and tidy.  Again, I won’t accidentally forget one 
that I need.

michele






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Re: [LegacyUG] Allegation Bond

2012-01-28 Thread cranberryfrog
What I have learned to do is find the exact format in the Evidence Explained
book, then try a couple of templates to see which one matches.  Then I make
a note in the front of the book so I know for the next time.

I learned to do this because while working on my portfolio for the BCG, I
found many of my sources were not formatted correctly so instead of just
copying and pasting them, I had to hand type them which was a lot of work.

michele





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[LegacyUG] the value of the to-do list

2012-01-27 Thread cranberryfrog
I have now discovered just how valuable the to-do list is while I have been 
going through the BCG Certification process.   I wonder now how I managed 
without  it before.  At a glance I can see what all I am still needing and what 
I am waiting for.  I have 3 libraries in the Augusta area that have 
genealogical holdings.  World Cat  is my friend and I can add items from World 
Cat into the to-do list and then sort by library.  I make ONE trip to the 
library and I don’t accidentally forget to look at something I need.  I can 
also sort by the Family History Center and I get a list of all of the 
microfilms I need all neat and tidy.  Again, I won’t accidentally forget one 
that I need.

michele

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[LegacyUG] changing templates

2012-01-23 Thread cranberryfrog
Is there any plans to make it so you can switch templates after you have 
already created a source?  (Hit the edit button and then the info would flow 
over into the new template you chose).  I have several sources that would be 
better if I had used a different template but after you have already used that 
source many times it just isn’t worth the effort to try and fix it.  I found 
these while working on my BCG portfolio.  A certain source wouldn’t fit the 
Evidence Explained examples but might if I had used a different template.

michele

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Re: [LegacyUG] Surname pronunciation

2012-01-22 Thread cranberryfrog
Personal knowledge?  Interview with your mother?

Michele

From: Richard Van Wasshnova
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:50 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Surname pronunciation

Any suggestion on how to record proper pronunciation of a surname?
My mother was always correcting us on her grandmother's surname of NOEL must be 
pronounced Newel not like Christmas. Also her aunt and cousins BARRON must be 
pronounced nasally, sort of like Bahra. (They sometimes appeared in census as 
BARROW)
I considered AKA but tend to prefer a name source. I don't know how to create a 
source for oral preaching.
Any suggestions please?


--
Richard Van Wasshnova




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[LegacyUG] very frustrating

2011-12-14 Thread cranberryfrog
I am still not receiving the messages from the the New Family Search Legacy 
list!  I have subscribed, unsubscribed and resubscribed several times.  The 
manager of the list hand unsubscribed me and resubscribed me.  My ISP says  
nothing on their end is holding things up.  The posts are not going into my 
spam/junk folder.  I can post to the list and everyone (but me) can see the 
posts.  It makes no sense because I have no problems with the main Legacy list 
at all.

Last resort – I am going to use my Yahoo account.  I hate to do that because I 
only check it every couple of weeks but I guess I will need to check it every 
day now.  I have a lot of questions.  I am working with the NFS every day but I 
am sure there are some tricks I am missing.

michele

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[LegacyUG] New Family Search

2011-11-29 Thread cranberryfrog
Is there a email list to discuss New Family Search?  I think someone posted one 
but I can’t find it.

michele

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Re: [LegacyUG] New Family Search

2011-11-29 Thread cranberryfrog
Thanks, Tim :)

michele


-Original Message-
From: Tim Rosenlof
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 9:07 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] New Family Search

Hi Michele,

http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp

and away you go.

Tim Rosenlof


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[LegacyUG] New FamilySearch

2011-11-27 Thread cranberryfrog
I just added a family group to the new Family Search that was not there (this 
is a Polish family) through the Legacy interface.   All of the info transferred 
perfectly.  However, none of my sources transferred even though there is a 
place to record your sources on the New Family Search.  Does this not transfer 
automatically?  If I have to hand  type in all the sources I won’t be doing 
that.  I will just wait and see if someone emails questioning it and then I 
will give them the source.

michele

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Re: [LegacyUG] New FamilySearch

2011-11-27 Thread cranberryfrog
Thanks, Kathy

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Re: [LegacyUG] Now that I've got Animap-

2011-11-24 Thread cranberryfrog
Marli,
It is Easy Peasy!
Go to “Reports” on the toolbar
Then select “All Reports”
And then the very last one on the list will be “USA County Verifier”
And there you go!
michele
From: Marli Yoder
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 11:49 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Now that I've got Animap-

Ok- I got Animap, hoping to clean up my locations. How do I find the errors to 
fix? I know that I have them, because the county verifier states it when I 
enter locations. But I have no clue as to how to search for them, and it seems 
like it would be very time consuming to go through each location and do a date 
of inception search in Animap.
Happy thanksgiving!
Marli Yoder
A  M Farms
Eureka  Sturgeon Missouri



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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

2011-11-23 Thread cranberryfrog
Just out of curiosity, WHY would you want to use Facebook as a source?  If
you are talking with Mr. John Doe on Facebook and he gives you some
information that you need then I would source it as an interview with the
person.   (And, I would then try and find the information myself so that I
could source it properly.  Hearsay from someone isn't really a proper
source.)

michele

-Original Message-
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Subject: [LegacyUG] Facebook

Has any come up with a good method to cite Facebook and other social
media sites.  i am planning on using the Generic Website template but
wonder if there is a better way?
Thank you


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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

2011-11-23 Thread cranberryfrog
Robert said,
“My solution:  If someone on Facebook says an ancestor of mine married so
and so, I email them and get more facts.  I will record in Legacy that Kathy
Smith said whatever.  Then I will actually get verification of those facts
through records. If I find it true, I will list Kathy as a bona fide source
(Not Facebook). If not true, I leave the information Kathy said about my
ancestor in notes. It might prove useful to refer to later, but I won't
change anything.”

I couldn’t have said it better myself, Robert!  PERFECT!

michele



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[LegacyUG] I don't know if this is off topic or not

2011-11-21 Thread cranberryfrog
I now have access to the new FamilySearch.  I have watched both of Geoff’s
webinars on this but I have a question.  There is a fact that is incorrect
and I have the sources to back up my claim.  When I click on the contributor
button the only contributor is FamilySearch Data Administrator and it will
not let me send a email.  How can I get this corrected?  A child is attached
to the wrong parents.

michele



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Re: [LegacyUG] Consolidated location and address suggestions

2011-11-21 Thread cranberryfrog
That is strange.  Augusta is is Richmond Co, GA.  Augusta covers the entire
area of Richmond Co but it is considered part of Richmond Co.  It is the
same with Jacksonville, FL.  The city covers the entire county but the
county still exists and Jacksonville is in Duvall Co.

michele

-Original Message-
From: Charles Apple
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 7:09 PM
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Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Consolidated location and address suggestions

Mark,

A few states have Independent Cities that are not located in any Counties.
Here is a list of a few, all in Virginia since I am well aware of these.

Hampton, , Virginia, United States
Newport News, , Virginia, United States
Virginia Beach, , Virginia, United States
Danville, , Virginia, United States

Charles

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 3:31 PM
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Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Consolidated location and address suggestions

Mary,

I am sorry, but that just simply does not make sense. The whole US is
divided into states which is divided into counties. I know of no situation
where there is a place that is in no-man's land, that is just
uneconomically unviable in any first world environment.

Please enlighten us how a US city cannot be in a county, I really do want to
know.

Kind Regards
Mark Lang



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Re: [LegacyUG] Colour coding of Ancestors

2011-11-20 Thread cranberryfrog
You can only set colors for the direct line of ONE person.  If you want to
do this for your wife, you will need to have her family in a separate file.

michele

-Original Message-
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Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 10:05 AM
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Subject: [LegacyUG] Colour coding of Ancestors

Hello Listers
The recent Webinar  about colour coding Ancestors in Legacy prompted me to
set my colours

I have set my colours for my lines but no colours have been set for my
wife's line

How do I set this

Regards
John
Manchester
England



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Re: [LegacyUG] Locations

2011-11-19 Thread cranberryfrog
Correct!

, Lamar, Mississippi, USA
, , Mississippi, USA

michele

From: julia l
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 9:48 AM
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Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Locations

What if I don't know the city but do know the county state, should I enter it 
like this?
, county name, state, usa

Or if I don't know the city and county, should I always enter like this?
, , state, usa




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Re: [LegacyUG] Locations

2011-11-18 Thread cranberryfrog
Bernhard,

I am a little confused.  Are you putting eery ADDRESS in as a separate
location?

42 Main Street, Purvis, Lamar, Mississippi, USA
15 Elm Street, Purvis, Lamar, Mississippi, USA
84 Oak Street, Purvis, Lamar, Mississippi, USA

Why not just put the exact address, if you have one, under a residence event
or if it is tied to a census, within the census event notes?  For example,
if I get an exact  address from a WWII draft card I just write the address
within that event notes.

What is the purpose of geo locating 50 exact addresses in Los Angeles?  For
research purposes, you only need to know that they lived in Los Angeles.
I think this just clutters up your master locations.

michele

-Original Message-
From: Bernhard Scholz
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 8:10 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Locations

Jerry,

why not include the county name in the location as in your case.

The more data included in the Master Locations makes it easier to combine.

Why add data to a notes field the global locations, which have to be edited
later manualy. Perhaps later on hundreds.

I agree that we have a problem.
At the moment we only have eighter the Master List Location or the Address
Window.

In my opinion that's that's the problem.

At the moment we have to add for every exact event the global location
address
as a seperate Master List Location.
This would mean at the moment in my case for the same city over 10 Master
List
Locations.

In my case I have one Master List Location and 10 Address Locations.

To make it perhaps easier to understand look at it this way.

An example, perhaps not the best ;-), but due to the size of the city and
it's
multinationl status.

A family lives in eg. L.A., Cal., ,USA for over fifty years.
They have eg. 5 children, two nationalities, 10 grandchildren, 20
grandchildren
and XX greatgrandchildren.

This means perhaps hundreds of Master List loccations.

Instead we could have one Master location, L.A., and hundreds of Address
Locations.

Using the suggested we could reduce the size of the Family File.
As the result depends on the changes on the side of Legacy and in the way
the
Users work it's difficult to say something about the result.

Perhaps something to think about.


Bernhard


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From: Jerry [mailto:jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 5:52 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations

I understand the historical part, but some of us prefer to use the NOTE
field to
explain when there are differences in jurisdictions or what a
location was called.   Afterall, as someone said recently, the latitude
and longitude does not change and we like to use the mapping system and tie
a
particular location into every person referenced for that spot on the map.
So,
even though I generally always like to include the COUNTY
-- in your example, I would not put the county in the location.   I
would leave the COUNTY place marker empty between commas, as follows:

Woodstock, , Connecticut, USA

and have the appropriate note attached to that location to explain when it
was a
part of Windham County and when it was a part of Suffolk
County.   That is just a personal preference to keep from having
hundreds or quite literally even thousands of extra locations in the
database
(ex: Upper Canada, Canada West, British America, Massachusetts Bay Colony -
you
could go on and on and create even thousands of extra places, if you take
that
to the extreme).  So, I'm not saying you are wrong in listing such locations
separately, just my reason for doing otherwise.

Jerry Boor / http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org

On 11/16/2011 07:39 PM, Geoff Rasmussen wrote:
 Hey Tony,

 I wish people would disagree with me more often - we all can learn from
 each
other.

 However, understanding the location at the time of the event is crucial to
research success. Woodstock, Connecticut has always had the same
latitude/longitude. Today it resides in Windham County. If you look for
records
in Woodstock, Windham County for an ancestor that lived in Woodstock in
1720,
you won't find what you are looking for because at that time it resided in
Suffolk County, Massachusetts. If I were to record the person's birth as
1720 in
Woodstock, Windham County, Connecticut, it would be false - the place simply
did
not exist then. My recommendation then is to record the location as it
existed
at the time of the event AND in the event's notes, record the name of the
place
as it exists today to cross-reference each other.

 Good luck,

 Geoff

 -Original Message-
 From: Tony Rolfe [mailto:geneal...@gillandtony.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 5:10 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Locations

 Paula wants me to change the thread title, so here goes.

 Hi, Geoff

 I have to disagree with your statement that it's the location at the time
 of
the event that is important not the location as it 

Re: [LegacyUG] Locations

2011-11-18 Thread cranberryfrog
For US locations I do what is recommended by the LDS church (the largest
repository of genealogical holdings in the world), Brigham Young University
(the University with the largest number family history/genealogy courses),
ICAPGen and BCG (the two accrediting/certification bodies), Legacy (the
software program most of us are using) and Elizabeth Shown Mills (considered
the top authority of genealogical documentation).   I am sure I could add
more.

CITY, COUNTY, STATE, COUNTY

michele


-Original Message-
From: Bernhard Scholz
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 8:27 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Locations

Michele,

can only agree about consistency but which way are you documenting the
locations.


Bernhard



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Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 2:08 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations

Consistency is always key.  Consistency in recording locations and using the
standard method will make your research more orderly and organized and more
valuable  to other researchers.

michele



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Re: [LegacyUG] Locations

2011-11-18 Thread cranberryfrog
CITY, COUNTY, STATE, COUNTRY (I said county twice, my bad)

michele

-Original Message-
From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 8:35 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations

For US locations I do what is recommended by the LDS church (the largest
repository of genealogical holdings in the world), Brigham Young University
(the University with the largest number family history/genealogy courses),
ICAPGen and BCG (the two accrediting/certification bodies), Legacy (the
software program most of us are using) and Elizabeth Shown Mills (considered
the top authority of genealogical documentation).   I am sure I could add
more.

CITY, COUNTY, STATE, COUNTY

michele


-Original Message-
From: Bernhard Scholz
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 8:27 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Locations

Michele,

can only agree about consistency but which way are you documenting the
locations.


