Re: Begininer-PLZ HELP.

[Valerio Valerio]

Hello,

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:43 PM, akhilesh ashwin wrote:

> Hi,
> I am a 3rd year undergraduate student, computer science and
> engineering in India.
> My ambition is to do a Gsoc project in Maemo .Could you please give me
> information on how to go about the whole thing.Should I start with
> freemantle or diablo?Its pretty confusing.Please help me to develop
> myself for Gsoc.
>

GSoC '10 is almost over, so only next year if we get accepted, in that case
you should look at meego[1].

[1] - http://meego.com/

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Re: Deleting Project PyGTKEditor from Garage

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,


2010/3/24 Benoît HERVIER 

> Why are you saying that i m trying to divide the Maemo Community ?
>
> So Maemo is as closed as Apple iThings  Store ?
>

That's a joke right ?

We can t provide apps without the approbation of the community ?
>

Yes, you can, as you know.

>
> Uploading things to extras is a pain ... rules changes ... stupid
> votes ... bug in the interfaces that noone take care... fixing a bug
> for a package in extras could takes several weeks due to the QA
> Testing process ...
>

Afaik, all your packages are following to the QA rules, the votes can be
changed, if you feel that someone made a bad judgment you can show them
that, what's the problem ?

Please don't tell me again that you spend more time packaging that writing
code, that can't be true, the packaging only need to be done once.

>
> I cannot say to user to set extras-devel repository ... there is too
> much package that can brick n900 device ... HAM ignore apps that are
> in other repository if they are already in extras !!! So what ?
>
> I m a hobbist developers, i m doing it for free ... and today it s
> take more time to trying to make packages available in extras than
> creating new apps and implementing new feature !!! Why ... you should
> try to found user to test your apps, answer to wrong vote, wait bugs
> to be fixed in the web interface, and more !
>
> So creating my own repository is the best compromise ... Today i ve
> already delete my garage account as x-fade is now sure that i ll not
> publish anything more on extras repository ... what you want ? if you
> are not happy with that do not use my repository ... BUT STOP WHINNING
>

I'll not discuss your decision of creation your own repository, and I can
understand that, but don't you think that deleting all the maemo records
about you(losing karma, future DDP, sponsorship for events) is a very
childish attitude ? Here's the harm ?

There's a lot of people supporting you inside the community, is because they
like you, I also appreciate very much all your contributions, but I can't
understand your attitudes.

!
>
> But i got so many complain about creating my repository that now you
> win ... you know what ? Today i m writing code to create packaged
> python apps for android, and i ll probably stop all my maemo
> development ! I know that this n900 will made many damage to the
> community ... but i was optimist ... i was thinking more users, better
> for the plateforms ... failed
>

Again very childish, sounds like: Hey I'll switch to Android and ruin Maemo.
:)

We're all adults here(except qwerty :P), let's behave that way. We tried to
make a good QA process is not the best one in the world but it keeps
improving more and more, the process is totally OPEN for improvements, and
we're here to help, also I don't see anyone else with such big
complains.(yes the process is slow)

Best luck for you if you leave us.

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>
> Yes there is discussions, talk, brainstorm ... and other discussions,
> emails on the mailing list but ZERO actions taken. This was my first
> experience in an true OSS community ... but probably the last.
>
> FELICITATIONS you loose an other dev ! Your so closed mind IS DIVIDING
> the community !
>
> 2010/3/24, Frank Banul :
> > One person setting up their own repository is hardly dividing the
> > Maemo community, IMHO.
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Michael Cronenworth 
> > wrote:
> >> Benoît HERVIER wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Once the package will be removed from extras, extras-testing, and
> >>> extras-devel you will be able to install the new version from my own
> >>> repository.
> >>
> >> Why are you attempting to divide the Maemo community?
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Re: GSoC project - aGLESory

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Javier S. Pedro wrote:

> 2010/3/19 Thomas Perl 
> > I *think* the idea behind aGLESory is to make it easier to start
> > creating projects utilizing OpenGL ES for Maemo/MeeGo. Right now, if
> > one was to use Xlib to create a "Hello World"-ish GL ES app, it would
> > look like this:
> >
> > http://wiki.maemo.org/SimpleGL_example
> >
> > There's too much boilerplate code (setting up the X window, etc..)
> > which makes it hard (or a copy'n'paste job) to start a new project
> > utilitzing OpenGL ES.
>
> Shameless promotion: SDL-gles, which removes quite a lot of the boilerplate
> and doesn't require patches to the upstream SDL nor the maemo one. It's
> already in -devel and in use by at least one game.
>
> 2010/3/19 Valerio Valerio wrote:
> > These idea came from TMO, but I've already contacted the author. My
> > understanding of the idea is a bit different, I think is basically a
> > wrapper from OpenGL to OpenGL ES, in order to easily port OpenGL
> > games/apps to Maemo.
>
> I agree, the wording makes it sound that way.
>

Flandry confirmed, I was right about his idea, but we are open to other
proposals that can improve the portability of OpenGL apps to Maemo(OpenGL
ES).

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Re: [GSoC] Google apps.

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Ville M. Vainio  wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Dmitry Fomin 
> wrote:
>
> > I have a question about Google apps project - "Implement small
> applications
> > and corresponding
> > reusable libraries (Qt C++) for integrating with Google services like
> Mail
> > (quick read/search
> > without going through IMAP), Todo:s, Buzz, import opml from Google
> Reader".
> >
> > Which google services are intended to be implemented? Or the students
> should
> > propose ideas?
>
> Unless I misremember, it's up to the students to create a proposal
> that "sells" the project (and themselves). People at Google (or was it
> the accepted organization? can't remember..) then vote on the
> proposals, scores are counted and approval/rejection of the proposal
> and the project is done.
>

Exactly, is up to the students to research and make a proposal, there's a
lot of competition in GSoC, if the student does not do the homework, will be
unlikely to be chosen.

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> For this particular project, I'd imagine a student should do some
> pre-study to determine what services nicely overlap as far as google
> APIs are concerned - I'd imagine gmail + todo to be a good choice, for
> example, since google buzz apis seem unrelated (ostatus). Buzz
> supports could be a separate project.
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Re: gsoc project 2010 !

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 6:03 PM, anky  wrote:

> wen through the idea at ur referred link...i wanted to do something
> like that only...just that it would integrated using maemo libraries.
> I wanted to know about hows the idea and is it something like that
> because somebody else has already mentioned it somewere, that i can
> not use it...because i dont think thats the case. Thank you
>

Qt was not chosen as a organization for GSoC, so we (maemo.org) will
continue promotion this idea.

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> On 3/18/10, Valerio Valerio  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 5:16 AM, anky  wrote:
> >
> >> i wen through this idea on the ideas- list
> >>
> >>
> >> "Implement small applications and corresponding reusable libraries (Qt
> >> C++)
> >> for integrating with Google services like Mail (quick read/search
> without
> >> going through IMAP), Todo:s, Buzz, import opml from Google Reader "
> >>
> >> It would be nice to develop an application which can integrate with
> google
> >> services... i was interested in developing a reusable api for the google
> >> apps and to develop small applications using that and it would also help
> >> future maemo developers to build application using the reusable library
> >> code.
> >> I think that integrating with google apps is a much needed  addition to
> >> maemo and would really help in a lot of further applcations and
> services.
> >>
> >> Would it be nice as a gsoc idea and i was looking for someone to mentor
> me
> >> for the same...
> >>
> >
> > The selected organizations will be announced today, after that, if we are
> > chosen, we'll attribute mentors to the projects in the list.
> > There's a similar project idea under the Qt organization:
> > http://groups.google.com/group/qt-gsoc/web/project-ideas
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
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Re: GSoC project - aGLESory

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

2010/3/19 Thomas Perl 

> Hello!
>
> 2010/3/19 Carolina Simões Gomes :
> > If possible, I'd like to know more about the aGLESory project, in order
> to
> > begin forming my ideas about the project proposal.
>
> (I'm not the one who proposed the project, so I might be wrong about
> the motivations and ideas behind "aGLESory".)
>
> I *think* the idea behind aGLESory is to make it easier to start
> creating projects utilizing OpenGL ES for Maemo/MeeGo. Right now, if
> one was to use Xlib to create a "Hello World"-ish GL ES app, it would
> look like this:
>
> http://wiki.maemo.org/SimpleGL_example
>
> There's too much boilerplate code (setting up the X window, etc..)
> which makes it hard (or a copy'n'paste job) to start a new project
> utilitzing OpenGL ES. I guess most of this is covered by using Qt and
> its QGLWidget, which can be subclassed to implement the
> rendering/setup: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/qglwidget.html - This
> also provides texture loading using QImage. Still, maybe a more
> "lightweight" solution with Xlib and DevIL, packed into a nice, little
> C++ framework is what aGLESory is about (maybe with some additional
> helper classes to make it easier to get started).
>
> It would be nice if Flandry (the "reporter" on the GSoC ideas page)
> could elaborate a bit on what the idea is exactly. I've added myself
> as a possible mentor for this project, as it does interest me
> personally :)
>

These idea came from TMO, but I've already contacted the author.
My understanding of the idea is a bit different, I think is basically a
wrapper from OpenGL to OpenGL ES, in order to easily port OpenGL games/apps
to Maemo.

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> HTH.
> Thomas
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Re: gsoc project 2010 !

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 5:16 AM, anky  wrote:

> i wen through this idea on the ideas- list
>
>
> "Implement small applications and corresponding reusable libraries (Qt C++)
> for integrating with Google services like Mail (quick read/search without
> going through IMAP), Todo:s, Buzz, import opml from Google Reader "
>
> It would be nice to develop an application which can integrate with google
> services... i was interested in developing a reusable api for the google
> apps and to develop small applications using that and it would also help
> future maemo developers to build application using the reusable library
> code.
> I think that integrating with google apps is a much needed  addition to
> maemo and would really help in a lot of further applcations and services.
>
> Would it be nice as a gsoc idea and i was looking for someone to mentor me
> for the same...
>

The selected organizations will be announced today, after that, if we are
chosen, we'll attribute mentors to the projects in the list.
There's a similar project idea under the Qt organization:
http://groups.google.com/group/qt-gsoc/web/project-ideas

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Re: [GSoC] - Interested in Canola project

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

2010/3/18 Marcin Juszkiewicz 

> Dnia czwartek, 18 marca 2010 o 14:49:54 Denis Weerasiri napisał(a):
>
> > I'm interested in Canola project, but I couldn't find any documentation
> > regarding this
>
> First would be nice to contact Canola authors to get information do they
> plan
> any development of it. Application require changes to follow Maemo5 style
> (placement of back button for example).
>

Exactly, the application doesn't work fully under Maemo5, so this is a low
priority project, first we need a fully working Canola for Maemo5.

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> > And I saw the project idea "*Canola UPNP plugin*" via
> > http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2010/Project_ideas
>
> http://openbossa.indt.org/canola/add.html lists UPNP plugin already
>
> > and got and read few documents about the UPNP protocols. Can anyone
> redirect
> > me if there's any source which I can get an overall idea of this project?
>
> http://openbossa.indt.org/canola/ probably
>
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Re: GSoC project - aGLESory

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi Carolina,

first thanks for your interest in the Maemo Community.

2010/3/15 Carolina Simões Gomes 

> Hello everybody,
>
> My name is Carolina, I'm new to this list and a new-grad Computer Engineer
> from Brazil. I've recently been accepted in the MSc in Computer Science
> program at University of Alberta, in Canada. I work remotely for a Finnish
> open-source company named Nomovok since November 2009, being a regular Qt
> contributor and part of the qt-performance team since then. I'm interested
> in the aGLESory project, which I believe would be a good fit for me, given
> my background in games development (I've developed Nintendo DS games during
> an internship) and graphics programming.
>
> Is the project confirmed to be on GSoC?
>

As any other organization applying for GSoC, the Maemo Community was not
chosen yet to take part of the program, the results will be revealed next
Thursday, keep an eye in this mailing list.

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Re: possible a gsoc project ?

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 4:41 PM, b0unc3  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've a idea on mind, browsing the brainstorm I found that there are many
> interests/requests for a better notification system[1].
> I think I can provide an implementation for the proposed solutions #2 and
> #3 (or moreover for the #3 that sounds better).
> Since this project can/would be simple I don't know if it can be considered
> a valid GSOC project, and before updating the GSOC wiki page
> I would like to know what you think about.
>

Seems short for a 3 months projects, IMO.

More about the program here:
http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs

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>
> [1] : http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/notifications_widget/
>
>
>
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Re: Google Summer of Code Proposal

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi Sukhbir,

thanks for your interest in the Maemo Community.

On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Sukhbir Singh wrote:

> Hello everyone.
>
>
> I am interested in developing for Maemo under Google's Summer of Code
> program and the project 'Answering Machine/Call Rejector' on the Ideas
> page interests me particularly.
>
> I have been using a Nokia phone ever since I can remember and I used to
> love the 'Screened Number' features the classic Nokia phones allowed.
> However, as I kept upgrading my phone, I noticed that such a feature was
> never there (Nokia E63 now), even on the high-end phones. The need for a
> blacklisting software led me to some commercial S60 software (I won't
> mention the names though).
>
> I find it odd saying, but I have expertise in this field! I have been using
> such software for two - three years now on a variety of S60 phones, and I
> know what features should be there. Specifically, I feel the need for :
>
> 1. Blacklist - Calls you don't want to attend at all.
>
> 2. Whitelist - This feature is not usually found in many commercial
> software also, but it is required. There are many-a-times you want to
> receive calls only from a few numbers and automatically reject the other
> ones. If you blacklist some numbers, that works only for the contacts that
> are you in your phone book. Otherwise for unknown numbers, the phone does
> alert you. When you want to attend calls only from a few numbers, then
> Blacklisted numbers don't do justice.
>
> 3. Support for text messages screening - Again, whitelist and blacklist. I
> think the blacklist/ whitelist for voice calls should be different from text
> messages. This again I base on personal experience.
>
> 4. Time based call rejecting - Set it up and forget!
>
> If any developer is interested in mentoring this, please let me know. I
> think this is a must have feature. Coupled with the answering machine
> function, it can work out wonderfully.
>

As any other organization applying for GSoC, the Maemo Community was not
chosen yet to take part of this year GSoC, the results will be revealed next
week, then if we get accepted we'll start assigning the mentors to the
projects.

