Re: Spam to Stop Spam
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:15:14 -0500 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoth Roger Oberholtzer: On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:00:54 -0500 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, surely, they wouldn't do something like *that*? My reaction exactly. But you gotta trust someone in these spam-filled days, no? True. Just not someone that sends spam. I was kidding about the trust thing. In fact, trust no one... -- ++···+ · Roger Oberholtzer · E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]· · OPQ Systems AB · WWW: http://www.opq.se/ · · Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 ·Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 · · 115 34 Stockholm · Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 · · Sweden · Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 · ++···+ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [Fwd: Red Hat Linux end-of-life update and transition planning]
Michael Hipp wrote: My plan (at this moment anyway) is to use RH Enterprise WS for smallish servers and Fedora for workstations. My biggest dilemma are those systems running 7.3 - 9 that will still need security updates for months/years to come. I'm not about to reload them anytime soon. Rumor is Fedora will supply security updates to take up the slack left by RH, but I haven't seen it confirmed. The Fedora legacy project can be reached at http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraLegacy. So far it looks like they'll still getting organized, but their plans are to support 7.3 and 9.0. Fedora support itself will run for three months after the release of a new version, which should make its life about nine months. BOF ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Spam to Stop Spam
Roger Oberholtzer wrote: I was kidding about the trust thing. In fact, trust no one... - Trust no one - Deny everything - The truth is out there Couldn't resist ! Sounds like the X-Files ! Regards, pascal chong ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Tuesday 04 November 2003 0:53 am, Joel Hammer wrote: I just bought SO 7 from the lindows warehouse. At $30 bucks I figured why not, SO6 works well. An immediate, and welcome difference, is that it starts up much faster. This is actually important for reading documents on the internet. And, wonder of wonders, it doesn't start a second instance of itself when you click on two documents in the file browser to edit. That was a pain in SO6. And it has a macro recorder as well as an editor. Now, this is progress. Has anyone used SO7? Any impressions? Tips? Thanks, Joel I'd like to know how they can sell it for $30 when Sun is selling it for $79.95 on their web site. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 11/04/03 08:38 + ++ The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 08:38:39 -0500 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 04 November 2003 0:53 am, Joel Hammer wrote: I just bought SO 7 from the lindows warehouse. At $30 bucks I figured why not, SO6 works well. An immediate, and welcome difference, is that it starts up much faster. This is actually important for reading documents on the internet. And, wonder of wonders, it doesn't start a second instance of itself when you click on two documents in the file browser to edit. That was a pain in SO6. And it has a macro recorder as well as an editor. Now, this is progress. Has anyone used SO7? Any impressions? Tips? Thanks, Joel I'd like to know how they can sell it for $30 when Sun is selling it for $79.95 on their web site. In Sweden at a normal-to-high priced on-line site, it is $50 ($63 with tax, yes folks, that is 25%), excluding shipping. On Sun's Swedish site it is $100. No indication of if that includes shipping. Maybe Sun wants to encourage the distributors? Generally a good thing. -- ++···+ · Roger Oberholtzer · E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]· · OPQ Systems AB · WWW: http://www.opq.se/ · · Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 ·Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 · · 115 34 Stockholm · Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 · · Sweden · Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 · ++···+ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 00:53:11 -0500 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just bought SO 7 from the lindows warehouse. At $30 bucks I figured why not, SO6 works well. An immediate, and welcome difference, is that it starts up much faster. This is actually important for reading documents on the internet. And, wonder of wonders, it doesn't start a second instance of itself when you click on two documents in the file browser to edit. That was a pain in SO6. And it has a macro recorder as well as an editor. Now, this is progress. Has anyone used SO7? Any impressions? Tips? Only negative experience. Since I get really good results with OpenOffice, I would never pay even $.02 for Star Office. You, on the other hand, may find some particular feature that makes the departure from open software worthwhile. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Novell buys SuSE!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mickey Hill writes Novell today announced it has entered into an agreement to acquire SUSE LINUX, one of the world's leading enterprise Linux companies, expanding Novell's ability to provide enterprise-class services and support on the Linux platform. Novell expects the transaction to close by the end of its first fiscal quarter (January 2004). This latest move follows Novell's August purchase of Ximian. - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 http://doug.hunley.homeip.net http://www.linux-sxs.org The software said it requires Windows 95 or better, so I installed Linux -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/p73R2MO5UukaubkRAiavAJ9yFvjaII9fHNKLbCX2ZuIOjcE2cQCfUvzc +5+7ZEmWXsO56r/4KeBptHw= =g4kR -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Novell buys SuSE!
