Re: Three running applications?

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

I wouldn't worry about it.

It might be some app running in the background like dropbox for example.  Or, 
it might be a function of iCloud.  I'm really not sure.  But I don't think its 
anything to be alarmed about.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Aug 14, 2012, at 10:32 PM, Veronica Elsea  
wrote:

> Hi Earl.
> When I go into the application chooser, it only shows one application, 
> finder. Hmmm. Where are the other two hiding and where did that third one 
> come from when I didn't change anything, as far as I know? 
> Thanks.
> 
> Veronica
> 
> Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ
> Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at 
> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
> Veronica Elsea, Owner
> Laurel Creek Music Designs
> Santa Cruz, California
> Phone: 831-429-6407
> 
> On Aug 13, 2012, at 2:37 AM, Earle  wrote:
> 
>> If you hit vo-f1 twice you can see the list of currently open apps.  Just 
>> vo-up or down arrow and you can see what all 3 apps are.
>> --
>> Earle
>> 
>> Msn:  peterson...@sympatico.ca
>> 
>> Skype, Twitter, Facebook, and Yahoo:  rowdyamerican
>> 
>> Aim:  rowdyamerican28
>> 
>> On 2012-08-12, at 7:45 PM, Veronica Elsea  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi everyone!
>>> When I'm sitting on my desktop, in the finder and I type VO-F1, it used to 
>>> say two applications running. Then I'd go into the application chooser and 
>>> the finder would be there. Well, now suddenly I have it saying three 
>>> applications running. I'm wondering what in the world that third 
>>> application could be or how I could find out. As far as I know, I haven't 
>>> changed anything.
>>> I did go into my user account and look at the log in tab to see what was 
>>> checked. The only thing checked in there is iTunes helper. I think this has 
>>> always been the case. I'm really puzzled. Any thoughts?
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Veronica
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at 
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI
>>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>>   Veronica Elsea, Owner
>>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>>> Santa Cruz, California
>>> Phone: 831-429-6407
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Re: Exceedingly scary and confounding problem with on-line banking account

[Esther]

Hi Christine,

I read your original post again, and noted the mention of Java, which
is used by some banking sites.  Java is not installed by default under
Mountain Lion, and depending on whether you upgraded or performed a
clean install of ML you may have a version of Java that is not
compatible or needs to have a certificate deleted.  I'm not clear on
the details, because there are accessibility issues with running the
Java preferences application, so I can't easily check by looking at my
own setup. (We had to delete an old certificate for a Blackboard user
on another list, and use mouse keys to move to change the tabs).

One Apple discussion web site reported this recent exchange:
Installed  mountain lion but the web application I use for internet
banking requires java and there does not seem to be an update for java
in OSX ML
Reply:
Type "java" into spotlight. Make sure the check boxes are selected in
the java preferences.

The original poster stated this worked like a charm, but I have no
idea which check boxes are referred to given the accessibility issues
and the fact that I'm still running Lion.  The Spotlight instruction
is the way to launch java preferences.

HTH as a starting point. Cheers,

Esther

On Aug 14, 4:22 pm, Christine Grassman 
wrote:
> I did go into reset Safari, kept checked anything and everything I thought 
> might help -- I did not see reference to emptying caches, cookies, or 
> anything resembling that. I reset top web sites; reset history; unchecked 
> saved names and passwords; I think I left only two or three things unchecked. 
> Still, when I go into my bank's web site, it dumps me as soon as I get to the 
> log-in page, or right after logging in. It is literally the only web site 
> where I have experienced this; I cannot replicate it anywhere else where I 
> must log in. Clearly is something about my computer, though, not the bank, 
> not Safari, not VoiceOver.
> Christine
> P.S. My husband has not upgraded to ML, so that is the one and only 
> difference I can think of.

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Re: Growl in Mountain Lion

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi Brian. I use Growl for Trillion, Skype since it's the only way for you to 
hear if someone wrote you a message, Menuweather, and Itunes via GrowlTunes to 
hear what song is being played.


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Sent from my white Mac Book

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what's the most accessable way to list things on ebay?

[trahern culver]

hey all i have some things i want to list so what's the most
accessable way to list things on ebay?

kind regards trahern.

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Re: Three running applications?

[Veronica Elsea]

Hi Earl.
When I go into the application chooser, it only shows one application, finder. 
Hmmm. Where are the other two hiding and where did that third one come from 
when I didn't change anything, as far as I know? 
Thanks.

Veronica

Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ
Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at 
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407

On Aug 13, 2012, at 2:37 AM, Earle  wrote:

> If you hit vo-f1 twice you can see the list of currently open apps.  Just 
> vo-up or down arrow and you can see what all 3 apps are.
> --
> Earle
> 
> Msn:  peterson...@sympatico.ca
> 
> Skype, Twitter, Facebook, and Yahoo:  rowdyamerican
> 
> Aim:  rowdyamerican28
> 
> On 2012-08-12, at 7:45 PM, Veronica Elsea  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone!
>> When I'm sitting on my desktop, in the finder and I type VO-F1, it used to 
>> say two applications running. Then I'd go into the application chooser and 
>> the finder would be there. Well, now suddenly I have it saying three 
>> applications running. I'm wondering what in the world that third application 
>> could be or how I could find out. As far as I know, I haven't changed 
>> anything.
>> I did go into my user account and look at the log in tab to see what was 
>> checked. The only thing checked in there is iTunes helper. I think this has 
>> always been the case. I'm really puzzled. Any thoughts?
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Veronica
>> 
>> -- 
>> Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at 
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI
>> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at:
>> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
>>Veronica Elsea, Owner
>> Laurel Creek Music Designs
>> Santa Cruz, California
>> Phone: 831-429-6407
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Re: Text edit and icloud

[Veronica Elsea]

Hi there!
Happily, I also figured out that somehow when installing ML, it had changed my 
icloud settings. So once I went in and unchecked documents, as I don't want my 
documents in the cloud, Text edit started behaving nicely again. Yay! No 
opening with the strange wizard and saving defaulted to the documents folder. 
Yippee! Thanks.

Veronica

Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ
Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at 
http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com
Veronica Elsea, Owner
Laurel Creek Music Designs
Santa Cruz, California
Phone: 831-429-6407

On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:19 AM, John Sanfilippo  wrote:

> I think it was Veronica who had a question about text edit wanting to put 
> everything in the cloud.
> 
> I too found this irritating and discovered that:
> 
> 1, You can uncheck the iCloud box in the text edit dialog, and check the 
> local box. Then carry on. I do not know if that remains in effect for the 
> future.
> 
> 2, If you sign out of iCloud then  text edit opens without interruption.
> 
> js
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Re: Exceedingly scary and confounding problem with on-line banking account

[Christine Grassman]

I did go into reset Safari, kept checked anything and everything I thought 
might help -- I did not see reference to emptying caches, cookies, or anything 
resembling that. I reset top web sites; reset history; unchecked saved names 
and passwords; I think I left only two or three things unchecked. Still, when I 
go into my bank's web site, it dumps me as soon as I get to the log-in page, or 
right after logging in. It is literally the only web site where I have 
experienced this; I cannot replicate it anywhere else where I must log in. 
Clearly is something about my computer, though, not the bank, not Safari, not 
VoiceOver. 
Christine
P.S. My husband has not upgraded to ML, so that is the one and only difference 
I can think of.

On Aug 14, 2012, at 10:14 PM, Esther  wrote:

> Hi Christine,
> 
> I'm not at my computer, so I can't check this first, but try going to
> the menu bar (VO-M or Control-F2), right arrow to the Safari menu,
> then arrow down to a "Reset Safari" menu option. I think one of the
> submenu options you can check is to clear or empty the cache when you
> perform the reset.  Only check the options you want to take effect
> with your reset.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Aug 14, 4:00 pm, Christine Grassman 
> wrote:
>> I looked in Safari preferences, and under the Privacy tab, there is 
>> references to which cookies to allow, but I did not see any option for 
>> clearing them. I also cannot locate a general "empty cache" Looked in 
>> Security as well. .
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Re: Exceedingly scary and confounding problem with on-line banking account

[Esther]

Hi Christine,

I'm not at my computer, so I can't check this first, but try going to
the menu bar (VO-M or Control-F2), right arrow to the Safari menu,
then arrow down to a "Reset Safari" menu option. I think one of the
submenu options you can check is to clear or empty the cache when you
perform the reset.  Only check the options you want to take effect
with your reset.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Aug 14, 4:00 pm, Christine Grassman 
wrote:
> I looked in Safari preferences, and under the Privacy tab, there is 
> references to which cookies to allow, but I did not see any option for 
> clearing them. I also cannot locate a general "empty cache" Looked in 
> Security as well. .

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Re: Exceedingly scary and confounding problem with on-line banking account

[Christine Grassman]

I did see that; was worried that this would clear all my saved passwords and 
such.
Christine
On Aug 14, 2012, at 10:11 PM, Dan Eickmeier  wrote:

> Anohter thing you could try, is the Reset safari option, which is found in 
> the safari menu.  In there, you can do things like clear history and other 
> things.  Try that, and then try going to your bank's site again.
> On 2012-08-14, at 10:00 PM, Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
> 
>> I looked in Safari preferences, and under the Privacy tab, there is 
>> references to which cookies to allow, but I did not see any option for 
>> clearing them. I also cannot locate a general "empty cache" Looked in 
>> Security as well. . 
>> On Aug 14, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> The one good answer I can give you is that Cookies and clearing them is 
>>> found in Presences.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Exceedingly scary and confounding problem with on-line banking account

[Dan Eickmeier]

Anohter thing you could try, is the Reset safari option, which is found in the 
safari menu.  In there, you can do things like clear history and other things.  
Try that, and then try going to your bank's site again.
On 2012-08-14, at 10:00 PM, Christine Grassman  wrote:

> I looked in Safari preferences, and under the Privacy tab, there is 
> references to which cookies to allow, but I did not see any option for 
> clearing them. I also cannot locate a general "empty cache" Looked in 
> Security as well. . 
> On Aug 14, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter  
> wrote:
> 
>> The one good answer I can give you is that Cookies and clearing them is 
>> found in Presences.
>> 
>> 
>> • Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>> • AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
>> • MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
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Re: Preview Pane in Mac Mail (Mountain Lion)

[Alex Hall]

It worked for me, and nothing is marked as read once I arrow over it anymore. 
unfortunately, I can no longer use vo-j, which I wouldn't mind if cmd-o didn't 
read the subject and some other text all over again before reading the message. 
Also, the handy feature, where arrowing would decide in which direction focus 
moved when deleting seems to no longer work either, so focus always moves up. I 
suppose it's a trade-off...
On Aug 13, 2012, at 9:46 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:

> Okay, strange but true.  We are close on this one.  Using standard view in 
> Mac Mail Mountain Lion I have been able to get the vertical bar to collapse.  
> This doesn't, however, prevent the entire message from being read.  Any other 
> thoughts?
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
> On 2012-08-13, at 11:14 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Try the following.
>> 
>> 1.  Removing the Preview Pane in Classic layout:
>> 
>> • Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter that is to the right of the Messages 
>> table.
>> • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if needed).  This will bring the mouse to the VO 
>> cursor and announce where the mouse is and it should read "Horizontal 
>> Splitter".
>> • Double-click on your Trackpad or alternatively, you can press near the top 
>> of the Trackpad and drag to the bottom.  Make sure in this case that you 
>> actually make the Trackpad button depress so that the drag action will work.
>> 
>> 2.  Removing the Preview Pane for non-Classic layout:
>> 
>> • Navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages Column 
>> Group.
>> • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if necessary) to bring the mouse to the VO cursor. 
>>  It will announce Vertical Splitter if it did what it was supposed to do.
>> • Double-click on the Trackpad or alternatively, put your finger near the 
>> left hand side of the Trackpad, then drag to the far right and release.  As 
>> in the first case, make sure that you depress the Trackpad button so that 
>> the dragging process will occur.
>> 
>> Note that in the Classic layout, you are dealing with a Horizontal Splitter 
>> and in the non-Classic layout, you are dealing with a Vertical Splitter. 
>> Each case requires a different dragging direction if you choose that option.
>> 
>> There are a couple of ways of determining if it worked.  Firstly, you can 
>> navigate around the Mail screen and if you don't hear anything about 
>> "Message Content Area", life is good.
>> 
>> The second method is a little more complicated but tells you for sure.  In 
>> Classic layout, navigate to the Horizontal Splitter to the right of the "New 
>> Mailbox Action" menu.  You'll notice two Horizontal splitters, one after the 
>> Messages Table and this one that I'm talking about.  Once you've located 
>> this Horizontal Splitter, Interact with it and press VO-down.  Vo will 
>> announce "Collapsed" which is what you want to hear.  In non-Classic layout, 
>> navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages Column 
>> Group and Interact with it.  Press VO-right and VO will announce "Collapsed" 
>> if the Preview pane is gone.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On 2012-08-12, at 7:16 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for the tip.  However, I'm still not getting anyt=where.  The 
>>> horizontal bar, according to my mother-in-law, controls a pane on the left 
>>> which has the list of mailboxes.  The vertical bar seemingly does nothing.  
>>> Any other tips?
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> On 2012-08-12, at 7:43 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 You need to do a physical mouse click on the bar with your trackpad with 
 trackpad commander turned off or, with a mouse.
 
 hth
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Aug 12, 2012, at 7:02 PM, Jeff Berwick  
 wrote:
 
> Hi all,
> 
> I know this has been covered, but I had already accomplished this in Lion 
> and, when I upgraded to ML, it just worked.  Now I have purchased a new 
> computer and get get rid of the preview pane.  What am I missing?
> 
> I go to the Mail program and go over to the horizontal bar and interact.  
> I then set the percentage to 0% but it doesn't seem to go away.  Any 
> other tips?
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
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Re: Exceedingly scary and confounding problem with on-line banking account

[Christine Grassman]

I looked in Safari preferences, and under the Privacy tab, there is references 
to which cookies to allow, but I did not see any option for clearing them. I 
also cannot locate a general "empty cache" Looked in Security as well. . 
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wrote:

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> in Presences.
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Re: Exceedingly scary and confounding problem with on-line banking account

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

The one good answer I can give you is that Cookies and clearing them is found 
in Presences.


