[OT] themes.org
Does anyone know what's up with themes.org? Since they switched the interface, there seem virtually no skins/themes availble any more when you click their items.. It gives me 2 mozilla skins, and 3 gkrellm skins. But if you browse everything together, there are a lot more, only without categories. The 'rover' thing is not doing much either... Is it me? Kind regards Guy ___ Get Your FREE FlashMail Address now at http://www.flashmail.com It's Free, Easy, Fun !!! ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [SLE] [OT] themes.org
On Wednesday 19 December 2001 12:16 am, Guy Van Sanden wrote: Does anyone know what's up with themes.org? Since they switched the interface, there seem virtually no skins/themes availble any more when you click their items.. It gives me 2 mozilla skins, and 3 gkrellm skins. But if you browse everything together, there are a lot more, only without categories. The 'rover' thing is not doing much either... Is it me? Kind regards Guy Think they did a major overhaul of the system, try looking through the forums as others are asking the same question. Hopefully it will pick up steam, but they need themes. I was working on one awhile ago, but as usual I took on too many projects at once. Matt Matt ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Win95 replacement
On Tuesday 18 December 2001 15:33, you wrote: Ok, I have received several replies and greatly appreciate the help and suggestions. Now I don't know whether to feel silly or glad. While re-doing all of the step that I have taken so that I could write down the messages, I was able to start the install via boot floppy and successfully installed mandrake. I can't figure out what has changed since, or maybe what I did wrong last time :) However, I still got the same error when trying to boot from the cdrom. While I would like to figure out the cause of the cdrom error, I have erased the evidence. Several people have asked about the CD player, it did work in windows and I was able to see the contents of it. In fact, I created the boot floppy with tools provided on the cd. Declan has inquired about the physical connection of the cd-rom which I will check after work today. Otherwise, here is the information requested and the steps taken when trying to boot from the cdrom. OK, if you got in, there's no big physical problem. 1. After failing to boot directly from Mandrake cd, Caldera cd, or RH cd, adjusted BIOS to boot starting with CD, then A:, then C: You couldn't boot from cdrom because you never set up for it! The closest you got was CD, (check C: first then D: or drive1 1st partition, Drive2 1st partition) It would have found a boot record on C: and run windoze :-(. If you had deleted or moved C:\command.com or io.sys, or msdos.sys, you would have got in :-/. Read the sigfile below. Yoyu couldn't run autoboot bat because your cdrom wasn't accessible under Dos. You (at a wild guess) were accessing this from a DOS prompt in windoze?? AFAIK, that isn't good enough. There is a question mark as to why it wouldn't start from a boot floppy was probably a dud floppy - install floppies are doubly fussy for some reason. -- Regards, Declan Moriarty Applied Researches - Ireland's Foremost Electronic Hardware Genius A Slightly Serious(TM) Company Experience is like a comb that Life gives you - AFTER all your hair has fallen out. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: koffice-1.1.1
What has stopped me was the download of koffice-1.1.1 for Caldera. It is compiled for 2.1; yes I know they have not released rpms for 2.2, but why release it at all, its a minor release and its meant to run on 2.2 ? I am at a loss to follow the thinking at Caldera these days. I would be back onto Caldera if they would only put out up to date releases, or put up files to download so as the user could do that. This paragraph and the numbers therein do not align. The koffice 1.1.1 Caldera packages are built against the latest set of KDE packages, for 2.2.1. Just seems that today many are working against each other rather than with some game plan, this release is just confirmation. Imho don't bother. We are not. Ciao, Marcus ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OTHapppy B-day Doug
On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:42:17 -0500 Michael Scottaline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 20:31:29 -0500 David A. Bandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:47:32 -0500 Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Computer games don't affect kids, I mean if Pac Man affected us as kids, we'd be sitting around in darkened rooms munching pills and listening to repetitive music. Hmmm. As I read this, I'm sitting in a darkened room munching MMs and listening to my favorite album over and over again. ??? David A. Bandel == Dark Side of the Moon??? How'd you guess? And more specifically, Comfortably Numb (my wife hates this song, but it's my favorite). Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto Internet (H323) phone: 206.28.187.30 ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OTHapppy B-day Doug
On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:19:16 -0500 David A. Bandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:42:17 -0500 Michael Scottaline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm. As I read this, I'm sitting in a darkened room munching MMs and listening to my favorite album over and over again. ??? David A. Bandel == Dark Side of the Moon??? How'd you guess? And more specifically, Comfortably Numb (my wife hates this song, but it's my favorite). Ciao, David A. Bandel Can't believe my wild guess actually hit the mark !! :o) A noted author, systems administrator par excellence, linux teacher (well I've learned much from your contributions ;-) ), cultivator of Panamanian soil, and your favorite album is about madness. Is there a common thread here?? g Happy Holiday to you and yours, David! Mike -- The great question... which I have not been able to answer... is, `What does woman want?' -- Sigmund Freud _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: more rpm ooops ot
On Tuesday 18 December 2001 08:49 pm,Collins Richey wrote: snip Then I discovered gentoo, snip Ah bliss! end of almost a rant Doesn't sound like a rant, sounds like it works. Does this mean that there are others besides RH, Caldera, Mandrake, SuSE (like Doug's favorite Redmond Linux) that are beginning to assemble something that is upgradable in a straight-forward newbie-able manner? -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd rather be sailing ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
any DNS gurus?
