Re: Layout file not usable

[Guenter Milde]

On 2010-03-22, Tim Wescott wrote:

 I'm working hard at being a brand-new user, but I'm still a 
 user-wannabe, because things ain't working!  I'm using Ubuntu 9.10, 
 brand shiny new installation of Lyx.  I try to create a document from a 
 template (any template, but I'll use latex8 as an example)

Really *any*?? 

Just to sort out principal failure: Could you test with a new standard
document (Ctrl-N), type a simple sentence and view the PDF?

 and I get the following:

 The layout file requested by this document, latex8.layout, is not
 usable. This is probably because a LaTeX class or style file required
 by it is not available. See the Customization documentation for more
 information. LyX will not be able to produce output.

This indicates that a latex document-class is missing. 

 I tried reconfigure -- no luck.

 I tried running texhash -- no luck.

 I verified that /usr/share/lyx/layouts is there, and that it has 
 latex8.layout (and all the others that didn't work) in it.

You will need to install more of texlive than just the basics (which are
auto-installed as a LyX dependency).

In your example, you should look for latex8.cls or latex8.sty. If it is
not on your system, try e.g. `apt-file find latex8.cls`` to see which
package you need to install. (Actually, I did not find a package that
ships latex8 for Debian, so this might even be a download from CTAN and
install 'by hand' documentclass, however, you might e.g. find the
seminar class in texlive-latex-recommended.)

Günter

Re: a few chapter*s between TOC and chapter 1 (NOT part of TOC)???

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Feb 23, Helge Hafting did say:

 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
  The sequence is the TOC followed by a tex code box containing:
  \mainmatter
  \pagenumbering{roman}
  
  Then a few short chapter*(s) That are not part of the numbered chapters.
  And it is not desired for them to be labeled as contents in the output
  (pdf)
  
  Then there is another tex code box containing:
  \pagenumbering{arabic}
  
  And finally  Chapter 1...
  
  How can I stop output from inserting the word contents into the
  the page header of the chapter*{s} without relocating them to
  before the TOC, nor after chapter 1???
 
 This works for document class book:
 
 Immediately after the TOC (before your chapter*), an ERT box with
 \pagestyle{plain}
 This gets rid of the running header you didn't want. You will still
 get contents on TOC pages, if your TOC spans more than one page.
 
 The first normal text in the first chapter should start with an ERT box with:
 \pagestyle{headings}
 in order to reinstate the running headers that you probably want for your
 numbered chapters.
 
 The page styles:
 empty - nothing, not even a page number
 plain - a page number, nothing more
 headings  - page number and running header (with the chapter name,
 usually)
 myheadings- user defined by using more ERT (\markright or \markboth
 whenever you want the running headers to change)
 fancy - Even more user defined. Maybe you want a logo in the
 heading, a colored page number, anything goes but
 more ERT is needed.
 
 Note that the \pagestyle command is only necessary if you want running
 headers in the normal chapters but not elsewhere. If you don't want
 any running headers at all, just turn them off in document settings,
 page style set to plain.  No need for ERT then.
 
 To style a single page differently: \thispagestyle{plain} in an ERT box
 anywhere on that page.

Like I said previously Helge, the insertion of \pagestyle{plain} 
\pagestyle{headings} in the places you described worked for what I wanted
for the current project. But I spent some time trying to figure out how to
use \pagestyle{myheadings} with somewhat less success.

I found that By using \pagestyle{myheadings} instead of \pagestyle{plain}
I could then get SOME control over the headers of my chapter* with
\markboth{header text}{other header text}
One problem was that it wouldn't print on the 1st page of a chapter* But
that was only a minor aggravation. The real problem was that the 
\pagestyle{headings} I'd inserted just before the first normal text of
the first normal chapter, no longer caused it to resume the default
headers that I'd normally get for the chapters. But kept on using the
page header(s) I'd set with \markboth{header text}{other header text}
What would I have to do to get the normal headers to resume after setting
up a chapter* to use \pagestyle{myheadings} ???

And if you could be so kind as to point me at a good {example rich} how-to that
covers doing something similar to a document class book with \pagestyle{fancy}
I'd be grateful. Cause I failed to get that working at all... sigh

Sorry to be such a pest.

-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|  ?   ?   Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^J(tWdy)P
|\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Trevor Jenkins]

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Jose Quesada ques...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 3:28 AM, rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com wrote:

  On 03/20/2010 09:23 PM, Jose Quesada wrote:
 
    1. incremental search
  Do you mean F3?

 no, I mean that as you type in the search box things that match get
 immediately active. No need to press enter, it works together with 'search
 highlight occurences'. the best way to experience this is to open vim, press
 / and start typing your search term. Word 2010 does this too (took them 10
 years :) )

A better example would be emacs (not trying to start an editors war).
And holding up any version of Word as an examplar is probably not
sensible. There are much more important things than incremental search
that have been waiting for resolution from Microsoft for much longer,
i. e. bug fixes.

   2. sentence autocapitalization
 
 
 
  Hmm. Most of us hate that.

Amen to that.

 Let me try to motivate this feature.
 1- It's trivial to implement it, and then make it optional.
 2- The only way to check whether you have missed a capital is by loading all
 your lyx files on a text editor that supports regex and painfully check
 results of \.\s+[a-z] one by one. Not efficient.
 3- I hate to do keyboard combos. they are bad for rsi and slower overall.
 Autocapitalization would save thousands of those a month.

What's wrong with pressing the Shift key as you type? That way you
have complete control of where capitalisation occurs. Those word
processors where it is enable by default make a piss poor attempt at.
And your regex hits things that are *not* sentence starts, e. g. this
example, which includes abbreviations e. g. like e. g.

Putting in autocapitisation simply shifts the responsibility from the
typist to the copy-editor. Better to do it right from the start than
to rely on some programmatic scheme that will not deal real
situations.


   5. bold, color background on outline. A way for the eyes to fixate
  landmarks
  in long outlines.
 
 
 
  I'm not sure what you mean here.
 
  say section is bold, subsection is not. Or colored backgrounds (level1 is
 darker, level 6 is lighter... etc).
 I'd love to assign colors to sections to be able to track them visually.

As someone with Meares-Irlan syndrome I see horrid cognitive effects
from such a feature.

   7. the rest of the world operates on rich text/html. LyX doesn't (clipboard
  integration is poor, copy-pasting from/to web loses formatting)

Actually most of the world operates on .doc format that doesn't make it right.

  I'm not sure which rest of the world you have in mind, but I agree that
  LyX's external clipboard handling could be improved. We generally use
  plaintext for this, because no-one has cared enough to change it since it
  was implemented eons ago.
 
 
 say copy-paste from browsers. keeping basic formatting (headings, bold)
 would be good., but I bet this is non-trivial. Running some html parser on
 clipboard contents, then convert html to lyx... then paste.

I don't do that in LyX but I've seen OpenOffice.org make a real hash
of pasting HTMLised text on Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows.

   8. 'pasted from' and url for every paste from the web (onenote uses this
   and it's damn inspired)

Must be the only good featrure of OneNote then.

 
 
 
  Don't understand this either.
 
 
 Imagine you want to keep a snippet you found online. you copy it. when
 pasting it in lyx, it will add a little note with the url it came from, and
 the time it was collected. This is a killer feature for
 notetaking/research.

Um, you do your notetaking/research direct into LyX? Scrivener or
Journlr are a better tools for this task and allow the export of
entries to LaTeX for processing with LyX.

Regards, Trevor.

 Re: deemed!

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Olivier Ripoll]

Jose Quesada wrote:

Hi all,

In no special order, things that I miss in lyx...


Hi,

There are 2 points in your list for which our tastes diverge (and 
according to the thread, I'm not the only one).



2. sentence autocapitalization


I hate that. One of the first things I switch off in MS word. I have 
nothing against seeing it appear in LyX, but I would definitely hate not 
to be able to switch it off.



7. the rest of the world operates on rich text/html. LyX doesn't (clipboard
integration is poor, copy-pasting from/to web loses formatting)


That is the most annoying feature I've seen appearing in 10 years. 
When using software offering this feature, I now must paste to a text 
editor, then copy it from here and finally paste to the target document 
(I'm not talking about LyX here).

Also, this would not be WYSIWYM, the main strength of LyX.

Best regards,

Olivier

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/22/2010 05:30 AM, Trevor Jenkins wrote:

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Jose Quesadaques...@gmail.com  wrote:
   


Let me try to motivate this feature.
1- It's trivial to implement it, and then make it optional.
2- The only way to check whether you have missed a capital is by loading all
your lyx files on a text editor that supports regex and painfully check
results of \.\s+[a-z] one by one. Not efficient.
3- I hate to do keyboard combos. they are bad for rsi and slower overall.
Autocapitalization would save thousands of those a month.
 

What's wrong with pressing the Shift key as you type? That way you
have complete control of where capitalisation occurs. Those word
processors where it is enable by default make a piss poor attempt at.
And your regex hits things that are *not* sentence starts, e. g. this
example, which includes abbreviations e. g. like e. g.

   
Which is one of the major problems with autocaps. Yes, you can have some 
list of exceptions, but then you need a list of exceptions to the 
exceptions.



say copy-paste from browsers. keeping basic formatting (headings, bold)
would be good., but I bet this is non-trivial. Running some html parser on
clipboard contents, then convert html to lyx... then paste.
 

I don't do that in LyX but I've seen OpenOffice.org make a real hash
of pasting HTMLised text on Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows.

   
As he said, this is highly non-trivial. And the better the website, the 
harder it is, since a good website will use semantic markup that is 
styled by CSS. Then what do you do?


rh

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/21/2010 10:14 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Am 21.03.2010 22:12, schrieb Jose Quesada:


  2. sentence autocapitalization



Hmm. Most of us hate that.

Let me try to motivate this feature.
1- It's trivial to implement it, and then make it optional.


Indeed, we should let the users decide. Please open an enhancement 
report in our bug tracking system.


It is important to remember that this sort of feature is not cost-free, 
even if it can be turned off. It complicates the code and therefore 
makes maintenance more difficult.


rh

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/22/2010 06:50 AM, Olivier Ripoll wrote:

Jose Quesada wrote:

7. the rest of the world operates on rich text/html. LyX doesn't 
(clipboard

integration is poor, copy-pasting from/to web loses formatting)


That is the most annoying feature I've seen appearing in 10 years. 
When using software offering this feature, I now must paste to a 
text editor, then copy it from here and finally paste to the target 
document (I'm not talking about LyX here).


I know this problem! I see it all the time when I try to paste from 
Firefox into Thunderbird, e.g.


rh

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Jose Quesada]

Hi Uwe, all,

  say section is bold, subsection is not. Or colored backgrounds (level1 is

 darker, level 6 is lighter... etc).
 I'd love to assign colors to sections to be able to track them visually.


 For this purpose we have layout files. Dependent on the document class,
you can there define how a  section should within LyX. The Additional
features manual explains the layout files.

This not a matter of altering the layout. I want the sidebar to change
color/font, not the text in the edit area. I don't think layouts control the
sidebar, right?


 The red arrow button jumps t the last cursor position.
 LyX supports 100 undo steps (accessible via shortcut Ctrl+z or the green,
 rounded, left-pointing arrow).


I want the cursor to jump to last edits (say at least 10) without having to
undo things.
That is, the functionality of the red arrow, but for all previous edits, not
only the last one. This works in mostly any text editor worth its salt.


   8. 'pasted from' and url for every paste from the web (onenote uses this

 and it's damn inspired)


  Imagine you want to keep a snippet you found online. you copy it. when
 pasting it in lyx, it will add a little note with the url it came from,
 and
 the time it was collected. This is a killer feature for
 notetaking/research.


 So what do you miss exactly? LyX has support for hyperlinks (to URLs,
 files, mail addresses).


Yes, as described above, I wanted something that would add the url to the
clipboard contents. That ff plugin does it. I wish it existed for chromium,
though, and that urls pasted became clickable...


 regards Uwe

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Pavel Sanda]

Maria Gouskova wrote:
 If this is implemented, I hope it is set to *off* by default--it's

for sure
pavel

adding a style to the right latex folder?

[Jose Quesada]

Hi,

Ubuntu karmic, lyx 1.6.4,...

I need to use the Springer lncs style.

I downloaded this:
ftp://ftp.springer.de/pub/tex/latex/llncs/latex2e/llncs2e.zip

and uncompressed here:

/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/llncs2e

I see that lyx comes with a layout for but it still shows as unavailable.
What am I doing wrong?

Thanks

Best,
-Jose

Jose Quesada, PhD.
Max Planck Institute,
Center for Adaptive Behavior and Cognition,
Berlin
http://www.josequesada.name/
http://twitter.com/Quesada

Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Walter van Holst]

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: things that I miss in lyx
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:51:24 +0100
From: Walter van Holst walter.van.ho...@xs4all.nl
To: Jose Quesada ques...@gmail.com

On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 02:23:34 +0100, Jose Quesada ques...@gmail.com
wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 In no special order, things that I miss in lyx...
 
 1. incremental search
 
 2. sentence autocapitalization

As others have written, NO! IN THE NAME OF EVERYTHING THAT IS HOLY, DON'T!

 3. grammar check (not crucial)

Grammar checks are non-trivial, it would be nice to have this in a modular
way so we can share this with other open source efforts in this field.


 4. search highlight occurences

Even nicer, the search implemented by Apple's Preview document viewer
provides a side bar with frequency bars of the search term's occurence on
each page.

 7. the rest of the world operates on rich text/html. LyX doesn't
(clipboard
 integration is poor, copy-pasting from/to web loses formatting)

Actuall, I prefer the current default of losing formatting. The whole
point of LyX is that you focus on structure and content and have LaTeX
take
care of formatting. The rest of the world operates on a fundamentally
braindead paradigm and if I wanted to use that paradigm I'd be a happy OOo
camper. Which I am not.

 8. 'pasted from' and url for every paste from the web (onenote uses this
 and
 it's damn inspired)

That sounds good. Some Zotero-like stuff might be helpful too.

Regards,

 Walter

Re: adding a style to the right latex folder?

[Jose Quesada]

nm, I missed the reconfigure step.
for reference, it's clearly explained here:
http://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/MacInstall

http://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/MacInstallsorry about the noise to the list..
Best,
-Jose

Jose Quesada, PhD.
Max Planck Institute,
Center for Adaptive Behavior and Cognition,
Berlin
http://www.josequesada.name/
http://twitter.com/Quesada


On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Jose Quesada ques...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Ubuntu karmic, lyx 1.6.4,...

 I need to use the Springer lncs style.

 I downloaded this:
 ftp://ftp.springer.de/pub/tex/latex/llncs/latex2e/llncs2e.zip

 and uncompressed here:

 /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/llncs2e

 I see that lyx comes with a layout for but it still shows as unavailable.
 What am I doing wrong?

 Thanks

 Best,
 -Jose

 Jose Quesada, PhD.
 Max Planck Institute,
 Center for Adaptive Behavior and Cognition,
 Berlin
 http://www.josequesada.name/
 http://twitter.com/Quesada

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Abdelrazak Younes]

On 03/22/2010 01:20 PM, Jose Quesada wrote:

I want the cursor to jump to last edits (say at least 10) without having to
undo things.
That is, the functionality of the red arrow, but for all previous edits, not
only the last one. This works in mostly any text editor worth its salt.


I agree it would be useful to go back 2 or 3 step in edition but 10??!! 
I don't see how this could help you. I guess it should not be too hard 
to implement but I don't know if you'll find a developer for it... maybe 
you?



