Re: MD: Sony

2000-02-05 Thread Graham Baker


You are correct.
'Sony' do monitor this list but they will not post to it, at least not on
behalf of Sony...
Most corporations have a strict 'no comment' policy on lists  newsgroups.
The only active corp that I know of is Panasonic on DV-L and that is only
one person who actually participates - there are probably other Panasonic 
Sony employees who lurk

It's a pity that Sony don't have a contributor to MD-L (and other lists) if
only just to help with technical or sales queries - I think it would
benefit them enormously - they need to loose their arrogant corporate
image - IMHO, it really doesn't help them to be so unreachable and I know
for a fact that their arrogance has cost them sales.

If Sharp were really smart they would jump the gun on Sony and have an
official presence here first.

GB


 I would think that anyone working for Sony would have been expressly told
 not to speak on behalf of the company without it being an official press
 release, which is why I doubt anyone at Sony reading this will reply on
 behalf of Sony.

 Magic


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MD: How to tell Sony

2000-02-05 Thread Takeshi Sasaki


Jim Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I would tend to doubt that anyone at Sony bothers to look at this
 digest, else someone would've spoke up by now... we still do not know
 ,to this day, whether Sony knows how much most of us hate and despise
 End Search, and probably don't know or care that they really blew it
 when they didn't put a keyboard jack on their deck that copies CDs at 4X
 speed.  It would be so nice to be able to get a message to someone at
 Sony who knows and cares, but that's assuming such a person even exists.

The best way to tell Sony what you want is to write it on a "customer's
voise card".   A "customer's voise card" is enclosed in the box of Sony
products, at least in Japan.  There, you are asked several questions about
who you are, and what you like, or what magazines you subscribe etc. And
at the bottom you are asked how you like the unit.  I'm sure the data is
passed to some division and processed in order to improve products and
marketing. And it's far better way to let Sony know what you want than
just write here.

Things are very simple.  A company listen to their customers(who PAID
MONEY) better than other people (who might pay or who will never pay).
And they are afraid of loosing their customers.

So if you really want to have ES removed, write on the "customer's
voise card" how it trashed your recording and why you don't want
to buy any more Sony recorder.  If enough numbers of Sony recorder
owners write to Sony, they at least realize how people hate it.

Is the card enclosed in US or EU mdels ?
Even if not in US or EU models, those who buy/bought japanese 
domestic models should have a card.

Hope this helps to improve all MiniDisc products.

Regards.
Takeshi SASAKI


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MD: MP3's

2000-02-05 Thread Basil Fakhry


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world, and am really interested in gathering a big collection.I want =
to know if any of you are willing to sell their large mp3 collections to =
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soon...Basil
PS: I am talking in hundreds or even thousands of mp3s

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Re: MD: How to mark tracks when recording digitally from a soundcard?

2000-02-05 Thread Francisco Jose Montilla


On Sat, 5 Feb 2000, Eric Woudenberg wrote:

Hi,

 I have got a Aureal Vortex 2 SuperQuad Soundcard (with SPDIF output),
 and a Sony MZR50 Minidisc (with SPDIF input). There is no problem with
 the recording(from Computer to MD), but there will be only one track on
 the disc. If I make the recording with a CD deck, or MD deck (from CD/MD
 deck to MD) there will be so many tracks on the MD, how many there were
 on the source CD/MD. I mean there must be a signal, which "say: here is
 the end of this track". The Support of the Aureal an the Sony couldn't
 help me.(perhaps somebody can give me a programm, that support this
 function.)

 Right, S/PDIF carries track number information along with the digital
 audio. When an MD deck senses a change in track number, it marks a new
 track. I don't know of any way of making track marks when digitally
 recording from a PC, but I'm forwarding your note to the MD mailing
 list in the hope that someone there can help.

I use a similar setup, transferring digitally via S/PDIF from my
computer to the MD, and the simplest way of marking tracks is to insert a
couple of silence seconds between them. 

If you're transferring MP3, You can either use a 2 second silence mp3 file
(available on sites listed on the MP3 Handling section of minidisc.org) or
make your mp3 player to issue a 2 second pause between reproduction. If
you're recording different audio files, create a 2 second silence audio
file and play them between tracks, that's it.