I need help debugging a CNAME and other data error.. takers? -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: http://linux.nf Admin: http://hunley.homeip.net Thank you. We're all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: any DNS gurus?
Douglas J Hunley wrote: % I need help debugging a CNAME and other data error.. takers? No guru, but I'll take a stab at it. K -- The cost of living hasn't affected its popularity. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Printer Recommendations
On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the inkjet drivers are binary only -- BFD); combine support with price and features, and Lexmark won hands down over Epson. Your comment has to be respected. A week is a long time in Linux? My comments are about 6 months stale. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: TID Re: ssh public key
On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 03:23, Net Llama wrote: What if I have a dish washer? That's ok. If you're a Mormon or Muslim. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Kernel build 2.4.16
--- Richard R. Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonni kernel.org has this: Stable Version: 2.4.11 at their dl site ( ftp ) ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/modutils/v2.4/modutils-2.4.11.tar.gz I can get it today if you think it would help, that is no proble. any special thing to be aware of in making this tarball? Grab the SRPM instead. It should be in the same location. I've built their SRPMs many times, and never had a single problem. A very clean easy install. = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [OT] themes.org
--- Guy Van Sanden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know what's up with themes.org? Since they switched the interface, there seem virtually no skins/themes availble any more when you click their items.. It gives me 2 mozilla skins, and 3 gkrellm skins. But if you browse everything together, there are a lot more, only without categories. The 'rover' thing is not doing much either... Is it me? Last I heard they were in the process of a major site overhaul, and then had funding slashed, which led to staffing cuts, and it all went downhill from there. I think the overhaul is still in the works, but is several months behind. = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Linux takeup
Folks, I've just come back from the Netherlands and I think many of you would be interested in the following (mercifully brief) observations I made while there. Europeans on this list would correct me, but these are impressions from an outsider. RS6000's are the name of the game. IBM have a big footprint. I was mildly surprised to see small flat boxes in the corner of just about any travel agent, small insurance office, even landscape gardening centers. I expected to see clusters of the usual wintel workstations and was mildly surprised to see the prevalence of single, AIX4 workstations, not clusters., just a single box doing it's job. The impression I got was NT? what's that? Big Bill is not a player there. (just an impression folks) Secondly, there is a push to migrate these boxen to AIX5L, read the letter L. It means Linux. Most (not all) of the IBM engineers I spoke to had a preference of converting there AIX4 supplied personal machines over to a Linux OS, there and then, for home use. It is common enough (like all engineering toads) to recieve the dregs from their customers. As upgrades were taking place to bigger better faster cpu's (based on the Motorola / IBM / Apple power PC), the older $7,000 boxes were given away, they were immediately 'upgraded' to Linux. There is a burgeoning, highly trained, skilled techno-hacker underpinning Linux in Europe. Thirdly, what Linux OS? Well here's more surprises for me. Not in the outcome, but the prevalance. Walk into just about *any* newsagent or bookstore, and they all have a computer section. Books, Software, Games, and, Operating Systems. In quantities stocked on shelves, Suse was 3:2 against Windows XP. Rehdat ran a poorish third. Only one bookstore stocked Caldera, there were no other distros I noticed (unless the Europeans use cunning packaging, or are French) Averaged prices were as follows in Dutch Guilders. (3 guilders= 1 dollar) Windows XP Professional *600 Windows XP Personal- Upgrade *300 SuSE 7.3 Professional *180 SuSE 7.3 Professional Upgrade *120 SuSE 7.3 Personal *120 Redhat 7.2*120 Some things to note, these weren't 'specials', these were walk in public mom and dad prices at the corner bookstore across Holland, not just Amsterdam. Average stocking on shelves was 3 x XP 5 x Suse 1 x Redhat It would be trite to say Windoze wasn't in the running. The massive games stockpile underpin it. But, the exposure to Linux was in your face and self evident. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Downloading behind a firewall with gnutella
David Aikema wrote: I've got to agree with you that file transfers at least are slow. I know my sister has a tendency to run bearshare in windows at times and there seems to be about 60-90% overhead when running the program. This leads me to my next question, is there any way to limit the amount of bandwidth a certain port can use when setting up a linux box as a gateway? Yes, but not for the fainthearted: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO-9.html Dave ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: any DNS gurus?