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Exceedingly scary and confounding problem with on-line banking account

[Christine Grassman]

Since upgrading to ML, I have paid some bills with my on-line banking site with 
no problems whatsoever.  Today, though I was able to log on successfully 
multiple times, as soon as I attempted to do *anything* on the site, I was 
thrown off, and a "problem report" came up. When I tried to quit out of Safari 
and go back in again, there was the banking site, with the log-in page, waiting 
for my information again. 
I first closed all windows and tried again. No luck. I rebooted and tried 
again. No luck. I called my bank to ensure that no one besides me was 
attempting to log in. They said my log-ins were being recorded, and that only 
one IP address was recorded. Phew! 
I was then told to go in Security, uncheck Java script, but check Java, and 
uncheck "allow plug-ins". Then I was told to go to "empty cache" -- but I could 
not find this animal.  The bank's tech rep said it should be the seventh choice 
down in the Safari menu, but I did not find it.  The only thing I could find 
was "clear history" -- but could not find cookies, or clearing cache, etc., 
When I logged onto the account on my husband's Mac, all went fine. But no such 
luck on mine. What is going on? Any ideas?
Is it okay to leave the Java, java script, and plug-ins as suggested by the 
bank rep, or should I return to default settings to avoid problems on other 
sites?

Christine

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Re: Please explain disclosure triangles

[Mary Scott]

This is so super.  Thank you.  My son spent time with me today and helped me so 
much.  I discovered that my biggest issue with opening files is that I did not 
realize how long I had to wait before the file actually opened.  I tend to be 
impatient and my son just kept telling me to wait and let the computer do what 
it needs to do.  So if there are impatient souls out there, waiting is good 
advice.He also fixed my iTunes by completely recreating it.  It was very 
messed up.  It was not me
.  I was beginning to think I was a moron.  Mel  On Aug 14, 2012, at 10:08 AM, 
Chris Blouch  wrote:

> If you are in the finder in list view each folder will read
> 
> FolderName Collapsed
> 
> or
> 
> FolderName Expanded
> 
> You can use plain old up/down to go up and down the tree and then right left 
> to expand/collapse the folder. Once expanded, up/down will include all the 
> child files/folders. If you are focused on a child and hit left it will jump 
> you back to the parent. If you are on the parent and hit left again it will 
> collapse. If you have a child folder expanded and you collapse its parent, if 
> you later re-expand the parent the child folder will also still be expanded. 
> In other words it puts things back the way you left them. As you probably 
> noticed, when you expand a folder it tells you how many items were revealed 
> (added) to the list.
> 
> Tree views are a great way to organize information so you can drill down 
> quickly to the stuff you care about and ignore the rest. Note that all this 
> arrowing around in trees is not specific to voiceover so anyone can do the 
> same keyboard navigation.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 8/14/12 9:35 AM, Mary Scott wrote:
>> I do not hear the word "plus" or "minus".  How do I click on it?  Sorry for 
>> silly question.
>> On Aug 13, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Chris  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey at least we do not get those stupid balloons on the mac yea!
>>> 
>>> On 13/08/2012 17:36, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
 It's more like those stupid balloons that would pop up that said things 
 like, "You have updates for your computer waiting to be downloaded; click 
 this balloon for more details." Except that it's nothing like that because 
 these are accessible, NOT annoying and … just better.
 
 
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Re: Preview Pane in Mac Mail (Mountain Lion)

[Jeff Berwick]

Where might I find that setting?

Jeff

On 2012-08-14, at 7:49 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:

> Did you make sure that the number of preview lines is 0? Very strange!
> Best,
> 
> Ioana
> 
> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
> stores.
> 
> On Aug 14, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
>> Yes, the messages are read while cursing through and I do have a horizontal 
>> bar immediately following the collapsed vertical bar.
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jeff
>> 
>> On 2012-08-14, at 1:24 AM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,. 
>>> 
>>> When are those messages being red? As you arrow through them?. 
>>> Have to ask again, sorry, did you double check that after the collapsed 
>>> vertical splitter there follows a horizontal one?. 
>>> Good luck with solving this issue!. 
>>> 
>>> Best,. 
>>> 
>>> Ioana 
>>> 
>>> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com, on iTunes or most online 
>>> stores.
>>> Sent from my phone
>>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2012, at 9:46 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>>> 
 Okay, strange but true.  We are close on this one.  Using standard view in 
 Mac Mail Mountain Lion I have been able to get the vertical bar to 
 collapse.  This doesn't, however, prevent the entire message from being 
 read.  Any other thoughts?
 
 Thx,
 Jeff
 
 On 2012-08-13, at 11:14 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> Try the following.
> 
> 1.  Removing the Preview Pane in Classic layout:
> 
> • Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter that is to the right of the 
> Messages table.
> • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if needed).  This will bring the mouse to the 
> VO cursor and announce where the mouse is and it should read "Horizontal 
> Splitter".
> • Double-click on your Trackpad or alternatively, you can press near the 
> top of the Trackpad and drag to the bottom.  Make sure in this case that 
> you actually make the Trackpad button depress so that the drag action 
> will work.
> 
> 2.  Removing the Preview Pane for non-Classic layout:
> 
> • Navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages 
> Column Group.
> • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if necessary) to bring the mouse to the VO 
> cursor.  It will announce Vertical Splitter if it did what it was 
> supposed to do.
> • Double-click on the Trackpad or alternatively, put your finger near the 
> left hand side of the Trackpad, then drag to the far right and release.  
> As in the first case, make sure that you depress the Trackpad button so 
> that the dragging process will occur.
> 
> Note that in the Classic layout, you are dealing with a Horizontal 
> Splitter and in the non-Classic layout, you are dealing with a Vertical 
> Splitter. Each case requires a different dragging direction if you choose 
> that option.
> 
> There are a couple of ways of determining if it worked.  Firstly, you can 
> navigate around the Mail screen and if you don't hear anything about 
> "Message Content Area", life is good.
> 
> The second method is a little more complicated but tells you for sure.  
> In Classic layout, navigate to the Horizontal Splitter to the right of 
> the "New Mailbox Action" menu.  You'll notice two Horizontal splitters, 
> one after the Messages Table and this one that I'm talking about.  Once 
> you've located this Horizontal Splitter, Interact with it and press 
> VO-down.  Vo will announce "Collapsed" which is what you want to hear.  
> In non-Classic layout, navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the 
> right of the Messages Column Group and Interact with it.  Press VO-right 
> and VO will announce "Collapsed" if the Preview pane is gone.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2012-08-12, at 7:16 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for the tip.  However, I'm still not getting anyt=where.  The 
>> horizontal bar, according to my mother-in-law, controls a pane on the 
>> left which has the list of mailboxes.  The vertical bar seemingly does 
>> nothing.  Any other tips?
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jeff
>> 
>> On 2012-08-12, at 7:43 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> You need to do a physical mouse click on the bar with your trackpad 
>>> with trackpad commander turned off or, with a mouse.
>>> 
>>> hth
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
>>> On Aug 12, 2012, at 7:02 PM, Jeff Berwick  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 
 I know this has been covered, but I had already accomplished this in 
 Lion and, when I upgraded to ML, it just worked.  Now I have purchased 
 a new computer and get get rid of the preview pane.  What am

Re: Preview Pane in Mac Mail (Mountain Lion)

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Did you make sure that the number of preview lines is 0? Very strange!
Best,

Ioana

Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
stores.

On Aug 14, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:

> Yes, the messages are read while cursing through and I do have a horizontal 
> bar immediately following the collapsed vertical bar.
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
> On 2012-08-14, at 1:24 AM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,. 
>> 
>> When are those messages being red? As you arrow through them?. 
>> Have to ask again, sorry, did you double check that after the collapsed 
>> vertical splitter there follows a horizontal one?. 
>> Good luck with solving this issue!. 
>> 
>> Best,. 
>> 
>> Ioana 
>> 
>> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com, on iTunes or most online 
>> stores.
>> Sent from my phone
>> 
>> On Aug 13, 2012, at 9:46 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>> 
>>> Okay, strange but true.  We are close on this one.  Using standard view in 
>>> Mac Mail Mountain Lion I have been able to get the vertical bar to 
>>> collapse.  This doesn't, however, prevent the entire message from being 
>>> read.  Any other thoughts?
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> On 2012-08-13, at 11:14 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 Try the following.
 
 1.  Removing the Preview Pane in Classic layout:
 
 • Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter that is to the right of the Messages 
 table.
 • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if needed).  This will bring the mouse to the VO 
 cursor and announce where the mouse is and it should read "Horizontal 
 Splitter".
 • Double-click on your Trackpad or alternatively, you can press near the 
 top of the Trackpad and drag to the bottom.  Make sure in this case that 
 you actually make the Trackpad button depress so that the drag action will 
 work.
 
 2.  Removing the Preview Pane for non-Classic layout:
 
 • Navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages 
 Column Group.
 • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if necessary) to bring the mouse to the VO 
 cursor.  It will announce Vertical Splitter if it did what it was supposed 
 to do.
 • Double-click on the Trackpad or alternatively, put your finger near the 
 left hand side of the Trackpad, then drag to the far right and release.  
 As in the first case, make sure that you depress the Trackpad button so 
 that the dragging process will occur.
 
 Note that in the Classic layout, you are dealing with a Horizontal 
 Splitter and in the non-Classic layout, you are dealing with a Vertical 
 Splitter. Each case requires a different dragging direction if you choose 
 that option.
 
 There are a couple of ways of determining if it worked.  Firstly, you can 
 navigate around the Mail screen and if you don't hear anything about 
 "Message Content Area", life is good.
 
 The second method is a little more complicated but tells you for sure.  In 
 Classic layout, navigate to the Horizontal Splitter to the right of the 
 "New Mailbox Action" menu.  You'll notice two Horizontal splitters, one 
 after the Messages Table and this one that I'm talking about.  Once you've 
 located this Horizontal Splitter, Interact with it and press VO-down.  Vo 
 will announce "Collapsed" which is what you want to hear.  In non-Classic 
 layout, navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the 
 Messages Column Group and Interact with it.  Press VO-right and VO will 
 announce "Collapsed" if the Preview pane is gone.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2012-08-12, at 7:16 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
 
> Thanks for the tip.  However, I'm still not getting anyt=where.  The 
> horizontal bar, according to my mother-in-law, controls a pane on the 
> left which has the list of mailboxes.  The vertical bar seemingly does 
> nothing.  Any other tips?
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
> On 2012-08-12, at 7:43 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You need to do a physical mouse click on the bar with your trackpad with 
>> trackpad commander turned off or, with a mouse.
>> 
>> hth
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Aug 12, 2012, at 7:02 PM, Jeff Berwick  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I know this has been covered, but I had already accomplished this in 
>>> Lion and, when I upgraded to ML, it just worked.  Now I have purchased 
>>> a new computer and get get rid of the preview pane.  What am I missing?
>>> 
>>> I go to the Mail program and go over to the horizontal bar and 
>>> interact.  I then set the percentage to 0% but it doesn't seem to go 
>>> away.  Any other tips?
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> J

Re: Preview Pane in Mac Mail (Mountain Lion)

[Jeff Berwick]

Yes, the messages are read while cursing through and I do have a horizontal bar 
immediately following the collapsed vertical bar.

Thx,
Jeff

On 2012-08-14, at 1:24 AM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:

> Hi,. 
> 
> When are those messages being red? As you arrow through them?. 
> Have to ask again, sorry, did you double check that after the collapsed 
> vertical splitter there follows a horizontal one?. 
> Good luck with solving this issue!. 
> 
> Best,. 
> 
> Ioana 
> 
> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com, on iTunes or most online 
> stores.
> Sent from my phone
> 
> On Aug 13, 2012, at 9:46 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
>> Okay, strange but true.  We are close on this one.  Using standard view in 
>> Mac Mail Mountain Lion I have been able to get the vertical bar to collapse. 
>>  This doesn't, however, prevent the entire message from being read.  Any 
>> other thoughts?
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jeff
>> 
>> On 2012-08-13, at 11:14 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Try the following.
>>> 
>>> 1.  Removing the Preview Pane in Classic layout:
>>> 
>>> • Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter that is to the right of the Messages 
>>> table.
>>> • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if needed).  This will bring the mouse to the VO 
>>> cursor and announce where the mouse is and it should read "Horizontal 
>>> Splitter".
>>> • Double-click on your Trackpad or alternatively, you can press near the 
>>> top of the Trackpad and drag to the bottom.  Make sure in this case that 
>>> you actually make the Trackpad button depress so that the drag action will 
>>> work.
>>> 
>>> 2.  Removing the Preview Pane for non-Classic layout:
>>> 
>>> • Navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages 
>>> Column Group.
>>> • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if necessary) to bring the mouse to the VO 
>>> cursor.  It will announce Vertical Splitter if it did what it was supposed 
>>> to do.
>>> • Double-click on the Trackpad or alternatively, put your finger near the 
>>> left hand side of the Trackpad, then drag to the far right and release.  As 
>>> in the first case, make sure that you depress the Trackpad button so that 
>>> the dragging process will occur.
>>> 
>>> Note that in the Classic layout, you are dealing with a Horizontal Splitter 
>>> and in the non-Classic layout, you are dealing with a Vertical Splitter. 
>>> Each case requires a different dragging direction if you choose that option.
>>> 
>>> There are a couple of ways of determining if it worked.  Firstly, you can 
>>> navigate around the Mail screen and if you don't hear anything about 
>>> "Message Content Area", life is good.
>>> 
>>> The second method is a little more complicated but tells you for sure.  In 
>>> Classic layout, navigate to the Horizontal Splitter to the right of the 
>>> "New Mailbox Action" menu.  You'll notice two Horizontal splitters, one 
>>> after the Messages Table and this one that I'm talking about.  Once you've 
>>> located this Horizontal Splitter, Interact with it and press VO-down.  Vo 
>>> will announce "Collapsed" which is what you want to hear.  In non-Classic 
>>> layout, navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages 
>>> Column Group and Interact with it.  Press VO-right and VO will announce 
>>> "Collapsed" if the Preview pane is gone.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On 2012-08-12, at 7:16 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks for the tip.  However, I'm still not getting anyt=where.  The 
 horizontal bar, according to my mother-in-law, controls a pane on the left 
 which has the list of mailboxes.  The vertical bar seemingly does nothing. 
  Any other tips?
 
