Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-10-06 Thread Luis Motta Campos
Peter Corlett wrote:
 On 23 Sep 2009, at 14:11, Sue Spence wrote:
 [...]
 Humbug.  Don't know why you don't get yourself a job up in Huddersfield,
 though.   :-)
 
 You seem to have used the words job and Huddersfield in the same
 sentence without any irony :)

I disagree -- irony in that sentence was so tick that you can cut it
with a knife... ;)

Cheers
-- 
Luis Motta Campos is a software engineer,
Perl Programmer, foodie and photographer.


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-10-06 Thread Sue Spence
2009/10/6 Luis Motta Campos luismottacam...@yahoo.co.uk

 Peter Corlett wrote:
  On 23 Sep 2009, at 14:11, Sue Spence wrote:
  [...]
  Humbug.  Don't know why you don't get yourself a job up in Huddersfield,
  though.   :-)
 
  You seem to have used the words job and Huddersfield in the same
  sentence without any irony :)

 I disagree -- irony in that sentence was so tick that you can cut it
 with a knife... ;)



Thank you, Luis.  Furthermore I wouldn't have suggested it if I had thought
there was even a hint of a whisper of ghost of a chance that he'd have taken
up the suggestion.  Even Huddersfield doesn't deserve that.


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-10-01 Thread Dominic Thoreau

For bonus points, convince them to buy Guinness...

Sent from my iPhone

On 29 Sep 2009, at 17:02, Ask Bjørn Hansen a...@develooper.com wrote:

 and the world I overheard a couple talking about choosing between  
Miller and Budweiser beer. I wanted to scream!




Re: Beer [was Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?]

2009-10-01 Thread Ricardo Signes
* Mark Blackman m...@blackmans.org [2009-09-29T11:39:39]
 On 29 Sep 2009, at 16:26, Ricardo Signes wrote:

 fairly choose between them.  There is a large culture of beer  
 appreciation
 here.

 ...but there's also a large culture of beer ignorance.

 Would you care to speculate on the ratio of those populations in
 the US?  (and/or outside).

(Please CC me on replies; I am not a subscriber and the last thing I need is
more mailing lists!)

I can speculate, but it's really hard to say.  I divide the adult world into
three groups: people who do not drink beer, people who drink beer but don't
strive to get the best, and people who take beer seriously.

I'd guess that about half the adults I know do not drink beer; that's including
people who will drink a beer at a party if it is offered, but would never buy
one or ask for one.

So, among everyone else?  Frankly, I have no evidence worth anything for doing
science.  (My previous half claim was also totally thin-aired.)  I'd probably
divide the populace in half, again, but say that there is a fuzzy area that
eats into the beer lovers camp of people who drink beer, notice that some
beer is better than other beer, but do not do much to learn what beer they like
most or why they differ.  These are people who will gladly fall in love with a
new beer you show them, but will not go looking for new beer.  So, 50/25/25 in
the crap/complacent/connoisseur camps?  Like I said, though, this is total
bull.

I bet there are interviews with craft brewers about their actual research out
there, though.

-- 
rjbs


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-10-01 Thread Ricardo Signes
* Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org [2009-09-29T13:43:39]
 [Mmm, my copy of mutt won't put Ricardo in the Cc:, even with group reply,
 which is hateful, because I know he's not subscribed to the list]

!  Maybe it's a sign and I should subscribe.

 On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:26:17AM -0400, Ricardo Signes wrote:
  That said, my absolute favorite brewery, Victory, apparently supplies some
  places in London.  I urge you to see if HopDevil is available near you.  I
  imagine it will have suffered a bit from the trip, but it's a fantastic
  beer.
 
 Spitfire doesn't survive the trip to Denmark.
 I've not spotted Victory anywhere. I'll keep a lookout.

Do not judge it harshly.  I live 90 miles from the brewery and the difference
in what I get from my local compared to what I get at the brewery pub is
astounding.

  Do you mean happoshu, or Japanese rice-adjunct lagers?  I've never had an
  Asian beer that I liked much, but I'd love to find one.
 
 I meant things like Asahi and similar, which Japanese restaurants in the UK
 tend to serve. I find them quite drinkable.

 Then again, I find Cobra drinkable with curry. But elsewhere, oh so bland.

I've had a few Indian beers that were drinkable with dinner, but that I surely
wouldn't order in any other context.

As for Ovid's distaste for American IPA, I'll just have to hope he finds
himself in my neck of the woods sometime.  IPA is among my favored beers, and I
think we have a number of really great ones -- although also a lot of
over-hyped ones.  Boulder Mojo and Sierra Nevada Torpedo are excellent.  Sierra
Nevada's regular IPA is nice, but definitely overrated.  (HopDevil is often
listed as an IPA, but this is madness.  HopDevil is an ale, but other than that
it pretty well stands alone.)

-- 
rjbs


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-10-01 Thread Toby Wintermute
2009/9/22 Matt Follett matt.foll...@gmail.com:
 On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Ask Bjørn Hansen a...@develooper.comwrote:
 On Sep 21, 2009, at 15:16, Abigail wrote:
 Well, we (booking.com) are. But that unfortunally requires a relocation
 to (or near) Amsterdam, and I can't imagine anyone willing to do that.

 At solfo.com we hire skilled Perl people once in a while too, but we're
 even farther away!  (Los Angeles; although only half of us are there)   :-)

 We are hiring a Perl programmer and aren't as far as LA, but sadly, are as
 far as St. Louis, MO.


Hah, I call your ridiculously long international commute, and raise you!

We're looking to hire a Perl developer, in Melbourne, AU.
(Hey, come on, it's almost summer; doesn't anyone want to come and
play in the sun?)

-Toby

-- 
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer
Things fall apart; the center cannot hold
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world



Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-30 Thread Jacqui Caren

Abigail wrote:

Me, I don't have a preference. I find anyone drinking alcohol a baboon. ;-)


No anyone who has consumed enough alky starts acting like a chimp.

Jacqui


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-30 Thread Dominic Thoreau
2009/9/30 Jacqui Caren jacqui.ca...@ntlworld.com:
 Abigail wrote:

 Me, I don't have a preference. I find anyone drinking alcohol a baboon.
 ;-)

 No anyone who has consumed enough alky starts acting like a chimp.

I feel I'm more likely to act like a sloth (okay then, more like a
sloth than usual). Just fall asleep somewhere handy.


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-30 Thread Dirk Koopman

Jacqui Caren wrote:

Abigail wrote:
Me, I don't have a preference. I find anyone drinking alcohol a 
baboon. ;-)


No anyone who has consumed enough alky starts acting like a chimp.



I have video to prove that this isn't true, although I would not like to 
be definite about exactly which species of ape.


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-30 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:18:15AM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote:

 On the other hand, the Japanese managed to make decent lager from rice.

[citation needed]

 How come America can't?

I would have thought that the general shitty state of US beer was more
due to prohibition shutting down all the small brewers - a situation
that is now being fixed as more small brewers spring into existence.
The same happened, to a smaller extent, in the UK - vast numbers of
small breweries closed or got bought and merged by larger brewcos,
leading to Watneys Red Barrel, Double Diamond, and the creation of
CAMRA.

-- 
David Cantrell | top google result for topless karaoke murders

Did you know that shotguns taste like candy canes?  Put the barrel in
your mouth and pull the trigger for an extra blast of minty goodness!


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-30 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:26:17AM -0400, Ricardo Signes wrote:

 Even a fair bar has a number of good beers on tap, though, and they're almost
 always all American.  I think that we Yanks who like our great American beer
 would love to share knowledge of it with the rest of the world -- but it's
 mostly produced by local concerns who don't make enough to supply the world.
 That said, my absolute favorite brewery, Victory, apparently supplies some
 places in London.  I urge you to see if HopDevil is available near you.

See http://london.randomness.org.uk/wiki.cgi?Category_American_Beer

You will notice that four out of five are south of the river,
demonstrating beyond a shadow of a doubt that northerners are
appallingly closed-minded and ignorant, believing that the best the US
has to offer is Coors.