Douglas J Hunley wrote: I need help debugging a CNAME and other data error.. takers? Ask away. I happen to have the O'Reilly book here. The book says your zone file is broke (bet you knew that). You've given a name a CNAME record (made an alias), and also other records which is illegal since the NS will follow the CNAME record to the cannonical name. Other records for the alias aren't accessible. Here's the example: terminator2INCNAMEt2 terminator2INMX 10 t2 t2 INA192.249.249.10 t2 INMX 10 t2 So if you ask for the MX for terminator2, the NS will follow the CNAME record and give you the MX for t2. There's no way to get to the terminator2 MX, so it complains. Probably you can just remove any other records for entries that have a CNAME. HTH, Dave ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linux takeup
On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 05:05:21 +1130 Mike Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, I've just come back from the Netherlands and I think many of you would be interested in the following (mercifully brief) observations I made while there. Europeans on this list would correct me, but these are impressions from an outsider. major snippage Average stocking on shelves was 3 x XP 5 x Suse 1 x Redhat It would be trite to say Windoze wasn't in the running. The massive games stockpile underpin it. But, the exposure to Linux was in your face and self evident. = Verrry interesting, Mike. Thanks for the observations. I wonder what the feed back from our European friends on the list will be like. Do you happen to know what is used in their schools (or gymnasiums). I don't mean universities, or IT schools, but their regular high schools. What do their students get used to using? One of te key to MS success in the US is the near ubiquitous presence in the school systems [yes some schools use Macs, but increasingly it seems many more are moving to M$. I know; I've been working in the public school system for 28 years. Only the really interested computer types can be pursuaded to try linux (I have a few). Just my US$0.02, Mike -- The great question... which I have not been able to answer... is, `What does woman want?' -- Sigmund Freud _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT cool site
Ronnie Gauthier wrote: telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl -- Ronnie == snip Ronnie, Seems this has been around for a while. Check: http://www.asciimation.co.nz/ (Another guy here directed me to this) Andrew Mathews ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: make uninstall
Previously, Net Llama chose to write: I just noticed this project on Freshmeat called make uninstall. It does exactly as its name describes, allows you to cleanly uninstall packages that have been installed via the make install command. I haven't yet tried it out, but here's where you can get it: http://freshmeat.net/releases/65197/ Is it anything like Checkinstall? I was reading a little about that today. It's supposed to allow you to use rpm to keep track of things you install via tarball. Anyone on list use it? http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall-en.html ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Kernel build 2.4.16
On Wednesday 19 December 2001 08:05, Richard R. Sivernell enunciated: is that acpi not apic I do not find acpi is ups support Yes you did say that but make real sure you do need them, mine is disabled. -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: make uninstall
I use checkinstall all the time, and I really like it. It doesn't do all the things that a custom-built rpm can do (dependencies, for instance) but if all you want is to be able to easily uninstall a tarball installation it's great. On Wed, 2001-12-19 at 15:54, Tim Wunder wrote: Previously, Net Llama chose to write: I just noticed this project on Freshmeat called make uninstall. It does exactly as its name describes, allows you to cleanly uninstall packages that have been installed via the make install command. I haven't yet tried it out, but here's where you can get it: http://freshmeat.net/releases/65197/ Is it anything like Checkinstall? I was reading a little about that today. It's supposed to allow you to use rpm to keep track of things you install via tarball. Anyone on list use it? http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall-en.html ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: more rpm ooops ot
On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 05:23:42 -0800 Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 18 December 2001 08:49 pm,Collins Richey wrote: snip Then I discovered gentoo, snip Ah bliss! end of almost a rant Doesn't sound like a rant, sounds like it works. Does this mean that there are others besides RH, Caldera, Mandrake, SuSE (like Doug's favorite Redmond Linux) that are beginning to assemble something that is upgradable in a straight-forward newbie-able manner? Don't know about the newbie-able manner portion of that, but it's certainly straight-forward. Anyone who's lurked/contributed on this group for a while could certainly handle it, but a classic newbie straight from Windoze land might prefer a does everything for you distro. Redmond Linux is certainly easy, but I can't stand the bastardized KDE. The proof of the pudding will be when another phase-shift occurs with glibc that breaks all existing software (I don't know why they can't make them compatible). The gentoo setup will require relatively little tweaking to install a new system, but an upgrade with glibc in the middle is a near impossible thing. -- Collins Richey Denver Area - 12DEC2001 - WWTLRD? gentoo_rc6 k2.4.17-pre8+ext3+xfce+sylpheed+galeon ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linux takeup