   8. 'pasted from' and url for every paste from the web (onenote uses this



and it's damn inspired)



  Imagine you want to keep a snippet you found online. you copy it. when

pasting it in lyx, it will add a little note with the url it came from,
and
the time it was collected. This is a killer feature for
notetaking/research.



So what do you miss exactly? LyX has support for hyperlinks (to URLs,
files, mail addresses).



Yes, as described above, I wanted something that would add the url to the
clipboard contents. That ff plugin does it. I wish it existed for chromium,
though, and that urls pasted became clickable...


I guess this is firefox that puts the URL _in_ the clipboard contents 
because the Clibpoard doesn't contain anything like that AFAIK. Is this 
html copying with the URL standardized? If so, that would be interesting 
to implement within LyX clipboard pasting mechanism.



Abdel.

PS: I guess that you are using LyX as a note taking program (I also do 
this) so I can understand some of your suggestions.

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Abdelrazak Younes]

On 03/22/2010 12:35 PM, rgheck wrote:

On 03/22/2010 06:50 AM, Olivier Ripoll wrote:

Jose Quesada wrote:


7. the rest of the world operates on rich text/html. LyX doesn't
(clipboard
integration is poor, copy-pasting from/to web loses formatting)


That is the most annoying feature I've seen appearing in 10 years.
When using software offering this feature, I now must paste to a
text editor, then copy it from here and finally paste to the target
document (I'm not talking about LyX here).


I know this problem! I see it all the time when I try to paste from
Firefox into Thunderbird, e.g.


Me too! Even from Thunderbird to Thunderbird :-)

Hint: use Ctrl-Shift-V

Abdel.

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Uwe Stöhr]

Jose Quesada schrieb:

This not a matter of altering the layout. I want the sidebar to change 
color/font, not the text in the edit area.


OK, this is a different feature. You can add a further enhancement 
request but I fear that no developer will implement this soon.



I don't think layouts control the sidebar, right?


Yes.


The red arrow button jumps t the last cursor position.
LyX supports 100 undo steps (accessible via shortcut Ctrl+z or the
green, rounded, left-pointing arrow).

I want the cursor to jump to last edits (say at least 10) without having 
to undo things.


OK, tis is not yet possible.


Imagine you want to keep a snippet you found online. you copy
it. when
pasting it in lyx, it will add a little note with the url it
came from, and
the time it was collected. This is a killer feature for
notetaking/research.

So what do you miss exactly? LyX has support for hyperlinks (to
URLs, files, mail addresses).

Yes, as described above, I wanted something that would add the url to 
the clipboard contents. That ff plugin does it. I wish it existed for 
chromium, though, and that urls pasted became clickable... 


I still don't understand exactly what you mean. I don't know an ff 
plugin nor chromium.


If you copy text that contains an URL like this sentence:

Hello, http://www.lyx.org is cool.

and paste it into LyX, you only have to highlight the URL in LyX and 
press the hyperlink toolbar button. This creates a clickable hyperlink.
The hyperlink cannot be opened from within LyX but from the preview. We 
had a discussion about this and if I remember correctly, we decided to 
do this because of security reasons. While thinking about this, it 
doesn't make much sense because you already can open external material 
like images from within LyX.
Can you therefore ask on the lyx-devel mailing list if LyX could allow 
to open hyperlinks also from within LyX. Implementing this should be 
easy but i want to hear some other opinions first.


thanks and regards
Uwe

Re: adding a style to the right latex folder?

[Uwe Stöhr]

Jose Quesada schrieb:


I downloaded this:
ftp://ftp.springer.de/pub/tex/latex/llncs/latex2e/llncs2e.zip

and uncompressed here:

/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/llncs2e


Have you afterwards updated your LaTeX paths? (via the command texhash 
or the TeXLive package manager).


If so, restart LyX and reconfigure it (menu Tools-Reconfigure).

regards Uwe

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Graham Smith]

Jose


Yes, as described above, I wanted something that would add the url to the
clipboard contents. That ff plugin does it. I wish it existed for chromium,
though, and that urls pasted became clickable...


Have you googled for a chromium extension?  A quick google here 
suggested a several possibilities.


Not the clickable URLS of course !

Graham

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Jose Quesada]

Graham,

I couldn't find anything. Can you post your findings here?

Best,
-Jose

Jose Quesada, PhD.
Max Planck Institute,
Center for Adaptive Behavior and Cognition,
Berlin
http://www.josequesada.name/
http://twitter.com/Quesada


On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Graham Smith graham.sm...@myotis.co.ukwrote:

 Jose


  Yes, as described above, I wanted something that would add the url to the
 clipboard contents. That ff plugin does it. I wish it existed for
 chromium,
 though, and that urls pasted became clickable...


 Have you googled for a chromium extension?  A quick google here suggested a
 several possibilities.

 Not the clickable URLS of course !

 Graham

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Graham Smith]

Jose



I couldn't find anything. Can you post your findings here?


Mmmm, not really as I'm not especially interested and didn't keep any 
records, but the add ons for Chrome searched from within Chrome came up 
with something called multiclip, plus a couple of others


And Clipboard manager and chromium seemed to throw up several options.

Graham

PDF error converting to loadable format

[Richard Brown]

I do  Insert External Files  PDF and select my pdf. I add the pages
options for all of the pages (there are 2). Lyx burbles a little, and then
spits the error message at me:
 error converting to loadable format. The file was prepared by a friend on
Windows from a  Sibelius music notation file.

If I examine the pdf file properties  I see the following:
Format PDF-1.4
Producer GPL Ghostscript 8.70
Creator PDFCreator Version 0.9.9

What might be going wrong?


I'm using Komascript Book under lyx 1.6.4 on ubuntu 9.04.

Richard

Re: PDF error converting to loadable format

[Stephen Buonopane]

On Mar 22, 2010, at 11:52 AM, Richard Brown wrote:


I do  Insert External Files  PDF and select my pdf. I add the pages
options for all of the pages (there are 2). Lyx burbles a little,  
and then

spits the error message at me:
error converting to loadable format. The file was prepared by a  
friend on

Windows from a  Sibelius music notation file.

If I examine the pdf file properties  I see the following:
Format PDF-1.4
Producer GPL Ghostscript 8.70
Creator PDFCreator Version 0.9.9


Export to PDF should work fine, it is just the preview.
If you have ghostscript version 8.70, then the issue is a bug in gs.
Here is a workaround from a previous post

This seems to be a result of the bug reported here
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/imagemagick/+bug/487637

Copy the script convertDefault.py from /Applications/LyX.app/Contents/ 
Resources/scripts


Comment out the lines
if sys.argv[1][:4] == 'pdf:' and (version = 0x060206 or gm):
opts = '-define pdf:use-cropbox=true ' + opts

On a Mac, the script goes in
/Users/username/Library/Application\ Support/LyX-1.6/scripts 

Document style for multiple levels of sub-headings?

[Tim Wescott]

I'm a Lyx newbie, and it's been ages since I've used LaTeX.

I want to start learning by translating a document from OpenOffice.

But the document I want to start with uses four levels of sub-headings.  
In fact, my standard whip out a document technique usually runs to 
this number of sub-headings.  It may not be pretty, but it's fast and 
the document organization is obvious.


Is there a report style of document out there that supports multiple 
sub-headings, and may otherwise be a suitable start for what I'm trying 
to do?


Thanks.

--
Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
Voice: 503-631-7815
Cell:  503-349-8432
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Re: Odd Notation Typesetting

[Rich Shepard]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010, TheOldFellow wrote:


I want to typeset some psalms with an odd 'pointing'.  Pointing is a
system of marks placed above the words to indicate how the chanter changes
pitch.  If you imagine the TeX /nearrow glyph and change the arrow head to
a degree symbol you'll get the idea.  There are other marks too.  I can't
change the notation, it's traditional.


  Have you looked at The Comprehensive LaTeX Symbol List? I can send the pdf
to you off the list if you cannot find it.

Rich

Re: PDF error converting to loadable format

[Kamran SHAFQAT]

On 22/03/2010 15:52, Richard Brown wrote:

  External Files  PDF and select my pdf. I add the pages
options for all of the pages (there are 2). Lyx burbles a little, and then
spits the error message at me:
  error converting to loadable format. The file was prepared by a friend on
Windows from a  Sibelius music notation file.

If I examine the pdf file properties  I see the following:
Format PDF-1.4
Producer GPL Ghostscript 8.70
Creator PDFCreator Version 0.9.9

What might be going wrong?


I'm using Komascript Book under lyx 1.6.4 on ubuntu 9.04.
   
Try putting the pdf file in the temp. folder of your lyx file. Long time 
ago I found from the mailing list that lyx doesn't copy the pdf file 
into the temp. directory automatically therefore you get an error. I 
don't know if there was some other fix to this but I just copy the pdf  
file that I want to attach manually in the temp. folder and this works.


Regards,

Kamran

Re: PDF error converting to loadable format

[Richard Brown]

Thanks for this. By following your instructions I managed to a) see the pdf
in lyx on screen and b) generate a DVI file. But the  place where the pdf
should be is empty. If however I c) try to generate a pdf from pdflatex, lyx
just goes into an endless loop, from which I can only exit by forcing a
program quit.

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Stephen Buonopane 
stephen.buonop...@bucknell.edu wrote:



 This seems to be a result of the bug reported here
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/imagemagick/+bug/487637

 Copy the script convertDefault.py from
 /Applications/LyX.app/Contents/Resources/scripts

 Comment out the lines
 if sys.argv[1][:4] == 'pdf:' and (version = 0x060206 or gm):
 opts = '-define pdf:use-cropbox=true ' + opts

 On a Mac, the script goes in
 /Users/username/Library/Application\ Support/LyX-1.6/scripts

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Guenter Milde]

On 2010-03-22, Walter van Holst wrote:
 On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 02:23:34 +0100, Jose Quesada ques...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 7. the rest of the world operates on rich text/html. LyX doesn't
(clipboard integration is poor, copy-pasting from/to web loses
formatting)

 Actuall, I prefer the current default of losing formatting. The whole
 point of LyX is that you focus on structure and content and have LaTeX
 take
 care of formatting. The rest of the world operates on a fundamentally
 braindead paradigm and if I wanted to use that paradigm I'd be a happy OOo
 camper. Which I am not.

Sorry, but HTML has (or can be used for) a semantic markup in a quite
comparable way. So, keeping sections, links, emphasized text, quotes,
... *as an option* would be an enhancement.

Günter

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Steve Litt]

On Monday 22 March 2010 08:51:55 Walter van Holst wrote:
  Original Message 
 Subject: Re: things that I miss in lyx
 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:51:24 +0100
 From: Walter van Holst walter.van.ho...@xs4all.nl
 To: Jose Quesada ques...@gmail.com
 
 On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 02:23:34 +0100, Jose Quesada ques...@gmail.com
 
 wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  In no special order, things that I miss in lyx...
 
  1. incremental search
 
  2. sentence autocapitalization
 
 As others have written, NO! IN THE NAME OF EVERYTHING THAT IS HOLY, DON'T!

++
 
  3. grammar check (not crucial)
[clip] 
  4. search highlight occurences
[clip]
  7. the rest of the world operates on rich text/html. LyX doesn't
 
 (clipboard
 
  integration is poor, copy-pasting from/to web loses formatting)
 
 Actuall, I prefer the current default of losing formatting. The whole
 point of LyX is that you focus on structure and content and have LaTeX
 take
 care of formatting. The rest of the world operates on a fundamentally
 braindead paradigm and if I wanted to use that paradigm I'd be a happy OOo
 camper. Which I am not.
+=65535

What could be grosser than having the source's fingerpainting auto-inserted in 
your styles-based LyX doc?

I'd like to take a second to back up a couple levels of abstraction, from 
features to priorities. My priorities in LyX are:

* Ability to write long documents fast and easily
* Styles based authoring

Believe it or not, aesthetic typesetting isn't one of my priorities. My books 
written in WordPerfect 5.1 and MS Word were easily good enough when it came to 
typesetting. After all, my books are a mail order product.

If I wanted to write short docs I'd use Abiword or OpenOffice, kompozer or 
Vim. If I didn't care about styles based authoring I'd use OpenOffice.

I think priorities determine the need for features. Given my priorities, 
character styles was far and away the best feature addition in the last 10 
years. Another great feature is LyX's ability to almost instantly manipulate 
100,000 word documents -- good algorithms implemented right. Outline view was 
a good addition and will be even better when it can be used to add nodes. 
Outline view is a big timesaver. I imagine Layout Modules would be a big 
timesaver but haven't learned to use them yet.

One of the biggest consumers of time when I use LyX is adding and tweaking 
styles, both paragraph (environments) and character. Getting a LyX style to do 
what you want is about 2 orders of magnitude more time consuming than the same 
thing in WP 5.1 or MS Word. That would probably go up to an order of magnitude 
of 3 for a LyX newbie. This can't be helped -- LaTeX is more complex and less 
obvious than WP5.1 or MSWord layout, but it can be addressed through a 
combination of:

1) Documentation
2) Easy to browse and search repository of styles to which we all contribute

Sentence autocapitalization might be somewhat of a time saver if the subject 
matter always has a capital following a period and whitespace. But for code-
rich docs, it would slow you down immensely. As far as special kinds of 
searches, LyX's algorithm design and implementation is so good that you can 
brute force search almost instantly, so what's the need?

This paragraph is my opinion -- your mileage may vary. In my opinion LyX is a 
tool to be used in a very narrow set of circumstances -- long document writing 
where consistency is a priority (hence styles), and good typesetting is a 
priority, and table of contents and indices just work. I'd never use it for a 
poster -- Inkscape does posters better. I'd never use it to create a web page 
-- Kompozer is much better at that (exception: When a whole web subsite must 
have consistency and is the equivalent of a document). I wouldn't use it for a 
five page document -- OpenOffice and AbiWord are much easier for that, whether 
you're doing fingerpainting or limited styles-based. To me, adding features 
like autocap and especially rich/XML paste would be trying to make LyX into a 
tool it's not -- like putting a file on the side of a hammer.

I think the decision of what features to add is all about what one does with 
LyX, and one's priorities in using LyX.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Julio Rojas]

The only feature I miss is a layout editor. I don't know how easy
would it be to program one, but that would be one good addition. The
second one I miss, mostly because I'm not a native English speaker, is
online spell checking, but that is coming in 2.0.

Again, I have to give my most sincere thanks to all developers. Lyx is
a wonderful tool even if my WinEdt addict friends at the lab keep
laughing at me for using it. :D
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
 On Monday 22 March 2010 08:51:55 Walter van Holst wrote:
  Original Message 
 Subject: Re: things that I miss in lyx
 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:51:24 +0100
 From: Walter van Holst walter.van.ho...@xs4all.nl
 To: Jose Quesada ques...@gmail.com

 On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 02:23:34 +0100, Jose Quesada ques...@gmail.com

 wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  In no special order, things that I miss in lyx...
 
  1. incremental search
 
  2. sentence autocapitalization

 As others have written, NO! IN THE NAME OF EVERYTHING THAT IS HOLY, DON'T!

 ++

  3. grammar check (not crucial)
 [clip]
  4. search highlight occurences
 [clip]
  7. the rest of the world operates on rich text/html. LyX doesn't

 (clipboard

  integration is poor, copy-pasting from/to web loses formatting)

 Actuall, I prefer the current default of losing formatting. The whole
 point of LyX is that you focus on structure and content and have LaTeX
 take
 care of formatting. The rest of the world operates on a fundamentally
 braindead paradigm and if I wanted to use that paradigm I'd be a happy OOo
 camper. Which I am not.
 +=65535

 What could be grosser than having the source's fingerpainting auto-inserted in
 your styles-based LyX doc?