-- 
David Cantrell | Enforcer, South London Linguistic Massive

   When a man is tired of London, he is tired of life
  -- Samuel Johnson


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-30 Thread Simon Batistoni


On Sep 30, 2009, at 9:19 AM, David Cantrell wrote:


On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:18:15AM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote:

On the other hand, the Japanese managed to make decent lager from  
rice.


[citation needed]


The problem with Japanese lagers is that they're generally quite bland  
- Kirin, Sapporo and Echigo Koshihikari all fall into that category.


That said, I do quite like the Echigo with sushi when I'm not in a  
Sake mood.


On the other hand, there are a few fantastic Japanese ales made with  
rice. No idea if you'll find them anywhere in London, but Hitachino  
Nest Red Rice Ale and Hitachino Nest Japanese Classic Ale are both  
fantastic.


Some Whole Foods stock them in the US, so you might be able to get  
hold of them in a Fresh and Wild somewhere.



How come America can't?


I would have thought that the general shitty state of US beer was more
due to prohibition shutting down all the small brewers - a situation
that is now being fixed as more small brewers spring into existence.


I'd actually go so far as to say it *has* been fixed - loads of small  
craft brewers have sprung up or expanded in the 5 years I've been  
living here, to the point where my first task in any new city is to  
seek out a liquor store and see what the local microbrew scene is like.


This coming from someone who was convinced that he'd never have a  
decent beer again when he first moved Stateside.


And the fact that Sierra Nevada is now large enough to export a  
significant amount of beer outside the US is... well... generally a  
good thing (although, personally, they're not my favourite; they have  
a worrying tendency to over-hop, and I think the beer in general  
suffers a little from the scale it's now being brewed at).


For me, though, the ultimate sign of Real Beer Victory in the US is  
the fact that Anheuser-Busch felt threatened enough to develop  
Budweiser American Ale, a faux-craft-ale that, whilst still  
revolting swill, is slightly less awful than their usual pisswater,  
and at least acknowledges the idea that there is, in fact, a world  
beyond pisswater.


sb


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-30 Thread Simon Wistow
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:40:30AM -0700, Simon Batistoni said:
 This coming from someone who was convinced that he'd never have a decent 
 beer again when he first moved Stateside.

Mr Batistoni had done much of the pioneering, trail blazing work for me 
when I moved out to SF including introducing me to the fantastic 
Toronados (and the adjacent Rosamunde's sausage shop) with its bevy of 
fantastic microbrews and Belgian ales.

That said, whilst I do love certain American beers my major complaint is
that their IPAs are nothing like our IPAs. Not to say I don't like 
'their' style but quite often they tend to be almost too hoppy and 
they're still quite fizzy and I find my self craving a pint of Hen or 
Pride - something nutty and not as gaseous. 

The Mad Dog In The Fog, opposite Toronaos does have Pride on tap but 
it's inexplicably nitrokegged which renders it almost undrinkable. 

Fortunately Whole Foods, for all their other sins, have a large and 
decent selection of bottled British beers from Youngs (inc Double 
Chocolate Stout) and Fullers to St Peters and Sam Smiths and even Black 
Sheep, Badger and Wychwood.

All that said - given a choice between a pint of Directors and a pint of 
Anchor Steam or Sierra Pale Ale during lunch up in the mountains during 
ski season I'd go for the American beers everytime. 





Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-29 Thread Simon Cozens
On 26/09/2009 21:40, Billy Abbott wrote:
 Assuming we're not referring to fried email, than the answer is yes.
   http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=254168
 That assumes you live in Hawaii, of course.
   
 
 The Hawaiian love of Spam has scared me since I heard of it.

It should scare you; I've heard a theory that Spam is popular in the
Pacific islands because it tastes similar to... more traditional meats
that they can't eat any more.

S


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-29 Thread Uri Guttman
 SC == Simon Cozens si...@simon-cozens.org writes:

  SC On 26/09/2009 21:40, Billy Abbott wrote:
   Assuming we're not referring to fried email, than the answer is yes.
   http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=254168
   That assumes you live in Hawaii, of course.
   
   
   The Hawaiian love of Spam has scared me since I heard of it.

  SC It should scare you; I've heard a theory that Spam is popular in the
  SC Pacific islands because it tastes similar to... more traditional meats
  SC that they can't eat any more.

too bad, the real answer is more mundane. spam was invented (if you can
use that word) for the US army in ww2 and was the c (or k?) ration -
meat in a can. it was of course ubiqitous in hawaii during the war as
there was a massive military presence there. it became a cheap source of
meat for the locals as well as the military. so spam became an accepted
and now popular part of the food culture there. this is also true for
other asian islands and countries (at least according to wikipedia). and
for you brits, spam was about the only non-rationed meat during the war
so you have likely some dna in you created from spam molecules your
ancestors ate! the monty python spam song was based on the mass of
spam eaten in the war and offered on menus.

uri


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-29 Thread Ovid
- Original Message 

 From: Uri Guttman u...@stemsystems.com

   SC It should scare you; I've heard a theory that Spam is popular in the
   SC Pacific islands because it tastes similar to... more traditional meats
   SC that they can't eat any more.
 
 too bad, the real answer is more mundane. spam was invented (if you can
 use that word) for the US army in ww2 and was the c (or k?) ration -
 meat in a can. it was of course ubiqitous in hawaii during the war as
 there was a massive military presence there.


That's the same reason so many Americans like piss, er, rice lagers.  Due to 
grain rationing in WWII, rice was often substituted for barley.  It results in 
a much weaker, watery beer with no flavor and Americans seemed to forget that 
beer can actually taste good.  Heck, I learned to *like* Diet Coke after 
drinking enough of it.  I have no taste, either.

This is the gustatorial equivalent to if you lie often enough, people will 
start to believe it (the *real* Fox News motto)..

Cheers,
Ovid
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Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-29 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 02:06:32AM -0700, Ovid wrote:

 That's the same reason so many Americans like piss, er, rice lagers.  Due to 
 grain rationing in WWII, rice was often substituted for barley.  It results 
 in a much weaker, watery beer with no flavor and Americans seemed to forget 
 that beer can actually taste good.  Heck, I learned to *like* Diet Coke after 
 drinking enough of it.  I have no taste, either.

That's what you say. I think that this is just a large Yankee conspiracy to
make the rest of the beer-appreciating world think that there is no decent
beer in America. This way America can keep the good stuff to itself, because
no-one realises that they need to get upset because it's not exported.

(I think that the Danes adopt the same policy, and the Germans do for wine)

On the other hand, the Japanese managed to make decent lager from rice.
How come America can't?

Nicholas Clark


Re: Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-29 Thread bob
This email address is no longer active. Please check the website www.textor.com 
for our contact details.




Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-29 Thread Sue Spence
2009/9/29 Uri Guttman u...@stemsystems.com

  SC == Simon Cozens si...@simon-cozens.org writes:

  SC On 26/09/2009 21:40, Billy Abbott wrote:
   Assuming we're not referring to fried email, than the answer is yes.
   http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=254168
   That assumes you live in Hawaii, of course.
  
  
   The Hawaiian love of Spam has scared me since I heard of it.

  SC It should scare you; I've heard a theory that Spam is popular in the
  SC Pacific islands because it tastes similar to... more traditional meats
  SC that they can't eat any more.



Chortle.




 too bad, the real answer is more mundane.[...]



Bloody Vikings!


Re: Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-29 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:18:35AM +0100, b...@textor.com wrote:
 This email address is no longer active. Please check the website 
 www.textor.com for our contact details.

Well, clearly someone's software doesn't grasp Precedence: list,
envelope from, or subjects starting Re: .

(Yes, I have chosen to effectively waste 850 subscribers' time by replying
to this message, because I want to draw everyone's attention to this, so
that they don't screw up this way themselves. Autoresponders to lists, of
any form, do not a good advertisement make.)

Nicholas Clark

PS Magic pixies acted upon the inferred unsubscribe request.
   No beer was harmed in the manufacture of this message.


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-29 Thread Sue Spence
2009/9/29 Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org



 On the other hand, the Japanese managed to make decent lager from rice.
 How come America can't?



That's easy.  The Japanese *know* rice.