[ snips ] On Thu, 20 Dec 2001 05:05:21 +1130 Mike Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, I've just come back from the Netherlands and I think many of you would be interested in the following (mercifully brief) observations I made while there. Europeans on this list would correct me, but these are impressions from an outsider. RS6000's are the name of the game. IBM have a big footprint. I was mildly surprised to see small flat boxes in the corner of just about any travel agent, small insurance office, even landscape gardening centers. I expected to see clusters of the usual wintel workstations and was mildly surprised to see the prevalence of single, AIX4 workstations, not clusters., just a single box doing it's job. The impression I got was NT? what's that? Big Bill is not a player there. (just an impression folks) Secondly, there is a push to migrate these boxen to AIX5L, read the letter L. It means Linux. Suspicions confirmed. I always thought the Dutch were intelligent people. -- Collins Richey Denver Area - 12DEC2001 - WWTLRD? gentoo_rc6 k2.4.17-pre8+ext3+xfce+sylpheed+galeon ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linksys Wireless Troubles
On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 16:15:32 -0800 Vern W Heesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed into the bitstream: [snip] What card? The linux-wlan-ng stuff will NOT work on hermes cards. All cards that run the hermes chipset (Orinoco and a pile of others) run WEP. Try this: iwconfig eth# key s:mycryptokey Now, any station not running WEP can't talk to you. Windoze stations will run with mycry. If you're using an Orinoco card, I suggest you upgrade your kernel (to at least 2.4.14), upgrade your wireless_tools (to at least wireless_tools.22.tar.gz) and also your /usr/include/linux/wireless.h. Caldera is hopelessly outdated in this arena. After you get stuff running, try: iwconfig eth# power on iwspy eth# IP_of_remote_system ping remote system iwconfig eth# you'll see some stats about how good your connection is. There's also a graphical utility you can use which shows you your SNR (signal to noise ratio). Ciao, David A. Bandel David, This sounds like a lot of work and I'm pretty new to linux, so..can you recommend a distro that may be more up to date? One that works well on a laptop? Oh, and I have the Linksys WAP11 and WPC11. Sorry. Every distro I've tried has had extremely poor support in the wireless area. I've tried several and _none_ work as is. Caldera is the closest, but still not good. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto Internet (H323) phone: 206.28.187.30 ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: make uninstall
Net Llama wrote: % I just noticed this project on Freshmeat called make uninstall. It % does exactly as its name describes, allows you to cleanly uninstall % packages that have been installed via the make install command. % % I haven't yet tried it out, but here's where you can get it: % http://freshmeat.net/releases/65197/ Hmm. Haven't used it myself, but I do know that many packages include an uninstall target (make uninstall) in their makefiles. Kurt -- Everyone talks about apathy, but no one does anything about it. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: another rpm ooops
On Wednesday 19 December 2001 00:10, Tony Alfrey enunciated: On Monday 17 December 2001 09:24 pm,Keith Antoine wrote: snip Many newer rpms will not work with that version 3.6 is the least theey work with. Thanks. The LlamaDude sent me out to get a 3.0.6 from the SxS. I looked at rpm.org and it looks the numbering is 3.0.blahblah until it kicks in to 4.0. So I assume that you also mean 3.0.6??? I'm fussing with that but have failed dependencies that I know I have. I'm tempted to get the source and compile the silly thing. Your suggestion?? As I said the other day add the paths to /etc/ld.so.conf and then call ldconfig -v. -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT cool site
Andy Mathews wrote: % Ronnie Gauthier wrote: % % telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl [snip, trim, clip] % Ronnie, % Seems this has been around for a while. Check: % http://www.asciimation.co.nz/ (Another guy here directed me to this) % % Andrew Mathews Andrew, Excellent. Thanks for the link! Kurt -- He flung himself on his horse and rode madly off in all directions ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: any DNS gurus?
