Re: iBooks still unusable after clean install

[Jonathan Cohn]

I have just tried using iBooks for the first time, so I need to add a couple 
things to my library. You might want to try trashing all preferences that start 
with com.apple.ibooks and see if that helps.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn

> On Feb 6, 2016, at 04:13, David Griffith  wrote:
> 
> Ever since I upgraded to El Kapitan I have found iBooks on OS unusable with 
> constant busy messages ehen whenever I try to interact with the text scroll 
> area. .
> I took advice and did a complete clean install of El Kapitan.
> 
> Unfortunately this has not produced any improvement and I have exactly the 
> same issues as when I had simply upgraded over Yosemite.
> 
> I have a 2011 iMac with 16 GB of Ram and a solid state primary hard disc. No 
> other part of the OS, as far as I can tell so far is producing any lag.
> I am using the Alex voice.
> 
> It seems puzzingly that some of us are reporting no issues whilst others 
> appear to have exactly the same problem I have.
> 
> Could I first of all confirm if anybody else, like me, has this problem even 
> after a complete clean install?
> 
> David Griffith
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Re: does any one know of any cool voice over preferences?

[Jonathan Cohn]

I really appreciate the flexibility of the NumPad commander. Is there anything 
you are looking for? 


> On Feb 11, 2016, at 20:07, 'Adrian Leong' via MacVisionaries 
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> does any one know of any cool vice over preffences
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Re: Frustrated with Apple Pay

[Jonathan Cohn]

Did you verify that the credit card was fully authorized? Go back into your 
wallet and read the details of the offending card. 


> On Feb 17, 2016, at 20:25, Sarai Bucciarelli  
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> Hi guys:
> I have a new iphone 6s. I bought it for Apple pay. I cannot get it to work! I 
> went to Sprouts, and Petco, who have apple pay. I held my phone up to the 
> reader. Phone vibrated, and brought up my credit card. I touched the finger 
> id. nothing happened! I cannot figure it out!
> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
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Re: What to do when cmd-f5 just dings?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,

I believe that when the login screen does this, it means it is really the lock 
screen and not the login screen.

If there switch users is enabled, you might be able to get to the full login 
screen, though I can’t remember where the button for that is, or if there is a 
keyboard shortcut. 
> On Feb 21, 2016, at 09:11, Alex Hall  wrote:
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> Hey all,
> I've run into this from time to time on 10.11: hit command-f5, and you get 
> the error ding instead of VoiceOver. Right now, I'm seeing it on my sister's 
> Air, at the logon screen, but I've seen it on my machines as well. I figured 
> it was a beta thing, but the Air in front of me doesn't run any betas. Has 
> anyone found any way of getting VO to come on, especially at the logon screen 
> where you can't access System Preferences or Terminal? Thanks.
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Re: OT: Applescript refusing to see document object of Pages?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Alex,

Hopefully this will help…
I ran 

tell application "Pages"

set current_window to window 1
set itemList to documents of current_window
repeat with anitem in itemList
get the class of item 1 of anitem
end repeat
end tell


and received the results:
tell application "Pages"
get window 1
--> window id 888
get every document of window id 888
--> document id "018F988E-C58F-43F2-BD69-9567F7F9FEE7"
count document id "018F988E-C58F-43F2-BD69-9567F7F9FEE7"
--> 1
get class of item 1 of item 1 of document id 
"018F988E-C58F-43F2-BD69-9567F7F9FEE7"
--> document
end tell
Result:
document

> On Feb 22, 2016, at 21:04, Alex Hall  wrote:
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> Hey list,
> Anyone else out there who plays with AppleScript, I'd love your help. I'm 
> trying to help someone automate the completion of some long forms in Pages, 
> and I know how I'm going to do it. The problem is that even the simplest 
> script errors out with "Pages got an error: can't get document 1". If I can't 
> access the document, it's not going to work at all. Yet, I have no clue why I 
> can't, and all the samples I've looked up do exactly what I do. I even used 
> one of the samples, straight from the web, and got the exact same error. It 
> has to be something funny locally, but I don't know what. I don't even know 
> where to look. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks.
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Re: Open Private Browsing Safari Window

[Jonathan Cohn]

Yes there is a new private window item in the jump list of the doc. Try hitting 
vo-shift-M while focused on the Safari dock item.


> On Feb 24, 2016, at 13:59, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> Hi all, I have been Googling this with no answers so far.  :)
> 
> I’m wondering, is it possible to open a Safari Private window from the doc or 
> desktop?
> 
> What got me thinking about it is, with 3D touch on the iPhone you can open a 
> private session from the Safari icon in the doc.  Something like this on the 
> Mac would be great!
> 
> Any thoughts?  Clever work arounds?  ;)
> 
> Thanks,
> Traci
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Re:

[Jonathan Cohn]

Actually sudo is not useful here. sudo allows you to kill any process not just 
your processes. But Mail and VOiceOVer are being run by the user who logged in. 

So to force Mail to quit:
killall Mail
to force VoiceOver to quit 
killall VoiceOver 

For those that are interested in at least one version of BSD which MacOS is 
based on, the killall command was just a shell script that called ps and piped 
the results through grep and finally awk to get a list of PID that were then 
send the appropriate signals with kill.

 that the current Macintosh version of killall is actually a binary and not a 
script. 



> On Feb 15, 2016, at 12:41, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> yup.
> 
> sudo killall mail
> 
> hit enter.
> 
> type your administrator password.
> 
> Hit enter.
> Boom!
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Caitlyn Furness" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 10:32 AM
> Subject: Re:
> 
> 
> Hi,
> Is there a way to shut down mail via terminal?
> 
> the computer I am currently trying to fix from this stupid malicious code
> 
> thanks
> Cait
> 
>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 3:49 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> If you get caught by the very long strings that kills Alex and aren’t using 
>> another synth or can’t switch to it, you can press Command+Space, type 
>> terminal, press enter.  Press backspace and listen for the bell. Type “sudo 
>> shutdown -r now” and press enter, type your password, and press enter.  Your 
>> Mac restarts.
>> 
>> The perpetrator is sending emails to individual members from a gmail account 
>> off-list as well, so watch out.
>> 
>> Obviously I sincerely hope that the moderators hang the responsible party 
>> from the gallows by the naughty bits.  It probably won’t help, but it’s 
>> worth trying.
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Re: Accessible Program to Tell Me What is taking up so much space

[Jonathan Cohn]

The most likely suspects are TImeMachine if you have it enabled, and do not 
have the backup disk connected.
Bittorrent clients.

In any case, I love to use du 

the command 
cd / du -s * | sort -n | tail - 20 

While this command will take a while to run it should give you the directories 
that are the 20 largest.

Take care,
Jonathan 

> On Feb 29, 2016, at 18:29, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Another option might be Clean My Mac.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 2/29/2016 3:23 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>> Appreciate it but as you said Onix does not seem to do what I am trying
>> to do as I installed it earlier and it seemed to do everything except
>> tell you what is taking up space, and unfortunately disk utility which
>> you would think would tell you what is taking up space on your computer
>> does not do that. This is mind boggling as there is next to nothing in
>> my music photos downloads or documents and applications yet the drive is
>> 84% full with only 6 gigs free so I am assuming it is something in the
>> services folder that should not be there but I cannot find it very
>> strange. Thanks,
>>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 6:09 PM, Seyoon Choi >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here is the link to download from Mac update.
>>> http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/11582/onyx
>>> Also if you are willing to see what’s taking up most disk storage
>>> space disk utility might do the job. Onyx is more gear towards file
>>> optimization and disk cleanup.
>>> Hope it helps,
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Seyoon Choi
>>> syc20...@gmail.com 
>>> YouTube Video Content Producer
>>> Head of Blindinsider
>>> www.blindinsider.com 
>>> Technology news, podcasts, videos and lifestyle for blind and visually
>>> impaired
>>> 
 On Feb 29, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Brian Fischler >>> > wrote:
 
 Unfortunately I could not find the program you mentioned and just
 bought one that of course does not work with VO, so back to ground
 zero here so if anyone knows of an accessible program that will tell
 you what is taking up space on your computer do let me know just
 something basic as this is getting ridiculous as it should not be
 this hard and take this long to find out what is taking up space on a
 mac. Ridiculous that you even have to get a third party program to do
 this.
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 5:08 PM, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> There is a program called Drive Pulse.
> I think it can do what you want and for me it was quite accessible.
> I don’t remember their site now but i can check it out for you if
> you don’t want to search on google yourself.
> /A
>> On 29 Feb 2016, at 21:10, Brian Fischler > > wrote:
>> 
>> I am a unix dummy and do nor want to mess around in there. Yes,
>> emptying the trash was my first troubleshoot. Read about what to do
>> on cnet and macworld or one of those sites.
>>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 2:50 PM, E.T. >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Don't know of one but when is the last time you dumped the Trash?
>>> I would look at that first.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 11:44 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
 Hey all,
 
 Had not fired up my Mac Air in awhile and I do not keep that much
 on it but all of the sudden it is almost full and I have no clue
 what is taking up so much space. Does anyone know of an
 accessible program that will analyze your hard drive and tell you
 what is taking up so much space. I was surprised to learn they
 suggest a third party program to do this, and there are a ton of
 them but not sure which one may be accessible. Any advice is
 appreciated. Thanks,
 
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Re: Can't synchronize the iCloud NOTES account on my Mac with the NOTES iCloud accounts on my iPhone 6 and iPad Air 2

[Jonathan Cohn]

Apparently there is the possibility if you have a gMail account of getting
the Gmail based notes that are produced on the Macintosh running Yosemite
to be visible to the IOS 9 systems. Look at the internet accounts area and
check if there is a Notes area in your Gmail account. If so enabling this
should make things nice again.


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> The notes format changed with iOS 9 and OS X 10.11 El Capitan.  It’s
> possible you upgraded to the new notes format on only some devices.
>
> Make sure all your software is updated.  Then go to Settings, iCloud on
> iOS or System Preferences, iCloud on the Mac and make sure Notes is turned
> on.  Launch the Notes app on every device and make sure you are upgraded to
> the new format.  It should prompt you to do this automatically.  The
> process is irreversible once started.
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Re: i think my settings are wrong

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,

It is heard to tell what is going on from just your short descriptions. I
think there are two possibilities.

1. Get one of us on the phone so we can hear what your computer is saying.
2. Upgrade to 10.11 using an erase of the disk first, then it will be like
having a completely new computer.

If you want to contact me off list, I would be glad to work you through
this issue. doing a clean install

A clean install is really not that difficult, after starting the install
process, you go into disk utility and tell it to delete the partition where
the operating system is.

On 18 November 2015 at 09:31, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:

> I did that as well, as I said in a previous message, I have a feeling some
> of my settings must be causing this because I checked in voiceover utility
> and a lot of things are checked, when it comes to mouse, keyboard, and
> cursor.  In one section everything is checked.  I’m at a loss, I thought
> I would give the mac another go and now it seems like I’m not going to make
> it.  I can’t afford lessons at this moment.  Paid lessons are not out of
> the question but just not now.  It doesn’t seem like anyone on the list
> can figure it out either.  Sorry for sounding so down but I’m just very
> sad that I cannot seem to progress.
>
> Thanks for listening all
>
> zoe
>
>
>
> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:
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> *Sent:* November-17-15 10:23 PM
> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: i think my settings are wrong
>
>
>
> Try to turn cursor tracking on by pressing vo+shift+F3.
> Control+option+shift+F3. If cursor tracking is on, then let us know, and
> we'll continue troubleshooting.
>
> On 11/17/2015 5:39 PM, Zoe Fiogkos wrote:
>
>   Ok guys all my problems I think are coming from wrong
> settings.  Why do I say this?  Well I’m in voiceover utility and I hear
> initial position of voiceover cursor, so I vo left and I hear keyboard
> focused itempop up button, I vo spacebar and voiceover says your currently
> on a menu item, to choose this item press vo space to close this menu press
> escape.  I press escape and nothing happends.  Someone mentioned the
> cursor tracking might be causing these troubles I’m having well everything
> in this section seems to be checked, what do I do?
>
> I have no idea what to set which way any help
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Re: And Vs. ad: a problem with autocorrect?

[Jonathan Cohn]

It sounds like you are writing in English and your primary language is set
to another language. You could add and into your spelling dictionary, or
make sure that language is set correctly for your current session.

If you bring up the spell correction panel with command-shift-semiCola,
 there is a drop down called automatic by language, if you change this to
English, then auto-correct will use English words.

On 12 December 2015 at 14:01, Antonio Guimaraes 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have ad a problem whenever I write on the Mac where the work “and” gets
> changed to “ad.”
>
> I thought my N key was broken, but changing the keyboard, and years of use
> haven’t fixed the problem.
>
> I waste a bit of time in proofreading to change almost every ad back to
> and.
>
> Anyone else having this problem, and know how to address it?
>
> thanks,
>
> Antonio
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Re: el capitan upgrade pod cast

[Jonathan Cohn]

I believe that if you install MAC OS Server, it will cache installs for
other machines on your network.

On 11 December 2015 at 16:49, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

> The problem with this approach is that each time an update is released,
> you have to recreate the install in order to keep it up to date. Using the
> recovery method, though it takes longer, always installs the newest
> operating system right away.
> Original message:
>
>> You could always download El Capitan from the app store, then use
>> createinstallmedia (in the resources folder) to create a USB installer.
>> Then boot from that and install.
>>
>
> Bill
>>
>>> On Dec 11, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>
> Nice work, Mike.
>>>
>>
> As you discovered, the Erase function of Disk Utility now allows you to
>>> choose the partition scheme.  The Partition function allows you to
>>> partition disks.
>>>
>>
> I love the idea of using the Recovery HD from a USB drive, and I’m glad to
>>> see that the Recovery Disk Assistant still works, but that’s still as many
>>> copies downloaded from the Interwebs as Macs to upgrade.  One of those Macs
>>> would have to be a cache to mitigate this.  For three Macs, you’d only have
>>> to download the operating system twice.
>>>
>>
> In case you missed it, the recovery image was itself updated; I hope you
>>> didn’t do a software update to find that there was a newer image
>>> available.  The update only applies a fixed recovery image, though, and it
>>> would be easy enough to recreate your drive.
>>>
>>
> As to the OS itself, even after 10.11.2, I’m still gritting my teeth a
>>> lot.  I love the hardware-software integration of OS X, but my finger is
>>> still on the Windows button.
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Re: Keyboard issue on Macbook air.

[Jonathan Cohn]

Are you connecting directly to the AIR, or via a USB hub. Also, when
plugging in a USB device the computer does do a bit of processing  before
enabling the device, perhaps you plugged in while the computer was locked
so this processing could not occur, or else you did not wait for it to
occur?

When I plugg non-apple keyboards into my computer it can take several
seconds before it asks me to confirm the modifier key operation.
Best wishes,

Jonathan


On 7 December 2015 at 13:20, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

> Hi!
> I really do not know why this is happening and since its an apple kayboard
> i really get confused.
> I try to connect one of my apple usb keyboards to my macbook air but its
> not working sometimes and sometimes it works.
> The strange thing is that it works flawlessly on my pc and it can’t be the
> usb ports as i have thested them with other devices.
> Its a new macbook too so i really wonder whats going on.
> It is running el capitan latest stable hmm version hmm.
> very odd.
> /A
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scripting column changes in Mail.

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,

As promised, I have written the script that Jonathan Mozen requested. Please 
note, I have only run this twice and only on a Yosemite system, so no promises. 
I put in a little more documentation than most of what I have published, but it 
could use more.

I don’t always get to read MacVisionaries, so write me directly if you need 
support and I will try.
The script sstarts with the use line and ends with “end run” 

-
use Mail : application id "com.apple.mail"

-- This set of statements is all you should need to adjust.
-- this will change the columns for the Family Mailbox of the Google account 
and the Inbox 
to CorrectColumns()
set mb to mailbox "Family" of account "Google"
set col to {attachments column, message status column, subject column, 
from column, date received column}
AdjustMailColumns for mb into col
set mb to mailbox inbox
AdjustMailColumns for mb into col

end CorrectColumns


-- The real meat of the script is below.
--This function takes a folder and a list of columns and attempts to set the 
columns up.
-- If no message viewer is available create one.

on AdjustMailColumns for myBox into ColumnList
try
set myViewer to message viewer 1
set myWindow to window of myViewer
set myWindow's index to 1

on error
set myViewer to make new message viewer
end try
set selected mailboxes of myViewer to {myBox}
set the visible columns of myViewer to ColumnList
end AdjustMailColumns
-- This will make the application specified move to the front.
-- no errors or specific messages are generated on failure.
on MoveToFront(AppName)
try
activate application AppName
tell application "System Events"
set frontmost of process AppName to true
end tell
end try
end MoveToFront

on run {}
MoveToFront("Mail")
CorrectColumns
end run

Best wishes,

Jonathan



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Re: Real quick question about Keynote

[Jonathan Cohn]

The keystroke vo+accent  (the key to the left of number 1 ) might just do this 
but I have no idea exactly how the VO move function works. If you use that 
keystroke with the additions of a space then it should resize.


> On Dec 20, 2015, at 20:26, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I have a slide which is very very basic.  It's just solid white background, 
> with your standard black text, no graphics or anything.
>  
> I have two placeholders in the slide layout area.  I have the title, and the 
> body.
>  
> The problem I'm facing is, I like the title being like it is in its 80PT font 
> by default.  What I don't however like is the fact that Keynote, by default 
> in the theme chooser on the white slide is making my title be about a 4th, 
> uh? hmm. Maybe a little more than a 4th? the way virtically down the slide.  
> So, my only question is, is there a way that I accessibly with Voiceover can 
> somehow take that placeholder... I'm saying the title placeholder... and 
> virtically move it just a little bit up virtically toward the top of the 
> slide?  I don't want to resize the title placeholder.  That, I know how to 
> do.  I just simply want to move it up a little bit on the slide.
>  
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Re: iMac late 2009 memory upgrade

[Jonathan Cohn]

Just to be sure we are on the same page…

On my MacBook where there is a coin slot to unlock the battery, there
is a ram/HD area behind a alumium panel.  This panel is attached with
three philips screws according to Apple documentation.