Nevertheless, I'd check the MD manual first to see if the
auto-track-marking feature is enabled, and works via the S/PDIF input.
Mine is a MDS-JA20ES and works as expected, I guess this is pretty common 
to all MD's...

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Re: MD: How to mark tracks when recording digitally from a soundcard?

2000-02-05 Thread Edmund Wong


 Right, S/PDIF carries track number information along with the digital
 audio. When an MD deck senses a change in track number, it marks a new
 track. I don't know of any way of making track marks when digitally
 recording from a PC, but I'm forwarding your note to the MD mailing
 list in the hope that someone there can help.

Your best bet is to rely on the autotrackmark function of your deck. You do
not mention what you are recording. If you are playing MP3s, you can use
the Soritong MP3 player (http://www.sorinara.com/) or the Winamp pause
plugin (http://students.washington.edu/llin/toslink.html, scroll to the
bottom). A pause of 2-3 seconds will make most portable units start a new
track. Not sure about decks, though
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Re: MD: MP3's

2000-02-05 Thread J. Coon


Download Napster and you can get all you want free.

go to http://www.dogpile.com and enter napster in the dialog box and click on
fetch.  follow the links

Basil Fakhry wrote:

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 Hey...how is everybody? I have a little concernI am new to the MP3 =
 world, and am really interested in gathering a big collection.I want =
 to know if any of you are willing to sell their large mp3 collections to =
 me...on CDvia post, or dhl or somethingplease write back =
 soon...Basil
 PS: I am talking in hundreds or even thousands of mp3s

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Re: MD: MD2 products?

2000-02-05 Thread Rodney Peterson


Hitachi announced a DVD camcorder at CES. However, I wouldn't get my
hopes up. Consider: Hitachi, along with RCA and ProScan, market an $8000
16:9 61" HDTV which includes a built in HDTV tuner. However, it has NO
component inputs. Add to this, this HDTV was a year later getting to
market than first announced, and still they had not fixed the problem of
no component inputs. Forget about watching progressive scan DVD on this
HDTV, you can't even watch a normal DVD through component inputs.
Considering component inputs can be found on many TV's in the $700
range, this is inexcusable. Also, Hitachi and Toshiba were recently
found by a consumer electronics manufacturers marketing asscociation to
be selling HDTV's that weren't really HDTV's. The problem? On standard
4:3 sets, the 16:9 portion of the image only contains a large fraction
of the number of pixels needed to view true HDTV. The others are
included in the black bars above and below the image. A few 4:3 HDTV's,
such as the Sony XBR300 line, "collapse" all the pixels into the 16:9
image, leaving the black bars "dead" and the 16:9 image with enough
pixels to qualify as true HDTV. So Hitach's forthcoming DVD camcorder
should be met with much skepticism.

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Re: MD: Unlimited SCMS from SBLive!?

2000-02-05 Thread J. Coon


Martin Schiff wrote:

 Larry,

 I believe you are correct, because this problem just bit me in the butt. I
 made original recordings to MD with microphones, and when I try to transfer
 them to the computer using a Hoontech soundcard with Yamaha drivers (which
 implement SCMS) it will not copy.

If you made a recording to MD with microphones, it is an analog recording, and
it will allow a digital copy to be made from it.  However, if you make a digital
copy of the MD to another MD, the SCMS bits will be set to not allow another
digital copy to be made.



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Re: MD: Funny in-song searching on JE-510

2000-02-05 Thread J. Coon


My 510 did it too.

Miguel Gomez-Zapata wrote:

 Hi

 I had a 510 two years ago and i had the same problem... I think this is a
 problem only with the 510..



  From: J. C. R. Davis

  Is this something that just happens on the 510, or is
  it a Sony MD thing?


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MD: OT: Victor Bouch's autoresponder

2000-02-05 Thread Edmund Wong


Something tells me I don't want to get a prepackaged message every time I
send a message to the list, as I am undoubtedly going to after I send this
one. Victor Bouch apparantly went on a holiday and setup an autoresponder
to all incoming messages. Which means that anybody who posts to this list
will get one.