Dave Anselmi babbled on about: The book says your zone file is broke (bet you knew that). You've given a name a CNAME record (made an alias), and also other records which is illegal since the NS will follow the CNAME record to the cannonical name. Other records for the alias aren't accessible. Here's the example: terminator2INCNAMEt2 terminator2INMX 10 t2 t2 INA192.249.249.10 t2 INMX 10 t2 So if you ask for the MX for terminator2, the NS will follow the CNAME record and give you the MX for t2. There's no way to get to the terminator2 MX, so it complains. Probably you can just remove any other records for entries that have a CNAME. that makes sense. I followed a thread on the bind list and found a discussion about this very thing... unfortunately, it's the dns at work... so the records are nasty, it's not really my job, and I've kinda been roped into it... sorta... on the plus side, if I get it to work, they are gonna dump the bind 4.x they are currently using, and not go ahead with cisco registrar like they want (they'll use my bind9) thanks for the offer (you to kwall). I *think* I got it figured out myself (as usually happens right after I post). but, you'll hear from me if I'm wrong.. ;) -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: http://linux.nf Admin: http://hunley.homeip.net die_if_kernel(Kernel gets FloatingPenguinUnit disabled trap, regs); 2.2.16 /usr/src/linux/arch/sparc/kernel/traps.c ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linux takeup
Michael Scottaline babbled on about: do their students get used to using? One of te key to MS success in the US is the near ubiquitous presence in the school systems [yes some schools use Macs, but increasingly it seems many more are moving to M$. I know; funny you should say that... *every* (and that is NOT an exaggeration) school district I've been in has been *entirely* mac-based. in fact, our district just spent *oodles* replacing every computer in the district with grape imacs.. (ugly fricking things). they act like a pc is some kind of sub-standard thing.. -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: http://linux.nf Admin: http://hunley.homeip.net But that's like saying that you know that you're going to build a car with four wheels and headlights - it's true, but the real bitch is in the details. - Linus ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: make uninstall
Tim Wunder babbled on about: Is it anything like Checkinstall? I was reading a little about that today. It's supposed to allow you to use rpm to keep track of things you install via tarball. Anyone on list use it? I use checkinstall all the time! wouldn't admin a box without it. HOWEVER, make sure you edit it's checkinstallrc to NOT strip executables. it will mess up certain things otherwise.. -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: http://linux.nf Admin: http://hunley.homeip.net Meeting, n.: An assembly of people coming together to decide what person or department not represented in the room must solve a problem. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: more rpm ooops ot
Collins Richey babbled on about: (like Doug's favorite Redmond Linux) that are beginning to assemble I've never used redmond... I like SuSE or linuxfromscratch... I just forwarded that piece cause I know several on here like/use/develop redmond -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: http://linux.nf Admin: http://hunley.homeip.net Programmer (n): One who makes the lies the salesman told come true. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: make uninstall
Douglas J Hunley wrote: % Tim Wunder babbled on about: % Is it anything like Checkinstall? I was reading a little about that today. % It's supposed to allow you to use rpm to keep track of things you install % via tarball. Anyone on list use it? % % I use checkinstall all the time! wouldn't admin a box without it. % HOWEVER, make sure you edit it's checkinstallrc to NOT strip executables. it % will mess up certain things otherwise.. It certainly ruins debugging, but a lot of corporate IT shops strip executables as a matter of policy (such as making reverse engineering more difficult). K -- Any clod can have the facts, but having an opinion is an art. -- Charles McCabe ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Fwd: Which One?