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Re: German Maemo OS on US device?

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Christopher Intemann wrote:

> Hi,
> is it possible to install the German localisation of Maemo-OS on a US
> device?
> I'm wondering how open Maemo *really* is.
>

Humm, can't you change the language via settings ? If there's some specific
FW for the US version, the easy way is reflash the device with the global
FW.

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Re: External Repository and HAM

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Attila Csipa  wrote:

> On Monday 08 March 2010 18:43:02 Graham Cobb wrote:
> > It must be made clear to testers that giving a thumbs down (or up) MUST
> > always be on the basis of their own, direct observation.  It would be
> > unacceptable for a tester to give a thumbs down "because Attila has
> already
> > given a thumbs down and added a comment" as it is possible that you had
> > made a mistake, or it is possible that the developer has added a comment
> > which explains why the thumbs down was incorrect in this case.
> >
> > As long as each tester personally verifies that they can see that the
> > problem is there, and it is a showstopper, then it seems a reasonable
> > optimisation.
>
> Again, keep in mind that the issue here was with the bugtracker non-
> compliance, and that *IS* something that can be instantly verified (and I
> certainly don't expect anybody to t-down without making sure that a listed
> error actually exists - not that I'm that big of a factor in the
> testing-squad
> to expect anything from anybody :). In fact, if you take a look at my votes
> you'll see that I did not t-down mikkov's Kobo package even though many
> others
> did exactly because it was unclear to me whether it was offending the
> bugtracker rule or not.
>
> To reiterate an important point with the bugtracker issue - IMHO it should
> be
> editable from the packages user-interface (just like screenshots), and the
> XSBC field just used as a last-resort manual override. Think about it this
> way
> - the only way to change a bugtracker link is to force thousands of people
> to
> download the SAME package again (even if we forego the whole -testing
> issue),
> just so that a different link would appear on the maemo.org site ? MASSIVE
> overkill.
>
> And that's a two birds with one stone, right there - that would mean
> bugtrackers are no longer blockers, i.e. testers thumb down, the author
> fixes
> it in the package interface and the testers change it to thumbs up and it
> can
> be promoted, everybody happy, no quarantine or tester time wasted.
>

I totally agree with that approach, something similar to what Mikkov
suggested.
At least I don't see any use for the bugtracker outside the
maemo.orgdomain(package interface&downloads), or I'm missing something
here ? is
there real value to have it embedded in the package ? any future plans for
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Re: ma...@gsoc ‘10 – Call for ideas and mentors

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Valerio Valerio  wrote:

>
> After a successful participation in Google Summer of Code ‘09, the Maemo
> Community intend to apply this year again, in order to have a strong
> proposal we need everybody’s help. We are currently looking for project
> ideas, mentors and backup mentors.
>
> Do have a killer idea for a Maemo application ? Add it here:
> http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2010/Project_ideas
>
> If you want to help as a mentor or co-mentor, read this instructions:
> http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2010/Mentors<http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2010/Project_ideas>
>
> For this year, we intend to concentrate the students efforts around
> end-user applications, but improvements to other projects under the
> Maemo/Meego umbrella are also acceptable and welcome.
>
> Follow the discussion here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=535538
>

we are still looking for a few more mentors and project ideas in order to
enrich our proposal, specially in areas that the current mentors does not
have enough knowledge and there are proposed projects (for e.g: telepathy,
tracker, etc.. ).
Any kind of contribution is welcome.

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Re: External Repository and HAM

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

2010/3/8 Benoît HERVIER 

> By this thread i didn't want to launch a debate on why i'm creating my
> own repository, but as it s on the table now :
>
> - There is change in rules that happen frequently which seems to
> depends on phase of the moon.
>

Like what ? The CLI rules that took several months to reach a consensus ?

>
> - There is latency in the display things in the maemo.org/packages/
> interface which result of thumb down. Example : Last time i change the
> bugtracker link this one was ok in the package but it tooks 3 hours
> for this one to be displayed correctly in the web interface -> Result
> : thumb down and comment saying that the bug tracker link is wrong ...
> and of course other people vote thumb down without verifying nor the
> link in the interface nor the link in the control file of the package.
>
> - Sometimes package is never displayed to the package web interface
>  so cannot promote it.
>
> - Sometimes promote package result is an php error, which mean that
> the package will be not promoted and cannot be anymore without
> publishing an other version and try again.
>
> - Sometimes icon display on the newest package is taken from an older one.
>
> - Sometimes changelog displayed on the armel version is taken from the
> i386 package (occur only when the armel package version of an app is
> newer than the i386 one)
>
>
Did you filled bug reports about these issues ?

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 - I'm not agree with some QA rules, like the fact that you should
> point as bug tracker the enter_new.php page so you do not let user
> made a search before or display the current know bug, so it ll result
> in duplicate bugs.
>




> - It s look like some users are here just to put thumb down just to
> gain some karma.
>
> Also about bugzilla :
>
> - Creating a nice user interface to help user to automatically put
> bugs directly on the tracker from their nit is not possible ... as
> b.m.o use bugzilla and i cannot modify it to accept creation of new
> bug from elsewhere than the ui.
>
> - Submitting bugs require a lot of patience actually, as i take
> several minutes to validate it (servers too slow ?) .
>
> - Asking a new product or version in b.m.o require delay, as it s  not
> something automated, but require you to send an email.
>
> And the most important things which guide my decision, is that
> currently, many thumb down make me angry as there was wrong vote, and
> the fact that i m passing more time to package than to develop didn't
> help.
>
> As all of my apps depends on python, it ll not create a "package
> dependancy hell."
>
> "I am not sure if you were around in the early days", i was, but i
> found that actually it s worse. Take a look for example on
> maemofrance.fr they say to all their readers that if they want
> interesting apps they should add extras-devel in ham... but as you can
> see there is many things that can break device in extras-devel
> actually.
>
> "the developers have to understand that the testers are not slaves"
> I didn't consider testers as slaves, but i consider today myself as
> slave of the qa testing process.
>
> "If you drop out of Extras then you are not only causing damage to the
> community (due to the proliferation of repositories) but also severely
> limiting your access to users."
>
> The purpose isn't to causing damage to the community, but it s
> actually too borring to trying to publish things to extras than
> creating my own repository which is, i think, actually the better
> solution i have ... The worst is stopping all publications of my
> applications ... or just put the source code on my web site and
> letting user installing it manually. At least i know 3 developpers
> currently which consider to not upload to extras. And instead of that
> creating there own repository, i didn't know there real reason ... i
> just can imagine.
>
> The other solution i see is creating my own Application Installer ...
> there is already two, one for maemo repository and one for ovi ...
> adding an other one will be really confuse.
>
> But if there is someone which want to made the packages and publish it
> to extras he is welcome.
>
> Actually i'm just trying to found the best solution, but i think in a
> near future i ll not publish anythings anymore to "extras".
>
> 2010/3/8 Matan Ziv-Av :
> > On Mon, 8 Mar 2010, Graham Cobb wrote:
> >
> >> On Monday 08 March 2010 13:09:52 Benoît HERVIER wrote:
> 
>  2010/3/8 Thomas Perl :
>  "I don't know if Khertan's problem is technical or political"
> >>>
> >>> The both, as i'm tired of fighting against bug and wrong thumb down in
> >>> QA Testing.
> >>
> >> Thomas, I was not aware that there was a problem with the autobuilder,
> >> with no
> >> workround, preventing some packages from building.  That is definitely a
> >> severe problem and I will certainly push hard for a solution.  Thank you
> >> for
> >> your efforts and your patience.
> >>
> >> Ben

Re: External Repository and HAM

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

2010/3/8 Benoît HERVIER 

> >Why wouldn't it?  Do we have a policy against this?
> Because noone will test such package. It s already difficult to have
> vote for real apps, so imagine for a dummy package :)
>

The testing Squad is testing every single package that lands in
Extras-testing, the process is slow, but we're improving it.

As for the criticism about wrong voting please point me where are these
issues, the votes are changeable(thanks to Neils), so this can be fixed, but
the developers have to understand that the testers are not slaves, if simple
things aren't right the package will be immediately voted down. The
developers are responsible to double check the packages before promote them,
in order to avoid these situations.

The Testing Squad is working in some improvements and clarifications that
will be proposed later to the community.

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> >Maybe you need to cripple your last release to get it to
> > build and past QA, but maybe that is worth it...
> Maybe it s not the reason ...
>
> > Very roughly:
> Yep but it s help me a lot ! Thanks !
>
> Best regards,
>
> Le 8 mars 2010 14:42, Marius Vollmer  a écrit :
> > ext Benoît HERVIER  writes:
> >
> >> (or even automatically configures your
> >>  new repository and package domain, but you didn't hear that from me,
> and
> >>  if you do that, please don't do it silently).
> >>
> >> Anyway it ll not past QA Testing :)
> >
> > Why wouldn't it?  Do we have a policy against this?  Ahh, you probably
> > mean there is a chicken-and-egg here: you can't upload to Extras anymore
> > in any case.  Maybe you need to cripple your last release to get it to
> > build and past QA, but maybe that is worth it...
> >
> >>>create a new "package domain" for it.
> >>
> >> Have you some explanations on how to do that ? or maybe link ?
> >
> > I think I'll write something up in the immediate future.  Lucas Maneos
> > has done it for Diablo updates, please try to Google that.
> >
> > Very roughly:
> >
> >  - create a repository
> >  - create a GnuPG keypair and sign the repo with it
> >  - create a package that
> >   - installs the public key with apt-key add
> >   - drops a file into /usr/share/hildon-application-manager/domains/
> > that looks like this:
> >
> > 
> >  
> >   unique-name
> >   fingerprint-of-keypair
> >   250
> >  
> > 
> >
> >
> >  - create a .install file for the package above
> >  - tell people to install that .install file.
> >
> > After this, you can upload packages to the repository and HAM will allow
> > them to update packages from Extras.
> >
>
>
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Q&A rules for CLI apps (was: New HAM CLI icon)

[Valerio Valerio]

HI,

(Intentionally cross-posting :))

after some discussion we finally have defined Q&A rules for command line
applications, these apps should address two extras checks in order to be
promoted to Extras:

* The application uses the CLI icon[1] in the application manager.
* The application description clearly says that the application only runs
from the command line.

Big thanks to Tim Samoff for his work in the CLI icon.

[1] - http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/Command_line_applications

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Re: Garage project takeover

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Graham Cobb

> wrote:

> On Wednesday 24 February 2010 08:12:05 Niels Breet wrote:
> > I'd like to get an OK from the council so we all agree on this. If there
> > had been data in the project it was a more difficult decision, but now it
> > seems completely empty.
>
> I agree that this is probably the correct thing to do.  However, I would
> like
> to make sure the current admin has a fair chance to object.  After all,
> maybe
> he is on holiday?
>
> I suggest a "formal" email from Niels, in the name of the council,
> notifying
> him that someone else wants to take over his project and that the council
> agrees.
>
> As the project is currently empty, and so nothing will be lost, I would
> give
> him 1 more week to respond to that email.
>

Yup, agree with these rules, is not the first time that someone wants to
takeover a garage project, can't recall correctly who asked me the same
thing, but that person got a reply from the 'old' administrator.

>
> If the project had content but seemed to be abandonned I would say the
> process
> should be to give him 2 weeks to respond, then archive the project before
> handing it over (is there a way to rename an existing project so it could
> be
> named "-old" or something?).
>

If renaming is possible would be a better option IMO.

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Re: Graphical Interface designer for Qt

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:54 AM,  wrote:

> Does someone could tell where to find a GUI designer for Qt?
>

http://qt.nokia.com/products/developer-tools


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> I search for it on google but I did not succeed.
>
> Thanks!!
>
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Re: Source Code Availability

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 1:50 AM, Edward Johns  wrote:

> Hello,
> I sort of (possibly naively) expected to be able to see the source
> code for anything that is available in any of the maemo.org
> repositories but, unless I missing something, that doesn't seem to be
> the case. Some packages in maemo.org > packages  have a link to the
> source, some don't.
>
> Am I looking in the wrong place or is making source available not a
> requirement for submission to the repositories? (I'll admit at this
> stage that I've not looked into the repository submission process
> yet).
>
>
http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_extras

There's a non-free repository where you don't need to provide the source
code, just the binary.

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Re: WLAN support for Maemo

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 5:33 AM, Octav Chipara  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm starting to work on a project involving WLAN (infrastructure & adhoc)
> using the N900s. I was wondering if there is any examples of how to use the
> Meamo's connectivity library. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.
>

Here are some docs:
http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Connectivity_Components/Maemo_Connectivity

HTH

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Re: Is mauku open source, i.e free or is in non-free?

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Riku Voipio  wrote:

> On 01/27/2010 09:54 AM, ext Ryan Abel wrote:
>
>> On Jan 27, 2010, at 2:28 AM, Henrik Hedberg wrote:
>>
>
>Thanks, I know. But as I said, "[t]here have not been any discussion,
>>> announcements or instructions how to really handle QA in the non-free
>>> section." Thus, the non-free section in Extras does not officially exists.
>>> There is only procedures how to upload it into extras-devel.
>>>
>>
>  Er, yeah, as far as I'm aware the process is very nearly the same. . . .
>> I'm inclined to believe that you should probably seek to enlighten your
>> opinions with more fact before spreading them around.
>>
>
> Well, such misunderstandings are likely to be caused by the poor extras
> instructions. Which exact page should Henrik read to get enlightened?


http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_extras

Improvements welcome.

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Re: Is mauku open source, i.e free or is in non-free?