 I'd like to take a second to back up a couple levels of abstraction, from
 features to priorities. My priorities in LyX are:

 * Ability to write long documents fast and easily
 * Styles based authoring

 Believe it or not, aesthetic typesetting isn't one of my priorities. My books
 written in WordPerfect 5.1 and MS Word were easily good enough when it came to
 typesetting. After all, my books are a mail order product.

 If I wanted to write short docs I'd use Abiword or OpenOffice, kompozer or
 Vim. If I didn't care about styles based authoring I'd use OpenOffice.

 I think priorities determine the need for features. Given my priorities,
 character styles was far and away the best feature addition in the last 10
 years. Another great feature is LyX's ability to almost instantly manipulate
 100,000 word documents -- good algorithms implemented right. Outline view was
 a good addition and will be even better when it can be used to add nodes.
 Outline view is a big timesaver. I imagine Layout Modules would be a big
 timesaver but haven't learned to use them yet.

 One of the biggest consumers of time when I use LyX is adding and tweaking
 styles, both paragraph (environments) and character. Getting a LyX style to do
 what you want is about 2 orders of magnitude more time consuming than the same
 thing in WP 5.1 or MS Word. That would probably go up to an order of magnitude
 of 3 for a LyX newbie. This can't be helped -- LaTeX is more complex and less
 obvious than WP5.1 or MSWord layout, but it can be addressed through a
 combination of:

 1) Documentation
 2) Easy to browse and search repository of styles to which we all contribute

 Sentence autocapitalization might be somewhat of a time saver if the subject
 matter always has a capital following a period and whitespace. But for code-
 rich docs, it would slow you down immensely. As far as special kinds of
 searches, LyX's algorithm design and implementation is so good that you can
 brute force search almost instantly, so what's the need?

 This paragraph is my opinion -- your mileage may vary. In my opinion LyX is a
 tool to be used in a very narrow set of circumstances -- long document writing
 where consistency is a priority (hence styles), and good typesetting is a
 priority, and table of contents and indices just work. I'd never use it for a
 poster -- Inkscape does posters better. I'd never use it to create a web page
 -- Kompozer is much better at that (exception: When a whole web subsite must
 have consistency and is the equivalent of a document). I wouldn't use it for a
 five page document -- OpenOffice and AbiWord are much easier for that, whether
 you're doing fingerpainting or limited styles-based. To me, adding features
 like autocap and especially rich/XML paste would be trying to make LyX into a
 tool it's not -- like putting a file on the side of a hammer.

 I think the decision of what features to add is all about what one does with
 LyX, and one's priorities in using LyX.

 SteveT

 Steve Litt
 Recession Relief Package
 http://www.recession-relief.US
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/22/2010 05:43 PM, Julio Rojas wrote:

The only feature I miss is a layout editor. I don't know how easy
would it be to program one, but that would be one good addition.

   
This has been discussed often, and I don't know how hard it would be, 
either. I actually suspect that getting something basic working wouldn't 
take much work at all. By basic, I mean: Something that would look like 
a database editor, with lots of combo boxes, text boxes, and the like, 
where you could choose things for the various legal tags. It would load 
a layout file for you, and then you could choose stuff to modify. When 
you were done, it would write the file out. The reading code is of 
course there. The writing code is not. Most of the work would go into 
defining the options, which ones are allowed in which cases, etc. I'm 
not even sure what sort of data structure one would want to use for that.


As a bonus, though this would be a *bit* harder, LyX could show you what 
your new style would look like. Even this wouldn't be too hard, though, 
because of embeddable work areas, such as will be used in the advanced 
search and replace feature. These are little windows that work exactly 
like document windows, except that they don't represent the contents of 
documents. The display one would presumably be marked read-only and show 
some standard example text.


rh

Wizard, please

[Piero]

Ok, just 24 hours before printing my 350+ diss., I received the ultimate error 
message:
TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [input stack size=5000]
along with If you really absolutely need more capacity,
you can ask a wizard to enlarge me.

You can imagine how I feel.
Last thing I did, I put 2 floats in a single float as subfloat. Didn't add 
anything else.
Please, help

Piero

[SOLVED] Wizard, please

[Piero]

 along with If you really absolutely need more capacity,
 you can ask a wizard to enlarge me.

...maybe it would be wise not to try sub-sub-floats...

Sorry, wizard, nevermind.

Piero

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Hellmut Weber]

Am 22.03.2010 18:36, schrieb Steve Litt:

On Monday 22 March 2010 08:51:55 Walter van Holst wrote:

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: things that I miss in lyx
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:51:24 +0100
From: Walter van Holstwalter.van.ho...@xs4all.nl
To: Jose Quesadaques...@gmail.com

On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 02:23:34 +0100, Jose Quesadaques...@gmail.com

wrote:

Hi all,

In no special order, things that I miss in lyx...

1. incremental search

2. sentence autocapitalization


As others have written, NO! IN THE NAME OF EVERYTHING THAT IS HOLY, DON'T!


++



3. grammar check (not crucial)

[clip]

4. search highlight occurences

[clip]

7. the rest of the world operates on rich text/html. LyX doesn't


(clipboard


integration is poor, copy-pasting from/to web loses formatting)


Actuall, I prefer the current default of losing formatting. The whole
point of LyX is that you focus on structure and content and have LaTeX
take
care of formatting. The rest of the world operates on a fundamentally
braindead paradigm and if I wanted to use that paradigm I'd be a happy OOo
camper. Which I am not.

+=65535

What could be grosser than having the source's fingerpainting auto-inserted in
your styles-based LyX doc?

I'd like to take a second to back up a couple levels of abstraction, from
features to priorities. My priorities in LyX are:

* Ability to write long documents fast and easily
* Styles based authoring

Believe it or not, aesthetic typesetting isn't one of my priorities. My books
written in WordPerfect 5.1 and MS Word were easily good enough when it came to
typesetting. After all, my books are a mail order product.

If I wanted to write short docs I'd use Abiword or OpenOffice, kompozer or
Vim. If I didn't care about styles based authoring I'd use OpenOffice.

I think priorities determine the need for features. Given my priorities,
character styles was far and away the best feature addition in the last 10
years. Another great feature is LyX's ability to almost instantly manipulate
100,000 word documents -- good algorithms implemented right. Outline view was
a good addition and will be even better when it can be used to add nodes.
Outline view is a big timesaver. I imagine Layout Modules would be a big
timesaver but haven't learned to use them yet.

One of the biggest consumers of time when I use LyX is adding and tweaking
styles, both paragraph (environments) and character. Getting a LyX style to do
what you want is about 2 orders of magnitude more time consuming than the same
thing in WP 5.1 or MS Word. That would probably go up to an order of magnitude
of 3 for a LyX newbie. This can't be helped -- LaTeX is more complex and less
obvious than WP5.1 or MSWord layout, but it can be addressed through a
combination of:

1) Documentation
2) Easy to browse and search repository of styles to which we all contribute

Sentence autocapitalization might be somewhat of a time saver if the subject
matter always has a capital following a period and whitespace. But for code-
rich docs, it would slow you down immensely. As far as special kinds of
searches, LyX's algorithm design and implementation is so good that you can
brute force search almost instantly, so what's the need?

This paragraph is my opinion -- your mileage may vary. In my opinion LyX is a
tool to be used in a very narrow set of circumstances -- long document writing
where consistency is a priority (hence styles), and good typesetting is a
priority, and table of contents and indices just work. I'd never use it for a
poster -- Inkscape does posters better. I'd never use it to create a web page
-- Kompozer is much better at that (exception: When a whole web subsite must
have consistency and is the equivalent of a document). I wouldn't use it for a
five page document -- OpenOffice and AbiWord are much easier for that, whether
you're doing fingerpainting or limited styles-based. To me, adding features
like autocap and especially rich/XML paste would be trying to make LyX into a
tool it's not -- like putting a file on the side of a hammer.
I would like to present my experiences which are somewhat different from 
Steve's:


I'm using LyX for *all* sorts of documents, preferably rather short ones 
5 - 10 pages. For me the consistency of a large set of shorter documents 
is the crucial point (may be around 150 different papres which have 
accumulated over the years)


So I have spent some time in defining my special layouts for e.g. 
official documents for my business as management consultant, different 
letter templates for my bussiness, private letter, private letters of my 
wife and so on.


I have to admit that I have some knowledge of LaTeX from past activities.

And once I have a template for some type of document I don't have to 
think about layout any more.


I have been obliged to use word for several years and had two 
opportunities to migrate a set of documents with a specific company 
layout to a new word version (not to speak about the joy to buy  

LyxBlogger Goes XML-RPC

[Jack Desert]

LyxBlogger 0.31 is released. It's a whole new critter under the hood.
She still runs on Python, but Xclip is gone. Instead, she's running
proud and strong on the wordpresslib.py library, which allows her to
connect directly to the XML-RPC backbone of WordPress. 

New Features in LyxBlogger 0.31:

• XML-RPC connectivity to WordPress Blogs
• Supports Image Upload
• Supports LyX 2.0 (internal) LyXHTML format
• Supports eLyXer HTML format
• Retrieves categories from server to allow user to select from a list. 
• Allows user prompts for credentials or saving of credentials in file
• Spawns its own xterm window for user input and to display messages 
• Extracts title from document and uses it as the posting title. 
• Test credentials provided for zippermania.wordpress.com so new users
can easily try out LyxBlogger.

I've created a Google code repository with archives of present and past
versions of LyxBlogger. See
http://code.google.com/p/lyxblogger

I welcome any LyX users to try LyxBlogger for themselves. It will be
exciting to see what interesting topics appear at the testing site,
http://zippermania.wordpress.com, in the coming months.

-Jack

-- 
~~~
Jack Desert --Writer, Entrepeneur
Author and Spokesman: www.LetsEATalready.com
Software Developer:   http://GrooveTask.org
Email: jwo...@gmail.com
~~~

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Mar 22, Julio Rojas did say:

 The only feature I miss is a layout editor. I don't know how easy
 would it be to program one, but that would be one good addition.

Don't know much about that... I just use LyX, I don't really understand it
very well, so I'm not grasping the advantages of this feature ?

 The second one I miss, mostly because I'm not a native English speaker,
 is online spell checking, but that is coming in 2.0.

Oh Gawd no! That is if I understand you to mean that it will check my
spelling as I type, and interrupt my creative flow to inform me that it
thinks I misspelled something. {or even worse silently replacing
misspelled or unknown words with what it thinks is the best matching
replacement word} No, I much prefer it wait for me to tell it I'm ready
for such a distraction. {by pressing F7} So I sincerely hope and pray
that if that's what you mean by online spellchecking that they make it
easy to totally disable it...

What I'd find useful might be that it kept track of which (chapters,
parts, sections, etc... I'd modified during a sessioni, and if the last
modification wasn't a spellcheck operation, then inform me with a dialog
box on output, manual file save, file close, or program quit, that there
are modified (sections etc...) that have not been spell checked, And would I
like to spell check {just those modified sections, chapters etc...) first.
I note that any of the above (with the possible exception of the manual
save) would tend to indicate that the creative flow of content has
already been interrupted when I decided I wanted to see what the finished
product looked like or chose to close the file or quit LyX...
This would of course imply that there would be a spellcheck option to
spell check all modified sections, chapters etc... on command. Probably
this would be a difficult thing to implement. So I sure don't expect to
see it in LyX or even something like OO.o, any time soon. But, it'd be
much more welcome than shudder checking my spelling as I type...
 
 Again, I have to give my most sincere thanks to all developers. Lyx is
 a wonderful tool...

On that I think we agree! ;-)

 ...even if my WinEdt addict friends at the lab keep laughing at me for
 using it. :D

In the long run, I think the joke's on them...

-- 
|   ---   ___
|   0   - Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^  J(tWdy)P
|~\___/~  jtw...@ttlc.net

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Steve Litt]

On Monday 22 March 2010 17:43:10 Julio Rojas wrote:
 The only feature I miss is a layout editor. I don't know how easy
 would it be to program one, but that would be one good addition.

It's hard Julio. It's hard enough that I couldn't even *specify* a layout 
editor, though I tried. If I'd been able to specify one, I'd have either 
pestered the LyX crew to write it, or written it myself in Perl/Tk (I'm not 
much of a Qt type of guy).

I'm thinking the best way to address the difficulty of new environments and 
character styles might be to start a public collection of them. A person could 
start with something close to what he wants and tweak it til it's right. Such 
a collection could come with a supporting document that organizes various 
environments and character styles in a hierarchy so that what you need is 
easily findable.

Wordperfect and MSWord have layout editors of sorts, but their tags are so 
much simpler than LaTeX.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

2 questions regarding float placement

[Venable]

Hi LyX-users,

I have 2 questions regarding the placement of floats and the numbers
assigned to them in cross-references.

The first is whether it is possible to have to order in which floats
are referred to in the text determine the order in which they appear
in the final document.

For example, suppose I have 2 tables, A and B, but I don't know
ex-ante which will logically appear first in my final document. I
would like for this to be automatically determined by the one that is
first referred to in the text. Is this possible?

Second, I would like to know how best to maintain consistency in table
and figure numbering between a paper and a corresponding Beamer
presentation.

That is, suppose I have a paper with three tables but in a brief
presentation only want to use the first and third of these. For
example, the second is just a variant on the first that is worth
including in a paper but not needed for a time-limited presentation.
It would be useful for the numbering in the presentation to match the
numbering in the paper, so as not to confuse people in the audience
who have a copy of the paper.

Thanks.

Re: Layout file not usable

[Guenter Milde]

On 2010-03-22, Tim Wescott wrote:

 I'm working hard at being a brand-new user, but I'm still a 
 user-wannabe, because things ain't working!  I'm using Ubuntu 9.10, 
 brand shiny new installation of Lyx.  I try to create a document from a 
 template (any template, but I'll use latex8 as an example)

Really *any*?? 

Just to sort out principal failure: Could you test with a new standard
document (Ctrl-N), type a simple sentence and view the PDF?

 and I get the following:

 The layout file requested by this document, latex8.layout, is not
 usable. This is probably because a LaTeX class or style file required
 by it is not available. See the Customization documentation for more
 information. LyX will not be able to produce output.

This indicates that a latex document-class is missing. 

 I tried reconfigure -- no luck.

 I tried running texhash -- no luck.

 I verified that /usr/share/lyx/layouts is there, and that it has 
 latex8.layout (and all the others that didn't work) in it.

You will need to install more of texlive than just the basics (which are
auto-installed as a LyX dependency).

In your example, you should look for latex8.cls or latex8.sty. If it is
not on your system, try e.g. `apt-file find latex8.cls`` to see which
package you need to install. (Actually, I did not find a package that
ships latex8 for Debian, so this might even be a download from CTAN and
install 'by hand' documentclass, however, you might e.g. find the
seminar class in texlive-latex-recommended.)

Günter

Re: a few chapter*s between TOC and chapter 1 (NOT part of TOC)???

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Feb 23, Helge Hafting did say:

 Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
  The sequence is the TOC followed by a tex code box containing:
  \mainmatter
  \pagenumbering{roman}
  
  Then a few short chapter*(s) That are not part of the numbered chapters.
  And it is not desired for them to be labeled as contents in the output
  (pdf)
  
  Then there is another tex code box containing:
  \pagenumbering{arabic}
  
  And finally  Chapter 1...
  