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-29 Thread Peter Corlett

On 29 Sep 2009, at 10:31, Nicholas Clark wrote:
[...]
(Yes, I have chosen to effectively waste 850 subscribers' time by  
replying
to this message, because I want to draw everyone's attention to  
this, so
that they don't screw up this way themselves. Autoresponders to  
lists, of

any form, do not a good advertisement make.)


... especially autoresponders which send to the From: or Reply-To:  
address instead of the envelope sender, which should (eventually)  
unsubscribe the address.


The various email RFCs are freely-available and easy to read. Why  
don't people bother?





Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-29 Thread Peter Corlett

On 29 Sep 2009, at 09:13, Uri Guttman wrote:

[...] the monty python spam song was based on the mass of
spam eaten in the war and offered on menus.


I understand the sketch is actually a parody of there being *chips*  
with everything on cafe menus. Spam was substituted to make the whole  
thing more surreal and funny.


Certainly, you'll have a hard time finding a greasy spoon that sells  
spam, but it's even more of a challenge to find one that doesn't do  
chips.





Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-29 Thread Ricardo Signes
* Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org [2009-09-29T05:18:15]
 On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 02:06:32AM -0700, Ovid wrote:
  That's the same reason so many Americans like piss, er, rice lagers.  Due
  to grain rationing in WWII, rice was often substituted for barley.  It
  results in a much weaker, watery beer with no flavor and Americans seemed
  to forget that beer can actually taste good.  Heck, I learned to *like*
  Diet Coke after drinking enough of it.  I have no taste, either.
 
 That's what you say. I think that this is just a large Yankee conspiracy to
 make the rest of the beer-appreciating world think that there is no decent
 beer in America. This way America can keep the good stuff to itself, because
 no-one realises that they need to get upset because it's not exported.

I suppose that as a Yank, I can't properly dismiss this theory, but I'll try.
We have some totally amazing beer here.  My favorite beers are all American,
and I've had enough good British, Irish, and European beer to feel like I can
fairly choose between them.  There is a large culture of beer appreciation
here.

...but there's also a large culture of beer ignorance.  It's 11:18 here, local
time, and the guy across the aisle from me on this motor coach just finished
drinking a pint can of Busch, a horrible beer in the family known as American
adjunct lagers.  The adjunct in question is, yeah, rice.  These are the beers
that America is infamous for in the rest of the world, and rightly so: they're
ubiquitous and awful.  A crappy bar will always serve Miller, Busch, Bud,
and Molson.  Maybe there will be one or two local beers of random quality.
Locally, you will *always* find Yuengling Lager.  If you say, gimme a lager,
you get that.  It's actually beer (unlike Busch) but it's not great.

Even a fair bar has a number of good beers on tap, though, and they're almost
always all American.  I think that we Yanks who like our great American beer
would love to share knowledge of it with the rest of the world -- but it's
mostly produced by local concerns who don't make enough to supply the world.
That said, my absolute favorite brewery, Victory, apparently supplies some
places in London.  I urge you to see if HopDevil is available near you.  I
imagine it will have suffered a bit from the trip, but it's a fantastic beer.

 (I think that the Danes adopt the same policy, and the Germans do for wine)
 
 On the other hand, the Japanese managed to make decent lager from rice.
 How come America can't?

Do you mean happoshu, or Japanese rice-adjunct lagers?  I've never had an Asian
beer that I liked much, but I'd love to find one.

-- 
rjbs


Re: Beer [was Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?]

2009-09-29 Thread Mark Blackman

On 29 Sep 2009, at 16:26, Ricardo Signes wrote:

fairly choose between them.  There is a large culture of beer  
appreciation

here.

...but there's also a large culture of beer ignorance.


Would you care to speculate on the ratio of those populations in
the US?  (and/or outside).



Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-29 Thread Ask Bjørn Hansen


On Sep 29, 2009, at 8:26, Ricardo Signes wrote:


...but there's also a large culture of beer ignorance.


Once at the local Beverages and More[1] where they have hundreds of  
different beers from around the country and the world I overheard a  
couple talking about choosing between Miller and Budweiser beer. I  
wanted to scream!



 - ask

[1] http://www.bevmo.com/ - the and more part of the name is really  
just to make it sound like a store name.  Beverages would be more  
accurate.




Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-29 Thread Dave Hodgkinson


On 30 Sep 2009, at 00:23, Paul Makepeace wrote:

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Ask Bjørn Hansen  
a...@develooper.com wrote:


On Sep 29, 2009, at 8:26, Ricardo Signes wrote:


...but there's also a large culture of beer ignorance.


Once at the local Beverages and More[1] where they have hundreds of
different beers from around the country and the world I overheard a  
couple

talking about choosing between Miller and Budweiser beer. I wanted to
scream!


What's with targeting Americans here? There's no shortage of ignorance
on the subject the world over.

I see people buying Heineken all the time, f'rinstance.



Last time I was in NY, I hit a few bars trying to find *anything* local
and they were all proud of their fine imported European beers. Like
Heineken, Kronie, Amstel...

Twats.

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Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-29 Thread Sue Spence
2009/9/29 Ask Bjørn Hansen a...@develooper.com


 On Sep 29, 2009, at 8:26, Ricardo Signes wrote:

  ...but there's also a large culture of beer ignorance.


 Once at the local Beverages and More[1] where they have hundreds of
 different beers from around the country and the world I overheard a couple
 talking about choosing between Miller and Budweiser beer. I wanted to
 scream!



What the real ale fetishists and general beer nerds here like to forget it
is just how well that American Budweiser stuff appears to sell in England.
I see people drinking it *all the time* and when it first started getting a
foothold back in the '90s I had thought the fad might blow over.  Whatever
-- if people want to drink it, let 'em.

http://company.monster.co.uk/anheuseruk/

The UK

The UK is Anheuser-Busch's second-largest market outside the United States.
The UK market is managed by Anheuser-Busch Europe Ltd; a fully autonomous
business unit within Anheuser-Busch International. Head office functions are
based at Thames Link House, Richmond and brewing is carried out by
Anheuser-Busch brewmasters at the Budweiser Stag Brewery in Mortlake.
Brewing Budweiser locally helps meet the strong demand for Budweiser in the
UK. 

*The
*


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-29 Thread Dirk Koopman

Sue Spence wrote:

2009/9/29 Ask Bjørn Hansen a...@develooper.com


On Sep 29, 2009, at 8:26, Ricardo Signes wrote:

 ...but there's also a large culture of beer ignorance.
Once at the local Beverages and More[1] where they have hundreds of
different beers from around the country and the world I overheard a couple
talking about choosing between Miller and Budweiser beer. I wanted to
scream!




What the real ale fetishists and general beer nerds here like to forget it
is just how well that American Budweiser stuff appears to sell in England.
I see people drinking it *all the time* and when it first started getting a
foothold back in the '90s I had thought the fad might blow over.  Whatever
-- if people want to drink it, let 'em.



ooo this could yet morph into serious philosophy / anthropology if we 
aren't careful.


Question: why do so many (british/possibly english) people drink so much 
tasteless (bland?), yet reasonably alcoholic beer?


What is it about the good stuff that seems to put most people (a 
category which probably excludes nearly everyone on this list) off 
drinking it.


Please don't say oh if only they would try it and they would change 
their mind because we / Camra went through that phase in the 1980s / 
early 1990s. We and they have come out the other side and are watching 
the year on year decline of mainstream, nationally (or even just 
regionally) available real beer that tastes of something.


Even saying oh people have moved over to lager isn't enough, because 
if you give them decent lager (say real Belgian/German/Czech stuff), 
they won't touch it. They stick to the bland/sweet rubbish.


Don't blame the brewers, they will keep producing the stuff if they can 
sell it. They can't, and brew after decent brew is disappearing.


Dirk


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-29 Thread Roger Burton West
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 07:32:19PM +0100, Dirk Koopman wrote:

What is it about the good stuff that seems to put most people (a 
category which probably excludes nearly everyone on this list) off 
drinking it.

Tastes take training. Bitter tastes in particular are something that
need to be acquired. If you've grown up on hypersweetened everything,
that's harder. If you don't know other people who are drinking bitter
things, and indeed if drinking bitter things will get you looked on as a
weirdo, why bother?

