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RE: Linux-users digest, Vol 1 #305 - 19 msgs
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Re: ext2/ext3
Ok, that's clear, but what about root partitions. Can they be converted from another distro? Or is that necessary? If I log in to redhat on hda6 and convert a few from there, then log in to libranet or something on say hda9 can I convert the redhat partition? Or am I just making this too difficult? What about older kernels? Will they just mount these ext3 partitions as ext2? And how does this relate to ReiserFS? (i'm off to rtfm. :^) On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:59:12 -0500 Douglas J Hunley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ken Moffat babbled on about: > > I have several ext2 partitions, and several questions. > > Can I make these ext2's into ext3's using tune2fs? > > using tune2fs is the only way to convert existing partitions. > simply unmount the partition, 'tune2fs -j /dev/xxx' > and then edit /etc/fstab to say ext3 instead of ext2. remount the partition, > good to go > > > Can I go back and forth? > > yes, but why? a kernel that doesn't know about ext3 should mount it as ext2. > the next time it gets mounted as ext3, the journal will get "caught up"> > > Can I change them using fstab settings? > > no. it so happens you can make it look like this by using type 'auto' but in > fact it is NOT changing the fs type. just mounting it incorrectly > > > Must I run fsck? > > nope. unless going from ext3 back to ext2. then it is *really* reccommended. > and in fact, fsck should run automagically in this case > > > Is any of this dangerous? > > nope. > > > Is there a step for this? > > this is pretty close. I could write one, but there really isn't much more to > it. > why not keep notes while you play and then submit them? > > > Thanks... > > no sweat. if you go this route, contact me directly with issues. I've done > the ext3 thing many times for a while now. > -- > Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 > Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://linux.nf > > You're not paranoid. > The world _IS_ fscked. > ___ > Linux-users mailing list > Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users > -- Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Attn: Doug Hunley re forum software.
On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:55:00 +1000 Keith Antoine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Douglas wern't you looking for something like this?? > > AnyBoard Forum > Rated: 3 Penguins - Category: TUCOWS Linux > Internet > Web Based > Applications > Version: 8.3 > License: Freeware > AnyBoard is a fully featured web community and collaboration tool > Try it: > http://lyris.tucows.com/cgi-bin/nph-t.pl?U=24774&M=425664&MS=41514 The local L.U.G. use[s,d] a WikiWiki board (http://calgary.linux.ca/) which seemed to work well, last I saw. -- Myles Green Calgary AB Canada Alberta Linux Step by Step Mirror: http://mylesg.homelinux.net/ -- USER, n.: The word computer professionals use when they mean "idiot". ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Microsoft Support
On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 22:37:48 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > How about: > > Mentally Crippled Self Evangelists - sort of what windows zealots > are! > > Keith B. > > "Condon Thomas A KPWA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > I have told them that MCSE stands for Must Consult with > >> Someone Else, > >> > > >> > Mouse Certified System Engineer > >> > >> Mandrake Consultant & Suse Expert > > > >My Certification Somewhat Exaggerated Mine-sweeper Consultant, Solitaire Expert -- Myles Green Calgary AB Canada Alberta Linux Step by Step Mirror: http://mylesg.homelinux.net/ -- USER, n.: The word computer professionals use when they mean "idiot". ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Attn: Doug Hunley re forum software.
Douglas wern't you looking for something like this?? AnyBoard Forum Rated: 3 Penguins - Category: TUCOWS Linux > Internet > Web Based Applications Version: 8.3 License: Freeware AnyBoard is a fully featured web community and collaboration tool Try it: http://lyris.tucows.com/cgi-bin/nph-t.pl?U=24774&M=425664&MS=41514 -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: (no subject)
On Friday 18 January 2002 22:16 pm, Kurt Wall wrote: > Scribbling feverishly on January 18, Sys Admin managed to emit: > > tsting > > wrkng > > K Say wht? -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 01/18/02 23:32 + ++ "Vital papers will demonstrate their vitality by moving from where you left them to where you can't find them." ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: mars_nwe
Kurt Wall wrote: > > Scribbling feverishly on January 18, Net Llama managed to emit: > > --- Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Is the the project dead? > > > > oook? > > "Is the [mars_nwe] project dead?" > > Don't know, but the technology is moribund. Kurt, Please refrain using words like "moribund" ... at least late in the evening on Fridays, I had to look it up. ;) http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=moribund -- Linux SxS [http://sxs.webhop.net/] ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Microsoft Support
Douglas J Hunley wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled on about: Not bad, I kinda watched this thread with amusement, in case nobody was keeping track here are the entries in no particular order, although possibly chronological. Must Consult with Someone Else, Mouse Certified System Engineer Must Confer with Someone Experienced Microsoft Certified Solitaire Expert Mandrake Consultant & Suse Expert My Certification Somewhat Exaggerated Mentally Crippled Self Evangelists My Capabilities Seriously Exaggerated -- Linux SxS [http://sxs.webhop.net/] ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: really stupid question about HTML
Ian wrote: > > Douglas J Hunley wrote: > > > > how would one construct an HREF to a specific newsgroup on a specific news > > server? > > I know HREF="news:news.somewhere.net"; will pull up the configured newsreader > > and attach to news.somewhere.net, but how do I get the newsreader to > > automagically load a specific newsgroup on news.somewhere.net? > > thanks Forgot something. All the gory details: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2396.txt ...has anyone seen one of these (an RFC) that doesn't hurt to read? -- Linux SxS [http://sxs.webhop.net/] ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: really stupid question about HTML
Douglas J Hunley wrote: > > how would one construct an HREF to a specific newsgroup on a specific news > server? > I know HREF="news:news.somewhere.net"; will pull up the configured newsreader > and attach to news.somewhere.net, but how do I get the newsreader to > automagically load a specific newsgroup on news.somewhere.net? > thanks news://news.somewhere.net/stepsite.somelists.freebsd-users";> ...replace with appropriate values. The actual syntax looks something like this in full: newsURL= scheme ":" [ news-site ] [ refbygroup | message ] scheme = "news" | "snews" | "nntp" news-site = "//" site "/" refbygroup = group [ "/" messageno [ "-" messageno ] ] message= local-part "@" domain as you can see, it's possible to be quite granular in you addressing, say automatically point them at the news server and a specific message number. -- Linux SxS [http://sxs.webhop.net/] ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: RE: Microsoft Support
[EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled on about:
> How about:
>
> Mentally Crippled Self Evangelists - sort of what windows zealots are!