  How can I stop output from inserting the word contents into the
  the page header of the chapter*{s} without relocating them to
  before the TOC, nor after chapter 1???
 
 This works for document class book:
 
 Immediately after the TOC (before your chapter*), an ERT box with
 \pagestyle{plain}
 This gets rid of the running header you didn't want. You will still
 get contents on TOC pages, if your TOC spans more than one page.
 
 The first normal text in the first chapter should start with an ERT box with:
 \pagestyle{headings}
 in order to reinstate the running headers that you probably want for your
 numbered chapters.
 
 The page styles:
 empty - nothing, not even a page number
 plain - a page number, nothing more
 headings  - page number and running header (with the chapter name,
 usually)
 myheadings- user defined by using more ERT (\markright or \markboth
 whenever you want the running headers to change)
 fancy - Even more user defined. Maybe you want a logo in the
 heading, a colored page number, anything goes but
 more ERT is needed.
 
 Note that the \pagestyle command is only necessary if you want running
 headers in the normal chapters but not elsewhere. If you don't want
 any running headers at all, just turn them off in document settings,
 page style set to plain.  No need for ERT then.
 
 To style a single page differently: \thispagestyle{plain} in an ERT box
 anywhere on that page.

Like I said previously Helge, the insertion of \pagestyle{plain} 
\pagestyle{headings} in the places you described worked for what I wanted
for the current project. But I spent some time trying to figure out how to
use \pagestyle{myheadings} with somewhat less success.

I found that By using \pagestyle{myheadings} instead of \pagestyle{plain}
I could then get SOME control over the headers of my chapter* with
\markboth{header text}{other header text}
One problem was that it wouldn't print on the 1st page of a chapter* But
that was only a minor aggravation. The real problem was that the 
\pagestyle{headings} I'd inserted just before the first normal text of
the first normal chapter, no longer caused it to resume the default
headers that I'd normally get for the chapters. But kept on using the
page header(s) I'd set with \markboth{header text}{other header text}
What would I have to do to get the normal headers to resume after setting
up a chapter* to use \pagestyle{myheadings} ???

And if you could be so kind as to point me at a good {example rich} how-to that
covers doing something similar to a document class book with \pagestyle{fancy}
I'd be grateful. Cause I failed to get that working at all... sigh

Sorry to be such a pest.

-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|  ?   ?   Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^J(tWdy)P
|\___/ jtw...@ttlc.net

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Trevor Jenkins]

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Jose Quesada ques...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 3:28 AM, rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com wrote:

  On 03/20/2010 09:23 PM, Jose Quesada wrote:
 
    1. incremental search
  Do you mean F3?

 no, I mean that as you type in the search box things that match get
 immediately active. No need to press enter, it works together with 'search
 highlight occurences'. the best way to experience this is to open vim, press
 / and start typing your search term. Word 2010 does this too (took them 10
 years :) )

A better example would be emacs (not trying to start an editors war).
And holding up any version of Word as an examplar is probably not
sensible. There are much more important things than incremental search
that have been waiting for resolution from Microsoft for much longer,
i. e. bug fixes.

   2. sentence autocapitalization
 
 
 
  Hmm. Most of us hate that.

Amen to that.

 Let me try to motivate this feature.
 1- It's trivial to implement it, and then make it optional.
 2- The only way to check whether you have missed a capital is by loading all
 your lyx files on a text editor that supports regex and painfully check
 results of \.\s+[a-z] one by one. Not efficient.
 3- I hate to do keyboard combos. they are bad for rsi and slower overall.
 Autocapitalization would save thousands of those a month.

What's wrong with pressing the Shift key as you type? That way you
have complete control of where capitalisation occurs. Those word
processors where it is enable by default make a piss poor attempt at.
And your regex hits things that are *not* sentence starts, e. g. this
example, which includes abbreviations e. g. like e. g.

Putting in autocapitisation simply shifts the responsibility from the
typist to the copy-editor. Better to do it right from the start than
to rely on some programmatic scheme that will not deal real
situations.


   5. bold, color background on outline. A way for the eyes to fixate
  landmarks
  in long outlines.
 
 
 
  I'm not sure what you mean here.
 
  say section is bold, subsection is not. Or colored backgrounds (level1 is
 darker, level 6 is lighter... etc).
 I'd love to assign colors to sections to be able to track them visually.

As someone with Meares-Irlan syndrome I see horrid cognitive effects
from such a feature.

   7. the rest of the world operates on rich text/html. LyX doesn't (clipboard
  integration is poor, copy-pasting from/to web loses formatting)

Actually most of the world operates on .doc format that doesn't make it right.

  I'm not sure which rest of the world you have in mind, but I agree that
  LyX's external clipboard handling could be improved. We generally use
  plaintext for this, because no-one has cared enough to change it since it
  was implemented eons ago.
 
 
 say copy-paste from browsers. keeping basic formatting (headings, bold)
 would be good., but I bet this is non-trivial. Running some html parser on
 clipboard contents, then convert html to lyx... then paste.

I don't do that in LyX but I've seen OpenOffice.org make a real hash
of pasting HTMLised text on Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows.

   8. 'pasted from' and url for every paste from the web (onenote uses this
   and it's damn inspired)

Must be the only good featrure of OneNote then.

 
 
 
  Don't understand this either.
 
 
 Imagine you want to keep a snippet you found online. you copy it. when
 pasting it in lyx, it will add a little note with the url it came from, and
 the time it was collected. This is a killer feature for
 notetaking/research.

Um, you do your notetaking/research direct into LyX? Scrivener or
Journlr are a better tools for this task and allow the export of
entries to LaTeX for processing with LyX.

Regards, Trevor.

 Re: deemed!

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Olivier Ripoll]

Jose Quesada wrote:

Hi all,

In no special order, things that I miss in lyx...


Hi,

There are 2 points in your list for which our tastes diverge (and 
according to the thread, I'm not the only one).



2. sentence autocapitalization


I hate that. One of the first things I switch off in MS word. I have 
nothing against seeing it appear in LyX, but I would definitely hate not 
to be able to switch it off.



7. the rest of the world operates on rich text/html. LyX doesn't (clipboard
integration is poor, copy-pasting from/to web loses formatting)


That is the most annoying feature I've seen appearing in 10 years. 
When using software offering this feature, I now must paste to a text 
editor, then copy it from here and finally paste to the target document 
(I'm not talking about LyX here).

Also, this would not be WYSIWYM, the main strength of LyX.

Best regards,

Olivier

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/22/2010 05:30 AM, Trevor Jenkins wrote:

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Jose Quesadaques...@gmail.com  wrote:
   


Let me try to motivate this feature.
1- It's trivial to implement it, and then make it optional.
2- The only way to check whether you have missed a capital is by loading all
your lyx files on a text editor that supports regex and painfully check
results of \.\s+[a-z] one by one. Not efficient.
3- I hate to do keyboard combos. they are bad for rsi and slower overall.
Autocapitalization would save thousands of those a month.
 

What's wrong with pressing the Shift key as you type? That way you
have complete control of where capitalisation occurs. Those word
processors where it is enable by default make a piss poor attempt at.
And your regex hits things that are *not* sentence starts, e. g. this
example, which includes abbreviations e. g. like e. g.

   
Which is one of the major problems with autocaps. Yes, you can have some 
list of exceptions, but then you need a list of exceptions to the 
exceptions.



say copy-paste from browsers. keeping basic formatting (headings, bold)
would be good., but I bet this is non-trivial. Running some html parser on
clipboard contents, then convert html to lyx... then paste.
 

I don't do that in LyX but I've seen OpenOffice.org make a real hash
of pasting HTMLised text on Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows.

   
As he said, this is highly non-trivial. And the better the website, the 
harder it is, since a good website will use semantic markup that is 
styled by CSS. Then what do you do?


rh

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/21/2010 10:14 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Am 21.03.2010 22:12, schrieb Jose Quesada:


  2. sentence autocapitalization



Hmm. Most of us hate that.

Let me try to motivate this feature.
1- It's trivial to implement it, and then make it optional.


Indeed, we should let the users decide. Please open an enhancement 
report in our bug tracking system.


It is important to remember that this sort of feature is not cost-free, 
even if it can be turned off. It complicates the code and therefore 
makes maintenance more difficult.


rh

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/22/2010 06:50 AM, Olivier Ripoll wrote:

Jose Quesada wrote:

7. the rest of the world operates on rich text/html. LyX doesn't 
(clipboard

integration is poor, copy-pasting from/to web loses formatting)


That is the most annoying feature I've seen appearing in 10 years. 
When using software offering this feature, I now must paste to a 
text editor, then copy it from here and finally paste to the target 
document (I'm not talking about LyX here).


I know this problem! I see it all the time when I try to paste from 
Firefox into Thunderbird, e.g.


rh

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Jose Quesada]

Hi Uwe, all,

  say section is bold, subsection is not. Or colored backgrounds (level1 is

 darker, level 6 is lighter... etc).
 I'd love to assign colors to sections to be able to track them visually.


 For this purpose we have layout files. Dependent on the document class,
you can there define how a  section should within LyX. The Additional
features manual explains the layout files.

This not a matter of altering the layout. I want the sidebar to change
color/font, not the text in the edit area. I don't think layouts control the
sidebar, right?


 The red arrow button jumps t the last cursor position.
 LyX supports 100 undo steps (accessible via shortcut Ctrl+z or the green,
 rounded, left-pointing arrow).


I want the cursor to jump to last edits (say at least 10) without having to
undo things.
That is, the functionality of the red arrow, but for all previous edits, not
only the last one. This works in mostly any text editor worth its salt.


   8. 'pasted from' and url for every paste from the web (onenote uses this

 and it's damn inspired)


  Imagine you want to keep a snippet you found online. you copy it. when
 pasting it in lyx, it will add a little note with the url it came from,
 and
 the time it was collected. This is a killer feature for
 notetaking/research.


 So what do you miss exactly? LyX has support for hyperlinks (to URLs,
 files, mail addresses).


Yes, as described above, I wanted something that would add the url to the
clipboard contents. That ff plugin does it. I wish it existed for chromium,
though, and that urls pasted became clickable...


 regards Uwe

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Pavel Sanda]

Maria Gouskova wrote:
 If this is implemented, I hope it is set to *off* by default--it's

for sure
pavel

adding a style to the right latex folder?

[Jose Quesada]

Hi,

Ubuntu karmic, lyx 1.6.4,...

I need to use the Springer lncs style.

I downloaded this:
ftp://ftp.springer.de/pub/tex/latex/llncs/latex2e/llncs2e.zip

and uncompressed here:

/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/llncs2e

I see that lyx comes with a layout for but it still shows as unavailable.
What am I doing wrong?

Thanks

Best,
-Jose

Jose Quesada, PhD.
Max Planck Institute,
Center for Adaptive Behavior and Cognition,
Berlin
http://www.josequesada.name/
http://twitter.com/Quesada

Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Walter van Holst]

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: things that I miss in lyx
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:51:24 +0100
From: Walter van Holst walter.van.ho...@xs4all.nl
To: Jose Quesada ques...@gmail.com

On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 02:23:34 +0100, Jose Quesada ques...@gmail.com
wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 In no special order, things that I miss in lyx...
 
 1. incremental search
 
 2. sentence autocapitalization

As others have written, NO! IN THE NAME OF EVERYTHING THAT IS HOLY, DON'T!

 3. grammar check (not crucial)

Grammar checks are non-trivial, it would be nice to have this in a modular
way so we can share this with other open source efforts in this field.


 4. search highlight occurences

Even nicer, the search implemented by Apple's Preview document viewer
provides a side bar with frequency bars of the search term's occurence on
each page.

 7. the rest of the world operates on rich text/html. LyX doesn't
(clipboard
 integration is poor, copy-pasting from/to web loses formatting)

Actuall, I prefer the current default of losing formatting. The whole
point of LyX is that you focus on structure and content and have LaTeX
take
care of formatting. The rest of the world operates on a fundamentally
braindead paradigm and if I wanted to use that paradigm I'd be a happy OOo
camper. Which I am not.

 8. 'pasted from' and url for every paste from the web (onenote uses this
 and
 it's damn inspired)

That sounds good. Some Zotero-like stuff might be helpful too.

Regards,

 Walter

Re: adding a style to the right latex folder?

[Jose Quesada]

nm, I missed the reconfigure step.
for reference, it's clearly explained here:
http://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/MacInstall

http://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/MacInstallsorry about the noise to the list..
Best,
-Jose

Jose Quesada, PhD.
Max Planck Institute,
Center for Adaptive Behavior and Cognition,
Berlin
http://www.josequesada.name/
http://twitter.com/Quesada


On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Jose Quesada ques...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Ubuntu karmic, lyx 1.6.4,...

 I need to use the Springer lncs style.

 I downloaded this:
 ftp://ftp.springer.de/pub/tex/latex/llncs/latex2e/llncs2e.zip

 and uncompressed here:

 /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/llncs2e

 I see that lyx comes with a layout for but it still shows as unavailable.
 What am I doing wrong?

 Thanks

 Best,
 -Jose

 Jose Quesada, PhD.
 Max Planck Institute,
 Center for Adaptive Behavior and Cognition,
 Berlin
 http://www.josequesada.name/
 http://twitter.com/Quesada

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Abdelrazak Younes]

On 03/22/2010 01:20 PM, Jose Quesada wrote:

I want the cursor to jump to last edits (say at least 10) without having to
undo things.
That is, the functionality of the red arrow, but for all previous edits, not
only the last one. This works in mostly any text editor worth its salt.


I agree it would be useful to go back 2 or 3 step in edition but 10??!! 
I don't see how this could help you. I guess it should not be too hard 
to implement but I don't know if you'll find a developer for it... maybe 
you?



   8. 'pasted from' and url for every paste from the web (onenote uses this



and it's damn inspired)



  Imagine you want to keep a snippet you found online. you copy it. when

pasting it in lyx, it will add a little note with the url it came from,
and
the time it was collected. This is a killer feature for
notetaking/research.



So what do you miss exactly? LyX has support for hyperlinks (to URLs,
files, mail addresses).



Yes, as described above, I wanted something that would add the url to the
clipboard contents. That ff plugin does it. I wish it existed for chromium,
though, and that urls pasted became clickable...


I guess this is firefox that puts the URL _in_ the clipboard contents 
because the Clibpoard doesn't contain anything like that AFAIK. Is this 
html copying with the URL standardized? If so, that would be interesting 
to implement within LyX clipboard pasting mechanism.



Abdel.

PS: I guess that you are using LyX as a note taking program (I also do 
this) so I can understand some of your suggestions.

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Abdelrazak Younes]

On 03/22/2010 12:35 PM, rgheck wrote:

On 03/22/2010 06:50 AM, Olivier Ripoll wrote:

Jose Quesada wrote:


7. the rest of the world operates on rich text/html. LyX doesn't
(clipboard
integration is poor, copy-pasting from/to web loses formatting)


That is the most annoying feature I've seen appearing in 10 years.
When using software offering this feature, I now must paste to a
text editor, then copy it from here and finally paste to the target
document (I'm not talking about LyX here).


I know this problem! I see it all the time when I try to paste from
Firefox into Thunderbird, e.g.


Me too! Even from Thunderbird to Thunderbird :-)

Hint: use Ctrl-Shift-V

Abdel.