R


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-29 Thread Iain Tatch
2009/9/29 Dirk Koopman d...@tobit.co.uk:

 Question: why do so many (british/possibly english) people drink so much
 tasteless (bland?), yet reasonably alcoholic beer?

Advertising  marketing budgets that, combined across all the large
brewers of mainstream lagers, easily stretch into the hundreds of
millions of pounds.


Iain


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-29 Thread Dirk Koopman

Iain Tatch wrote:

2009/9/29 Dirk Koopman d...@tobit.co.uk:


Question: why do so many (british/possibly english) people drink so much
tasteless (bland?), yet reasonably alcoholic beer?


Advertising  marketing budgets that, combined across all the large
brewers of mainstream lagers, easily stretch into the hundreds of
millions of pounds.


Nope, that is a cop out. There is still perfectly good stuff out there 
brewed by the majors that is not being drunk. Crucially, they see it 
declining and, if asked, their customers seem to agree. Yet the horrible 
stuff, their customers like it and are buying more of it.


What do you expect them to do? What would you do in their position?







Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-29 Thread Abigail
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 12:37:10AM +0800, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:

 Last time I was in NY, I hit a few bars trying to find *anything* local
 and they were all proud of their fine imported European beers. Like
 Heineken, Kronie, Amstel...

 Twats.


Discussing beer isn't any different from discussing computer languages,
is it? Anyone drinking a beer/using a language you don't like is a baboon.


Me, I don't have a preference. I find anyone drinking alcohol a baboon. ;-)


Abigail


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-29 Thread Victoria Conlan (vi...@comps.org)



Thanks James. I'm going to have to move to bloody London aren't I? :)

You could be the single solitary perl coder who volunteers to work at
BBC North ...


Oi, that's my slot!



Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-28 Thread Jacqui Caren

David Cantrell wrote:

Counter-example: strawberries, which are sweet, go really well with
black pepper and a splash of elderflower vinegar.


Hmm steak, watermelon and strawberries :-)

Ok in the mid-west at the peak of summer do you really want to be eating
hot veg?

Steak and strawbs Hmmm.

Jacqu


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-27 Thread Sue Spence
2009/9/27 Ovid publiustemp-londo...@yahoo.com

 - Original Message 

  From: Billy Abbott bi...@cowfish.org.uk
 
  The Hawaiian love of Spam has scared me since I heard of it. Then I saw
  these:
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_musubi
 
  Hawaii is one of the most fearsome places in the world.


 Given that the one time in my life I was homeless was in Hawaii, I have to
 agree.  It's a far scarier place than people know ... unless they're a
 tourist and have plenty of cash on hand.



Did the shelters serve spam?  Or was the lack of spam a problem?   * trying
to keep this thread on topic *


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-26 Thread Billy Abbott

Ovid wrote:

--- On Fri, 25/9/09, Smylers smyl...@stripey.com wrote:

  

From: Smylers smyl...@stripey.com

So does the existence of Spam fritters imply that Spam is
innocuous and free of social stigma?



Assuming we're not referring to fried email, than the answer is yes.

  http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=254168

That assumes you live in Hawaii, of course.
  


The Hawaiian love of Spam has scared me since I heard of it. Then I saw 
these:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_musubi

Hawaii is one of the most fearsome places in the world.

--billy

--
http://billyabbott.co.uk


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-26 Thread Billy Abbott

James Laver wrote:
Frankly, if you don't want to drink your vinegar, it's not fit for 
your food. 


Hie thee to a flavor-tripping party:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_fruit

I've got a small bag of freeze dried powdered Miracle Fruit in the 
fridge and a bottle of white wine vinegar sitting unused in the 
cupboard. Maybe, just maybe...


--billy

--
http://billyabbott.co.uk


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-26 Thread Ovid
- Original Message 

 From: Billy Abbott bi...@cowfish.org.uk
 
 The Hawaiian love of Spam has scared me since I heard of it. Then I saw 
 these:
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_musubi
 
 Hawaii is one of the most fearsome places in the world.


Given that the one time in my life I was homeless was in Hawaii, I have to 
agree.  It's a far scarier place than people know ... unless they're a tourist 
and have plenty of cash on hand.
 
Cheers,
Ovid
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Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-25 Thread Richard Foley
Some people seem to just like interviewing candidates.  Probably makes them 
feel like they're doing something useful, perhaps, or something...

--
Richard Foley
Ciao - shorter than aufwiedersehen

http://www.rfi.net/

On Monday 21 September 2009 16:51:37 James Laver wrote:
 On 21 Sep 2009, at 15:11, Dominic Thoreau wrote:
  LOVEFiLM is powered by Perl and we are hiring.
 
  (I don't work for them - although I did try at one stage)
 
 Lovefilm have been hiring for what seems like decades. Most of  
 london.pm have been there and few have gone very far and it's  
 certainly not for a lack of talent in london.pm
 




Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-25 Thread Piers Cawley
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Ovid publiustemp-londo...@yahoo.com wrote:
 --- On Thu, 24/9/09, James Laver james.la...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: James Laver james.la...@gmail.com

 It's [Scunthorpe] a chav-filled hateful shithole and there is absolutely
 nothing going for it. Come to think of it, I can't even
 think of a decent pub in the whole town.

 Oddly, one of my friends is from there.  He has hair well past his shoulders, 
 always wears Iron Maiden t-shirts, has an Iron Maiden tattoo running down one 
 arm and drinks like a fish.  He has an accent so thick (I'm told it's even 
 thicker than other scunts), that even his British friends have trouble 
 understanding him.

Y'see, when I met him, I didn't think his accent was particularly
incomprehensible. Possibly playing up the yorkshireness a little, but
nothing too bad



Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-25 Thread Jacqui Caren

Richard Foley wrote:
Some people seem to just like interviewing candidates.  Probably makes them 
feel like they're doing something useful, perhaps, or something...


Never understood this - interviewing is hard work - and you only seem to do it
when you are already short handed! :-)

Also the last time we had a hunt, we had a lot of very skilled people (whose
egos would have never fitted in) but ended up with someone with no real perl
skills but he picked perl up in no time and left a year or two ago and is
now the perl expert in his new job!

Jacqui


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-25 Thread Richard Foley
Yours sounds like a success story (one more Perl person too :)  And I couldn't 
agree more with your sentiment, it's the right people you need, not the 
ability to quote from the man page.  After all that's why it's there: to 
RTFM ;-)

--
Richard Foley
Ciao - shorter than aufwiedersehen

http://www.rfi.net/

On Friday 25 September 2009 09:32:18 Jacqui Caren wrote:
 Richard Foley wrote:
  Some people seem to just like interviewing candidates.  Probably makes 
them 
  feel like they're doing something useful, perhaps, or something...
 
 Never understood this - interviewing is hard work - and you only seem to do 
it
 when you are already short handed! :-)
 
 Also the last time we had a hunt, we had a lot of very skilled people (whose
 egos would have never fitted in) but ended up with someone with no real perl
 skills but he picked perl up in no time and left a year or two ago and is
 now the perl expert in his new job!
 
 Jacqui
 




Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-25 Thread Andy Wardley

On 24/09/2009 12:37, Ovid wrote:

one of my friends [...] always wears Iron Maiden t-shirts, has an Iron Maiden 
tattoo


Well at least he has good taste in music. :-)

I saw a youngster at the skatepark the other day wearing a Number of the
Beast T-Shirt. I was about to tell him that I once slept (well, drunk beer)
outside Hammersmith Odeon all night to get a front-row seat for the Beast
on the Road Tour.  But then I realised that this must have happened at least
10 years before he was born and I suddenly felt rather old...

A



Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-25 Thread Philip Newton
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:22, Andy Wardley a...@wardley.org wrote:
 To: publiustemp-londo...@yahoo.com,
 London.pm Perl M[ou]ngers london.pm@london.pm.org

What's that when it's at home?

Cheers,
Philip
-- 
Philip Newton philip.new...@gmail.com


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-25 Thread Peter Corlett

On 25 Sep 2009, at 01:27, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
[...]

Oh god, don't. I shall be touring with a band in early November and
whilst the first two dates are civilised: London and Oxford, but from
then on we're in arse-ends like Sheffield,


Excellent drinking: I recommend the Devonshire Cat, Fat Cat, Dove and  
Rainbow, and possibly the Red Deer. The Winter Garden is worth an  
amble through.