Jonathan Cohn


On 10/06/2011, Vince Mistretta  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is there more than two screws on bottom memory door?  I loosened the two
> screws on either side but find it still is being hindered by something in
> the middle.
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Re: Move addict now completely accessible

[Jonathan Cohn]

Perhaps the developer could add a system preferences panel to make it
easier to control rather then the contorted opening of the package
contents.  In the mean time, perhaps creating an alias of the
preferences program and dropping that into the applications directory
might work for some ease.  I don't remember enough about how HFS
aliases work, but [perhaps somebody could create a alias and post it
to the list to prevent contortions by  folks while attempting to find
the preference applcation.

Best,

Jon


On 06/07/2010, Slau Halatyn  wrote:
> Since the menu bar portion is not accessible, it is possible to gain access
> to a few features by bringing up the contextual menu on the application
> itself and examining the package contents. There, if you go to the Resources
> folder and open the file named "MoveAddict Preferences.app," the preferences
> window for MoveAddict will open.
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Re: voice over scripts

[Jonathan Cohn]

It might be possible to get to the underlying application objects via
AppleScript and then create a completely new User Interface in Apple
Script to the program.  I would expect this in (except in some limited
cases) to be completely the wrong approach.  If you were able to
reproduce all the User Interactions in the original program using the
AppleScript visible objects then you would be 90% of the way to
retooling the environment into a framework that could not only be
accessable, but would leverage all the standard interactions that
Apple provides to its users.

Accessability for the blind is just one feature that is enable by
converting applications from a private, Adobe, or Darwin framework
into a Darwin framework.

Best regards,

Jon


On 07/07/2010, Cody Hurst  wrote:
> yes, but I doubt they look for accessibility, which they should
>
> On Jul 7, 2010, at 2:02 PM, Sandy Tomkins wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>I apologise in advance if I am missing the point here, but aren't
>> all apps vetted by apple before being approved for the app store? In
>> which case, mightn't the best way, to make sure that all apps are
>> accessible, be to approach Apple, reminding them of their sterling
>> work re Voiceover and encouraging them to include accessibility as
>> part of their vetting procedure?
>>
>>   Just my thoughts,
>>Sandy.
>>
>> On 7/7/10, joseph  wrote:
>>> hi listers,
>>>
>>> how can i make applications accessible with voiceover?
>>>
>>> regards
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Re: Receipt Requests in Mail

[Jonathan Cohn]

Take a look at the full headers for one of the messages that requested
a return receipt.  There should be a header something like
"return-reciept-requested:somewh...@watchmyeverymove.com"

So, you should be able to use this for your rules.  I don't know if
you will be able to extract the address from that field using just
rules, but you could set up a applescript to do this and then link tha
tto your rules.

Best regards,

Jonathan Cohn
Software developer / Consultant




On 14/07/2010, Michael Busboom  wrote:
> This is a great idea.
>
> No, the computers in the office are not connected to an Exchange server,
> so writing a special rule that would only apply to certain individuals'
> e-mail addresses would have to be the approach, I guess.
>
> They wouldn't know when I actually read their note, but they would at
> least know that I received it and this might give them the assurance
> they need ...
>
> Best regards and thanks,
>
> Mike
> P.S. Has anyone in your office written such a rule and would they be
> willing to share it?
>
> On 2010-07-14 09:10, Simon F wrote:
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>>   I spoke with one of my work colleagues today, he is a mac specialist. I
>> asked him if there is a read receipt  in mac mail, he advised me that no
>> there isn't however there is no reason why you couldn't setup a rule to
>> send
>> out an auto response when the email is received within your system.
>>
>>   This can however be a problem if you send a receipt to an out of office
>> alert, which tthen sends back the same out of office alert,  and so on and
>> so on.
>>
>>   So your rule would have to be very carefully written.
>>
>> However, if you use a mac connected to a Microsoft exchange server for
>> email
>> / calendaring etc. you could set the exchange server / your email account
>> up
>> to send out receits for any mail received into your account.
>>
>> Approx. 2000 staff using macs at my work and all of these connect either
>> through EWS or Imap to the exchange server for mail etc and a large number
>> of them use receits for acknowledgement.
>>
>> Just a couple of thoughts.We have
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
>> Sent: Wednesday, 14 July 2010 8:08 a.m.
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Receipt Requests in Mail
>>
>> Mike, I understand that, but how do they use them? Do they send them with
>> every message or expect you to send them with each message? Sounds a
>> little
>> overkill, but I am sure there is a reason.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> On Jul 13, 2010, at 1:36 PM, Michael Busboom wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Actually, I hate them, but my place of employment practically insist on
>>>
>> them.  For me personally, they are useless, and I don't blame Apple for
>> never having implemented the feature.  Nevertheless, I am stuck.
>>
>>> On 12,Jul,2010, at 10:09 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Not to turn this into an endless discussion, but I really am curious if
>>>>
>> people really respond to all of these return receipts or is it something
>> that happens and they have to take no action. I never respond to these
>> because in nearly every case I have to respond to the message, so it would
>> be like replying twice. It would seem that if there was sufficient demand,
>> APple would have implemented this facility into Mail, but apparently its
>> use
>> is not significant.
>>
>>>> On Jul 12, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Michael Busboom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Normally, receipt requests aren't important to me, but they are to the
>>>>>
>> organization for which I work. I'm afraid that if I don't find something,
>> I'll have to do all my mail under Windows which, in my case, is very
>> doable
>> but not desirable.
>>
>>>>> I guess I will need to look for new e-mail clients under Mac OS that
>>>>>
>> work with VO and have the receipt request feature.
>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> On 12,Jul,2010, at 8:24 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I suspect my Mail program sends *something* back to the sender
>>>>>>
>> sometimes--when I land on some messages, it says "Mail has new window," as
>> if it's done some activity very quickly--which I assumed was
>> return-

Re: navigating images o websites

[Jonathan Cohn]

Actually in some cases, jaws will read those verticle lines too...
In your verbosity settings look for:
Document Presentation:
This option controls how JAWS formats virtual documents.
The simple layout is line-by-line format, much as you might see in a
braille book.
Columns in a table follow each other in linear format, with special
representation removed.
The On Screen layout formats text and tables as they appear on screen.
A line contains an entire row, rather than a single cell.  Cell
padding, or borders, are indicated with a | (vertical bar or pipe)
symbol.




On 14/07/2010, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis  wrote:
> On 13 Jul 2010, at 08:51, Chris Moore wrote:
>> I must admit though I do find it annoying that VO reads out vertical line,
>> it is a shame we can't get VO to ignore this character whilst reading HTML
>> pages.
>
> Well, if you go to the VoiceOver Utility, select Speech, then select
> Pronunciation, you can map the vertical line character (|) to a shorter name
> like "pipe", or to similar punctuation like the space character (in which
> case VO reads nothing when it's focused). The mapping can be
> Safari-specific.
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Re: transferring stuff between pc and mac

[Jonathan Cohn]

I believe you don't even need a cross over cable.  Certainly,  I have
connected two Macs with a standard ethernet cable and they recognized
this fact and one side auto-switched the send/transmit pair.  I have
never tried this  with a windows machines, but have done it between
4-5 different Apple lapbooks over the last several years and a eMac.
I am fairly sure I also connected a Tangerine ibook to a MacBookPro
this way.  I would make sure that your wireless is turned off, because
sometimes the wireless will take precedence over this private lan
configuration.

If you are going to purchase hardware, then get an external drive
(firewire if both systems support it) and then after you finish the
transfers, you will have a drive for "TimeMachine" which is quite
handy.  The cross-over cable will get lost and possibly confused in a
desk once your transfer is complete.

Best regaards,

jon


On 12/07/2010, Simon F  wrote:
> A cross over cable takes away the need for a switch or a hub between two
> machines.
>  You should be able to use a crossover cable so long as you setup your
> network addressing correctly on each machine and also setup your sharing on
> each machine so that you know where to  copy the data across to the second
> machine.
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hypnotic Consulting
> Sent: Sunday, 11 July 2010 9:20 a.m.
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: transferring stuff between pc and mac
>
> Josh wrote:
> I heard of something called a network crossover cable. I wonder if it would
> be faster to buy one of those and transfer it that way? Because by doing it
> the other way the 100 gigs of stuff will be transferring over
>
>
> Yes, I'm not sure if they all do this or if it's a specific one that you can
> get without having to config anything. It's about twenty bucks.
> You should be able to find it with a google search.
> Otherwise, I transfer over a gig or two and it takes about 10 to 20 mins.
> Jorge
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Re: READING MESSAGES IN THREADED VIEW.

[Jonathan Cohn]

I am not sure exactly what you are asking  I do want to put one
word of caution out there.  If somebody replys to a message, and then
changes the subject the message will usually still show in the
original thread.  This is because there are headers in the e-mail that
are used for the threading ("In-reply-to" & Reference should be the
exact headers)Most mail tools us e these headers, but GMAIL does
not.


Best regards,

Jon

On 19/07/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> I jsut hit enter on the msg  I was on last.
>
> Take care.
>
> S
> On Jul 19, 2010, at 4:45 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>
>> Hi All.
>>
>> I now read my messages in threaded view as I prefer it.
>>
>> However I have one question.
>>
>> Once you have replied to a message your message appears at the end of all
>> the messages you've read.
>>
>> However, if you just want to read your message without opening the thread
>> again, how do you do that please?
>>
>> Kawal.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> Kawal Gucukoglu
>>
>> (E-mail/MSN):
>>
>> kawal_gucuko...@sent.com
>>
>> (Skype ID):
>>
>> kawalgucukoglu
>>
>> (Mobile/Text):
>>
>> +447905618396
>>
>> +447576240421
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Re: Safari troubles, when navigating to a previous page

[Jonathan Cohn]

There is an option to go to top of page on new web sites...  perhaps
this is causing  your concerns?  I have not attempted to uncheck this
and see what the behavior is.  I do on occasion use VO-command-1 for
this functionality.  This would however be a little limiting.


On 19/07/2010, Alfredo  wrote:
> I will try the pressing Enter+Control key, to open a link in a new
> tab, then closing the tab will get me back to I was previously.  I
> will also send an email to apple about this problem.  I do navigate
> header by header to bypass all the advertisements.  Recently I have
> adapted to using the quick nav features, which makes navigating on
> websites so much easier.  I have used the item rotor to filter links
> and forms controls whcih makes navigating easier if quick nav does not
> do the job.  I do need to be or like to be back tot he palce I was in
> the previous webpage, though.
> Alfredo
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Re: using a hard drive for multiple back ups?

[Jonathan Cohn]

I am fairly certain that Time Machine places all the backup
information into a very specific directory on your back-up  drive.  If
this is the case, and if this directory does not exist on your Primary
disk then you should be OK.

I know that Carbon Copy can co-exist if it is run first.  Perhaps you
want to get a coppy of the take Control book on backups.  Take control
books are 50% off this week.

(Read the instructions in Tidbits.com for how to get the discount).

Jon
[And no, I get no kickbacks from the Tidbits /  Take Control  group, I
have just found them always to be useful and current]


On 21/07/2010, Chris Blouch  wrote:
> I didn't see any replies to this yet. I haven't used carbon copy cloner.
> Does it make it's backup into a single file? If so you could probably
> store that on the 1TB drive. That said, Time Machine's backup folder
> simply stores incremental backups until it fills up the volume and then
> starts deleting the oldest backups. So sooner or later that volume will
> fill up. I just put a 2TB drive in my other machine for TM backups and
> partitioned it into two 500GB volumes and a 1TB volume. The two 500s I
> use for two time machine backups, my laptop over the network and the
> local machine. Then the 1TB volume is just for general use. That seems
> to work well. I haven't done enough re-partitioning to know if you can
> resize or  not without losing data. Even if you did, you could just run
> another time machine backup after you're done. Chances of failure of
> your machine at the same time that you're reconfiguring backups is
> pretty small. Because everything should just be files on the backup
> volume you shouldn't have anything stepping on anything.
>
> CB
>
> Mary Otten wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I have a 1 tb hard drive which is being used by time machine. But I would
>> also really like to have a bootable back up, and I know TM does not do
>> this. I have carbon copy cloneer, which will make bootable back ups.
>> Question is, and perhaps its a stupid one, are the applications smart
>> enough not to step on each others data? If the drive were partitioned,
>> that would be an obvious way to solve the problem. But it isn't, and I've
>> got several months worth of time machine backups on it already, so should
>> think partitioning at this time would not be possible without data loss.
>> is that correct?
>> Mary
>>
>>
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Re: using a hard drive for multiple back ups?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Sarah,

No, I have done this and there were no issues.  (including doing a
restore.)  My wife's computer generally does not have time machine on
it, but before  doing a maintenace I was able to save everything and
then restore it.  Also, when my daughter went to college I was able to
migrate just her user account from the time machine backup onto her
college computer.

Chris,  I believe that a disk sparse image is actually a package with
several files hidden in one directory.  I had read an article that
using sparse disk images is a good way to keep some materials on your
computer more secure.  You can set an encription for the sparse disk
image.  But since it is actually several files under the hood,
TimeMachine can just backup the sectors that changed rather then the
entire image.

Best regards,

jon


On 28/07/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> What if you hook your time capsul to someone else's computer and run time
> machine on there's? will you loose your  back up?
> On Jul 28, 2010, at 12:16 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>
>> A time machine backup will live in the folder Backups.backupdb when
>> backups are run locally. When run over a network Time Machine creates a
>> disk image called ComputerName.sparseimage which seems to be one giant
>> file.
>>
>> CB
>>
>> Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>>> I am fairly certain that Time Machine places all the backup
>>> information into a very specific directory on your back-up  drive.  If
>>> this is the case, and if this directory does not exist on your Primary
>>> disk then you should be OK.
>>>
>>> I know that Carbon Copy can co-exist if it is run first.  Perhaps you
>>> want to get a coppy of the take Control book on backups.  Take control
>>> books are 50% off this week.
>>>
>>> (Read the instructions in Tidbits.com for how to get the discount).
>>>
>>> Jon
>>> [And no, I get no kickbacks from the Tidbits /  Take Control  group, I
>>> have just found them always to be useful and current]
>>>
>>>
>>> On 21/07/2010, Chris Blouch
>>> 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I didn't see any replies to this yet. I haven't used carbon copy cloner.
>>>> Does it make it's backup into a single file? If so you could probably
>>>> store that on the 1TB drive. That said, Time Machine's backup folder
>>>> simply stores incremental backups until it fills up the volume and then
>>>> starts deleting the oldest backups. So sooner or later that volume will
>>>> fill up. I just put a 2TB drive in my other machine for TM backups and
>>>> partitioned it into two 500GB volumes and a 1TB volume. The two 500s I
>>>> use for two time machine backups, my laptop over the network and the
>>>> local machine. Then the 1TB volume is just for general use. That seems
>>>> to work well. I haven't done enough re-partitioning to know if you can
>>>> resize or  not without losing data. Even if you did, you could just run
>>>> another time machine backup after you're done. Chances of failure of
>>>> your machine at the same time that you're reconfiguring backups is
>>>> pretty small. Because everything should just be files on the backup
>>>> volume you shouldn't have anything stepping on anything.
>>>>
>>>> CB
>>>>
>>>> Mary Otten wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I have a 1 tb hard drive which is being used by time machine. But I
>>>>> would
>>>>> also really like to have a bootable back up, and I know TM does not do
>>>>> this. I have carbon copy cloneer, which will make bootable back ups.
>>>>> Question is, and perhaps its a stupid one, are the applications smart
>>>>> enough not to step on each others data? If the drive were partitioned,
>>>>> that would be an obvious way to solve the problem. But it isn't, and
>>>>> I've
>>>>> got several months worth of time machine backups on it already, so
>>>>> should
>>>>> think partitioning at this time would not be possible without data
>>>>> loss.
>>>>> is that correct?
>>>>> Mary
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: questions about skype

[Jonathan Cohn]

One question that did not get answered was "how do I see what contacts
are online?".  My macintosh is not available for me to verify, but
there should be a menu that lets you select predefined groups of
contacts and one of these is Online contacts.

If you have not found this by Monday, you can write me offlist at
jonc...@cox.net and I will verify how I got a grouping of online
contacts.

Best regards,

Jon


On 21/07/2010, Chris Moore  wrote:
> Sadly I do not think there is a way of sending the labels from my Voice
> Over, I had to get sighted assistance to label them.  I did write to Skype
> asking them to consider labelling them in future and did get a nice email
> back.  So let's hope this is included in future updates.
>
>
> I think the first unlablled button is Show Skype services, the second will
> then be Show History, then there is a dim image and then 3 other images, not
> sure what these images do or for, then Edit Profile button, then Add Contact
> button and the last button I called Skype Out as it enables you to call
> mobiles and landlines etc.
>
> I hope this helps and if anyone can chip in to improve what I have wrote
> then please do.
>
> cHRIS
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Re: status menus messed up

[Jonathan Cohn]

There are three major modes for the arrow keys.
1. VO lock.
2. Standard arrows
3. QuickNav.

I am assuming you have quickNav on?  If this is the case try typing
the left arrow and the up arrow at the same time until VoiceOver says
Navigation.  See if that solves your problem.

Also,  I have on occasion found that the Status menus appear to be
unreachable from VO and when this occurs turning Voice Over off and
then back on usually helps.