On Tuesday 04 November 2003 06:55 am, Douglas J Hunley wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mickey Hill writes Novell today announced it has entered into an agreement to acquire SUSE LINUX, snip The people on the SuSE list are going berserk. Novell stock is up some 30% on the news. Somebody thinks it's a good idea. -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd Rather Be Sailing ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Novell buys SuSE!
Tony Alfrey wrote: The people on the SuSE list are going berserk. So are they glad or sad? Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Novell buys SuSE!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tony Alfrey wrote: The people on the SuSE list are going berserk. in a good way? or no? - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at linux-sxs.org) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://www.linux-sxs.org and http://jobs.linux-sxs.org I stayed up all night playing poker with tarot cards. I got a full house and four people died. -- Steven Wright -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/p8232MO5UukaubkRAmlJAJ953gUM9CZhg10WJ5LWQSMGZ+p2mgCfVnY5 lNP0PsE+ETkUSAn+cJx5f6E= =kSIv -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Novell buys SuSE!
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 07:31:08 -0800 Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 04 November 2003 06:55 am, Douglas J Hunley wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mickey Hill writes Novell today announced it has entered into an agreement to acquire SUSE LINUX, snip The people on the SuSE list are going berserk. Novell stock is up some 30% on the news. Somebody thinks it's a good idea. I'm one of those somebodies! With Novell's customer network and SUSE's fine linux products, this is a marriage made in heaven. Eat your heart out SCO! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Novell Announces Agreement to Acquire SUSE
in'eresting http://www.suse.com/us/company/press/press_releases/archive03/novell_suse.html ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Novell buys SuSE!
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:15:25 -0700 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm one of those somebodies! With Novell's customer network and SUSE's fine linux products, this is a marriage made in heaven. Eat your heart out SCO! The following is meant with a mixture of humor and seriousness. This is the same Novell that bought Unix from ATT and botched it? Our company has the good fortune of being the kiss of death to every Unix/Linux platform we have chosen. We have been wondering how SuSE was going down after we settled on it. Our 'heritage' for primary platform is: ATT SVR4 - ATT SVR4.2 - Univel UnixWare - Novell UnixWare - SCO UnixWare - Caldera OpenLinux - SuSE Linux. I would love to be wrong here. But ain't no arguing with history. We have even considered doing the world a big favor and going MS. -- ++···+ · Roger Oberholtzer · E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]· · OPQ Systems AB · WWW: http://www.opq.se/ · · Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 ·Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 · · 115 34 Stockholm · Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 · · Sweden · Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 · ++···+ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Novell buys SuSE!
On Tuesday 04 November 2003 09:05 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: snip ATT SVR4 - ATT SVR4.2 - Univel UnixWare - Novell UnixWare - SCO UnixWare - Caldera OpenLinux - SuSE Linux. snip Looks like you guys have bad kharma g. -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd Rather Be Sailing ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Novell buys SuSE!
On Tuesday 04 November 2003 08:03 am, Douglas J Hunley wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tony Alfrey wrote: The people on the SuSE list are going berserk. in a good way? or no? Well, as one might expect, there are two camps. The paranoid that see EVIL in all things corporate and see MS behind everything, and the optimistic capitalists that see the boost in investment and corporate clout as a counterbalance to Red Hat hegemony. And all gradations in between. But the total KB of SuSE list volume is up today by about 400%. -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd Rather Be Sailing ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Novell buys SuSE!