We can:
a) ignore them
b) deal with it ourselves
or c) temporarily remove him from the list until he gets back.

Suggestions?
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Re: MD: Unlimited SCMS from SBLive!?

2000-02-05 Thread LAS


"J. Coon" wrote:



 If you made a recording to MD with microphones, it is an analog recording, and
 it will allow a digital copy to be made from it.  However, if you make a digital
 copy of the MD to another MD, the SCMS bits will be set to not allow another
 digital copy to be made.


That's absolutely correct, Jim.  And it is wrong that you should not be able to make
a digital copy of a copy of your own music.  Suppose you decided to record some
sessions that you band made.  You should not be limited by SCMS.


But the question that I have is this.  Since ATRAC is a lossy technique, would you
start to notice the degradation in sound quality on the first copy (second
generation) MD?  Or would it go undetected to the human ear for several copies of
copies??

Because I do not have an MD recorder that is capable of defeating SCMS there is no
way that I can test this theory myself.

Has anyone ever experimented with this??  I know that Eric W. has a recorder that
can bypass SCMS.

Regards,
Larry

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Re: MD: SLINK cool application (Semi-OT)

2000-02-05 Thread Richard Malcolm-Smith


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 With all the talk of cool applications for SLink, this came to mind. I have
 a huge database of CDs in CATraxx(awesome CD collection DB) and it would be
 really cool if I could control a few 300 disc changers from inside CATraxx.

If you can put up with an access database then have a look at
http://www.nirvis.com/ - the slink-e and CDJ will do what you want

 Even cooler is if CompilationMaker could control the changers and a MD
 deck! 

Someone has writen a program (Minidisc Manager) that does just that.

 I'm thinking that it would be a much better product then the Escient
 boxes(basically a computer with a S-Link port and a modem, that calls up a
 server and downloads CDDB info about your CDs, designed for custom home
 installs) and way more flexible!
 
 As far as interfacing with S-Link, I'm willing to bet that the serial port
 converter box behaves identically to the S-Link port on the back of my Sony
 Digital Studio PC, and is totally passive. A while ago I found a program
 that controlled a CD changer using S-Link that just talked S-Link out the
 serial port, and it was able to control my changer.

There is a program that talks slink out the printer port, but its too
timing critical to trust to windows.
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Re: MD: Mono Pre-recorded MDs?

2000-02-05 Thread David W. Tamkin


Graham Baker wrote,

| I don't think you will find any pre-recorded md's like this - the md market
| is aimed at youth and the market would be way too small to cater to
| 'oldies'.

That isn't necessarily so.  I've seen recordings from the 1960s on
premastered MD, back to a time when mono was not yet deprecated, carrying
music that few of today's young care for.  I've also seen a lot of classical
music on MD, and while it likely is recent performances recorded in stereo,
classical music is far from youth-oriented.  Likewise, I've seen quite a bit
of easy-listening on premastered MD.

The one problem is that usually they are MD editions of issues also out on
CD, so they contain no more music than the CD does, and extra space is not
needed.  Could two mono CDs be put onto one premastered MD?  Yes, but is
anyone doing it?  I would expect not.


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Re: MD: OT: Victor Bouch's autoresponder

2000-02-05 Thread Francisco Jose Montilla


On Sat, 5 Feb 2000, Edmund Wong wrote:

Hi,

 Something tells me I don't want to get a prepackaged message every time I
 send a message to the list, as I am undoubtedly going to after I send this
 one. Victor Bouch apparantly went on a holiday and setup an autoresponder
 to all incoming messages. Which means that anybody who posts to this list
 will get one.

I noticed this yesterday, and have emailed a couple hours ago the
alternative contact that the email mentions, telling him politely to try
to fix it. Let see what happens...

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MD: timer lever on Sony decks (was and another thing_

2000-02-05 Thread David W. Tamkin


Jim Gray wrote,

| I guess I'm gonna have to try that timer thing, so can we assume that
| when you press "timer' on your Sony deck, it puts into an Eprom (or
| whatever) a command to start recording when power comes back on?