Best reagards,

Jon


On 30/07/2010, Josh Kennedy  wrote:
> Hi
> Somehow I messed up voiceover. when I'm in mail and press arrow keys to edit
> my message up and down arrow move me by character and left and right move me
> up and down lines. Also in the status menu control f8 menus I cannot hit
> left arrow over to clock. it just beeps at me. I wonder what I did to cause
> this?
>
> Josh Kennedy
> jkenn...@gmail.com
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Re: track pad gesture questions

[Jonathan Cohn]

The function you were talking about is for navigating tables.  If you
wantto scan through the Subject of your e-mail's and not accidently
start reading the sender, then you could hold down this key and the
VoiceOver cursor will remain in the column you currently are in. (much
like using the down arrow does, but a bit faster)

Best regards,

Jon


On 30/07/2010, Chris Moore  wrote:
> I can answer one of these, yes you can add more functionality, you use the
> existing gestures but with a modifier key pressed (such as control, or
> whatever you wish) and then you assign an action to a gesture.  This is all
> done within the Voice Over utility under commanders, trackpad.  No scripting
> involved what so ever.
>
> Chris
> On 30 Jul 2010, at 14:58, Mary Otten wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>> In anticipation of the arrival of my magic track pad some time next  week,
>> I had a look at the article on the Apple website that gives a list of
>> voice over gestures in snow leopard. I didn't exactly understand what one
>> of them does, or at least, when you'd use it. It is the one to force voice
>> over into a straight line by dragging a finger horizontally or vertically
>> , I think while holding down one of the keyboard keys, control? What does
>> this actually do? I wondered also if it is possible to get an actual mouse
>> click on the track pad while using voice over. Do you have to turn vo
>> gestures off and then double tap? And, last one, I thought I remembered
>> somebody on this list talking about their ability to add more gestures
>> than what has been programmed into the track pad commander and mentioned
>> in that Apple list. Maybe that was using apple scripts, beyond my
>> abilities at this point. Clarification would be great.
>>
>> mary
>> Mary Otten
>> motte...@gmail.com
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Re: changing the email to which the email for ical events are changed

[Jonathan Cohn]

Do you et any error messages?  Are you trying to do this with
AppleScript, or with the notifications section of iCal?

Best regards,

Jon


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> Ok I want to try and schedule an outgoing message in ical and the 2 mb
> scripts in mail fail constantly. Is there something i can do on my own for
> this?
>
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Re: Mail Navigation Tips and Take Control Books 50% off till August 3rd {was Re: mail navigation questions]

[Jonathan Cohn]

Gmail and IMAP are a strange combination when working together.
GMAILusually has the philosophy of keeping every message in a
everything message.  There is a document on the Google web site that
says something to the extent...

Do not check the box to move deleted messages to the trash as this
will cause messages to be deleted from all folders in your gmail
account.  I interpret this as ...

As long as you only want your messages to have only one active label,
it is OK to have imap move the messages into your trash folder. Make
sure the Gmail/trash folder is actually marked as "use this folder for
trash" as found in the Mailboxes menu.

Best regards,

Jon


On 29/07/2010, annelie robledo  wrote:
> The poster of the original message has the issue where the mail isn't being
> deleted from the goggle accept. Does any one know how to fix this? I am
> having same problem.
> On Jul 29, 2010, at 8:21 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>
>> You can hit cmd semicolon for spell checking in the document or cmd shift
>> semicolon to spell check using the spell check dialogue If you hit cmd
>> shift semicolon you can bring up a context menu to see the words or type
>> the right one.
>>
>> S
>> On Jul 29, 2010, at 5:36 PM, Scott E. Ford wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you everyone this really helps.  How do you suggest that one uses
>>> the spell checker?  In windows I can use hot keys are there similar
>>> functions on the Mac?  Thanks in advanced.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Scott
>>> On Jul 29, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Esther wrote:
>>>
 Hi Scott,

 I'm late to this thread, but I'll add a couple of other suggestions.  In
 addition to using the sort command (VO-Shift-Backslash for English input
 keyboards; VO-H twice to get the VoiceOver Commands menu and select
 "Sort Column" for non-English keyboards that don't have a "Backslash"
 key), to reorder any of the columns in Mail's "Message Viewer" table
 (such as "Date Received"), you can move to the top or bottom of the
 table by holding down Option+Up Arrow or Option+Down Arrow keys and
 waiting just a short bit.  (Donna Goodin got this tip from the
 Accessibility team).

 Also, even if you don't use threaded mode to view your mail, you can
 move to the next or previous post in a thread by holding down the Option
 key and tapping either the down arrow or up arrow key (results of
 whether you get the "previous" or "next" post with up or down arrow
 depend on how you've sorted your mail display).

 Finally, this goes beyond your question of VoiceOver specific operations
 with Mail, but a very good guide to the way that the Mail Application
 works is "Take Control of Apple Mail in Snow Leopard".  The Take Control
 guides and their discounted bundles are on sale for 50% off through
 August 3rd.  These guides are all available at modest prices (typically
 $10 - $15 list price) in DRM-free, downloadable PDF format.  And now
 they're available in ePub format as well, if you want to read your
 purchase in iBooks on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch, as well as in
 Preview.  You get access to all minor version updates for free.  Some of
 their guides have information I've never seen covered at the same level
 in any other resource -- for example, "Take Control of Your 802.11n
 AirPort Network" for setting up wireless networks, or "Take Control of
 Mac OS X Backups", or "Take Control of MobileMe".  Esoteric questions
 about File Sharing methods (e.g. with Windows devices) are also handled
 in these books.  The web site typically offers free samples of the
 books, as well as extensive descriptions, so you can decide whether a
 particular book is likely to be useful to you.


 Cheers,

 Esther

 On Jul 29, 2010, Scott E. Ford wrote:

> Thanks again linda,
>   I had to have my Daughter do it and she could not make it happen until
> she shut down voice over, however she was able to get it.  Thanks
> again.
> Sincerely,
> Scott
>
> On Jul 29, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
>
>> Scott,
>>
>> I haven't done this myself, but here are some instructions for
>> removing the preview pane from Anne Robertson, a frequent and helpful
>> contributor to this list.
>>
>> Navigate to the horizontal splitter above the message body
>> Bring the mouse to the VO cursor  (VO command F5)
>> Double click with the physical mouse.
>>
>> I haven't gotten a handle on clicking the mouse so if you need
>> directions on this, let the list know and I'm certain someone else
>> will step up to the plate.
>>
>> Linda
>>
>> On Jul 29, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Scott E. Ford wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you so much Linda,
>>> Man that makes such a differntce.  As I was making the changes I
>>> discovered the message area.  When I last used mail I was able to get
>>> r

Re: Mail Navigation Tips and Take Control Books 50% off till August 3rd {was Re: mail navigation questions]

[Jonathan Cohn]

On 30/07/2010, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> Gmail and IMAP are a strange combination when working together.
> GMAILusually has the philosophy of keeping every message in a
> everything message.  There is a document on the Google web site that
> says something to the extent...
>
> Do not check the box to move deleted messages to the trash as this
> will cause messages to be deleted from all folders in your gmail
> account.  I interpret this as ...
>
> As long as you only want your messages to have only one active label,
> it is OK to have imap move the messages into your trash folder. Make
> sure the Gmail/trash folder is actually marked as "use this folder for
> trash" as found in the Mailboxes menu.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jon
>
>
> On 29/07/2010, annelie robledo  wrote:
>> The poster of the original message has the issue where the mail isn't
>> being
>> deleted from the goggle accept. Does any one know how to fix this? I am
>> having same problem.
>> On Jul 29, 2010, at 8:21 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>
>>> You can hit cmd semicolon for spell checking in the document or cmd
>>> shift
>>> semicolon to spell check using the spell check dialogue If you hit cmd
>>> shift semicolon you can bring up a context menu to see the words or type
>>> the right one.
>>>
>>> S
>>> On Jul 29, 2010, at 5:36 PM, Scott E. Ford wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you everyone this really helps.  How do you suggest that one uses
>>>> the spell checker?  In windows I can use hot keys are there similar
>>>> functions on the Mac?  Thanks in advanced.
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Scott
>>>> On Jul 29, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Esther wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Scott,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm late to this thread, but I'll add a couple of other suggestions.
>>>>> In
>>>>> addition to using the sort command (VO-Shift-Backslash for English
>>>>> input
>>>>> keyboards; VO-H twice to get the VoiceOver Commands menu and select
>>>>> "Sort Column" for non-English keyboards that don't have a "Backslash"
>>>>> key), to reorder any of the columns in Mail's "Message Viewer" table
>>>>> (such as "Date Received"), you can move to the top or bottom of the
>>>>> table by holding down Option+Up Arrow or Option+Down Arrow keys and
>>>>> waiting just a short bit.  (Donna Goodin got this tip from the
>>>>> Accessibility team).
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, even if you don't use threaded mode to view your mail, you can
>>>>> move to the next or previous post in a thread by holding down the
>>>>> Option
>>>>> key and tapping either the down arrow or up arrow key (results of
>>>>> whether you get the "previous" or "next" post with up or down arrow
>>>>> depend on how you've sorted your mail display).
>>>>>
>>>>> Finally, this goes beyond your question of VoiceOver specific
>>>>> operations
>>>>> with Mail, but a very good guide to the way that the Mail Application
>>>>> works is "Take Control of Apple Mail in Snow Leopard".  The Take
>>>>> Control
>>>>> guides and their discounted bundles are on sale for 50% off through
>>>>> August 3rd.  These guides are all available at modest prices
>>>>> (typically
>>>>> $10 - $15 list price) in DRM-free, downloadable PDF format.  And now
>>>>> they're available in ePub format as well, if you want to read your
>>>>> purchase in iBooks on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch, as well as in
>>>>> Preview.  You get access to all minor version updates for free.  Some
>>>>> of
>>>>> their guides have information I've never seen covered at the same
>>>>> level
>>>>> in any other resource -- for example, "Take Control of Your 802.11n
>>>>> AirPort Network" for setting up wireless networks, or "Take Control of
>>>>> Mac OS X Backups", or "Take Control of MobileMe".  Esoteric questions
>>>>> about File Sharing methods (e.g. with Windows devices) are also
>>>>> handled
>>>>> in these books.  The web site typically offers free samples of the
>>>>> books, as well as extensive descriptions, so you can decide whether a
>>>>> particular bo

Developing accessable websites with jQuery UI

[Jonathan Cohn]

A friend has started developing a website with a good bit of user
interaction, and is using the jQuery UI to create Combo boxes and
other folrm fields.  Are there any elements he should avoid  to ensure
maximum accessablility?
X

Thanks,

Jon
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Programming for VoiceOver

[Jonathan Cohn]

Scott,

I don't know a lot about this, but essentially any program that uses
the COCOA frameworks and also lables components when using the GUI
builder should be Voice Over accessable.  I expect Chris knows a bit
about the way HTML rendering occurs.  Also, dialog boxes and other
controls that Apple Script creates are accessable with VoiceOver.  I
wonder about the  how difficult the Network Utility was to write
(ping/port scan/ whois / traceroute ) I could see creating something
like that for using SVN and other CLI based tools.

In the case of mozilla, they use a completely different Web rendering
engine, so I would expect the whole thing would need to have a
converter in front of it.
Jon


On 15/09/2010, Scott Granados  wrote:
> How difficult is it to code an application to work effectively with VO?  I'm
> wondering what the mozilla hold up is?  Does it mean just compiling in some
> libraries or is there a great deal of work that has to take place?
>
> Thanks
> Scott
>
> On Sep 15, 2010, at 1:58 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>
>> The reason Firefox will not work with Voice OVer is because Mozilla has
>> not coded it for that yet.
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Re: strange problem with my MPB15

[Jonathan Cohn]

Do a search of firmware updates.  My memory is that the triple beep is
for an upgrade of firmware where the the installer puts special code
on the disk  that is read at boot up time to rebuild the firmeware.
Sighted folks would just have to wait out the 3-4 minutes required for
the firmeware to be re-written.
Best regards,

Jon


On 20/09/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> I dunno. Is there a site you can look up with the beep codes are on the mac
> bios? if the mac even has a bios? lol! I'm taking a stab here btw.
>
> S
> On Sep 20, 2010, at 8:33 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
>
>> Hi, folks.
>>
>> Just now, after an intense session of playing AudioQuake on line, my MBP
>> running Leopard crashed and wouldn't respond.  I shut it down by holding
>> down the power button, which was the only thing that worked.  When I
>> turned it back on again, it made three short beeps in a row, then repeated
>> this until I turned it off again.
>>
>> Every time I tried to turn it on after that, for the next 15 or so
>> minutes, it did the same thing; three short beeps and no chime or drive
>> activity.  Then, suddenly, for no reason, it works, and is working fine
>> now.
>>
>> I couldn't read any error message that might have been displayed during
>> the malfunctioning time.  Any one know what three short beeps and no
>> boot-up means, and what needs replacing among the hardware or what I need
>> to do?  It sounds serious, and I'm fully backed up, but if my MPB15
>> (running Leopard, and VoiceOver was turned *OFF* at the time of this
>> incident) is the only computer I have and the nearest Apple store is an
>> insane distance from here...
>> Thanks for any info! :)
>>
>>
>> • Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>> • AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
>> • MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
>> • My home page:
>> • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
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Re: Useful hint for terminal users "open -f"

[Jonathan Cohn]

It is more likely that I didn't write the command correcI will test my
command with a cut and paste from home to ensure Iformatted it
correctly.  It should'nt take more then 3 seconds.

Jon
instantaenious.

On 23/09/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> Hmm how long does this process of manual creation last?  I waited about 1 to
> 2 minutes and text edit did not open with the manual for the say command.
>
> Take care. Maybe I'm not patient enough.
>
> S
> On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:37 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
>
>> I was playing around with making fun of "droid" adds. So I created a sound
>> file...
>>
>> say -o droiddead.aiff -v cello  "droid. is. dead. Long live I Phone"
>>
>> I thought hmm,  I should be able to open this from the termial  and not
>> have to switch to the finder.
>>
>> In the process, I discoverd that there is a -f option to open that we will
>> find useful.
>>
>> An example but not too usefull.
>>
>> man say | open -f
>>
>> This command will create a manual for the "say" command and then open that
>> manual in textedit (or perhaps your preferred text editor ).
>>
>> Have fun with this,
>>
>> Jon
>>
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Re: A Quick Question About The Multi-Touch Trackpad

[Jonathan Cohn]

Mark,

I probably shouldn't bring in a seperate issue here..., but hI
listened to your p'cast on reading mail on the Macintosh, and I don't
get my mail messages to auto-read when they open.  I first have to
interact with the text block.  Have you ever experienced this?  In
Leopard, the message block would read without issue, but since
upgrading, this has not worked for me.
Thanks,

Jon


On 23/09/2010, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> I've disabled the preview pane, and I think Mark has too.
> On Sep 23, 2010, at 7:52 AM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
>
>> Hi Mike and Mark:
>> Perhaps it's because I haven't disabled preview pane.  I am able  to open
>> and close messages with ctl-mouse-click, much as one would with VO-j.
>> It's the only reason I can think of, as I didn't even realize I've been
>> viewing preview pane.  HMMM, always learning.
>>
>> Carolyn
>> On Sep 22, 2010, at 11:57 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mike.
>>>
>>> Yes, I have come to that same conclusion.  I don't know, it seemed that
>>> since one can do so many things from the TrackPad actually opening an
>>> email message should be one of them.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>> On Sep 22, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>>
 I don't think double tapping the track pad will open the message, to do
 that, just press enter and then use command w to close the window and
 return to the in box.
 On Sep 22, 2010, at 2:57 AM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> This may be obvious to some but...
>
> I find that I'm using my TrackPad more and more to interact with Apple
> Mail.
>
>
> All works wonderfully well except I cannot seem to open emails with the
> TrackPad.  Can this be done?
>
> Please keep in mind that I do not use the Preview Pane, thus,
> VoiceOver+J is
> not an option.
>
> Presently, I press the [ENTER] key on my keyboard to open threaded
> messaging.
>
> I've tried pressing down on the TrackPad when the Message is selected
> but
> this does not cause the thread to open.
>
> Thank you in advance,
>
> Mark
>
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Re: How To Get VoiceOver To Automatically Read Messages in Apple Mail

[Jonathan Cohn]

Mark,

I had listened to your pod cast sufficiently well.  There was a
missing item in things that need to happen, and even after that not
all items in mail will read immediately after they are opened in a
separate window.

The item that you were missing is in the Voice Over Utility.

If you uncheck (as is the default)
"Automatically select items in lists and tables." then the automatic
reading never works in addition, any "RSS" items in mail appear to
never read automatically using your method.

Just as an FYI since I believe MIke mentioned it, having the preview
pane on / off does not make a difference in automatic reading
according to my tests.

Best wishes,

Jon
 new e-mail mail messages.

The case where
On 25/09/2010, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello Jonathan,
>
> First, I changed the subject line to better reflect the discussion in which
> we are now engaging.
>
> 2.
> In my podcast on this subject, I demonstrate how to change the default email
> header preferences in Apple Mail so that messages will once again, just as
> in previous versions of the Mac OS, begin reading automatically.
>
>
> <http://mark.candleshoreblog.com/2010/08/20/ep59-how-to-optimize-the-macinto
> sh-mail-application-for-use-with-voiceover/> Please Click Here to take
> another listen to the episode.
>
> Mark
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 12:17 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A Quick Question About The Multi-Touch Trackpad
>
> Mark,
>
> I probably shouldn't bring in a seperate issue here..., but hI
> listened to your p'cast on reading mail on the Macintosh, and I don't
> get my mail messages to auto-read when they open.  I first have to
> interact with the text block.  Have you ever experienced this?  In
> Leopard, the message block would read without issue, but since
> upgrading, this has not worked for me.
> Thanks,
>
> Jon
>
>
> On 23/09/2010, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> I've disabled the preview pane, and I think Mark has too.
>> On Sep 23, 2010, at 7:52 AM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mike and Mark:
>>> Perhaps it's because I haven't disabled preview pane.  I am able  to open
>>> and close messages with ctl-mouse-click, much as one would with VO-j.
>>> It's the only reason I can think of, as I didn't even realize I've been
>>> viewing preview pane.  HMMM, always learning.
>>>
>>> Carolyn
>>> On Sep 22, 2010, at 11:57 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Mike.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I have come to that same conclusion.  I don't know, it seemed that
>>>> since one can do so many things from the TrackPad actually opening an
>>>> email message should be one of them.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>> On Sep 22, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't think double tapping the track pad will open the message, to do
>>>>> that, just press enter and then use command w to close the window and
>>>>> return to the in box.
>>>>> On Sep 22, 2010, at 2:57 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This may be obvious to some but...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I find that I'm using my TrackPad more and more to interact with Apple
>>>>>> Mail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All works wonderfully well except I cannot seem to open emails with
> the
>>>>>> TrackPad.  Can this be done?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please keep in mind that I do not use the Preview Pane, thus,
>>>>>> VoiceOver+J is
>>>>>> not an option.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Presently, I press the [ENTER] key on my keyboard to open threaded
>>>>>> messaging.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've tried pressing down on the TrackPad when the Message is selected
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> this does not cause the thread to open.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you in advance,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
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Re: getting mail to stop saying "Thread."