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Ryan Abel  wrote:

>
> On Jan 27, 2010, at 2:28 AM, Henrik Hedberg wrote:
>
> > Ryan Abel wrote:
> >> On Jan 26, 2010, at 4:07 PM, Henrik Hedberg wrote:
> >>> Jeremiah Foster wrote:
> >>>
>  Bug #7505 asks if mauku is open or closed. According to the bug
> report, it looks pretty closed.
> >>> ...
>  What should we do here? Move this to non-free?
> >>>  I am very aware of the meaning "free" here. Mauku was uploaded into
> the free section because there was (is) no non-free repository in Extras.
> However, the community insisted to close all external repositories and use
> Extras instead (done that). In addition, Ovi Store was not (is not, it is
> still beta) available for distribution channel.
> >> http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/non-free/
> >
> >   Thanks, I know. But as I said, "[t]here have not been any discussion,
> announcements or instructions how to really handle QA in the non-free
> section." Thus, the non-free section in Extras does not officially exists.
> There is only procedures how to upload it into extras-devel.
>
> Er, yeah, as far as I'm aware the process is very nearly the same. . . .
> I'm inclined to believe that you should probably seek to enlighten your
> opinions with more fact before spreading them around.
>

The process it the same, the packages end up in the same queue, for example
some of FMS's emulators are in the non-free section and they were tested and
promoted to Extras.

If you need some help feel free to ask.

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Re: "Donate $x" button on Packages and/or Downloads

[Valerio Valerio]

Hey,

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Sascha Mäkelä wrote:

> Yes, I would definitely be in favour of a centralised donation system.
> However, instead of the suggested amount set by the author, why not
> have a general minimum amount (say like €1) accepted per app? Then the
> the user who wants to donate, would select the amount and the app(s).
>

Seems a really good plan, I'm with Sascha here, we can agree in a minimum
and eliminate one of the extra fields.

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> Thanks,
>
> Sascha
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 13:55, Andrew Flegg  wrote:
> > BACKGROUND
> > ~~
> > A number of articles recently have talked about Ovi Store as the only
> > "real" app store for Maemo; massively overlooking
> > http://maemo.org/downloads/
> >
> > Similarly, as Ovi takes off, it is interesting to think about how
> > micro-payments for ones software could make one a bit of money (100
> > users at $1 each is a nice present); but whilst still having our
> > software as open source. There've been suggestions in the past of a
> > "Donate" button on each project's website, but I suggest we thrash out
> > a scheme - and then implement - a consistent micro-donation system for
> > maemo.org
> >
> >
> > REQUIREMENTS
> > 
> >  * User can make quick donations to apps they like.
> >  * There is a suggested amount, set by the author, to indicate
> >that even small donations are appreciated.
> >  * The button is in a consistent and logical location, with
> >the easiest place to put it on maemo.org/downloads/ and
> >probably also maemo.org/packages/.
> >  * Developers can receive donations direct from the users, without
> >maemo.org taking a cut.
> >
> >
> > SPECIFICATION
> > ~
> > Two new debian/control fields would be introduced:
> >
> >  XB-Maemo-Suggested-Donation - amount, in dollars (or euros) which
> >  would be shown on the button. If not present, no donations
> >  are expected.
> >
> >  XB-Maemo-Donation-Recipient - email address to whom user will
> >  be donating.
> >
> > Downloads and Packages would be updated[1] to show a button at the
> > bottom right of the package description:
> >
> >   "Donate $2" (showing the amount from Maemo-Suggested-Donation)
> >
> > ...with a small "what's this?" link underneath linking to a help page
> > explaining that it's entirely voluntary, maemo.org takes no cut and is
> > a direct donation, using PayPal, between you and the maintainer.
> >
> > Clicking the button will use the PayPal API[2] to redirect the user to
> > a "$PACKAGE donation" page with the amount prefilled and the recipient
> > fixed.
> >
> >
> > NEXT STEPS
> > ~~
> > There are Brainstorm and Talk threads on this issue; so the
> > next-steps, as I see it are:
> >
> >  * Link up discussions from elseweb.
> >  * Find a stakeholder (happy for it to be me)
> >  * Come to a consensus on the technical implementation, and get signed
> off
> >by X-Fade.
> >  * Develop the changes and submit to maemo2midgard.
> >  * Test, deploy & use.
> >
> > Perhaps this is an opportunity to use the project management approach
> > outlined by Stskeeps[3]?
> >
> > Comments, as ever, very welcome.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> > [1]
> https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=maemo2midgard
> > [2]
> https://cms.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?&cmd=_render-content&content_ID=developer/e_howto_html_donation_buttons
> > [3] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41092
> >
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Re: How to destroy your community

[Valerio Valerio]

Hey,

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Jeff Moe  wrote:

> On Wednesday 20 January 2010 18:17:30 Jeremiah Foster wrote:
> >   1. Maemo.org DNS should probably be on physically separate
> networks, with redundant servers worldwide. DyDNS can do this cheaply, there
> were other suggestions as well.
>
> Yes, would be very nice. Then the admins wouldn't have to wait for Nokia to
> make the changes (which appear to be very slow) and could just do it
> themselves directly. With DirectNIC (and likely most others), you can even
> set the TTL in a *web form*. So days in advance the TTL could be set to one
> hour, so in worst case that would be the longest people would keep stale
> data in their caches. Click click! Done.
>
> >   2. The maemo.org repositories should be mirrored in the free
> software community at places like Ibiblio or similar, to provide a measure
> of redundancy.
>
> Yes. First step in this is to set up an rsync server. I have a sample
> config here:
> http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Espejo#rsync
>
> I also think that database dumps (say weekly) should be done of the wiki
> and be available for download. I can dig up a SQL command (e.g. that leaves
> out user/pass info) if you want. This way others can make backups and then
> it could also be used with (the very cool) offline mediawiki viewer
> evopedia.
>
> Basically, if infrastructure data can be put in an easily downloadable
> format for copying, it should be. The more copies downloaded, the better. :)
>
> >   3. Whatever ISP is chosen to host the site should feel like a
> stakeholder in the success of the maemo community. They should feel
> motivated for things to work 24/7.
>
> Definitely. /me takes third swing: and just who is this ISP right now? I
> know akamai is in the picture, but apparently someone else is hosting the
> main part (e.g. the NFS/SAN ISP). I wouldn't even go as far as say they
> should be a "stakeholder", they just need to provide industry standard
> quality. Any ISP that isn't "motivated" 24/7 should be dropped. I think one
> extended outage of the nature we saw over the weekend is enough even (e.g.
> the hunt for a new ISP should begin immediately).
>
> >   4. The community should be allowed to help with the infrastructure.
> Perhaps some services should be entirely released to the community? Or maybe
> start using community resources like the SuSE OBS?
>
> The first part of this would be to document what is there already. Also,
> document the current procedures (publicly--the IRC logs seem to indicate
> there is an internal Nokia wiki with this info). I have a feeling if the
> server move procedures had been public, lots of good suggestions would have
> been made by the various sysadmins on this list (e.g. it appears they didn't
> even think about changing DNS TTLs--surely many on this list would have
> caught that). We apparently have people on this list who have managed
> projects even larger than Maemo--their experience should clearly be
> leveraged. "Many eyeballs make all bugs shallow" applies here too.
>
> >   5. Greater communication and transparency from the maemo staff.
>
> Definitely. Each move needs to be announced somewhere. For developer issues
> (e.g. the builder, anything to do with SSH keys, etc.), this list seems an
> appropriate place. For another announcements (e.g. the server move in
> general) perhaps talk.maemo.org would be best in some stickied thread
> until the move is over. Qaiku I think is about the worst place, as for
> anyone to followup they need to get yet another account and there isn't
> really a good mechanism for discussion in short "tweets". One excellent ISP
> I use has a dedicated list to this--for example see:
> http://frii.com/support/fta/
>
> Also, perhaps I'm missing it, but it seems really hard to even figure out
> who the maemo staff is. Perhap I'm missing the obvious wiki page with this
> info (ala http://wiki.maemo.org/People ). Who is the paid maemo staff?
>

http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_team

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> Sincerely, your unpaid paying customer,
>
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Re: [maemo-devel] List emails subject prefix

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Edward Johns  wrote:

> Hello,
> I feel a little cheeky asking this when I've only just joined the list
> but I was wondering if anybody else thinks it is a good idea to have
> mails to this list (and the other maemo lists) prefix the subject line
> with the name of the list. This is a technique used on most other
> lists I subscribe to and can be done automatically by Mailman (using
> the subject prefix option in the list personality settings).
> It is a great help to those of us subscribed to several different
> lists that we access via different clients.
>
> I have manually set the subject of this post as an example.
>
> Any takers?
>

Seems good, but since you're using gmail, you can setup a "to:" filter and
add label for each list with a different color, of course it only works if
you read gmail mostly from the web (my case :)).

Anyway your suggestion should be implemented.

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Re: Promotion to extras

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:17 PM, ds  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> some weeks ago I promoted to extras. I could not find any changes.
>
> I have Karma 11 in extras testing: Why is there not promotion link now?
>

The packages have to pass 10 days of quarantine[1] in testing before the
promotion link appears.

[1] - http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing

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>
> Last time it was.
>
>
> http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/vncviewer/0.6.4-fremantle2/
>
> thanks a lot
>
> Detlef
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Re: Command line applications and Extras

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Graham Cobb

> wrote:

> On Friday 08 January 2010 17:24:22 Valerio Valerio wrote:
> > > N!!!
> >
> > Well the community made a decision, it was discussed during a long period
> > of time here and in TMO, don't you think we should respect the community
> > decision ?
>
> I don't think the community made a decision.  I think the community has
> many
> different views with nothing having majority support except that users need
> an easy way to ignore command line apps.  My recollection of the part of
> the
> community that lives on this mailing list was that the preferred option was
> the icon/badge and I thought that was what we were working towards.
>

Seems that Andrew is right about brainstorm, will fail miserably again.


>
> > Don't know if I get it, your suggestion is to not change anything ?
>
> My suggestion is to do four things:
>
> 1) Require all user/ packages which do not install an application icon to
> use
> the community-defined icon or badge to indicate that. Note that this is
> nothing to do with whether the UI is GUI or command-line or no UI at all --
> it is about whether it installs an application icon and it is intended to
> reduce user confusion.
>
> 2) Add a package field to mark the app as command-line so that future user
> interfaces can, if they wish, implement controls to allow users to hide
> command line apps.  Exact mechanism was still TBD but something like
> debtags
> seemed to be favourite.
>
> 3) Enhance HAM to implement the "hide/show command line apps" option (using
> the field introduced in 2) to reduce clutter for people who don't want to
> see
> command line apps.  This is how I interpreted the meaning of "switcher" in
> the brainstorm solution 3 and I would be happy to support that.  I am not
> happy to support any abuse of the "category" field.
>
> 4) Meanwhile, add popularity and ratings filters to maemo.org, possibly as
> part of application karma or possibly separately.  And strongly encourage
> new
> users to use maemo.org for finding new applications.
>
> My personal view is that 4 is the real solution to not just this but many
> other QA issues: let the users tell us which apps are good.  If we invest
> the
> effort in that we can save a lot of angst about all sorts of arbitrary
> rules
> in QA and get the QA process back to focusing on serious issues like device
> stability, etc.
>

Good points, I agree with them, but I'm afraid that with all the stuff
happening, we'll not seeing it happening any time soon, since it does not
depends entirely on the community. Feel free to carry this task if you want.

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Re: Command line applications and Extras

[Valerio Valerio]

HI,

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Graham Cobb

> wrote:

> On Friday 08 January 2010 16:27:07 Valerio Valerio wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > on a related note, some people are also suggesting a category for
> > plugins[1] and stuff that is invisible to the users until they activate
> > them(we've already a lot of them in the repos), I think I read about some
> > plans to add this category, not sure, but could be a good opportunity to
> > add this category as well.
>

Well the plugins category is out of scope here, was just a possible
discussion point.

>
> N!!!
>

Well the community made a decision, it was discussed during a long period of
time here and in TMO, don't you think we should respect the community
decision ?


>
> That is the whole problem with this "solution".  The **problem** is
> NOT "command line apps"!  The problem is "things which do not install an
> icon
> to run them".  CLI apps are the most visible examples today (because they
> are
> cheap to port, and because they are mostly, but not all, quite geeky) but
> they won't always be.  For the ordinary users they aren't interested in
> whether this app doesn't have an icon because it is a command line utility
> or
> because it is a behind-the-scenes daemon or because it is a control-panel
> applet or because it is a plugin or because it is an updated dataset for an
> application or ...
>
> We don't need one category for each of those.  We need a solution to
> identify
> things which do not install an "application" as far as the naive user is
> concerned (i.e. they do not install an icon in the panel of icons for
> applications).
>
> And the answer to that is not categories at all.  The category (network,
> office, system, game, ...) is completely othogonal to how it is invoked or
> used.  A new set of levels for a game should be in the games category, but
> it
> will not install an application icon.  openssh-server should be in the
> network category, but it doesn't install an application icon, nor is it a
> command line app.  openssh-client should also be in the network category
> and
> is a command line app.
>
> The CLI apps category is the wrong solution.  And adding more categories is
> even more wrong.
>
> The right solution is to use maemo.org instead of HAM as the way for most
> users to install things and for the website to show applications based on
> popularity.  If a command line app can rise to the top of the popularity
> list
> despite not having a GUI then that is great!  In practice it won't and the
> command line apps will be low down the lists in their categories (along
> with
> the clunky GUI apps, the non-finger-friendly apps, the buggy apps, etc.).
>

Don't know if I get it, your suggestion is to not change anything ?


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Re: Command line applications and Extras

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

on a related note, some people are also suggesting a category for plugins[1]
and stuff that is invisible to the users until they activate them(we've
already a lot of them in the repos), I think I read about some plans to add
this category, not sure, but could be a good opportunity to add this
category as well.


[1] - http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=459428&postcount=27

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On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Valerio Valerio  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Andrew Flegg  wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 16:05, Valerio Valerio  wrote:
>> >
>> [snip]
>> >
>> > A new category for the CLI apps seems very doable IMO, also these apps
>> > could use their icons in HAM or the icon done by the community for this
>> > propose.
>>
>> As an example of how Tim's icon looks, see here:
>>
>>   http://maemo.org/packages/view/tf/
>>
>> There are still ongoing design discussions about what we want the
>> community icon & badge to be:
>>
>>
>> http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2010-January/003658.html
>>
>
> Note that my proposal is not to all apps use the "community icon", if we
> get a new category, the CLI apps could use the upstream icon(e.g htop) if it
> exists or the community one if not.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
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>
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>
>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Andrew
>>
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Re: Command line applications and Extras

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Andrew Flegg  wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 16:05, Valerio Valerio  wrote:
> >
> [snip]
> >
> > A new category for the CLI apps seems very doable IMO, also these apps
> > could use their icons in HAM or the icon done by the community for this
> > propose.
>
> As an example of how Tim's icon looks, see here:
>
>   http://maemo.org/packages/view/tf/
>
> There are still ongoing design discussions about what we want the
> community icon & badge to be:
>
>
> http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2010-January/003658.html
>

Note that my proposal is not to all apps use the "community icon", if we get
a new category, the CLI apps could use the upstream icon(e.g htop) if it
exists or the community one if not.