My Capabilities Seriously Exaggerated
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Kurt Wall babbled on about:
> Scribbling feverishly on January 18, Sys Admin managed to emit:
> > tsting
>
> wrkng
thanks! see you in the morn
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RE: RE: Microsoft Support
How about: Mentally Crippled Self Evangelists - sort of what windows zealots are! Keith B. "Condon Thomas A KPWA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > > I have told them that MCSE stands for Must Consult with >> Someone Else, >> > >> > Mouse Certified System Engineer >> >> Mandrake Consultant & Suse Expert > >My Certification Somewhat Exaggerated > > > In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord, > > Tom :-}) > >+--+ >| Thomas A. Condonemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | >| Computer Engineer phone: (360) 315-7609| >| Barbershop Bass Singer Registered Linux User #154358| >+--+ > >___ >Linux-users mailing list >Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users > ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
really stupid question about HTML
how would one construct an HREF to a specific newsgroup on a specific news server? I know HREF="news:news.somewhere.net"; will pull up the configured newsreader and attach to news.somewhere.net, but how do I get the newsreader to automagically load a specific newsgroup on news.somewhere.net? thanks -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://linux.nf "Imagine if every Thursday your shoes exploded if you tied them the usual way. This happens to us all the time with computers, and nobody thinks of complaining." -- Jeff Raskin, interviewed in Doctor Dobb's Journal ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: (no subject)
Scribbling feverishly on January 18, Sys Admin managed to emit: > tsting wrkng K -- You will engage in a profitable business activity. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: mars_nwe
Scribbling feverishly on January 18, Net Llama managed to emit: > --- Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Is the the project dead? > > oook? "Is the [mars_nwe] project dead?" Don't know, but the technology is moribund. Kurt -- Lady Luck brings added income today. Lady friend takes it away tonight. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ext2/ext3
Ken Moffat babbled on about: > I have several ext2 partitions, and several questions. > Can I make these ext2's into ext3's using tune2fs? using tune2fs is the only way to convert existing partitions. simply unmount the partition, 'tune2fs -j /dev/xxx' and then edit /etc/fstab to say ext3 instead of ext2. remount the partition, good to go > Can I go back and forth? yes, but why? a kernel that doesn't know about ext3 should mount it as ext2. the next time it gets mounted as ext3, the journal will get "caught up" > Can I change them using fstab settings? no. it so happens you can make it look like this by using type 'auto' but in fact it is NOT changing the fs type. just mounting it incorrectly > Must I run fsck? nope. unless going from ext3 back to ext2. then it is *really* reccommended. and in fact, fsck should run automagically in this case > Is any of this dangerous? nope. > Is there a step for this? this is pretty close. I could write one, but there really isn't much more to it. why not keep notes while you play and then submit them? > Thanks... no sweat. if you go this route, contact me directly with issues. I've done the ext3 thing many times for a while now. -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://linux.nf You're not paranoid. The world _IS_ fscked. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ext2/ext3
dep babbled on about:
> needs to set up fstab such that / is ext3, but additional partitions
> may be set to "auto." (in suse, for reasons not yet translated from
the reason this works is because the 'mount' on SuSE is too old to be able to
autodetect ext3. so settng it to auto means that 'mount' INCORRECTLY
determines it to be ext2.
so, yes it works. but it ain't supposed to. and it *will* stop working once a
new e2fsprogs is released for suse
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Re: (no subject)
Jay Nugent babbled on about: > On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Sys Admin wrote: > > tsting > >It's not working... Some vowels are being dropped :-( good one ;) -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://linux.nf If NT is your answer, you don't understand the question ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: (no subject)
On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Sys Admin wrote: > tsting It's not working... Some vowels are being dropped :-( "Those that sacrifice essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Ben Franklin (1759) ++ | Jay Nugent [EMAIL PROTECTED](734)971-1076(734)971-4529/Fax| | Nugent Telecommunications [www.nuge.com] (734)649-0850/Cell | | Internet Consulting/Linux SysAdmin/Engineering & Design/ISP Reseller | | ISP Monitoring [www.ispmonitor.net] ISP & Modem Performance Monitoring | | Web-Pegasus[www.webpegasus.com] Web Hosting/DNS Hosting/Shell Accts| | LinuxNIC, Inc. [www.linuxnic.net] Registrar of the .linux TLD| ++ 8:00pm up 4 days, 2:25, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.01 ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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RE: mars_nwe
I'm not sure, but since it only supports NW3.x (bindery) filesharing it's not much in demand anymore. Especially since everything since Windows for Warehouses supports MS Networking (and thus Samba) out of the box. -Original Message- From: Chang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 4:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: mars_nwe Is the the project dead? -- The pivotal point is the "second chance", judged by another set of force and farce. In Linux We Trust -- http://linux.nf and news://news.hkpcug.org ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: mars_nwe
--- Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is the the project dead? oook? = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [Fwd: Screem]
On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:05:36 -0500 "David A. Bandel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:19:33 -0500 > Bruce Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed into the bitstream: > > [snip] > > > > Not related to your main questions, but you are aware that a > > Ctl-Alt-ESC in X will give you a skull-and-crossbones for a cursor? > > After getting that, just click in any window and that window will be > > killed. > > OK, well, it's not an X function. It's either a KDE (window manager) > function, or a Gnome (middleware) function. But this doesn't work in > Blackbox, Ion, or XFCE (my choices in order of preference). FWIW, I use xkill in XFce if I need to -- Myles Green Calgary AB Canada Alberta Linux Step by Step Mirror: http://mylesg.homelinux.net/ -- Unix is an operating system, OS/2 is half an operating system, Windows is a shell, and DOS is a boot partition virus. -- Peter H. Coffin ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [Fwd: Screem]
On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:19:33 -0500 Bruce Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed into the bitstream: [snip] > > Not related to your main questions, but you are aware that a > Ctl-Alt-ESC in X will give you a skull-and-crossbones for a cursor? > After getting that, just click in any window and that window will be > killed. OK, well, it's not an X function. It's either a KDE (window manager) function, or a Gnome (middleware) function. But this doesn't work in Blackbox, Ion, or XFCE (my choices in order of preference). Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto Internet (H323) phone: 206.28.187.30 ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
mars_nwe
Is the the project dead? -- The pivotal point is the "second chance", judged by another set of force and farce. In Linux We Trust -- http://linux.nf and news://news.hkpcug.org ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Congress to look at software liability?