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Uwe Stöhr]

Jose Quesada schrieb:

This not a matter of altering the layout. I want the sidebar to change 
color/font, not the text in the edit area.


OK, this is a different feature. You can add a further enhancement 
request but I fear that no developer will implement this soon.



I don't think layouts control the sidebar, right?


Yes.


The red arrow button jumps t the last cursor position.
LyX supports 100 undo steps (accessible via shortcut Ctrl+z or the
green, rounded, left-pointing arrow).

I want the cursor to jump to last edits (say at least 10) without having 
to undo things.


OK, tis is not yet possible.


Imagine you want to keep a snippet you found online. you copy
it. when
pasting it in lyx, it will add a little note with the url it
came from, and
the time it was collected. This is a killer feature for
notetaking/research.

So what do you miss exactly? LyX has support for hyperlinks (to
URLs, files, mail addresses).

Yes, as described above, I wanted something that would add the url to 
the clipboard contents. That ff plugin does it. I wish it existed for 
chromium, though, and that urls pasted became clickable... 


I still don't understand exactly what you mean. I don't know an ff 
plugin nor chromium.


If you copy text that contains an URL like this sentence:

Hello, http://www.lyx.org is cool.

and paste it into LyX, you only have to highlight the URL in LyX and 
press the hyperlink toolbar button. This creates a clickable hyperlink.
The hyperlink cannot be opened from within LyX but from the preview. We 
had a discussion about this and if I remember correctly, we decided to 
do this because of security reasons. While thinking about this, it 
doesn't make much sense because you already can open external material 
like images from within LyX.
Can you therefore ask on the lyx-devel mailing list if LyX could allow 
to open hyperlinks also from within LyX. Implementing this should be 
easy but i want to hear some other opinions first.


thanks and regards
Uwe

Re: adding a style to the right latex folder?

[Uwe Stöhr]

Jose Quesada schrieb:


I downloaded this:
ftp://ftp.springer.de/pub/tex/latex/llncs/latex2e/llncs2e.zip

and uncompressed here:

/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/llncs2e


Have you afterwards updated your LaTeX paths? (via the command texhash 
or the TeXLive package manager).


If so, restart LyX and reconfigure it (menu Tools-Reconfigure).

regards Uwe

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Graham Smith]

Jose


Yes, as described above, I wanted something that would add the url to the
clipboard contents. That ff plugin does it. I wish it existed for chromium,
though, and that urls pasted became clickable...


Have you googled for a chromium extension?  A quick google here 
suggested a several possibilities.


Not the clickable URLS of course !

Graham

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Jose Quesada]

Graham,

I couldn't find anything. Can you post your findings here?

Best,
-Jose

Jose Quesada, PhD.
Max Planck Institute,
Center for Adaptive Behavior and Cognition,
Berlin
http://www.josequesada.name/
http://twitter.com/Quesada


On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Graham Smith graham.sm...@myotis.co.ukwrote:

 Jose


  Yes, as described above, I wanted something that would add the url to the
 clipboard contents. That ff plugin does it. I wish it existed for
 chromium,
 though, and that urls pasted became clickable...


 Have you googled for a chromium extension?  A quick google here suggested a
 several possibilities.

 Not the clickable URLS of course !

 Graham

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Graham Smith]

Jose



I couldn't find anything. Can you post your findings here?


Mmmm, not really as I'm not especially interested and didn't keep any 
records, but the add ons for Chrome searched from within Chrome came up 
with something called multiclip, plus a couple of others


And Clipboard manager and chromium seemed to throw up several options.

Graham

PDF error converting to loadable format

[Richard Brown]

I do  Insert External Files  PDF and select my pdf. I add the pages
options for all of the pages (there are 2). Lyx burbles a little, and then
spits the error message at me:
 error converting to loadable format. The file was prepared by a friend on
Windows from a  Sibelius music notation file.

If I examine the pdf file properties  I see the following:
Format PDF-1.4
Producer GPL Ghostscript 8.70
Creator PDFCreator Version 0.9.9

What might be going wrong?


I'm using Komascript Book under lyx 1.6.4 on ubuntu 9.04.

Richard

Re: PDF error converting to loadable format

[Stephen Buonopane]

On Mar 22, 2010, at 11:52 AM, Richard Brown wrote:


I do  Insert External Files  PDF and select my pdf. I add the pages
options for all of the pages (there are 2). Lyx burbles a little,  
and then

spits the error message at me:
error converting to loadable format. The file was prepared by a  
friend on

Windows from a  Sibelius music notation file.

If I examine the pdf file properties  I see the following:
Format PDF-1.4
Producer GPL Ghostscript 8.70
Creator PDFCreator Version 0.9.9


Export to PDF should work fine, it is just the preview.
If you have ghostscript version 8.70, then the issue is a bug in gs.
Here is a workaround from a previous post

This seems to be a result of the bug reported here
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/imagemagick/+bug/487637

Copy the script convertDefault.py from /Applications/LyX.app/Contents/ 
Resources/scripts


Comment out the lines
if sys.argv[1][:4] == 'pdf:' and (version = 0x060206 or gm):
opts = '-define pdf:use-cropbox=true ' + opts

On a Mac, the script goes in
/Users/username/Library/Application\ Support/LyX-1.6/scripts 

Document style for multiple levels of sub-headings?

[Tim Wescott]

I'm a Lyx newbie, and it's been ages since I've used LaTeX.

I want to start learning by translating a document from OpenOffice.

But the document I want to start with uses four levels of sub-headings.  
In fact, my standard whip out a document technique usually runs to 
this number of sub-headings.  It may not be pretty, but it's fast and 
the document organization is obvious.


Is there a report style of document out there that supports multiple 
sub-headings, and may otherwise be a suitable start for what I'm trying 
to do?


Thanks.

--
Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
Voice: 503-631-7815
Cell:  503-349-8432
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Re: Odd Notation Typesetting

[Rich Shepard]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010, TheOldFellow wrote:


I want to typeset some psalms with an odd 'pointing'.  Pointing is a
system of marks placed above the words to indicate how the chanter changes
pitch.  If you imagine the TeX /nearrow glyph and change the arrow head to
a degree symbol you'll get the idea.  There are other marks too.  I can't
change the notation, it's traditional.


  Have you looked at The Comprehensive LaTeX Symbol List? I can send the pdf
to you off the list if you cannot find it.

Rich

Re: PDF error converting to loadable format

[Kamran SHAFQAT]

On 22/03/2010 15:52, Richard Brown wrote:

  External Files  PDF and select my pdf. I add the pages
options for all of the pages (there are 2). Lyx burbles a little, and then
spits the error message at me:
  error converting to loadable format. The file was prepared by a friend on
Windows from a  Sibelius music notation file.

If I examine the pdf file properties  I see the following:
Format PDF-1.4
Producer GPL Ghostscript 8.70
Creator PDFCreator Version 0.9.9

What might be going wrong?


I'm using Komascript Book under lyx 1.6.4 on ubuntu 9.04.
   
Try putting the pdf file in the temp. folder of your lyx file. Long time 
ago I found from the mailing list that lyx doesn't copy the pdf file 
into the temp. directory automatically therefore you get an error. I 
don't know if there was some other fix to this but I just copy the pdf  
file that I want to attach manually in the temp. folder and this works.


Regards,

Kamran

Re: PDF error converting to loadable format

[Richard Brown]

Thanks for this. By following your instructions I managed to a) see the pdf
in lyx on screen and b) generate a DVI file. But the  place where the pdf
should be is empty. If however I c) try to generate a pdf from pdflatex, lyx
just goes into an endless loop, from which I can only exit by forcing a
program quit.

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Stephen Buonopane 
stephen.buonop...@bucknell.edu wrote:



 This seems to be a result of the bug reported here
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/imagemagick/+bug/487637

 Copy the script convertDefault.py from
 /Applications/LyX.app/Contents/Resources/scripts

 Comment out the lines
 if sys.argv[1][:4] == 'pdf:' and (version = 0x060206 or gm):
 opts = '-define pdf:use-cropbox=true ' + opts

 On a Mac, the script goes in
 /Users/username/Library/Application\ Support/LyX-1.6/scripts

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Guenter Milde]

On 2010-03-22, Walter van Holst wrote:
 On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 02:23:34 +0100, Jose Quesada ques...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 7. the rest of the world operates on rich text/html. LyX doesn't
(clipboard integration is poor, copy-pasting from/to web loses
formatting)

 Actuall, I prefer the current default of losing formatting. The whole
 point of LyX is that you focus on structure and content and have LaTeX
 take
 care of formatting. The rest of the world operates on a fundamentally
 braindead paradigm and if I wanted to use that paradigm I'd be a happy OOo
 camper. Which I am not.

Sorry, but HTML has (or can be used for) a semantic markup in a quite
comparable way. So, keeping sections, links, emphasized text, quotes,
... *as an option* would be an enhancement.

Günter

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Steve Litt]

On Monday 22 March 2010 08:51:55 Walter van Holst wrote:
  Original Message 
 Subject: Re: things that I miss in lyx
 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:51:24 +0100
 From: Walter van Holst walter.van.ho...@xs4all.nl
 To: Jose Quesada ques...@gmail.com
 
 On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 02:23:34 +0100, Jose Quesada ques...@gmail.com
 
 wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  In no special order, things that I miss in lyx...
 
  1. incremental search
 
  2. sentence autocapitalization
 
 As others have written, NO! IN THE NAME OF EVERYTHING THAT IS HOLY, DON'T!

++
 
  3. grammar check (not crucial)
[clip] 
  4. search highlight occurences
[clip]
  7. the rest of the world operates on rich text/html. LyX doesn't
 
 (clipboard
 
  integration is poor, copy-pasting from/to web loses formatting)
 
 Actuall, I prefer the current default of losing formatting. The whole
 point of LyX is that you focus on structure and content and have LaTeX
 take
 care of formatting. The rest of the world operates on a fundamentally
 braindead paradigm and if I wanted to use that paradigm I'd be a happy OOo
 camper. Which I am not.
+=65535

What could be grosser than having the source's fingerpainting auto-inserted in 
your styles-based LyX doc?

I'd like to take a second to back up a couple levels of abstraction, from 
features to priorities. My priorities in LyX are:

* Ability to write long documents fast and easily
* Styles based authoring

Believe it or not, aesthetic typesetting isn't one of my priorities. My books 
written in WordPerfect 5.1 and MS Word were easily good enough when it came to 
typesetting. After all, my books are a mail order product.

If I wanted to write short docs I'd use Abiword or OpenOffice, kompozer or 
Vim. If I didn't care about styles based authoring I'd use OpenOffice.

I think priorities determine the need for features. Given my priorities, 
character styles was far and away the best feature addition in the last 10 
years. Another great feature is LyX's ability to almost instantly manipulate 
100,000 word documents -- good algorithms implemented right. Outline view was 
a good addition and will be even better when it can be used to add nodes. 
Outline view is a big timesaver. I imagine Layout Modules would be a big 
timesaver but haven't learned to use them yet.

One of the biggest consumers of time when I use LyX is adding and tweaking 
styles, both paragraph (environments) and character. Getting a LyX style to do 
what you want is about 2 orders of magnitude more time consuming than the same 
thing in WP 5.1 or MS Word. That would probably go up to an order of magnitude 
of 3 for a LyX newbie. This can't be helped -- LaTeX is more complex and less 
obvious than WP5.1 or MSWord layout, but it can be addressed through a 
combination of:

1) Documentation
2) Easy to browse and search repository of styles to which we all contribute

Sentence autocapitalization might be somewhat of a time saver if the subject 
matter always has a capital following a period and whitespace. But for code-
rich docs, it would slow you down immensely. As far as special kinds of 
searches, LyX's algorithm design and implementation is so good that you can 
brute force search almost instantly, so what's the need?

This paragraph is my opinion -- your mileage may vary. In my opinion LyX is a 
tool to be used in a very narrow set of circumstances -- long document writing 
where consistency is a priority (hence styles), and good typesetting is a 
priority, and table of contents and indices just work. I'd never use it for a 
poster -- Inkscape does posters better. I'd never use it to create a web page 
-- Kompozer is much better at that (exception: When a whole web subsite must 
have consistency and is the equivalent of a document). I wouldn't use it for a 
five page document -- OpenOffice and AbiWord are much easier for that, whether 
you're doing fingerpainting or limited styles-based. To me, adding features 
like autocap and especially rich/XML paste would be trying to make LyX into a 
tool it's not -- like putting a file on the side of a hammer.

I think the decision of what features to add is all about what one does with 
LyX, and one's priorities in using LyX.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Julio Rojas]

The only feature I miss is a layout editor. I don't know how easy
would it be to program one, but that would be one good addition. The
second one I miss, mostly because I'm not a native English speaker, is
online spell checking, but that is coming in 2.0.

Again, I have to give my most sincere thanks to all developers. Lyx is
a wonderful tool even if my WinEdt addict friends at the lab keep
laughing at me for using it. :D
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
 On Monday 22 March 2010 08:51:55 Walter van Holst wrote:
  Original Message 
 Subject: Re: things that I miss in lyx
 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:51:24 +0100
 From: Walter van Holst walter.van.ho...@xs4all.nl
 To: Jose Quesada ques...@gmail.com

 On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 02:23:34 +0100, Jose Quesada ques...@gmail.com

 wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  In no special order, things that I miss in lyx...
 
  1. incremental search
 
  2. sentence autocapitalization

 As others have written, NO! IN THE NAME OF EVERYTHING THAT IS HOLY, DON'T!

 ++

  3. grammar check (not crucial)
 [clip]
  4. search highlight occurences
 [clip]
  7. the rest of the world operates on rich text/html. LyX doesn't

 (clipboard

  integration is poor, copy-pasting from/to web loses formatting)

 Actuall, I prefer the current default of losing formatting. The whole
 point of LyX is that you focus on structure and content and have LaTeX
 take
 care of formatting. The rest of the world operates on a fundamentally
 braindead paradigm and if I wanted to use that paradigm I'd be a happy OOo
 camper. Which I am not.
 +=65535

 What could be grosser than having the source's fingerpainting auto-inserted in
 your styles-based LyX doc?

 I'd like to take a second to back up a couple levels of abstraction, from
 features to priorities. My priorities in LyX are:

 * Ability to write long documents fast and easily
 * Styles based authoring

 Believe it or not, aesthetic typesetting isn't one of my priorities. My books
 written in WordPerfect 5.1 and MS Word were easily good enough when it came to
 typesetting. After all, my books are a mail order product.

 If I wanted to write short docs I'd use Abiword or OpenOffice, kompozer or
 Vim. If I didn't care about styles based authoring I'd use OpenOffice.

 I think priorities determine the need for features. Given my priorities,
 character styles was far and away the best feature addition in the last 10
 years. Another great feature is LyX's ability to almost instantly manipulate
 100,000 word documents -- good algorithms implemented right. Outline view was
 a good addition and will be even better when it can be used to add nodes.
 Outline view is a big timesaver. I imagine Layout Modules would be a big
 timesaver but haven't learned to use them yet.

 One of the biggest consumers of time when I use LyX is adding and tweaking
 styles, both paragraph (environments) and character. Getting a LyX style to do
 what you want is about 2 orders of magnitude more time consuming than the same
 thing in WP 5.1 or MS Word. That would probably go up to an order of magnitude
 of 3 for a LyX newbie. This can't be helped -- LaTeX is more complex and less
 obvious than WP5.1 or MSWord layout, but it can be addressed through a
 combination of:

 1) Documentation
 2) Easy to browse and search repository of styles to which we all contribute

 Sentence autocapitalization might be somewhat of a time saver if the subject
 matter always has a capital following a period and whitespace. But for code-
 rich docs, it would slow you down immensely. As far as special kinds of
 searches, LyX's algorithm design and implementation is so good that you can
 brute force search almost instantly, so what's the need?