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>
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Command line applications and Extras

[Valerio Valerio]

HI,

after some discussion on this topic seems that we've a winner[1]: Solution
#3: A new category/switcher should be implemented in HAM

A new category for the CLI apps seems very doable IMO, also these apps could
use their icons in HAM or the icon done by the community for this propose.

Are the responsible(s) for the Application Manager willing to implement this
change and ship it in a firmware update ? (pr1.2, pr1.3)

This seems to me a very trivial change, if the responsible(s) for this are
very busy I can offer my help to dig the code and submit a patch, but I'm
also very busy :) .

[1] -
http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/command_line_applications_and_extras/

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Re: Continued outages and lame updates

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

this email was sent to the council private list, but since there's nothing
private here, and the email has some valuable points/suggestions, I'm
replying here in the public mailing list.
I did some censorship in the email in order to avoid flame wars, since
there's some rants including names, if the author wants he can paste these
parts here, IMO these parts are not valuable to the discussion, so should be
avoided :).


On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Jeff Moe  wrote:

> I don't need to tell you that the *.maemo.org infrastructure is very
> broken.
> Surely you have experienced frequent outages yourselves. I haven't
> experienced
> such poor service from any other distro that I can remember, big or small.
>

True, but I've told you several times that there's a ongoing servers move,
this is more complicated that it seems (+ holidays).
Those older in the community know that before the users influx brought by
the N900, things were very different.

>
> I am writing to ask that some sort of Standard Operating Procedure be
> developed for handling outages and server updates. I have brought up some
> of
> these points on the maemo-devel mailing list (
> http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-January/023329.html):
>
> ==
> I think we should look to Fedora since they have a similar arrangement:
> "community" distribution with corporate overlord.
>
> This is how they do it:
>
> * IRC channel of admin issues: #fedora-admin and #fedora-noc where you can
> watch things "live".
>
> * Standard Operating Procedure for outages:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Outage_Infrastructure_SOP
>
> * *PAGER* access, available to the public, where you can page one of 9
> admins
> (a bit unbelievable, actually):
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pager
>
> * More people would know how the whole *.maemo.org infrastructure actually
> worked if information about it was public. The joke is that it runs on a
> N700.
> But people can make this joke because the actual server set up is known by
> only a few. Compare that to this dream:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Infrastructure_SOPs
>

It's a 770 ;)

I agree, we need more communication from the team that deals with the
servers.

>
> Anyway, they are doing things far better and I don't see people griping
> about
> outages over there much at all.
>
> What's the procedure for Maemo? Dive into #maemo-devel and hope someone
> knows
> WTF is up? Their answer is usually "wait for x-fade". Post to talk.m.o.?
> Hit
> reload on qaiku? Post a comment there? Add more here?
> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5818
>
> Surprisingly I was told by an @nokian that reporting to that bug *was* the
> correct place to report outages (!).
>
>
> Anyway, there are organizations all around the world that run servers
> 24/7/365
> with minimal outages that have more than 2 admins with access. That is
> obvious. The maemo infrastructure is no where near approaching 99% uptime
> (let
> alone .999s). A mere "40" submitted builds is also a loss of time and
> momentum
> of many developers...
>
> ==
>
> After further discussion (not in the thread) with Nigel Jone's from Fedora,
> there are *18* people that can fix Fedora buildserver issues. They use
> "git"
> and "puppet" to track configuration changes. None of this is majick or
> unique.
> These are standard system administration practices which should be followed
> by
> Maemo.
>
> Also, I have suggested using mirrors of content, which is what every other
> distro that I know of, big or small, community or corporate does. For
> instance
> see:
>
> http://www.debian.org/mirror/list
> http://www.novell.com/products/opensuse/downloads/ftp/int_mirrors.html
> http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist
> http://api.mandriva.com/mirrors/list.php
> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors
> http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/mirrors2.xml
> Even tiny distros like puppy linux have mirrors:
> http://www.puppylinux.com/download/
>
> Here is a thread I started on maemo-devel about mirrors:
> http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-January/023363.html
>
> I think the sysadmins should provide more info about what they are doing,
> what
> is planned, when the outages are coming, etc. This is in line with common
> practices. For instance, they could:
>
> * Send emails to maemo-devel (or whatever list), advising of forthcoming
> outages.
>
> * Send updates when they are aware of an outage (e.g. "the builder is known
> down, we're working on it")
>
> * Send updates when work has been complete ("the new garage server is up")
>
> Right now there are occasional "tweets" to qaiku, but this falls far short.
> If
> you need examples of this done correctly, let me know and I'll send you
> some.
>
> STFU and just sit and wait is not a good answer, but I've been hearing that
> for a month now. I have wasted much of the last month just waiting for
> things to work co

Re: Proposal: Karma-Whores protection mailing list

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

a little patience please for the QA changes, as some remember we agreed in a
couple of changes to the QA process that will improve it a lot, but due to
other factors these changes aren't implemented yet, I'll try to push the
process in the next few days. We also have a proposal of a team of testers,
with some 'special powers' to avoid 'manipulation' of the QA system and to
push apps that are stuck in a testing queue for a while, more on this soon.

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On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Marius Vollmer wrote:

> ext Ed Bartosh  writes:
>
> > I'll definitely find a time to do whatever is needed. Moreover, I was
> > asking couple of times already if it's time to enable optification by
> > default in autobuilder. I was given an answer that some testing is
> > still needed. I think Marius should know the latest status.
>
> I still have to do something about the Python optification.  I will do
> that in the next few days.  The 'something' will likely be some way to
> detect the relevant packages and to stop optifying them in auto mode.
> (Indirect dependencies are a bit expensive to follow, so my current idea
> is that I go with a list of direct dependencies instead.)
>
> Also, I want to improve the heuristic and the official rules for
> optification together that using maemo-optify will automatically make
> your package conform to the rules.  In other words, I want to avoid the
> situation where you need to do more than using maemo-optify to satisfy
> the QA criteria about optification.
>
> My current idea is that we will have a rule that takes in ratios: You
> need to have 20 times as many bytes (uncompressed) on the eMMC than on
> the OneNAND.  The idea with this is that when all packages conform to
> this, your will most probably run out of eMMC before you run out of
> OneNAND.
>
> I'll try to do that in the next few days as well.
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Re: How to do task switch inside a full screen application on Fremantle

[Valerio Valerio]

Hey,

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 3:12 AM, Sun Yalong  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> We are porting app from Diablo to Fremantle. Thanks to qt, we could do it
> much more easier.
> And we met a problem that when we want to do task switch from a full screen
> app.
>
> So is that possible to call something in our app to perform a event like
> clicked the task-switch-button.
>

You can do that via d-bus: dbus-send --type=signal --session
/com/nokia/hildon_desktop com.nokia.hildon_desktop.exit_app_view

HTH

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Then we could enjoy our app in fullscreen mode and do task switch by double
> click or clicking a button etc.
>
> And also I notice Terminal way to solve this problem: do full screen or not
> in Terminal itself. It's nice and inspiring a bit but the UI will change
> also in future. Or may be it's better to perform a task switch even in our
> app.
>
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Re: Command line apps & Extras

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Andrew Flegg  wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 14:27, Valerio Valerio  wrote:
> >
> > Voting open:
> >
> http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/command_line_applications_and_extras/
>
> How is Brainstorm supposed to work. I *think* I support solution #4,
> but - as I explained earlier - I think this should also be the option
> of an emblem so that a meaningful icon can also be shown:
>
>http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg22410.html
>
> This is effectively solution #4, but the concrete specification says
> "all [...] should use the same icon in the application manager".
> Depending on your definition of "icon" and "same", I either agree or
> disagree with this :-)
>

Add a new solution, I think that's the right way when things aren't clear
for you.

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Re: Command line apps & Extras

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

Voting open:
http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/command_line_applications_and_extras/

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On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 10:58 PM, Valerio Valerio  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Andrea Borgia  wrote:
>
>> Valerio Valerio wrote:
>>
>> >
>> http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/command_line_applications_and_extras/
>> > [2] -
>> >
>> http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/ovi_maps_improvement_suggestions
>>
>> How do I vote now? I am logged in but I only see the thumbs up/down near
>> the top instead of next to each proposed solution as it was earlier.
>>
>
> It seems that the proposals need to be voted to get in the "under
> consideration" queue, and only there you can vote in the solutions.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
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>
>>
>> A.
>>
>>
>
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Re: Command line apps & Extras

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Andrea Borgia  wrote:

> Valerio Valerio wrote:
>
> >
> http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/command_line_applications_and_extras/
> > [2] -
> >
> http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/ovi_maps_improvement_suggestions
>
> How do I vote now? I am logged in but I only see the thumbs up/down near
> the top instead of next to each proposed solution as it was earlier.
>

It seems that the proposals need to be voted to get in the "under
consideration" queue, and only there you can vote in the solutions.

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>
> A.
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Re: Command line apps & Extras

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

Ok, let's reach a final solution here.

I made a brainstorm proposal[1] with the best solutions proposed here, feel
free to add more.

Can some brainstorm expert point me how to add a TMO link in the proposal,
like some proposals already have[2] ?

Perhaps one of the mods can put this proposal directly in the 'under
consideration' basket, since was already discussed and is very important.

[1] -
http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/command_line_applications_and_extras/
[2] -
http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/ovi_maps_improvement_suggestions

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On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Thomas Perl  wrote:

> 2009/11/29 Graham Cobb >:
> > This whole discussion is a really short term problem.  Once there are 500
> > applications in extras, people aren't going to be going through the list
> in
> > H-A-M installing applications: they are going to be using the web pages
> > (Maemo Downloads) and the categories, ratings, reviews, etc. on those
> pages.
> > H-A-M will be used mainly for removing and upgrading applications.
>
> Or better: H-A-M will have a more prominently placed "search" function
> or HildonLiveSearch-based "all applications" list. Would solve more
> problems
> than just the question about command-line apps ;)
>




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Re: Updating the info for Extras-devel non-free

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Dave Neary  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I know I'm not the only one confused here...
>
> Quim says:
>  We are seeing more questions about this and actually the
>  current information is misleading since it suggests that
>  non-free packages can bypass the Extras-testing QA process,
>  which is not true.
>
> And Jeremiah says:
> > Here is the relevant line that I believe X-fade added regarding this:
> > "There is no promotion available for non-free. You need to upload
> > yourpackage to the right repository yourself." When he states
> > 'promotion' he is referring to extras-testing.
>
> This directly contradicts what Quim said - either non-free packages
> bypass the extras-testing QA process, or they don't. Which is it?
>
> > It is preferable that we make sure the wiki reflects reality rather
> > than just changing things on the fly. This page;
> > http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras-devel#.22non-free.22_packages
> > stated that non-free packages go through the same testing procedure
> > as free packages. This is not the case.
>
> I put this in place today, following Quim's mail. Previously it said
> "It's your responsibility to upload to the right place" or something
> like that.
>
> > Let's wait until Niels comes back so that he can explain exactly what
> > his code does, then we can decide if we want to change the policy.
>
> Perhaps part of Niels' tasks when he comes back should be to ensure that
> we don't need him to come back to explain what policy is? It seems like
> an awful lot of things depend on him being around.
>

Totally agree.

Here's a example of a non-free package:
http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_non-free_armel/fring/1.2.1.64-1

It seems to have a similar page structure to the other free apps on package
interface, don't know if there's a promotion button there(I'm not the
maintainer), but if no is because Neils disable it.

On a related topic is STILL possible to create a page at maemo.org and
insert a .install file pointing to a external repository, bypassing all the
Q&A Criteria (someone already did that :( ).

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Re: Erro Nokia Binaries

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Roberto Teixeira <
jose.robertoteixe...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> ello, Valerio... Yes, I add :
>
> teixe...@teixeira-laptop:~$ sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
>
>
> ## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the
> ## distribution.
> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ karmic-updates main restricted
> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ karmic-updates main restricted
> deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/
> 4bc37c7c77ebe90177c050b805a8dc79 nokia-binaries
>
>
Well, that's the sources.list of your PC, you've to add it to the scratchbox
source list.

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> . . .
>
> Next . . .
>
>
> [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > apt-get update
> Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk Release.gpg
> Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools Release.gpg
> Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk Release
> Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools Release
> Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/free Packages/DiffIndex
> Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/non-free Packages/DiffIndex
> Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/free Sources/DiffIndex
> Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools/free Packages/DiffIndex
> Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools/non-free
> Packages/DiffIndex
> Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools/free Sources/DiffIndex
> Hit http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/free Packages
> Hit http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/non-free Packages
> Hit http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/free Sources
> Hit http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools/free Packages
> Hit http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools/non-free Packages
> Hit http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools/free Sources
> Reading package lists... Done
> [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] >
>
> And, Next
>
>
> [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > fakeroot apt-get install nokia-binaries
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree... Done
> E: Couldn't find package nokia-binaries
> [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] >
>
> Ps.: I Installed Not using GUI installer
>
> Thanks
>
>
> 2009/11/20 Roberto Teixeira 
>
> Hello, Valerio... Yes, I add :
>>
>> teixe...@teixeira-laptop:~$ sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
>>
>>
>> ## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the
>> ## distribution.
>> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ karmic-updates main restricted
>> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ karmic-updates main restricted
>> deb http://repository.maemo.org/fremantle/4bc37c7c77ebe90177c050b805a8dc79 
>> nokia-binaries
>>
>> . . .
>>
>> Next . . .
>>
>>
>> [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > apt-get update
>> Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk Release.gpg
>> Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools Release.gpg
>> Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk Release
>> Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools Release
>> Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/free Packages/DiffIndex
>> Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/non-free Packages/DiffIndex
>> Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/free Sources/DiffIndex
>> Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools/free Packages/DiffIndex
>> Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools/non-free
>> Packages/DiffIndex
>> Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools/free Sources/DiffIndex
>> Hit http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/free Packages
>> Hit http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/non-free Packages
>> Hit http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/free Sources
>> Hit http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools/free Packages
>> Hit http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools/non-free Packages
>> Hit http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools/free Sources
>> Reading package lists... Done
>> [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] >
>>
>> And, Next
>>
>>
>> [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > fakeroot apt-get install nokia-binaries
>> Reading package lists... Done
>> Building dependency tree... Done
>> E: Couldn't find package nokia-binaries
>> [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] >
>>
>> Ps.: I Installed Not using GUI installer
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/11/20 Valerio Valerio 
>>
>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Roberto Teixeira <
>>> jose.robertoteixe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
&g

Re: Erro Nokia Binaries

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Roberto Teixeira <
jose.robertoteixe...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> This error :
>
>
> [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > fakeroot apt-get install nokia-binaries
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree... Done
> E: Couldn't find package nokia-binaries
> [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] >
>
>
>   I skipped some stage? but, I have to do?
>

Did you accepted the EULA and added the nokia-binaries repository in
/etc/apt/sources.list ? If yes, you need to run "apt-get update".