You don't press it; you leave a switch lever at that setting.  When the power
comes back on, the boot-up routines in ROM check the position of that lever:
record, off, or play.

| Why couldn't they just explain this in the manual?

Because they can't write manuals to save their lives.  The timer functions
are described HORRIBLY.  When I got my first deck with the facility I could
not make any sense out of the instructions on how to use it; I figured it out
by guesswork.

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RE: MD: How to mark tracks when recording digitally from a soundcard?

2000-02-05 Thread Martin Schiff


A two second pause (I use the Unreal player which inserts it automatically)
works fine with my Sharp MD-R2 deck and a digital connection.

-- Martin

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Subject: Re: MD: How to mark tracks when recording digitally from a
soundcard?



 Right, S/PDIF carries track number information along with the digital
 audio. When an MD deck senses a change in track number, it marks a new
 track. I don't know of any way of making track marks when digitally
 recording from a PC, but I'm forwarding your note to the MD mailing
 list in the hope that someone there can help.

Your best bet is to rely on the autotrackmark function of your deck. You do
not mention what you are recording. If you are playing MP3s, you can use
the Soritong MP3 player (http://www.sorinara.com/) or the Winamp pause
plugin (http://students.washington.edu/llin/toslink.html, scroll to the
bottom). A pause of 2-3 seconds will make most portable units start a new
track. Not sure about decks, though
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RE: MD: Unlimited SCMS from SBLive!?

2000-02-05 Thread Martin Schiff


Then the only thing I can figure is that Yamaha has implemented SCMS
backwards. I was able to copy a pre-recorded MD with no problem, but not my
original material.

-- Martin

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Subject: Re: MD: Unlimited SCMS from SBLive!?



Martin Schiff wrote:

 Larry,

 I believe you are correct, because this problem just bit me in the butt. I
 made original recordings to MD with microphones, and when I try to
transfer
 them to the computer using a Hoontech soundcard with Yamaha drivers (which
 implement SCMS) it will not copy.

If you made a recording to MD with microphones, it is an analog recording,
and
it will allow a digital copy to be made from it.  However, if you make a
digital
copy of the MD to another MD, the SCMS bits will be set to not allow another
digital copy to be made.



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Re: MD: How to mark tracks when recording digitally from a soundcard?

2000-02-05 Thread DJ_HOPE ON DOPE


NO NO NO NO NO NO, I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS CRAP, SORRY ABOUT MY LITTLE
RANT BUT EVERYONE SEEMS TO SAY WELL USING A 2SECOND MARKER WORKS, BUT THIS
IS ONLY A HALF-BAKED SOLUTION. BEING A DJ I KNOW HOW FRUSTRATING THIS CAN
BE, HAS ANYONE EVER HEARD OF MIXED CDS! NO 2 SECOND MARKER IS GOING TO
WORK FOR THAT BECAUSE DAH IT SPLITS THE MUSIC UP WHICH ON A MIXED CD
(I.E. NO GAPS BETWEEN TRACKS ONLY MARKERS) THIS WILL NOT WORK, AND IF YOU
PUT IN 2 SECOND GAPS IT RUINS THE MUSIC. HOW CAN I TRANSFER DIGITALLY
WITHOUT RUINING THE MIXED MUSIC(NO 2 SECOND GAPS), AND INSERTING TRACK
MARKERS?

I have got a Aureal Vortex 2 SuperQuad Soundcard (with SPDIF output),
and a Sony MZR50 Minidisc (with SPDIF input). There is no problem with
the recording(from Computer to MD), but there will be only one track on
the disc. If I make the recording with a CD deck, or MD deck (from CD/MD
deck to MD) there will be so many tracks on the MD, how many there were
on the source CD/MD. I mean there must be a signal, which "say: here is
the end of this track". The Support of the Aureal an the Sony couldn't
help me.(perhaps somebody can give me a programm, that support this
function.)

Right, S/PDIF carries track number information along with the digital
audio. When an MD deck senses a change in track number, it marks a new
track. I don't know of any way of making track marks when digitally
recording from a PC, but I'm forwarding your note to the MD mailing
list in the hope that someone there can help.

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Re: MD: How to mark tracks when recording digitally from a soundcard?