 Thx,
 Jeff
 
 On 2012-08-12, at 7:43 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> You need to do a physical mouse click on the bar with your trackpad with 
> trackpad commander turned off or, with a mouse.
> 
> hth
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Aug 12, 2012, at 7:02 PM, Jeff Berwick  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I know this has been covered, but I had already accomplished this in 
>> Lion and, when I upgraded to ML, it just worked.  Now I have purchased a 
>> new computer and get get rid of the preview pane.  What am I missing?
>> 
>> I go to the Mail program and go over to the horizontal bar and interact. 
>>  I then set the percentage to 0% but it doesn't seem to go away.  Any 
>> other tips?
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jeff
>> 
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Mail hanging up when view bye conversation checked

[Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.]

My mail program goes busy for a while when I'm viewing messages with view my 
conversation checked.

This doesn't seem to happen under any other viewing options.

I have four gigs of Ram, and am running VMWare fusion.

Any thoughts?
Antonio

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RE: Growl in Mountain Lion

[Missy Hoppe]

I love growl for dropbox notifications. I don't use it for much else at this 
point since Pianopub seems to be broken, but it
can be used for all kinds of neat things. I'm sure others can be of more 
assistance, but once you get it set up the way you
want, Growl is awesome. I was having trouble getting the paid version to work 
under mountain lion, so I just went back to the
last free version. It might not be as fancy, but it does what I need it to do. 
Good luck, and I hope this helps a little.
Missy

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Brian Fischler
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 2:35 PM
To: MacVisionaries
Subject: Growl in Mountain Lion

Hey all,

I have never used Growl before and have been reading through all the threads on 
it to get a better understanding, but still
am not sure what the whole point of it is. I was surprised to learn that Growl 
is installed on my system, as I don't recall
ever installing as saw that you had to buy it in the app store. Is the paid 
version more advanced?
What do people use Growl for? I do not need to be notified of incoming mail 
messages as I am constantly checking my mail, but
would love to get notified of when certain friends tweet or post to Facebook. 
Does Growl work with Menu Tab or Night Owl? I
did see Night Owl in the applications for Growl in my system preferences, but 
again am not sure what it does. I was also
surprised to learn that all of my applications were enabled, but I never get 
any kind of notifications.
I did read something about turning speech on, so maybe this whole time I have 
had little Growl messages popping up but never
saying anything.
Thanks for any help.

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Re: multiple messages from macvisionaries group

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hi,

Just a quick update that the advanced imap controls that allow you to choose 
what to synchronize is now a main feature of mail settings. No need to look for 
it in labs. I did have to ask my husband for help since I could not locate the 
show and hide labels in imap in the basic html google site.
I chose to not synchronize the all mail folder.

I was however able to set filters in gmail in basic html site.
My personal setup is a filter directly in gmail to apply macvisionaries labile 
to messages sent to that address. I think I told gmail to skip inbox to avoid 
duplicates.

Hope this helps,

Ioana
Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
stores.

On Aug 14, 2012, at 1:04 PM, Harry Hogue  wrote:

> Hi, guys,
> 
> Here is the original article I used to fix my mail issue.  I did notice a 
> message from the Mac Visionaries group slipped through to my main mailbox 
> just this morning, but other than that I cannot remember having any issues, 
> and I don't seem to have missed any messages.  Note that this article is a 
> couple of years old, but I followed the instructions with little difficulty.
> The article:  
> http://echeng.com/journal/2010/09/23/preventing-duplicate-gmail-imap-messages-in-mail-app/
> 
> I hope this helps someone.
> 
> Harry
> 
> On Aug 14, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Teresa Cochran  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi, Brian,
>> 
>> In Gmail, you can first set up labels and then set up filters to allow 
>> messages to be sorted by these labels. However, this requires a lot of 
>> website navigation. You can do this from any computer using any platform.
>> 
>> In Mac Mail, you would first create new mailboxes from the mailboxes menu. 
>> Then, in Mail Preferences, which can be reached from the Mail Menu inside 
>> the app, or by pressing command-comma, you would go to the rules button and 
>> set up message rules this way.
>> 
>> If you need further instruction, depending on which way you want to 
>> accomplish this, I'd be happy to help.
>> 
>> HtH,
>> Teresa
>> 
>> On Aug 14, 2012, at 7:21 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Would be great if someone could post how they set everything up in
>>> gmail or mail, as I am still coming to the group and using auto
>>> webspots to navigate. Would love to get the group thread through mail,
>>> but not in my main mailbox Thanks
>>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 5:31 pm, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
 Hello Iona,
 
 I am so puzzled about this because since upgrading to Mountain Lion, I get 
 these duplicate messages in macvisionaries group as well as the iPhone 
 group. This did not happen before the upgrade. I did not think labels 
 would be a problem but I have removed them anyway in case, especially that 
 Harry suggested it and it had a positive effect for him. I have been 
 looking for a clue in my gmail setting but I haven't found anything so far.
 
 Best wishes
 
 Andrew
 On 13 Aug 2012, at 22:05, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
> Hi,
 
> It would be interesting to check what settings do using Gmail. I also use 
> labels in Gmail and never received any duplicates of the messages in my 
> inbox. Good luck
> Ioana
> Please check out my cd onwww.ioanagandrabur.comon iTunes and most online 
> stores.
 
> On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:03 PM, Andrew Lamanche  
> wrote:
 
>> Hello Everyone,
 
>> I've already asked before about the problem of receiving multiple copies 
>> of messages from macvisionaries group. Harry has offered me suggestions 
>> to do with labels in gmail (which is the mail provider for me) but they 
>> haven't sold the problem. I vaguely seem to remember that I had the same 
>> issue under Lion but I can't remember how I had solved it then. I seem 
>> to receive two copies of each message in my inbox. Please help if you 
>> have any ideas.
 
>> With best wishes and thanks
 
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Growl in Mountain Lion

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

I have never used Growl before and have been reading through all the
threads on it to get a better understanding, but still am not sure
what the whole point of it is. I was surprised to learn that Growl is
installed on my system, as I don't recall ever installing as saw that
you had to buy it in the app store. Is the paid version more advanced?
What do people use Growl for? I do not need to be notified of incoming
mail messages as I am constantly checking my mail, but would love to
get notified of when certain friends tweet or post to Facebook. Does
Growl work with Menu Tab or Night Owl? I did see Night Owl in the
applications for Growl in my system preferences, but again am not sure
what it does. I was also surprised to learn that all of my
applications were enabled, but I never get any kind of notifications.
I did read something about turning speech on, so maybe this whole time
I have had little Growl messages popping up but never saying anything.
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workaround was Re: Cannot copy track from shared library to my own computer

[Ioana Gandrabur]

I lost patience and jaust found it in finder on the network and copied it in 
automattically add to itunes.

Best,

Ioana
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On Aug 14, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> If you have Home Sharing turned on for both machines, with the same Apple ID, 
> you'll see the other computer in your Sources List under the Devices section. 
>  If there is no Devices section, then your Home Sharing is either not set up 
> accordingly or there is a network issue.  Once you have focus on the other 
> computer, expand it with VO-back slash, then wait a few seconds for it to 
> populate, and navigate down to the Music Library or Playlist you wish to grab 
> songs from.  You can then either search with the Search field or navigate 
> through the Table to locate the items you wish to transfer.  Once selected, 
> Stop Interacting with the Table and navigate right to the Copy Item button 
> and things will move over.  They will not be placed in any specific playlist, 
> they will simply be copied over to your Music Library and placed in the Music 
> section within your Sources List.  You can subsequently add them to any 
> playlists you wish.  Now, if you had iTunes Match, it can be configured so 
> that whatever is put in a playlist in one computer is automatically put in 
> the same playlist in the second computer.  It is a very cool set up, although 
> one has to be willing to spend the yearly subscription fee to have the iTunes 
> Match service.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2012-08-13, at 6:01 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I remember people saying that there should be a share button to import a 
>> track from one computer to an other that shares the library
>> I made sure that we are signed in with the same apple id and found the track 
>> but could not find a share button. I found the copy item in the shortcut 
>> menu and tried pressing vo space on it or pressing enterI pressed comand v 
>> on my local usic sours but it did not get copied
>> Any help is very appriciated.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ioana
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
>> stores.
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Re: Cannot copy track from shared library to my own computer

[Ioana Gandrabur]

HI Tim,
Thanks for your answer.

Unfortunately I still cannot locate that famous copy button. I see the music in 
question but after the list table with music I want to new playlist. I 
activated the shortcut menu of the track I want to get and found a copy option. 
I pressed it but even after 1 minute it still is not in my library. I checked 
the apple id. IS there a setting on the remote computer that I need to check 
that it allows copying items to an other one?Thanks for your elp in solving 
this mystery.

Best,

Ioana transfer it goes 

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On Aug 14, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> If you have Home Sharing turned on for both machines, with the same Apple ID, 
> you'll see the other computer in your Sources List under the Devices section. 
>  If there is no Devices section, then your Home Sharing is either not set up 
> accordingly or there is a network issue.  Once you have focus on the other 
> computer, expand it with VO-back slash, then wait a few seconds for it to 
> populate, and navigate down to the Music Library or Playlist you wish to grab 
> songs from.  You can then either search with the Search field or navigate 
> through the Table to locate the items you wish to transfer.  Once selected, 
> Stop Interacting with the Table and navigate right to the Copy Item button 
> and things will move over.  They will not be placed in any specific playlist, 
> they will simply be copied over to your Music Library and placed in the Music 
> section within your Sources List.  You can subsequently add them to any 
> playlists you wish.  Now, if you had iTunes Match, it can be configured so 
> that whatever is put in a playlist in one computer is automatically put in 
> the same playlist in the second computer.  It is a very cool set up, although 
> one has to be willing to spend the yearly subscription fee to have the iTunes 
> Match service.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2012-08-13, at 6:01 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I remember people saying that there should be a share button to import a 
>> track from one computer to an other that shares the library
>> I made sure that we are signed in with the same apple id and found the track 
>> but could not find a share button. I found the copy item in the shortcut 
>> menu and tried pressing vo space on it or pressing enterI pressed comand v 
>> on my local usic sours but it did not get copied
>> Any help is very appriciated.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ioana
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
>> stores.
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Re: multiple messages from macvisionaries group

[Andrew Lamanche]

Thanks for the link. I think I have solved the problem. Had to do this by 
resorting to the standard view in gmail which was fiddly but I think I have 
managed to uncheck all the boxes. Removing labels by itself did not help.

thanks again for your generous sharing.

Andrew
On 14 Aug 2012, at 18:04, Harry Hogue  wrote:

> Hi, guys,
> 
> Here is the original article I used to fix my mail issue.  I did notice a 
> message from the Mac Visionaries group slipped through to my main mailbox 
> just this morning, but other than that I cannot remember having any issues, 
> and I don't seem to have missed any messages.  Note that this article is a 
> couple of years old, but I followed the instructions with little difficulty.
> The article:  
> http://echeng.com/journal/2010/09/23/preventing-duplicate-gmail-imap-messages-in-mail-app/
> 
> I hope this helps someone.
> 
> Harry
> 
> On Aug 14, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Teresa Cochran  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi, Brian,
>> 
>> In Gmail, you can first set up labels and then set up filters to allow 
>> messages to be sorted by these labels. However, this requires a lot of 
>> website navigation. You can do this from any computer using any platform.
>> 
>> In Mac Mail, you would first create new mailboxes from the mailboxes menu. 
>> Then, in Mail Preferences, which can be reached from the Mail Menu inside 
>> the app, or by pressing command-comma, you would go to the rules button and 
>> set up message rules this way.
>> 
>> If you need further instruction, depending on which way you want to 
>> accomplish this, I'd be happy to help.
>> 
>> HtH,
>> Teresa
>> 
>> On Aug 14, 2012, at 7:21 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Would be great if someone could post how they set everything up in
>>> gmail or mail, as I am still coming to the group and using auto
>>> webspots to navigate. Would love to get the group thread through mail,
>>> but not in my main mailbox Thanks
>>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 5:31 pm, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
 Hello Iona,
 
 I am so puzzled about this because since upgrading to Mountain Lion, I get 
 these duplicate messages in macvisionaries group as well as the iPhone 
 group. This did not happen before the upgrade. I did not think labels 
 would be a problem but I have removed them anyway in case, especially that 
 Harry suggested it and it had a positive effect for him. I have been 
 looking for a clue in my gmail setting but I haven't found anything so far.
 