As I said there's a GUI installer that is designed for those with less
knowledge of Linux, the SDK installation is much more straightforward this
way.

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>
> Thanks !
>
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Re: newgrp: o grupo 'sbox' not exist.

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Roberto Teixeira <
jose.robertoteixe...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello, I using Ubuntu 9.10
>
>I Install step-by-step :
> http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_beta_2_sdk_installation/#32bitinstall(
>  The installation script adds the specified user to ‘sbox’ user group. For
> the group membership to be effective in the current terminal session, run
> the following command )
>
>   With command :   teixe...@teixeira-laptop:~/Downloads$ newgrp sbox
>
>But, error where :  newgrp: o grupo 'sbox' not exist
>

Did you tried to login into sbox (/scrathbox/login) or continue with the
installation ? as you can read in the instructions that step isn't
mandatory.

You can also use the GUI installer[1] for a easier and straightforward
installation of the SDK.

[1] -
http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html

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Re: Extras Testing to Extras, again...

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Andrew Flegg  wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 14:43, Cornelius Hald  wrote:
> > On Thu, 2009-11-19 at 13:48 +, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
> >
> >> I guess I should look around if some decision has been taken, I am not
> >> aware of any.
> >
> > I followed the (monster) thread almost completely, but I also did not
> > see any final conclusions.
>
> There was an IRC meeting which resulted in some conclusions and an
> action for further discussion. The conclusions were posted by
> Jeremiah;



> I've seen no discussion on the point about command-line
> packages.
>

I intentionally left that discussion on hold, in order to give more
attention to other topics, that are much more important IMHO, but I didn't
forget about it and will open follow up soon.

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>
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Re: Extras Testing to Extras, again...

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Aniello Del Sorbo  wrote:

> 2009/11/19 Valerio Valerio :
> > Hi,
> >> Anyway... actions should be taken and asap.
> >
> > Unfortunately we need a developer to implement these actions, Niels is on
> > vacations till the end of the month, afaik.
> >
>
> To implement what?
> I guess I should look around if some decision has been taken, I am not
> aware of any.
>
>
http://n2.nabble.com/Follow-up-from-QA-meeting-on-IRC-td3990526.html#a3990526

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Re: Extras Testing to Extras, again...

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Aniello Del Sorbo  wrote:

> So...
>
> I am sure I missed something... but what actions were taken to address
> this issue?
> I do have Xournal pacakge 20 for more than 10 days with 6 thumbs up
> out of 10 (i.e. more than 50% of people voted OK).
>
> I want to promote it to Extras.
> And I don't want to depend on others.
>
> I REALLY would like to see a Promote to Extras earlier in the process.
> It's up to me to wait enough time so that people can test it.
> Again, what I think it's missing is something to vote after the
> packages has been promoted to Extras so that the bad ones can
> be pulled out.
>
> If the fear is for malicious applications, then there's no way we can
> prevent those from going to Extras no matter how many days
> it's been in Testing.
> (a timer comes to mind).
>
> Anyway... actions should be taken and asap.
>

Unfortunately we need a developer to implement these actions, Niels is on
vacations till the end of the month, afaik.


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Re: Mails about ratings from "Downloads"

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Cornelius Hald  wrote:

> It also looks like there is something wrong with the rating interface.
> Just right now I got 10 anonymous ratings in just 3 minutes. Yesterday
> there was also a cluster of 6 ratings in about 5 minutes.
>
> Before yesterday I didn't even get one rating every month.
>
> To me it looks those are multiple ratings done (accidentally) by one
> person.
>
>
seems that is still possible to vote trough Maemo-select without login, I'm
still getting a lot of rating from anonymous, most of the times a bunch of
them as described by Conny.

Best regards,


Anyone else having that?
>
> Cheers!
> Conny
>
>
> On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 09:58 +0100, Cornelius Hald wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > does anyone think those mails (see attachment) are actually useful? It
> > does not say who rated my app (because it's almost always anonymous), it
> > does not say how high this person rated my app nor what the total score
> > is now.
> >
> > So basically it provides no information at all. I've got about 10 of
> > those mails since yesterday. So I would have two suggestions: 1) Don't
> > send out those mails or 2) Make them say something useful.
> >
> > What do you think?
> > Conny
> >
> > email message attachment, "Forwarded message - page Conboy has been
> > commented by (anonymous)"
> > >  Forwarded Message 
> > > From: maemo.org admin team 
> > > To: h...@icandy.de
> > > Subject: page Conboy has been commented by (anonymous)
> > > Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:14:46 +0200 (EET)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Link to page:
> > > http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-9763a89cadaa11dea310251e31f6601a601a
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Re: debhelper-maemo-package-icons

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Gabriel Schulhof  wrote:

> Hey!
>
> On Tue, November 10, 2009 13:49, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
> > This means we should remove our manually added XB-Maemo-Icon-26 line
> > from our control file and let this
> > command do the job for us ?
>
> Using this package is completely optional. I like it, because I don't have
> to do this manually. With this helper, the package icon is not located in
> two places (introducing the potential of being out-of-sync): in a file,
> /and/ in a control file field.
>
> > Where does it expect the .png file to be?
>
> If you have an icon debian/package-name.png, then
> package-name_version_arch.deb will have the icon. the helper assumes that
> debian/package-name.png is a 26x26 PNG file.
>

What about Maemo5 packages ? These should use a 48x48 PNG file[1].

[1] -
http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging%2C_Deploying_and_Distributing#Icons

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>
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Re: Testing marathon & Q&A Feedback

[Valerio Valerio]

HI,

some good points, but this isn't easy as it seems, some of the
suggestions here involve a lot of resources that maemo.org can't
provide right now, in my opinion, lets try to concentrate in the basic
improvements, following the actual testing criteria and adopting some
improvements.

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Ville Reijonen  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> just a bit more fuel on the fire :)
>
>> Just to chime in, thanks to all the folks taking the trouble to test apps 
>> they
>> might personally not even be interested in.
>
> Is the approval/karma process going to be actually a popularity contest?
> Popular titles get votes fast, a niche software will not. Unless there
> is regular testing marathons, I think this will be an issue.

Of course, I expect that people vote for the applications they use.
One idea already suggested in the past is the creation of testing
teams as you mention below.

>
>
>> We need more people doing this, so the effort could be split (e.g.
>> tester group A checks one app while tester group B checks another).
>
> One can not test everything on virtual machine. For good testing, one
> should have a device with a default setup so the effects can be observed
> - ie. energy usage, system configuration changes, compability, etc. Good
> testing takes quite a lot of time.
>
> Additionally, I would think that one does not want to just put any
> packages for testing on personal device with personal data. You might
> accept the risk for software you like (and trust for some reason), but
> not for all random packages -> popularity contest. As comparison,
> nothing should never be tested on a server in production.
>
> Who could have more than a one device, so one could be used for testing?
> Probably only somebody who is developing on the device for a company.
> I'm not, I could assume that there is many other hobbyists too..
>
>
>> - Does this bring karma ? I sure think serious testing is worth a LOT and do
>> not see that adequately reflected in karma. Could also be motivating in
>> bringing more testers to the table. Ways/ideas of making this abuse-proof are
>> welcome.
>
> Good QA is worth a lot. The testing karma system at worst is just a gate
> where the entrace criteria is "looks good or I want the new version".
> Why the testing karma is even labeled as karma, when people have karma
> too.. confusing. Should be acceptance points, manna, or something else.

You get karma for commenting and rating the applications, like in
other 'divisions' of maemo.org (Applications comments, news,
brainstorming,..), it's a form of reward for your collaboration, of
course it isn't perfect and can be abused.

>
> Maybe this manna/karma thing has been though out, but somehow if feel
> that the research for similar systems was not done before rolling it
> out. There seems to be too many holes, and I just though a while. Every
> serious linux distribution has some kind of QA system. Most of the
> software makers have QA systems. Do not invent the wheel again..

Well, if you can suggest a QA system already implemented that fit our
needs, we're listen.

>
>
> There is no separate queue for the security fixes as mentioned elsewhere
> in the thread. How is the security process run anyways?
> -> learn and imitate debian/suse/redhat..

That's one of the miss feature of the package interface among others.

>
> How and what the person tested before giving thumb?
> -> Checklist which has to be filled before vote, all QA checklist points
> has to be checked before acceptance, some by recognized persons.
>
> How to motivate to do the testing? How are the testers rewarded?
> -> Karma, priviledges, titles (devel -> tester -> senior tester->...)

Karma is already there ;).
>
> The testing and package history is not visible, just current comments.
> There should be a combined view with bugs etc.
> -> Hmm, Launchpad or some other system?

Another miss feature...

>
> Looking current queue first page, "libeet1" in queue - any takers? How
> one does test a library? There is just procedure for application. A
> library could be a can of worms.. or the next version could be..
> -> What are others doing..

Errr, wrong queue, try this one:
http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/
>
> Popular packages are voted more than others - popularity contest.
> -> Each application area such as command line, tools, games etc. should
> have their own group of people who take care of them.

Teams of testers, right.

>
> Until there is testers groups, upload a package, wait 10 days and
> register 10 accounts and upvote.. but luckily it going just to extras :)
> -> Upvotes should be accepted from known persons only. Otherwise there
> might be trust issues. Testing is already a priviledge. Nokia could
> support testers, for example with personal device and testing device.

Not that easy to trick the system, our community is very active, and
believe me, we're not sleeping here.


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Re: Testing marathon & Q&A Feedback

[Valerio Valerio]

HI,

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Attila Csipa  wrote:
> On Sunday 01 November 2009 15:20:07 Valerio Valerio wrote:
>> as some know yesterday we did a Extras-testing marathon, in order to
>> get more applications ready to Extras but also to test the Q&A process
>
> Just to chime in, thanks to all the folks taking the trouble to test apps they
> might personally not even be interested in. Special thanks to Valerio for
> spearheading/moderating the effort. He also listed most points that caused
> delays and grief during testing, I'd like to add only a few minor points:
>
> - The icon-cache (aka free space) leak bug make testing really difficult for 
> me.
> I don't have too much free space so had to reboot every 15 minutes. Not fun. I
> see this as a serious problem for end users, those who agree please vote bug
> up. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5450
>
> - Too many applications compared to time and available testers. The effort was
> valiant, but even so we hardly went through the first page, and even there,
> plenty of apps did not get 10 votes (regardless of up or down). We need more
> people doing this, so the effort could be split (e.g. tester group A checks 
> one
> app while tester group B checks another).
>
> - The approval process could have been more interactive - often the developers
> were right there, but because of the time of getting through the autobuilder,
> tester feedback response resulted only in a bug report, even though we could
> have had 'fixed' applications on the spot (online hackfest if you wish) - and
> appropriate votes to confirm the changes.
>
> - The discussed fix-or-promote dilemma. I promoted the latest version of my
> mini-app to testing in anticipation of larger tester response (previous
> version already had 7 karma at that point). Now the app has 4 karma and no new
> feedback. It's hard to recommend to people to upload newest versions for
> testing when that means they go to the end of the test queue.
>
> - Does this bring karma ?

Yes, two points per comment, 0.25 per thumb.

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 I sure think serious testing is worth a LOT and do
> not see that adequately reflected in karma. Could also be motivating in
> bringing more testers to the table. Ways/ideas of making this abuse-proof are
> welcome.
>
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Testing marathon & Q&A Feedback

[Valerio Valerio]

Hey,

as some know yesterday we did a Extras-testing marathon, in order to
get more applications ready to Extras but also to test the Q&A process
elaborated by the community. We had more than 60 testers (around 40
all the time), but not all actively participated, was good to see some
newcomers participating and learning more about Maemo :).
The testing was more slow than I expected, In about 5 hours, we tested
around 45 apps, but we write a lot of comments and bug reports that
will help to improve the tested applications for sure.
The major difficult that we faced was our maemo.org infrastructure,
most of the time was impossible to vote or comment a app, this was
very frustrating.

A lot of feedback was gathered around the Q&A process and the packages
interface, I'll name some of the improvements discussed below, if you
attended the marathon please report your experience as well, and the
help us improve the processes.

Package Interface:

- Developers should be able to remove their own apps from testing (at
lest the entry in the package interface) - We found some apps where
the developer explicit says to not vote the app, this helps to waste
more time.
- Voters should be able to change their votes - Mistakes happen,
sometimes we voted down a app, then the developer replies to our
comments, and we see that we did a mistake, but we can't change our
vote anymore.
- Only allow one vote per person - I think this is partially fixed,
but due to the lack of response from the servers, I saw a lot of
repeated votes and comments in some apps.
- Keep app karma - already discussed in other thread.
- Keep old comments - Put some kind of separator in the comments or
add a link to the old comments. It's easier to test based in the old
comments, we can test the major blockers first.
- Subscribe to comments option - Is really annoying to keep checking
the app comments page, seeking for a reply to our comments.