Bernhard



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Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 2:08 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations

Consistency is always key.  Consistency in recording locations and using the
standard method will make your research more orderly and organized and more
valuable  to other researchers.

michele



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Re: [LegacyUG] Locations

2011-11-18 Thread cranberryfrog
Alan,
That is interesting to know.  I am not LDS so I don't have access to the New
Family Search yet.  I use the standard 4 place markers for US locations but
I also have a lot of foreign locations as well.  For Germany I use 3, for
Poland I use 4.  I keep it standard within each country.  I still say
consistency is the most important.  It makes your work look more
professional.  It also makes it easier to share info back and forth.  Legacy
is set up for 4 place markers which is the US standard.  The geo locations
and searches rely on the 4 place markers.  If everyone out there is doing
something completely different then it just muddies everything up.

NOTE: It isn't just locations!  It is the same thing with names and with
dates!  Some people put women under their MARRIED name which is not the
standard.  Some people do their dates backwards and use only numbers which
really messes other people up.   Locations are no different.  Another issue
with locations is what we recently talked about, recording the location as
it was at the time the event occurred.  There are people that don't do that.
If they share their info (upload it to Family Search for example), it just
makes their stuff not credible and muddies everything up.

Michele


-Original Message-
From: Alan Pereira
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 8:52 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Locations

New Family Search lets you store an address outside that 4 field
convention - I do it all the time.

I fully endorse Ron Ferguson's view on locations.

Alan Pereira



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Re: [LegacyUG] Locations

2011-11-18 Thread cranberryfrog
Ron,
I specifically said US locations.  I know that England is different.
However, I still think all of your England locations should be consistent
with the same number of place markers (however many that is!).  Honestly, I
can't quite figure England and Ireland out :) :)

michele



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Re: [LegacyUG] Locations

2011-11-18 Thread cranberryfrog
Alan,

1) How do you have access to the New Family Search without being LDS??
2) Me personally, I would never put a street address in the location field.
That would be in the notes or as a residence event.
3) Are you putting all of this information on a CHART or in a REPORT?  In a
report I can understand.  However, on a chart?  I am trying to visualize a
pedigree chart with residence, occupation, census, christenings.  I would
think that you could only get 1 generation on the chart :)

Hugs...
michele

-Original Message-
From: Alan Pereira
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:13 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Locations

Michele,
My grandfather was born at 8 Anatola Road, Upper Holloway, Islington,
London, England.  How would you record that in Legacy?
I am not LDS but am a volunteer for New Family Search.  Like Legacy, they
allow you to ignore the 4 field convention when you enter a location that
does not conform by choosing the option None of the Above when it tries to
make a guess at the location (ususally by dropping the real value - in the
above example it tries to drop 8 Anatola Road).

I need this detail passed through into Charts as well as in reports.  My
wife, in charts, likes to include Occupation+Location and Residencial
locations tied to Censuses, Christenings and marriages (achieved using other
genealogical software).

Consistency at the price of losing genealogical detail is not a worthy
practice.

Alan
-Original Message-
From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv [mailto:cranberryf...@cobridge.tv]
Sent: 18 November 2011 14:13
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations

Alan,
That is interesting to know.  I am not LDS so I don't have access to the New
Family Search yet.  I use the standard 4 place markers for US locations but
I also have a lot of foreign locations as well.  For Germany I use 3, for
Poland I use 4.  I keep it standard within each country.  I still say
consistency is the most important.  It makes your work look more
professional.  It also makes it easier to share info back and forth.  Legacy
is set up for 4 place markers which is the US standard.  The geo locations
and searches rely on the 4 place markers.  If everyone out there is doing
something completely different then it just muddies everything up.

NOTE: It isn't just locations!  It is the same thing with names and with
dates!  Some people put women under their MARRIED name which is not the
standard.  Some people do their dates backwards and use only numbers which
really messes other people up.   Locations are no different.  Another issue
with locations is what we recently talked about, recording the location as
it was at the time the event occurred.  There are people that don't do that.
If they share their info (upload it to Family Search for example), it just
makes their stuff not credible and muddies everything up.

Michele


-Original Message-
From: Alan Pereira
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 8:52 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Locations

New Family Search lets you store an address outside that 4 field
convention - I do it all the time.

I fully endorse Ron Ferguson's view on locations.

Alan Pereira



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Re: [LegacyUG] Locations

2011-11-18 Thread cranberryfrog
Alan,
1) LUCKY YOU! (to have access to the new FamilySearch) I am very jealous :)
2) When I do a census record, I do it almost exactly like Geoff R.  does it
on the legacy videos and in his census webinar.

Event/Fact: 1880 United States Federal Census
Description: population schedule
Date: 18 Jun 1880
Place:  Augusta, Richmond, Georgia, USA

806 Broad Street
Little Berry Lewis, white, male, age 48, married, hotel keeper, born in NC,
both parents born in NC
Francis Lewis, white, female, age 35, wife, married, at home, born in SC,
both parents born in SC
Harry Lewis, white, male, age 7, son, single, at school, attended school
this year, born in SC, father born in NC, mother born in SC



HERE IS THE COMPLETE OUTPUT (how it would print on a report):

1880 United States Federal Census; population schedule, 18 Jun 1880,
Augusta, Richmond, Georgia, USA

806 Broad Street
Little Berry Lewis, white, male, age 48, married, hotel keeper, born in NC,
both parents born in NC
Francis Lewis, white, female, age 35, wife, married, at home, born in SC,
both parents born in SC
Harry Lewis, white, male, age 7, son, single, at school, attended school
this year, born in SC, father born in NC, mother born in SC


I do not record the physical address as a separate location event nor do I
record the occupation as a separate occupation event.  If I recorded every
occupation I found on a census record, a single person could have a many as
7 or 8 separate occupation events!

Michele




-Original Message-
From: Alan Pereira
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:37 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Locations

Michele,
Answering your points.
1) LDS accepted non LDS volunteers as a pilot before beginning the roll-out
for everyone.
2) If you put a street address in the Residence I assume you place the 8
Anatola Road in the description and not the location.  If I have a person
in a Census who has an occupation, I do not use Residence but place the
Occupation in the Occupation Description and the full location in the
location fields against an Occupation Event.
3) My wife's charts are pretty well compressed and are mainly A3.  Both of
us and relatives get more value from them than any report (the family at a
glance).  Yes, we have to split generations on some of the families as they
would be huge.
Alan

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From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv [mailto:cranberryf...@cobridge.tv]
Sent: 18 November 2011 15:20
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations

Alan,

1) How do you have access to the New Family Search without being LDS??
2) Me personally, I would never put a street address in the location field.
That would be in the notes or as a residence event.
3) Are you putting all of this information on a CHART or in a REPORT?  In a
report I can understand.  However, on a chart?  I am trying to visualize a
pedigree chart with residence, occupation, census, christenings.  I would
think that you could only get 1 generation on the chart :)

Hugs...
michele

-Original Message-
From: Alan Pereira
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:13 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Locations

Michele,
My grandfather was born at 8 Anatola Road, Upper Holloway, Islington,
London, England.  How would you record that in Legacy?
I am not LDS but am a volunteer for New Family Search.  Like Legacy, they
allow you to ignore the 4 field convention when you enter a location that
does not conform by choosing the option None of the Above when it tries to
make a guess at the location (ususally by dropping the real value - in the
above example it tries to drop 8 Anatola Road).

I need this detail passed through into Charts as well as in reports.  My
wife, in charts, likes to include Occupation+Location and Residencial
locations tied to Censuses, Christenings and marriages (achieved using other
genealogical software).

Consistency at the price of losing genealogical detail is not a worthy
practice.

Alan
-Original Message-
From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv [mailto:cranberryf...@cobridge.tv]
Sent: 18 November 2011 14:13
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations

Alan,
That is interesting to know.  I am not LDS so I don't have access to the New
Family Search yet.  I use the standard 4 place markers for US locations but
I also have a lot of foreign locations as well.  For Germany I use 3, for
Poland I use 4.  I keep it standard within each country.  I still say
consistency is the most important.  It makes your work look more
professional.  It also makes it easier to share info back and forth.  Legacy
is set up for 4 place markers which is the US standard.  The geo locations
and searches rely on the 4 place markers.  If everyone out there is doing
something completely different then it just muddies everything up.

NOTE: It isn't just locations!  It is the same thing with names and with
dates!  Some people put women under their 

Re: [LegacyUG] Locations

2011-11-18 Thread cranberryfrog
Ron,
You said...

The problem I have with your format is that to find everyone who lived in
Broad Street, one would have to do a Detailed Search, whereas I only have to
set the Master Location List to read from left to right and I can find them
all grouped together.

I guess part of the problem is that almost 100% of my research is in the
very rural areas of the deep south (MS, LA, AL, GA, NC, SC).  I honestly
don't have many addresses for people.  They were rarely used on the census
records.  Things like draft cards give rural routes, like Route 6,
Hattiesburg  (they usually didn't bother to say which box number.  Even if
they did, it would be virtually impossible to know where Route 6, Box 14
was.  There are no records for that sort of thing and those routes are long
gone.  Also, Hattiesburg is in Forrest Co and Route 6 is in Lamar Co which
of course makes no sense.

Michele



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Re: [LegacyUG] Locations

2011-11-18 Thread cranberryfrog
That is correct.  I don't think they do this up north.  Route 6 is really
Rural Route 6 or RR6 which is a MAIL route not a street name.  There are
still places that have rural routes.  My old address in FL was Route 6, Box
4 Plant City, FL.  My house was on Quail Meadow Road.

michele


-Original Message-
From: Bain Family
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 12:53 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations

Having been raised in a rural area myself, my thought is that the Route 6
is probably the post office route and not the name of the road.  The post
office probably divided up the area into several routes with each route
assigned a mail carrier.  The mail carrier for each route knew the names in
each household and delivered mail accordingly.  It probably has absolutely
nothing to do with the name of the road or highway.  I lived on Route 3 and
there was no road or highway of that name.  It was just the name of the
route assigned to the mail carrier for our area.

Lana

-Original Message-
From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 9:09 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations

Ron,
You said...

The problem I have with your format is that to find everyone who lived in
Broad Street, one would have to do a Detailed Search, whereas I only have to
set the Master Location List to read from left to right and I can find them
all grouped together.

I guess part of the problem is that almost 100% of my research is in the
very rural areas of the deep south (MS, LA, AL, GA, NC, SC).  I honestly
don't have many addresses for people.  They were rarely used on the census
records.  Things like draft cards give rural routes, like Route 6,
Hattiesburg  (they usually didn't bother to say which box number.  Even if
they did, it would be virtually impossible to know where Route 6, Box 14
was.  There are no records for that sort of thing and those routes are long
gone.  Also, Hattiesburg is in Forrest Co and Route 6 is in Lamar Co which
of course makes no sense.

Michele



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Re: [LegacyUG] Locations

2011-11-17 Thread cranberryfrog
Consistency is always key.  Consistency in recording locations and using the
standard method will make your research more orderly and organized and more
valuable  to other researchers.

michele



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Re: [LegacyUG] Where to enter vital record translations?

2011-11-16 Thread cranberryfrog
I have tons of German vital records. I personally don't translate anything
because I am fluent in German.If I were to make an English
transcription, I would do it under the source screens.  There is a place for
this there.

On the source screen you have 5 tabs
Source info - this is where you type in your source identifiers
Text/Comments - this is where you would put your transcription [I would do
it in German and English, not just English]
Multimedia - this is where you attach a pdf or jpg of the document itself
Override - this is if you want your output (footnotes, endnotes) formatted
differently than what Legacy automatically does

Also, if you are not doing the translating yourself, I would document WHO
translated it for you.

Michele


-Original Message-
From: Brian Lehman
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:11 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Where to enter vital record translations?

Hello,
I have vital records for my ancestors that are written in German and
wish to enter a translation of the documents.
Where is the appropriate/usual place to enter the translation, in the
Event notes or the source text.
Thank you and take care,
Brian Lehman

Researching:
Czortkow,Galicia - FISCHTHAL, KLEINMAN, RINTEL, SCHNEIDER, KAHNER, GRUNBERG.
Russia - SILVERSTEIN,ZILBERSCHTEIN,GROER.
Mielnica,Galicia - SCHUSTER, LEHMAN, MENDLOWITZ, WEISSMANN, STELMACH,
SCHNEIDER, GRISCHMANN.
Chrzanow,Galicia - SCHNEIDER,BORENSTEIN,JOSEPH.
Wiznitz,Bukovina - PISTINER,PASTERNACK,FELDMANN,KALER.
Muenzenheim,Germany - DIEDELSCHEIMER,ELSASSER,HABISH,HABICHT,TURKHEIMER.



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[LegacyUG] Legacy News on Home tab

2011-11-16 Thread cranberryfrog
Is there anyone in particular that is in charge of posting news on the Legacy 
News tab on the home page (within Legacy itself)?   I really love reading what 
is going on out there but unfortunately this isn’t updated as often or as 
active as I would like.  I always hit the home tab hoping that something new 
will be there but sometimes weeks go by...

michele

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy News on Home tab

2011-11-16 Thread cranberryfrog
Sure will

michele

From: Geoff Rasmussen
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 9:21 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy News on Home tab

I wonder then if something has gone wrong. It is still updated 3-4 times a 
week. Will you send me a screenshot to ge...@legacyfamilytree.com of what yours 
looks like?