2000-02-05 Thread Edmund Wong


 IS ONLY A HALF-BAKED SOLUTION. BEING A DJ I KNOW HOW FRUSTRATING THIS CAN
 BE, HAS ANYONE EVER HEARD OF MIXED CDS! NO 2 SECOND MARKER IS GOING TO
 WORK FOR THAT BECAUSE DAH IT SPLITS THE MUSIC UP WHICH ON A MIXED CD
 (I.E. NO GAPS BETWEEN TRACKS ONLY MARKERS) THIS WILL NOT WORK, AND IF YOU
 PUT IN 2 SECOND GAPS IT RUINS THE MUSIC. HOW CAN I TRANSFER DIGITALLY
 WITHOUT RUINING THE MIXED MUSIC(NO 2 SECOND GAPS), AND INSERTING TRACK
 MARKERS?

We don't care if you rant, but if you do rant, don't shout. Please.

That aside, you have to appreciate the technical side of this. Current
consumer sound cards will not send track marks because a sound card is only
designed to take the input from the application and pump it out to a format
other equipment will understand. No sound card will know the difference
between a music track to the sound of rockets whooshing past you in Quake.
That's not the job of the sound card.

Most current drivers are designed to pump out only the "essential" bits to
an S/PDIF stream - the sound data. A notable exception is the newer Yamaha
YMF744 drivers, which will also transmit SCMS. Of course, if a sound card
is able to transmit SCMS bits it will probably be able to transmit track
marks. However, this will probably involve writing directly to the sound
chipset (writing track marks to the sound device will probably NOT work) -
which is not a good thing to do unless if you're a driver. So this will
probably mean modification of the drivers.

Yamaha, Aureal, and Creative will probably not give up the specs to their
flagship chipsets without a fight - or at least a messy NDA (which usually
involves ). The most likely candidate for this kind of development
would be the Trident 4DWave chipsets, as they ARE willing to give away the
specs without any messy legal stuff. However, you either need a) driver
source or b) to rewrite the drivers.

Interestingly, the easiest way you would do any of this would be to
implement it under Linux. Aureal and Creative have open source Linux
drivers (although they have no specs and Aureal uses a weird abstraction
layer), and Trident 4Dwave drivers exist for the ALSA project. Potentially
you can create a device under /dev/snd in ALSA which, when written to, will
create track marks?

(This is conceptual stuff, guys. Don't flame me.)

Barring that, the best you can do is to look at the track times on the
playlist and fastforward in pause mode (relatively quick) to that point and
mark a track. Sorry.

That or you can beg
{Aureal|Creative|Yamaha|Xitel|Trident|Guillemot|TurtleBeach|Videologic|Hoontech|insert_sound_chipset_or_card_manufacturer_or_reseller,_vendor_,or_supplier_name_here}
for drivers that insert trackmarks.

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Re: MD: Unlimited SCMS from SBLive!?

2000-02-05 Thread David W. Tamkin


Larry Sherry wrote,

S If I remember correctly it is the MD recorder that adds the SCMS.

No.  An S/PDIF signal has SCMS bits in it.  Whatever generates the signal
generates those bits.  The recorder decides what to do about them.

John Graham wrote,

G OK, I think I understand better now. 

G If I make an analogue recording to my hard disk it has no SCMS bits set,
G or is classed as 'unlimited digital copy'.

Er, no.  Depending on your ripping software, usually it will be stored,
regardless of whether the connection from your MD player to your hard disk
was analog or digital, in some format that has no SCMS information at all,
like .wav or .mp3.  If later your soundcard generates S/PDIF output from it
to record to CDR or MD, the soundcard will have to think of some way to set
the SCMS bits in the outgoing S/PDIF stream.

G If I make the same analogue recording to my MD the SCMS bit is set to
G 'digital copy once'.

Yes.  An analog signal converted by the MD recorder's own ADC will be
recorded as SCMS-penultimate.

G What surprised me was that the 'unlimited digital copy' from was
G preserved when subsequently copying between MDs.

That's why we call it that.  If it weren't preserved, it wouldn't be
unlimited.

G Why shouldn't someone be allowed to make multiple digital copies of their
G own analogue sourced material? 