Q&A:

- THe Bug tracker shouldn't be a blocker, if their's a way to contact
the maintainer in the packages interface - A lot of developers don't
want to have a bug tracker for very small applications and they prefer
to receive the bug reports by e-mail, of course we should encourage
them to add their "bug contact" in the correct field, but almost
everyone agreed that shouldn't be a blocker.
- What to do with command line applications ? - I saw the reaction of
the testers when they installed some command line apps (Where's the
app icon ? Is this thing broken ? How to use it ?). IMO those are
'hackers' apps and an hacker will know how to install them, do we
really want these tool under /utilities or /network mixed with other
end users apps ? (IMO they should have their own category, if
/development doesn't fit here)

In general I strongly believe that we're in the right path, if we want
quality applications, we need to follow some criteria and we need to
respect the rules, same criteria for everyone, this is not a
popularity contest.
The only blocker that I see right now is the miss features in the
packages interface, as some already reported in other thread, is
really annoying start from zero everytime that a small fix is applied
to a app.
Improvements to the package interface is for me the highest priority
task that we've right now, this really need to be improved.


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maemo-optify - files < 4 kb aren't moved

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

from the "maemo-optify" readme[1]:

"Maemo-optify has a heuristic for selecting which files to move.  By
default, it will never move files that are less than 2kb and it will
only move directories that have the same name as the package."

Does the size of the files changed ?
An user noticed that the "supertux" game has about 1.6mb in the /usr
(15mb under /opt) , the files there are mainly a bunch of files with <
4kb (according to 'du -hs'). I'm using the upstream debian/rules (not
the best ones I've seen so far). I'll write a new rules file and put
everything directly under /opt, but I would like to dig a bit one it,
might be a bug or some special weird case.


[1] - http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify/blobs/master/README


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Extras-testing Marathon – Next Saturday (Oct 31)

[Valerio Valerio]

Are you a lucky N900 owner ? Want to help the Maemo Community ? This
call is for you.

In the next Saturday(Oct 31) from 2pm till 7pm(UTC/GMT) we’ll host a
testing marathon at #maemo-test...@freenode, in order to make more
awesome community applications available for end users. This marathon
will be also a test for our community Q&A process[1], we want to test
it and improve it before the N900 hits the shelves.

If you’re a developer, make sure your applications are in good shape
before the testing marathon.

More info: http://www.valeriovalerio.org/?p=289
Join the discussion here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33164

[1] - http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing

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Re: My first day as maemo.org distmaster

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Andrew Flegg  wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 14:03, Carsten Valdemar Munk  wrote:
>> Starting from today, I will be officially starting my work as
>> maemo.org distmaster. Nokia has gracefully sponsored this position for
>> the community at the request of the maemo.org community council.
>
> Congratulations! And can I be the first to say "thank you" to Nokia
> for seriously considering our proposal. It's a testament to the level
> of trust and respect that the community (and the Community Council)
> have in the eyes of Nokia's decision makers...
>
> ...of course, it helped having such a strong candidate as Carsten available!

very glad to see this new position, congrats to the ones that made it happen.

My best wishes for our new member of the gang-of-four, err... now
should be gang-of-five :)

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>
> Cheers,
>
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Re: extras-testing QA checklist (proposal)

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Attila Csipa  wrote:
>
> On Saturday 24 October 2009 02:37:33 Valerio Valerio wrote:
> > > If we forego b.m.o, how do we identify this on the alternatively
> > > suggested packages page ?
> >
> > In your package debian/control file add: Xsbc-Bugtracker:
> > bugtracker_web_address
>
> Hm, I did that, the .deb *does* contain the Bugtracker: field, however, at the
> package page, it is not listed (also missing seems to be the homepage field,
> but that's a different matter). See
> http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-
> devel_free_armel/mirror/2.0-2 Time to poke Niels ? :)

try to put the bugtracker field below the package name (you have it in
the 'source' section), Above/below "XB-Maemo-Display-Name:" for
example.

HTH

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>
> > > Is bugs.maemo.org really the preferred option ? There is no visible
> > > automatic,
> > > or user level registration of projects there, nor clear guidelines how to
> > > register a projects with b.m.o.
> >
> > A bit hidden, but: http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Adding_Extra_products
>
> Ah, I was hunting for Category:Bugzilla and Bugzilla in general so it didn't
> quite come up on top of the results :)
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Re: extras-testing QA checklist (proposal)

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Attila Csipa  wrote:

> On Thursday 22 October 2009 14:31:38 Quim Gil wrote:
> >> Feedback please. This checklist is common for developers (before
> >> promnoting their applications to extras-testing) and betatesters (before
> >> giving them farewell to reach Extras).
> >
> >Lack of bug reporting database
> >
> >http://bugs.maemo.org is the preferred option. Otherwise it needs to be
> >identified in the http://maemo.org/packages/ page.
>
> As you might have noticed :) I ran into this one myself, so (after a short
> chat with GA on irc) I'd like to clarify a few things, potentially of
> interest
> to other folks in -testing, too:
>
> Is bugs.maemo.org really the preferred option ? There is no visible
> automatic,
> or user level registration of projects there, nor clear guidelines how to
> register a projects with b.m.o.


A bit hidden, but: http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Adding_Extra_products



> According to GA, the process includes manual
> intervention and there is also no grouping (by Maemo categories), so it has
> great potential to get messy when projects start to migrate en masse to -
> testing. Opening a product for 'mirror', a one-liner script, for example,
> seems like a huge overkill.
>
> If we forego b.m.o, how do we identify this on the alternatively suggested
> packages page ?


In your package debian/control file add: Xsbc-Bugtracker:
bugtracker_web_address

HTH

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Again, I found no apparent way of entering such information on
> the page, nor wiki guideline (surely we don't want that sort of things
> stuffed
> into package descriptions?).
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Extras-testing Marathon

[Valerio Valerio]

Hey,

FYI: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33164

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Re: lost in extras-testing as a donkey in the mist

[Valerio Valerio]

Hey,

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Niels Breet  wrote:

> On Mon, October 19, 2009 16:12, Attila Csipa wrote:
> > Foreword: I'm an extras-testing newbie, I went through
> > http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing and hoped to push a simple script
> > (called 'mirror') to regular users (=extras). I did extras(-devel) stuff
> > for Diablo, but had a few things that oops-ed me here, so I'd like some
> > clarifications so I can leave my current 'I are baboon' state.
> >
> > a) what are the relations of extras-testing to nokia-applications
> > repositories ? My script depends on gstreamer0.10-plugins-good-extra
> > which is there, and lcuk pointed out that it is listed to be missing
> > dependencies
> > (
> http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_nokia-applicat
> > ions_explicit_armel/gstreamer0.10-plugins-good-extra/0.10.15-git180-0maem
> > o8+0m5/ ). To add my confusion there are even packages there that have
> > 'missing
> > dependencies' that depend purely on libc6 (
> >
> http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_nokia-applicati
> > ons_explicit_armel/libspeex1/1.2~rc1-1maemo7+0m5/ ). So who is depending
> > on what here and who is supposed to provide/promote what ?
>
> Oops, this was a configuration mistake on my part. I didn't setup the
> links between the repositories for nokia-applications and device root
> filesystem.
>
> It should look a lot better for you now?
>
> > b) if there were failed dependencies, how did my upload/promotion to
> > extras-testing go through ? Or does that 'missing' mean something else ?
>
> This change was made last week, so that is when the issue was introduced.
>
> > c) there is no 'add application' link on
> > https://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/
> > and I can't select Maemo5 as the OS if try to add it from 'another' page
> > that has that link. Are apps going to be added automatically by the
> > promotion process, or do I need to apply/do something to get that option
> ?
>
> Applications which manage to reach Extras through the QA testing process
> automatically get an entrance in Maemo5 Downloads.
>
> >
> > d) Is there a coordinated way of getting testers for karma to promote to
> > extras ? I made an announcement thread on talk, but wasn't quite clear
> > about whether the once-planned tester group exists, do they get notified
> > automatically, or do I need to do something extra to request evaluation,
> > the wiki didn't quite make that clear for me.
> >
>
> This is where we need to work on. We have the basic technical framework in
> place, now the human part needs to be addressed. Testing of applications
> in the queue needs to be encouraged more. Maybe we can organize
> application test meetings, where a group of people come in and help
> testing applications.
>

Liked the idea, I think I gonna give a try to a testing marathon :).

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>
> Another problem we need to address is prevent that applications stay in
> the queue for too long without testing. I've proposed to create a group of
> well known and knowledgeable community members who can make an executive
> decision based on a strict list of technical requirements for a package.
> If X amount of them agree the app meets the criteria, promotion is
> unlocked for the developer.
>
> I would really like someone else to take up organizing the human part, so
> I can concentrate on the technical implementation of this all. There are
> only so many hours in a day :)
>
> > I'm sorry if this stuff has been addressed before, if it was, it slipped
> > under my radar and my google skills failed me. Hints, pointers welcome.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Attila
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Re: WRT or W3C widgets

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Andre Klapper wrote:

> Am Samstag, den 17.10.2009, 21:10 +0100 schrieb Delfim Machado:
> > Hi all,
> > does anyone have more news about this?
> >
> > thanks!
> >
> > DM
> >
> > On Sep 1, 2009, at 12:09 PM, Delfim Machado wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > > i've searched in the archives and found nothing about this, so here is
> > > my question.
> > >
> > > Since this is "mobile computer/OS web 2.0", do you plan to support
> > > WRT/
> > > W3C widgets?
>
> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31833 :
> Currently not supported in Maemo 5.
>

I saw some demos running on Maemo5 at the summit (videos will be available),
looks very easy and powerful ;)

More slides:
http://www.slideshare.net/olevine/handson-development-with-nokia-web-runtime

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> If I remember the Summit correctly it's on the list for Maemo6.
>
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Re: Nokia N900 cannot connect to WPA2 + PEAP + MSCHAPv2 Wifi Networks

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Andrea Grandi  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> 2009/10/13 Andre Klapper :
> > Feel encouraged to also add this piece of knowledge to
> > https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1635 :)
> >
> > andre
>
> no wait :(
>
> I really talked too fast! Connection manager has a lot of problems, in
> my hopinion
> first of all I got disconnected lot of times... then I was able to
> connect again but the connection manager said my status was
> disconnected, even if I was chatting on Gtalk... so I think there are
> some more problems.
>

this issues can be related to the power saving settings, I had the same
problems with some routers.
Go to Settings -> Internet connections -> Connections, then choose the
connection and hit the edit button, follow the setup till the end. At the
end you'll see the "advanced" configurations button, go to the third
tab(others) and change the power saving settings (this can drain your
battery much faster).

HTH

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> Please don't take my previous reply like a workaround.
>
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Maemo Summit hotel room allocation - spare rooms

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

we've some spare rooms/beds at the Ibis hotel[1], since the rooms are
already paid, we'll give the opportunity to no-sponsored participants to
stay there. All the rooms have two beds, we don't have any single room
booked.

If you're interested in one of those rooms, please send a e-mail to
coun...@maemo.org . We'll attribute the rooms in a "first come first served"
basis.

[1] -
http://www.ibishotel.com/gb/hotel-1556-ibis-amsterdam-centre/index.shtml

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Re: Asking for developers and user support for a N900 application

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Adrián Yanes  wrote:

> I think that for simyo (Spain) the command it's: *111#  ( try it ). In
> Finland it's the same than Germany (*100#).
>
> In the other hand about the API I was reviewing PulseAudio and
> Telepathy documentation and I didn't find nothing for make calls or
> dial numbers, maybe we should wait and seen what happens with oFono. I
> was checking the API of Android and iPhone and they have methods for
> "make a call" or "dial" so I hope that maemo include it.
>

Probably not officially released, but exists. One of the hack of the PUSH
N900 project[1] used it to send SMS's (see Speak & Spell hack).

"When you complete a text message, the D-Bus messaging service is used to
send your message to the phone number that you entered."

[1] -
http://tinker.it/now/2009/09/15/rewind-rethinking-old-school-devices-using-the-nokia-n900/

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>
> Regards.
>
> Adrian
>
> 2009/9/30, Andrea Grandi :
> > Hi,
> >
> > 2009/9/30 Cornelius Hald :
> >> Here is some more information:
> >>
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unstructured_Supplementary_Service_Data
> >> http://www.geckobeach.com/cellular/secrets/gsmcodes.php
> >>
> >> But yea, you need a way of dialing numbers from python and of getting
> >> the result back. Not sure if that is possible. At least I've seen no API
> >> for that.
> >
> > I could try to provide a python binding if the C API would be
> > available, but I don't think we have access to these API at the
> > moment...
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Re: Nokia PUSH N900. Now open for submissions.

[Valerio Valerio]

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Reggie Suplido <
reg...@internettablettalk.com> wrote:

> Hacker's Guide released: http://bit.ly/3epzBN
> Any info if the sample projects will make it to the Maemo Summit?


Dunno, but according to the Tinker.it! guys, they will release the source
code (mainly pygame bits) of the sample projects and all the instructions to
build similar one's.

PS. I'm uploading some videos of the projects in action ;)

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>
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
>
>> Yeah they seem to have fixed most of it, according to this twitter:
>>
>> PUSHN900
>> Morning. Everything (pretty much) is live on the site now, so dive in
>> and let us know what you think.
>>
>> Aniello
>>
>> 2009/9/15 Valerio Valerio :
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Alexander Bokovoy 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Quim Gil  wrote:
>> >> > Maemo developers, don't miss this:
>> >> >
>> >> > Nokia PUSH N900. Now open for submissions.
>> >> > http://blogs.nokia.com/pushn900/?p=365
>> >> Site is broken, links to submission lead to the same blog page, no
>> forms
>> >> there.
>> >
>> > Works here: http://blogs.nokia.com/pushn900/index.php/submit-an-idea/
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > --
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>> >
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>> >
>> >>
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Re: Nokia PUSH N900. Now open for submissions.

[Valerio Valerio]

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Alexander Bokovoy  wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Quim Gil  wrote:
> > Maemo developers, don't miss this:
> >
> > Nokia PUSH N900. Now open for submissions.
> > http://blogs.nokia.com/pushn900/?p=365
> Site is broken, links to submission lead to the same blog page, no forms
> there.
>

Works here: http://blogs.nokia.com/pushn900/index.php/submit-an-idea/

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Re: The Summit: Git/Gitorious - Untracked talks: consider adding them...