Geoff



From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv [mailto:cranberryf...@cobridge.tv]
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 5:49 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy News on Home tab



Is there anyone in particular that is in charge of posting news on the Legacy 
News tab on the home page (within Legacy itself)?   I really love reading what 
is going on out there but unfortunately this isn’t updated as often or as 
active as I would like.  I always hit the home tab hoping that something new 
will be there but sometimes weeks go by...



michele




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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy News on Home tab

2011-11-16 Thread cranberryfrog
When I was doing the screenshot for Geoff, I noticed something.  Even when I 
hit the refresh button the screen doesn’t update BUT if I hit the Legacy News 
link, there is a lot of stuff posted there that I don’t see on my home page 
within Legacy itself.  It was updated on 14 Nov but I don’t see any of those 
updates even when I hit refresh.  I sent that info plus the screen shot to 
Geoff.

Michele


From: Ron Bernier
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 9:52 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy News on Home tab

The information on my Legacy Home page is definitely updated regularly.  Not 
sure why Michele goes weeks without seeing any updates.



From: Geoff Rasmussen [mailto:ge...@legacyusers.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 9:21 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy News on Home tab



I wonder then if something has gone wrong. It is still updated 3-4 times a 
week. Will you send me a screenshot to ge...@legacyfamilytree.com of what yours 
looks like?



Geoff



From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv [mailto:cranberryf...@cobridge.tv]
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 5:49 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy News on Home tab



Is there anyone in particular that is in charge of posting news on the Legacy 
News tab on the home page (within Legacy itself)?   I really love reading what 
is going on out there but unfortunately this isn’t updated as often or as 
active as I would like.  I always hit the home tab hoping that something new 
will be there but sometimes weeks go by...



michele



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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy News on Home tab

2011-11-16 Thread cranberryfrog
Yes!  That is what Geoff figured out.  Since I work on my file every day, I
don't close Legacy very often.  I just put my computer to sleep at night
with Legacy still on the screen.  So, that problem is solved BUT that
doesn't explain why the refresh button doesn't work.  I should have to
restart Legacy for the screen to update.

Michele

-Original Message-
From: Mike Fry
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:11 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy News on Home tab

On 2011/11/16 16:52, Ron Bernier wrote:

 The information on my Legacy Home page is definitely updated regularly.
 Not
 sure why Michele goes weeks without seeing any updates.

Possibly because the program is left running for weeks. It seems to me,
that
it updates when the program starts.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg


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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy News on Home tab

2011-11-16 Thread cranberryfrog
I do back up to a flash drive frequently.  I will start shutting the program
down :)

michele


-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:48 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy News on Home tab

I *strongly* recommend that you close Legacy when you're not working
in it. We've seen too many corrupted databases from computers shutting
down unexpected - from Windows updates which restart the computer,
power dips, power outages, etc.

Also, make sure you do regular backups (File  Backup Family File) to
a location off the hard drive. If it's on the hard drive and the hard
drive crashes, you've lost your backup as well.  Again, something
we've seen way too often!


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
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On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 7:50 AM,  cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote:
 Yes!  That is what Geoff figured out.  Since I work on my file every day,
 I
 don't close Legacy very often.  I just put my computer to sleep at night
 with Legacy still on the screen.  So, that problem is solved BUT that
 doesn't explain why the refresh button doesn't work.  I should have to
 restart Legacy for the screen to update.

 Michele


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[LegacyUG] potential problems question

2011-11-16 Thread cranberryfrog
I run the potential problems regularly because I am constantly working on my
file.  I have the criteria set and I never change what is there.  When I run
a potential problems sometimes people will pop up that I haven’t worked on
in a long time.  For example,

Today Nancy Irby pops up because “death date after age 100.”  She didn’t pop
up last week, or the week before, or the week before or ever (or I would
have fixed it or marked it as no problem).   I looked at Nancy and the last
edited date is 2 years ago.  Why on earth is she popping up now?  She was
legitimately 104 years old when she died so it isn’t a problem and I have
now marked it as such.

Another one popped up today.  Anna Lee Maddox for “event date after death
date.”  She has never popped up before.   I haven’t worked with her since
Oct.  I look and sure enough I made a mistake.  She died 09 Mar 1942 but I
accidently put her cemetery/burial date as Feb 1944 (brain fart?)  Why didn’t
it pick this up before?

This happens every so often.  Not all the time but once in a while.  It isn’t
a real big deal, I just fix it but it is puzzling.

Michele



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Re: [LegacyUG] potential problems question

2011-11-16 Thread cranberryfrog
I have LTools but it doesn't have a potential problems feature unless it has
been updated recently.

michele


-Original Message-
From: Tim Rosenlof
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 4:21 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] potential problems question

Michele,

LTools ?

Tim Rosenlof
Utah, USA
Researching Southern Sweden
Always --  Document-- your work.


On 11/16/2011 11:12 AM, cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote:
 I run the potential problems regularly because I am constantly working on
 my
 file.  I have the criteria set and I never change what is there.  When I
 run
 a potential problems sometimes people will pop up that I haven’t worked
 on
 in a long time.  For example,

 Today Nancy Irby pops up because “death date after age 100.”  She
 didn’t pop
 up last week, or the week before, or the week before or ever (or I would
 have fixed it or marked it as no problem).   I looked at Nancy and the
 last
 edited date is 2 years ago.  Why on earth is she popping up now?  She was
 legitimately 104 years old when she died so it isn’t a problem and I
 have
 now marked it as such.

 Another one popped up today.  Anna Lee Maddox for “event date after
 death
 date.”  She has never popped up before.   I haven’t worked with her
 since
 Oct.  I look and sure enough I made a mistake.  She died 09 Mar 1942 but I
 accidently put her cemetery/burial date as Feb 1944 (brain fart?)  Why
 didn’t
 it pick this up before?

 This happens every so often.  Not all the time but once in a while.  It
 isn’t
 a real big deal, I just fix it but it is puzzling.

 Michele




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Re: [LegacyUG] potential problems question

2011-11-16 Thread cranberryfrog
Ah!
I just ran LTools and it found 6 more.  Then I ran Legacy again and it found
5 more.  After that I ran potential problems again and I have zero.  Maybe
LTools should come up with its own version of Potential problems.  Are you
listening, Dennis?   :)

michele


-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 4:36 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] potential problems question

Michele,

It doesn't, or at least I don't think so, but what it does have is an
alternative method of marking people who are deceased. The algorithm which
Legacy uses will not necessarily find all of them, and LTools can find many
more. It might be these which keep cropping up.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 9:25 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] potential problems question

I have LTools but it doesn't have a potential problems feature unless it has
been updated recently.

michele


-Original Message-
From: Tim Rosenlof
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 4:21 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] potential problems question

Michele,

LTools ?

Tim Rosenlof
Utah, USA
Researching Southern Sweden
Always --  Document-- your work.


On 11/16/2011 11:12 AM, cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote:
 I run the potential problems regularly because I am constantly working on
 my
 file.  I have the criteria set and I never change what is there.  When I
 run
 a potential problems sometimes people will pop up that I haven’t
 worked
 on
 in a long time.  For example,

 Today Nancy Irby pops up because “death date after age 100.”
 She
 didn’t pop
 up last week, or the week before, or the week before or ever (or I would
 have fixed it or marked it as no problem).   I looked at Nancy and the
 last
 edited date is 2 years ago.  Why on earth is she popping up now?  She was
 legitimately 104 years old when she died so it isn’t a problem and
 I
 have
 now marked it as such.

 Another one popped up today.  Anna Lee Maddox for “event date after
 death
 date.”  She has never popped up before.   I haven’t worked
 with her
 since
 Oct.  I look and sure enough I made a mistake.  She died 09 Mar 1942 but I
 accidently put her cemetery/burial date as Feb 1944 (brain fart?)  Why
 didn’t
 it pick this up before?

 This happens every so often.  Not all the time but once in a while.  It
 isn’t
 a real big deal, I just fix it but it is puzzling.

 Michele





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[LegacyUG] Known bug

2011-11-13 Thread cranberryfrog
I pointed out several months ago that the potential problems will find
initials that don’t have a space after the periods  (J.S. Smith vs. J. S.
Smith) but if the name is in the AKA field, the potential problems will not
see this.  It was confirmed as a bug by the Legacy people.  I was wondering
when this was going to be fixed?  I am all about consistent data entry :)

michele



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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources (email, repository)

2011-11-10 Thread cranberryfrog
I don’t use the source or the phrase “personal knowledge” unless the person 
actually witnessed the event.  If great Aunt Marge tell me the dates of birth 
of her children, that would be personal knowledge.  If Great Aunt Marge tells 
me her father’s date of birth I would simply source that as an interview.   I 
may be splitting hairs but I think personal knowledge requires an eyewitness 
account.

michele

From: Paula Ryburn
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:41 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources (email, repository)

Examples of citation as would be printed:

Personal knowledge of Jane Doe, email 11/10/2011
Personal knowledge of John Smith, letter 11/20/2011
Personal knowledge of Laurie Jones, telephone call 11/30/2011

I enter the email 11/10/2011 in the detail comment and click to print it.
I would enter the transcription in the Text field (or add the image if I've 
scanned it) but not print that.

And I guess the repository is me... I either have the email on my computer or 
printed and in a binder...?  I don't really use the repository very much.

--Paula




From: Jerry jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Thu, November 10, 2011 12:20:53 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

Yeah, that's kind of my thinking also, but I still don't have a good 
understanding of REPOSITORIES?  Could it be constructed so that personal 
knowledge of is the source and the email is the repository??  Jerry

Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

Is it equally valid to call it Personal Knowledge and include the method of
transfer of that knowledge to you in the detail citation?  Then everything from
that person would sort together?  Or is that just a master source list Name
question?  (not a template question)  Thx.
 --Paula in Texas
Researching:  Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman
Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field
Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle
Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche 
Ryburn
Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams





From: Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Tue, November 8, 2011 9:04:57 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

SourceWriter has Email listed under Type of Source.  You would use
that template.



Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree



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 Recently I received E-Mails from my cousins containing biograpical
 information on their deceased parents.  It includes dates and locations of
 births, marriages, deaths, etc.  This is the only documentation I have on
 these individuals.  How should this be sourced in Legacy?

 Dean Adams

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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list revision

2011-11-10 Thread cranberryfrog
Yes!  You CAN do it globally!  Go to the MASTER LOCATION List screen.   At the 
top right click OPTIONS.   Then click EXPAND/CONTRACT LOCATION PARTS.  Then on 
the right side check the box that says ADD USA (or add United States, whichever 
your prefer) and you are done

michele

From: sarlesinsi...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 2:26 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Master Location list revision

I did a bad job on my locations early on. I have almost no genealogy data out 
of the country, so I ignored the USA part of the location and put the State 
there. Now, I see that it was a mistake and would like to change to the format 
as outlined on the training video.

My question is: Is there a way to do this at all globally, or must I attack 
each entry in my whole location master list one at a time? That will take many 
days (even weeks) to accomplish, I'm afraid. Suggestions appreciated.

Jane Sarles

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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list revision

2011-11-10 Thread cranberryfrog
It will effect anything in a location field.

Purvis, Lamar, Mississippi
will become Purvis, Lamar, Mississippi, USA

If you have a cemetery name in a location field then this will happen...
Grantham Family Cemetery, Lamar, Mississippi
Grantham Family Cemetery, Lamar, Mississippi, USA
(cemetery names really don’t go in a location field but many people do it).

michele

From: sarlesinsi...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 3:47 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list revision

And when I do that, what happens to the detail I put in the @1 position (town 
or cemetery name, etc.)

Jane

On , cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote:




 Yes!  You CAN do it globally!  Go to the MASTER LOCATION List
 screen.   At the top right click OPTIONS.   Then click
 EXPAND/CONTRACT LOCATION PARTS.  Then on the right side check the box that
 says ADD USA (or add United States, whichever your prefer) and you are done



 michele






 From: sarlesinsi...@gmail.com

 Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 2:26 PM

 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com


 Subject: [LegacyUG] Master Location list revision






 I
 did a bad job on my locations early on. I have almost no genealogy data out of
 the country, so I ignored the USA part of the location and put the State
 there. Now, I see that it was a mistake and would like to change to the format
 as outlined on the training video.

 My question is: Is there a way to do
 this at all globally, or must I attack each entry in my whole location master
 list one at a time? That will take many days (even weeks) to accomplish, I'm
 afraid. Suggestions appreciated.

 Jane Sarles

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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list revision

2011-11-10 Thread cranberryfrog
No!  It won’t delete anything in that field, it will only add the , USA to the 
end.  The location field is set up to have 4 place holders but you can have 
more than that if you want.

16 College Avenue, Bloomington, Monroe County, Indiana
will become
16 College Avenue, Bloomington, Monroe County, Indiana, USA

michele



From: sarlesinsi...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 4:18 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list revision

So, if I have 16 College Avenue, Bloomington, Monroe County, Indiana and I 
convert it to Bloomington, Monroe County, Indiana, USA
I will lose the address, right?

Jane

On , cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote:




 It will effect anything in a location field.



 Purvis, Lamar, Mississippi

 will become Purvis, Lamar, Mississippi, USA



 If you have a cemetery name in a location field then this will
 happen...

 Grantham Family Cemetery, Lamar, Mississippi

 Grantham Family Cemetery, Lamar, Mississippi, USA

 (cemetery names really don’t go in a location field but many people do
 it).



 michele






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 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com


 Subject: Re: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list
 revision






 And
 when I do that, what happens to the detail I put in the @1 position (town or
 cemetery name, etc.)

 Jane

 On , cranberryf...@cobridge.tv
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  Yes!  You CAN do it
 globally!  Go to the MASTER LOCATION List
  screen.   At
 the top right click OPTIONS.   Then click
  EXPAND/CONTRACT
 LOCATION PARTS.  Then on the right side check the box that
  says
 ADD USA (or add United States, whichever your prefer) and you are done
 

 
 
  michele
 
 
 

 
 
 
  From: sarlesinsi...@gmail.com
 

  Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 2:26 PM
 
  To:
 LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 
 
  Subject: [LegacyUG]
 Master Location list revision
 
 
 
 
 

 
  I
  did a bad job on my locations early on. I have
 almost no genealogy data out of
  the country, so I ignored the USA
 part of the location and put the State
  there. Now, I see that it was a
 mistake and would like to change to the format
  as outlined on the
 training video.
 