Forwarded from a newsgroup, but I'd like to know what you all think.. I've copied the author. Please continue to copy on replies... ,--- Forwarded message (begin) Subject: Which One? From: Kurtis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:44:35 -0500 I am a SysAdmin, but mainly management, and in an NT/Exchange environment. I will never get good at Linux as a result of hands on, day to day work. I have experience only with RedHat but have not used the GUI except for when I have to, as I want to learn the command-line. With books open in front of me, I have solved problems for which Linux was the solution, such as when my ISP sent out an upgrade which nuked my MS Internet Connection Sharing for my home network. I set up RH 6.2 as the gateway and downloaded Roaring Penguin PPPoE. It took me a month to figure it out, with my whole family yelling at me to restore their desktop Internet access. Talk about surly users. I think Linux has a place, even in today's coporate Microsoft environments. I learned how to set up and manage newsgroups, for example. I am having a lot of fun doing it. I sense that to learn what it is all about, I need to practice a lot, compiling and recompiling kernels (I don't know anything about programming beyond the Hello World stuff; basic shell scripts) and figuring out how to download/install different applications. I'd like to learn VI, Emacs etc., as well. In order to be innovative and try to introduce some features that Linux offers in my work environment, I'd like to be able to use the NSA secure kernel. RH basically sets itself up, which is good. But having described what I want to do I'd like to solicit feedback on which variety of Linux I should try, and maybe specific projects that I could work on to get a good, well-rounded view of Linux. I could use either an old laptop, or P-133 in the corner from work. Thanks in advance for any ideas. Kurtis `--- Forwarded message (end) -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: http://linux.nf Admin: http://hunley.homeip.net # Okay, what on Earth is this one supposed to be used for? 2.4.0 linux/drivers/char/cp437.uni ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: more rpm ooops ot
On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 21:45:38 -0500 Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey babbled on about: (like Doug's favorite Redmond Linux) that are beginning to assemble I've never used redmond... I like SuSE or linuxfromscratch... I just forwarded that piece cause I know several on here like/use/develop redmond Sorry, the comment about Doug's favorite wasn't from me. I haven't tried SuSE in years; do they still have the all-in-one mega-mondo-humonguous config file? I've always preferred adequate instructions for doing configs myself, or puzzle it out with a little help from my friends. LFS is good, but limited to command line stuff in the regular distro. Also I never liked the multiplicity of lists and the prevailing ATTITUDE (my way or the highway). Anyway, it would take a major bombshell to draw me away from gentoo. They are always quite current with updates of stuff that actually works. They're not the first to jump on the bandwagon for the latest KDE or GNOME craze, but as soon as most of the bleeding has stopped, they'll release a package. It took them a few tries to get galeon right, for example, but I'm sure glad I slogged through. Speaking of slogging, the latest koffice install is g++ing along in another window. -- Collins Richey Denver Area - 12DEC2001 - WWTLRD? gentoo_rc6 k2.4.17-pre8+ext3+xfce+sylpheed+galeon ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: Which One?