[Valerio Valerio]

Hello,

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Graham Cobb

> wrote:

> On Friday 04 September 2009 13:46:01 Jamie Bennett wrote:
> > But does this admiral goal translate well to a presentation or something
> > else?
> >
> > I see this not as a presentation, but more of a collaborative effort
> > with like-minded individuals hence I suggest a BOF. We have a lot of
> > physical space at the Summit. I'm sure we can get room for a BOF session
> > on DVCS practices with the results presented in a lightening talk the
> > next day and reported on the wiki. How does that sound?
>
> A BOF seems more appropriate to me.  I like that suggestion (although it is
> bound to clash with something else!).
>

Note that we do have a room for special activities[1] (almost booked for
Saturday).

About the talk as I said in the wiki, my opinions goes in line with Jamie's,
an LT+BoF session sounds like a good plane to me :) .

[1] - http://tinyurl.com/n5u8k5*

*David, thanks for raise this here.

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Re: Getting information on N900 build (was: Developer device program)

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 2:21 PM, ds  wrote:

> Am Dienstag, den 01.09.2009, 15:04 +0200 schrieb Andre Klapper:
> > Am Dienstag, den 01.09.2009, 14:51 +0200 schrieb ds:
> > > Can anybody test programs on the N900 device?
> >
> > A few people are currently testing some applications. I don't think that
> > testing all available apps before the N900 gets released is possible
> > though as there's also lots of other stuff to do - you can imagine.
> >
> > > Would be happy to know, if my application is working :-)
> > >
> https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=4451&group_id=119&atid=505
> >
> > It does not install. See
> >
> http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/vncviewer/0.6.1-diablo1
> >
>
> Thanks a lot, I did not know where to find this. Do you have any idea,
> why this is not indicated during building the application?
>

Because is a runtime/install dependency.
Check this:
http://wiki.maemo.org/Q%26A_Porting_to_Fremantle#maemo-select-menu-location:_command_not_found

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Re: WRT or W3C widgets

[Valerio Valerio]

Hello,

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Delfim Machado  wrote:

> Hi all,
> i've searched in the archives and found nothing about this, so here is
> my question.
>
> Since this is "mobile computer/OS web 2.0", do you plan to support WRT/
> W3C widgets?
>

I guess Nokia WRT will be supported, according to the Maemo Summit talks[1],
but I don't saw any official announcement on that so far.

[1] - http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Schedule

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Re: Code cookbook for Maemo?

[Valerio Valerio]

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Andrea Grandi  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> 2009/9/1  :
> > Hi,
> >
> > A few guys from our product management got an idea of a 'code cookbook'.
> A sort of wiki-like place where you could copy-paste snippets of code, tag
> and comment on them. Then by searching on the tags or text you could find
> pieces of code that do a specific thing.
>

Good idea, IMO, but we need to implement a similar system to
code-cookbook.com, or Midgard has something that can be used/recoded ?


>
> I think it's a good idea! Anyway I'll try to propose again the same
> idea I told to Quim during the Maemo Summit 2008: why don't we try to
> write a book on Maemo programming?
>

Sorry, but couldn't resist :D : http://littlechina.org/~lfelipe/etrunko.png


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> Please don't reply me with: but... writing applications for Maemo is
> like writing applications for Linux, because it's not :P
>
> There's a lot to say about how to setup development environment, which
> IDE to use (how to use ESBox for example), how to create packages,
> explaining Hildon widgets ecc.
>
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[GSoC 09] - Project testing - Liqbase Framework Development and Application Implementation - GSoC 2009 Project

[Valerio Valerio]

Hello,

First I want to thank Zach for the idea of an 'liqbase' project and for
convince Gary Birkett (lcuk) to be his mentor.

Here is some feedback about the project:

*The documentation aka Liqbase Application developer tutorial[1], is a very
nice document with a simple overview of the liqbase api, well done :)

*Moncells app[2] - Proof of concept app on top of liqbase - worked well, the
installation is easy and the app is easy to use, however I've a couple of
suggestion/complains:

- An debian package of moncellsd for debian/ubuntu will be very useful;
- Some strings are cut in the cells that aren't associated to a machine
(e.g: ram_usa..);
- When I submit a new connection the information is associated to
'localhost' or '127.0.0.1' cell, IMO the cell should show the real address
of the machine;
- A option with the last machines monitored will be very useful also.

God job Zach!!

[1] - http://blog.zachhabersang.com/?p=129
[2] - http://blog.zachhabersang.com/?p=200

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[GSoC 09] - Project testing - Picasa plugin for Canola

[Valerio Valerio]

Hello,

Just tested the 'Picasa plugin for Canola' project, and everything works as
expected :), prefect integration inside the Canola UI and with the hildon
input methods.
I only have a suggestion, since exist some free space in the 'Image info
dialog', why not add there the camera model ? Photo geeks love to see this
kind of details :)

Great job Andrei!!!

Ps -> Want to give a try ? Grab the package here:
http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009/Projects/Picasa_plugin_for_Canola

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[GSoC 09] - Project testing - Mnemosyne for Maemo

[Valerio Valerio]

Hello,

some thoughts about Mnemosyne project:

* UI -> Very slick UI (Congrats Max ;) ), but since I'm not familiarized
with this kind of applications, I can't understand all the available
features, perhaps a UI walkthrough explaining all the available features
should help :)

* Sound -> Can't test this feature, since no sounds are provided.
Max, can you point me some sounds to use here ?

* Package -> menu icon is missing, and the package isn't available trough
maemo-extras, although IMO, with a few teaks the app is ready for extras.

Great job Max ;)


Ps-> installation instructions here:
https://www.assembla.com/wiki/show/pomni/How_to_install

Ps2 -> During the test, I learned two Russian words :P

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GSoC project testing - BitTorrent plugin for Canola - feedback

[Valerio Valerio]

Hello,

just tested the BitTorrent plugin and everything worked as expected.
Congrats Lauri !!!

However I've two thing to point:

* I installed the package via console with root privileges, and it failed to
satisfy one of the dependencies (python-json), although that package is
available in my installed repos, after install it, the plugin installed just
fine, don't know if it's my fault, but better check it :)
* I don't like too much the background and style of the torrent description
box, it don't fits well in the rest of the design IMO.

Ps -> if others wants to give a try, grab the package here:
http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009/Projects/BitTorrent_plugin_for_Canola

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Re: Re: Re: strange urllib2 error , Is this a bug ? if so any way to resolve it

[Valerio Valerio]

Hello,

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 2:02 PM, daniel wilms wrote:

> > test case works for me with both python versions > and both targets. So
> it is not an issue
>
> sorry for the spam and the confusion. not in both targets (just X86!!) but
> in both SDKs (Fremantle and Diablo).


Works now, but I had to edit again '/etc/resolv.conf' inside SB, copying the
file as described by Anderson didn't worked.

Thanks for the help.

P.S -> when will get python2.5 as default in the SB ? :)

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Re: Re: strange urllib2 error , Is this a bug ? if so any way to resolve it

[Valerio Valerio]

Hello

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Amit Sethi wrote:

> I do not think this problem is a straight forward resolv.conf problem
> . In that scenario I should be getting the error in all services . I
> have checked other services like wget . It even works in case of
> python2.3... and thats what makes it so wierd 


I've the same problem with python2.5 in scratchbox (diablo and fremantle),
however it works in the device, so this may be some strange scratchbox issue
:( .

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Re: Maemo SDK 5 Beta 2 is out

[Valerio Valerio]

Hello,

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Andrea Grandi  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> it looks like Maemo SDK 5 beta 2 is out.
> You can upgrade from beta 1 with the following commands:
>
> apt-get update
> fakeroot apt-get dist-upgrade


Quoting the official installation instructions: "Unfortunately, a smooth
upgrade using 'apt-get dist-upgrade' from beta SDK release is not possible.
Nevertheless, if one wants to try an upgrade, here are the steps to follow
on both the targets:"

So, in order to avoid surprises please follow the official installation
instructions[1].


[1] -
http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_beta_2_sdk_installation/#upgradebeta

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> for each target you have (i386 and ARM).
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Re: FYI : ConnMan deconstructed : http://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/2009/06/25/networkmanager-and-connman/

[Valerio Valerio]

HI,

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 11:00 AM, David Greaves  wrote:

> I thought this would be of interest to the list.
>
> Also some good comments here:  http://lwn.net/Articles/338715/


well, I don't like very much the NIH syndrome, but this time I've to agree
with the decision of writing everything from scratch. NM is a huge pill of
'mixed-code' with a lot of dependences on the UI, it works fairly well in my
gnome desktop right now, but the KDE/mobile users usually have a lot of
problem with NM.
To be fair, the network manager app that gave me the best user experience in
a linux box so far, was the proprietary app in your tablets (insert your
rants here :P).

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Maemo Summit 2009: Call for Content Now Open!

[Valerio Valerio]

(cross-posting intentional.)

Hello,

the Maemo Summit 2009 call for content is now open, if you think you have a
cool presentation to give in Amsterdam, please go ahead and send it to us.

More info here:
http://tinyurl.com/mvbcdyand
here:
http://tinyurl.com/lryddf.

P.s. LinkedIn users, please help spread the event:
http://events.linkedin.com/Maemo-Summit-2009/pub/86202 .

P.s.2 Planet and Tmo readers, sorry for the spam :( .

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Re: Incantation to change Development Status on a project

[Valerio Valerio]

On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Kenneth Loafman  wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I've been searching all over the site and just cannot figure out how to
> change the Development Status from Pre-Alpha to Beta on the Summary page
> of my project.  The Admin page does not do it, the Summary page has no
> update link, so it must be hidden very well.


In your project page go to: Admin and then select the edit button in front
of the string "Trove Categorization" (first block in the left side).

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Re: [GSoc 09] Barcode Scanner and shopping Assistant - report 1

[Valerio Valerio]

Hello,

On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Amit Sethi wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>
> For this I think we should do a full text search(perhaps using pyLucene) on
> the databases/feeds we recieve but again question is can we optimize this
> kind of search to the level that we can get price info and reviews etc
>
>
pyLucene[1] depends on Java, we don't have a good Java support in maemo atm,
so is better search for other alternatives for this job.

[1] - http://lucene.apache.org/pylucene/

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> Thanks
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 12:31 AM, Amit Sethi wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all ,
>>
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Re: [canola-devel] [GSoC 09] IM Client for Canola - report 1

[Valerio Valerio]

Hello,


On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:16 AM, Thiago Bolaum  wrote:

>
> Telepathy:
>   . Built to be a generic communications framework using D-Bus.
>   . Has Python bindings to facilitate the use of D-Bus, using conection
> managers.
>   . Can be used with EFL D-Bus MainLoop (used inside Canola).
>   . Has a connection manager called telepathy-haze that exposes libpurple's
> protocols to Telepathy framework.
>   . A bit more burocratic access than python-purple, since it isn't a
> direct binding.
>   . These connection managers (gabble (jabber), butterfly (MSN), haze
> (libpurple), salut (Bonjour)) seem pretty stable.
>
> python-purple:
>   . Easy to use and less burocratic, since it is a direct binding (written
> in cython) to libpurple.
>   . Already implements all basic signals, enough to develop the IM plugin,
> or at least a version with basic functionalities.
>   . Active and accessible developers, to help improving the lib.
>   . Needs testing and some bugs correction (I was able to fix an annoying
> one, concerning the necessity of LD_PRELOADing libpurple).
>   . Using this would lead to a more stable and usable version of
> python-purple, but less time would be spent developing the plugin itself.
>
> As said before, I think that both could handle the job, having their own
> pros and cons. So we wanted some feedback from you guys, which do you think
> is better and why. After that, I'll talk to antognolli and we will have a
> final decision on which we'll work with.


I'm not a expert in this area, but by your assumptions seems to me that
telepathy offer a better future for your project, and also will allow you to
extend and add more feature in the application. Probably python-purple will
be easier to use, but the telepathy features should reward your effort.
And also notice that telepathy is under active development and have a large
community that will help you for sure.

Thanks for listening and accept the community comments :).

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Re: Fremantle OpenGL wrapper?

[Valerio Valerio]

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Qole  wrote:

>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Simon Pickering  > wrote:
>
>>
>> > Am Mittwoch 03 Juni 2009 schrieb Qole:
>> >
>> >> I really want the next Maemo device to succeed, and one of the first
>> things
>> >> the gadget blogs and technophiles will want to see is the games. This
>> means
>> >
>> > Playing games? What input method do you expect to use?
>> >
>> > Till
>>
>> Bluetooth games controller/kb! :)
>
>
>
> I was thinking the keyboard, but the accelerometer could be used, too...
>

As a example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=260Kpiqv9_U  (playing Duke
Nukem 3d with accelerometers)

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Re: sdk installation trouble

[Valerio Valerio]

Hello,

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Frank Banul  wrote:
> I did try that but will do so again.

The error is not related to the issue that I assumed, sorry :(. I
don't read correctly your output :)

This should be related to the bug that Andre point in the previous
mail, the strange thing is that scratchbox assume that you have debian
devkit installed: 'scratchbox-devkit-debian is already the newest
version'. So should be a different bug/problem, can you check what is
inside '/scratchbox/devkits/' ?
You had a previous scratchbox installation in your system ?