  My question is: Is there a way to do
 
 this at all globally, or must I attack each entry in my whole location master

  list one at a time? That will take many days (even weeks) to
 accomplish, I'm
  afraid. Suggestions appreciated.
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list revision

2011-11-10 Thread cranberryfrog
Not USA state names.  On the right side there is a box that has

Add USA
Add United States
Remove USA and United States

Check the top one, Add USA and then click CONTINUE in the upper right corner.

michele

From: sarlesinsi...@gmail.com
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To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list revision

I created a copy of my data file and went to the Master Location list, check 
the expand/contract lcation parts in Options. In the next screen, I checked 
I checked add USA state names and clicked on Add USA. Nothing happened. The 
location names did not change. On the Location list screen, the select button 
is greyed out. I'm afraid I need very simple instructions.

Jane

On , Wendy Howard wendy.how...@gmail.com wrote:
 Why don't you make a copy of your Legacy file and test it out there?

 Working with your own file (albeit a copy in case you don't like the

 results) is the best way to see what the effect will be on your own data.



 File  Save Family File As



 Kind Regards,

 Wendy



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  And when I do that, what happens to the detail I put in the @1

  position (town or cemetery name, etc.)

 

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[LegacyUG] General vs. Research Notes

2011-11-08 Thread cranberryfrog
I use the general notes to write biographical narratives and I use the research 
notes to document my theories, things I am working on, negative results, things 
like that.

michele

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Re: [LegacyUG] Basic Legacy Family Tree Question(s)

2011-11-07 Thread cranberryfrog
You SHOULD start with yourself when entering information into a new
genealogy database program even if you are a long time researcher because
that is the best way to catch errors that you didn't notice before and as
you go through your file in a logical manner, you might see some connections
you didn't realize and break down some brick walls.

One of the best things I ever did was switch from FTM to Legacy not only
because Legacy is better but because it forced me to revisit all of my data
as I was trying to clean things up to Legacy's standards.  The potential
problems, county verifier and find duplicates is wonderful as well as
standardizing the locations.  It took FOREVER to go through my entire file
but it was so worth it.  I found all kinds of errors (most of them just
stupid stuff) but I also saw things I hadn't noticed before that helped my
research.

michele



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Re: [LegacyUG] FindAGrave search help

2011-11-07 Thread cranberryfrog
I am a big time Find A Grave contributor and I am excited about this!  Will
the program exclude people that already have burial information entered into
Legacy?

michele

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Subject: [LegacyUG] FindAGrave search help

Good morning,

I have been adding gravestones to FindAGrave for a while and wished
there was a way to search it for multiple individuals in my Legacy
family tree.  Thus I have written a program that reads the Legacy
database, then searches FindAGrave for potential matches.  I am making
it available to anyone interested.  I have a webpage (see below) that
explains the program and you can download it from there.  The program
works fine for my Legacy data.  I know that because Legacy is so
flexible, there are many ways to add your data.  If you have any
problems or suggestions for improvements, please send them to my email
(pd...@stny.rr.com).

https://sites.google.com/site/promanowiczsite/find-a-grave-for-legacy-family-tree


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Re: [LegacyUG] FindAGrave search help

2011-11-07 Thread cranberryfrog
Here is what I do (and I do deviate from Geoff on this).  For the burial
location I put the place [Purvis, Lamar, Mississippi, USA]  All of the
cemetery info goes in as an event [Cemetery].  If I have a photo of the
tombstone I attach it to the event.

michele

-Original Message-
From: Paul R.
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 10:04 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] FindAGrave search help

It does have an option but this is one of the places where Legacy
flexibility comes in.  I use the gravestones in sources as Geoff showed
us a few weeks ago but I also add them to the individual as 'burial'
pictures.  Thus I have coded into the program an option to 'skip' the
person if they have a 'burial' picture.

Paul

On 11/7/2011 8:41 AM, cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote:
 I am a big time Find A Grave contributor and I am excited about this!
 Will
 the program exclude people that already have burial information entered
 into
 Legacy?

 michele


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[LegacyUG] Mary Hill Webinar

2011-11-05 Thread cranberryfrog
This used to be my filing system but I have A LOT of documents that are on
people that are not in my direct line.  This system works better for those
researchers that stick pretty close to their direct lines only.  If you do
cluster genealogy to try and figure out who everyone is in a specific area
this won't work for you.  The other problem you will have is that you are
supposed to print a pedigree chart for each line as well as family group
sheets for every couple/file.  As you do research and make
changes/additions, you are constantly reprinting these.   I use a completely
different system now.

HOWEVER, I do like the 4 color option in Legacy which goes along with this
system and I like printing out my charts in 4 color.  It does help you to
keep your lines straight and it makes your charts look cool :) :)

Michele



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Re: [LegacyUG] CENSUS: Event or Source ?

2011-11-05 Thread cranberryfrog
I too record the census as an event because it is something that took place
at a specific time and a specific place.   I also use the census as a SOURCE
for the specific information on the record (name, date of birth, place of
birth, relationship to others in the family group) but I do not record
things like occupation or residence separately because that would be
redundant.

michele



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Re: [LegacyUG] loss of data

2011-09-22 Thread cranberryfrog
MessageAlan,
Does that mean you can’t share your file with ANYONE?  That goes completely 
against how genealogy works! We would be nowhere if we couldn’t share info!

michele

From: Alan Pereira
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:34 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] loss of data

Carl, I too raised a ticket on this subject and I think the developers are 
working on finding out when running check / repair after using the Interface 
that life events disappear as well as giving messages about finding Nulls.

All has gone quiet from the Support team on this since I rejected their request 
for a copy of my Legacy database on the grounds it would break European and UK 
Data Protection Law.

Alan (based in UK)


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Re: [LegacyUG] loss of data

2011-09-22 Thread cranberryfrog
MessageI am just saying, maybe there is an exception to the rule.

michele


From: Alan Pereira
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:03 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] loss of data

Michele, would you knowingly break a law that, in part, has been put in place 
to protect people from Identify Fraud?

Especially when those people are your relatives!

Alan


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Re: [LegacyUG] Change fie extension

2011-09-19 Thread cranberryfrog
What does it mean that he says he is subscribed but doesn't receive any
emails?  Does that mean we have to send him a message direct to his personal
email?  I don't think that is a good idea.  He just sends a question when he
feels like it and has no idea what we have been talking about on the list?
We could have just discussed this.  Why doesn't he just send a question to
tech support instead of the list?  I am not trying to be mean, I am just
asking why someone would have their email set up this way and why it would
be allowed.

michele


-Original Message-
From: Tony Rolfe
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:43 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Change fie extension

Hello all

The 1911 census web site saves file by default With the .jpe extension.
  Some times Legacy handles these OK and sometimes not.

I have found a way to make a mass change of all my actual files from
.jpe to .jpg but, before I do that, I need to know if there is a way to
rename the files in Legacy.  Pic Centre doesn't allow the renaming of
extensions, so I was wondering whether there is some other way, other
than running the check file names option and doing it manually.

Any advice would be appreciated

Thanks  Tony

PS I'm subscribed, but don't receive any e-mails, so I can't reply to
the thread.  Please don't change this as I really don't want to receive
lots more e-mails, but I'll have to give an advance thank you to
everyone who helps with this issue.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Change fie extension

2011-09-19 Thread cranberryfrog
So there are people that are subscribed, don't receive messages (on purpose)
and then read the archives?  Okay, I hadn't thought of that.

michele


-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 7:59 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Change fie extension

Michele,

A number of people have had a problem receiving posts even though
subscribed, Tony is simply is simply saying he does not wish to change this,
messages can still be read in the archives.

I have no recollection of receiving post specifically relating to either
.jpe files or the 1911 census, If I had I would not have responded. I have
also just checked the archives and that has no record of any posts either.
If it has been discussed I would be very interested to read the answers,
perhaps you can supply a link?

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 12:31 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Change fie extension

What does it mean that he says he is subscribed but doesn't receive any
emails?  Does that mean we have to send him a message direct to his personal
email?  I don't think that is a good idea.  He just sends a question when he
feels like it and has no idea what we have been talking about on the list?
We could have just discussed this.  Why doesn't he just send a question to
tech support instead of the list?  I am not trying to be mean, I am just
asking why someone would have their email set up this way and why it would
be allowed.

michele


-Original Message-
From: Tony Rolfe
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:43 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Change fie extension

Hello all

The 1911 census web site saves file by default With the .jpe extension.
  Some times Legacy handles these OK and sometimes not.

I have found a way to make a mass change of all my actual files from
.jpe to .jpg but, before I do that, I need to know if there is a way to
rename the files in Legacy.  Pic Centre doesn't allow the renaming of
extensions, so I was wondering whether there is some other way, other
than running the check file names option and doing it manually.

Any advice would be appreciated

Thanks  Tony

PS I'm subscribed, but don't receive any e-mails, so I can't reply to
the thread.  Please don't change this as I really don't want to receive
lots more e-mails, but I'll have to give an advance thank you to
everyone who helps with this issue.

Tony




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Re: [LegacyUG] Marriage To Cousins

2011-09-18 Thread cranberryfrog
I don't do anything different at all.  I have many cousin marriages.

michele


-Original Message-
From: Jerry
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 11:41 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Marriage To Cousins

Just curious what some of you might do to document marriages between
cousins.   Do you create a marriage event, and if so, what do you call
that event?  Thanks for your suggestions.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Marriage To Cousins

2011-09-18 Thread cranberryfrog
I don't write an added note only because you can readily see that the two
are related when you look at their parents.  I guess if I did a report that
I was going to give to someone else I would make a little note stating how
the two were related.

michele


-Original Message-
From: Jerry
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 9:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Marriage To Cousins

Some people on the list are way too jumpy.  The question has nothing to do
with legalities or ethics.  What I intended to ask is if anyone creates a
simple note as part of a custom event, such as married second cousin.
Right now, I do include a very short note, but I use the standard marriage
event, not custom.  That sounds right to me, especially after seeing your
comments.  Thanks!

cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote:

I don't do anything different at all.  I have many cousin marriages.

michele


-Original Message-
From: Jerry
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 11:41 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Marriage To Cousins

Just curious what some of you might do to document marriages between
cousins.   Do you create a marriage event, and if so, what do you call
that event?  Thanks for your suggestions.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources - Geoff's Method

2011-09-17 Thread cranberryfrog
Unless the people are completely sourced, I would not add them to my
database.  I would use the book as a starting point to do my own research.

michele

-Original Message-
From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 12:46 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources - Geoff's Method

I have a book which includes abt 6000 family members. Basically 300 pages of
FGS and notes, etc. I transcribed the whole book. Each person had a
different detail about them. The quantity from the book should not affect
which to include. USE ALL. Ihe computer doesn't get tired of too much or how
many. Which relatives will you leave out because there might be TOO MANY
from one source.
Rich in LA CA



--- On Fri, 9/16/11, Dean Adams dgadam...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Dean Adams dgadam...@gmail.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources - Geoff's Method
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Date: Friday, September 16, 2011, 12:16 PM
 Geoff includes all the info from a
 source in the source detail, whether the
 source is a census, obituary, etc.  How is a source
 such as a book of family
 history handled?  It contains pages and pages on many
 individuals and
 families.  This appears to be too much to include in a
 single source.

 Dean Adams

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Re: [LegacyUG] Which template

2011-09-15 Thread cranberryfrog
I put it in as a Internet - Database and Images.  I then deleted the word
database (because this one happens to be indexed images only) and then I
just put the important info in the detail.

michele


-Original Message-
From: Tim Rosenlof
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:05 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which template

Michele, what did you decide ? I just put in 'military' into the search
bar, ad was totally surprised. Over 350 entries. Jeepers

Tim

On 9/15/2011 9:59 AM, cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote:
 Family Search has released some new images that I am interested in.  The
 main database is

 Mississippi State Archives, Various Records, 1820-1951

 HOWEVER, within that image collection are smaller collections sorted by
 county.  What I am looking at is

 Military Grave Registrations, 1914-1941

 How would I source this?  Military records?  Cemetery Records?  These are
 images of handwritten cards that have a ton of info on them.Here is a
 transcription of a card, maybe that will help you decide what template to
 use...

 LAMAR, Co. PVt. 1ST CL. #1,594,511 White. W.W. ARMY
 BAREFOOT, ROWEN S. Born 1896 at Purvis, Miss
 Killed in action 10-5-1918 in France.
 ENLISTED. 6-22-1917. in Co. G. !ST MISS NG. TO Co. G.
 155TH INF. TO 15TH Co. June auto, repl. Draft. TO
 Co. F. 163rd inf. To Co. H. 109th inf. to Death
 next of kin. Mrs. Eliza Barefoot. (mother)
 Purvis, Miss.
 overseas from6-12-1918. To Death.

 Michele




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Re: [LegacyUG] How to enter census data into my Legacy records.

2011-09-14 Thread cranberryfrog
I add the images NOT to publish in a report but rather to make it easy for me 
to go back and examine the page without having to go through the process of 
finding it

michele


From: Syble Glasscock
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 11:07 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to enter census data into my Legacy records.

I tried adding one census image a while back, I was wondering how it would look 
on the webpage, and also wondering if this would come under copyright, since 
it's a published copy of the original.  Anyway, I was not pleased with how it 
looked on the webpage, so I've just not added anymore census images.  I thought 
the resolution or size might have to be change, but after watching the webinar 
on adding a census just now, he seemed to add it just as he found it from the 
internet.
Thanks,
Syble

  From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 5:41 PM
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to enter census data into my Legacy records.