Nottingham,


The Trip to Jerusalem pub is an interesting historic building,  
although the beer is merely adequate and you'd be better off going to  
the Saluation Inn round the corner. Nottingham Castle is nice to  
wander around.


It's otherwise a fairly dull city, which is why I left at age 18 and  
never looked back.



Stoke and heaven forbid, Glasgow.


I can't say that Stoke appeals, but I really do want to visit Glasgow  
one day to see if people really do eat deep-fried Mars bars, or  
whether they were invented to wind up the English.





Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-25 Thread Roger Burton West
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:28:12AM +0100, Peter Corlett wrote:

I can't say that Stoke appeals, but I really do want to visit Glasgow  
one day to see if people really do eat deep-fried Mars bars, or  
whether they were invented to wind up the English.

Both. They were invented as a joke to sell to tourists, but now they
sell to the more-easily-led locals too.


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-25 Thread Martin Robertson
2009/9/25 Peter Corlett ab...@cabal.org.uk:
 On 25 Sep 2009, at 01:27, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 [...]

 snip
 Stoke and heaven forbid, Glasgow.

 I can't say that Stoke appeals, but I really do want to visit Glasgow one
 day to see if people really do eat deep-fried Mars bars, or whether they
 were invented to wind up the English.

oh aye, thats a good yin.
aah suppose its awll in hoo ya frame the question, no?

you would find Gla city centre ( in fact all over)
full of excellent supplies of excellent beer :)

mart.


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-25 Thread Jacqui Caren

Roger Burton West wrote:

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:28:12AM +0100, Peter Corlett wrote:

I can't say that Stoke appeals, but I really do want to visit Glasgow  
one day to see if people really do eat deep-fried Mars bars, or  
whether they were invented to wind up the English.


Both. They were invented as a joke to sell to tourists, but now they
sell to the more-easily-led locals too.


Our local chippy does them. A good friend of the family is mars bar
crazy (a chocoholic) and Paul got him one when we had a chippy supper
a while back. He *loved* it!

My fave is deep fried bannana/plantain.

Jacqui


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-25 Thread James Laver
Surely when it's something innocuous like plantain, we call it a 'fritter'
and the social stigma is taken away?

--James
Sent from my android phone, please forgive my brevity.

On Sep 25, 2009 1:05 PM, Jacqui Caren jacqui.ca...@ntlworld.com wrote:

Roger Burton West wrote:   On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:28:12AM +0100, Peter
Corlett wrote:   I c...
Our local chippy does them. A good friend of the family is mars bar
crazy (a chocoholic) and Paul got him one when we had a chippy supper
a while back. He *loved* it!

My fave is deep fried bannana/plantain.

Jacqui


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-25 Thread Smylers
James Laver writes:

 Surely when it's something innocuous like plantain, we call it a
 'fritter' and the social stigma is taken away?

So does the existence of Spam fritters imply that Spam is innocuous and
free of social stigma?

Smylers


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-25 Thread Ovid
--- On Fri, 25/9/09, Smylers smyl...@stripey.com wrote:

 From: Smylers smyl...@stripey.com

 So does the existence of Spam fritters imply that Spam is
 innocuous and free of social stigma?

Assuming we're not referring to fried email, than the answer is yes.

  http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=254168

That assumes you live in Hawaii, of course.

Cheers,
Ovid
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Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-25 Thread Smylers
Ovid writes:

 --- On Fri, 25/9/09, Smylers smyl...@stripey.com wrote:
 
  From: Smylers smyl...@stripey.com
 
  So does the existence of Spam fritters imply that Spam is
  innocuous and free of social stigma?
 
 Assuming we're not referring to fried email,

Mmmm, fried e-mail ...

 than the answer is yes.
 
   http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=254168
 
 That assumes you live in Hawaii, of course.

Seems an entirely reasonable assumption for London.pm.

Smylers


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-25 Thread Dave Hodgkinson


On 25 Sep 2009, at 18:28, Peter Corlett wrote:


I can't say that Stoke appeals, but I really do want to visit  
Glasgow one day to see if people really do eat deep-fried Mars bars,  
or whether they were invented to wind up the English.


Careful. In danger of giving the Dutch the culinary high ground here.
Which in Holland, isn't very high.

--
Dave HodgkinsonMSN: daveh...@hotmail.com
Site: http://www.davehodgkinson.com  UK: +44 7768 490620
Blog: http://www.davehodgkinson.com/blog
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/davehodg










Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-25 Thread Peter Corlett

On 25 Sep 2009, at 16:18, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
[...]

Careful. In danger of giving the Dutch the culinary high ground here.
Which in Holland, isn't very high.


Deep-fried Mars bars still have the edge on kroketten.




Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-25 Thread Simon Wilcox

On 25/9/09 16:47, Peter Corlett wrote:

On 25 Sep 2009, at 16:18, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
[...]

Careful. In danger of giving the Dutch the culinary high ground here.
Which in Holland, isn't very high.


Deep-fried Mars bars still have the edge on kroketten.


My wife loves those things, esp. out of vending machine/kitchen places 
at Schiphol  Den Haag. Mind you, she is Dutch.


S.


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-25 Thread Dirk Koopman

Peter Corlett wrote:

On 25 Sep 2009, at 16:18, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
[...]

Careful. In danger of giving the Dutch the culinary high ground here.
Which in Holland, isn't very high.


Deep-fried Mars bars still have the edge on kroketten.



Really? I wonder what DFMBs taste like with mustard?





Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-25 Thread Dave Hodgkinson


On 26 Sep 2009, at 00:06, Simon Wilcox wrote:


On 25/9/09 16:47, Peter Corlett wrote:

On 25 Sep 2009, at 16:18, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
[...]
Careful. In danger of giving the Dutch the culinary high ground  
here.

Which in Holland, isn't very high.

Deep-fried Mars bars still have the edge on kroketten.


My wife loves those things, esp. out of vending machine/kitchen  
places at Schiphol  Den Haag. Mind you, she is Dutch.




Circular reference then.

--
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Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-25 Thread A Smith
Stir fried spam, a selection of veg with a nice Thai sauce and noodles makes
a quick,warm and very tasty  meal  for 1...n  people. A good standy to keep
as an emergency in the store cupboard along with a few packs of frozen
vegetables like peas,sweetcorn,carrots, beans,etc.  So you can stay a
healthy Perl programmer.   Visual Basic programmers leave out the veg.
Haskell programmers add salmon or tuna.

Andrew in Edinburgh

2009/9/25 Ovid publiustemp-londo...@yahoo.com

 --- On Fri, 25/9/09, Smylers smyl...@stripey.com wrote:

  From: Smylers smyl...@stripey.com
 
  So does the existence of Spam fritters imply that Spam is
  innocuous and free of social stigma?

 Assuming we're not referring to fried email, than the answer is yes.

  http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=254168

 That assumes you live in Hawaii, of course.

 Cheers,
 Ovid
 --
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Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-25 Thread Peter Corlett

On 25 Sep 2009, at 17:22, Dirk Koopman wrote:

Peter Corlett wrote:

[...]

Deep-fried Mars bars still have the edge on kroketten.

Really? I wonder what DFMBs taste like with mustard?


Given that they're sweet, I expect it'd be worse than without.

More appropriate condiments might be sugar, raspberry syrup, or if you  
want to scare onlookers, tomato ketchup.





Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-25 Thread David Cantrell
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 06:03:24PM +0100, Peter Corlett wrote:
 On 25 Sep 2009, at 17:22, Dirk Koopman wrote:
 Peter Corlett wrote:
 Deep-fried Mars bars still have the edge on kroketten.
 Really? I wonder what DFMBs taste like with mustard?
 Given that they're sweet, I expect it'd be worse than without.

Counter-example: strawberries, which are sweet, go really well with
black pepper and a splash of elderflower vinegar.

-- 
David Cantrell | Nth greatest programmer in the world

Guns aren't the problem.  People who deserve to die are the problem.