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:05:48 +0100 Roger Oberholtzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:15:25 -0700 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm one of those somebodies! With Novell's customer network and SUSE's fine linux products, this is a marriage made in heaven. Eat your heart out SCO! The following is meant with a mixture of humor and seriousness. This is the same Novell that bought Unix from ATT and botched it? Our company has the good fortune of being the kiss of death to every Unix/Linux platform we have chosen. We have been wondering how SuSE was going down after we settled on it. Our 'heritage' for primary platform is: ATT SVR4 - ATT SVR4.2 - Univel UnixWare - Novell UnixWare - SCO UnixWare - Caldera OpenLinux - SuSE Linux. I would love to be wrong here. But ain't no arguing with history. We have even considered doing the world a big favor and going MS. The feedback on Linux Today is a mixture of SCO take your [EMAIL PROTECTED] and stuff it, KDE will die (the Novel/XIMIAN connection), and bemoaning the loss of European control of a major linux distro. I would think(hope) that Novell has learned something since the Unix debacle. The initial press release indicates that Novell will push the desktop offerings. Since RedHat has chosen to concentrate on servers, this merger (if well executed) could provide the impetus to bring linux to a lot more of the commercial desktop user market. Maybe you won't need to signup with MS, Roger, to hasten the demise of MS! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
a good knoppix mirror
Does anyone have the url for a responsive knoppix mirror? I would like to refresh my copy, but every mirror I try seems to transfer about 3 bytes per minute. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Spam to Stop Spam
mutilated misquotes from Roger Oberholtzer's 4 Nov 2003 classic prose may follow: I was kidding about the trust thing. In fact, trust no one... Perhaps just a tad _too_ cynical. Always trust the dealer, and cut the cards. R -- http://www.quen.net Fix reason firmly in her seat and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there is one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear. --Thomas Jefferson ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Novell buys SuSE!
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 18:22, Tony Alfrey wrote: On Tuesday 04 November 2003 09:05 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: snip ATT SVR4 - ATT SVR4.2 - Univel UnixWare - Novell UnixWare - SCO UnixWare - Caldera OpenLinux - SuSE Linux. snip Looks like you guys have bad kharma g. Karma shmarma. We just make good choices... ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: a good knoppix mirror
Collins Richey wrote: Does anyone have the url for a responsive knoppix mirror? I would like to refresh my copy, but every mirror I try seems to transfer about 3 bytes per minute. http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/knoppix/ -- James McDonald Singleton Australia 61+ (0)2 65712401 61+ 0428 320 219 The nice thing about egotists is that they don't talk about other people. -- Lucille S. Harper Linux 2.6.0-james3 #4 Thu Oct 30 23:46:04 EST 2003 athlon i386 GNU/Linux 07:40:00 up 5 days, 6:40, 3 users, load average: 0.40, 0.25, 0.10 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Spam to Stop Spam
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:21:15 +0800 Chong Yu Meng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roger Oberholtzer wrote: I was kidding about the trust thing. In fact, trust no one... - Trust no one - Deny everything - The truth is out there Couldn't resist ! Sounds like the X-Files ! Don't know about the X-Files, but the saying goes: Admit Nothing Deny Everything Make Counteraccusations Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. Nemesis Racing Team motto GPG key autoresponder: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Novell buys SuSE!
Collins Richey wrote: The feedback on Linux Today is a mixture of SCO take your [EMAIL PROTECTED] and stuff it, KDE will die (the Novel/XIMIAN connection), and bemoaning the loss of European control of a major linux distro. I would think(hope) that Novell has learned something since the Unix debacle. The initial press release indicates that Novell will push the desktop offerings. Since RedHat has chosen to concentrate on servers, this merger (if well executed) could provide the impetus to bring linux to a lot more of the commercial desktop user market. Maybe you won't need to signup with MS, Roger, to hasten the demise of MS! Some of us remember what happened to DR DOS and Word Perfect after Novell bought them. It is not auspicious IMHO. -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Libranet 2.8 Debian Linux System LI ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Novell buys SuSE!
quoth Leon A. Goldstein: | Some of us remember what happened to DR DOS and Word Perfect after | Novell bought them. It is not auspicious IMHO. let's hope that there exists an ability to learn. as i understand it, ibm has just invested $50 million in novell, which certainly tells us something. -- dep Writing takes no time. It's finding something to say that takes forever. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: a good knoppix mirror
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 07:41:15 +1100 James McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: Does anyone have the url for a responsive knoppix mirror? I would like to refresh my copy, but every mirror I try seems to transfer about 3 bytes per minute. http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/knoppix/ Thanks, trying it now. It's a little faster than the others, but still not the speeds I'm accustomed to for downloads! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: backup windows partition (fat)
On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 06:48:16 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Reinehr wrote: Rather than purchase commercial software, why not just use tar, cp, dd, or partimage? Partimage will back up to a file, and restore a partition. Don't know about 'fat' partition support. I assume it's in there. http://www.sysresccd.org/systools.en.php looks like a nice set of tools that might help. Thanks, partimage is the answer! I was able to run partimage to save the win98 partition, swap out the drive, reboot and fdisk, then restore the image to the new drive. win98 comes up just fine. Unfortunately, after all is said and done, I only gained 2 gig! My spare drive wasn't as large as I remembered groan. Oh well, I'm sure I'll be doing this again when I have some spare change for a new drive. Thanks for the help. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Novell buys SuSE!