 This paragraph is my opinion -- your mileage may vary. In my opinion LyX is a
 tool to be used in a very narrow set of circumstances -- long document writing
 where consistency is a priority (hence styles), and good typesetting is a
 priority, and table of contents and indices just work. I'd never use it for a
 poster -- Inkscape does posters better. I'd never use it to create a web page
 -- Kompozer is much better at that (exception: When a whole web subsite must
 have consistency and is the equivalent of a document). I wouldn't use it for a
 five page document -- OpenOffice and AbiWord are much easier for that, whether
 you're doing fingerpainting or limited styles-based. To me, adding features
 like autocap and especially rich/XML paste would be trying to make LyX into a
 tool it's not -- like putting a file on the side of a hammer.

 I think the decision of what features to add is all about what one does with
 LyX, and one's priorities in using LyX.

 SteveT

 Steve Litt
 Recession Relief Package
 http://www.recession-relief.US
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/22/2010 05:43 PM, Julio Rojas wrote:

The only feature I miss is a layout editor. I don't know how easy
would it be to program one, but that would be one good addition.

   
This has been discussed often, and I don't know how hard it would be, 
either. I actually suspect that getting something basic working wouldn't 
take much work at all. By basic, I mean: Something that would look like 
a database editor, with lots of combo boxes, text boxes, and the like, 
where you could choose things for the various legal tags. It would load 
a layout file for you, and then you could choose stuff to modify. When 
you were done, it would write the file out. The reading code is of 
course there. The writing code is not. Most of the work would go into 
defining the options, which ones are allowed in which cases, etc. I'm 
not even sure what sort of data structure one would want to use for that.


As a bonus, though this would be a *bit* harder, LyX could show you what 
your new style would look like. Even this wouldn't be too hard, though, 
because of embeddable work areas, such as will be used in the advanced 
search and replace feature. These are little windows that work exactly 
like document windows, except that they don't represent the contents of 
documents. The display one would presumably be marked read-only and show 
some standard example text.


rh

Wizard, please

[Piero]

Ok, just 24 hours before printing my 350+ diss., I received the ultimate error 
message:
TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [input stack size=5000]
along with If you really absolutely need more capacity,
you can ask a wizard to enlarge me.

You can imagine how I feel.
Last thing I did, I put 2 floats in a single float as subfloat. Didn't add 
anything else.
Please, help

Piero

[SOLVED] Wizard, please

[Piero]

 along with If you really absolutely need more capacity,
 you can ask a wizard to enlarge me.

...maybe it would be wise not to try sub-sub-floats...

Sorry, wizard, nevermind.

Piero

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Hellmut Weber]

Am 22.03.2010 18:36, schrieb Steve Litt:

On Monday 22 March 2010 08:51:55 Walter van Holst wrote:

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: things that I miss in lyx
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:51:24 +0100
From: Walter van Holstwalter.van.ho...@xs4all.nl
To: Jose Quesadaques...@gmail.com

On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 02:23:34 +0100, Jose Quesadaques...@gmail.com

wrote:

Hi all,

In no special order, things that I miss in lyx...

1. incremental search

2. sentence autocapitalization


As others have written, NO! IN THE NAME OF EVERYTHING THAT IS HOLY, DON'T!


++



3. grammar check (not crucial)

[clip]

4. search highlight occurences

[clip]

7. the rest of the world operates on rich text/html. LyX doesn't


(clipboard


integration is poor, copy-pasting from/to web loses formatting)


Actuall, I prefer the current default of losing formatting. The whole
point of LyX is that you focus on structure and content and have LaTeX
take
care of formatting. The rest of the world operates on a fundamentally
braindead paradigm and if I wanted to use that paradigm I'd be a happy OOo
camper. Which I am not.

+=65535

What could be grosser than having the source's fingerpainting auto-inserted in
your styles-based LyX doc?

I'd like to take a second to back up a couple levels of abstraction, from
features to priorities. My priorities in LyX are:

* Ability to write long documents fast and easily
* Styles based authoring

Believe it or not, aesthetic typesetting isn't one of my priorities. My books
written in WordPerfect 5.1 and MS Word were easily good enough when it came to
typesetting. After all, my books are a mail order product.

If I wanted to write short docs I'd use Abiword or OpenOffice, kompozer or
Vim. If I didn't care about styles based authoring I'd use OpenOffice.

I think priorities determine the need for features. Given my priorities,
character styles was far and away the best feature addition in the last 10
years. Another great feature is LyX's ability to almost instantly manipulate
100,000 word documents -- good algorithms implemented right. Outline view was
a good addition and will be even better when it can be used to add nodes.
Outline view is a big timesaver. I imagine Layout Modules would be a big
timesaver but haven't learned to use them yet.

One of the biggest consumers of time when I use LyX is adding and tweaking
styles, both paragraph (environments) and character. Getting a LyX style to do
what you want is about 2 orders of magnitude more time consuming than the same
thing in WP 5.1 or MS Word. That would probably go up to an order of magnitude
of 3 for a LyX newbie. This can't be helped -- LaTeX is more complex and less
obvious than WP5.1 or MSWord layout, but it can be addressed through a
combination of:

1) Documentation
2) Easy to browse and search repository of styles to which we all contribute

Sentence autocapitalization might be somewhat of a time saver if the subject
matter always has a capital following a period and whitespace. But for code-
rich docs, it would slow you down immensely. As far as special kinds of
searches, LyX's algorithm design and implementation is so good that you can
brute force search almost instantly, so what's the need?

This paragraph is my opinion -- your mileage may vary. In my opinion LyX is a
tool to be used in a very narrow set of circumstances -- long document writing
where consistency is a priority (hence styles), and good typesetting is a
priority, and table of contents and indices just work. I'd never use it for a
poster -- Inkscape does posters better. I'd never use it to create a web page
-- Kompozer is much better at that (exception: When a whole web subsite must
have consistency and is the equivalent of a document). I wouldn't use it for a
five page document -- OpenOffice and AbiWord are much easier for that, whether
you're doing fingerpainting or limited styles-based. To me, adding features
like autocap and especially rich/XML paste would be trying to make LyX into a
tool it's not -- like putting a file on the side of a hammer.
I would like to present my experiences which are somewhat different from 
Steve's:


I'm using LyX for *all* sorts of documents, preferably rather short ones 
5 - 10 pages. For me the consistency of a large set of shorter documents 
is the crucial point (may be around 150 different papres which have 
accumulated over the years)


So I have spent some time in defining my special layouts for e.g. 
official documents for my business as management consultant, different 
letter templates for my bussiness, private letter, private letters of my 
wife and so on.


I have to admit that I have some knowledge of LaTeX from past activities.

And once I have a template for some type of document I don't have to 
think about layout any more.


I have been obliged to use word for several years and had two 
opportunities to migrate a set of documents with a specific company 
layout to a new word version (not to speak about the joy to buy  

LyxBlogger Goes XML-RPC

[Jack Desert]

LyxBlogger 0.31 is released. It's a whole new critter under the hood.
She still runs on Python, but Xclip is gone. Instead, she's running
proud and strong on the wordpresslib.py library, which allows her to
connect directly to the XML-RPC backbone of WordPress. 

New Features in LyxBlogger 0.31:

• XML-RPC connectivity to WordPress Blogs
• Supports Image Upload
• Supports LyX 2.0 (internal) LyXHTML format
• Supports eLyXer HTML format
• Retrieves categories from server to allow user to select from a list. 
• Allows user prompts for credentials or saving of credentials in file
• Spawns its own xterm window for user input and to display messages 
• Extracts title from document and uses it as the posting title. 
• Test credentials provided for zippermania.wordpress.com so new users
can easily try out LyxBlogger.

I've created a Google code repository with archives of present and past
versions of LyxBlogger. See
http://code.google.com/p/lyxblogger

I welcome any LyX users to try LyxBlogger for themselves. It will be
exciting to see what interesting topics appear at the testing site,
http://zippermania.wordpress.com, in the coming months.

-Jack

-- 
~~~
Jack Desert --Writer, Entrepeneur
Author and Spokesman: www.LetsEATalready.com
Software Developer:   http://GrooveTask.org
Email: jwo...@gmail.com
~~~

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Mar 22, Julio Rojas did say:

 The only feature I miss is a layout editor. I don't know how easy
 would it be to program one, but that would be one good addition.

Don't know much about that... I just use LyX, I don't really understand it
very well, so I'm not grasping the advantages of this feature ?

 The second one I miss, mostly because I'm not a native English speaker,
 is online spell checking, but that is coming in 2.0.

Oh Gawd no! That is if I understand you to mean that it will check my
spelling as I type, and interrupt my creative flow to inform me that it
thinks I misspelled something. {or even worse silently replacing
misspelled or unknown words with what it thinks is the best matching
replacement word} No, I much prefer it wait for me to tell it I'm ready
for such a distraction. {by pressing F7} So I sincerely hope and pray
that if that's what you mean by online spellchecking that they make it
easy to totally disable it...

What I'd find useful might be that it kept track of which (chapters,
parts, sections, etc... I'd modified during a sessioni, and if the last
modification wasn't a spellcheck operation, then inform me with a dialog
box on output, manual file save, file close, or program quit, that there
are modified (sections etc...) that have not been spell checked, And would I
like to spell check {just those modified sections, chapters etc...) first.
I note that any of the above (with the possible exception of the manual
save) would tend to indicate that the creative flow of content has
already been interrupted when I decided I wanted to see what the finished
product looked like or chose to close the file or quit LyX...
This would of course imply that there would be a spellcheck option to
spell check all modified sections, chapters etc... on command. Probably
this would be a difficult thing to implement. So I sure don't expect to
see it in LyX or even something like OO.o, any time soon. But, it'd be
much more welcome than shudder checking my spelling as I type...
 
 Again, I have to give my most sincere thanks to all developers. Lyx is
 a wonderful tool...

On that I think we agree! ;-)

 ...even if my WinEdt addict friends at the lab keep laughing at me for
 using it. :D

In the long run, I think the joke's on them...

-- 
|   ---   ___
|   0   - Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|   ^  J(tWdy)P
|~\___/~  jtw...@ttlc.net

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Steve Litt]

On Monday 22 March 2010 17:43:10 Julio Rojas wrote:
 The only feature I miss is a layout editor. I don't know how easy
 would it be to program one, but that would be one good addition.

It's hard Julio. It's hard enough that I couldn't even *specify* a layout 
editor, though I tried. If I'd been able to specify one, I'd have either 
pestered the LyX crew to write it, or written it myself in Perl/Tk (I'm not 
much of a Qt type of guy).

I'm thinking the best way to address the difficulty of new environments and 
character styles might be to start a public collection of them. A person could 
start with something close to what he wants and tweak it til it's right. Such 
a collection could come with a supporting document that organizes various 
environments and character styles in a hierarchy so that what you need is 
easily findable.

Wordperfect and MSWord have layout editors of sorts, but their tags are so 
much simpler than LaTeX.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

2 questions regarding float placement

[Venable]

Hi LyX-users,

I have 2 questions regarding the placement of floats and the numbers
assigned to them in cross-references.

The first is whether it is possible to have to order in which floats
are referred to in the text determine the order in which they appear
in the final document.

For example, suppose I have 2 tables, A and B, but I don't know
ex-ante which will logically appear first in my final document. I
would like for this to be automatically determined by the one that is
first referred to in the text. Is this possible?

Second, I would like to know how best to maintain consistency in table
and figure numbering between a paper and a corresponding Beamer
presentation.

That is, suppose I have a paper with three tables but in a brief
presentation only want to use the first and third of these. For
example, the second is just a variant on the first that is worth
including in a paper but not needed for a time-limited presentation.
It would be useful for the numbering in the presentation to match the
numbering in the paper, so as not to confuse people in the audience
who have a copy of the paper.

Thanks.

Re: Layout file not usable

[Guenter Milde]

On 2010-03-22, Tim Wescott wrote:

> I'm working hard at being a brand-new user, but I'm still a 
> user-wannabe, because things ain't working!  I'm using Ubuntu 9.10, 
> brand shiny new installation of Lyx.  I try to create a document from a 
> template (any template, but I'll use latex8 as an example)

Really *any*?? 

Just to sort out principal failure: Could you test with a new standard
document (Ctrl-N), type a simple sentence and view the PDF?

> and I get the following:

> The layout file requested by this document, latex8.layout, is not
> usable. This is probably because a LaTeX class or style file required
> by it is not available. See the Customization documentation for more
> information. LyX will not be able to produce output.

This indicates that a latex document-class is missing. 

> I tried reconfigure -- no luck.

> I tried running texhash -- no luck.

> I verified that /usr/share/lyx/layouts is there, and that it has 
> latex8.layout (and all the others that didn't work) in it.

You will need to install more of texlive than just the basics (which are
auto-installed as a LyX dependency).

In your example, you should look for latex8.cls or latex8.sty. If it is
not on your system, try e.g. `apt-file find latex8.cls`` to see which
package you need to install. (Actually, I did not find a package that
ships latex8 for Debian, so this might even be a "download from CTAN and
install 'by hand'" documentclass, however, you might e.g. find the
seminar class in texlive-latex-recommended.)

Günter

Re: a few "chapter*"s between TOC and chapter 1 (NOT part of TOC)???

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Feb 23, Helge Hafting did say:

> Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
> > The sequence is the TOC followed by a tex code box containing:
> > \mainmatter
> > \pagenumbering{roman}
> > 
> > Then a few short chapter*(s) That are not part of the numbered chapters.
> > And it is not desired for them to be labeled as "contents" in the output
> > (pdf)
> > 
> > Then there is another tex code box containing:
> > \pagenumbering{arabic}
> > 
> > And finally  Chapter 1...
> > 
> > How can I stop "output" from inserting the word "contents" into the
> > the page header of the "chapter*{s} without relocating them to
> > before the TOC, nor after chapter 1???
> 
> This works for document class "book":
> 
> Immediately after the TOC (before your chapter*), an ERT box with
> \pagestyle{plain}
> This gets rid of the running header you didn't want. You will still
> get "contents" on TOC pages, if your TOC spans more than one page.
> 
> The first normal text in the first chapter should start with an ERT box with:
> \pagestyle{headings}
> in order to reinstate the running headers that you probably want for your
> numbered chapters.
> 
> The page styles:
> empty - nothing, not even a page number
> plain - a page number, nothing more
> headings  - page number and running header (with the chapter name,
> usually)
> myheadings- user defined by using more ERT (\markright or \markboth
> whenever you want the running headers to change)
> fancy - Even more user defined. Maybe you want a logo in the
> heading, a colored page number, anything goes but
> more ERT is needed.
> 
> Note that the \pagestyle command is only necessary if you want running
> headers in the normal chapters but not elsewhere. If you don't want
> any running headers at all, just turn them off in document settings,
> page style set to "plain".  No need for ERT then.
> 
> To style a single page differently: \thispagestyle{plain} in an ERT box
> anywhere on that page.

Like I said previously Helge, the insertion of "\pagestyle{plain}" &
"\pagestyle{headings}" in the places you described worked for what I wanted
for the current project. But I spent some time trying to figure out how to
use \pagestyle{myheadings} with somewhat less success.