Unfortunately, the machinery has no way to tell who holds the copyright on
the material.  Analog input can also be used for other people's works.

G What's missing of course is a genuine MD to MD copy, faster than realtime
G with track and/or disk name data sent.

There are units that do that.

Back to Larry:

S Yes it is true that the computer does not set SCMS.

Correct.  The soundcard does when it generates an S/PDIF signal to send to
the MD or CDR recorder.

S But I'm still pretty sure that it is the recorder and not the source that
S encodes the signal.

No, the soundcard does, or if you're going straight between two audio units
without using a computer, the source unit does.  If it doesn't encode a
signal, then what the heck is passing between the two units?

S So in the case of a CD writer, there will be no problem with SCMS.

Yes, there will, if the signal's SCMS bits are set to `final' and the CD
writer complies with SCMS.

S But the consumer MD recorders are all designed to add SCMS.

Consumer MD recorders are designed to comply with SCMS.  The only time they
"add" it is when the internal ADC receives analog input and converts it to
digital for recording on the MD; it lays it down as SCMS-penultimate data.

S Think about it.

I did.  You did too, but you went about it inside out.

S If the source encoded the SCMS, you would not be able to make a digital
S copy in the first place.  But you can make one original. 

Sorry, Larry, but you're wrong there too.  The source does encode SCMS bits,
but it sets them to allow one generation of digital recording.

S That's because the SCMS is added as the first MD is being "burned".

No, it's because the recorder sees incoming SCMS bits that are set to penul-
timate, so it lays down an SCMS-final track.  When that track is played, it
generates an SCMS-final digital signal, which consumer-grade recorders will
not copy.

If the recorder did it all, and the information were not there in the signal,
how could the recorder tell when the signal was coming from a premastered MD,
or an MD track recorded from an analog signal, and know to lay down an
SCMS-final recording, or when the signal was coming from an MD track recorded
from a digital source and know not to copy?  How could it know when to mark
the copy for unlimited recopying, if the information is not already there in
the source?

S But the question that I have is this.  Since ATRAC is a lossy technique,
S would you start to notice the degradation in sound quality on the first
S copy (second generation) MD?  Or would it go undetected to the human ear
S for several copies of copies??

If you re-ATRAC an already ATRACked recording, most of what is lost in the
second compression is what was extrapolated during the decompression, so 
successive ATRACkings have even less effect than the first.

S Has anyone ever experimented with this??  I know that Eric W. has a
S recorder that can bypass SCMS.

I once took some SCMS-unlimited material and copied it by digital transfer
out to the thirteenth generation.  I could not tell the difference between
the thirteenth and the first.  Some people have said that it takes twenty
generations before a difference is apparent.

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MD: defeating scms possible on some machines was Unlimited SCMS from SBLive!?

2000-02-05 Thread Brent Harding


What is it about what I hear on the minidiscorg site about scms that makes
this certain kind of resister put into the remote input that some how pops
up a menu that lets you shut off scms? Why did the companies make this
feature built-in, just for this purpose, or does the resister specifically
have something to do with it that the companies never knew.

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Re: MD: How to mark tracks when recording digitally from a soundcard?

2000-02-05 Thread Francisco Jose Montilla


On Sat, 5 Feb 2000, Jeremy A. Rosengren wrote:

Hi,

 Certainly, ranting about it in such a manner will not cause the answer to
 suddenly appear, as if the list community was holding back information.

certainly...

  NO NO NO NO NO NO, I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS CRAP, SORRY ABOUT MY LITTLE
  RANT BUT EVERYONE SEEMS TO SAY WELL USING A 2SECOND MARKER WORKS, BUT THIS
  IS ONLY A HALF-BAKED SOLUTION. BEING A DJ I KNOW HOW FRUSTRATING THIS CAN
  BE, HAS ANYONE EVER HEARD OF MIXED CDS! NO 2 SECOND MARKER IS GOING TO
  WORK FOR THAT BECAUSE DAH IT SPLITS THE MUSIC UP WHICH ON A MIXED CD
  (I.E. NO GAPS BETWEEN TRACKS ONLY MARKERS) THIS WILL NOT WORK, AND IF YOU
  PUT IN 2 SECOND GAPS IT RUINS THE MUSIC. HOW CAN I TRANSFER DIGITALLY
  WITHOUT RUINING THE MIXED MUSIC(NO 2 SECOND GAPS), AND INSERTING TRACK
  MARKERS?

first of all, please don't write all in caps, this gives us the
feeling as if you were shouting. 