  Syble,

  I'm afraid that I have only ever used censuses as Sources - I do not believe
  in duplication of data - so as far as what is the best way to do this is
  concerned I don't know, and I don't ever expect to know either :-)

  BTW. I have only just noticed that your question had not been answered,
  Initially, I left it thinking someone who uses the technique would answer!

  Ron Ferguson
  http://www.fergys.co.uk/

  From: Syble Glasscock
  Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 3:33 AM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to enter census data into my Legacy records.

  ..

  I've not attached the actual census to Legacy, just sourced it..  What is
  the best way to save an online census to attach it to our Legacy database?
  Thanks,
  Syble Glasscock


  Families Researching: Cline/Klein, Daniel, Newton, Witherspoon, Perryman,
  Gilbreath, Lindsey,  Brown, Foote, Curry, Fleming, Glasscock, Edwards,
  Waters, Wheat



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Re: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter for obituaries?

2011-09-14 Thread cranberryfrog
You can still use the newspaper template but because you don't know the name
of the paper, you will only be able to use this source for this one entry
(extreme splitter!).  Or, you can use the generic template or the basic
style for this one entry.

I always use the newspaper template for my obits.

michele

-Original Message-
From: Paula Ryburn
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 1:24 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter for obituaries?

I just entered an obituary for which I have an electronic copy of the
article
itself (unfortunately, without newspaper name, date or page).  I used the
Newspaper template, because the Death Records template didn't have
obituary as
a source, and I didn't see an Obituary template.  I had previously entered
an
obituary with SourceWriter, but it doesn't appear to be the Newspaper
template... and I don't see how to determine which template I used.  I like
the resulting format of the earlier-added obituary.  Can someone help me
find
out which template I used?  Or can someone recommend which template YOU use
for
obituariies?

I will add as a picture on death event for individual, but it is just a
source
for members of the family.
Thanks,
--Paula in Texas
Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman
Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field
Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes
Hurdle
Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche
Ryburn
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Re: [LegacyUG] Problems subscribing

2011-09-14 Thread cranberryfrog
Your message came through to the Legacy email list just fine

michele

From: Kathy Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 1:55 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Problems subscribing

Hello, and I have subscribed to this group more times than I can count using 
two email addresses.   I  don’t know if this will be received by the group as I 
don’t see any messages or receive any.  Could somebody contact me off list to 
tell me how to actually subscribe to the group and have it work, please.



Thanks.



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Re: [LegacyUG] census records

2011-09-13 Thread cranberryfrog
He puts the transcription in the source AND in the event notes.

michele

From: Donna Newell
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 5:20 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] census records

I participated in Geoff’s webinar on Census Records, but I don’t remember him 
saying if he also put the information in the notes just like the source.  Does 
anyone remember?  It seems like a lot to put in the resource or general notes 
section, but then how else do you visually see what was researched at a quick 
glance without going to the sources.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Invisible Embedded Dates ??

2011-09-12 Thread cranberryfrog
I have 7810 persons in my database.  They are all linked to me in 1 tree.

michele


-Original Message-
From: Tim Rosenlof
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:44 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Invisible Embedded Dates ??

Michele,

Just curious, how many ancestors/descendants are in your database ?

Tim Rosenlof


On 9/11/2011 7:55 PM, cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote:
 That is very strange.  I tried doing a search for any event dates after
 2010
 and I got no hits.  There is an option in the searches to search for
 modified date.  If you had chosen that by accident you could easily get a
 ton of people with 2010-2011 dates but they wouldn't be attached to an
 event.  I wonder if when you imported the GEDCOM something strange
 happened.

 michele

 -Original Message-
 From: Jerry
 Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 9:34 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Invisible Embedded Dates ??

 Hi there.  Where would those dates show up, Michele?  In my situation,
 the dates in question are INVISIBLE - I can't see them anywhere, but I
 can SEARCH for date contains 2010 (for example) and the records show up
 in my search criteria.  But going to the records does not show these
 dates anywhere.  Very weird.

 Another facet to this problem (and why I started to do these searches)
 is that there are some dates that do show up, such as 27 August 2010,
 etc., but they are attached to EVENTS that are completely blank.  So, I
 simply delete them, but I'm not sure how I can globally delete them
 because there is no event name.   Everything is blank except the dates.

 I do not have the luxury of starting anything over from my cousin's
 gedcom, etc., because I've already done major work on this file and it
 does not appear to be corrupt and the file I'm working on is well over
 10,000 individuals.  The information is good, other than this weird
 dating thing that I cannot explain.

 Has anyone ever experienced anything that resembles this at all?

 Thanks,

 Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org



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[LegacyUG] I know there must be an easy way to do this

2011-09-12 Thread cranberryfrog
I want to print out a three generation descendant report that only includes the 
direct line ancestor for the 2nd and 3rd generations.  I am working on my 
Compiled Genealogy for the Board of Certified Genealogists.  I cannot use the 
Legacy generated report.  The report has to be just so and I will not be able 
to manipulate Legacy to print out exactly in the right format.  I will be hand 
typing it in Word.  HOWEVER, I CAN use the Legacy report as an outline for me 
to follow.  The problem is, I can’t seem to figure out how to make it do a 3 
generation descendant report that only carries the direct line descendant to 
the next generation.  I do not want to follow all of the descendant lines.

michele

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Re: [LegacyUG] I know there must be an easy way to do this

2011-09-12 Thread cranberryfrog
As it was compiling, I stopped it at 106 pages   I have A LOT of info and a ton 
of sources.  That is why I want it to do the direct line only.

michele

From: Marnie Oakes
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Could you create the Legacy report in Rich Text format and then edit it to 
leave only the direct line using
Word?  That is how I ended up creating one Chronology/Timeline for five 
different individuals.  I did a lot of
cut and paste, but I ended up with what I wanted.
Marnie

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Re: [LegacyUG] I know there must be an easy way to do this

2011-09-12 Thread cranberryfrog
217 pages without a title page or index.  I don’t want to edit that.

michele

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Could you create the Legacy report in Rich Text format and then edit it to 
leave only the direct line using
Word?  That is how I ended up creating one Chronology/Timeline for five 
different individuals.  I did a lot of
cut and paste, but I ended up with what I wanted.
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Re: [LegacyUG] I know there must be an easy way to do this

2011-09-12 Thread cranberryfrog
I don't see an option under descendant report to do a report of just tagged
people?

michele

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Why can't you just use tagging? Tag the individuals you want and then
run a report on them.



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Re: [LegacyUG] I know there must be an easy way to do this

2011-09-12 Thread cranberryfrog
I don't see an option under descendant report to do a report of just tagged
people?

michele

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Why can't you just use tagging? Tag the individuals you want and then
run a report on them.



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Re: [LegacyUG] UnSourced Internet Trees

2011-09-12 Thread cranberryfrog
What you say is true.  I too did the same thing when I first started.  I am
only saying that you should not add unsourced material to your file so I
think we agree on that! (You said, I am critical to those that utilize
information located from any source without verifying it for themselves.)
The people that have unsourced info on Ancestry could have the best of
intentions but that doesn't mean you should just add that info to your file
without checking it out first.  The people on the Legacy list have gone out
of their way to join the list in order to learn how to do things the right
way so I was pointing out the right way :) :) :)   Legacy has many built in
tools to make this easier.  They also have a lot of great resources to get
the most out of the program and to learn the basic standards of recording
genealogy research (webinars, videos, this list etc.).  I was just advising
the poster to not add unsourced info from Ancestry to their file if they
want to do quality research.  If they don't care about quality and
credibility, then they can just copy away!

Hugs...
michele


-Original Message-
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Subject: [LegacyUG] UnSourced Internet Trees

Good Morning Michele,


As you well know, most folks start out in this hobby without any formal
training; just a curiosity as to where they came from.  Thus, they start
collecting information. It is only after they are bitten by the genealogy
bug hard enough to take a course or join a list similar to LUG; do they
learn the value of proper sourcing. Some of my early sources consists of a
name and invalid/out dated email address. It was only after I became serious
about the hobby did my source quality improve. Even today, I doubt that many
of my sources meet the standards set by Elizabeth Shown Mills. Please keep
in mind that this is a hobby for most of us which we do for our own
enjoyment and not to meet requirements set by others.

I am not critical of those who post the information. I am critical to those
that utilize information located from any source without verifying it for
themselves.


[]


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Re: [LegacyUG] I know there must be an easy way to do this

2011-09-12 Thread cranberryfrog
It worked!  I tagged 3 generations and exported.  The only thing that it had
to do was add the children of the one 3rd generation ancestor I am
interested in.  if I had added a 4th generation, it would have added the
children of all of his siblings too so I didn't do that.  I just went back
and tagged them and appended the import.  PERFECT!

Michele :)

-Original Message-
From: Dennis M. Kowallek
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 3:14 PM
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] I know there must be an easy way to do this

On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:08:54 -0700, Deborah Trounstine
dtrounst...@comcast.net wrote:

Why can't you just use tagging? Tag the individuals you want and then
run a report on them.

That's the ticket. But you may have to export the tagged individuals to
another Legacy database before running the report.

--

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Re: [LegacyUG] UnSourced Internet Trees

2011-09-11 Thread cranberryfrog
Tom,
At least you KNOW where the info came from and if I emailed you, you could
tell me.  I am talking about the gazillion people that will give the I
don't know answer or the I got it off of the internet somewhere answer.
I will say that in my experience you are the exception, not the rule.

michele

-Original Message-
From: Tom Watkins
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Subject: [LegacyUG] UnSourced Internet Trees



Ms. Michele Simmons Lewis, Staff Genealogist
McDuffie Mirror
Thomson, McDuffie Co, GA

My suggestion is that you Not use the information found on UnSourced
Internet Trees. Most of us need all the clues we are able to locate.
I have my tree posted at Roots Web without sources. I do Not have a source
for EVERY fact in my file. However, if anyone is interested in any of the
thousands of sources which I do have; they can simple drop me an
email.Perhaps this because I consider myself  a hobbyist and not a
perfectionist.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Invisible Embedded Dates ??

2011-09-11 Thread cranberryfrog
Well, I do know that Legacy will put in approx dates when you are using the
research guidance feature.

michele


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Subject: [LegacyUG] Invisible Embedded Dates ??

Hello everyone.  Has anyone on the list ever seen where Legacy would
embed invisible dates that show up when you do a SEARCH and REPLACE, but
when you go to the record, the dates are simply not there.  I'm sure it
has something to do with the gedcom import I got from my cousin to
combine with our master tree.  I thought maybe it was the date modified
or date imported, but that is not it.

What I'm doing is to put in the search function to SEARCH and REPLACE
(without actually doing the replace) for EVENT-DATES where the date
contains 2010 anywhere in the field.  I get quite a large number of hits
such as 8 September 2010, but none of the records has those dates in the
record anywhere I can physically see.  Weird thing I would like to get
to the bottom of.   Thanks, if you can help.
--
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Re: [LegacyUG] Census Data - Spreadsheet formats

2011-09-11 Thread cranberryfrog
WARNING!  I bought the census tools CD back in May.  It happened to be
defective but I wasn't worried about it, I would just get a replacement.  I
don't know what has happened to Gary but he has not responded to multiple
emails sent to the two email addresses I have (the one from his web site and
the one he is registered on Paypal with).  I didn't want a refund, just a
new disk!  I hope he isn't sick or anything because I can't believe he would
have ignored all of these emails.

michele


-Original Message-
From: Dick Nixon
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 4:18 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census Data - Spreadsheet formats

The Gary Minder Census Tools are still available$15.00 on CD for
all 40 SS. Seems like a real bargain if you use Excel.

Dick Nixon


 checking into.  My friend uses it and says it works great.
 http://genscriber.com/

 On 9/10/2011 10:31 AM, Chris CG wrote:
 I have found it very helpful to transcribe census information into
 spreadsheet format.  I use a variation of the CensusTools spreadsheet
 templates that Gary Minder used to offer for free.  Maybe someone can
 suggest a source for similar forms to standardize and record census
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Re: [LegacyUG] Switching from FTM to Legacy

2011-09-11 Thread cranberryfrog
Welcome, Jill :)

I did the same thing as you, I switched from FTM to Legacy (many years ago
now) and I spent a lot of time getting my data formatted in a more
professional way.  Wait until you run the potential problems report!
OVERWHELMING is the word :)   Also, do the county verifier.  FTM does not
(or at least did not when I had it) tell you when you have entered a county
name that didn’t exist at the time of the event.   You will like Legacy so
much better  :)

michele

From: Jill Groce
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 1:22 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Switching from FTM to Legacy

Hello everybody, I'm happy to meet you all.

I'm switching my genealogy research from Family Tree Maker to Legacy 7.5
after 15 years of work, starting with my father's file of 646 people. About
50 are ancillary and might be omitted, so say 600. My mother's file is
smaller and will be done later.

I loaded the FTM GEDCOM into Legacy. I'm working on a methodical way to go
through all my research and bring it up to a professional level, starting
with the citations. I collected sources from the beginning, so that helps.
I've edited footnotes and bibliographies for years, even before computers,
so I'm comfortable with them.

I'm stumbling over the process of working with people and families in
Legacy; data entry is a challenge. I'm on a painful learning curve with
everything I do online, having just started on Win 7, so I'll have to take
it easy as I get used to Legacy.

I love SourceWriter and the Clipboard. Hundreds of sources, notes, and
footnotes came over in the GEDCOM, I'm choosing what to keep, what to
delete, and when to start over; editing master sources and details; learning
to override without losing consistency.  I have a tendency toward
miscellany, so I started by choosing a family at random, correcting and
completing their citations, then choosing a second one and doing the same.
When I discover that information needs more work, I enter a task: read
handwritten page and type, study source for more data, verify or delete
shaky information,  reconcile discrepancies, whatever. It all has to be done
and I'm trying to stay on track and stick to the references.