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:59:11 -0500 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quoth Leon A. Goldstein: | Some of us remember what happened to DR DOS and Word Perfect after | Novell bought them. It is not auspicious IMHO. let's hope that there exists an ability to learn. as i understand it, ibm has just invested $50 million in novell, which certainly tells us something. -- DRDOS just plain got MSDOS'd and WIN'd. At the time Novel was flailing around with WordPerfect, no one other than we afficionados really had a vision of linux as a desktop platform with any hopes of competing with MS, so Novel weren't willing to make the investment to do the conversion. According to other articles, IBM has much more riding on the deal than its 2% share would indicate. There are only two possibilities - Novel/SUSE will become a dominent player in the linux marketplace, or they'll go under. I'm betting on the former. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Question
On Monday 03 November 2003 04:18 pm, Rick Sivernell's voice rose above the ones in my head and stated: lIST I have a Dell Latitude cpx laptop. I have a pcmcia lan card now running perfectly, but a school they have setup a wireless system. It will auto on systems, my question is leave the lan pcmcia at home and use the wireless at school, what do I need to do to make this work? Can I do this, I assume so. I can get a new netgear wireless for $70.00, is this too much? If they are using encryption you generally need the passphrase or encryption codes to gain access to the wireless network. As far as cards go, I would recommend getting Orinoco. They right around the same price as the Netgear and I've have had good experiences with them. And make sure you get the same 802.11 standard your school is using or a multi standard card (which are more expensive). -- Tom Wilson Reg. Linux user# 199331 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
Well, I do pay a fee to belong to the lindows warehouse. And, I got only a download, not a boxed set. No user manual, CD, etc. So, Sun didn't have too much overhead selling me this thing. Joel On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 08:38:39AM -0500, Bruce Marshall wrote: I'd like to know how they can sell it for $30 when Sun is selling it for $79.95 on their web site. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 08:01:31AM -0700, Collins Richey wrote: Only negative experience. Since I get really good results with OpenOffice, I would never pay even $.02 for Star Office. You, on the other hand, may find some particular feature that makes the departure from open software worthwhile. I have come to the conclusion that my time is worth something. I am now 57, and have only about 5 to 10 years before I get too old to bother much with computers. So, saving time is becoming more important than politics. I am also of the opinion, at least for now, that the open source movement just will not be able to deliver the ease of use of commerical software. What volunteer programmer is going to knock himself out for hours so some lazy non-paying user can have a trouble free software experience? Too often, open source means take it or leave it, blemishes included. I have gotten tired of that. I tip generously at restaurants for good service, so I can't see why I shouldn't pay someone who writes software which saves my time. And, certainly, $30 bucks for a competent suite like Star Office is a bargain. I feel good about supporting both Sun and Lindows, too. Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Tuesday 04 November 2003 20:00 pm, Joel Hammer wrote: On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 08:01:31AM -0700, Collins Richey wrote: Only negative experience. Since I get really good results with OpenOffice, I would never pay even $.02 for Star Office. You, on the other hand, may find some particular feature that makes the departure from open software worthwhile. I have come to the conclusion that my time is worth something. I am now 57, and have only about 5 to 10 years before I get too old to bother much with computers. So, saving time is becoming more important than politics. I am also of the opinion, at least for now, that the open source movement just will not be able to deliver the ease of use of commerical software. What volunteer programmer is going to knock himself out for hours so some lazy non-paying user can have a trouble free software experience? Too often, open source means take it or leave it, blemishes included. I have gotten tired of that. I tip generously at restaurants for good service, so I can't see why I shouldn't pay someone who writes software which saves my time. And, certainly, $30 bucks for a competent suite like Star Office is a bargain. I feel good about supporting both Sun and Lindows, too. Joel Well gee... I guess at 65 and having bought from Sun, I feel 2. times better than you do... :-) -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 11/04/03 20:11 + ++ Friends: People who borrow my books and set wet glasses on them. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: backup windows partition (fat)