 Best wishes
 
 Andrew
 On 13 Aug 2012, at 22:05, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
> Hi,
 
> It would be interesting to check what settings do using Gmail. I also use 
> labels in Gmail and never received any duplicates of the messages in my 
> inbox. Good luck
> Ioana
> Please check out my cd onwww.ioanagandrabur.comon iTunes and most online 
> stores.
 
> On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:03 PM, Andrew Lamanche  
> wrote:
 
>> Hello Everyone,
 
>> I've already asked before about the problem of receiving multiple copies 
>> of messages from macvisionaries group. Harry has offered me suggestions 
>> to do with labels in gmail (which is the mail provider for me) but they 
>> haven't sold the problem. I vaguely seem to remember that I had the same 
>> issue under Lion but I can't remember how I had solved it then. I seem 
>> to receive two copies of each message in my inbox. Please help if you 
>> have any ideas.
 
>> With best wishes and thanks
 
>> Andrew
 
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Re: Easiest Way to Read Bookshare Books in Mountain Lion

[Harry Hogue]

Thanks, Alex, that's helpful.  I've enver used Terminal or thought of going 
about renaming that way -- I'll loook it up.

Harry

On Aug 12, 2012, at 8:10 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Or you might use terminal to batch rename all the files to .zip. After
> all, they are really just zip files with the extension changed, so
> maybe something like:
> cd ~/books
> rename *.bks *.zip
> 
> I don't know if the syntax is right, but that's the idea.
> 
> On 8/12/12, Christine Grassman  wrote:
>> I don't know whether this is only true of the newest additions to bookshare
>> (over the last year or so) but lately when I download bookshare books, no
>> unzipping is required. I just seek out the title and the .xml extension, and
>> it opens in Safari when I hit enter. Is no one else experiencing this?
>> Harry, I know in your case, you are dealing with previously downloaded books
>> which you desire to open. A workaround, if you simply cannot get the
>> unarchiver to work, is to redownload the book you wish to read from your
>> book history.  Hopefully, what I discussed above will then apply, and you
>> will have your xml file all ready to go. Obviously, depending on the number
>> of books you have, this may not be desirable as far as redownloading all of
>> your book history, but you could do it one by one, as needed.
>> 
>> Christine
>> On Aug 12, 2012, at 9:07 PM, Harry Hogue  wrote:
>> 
>>> I simply would just remember where I had been reading and type a keyword
>>> or two.  What I would like to know now is how to associate .bks files with
>>> The Unarchiver, as the checkbox to "Always open with this application," in
>>> "Other…" and selecting the application does not hold, for some reason.
>>> Does anyone knwo why this might be?
>>> 
>>> Harry
>>> 
>>> On Aug 12, 2012, at 4:56 PM, Greg Aikens  wrote:
>>> 
 One way to get around this is to set a web spot at the place you left
 off.  I haven't tried this under ML but in Lion it worked inconsistently
 and often I would forget to set a web spot when I finished reading, but
 it is better than nothing.
 
 -Greg
 On Aug 12, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
> Thanks, Harry. I was wondering if you used Safari. Seems to me that
> means you can't pick up where you left off in a book, right? That would
> be a big drawback, I would think. How do you work around that/
> 
> Mary
> 
> Mary Otten
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Re: multiple messages from macvisionaries group

[Harry Hogue]

Hi, guys,

Here is the original article I used to fix my mail issue.  I did notice a 
message from the Mac Visionaries group slipped through to my main mailbox just 
this morning, but other than that I cannot remember having any issues, and I 
don't seem to have missed any messages.  Note that this article is a couple of 
years old, but I followed the instructions with little difficulty.
The article:  
http://echeng.com/journal/2010/09/23/preventing-duplicate-gmail-imap-messages-in-mail-app/

I hope this helps someone.

Harry

On Aug 14, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Hi, Brian,
> 
> In Gmail, you can first set up labels and then set up filters to allow 
> messages to be sorted by these labels. However, this requires a lot of 
> website navigation. You can do this from any computer using any platform.
> 
> In Mac Mail, you would first create new mailboxes from the mailboxes menu. 
> Then, in Mail Preferences, which can be reached from the Mail Menu inside the 
> app, or by pressing command-comma, you would go to the rules button and set 
> up message rules this way.
> 
> If you need further instruction, depending on which way you want to 
> accomplish this, I'd be happy to help.
> 
> HtH,
> Teresa
> 
> On Aug 14, 2012, at 7:21 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Would be great if someone could post how they set everything up in
>> gmail or mail, as I am still coming to the group and using auto
>> webspots to navigate. Would love to get the group thread through mail,
>> but not in my main mailbox Thanks
>> 
>> On Aug 13, 5:31 pm, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>>> Hello Iona,
>>> 
>>> I am so puzzled about this because since upgrading to Mountain Lion, I get 
>>> these duplicate messages in macvisionaries group as well as the iPhone 
>>> group. This did not happen before the upgrade. I did not think labels would 
>>> be a problem but I have removed them anyway in case, especially that Harry 
>>> suggested it and it had a positive effect for him. I have been looking for 
>>> a clue in my gmail setting but I haven't found anything so far.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>> On 13 Aug 2012, at 22:05, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 Hi,
>>> 
 It would be interesting to check what settings do using Gmail. I also use 
 labels in Gmail and never received any duplicates of the messages in my 
 inbox. Good luck
 Ioana
 Please check out my cd onwww.ioanagandrabur.comon iTunes and most online 
 stores.
>>> 
 On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:03 PM, Andrew Lamanche  
 wrote:
>>> 
> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
> I've already asked before about the problem of receiving multiple copies 
> of messages from macvisionaries group. Harry has offered me suggestions 
> to do with labels in gmail (which is the mail provider for me) but they 
> haven't sold the problem. I vaguely seem to remember that I had the same 
> issue under Lion but I can't remember how I had solved it then. I seem to 
> receive two copies of each message in my inbox. Please help if you have 
> any ideas.
>>> 
> With best wishes and thanks
>>> 
> Andrew
>>> 
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Re: Calendar Appointments on the Mac and Syncing Google Calendar to iCal

[Harry Hogue]

Now that I have learned to put appointments on my calendar by writing "Meeting 
on 14 August at 15:00," for example, I have found no problems with calendar 
whatsoever.  I do with when adjusting alerts that  we didn't have to keep 
tabbing back to where we were in the event details scroll area, but that's my 
only real complaint.

I've noticed that my iCal events sync with Google Calendar but not my Google 
Calendar to my iCal (the list of holidays, for example, on Google Calendar, do 
not show up on my iCal, but my friend's calendar I share with her show up on 
both of my calendars [Google Cal and iCal]).  Does anyone know why this might 
be?

As concerns seeing a list of appointments in a list, I find that tabbing 
between appointments works very nicely for day, week, or month view, but I've 
not had much luck with the year view.  Has anyone else experienced this?

Harry

On Aug 14, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Chris Moore  wrote:

> That is the thing, the full list is present in the day view.
> 
> I could understand if some of the table and row stuff was actually relevant, 
> but you don't hear iOS reading it all out, and I can't find a way to switch 
> it off.
> On 14 Aug 2012, at 16:52, Steve Holmes  wrote:
> 
>> In a day view like this, wouldn't the list only be events for that
>> given day? I was looking for a list of all available appointments
>> regardless of what day it is.  It would just sort them in
>> chronological order like it does on IOS.
>> 
>> You seem to have a lot of criticisms for the calendar ap.  I don't
>> mind most of it.  I think some of the verbosity you are complaining
>> about may be a good thing for those who might wonder.  What I don't
>> like in so many other situations is someone excluding information from
>> the screen reader or the screen reader arbitrarily excluding
>> information because someone thinks it would matter to us.  I'd rather
>> have it all and allow us ad individuals to turn off some of the extra
>> verbage if we want to.  Sometimes that extra verbosity helps me
>> navigate around in an unfamiliar set of controls for example.
>> 
>> On 8/14/12, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>>> My personal preference would be to use the Reminders app for appointments.
>>> 
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> On Aug 14, 2012, at 7:19 AM, Chris Moore 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 You have to switch to day view to see a list.  Personally I think a list
 view should be added to the toolbar.
 
 I wrote to Apple expressing my disappointment with Calendar and felt it
 should be more intuitive, be more iOS like and require less interacting.
 
 This is my observation of the app as you explore, starting with the
 toolbar:
 
 There is the toolbar which you can interact with. I think another view
 should be added to the calendar view switcher.  I think there should be a
 "List View".  This would make the calendar behave more like iOS.  I also
 think the Today button should be moved to the toolbar as well as a button
 for invitations and for adding a new calendar.
 
 After you stop interacting with the toolbar, there is the vertical
 splitter  (why do we need to care about this? I would rather not hear VO
 announce this.  I can appreciate it is there for when you bring the list
 of calendar types into view.  Perhaps calendar view should actually be
 moved to the view menu at the top of the window.  There could be an entry
 called Calendars, with a sub menu which you can then place a tick against
 the calendar or calendars you which to be be visible such as all
 calendars, home, work, birthdays etc.
 ) After the vertical splitter, VO says "Friday, 10 August 2012, year,
 Calendar area" (this is the date of myself writing this message, and I had
 the year view selected) ). I think it would sound better if VO rad all
 this out as "Today is the 10th of August 2012, Year view is selected".
 
 Next, as long as you do not interact with the calendar area,  there is a
 horizontal splitter, yet again, why does VO even need to know this?
 
 I have my calendar currently set to year view, so let's interact with it
 and explore that.
 
 The first item is the previous year button,  and the next item is the
 today button, should this not say what the current year is? for example
 2012?  No matter which view I use, the today button is always read out
 which is not relevant when in month or year or week view, this should
 behave more like iOS.  .  The next element is next year button.
 
 Next is The 2012 (or whichever year you have selected).  VO tells you this
 is a grid and tells you how many rows and columns there are.  Is this
 relevant? and why do we even need to interact with this grid?  Should it
 not be visible by default?  This is one of my biggest complains about the
 calendar app, there are too many levels to interact with.  Can you imagine
 how popular googl

Re: Calendar Appointments on the Mac

[Chris Moore]

That is the thing, the full list is present in the day view.

I could understand if some of the table and row stuff was actually relevant, 
but you don't hear iOS reading it all out, and I can't find a way to switch it 
off.
On 14 Aug 2012, at 16:52, Steve Holmes  wrote:

> In a day view like this, wouldn't the list only be events for that
> given day? I was looking for a list of all available appointments
> regardless of what day it is.  It would just sort them in
> chronological order like it does on IOS.
> 
> You seem to have a lot of criticisms for the calendar ap.  I don't
> mind most of it.  I think some of the verbosity you are complaining
> about may be a good thing for those who might wonder.  What I don't
> like in so many other situations is someone excluding information from
> the screen reader or the screen reader arbitrarily excluding
> information because someone thinks it would matter to us.  I'd rather
> have it all and allow us ad individuals to turn off some of the extra
> verbage if we want to.  Sometimes that extra verbosity helps me
> navigate around in an unfamiliar set of controls for example.
> 
> On 8/14/12, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>> My personal preference would be to use the Reminders app for appointments.
>> 
>> Teresa
>> 
>> On Aug 14, 2012, at 7:19 AM, Chris Moore 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> You have to switch to day view to see a list.  Personally I think a list
>>> view should be added to the toolbar.
>>> 
>>> I wrote to Apple expressing my disappointment with Calendar and felt it
>>> should be more intuitive, be more iOS like and require less interacting.
>>> 
>>> This is my observation of the app as you explore, starting with the
>>> toolbar:
>>> 
>>> There is the toolbar which you can interact with. I think another view
>>> should be added to the calendar view switcher.  I think there should be a
>>> "List View".  This would make the calendar behave more like iOS.  I also
>>> think the Today button should be moved to the toolbar as well as a button
>>> for invitations and for adding a new calendar.
>>> 
>>> After you stop interacting with the toolbar, there is the vertical
>>> splitter  (why do we need to care about this? I would rather not hear VO
>>> announce this.  I can appreciate it is there for when you bring the list
>>> of calendar types into view.  Perhaps calendar view should actually be
>>> moved to the view menu at the top of the window.  There could be an entry
>>> called Calendars, with a sub menu which you can then place a tick against
>>> the calendar or calendars you which to be be visible such as all
>>> calendars, home, work, birthdays etc.
>>> ) After the vertical splitter, VO says "Friday, 10 August 2012, year,
>>> Calendar area" (this is the date of myself writing this message, and I had
>>> the year view selected) ). I think it would sound better if VO rad all
>>> this out as "Today is the 10th of August 2012, Year view is selected".
>>> 
>>> Next, as long as you do not interact with the calendar area,  there is a
>>> horizontal splitter, yet again, why does VO even need to know this?
>>> 
>>> I have my calendar currently set to year view, so let's interact with it
>>> and explore that.
>>> 
>>> The first item is the previous year button,  and the next item is the
>>> today button, should this not say what the current year is? for example
>>> 2012?  No matter which view I use, the today button is always read out
>>> which is not relevant when in month or year or week view, this should
>>> behave more like iOS.  .  The next element is next year button.
>>> 
>>> Next is The 2012 (or whichever year you have selected).  VO tells you this
>>> is a grid and tells you how many rows and columns there are.  Is this
>>> relevant? and why do we even need to interact with this grid?  Should it
>>> not be visible by default?  This is one of my biggest complains about the
>>> calendar app, there are too many levels to interact with.  Can you imagine
>>> how popular google search would be if you had to follow 6 hyperlinks
>>> before you finally got to the search box?
>>> 
>>> After interacting, I am told by VO that I am on August, and that is the 8
>>> of 12  and lists the number of columns and rows within that month.  Again,
>>> is this relevant? do we really need to know how many rows and columns can
>>> be found inside August? and do I need to be told it is month 8 of 12?
>>> 
>>> Next we have to interact with August to see each of the days.  Now this
>>> bit I think Apple got right, as you don't want to have to listen to every
>>> entry for every month, it is nice being able to skip over months and
>>> simply only interacting with the month you require.
>>> 
>>> Ok, so I have now interacted with the month of August and I am still in
>>> year view. and I move to 14, and VO tells me this is a Tuesday (great as
>>> we never got this in the past) but it also tells me I am on 16 of 42.  Why
>>> is the 16 of 42 relevant?  .  I have an event on the 14th August, but VO
>>> has

Re: Calendar Appointments on the Mac

[Steve Holmes]

In a day view like this, wouldn't the list only be events for that
given day? I was looking for a list of all available appointments
regardless of what day it is.  It would just sort them in
chronological order like it does on IOS.