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-25 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 12:02 PM, David Cantrell da...@cantrell.org.uk wrote:
 On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 06:03:24PM +0100, Peter Corlett wrote:
 On 25 Sep 2009, at 17:22, Dirk Koopman wrote:
 Peter Corlett wrote:
 Deep-fried Mars bars still have the edge on kroketten.
 Really? I wonder what DFMBs taste like with mustard?
 Given that they're sweet, I expect it'd be worse than without.

 Counter-example: strawberries, which are sweet, go really well with
 black pepper and a splash of elderflower vinegar.

A local (SF) delicacy: maple bacon donuts, salted licorice ice-cream,
and bacon peanut brittle. Latter is practically crack.


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-25 Thread Dirk Koopman

Paul Makepeace wrote:

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 12:02 PM, David Cantrell da...@cantrell.org.uk wrote:

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 06:03:24PM +0100, Peter Corlett wrote:

On 25 Sep 2009, at 17:22, Dirk Koopman wrote:

Peter Corlett wrote:

Deep-fried Mars bars still have the edge on kroketten.

Really? I wonder what DFMBs taste like with mustard?

Given that they're sweet, I expect it'd be worse than without.

Counter-example: strawberries, which are sweet, go really well with
black pepper and a splash of elderflower vinegar.


A local (SF) delicacy: maple bacon donuts, salted licorice ice-cream,
and bacon peanut brittle. Latter is practically crack.



All of which are either Dutch or Scandinavian in origin. And so round we 
go again...


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-25 Thread lesleyb
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:28:12AM +0100, Peter Corlett wrote:
 On 25 Sep 2009, at 01:27, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 [...]
 Oh god, don't. I shall be touring with a band in early November and
 whilst the first two dates are civilised: London and Oxford, but from
 then on we're in arse-ends like Sheffield,

 Excellent drinking: I recommend the Devonshire Cat, Fat Cat, Dove and  
 Rainbow, and possibly the Red Deer. The Winter Garden is worth an amble 
 through.

+1 on the Fat Cat  - most excellent beers and the Purple Haze was gorgeous
last time it was on.
 Nottingham,

 The Trip to Jerusalem pub is an interesting historic building, although 
 the beer is merely adequate and you'd be better off going to the 
 Saluation Inn round the corner. Nottingham Castle is nice to wander 
 around.

The Pit and Pendulum - I never drank the beer there but did try one or two
of their seven deadly sins.

snip


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-25 Thread James Laver

On 25 Sep 2009, at 20:02, David Cantrell wrote:


Counter-example: strawberries, which are sweet, go really well with
black pepper and a splash of elderflower vinegar.


And they go well with Balsamic vinegar too, it's one of my strange  
favourites.


Although I *have* been known to drink small glasses of vinegar.  
Frankly, if you don't want to drink your vinegar, it's not fit for  
your food.


--James


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-24 Thread Sue Spence
2009/9/24 Peter Corlett ab...@cabal.org.uk

 On 24 Sep 2009, at 00:58, Sue Spence wrote:
 [...]

 Does this mean that Huddersfield is in fact somewhere you'd like to
 relocate
 to?  I had only picked it because the name sounds like naughty cow parts.



 Come on, is that the best you could do when there is Penistone just down
 the road :)



Gosh no.  If I had wanted to move the conversation in that direction, I'd've
suggested Sc**thorpe.



 Huddersfield is a satellite town of the Leeds/Bradford conurbation. It's a
 fairly stereotypical grim Northern town. I'm sure it must have some appeal,
 but not to me. Not when there is Manchester or Leeds nearby.


 Awww,  Huddersfield has a lot of character for an old mill town, and a
surprising amount of charm IMO. It  also has a working Tardis, which the Dr
is kindly letting the police use(*).  J-L. Picard makes a point of visiting
regularly as well, though nobody has actually seen the Enterprise at the
same time (unless they were watching tv).  Real ale is plentiful. The train
station is an architectural gem (grade I listed) with a tasteful statue of
Harold Wilson in the plaza in front.  It's hardly Venice (or even Skipton)
but the canals and mill redevelopment set it off nicely in certain spots.  I
won't be moving there from North Yorkshire anytime soon but Leeds and
Manchester are definitely further down my own personal list of 'places I'd
consider living in'. :-)

(*) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/8111364.stm


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-24 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 01:06:51AM +0100, Sue Spence wrote:
 2009/9/23 Lesley lesl...@herlug.org.uk

  And I have been to Amsters from time to time but never work related.
  Last time I went a travelling companion was most distressed at the
  price of baked beans.  Heinz baked beans cost a fortune over there.
 
 
 That's so strange, isn't it?  You'd think they were imported or something.

Has HP sauce got cheaper in The Netherlands in the past couple of years?

Nicholas Clark


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-24 Thread Jurgen Pletinckx
 Has HP sauce got cheaper in The Netherlands in the past couple of years?

Huh. Wikipedia claims production was moved to Elst, The Netherlands
in 2007. One would expect it to show up in Dutch shops, in that case ...

(More precisely, Elst for Europe, and North York, Ontario for Canada).

-- 
Jurgen Pletinckx


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-24 Thread Billy Abbott

Jurgen Pletinckx wrote:

Has HP sauce got cheaper in The Netherlands in the past couple of years?


Huh. Wikipedia claims production was moved to Elst, The Netherlands
in 2007. One would expect it to show up in Dutch shops, in that case ...


Altoids are made in Wales, but you only seem to get the Cinnamon ones in 
the USA and Cybercandy...


--billy

--
http://billyabbott.co.uk
You say tomato, I say EMACS


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-24 Thread James Laver

On 24 Sep 2009, at 09:57, Jurgen Pletinckx wrote:


Huh. Wikipedia claims production was moved to Elst, The Netherlands
in 2007. One would expect it to show up in Dutch shops, in that  
case ...


And A1 Steak Sauce is only made in Vauxhall and only consumed in the  
USA, much to the chagrin of all my american friends living in London.


I suspect parting with a twenty during smoke break time out the steps  
at the back of the factory would get you a couple of bottles.


--James


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-24 Thread Sue Spence
2009/9/24 Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org

 On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 01:06:51AM +0100, Sue Spence wrote:
  2009/9/23 Lesley lesl...@herlug.org.uk

   And I have been to Amsters from time to time but never work related.
   Last time I went a travelling companion was most distressed at the
   price of baked beans.  Heinz baked beans cost a fortune over there.
  
 
  That's so strange, isn't it?  You'd think they were imported or
 something.

 Has HP sauce got cheaper in The Netherlands in the past couple of years?


Heh. I wonder if they actually sell enough there to justify dropping off a
case or two every so often at A. Heijn after loading up the containers that
head to the UK.  :-)


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-24 Thread James Laver

On 24 Sep 2009, at 07:05, Sue Spence wrote:

Gosh no.  If I had wanted to move the conversation in that  
direction, I'd've

suggested Sc**thorpe.


Which, alas, is where I went to college. And yes, the college internet  
filters blocked googling for it.


It's a chav-filled hateful shithole and there is absolutely nothing  
going for it. Come to think of it, I can't even think of a decent pub  
in the whole town.


--James


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-24 Thread James Coupe
2009/9/24 James Laver james.la...@gmail.com:
 And A1 Steak Sauce is only made in Vauxhall and only consumed in the USA,
 much to the chagrin of all my american friends living in London.

http://www.panzers.co.uk/ - USA Foods - Pickles

A1 Sauce, £5.80 a bottle (ow), with a handy A1 Steak Sauce picture
to the right.  They're located in St John's Wood, so not that hard to
get to.  I've directed a few Americans in the UK to Panzers before,
and they seem to be particularly well-liked for traditional
Thanksgiving ingredients.

An American colleague who likes to cook has also recommended
Selfridges for some ingredients.
-- 
James Coupe



Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-24 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:14:01AM +0100, James Coupe wrote:
 2009/9/24 James Laver james.la...@gmail.com:
  And A1 Steak Sauce is only made in Vauxhall and only consumed in the USA,
  much to the chagrin of all my american friends living in London.
 
 http://www.panzers.co.uk/ - USA Foods - Pickles

Oh, wonderful. Compare that with http://www.panzers.co.uk/pickles.phtml

Frames are bad, m'kay. Deep linking is your friend, and drives natural
traffic.