[Jonathan Cohn]

Did you put something in the dictionary?

On 27/09/2010, Kevin Reeves  wrote:
> Hey folks. In mail, I have all my messages grouped by thread. On one of
> these machines, I was able to get vo to stop saying "Thread" every time it
> encounter one in mail. I somehow got it to just say "Collapsed" and
> "Expanded." However, I can't remember how I did it so I can duplicate that
> on the laptop. I already know it's a thread if it says collapsed. Just that
> word alone slows me down when scanning through huge lists of messages. If
> anyone remembers how to do this, I'd really appreciate it. I've looked in
> the custom verbosity dialog, but nothing there regarding threads. Thanks so
> much for any help you could provide.
>
> Kevin
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Re: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver

[Jonathan Cohn]

It would be interesting to test the new version of Office with Dragon
Dictate, David Pogue in his review last week of the new Dragon said
that Dragon was unable to track the insertion point within Microsoft
Word.  I assumed this was because of MS using the Darwin  framework
instead of the Cocoa framework.  So give that MS 2010 text can not be
accessed by Voice OVer, what is the chance that Dictate could get its
dragon paws into the text?

Good night,

Jon


On 26/09/2010, gkearney  wrote:
> It is interesting to note that the ribbons were accessible, much of
> the user interface is as well. It is the main content areas that are
> not accessible.
>
> Greg
>
> On Sep 27, 6:16 am, "Dave Taylor"  wrote:
>> I bet that if they tried, they would soon realise that the ribbons would
>> be
>> difficult if not impossible to implement with VO anyway. As it is, their
>> insistence on these awful things is one of my key drivers for making the
>> switch, though there are many others too. Mike, the podcast where you
>> install Snow Leopard is as good a demonstration as anything of how far
>> things have come on the Mac side, I'm afraid it is the opposite story,
>> almost the reverse story, on the windows side!
>>
>> Cheers
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 11:03 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver
>>
>> I don't think he said it was a beta. It is very disappointing indeed,
>> really, Microsoft has no excuse for this one, it's not like they were not
>> aware of accessibility and voice over, they just chose not to do anything
>> with it. Apple has created a built in screen reader and provided the APIs
>> to
>> make programs accessible, Microsoft has definitely shown their interest in
>> this. At least on the mac, there are alternatives that will handle
>> Microsoft
>> Office files, namely iwork and open office.
>> On Sep 26, 2010, at 3:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>
>> > Hello Greg,
>>
>> > Thank you so much for providing this info.
>>
>> > I cannot begin to relay how sad and disappointed I am at the news of
>> > Microsoft's Office 2011 VoiceOver inaccessibility.
>>
>> > Wow!
>>
>> > You know, when I installed the very first beta of Windows 7, it was
>> > completely accessible.  That is to say, as soon as one launched the
>> > installation program for Windows 7, a very clear voice prompt asked if
>> audio
>> > assistance was required.  This came as a total surprise to me, to say
>> > the
>> > least.  I answered in the affirmative and was able to install Windows 7
>> > without any sighted assistance, whatsoever.  I installed that first beta
>> on
>> > three of my computers.  By the way, the voice that was used to guide me
>> > through the setup was not that of Narrator--it was much clearer.
>>
>> > Astonishingly, with the release of the next beta of Windows 7, this
>> feature
>> > was removed.  I was shocked, disappointed, and angry, to say the least.
>> >
>>
>> > It was then that I began considering purchasing a Macintosh.
>>
>> > It's been much too long to recall how I came to learn Microsoft's reason
>> for
>> > removing this feature but they said they removed it for security
>> > concerns;
>> > to which I exclaim, "TommyRot!"  Or, to put it in the vernacular,
>> > "That's a load of crap"
>>
>> > Greg, is it possible that the final release of Office 2011 will be
>> VoiceOver
>> > accessible?  I mean, you reviewed a beta, did you not?  Perhaps I'm just
>> > grasping at straws, eh?  (Smile)
>>
>> > Thanks again for giving us a proverbial "heads-up" on this one.
>>
>> > Most Sincerely,
>>
>> > mark
>> > -
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney
>> > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:22 AM
>> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; macvoiceo...@freelists.org; Mary
>> > Beth
>> > Janes; Mike Shebanek
>> > Subject: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver
>>
>> > It is my sad duty to report that after getting a chance to test
>> > Microsoft
>> > Office 2011 for Mac that it is no more accessible in this version than
>> > in
>> > any of the previous versions. As in the past it is impossible to
>> > interact
>> > with any of the content areas of the program. You are not able to
>> > review,
>> > read or edit the text area in Word or Excel.
>>
>> > It should not be clear to all that Microsoft has no intention of ever
>> fixing
>> > these issues. I communicated directly with Microsoft over the same
>> > failing
>> > in Office 2008. The fact that after a complete rewire of the programs
>> > they
>> > remain inaccessible to the built in screen reader of the OS to me speak
>> > volumes about Microsoft's total lack of commitment to accessibility on
>> > the
>> > Macintosh platform and may well speak to Microsoft's g

Re: Useful hint for terminal users "open -f"

[Jonathan Cohn]

Sarah,

Did you get it to work?  Note there are two special characters in the
command, these are important to get right...

1. There is a "pipe" or "OR bar" as some might call it, (In US
keyboards it is a shifted back slash). This was between say and open.
This command is used in terminal to say send all the output from the
left side into the right side. (I hope that simplification makes
sense.

2. A minus sign in front of the f.  the minus sign makes the f an
option instead of a file name argument.

HTH
Best wishes,

Jon


On 24/09/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> I think I got it but not sure. it opened something but my text edit window
> was blank. I'll look again when I get home.
>
> S
> On Sep 24, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>
>> It is more likely that I didn't write the command correcI will test my
>> command with a cut and paste from home to ensure Iformatted it
>> correctly.  It should'nt take more then 3 seconds.
>>
>> Jon
>> instantaenious.
>>
>> On 23/09/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>>> Hmm how long does this process of manual creation last?  I waited about 1
>>> to
>>> 2 minutes and text edit did not open with the manual for the say command.
>>>
>>> Take care. Maybe I'm not patient enough.
>>>
>>> S
>>> On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:37 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was playing around with making fun of "droid" adds. So I created a
>>>> sound
>>>> file...
>>>>
>>>> say -o droiddead.aiff -v cello  "droid. is. dead. Long live I Phone"
>>>>
>>>> I thought hmm,  I should be able to open this from the termial  and not
>>>> have to switch to the finder.
>>>>
>>>> In the process, I discoverd that there is a -f option to open that we
>>>> will
>>>> find useful.
>>>>
>>>> An example but not too usefull.
>>>>
>>>> man say | open -f
>>>>
>>>> This command will create a manual for the "say" command and then open
>>>> that
>>>> manual in textedit (or perhaps your preferred text editor ).
>>>>
>>>> Have fun with this,
>>>>
>>>> Jon
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Re: bluetooth headsets

[Jonathan Cohn]

 I had issues three or four years ago with bluetooth and reading by
paragraph, my preferred reading style.  It seemed that the bluetooth device
cut off the first sylable of each prase spoken as the bootooth device
powered back up.  I expect this was an issue with the specific headset
vendor I was using, as it happened on both Windows and Macintosh, though it
did not appear to happen on my Windows 6.1 cell phone.
I have heard nothing but good reviews for the AfterShockz blues and I am a
regular user of the AfterShockz wired version so you should be happy with
those.


On 31 March 2013 10:59, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote:

> Hi Robert.
>
> Do you know if they are available in europe.
>
> Best regards Annie.
> On Mar 13, 2013, at 1:28 PM, ROBERT CARTER  wrote:
>
> > I would give serious consideration to the AfterShokz Bluez bone
> conduction headset. The earpieces sit just in front of your ears leaving
> your ears free to hear what is happening in the environment. They are
> comfortable and fully support A2DP. They sound good with VoiceOver. You get
> about six hours of battery life out of them. They are available at
> > http://www.aftershokz.com
> > If you are seriously interested in them, write me off list for more
> information.
> >
> > Robert Carter
> >
> >
> > On Mar 12, 2013, at 11:40 PM, Ricardo Walker 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> The headset must support A2DP.  hth
> >>
> >> Ricardo Walker
> >> rica...@appletothecore.info
> >> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> >> www.appletothecore.info
> >>
> >> On Mar 12, 2013, at 9:23 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm looking for a bluetooth headset, and I remember that in order to
> work well with VoiceOver, they need to comply to some protocol, h2d or
> something like that?
> >>>
> >>> Any info on these gizmos? I don't want or need anything too fancy. I
> just want to use it to hear what I'm typing with the bluetooth keyboard.
> Also, the tangled cord of the apple earbuds is starting to get a little
> agrevating and a wireless earpiece would be welcome.
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Re: Faxing from a Mac

[Jonathan Cohn]

Also, most locations that accept fax will also accept e-mail though there
is the issue that generally e-mail is less secure then a fax.

Most financial institutions have some form of messagingn system built into
their web that should prevent third parties from receiving the information.



On 2 April 2013 10:09, Chris Blouch  wrote:

> I thought you would need a modem to connect your mac to a phone line or
> subscribe to an online faxing service.
>
> CB
>
>
> On 4/2/13 9:29 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
>
>> Hi y'all
>> How do you fax from a MacBook Pro? Do you use Pages or TextEdit? Do you
>> use the print option? Do you have to have any special devices hooked up to
>> your Mac to do it? And, last but not least, do you need special software
>> other than TextEdit or Pages?
>> Regards,
>> Gigi
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: mac keyboard shortcuts, for mail

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,

Hmm,  perhaps I could put my ddwalla out there if anybody wants to
contribute.

I modified the speak sender and subject message script to use the VoiceOver
speech instead of the default TTS.  I also discovered how to turn off  and
on the message preview pane while using AppleScript.

I'll post updates soon.

Currently the speak subject and author scripts speak every selected
messages information in the frontmost window.  Is this how you would expect
it to work? In other words, if a thread is selected it will read the
information for each item in the thread.

I could just pick out the first selected message.

Best regards,

On Apr 2, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Danny Noonan wrote:

I'm surprised stuff like this doesn't happen more like it does with say
jaws. I'd happily pay for solutions that gave this kind of functionality.
It sounds like clever people could make helpful things that people like me
could never do.

This isn't having a go at anyone but just an observation on a difference I
find between mac and apple camps. The number of free and payed scripts for
jfw is huge and usually quite easy to find but so often mac solutions and
info is fragmented and or so highly technical and or obscure that less
advanced users can't understand or implement them.



Danny.

Sent from my iPhone

On 03/04/2013, at 6:30 AM, "Jonathan C. Cohn"  wrote:

Hello,


If this is important to your workflow, I could create something fairly
quickly.


1. Create a "Activity" group for mail.

2. Create AppleScript command to either move VO cursor or speak specific
information.

3. Use keyboard commander to link scripts to keys.

To start open up mail then go back to the finder and look for the following
AppleScript file:

Under the Hard disk Library Scripts Mail "Speak Sender and Subject.scpt"

If you open this file then it will probably open in AppleScript Editor.
Type "command-R' to run the script. If it does what you need then you can
link it to a keyboard commander. If you want separate scripts for subject,
To, Cc, attachments then the script would be edited and added to your home
Library directory.


Jonathan Cohn

jon.c.c...@gmail.com

(703) 573-6956

http://www.linkedin.com/in/JCCohn





On Apr 2, 2013, at 12:56 PM, Mark Baxter wrote:


Vo J will jump you between the messages table and message body in Mail,
thus allowing you to very quickly navigate to the table where that
information is stored.  tab and Shift Tab, with VO navigation, will also do
the same thing.  And, no, I don't think hot spots or landmarks stick in
other than HTML windows.



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Re: MB quirky behavior

[Jonathan Cohn]

Its hard to tell with the limited amount of information you provided.

If this is still occuring, then you need to find an application or window
name from the VO-F1 or activity monitor.

I know that when I login to my system on occasion, the Tech Tool Pro agent
takes the forground window instead of the Finder.  Especially now tha twith
Lion and Mountain Lion defaulting to re-opening all windows of all
applications that were open prior to logging out or shutting down, it can
take a bit for the computer to be fully available on initial login.  This
is worse if you have the minimum amount of memory .
Best wishes,
Jonatan



On 31 March 2013 16:29, Johnny Angel!  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Lately, my 13" mb has been doing some strange things.  If I go into an
> application menu with VO M, I am unable to escape out of that menu bar back
> to my application.  This is common lately.  Today, after booting up, I
> pressed VO D to go to the dock to open mail and a unwanted program was
> opened but had no window but command Q couldn't close that program.  So I
> tried going to the doc again and was successful this time.  However after
> selecting mail, mail did not come to the forground.  So I alt tabbed to get
> to mail.  I then alt tabbed to see if I could close the unwanted program,
> (I'm sorry  I don't remember what program that was), that program did not
> come up in the alt tabbing order.  There has been some other quirky things
> happening lately that I may get to at a later date.  Does anyone have any
> ideas on what is happening with my MB, and does anyone have any corrective
> procedures I can try?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Blessings,
>
> John
>
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> I am born of The forty-second generation
> A new, powerful race, never seen before.
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Re: menu items and voiceover

[Jonathan Cohn]

Eric,

I have also found that turning cursor tracking off sometimes helps with
this.  Unfortunately when cursor tracking is disabled, things are as
confusing (or perhaps more so) then on the windows environment where there
isare a few cursors to track and attempt to keep track.

On 17 April 2013 13:20, eric oyen  wrote:

> guys,
>
> I am having a little issue with voiceover and freed out menu
> items. its seems that voiceover won't read these items and I really need to
> know what they are. any way to work around this?
>
> i am doing a technical report for blind users transistioning from
> a windows (and jaws) environment to OS X and Safari web browser. I am
> trying to look up all the available commands in the menus and their
> associated key combinations (shortcuts). So far, some of the items (that
> are greyed out) are not read by voiceover. Any way to change this behavior?
>
> -eric
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Re: any way to certufy mail using Apple Mail?

[Jonathan Cohn]

I am not sure of the entire process, but Apple Mail does support
S/MIME for encryption and  certification. It looks like the first step
is to import a certificate from a signing authority into keychain.  It
sounds like once that is done, Mail automatically has "sign" and
"crept" functions.  There are some discussions here:

http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20090914071159766

One thing I did notice is that PGP is not compliant with the Apple mail program.

Best wishes,

JOn


On 03/10/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> How do you mean certify email? I'm just a tad lost.
>
> Thanks.
> On Oct 3, 2010, at 1:03 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>
>> Subject line says it all.  How can one cerfify their e-mail using Apple
>> Mail?  Or, is this even an issue with Macs?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>
>> A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!
>>
>> E-Mail:
>> rforetjr at comcast dot net
>> Skype Name:
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Re: help with navigation in html tables

[Jonathan Cohn]

Tables on web pages are most easily navigated when in-group navigation
mode.  When you are in group navigation mode and are in a table, then
the arrow / swipe movements move you as you would expect within the
table.  You would then have to use the interact function to work more
closely within the contents.  There are also a couple of functions on
if you want to specifically have to interact with a table to "see" its
contents.

Best wishes,

Jon


On 03/10/2010, Claus Thøgersen  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to use some of my favorit webforums with voiceover.
>
> On the forums I read, each forum and the threads are in a table. This means
> that I need a way to move around in a table both horizontally and
> vertically. the manual is not very specific on how to do this, so I need
> some more information.
> I have tried interacting with the table but I cannot
> see any advantages by doing it.
>
> For an example of a forum see
> http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=1076
>
>
> Here it would be nice to be able to move down in the collum with  each new
> topic.
>
>
> Claus
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Re: searching a hard drive

[Jonathan Cohn]

Quick and simple.

In finder:
1. command-N (new window)
2. command-shift-C (View computer)
3. command-F (search)

Once you put some search items into the search screen you will find
check box options on how to search. One of these should be to limit
the search to the selected item.

Note: there is a good chance that step #1 above is not necessary.

Best regards,

Jon


On 03/10/2010, louie  wrote:
> Hi all,
> I have three hard drives connected to my Mac.
> I wand to just search one of these hard drives not the hole Mac.
> How do I do the search?
> Thanks for any info.
>
> louie
> louiem...@wavecable.com
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Re: searching a hard drive

[Jonathan Cohn]

command-space can mean a few things:

1. Do a general search in spotlight. (this is what you are thinking of)
2. Switch keyboard internationalization
3. run launcher  app if present.
For this reason, and also because one can not directly navigate to
options to customize the search I recommended the finder method.

Jon


On 03/10/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> I thought that cmd option space also brings up the search but I could be
> mixing it up with something else. I don't use it all that often.
>
> take care.
> On Oct 3, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Esther wrote:
>
>> Hi Louie,
>>
>> Jonathan's answer works (sorry, I was interrupted in typing my answer; I
>> checked there wasn't a reply before I started).  The only thing I would
>> add is that you might want to navigate to the hard drive (or folder on the
>> hard drive) that you want to limit your search to between steps 2 and 3.
>> If you start at a specific location before you do your search with
>> Command+F (which works as does Command+Option+F), one of the options to
>> refine the search will let you select just that location.  HTH.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Esther
>>
>> On Oct 3, 2010, at Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>>
>>> Quick and simple.
>>>
>>> In finder:
>>> 1. command-N (new window)
>>> 2. command-shift-C (View computer)
>>> 3. command-F (search)
>>>
>>> Once you put some search items into the search screen you will find
>>> check box options on how to search. One of these should be to limit
>>> the search to the selected item.
>>>
>>> Note: there is a good chance that step #1 above is not necessary.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>>
>>> On 03/10/2010, louie  wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I have three hard drives connected to my Mac.
>>>> I wand to just search one of these hard drives not the hole Mac.
>>>> How do I do the search?
>>>> Thanks for any info.
>>>>
>>>> louie
>>>> louiem...@wavecable.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: Adium has new window

[Jonathan Cohn]

This usually happens when you are not in the application that opened a
new window.  If you use VO-F1 (twice) and then select Adium you should
hfind a window with a (new) appended to the end.  There might be a
possibility that the window is a "transient" window that disapears
after a couple of seconds. (you know Joshua has logged in ) perhaps.