You seem to have a lot of criticisms for the calendar ap.  I don't
mind most of it.  I think some of the verbosity you are complaining
about may be a good thing for those who might wonder.  What I don't
like in so many other situations is someone excluding information from
the screen reader or the screen reader arbitrarily excluding
information because someone thinks it would matter to us.  I'd rather
have it all and allow us ad individuals to turn off some of the extra
verbage if we want to.  Sometimes that extra verbosity helps me
navigate around in an unfamiliar set of controls for example.

On 8/14/12, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> My personal preference would be to use the Reminders app for appointments.
>
> Teresa
>
> On Aug 14, 2012, at 7:19 AM, Chris Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> You have to switch to day view to see a list.  Personally I think a list
>> view should be added to the toolbar.
>>
>> I wrote to Apple expressing my disappointment with Calendar and felt it
>> should be more intuitive, be more iOS like and require less interacting.
>>
>> This is my observation of the app as you explore, starting with the
>> toolbar:
>>
>> There is the toolbar which you can interact with. I think another view
>> should be added to the calendar view switcher.  I think there should be a
>> "List View".  This would make the calendar behave more like iOS.  I also
>> think the Today button should be moved to the toolbar as well as a button
>> for invitations and for adding a new calendar.
>>
>> After you stop interacting with the toolbar, there is the vertical
>> splitter  (why do we need to care about this? I would rather not hear VO
>> announce this.  I can appreciate it is there for when you bring the list
>> of calendar types into view.  Perhaps calendar view should actually be
>> moved to the view menu at the top of the window.  There could be an entry
>> called Calendars, with a sub menu which you can then place a tick against
>> the calendar or calendars you which to be be visible such as all
>> calendars, home, work, birthdays etc.
>> ) After the vertical splitter, VO says "Friday, 10 August 2012, year,
>> Calendar area" (this is the date of myself writing this message, and I had
>> the year view selected) ). I think it would sound better if VO rad all
>> this out as "Today is the 10th of August 2012, Year view is selected".
>>
>> Next, as long as you do not interact with the calendar area,  there is a
>> horizontal splitter, yet again, why does VO even need to know this?
>>
>> I have my calendar currently set to year view, so let's interact with it
>> and explore that.
>>
>> The first item is the previous year button,  and the next item is the
>> today button, should this not say what the current year is? for example
>> 2012?  No matter which view I use, the today button is always read out
>> which is not relevant when in month or year or week view, this should
>> behave more like iOS.  .  The next element is next year button.
>>
>> Next is The 2012 (or whichever year you have selected).  VO tells you this
>> is a grid and tells you how many rows and columns there are.  Is this
>> relevant? and why do we even need to interact with this grid?  Should it
>> not be visible by default?  This is one of my biggest complains about the
>> calendar app, there are too many levels to interact with.  Can you imagine
>> how popular google search would be if you had to follow 6 hyperlinks
>> before you finally got to the search box?
>>
>> After interacting, I am told by VO that I am on August, and that is the 8
>> of 12  and lists the number of columns and rows within that month.  Again,
>> is this relevant? do we really need to know how many rows and columns can
>> be found inside August? and do I need to be told it is month 8 of 12?
>>
>> Next we have to interact with August to see each of the days.  Now this
>> bit I think Apple got right, as you don't want to have to listen to every
>> entry for every month, it is nice being able to skip over months and
>> simply only interacting with the month you require.
>>
>> Ok, so I have now interacted with the month of August and I am still in
>> year view. and I move to 14, and VO tells me this is a Tuesday (great as
>> we never got this in the past) but it also tells me I am on 16 of 42.  Why
>> is the 16 of 42 relevant?  .  I have an event on the 14th August, but VO
>> has not announced anything about this when I move my VO cursor over the
>> 14th (I am using the VO keys plus arrows left and right to move the VO
>> cursor).   I would like VO to say at least 1 event listed, press VO plus
>> space to view the event.  When I do press VO + space (even though there
>> was no hint to do so) I finally hear a pop up which displays my event, and
>> then I hit esc

Re: Calendar Appointments on the Mac

[Teresa Cochran]

My personal preference would be to use the Reminders app for appointments.

Teresa

On Aug 14, 2012, at 7:19 AM, Chris Moore  wrote:

> You have to switch to day view to see a list.  Personally I think a list view 
> should be added to the toolbar.
> 
> I wrote to Apple expressing my disappointment with Calendar and felt it 
> should be more intuitive, be more iOS like and require less interacting.
> 
> This is my observation of the app as you explore, starting with the toolbar:
> 
> There is the toolbar which you can interact with. I think another view should 
> be added to the calendar view switcher.  I think there should be a "List 
> View".  This would make the calendar behave more like iOS.  I also think the 
> Today button should be moved to the toolbar as well as a button for 
> invitations and for adding a new calendar.
> 
> After you stop interacting with the toolbar, there is the vertical splitter  
> (why do we need to care about this? I would rather not hear VO announce this. 
>  I can appreciate it is there for when you bring the list of calendar types 
> into view.  Perhaps calendar view should actually be moved to the view menu 
> at the top of the window.  There could be an entry called Calendars, with a 
> sub menu which you can then place a tick against the calendar or calendars 
> you which to be be visible such as all calendars, home, work, birthdays etc.
> ) After the vertical splitter, VO says "Friday, 10 August 2012, year, 
> Calendar area" (this is the date of myself writing this message, and I had 
> the year view selected) ). I think it would sound better if VO rad all this 
> out as "Today is the 10th of August 2012, Year view is selected".
> 
> Next, as long as you do not interact with the calendar area,  there is a 
> horizontal splitter, yet again, why does VO even need to know this?
> 
> I have my calendar currently set to year view, so let's interact with it and 
> explore that.
> 
> The first item is the previous year button,  and the next item is the today 
> button, should this not say what the current year is? for example 2012?  No 
> matter which view I use, the today button is always read out which is not 
> relevant when in month or year or week view, this should behave more like 
> iOS.  .  The next element is next year button.
> 
> Next is The 2012 (or whichever year you have selected).  VO tells you this is 
> a grid and tells you how many rows and columns there are.  Is this relevant? 
> and why do we even need to interact with this grid?  Should it not be visible 
> by default?  This is one of my biggest complains about the calendar app, 
> there are too many levels to interact with.  Can you imagine how popular 
> google search would be if you had to follow 6 hyperlinks before you finally 
> got to the search box?
> 
> After interacting, I am told by VO that I am on August, and that is the 8 of 
> 12  and lists the number of columns and rows within that month.  Again, is 
> this relevant? do we really need to know how many rows and columns can be 
> found inside August? and do I need to be told it is month 8 of 12?
> 
> Next we have to interact with August to see each of the days.  Now this bit I 
> think Apple got right, as you don't want to have to listen to every entry for 
> every month, it is nice being able to skip over months and simply only 
> interacting with the month you require.  
> 
> Ok, so I have now interacted with the month of August and I am still in year 
> view. and I move to 14, and VO tells me this is a Tuesday (great as we never 
> got this in the past) but it also tells me I am on 16 of 42.  Why is the 16 
> of 42 relevant?  .  I have an event on the 14th August, but VO has not 
> announced anything about this when I move my VO cursor over the 14th (I am 
> using the VO keys plus arrows left and right to move the VO cursor).   I 
> would like VO to say at least 1 event listed, press VO plus space to view the 
> event.  When I do press VO + space (even though there was no hint to do so) I 
> finally hear a pop up which displays my event, and then I hit escape to make 
> it go away. There is no option within the pop up to then list the event in 
> full or be able to edit the event, these options would be useful.
> 
> Ok that is the year view, let's look at month view.
> 
> the first element is previous month and the next month is today (which should 
> say the current month, in my case is August), then we have the next month 
> button.. Next follows "August 2012 grid, 5 rows 7 columns" again, why do I 
> need to know the number of rows and columns? and why do I have to interact 
> with the grid? it should be visible by default.  .  After interacting, I land 
> on 30 July which is a Monday. and voiceover announces "1 event list", maybe 
> it would be better if VO said "1 event" to be consistent with iOS.  This is 
> good though, as in month view you are informed you have an event listed when 
> you move the VO cursor over the day, as I menti

Re: Preview Pane in Mac Mail (Mountain Lion)

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I'm not sure if I understand your question totally.  In standard view, your 
messages are in conversations and by default, a couple of lines of the messages 
is displayed.  Vo will read this summarized version of the message and in some 
cases, this will be the entire message if the sender is not extremely wordy.  
Otherwise, VO will normally cut off if it is a longer message.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2012-08-13, at 7:46 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:

> Okay, strange but true.  We are close on this one.  Using standard view in 
> Mac Mail Mountain Lion I have been able to get the vertical bar to collapse.  
> This doesn't, however, prevent the entire message from being read.  Any other 
> thoughts?
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
> 
> On 2012-08-13, at 11:14 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Try the following.
>> 
>> 1.  Removing the Preview Pane in Classic layout:
>> 
>> • Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter that is to the right of the Messages 
>> table.
>> • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if needed).  This will bring the mouse to the VO 
>> cursor and announce where the mouse is and it should read "Horizontal 
>> Splitter".
>> • Double-click on your Trackpad or alternatively, you can press near the top 
>> of the Trackpad and drag to the bottom.  Make sure in this case that you 
>> actually make the Trackpad button depress so that the drag action will work.
>> 
>> 2.  Removing the Preview Pane for non-Classic layout:
>> 
>> • Navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages Column 
>> Group.
>> • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if necessary) to bring the mouse to the VO cursor. 
>>  It will announce Vertical Splitter if it did what it was supposed to do.
>> • Double-click on the Trackpad or alternatively, put your finger near the 
>> left hand side of the Trackpad, then drag to the far right and release.  As 
>> in the first case, make sure that you depress the Trackpad button so that 
>> the dragging process will occur.
>> 
>> Note that in the Classic layout, you are dealing with a Horizontal Splitter 
>> and in the non-Classic layout, you are dealing with a Vertical Splitter. 
>> Each case requires a different dragging direction if you choose that option.
>> 
>> There are a couple of ways of determining if it worked.  Firstly, you can 
>> navigate around the Mail screen and if you don't hear anything about 
>> "Message Content Area", life is good.
>> 
>> The second method is a little more complicated but tells you for sure.  In 
>> Classic layout, navigate to the Horizontal Splitter to the right of the "New 
>> Mailbox Action" menu.  You'll notice two Horizontal splitters, one after the 
>> Messages Table and this one that I'm talking about.  Once you've located 
>> this Horizontal Splitter, Interact with it and press VO-down.  Vo will 
>> announce "Collapsed" which is what you want to hear.  In non-Classic layout, 
>> navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages Column 
>> Group and Interact with it.  Press VO-right and VO will announce "Collapsed" 
>> if the Preview pane is gone.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On 2012-08-12, at 7:16 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for the tip.  However, I'm still not getting anyt=where.  The 
>>> horizontal bar, according to my mother-in-law, controls a pane on the left 
>>> which has the list of mailboxes.  The vertical bar seemingly does nothing.  
>>> Any other tips?
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> On 2012-08-12, at 7:43 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 You need to do a physical mouse click on the bar with your trackpad with 
 trackpad commander turned off or, with a mouse.
 
 hth
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Aug 12, 2012, at 7:02 PM, Jeff Berwick  
 wrote:
 
> Hi all,
> 
> I know this has been covered, but I had already accomplished this in Lion 
> and, when I upgraded to ML, it just worked.  Now I have purchased a new 
> computer and get get rid of the preview pane.  What am I missing?
> 
> I go to the Mail program and go over to the horizontal bar and interact.  
> I then set the percentage to 0% but it doesn't seem to go away.  Any 
> other tips?
> 
> Thx,
> Jeff
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Re: multiple messages from macvisionaries group

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, Brian,

In Gmail, you can first set up labels and then set up filters to allow messages 
to be sorted by these labels. However, this requires a lot of website 
navigation. You can do this from any computer using any platform.

In Mac Mail, you would first create new mailboxes from the mailboxes menu. 
Then, in Mail Preferences, which can be reached from the Mail Menu inside the 
app, or by pressing command-comma, you would go to the rules button and set up 
message rules this way.

If you need further instruction, depending on which way you want to accomplish 
this, I'd be happy to help.