I found that By using \pagestyle{myheadings} instead of \pagestyle{plain}
I could then get "SOME" control over the headers of my "chapter*" with
\markboth{header text}{other header text}
One problem was that it wouldn't print on the 1st page of a chapter* But
that was only a minor aggravation. The real problem was that the 
"\pagestyle{headings}" I'd inserted just before the first normal text of
the first normal chapter, no longer caused it to resume the default
headers that I'd normally get for the chapters. But kept on using the
page header(s) I'd set with "\markboth{header text}{other header text}"
What would I have to do to get the normal headers to resume after setting
up a chapter* to use "\pagestyle{myheadings}" ???

And if you could be so kind as to point me at a good {example rich} how-to that
covers doing something similar to a "document class book" with \pagestyle{fancy}
I'd be grateful. Cause I failed to get that working at all... 

Sorry to be such a pest.

-- 
|  ~^~   ~^~
|Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
|  ^J(tWdy)P
|\___/ <>

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Trevor Jenkins]

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Jose Quesada  wrote:
>
> On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 3:28 AM, rgheck  wrote:
>
> > On 03/20/2010 09:23 PM, Jose Quesada wrote:
> >
> > >  1. incremental search
> > Do you mean F3?
>
> no, I mean that as you type in the search box things that match get
> immediately active. No need to press enter, it works together with 'search
> highlight occurences'. the best way to experience this is to open vim, press
> / and start typing your search term. Word 2010 does this too (took them 10
> years :) )

A better example would be emacs (not trying to start an editors war).
And holding up any version of Word as an examplar is probably not
sensible. There are much more important things than incremental search
that have been waiting for resolution from Microsoft for much longer,
i. e. bug fixes.

> >  2. sentence autocapitalization
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > Hmm. Most of us hate that.

Amen to that.

> Let me try to motivate this feature.
> 1- It's trivial to implement it, and then make it optional.
> 2- The only way to check whether you have missed a capital is by loading all
> your lyx files on a text editor that supports regex and painfully check
> results of \.\s+[a-z] one by one. Not efficient.
> 3- I hate to do keyboard combos. they are bad for rsi and slower overall.
> Autocapitalization would save thousands of those a month.

What's wrong with pressing the Shift key as you type? That way you
have complete control of where capitalisation occurs. Those word
processors where it is enable by default make a piss poor attempt at.
And your regex hits things that are *not* sentence starts, e. g. this
example, which includes abbreviations e. g. like e. g.

Putting in autocapitisation simply shifts the responsibility from the
typist to the copy-editor. Better to do it right from the start than
to rely on some programmatic scheme that will not deal real
situations.


> >  5. bold, color background on outline. A way for the eyes to fixate
> >> landmarks
> >> in long outlines.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > I'm not sure what you mean here.
> >
> > say section is bold, subsection is not. Or colored backgrounds (level1 is
> darker, level 6 is lighter... etc).
> I'd love to assign colors to sections to be able to track them visually.

As someone with Meares-Irlan syndrome I see horrid cognitive effects
from such a feature.

> >  7. the rest of the world operates on rich text/html. LyX doesn't (clipboard
> >> integration is poor, copy-pasting from/to web loses formatting)

Actually most of the world operates on .doc format that doesn't make it right.

> > I'm not sure which rest of the world you have in mind, but I agree that
> > LyX's external clipboard handling could be improved. We generally use
> > plaintext for this, because no-one has cared enough to change it since it
> > was implemented eons ago.
> >
> >
> say copy-paste from browsers. keeping basic formatting (headings, bold)
> would be good., but I bet this is non-trivial. Running some html parser on
> clipboard contents, then convert html to lyx... then paste.

I don't do that in LyX but I've seen OpenOffice.org make a real hash
of pasting HTMLised text on Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows.

> > > 8. 'pasted from' and url for every paste from the web (onenote uses this
> > > and it's damn inspired)

Must be the only good featrure of OneNote then.

> >>
> >>
> >>
> > Don't understand this either.
> >
> >
> Imagine you want to keep a snippet you found online. you copy it. when
> pasting it in lyx, it will add a little note with the url it came from, and
> the time it was collected. This is a killer feature for
> notetaking/research.

Um, you do your notetaking/research direct into LyX? Scrivener or
Journlr are a better tools for this task and allow the export of
entries to LaTeX for processing with LyX.

Regards, Trevor.

<>< Re: deemed!

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Olivier Ripoll]

Jose Quesada wrote:

Hi all,

In no special order, things that I miss in lyx...


Hi,

There are 2 points in your list for which our tastes diverge (and 
according to the thread, I'm not the only one).



2. sentence autocapitalization


I hate that. One of the first things I switch off in MS word. I have 
nothing against seeing it appear in LyX, but I would definitely hate not 
to be able to switch it off.



7. the rest of the world operates on rich text/html. LyX doesn't (clipboard
integration is poor, copy-pasting from/to web loses formatting)


That is the most annoying "feature" I've seen appearing in 10 years. 
When using software offering this "feature", I now must paste to a text 
editor, then copy it from here and finally paste to the target document 
(I'm not talking about LyX here).

Also, this would not be WYSIWYM, the main strength of LyX.

Best regards,

Olivier

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/22/2010 05:30 AM, Trevor Jenkins wrote:

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Jose Quesada  wrote:
   


Let me try to motivate this feature.
1- It's trivial to implement it, and then make it optional.
2- The only way to check whether you have missed a capital is by loading all
your lyx files on a text editor that supports regex and painfully check
results of \.\s+[a-z] one by one. Not efficient.
3- I hate to do keyboard combos. they are bad for rsi and slower overall.
Autocapitalization would save thousands of those a month.
 

What's wrong with pressing the Shift key as you type? That way you
have complete control of where capitalisation occurs. Those word
processors where it is enable by default make a piss poor attempt at.
And your regex hits things that are *not* sentence starts, e. g. this
example, which includes abbreviations e. g. like e. g.

   
Which is one of the major problems with autocaps. Yes, you can have some 
list of exceptions, but then you need a list of exceptions to the 
exceptions.



say copy-paste from browsers. keeping basic formatting (headings, bold)
would be good., but I bet this is non-trivial. Running some html parser on
clipboard contents, then convert html to lyx... then paste.
 

I don't do that in LyX but I've seen OpenOffice.org make a real hash
of pasting HTMLised text on Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows.

   
As he said, this is highly non-trivial. And the better the website, the 
harder it is, since a good website will use semantic markup that is 
styled by CSS. Then what do you do?


rh

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/21/2010 10:14 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Am 21.03.2010 22:12, schrieb Jose Quesada:


  2. sentence autocapitalization



Hmm. Most of us hate that.

Let me try to motivate this feature.
1- It's trivial to implement it, and then make it optional.


Indeed, we should let the users decide. Please open an enhancement 
report in our bug tracking system.


It is important to remember that this sort of feature is not cost-free, 
even if it can be turned off. It complicates the code and therefore 
makes maintenance more difficult.


rh

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[rgheck]

On 03/22/2010 06:50 AM, Olivier Ripoll wrote:

Jose Quesada wrote:

7. the rest of the world operates on rich text/html. LyX doesn't 
(clipboard

integration is poor, copy-pasting from/to web loses formatting)


That is the most annoying "feature" I've seen appearing in 10 years. 
When using software offering this "feature", I now must paste to a 
text editor, then copy it from here and finally paste to the target 
document (I'm not talking about LyX here).


I know this problem! I see it all the time when I try to paste from 
Firefox into Thunderbird, e.g.


rh

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Jose Quesada]

Hi Uwe, all,

>  say section is bold, subsection is not. Or colored backgrounds (level1 is
>>
> darker, level 6 is lighter... etc).
> I'd love to assign colors to sections to be able to track them visually.
>

> For this purpose we have layout files. Dependent on the document class,
you can there define how a > section should within LyX. The Additional
features manual explains the layout files.

This not a matter of altering the layout. I want the sidebar to change
color/font, not the text in the edit area. I don't think layouts control the
sidebar, right?


 The red arrow button jumps t the last cursor position.
> LyX supports 100 undo steps (accessible via shortcut Ctrl+z or the green,
> rounded, left-pointing arrow).
>
>
I want the cursor to jump to last edits (say at least 10) without having to
undo things.
That is, the functionality of the red arrow, but for all previous edits, not
only the last one. This works in mostly any text editor worth its salt.


>   8. 'pasted from' and url for every paste from the web (onenote uses this
>>>
 and it's damn inspired)

>>>
>>>  Imagine you want to keep a snippet you found online. you copy it. when
>> pasting it in lyx, it will add a little note with the url it came from,
>> and
>> the time it was collected. This is a killer feature for
>> notetaking/research.
>>
>
> So what do you miss exactly? LyX has support for hyperlinks (to URLs,
> files, mail addresses).
>

Yes, as described above, I wanted something that would add the url to the
clipboard contents. That ff plugin does it. I wish it existed for chromium,
though, and that urls pasted became clickable...

>
> regards Uwe
>

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Pavel Sanda]

Maria Gouskova wrote:
> If this is implemented, I hope it is set to *off* by default--it's

for sure
pavel

adding a style to the right latex folder?

[Jose Quesada]

Hi,

Ubuntu karmic, lyx 1.6.4,...

I need to use the Springer lncs style.

I downloaded this:
ftp://ftp.springer.de/pub/tex/latex/llncs/latex2e/llncs2e.zip

and uncompressed here:

/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/llncs2e

I see that lyx comes with a layout for but it still shows as unavailable.
What am I doing wrong?

Thanks

Best,
-Jose

Jose Quesada, PhD.
Max Planck Institute,
Center for Adaptive Behavior and Cognition,
Berlin
http://www.josequesada.name/
http://twitter.com/Quesada

Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Walter van Holst]

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: things that I miss in lyx
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:51:24 +0100
From: Walter van Holst 
To: Jose Quesada 

On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 02:23:34 +0100, Jose Quesada 
wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> In no special order, things that I miss in lyx...
> 
> 1. incremental search
> 
> 2. sentence autocapitalization

As others have written, NO! IN THE NAME OF EVERYTHING THAT IS HOLY, DON'T!

> 3. grammar check (not crucial)

Grammar checks are non-trivial, it would be nice to have this in a modular
way so we can share this with other open source efforts in this field.


> 4. search highlight occurences

Even nicer, the search implemented by Apple's Preview document viewer
provides a side bar with frequency bars of the search term's occurence on
each page.

> 7. the rest of the world operates on rich text/html. LyX doesn't
(clipboard
> integration is poor, copy-pasting from/to web loses formatting)

Actuall, I prefer the current default of losing formatting. The whole
point of LyX is that you focus on structure and content and have LaTeX
take
care of formatting. The rest of the world operates on a fundamentally
braindead paradigm and if I wanted to use that paradigm I'd be a happy OOo
camper. Which I am not.

> 8. 'pasted from' and url for every paste from the web (onenote uses this
> and
> it's damn inspired)

That sounds good. Some Zotero-like stuff might be helpful too.

Regards,

 Walter

Re: adding a style to the right latex folder?

[Jose Quesada]

nm, I missed the reconfigure step.
for reference, it's clearly explained here:
http://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/MacInstall

sorry about the noise to the list..
Best,
-Jose

Jose Quesada, PhD.
Max Planck Institute,
Center for Adaptive Behavior and Cognition,
Berlin
http://www.josequesada.name/
http://twitter.com/Quesada


On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Jose Quesada  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Ubuntu karmic, lyx 1.6.4,...
>
> I need to use the Springer lncs style.
>
> I downloaded this:
> ftp://ftp.springer.de/pub/tex/latex/llncs/latex2e/llncs2e.zip
>
> and uncompressed here:
>
> /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/llncs2e
>
> I see that lyx comes with a layout for but it still shows as unavailable.
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> Thanks
>
> Best,
> -Jose
>
> Jose Quesada, PhD.
> Max Planck Institute,
> Center for Adaptive Behavior and Cognition,
> Berlin
> http://www.josequesada.name/
> http://twitter.com/Quesada
>

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Abdelrazak Younes]

On 03/22/2010 01:20 PM, Jose Quesada wrote:

I want the cursor to jump to last edits (say at least 10) without having to
undo things.
That is, the functionality of the red arrow, but for all previous edits, not
only the last one. This works in mostly any text editor worth its salt.


I agree it would be useful to go back 2 or 3 step in edition but 10??!! 
I don't see how this could help you. I guess it should not be too hard 
to implement but I don't know if you'll find a developer for it... maybe 
you?



   8. 'pasted from' and url for every paste from the web (onenote uses this



and it's damn inspired)



  Imagine you want to keep a snippet you found online. you copy it. when

pasting it in lyx, it will add a little note with the url it came from,
and
the time it was collected. This is a killer feature for
notetaking/research.



So what do you miss exactly? LyX has support for hyperlinks (to URLs,
files, mail addresses).



Yes, as described above, I wanted something that would add the url to the
clipboard contents. That ff plugin does it. I wish it existed for chromium,
though, and that urls pasted became clickable...


I guess this is firefox that puts the URL _in_ the clipboard contents 
because the Clibpoard doesn't contain anything like that AFAIK. Is this 
html copying with the URL standardized? If so, that would be interesting 
to implement within LyX clipboard pasting mechanism.



Abdel.

PS: I guess that you are using LyX as a note taking program (I also do 
this) so I can understand some of your suggestions.

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Abdelrazak Younes]

On 03/22/2010 12:35 PM, rgheck wrote:

On 03/22/2010 06:50 AM, Olivier Ripoll wrote:

Jose Quesada wrote:


7. the rest of the world operates on rich text/html. LyX doesn't
(clipboard
integration is poor, copy-pasting from/to web loses formatting)


That is the most annoying "feature" I've seen appearing in 10 years.
When using software offering this "feature", I now must paste to a
text editor, then copy it from here and finally paste to the target
document (I'm not talking about LyX here).


I know this problem! I see it all the time when I try to paste from
Firefox into Thunderbird, e.g.


Me too! Even from Thunderbird to Thunderbird :-)

Hint: use Ctrl-Shift-V

Abdel.

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Uwe Stöhr]

Jose Quesada schrieb:

This not a matter of altering the layout. I want the sidebar to change 
color/font, not the text in the edit area.


OK, this is a different feature. You can add a further enhancement 
request but I fear that no developer will implement this soon.



I don't think layouts control the sidebar, right?


Yes.


The red arrow button jumps t the last cursor position.
LyX supports 100 undo steps (accessible via shortcut Ctrl+z or the
green, rounded, left-pointing arrow).

I want the cursor to jump to last edits (say at least 10) without having 
to undo things.


OK, tis is not yet possible.


Imagine you want to keep a snippet you found online. you copy
it. when
pasting it in lyx, it will add a little note with the url it
came from, and
the time it was collected. This is a killer feature for
notetaking/research.

So what do you miss exactly? LyX has support for hyperlinks (to
URLs, files, mail addresses).

Yes, as described above, I wanted something that would add the url to 
the clipboard contents. That ff plugin does it. I wish it existed for 
chromium, though, and that urls pasted became clickable... 


I still don't understand exactly what you mean. I don't know an "ff" 
plugin nor chromium.