DOUGLAS HUNLEY wrote: > -- 14 January 2002 Congress May Take New Look At Software Protection > from Product Liability For Security Flaws A friend was dealing with Code Red recover at work (why, I don't know, but he's not a Linux user so maybe he couldn't help it ;-) It occurred to me that it might be nice to bill MS for the time the recovery took (and have legal backing to do that). Perhaps this particular case is a little gray since a patch was available. But think about it. The way to accomplish this is with the consumer - don't buy software unless the company accepts responsibility for their bugs. Open Source says "no warranty", but it doesn't cost anything, either. So if you pay, demand a warranty. Well, if you asked MS for a warranty, what would they charge? After they gave you the bill, would you still buy? Probably not. Good software costs a lot. (I hear the space shuttle software is very good, and the most expensive per line. It also runs on hardware that is difficult to find (core memory, maybe?) because rewriting it for new hardware would cost too much to retest. NASA is very anal about that, and rightly so, I think.) So I guess that the state of software production just isn't ready for warranties. Maybe someday. Dave ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [Fwd: Screem]
Much thanks. Didn't know that, but iy sure will come in handy. Bruce Marshall wrote: > > On Friday 18 January 2002 17:13 pm, Lee wrote: > > Original Message > > Subject: Screem > > Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:11:12 -0500 > > From: Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Installed Mandrake 8.0 a while back and still investigating all the > > goodies that install with it in full install. One of these is a beastie, > > under internet on the menu, called Screem. Accessed to see what it did. > > I got some type of bootup screen featuring a woman in black and white in > > the act of screaming along with a bootup log that didn't boot. Lacking > > any type of tool bar the thing couldn't be shut down. Was forced to shut > > shutdown and reboot three times before it finally went away, but then a > > strange thing. The X server now takes a long time to come up and there > > is a long between logging in at the kde or gnome log in and the > > presentation of the kde/gnome window. After the desktop window finally > > comes up everything behaves normally. The questions are What the heck is > > Screem and what does it do? How does it boot? Once accessed how do you > > shut it down? And finally, what does it have to do with the X server? > > > > Lee > > Not related to your main questions, but you are aware that a Ctl-Alt-ESC in > X will give you a skull-and-crossbones for a cursor? After getting that, > just click in any window and that window will be killed. > > -- > ++ > + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 01/18/02 17:18 + > ++ > "An expert is someone from out of town." > ___ > Linux-users mailing list > Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [Fwd: Screem]
On Friday 18 January 2002 17:13 pm, Lee wrote: > Original Message > Subject: Screem > Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:11:12 -0500 > From: Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Installed Mandrake 8.0 a while back and still investigating all the > goodies that install with it in full install. One of these is a beastie, > under internet on the menu, called Screem. Accessed to see what it did. > I got some type of bootup screen featuring a woman in black and white in > the act of screaming along with a bootup log that didn't boot. Lacking > any type of tool bar the thing couldn't be shut down. Was forced to shut > shutdown and reboot three times before it finally went away, but then a > strange thing. The X server now takes a long time to come up and there > is a long between logging in at the kde or gnome log in and the > presentation of the kde/gnome window. After the desktop window finally > comes up everything behaves normally. The questions are What the heck is > Screem and what does it do? How does it boot? Once accessed how do you > shut it down? And finally, what does it have to do with the X server? > > Lee Not related to your main questions, but you are aware that a Ctl-Alt-ESC in X will give you a skull-and-crossbones for a cursor? After getting that, just click in any window and that window will be killed. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 01/18/02 17:18 + ++ "An expert is someone from out of town." ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
[Fwd: Screem]
Original Message Subject: Screem Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:11:12 -0500 From: Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Installed Mandrake 8.0 a while back and still investigating all the goodies that install with it in full install. One of these is a beastie, under internet on the menu, called Screem. Accessed to see what it did. I got some type of bootup screen featuring a woman in black and white in the act of screaming along with a bootup log that didn't boot. Lacking any type of tool bar the thing couldn't be shut down. Was forced to shut shutdown and reboot three times before it finally went away, but then a strange thing. The X server now takes a long time to come up and there is a long between logging in at the kde or gnome log in and the presentation of the kde/gnome window. After the desktop window finally comes up everything behaves normally. The questions are What the heck is Screem and what does it do? How does it boot? Once accessed how do you shut it down? And finally, what does it have to do with the X server? Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: [fsl-discuss] Standards: Register: Phillips moves to put 'poison' label on protected audio CDs
--- Tim Wunder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Douglas J Hunley wrote: > > Looks like Phillips actually has a clue! Go Phillips! > > > OK. I admit it. I'm confused... > If these "protected audio" CDs are playable in an ordinary CD player, > how, exactly, are they copy protected? Can't I just plug the output of > > my CD player into the input of my soundcard and record the audio as a > .wav, then burn it to CD? OK, here's a layman's explanation of how this all works. Don't ask me for the details, cause i don't remember them. Basically, your ordinary run-of-the-mill audio CD player (stereo etc) is only capable of playing audio CDs. If you feed it a data CD you'll get alot of staticky noise. Additionally, audio CD players aren't very picky about small errors on the CDs. A data CD player on the other hand needs to have the intelligence to detect & correct for data errors, because if you're working with data, you don't want everything to blow up just because a single bit is flipped. However, the ability to correct for errors is still limited. If 1KB of data is fubarred its going to barf on it. Problem is, the audio CDs with copy protection are basically loaded with intentional data errors. The thinking is that normal stereo CD players will just waltz along past the errors not knowing the difference, yet the CDROM drives will attempt, quite feverishly, to correct for the errors, and fail miserably, thus preventing reading of the audio CD, thus preventing copying of the audio CD. HTH, Lonni = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
SOLVED [Re: Xscreensaver-4.0]
*sigh* gtk-devel wasn't installed for some odd reason. This completely baffles me how that could be considering that i've built stuff in the recent past that needed the gtk headers & libs. At any rate, Xscreensaver-4.00 is now happily running on 2 of my boxes. Thanks to all for their advice & input. --- "David A. Bandel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:34:09 -0800 (PST) > Net Llama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed into the bitstream: > > [snip] > > > > Ugh. I've had [gtk|glib]-devel-1.2.10 installed for months, yet i > don't > > have glib.h installed. I've also got gnome-devel* installed. This > > looks to be leading down a dependency path of hell. > > Could I build against lesstif instead? Hrmmm...something like: > > ./configure --with-lesstif=? > > if you have glib-devel-* installed and you have no glib.h anywhere on > your > system, either: 1. glib.h was accidentally erased somehow (solution: > reinstall glib-devel-* --force) or 2. the RPM you installed is > terminally > borken. If this is the case, I'd confirm it, then send a bug report > to > whomever created it because without glib.h, might as well not have > glib-devel-* installed. > > Once you have glib.h on your system, your build should go just fine. = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: [fsl-discuss] Standards: Register: Phillips moves to put 'poison' label on protected audio CDs