HtH,
Teresa

On Aug 14, 2012, at 7:21 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Would be great if someone could post how they set everything up in
> gmail or mail, as I am still coming to the group and using auto
> webspots to navigate. Would love to get the group thread through mail,
> but not in my main mailbox Thanks
> 
> On Aug 13, 5:31 pm, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> Hello Iona,
>> 
>> I am so puzzled about this because since upgrading to Mountain Lion, I get 
>> these duplicate messages in macvisionaries group as well as the iPhone 
>> group. This did not happen before the upgrade. I did not think labels would 
>> be a problem but I have removed them anyway in case, especially that Harry 
>> suggested it and it had a positive effect for him. I have been looking for a 
>> clue in my gmail setting but I haven't found anything so far.
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Andrew
>> On 13 Aug 2012, at 22:05, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi,
>> 
>>> It would be interesting to check what settings do using Gmail. I also use 
>>> labels in Gmail and never received any duplicates of the messages in my 
>>> inbox. Good luck
>>> Ioana
>>> Please check out my cd onwww.ioanagandrabur.comon iTunes and most online 
>>> stores.
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:03 PM, Andrew Lamanche  
>>> wrote:
>> 
 Hello Everyone,
>> 
 I've already asked before about the problem of receiving multiple copies 
 of messages from macvisionaries group. Harry has offered me suggestions to 
 do with labels in gmail (which is the mail provider for me) but they 
 haven't sold the problem. I vaguely seem to remember that I had the same 
 issue under Lion but I can't remember how I had solved it then. I seem to 
 receive two copies of each message in my inbox. Please help if you have 
 any ideas.
>> 
 With best wishes and thanks
>> 
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Re: Cannot copy track from shared library to my own computer

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

If you have Home Sharing turned on for both machines, with the same Apple ID, 
you'll see the other computer in your Sources List under the Devices section.  
If there is no Devices section, then your Home Sharing is either not set up 
accordingly or there is a network issue.  Once you have focus on the other 
computer, expand it with VO-back slash, then wait a few seconds for it to 
populate, and navigate down to the Music Library or Playlist you wish to grab 
songs from.  You can then either search with the Search field or navigate 
through the Table to locate the items you wish to transfer.  Once selected, 
Stop Interacting with the Table and navigate right to the Copy Item button and 
things will move over.  They will not be placed in any specific playlist, they 
will simply be copied over to your Music Library and placed in the Music 
section within your Sources List.  You can subsequently add them to any 
playlists you wish.  Now, if you had iTunes Match, it can be configured so that 
whatever is put in a playlist in one computer is automatically put in the same 
playlist in the second computer.  It is a very cool set up, although one has to 
be willing to spend the yearly subscription fee to have the iTunes Match 
service.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2012-08-13, at 6:01 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I remember people saying that there should be a share button to import a 
> track from one computer to an other that shares the library
> I made sure that we are signed in with the same apple id and found the track 
> but could not find a share button. I found the copy item in the shortcut menu 
> and tried pressing vo space on it or pressing enterI pressed comand v on my 
> local usic sours but it did not get copied
> Any help is very appriciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Ioana
> 
> 
> 
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> stores.
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Re: Ripping from cd to .ogg vorbis

[Chris Blouch]

iTunes doesn't present the full QuickTime export options so even if you 
have the xiph ogg plugin for quicktime iTunes won't present that option. 
QuickTime Pro will export in any format supported by QuickTime 
(including ogg with the plugin) but you have to buy the pro version.


CB

On 8/14/12 7:40 AM, Chris Gilland wrote:

Hello guys. I know that I can rip into MP3 format using iTunes, however, is 
there a way that I can somehow get an application which will allow me to rip 
from a CD into ogg format?

Thanks for any help. Chris.

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Re: multiple messages from macvisionaries group

[Brian Fischler]

Would be great if someone could post how they set everything up in
gmail or mail, as I am still coming to the group and using auto
webspots to navigate. Would love to get the group thread through mail,
but not in my main mailbox Thanks

On Aug 13, 5:31 pm, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> Hello Iona,
>
> I am so puzzled about this because since upgrading to Mountain Lion, I get 
> these duplicate messages in macvisionaries group as well as the iPhone group. 
> This did not happen before the upgrade. I did not think labels would be a 
> problem but I have removed them anyway in case, especially that Harry 
> suggested it and it had a positive effect for him. I have been looking for a 
> clue in my gmail setting but I haven't found anything so far.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Andrew
> On 13 Aug 2012, at 22:05, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi,
>
> > It would be interesting to check what settings do using Gmail. I also use 
> > labels in Gmail and never received any duplicates of the messages in my 
> > inbox. Good luck
> > Ioana
> > Please check out my cd onwww.ioanagandrabur.comon iTunes and most online 
> > stores.
>
> > On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:03 PM, Andrew Lamanche  
> > wrote:
>
> >> Hello Everyone,
>
> >> I've already asked before about the problem of receiving multiple copies 
> >> of messages from macvisionaries group. Harry has offered me suggestions to 
> >> do with labels in gmail (which is the mail provider for me) but they 
> >> haven't sold the problem. I vaguely seem to remember that I had the same 
> >> issue under Lion but I can't remember how I had solved it then. I seem to 
> >> receive two copies of each message in my inbox. Please help if you have 
> >> any ideas.
>
> >> With best wishes and thanks
>
> >> Andrew
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Re: Calendar Appointments on the Mac

[Chris Moore]

You have to switch to day view to see a list.  Personally I think a list view 
should be added to the toolbar.

I wrote to Apple expressing my disappointment with Calendar and felt it should 
be more intuitive, be more iOS like and require less interacting.

This is my observation of the app as you explore, starting with the toolbar:

There is the toolbar which you can interact with. I think another view should 
be added to the calendar view switcher.  I think there should be a "List View". 
 This would make the calendar behave more like iOS.  I also think the Today 
button should be moved to the toolbar as well as a button for invitations and 
for adding a new calendar.

After you stop interacting with the toolbar, there is the vertical splitter  
(why do we need to care about this? I would rather not hear VO announce this.  
I can appreciate it is there for when you bring the list of calendar types into 
view.  Perhaps calendar view should actually be moved to the view menu at the 
top of the window.  There could be an entry called Calendars, with a sub menu 
which you can then place a tick against the calendar or calendars you which to 
be be visible such as all calendars, home, work, birthdays etc.
) After the vertical splitter, VO says "Friday, 10 August 2012, year, Calendar 
area" (this is the date of myself writing this message, and I had the year view 
selected) ). I think it would sound better if VO rad all this out as "Today is 
the 10th of August 2012, Year view is selected".

Next, as long as you do not interact with the calendar area,  there is a 
horizontal splitter, yet again, why does VO even need to know this?

I have my calendar currently set to year view, so let's interact with it and 
explore that.

The first item is the previous year button,  and the next item is the today 
button, should this not say what the current year is? for example 2012?  No 
matter which view I use, the today button is always read out which is not 
relevant when in month or year or week view, this should behave more like iOS.  
.  The next element is next year button.

Next is The 2012 (or whichever year you have selected).  VO tells you this is a 
grid and tells you how many rows and columns there are.  Is this relevant? and 
why do we even need to interact with this grid?  Should it not be visible by 
default?  This is one of my biggest complains about the calendar app, there are 
too many levels to interact with.  Can you imagine how popular google search 
would be if you had to follow 6 hyperlinks before you finally got to the search 
box?

After interacting, I am told by VO that I am on August, and that is the 8 of 12 
 and lists the number of columns and rows within that month.  Again, is this 
relevant? do we really need to know how many rows and columns can be found 
inside August? and do I need to be told it is month 8 of 12?

Next we have to interact with August to see each of the days.  Now this bit I 
think Apple got right, as you don't want to have to listen to every entry for 
every month, it is nice being able to skip over months and simply only 
interacting with the month you require.  

Ok, so I have now interacted with the month of August and I am still in year 
view. and I move to 14, and VO tells me this is a Tuesday (great as we never 
got this in the past) but it also tells me I am on 16 of 42.  Why is the 16 of 
42 relevant?  .  I have an event on the 14th August, but VO has not announced 
anything about this when I move my VO cursor over the 14th (I am using the VO 
keys plus arrows left and right to move the VO cursor).   I would like VO to 
say at least 1 event listed, press VO plus space to view the event.  When I do 
press VO + space (even though there was no hint to do so) I finally hear a pop 
up which displays my event, and then I hit escape to make it go away. There is 
no option within the pop up to then list the event in full or be able to edit 
the event, these options would be useful.

Ok that is the year view, let's look at month view.

the first element is previous month and the next month is today (which should 
say the current month, in my case is August), then we have the next month 
button.. Next follows "August 2012 grid, 5 rows 7 columns" again, why do I need 
to know the number of rows and columns? and why do I have to interact with the 
grid? it should be visible by default.  .  After interacting, I land on 30 July 
which is a Monday. and voiceover announces "1 event list", maybe it would be 
better if VO said "1 event" to be consistent with iOS.  This is good though, as 
in month view you are informed you have an event listed when you move the VO 
cursor over the day, as I mentioned earlier VO does not announce this when in 
Year view.  The next thing VO tells me after announcing the event, that I am on 
1 of 35.  Yet again, do I really need to know I am on 1 of 35?

I am now going to explore the week view.  As usual we have the previous button 
and in this case it

Re: Please explain disclosure triangles

[Chris Blouch]

If you are in the finder in list view each folder will read

FolderName Collapsed

or

FolderName Expanded

You can use plain old up/down to go up and down the tree and then right 
left to expand/collapse the folder. Once expanded, up/down will include 
all the child files/folders. If you are focused on a child and hit left 
it will jump you back to the parent. If you are on the parent and hit 
left again it will collapse. If you have a child folder expanded and you 
collapse its parent, if you later re-expand the parent the child folder 
will also still be expanded. In other words it puts things back the way 
you left them. As you probably noticed, when you expand a folder it 
tells you how many items were revealed (added) to the list.


Tree views are a great way to organize information so you can drill down 
quickly to the stuff you care about and ignore the rest. Note that all 
this arrowing around in trees is not specific to voiceover so anyone can 
do the same keyboard navigation.


CB

On 8/14/12 9:35 AM, Mary Scott wrote:

I do not hear the word "plus" or "minus".  How do I click on it?  Sorry for 
silly question.
On Aug 13, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Chris  wrote:


Hey at least we do not get those stupid balloons on the mac yea!

On 13/08/2012 17:36, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

It's more like those stupid balloons that would pop up that said things like, "You 
have updates for your computer waiting to be downloaded; click this balloon for more 
details." Except that it's nothing like that because these are accessible, NOT 
annoying and … just better.


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Re: Help with Selecting Text in Safari

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Brian,

I assume you continue to use the  Mac, and as a result, your feedback is 
important.  Good luck as we both continue to traverse the Mac world!

Les
On Aug 14, 2012, at 9:47 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Well put Les. I have almost given up on a lot of tables on the mac,
> and numbers is driving me crazy, as sometimes it works and other times
> it doesn't. I know Apple is working on these things, and they aren't
> the easiest problems to fix, but hey, I lack patience.
> 
> On Aug 12, 11:27 pm, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> Hi Brian,
>> 
>> Keep on posting please.  Like you, I'm a big believer in Apple and what 
>> they've done, but Apple currently cannot handle all of our needs.  Examples 
>> would be reading of tables and reading of pdf documents.  I use my Mac 
>> virtually all of the time but still use Windows on occasion for the 
>> formentioned tasks, and I'm glad I have that option.
>> 
>> Les
>> On Aug 12, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Awesome just found the help document. Ah, I believe I was hitting the
>>> command key and needed to hit the option key. Here is the help
>>> document in case anyone else is having problems
>> 
>>> http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/_1201.html
>> 
>>> On Aug 12, 11:49 am, Brian Fischler  wrote:
 Hey all,
>> 
 Trying to copy some text in safari and have run in to some issues, not
 sure what I am doing wrong, and it is probably a setting, so wanted to
 see if anyone knew. It is weird as at first this was working, but it
 doesn't seem like the cursor is following VO and I have checked my
 settings in F8 and have toggled them all on and off, but nothing
 changed. When I go down in to the middle of a paragraph and wanted to
 select a certain line, the cursor doesn't seem to follow voiceover and
 seems to be selecting a few lines earlier. Here is what I am doing. I
 first interact with the text, then read it word by word with VO right
 arrow. I get to the insertion point where I want to start selecting
 text, and click Command shift right arrow, but it starts selecting
 text somewhere else on the page, not sure what I am doing wrong here,
 or if I have a setting set incorrectly. I have tried this selecting
 text with Quick Nav on and off, and even tried using the trackpad to
 select text, but again it was selecting the wrong area. Any help would
 be greatly appreciated. Thanks
>> 
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Re: Help with Selecting Text in Safari

[Brian Fischler]

Well put Les. I have almost given up on a lot of tables on the mac,
and numbers is driving me crazy, as sometimes it works and other times
it doesn't. I know Apple is working on these things, and they aren't
the easiest problems to fix, but hey, I lack patience.