Best wishes,

Jon


On 04/10/2010, Colin M  wrote:
> Hi Patricia!
> I haven't had this on adium yet myself!
> But in Skype when I go from the main page to the chat window I get the
> message [ Skype has new window ]
> So could this be the same for you, I'm guessing but it might be you are
> already in that new window!
> Does this happen after you've selected a new chat or something!
> hth Colin
> On 4 Oct 2010, at 00:44, patricia solis wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> Adium keeps saying Adium has a new window. How do I open this new window?
>> thanks Patricia
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Re: XCode compile.

[Jonathan Cohn]

Did you buy Snow Leopard as an upgrade, or did it come with yuour
computer?  When upgrading from Leopard to Snow Leopard, the DVD
install does not install the Developer package including XCode and App
Builder.  But if you insert the DVD in the slot after upgrading, then
you will find an installer for the developer system.  I don't recall
getting a DVD with my new MacBook, so I am not sure what the process
is in that case.

Best wishes,

Jon


On 01/10/2010, Scott Granados  wrote:
> You can also check out GCC and the associated tools.  There are Mac ports
> and they are pretty much the standard in the *nix world.
>
>
> On Oct 1, 2010, at 12:21 PM, GEOFF WAALER wrote:
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I wanted to compile a "helloWorld" program in either objective C or C++
>> and apparently am not looking in the right place for for instructions on
>> getting started.
>>
>> The developer site indicates that XCode is included with Snow Leopard,
>> however I don't see it recursing into the application or library folders.
>> I did see folders for sample scripts and a few programming languages in
>> the library folder, but am giving up and thought I'd ask here for help
>> getting going with XCode.
>>
>> TIA for any pointers.
>> Geoff
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Re: #ot configuring network settings with D-Link Extreme?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Too bad, I thought perhaps I would go and by a D-Link and see a whole
new world through my very slow and firewall blocked hotel's "Internet"
connections.

Not  only do they block IMAP, they also block the chat protocol that
Google  and facebook use.  That's OK, my neighbor has file sharing
turned on, and I can wlook at all kinds of interesting things.Sure
am glad that I keep my systems secure though...

Jon



On 04/10/2010, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> That's interesting.  At first my husband and I both thought we were
> imagining it because the router was new. So we actually sat around
> downloading videos and stuff, to see if it was really true.  Good to know we
> weren't hallucinating. :)
> Donna
> On Oct 4, 2010, at 2:16 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>
>> That's exactly what you should expect to see.  That's what I mean by
>> forwarding rate.  Your Dlink forwards or passes the packets from the
>> inside or where your computer is to the outsid or where your connection to
>> your provider is faster than the equivalent linksys.  This has everything
>> to do with the port design, backplain processing and actual routing
>> engine.  The difference is so great it's like buying a whole new faster
>> higher priced service but with out spending the cash with the carrier.
>> I've had several small clients who i moved over and they all had the same
>> experience.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>>
>> On Oct 4, 2010, at 10:55 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know, I've heard the exact same thing about Linksys.  And I will
>>> say that the download speed with the dlink seems noticeably faster.
>>> Donna
>>> On Oct 4, 2010, at 5:07 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>>
 Simon, I have to concur, I would go for the Linksys or an Apple router
 over a DLink any day of the week.
 On Oct 4, 2010, at 4:04 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

> Donna,
>
> Have a look at your router or gateway ip address and use that to log on
> to
> the device.
> But I'd say tak ethe the d-link device back and get a new Linksys
> device.
> I"ve never found d-link to be much good for anything and their
> interface was
> never overly great.
>
>
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: #ot configuring network settings with D-Link Extreme?
>
> Hi all,
>
> Our linksys router broke this week, so we just replaced it with a
> D-Link
> extreme.  But we're having a problem in that our network settings don't
> seem
> to be sticking.  How does one go into the network settings for a D-link
> router, the old httP;//192.168.1.1 doesn't seem to work in this case.
> Thanks,
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Re: Safari frusterations!

[Jonathan Cohn]

 I am regularily switching between webkit and safari, often use google
and have never seen these problems.  Though I have to admit generally,
for doing searchs on my Mac, I type command-l and then hit tab and
enter my search terms.  This avoids opening a web page to just fill in
a form.

Best regards,

Jon


On 04/10/2010, carlene knight  wrote:
> Well, it opens ok, but when you put a search quarry in and hit return or
> Vo/spacebar on the search button, the problem begins.  Vo will constantly
> restart.  Yes, I am using Safari.
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2010, at 1:37 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> Let me guess, you're not using Webkit. That'd explain why your Safari
>> crashes, although I don't even seem to have that problem when using the
>> regular Safari which is pretty interesting. I didn't even know the current
>> site was inaccessible, so to speak.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> On Oct 4, 2010, at 2:40 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>
>>> That's interesting, I've never had this issue with radio buttons, just
>>> used some of those a few minutes ago.
>>> On Oct 3, 2010, at 6:26 PM, carlene knight wrote:
>>>
 The regular Google page doesn't work quite right as Voiceover keeps
 restarting, but the accessible Google site and the sttpgoogle sight work
 fine.  I have problems with radio buttons though if I am trying to fill
 out a form.  That's my biggest bugaboo with Safari.


 On Oct 2, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> Google works fine here, that site that ses the mouse over stuff is
> doable, but you have to root the mouse to the element, then read with
> the VO keys to see whathas changed, the best solution here is to email
> the web master and ask them to use something more accessible, using
> mouse over events can cause problems for any screen reader.
> On Oct 2, 2010, at 8:02 AM, Scott Ford wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>  I am working on a Mac book pro in win 7.  Unfortunately I keep
>> finding myself having to do this.  Part is my inability to completely
>> grasp
>> voice over in a really efficient way.  However I feel to a larger part
>> I
>> cannot get the functionality that I find necearry to complete my work
>> and
>> university assignments.  For example last night I was searching for
>> information on a pelit stove that I am working on.  I found a good and
>> very
>> informative site, however the mouse over functions were completely
>> crazy.
>> Nothing was folloing a sequence that I could replicate, finally just
>> by
>> clicking on every mouse over on the page all of the information was
>> displayed.  I went into windows and discovered that the site was
>> solid.
>> This is only one event.  I very frequently find that this is occurring
>> even
>> in google of all places.  Many times the heading hot key does not
>> function
>> properly.  Can you tell me if you guys are running into similar
>> frustrations?  I find similar troubles with the need for a good word
>> processor and spreadsheet application.  I will not go into details
>> right
>> now, but I too am questioning how long before we can expect a bit more
>> stability and a solid tool for productivity?  I love the sleek design
>> and
>> form factor in the mac, however I am not seeing the craze and
>> mysticism that
>> many folks are embuing the machines with.  I have found the hardware
>> just as
>> pron to wear and tare and failer as on a PC.  I will stop my rant and
>> I
>> really appoligize if I have offended anyone, that was certainly not my
>> intentions.  I just want a bit of a reality check.
>> Sincerely,
>> Scott
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Re: Voiceover dictionary in Apple Script.

[Jonathan Cohn]

The voice over manual has some descriptions of what you can do with
apple script in VoiceOver.  Essentially I think you can do things like
Voice-Over find and read item in voice Over caret.  The really cool
things that you can do in say a jaws script have to be done with UI
agents.  So there is a way to capture when the active wwindow is
changed from say "Mail" to "iChat" , but the VoiceOver appleScript
additions do not provide that functionality.

Was there something specific you were looking at doing?
Jon


On 05/10/2010, GEOFF WAALER  wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> When I open the Apple Script editor and select file -> open dictionary ->
> voiceover.app, the resulting dialog makes absolutely no sense.
>
> There seems to be a view group consisting of three unlabeled check boxes
> that behave like radio buttons since checking one causes the other two to be
> unselected.  There are also groups labeled "back forward" and "text size".
> I tried entering something in the terminology search field but no results
> appeared.
>
> I assumed I might know what to do with items once I found them in the
> dictionary, but perhaps someone could suggest a documentation source?
>
> TIA for any insight and best regards.
> Geoff
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Re: Voiceover dictionary in Apple Script.

[Jonathan Cohn]

The question about the time of day script was answered a while back by
I believe Ester.  The script will be in either /Library or
/system/library
Jon


On 06/10/2010, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> The voice over manual has some descriptions of what you can do with
> apple script in VoiceOver.  Essentially I think you can do things like
> Voice-Over find and read item in voice Over caret.  The really cool
> things that you can do in say a jaws script have to be done with UI
> agents.  So there is a way to capture when the active wwindow is
> changed from say "Mail" to "iChat" , but the VoiceOver appleScript
> additions do not provide that functionality.
>
> Was there something specific you were looking at doing?
> Jon
>
>
> On 05/10/2010, GEOFF WAALER  wrote:
>> Greetings,
>>
>> When I open the Apple Script editor and select file -> open dictionary ->
>> voiceover.app, the resulting dialog makes absolutely no sense.
>>
>> There seems to be a view group consisting of three unlabeled check boxes
>> that behave like radio buttons since checking one causes the other two to
>> be
>> unselected.  There are also groups labeled "back forward" and "text
>> size".
>> I tried entering something in the terminology search field but no results
>> appeared.
>>
>> I assumed I might know what to do with items once I found them in the
>> dictionary, but perhaps someone could suggest a documentation source?
>>
>> TIA for any insight and best regards.
>> Geoff
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Re: Shortcuts for opening bookmarks [was Re: Bookmarks issues]

[Jonathan Cohn]

Ah,  I just learned something useful..  I have been simulating a
double click to open bookmarks.

Also, on an extended keyboard is the command-fN-downarrow replaced by
Command-pagedown?

Thanks,

Jon


On 07/10/2010, Esther  wrote:
> Hi Sarah,
>
> Thanks for that, I actually prefer using Command+Down arrow to open
> web page bookmarks, so I'll start using that.  Using space bar to open
> bookmarked web pages is the way the help description officially uses,
> and back in the dark ages of Tiger it was the only keyboard shortcut
> that worked.  A few of the Command+arrow sequences have temporarily
> disappeared at times.  For example, lots of people use Command+Left
> arrow to move back a page in the web browser instead of the "official"
> Command+Left bracket. There was a time in the Safari updates when that
> shortcut went away.  And, in fact, Command+Left bracket doesn't work
> if you're giving shortcut instructions to a user who wants to move
> back a page and doesn't use VoiceOver.
>
> Also, there are some shortcuts with the Command and arrow keys that I
> either haven't seen documented or have forgotten the source, if I did
> see them.  For example, if I'm in the dock, I can press Fn+Command
> +Down Arrow on my MacBook to move to downloads section and area where
> I've placed folders in my dock.
>
> HTH.  Cheers,
>
> Esther
>
>
> On Oct 6, 2010, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>
>> Actually I press cmd down arrow to open it. I didn't know about the
>> space bar.
>>
>> Take care.
>> On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:19 AM, Esther wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Sarai,
>>>
>>> You launch bookmarks by pressing the space bar, not by pressing VO-
>>> space, which will indeed bring up an edit field for you to rename
>>> the bookmarks.
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Re: Finder.

[Jonathan Cohn]

There is the "locate" UNIX command.  This has been turned off since
SpotLight was added into the system, but for those that know parts of
file names, it could be useful to turn on.  Basically the locate
command works on a globally readable database of all files on a system
and will return very quickly with the path of all files that match the
parameter givin on the command line.  This is less secure and more
global then SpotLight, but for people that are looking often looking
over the complete dis is quite a bit more efficient  then:

sudo find / -name '*pattern*' -print

Jon


On 07/10/2010, GEOFF WAALER  wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> My recent adventure finding the TimeOfDay script has me curious.  I didn't
> know the file type, but could determine from the default "t" customization
> in keyboard commander that the name was "time of day".  Thanks to Nic I now
> know that I could have ascertained the path from keyboard help, but my
> question is how to locate a fa file under different circumstances.  Maybe I
> know the name but forgot the type and where I placed it.
>
> When I attempted to enter "time of day" in either the finder or spotlight it
> came back empty, so I'm wondering what I could have done differently?
>
> TIA and best regards.
> Geoff
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Re: Mail has changed on me!

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try going to your Gmail mailbox, and expanding it. I believe the
VO-Command is control-opt-.

There are a couple other ways:
1. Left arrow when gmail is highlighted.
2. Interact with Gmail and then activate control-opt- the
colapassed toggle.

Jon


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> Hello everyone,
>   I really love the mail app. on the Mac.  When I went in this morning I
> cannot seem to access my sub folders in my Gmail account.  I can only see
> the inbox, drafts, sent, and trash.  Can anyone tell me what may have
> happened.  I usually have my all mail, spam, and around 60 sub folders.  I
> can still send messages to the folders, however I cannot seem to access them
> to view the messages.  Help!!  Thank you so much in advanced.
> Sincerely,
> Scott
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Re: apple mail questions

[Jonathan Cohn]

Also, under the windows menu there is a item called connection wizard
or something close to that.  If you select that, it will test all the
accounts you have set up, and tell you which ones are working.  I
don't remember the detail listed there, but there might be a
disclosure triangle to provide more information.

The actual SMTP  configuration is under a window opened from a
buttonon the accounts tab of your mail preferences.

Best,

Jon


On 12/10/2010, Linda Adams  wrote:
> Denise,
> To have your messages displayed by date, interact with the messages table.
> Then right arrow over to the date column then press VO shift backslash.  You
> can have VO display from newest to oldest or oldest to newest by pressing VO
> shift backslash again.
> This also works in iTunes in the songs table.
>
> Linda
> On Oct 12, 2010, at 3:41 PM, denise avant wrote:
>
>> hello all,
>> i am able to get e-mail fine on my macbook using apple mail. but all of a
>> sudden i can't send mail. i wanted to check the outgoing server port
>> (ssil) but can't find that port under preferences. can anyone tell me
>> where to find it? also is it possible to have apple mail set to have the
>> last message received be the one listed first when i get to the inbox.
>> right now, things are in my inbox in reverse order. thanks.
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Re: unrar archiver.

[Jonathan Cohn]

Stuffit Expander is the free one, it only allows expansion of files,
there is also stuffit, which costs money.  There are some folks
around, who have a dislike for the stuffit suite.  I  don't recall the
argumetns at this point, but

So perhaps look at the tidbits or other technical discussions before
deciding which package to use.

Jon


On 12/10/2010, Cameron  wrote:
> Hi.  I use both with voiceover, and yes, stuffit expander is free as well as
> the other title.
>
> Cameron.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami
> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 3:34 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: unrar archiver.
>
> OO stuffit is free as well? I"ll hav eot give that a try. I guess it won't
> hurt if I have more then 1 tool on the mac for doing something like this eh?
> and it won't hurt voice over? Sorry for my stupid questions.
>
> On Oct 12, 2010, at 10:46, "Cameron"  wrote:
>
>> Hi.  try Stuffit expander or the unarchiver.  Both free.
>>
>> Cameron.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Claudio Haase
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 1:38 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Cc: macvoiceo...@freelists.org
>> Subject: unrar archiver.
>>
>> Hi group, can someone recommend me any application to uncompress rar
>> files on snow leopard?
>> I only found command line applications, but I want something more
> intuitive.
>> Thanks.
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Re: Selecting a recipient

[Jonathan Cohn]

Two points:

1. On the PC side wit JFW 9+, there was a jaws script to reply
directly to sender (perhaps alt+Y?
2. On the macintosh, if you interact with the headers, andthen when
Voice Over readds the person yyou want to reply to, perform a click
and a menu will appear. I think in Leopard and Tiger, one could hit
VO+shift+M (contextual menu) to do this.

Creating an AppleScript to do this should be fairly easy too.

Jn


On 12/10/2010, Carolyn Haas  wrote:
> Hi Antonio:
> I'll try to explain what I do here, since I'm a long devoted Outlook express
> user changing over.
> I'll assume you have your mail open.  Typically, I interact with messages.
> I use vo arrow to go to the "from" heading.  Open menu with vo-M and right
> arrow to messages.  Arrow down to "add sender from address book."
> This isn't the shortest way, but it's similar to what I did in OE.
>
> HTH
> Carolyn
> On Oct 12, 2010, at 6:40 AM, Antonio Guimaraes wrote:
>
>> Hi list,
>>
>> Another question comparing
>> Outlook express with mail.
>>
>> How can I select a recipient's e-mail address from an open message for
>> sending a message without reply. What I want to accomplish is to strip out
>> the e-mail address to paste into the to field of a new message.
>>
>> This comes useful when I see a message from David to this list, and wish
>> to respond to David, and not the entire list.
>>
>> The outlook express equivalent was ault plus one of the num roe numbers
>> twice quickly, then control a to select, and control c to copy, then
>> control v on the to field of the new message to paste the address.
>>
>> Thanks for your help to a newbe.
>>
>> Antonio
>>
>>
>> On Oct 12, 2010, at 2:22 AM, David Taylor wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Actually, if a thread is collapsed, just hit enter and every message is
>>> opened, each one in its own window. This means that if you think you may
>>> want to reply, you can simply use cmd-w to close the first message, then
>>> delete the others, and reply at the end. I find this much better than
>>> anything I ever had in Windows.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On 12 Oct 2010, at 04:52, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>>
>>> hello go to view and sort by thread and collapse threads. I set  up a
>>> keyboard shortcut regarding these 2 and I go over how to do this in a
>>> podcast.
>>>
>>> 2. Go to the left of the person's name when you expand a thread with
>>> right arrow and you will hear unread image and a bong sound. select all
>>> of those int eh thread and hit enter and cmd w on the ones you don't want
>>> to read when you get to them.
>>>
>>> This makes for faster skimming.
>>>
>>> Take care.
>>> On Oct 11, 2010, at 8:35 PM, Antonio Guimaraes wrote:
>>>
 Hello listers,

 I am migrating still from a windows machine, and do find some of the mac
 ways more cumbersome than necessary.

 Maybe there are settings I can change to make my life a little easier
 when reading and managing e-mails.