Basic S.E.O. is not rocket science. (As isn't site speed optimisation)
Yet most of the world *still* doesn't seem to get it, 10 years on.

Nicholas Clark


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-24 Thread James Laver

On 24 Sep 2009, at 11:25, Nicholas Clark wrote:

Oh, wonderful. Compare that with http://www.panzers.co.uk/ 
pickles.phtml


Frames are bad, m'kay. Deep linking is your friend, and drives  
natural

traffic.

Basic S.E.O. is not rocket science. (As isn't site speed optimisation)
Yet most of the world *still* doesn't seem to get it, 10 years on.

Nicholas Clark


Impressively feigned surprise there.

Rule 1. HTH.

--James


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-24 Thread Sue Spence
2009/9/24 Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org

 On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:14:01AM +0100, James Coupe wrote:
  2009/9/24 James Laver james.la...@gmail.com:
   And A1 Steak Sauce is only made in Vauxhall and only consumed in the
 USA,
   much to the chagrin of all my american friends living in London.
 
  http://www.panzers.co.uk/ - USA Foods - Pickles

 Oh, wonderful. Compare that with http://www.panzers.co.uk/pickles.phtml

 Frames are bad, m'kay. Deep linking is your friend, and drives natural
 traffic.

 Basic S.E.O. is not rocket science. (As isn't site speed optimisation)
 Yet most of the world *still* doesn't seem to get it, 10 years on.



Damn, you tempted me to click on a link inside the site.  They say it is for
'foodies' (not even going to worry about the gulf in definition of that word
between how i'd define it and how they obviously do), but they are selling
the most garden variety foods possible. Predictable, but funny anyway..


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-24 Thread James Laver


On 24 Sep 2009, at 11:52, Sue Spence wrote:


Damn, you tempted me to click on a link inside the site.  They say  
it is for
'foodies' (not even going to worry about the gulf in definition of  
that word
between how i'd define it and how they obviously do), but they are  
selling
the most garden variety foods possible. Predictable, but funny  
anyway..


But wait!

A CORPORATE DISCOUNT OF 5% ON ORDERS OVER £3,000

Clearly that makes all the difference.

--James


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-24 Thread Jasper
2009/9/24 James Laver james.la...@gmail.com:

 On 24 Sep 2009, at 11:52, Sue Spence wrote:

 Damn, you tempted me to click on a link inside the site.  They say it is
 for
 'foodies' (not even going to worry about the gulf in definition of that
 word
 between how i'd define it and how they obviously do), but they are selling
 the most garden variety foods possible. Predictable, but funny anyway..

 But wait!

 A CORPORATE DISCOUNT OF 5% ON ORDERS OVER £3,000

 Clearly that makes all the difference.

I like the way they sell canola oil for £5.80 (for some indeterminate
amount) when one can buy it in Sainsbury's.

-- 
Jasper



Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-24 Thread Joel Bernstein
2009/9/24 Jasper jaspermcc...@gmail.com:
 I like the way they sell canola oil for £5.80 (for some indeterminate
 amount) when one can buy it in Sainsbury's.

It's practically rape.

/joel



Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-24 Thread James Laver

On 24 Sep 2009, at 12:37, Ovid wrote:

He has an accent so thick (I'm told it's even thicker than other  
scunts)


Contrary to popular belief, there is no scunthorpe accent. I'm  
*loving* the word 'scunts' though. Head a few miles away to Goole and  
there are accents galore. Goole is possibly the only small town to  
have it's own set of regional accents. North Goole is nothing like  
East Goole.


Sad, but when I was somewhat younger, we used to look forward to going  
to scunthorpe. It was actually considered a day out. Of course since I  
came from somewhere that had nothing more exciting than 6 charity  
shops...


--James


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-24 Thread Ovid
--- On Thu, 24/9/09, Joel Bernstein j...@fysh.org wrote:

 From: Joel Bernstein j...@fysh.org

  I like the way they sell canola oil for £5.80 (for
 some indeterminate
  amount) when one can buy it in Sainsbury's.
 
 It's practically rape.

That was an awful, awful pun.  You should be ashamed of yourself.

Cheers,
Ovid
--
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Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-24 Thread Joel Bernstein
2009/9/24 Ovid publiustemp-londo...@yahoo.com:
 --- On Thu, 24/9/09, Joel Bernstein j...@fysh.org wrote:

 From: Joel Bernstein j...@fysh.org

  I like the way they sell canola oil for £5.80 (for
 some indeterminate
  amount) when one can buy it in Sainsbury's.

 It's practically rape.

 That was an awful, awful pun.  You should be ashamed of yourself.

It was, and I'm not.

/joel



Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-24 Thread sue
2009/9/24 Ovid publiustemp-londo...@yahoo.com

 --- On Thu, 24/9/09, Joel Bernstein j...@fysh.org wrote:

  From: Joel Bernstein j...@fysh.org
 
   I like the way they sell canola oil for £5.80 (for
  some indeterminate
   amount) when one can buy it in Sainsbury's.
 
  It's practically rape.

 That was an awful, awful pun.  You should be ashamed of yourself.



Did you think so? I thought it was ravishingly beautiful.


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-24 Thread Martin Robertson
2009/9/24 sue s...@pennine.com:
 2009/9/24 Ovid publiustemp-londo...@yahoo.com

 --- On Thu, 24/9/09, Joel Bernstein j...@fysh.org wrote:

  From: Joel Bernstein j...@fysh.org
 
   I like the way they sell canola oil for £5.80 (for
  some indeterminate
   amount) when one can buy it in Sainsbury's.
 
  It's practically rape.

 That was an awful, awful pun.  You should be ashamed of yourself.



 Did you think so? I thought it was ravishingly beautiful.


true.  also, yellow for some value of synesthesia.



Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-24 Thread lesleyb
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:54:17PM +0100, James Laver wrote:
 On 24 Sep 2009, at 12:37, Ovid wrote:

 He has an accent so thick (I'm told it's even thicker than other  
 scunts)

 Contrary to popular belief, there is no scunthorpe accent. I'm *loving* 
 the word 'scunts' though. Head a few miles away to Goole and there are 
 accents galore. Goole is possibly the only small town to have it's own 
 set of regional accents. North Goole is nothing like East Goole.

 Sad, but when I was somewhat younger, we used to look forward to going  
 to scunthorpe. It was actually considered a day out. Of course since I  
 came from somewhere that had nothing more exciting than 6 charity  
 shops...

oh Sheffield lad, then ?


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-24 Thread Dave Hodgkinson


On 25 Sep 2009, at 03:45, lesl...@herlug.org.uk wrote:


On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:54:17PM +0100, James Laver wrote:

On 24 Sep 2009, at 12:37, Ovid wrote:


He has an accent so thick (I'm told it's even thicker than other
scunts)


Contrary to popular belief, there is no scunthorpe accent. I'm  
*loving*
the word 'scunts' though. Head a few miles away to Goole and there  
are
accents galore. Goole is possibly the only small town to have it's  
own

set of regional accents. North Goole is nothing like East Goole.

Sad, but when I was somewhat younger, we used to look forward to  
going
to scunthorpe. It was actually considered a day out. Of course  
since I

came from somewhere that had nothing more exciting than 6 charity
shops...


oh Sheffield lad, then ?


Oh god, don't. I shall be touring with a band in early November and
whilst the first two dates are civilised: London and Oxford, but from
then on we're in arse-ends like Sheffield, Nottingham, Stoke and
heaven forbid, Glasgow.

--
Dave HodgkinsonMSN: daveh...@hotmail.com
Site: http://www.davehodgkinson.com  UK: +44 7768 490620
Blog: http://www.davehodgkinson.com/blog
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/davehodg










Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-23 Thread Richard Foley
On Tuesday 22 September 2009 18:35:29 Dirk Koopman wrote:

 In any case, what's wrong with a culture that has a whole class of food 
 that is specifically designed to enable one to consume more alcohol?
 
You mean, because Dutch food is so damned terrible, presumably ?-)

--
Richard Foley
Ciao - shorter than aufwiedersehen

http://www.rfi.net/





Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-23 Thread Avleen Vig
I was in Amsterdam a couple of times last year and ate and drank  
around a bit. It was distinctly mediocre and quite expensive. The  
highlight was probably the Scotch place with over 1,000 whiskies,  
but at typically EUR10/20ml, was a rather inefficient way to get  
pissed.