Collins Richey wrote: On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 06:48:16 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Reinehr wrote: Rather than purchase commercial software, why not just use tar, cp, dd, or partimage? Partimage will back up to a file, and restore a partition. Don't know about 'fat' partition support. I assume it's in there. http://www.sysresccd.org/systools.en.php looks like a nice set of tools that might help. Thanks, partimage is the answer! I was able to run partimage to save the win98 partition, swap out the drive, reboot and fdisk, then restore the image to the new drive. win98 comes up just fine. Unfortunately, after all is said and done, I only gained 2 gig! My spare drive wasn't as large as I remembered groan. Oh well, I'm sure I'll be doing this again when I have some spare change for a new drive. Thanks for the help. With Partimage you might need to resize the filesystem to get the full usage. I seem to remember that if the partition you are restoring to is bigger than the original, you will just use the needed amount. Not sure about that -- Ken ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
Joel Hammer wrote: On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 08:01:31AM -0700, Collins Richey wrote: snip I have come to the conclusion that my time is worth something. I am now 57, and have only about 5 to 10 years before I get too old to bother much with computers. Oh how you will rue the day you made that comment!! I think I'm getting a little slower (maybe was always slow, but not bright enough to realize it) but, I didn't get to monkey around with a real computer until I was about 60. I had to quit work when I was 2 years younge than you, but I still get some satisfaction trying to learn something. Bob PS I'm 67 your 10 more years. I figure I've got another 20. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
quoth Joel Hammer: | I have come to the conclusion that my time is worth something. I am | now 57, and have only about 5 to 10 years before I get too old to | bother much with computers. So, saving time is becoming more | important than politics. I am also of the opinion, at least for now, | that the open source movement just will not be able to deliver the | ease of use of commerical software. What volunteer programmer is | going to knock himself out for hours so some lazy non-paying user can | have a trouble free software experience? Too often, open source means | take it or leave it, blemishes included. I have gotten tired of that. | I tip generously at restaurants for good service, so I can't see why | I shouldn't pay someone who writes software which saves my time. And, | certainly, $30 bucks for a competent suite like Star Office is a | bargain. I feel good about supporting both Sun and Lindows, too. well, except for the part about being 57, which i guess i hope oneday to be able to say, though i'd just as soon the clock run backwards for 30 years or so, i agree with you. that's why i am so entirely comfortable with textmaker, which is not free, not open source, but is blisteringly fast and very, very stable and powerful. i've done three book proposals with it so far and a load of magazine pieces. i've been *really* unimpressed with openoffice, to the extent of toying with trying to reload staroffice 5.2 -- i use it when i use it for its really good graphics suite, which is all but absent from openoffice. -- dep Writing takes no time. It's finding something to say that takes forever. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
Bruce Marshall wrote: Well gee... I guess at 65 and having bought from Sun, I feel 2. times better than you do... :-) That's amazing ! I thought most of the people on this list were in their 30's, because you guys sound so young ! I'm probably the youngest here, I expect (I'm 34). But I am also very aware of time being in short supply , but money is also one of my main worries! Regards, pascal chong ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003, Chong Yu Meng wrote: Bruce Marshall wrote: Well gee... I guess at 65 and having bought from Sun, I feel 2. times better than you do... :-) That's amazing ! I thought most of the people on this list were in their 30's, because you guys sound so young ! I'm probably the youngest here, I expect (I'm 34). But I am also very aware of time being in short supply , but money is also one of my main worries! I started learning by making mistakes working on computers in February 1966 (a Bendix G-20 main frame), and have been doing *ix since late 1982. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Guns are no more responsible for killing people than the spoon is responsible for making Rosie O'Donnell fat.'' ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Tuesday 04 November 2003 21:16 pm, Chong Yu Meng wrote: Bruce Marshall wrote: Well gee... I guess at 65 and having bought from Sun, I feel 2. times better than you do... :-) That's amazing ! I thought most of the people on this list were in their 30's, because you guys sound so young ! I'm probably the youngest here, I expect (I'm 34). But I am also very aware of time being in short supply , but money is also one of my main worries! I don't think age is a big issue with computers...I've been working with them for 42 years... might as well keep on going... :-) My first computer had its only memory on a drum -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 11/04/03 21:19 + ++ It's as BAD as you think, and they ARE out to get you. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
quoth Chong Yu Meng: | That's amazing ! I thought most of the people on this list were in | their 30's, because you guys sound so young ! I'm probably the | youngest here, I expect (I'm 34). But I am also very aware of time | being in short supply , but money is also one of my main worries! money comes and goes. time just goes. -- dep Writing takes no time. It's finding something to say that takes forever. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