Douglas J Hunley wrote: > Looks like Phillips actually has a clue! Go Phillips! OK. I admit it. I'm confused... If these "protected audio" CDs are playable in an ordinary CD player, how, exactly, are they copy protected? Can't I just plug the output of my CD player into the input of my soundcard and record the audio as a .wav, then burn it to CD? Please enlighten me. Tim ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: network/ limited number of ips
On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:32:02 -0600 "Schmeits, Roger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed into the bitstream: [snip] > > Why bootp? you assign a specific IP to a specific MAC. Tradeoff between a static IP and a completely dynamic one. You'll use dhcpd to do this, it just takes a little more setup. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto Internet (H323) phone: 206.28.187.30 ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: Fwd: [fsl-discuss] Standards: Register: Phillips moves to put 'poison' label on protected audio CDs
Sure, but that's lossy. The repeated digital-analog conversions distort the sound. If you then convert your .wav to .mp3 you'll probably have definite audible defects, and nobody wants that. That's why most tracks are ripped directly from CDA format into mp3. And that's what copy protection is designed to prevent. Manufacturers are also pushing towards digital audio, which in addition to removing digital-analog conversions within pc hardware would also allow them to prevent the kind of copying you're talking about. The digital connections would allow for "rights management" between devices. -Original Message- From: Tim Wunder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 11:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fwd: [fsl-discuss] Standards: Register: Phillips moves to put 'poison' label on protected audio CDs Douglas J Hunley wrote: > Looks like Phillips actually has a clue! Go Phillips! OK. I admit it. I'm confused... If these "protected audio" CDs are playable in an ordinary CD player, how, exactly, are they copy protected? Can't I just plug the output of my CD player into the input of my soundcard and record the audio as a .wav, then burn it to CD? Please enlighten me. Tim ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: [fsl-discuss] Standards: Register: Phillips moves to put 'poison' label on protected audio CDs
On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:01:55 -0500 Tim Wunder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed into the bitstream: > Douglas J Hunley wrote: > > Looks like Phillips actually has a clue! Go Phillips! > > > OK. I admit it. I'm confused... > If these "protected audio" CDs are playable in an ordinary CD player, > how, exactly, are they copy protected? Can't I just plug the output of > my CD player into the input of my soundcard and record the audio as a > .wav, then burn it to CD? No. Apparently, they will play in one of them Sony Walkman CD players, but not in your computer CD player/burner, unless that player is also a DVD player. But Phillips wants _all_ CD players to be able to play the music. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto Internet (H323) phone: 206.28.187.30 ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: [fsl-discuss] Standards: Register: Phillips moves to put 'poison' label on protected audio CDs
Indeed this is most excellent & interesting. I believe this also appeared on /. a few days ago. --- Douglas J Hunley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Looks like Phillips actually has a clue! Go Phillips! > > -- Forwarded Message -- > > Subject: [fsl-discuss] Standards: Register: Phillips moves to put > 'poison' label on protected audio CDs > Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:13:05 -0800 > From: "Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: FSL Discuss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > 2002.01.18: Register: Phillips moves to put 'poison' label on > protected > audio CDs > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23736.html > > By John Lettice > Posted: 18/01/2002 at 13:19 GMT > > Netherlands giant Philips Electronics has lobbed a grenade into > the > audio copy protection arena by insisting that that CDs including > anti-copying technology should bear what is effectively a plague > warning. They should in Philips' view clearly inform users that > they > are copy-protected, and they shouldn't use the "Compact Disc" logo > because they are not, in Philips' considered view, proper compact > discs at all. > > [...] > > Meanwhile, the second barrel of the Philips shotgun is CD burning. > In a Reuters interview Gerry Wirtz, general manager of Philips' > copyright office, said that the company would be building CD > burners > that can read and burn copy protected CDs. He argues that the > protection system is not a protection system as such, but simply a > mechanism for stopping the playback of music. This interesting > claim > allows him to contend that the protection systems are not covered > by > the Digital Millenium Copyright Act, and lays the ground for the > mother of all sue-fests with the number of large and rich > companies > who are most certainly not going to agree with him. Tin hats all > round. ® > > -- > Karsten M. Self <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ > What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the > brave > http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/Land of > the free > We freed Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! > http://www.freesklyarov.org > Geek for Hire > http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html > > --- > > > > -- > Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 > Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://linux.nf > > Software evolves. It isn't designed. The only question > is how strictly you _control_ the evolution, and > how open you are to external sources of mutations. > - Linus > ___ > Linux-users mailing list > Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Weird Shutdown/halt in SuSE 7.3
Lee, Can you expand a little on what you mean by "tell it to reboot and power down duing the bio bootup"? Who or what do I "tell" ? The bios? TIA --- Susan Macchia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What it means in SuSe 7.2 and Mandrake is that the box was shut down > before the program had finished shutting down. It may be that 7.3 has a > bug in it that stops program shut down before it has finished and the > first thing it does at reboot is to check the file sysytem to insure > that none of the files have been damaged. The same thing happens > sometimes on my Mandrake/SuSe dual boot. The only way I have of > preventing it is when the program shuts down is to tell it to reboot and > power down duing the bio bootup. > > Lee > > = = _ Susan Macchia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ - Running Linux - because life is too short for reboots... __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: [fsl-discuss] Standards: Register: Phillips moves to put 'poison' label on protected audio CDs
Scribbling feverishly on January 18, Douglas J Hunley managed to emit: > Looks like Phillips actually has a clue! Go Phillips! "mother of all sue-fests" indeed! Looks like I'll be spending more money on Philips products in the future. :-P Kurt -- Your lover will never wish to leave you. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Congress to look at software liability?