If you copy text that contains an URL like this sentence:

Hello, http://www.lyx.org is cool.

and paste it into LyX, you only have to highlight the URL in LyX and 
press the hyperlink toolbar button. This creates a clickable hyperlink.
The hyperlink cannot be opened from within LyX but from the preview. We 
had a discussion about this and if I remember correctly, we decided to 
do this because of security reasons. While thinking about this, it 
doesn't make much sense because you already can open external material 
like images from within LyX.
Can you therefore ask on the lyx-devel mailing list if LyX could allow 
to open hyperlinks also from within LyX. Implementing this should be 
easy but i want to hear some other opinions first.


thanks and regards
Uwe

Re: adding a style to the right latex folder?

[Uwe Stöhr]

Jose Quesada schrieb:


I downloaded this:
ftp://ftp.springer.de/pub/tex/latex/llncs/latex2e/llncs2e.zip

and uncompressed here:

/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/llncs2e


Have you afterwards updated your LaTeX paths? (via the command "texhash" 
or the TeXLive package manager).


If so, restart LyX and reconfigure it (menu Tools->Reconfigure).

regards Uwe

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Graham Smith]

Jose


Yes, as described above, I wanted something that would add the url to the
clipboard contents. That ff plugin does it. I wish it existed for chromium,
though, and that urls pasted became clickable...


Have you googled for a chromium extension?  A quick google here 
suggested a several possibilities.


Not the clickable URLS of course !

Graham

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Jose Quesada]

Graham,

I couldn't find anything. Can you post your findings here?

Best,
-Jose

Jose Quesada, PhD.
Max Planck Institute,
Center for Adaptive Behavior and Cognition,
Berlin
http://www.josequesada.name/
http://twitter.com/Quesada


On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Graham Smith wrote:

> Jose
>
>
>  Yes, as described above, I wanted something that would add the url to the
>> clipboard contents. That ff plugin does it. I wish it existed for
>> chromium,
>> though, and that urls pasted became clickable...
>>
>
> Have you googled for a chromium extension?  A quick google here suggested a
> several possibilities.
>
> Not the clickable URLS of course !
>
> Graham
>

Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Graham Smith]

Jose



I couldn't find anything. Can you post your findings here?


Mmmm, not really as I'm not especially interested and didn't keep any 
records, but the add ons for Chrome searched from within Chrome came up 
with something called multiclip, plus a couple of others


And "Clipboard manager" and chromium seemed to throw up several options.

Graham

PDF error converting to loadable format

[Richard Brown]

I do > Insert External Files > PDF and select my pdf. I add the pages
options for all of the pages (there are 2). Lyx burbles a little, and then
spits the error message at me:
 error converting to loadable format. The file was prepared by a friend on
Windows from a  Sibelius music notation file.

If I examine the pdf file properties  I see the following:
Format PDF-1.4
Producer GPL Ghostscript 8.70
Creator PDFCreator Version 0.9.9

What might be going wrong?


I'm using Komascript Book under lyx 1.6.4 on ubuntu 9.04.

Richard

Re: PDF error converting to loadable format

[Stephen Buonopane]

On Mar 22, 2010, at 11:52 AM, Richard Brown wrote:


I do > Insert External Files > PDF and select my pdf. I add the pages
options for all of the pages (there are 2). Lyx burbles a little,  
and then

spits the error message at me:
error converting to loadable format. The file was prepared by a  
friend on

Windows from a  Sibelius music notation file.

If I examine the pdf file properties  I see the following:
Format PDF-1.4
Producer GPL Ghostscript 8.70
Creator PDFCreator Version 0.9.9


Export to PDF should work fine, it is just the preview.
If you have ghostscript version 8.70, then the issue is a bug in gs.
Here is a workaround from a previous post

This seems to be a result of the bug reported here
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/imagemagick/+bug/487637

Copy the script convertDefault.py from /Applications/LyX.app/Contents/ 
Resources/scripts


Comment out the lines
if sys.argv[1][:4] == 'pdf:' and (version >= 0x060206 or gm):
opts = '-define pdf:use-cropbox=true ' + opts

On a Mac, the script goes in
/Users/username/Library/Application\ Support/LyX-1.6/scripts 

Document style for multiple levels of sub-headings?

[Tim Wescott]

I'm a Lyx newbie, and it's been ages since I've used LaTeX.

I want to start learning by translating a document from OpenOffice.

But the document I want to start with uses four levels of sub-headings.  
In fact, my standard "whip out a document" technique usually runs to 
this number of sub-headings.  It may not be pretty, but it's fast and 
the document organization is obvious.


Is there a "report" style of document out there that supports multiple 
sub-headings, and may otherwise be a suitable start for what I'm trying 
to do?


Thanks.

--
Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
Voice: 503-631-7815
Cell:  503-349-8432
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Re: Odd Notation Typesetting

[Rich Shepard]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010, TheOldFellow wrote:


I want to typeset some psalms with an odd 'pointing'.  Pointing is a
system of marks placed above the words to indicate how the chanter changes
pitch.  If you imagine the TeX /nearrow glyph and change the arrow head to
a degree symbol you'll get the idea.  There are other marks too.  I can't
change the notation, it's traditional.


  Have you looked at The Comprehensive LaTeX Symbol List? I can send the pdf
to you off the list if you cannot find it.

Rich

Re: PDF error converting to loadable format

[Kamran SHAFQAT]

On 22/03/2010 15:52, Richard Brown wrote:

  External Files>  PDF and select my pdf. I add the pages
options for all of the pages (there are 2). Lyx burbles a little, and then
spits the error message at me:
  error converting to loadable format. The file was prepared by a friend on
Windows from a  Sibelius music notation file.

If I examine the pdf file properties  I see the following:
Format PDF-1.4
Producer GPL Ghostscript 8.70
Creator PDFCreator Version 0.9.9

What might be going wrong?


I'm using Komascript Book under lyx 1.6.4 on ubuntu 9.04.
   
Try putting the pdf file in the temp. folder of your lyx file. Long time 
ago I found from the mailing list that lyx doesn't copy the pdf file 
into the temp. directory automatically therefore you get an error. I 
don't know if there was some other fix to this but I just copy the pdf  
file that I want to attach manually in the temp. folder and this works.


Regards,

Kamran

Re: PDF error converting to loadable format

[Richard Brown]

Thanks for this. By following your instructions I managed to a) see the pdf
in lyx on screen and b) generate a DVI file. But the  place where the pdf
should be is empty. If however I c) try to generate a pdf from pdflatex, lyx
just goes into an endless loop, from which I can only exit by forcing a
program quit.

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Stephen Buonopane <
stephen.buonop...@bucknell.edu> wrote:

>
>
> This seems to be a result of the bug reported here
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/imagemagick/+bug/487637
>
> Copy the script convertDefault.py from
> /Applications/LyX.app/Contents/Resources/scripts
>
> Comment out the lines
> if sys.argv[1][:4] == 'pdf:' and (version >= 0x060206 or gm):
> opts = '-define pdf:use-cropbox=true ' + opts
>
> On a Mac, the script goes in
> /Users/username/Library/Application\ Support/LyX-1.6/scripts

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Guenter Milde]

On 2010-03-22, Walter van Holst wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 02:23:34 +0100, Jose Quesada 
> wrote:


>> 7. the rest of the world operates on rich text/html. LyX doesn't
>>(clipboard integration is poor, copy-pasting from/to web loses
>>formatting)

> Actuall, I prefer the current default of losing formatting. The whole
> point of LyX is that you focus on structure and content and have LaTeX
> take
> care of formatting. The rest of the world operates on a fundamentally
> braindead paradigm and if I wanted to use that paradigm I'd be a happy OOo
> camper. Which I am not.

Sorry, but HTML has (or can be used for) a semantic markup in a quite
comparable way. So, keeping sections, links, emphasized text, quotes,
... *as an option* would be an enhancement.

Günter

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Steve Litt]

On Monday 22 March 2010 08:51:55 Walter van Holst wrote:
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: things that I miss in lyx
> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:51:24 +0100
> From: Walter van Holst 
> To: Jose Quesada 
> 
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 02:23:34 +0100, Jose Quesada 
> 
> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > In no special order, things that I miss in lyx...
> >
> > 1. incremental search
> >
> > 2. sentence autocapitalization
> 
> As others have written, NO! IN THE NAME OF EVERYTHING THAT IS HOLY, DON'T!

++
> 
> > 3. grammar check (not crucial)
[clip] 
> > 4. search highlight occurences
[clip]
> > 7. the rest of the world operates on rich text/html. LyX doesn't
> 
> (clipboard
> 
> > integration is poor, copy-pasting from/to web loses formatting)
> 
> Actuall, I prefer the current default of losing formatting. The whole
> point of LyX is that you focus on structure and content and have LaTeX
> take
> care of formatting. The rest of the world operates on a fundamentally
> braindead paradigm and if I wanted to use that paradigm I'd be a happy OOo
> camper. Which I am not.
+=65535

What could be grosser than having the source's fingerpainting auto-inserted in 
your styles-based LyX doc?

I'd like to take a second to back up a couple levels of abstraction, from 
features to priorities. My priorities in LyX are:

* Ability to write long documents fast and easily
* Styles based authoring

Believe it or not, aesthetic typesetting isn't one of my priorities. My books 
written in WordPerfect 5.1 and MS Word were easily good enough when it came to 
typesetting. After all, my books are a mail order product.

If I wanted to write short docs I'd use Abiword or OpenOffice, kompozer or 
Vim. If I didn't care about styles based authoring I'd use OpenOffice.

I think priorities determine the need for features. Given my priorities, 
character styles was far and away the best feature addition in the last 10 
years. Another great feature is LyX's ability to almost instantly manipulate 
100,000 word documents -- good algorithms implemented right. Outline view was 
a good addition and will be even better when it can be used to add nodes. 
Outline view is a big timesaver. I imagine Layout Modules would be a big 
timesaver but haven't learned to use them yet.

One of the biggest consumers of time when I use LyX is adding and tweaking 
styles, both paragraph (environments) and character. Getting a LyX style to do 
what you want is about 2 orders of magnitude more time consuming than the same 
thing in WP 5.1 or MS Word. That would probably go up to an order of magnitude 
of 3 for a LyX newbie. This can't be helped -- LaTeX is more complex and less 
obvious than WP5.1 or MSWord layout, but it can be addressed through a 
combination of:

1) Documentation
2) Easy to browse and search repository of styles to which we all contribute

Sentence autocapitalization might be somewhat of a time saver if the subject 
matter always has a capital following a period and whitespace. But for code-
rich docs, it would slow you down immensely. As far as special kinds of 
searches, LyX's algorithm design and implementation is so good that you can 
brute force search almost instantly, so what's the need?

This paragraph is my opinion -- your mileage may vary. In my opinion LyX is a 
tool to be used in a very narrow set of circumstances -- long document writing 
where consistency is a priority (hence styles), and good typesetting is a 
priority, and table of contents and indices just work. I'd never use it for a 
poster -- Inkscape does posters better. I'd never use it to create a web page 
-- Kompozer is much better at that (exception: When a whole web subsite must 
have consistency and is the equivalent of a document). I wouldn't use it for a 
five page document -- OpenOffice and AbiWord are much easier for that, whether 
you're doing fingerpainting or limited styles-based. To me, adding features 
like autocap and especially rich/XML paste would be trying to make LyX into a 
tool it's not -- like putting a file on the side of a hammer.

I think the decision of what features to add is all about what one does with 
LyX, and one's priorities in using LyX.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: Fwd: Re: things that I miss in lyx

[Julio Rojas]

The only feature I miss is a layout editor. I don't know how easy
would it be to program one, but that would be one good addition. The
second one I miss, mostly because I'm not a native English speaker, is
online spell checking, but that is coming in 2.0.

Again, I have to give my most sincere thanks to all developers. Lyx is
a wonderful tool even if my WinEdt addict friends at the lab keep
laughing at me for using it. :D
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Steve Litt  wrote:
> On Monday 22 March 2010 08:51:55 Walter van Holst wrote:
>>  Original Message 
>> Subject: Re: things that I miss in lyx
>> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:51:24 +0100
>> From: Walter van Holst 
>> To: Jose Quesada 
>>
>> On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 02:23:34 +0100, Jose Quesada 
>>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > In no special order, things that I miss in lyx...
>> >
>> > 1. incremental search
>> >
>> > 2. sentence autocapitalization
>>
>> As others have written, NO! IN THE NAME OF EVERYTHING THAT IS HOLY, DON'T!
>
> ++
>>
>> > 3. grammar check (not crucial)
> [clip]
>> > 4. search highlight occurences
> [clip]
>> > 7. the rest of the world operates on rich text/html. LyX doesn't
>>
>> (clipboard
>>
>> > integration is poor, copy-pasting from/to web loses formatting)
>>
>> Actuall, I prefer the current default of losing formatting. The whole
>> point of LyX is that you focus on structure and content and have LaTeX
>> take
>> care of formatting. The rest of the world operates on a fundamentally
>> braindead paradigm and if I wanted to use that paradigm I'd be a happy OOo
>> camper. Which I am not.
> +=65535
>
> What could be grosser than having the source's fingerpainting auto-inserted in
> your styles-based LyX doc?
>
> I'd like to take a second to back up a couple levels of abstraction, from
> features to priorities. My priorities in LyX are:
>
> * Ability to write long documents fast and easily
> * Styles based authoring
>
> Believe it or not, aesthetic typesetting isn't one of my priorities. My books
> written in WordPerfect 5.1 and MS Word were easily good enough when it came to
> typesetting. After all, my books are a mail order product.
>
> If I wanted to write short docs I'd use Abiword or OpenOffice, kompozer or
> Vim. If I didn't care about styles based authoring I'd use OpenOffice.
>
> I think priorities determine the need for features. Given my priorities,
> character styles was far and away the best feature addition in the last 10
> years. Another great feature is LyX's ability to almost instantly manipulate
> 100,000 word documents -- good algorithms implemented right. Outline view was
> a good addition and will be even better when it can be used to add nodes.
> Outline view is a big timesaver. I imagine Layout Modules would be a big
> timesaver but haven't learned to use them yet.
>
> One of the biggest consumers of time when I use LyX is adding and tweaking
> styles, both paragraph (environments) and character. Getting a LyX style to do
> what you want is about 2 orders of magnitude more time consuming than the same
> thing in WP 5.1 or MS Word. That would probably go up to an order of magnitude
> of 3 for a LyX newbie. This can't be helped -- LaTeX is more complex and less
> obvious than WP5.1 or MSWord layout, but it can be addressed through a
> combination of:
>
> 1) Documentation
> 2) Easy to browse and search repository of styles to which we all contribute
>
> Sentence autocapitalization might be somewhat of a time saver if the subject
> matter always has a capital following a period and whitespace. But for code-
> rich docs, it would slow you down immensely. As far as special kinds of
> searches, LyX's algorithm design and implementation is so good that you can
> brute force search almost instantly, so what's the need?
>
> This paragraph is my opinion -- your mileage may vary. In my opinion LyX is a
> tool to be used in a very narrow set of circumstances -- long document writing
> where consistency is a priority (hence styles), and good typesetting is a
> priority, and table of contents and indices just work. I'd never use it for a
> poster -- Inkscape does posters better. I'd never use it to create a web page
> -- Kompozer is much better at that (exception: When a whole web subsite must
> have consistency and is the equivalent of a document). I wouldn't use it for a
> five page document -- OpenOffice and AbiWord are much easier for that, whether
> you're doing fingerpainting or limited styles-based. To me, adding features
> like autocap and especially rich/XML paste would be trying to make LyX into a
> tool it's not -- like putting a file on the side of a hammer.
>
> I think the decision of what features to add is all about what one does with
> LyX, and one's priorities in using LyX.
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
> Recession Relief