My research has varied in quality, of course. I was diagnosed with ADD about
six years in. The task is monumental, but it's necessary.

I work as a copyeditor at home part-time. There will be days, even weeks,
when nothing gets done, but I'd like to journal (and maybe blog) about how
it's going—briefly. I don't need another task on top of The Project.

I'll have questions as I go, but I'll try to keep them to a minimum. Ideas,
advice and support will be welcome. Thank you for any assistance you might
give me. I'll be happy to help with information, lookups and research any
time I can.

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Re: [LegacyUG] How to enter census data into my Legacy records.

2011-09-10 Thread cranberryfrog
Roger,
I want to warn you about Ancestry.com.  It is a WONDERFUL resource for
DOCUMENTS.  It  is a terrible resource when you are relying on someone
else's family trees as the basis of your research.  You said it was easy
to find 2200+ ancestors.  I would guess that is because you were copying
what other people had in their family trees.   The problem with the family
trees on Ancestry is that 99.9% of the information on there is UNSOURCED.
You need a source for EVERY fact in your file.  Anything that doesn't have a
source is pretty much worthless and fiction.  That is one of the wonderful
things about Legacy, there is system in place to easily record your sources
in a consistent way.  I can't tell you how many times I have emailed or
messaged someone on Ancestry saying, Where did you get that birthdate?  I
have been looking for that for years!  and the answer I will get back is
either, I just copied it off of someone else's tree, or simply, I don't
know.  That information is WORTHLESS!   As a genealogy columnist and
instructor, this is my #1 pet peeve.   I have seen people download complete
GEDCOMS (unsourced) from the internet and just integrate it into their file,
WORTHLESS!  That isn't research.  Not only that but chances are pretty good
that it will be full of errors because the person you got it from didn't
bother to research anything either.

Now back to your original question...  If I were you, I would start my
database off FRESH in Legacy, one person at a time.  Start with yourself and
then work backward ONE GENERATION AT A TIME adding your sources as you go.
As far as the census records go, it is VERY easy to attach a census record
to your Legacy file.   All you have to do is save it at a pdf to your hard
drive and then attach it to your census event or to your source (or to both
as Geoff does).  No, all of the census records you have attached to your
Legacy account will not transfer over with one click but in my opinion, that
is a good thing.  You need to go back and review each person one at a time.
If you do this I will guarantee you will see some things that you didn't
notice before.

Michele Simmons Lewis, Staff Genealogist
McDuffie Mirror
Thomson, McDuffie Co, GA
[I added my full title just to give my opinion a little more oomph]



-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 9:25 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] How to enter census data into my Legacy records.

I started my ancestor quest 10 moths ago with ancestry.com
Even with my poor computer skills it was easy to find 2200+ ancestors.
I'm really hooked! I wanted a better way to keep and print records. I added
Legacy last month. I was disappointed when none of the actual census data
made the transfer to Legacy. Is it there some place I have not discovered? I
thought the census webinar
might tell me how to do it. It might, but there is far too much info on
filling in the blanks with things I don't want to tackle at this point. It
was very simple, even for a dummy like me, to add each census to my
ancestry.com records. Is there some simple way to add these records to my
Legacy records, or must I switch back to ancestry.com each time I want to
look at some census year for an ancestor? I have free US/Canada telephone if
some brave soul would like to try to walk me thru it.
Thanks
Roger Burt
near Charlotte, NC



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Re: [LegacyUG] How to enter census data into my Legacy records.

2011-09-10 Thread cranberryfrog
Oops, I said that census records are saved as pdfs, my boo-boo.  They are
saved as jpgs.

michele


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From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 7:34 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to enter census data into my Legacy records.

Roger,
I want to warn you about Ancestry.com.  It is a WONDERFUL resource for
DOCUMENTS.  It  is a terrible resource when you are relying on someone
else's family trees as the basis of your research.  You said it was easy
to find 2200+ ancestors.  I would guess that is because you were copying
what other people had in their family trees.   The problem with the family
trees on Ancestry is that 99.9% of the information on there is UNSOURCED.
You need a source for EVERY fact in your file.  Anything that doesn't have a
source is pretty much worthless and fiction.  That is one of the wonderful
things about Legacy, there is system in place to easily record your sources
in a consistent way.  I can't tell you how many times I have emailed or
messaged someone on Ancestry saying, Where did you get that birthdate?  I
have been looking for that for years!  and the answer I will get back is
either, I just copied it off of someone else's tree, or simply, I don't
know.  That information is WORTHLESS!   As a genealogy columnist and
instructor, this is my #1 pet peeve.   I have seen people download complete
GEDCOMS (unsourced) from the internet and just integrate it into their file,
WORTHLESS!  That isn't research.  Not only that but chances are pretty good
that it will be full of errors because the person you got it from didn't
bother to research anything either.

Now back to your original question...  If I were you, I would start my
database off FRESH in Legacy, one person at a time.  Start with yourself and
then work backward ONE GENERATION AT A TIME adding your sources as you go.
As far as the census records go, it is VERY easy to attach a census record
to your Legacy file.   All you have to do is save it at a pdf to your hard
drive and then attach it to your census event or to your source (or to both
as Geoff does).  No, all of the census records you have attached to your
Legacy account will not transfer over with one click but in my opinion, that
is a good thing.  You need to go back and review each person one at a time.
If you do this I will guarantee you will see some things that you didn't
notice before.

Michele Simmons Lewis, Staff Genealogist
McDuffie Mirror
Thomson, McDuffie Co, GA
[I added my full title just to give my opinion a little more oomph]



-Original Message-
From: n...@juno.com
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 9:25 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] How to enter census data into my Legacy records.

I started my ancestor quest 10 moths ago with ancestry.com
Even with my poor computer skills it was easy to find 2200+ ancestors.
I'm really hooked! I wanted a better way to keep and print records. I added
Legacy last month. I was disappointed when none of the actual census data
made the transfer to Legacy. Is it there some place I have not discovered? I
thought the census webinar
might tell me how to do it. It might, but there is far too much info on
filling in the blanks with things I don't want to tackle at this point. It
was very simple, even for a dummy like me, to add each census to my
ancestry.com records. Is there some simple way to add these records to my
Legacy records, or must I switch back to ancestry.com each time I want to
look at some census year for an ancestor? I have free US/Canada telephone if
some brave soul would like to try to walk me thru it.
Thanks
Roger Burt
near Charlotte, NC



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Re: [LegacyUG] How to enter census data into my Legacy records.

2011-09-10 Thread cranberryfrog
I agree with you, Randy.  If I see something that has potential but is 
unsourced, I will use that as a basis for my to-do list and I will also write 
it in my research notes.  I will not add it to my file until I know where the 
info came from.

michele


From: Randy Clark
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 7:48 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to enter census data into my Legacy records.

Sure, a lot of online data is garbage, but some is accurate, well-researched 
and well-sourced. You need to develop a discerning eye because even in the 
garbage there can be clues.

Randy


On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 7:34 AM, cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote:

  Roger,
  I want to warn you about Ancestry.com.  It is a WONDERFUL resource for
  DOCUMENTS.  It  is a terrible resource when you are relying on someone
  else's family trees as the basis of your research.  You said it was easy
  to find 2200+ ancestors.  I would guess that is because you were copying
  what other people had in their family trees.   The problem with the family
  trees on Ancestry is that 99.9% of the information on there is UNSOURCED.
  You need a source for EVERY fact in your file.  Anything that doesn't have a
  source is pretty much worthless and fiction.  That is one of the wonderful
  things about Legacy, there is system in place to easily record your sources
  in a consistent way.  I can't tell you how many times I have emailed or
  messaged someone on Ancestry saying, Where did you get that birthdate?  I
  have been looking for that for years!  and the answer I will get back is
  either, I just copied it off of someone else's tree, or simply, I don't
  know.  That information is WORTHLESS!   As a genealogy columnist and
  instructor, this is my #1 pet peeve.   I have seen people download complete
  GEDCOMS (unsourced) from the internet and just integrate it into their file,
  WORTHLESS!  That isn't research.  Not only that but chances are pretty good
  that it will be full of errors because the person you got it from didn't
  bother to research anything either.

  Now back to your original question...  If I were you, I would start my
  database off FRESH in Legacy, one person at a time.  Start with yourself and
  then work backward ONE GENERATION AT A TIME adding your sources as you go.
  As far as the census records go, it is VERY easy to attach a census record
  to your Legacy file.   All you have to do is save it at a pdf to your hard
  drive and then attach it to your census event or to your source (or to both
  as Geoff does).  No, all of the census records you have attached to your
  Legacy account will not transfer over with one click but in my opinion, that
  is a good thing.  You need to go back and review each person one at a time.
  If you do this I will guarantee you will see some things that you didn't
  notice before.

  Michele Simmons Lewis, Staff Genealogist
  McDuffie Mirror
  Thomson, McDuffie Co, GA
  [I added my full title just to give my opinion a little more oomph]




  -Original Message-
  From: n...@juno.com

  Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 9:25 PM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: [LegacyUG] How to enter census data into my Legacy records.

  I started my ancestor quest 10 moths ago with ancestry.com
  Even with my poor computer skills it was easy to find 2200+ ancestors.
  I'm really hooked! I wanted a better way to keep and print records. I added
  Legacy last month. I was disappointed when none of the actual census data
  made the transfer to Legacy. Is it there some place I have not discovered? I
  thought the census webinar
  might tell me how to do it. It might, but there is far too much info on
  filling in the blanks with things I don't want to tackle at this point. It
  was very simple, even for a dummy like me, to add each census to my
  ancestry.com records. Is there some simple way to add these records to my
  Legacy records, or must I switch back to ancestry.com each time I want to
  look at some census year for an ancestor? I have free US/Canada telephone if
  some brave soul would like to try to walk me thru it.
  Thanks
  Roger Burt
  near Charlotte, NC



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[LegacyUG] changing computers

2011-09-08 Thread cranberryfrog
I am switching my stuff over to a new laptop.  I know I have to download the 
standard version of Legacy to the new laptop but how do I tell it that I really 
have the full version?  I don’t remember the password if I have one.  I have 
had Legacy on this computer forever.  I am just saving my file and multimedia 
stuff on a flash drive and then I will open it on the new laptop and save it to 
the hard drive.

michele

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Re: [LegacyUG] Removing MRIN For Unmarried Individual

2011-09-05 Thread cranberryfrog
On the Family view, click on the marriage icon (the first 1 in the row below
your person's dates (born, died etc).  That box that pops up should be
empty.  Do you maybe see a marriage to Unknown?  If so, highlight it and
click delete.

michele


-Original Message-
From: s megraw
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 12:14 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Removing MRIN For Unmarried Individual



No, he has no children. I ran the Check/Repair and the problem still
exists..

Stan




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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy News Archives----was: Source Name Filing System

2011-09-02 Thread cranberryfrog
I just looked at the page Geoff suggested and I pretty much do the third
approach other than I don't give the documents a file number (I haven't
used the ID field in Legacy but that is still an option).  I have binders
for the different types of documents and then I file them alphabetically
within the binder.  I put labels on the outside of the sheet protector
(upper right corner) with all of the info so that I can easily flip through
and find what I am looking for (trying to strain your eyes on each documents
to find the right one is a bit much, even if they are in alphabetical
order).

michele

-Original Message-
From: Geoff Rasmussen
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 8:53 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Cc: 'Jenny M Benson'
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy News Archiveswas: Source Name Filing
System

At http://news.legacyfamilytree.com, in the Categories section on the right
(might have to scroll down a bit) click on the Organization link. There are
4 or 5 different organizational systems described there.

Geoff



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Re: [LegacyUG] Citing Sources

2011-08-04 Thread cranberryfrog
Joan,

You said, Moving next to marriage certificates,  there is no 'Marriage'
under
'Events'.  Ergo, I want to create an 'Event' called 'Marriage' with a
Master Source 'marriage certificates' and then list the details of
individual marriage certificates along with the details for a given
individual (again, using a template for consistency).  However, I can't
see how to edit 'Events' to include 'Marriage'.  I don't want 'Marriage
to be 'Unspecified' - that seems inappropriate.  Further, I would like
the two individuals who are married to share the same 'Source detail'

There is an easier way to do this.  The marriage is already listed as an
event of sorts.  You don't have to add an event to the events list.  To
the right of the marriage (where the date/place are recorded) you will see a
marriage sources button, a marriage events button (though I don't use that),
an marriage notes button and a picture gallery button.  All of these pertain
to the marriage specifically.  You can transcribe the entire marriage record
here, you can scan and attach the original document, you can record anything
you want here that pertains to the marriage itself.  I would keep the
marriage info OUT of the main events tab.  There is no reason to tangle them
up.  If I were to use the marriage events icon, I might attach a newspaper
announcement of the engagement, or the wedding announcement.  You can do
whatever you want.  My only advice is, keep the marriage stuff within the
marriage field and don't add marriage events to the main list of events if
that makes sense.

michele



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Re: [LegacyUG] Citing Sources

2011-08-04 Thread cranberryfrog
I DO use master sources but I attach them in the marriage area, not in the
main events area (does that make sense?)  Here are some of the marriage
sources I use

Marriage Records - AL - Alabama Marriage Collection, 1800-1969 (Ancestry
database)
Marriage Records - AL - Blount Co (licenses)
Marriage Records - AL - Mobile Co - Marriages of Mobile County, Alabama,
1813-1855 (book)
Marriage Records - AL - Pike Co (licenses)
Marriage Records - FL - Florida Marriage Collection, 1822-1875 and 1927-2001
(Ancestry database)
Marriage Records - FL - Hillsborough Co (licenses)
Marriage Records - GA - 37,000 Early Georgia Marriages (book)
Marriage Records - GA - 40,000 Early Georgia Marriages (book)
Marriage Records - GA - Columbia Co - Columbia County, Georgia Early
Marriage Records (book)
Marriage Records - GA - Columbia Co (licenses)

I just copied the first 10 entries.  I have a total of 39 (and I am a
lumper!)

michele



-Original Message-
From: Joan Kemp
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 5:16 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Citing Sources

Dear Michele,

Many thanks for this.  What you describe is what I've been doing up to
now, though without all the detail of witnesses etc - though, as you
say, they could easily be added.