The problem with holding software writers liable is this. They cannot anticipate all the uses or all the hardware the software will be aplied to. Neither, can they predict all the ineractions with every other piece of software aver written. Therefore, software would come with incredible restrictions on its use. Who needs that? And, guess who would get to approve all new software to run on the world's most popular operating system? Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Congress to look at software liability?
Joel Hammer wrote: > > This must be the dumbest idea in a long time. > This is like holding a builder liable because someone broke into his > building by digging under the foundation or smashing a window. > DUMB. I think what is needed here is to prevent software companies from including clause in their licensing that (to use the builder paradigm) are analogous to: "If the house you have purchased from us, falls down, even if it can be proven so, we are not responsible for damage to goods contained in said house. Nor are we responsible to repair the house. By inserting your key into the door and entering said house, you hereby absolve us of further responsibility" -- Linux SxS [http://sxs.webhop.net] ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Fwd: [fsl-discuss] Standards: Register: Phillips moves to put 'poison' label on protected audio CDs
Looks like Phillips actually has a clue! Go Phillips! -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: [fsl-discuss] Standards: Register: Phillips moves to put 'poison' label on protected audio CDs Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:13:05 -0800 From: "Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: FSL Discuss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2002.01.18: Register: Phillips moves to put 'poison' label on protected audio CDs http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23736.html By John Lettice Posted: 18/01/2002 at 13:19 GMT Netherlands giant Philips Electronics has lobbed a grenade into the audio copy protection arena by insisting that that CDs including anti-copying technology should bear what is effectively a plague warning. They should in Philips' view clearly inform users that they are copy-protected, and they shouldn't use the "Compact Disc" logo because they are not, in Philips' considered view, proper compact discs at all. [...] Meanwhile, the second barrel of the Philips shotgun is CD burning. In a Reuters interview Gerry Wirtz, general manager of Philips' copyright office, said that the company would be building CD burners that can read and burn copy protected CDs. He argues that the protection system is not a protection system as such, but simply a mechanism for stopping the playback of music. This interesting claim allows him to contend that the protection systems are not covered by the Digital Millenium Copyright Act, and lays the ground for the mother of all sue-fests with the number of large and rich companies who are most certainly not going to agree with him. Tin hats all round. ® -- Karsten M. Self <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/Land of the free We freed Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html --- -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://linux.nf Software evolves. It isn't designed. The only question is how strictly you _control_ the evolution, and how open you are to external sources of mutations. - Linus ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: network/ limited number of ips
>I prevent this by using iptables and only accepting known MAC addresses. >However, this will _not_ prevent someone from reconfiguring their MAC >address (i.e., doing a MAC address takeover) and breaking into your net, >but it does make it a little more difficult. Combine that with WEP and >you should be OK against 99% of folks who want to try to break in. This is what I am looking for. Thanks. >but I'd suggest using bootp rather than dhcp or static IPs. Why bootp? Roger Sorry am that last email...darn laptops! ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Congress to look at software liability?
On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:30:30 -0500 "David A. Bandel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:54:49 +0100 | Roger Oberholtzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed into the bitstream: | | [snip] | | > | > I would be concerned about how they defined responsible. As a programmer | > I guess I would need some form of malpractice insurance to protect | > against law suits. Can damages be for more than the cost of the product? | > If so, perhaps a free product could have to pay $$$ liabilities? Bye bye | > open source (or at least free to use) software. Something has to pay the | > malpractice insurance. | > | > Who determines what a flaw is? Unless I provide EVERYTHING and | > the user can be proven to have done EXACTLY what I said, how can | > I be held responsible? | > | > I guess the Indian programmers will really benefit. Once the programming | > is done elsewhere (out of the law's jurisdiction), just move the company | > there as well. | | Well, I have a couple of offshore companies here in Panama, and as long as | it doesn't cost me any money, the programs could be "laundered" through | one of them (the author still retaining rights, just allowing the program | to be moved out of the US and away from incredibly clueless US lawmakers). | | > | > If you can't define it properly, how can you legislate it properly? | | you can't. Which means it will not be well-thought, which leads to even | worse state-by-state implementation of -- GIGO (garbage in, garbage | out). | | > | > I can also see this leading to a whole set of government regulations as | > to how software is made so that liability can be determined. This could | > result in it being more difficult to sell software in the US from | > abroad? Like the FDA does for drugs. | > | | Uh huh, so how do you prevent folks from d/l "foreign" software? Set up filters like they have in countries like Saudi Arabia to keep people from downloading porn or whatever else the govt deems bad. The technology is there. Granted there are always ways around it, but it would really put a dent in things. For one thing, could a company in a foreign country, under such circumstances, charge a corporation for support? Put is on the books a 'Support for that illegal software we downloaded off the 'net.' They could kill a few birds with this one stone and claim that the filtering also allows tracking questionable/terrorist activities. Basically a slippery slope. Make the first law, then add and add so you can try to implement the first law. Keeps Washington busy. Get the public to but the first idea, and then with the foot in the door, get the public to buy more and more laws to make it work. Gee, that sounds like a Washington State company as well. It's Friday. I'm late and hungry. I rant. -- = Roger Oberholtzer E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OPQ Systems AB WWW: http://www.opq.se Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 115 32 Stockholm Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 Sweden Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Congress to look at software liability?