[ snips ] On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:06:27 -0500 Douglas J. Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forwarded from a newsgroup, but I'd like to know what you all think.. I've copied the author. Please continue to copy on replies... ,--- Forwarded message (begin) Subject: Which One? From: Kurtis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:44:35 -0500 I am a SysAdmin, but mainly management, and in an NT/Exchange environment. I will never get good at Linux as a result of hands on, day to day work. I have experience only with RedHat but have not used the GUI except for when I have to, as I want to learn the command-line. I sense that to learn what it is all about, I need to practice a lot, compiling and recompiling kernels (I don't know anything about programming beyond the Hello World stuff; basic shell scripts) and figuring out how to download/install different applications. I'd like to learn VI, Emacs etc., as well. In order to be innovative and try to introduce some features that Linux offers in my work environment, I'd like to be able to use the NSA secure kernel. RH basically sets itself up, which is good. But having described what I want to do I'd like to solicit feedback on which variety of Linux I should try, and maybe specific projects that I could work on to get a good, well-rounded view of Linux. I could use either an old laptop, or P-133 in the corner from work. Thanks in advance for any ideas. Just a few ideas Kurtis: * I'm sure Doug has already let the cat out of the bag: Join our user group (goto http://linux.nf) and make use of the Step by Step site. IT'S A LIFETIME LEARNING LAB. * A P-133 or an old laptop is going to be S-L-O-W going. I've gotten a lot of mileage out of my K6/II300 (originally 64Meg, now 196Meg), but that's as slow as I'd care to go. * I've tried many distros over the past three years, and each has its advotees (on this group as well), but my favorite is the one I currently use (http:www.gentoo.org) - gentoo. You might not like it too well on a P-133, because all the packages are downloaded on the fly and compiled from source. Some of the gui products like KDE and GNOME take upwards of 24 hours to compile on my machine. There is excellent documentation for installing the basic system, but you are your own sysadmin after that. It's a marvelous learning opportunity. * There's certinly nothing wrong with RedHat. You could stick with that and learn about compiling your own kernels, for example. If you have sufficient disk space, you could learn about setting up a multi-boot machine; that has the double advantage of learning and providing you with a playground to experiment. * If you want a simple gui environment to play with, try xfce which I use. Stick around, peruse the archives, and ask questions. Years ago you would get a lot of flak from the group if you asked the sort of newbie questions that I did, but the group has mellowed with time. -- Collins Richey Denver Area - 12DEC2001 - WWTLRD? gentoo_rc6 k2.4.17-pre8+ext3+xfce+sylpheed+galeon ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: Which One? [long]
Douglas J. Hunley wrote: Forwarded from a newsgroup, but I'd like to know what you all think.. I've copied the author. Please continue to copy on replies... ,--- Forwarded message (begin) Subject: Which One? From: Kurtis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:44:35 -0500 snip I sense that to learn what it is all about, I need to practice a lot, compiling and recompiling kernels (I don't know anything about programming beyond the Hello World stuff; basic shell scripts) and figuring out how to download/install different applications. I'd like to learn VI, Emacs etc., as well. In order to be innovative and try to introduce some features that Linux offers in my work environment, I'd like to be able to use the NSA secure kernel. Security at NSA is probably not what you think. Can you say Orange Book, C2, mandatory access control? That's the flavor of what's in their kernel. For typical sysadmin type security stuff, try bastille - scripts to harden a linux box (based on RH, but probably useful elsewhere too). RH basically sets itself up, which is good. But having described what I want to do I'd like to solicit feedback on which variety of Linux I should try, and maybe specific projects that I could work on to get a good, well-rounded view of Linux. I could use either an old laptop, or P-133 in the corner from work. Thanks in advance for any ideas. I would say there are 2 things you want to learn to be a Unix guru. One is how the basic system works. That means boot loaders, kernel modules, init, and boot scripts. What gets done, and why. The other is shell programming. How to get things done and what the common tools are to do them. Besides this list, consider installing Linux From Scratch (www.linuxfromscratch.org, and read their mail lists). Besides following the directions, read and understand them (man is your friend). Read and understand the boot scripts - what order do they run, what do they do, why? You'll get plenty of experience with the guts of Linux, not to mention INSTALL files, make, gcc, and shared libraries, your first time through. Following mail lists is a great way to pick up pointers to interesting tips or tutorials. But you learn best when you have a goal to reach. Building an LFS system is a rewarding goal and requires you to learn details, especially after you get the basic system installed. The SxS docs at http://linux.nf/stepbystep.html and the hints on the LFS site are good starters for installing anything they cover. An old machine may not be