Did you adjust the memory settings under options - maybe that will help. I don't use SO but OpenOffice has them so I assume SO does. Joel Hammer wrote: Well, have found one drawback in SO 7. It won't open really big powerpoint presentations. On my lindows box with 620 megs, SO7 chokes on a ppt of 340 megs, although it opens a ppt of 150megs just fine. On my windows laptop, with 520 megs, powerpoint handles the large file fine, but it is slow to load. On my old Caldera box, with 800 megs, the smaller files load fine with SO 5.2. With 5.2 the large file loaded after about 10 minutes, but didn't function properly, and finally froze SO. So, this appears to be a limitation of SO, not the hardware. I can load large ppt's on an apple laptop at work, too, and they run fine. Wonder why SO can't handle the larger file? Joel -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003, Bruce Marshall wrote: On Tuesday 04 November 2003 21:16 pm, Chong Yu Meng wrote: Bruce Marshall wrote: Well gee... I guess at 65 and having bought from Sun, I feel 2. times better than you do... :-) That's amazing ! I thought most of the people on this list were in their 30's, because you guys sound so young ! I'm probably the youngest here, I expect (I'm 34). But I am also very aware of time being in short supply , but money is also one of my main worries! I don't think age is a big issue with computers...I've been working with them for 42 years... might as well keep on going... :-) My first computer had its only memory on a drum Sounds like either a Bendix G-15 or something from Univac. One thing that amazed me was walking into the computer room at the Naval Air Station, Whidbey Island, to find not only a Burroughs B-3800, the same type of main frame I managed for years, but an IBM 026 keypunch still in use. This was in 1995! The last time I had to use an 026 was in 1967 or thereabouts. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``If we got one-tenth of what was promised to us in these acceptance speeches there wouldn't be any inducement to go to heaven.'' Will Rogers ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
Well, have found one drawback in SO 7. It won't open really big powerpoint presentations. On my lindows box with 620 megs, SO7 chokes on a ppt of 340 megs, although it opens a ppt of 150megs just fine. On my windows laptop, with 520 megs, powerpoint handles the large file fine, but it is slow to load. On my old Caldera box, with 800 megs, the smaller files load fine with SO 5.2. With 5.2 the large file loaded after about 10 minutes, but didn't function properly, and finally froze SO. So, this appears to be a limitation of SO, not the hardware. I can load large ppt's on an apple laptop at work, too, and they run fine. Wonder why SO can't handle the larger file? Joel On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 12:53:11AM -0500, Joel Hammer wrote: I just bought SO 7 from the lindows warehouse. At $30 bucks I figured why not, SO6 works well. An immediate, and welcome difference, is that it starts up much faster. This is actually important for reading documents on the internet. And, wonder of wonders, it doesn't start a second instance of itself when you click on two documents in the file browser to edit. That was a pain in SO6. And it has a macro recorder as well as an editor. Now, this is progress. Has anyone used SO7? Any impressions? Tips? Thanks, Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: backup windows partition (fat)
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 17:28:28 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 06:48:16 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Reinehr wrote: Rather than purchase commercial software, why not just use tar, cp, dd, or partimage? Partimage will back up to a file, and restore a partition. Don't know about 'fat' partition support. I assume it's in there. http://www.sysresccd.org/systools.en.php looks like a nice set of tools that might help. Thanks, partimage is the answer! I was able to run partimage to save the win98 partition, swap out the drive, reboot and fdisk, then restore the image to the new drive. win98 comes up just fine. Unfortunately, after all is said and done, I only gained 2 gig! My spare drive wasn't as large as I remembered groan. Oh well, I'm sure I'll be doing this again when I have some spare change for a new drive. Thanks for the help. With Partimage you might need to resize the filesystem to get the full usage. I seem to remember that if the partition you are restoring to is bigger than the original, you will just use the needed amount. Not sure about that Yeah. Next time I do this I need to defrag the disk, then use parted to shrink it, since I have a fair amount of unused space that I won't ever use in the win98 partition. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 20:12:26 -0500 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 04 November 2003 20:00 pm, Joel Hammer wrote: On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 08:01:31AM -0700, Collins Richey wrote: Only negative experience. Since I get really good results with OpenOffice, I would never pay even $.02 for Star Office. You, on the other hand, may find some particular feature that makes the departure from open software worthwhile. I have come to the conclusion that my time is worth something. I am now 57, and have only about 5 to 10 years before I get too old to bother much with computers. So, saving time is becoming more important than politics. I am also of the opinion, at least for now, that the open source movement just will not be able to deliver the ease of use of commerical software. What volunteer programmer is going to knock himself out for hours so some lazy non-paying user can have a trouble free software experience? Too often, open source means take it or leave it, blemishes included. I have gotten tired of that. I tip generously at restaurants for good service, so I can't see why I shouldn't pay someone who writes software which saves my time. And, certainly, $30 bucks for a competent suite like Star Office is a bargain. I feel good about supporting both Sun and Lindows, too. Joel Well gee... I guess at 65 and having bought from Sun, I feel 2. times better than you do... :-) I don't know how to do the math. I'm 60 (+++) and have never bought any software for linux (---) since my first Caldera installation. I will probably die at the keyboard, but not anytime soon. I also tip generously, but I'm a cheapskate when it comes to software. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
AutoUpdate
Just found on freshmeat an interesting download and update package for RPM based systems that does dependency checking. http://www.mat.univie.ac.at/~gerald/ftp/autoupdate/index.html -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: a good knoppix mirror
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:09:36 -0700 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 07:41:15 +1100 James McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: Does anyone have the url for a responsive knoppix mirror? I would like to refresh my copy, but every mirror I try seems to transfer about 3 bytes per minute. http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/knoppix/ Thanks, trying it now. It's a little faster than the others, but still not the speeds I'm accustomed to for downloads! Ah, (not so sweet) remembrance of 56K modem days. Ouch! Six hours and 78% complete. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Question
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:07:58 -0500 Tom Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 03 November 2003 04:18 pm, Rick Sivernell's voice rose above the ones in my head and stated: lIST I have a Dell Latitude cpx laptop. I have a pcmcia lan card now running perfectly, but a school they have setup a wireless system. It will auto on systems, my question is leave the lan pcmcia at home and use the wireless at school, what do I need to do to make this work? Can I do this, I assume so. I can get a new netgear wireless for $70.00, is this too much? If they are using encryption you generally need the passphrase or encryption codes to gain access to the wireless network. As far as cards go, I would recommend getting Orinoco. They right around the same price as the Netgear and I've have had good experiences with them. And make sure you get the same 802.11 standard your school is using or a multi standard card (which are more expensive). -- Tom Wilson Reg. Linux user# 199331 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Tom Thanks -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Linux Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Novell buys SuSE!
Leon A. Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue, 04 Nov 2003 17:55:29 -0500 Collins Richey wrote: The feedback on Linux Today is a mixture of SCO take your [EMAIL PROTECTED] and stuff it, KDE will die (the Novel/XIMIAN connection), and bemoaning the loss of European control of a major linux distro. I would think(hope) that Novell has learned something since the Unix debacle. The initial press release indicates that Novell will push the desktop offerings. Since RedHat has chosen to concentrate on servers, this merger (if well executed) could provide the impetus to bring linux to a lot more of the commercial desktop user market. Maybe you won't need to signup with MS, Roger, to hasten the demise of MS! Some of us remember what happened to DR DOS and Word Perfect after Novell bought them. It is not auspicious IMHO. Back in those days Novell had other options and revenue streams. Those represented a attempt to move WAY out of their core business. Today things are different. Novell is flailing away in a desperate attempt to remain relevant in corporate IT and as a business. I think the acquisition nicely complements the only things they have left to offer their customers. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
Chong Yu Meng [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:16:09 +0800 Bruce Marshall wrote: Well gee... I guess at 65 and having bought from Sun, I feel 2. times better than you do... :-) That's amazing ! I thought most of the people on this list were in their 30's, because you guys sound so young ! I'm probably the youngest here, I expect (I'm 34). But I am also very aware of time being in short supply , but money is also one of my main worries! Grow up doesn't have to mean dry up. These good folks sound so young because they still get excited about learning new stuff. (Some of us are just getting selective about what new stuff to bother with.) My G'ma took her first computer class at 80. It never occured to her that she might be old until she helped sign her daughter up for senior citizens. I just assume that the list are all My kind of people and have fun with new stuff. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