This must be the dumbest idea in a long time. This is like holding a builder liable because someone broke into his building by digging under the foundation or smashing a window. DUMB. You would think they would be thinking of making hacking a more serious crime than it currently is. But, there are those who blame guns for crime, too. The shooters are seen as victims. But, to quote Mark Twain: What if I were an idiot and a member of Congress? But, I repeat myself. Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: network/ limited number of ips
-Original Message- From: David A. Bandel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 8:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: network/ limited number of ips On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:37:10 -0600 "Schmeits, Roger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed into the bitstream: [snip] > > >the internet using a single public ip address and an access list of > >internal ip's that you assign. If it's an ip address not allowed to be > >masqueraded, then nobody can "steal services" from you. A good reason > >to stay away from DHCP and use fixed addressing. > > With the cisco 350 I can register the network cards by MAC address. > Preventing anyone from stealing a ip address. I prevent this by using iptables and only accepting known MAC addresses. However, this will _not_ prevent someone from reconfiguring their MAC address (i.e., doing a MAC address takeover) and breaking into your net, but it does make it a little more difficult. Combine that with WEP and you should be OK against 99% of folks who want to try to break in. > > > >40 ip addresses should be a no brainer to administer. > I am terrible lazy... no cure for this, but I'd suggest using bootp rather than dhcp or static IPs. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto Internet (H323) phone: 206.28.187.30 ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Congress to look at software liability?
On Friday 18 January 2002 09:16 am, Rick Sivernell wrote : > On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:54:49 +0100 > > > for. While some foreign developers are very good, many are not. Those that > are not use their language as a hinderence in convering in US to avoid or > frustrate those who manage or use the software. > all your base are belong to us ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Congress to look at software liability?
On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:54:49 +0100 Roger Oberholtzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed into the bitstream: [snip] > > I would be concerned about how they defined responsible. As a programmer > I guess I would need some form of malpractice insurance to protect > against law suits. Can damages be for more than the cost of the product? > If so, perhaps a free product could have to pay $$$ liabilities? Bye bye > open source (or at least free to use) software. Something has to pay the > malpractice insurance. > > Who determines what a flaw is? Unless I provide EVERYTHING and > the user can be proven to have done EXACTLY what I said, how can > I be held responsible? > > I guess the Indian programmers will really benefit. Once the programming > is done elsewhere (out of the law's jurisdiction), just move the company > there as well. Well, I have a couple of offshore companies here in Panama, and as long as it doesn't cost me any money, the programs could be "laundered" through one of them (the author still retaining rights, just allowing the program to be moved out of the US and away from incredibly clueless US lawmakers). > > If you can't define it properly, how can you legislate it properly? you can't. Which means it will not be well-thought, which leads to even worse state-by-state implementation of -- GIGO (garbage in, garbage out). > > I can also see this leading to a whole set of government regulations as > to how software is made so that liability can be determined. This could > result in it being more difficult to sell software in the US from > abroad? Like the FDA does for drugs. > Uh huh, so how do you prevent folks from d/l "foreign" software? Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto Internet (H323) phone: 206.28.187.30 ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Congress to look at software liability?
On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:54:49 +0100 Roger Oberholtzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:31:07 -0500 > Ian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > | DOUGLAS HUNLEY wrote: > | > > | > -- 14 January 2002 Congress May Take New Look At Software Protection > | > from Product Liability For Security Flaws > | > > | > Rep. Rick Boucher (D-Va.) who co-chairs the Congressional Internet > Caucus > | > said . "The producers of software should be responsible for any flaws > | > that the software contains," especially if the flaws lead to hacking." > > MTCW > > I would be concerned about how they defined responsible. As a programmer I > guess I would need some form of malpractice insurance to protect against > law suits. Can damages be for more than the cost of the product? If so, > perhaps a free product could have to pay $$$ liabilities? Bye bye > open source (or at least free to use) software. Something has to pay the > malpractice insurance. > > Who determines what a flaw is? Unless I provide EVERYTHING and > the user can be proven to have done EXACTLY what I said, how can > I be held responsible? > > I guess the Indian programmers will really benefit. Once the programming > is done elsewhere (out of the law's jurisdiction), just move the company > there as well. > > If you can't define it properly, how can you legislate it properly? > > I can also see this leading to a whole set of government regulations as to > how software is made so that liability can be determined. This could result > in it being more difficult to sell software in the US from abroad? Like > the FDA does for drugs. > > -- > = > Roger Oberholtzer E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > OPQ Systems AB WWW: http://www.opq.se > Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 > 115 32 Stockholm Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 > Sweden Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 > ___ > Linux-users mailing list > Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Well, if liability forces us to have higher cost & we can not pass it on or all software is written inIndia, let us hope not, you will get what you pay for. While some foreign developers are very good, many are not. Those that are not use their language as a hinderence in convering in US to avoid or frustrate those who manage or use the software. cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Congress to look at software liability?