On Aug 12, 11:27 pm, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> Hi Brian,
>
> Keep on posting please.  Like you, I'm a big believer in Apple and what 
> they've done, but Apple currently cannot handle all of our needs.  Examples 
> would be reading of tables and reading of pdf documents.  I use my Mac 
> virtually all of the time but still use Windows on occasion for the 
> formentioned tasks, and I'm glad I have that option.
>
> Les
> On Aug 12, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Awesome just found the help document. Ah, I believe I was hitting the
> > command key and needed to hit the option key. Here is the help
> > document in case anyone else is having problems
>
> >http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/_1201.html
>
> > On Aug 12, 11:49 am, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> >> Hey all,
>
> >> Trying to copy some text in safari and have run in to some issues, not
> >> sure what I am doing wrong, and it is probably a setting, so wanted to
> >> see if anyone knew. It is weird as at first this was working, but it
> >> doesn't seem like the cursor is following VO and I have checked my
> >> settings in F8 and have toggled them all on and off, but nothing
> >> changed. When I go down in to the middle of a paragraph and wanted to
> >> select a certain line, the cursor doesn't seem to follow voiceover and
> >> seems to be selecting a few lines earlier. Here is what I am doing. I
> >> first interact with the text, then read it word by word with VO right
> >> arrow. I get to the insertion point where I want to start selecting
> >> text, and click Command shift right arrow, but it starts selecting
> >> text somewhere else on the page, not sure what I am doing wrong here,
> >> or if I have a setting set incorrectly. I have tried this selecting
> >> text with Quick Nav on and off, and even tried using the trackpad to
> >> select text, but again it was selecting the wrong area. Any help would
> >> be greatly appreciated. Thanks
>
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Re: sort of figured out GarageBand

[Alex Hall]

Okay, thanks. I'll have a look at some of the other effects in there
as well, they could come in handy.

On 8/14/12, Chris Blouch  wrote:
> 100 is a single note up and -100 should be a single note down. There are
> controls but I couldn't figure out a way to access them so I just typed
> the values in. My impression from other platforms is that plugins manage
> their own user interface and so even if Garage Band is accessible the
> plugins may not be. At least this one lets me type in values even if I
> can't interact with it in any other way. On previous version of Garage
> Band you could change the key of a track through a native control in the
> LCD Panel UI near the metronome, but that is now gone and we're left
> with the longer Audio Units filter process. Some say the quality isn't
> as good either but I so seldom use pitch shift this way that it's not
> that big a deal. Lets just say I like to play (and learn) everything in
> C. Easy enough on my keyboard with transpose but not so much on a real
> piano :)
>
> CB
>
> On 8/13/12 3:28 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> Makes sense, thanks. What did you say the change was? I assumed
>> there'd be a slider and a way to select the old and new keys for the
>> song, as in something to tell it how many half steps to shift and in
>> what direction. What is one half step in numbers to GB?
>>
>> On 8/13/12, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>>> So first you need to select the track you want to add the filter to and
>>> then do Command-I for track info. That hides or shows the track info but
>>> won't move your focus there. You'll have to stop interacting with the
>>> Arrange Layout area and move to the Track Info Group. Your Real
>>> Instrument button should be pressed (as opposed to Master Track. Then
>>> navigate down to the Browse/Edit radio buttons. Select Edit. Navigate
>>> right from there and you'll find the effects for this track (if any).
>>> Typical ones are Noise Gate and Compressor. These are each loaded into
>>> "slots" making an output chain where the effects are applied in the
>>> order listed. An empty slot is listed as Select Effect Popup Button.
>>> Actioning this will give you a list of effect to load into the slot.
>>> These are arranged in two groups - Garage Band Effects and Audio Unit
>>> Effects, listed in alphabetical order. Arrow down past all the Garage
>>> Band Effects and about 15 down in the Audio Unit effects will be the AU
>>> Pitch effect. You can also get there more quickly bu typing A U P which
>>> will drop you just a few items above it. Select that and it's now
>>> inserted into the slot.
>>>
>>> Once the filter is inserted garage band will drop your focus on the next
>>> slot so to edit the effect you'll need to VO up once to get to the
>>> AUPitch Group. Interact with that and find the Edit button. Actioning
>>> that pops a new floating window. VO-right a couple times until you are
>>> past the "action image" and you should land on an edit field which reads
>>> "0 contents selected edit text". This is where you type in the amount of
>>> pitch shift you want (initially zero). If the track is playing you will
>>> hear the change as soon as you hit return. The floating window is a bit
>>> problematic in that it doesn't follow the usual command-tilde rules so
>>> once I lose focus I have to go back to the edit button to get back to
>>> it. Likewise I have to close the popup to make the space start playback
>>> again but with a little fussing it's doable.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>> CB
>>> On 8/13/12 1:30 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
 How do you add that, or any, filter to a track?

 On 8/13/12, Chris Blouch  wrote:
> The only way I could find to do this was by adding the AUPitch filter
> to
> the track. When editing the filter there are four unlabeled inputs.
> The
> first (initially zero) is the amount of pitch to shift. 100 is a full
> note up. Give that a try.
>
> CB
>
> On 8/9/12 11:27 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I think I sort of got GB down. I have no idea what changed, but
>> things
>> are working as Ricardo said they should now and I was able to export
>> a
>> song, with my bass track, as a standard mp3. Now, if I could just
>> drop
>> the original song a half step and re-record it so I can play it in
>> G... can I do that, drop the imported mp3 a half step?
>>
>>
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
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>> http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
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Re: Using Boot Camp

[Alex Hall]

No, no passwords anywhere. That may well be the difference.

On 8/14/12, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is your windows partition Password locked?  This might be the the cause of
> the differences we're seeing.
>
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
>
> On Aug 13, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>
>> Wait, yes you can. I was working with garageband the other day and
>> needed an mp3 stored on my windows partition, so I opened up the
>> folder and copied the file with no problems over to the mac's
>> partition. I then copied the finished mp3 from the mac partition to
>> the windows one while I was booted into windows, again with no
>> trouble. No, you can't copy *to* a partition not in use, but you can
>> copy from one to your active partition just fine.
>>
>> On 8/13/12, Paul Hunt  wrote:
>>> Then I will probably have to use Drop Box. I can do that.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
>>> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 10:05 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Using Boot Camp
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> no.
>>>
>>> That is exactly what he was saying you can not do.  You can see the
>>> files
>>> on
>>> either drive but, you can not make any changes to these files.  This
>>> includes copying and pasting.  So for example, if log into the Mac OS, I
>>> can't copy a file from my boot camp partition.
>>>
>>> hth
>>>
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>>
>>> On Aug 13, 2012, at 10:06 AM, Paul Hunt  wrote:
>>>
 Hello Alex. So this means that if I'm logged into Windows I can copy a
 file from the mac side and if I'm logged into the Mac I can copy files
 from the Windows side? I can also use Drop Box. Have you tried using
 VMWare Fusion to boot from a Bootcamp partition and is there any
 advantage
>>> to doing this?



 Thanks so much.







 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
 Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 2:02 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Using Boot Camp



 1. You can read, but not write, the mac partition in windows. It works
 the same in mac os: you can read the windows partition, but not write
 to
>>> it.

 2. I use Carbonite, but my understanding is that you can't back up
 both as they are different partitions. You could pay $99 per year to
 back up your primary drive and a backup drive (your other partition)
 but the basic, $59/year package allows only one drive to be backed up.
 You can call carbonite (1-877-2225488) and check with them. As to
 accessibility, the site works, and the client works well enough on
 Windows (you may need the jaws cursor though). I don't know about the
 mac client as I have not yet tried it.

 On Aug 10, 2012, at 1:51 PM, "Paul Hunt"  wrote:





 Hello everyone. I have been running Windows with VM Fusion for the
 past two years. Although it works pretty well there are problems.
 1. Freedom Scientific doesn't support its applications when they are
 running in a Virtual Machine. If I make any changes to the VM I lose an
>>> activation.
 Freedom Scientific gets quite irritated when they have to reset keys
 too often.
 2. Although Windows and MS office work pretty well in the VM, Open
 Book does not.
 3. FS Braille Display drivers do not load in the VM.
 4. I got a chance to compare performance with the VM and with Boot
 Camp.
 There is no comparison, Boot Camp performs much much better.
 Here are my questions.
 1. Will I have any problems reading from or writing to files on the
 MAC partition?
 2. Do any of you use Carbonite to back up both your boot camp and Mac
 partitions? Is the web site for Carbonite accessible?
 I will continue to use the MAC for ITunes. I also want to keep up with
 accessibility improvements in the IWork suite.

 Thanks so much.

 Paul

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Re: Please explain disclosure triangles

[Mary Scott]

I do not hear the word "plus" or "minus".  How do I click on it?  Sorry for 
silly question.
On Aug 13, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Chris  wrote:

> Hey at least we do not get those stupid balloons on the mac yea!
> 
> On 13/08/2012 17:36, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
>> It's more like those stupid balloons that would pop up that said things 
>> like, "You have updates for your computer waiting to be downloaded; click 
>> this balloon for more details." Except that it's nothing like that because 
>> these are accessible, NOT annoying and … just better.
>> 
>> 
>>  • Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>>  • AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
>>  • MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
>>  • My home page:
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Re: Having Mail not automatically mark a message as read when I move to it

[matthew Dyer]

Hey.  How do I inable mouse keys in voiceover in sl does anyone remember.  I do 
not have a mouse of any kind on my machine so will have to use the mouse keys  
to do this.

Matthew


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On Aug 13, 2012, at 8:43 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:

> Hi,
> I can only give you steps in standard (not classic) view.
> 1. go to messages column. NOt the table inside the colun. 
> 2. vo right once to vertical splitter.
> 3. interact 
> 4. vo command f5 to bring mouse on it.
> 5. optional make sure mouse is there with vo f5
> 6. In lion this did not work but now in ml you can perform a mouse double 
> click by pressing vo shift space twice quickly.
> 7. preview column  should be gone. Verify by vo right after the vertical 
> splitter. If there follows a horizontal one you are in business.
> 
> hth,
> 
> Ioana
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> stores.
> 
> On Aug 13, 2012, at 7:30 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> I would love steps. I'm not sure what happened to the other email that
>> had them, but I can't find it. Thanks.
>> 
>> On 8/13/12, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> Just a quick note to say that you can hide the preview pane also by using
>>> keyboard shortcuts. There have been posts to that effect on the list also.
>>> If anybody wants me to write steps just let me know.
>>> 
>>> Take care,
>>> 
>>> Ioana
>>> 
>>> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online
>>> stores.
>>> 
>>> On Aug 1, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Harry,
 
 I'll paste in here my instructions I posted in a different thread with the
 steps you can use to get rid of the Preview Pane in Mountain Lion Mail.
 
 1.  Removing the Preview Pane in Classic layout:
 
 • Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter that is to the right of the Messages
 table.
 • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if needed).  This will bring the mouse to the VO
 cursor and announce where the mouse is and it should read "Horizontal
 Splitter".
 • Double-click on your Trackpad or alternatively, you can press near the
 top of the Trackpad and drag to the bottom.  Make sure in this case that
 you actually make the Trackpad button depress so that the drag action will
 work.
 
 2.  Removing the Preview Pane for non-Classic layout:
 
 • Navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages
 Column Group.
 • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if necessary) to bring the mouse to the VO
 cursor.  It will announce Vertical Splitter if it did what it was supposed
 to do.
 • Double-click on the Trackpad or alternatively, put your finger near the
 left hand side of the Trackpad, then drag to the far right and release.
 As in the first case, make sure that you depress the Trackpad button so
 that the dragging process will occur.
 
 Note that in the Classic layout, you are dealing with a Horizontal
 Splitter and in the non-Classic layout, you are dealing with a Vertical
 Splitter.  Each case requires a different dragging direction if you choose
 that option.
 
 There are a couple of ways of determining if it worked.  Firstly, you can
 navigate around the Mail screen and if you don't hear anything about
 "Message Content Area", life is good.
 
 The second method is a little more complicated but tells you for sure.  In
 Classic layout, navigate to the Horizontal Splitter to the right of the
 "New Mailbox Action" menu.  You'll notice two Horizontal splitters, one
 after the Messages Table and this one that I'm talking about.  Once you've
 located this Horizontal Splitter, Interact with it and press VO-down.  Vo
 will announce "Collapsed" which is what you want to hear.  In non-Classic
 layout, navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the
 Messages Column Group and Interact with it.  Press VO-right and VO will
 announce "Collapsed" if the Preview pane is gone.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later...
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2012-08-01, at 1:23 AM, Harry Hogue  wrote:
 
> Hi Anne,
> 
> Wow -- I just now switched to classic view to see the differences, and it
> is unnerving.  I think I will keep standard view for now but will try and
> move the preview panel.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Harry
> 
> On Aug 1, 2012, at 1:11 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Harry,
>> 
>> You need to get rid of the preview panel. That will stop Mail from
>> opening every message you land on. I'm unable to help you with how to do
>> this for two reasons: I haven't yet upgraded to Mountain Lion and I use
>> Classic Vie

Re: Having Mail not automatically mark a message as read when I move to it

[matthew Dyer]

Hi,

Could I have the steps please I need to disable the pain since It seems to have 
reappeared for some strange reaspon.  Thanks.