I thought that using 'master sources' was the 'way to go'  but I'm
rapidly rethinking that it is really just extra clutter.  Your email is
very reassuring.  Thanks

Joan

On 04/08/2011 22:02, cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote:
 Joan,

 You said, Moving next to marriage certificates,  there is no 'Marriage'
 under
 'Events'.  Ergo, I want to create an 'Event' called 'Marriage' with a
 Master Source 'marriage certificates' and then list the details of
 individual marriage certificates along with the details for a given
 individual (again, using a template for consistency).  However, I can't
 see how to edit 'Events' to include 'Marriage'.  I don't want 'Marriage
 to be 'Unspecified' - that seems inappropriate.  Further, I would like
 the two individuals who are married to share the same 'Source detail'

 There is an easier way to do this.  The marriage is already listed as an
 event of sorts.  You don't have to add an event to the events list.  To
 the right of the marriage (where the date/place are recorded) you will see
 a
 marriage sources button, a marriage events button (though I don't use
 that),
 an marriage notes button and a picture gallery button.  All of these
 pertain
 to the marriage specifically.  You can transcribe the entire marriage
 record
 here, you can scan and attach the original document, you can record
 anything
 you want here that pertains to the marriage itself.  I would keep the
 marriage info OUT of the main events tab.  There is no reason to tangle
 them
 up.  If I were to use the marriage events icon, I might attach a newspaper
 announcement of the engagement, or the wedding announcement.  You can do
 whatever you want.  My only advice is, keep the marriage stuff within the
 marriage field and don't add marriage events to the main list of events if
 that makes sense.

 michele



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Re: [LegacyUG] Publishing an individual report

2011-08-04 Thread cranberryfrog
Did you use his father’s obit as a source for your individual, say, to prove 
the relationship or his name?  When I use an obit, I use it as a source for 
everyone named in the obituary.

michele

From: Kathy Jones
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 7:31 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Publishing an individual report

I am trying to publish a report for an individual and have run into some 
problems.



1. If I choose to add sources to the individual’s report I end up with some 
of the sources from his father.   Not all of the sources, but the obituary for 
the individual’s father is included as a source.

2. At one point the photo included with the burial information was there 
and then it disappeared.   I didn’t make any changes but the photo disappeared.

3. How do I add all the photos that are included in the picture folder or 
can I add only the preferred photo?



I know I can take the information and add it to a Word document, then insert 
all the pictures, but I wanted a quick publication with everything I had added, 
including photos and correct sourcing, but so far it isn’t happening.



Thanks.







Kathy Jones

Flying Needle Machine Embroidery

http://www.flyingneedle.ca

mailto:ka...@flyingneedle.ca


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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy file organization

2011-08-03 Thread cranberryfrog
No, not a fee, Leon.  Here is how it is going to work...  There WILL be some
databases that will be restricted.  To earn access you have to index at
least 900 records per quarter via the FamilySearch Indexing.  Each person
you index can earn you 1, 3, or 5 points depending on how difficult the
record is.  I am currently indexing approx 500-800 points per month (and I
am not even working hard) so I will have no problem gaining access to these
databases.  The LDS has not started the point system yet and we do not know
when they will.

The family tree portion of FamilySearch is not available to the general
public yet, only to the LDS and to selected LDS beta testers.  If you watch
Geoff's Webinar on cleaning up your Legacy file prior to FamilySearch
launching, you will learn a lot.  It is very much like the old Ancestral
File (not the IGI!)  but in a newer, easier to use format.  However, it will
have a lot of the same problems as the Ancestral File as Geoff points out.
He did say that you will be able to fix errors in a round about way (you can
ask the contributor to fix the error, you can delete sections, you can
choice which information is the correct info but be aware that other people
behind you can do the same thing).

We will just have to wait and see :)

michele

P.S. I am not LDS


-Original Message-
From: Leon Chapman
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 9:32 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy file organization

David:

I have exactly the same experience as you with familysearch.
It was better 3-5 years ago than it is today with no access.
I was told about 2 yrs ago the new system would be open to the public is a
few months - it has been about 2 hrs and no access.

They seem to have all these volunteers duplicating what is already available
commercially and placing that data into a restricted set of databases.  They
appear to be heading toward a fee based system with all their limited access
restrictions.

For me, as a non- LDS person, familysearch has very limited utility.

Sent from my iPad
Leon Chapman
chap...@gmail.com

On Aug 2, 2011, at 3:50 PM, David C Abernathy da...@schmeckabernathy.com
wrote:

 I signed up when it was first announced and gave the impression that
 EVERYONE would have access. It has been almost 2 years since this
 announcement and the NON members still do not have a working login.
 It has been a lot of hype and no production. There are many family
 research programs that now have the tools, but not access, it has been a
 waste of my time trying to use Legacy as it is designed to interface with
 Family Search. A real let down by Legacy and LDS church.

 I have found that most of the IGI are based on the membership of the
 church submitting their family data that was approved by the local Ward
 Clerk.. My father was this person for while. They were just a rubber
 stamp, as a GOOD Mormon would not provide false information. It was the
 word from SL that all submittals were to be approved as the information
 was needed good or bad.

 After digging into what my mother had, and had submitted it was a
 nightmare to clean and figure out where she was going with here data. None
 of her data was on a computer but it is ALL at Family Search and is still
 a mess. She could not even spell correctly her own surname of her line.

 Thanks,
 David C Abernathy
 Email disclaimers
 
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 -Original Message-
 From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 11:57 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy file organization

 The New Familiy Search is just trees contributed by members... It's
 much like the old IGI and best used for clues, IMHO.

 If you go to new.FamiliySearch.org, you can sign up to get on the list
 for a non-member log-in.  The only thing you'll not see once you get
 your log-in is the ordinance data for church members.

 The www.FamilySearch.org site is the one with all the really good
 stuff like scans and transcriptions!


 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree



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 da...@schmeckabernathy.com wrote:
 Tim,
 That is true, but if one can NOT access the NewFamilySearch what good
 does it do me?
 The OLD Family Search has some good information, but the real stuff is in
 the NEW area.

 Thanks,
 David C Abernathy


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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy file organization

2011-08-03 Thread cranberryfrog
Dennis,
I would bet that the FamilySearch volunteer indexers can get the 1940
indexed in 24 hours :)   They have put other record collections out there
and then announced it was important to get it done fast and if you didn't
get logged in quick enough, all the batches were already taken!

michele


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From: Dennis M. Kowallek
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 7:16 AM
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy file organization

On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 19:32:30 -0600, Leon Chapman chap...@gmail.com
wrote:

They appear to be heading toward a fee based system with all their limited
access restrictions.

I don't know if this is true, but I for one wouldn't mind paying a small
fee for the convenience of accessing the digitized records from the
convenience of my home. I used to pay $5 plus per FHL film and had to
drive 12 miles each way to be able to view films once a week for only 2
hours with no ability to make a copy (except if I used my own digital
camera).

I used to pay for Ancestry.com too, but have recently dropped my
subscription because I am finding enough info available for free on the
web to keep me busy. I will probably re-up my subscription to
Ancestry.com late 2012 once the 1940 U.S. Census starts to get indexed
sometime next year. (Maybe I need to get to work on a modification to
the Advanced Tag Living LTool to only tag individuals who appear to be
heads of households.)

--

Dennis Kowallek (LTools)
http://zippersoftware.com/ltools/index.htm
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[LegacyUG] a very strange thing!

2011-08-01 Thread cranberryfrog
Something weird started happening today.  If I try and save a picture to my 
Legacy Picture folder my browser shuts down!  It will shut down IE and Firefox. 
 (This is a picture that I am saving from a web page).   It will let me save 
the picture anywhere else without a problem.  Now the problem gets worse.  I 
try to just look in my Legacy Picture folder.  When I click on Pictures it 
takes forever for it to open but then it does.  But if I click on the subfile 
People (this is where I keep pictures of people) then I get a Windows Explores 
shut down.  It will not let me open the file folder at all.

I have done a scan disk.  I have done a defrag.  I have run my virus software.  
NOTHING.  I don’t know what else to do!

michele

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Re: [LegacyUG] a very strange thing!

2011-08-01 Thread cranberryfrog
I did do a restart.  I did get it fixed and I still can’t understand what was 
wrong.  Here is how I fixed it.  I copied the PICTURE folder onto a flash 
drive.  I had no problems opening up the files on the flash drive at all even 
though I still couldn’t open them on the hard drive.  It just keeps shutting 
down.  So, I deleted the PICTURE file from Legacy completely.  Then I copied 
and pasted the PICTURE file from the flash drive into Legacy and now it is 
working just fine.   I can’t understand why, if the file was corrupted in some 
way, it would allow me to copy the folder/files to a flash drive and they work 
fine.  Very odd.

michele

From: Don Varner
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 1:54 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] a very strange thing!

Does not sound like a Legacy issue since you can't open the files using windows 
explorer either.  First thing to do when this sort of thing happens is to 
totally shutdown and restart the computer.  I've always been told to shut it 
down and leave it set for a couple of minutes then do a restart.


On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Virginia Dunham geistdn...@gmail.com wrote:

  Michele:
  Have you run check and repair from Legacy's file maintenance???
  Virginia

  On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 1:20 PM, cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote:

Something weird started happening today.  If I try and save a picture to my 
Legacy Picture folder my browser shuts down!  It will shut down IE and Firefox. 
 (This is a picture that I am saving from a web page).   It will let me save 
the picture anywhere else without a problem.  Now the problem gets worse.  I 
try to just look in my Legacy Picture folder.  When I click on Pictures it 
takes forever for it to open but then it does.  But if I click on the subfile 
People (this is where I keep pictures of people) then I get a Windows Explores 
shut down.  It will not let me open the file folder at all.

I have done a scan disk.  I have done a defrag.  I have run my virus 
software.  NOTHING.  I don’t know what else to do!

michele






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Re: [LegacyUG] Single Source Citation link to multiple People and Events

2011-07-27 Thread cranberryfrog
How well I know that!  That is one of the disadvantages to being a lumper :(

michele

-Original Message-
From: Brian/Support
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 11:43 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Single Source Citation link to multiple People and
Events

Ron,

In the Legacy Tables there is a separate source detail entry each time a
detail is linked to a person or event for a person, albeit in your case
the details are identical there are multiple entries in the source
details table like this:

Person 1 Event 1 (Link to Master Source) Registration District Details
and the Date
person 1 Event 2 (Link to Master Source) Registration District Details
and the Date
Person 2 Event 1 (Link to Master Source) Registration District Details
and the Date
etc. for each time you link the source detail.

As you can see the contents of the Registration District Details and the
Date are repeated multiple times. If you discover later that there was a
typo error in the information when you entered the data you have to
visit each person/event combination and correct the typo for each entry.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
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Re: [LegacyUG] Filing Systems Obsolete?

2011-07-26 Thread cranberryfrog
The way I file my hard copies of documents is that I have a binder for each
TYPE of document and then I file them alphabetically.  For example, I have a
binder of death certificates.  He death certificate is is in one of those
see through sleeves.  On the outside of the sleeve and put a large label
with the info on it so I can go through the book quicker and find what I am
looking for.

I know that there are people that use the Legacy ID field to number their
documents and file them that way.

michele


-Original Message-
From: Connie Sheets
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 9:14 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Filing Systems Obsolete?

I think the extent to which one goes paperless is (or should be) a
function of how your brain works, the extent to which you have published
your work, and the extent to which you have arranged for (and trust) your
potential survivors to save your work.  (IMO, most people will have to think
harder about pitching your paper files and binders than they will about
ignoring or throwing away your computer).

While I no longer print everything, I certainly continue to maintain paper
files.  I particularly need to have paper copies of documents to analyze
complex problems of identity, resolve situations of conflicting evidence,
and identify potentially useful indirect evidence.

Your brain may work differently, but I would suspect that unless you are
under 30 years old or have a highly visual or technical way of thinking, you
may miss a lot of clues or errors if you never print out and compare
relevant documents side-by-side.  I see things missing or incorrect on
printed family group sheets, for example, that I never notice onscreen.

As for filing, a simple alphabetical system works just fine for me!

Connie


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Re: [LegacyUG] Filing Systems Obsolete?

2011-07-26 Thread cranberryfrog
I agree with you, Connie.  I think it is relevant and sometimes people go
overboard on what is on topic and what isn't.  The point is to talk about
things that will allow us to use Legacy to it's fullest potential.


michele

-Original Message-
From: Connie Sheets
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:00 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Filing Systems Obsolete?

So chastise Kristen, who originated this thread, and Michele, who responded
first, and all the others who have commented on this issue recently in
threads with other subjects, not just me, please.  You could have easily
responded without quoting me by name.

IMO, my post WAS relevant to the use of Legacy. If how (or whether) one
maintains paper files in addition to Legacy is not relevant, I'm not sure
what is.  Particularly if Legacy is advertising webinars on organizing.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Using Source Clipboard

2011-07-26 Thread cranberryfrog
The only time I use the 3 bar thing is when I am adding a new person.  For
example, let's say I am adding a new child found on a census records.  I hit
the 3 bar to source the name, and date of birth.  The event will already be
sourced because I set up the event on the head of household's page and then
just copy the entire event.  I have to manually source the relationship to
father and mother because the 3 bar won't source that.

michele


-Original Message-
From: mbstx
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:59 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using Source Clipboard

I'm sorry, but having that button apply to ALL events still makes no sense
to me, and it didn't the last time this subject came up.  I just decided to
never use that 3-bar icon as it can completely mess up how sources are
assigned.  M

-Original Message-
From: Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Jul 26, 2011 10:16 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using Source Clipboard

The Help file states:

Or, you can click 3-bar icon pictured here  to have Legacy
automatically assign the source to every field on the Information form
that is not blank.  (This also includes all events in the event
list.)