On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:31:07 -0500 Ian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | DOUGLAS HUNLEY wrote: | > | > -- 14 January 2002 Congress May Take New Look At Software Protection | > from Product Liability For Security Flaws | > | > Rep. Rick Boucher (D-Va.) who co-chairs the Congressional Internet Caucus | > said . "The producers of software should be responsible for any flaws | > that the software contains," especially if the flaws lead to hacking." MTCW I would be concerned about how they defined responsible. As a programmer I guess I would need some form of malpractice insurance to protect against law suits. Can damages be for more than the cost of the product? If so, perhaps a free product could have to pay $$$ liabilities? Bye bye open source (or at least free to use) software. Something has to pay the malpractice insurance. Who determines what a flaw is? Unless I provide EVERYTHING and the user can be proven to have done EXACTLY what I said, how can I be held responsible? I guess the Indian programmers will really benefit. Once the programming is done elsewhere (out of the law's jurisdiction), just move the company there as well. If you can't define it properly, how can you legislate it properly? I can also see this leading to a whole set of government regulations as to how software is made so that liability can be determined. This could result in it being more difficult to sell software in the US from abroad? Like the FDA does for drugs. -- = Roger Oberholtzer E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OPQ Systems AB WWW: http://www.opq.se Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 115 32 Stockholm Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 Sweden Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ext2/ext3
Scribbling feverishly on January 18, dep managed to emit: > On Friday 18 January 2002 05:32, Kurt Wall wrote: > > | > Can I change them using fstab settings? > | > | No. > > well, um, yes and no. going back to ext2 requires editing /etc/fstab, > does it not? and on some systems (i'm thinking suse 7.3 here), in Yes, you have to edit /etc/fstab, too. But, changing the FS from ext3 to ext2 is not accomplished simply by editing /etc/fstab, which is how I understood the question. > addition to getting the repaired mk_inittab script from suse, one > needs to set up fstab such that / is ext3, but additional partitions > may be set to "auto." (in suse, for reasons not yet translated from > the german, setting / to "auto" boots it as ext2, while on subsequent > partitions if the setting is ext3, they're usually not mounted at > all, though you can do it by hand after the machine is booted. and if > that makes it seem that suse 7.3 is a fundamentally good distribution > cloaked in a cloud of configurational fog -- well, i have no argument > to the contrary.) I'll leave it to others to fight this partiular religious war. I have no opinion on SuSE. [...] Kurt -- You need more time; and you probably always will. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Congress to look at software liability?
--- DOUGLAS HUNLEY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- 14 January 2002 Congress May Take New Look At Software Protection > from Product Liability For Security Flaws > > Rep. Rick Boucher (D-Va.) who co-chairs the Congressional Internet > Caucus > said . "The producers of software should be responsible for any flaws > that the software contains," especially if the flaws lead to hacking." > > http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-011402micro.story This is a double edged sword. It will hurt M$ alot. It also could hurt the open/free software movement. = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: network/ limited number of ips
On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:37:10 -0600 "Schmeits, Roger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed into the bitstream: [snip] > > >the internet using a single public ip address and an access list of > >internal ip's that you assign. If it's an ip address not allowed to be > >masqueraded, then nobody can "steal services" from you. A good reason > >to stay away from DHCP and use fixed addressing. > > With the cisco 350 I can register the network cards by MAC address. > Preventing anyone from stealing a ip address. I prevent this by using iptables and only accepting known MAC addresses. However, this will _not_ prevent someone from reconfiguring their MAC address (i.e., doing a MAC address takeover) and breaking into your net, but it does make it a little more difficult. Combine that with WEP and you should be OK against 99% of folks who want to try to break in. > > > >40 ip addresses should be a no brainer to administer. > I am terrible lazy... no cure for this, but I'd suggest using bootp rather than dhcp or static IPs. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto Internet (H323) phone: 206.28.187.30 ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Xscreensaver-4.0
On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:34:09 -0800 (PST) Net Llama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed into the bitstream: [snip] > > Ugh. I've had [gtk|glib]-devel-1.2.10 installed for months, yet i don't > have glib.h installed. I've also got gnome-devel* installed. This > looks to be leading down a dependency path of hell. > Could I build against lesstif instead? Hrmmm...something like: > ./configure --with-lesstif=? if you have glib-devel-* installed and you have no glib.h anywhere on your system, either: 1. glib.h was accidentally erased somehow (solution: reinstall glib-devel-* --force) or 2. the RPM you installed is terminally borken. If this is the case, I'd confirm it, then send a bug report to whomever created it because without glib.h, might as well not have glib-devel-* installed. Once you have glib.h on your system, your build should go just fine. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto Internet (H323) phone: 206.28.187.30 ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Congress to look at software liability?
Right, you. But who will be able to afford it? Glenn Williams - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User # 135678 - since 1994 Amateur Radio Packeteer since 1988 - Original Message - From: "Ian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 6:31 AM Subject: Re: Congress to look at software liability? [snip] > > Rep. Rick Boucher (D-Va.) who co-chairs the Congressional Internet Caucus > > said . "The producers of software should be responsible for any flaws > > that the software contains," especially if the flaws lead to hacking." > > > > http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-011402micro.story [snip] ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: network/ limited number of ips
>I don't know how much about wireless. Certainly it's easier, but probably more >expensive and maybe less secure (at least you'd have to think about those >things). We are still thinking about how to lay things out yet wireless vs. LAN. so far wireless is cheaper. for some oddball reason it is very expensive to hardwire the building. I have heard figures at forty grand??? >It shouldn't be terribly hard to wire the building yourself, depending on how >it's built. I'd be happy to offer advice about that. I would think it would >only take a week or less, and less than $4000 in equipment. I have never anything so I am out of my league on that one.. >If you do get DSL, the Cisco 678 you'll get will do NAT, DHCP, and packet >filtering (a little) for you. I will look at that !! Thanks. >You may still have use for a Linux >router/firewall box, but you probably don't need static IP addresses. The one >dynamic one that comes with basic service will probably do. If you want to run >servers, that's a different story, but just to get students on the net you don't >need your own block of IPs. I am just itching' to bring Linux in here ..we are all Microsoft. >I don't see any reason to run your own servers. There are plenty of free email >services where students can get accounts (maybe even from the school). If you >let the DSL modem do DHCP, you won't have to worry about DNS and such too much. Thats all takin care. Running Imail on a NT box. >Admittedly I've never done this on this scale, so there may be problems I don't >forsee. But I have done some shoestring installs like this before. I think I am going to find out! Thanks Dave for the input! Roger ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: network/ limited number of ips
>Way, way too much overkill. You certainly don't need 6 access points, >especially at over a grand each for Cisco. Youre right 3 is more than enough. I was just throwing numbers out there ... it is early in the project you know. >them all a unique ESSID if you want precise control, patch each one into >your physical network and use a single linux box to masquerade them to the building is one block away from our main campus and it has no network wiring in it. I have to start from zero on the network side. That why I say wireless fairly easily to setup.. >the internet using a single public ip address and an access list of >internal ip's that you assign. If it's an ip address not allowed to be >masqueraded, then nobody can "steal services" from you. A good reason to >stay away from DHCP and use fixed addressing. With the cisco 350 I can register the network cards by MAC address. Preventing anyone from stealing a ip address. >40 ip addresses should be a no brainer to administer. I am terrible lazy... some of the students will be using laptops in this building and on the main campus. Roaming laptops.. I was hoping I could register the MAC (with the Aironet) on student housding building and the main campus. We are a small school so chances are I can get by with this.. Thanks for the input! ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Congress to look at software liability?