 First is there a way to view messages in collapsed conversation mode? I
 would like to view conversations in the order the messages were written,
 one right next to the other.

 Another unfortunate thing is my inability to just jump from unread to
 unread message, thus ignoring something I already went through.

 I appreciate any word about these two efficiency features.

 Sincerely,

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Re: pdf2rtf service

[Jonathan Cohn]

That won't do OCR though will it?

Best regards,

Jon


On 12/10/2010, Scott Howell  wrote:
> Thanks Justin, I will pass this along.
>
> On Oct 12, 2010, at 5:57 PM, Justin Ekis wrote:
>
>> Hi scott, here is the link for the download page where you can find
>> pdf2rtf. There are a lot of downloads on this page, but it's near the end
>> of the list.
>>
>> http://www.devon-technologies.com/download/index.html
>>
>> Justin
>>
>>
>> On Oct 12, 2010, at 2:42 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>
>> Hey folks,
>>
>> I was trying to find the information about how one can obtain the pdf2rtf
>> service. I search about on Google, but was not able to find a way to get
>> this service. So, could someone let me know the website that offered this?
>> Seems it was from a website that was promoting an editor of some sort. I'm
>> trying to get this info for someone and your help would be appreciated.
>>
>> Scott
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Re: general Mac questions / Captchas

[Jonathan Cohn]

I don't have an answer for this, but I wonder...  VO-Shift-M on a
picture will bring up a contextual menu.  Could one put a send image
to Abby Reader as an acttion in there?
That would solve this problem.
Jon


>> My next question is regarding using the Web. Captchas-need I say more? On
>> the Windows side, one would remedy this problem by downloading and using
>> Firefox with the Web Visum plug-in, which performed OCR on the captcha
>> image
>> and placed it on the clipboard for convenient pasting into the
>> appropriate
>> edit box. Also, if you didn't wish to use Firefox, there was usually an
>> audio alternative. I am trying to create an iChat account on the Mac.
>> Naturally, this requires the use of the AOL web site. Before I can
>> proceed
>> to create my account, the web site requires that a captcha be entered.
>> Although they provide an audio alternative, Safari is completely unable
>> to
>> use it and the link (upon checking) is java scripted. I know that Firefox
>> is
>> not at all accessible on the Mac side (at least from the information I
>> received on this list), so are there any alternatives for captchas? Also
>> web-related, how do I go about obtaining Webkit-as some seem to think this
>> a
>> better web browsing solution in general? Your contributions, time, and
>> patience are appreciated.
>> Thanks:)
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Re: general Mac questions

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1.  There are a couple of ways to jump around a table. In all cases
you should be interacting with the table.
1. Use jump cursor mode... VO-shift-J puts you in jump mode, there are
8 combinations you can then use...
1. VO-arrow move to the visible edge in the direction of  the arrow.
2. VO-shift-arrow move to the edge of the table in the arrows direction.
2. Use the three finger swipe..
3. Item chooser VOI-I or numpad 1. Will display most elements
available in a list, that shrinks as you type (try Oct) for getting to
October
4. PageUp / PageDown keeys (if on reduced size keyboard, use FN + Up/Down )
5. Use the search functionality, there is always spotlight, and most
Apple programs have a command-f or command-option-f for search.
6. Use "Smart mailboxes" / folders that automatically search for you.
There is an example of all files created in the last week...







On 13/10/2010, Robert Hooper  wrote:
> As a way of demonstrating my utter inexperience with the Mac operating
> system (or my lack of motivation to find certain information with Google), I
> have a few questions. My first question regards Mail. Is there a way to jump
> quickly to the top or bottom of a table-specifically, the messages table?
> Barring that, is there a way to move quickly by larger increments? In
> Outlook, page up and page down move by 25 messages, I believe. Likewise,
> home and end jump straight to the top or bottom of the message list
> respectively. The reason I ask is because I routinely have a large quantity
> of messages in my Inbox, and I don't want to start by spending five minutes
> arrowing to the top of the table.
> My next question is regarding using the Web. Captchas-need I say more? On
> the Windows side, one would remedy this problem by downloading and using
> Firefox with the Web Visum plug-in, which performed OCR on the captcha image
> and placed it on the clipboard for convenient pasting into the appropriate
> edit box. Also, if you didn't wish to use Firefox, there was usually an
> audio alternative. I am trying to create an iChat account on the Mac.
> Naturally, this requires the use of the AOL web site. Before I can proceed
> to create my account, the web site requires that a captcha be entered.
> Although they provide an audio alternative, Safari is completely unable to
> use it and the link (upon checking) is java scripted. I know that Firefox is
> not at all accessible on the Mac side (at least from the information I
> received on this list), so are there any alternatives for captchas? Also
> web-related, how do I go about obtaining Webkit-as some seem to think this a
> better web browsing solution in general? Your contributions, time, and
> patience are appreciated.
> Thanks:)
> Robert Hooper
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Re: messengers

[Jonathan Cohn]

I personally use iChat, though there are a few folks on the list that
use Aanother program.  iChat supports AOL and Jabber protocols, so
that means that it also supports facebook and google chat.

on


On 13/10/2010, Damon Fibraio  wrote:
> OK, so I realize that I can do mail on my mac, but what can I do about
> accessing aol or msn messengers on the Mac. Here's my deal.
>
>
>
> Been using a MacBook pro for a while, mostly booting into win xp using
> bootcamp. Well, kind of think I am stupid for doing this, and figured that
> maybe it's time to learn mac osx leopard. So, going to remove the bootcamp
> partition, at least I think I may do that, not entirely sure, and want to
> make sure I can still get on msn or aol. I think there's a program called
> adium, but not sure. Haven't gotten very far into this. So, any help you can
> give me would be huge. Thanks.
>
>
>
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Re: ways of tagging sections in a document

[Jonathan Cohn]

Are you looking for just while the file is open, or for re-occurrence
every time you open the file.

If you are looking for a temporary marker, then hot spots should work.

Also, the VO navigation kekeys for jumping to headers and tables
should work in most applications.

Best regards,

Jon



On 13/10/2010, DJ Nezumi  wrote:
> hi
> i was wondering if there is a way to tag certain sections in a
> document that can be jumped to either using VO or the mac keystrokes
> in general.
> for example on windoes i am able to do this using the headings list in
> jaws.
> is there an equivalent of doing this in mac?
> thanks regards
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"empty:" Microsoft word document...

[Jonathan Cohn]

I  had a co-worker send me a Microsoft word file with documentation on
a process I am supposed to implement.   Jaws however just says "empty
page" for all four pages.  I am therefore assuming that screen image
captures were pushed into word.  I don't really wnat to ask for a
resend of the document, so using my XP system with JAWS 11, NVDA  and
MS office 2003 and my Macintosh with ABBY, iWork, WebKit and latest
version of Snow Leopard, what are the best approaches to get data back
out of the word document and into my mind?

The PC also has "printers" from MS called   "Office Document Writer"

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Re: Is there a way to document VO crashes?

[Jonathan Cohn]

If my memory is correct, there is a "logs" directory in your library I
believe I have seen crash information for VO among the logs there, and
the console program can read these log files.

Jn


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> Greetings,
>
> I intermittently experience restarts of voiceOver.  With the exception of
> doing a google search in Safari I do not have a reproducible test case that
> I could present to Apple.  My question is whether there is a log written
> when an app crashes?  If so is there a system setting that governs this?
> Where are such logs written?
>
> TIA for any insight.
> Geoff
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Re: any way to delete remembered WEP key passwords

[Jonathan Cohn]

You could always remove it from the wireless preferences.  Selecting
it from the table and then hitting backspace or command-backspace
should do the trick.

I would test to make sure, but my Macintosh is 10 miles away.

Jon


On 14/10/2010, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> Okay,  here's what's going on.
>
> Last night, I finally connected to my AT&T U-verse wireless internet
> connection.  While doing so, I had the check box for "remember this network"
> checked.  If, in future, I wish to remove the password and set it so that I
> always must enter the password, how do I do this?  I red in the Apple forums
> that a user tried to just delete the password from his keychain via the
> utilities menu; but his wireless still logged on automatically.  I don't
> want to have to restore from a Time Machine backup just to fix what should
> be a strait forward issue.  Thanks.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
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Re: Conversations View

[Jonathan Cohn]

A
2. VO-A will generally work the same as read from cursor.  (I think of
it as read all, as a mnemonic), but that is probably from earlier
versions of VoiceOver.

Jon
couple of points here.

1.  Using the tab / shift-tab works well from shifting between the
preview and the list of mail items.

On 15/10/2010, GEOFF WAALER  wrote:
> I tried this technique, but decided to restore the default of showing the
> headers because for me it seems more efficient to exploit the preview pane.
>
> Under the navigation tab of voiceOver utility I unchecked the box labeled:
> "Automatically interact when using tab key".  This way I am not interacting
> with the mailbox view, and all fields usually are announced as was the case
> with Outlook.  In the event that VO only says "blank" I can either press up
> and down arrow or read the fields with "move right" (vo+arrow keys or
> left/right flicks via trackpad commander) to ascertain the information.
>
> To read in the preview pane I can press either trackpad touch + control or
> vo+j.  For some reason the text is only read automatically when I use the
> latter even though they are purportedly equivelent, but I digress.  I
> generally use the trackpad to quickly skim a message.  This way I can
> quickly skip the junk at the top about reading in a web browser, etc.  Also
> the two finger flick down will read to the end or two finger flick up reads
> from the top.  Not sure what the keyboard equivelent is for this -- probably
> involves a twenty key combination .
>
> Take care.
> Geoff.
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2010, at 8:09 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>
>> Hi Neil.
>>
>> When you go to the view Menu, make sure that the headers are none so when
>> you open  a thread your message reads automaticly and you do shict command
>> h and you voice over lect arrow to get to your headers and interact if you
>> want to know who the message is from.
>>
>> Kawal.
>>
>> Kawal Gucukoglu
>>
>> On 15 Oct 2010, at 12:18 PM, Dan Eickmeier  wrote:
>>
>>> Yes it certainly is.  SImply go to the view menu, and check organize by
>>> thread.
>>> On Oct 15, 2010, at 7:10 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
>>>


 All,

 is it possible in Mac Mail to have mail items sorted into conversation
 view,
 in OutLook what this does is thread each set of messages by subject, so
 that
 you can delete entire threads if you wish.

 I use this view all the time in OutLook for dealing with the mail
 address I
 have subscribed to the mailing lists that I am part of.

 thanks.



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Re: Mysterious second Mail Account

[Jonathan Cohn]

I have not seen this behavior before.  A couple of questions:

1.  Are you still receiving mail in the Maiul application?
2. When setting up outgoing (SMTP) mail you need to indicate a
password for GMAIL, is this still configured? I believe you need to
click on the advanced tab in the account setup to configure SMTP
outgoing mail service.

Also: Opening the connection doctor window under the windows tab might
tell you what is going on.  If you don't understand the results feel
free to send them to

 wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> When I set up my Mail account, I set up only one Imap Gmail account and it
> has been working fine.  Yesterday, I suddenly began getting a dialog
> message asking for the password to an account with the user name Null.  The
> only thing that occured which may have caused this was my husband went to
> the Gmail web site to check his email on line.  He forgot his password and
> gave up.  After that I began getting this dialog box.  I checked my Mail
> preferences under both Accounts and Advanced tabs and saw only one account,
> mine.
>
> Any ideas on what I can do to get rid of this Null account?
>
> Thanks much for your help.
>
> Linda
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Re: mail questions

[Jonathan Cohn]

Every mail application except Outlook uses commas for seperators.  In
fact it has been an internet standardsince before 1985.
Jon


On 19/10/2010, Colin M  wrote:
> Hi Denise!
> Sorry I cannot answer the first part of your question, but as far as putting
> in more than one name in the [to] field when you are typing the name and it
> auto fills it in, just press return and if the person or group are in your
> address book!
> It will say [ john smith menu button!
> Then you can start typing the next name and should get the same thing [ with
> a different name of corse :] ]
> So need for a : or something I do not know what happens if the person or
> group are not in your address book, but when you are done just press send!
> hth Colin
> On 19 Oct 2010, at 01:05, denise avant wrote:
>
>> hi all,
>> i notice i'm able to send e-mail to individuals and some lists just fine.
>> but there are a cupel lists that i get an unable to send due to an
>> incorrect server. i haven't changed any settings. can anyone tell me why
>> this might be happening? thanks.
>> what is the correct syntax for sending the same e-mail to two or three
>> people. in outlook the addresses were separated by semicolons. is it the
>> same for apple mail?
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Re: Putting the documents folder back on the Dock

[Jonathan Cohn]

 This is one place where I have had no issues with  dragging.

1. Select folder
2. . Make sure mouse is over folder VO-F5
3. Mouse Down VO-Shift-command-space
4. Move to Doc VO-D
5. Mouse Up VO-SHIFT-Command-Space

Best regards,

on



On 19/10/2010, Graham Roby  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to put  my documents folder back on the dock.
>
> Under Leopard after help from the group I did this by downloading the put on
> doc package from Tim Kilburns Website and all was good to go.
>
> Now using Snow Leopard I installed the ad  item to dock dmg file with no
> issues then tried running the Automator send to dock script.
> Automator opened but under the file menu I couldn't find any option to save
> as plug in or an option to save the file to the finder. I could save to my
> tc/ext hd or normal hard drive applications etc.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas where I could be going wrong here or is it simply
> under sl you don't need this Put On Dock package and there is another way to
> ad my documents folder to my dock?
>
> Many thanks in advance for any help offered.
>
> Kind regards
>
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Re: braille display

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hey, I would be happy if I could read 1 word a minute.  I can read the
room numbers now with 85% accuracy.  :-).
Jon


On 18/10/2010, Samuel  wrote:
> actually I meant to add this to the other topic i posted about braille
> displays I forget that this is a mailing list and not a message board
> sometimes.
>
> On Oct 18, 7:11 pm, "Isaac Obie"  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> You don't need a braille display to improve your reading speed. You could
>> always get a braille book or braille magazine and find good reading
>> mateials! there's ESPN the Magazine, PC World, the computer magazine,
>> There's a chess magazine, there're various other magazines and books to be
>> had from your local library.
>> Heck, I didn't improve my reading speed with a braille display. I used
>> braille books.
>> Isaac
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Samuel" 
>> To: "MacVisionaries" 
>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:57 PM
>> Subject: braille display
>>
>> > Actually, if my reading speed were 50 words per minute, i could get
>> > the state government here in Texas to buy one for me, but that's the
>> > whole stalemate thing. I don't improve my reading speed because
>> > there's nothing good to read, I could undoubtedly improve it with a
>> > braille display, but I don't think I can afford to buy one myself.
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Re: Washington Post articles?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Well, I finally got my beloved Washington Post to work again.  For a
recap, I was getting a "scroll area" that was not intractable with
when I went to any articles that were recent. (Perhaps all articles).
I scanned through the "Develop" menu.  This is a menu of tools that no
non-webdeveloper should ever need to use, and the only time I used it
was when faking out the USAJOBS web site to apply to Federal Jobs. I
told that site I was running Firefox, and then it stopped blocking me.

Anyway, that is a different story…  In the Develop menu somehow
"Disable Styles" was checked.  After unchecking that I was able to
have the voice over read what I knew was on the screen.

Best wishes,

Jon


On 09/10/2010, Colin M  wrote:
>
>> Hi me again I've had to send this again because I mucked it up the first
>> time!
> hahahahaha
>
>> sorry about the miss-spelling of Virginia
>> I've corrected it here in this one [ please forgive me please! Oh go on,
>> yes you can! :] ]
>> On 4 Oct 2010, at 12:48, Colin M wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jonathan!
>>> Here I am in little UK!
>>> I opened the Washington post link from your part of this message!
>>> Then clicked metro, Virginia politics and got to the page ok!
>>> But when I clicked the link that starts [ voices of. ].. it took me to
>>> the Washington post site and said something about that page was no longer
>>> there or has change it's name!
>>> When I was on the Virginia politics page I opened the web router on links
>>> typed v and no links started with voices!
>>> hth Colin
>>> On 4 Oct 2010, at 00:33, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
>>>
 I am currently having problems in both webkit and Safari with the
 Washington Post web site.

 from http://washingtonpost.com
 I click on "Metro" and then "Virginia POlitics"

 The site which I believe is
 voices.washingtonpost.com/VirginiaPolitics never fully load.  Before
 reporting this to Apple and/or Washington Post, could somebody else see
 if this site works for them?

 I had no issues earlier this week, but I have changed a couple of
 settings within my Post login.  So I am curious if it is the site in
 general or my changes.

 Best regards,

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Re: How to delete programs from your Mac?.

[Jonathan Cohn]

Well, getting Office for the Mac was  a mistake if you are blind, I am
not sure why you would have the Dock activated overtime you start, I
can't imagine that is actually Microsoft.  Fore removing "simple"
programs, one can just drag the folder from the application window
into the trash. (or command backspace as a shortcut).  For more
complicated programs, that install resources in the computers
"/Library" directory  or your personal Library folder there is usually
an uninstaller included with the program.  Luckily there is no
registry, though there is a way for files to be associated with a
specific application.

Hopefully this was of some help,

Jon


On 20/10/2010, Chenelle Hancock  wrote:
>
>
> Sent from my iPhonehello everyone: my name is chenelle and I am a brand new
> Mac  user. Ii just received my MacBook  pro today. I have never usedbefore
> and would welcome any help that the list could give me. My adaptive tech
> provider had previously installed Microsoft windows on the mb pro. I am
> starting to get annoyed  whenever I turn on my mbpro and then voice over
> announces that windows is on the doc. So how do I fix this problem?. Thanks
> a lot I really appreciate it. Sincerely, chenelle
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Re: copy question

[Jonathan Cohn]

Take a look at this script.  The main portion of the script is in the
"ProcessFiles" action.

This script is meant to be a "Folder Action".  It looks at all files
moved to the folder, and if they are images, it will create a copy of
the image as a TIFF file in a  selected folder. I might be
interpreting slightly off, but this should give you a good start on
your issue.