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> thanks,
> Frank
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Valerio Valerio  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Frank Banul  wrote:
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > I'm trying to install the Maemo 5 SDK. Any ideas on the following error?
>> > The
>> > googling I did led to a maemo.org bug marked WORKSFORME. :(
>> >
>>
>> Try to execute: $ /scratchbox/login
>> Log out scratchbox (ctrl+d or type 'exit') and execute again:  $sh
>> maemo-sdk-install_5.0beta.sh
>>
>> HTH.
>>
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>>
>> > thanks,
>> > Frank
>> >
>> > u...@ubuntu704desktop:~$ sudo
>> > /home/user/maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0beta.sh
>> > -u user
>> > sudo: unable to resolve host ubuntu704desktop
>> > This script will install Scratchbox 1.0.14 'apophis' release to your
>> > computer.
>> >
>> > Install options
>> > ---
>> >
>> > Install from packages=apt
>> > Scratchbox install path=/scratchbox
>> > Scratchbox group=sbox
>> > armel compiler=cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm
>> > i386 compiler=cs2007q3-glibc2.5-
>> > i386
>> > armel devkits=apt-https:perl:debian-etch:qemu:doctools:svn:git
>> > i386 devkits=apt-https:perl:debian-etch:doctools:svn:git
>> > armel CPU transparency=qemu-arm-sb
>> >
>> > Checking for prerequisites
>> > --
>> >
>> > Running as user root... yes
>> > Not running as user root inside fakeroot... yes
>> > Running outside of scratchbox... yes
>> > Running on Linux kernel... yes
>> > Running on i386 architecture... yes
>> > Host kernel binfmt_misc support... yes
>> > Host kernel VDSO support... yes
>> > No host kernel SELinux extensions... yes
>> > Host kernel local IPv4 port range... yes
>> > Scratchbox installation not existing... yes
>> > No conflicting binfmt_misc interpreter... yes
>> > Scratchbox user names... user yes
>> >
>> > Everything seems to be ok.
>> > Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy Release.gpg
>> > Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Translation-en_US
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> > Hit http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security/multiverse Sources
>> > Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/restricted Packages
>> > Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/main Sources
>> > Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/restricted Sources
>> > Ign http://scratchbox.org maemo5-sdk/main Packages
>> > Get:2 http://scratchbox.org maemo5-sdk/main Packages [1428B]
>> > Fetched 1653B in 1s (1271B/s)
>> > Reading package lists... Done
>> > Reading package lists... Done
>> > Building dependency tree
>> > Reading state information... Done
>> > scratchbox-devkit-debian is already the newest version.
>> > scratchbox-devkit-perl is already the newest version.
>> > Suggested packages:
>> >   nfs-server dialog
>> > The following NEW packages will be installed:
>> >   scratchbox-devkit-apt-https scratchbox-devkit-git
>> > scratchbox-devkit-qemu
>> >   scratchbox-devkit-svn scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7
>> >   scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486
>> > scratchbox-toolchain-host-gcc
>> > The following packages will be upgraded:
>> >   scratchbox-core scratchbox-devkit-doctools scratchbox-libs
>> > 3 upgraded, 7 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
>> > Need to get 425MB of archives.
>> > After this operation, 686MB of additional disk space will be used.
>> > WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
>> >   scratchbox-libs scratchbox-core scratchbox-de

Re: sdk installation trouble

[Valerio Valerio]

Hello,

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Frank Banul  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I'm trying to install the Maemo 5 SDK. Any ideas on the following error? The
> googling I did led to a maemo.org bug marked WORKSFORME. :(

Try to execute: $ /scratchbox/login
Log out scratchbox (ctrl+d or type 'exit') and execute again:  $sh
maemo-sdk-install_5.0beta.sh

HTH.

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> thanks,
> Frank
>
> u...@ubuntu704desktop:~$ sudo /home/user/maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0beta.sh
> -u user
> sudo: unable to resolve host ubuntu704desktop
> This script will install Scratchbox 1.0.14 'apophis' release to your
> computer.
>
> Install options
> ---
>
> Install from packages=apt
> Scratchbox install path=/scratchbox
> Scratchbox group=sbox
> armel compiler=cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm
> i386 compiler=cs2007q3-glibc2.5-
> i386
> armel devkits=apt-https:perl:debian-etch:qemu:doctools:svn:git
> i386 devkits=apt-https:perl:debian-etch:doctools:svn:git
> armel CPU transparency=qemu-arm-sb
>
> Checking for prerequisites
> --
>
> Running as user root... yes
> Not running as user root inside fakeroot... yes
> Running outside of scratchbox... yes
> Running on Linux kernel... yes
> Running on i386 architecture... yes
> Host kernel binfmt_misc support... yes
> Host kernel VDSO support... yes
> No host kernel SELinux extensions... yes
> Host kernel local IPv4 port range... yes
> Scratchbox installation not existing... yes
> No conflicting binfmt_misc interpreter... yes
> Scratchbox user names... user yes
>
> Everything seems to be ok.
> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy Release.gpg
> Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Translation-en_US
>
> 
>
> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com hardy-security/multiverse Sources
> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/restricted Packages
> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/main Sources
> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/restricted Sources
> Ign http://scratchbox.org maemo5-sdk/main Packages
> Get:2 http://scratchbox.org maemo5-sdk/main Packages [1428B]
> Fetched 1653B in 1s (1271B/s)
> Reading package lists... Done
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> scratchbox-devkit-debian is already the newest version.
> scratchbox-devkit-perl is already the newest version.
> Suggested packages:
>   nfs-server dialog
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>   scratchbox-devkit-apt-https scratchbox-devkit-git scratchbox-devkit-qemu
>   scratchbox-devkit-svn scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7
>   scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486 scratchbox-toolchain-host-gcc
> The following packages will be upgraded:
>   scratchbox-core scratchbox-devkit-doctools scratchbox-libs
> 3 upgraded, 7 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
> Need to get 425MB of archives.
> After this operation, 686MB of additional disk space will be used.
> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
>   scratchbox-libs scratchbox-core scratchbox-devkit-qemu
>   scratchbox-devkit-apt-https scratchbox-devkit-doctools
> scratchbox-devkit-git
>   scratchbox-devkit-svn scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7
>   scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486 scratchbox-toolchain-host-gcc
> Get:1 http://scratchbox.org maemo5-sdk/main scratchbox-libs 1.0.14 [14.3MB]
> Get:2 http://scratchbox.org maemo5-sdk/main scratchbox-core 1.0.14
> [48.1MB]
> Get:3 http://scratchbox.org maemo5-sdk/main scratchbox-devkit-qemu
> 0.10.0-0sb5 [3296kB]
> Get:4 http://scratchbox.org maemo5-sdk/main scratchbox-devkit-apt-https
> 1.0.7 [2982kB]
> Get:5 http://scratchbox.org maemo5-sdk/main scratchbox-devkit-doctools
> 1.0.11 [136MB]
> Get:6 http://scratchbox.org maemo5-sdk/main scratchbox-devkit-git 1.0.1
> [5596kB]
> Get:7 http://scratchbox.org maemo5-sdk/main scratchbox-devkit-svn 1.0
> [15.3MB]
> Get:8 http://scratchbox.org maemo5-sdk/main
> scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 1.0.11-8 [101MB]
> Get:9 http://scratchbox.org maemo5-sdk/main
> scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486 1.0.11-6 [93.7MB]
> Get:10 http://scratchbox.org maemo5-sdk/main scratchbox-toolchain-host-gcc
> 1.0.14 [4356kB]
> Fetched 425MB in 20min33s
> (345kB/s)
> Preconfiguring packages ...
> (Reading database ... 217480 files and directories currently installed.)
> Preparing to replace scratchbox-libs 1.0.10 (using
> .../scratchbox-libs_1.0.14_i386.deb) ...
> Unpacking replacement scratchbox-libs ...
> Preparing to replace scratchbox-core 1.0.10 (using
> .../scratchbox-core_1.0.14_i386.deb) ...
> Unpacking replacement scratchbox-core ...
> Selecting previously deselected package scratchbox-devkit-qemu.
> Unpacking scratchbox-devkit-qemu (from
> .../scratchbox-devkit-qemu_0.10.0-0sb5_i386.deb) ...
> Selecting previously deselected package scratchbox-devkit-apt-https.
> Unpacking scratchbox-devkit-apt-https (from
> .../scratchbox-devkit-apt-https_1.0.7_i386.deb) ...

Re: GSoC Box.net client

[Valerio Valerio]

Hello,
Hello,

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Juhana Jauhiainen
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> browsing trough the GSoC ideas list the idea for DropBox/Box.net client
> cought my eye. Since Box.net supports WebDav and
> cadaver(http://www.webdav.org/cadaver/) can be used in maemo I was wondering
> if building an GUI for cadaver could be an acceptable GSoC project.
> Personally I think it's not enough for 3 months. :)

I have the same opinion, not enough work for a 3 months timeframe.
>
> This is not an application yet I'd just like to hear what you think of this.
> If you have any ideas about other ways to implement a Box.net client I'd
> love to hear about them.

Try to contact the mentor for this project, and come to the Maemo IRC
channel to discuss your idea also, but hurry up the deadline for GSoC
applications is around the corner.

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Re: Gsoc Idea Barcode Reader

[Valerio Valerio]

Hello,

2009/3/25 amit sethi :
> Hi , thanks for the comments received here . Based on that i have submitted
> a proposal . Please be kind and review and also please give suggestions as
> to how it can be improved . I would also like to know. What could be my next
> steps . And how I could start getting involved.

The proposal reviews will start in the next Friday/Saturday. In the
meantime you can learn more about Maemo, install the SDK[1] and read
some docs[2] available in our website.

[1] - http://maemo.org/development/sdks/
[2] - http://maemo.org/development/training/

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>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Simon Pickering 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Steffen,
>>
>> > some month ago i tried to port http://zebra.sourceforge.net/
>> > to the maemo platform.
>> > The Zebra Barcode Reader can decode barcodes from a live video stream
>> > (v4l) an static images (jpeg, bmp, etc.).
>>
>> Thanks for the pointer. For maemo-barcode we currently use the main
>> logic provided by the Batoo project
>> (http://people.inf.ethz.ch/adelmanr/batoo/), but it looks like zebra
>> decodes more types of 1D barcode so I'll have a look at it.
>>
>> > If im informed correctly, the n810's webcam has also a v4l interface
>> > that could be used for the barcode decoding.
>> > It should be quite easy to port it. Its coded in C and its sourcecode is
>> > available.
>>
>> I'll try to get it compiled in the week.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> Simon
>>
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Re: Gsoc Idea Barcode Reader

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

2009/3/22 amit sethi :
>
> I am a student interested in applying for gsoc 2009. And i am especially
> excited by the idea of working on maemo.
> There is an idea on http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009/Project_ideas of an
> application in which an image of barcode is going to be used to check the
> pricing and other information of a product .
> Now as far as i see this project has following major steps:
> Using an image library and doing edge detection to get the barcode.
> Read the barcode according to UPC standards.
> Using Amazon API for search.
> Develop GUI for the tool.
> Thus we require a module for image library, barcoding reading and GUI
> Image library -PIL can be ported to maemo 2.0 read-
> http://www.teemuharju.net/2006/08/10/python-imaging-library-for-maemo-20/
> I don't think python has a tool for reading barcode but their is information
> about the standards at http://www.barcodeisland.com/symbolgy.phtml
> and thus a reader can be developed.
> Amazon can be searched using
> pyamazon-http://www.josephson.org/projects/pyamazon/
> And GUI using pyGTK
> As far as I know all these tools either work on maemo or can be made to
> work.
> Is there anything else i should take a look at before writing my
> application. I would like to use python for developing this particular
> application.
> I would like to know from the mailing-list if this particular line of
> thought would accomplish this work.

In my opinion you covered the major development steps above, but for
the GSoC project, first I would like to see a  good barcode
recognition framework that can be used in maemo or in other linux
environments, that framework will be very handy for a lot of possible
applications. If some time remain, the student can also develop a
application GUI, as referred by you.

The work already done in the maemo-barcode[1] project can be useful here too.

[1] - https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-barcode/

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Re: Gsoc 2009: Barcode Scanner

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Simon Pickering
 wrote:
>
>> I am interested in working for maemo in this year's Gsoc. I am in
>> particular interested in the idea 'Barcode Scanner' listed on maemo's
>> idea page for  this year's Gsoc. I have quite a lot of experience in
>> Python and hope to use the same for the development purpose.
>
> Dunno about GSoC, but take a look here:
> https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/branches/simon_wip/maemo-barcode/?root=maemo-barcode
>
> In C though I'm afraid.
>
> hacky binary here: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/maemo-barcode/

The idea here, is use maemo-barcode as a base for a possible GSoC
project, as mentioned in the wiki page[1].
Thank Simon for sharing your thoughts and ideas with us.

[1] - http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009/Project_ideas

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>
>
> Simon
>
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Maemo @ GSoC - last call for mentors

[Valerio Valerio]

Hello,

the deadline for submit organization applications for Google Summer of
Code[1] is approaching, so is time to move on.
We already have a good number of possible mentors, but will be awesome
if a few more appear, it will increase the chances of the Maemo
community be chosen as a mentoring organization and also can increase
the number of projects assigned to the Maemo community. So if you like
Maemo and GSoC, go read the Maemo mentors page[2] and send some
feedback for us in the next couple of days.

We also want more possible project ideas[3], some criticism to the
current ideas[3] will be welcomed too :)

More information about ma...@gsoc can be found in the Maemo wiki[4].

[1] - http://code.google.com/soc/
[2] - http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009/Mentors
[3] - http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009/Project_ideas
[4] - http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009

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Re: Maemo on Google Summer of Code 09 - Help needed

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Dave Neary  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I just wanted to say that GSoC is a great opportunity for students to
> spend some quality time working on a project they like, and try out some
> funky ideas.
>
> For Maemo, we might not get accepted because of the corporate
> sponsorship of Nokia (this was something of an issue last year for
> Google),

Last year a lot of organizations with corporate sponsorship get
accepted (MySql, OpenMoko,Fedora... ), and also Maemo participated in
GSoC 2007 leaded by a Nokia employee (Quim Gil). This year we are
trying to bring the Maemo community to GSoC and not Nokia or their
interests (of course we accept help from Nokia :) )

I think this deserve a try at least :)

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Maemo on Google Summer of Code 09 - Help needed

[Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

as previously announced[1] the Maemo community is trying to join
GSoC[2] this year again, in order to make that participation
successful, we need some help.

First we need ideas/application improvements, the ideas doesn't need
to be a new application or a killer framework that a student can't
done in 3 month, but can be improvements in existent application or
small tasks that can be archived in 3 months.
So if you need help in your pet app, want some support in Maemo or
want some useful app ported to Maemo, don't hesitate and add your
ideas/features to the ideas list[3], you can also join us as
mentor[4].

I know that can be difficult to propose ideas right now in some
fields, because the release of Fremantle is approaching and some
features aren't discovered yet, but don't be afraid of that, just
propose the ideas :) .

I'm also seeking for someone that can help me organizing the Maemo
participation on GSoC, preferably someone who can also be Mentor.

There also a thread about this topic in ITT :
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26821


[1] - http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2009-February/003162.html
[2] - http://code.google.com/soc/
[3] - http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009/Project_ideas
[4] - http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2009/Mentors

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