DOUGLAS HUNLEY wrote: > > -- 14 January 2002 Congress May Take New Look At Software Protection > from Product Liability For Security Flaws > > Rep. Rick Boucher (D-Va.) who co-chairs the Congressional Internet Caucus > said . "The producers of software should be responsible for any flaws > that the software contains," especially if the flaws lead to hacking." > > http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-011402micro.story Fina-friggin-ly. Let's hope this sticks. Auto and aircraft manufacturers are held responsible for their product. -- Linux SxS [http://sxs.webhop.net] ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Congress to look at software liability?
-- 14 January 2002 Congress May Take New Look At Software Protection from Product Liability For Security Flaws Rep. Rick Boucher (D-Va.) who co-chairs the Congressional Internet Caucus said . "The producers of software should be responsible for any flaws that the software contains," especially if the flaws lead to hacking." http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-011402micro.story -- Douglas J. Hunley Unix/Linux Admin http://linux.nf Down the wire, off the router, through the firewall, nothing but 'Net... ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ext2/ext3
On Friday 18 January 2002 05:32, Kurt Wall wrote: | > Can I change them using fstab settings? | | No. well, um, yes and no. going back to ext2 requires editing /etc/fstab, does it not? and on some systems (i'm thinking suse 7.3 here), in addition to getting the repaired mk_inittab script from suse, one needs to set up fstab such that / is ext3, but additional partitions may be set to "auto." (in suse, for reasons not yet translated from the german, setting / to "auto" boots it as ext2, while on subsequent partitions if the setting is ext3, they're usually not mounted at all, though you can do it by hand after the machine is booted. and if that makes it seem that suse 7.3 is a fundamentally good distribution cloaked in a cloud of configurational fog -- well, i have no argument to the contrary.) | > Is there a step for this? | | No. this is close: http://www.zip.com.au/~akpm/linux/ext3/ext3-usage.html -- dep There is sobbing of the strong, And a pall upon the land; But the People in their weeping Bare the iron hand; Beware the People weeping When they bare the iron hand. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Xscreensaver-4.0
Scribbling feverishly on January 17, Net Llama managed to emit: > Is this on your Slackware box? Yes. I built and installed GTK+ and GDK from source. They live under /usr/local/mumble. As does Xscreensaver, I might add. > I've attempted it on a RH7.x box and i get errors like these during > 'make': > > gcc -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wno-format -std=c89 > -U__STRICT_ANSI__ -c -I. -I. -I./../utils -I.. -I/usr/include/gtk-1.2 > -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include > -I/usr/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/usr/lib/gnome-libs/include > -I/usr/include/gnome-xml -I/usr/local/include -DHAVE_CONFIG_H > -DDEFAULT_PATH_PREFIX='"/usr/local/lib/xscreensaver"' > -I./../utils/images -DHAVE_CONFIG_H > -DDEFAULT_ICONDIR='"/usr/share/pixmaps"' \ > -g -O2 -I/usr/X11R6/include \ > ./demo-Gtk.c > In file included from /usr/include/gtk-1.2/gdk/gdk.h:31, > from /usr/include/gtk-1.2/gtk/gtk.h:31, > from ./demo-Gtk.c:66: > /usr/include/gtk-1.2/gdk/gdktypes.h:33: glib.h: No such file or > directory [snip] If you've got the right *-devel packages, then it "should" work. I don't know off the top of my head why glib.h isn't there, because you can't build GTK+ without it. Try running a --verify with rpm -q for the various GTK+ and GDK RPMs. That might shed some light on why things are breaking. Kurt -- Caution: breathing may be hazardous to your health. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Partitioner
On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:53,Douglas J Hunley scribed: > Keith Antoine babbled on about: > > I cannot see any way to reverse the trend from ext3 to 2. The other way > > is simple (tune2fs -j). Nothing I can see undoes this, not that I wanto > > normally > > change fstab from ext3 to ext2, unmount the partition, tune2fs -O > ^has_journal on the partition, remount the partition, fsck will remove the > journal, you are now back to ext2 Ta mate had difficulty getting to that stage. Simple when you know how. -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ext2/ext3
Scribbling feverishly on January 17, Ken Moffat managed to emit: > I'm confused. The "partitioner" thread left me scratching my head. > > I have several ext2 partitions, and several questions. > Can I make these ext2's into ext3's using tune2fs? Yes. > Can I go back and forth? Yes. > Can I change them using fstab settings? No. > Must I run fsck? No. But it will. > Is any of this dangerous? No. > Is there a step for this? No. Kurt -- Everything will be just tickety-boo today. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