Good scotch is not for getting pissed on, but for savouring and  
enjoying :)


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-23 Thread Dave Cross

On 23/09/2009 09:41, Avleen Vig wrote:

I was in Amsterdam a couple of times last year and ate and drank
around a bit. It was distinctly mediocre and quite expensive. The
highlight was probably the Scotch place with over 1,000 whiskies,
but at typically EUR10/20ml, was a rather inefficient way to get
pissed.


Good scotch is not for getting pissed on, but for savouring and
enjoying :)


You're not from round here, are you :-)

Dave...



Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-23 Thread James Laver

On 23 Sep 2009, at 09:51, Dave Cross wrote:


You're not from round here, are you :-)

Dave...



We don't all have gold-plated cats, Dave.

Good scotch is too expensive to get pissed on and is for enjoying,  
beer on the other hand can be enjoyed while getting pissed ;)


--James


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-23 Thread Dirk Koopman

Peter Corlett wrote:
I was in Amsterdam a couple of times last year and ate and drank around 
a bit. It was distinctly mediocre and quite expensive. The highlight was 
probably the Scotch place with over 1,000 whiskies, but at typically 
EUR10/20ml, was a rather inefficient way to get pissed.




Er.. One of the standard ways of getting pissed is drinking several 
qw(pils jenever) tuples (otherwise known locally as headbangers). This 
is generally cheaper than drinking imported scotch.


 In any case, what's wrong with a culture that has a whole class of
 food that is specifically designed to enable one to consume more 
alcohol?


 Alcohol that, I note, comes from other nations...

You are either (deliberately?) drinking foreign muck or frequenting the 
wrong establishments. You may also be prejudiced against drinking stuff 
that you mistaken call lager. This would be a mistake, as they don't 
taste anything like lager does in the UK and, in any case, there are 
other local alternatives (some *much* darker in colour). Ale is, 
however, not a native concept that one sees much on the continong.



 I still reckon the People's Republic of Yorkshire produce the best beer.

Each to his own, it's OK but nothing special. But at least you will 
comfortable with the concept of having a noticeable layer of foam on the 
top of your beer.


 Shame it's mostly undrinkable by the time it's travelled to London.

Agreed.

Dirk


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-23 Thread Roger Burton West
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 09:50:58PM +0100, Peter Corlett wrote:

I still reckon the People's Republic of Yorkshire produce the best  
beer. Shame it's mostly undrinkable by the time it's travelled to  
London.

Why not brew your own?

R (last time I was in Amsterdam involved jonge genever (sp?) and gets a
bit hazy)


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-23 Thread Ovid
- Original Message 

 From: Avleen Vig avl...@gmail.com
 
 Good scotch is not for getting pissed on, but for savouring and enjoying :)

Could you explain that to my niece? I visited the US recently and brought over 
a bottle of Green Spot. She took one sip, said it was great, and then shot the 
rest. I could have cried. Next time, I'll buy her whiskey which comes in a soft 
plastic bottle.

 
Cheers,
Ovid
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Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-23 Thread jesse



  Good scotch is not for getting pissed on, but for savouring and enjoying :)
 
 Could you explain that to my niece? I visited the US recently and brought 
 over a bottle of Green Spot. She took one sip, said it was great, and then 
 shot the rest. I could have cried. Next time, I'll buy her whiskey which 
 comes in a soft plastic bottle.

Technically, Green Spot is Irish Whiskey, not Scotch. 

That said, *cry* - Do you know how hard that stuff is to get in the US?


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-23 Thread James Laver

On 23 Sep 2009, at 13:38, Ovid wrote:

Could you explain that to my niece? I visited the US recently and  
brought over a bottle of Green Spot. She took one sip, said it was  
great, and then shot the rest. I could have cried. Next time, I'll  
buy her whiskey which comes in a soft plastic bottle.


I've always just had the rule You're welcome to drink my scotch if I  
think you'll appreciate it. Gets around cases like this.


Other good rules:
- You can't have it if you're going to mix it with coke
- You can't have it if your usual purchase is Bells
- You can't have it if you're going to put an ice cube in it  
(controversial, that one)


Also applies to good ports, wines and other spirits

--James


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-23 Thread Sue Spence
2009/9/22 Peter Corlett ab...@cabal.org.uk

 I was in Amsterdam a couple of times last year and ate and drank around a
 bit. It was distinctly mediocre and quite expensive. The highlight was
 probably the Scotch place with over 1,000 whiskies, but at typically
 EUR10/20ml, was a rather inefficient way to get pissed.



A few years ago I used to report to a manager based in Amsterdam, where my
$work maintains a rather large data centre and quite a few staff.  As a
result I was fortunate enough to go there several times and spend a bit of
time.  The food on offer appeared to be of a reasonable standard.  I
particularly enjoyed some of the Indonesian food I had, but there was
nothing particularly bad about the rest.  On the whole I really like
Amsterdam  the Netherlands and it wouldn't take a lot to convince me to go
work there, if I were looking for another job.



 In any case, what's wrong with a culture that has a whole class of food
 that is specifically designed to enable one to consume more alcohol?


Alcohol that, I note, comes from other nations...

 I still reckon the People's Republic of Yorkshire produce the best beer.
 Shame it's mostly undrinkable by the time it's travelled to London.


Humbug.  Don't know why you don't get yourself a job up in Huddersfield,
though.   :-)


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-23 Thread Dominic Thoreau
2009/9/23 Sue Spence s...@pennine.com:
 2009/9/22 Peter Corlett ab...@cabal.org.uk

 I was in Amsterdam a couple of times last year and ate and drank around a
 bit. It was distinctly mediocre and quite expensive. The highlight was
 A few years ago I used to report to a manager based in Amsterdam, where my
 $work maintains a rather large data centre and quite a few staff.  As a

At the moment head office for me is Amsterdam, and I work in small
outpost of three and a bit people.
I travel there several times a year - if anyone can get specific
recommendations about good places to eat in Amsterdam that charge on a
scale I can fit on my expense claims, that would be good.

I suppose adding reviews of the places I went to a hypothetical
randomness guide to amsterdam would be good, because randomness is the
best word to describe the boss's  hotel selection for staff
traveling.

Dominic
-- 
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and
remove all doubt.
-- Abraham Lincoln



Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-23 Thread Matt Jones
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Sue Spence s...@pennine.com wrote:
 I still reckon the People's Republic of Yorkshire produce the best beer.
 Shame it's mostly undrinkable by the time it's travelled to London.

 Humbug.  Don't know why you don't get yourself a job up in Huddersfield,
 though.   :-)

Oh, don't do that, it's awful: last bank holiday weekend I had to
choose between five concurrent beer festivals. I only made it to
three.

Horrifying hardship, that.

-- 
Matt



Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-23 Thread Philippe Bruhat (BooK)
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 02:11:01PM +0100, Sue Spence wrote:
 A few years ago I used to report to a manager based in Amsterdam, where my
 $work maintains a rather large data centre and quite a few staff.  As a
 result I was fortunate enough to go there several times and spend a bit of
 time.  The food on offer appeared to be of a reasonable standard.

For brits.

-- 
 Philippe Bruhat (BooK)

 The way to a man's heart is through his stomach- a route which takes you
 nowhere near his brain.(Moral from Groo The Wanderer #28 (Epic))


Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?

2009-09-23 Thread Avleen Vig

On Sep 23, 2009, at 5:38, Ovid publiustemp-londo...@yahoo.com wrote:


- Original Message 


From: Avleen Vig avl...@gmail.com

Good scotch is not for getting pissed on, but for savouring and  
enjoying :)


Could you explain that to my niece? I visited the US recently and  
brought over a bottle of Green Spot. She took one sip, said it was  
great, and then shot the rest. I could have cried. Next time, I'll  
buy her whiskey which comes in a soft plastic bottle.


There's a definite culture of doing that kind of thing here (I'm in  
the US too now) with the younger generation. Get blatted as fast as  
possible. Never mad sense to me :)


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