/Library/Scripts/Folder\ Action\ Scripts/Image\ -\ Duplicate\ as\ TIFF.scpt

Best wishes,

Jon


On 17/10/2010, William Windels  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I would like to make a little copy script that sync all data on specific
> locations.
> I mean: I have scool materials that are stored by default on my usbdisc and
> a backup on my harddrive.
> There is also a copy in my dropbox-folder and a external person is also
> working on materials.
>
> So, It's not that easy to sync all this data since mac simply overwrites a
> folder with the other folder with the same name.
> In windows, windows overwrites files individually and adds newer files from
> the source folder into the target folder if they don't exist over there.
>
> This is a difficult situation.
>
> On linux systems, you have the u option in the cp command that only copies
> files that are newer then the original files.
> This should solve my problem but:
>
> The cp command is a unix-command on the mac and not a gnu/linux command so,
> it is missing this feature.
>
> My question:
>
> Is there a simple way to bring all the newest files from different locations
> toghetter in one location?
>
> Thx for your answer.
>
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Re: Is there a way to document VO crashes?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Both operating systems have this functionality to some level.  There
are security concerns that the vendors take seriously, that limit the
usability of the automated crash reports.  It is significantly better
to use "feedback" channels with recipes (directions) for causing a
crash.  Especially if several people can cause the crash.  That is a
good reason to ask folks on this list to verify issues. Then we can
test and send our feedback too.

Jon


On 17/10/2010, Jude DaShiell  wrote:
> You know what I think would be really neat?  If Apple was to do what
> GwMicro did with Window-Eyes; make the operating system self-healing.
> This concept for GwMicro involved collecting crash logs from people's
> machines when they rebooted; the Window-Eyes software phoned home and sent
> the crash logs.  For all I know, this may already be happening with Apple
> and if so it's just another great point to make in that apple vs. pc
> commercial.  On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>
>> If my memory is correct, there is a "logs" directory in your library I
>> believe I have seen crash information for VO among the logs there, and
>> the console program can read these log files.
>>
>> Jn
>>
>>
>> On 14/10/2010, GEOFF WAALER  wrote:
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>> I intermittently experience restarts of voiceOver.  With the exception of
>>> doing a google search in Safari I do not have a reproducible test case
>>> that
>>> I could present to Apple.  My question is whether there is a log written
>>> when an app crashes?  If so is there a system setting that governs this?
>>> Where are such logs written?
>>>
>>> TIA for any insight.
>>> Geoff
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Re: Making My Mac Tick Again

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hmm,  pop over to the tidbits site, they have reviewed keyboards that
are noisy, and I think there was also a discussion of folks that have
converted IBM Selectric typewriters to be computer keyboards.
Jon


On 20/10/2010, Scott Granados  wrote:
> Heh adding a mechanical typewritter sound would be cool.  I have an old
> style bell ringer, that would be a good match.  I learned to type on a
> mechanical typewritter so that would bring back great memories.
>
> On Oct 20, 2010, at 5:22 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>
>> OF course, there is the type writer sound program.  That's a good way to
>> go also.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>
>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>
>> Skype Name:
>> barefootedray
>>
>> On Oct 20, 2010, at 7:19 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Mark,
>>>
>>> I suspect that you inadvertently put the caps lock on, and that you were
>>> typing everything in capital letters.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Anne
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20 Oct 2010, at 14:15, M. Taylor wrote:
>>>
 Hello All,

 Yesterday, while exploring my Mac, I inadvertently pressed a keyboard
 combination that caused me to hear a kind of clicking sound when typing;
 it was wonderful.  That is, if it were still enabled, while typing this
 message to you all,, I would be hearing the tic sound each time I
 pressed a key--kind of like when entering text in a password field.

 I was amazed at how much more accurate my typing accuracy improved with
 this audio feedback.

 My question is, then, how did I enable this?

 This feature reminds me of an old-style electric typewriter.  It should
 be noted that this feature did not impact VoiceOver in anyway.  That is,
 I continued to hear each letter spoken as I entered it but I also had
 the tick sound, as well.

 Thank you for any help on this one.

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Re: Teaching Mac to sighted people

[Jonathan Cohn]

Perhaps there is a feedback or contact us link on the site?  I met Tim
once, and I can't imagine he would restrict NZ from access.
Jon


On 22/10/2010, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Hi Esthre,
>
>  I've tried this on both the mac and my windows 7 machines and I get similar
> things happening.
>  I don't have trouble clicking the continue button, it just wont go  to the
> following / final review order page. And I can't figureout why.
>  It's like I've got something wrong or missing, but I can't find anything
> after going throughthe entire page link by link and edit box by edit box.
>
>  I'm starting to question whether or not my NZ credit card can actually work
> on this site.
>  Do they allow for international purchases.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
> Sent: Friday, 22 October 2010 3:00 a.m.
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Teaching Mac to sighted people
>
> Hi Simon,
>
> When you have entered your credit card information, route your mouse to the
> "Continue" button (with VO-Command-F5, if you do not have your mouse cursor
> set to track your VoiceOver cursor) and use VO-Shift- Space to click the
> button.  You'll be taken to a "Confirm Order" page which should contain your
> STANZACAT discount, if you entered the coupon code earlier.  Click the
> "Finish Order" button to complete your transaction.
>
> If you ever encounter a situation where a button press does not seem to
> "take" with VO-Space, try clicking the button. Technically, VO- Space should
> perform the default action for any situation, which in this case is to click
> the button. There are some cases where VO-Shift- Space (which I refer to as
> a "software click") does not work, but where clicking with your trackpad or
> mouse button ("hardware clicks") will work.  Remember to first route your
> mouse cursor to your VoiceOver cursor before you press your trackpad key (or
> the whole trackpad in recent MacBook models) or mouse button to click, if
> you have not set your mouse cursor to track your VoiceOver cursor in
> VoiceOver Utility.  Pressing the "5" key on the numeric keypad with Numpad
> Commander turned on also counts as a "hardware click"; it will work in those
> same cases where clicking a mouse or trackpad works when VO-Shift-Space and
> VO-Space do not work to click a button.
>
> Incidentally, I've read that you can now purchase the O'Reilly eBooks in
> iBooks, but I don't think that you get the DAISY and PDF versions of the
> book when you do so, and I don't believe you can use any discount codes.
> The eBook bundle purchases you make directly from the O'Reilly site should
> also update if there are any minor revisions or corrections, or additional
> eBook formats made available.
>
> HTH.  Cheers,
>
> Esther
>
> On Oct 20, 2010, at 20:53, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>
>> Hi Esther or anyone else that can help.
>>
>> I'm trying to purchase a couple of ebooks from O'Reilly's ebook site
>> and keep getting a weird thing happening.
>>
>> Everytime I fill in the credit card details I hit continue and it
>> tells me that the charge will be taken from my credit card, once I
>> confirm / review my purchase in the next step. However it doesn't or
>> at least I can't get to the next step.
>> And it also clears out my credit card details
>>
>> I have checked with my bank and my cards fine to use internationally,
>> I have the money in the account to cover the purchase,  But yet I
>> can't figure out wha the hells going on.
>> And it wont give me an error messge to refer to either.
>>
>> Also, there is no place to put the 3 digit validation code, which a
>> lot of online payment methods require for making a purchase.
>>
>> Just wondering if anyone else has had this sort of thing happen to
>> them before and how they got through it.
>>
>> Thanks for any assistance on this, it's really starting to hack me
>> off.
>>
>> Simon f
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
>> Sent: Saturday, 14 August 2010 8:48 p.m.
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Teaching Mac to sighted people
>>
>> Hi Simon,
>>
>> You can purchase a DRM-free, ePub version of "Mac OS X Snow Leopard:
>> The Missing Manual" by David Pogue from O'Reilly's eBooks.  They sell
>> their eBooks in multi-format bundles that include PDF files that you
>> can read in Preview and ePub versions that you can add to your iTunes
>> Library and read in iBooks on your iPad (or iPhone or iPod Touch under
>> iOS 4).   They also have "Switching to the Mac: The Missing Manual,
>> Snow Leopard Edition" by the same author.  All the O'Reilly books are
>> available through Bookshare.org, internationally, although the annual
>> subscription for users outside of the U.S. is probably the cost of
>> buying the book from O'Reilly in an eBook bundle that includes an ePub
>> version.
>> He

Re: how do I split files

[Jonathan Cohn]

Why do you not feel comfortable with the UNIX split command, it has
been around since the fastest modem was 9.6 kbs and hasbeen used by
mailing lists to transfer files since before there was a web.

Do you need recomendation on options?
Jon


On 25/10/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> Hello I want to split a rar file in to 300 mb chucks for concatenating
> later. Looked on the net but there are splitters for windows and I don't
> feel comfortable using the split command for the mac even though I read
> about it.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Sarah Alawami
> MSN: marri...@gmail.com
> aim: marri...@gmail.com:
>
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> face book: facebook.com/marrie
> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125
> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com
> Mobile site for podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com/mobile/
>
> The early bird gets the worm. The late worm gets to live.
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Re: AppleScript for Jumping to specific time in iTunes [was Re: Playback Counter in Itunes?]

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hmm good idea.  I haven't looked at at AppleScript objects for iTunes.
 I expect with a couple of properties a iTunes script could be written
that prompts for a bookmark name and then creates  a  a sdifferent
dialog could then pull up a combo box or list box of bookmarks.

If a audio bookmark management system was generated, should the
bookmarks be system wide or disk wide.

on


On 26/10/2010, Esther  wrote:
> Hi Teresa and Kevin,
>
> There is a better solution and a way to jump to a specific time for
> any selected track in iTunes (video as well as audio).  Go to Tim
> Kilburn's VoiceOver Downloads page web site and get the "RestartAt"
> AppleScript:
> http://homepage.mac.com/kilburns/voiceover/downloads.html
>
> The download comes with full instructions for use.  Basically,
> AppleScripts allow you to design commands that function just like the
> commands from your menu bar. You copy the AppleScript into a Library/
> iTunes/Scripts folder in your home directory.  (The first time you use
> AppleScripts you'll have to create the Scripts folder).  Then, any
> AppleScripts in this folder show up under a separate AppleScripts menu
> on your iTunes menu bar. You use these scripted commands the same way
> you do any other menu bar commands: highlight a track that you are
> playing in the songs table, then navigate to the AppleScript menu on
> iTunes menu bar (I use Control+F2 and left arrow past the "Help" menu
> to get there).  Arrow down to the "RestartAt" menu option and press
> return.
>
> A dialog box will appear giving the (current) default position to
> start playback.  You can type in any other time in to the text box and
> press return, and your playback will start from that position.  If you
> simply press return, playback resumes at the current position.
>
> I'll just note that anyone interested in this script should download
> it before all Mac homepages go away on November 8, 2010.  I'm not sure
> whether Tim plans to move this page with the various VoiceOver related
> items that were assembled in the early days of this list. You can also
> assign a shortcut key combination to any AppleScript.  I'm a bit
> pressed for time, so if you want to read more details about using the
> RestartAt AppleScript, you can check my archived post on ringtone
> creation in iTunes (that uses this), or you can search for other
> entries in the Mail Archive by using the search text box on the page
> of the ringtone creation post link:
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg09299.html
>
> HTH. Cheers,
>
> Esther
>
> On Oct 25, 2010, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>
>> Hi Teresa,
>>
>> The short answer is no, however if you hit Command-I and then
>> Command-5, the Get Info window will have an option to "Remember
>> Playback Position." Now, every time you move away and back to the
>> file, it will play from where you left off.
>>
>> I'm surprised there is no "Jump to Time" feature in iTunes, nor is
>> there the ability to create location markers. Two useful things I
>> think they should implement.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>> Kevin
>>
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Re: Sd and Mac

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hmm,  does diskutility let you see the SD?  Perhaps you could format
it in FAT-32 using disk utility.

Best regards,

Jon


On 25/10/2010, Scott Granados  wrote:
> Depends on the version of the OS you're running.
>
> I did some googling and that was one of the things suggested to check.  We
> had a similar problem with one of the macs at work so that's what worked for
> us.  Admittedly though it was an older Macbook Pro.
>
> On Oct 25, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>
>> Well, I am not at all sure that's accurate.  I use an HCSD 32GB card with
>> no issues at all between my Mac book pro's card reader, and my Stream.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>
>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>
>> Skype Name:
>> barefootedray
>>
>> On Oct 25, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>
>>> I would try a basic card wich out the extended features.  Make sure it's
>>> not an hc card and say one of the slower devices like a class 2.
>>>
>>> Just my $.02.
>>>
>>> On Oct 25, 2010, at 3:55 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
>>>
 Hi Ray:
 Well, a perusal of the 'net showed that quite a few people are having
 issues with SD cards and the card reader not cooperating.  So, I'm
 guessing it has to be related to something other than accessibility.
 I'd really like to be able to work straight to the card reader.
 Guess I could employ a new card and see if that works.:)
 Anyhow thanks to all for any further input.

 Carolyn Haas
 chaas0...@gmail.com



 On Oct 25, 2010, at 4:31 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> If it were some form of NLS protection, Mike Arigo and I and others
> would most surely have mentioned it before now; therefore, that aint
> the answer.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
>
> On Oct 25, 2010, at 4:19 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
>
>> Actually, I did.  We checked it both ways, just to be sure it hadn't
>> somehow gotten backwardsed.  No luck.  I'm wondering if it could be
>> some form of protection of NLS materials.  But, I expect it would have
>> come up sooner on list if that were the case.  Even my Apple trainer's
>> a little baffled by this.
>>
>> Carolyn Haas
>> chaas0...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 25, 2010, at 10:02 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>>
>>> Uh,  did you check the switch on your card?  How much you want to bet
>>> that the little switch has gotten in to the wrong position?
>>>
>>> I have downloaded many many NLS books using my Mac book pro and never
>>> so much as a prob.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>
>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>
>>> Skype Name:
>>> barefootedray
>>>
>>> On Oct 25, 2010, at 10:23 AM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
>>>
 Hi guys:
 I have a strange issue and would like to at least understand, if not
 fix it.  I've been trying to use my card reader in my mbp to add
 some books to a sd card for my Victor Reader Stream.  The books I
 want to download are the ones from NLS.  I believe I was able to
 successfully download content from Audible and other MP# files.  We
 attempted to back up and reformat that card, but there's some form
 of lock on it.

 Has anyone had any experience with this?  And, if so, is there a
 work-around to use the card reader for NLS books?
 TIA for any imput.
 Enjoy your Monday.  Think Denver's about to get it's first snow.
 BRR

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Re: Sd and Mac

[Jonathan Cohn]

very interesting... I am unable to get my SD card reccognized when I
plutplug the USB of the Victor Reader into my MacBook.
But I have an external card reader where the SD works fine.
So it sounds like I have the opposing issue from you.  I thought that
perhaps the Mac wouldn't recognize the stream.

It would be interesting to compare notes, though I only have a 2GB SD card.

On 26/10/2010, Carolyn Haas  wrote:
> Hi John:
> I don't know much about fat-32, but my Apple contact thought that the card
> running in fat-16 could be a problem.  Not knowing anything about these
> things, I'm parrotting what she said but I'm clueless.  She tried to
> reformat, and disk utility wouldn't allow it.  I was able to add books using
> the stream as a go between.  So, I don't know what that would translate to
> in terms of my cared reader.
> Thanks for your input.
> Carolyn Haas
> chaas0...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> On Oct 26, 2010, at 2:39 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>
>> Hmm,  does diskutility let you see the SD?  Perhaps you could format
>> it in FAT-32 using disk utility.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>> On 25/10/2010, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> Depends on the version of the OS you're running.
>>>
>>> I did some googling and that was one of the things suggested to check.
>>> We
>>> had a similar problem with one of the macs at work so that's what worked
>>> for
>>> us.  Admittedly though it was an older Macbook Pro.
>>>
>>> On Oct 25, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, I am not at all sure that's accurate.  I use an HCSD 32GB card
>>>> with
>>>> no issues at all between my Mac book pro's card reader, and my Stream.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>
>>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>>
>>>> Skype Name:
>>>> barefootedray
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 25, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I would try a basic card wich out the extended features.  Make sure
>>>>> it's
>>>>> not an hc card and say one of the slower devices like a class 2.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my $.02.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 25, 2010, at 3:55 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Ray:
>>>>>> Well, a perusal of the 'net showed that quite a few people are having
>>>>>> issues with SD cards and the card reader not cooperating.  So, I'm
>>>>>> guessing it has to be related to something other than accessibility.
>>>>>> I'd really like to be able to work straight to the card reader.
>>>>>> Guess I could employ a new card and see if that works.:)
>>>>>> Anyhow thanks to all for any further input.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Carolyn Haas
>>>>>> chaas0...@gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 25, 2010, at 4:31 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If it were some form of NLS protection, Mike Arigo and I and others
>>>>>>> would most surely have mentioned it before now; therefore, that aint
>>>>>>> the answer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 25, 2010, at 4:19 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Actually, I did.  We checked it both ways, just to be sure it hadn't
>>>>>>>> somehow gotten backwardsed.  No luck.  I'm wondering if it could be
>>>>>>>> some form of protection of NLS materials.  But, I expect it would
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> come up sooner on list if that were the case.  Even my Apple
>>>>>>>> trainer's
>>>>>>>> a little baffled by this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Carolyn Haas
>>>>>>>> chaas0...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>&

Re: 64 bit processors

[Jonathan Cohn]

For those hardware crazed individuals out there... Try MacTracker.  I
used it about 10 years ago, when I needed to know about programing in
detail.  It knows technical specifications of most Macintosh models.
I am not sure if it works with Voice Over though.