Dave works hard at writing the Help files. It would be awesome if
people took time to read them! rbg


This is how the Source Clipboard has worked since it was first created.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree



On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Randy Clark ceddaco...@gmail.com wrote:
 Which some would take to mean Vital events. The others are often added
 later, one at a time, with perhaps more thought given as to how  best to
 source them. And the symbols are to the immediate left of the primary
 events.
 Randy


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Re: [LegacyUG] Research Logs

2011-07-25 Thread cranberryfrog
Great suggestion, Ken!

Is their anyone already using Karen Clifford's method?  I looked at it on
her website and my only question is...  If you are using RINs and MRINs to
file your paper files,  I guess you can never compact your file but
reassigning unused RIN/MRIN numbers?  Also, I have 7800 people in my file
(and my file is small compared to many of yours!).  In Karen's info, she has
her notebooks divided up by 100s.  The  That is great if you have documents
for people in the first 500 RINS but what if I have a document for RIN 6592?
I would have to have dividers for 100, 200, 300, 400, 500, all the way up to
6500 just to file this document.

michele


-Original Message-
From: Ken
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 6:29 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Research Logs

Hi everyone,

Maybe this might be a good subject for a future Webinar.  'How Legacy's
To-Do list, Research Log and Calendar will help you to keep track of your
genealogical research'

This would be great follow on to the forthcoming Karen Clifford Webinar
'Organising for Success'.

Just an idea!

Regards,

Ken



-Original Message-
From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv [mailto:cranberryf...@cobridge.tv]
Sent: Monday, 25 July 2011 3:05 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Research Logs

Connie,

As part of section 3, Document Work, submit a research plan (one page or
less) describing the first steps for continuing research to resolve the
problem defined in 3_c. {Standard 5}.  You should

1) base the plan on clues found within the document and on sound research
methods, standard genealogical sources, and material specific to the area,
time period, and subject of this records; and

2) identify fully any publications, personnel, repositories, or records
(original, in print, or electronic) you would normal consult in following
that plan.


I really would like to use the Legacy research calendar because it really
looks nice but it is too spread out.  I won't be able to get my 10 sources
on one page.


Michele



-Original Message-
From: Connie Sheets
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 9:34 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Research Logs

The BCG does not require submission of a Research Log as part of the
certification portfolio.  Perhaps you are thinking of accreditation through
ICAPGen.

Although it won't look like a traditional research log, I concur with Sherri
that the To-Do feature is perfect for the purpose of a research log (and
more).  There are myriad ways to format the reports to make it less big and
clunky.

For those who prefer the traditional format, however, try:

http://www.family-passages.com/Tools.html

These are fillable in Excel.

Connie

--- On Sun, 7/24/11, cranberryf...@cobridge.tv
 The only problem I have with the
 Legacy Research log is that it is too big and clunky.  I have to make
 a research log for the BCG (Board for the Certification of
 Genealogists) and it can only be one page.  I have to be able to get
 about 10 entries on there.  I have been looking for a research log in
 Microsoft Word format but all I can find are pdfs which I can't type
 in.

 michele




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Re: [LegacyUG] Research Logs

2011-07-25 Thread cranberryfrog
Thanks for the info, Connie, I will check into it :)

michele

-Original Message-
From: Connie Sheets
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 9:33 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Research Logs

Michele,

We're getting off topic here, but I'll make one more public comment on this
in case others are pondering certification.

As I'm sure you realize, a research plan and a research log are not the same
thing.  I concur that a printout from the Legacy To Do feature is not
appropriate for this requirement, even if structured as a research plan. I'm
reasonably certain the BCG expectation is for a narrative, not a form. If
you have submitted your preliminary application, I'd strongly recommend you
ask for clarification on the applicants' mailing list.

Connie



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Re: [LegacyUG] Research Logs

2011-07-25 Thread cranberryfrog
That is the system that I used to use, and I agree, it does work well with
Legacy since you can color code your ancestors :)  In theory I liked it but
honestly, the files became cumbersome.  For your direct ancestors you would
have some files with nothing in there but a family group sheet.  The one
thing that I DID like about it, and I still use, are the location files.  I
have a whole file drawer with location files where I keep maps, cemetery
surveys, research guidance booklets from the FHL, and any other general
info.  There are labeled like this

USA - GEORGIA - LINCOLN CO
USA - GEORGIA - MCDUFFIE CO
USA - GEORGIA - RICHMOND CO
USA - MISSISSIPPI - FORREST CO
USA - MISSISSIPPI - LAMAR CO

Also, with Mary Hill's system and with Karen Clifford's system, they want
you to print out family group sheets and pedigree charts.  I don't like that
because I work in Legacy every day and I am constantly adding and
updatingThose family groups sheets and pedigree charts would need constant
updating taking away valuable time and money for printing!  I can easily
look up pedigrees and family group sheets in Legacy in an instant.  I much
rather just let Legacy handle that part :)

Many documents I no longer print (the biggest example are census records).
I can just turn them into pdfs and attach them in Legacy.  The only paper
documents I have any more are documents that I had to request or go get from
a courthouse.  I think both of the above systems were designed (and worked
well) for when people had many more documents than they do now.  Besides
online census records,  there are so many documents available online as
digital images that you can jpg or pdf that you no longer have to order hard
copies from archives and courthouse.Now with FamilySearch cranking out
digital images daily, I foresee even less of a need for such
complex/comprehensive filing systems.

Michele


-Original Message-
From: Tim Rosenlof
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 10:07 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Research Logs

I would like to give equal time to another filing system. The color code
that Legacy uses was built on Mary E. V. Hill organization system. I
have been to one of her demonstration seminar's. They are great !

Why not give her equal time ?

http://www.maryevhill.com/about.htm

Select training. From the new page, select lessons

Also look at the wiki.familysearch.org and:

https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Organizing_Your_Files

At the bottom, you will see Links to Other Sites about Organizing

FamilySearch

The last two will take you directly to the system.

Tim

==


On 7/25/2011 7:05 AM, Monica Palmer wrote:
 Michele,


 On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 8:47 AM, cranberryf...@cobridge.tv
 mailto:cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote:

 Great suggestion, Ken!

 Is their anyone already using Karen Clifford's method?  I looked
 at it on
 her website and my only question is...  If you are using RINs and
 MRINs to
 file your paper files,  I guess you can never compact your file but
 reassigning unused RIN/MRIN numbers?  Also, I have 7800 people in
 my file
 (and my file is small compared to many of yours!).  In Karen's
 info, she has
 her notebooks divided up by 100s.  The  That is great if you have
 documents
 for people in the first 500 RINS but what if I have a document for
 RIN 6592?
 I would have to have dividers for 100, 200, 300, 400, 500, all the
 way up to
 6500 just to file this document.

 michele


 -Original Message-
 From: Ken
 Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 6:29 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Research Logs

 Hi everyone,

 Maybe this might be a good subject for a future Webinar.  'How
 Legacy's
 To-Do list, Research Log and Calendar will help you to keep track
 of your
 genealogical research'

 This would be great follow on to the forthcoming Karen Clifford
 Webinar
 'Organising for Success'.

 Just an idea!

 Regards,

 Ken



 -Original Message-
 From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv mailto:cranberryf...@cobridge.tv
 [mailto:cranberryf...@cobridge.tv mailto:cranberryf...@cobridge.tv]
 Sent: Monday, 25 July 2011 3:05 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Research Logs

 Connie,

 As part of section 3, Document Work, submit a research plan (one
 page or
 less) describing the first steps for continuing research to
 resolve the
 problem defined in 3_c. {Standard 5}.  You should

 1) base the plan on clues found within the document and on sound
 research
 methods, standard genealogical sources, and material specific to
 the area,
 time period, and subject of this records; and

 2) identify fully any publications, personnel, repositories, or
 records
 (original, in print, or electronic) you would normal consult 

Re: [LegacyUG] Filing Systems Obsolete?

2011-07-25 Thread cranberryfrog
I agree with you completely.The only paper I am keeping are copies of
documents that I have received in the mail or I went to a courthouse to get
(though I try to take digital pictures of courthouse documents)

michele


-Original Message-
From: Kirsten Bowman
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 6:19 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Filing Systems Obsolete?


I used to print a great deal and file it all in 3-ring binders.  After
switching to Legacy some years back I found myself printing less and less.
Now I rarely print anything at all.  There are many reasons for going
paperless, but I think a major factor in the change has been Legacy itself.
My old software was clunky to navigate and had far fewer features.  I
believe that anyone who learns to use Legacy to its fullest potential can
see a way to do without most of that paper.  And if you have your data on a
portable device you don't need to haul binders along on research trips
either.  Filing is a pain, and the binders, dividers, and ink get
expensive..
Much better to do with less.

Kirsten




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Re: [LegacyUG] Research Logs

2011-07-24 Thread cranberryfrog
The only problem I have with the Legacy Research log is that it is too big
and clunky.  I have to make a research log for the BCG (Board for the
Certification of Genealogists) and it can only be one page.  I have to be
able to get about 10 entries on there.  I have been looking for a research
log in Microsoft Word format but all I can find are pdfs which I can't type
in.

michele



-Original Message-
From: Ken
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 3:47 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Research Logs

Hi Sherry, David  Tim,

Tim's question is one that's dear to my heart.

What software is around nowadays that has the ability to note down your
genealogical research in a format similar to the standard paper note keeping
form such as the often referred to 'Research Record Sheet' or
'Correspondence Record Sheet'?

At this time I have stumbled upon an old program titled 'Bygones' by Steve
Adair which was developed during the 1990s.  Unfortunately, the last time it
was updated was in
1999.  The software is available at http://www.bygonessoftware.com/  It
seems quite reasonable but we are talking about software programming and
technology that is now over twelve years old.

I'm sure that there must be more recent genealogical research software
around that enables us to enter research data and print out our research
results in the accepted Research  Correspondence Record Sheets.

As often is the case these days, I can type faster that I can write/print -
and I will admit that it is much neater as well.  What's more, when you are
using the internet for research it’s a bonus just to be able to copy the
information and place it in a Genealogical Research program.

Appreciate any recommendations from yourselves or other members on the LUG.

Regards,

Ken


-Original Message-
From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Saturday, 23 July 2011 9:07 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Research Logs

The To-Do List in Legacy makes an *excellent* research log!

You can create some *great* reports from the To-Dos you've entered.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree



On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Tim Rosenlof spa...@xmission.com wrote:
 How do you keep a Research Log. Electronic these days, or my good ol
 pencil and paper ? I am also finding a document that may have 50
 character urls .. ? These good ol hands are also wearing out do to
 a disease. I am aware of getting permission when using freeform (Ward
 could give comment here please) documents

 Thoughts welcome

 Tim


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Re: [LegacyUG] Research Logs

2011-07-24 Thread cranberryfrog
Thanks, Marc!

Michele

From: Marc Scott
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 8:24 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Research Logs

Family tree magazine has free forms in both PDF and text
http://familytreemagazine.com/freeforms

including research logs
http://familytreemagazine.com/info/researchforms

--- On Sun, 7/24/11, cranberryf...@cobridge.tv cranberryf...@cobridge.tv
wrote:

From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv cranberryf...@cobridge.tv
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Research Logs
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Date: Sunday, July 24, 2011, 6:55 AM


The only problem I have with the Legacy Research log is that it is too big
and clunky.  I have to make a research log for the BCG (Board for the
Certification of Genealogists) and it can only be one page.  I have to be
able to get about 10 entries on there.  I have been looking for a research
log in Microsoft Word format but all I can find are pdfs which I can't type
in.

michele



-Original Message-
From: Ken
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 3:47 AM
To: wlmailhtml:/mc/compose?to=LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Research Logs

Hi Sherry, David  Tim,

Tim's question is one that's dear to my heart.

What software is around nowadays that has the ability to note down your
genealogical research in a format similar to the standard paper note keeping
form such as the often referred to 'Research Record Sheet' or
'Correspondence Record Sheet'?

At this time I have stumbled upon an old program titled 'Bygones' by Steve
Adair which was developed during the 1990s.  Unfortunately, the last time it
was updated was in
1999.  The software is available at http://www.bygonessoftware.com/  It
seems quite reasonable but we are talking about software programming and
technology that is now over twelve years old.

I'm sure that there must be more recent genealogical research software
around that enables us to enter research data and print out our research
results in the accepted Research  Correspondence Record Sheets.

As often is the case these days, I can type faster that I can write/print -
and I will admit that it is much neater as well.  What's more, when you are
using the internet for research it’s a bonus just to be able to copy the
information and place it in a Genealogical Research program.

Appreciate any recommendations from yourselves or other members on the LUG.

Regards,

Ken


-Original Message-
From: Sherry/Support
[mailto:wlmailhtml:/mc/compose?to=she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Saturday, 23 July 2011 9:07 AM
To: wlmailhtml:/mc/compose?to=LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Research Logs

The To-Do List in Legacy makes an *excellent* research log!

You can create some *great* reports from the To-Dos you've entered.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree



On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Tim Rosenlof
wlmailhtml:/mc/compose?to=spa...@xmission.com wrote:
 How do you keep a Research Log. Electronic these days, or my good ol
 pencil and paper ? I am also finding a document that may have 50
 character urls .. ? These good ol hands are also wearing out do to
 a disease. I am aware of getting permission when using freeform (Ward
 could give comment here please) documents

 Thoughts welcome

 Tim


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