Matthew


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On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:03 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:

> Hi
> 
> Just a quick note to say that you can hide the preview pane also by using 
> keyboard shortcuts. There have been posts to that effect on the list also. If 
> anybody wants me to write steps just let me know.
> 
> Take care,
> 
> Ioana
> 
> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
> stores.
> 
> On Aug 1, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Harry,
>> 
>> I'll paste in here my instructions I posted in a different thread with the 
>> steps you can use to get rid of the Preview Pane in Mountain Lion Mail.
>> 
>> 1.  Removing the Preview Pane in Classic layout:
>> 
>> • Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter that is to the right of the Messages 
>> table.
>> • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if needed).  This will bring the mouse to the VO 
>> cursor and announce where the mouse is and it should read "Horizontal 
>> Splitter".
>> • Double-click on your Trackpad or alternatively, you can press near the top 
>> of the Trackpad and drag to the bottom.  Make sure in this case that you 
>> actually make the Trackpad button depress so that the drag action will work.
>> 
>> 2.  Removing the Preview Pane for non-Classic layout:
>> 
>> • Navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages Column 
>> Group.
>> • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if necessary) to bring the mouse to the VO cursor. 
>>  It will announce Vertical Splitter if it did what it was supposed to do.
>> • Double-click on the Trackpad or alternatively, put your finger near the 
>> left hand side of the Trackpad, then drag to the far right and release.  As 
>> in the first case, make sure that you depress the Trackpad button so that 
>> the dragging process will occur.
>> 
>> Note that in the Classic layout, you are dealing with a Horizontal Splitter 
>> and in the non-Classic layout, you are dealing with a Vertical Splitter.  
>> Each case requires a different dragging direction if you choose that option.
>> 
>> There are a couple of ways of determining if it worked.  Firstly, you can 
>> navigate around the Mail screen and if you don't hear anything about 
>> "Message Content Area", life is good.
>> 
>> The second method is a little more complicated but tells you for sure.  In 
>> Classic layout, navigate to the Horizontal Splitter to the right of the "New 
>> Mailbox Action" menu.  You'll notice two Horizontal splitters, one after the 
>> Messages Table and this one that I'm talking about.  Once you've located 
>> this Horizontal Splitter, Interact with it and press VO-down.  Vo will 
>> announce "Collapsed" which is what you want to hear.  In non-Classic layout, 
>> navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages Column 
>> Group and Interact with it.  Press VO-right and VO will announce "Collapsed" 
>> if the Preview pane is gone.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On 2012-08-01, at 1:23 AM, Harry Hogue  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Anne,
>>> 
>>> Wow -- I just now switched to classic view to see the differences, and it 
>>> is unnerving.  I think I will keep standard view for now but will try and 
>>> move the preview panel.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Harry
>>> 
>>> On Aug 1, 2012, at 1:11 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Harry,
 
 You need to get rid of the preview panel. That will stop Mail from opening 
 every message you land on. I'm unable to help you with how to do this for 
 two reasons: I haven't yet upgraded to Mountain Lion and I use Classic 
 View in Mail.
 
 However, if you can find the horizontal splitter between the headers and 
 the body of the message, bring the mouse and double click using the 
 trackpad and it might just work.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 1 Aug 2012, at 05:58, Harry Hogue wrote:
 
> Hi, guys,
> 
> I've never changed my Mail preferences at all from when Mail came with my 
> computer on Snow Leopard, and I haven't changed it for Mountain Lion, 
> either.  When I move to a message or a message thread, the message I am 
> focused on becomes read, so that VoiceOver will read something like, "Two 
> message conversation collapsed Triangle, John Smith, The subject here, 
> two conversation message collapsed disclosure triangle, Jane Doe, subject 
> here."  I hope this isn't too confusing.  it's kind of hard to explain.  
> Basically it marks the current message as read and repeats all of the 
> thread information a second time, replacing the information with the next 
> name in the t

A few queries related to programming: vim, configuration files, etc

[Venkatesh Potluri]

Hello listers. I have a few questions related to programming on the
mac. I frequently code in C, C++, Python and Java, and I often come
across situations where I have to edit configuration files for a few
applications, etc.
1. what is the best editor or IDE?
I have tried using vim from the terminal but, I face a difficulty in
navigating around the text  and editing it. VO reads some text, when I
take the curser to the place I want to edit and Hit the delete key,
text from else where gets deleted. Am I doing something wrong?
Is there any way to use xCode to open a blank file, code in the
language I prefer(at least C ), and run the code? I guess doing this
would help me use the auto complete features of xCode.
2. how do I edit configuration files using text edit or some other GUI editor?
sinse vim was not of any help to me, I tried to edit configuration
files in textedit using the open command from the terminal. but, in
come cases, after editing, I get an error while saving saying " you
don't own this file ". I am in the " sudo su " mode, stil I get this
error.
I request you to give your valuable suggestions or workarounds at the
earliest as I am unable to do my course assignments and loosing
grades.
Thank you in advance.
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Re: Renaming my Mac

[Garth Humphreys]

Cheers Gavin, I was digging around in Users and Groups, completely skipped over 
sharing. 
On 14/08/2012, at 10:11 PM, Gavin Grundlingh  wrote:

> Hi Garth,
> 
> To rename your Mac, open System Preferences and click on "Sharing". If you 
> then VO-Right past the toolbar, you'll see a "Computer name" text field. If 
> the name is dimmed, just uncheck the box that says, "Click the lock to make 
> changes", enter your password, and you'll be able to change the name of your 
> computer. Hope this helps.
> 
> Regards,
> 
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> On 14 Aug 2012, at 1:30 PM, Garth Humphreys  wrote:
> 
>> Hi 
>> 
>> I know this might be a strange question but how would I go about renaming my 
>> Mac. It's current default name is Garth's Mac Book Air but I would like to 
>> change this 
>> 
>> Garth
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Calendar Appointments on the Mac

[Steve Holmes]

I have a question about the list of appointments possible in Calendar.  On IOS 
devices, you can see a full list view of all appointments, past and present in 
a single view.  I was thinking since Mountain Lion's approach in many apps is 
more closely similar to their IOS counterparts,, that list could be shown on 
the Mac as well.  Alas, I haven't been able to do that.  Is a single list of 
all events even possible on the Mac? I can get a list within a specific period 
of time like week or month view but I would like to see the list like I can on 
my iPod.

Any ideas?

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Re: Renaming my Mac

[Gavin Grundlingh]

Hi Garth,

To rename your Mac, open System Preferences and click on "Sharing". If you then 
VO-Right past the toolbar, you'll see a "Computer name" text field. If the name 
is dimmed, just uncheck the box that says, "Click the lock to make changes", 
enter your password, and you'll be able to change the name of your computer. 
Hope this helps.

Regards,

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> Hi 
> 
> I know this might be a strange question but how would I go about renaming my 
> Mac. It's current default name is Garth's Mac Book Air but I would like to 
> change this 
> 
> Garth
> iblindtech.com
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Re: Ripping from cd to .ogg vorbis

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That would be max from www.sbooth.org.

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On 2012-08-14, at 7:40 AM, Chris Gilland wrote:

> Hello guys. I know that I can rip into MP3 format using iTunes, however, is 
> there a way that I can somehow get an application which will allow me to rip 
> from a CD into ogg format?
> 
> Thanks for any help. Chris.
> 
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Ripping from cd to .ogg vorbis

[Chris Gilland]

Hello guys. I know that I can rip into MP3 format using iTunes, however, is 
there a way that I can somehow get an application which will allow me to rip 
from a CD into ogg format?

Thanks for any help. Chris.

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Re: A way to renable the backspace key to go back a page in Safari

[Steve Holmes]

I have fairly limited experience with all of Safari but I have always used the 
Commend-arrow keys to go back but I use tabs as much as possible.  I believe 
Safari under Mountain Lion does more with tabs instead of opening new windows.  
I usually go back by pressing Command-w to close tab or window and that usually 
works for me.  Maybe I'm missing something too.

On Aug 5, 2012, at 8:54 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:

> Can I join you in that corner?  I couldn't get command left/right arrow to
> work...because I was always on a new tab with no back or forward pages to go
> to.
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 11:00 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A way to renable the backspace key to go back a page in Safari
> 
> Wow!
> 
> How on earth did I miss that?  My bad. haha. I'll go sit over here in the
> corner now.
> 
> Some alternatives you can use are, command left/right bracket or, command
> left/right arrow. :)
> 
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> On Aug 5, 2012, at 10:26 AM, "Bill Holton"  wrote:
> 
>> Maybe it's me who's missing something.  With ML and Safari 6, the 
>> backspace key has stopped moving me back and the shift backspace key 
>> has stopped moving me forward.  I have tried both with and without quick
> nav on.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> BILL HOLTON
>> Email:   b...@bholton.com
>> Direct:  386-624-6309
>> Homepage:www.bholton.com
>> Home Office: 1520 Loughton ST
>>  DeLand, FL  32720
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
>> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 10:24 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: A way to renable the backspace key to go back a page in 
>> Safari
>> 
>> Am I missing something here? I'm able to press backspace to go back a 
>> page without configuring anything.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Aug 4, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Christopher-Mark gilland 
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I definitely wouldn't wanna do this, as like the tip states, you then 
>>> lose
>> your ability to delete inputted text, so, if I make a booboo on a web 
>> based e-mail service and I'm 3 paragraphs deep, and I only have a 
>> backspace key, not a full delete key on my keyboard, then, guess what, 
>> I'm screwed.  Looks like Im gonna be typing the whole thing over from 
>> the top... or... did I miss something?
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Bill Holton
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 9:26 PM
>>> Subject: A way to renable the backspace key to go back a page in 
>>> Safari
>>> 
>>> Has anyone tried this?  Or is there a better way to get a better 
>>> command
>> to go back in Safari..
>>> 
>>> Re-enable the backspace key to go back a page in Safari 6 
>>>  Aug 03, '12 07:30:00AM . Contributed by: philwo It 
>>> seems like Apple disabled the "Press Backspace to go back a page" 
>>> feature
>> in Safari 6 due to users having complained about losing text entered 
>> in text fields when they accidentally pressed the backspace key. If 
>> you liked this feature, you can enable it again using this command:
>>> defaults write com.apple.Safari NSUserKeyEquivalents -dict-add Back
>> "\U232b"
>>> If you ever want to disable it, there are two possibilities. The 
>>> first, if
>> you don't have any other shortcuts for Safari, is to run this command:
>>> defaults delete com.apple.Safari NSUserKeyEquivalents It will delete 
>>> all Safari keyboard shortcuts.
>>> 
>>> The second method is a bit more time-consuming. You need to first 
>>> create a
>> keyboard shortcut for Safari, for the "Back" command, in the preferences.
>> Then, if you apply the first command above, you'll be able to delete 
>> it. If you don't have a shortcut set up for the Back command before 
>> running the first command above, it won't display in the Keyboard 
>> Shortcut preferences, and you won't be able to delete it from the 
>> preference pane. It seems like using the defaults command to set up a 
>> shortcut only displays that shortcut in the preference pane if you already
> have a shortcut created.
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Renaming my Mac

[Garth Humphreys]

Hi 

I know this might be a strange question but how would I go about renaming my 
Mac. It's current default name is Garth's Mac Book Air but I would like to 
change this 

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iPhoto and email

[Garth Humphreys]

Hi 

I just tried to send a photo by using the action menu and email from within 
iPhoto. I got errors that the server wouldn't respond. I was then able to copy 
the photo and paste it into a email created from within Mail and send normally. 
I then repeated the same steps again with the same results. That is the email 
created in iPhoto would not send but the email created in Mail would. I had the 
same pop up button on the email created in iPhoto as I do in mail which allows 
the choice of sending account. I tried to send from multiple accounts in iPhoto 
with the same result.

Anyone know why there would be a difference? 
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Re: multiple messages from macvisionaries group

[Andrew Lamanche]

Dear Ioana,

Yes, I have a rule set up on my mac in mail preferences that moves messages 
from macvisionaries to a mailbox I have created. I have not got any rules in 
Google itself - I did not know it was possible.. And I have turned off all the 
labels.

Thanks for trying to help. I will double check the labels in Google in case I 
missed something.

Andrew
On 13 Aug 2012, at 23:49, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:

> Do you have any rools set up to move messages from macvisionaries into a 
> setain folder? IF so, are they on the mac or on google? 
> Do I understand correctly that you turned all labels off in gmail?
> 
> Just trying to get a picture of your setup to see what can be done.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Ioana
> 
> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
> stores.
> 
> On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Andrew Lamanche  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello Iona,
>> 
>> I am so puzzled about this because since upgrading to Mountain Lion, I get 
>> these duplicate messages in macvisionaries group as well as the iPhone 
>> group. This did not happen before the upgrade. I did not think labels would 
>> be a problem but I have removed them anyway in case, especially that Harry 
>> suggested it and it had a positive effect for him. I have been looking for a 
>> clue in my gmail setting but I haven't found anything so far. 
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Andrew
>> On 13 Aug 2012, at 22:05, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> It would be interesting to check what settings do using Gmail. I also use 
>>> labels in Gmail and never received any duplicates of the messages in my 
>>> inbox. Good luck
>>> Ioana
>>> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
>>> stores.
>>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:03 PM, Andrew Lamanche  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Everyone,
 
 I've already asked before about the problem of receiving multiple copies 
 of messages from macvisionaries group. Harry has offered me suggestions to 
 do with labels in gmail (which is the mail provider for me) but they 
 haven't sold the problem. I vaguely seem to remember that I had the same 
 issue under Lion but I can't remember how I had solved it then. I seem to 
 receive two copies of each message in my inbox. Please help if you have 
 any ideas.
 
 With best wishes and thanks
 
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Fwd: Mac OS X: Disk Utility's Repair Disk Permissions messages that you can safely ignore

[Dean Adams]

Hi,
Here is a list of things apple say you can ignore  when doing verify 
disc permissions the link to the information is below .
Regards Dean

>> From: Elijah 
>> Subject: Mac OS X: Disk Utility's Repair Disk Permissions messages that you 
>> can safely ignore
>> Date: 14 August 2012 4:48:55 PM AEST
>> To: gerryc...@optusnet.com.au
>> 
>> 
>> Hello,
>> Elijah thought you might find this article useful. We hope it helps resolve 
>> your technical issue.
>> Mac OS X: Disk Utility's Repair Disk Permissions messages that you can 
>> safely ignore
>> Click on the link above or copy and paste the following address into your 
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>> The Apple Support Team
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> you can safely ignore
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