The website is http://www.mactracker.ca/
Best regards,
Jon


On 03/11/2010, Scott Granados  wrote:
> I'm not sure I think they go more than 4 cores.
>
> On Nov 3, 2010, at 12:00 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>
>> If you've got an I7 procesor, then you have 1 processor. However built
>> into
>> that is two separate processors, or more like two pathways for things to
>> work on / down.
>> Infact I thought the I7 range was quad core. Interesting.
>> \ and without a doubt. The i7 and i5 range of processors are 64 bit, which
>> means it can handle both 32 & 64 bit systems.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Loya
>> Sent: Wednesday, 3 November 2010 11:59 a.m.
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: 64 bit processors
>>
>> Hi,
>> I am unable to tell whether the processor in my Macbook Pro is 32 or 64
>> bit.
>> I have a 15" Macbook Pro with an I7 processor. In the system profiler, is
>> says that there is one processor and 2 cores. Does anybody have any useful
>> information regarding this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Joshua
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Re: saving attachments in mail

[Jonathan Cohn]

I expect that you have headers disabled in your mail messages since
that appears to be the recommendation of a few folks on this list.

f this is th case I recommend the following based on memory... (My Mac
is 20 miles away right now)
1. Command-Shift-H (turn on headers for current message.)
. Look between the Headers and the body of the message, and you should
find a attachment area.  There is a save button here.
When you click the save button, it will have a pull down list to
choose the attachment to save.

Onceslected the standard save-as dialog box appears.

You could also do the following which is not quite as elegant.

1. Click the quick look button if you want to save the document after
viewing, then it will
 be in your"Library/Mail Downloads" directory. Copy as you want from there.

Best regards,

Jn


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> I have issues with saving
> attachments in apple's mail client, but one thing I do, once I find the
> attachment that is (which is part of my issue) is navigate to the sidebar
> and interact with it.  Then I usually uparrow to the thumb drive and it's
> all good, unless I want a specific folder on that drive then I'm stuck again
> since I can't seem to get folders to open and allow me to save things to
> them.  I am useing a MacBook Air.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "denise avant" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:07 AM
> Subject: saving attachments in mail
>
>
> hi all,
> i've been trying to save a file to my thumb drive in apple mail. i can't
> quite arrow to where the drive letter is located to save the file. can
> anyone provide me with an easy way to do this? thanks.
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Re: some newbie mac questions

[Jonathan Cohn]

One idea if it is recipes that you are usually interested in
selecting, there are a few recipe keeper programs out there that can
grab a recipe from a web site and put it into their database.  I have
not personally used any of these, but my wife (who is fully sighted)
loves "Yummy Soup".  tidbits.com did a review of recipe programs about
a year ago, though of course they wer not analyzing them for
accessability.
Jon


On 04/11/2010, Sarai Bucciarelli  wrote:
> Hi:
> I can help with iCal.
> To create an appointment, make sure your view is set to month. Go to menu
> bar, view, arrow down to month, vo space.
> To create an appointment, press command n. Write the name of the
> appointment, then vo right to the scroll area. Interact. Now you can set the
> date and time, reminders, etc. Just vo right arrow through the options.
> On Nov 4, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>
>> And I have some basic questions as well.  Not the least of which include
>> the
>> scanning software (or is it hardware) Florian mentions.  While I have been
>>
>> using a Mac more on than off for a year now, I still get stuck and end up
>> going back to windows.  Here are a couple of examples.
>>
>> 1.  I need to know how to efficiently navigate calendar and addressbook.
>> In
>> calendar for example, when I do control shit t and then get my date I want
>>
>> to view entered, I hear nothing and when I vo right or left, I'm back to
>> today's date.  Also, entering appointments is weird for me because I
>> haven't
>> quite figured out how to know whether I'm on the month chooser, the day or
>>
>> the year, and then we add in the time.  It doesn't seem to be consistent
>> that one right arrow takes me to month, 2 to day, 3 to year and 4 to time.
>>
>> I use this feature a lot, since my appointments sync over the air with my
>> iPhone and my other family members' calendars so any help would be
>> amazing!
>>
>> I am still at a loss to efficiently navigate to a contact in addressbook.
>> I'm at such a loss, in fact, I can't even tell you what I can't do, smile!
>>
>> 2.  Occasionally I need to copy then paste things from a website, such as
>> a
>> recipe.  I cannot consistently do this.  Sometimes shift downarrow works
>> and
>> sometimes it does not.  I would also love to know how to jump to the next
>> block of unlinked text.  In Window-Eyes, I simply press x which moves me
>> by
>> blocks of unlinked text.
>>
>> If, as a somewhat new user, I could make any suggestion to Apple, it would
>>
>> be to elaborate just a bit more in its command list.  It's quite likely
>> that
>> the answers to my questions are there, but are worded such that I don't
>> get
>> it straight out of the gate.
>>
>> Thanks to any and all who can help, and I hope this first post is not too
>> lengthy or too basic for this list.  I am looking forward to learning and
>> sharing with you all.
>>
>> Marlaina
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "f10r14n" 
>> To: "MacVisionaries" 
>> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 1:15 AM
>> Subject: some newbie mac questions
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Some of you might recognize me from the viPhone list. To those i say :
>> My apple journey is about to continue.
>> I have ordered a macbook yesterday and am impatiently awaiting it's
>> arrival. I have a couple of questions though.
>>
>> I've been reading this list fora while now, browsing the archives and
>> trying to keep up with recent stuff as well.
>> My first question concerns garage band. Are there things that still
>> don't work after the update, or is everything accessible? Can you for
>> example select a portion of a track now?
>> Second is scanning. I read alot about the whole readiris and vuscan
>> thing, is this still the way to go for scanning and OCR?
>> Last one, and i'm sure this one has been asked a million times before:
>> Is there a directory of apps that are accessible with voiceOver? And i
>> don't mean the supported applications page on Apple.com, surely there
>> are more :P
>>
>> Thanks for any help,
>> Florian
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Re: Extra Text Being Spoken

[Jonathan Cohn]

Sounds like you might have the option to speak text under the mouse
after a delay.  I can't remember if this is in the Universal Access
setting, or Voice Over settings or both.

This can be a nice feature won for partially sighted folks as when
they hover the mouse over a specific paragraph, the computer will
speak that text.
Jon


On 31/10/2010, Colin M  wrote:
> Hi Jeff and Louie!
> I have also experienced this as well!
> I'm using a Imac, what I've found is when I'm changing a file name and just
> pressed the return key to select edit the name and start typing the new name
> it says apple in a few letters  like you've said!
> However when i've let vo say [1-01 abba .m4a edit text]
> That apple thing does not happen so I presume that typing before it's ready
> will cause this but what it means by saying apple I do not know!
> So just try slowing down a few seconds  to see if that helps[ can be  a bit
> annoying]
> hth Colin
> On 31 Oct 2010, at 02:40, louie wrote:
>
>> Jeff,
>> I have had the same problem. I hear app in other applications.
>> I have a Mac mini.
>> Hope some one can help us.
>>
>> On Oct 30, 2010, at 4:45 PM, Jeff Berwick wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have a Macbook Pro and, from time to time, especially in terminal, it
>>> says "apple" when I am typing.  As a result, I only hear 4 out of five
>>> characters I type.  The others are replaced by "Apple".
>>>
>>> Can anybody help me to solve this issue?
>>>
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
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>> louiem...@wavecable.com
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Re: quick time player

[Jonathan Cohn]

Well, since you are willing to use the shel...

The "open" command described at
http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man1/open.1.html

is your friend.

I am not sure if with quicktime you could use the "open *.mp3" -a
Quicktime  but if not
en wrapping a simple shell "for" loop around the open command would work.

If you want a more stable version you can do what radio stations that
use mp3 do when they have a introduction/commercial when you first
launch.

 believe they use a "m3u" file which contains a list of files / url's
to open in sequence .

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Re: text books

[Jonathan Cohn]

I believe that entourage edge has a good selection of textbooks
available.  I am not familiar  with their protection  requirements,
but I do know a linux developer that works for them.

Jon


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> Hi, does anyone know of a good accessible site to get text books in EBook
> format?
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Re: quick time player

[Jonathan Cohn]

for MusicFile in *.mp3 ; do
open -w -a quicktime$MusicFile
done


OK, the above is a quick bash shell loop that goes through every mp3
file in the current directory one at a time and sends it to the open-w
-a

The open command is quite impressive, it can open web pages or text
files or code samples.  You can force applications with either the -a
or -b
(application and bundle)
I believe the bundle id for quicktime would be com.apple.quicktime so
in the above example, replacing "-a quicktime" with "-b
com.apple.quicktime" should perform the same function.

The -w option above tells open to prevent additional calls to open
until the quicktime applcation exits.

It might (I say might) be possible to send mp3 directly to /dev/audio,
I am fairly sure I have done this on some unix variant

n that case...

cat *.mp3 > /dev/audio

would do the trick.

Gee, isn't UNIX fun.

Jon

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Re: accessible weather apps

[Jonathan Cohn]

I find the Weather Underground site to be very screen reader usable.
And if you wanted to create a widget  from their site, there are notes
near the bottom of the website on XML for weather.  They even have a
link for NOAA weather radio, so you can listen to NOAA over your
computer.

They also have a "braille" site such that:
http://braille.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=Washington+ME

returns the weather for Washington Maine.  (You might need to join
lines on that URL.)

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> Hi is there any accessible weather programs or widgits?
> thanks
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Re: Virtual cursor of some sort in OS X

[Jonathan Cohn]

Item List mode might help.

There are a few discussions recently on the list so I won't go into
further detail.

Jon


On 10/11/2010, RvR  wrote:
> Hi Mike,
> Alright that's clear, thanks!
> Cheers,
> Ronald
>
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] Namens Mike Arrigo
> Verzonden: woensdag 10 november 2010 2:44
> Aan: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: Re: Virtual cursor of some sort in OS X
>
> The voice over cursor does this, when you navigate, you move to all the
> items voiceover can detect.
> On Nov 9, 2010, at 6:04 AM, RvR wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>> Tried to search the archives for this, probably didn't choose the correct
> keywords cause I couldn't find what I needed. So I try my luck with this
> message.
>> A while back I asked about creating hotspots and I remember Anne answering
> it is only possible in areas which Voice Over can detect and then label.
> That's loud and clear for me, but now wonder if this also means there is no
> virtual cursor of some sort like there is in Jaws etc? What I would like to
> do is to look around a popup screen or dialog window for example for text
> which VO doesn't say.
>> Tia for your input!
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Ronald
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Re: Apple Mail and Google

[Jonathan Cohn]

One other note, It is possible that you deleted all of the mail  in
GMAIL by doing this action.  Please reply if I am wrong about this.

Jon


On 09/11/2010, Darcy Burnard  wrote:
> Linda, are you using pop or imap with gmail?  If you're using imap, you can
> have gmail just not show you the all mail folder.  I can't remember the name
> of it, but there is a google labs feature you enable that gives you more
> control over what mailboxes are shown with imap.  This is what I did, and I
> don't see the all mail folder.
> There's a great article from tidbits on how best to set up gmail with mac
> mail.
> Here is the url.
> http://db.tidbits.com/article/10253
> HTH.
> Darcy
>
> On 2010-11-09, at 11:52 AM, David Hole wrote:
>
>> Hi Linda.
>> I'll just add that the reason for this "All Mail"-folder is that this
>> folder is where all mails ends when you click Archive when using the
>> web-interface in gmail.
>> I don't know how much you know about how gmail handles mail, but in short,
>> the folders is known as labels. When a mail is found only in "All Mail",
>> it means that it has no labels. Inbox for example, is a label, like the
>> one you have called Macvisionaries when using Google terminology.
>> -David
>> Den 09.11.2010 17:21, skrev Linda Adams:
>>> Carolyn,
>>>
>>> Now why didn't I think of that.  I've used command A for other purposes.
>>> The folder is now empty.  Thanks again.
>>>
>>> Linda
>>>
>>> On Nov 9, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Carolyn wrote:
>>>
 Hi Linda:
 Find that all-mail mailbox.  Go over to messages.  Interact with
 messages, go to subject.  Do command A to select all, and press delete.
 VO should then say, "no rows selected."
 HTH
 Carolyn
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 From: Linda Adams
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 8:38 AM
 Subject: Apple Mail and Google

 Hi everyone,

 Today I noticed my top  level Gmail  mailbox was collapsed.  When I
 expanded it I found over 6,000 messages in my "All Mail" folder.  Of
 course, the very same messages had already been in my Inbox or my
 Macvisionaries mail box and had already been read and deleted.

 Is there a way to delete all of them in one fell swoop.  When I switched
 to thread mode, there are still over 1,000.  I checked the menus and
 elsewhere but found nothing to empty a specific mailbox?

   Also, is it possible to just prevent messages going to 2 mailboxes at
 the same time or  delete this "All Mail" mailbox or is that not
 advisable?

 As always, thanks for your information and advice.

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Re: iTunes question: changing songs to be sorted by track number when viewing an album

[Jonathan Cohn]

1. Track Pad commander... When interacting with the table of songs go
to the very top and find the column header for Track. Then Double
click any where on the track pad.
2. Navigate to any song's track column and then hit VO-| (verticle bar)
3. I believe there is a sort option in the view menu.

Best,

Jon


On 10/11/2010, Joshua Loya  wrote:
> Hello everybody,
> I was not able to make this happen without sighted assistance in Windows. I
> hope there is a way to do it independently with Voice Over on the Mac.
> When I am using the column browser, and I narrow the tracks displayed to a
> particular album, how do I get them to be displayed in the same order they
> appear on that album, instead of alphabetically by artist or song title?
>
> Thanks,
> Joshua
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Re: VmWare Fusion Discount

[Jonathan Cohn]

In the back of one of the Take Control books dealing with Windows on a
Macintosh, there is a coupon for I believe $10 off of Fusion.  Can the
two discounts be combined?

Thanks,

Jon


On 10/11/2010, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> Hi, folk,
>
> No, I don't work for Vmware, and I'm a blind Mac user. I just wanted to
> point out that there's a promotion going on through the 17th of this month
> for $20 off Fusion. I wasn't going to buy it at $79, but I broke down at
> $59. :)
>
> HTH,
> Teresa
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Re: greyhound, webkit/safari, and voiceover: oh my!

[Jonathan Cohn]

Well, I just tryed the site with XP, IE6 and Jaws 11 and found that I
could not do a search.

Though I have to say more and more sites are not working with IE6.
The form fields were not properly labeled, most of the form fields are
edit boxes that will accept arrow keys (in jaws one has to quote the
arrow keys with insert-f3)  And the focus was completely lost after
any data was put into a field.  On the good side, there is a
"traveling with disabilities" link that provides phone numbers for ADA
complience and booking travel for persons with extra needs, so I
expect we could fit into that category.

I might try from home, to see if I can get it to work better with the Mac.

Jon
had entered data in

On 10/11/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> Oh I can't even get the search function to work and I gave up. I was trying
> to buy grayhound tickets for a friend but gave up. lol! it was terrible.
> On Nov 10, 2010, at 11:42 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>
>> Hi list:
>>
>> I was just wondering if anyone's used the greyhound website to buy tickets
>> with webkit and voiceover?  I tried it last night.  It's useable, but I
>> also found the process mildly frustrating.  Part of that could have been
>> due to the fact it was after midnight and I was tired, however.  :)
>>
>> If anyone has any tips/tricks for maximizing my efficiency with
>> greyhound's website, I'd appreciate them.
>>
>> Take care.
>>
>> -John
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Re: pasting date and time in Text Edit?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Well,  I don't believe there is a built in function for that, but I
believe a one could quickly set up an automation, and then enable it
as a text function to work in all standard text input fields.  Would
you want the standard Ddate as specified in the Internationalization,
or a special format.   It is quite amazing all the diffferent styles
of dates that are available in the International section of system
preferences.

Jon
insert Hebrew and English dates specififed

On 08/11/2010, John Sanfilippo  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Is it possible to paste the current date and time at the cursor location in
> Text Edit?
>
> John S
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Re: Reading word by word or character by character

[Jonathan Cohn]

I have sometimes seen this and thought it had to do with interaction
levels, but was not able to push the cursors back together again using
the standard VO*F4 commands.  Perhaps the problem will have vanish in
the new OS update?

Jon



On 10/11/2010, Marlaina Lieberg <1guide...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mary,
>
> I am only just beginning to play with q n.  I do not yet know how to read
> words or characters with it, but it does seem to make other things easier.
> I'd love to hear more about ways it can help, but only if you have time.
> I'm asking a heck of a lot of folks on this list, but oh my gosh I am
> learning so much!
>
> Marlaina
> On Nov 10, 2010, at 11:36 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
>
> The function of read by characters or read by words with quicknav is one of
> the things I really like about it. But there is what I consider a bug and
> wonder if others agree. Say you are in the middle of some text with qn on
> and you want to get the spelling of a word or read word by word from the
> place where you are at that moment. I find that changing to words or
> characters results in qn starting from the beginning of the focused element
> rather than reading me the word or characters starting from where I actually
> am in the text, which may be several lines away from the start. Is this how
> its suppose to be? Makes no sense, since navigating using the "navigation"
> setting works to move line by line in such texts for instance.
> Mary Otten
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Re: longshot help with odsagent error

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hmm,  DNSD almost sounds like dynamic DNS which is a Apple name for
the functionality that allows the macintosh to find printers and Apple
disk shares on the network. Sorta a standards based netbios if I
understand netbios correctly.  Searching my think pad right now...


On 11/11/2010, erik burggraaf  wrote:
> Hi guys, my windows xp virtual machine is throwing up this spurious
> error.
>
> DNSAgent.exe failed to load component.
> The application failed to start because DNSSD.dll could not be found.
>
> Has any one encountered this?
> I'm running vmFusion 3 with the current vmware tools installed.  My guest OS
> is windows xp pro sp3.
>
> I've tried re-installing the network driver.  That didn't work.  I've tried
> re-installing vmware tools, nothing doing. I've tried crying but this
> computer never has been known for a sympathetic bent.  I've tried google
> searching, and it seems that ODSAgent is some apple cd and dvd sharing
> business.  Unfortunately that was the most useful thing I got.  Everything
> else was registry cleaners and dll download sites, most of which looked even
> sketchier than trying to muddle along without dns support on windows.
>
> Just to see what would happen, I pinged google on the mack side and got the
> current IP address for www.google.com.  When I put the ip address into
> firefox in my windows vm it gives me the google homepage, so I have internet
> access, but apparently DNSSD.dll is part of something windows uses to
> resolve dns and so as long as I have the website's IP address I can connect,
> but if I just type in a www, it doesn't go.
>
> If any one has suggestions on how to fix this, my appreciation would know no
> bounds.
> Thanks,
>
> Erik Burggraaf
> User support consultant,
> One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in
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