the best for LFS - you'll need 700-800MB+ of disk space and compiling takes time. But it can be done. Do you have a Linux users' group nearby? That's another good source of information and support (not to mention that Linux users know a lot of other useful stuff). Here are some easy wins to bring Linux into your office. You want a project that is useful to people but doesn't get much management support. So by using old hardware and free software, you get the project done without requiring any commitment and everyone benefits. - Music server. Large disks are fairly cheap, set up a Linux box with 10+GB, share out an audio directory using Samba, and show people how to rip CDs to mp3s. Put the mp3s on the server and everyone has a jukebox. Suitability depends on your office culture, and talk to a lawyer about copyright issues (with luck, a warning/disclaimer that puts liability on the users will be enough to keep the company happy). - Web server for intranet pages. Apache is easy to set up and will run on old hardware. Many offices would benefit from an intranet to facilitate internal communications. Even if you just put widely needed files out there, and index page to explain what they are can be useful. Something less official, like employee web pages might be nice. If your users don't know html, this isn't as useful, but many office programs can save documents as html. - On the lines of internal communications, take a look at twiki. Again, usefulness may depend on the office culture, but software developers should be comfortable with this. For less technical users, how about an IRC, ICQ, or instant messaging server? - Need pdf files, don't want to pay for Acrobat? Linux can make pdfs out of postscript, and the Windows 'print to file' feature generally produces postscript files. Samba can help automate the process. Be careful picking your project. You want it to be a success, which means it has to fit your users, your corporate culture, and your abilities. But if you have a good idea, you can start working on it little by little and wait until you can manage it to go public. I hope I haven't scared you off. I've been doing Linux hard core for only 4-5 months and I'm pretty comfortable with it. But I've also been dabbling for years, and my last programming job was heavy on shell scripting for 1.5 years. So sit back, relax, and get a BIG cup of
Re: Linux takeup
Douglas J Hunley wrote: funny you should say that... *every* (and that is NOT an exaggeration) school district I've been in has been *entirely* mac-based. in fact, our district just spent *oodles* replacing every computer in the district with grape imacs.. (ugly fricking things). they act like a pc is some kind of sub-standard thing.. Well, you don't expect them to be teaching computer science, do you? Much too hard. And if we go the other way towards easy, that's what Macs have a reputation for. Apple has always tried to encourage academic customers (the parochial school nearby has a lab full of Apple IIs!?!) Of course, I'm not sure what use computers are in schools, outside of computer science classes (for students, anyway, faculty is a different story). But that's another rant and I'm not an educator so I'll spare you... Dave ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linux takeup
On Wednesday 19 December 2001 08:49 pm, Dave Anselmi wrote: Of course, I'm not sure what use computers are in schools, outside of computer science classes (for students, anyway, faculty is a different story). But that's another rant and I'm not an educator so I'll spare you... Dave Good grief Dave! crawl out of your cave. How many times have students gone into a library requiring a certain text book to complete their asignment. Only to find that book won't be back until three days after their project due date. How about using an encyclopedia that is so outdated that the borders and names of some countries are incorrect. I do not know how things are done in your area, but here in the Okanagan valley a computer plus the internet equals one heck of a library at a students finger tips. The benifits are too numerous to list here, so to save bandwidth we'll end it here. Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B.C. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: another rpm ooops
On Wednesday 19 December 2001 06:21 pm,Keith Antoine wrote: snip On Monday 17 December 2001 09:24 pm,Keith Antoine wrote: snip Many newer rpms will not work with that version 3.6 is the least theey work with. snip As I said the other day add the paths to /etc/ld.so.conf and then call ldconfig -v. I got this the other day and didn't know exactly what you meant. Add the path to the library that rpm doesn't know about?? The library is in /lib along with 10 gazillion libraries. 1. Do I add JUST /lib/missing-lib or the whole nine yards of /lib ?? 2. How the f#$k does anything know about the libraries in /lib if they are not included in this /ld.so.conf file? 3. If I add the path, then run ldconfig -v, then install the rpm, can I then undo what I did to /ld.so.conf ?? This is a useful trick if it works since I'm sure I'll run into this problem again with some other rpm. Thanks -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd rather be sailing ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
koffice 1.1.1
Well, half of the stuff in kword doesn't work, and they've enable lots of debug messages. Jeez, it was slow enough before. plonk - removing now. I'll stick with open office. -- Collins Richey Denver Area - 12DEC2001 - WWTLRD? gentoo_rc6 k2.4.17-pre8+ext3+xfce+sylpheed+galeon ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