As pointed on a recent post, no soundcard is going to send track
marks for you. Maybe the easiest solution for this, if as mine, your MD
can put gaps between music by pressing record while recording, will be
building or buying a IR device (dirty cheap), teaching it what the record
IR code is, and run a program that sends a record command while recording
to insert gaps properly. You can even use it to tittle tracks...

If anybody knows how to programa Winamp plugin, such kind of
little program will be very surely very useful...

You have several pointers for this on the minidisc page.

greets and relax,

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MD: digital output,sorry about my rant! READ

2000-02-05 Thread DJ_HOPE ON DOPE


Hi lads,
Right sorry about my little rant but, i already have a hifi with
a digital output on it(buring cd-rs although a great idea it makes it
expensive, and cd-rws not many suport these), and if i could find out more
about how the Drivers-soundcard-digitaloutput work then i could hack a
solution but as yet their dosnt seem to be enough infomation about it. The
other thing that baffles me is that when i use my hifis cd player it
transfers the track markers etc but not if i do it via Digital output on
CD-RW-soundcard-digital optical out, surely that must be easy todo if my
hifi can do it, maybe ill now go and have a rant at creative. the other
option is to create something which goes like this, Software plugin for
winamp which sends record funtion(record is what splits the tracks up for me
on my sharp minidisc) via USB port to my minidisk using the remote plugin
that way i wont have to sit there for ages pressing record (the plugin could
do it for me). I already sit their for hours fast forwarding though the
tracks to split em up!!! thanxs for the sugestions ne how,,,

Cheers,

DJ_Hope


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MD: how to mark tracks ...

2000-02-05 Thread David W. Tamkin


Ah, the age-old question.  It comes up all the time.

It appears from the existence of the problem and from other things I have
tried in the past that there is no such thing as "sending a track mark."
There appears to be no code in S/PDIF that says, "new track NOW!"

Track mark positions are inferred, as Rick said, from such things as changes
in the track number bits, or the SCMS status, or the sampling rate, or per-
haps the source medium ID, or by transitions from out-of-track to in-track.

If software to generate S/PDIF from computer audio files would deal with
those indicators, it could be done.  For example, if you set it to play
fifteen .wav files at once, and it sent 1 as the track number during the
first one, 2 during the second, and so forth, then there would always be a
change of source track number for each change of source file, and the
recorder would be able to mark tracks.  Or if the software sensed the
proximity of the end of the file and set the in-track bit to out-of-track
for the last several seconds, that should do it as well.

If any of those methods could be tried and shown to work, then there wouldn't
be any need for interspersing silence, which, as our loud DJ friend said,
would ruin recordings of mixes.  (You could always delete the silences later,
but that's a royal pain to get exactly right.)

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MD: cheap MD carrying case

2000-02-05 Thread Francisco Jose Montilla


Hi,

I found some days ago on a 724 kind of store a dirty cheap, and
cool (translucid colors), pen intended carrying case that happens to fit
exactly 8 MDs, with jacket. Take a look at
http://www.foldermate.com/pop12.html, I spent on it the tremendous amount
of 295 pesetas (about $1.5). :)

Take a look at http://www.foldermate.com/pop12.html, model 849.

greets,

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MD: MZ-R55 to KEYBOARD???

2000-02-05 Thread MoparGT1


Is there any way to hook up my sony Mz-R55 to my keyborad to name the songs???
Thanks,
Frank
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RE: MD: defeating scms possible on some machines was Unlimited SCMS from SBLive!?

2000-02-05 Thread Simon Gardner


   What is it about what I hear on the minidiscorg site about
 scms that makes
 this certain kind of resister put into the remote input that
 some how pops
 up a menu that lets you shut off scms? Why did the companies make this
 feature built-in, just for this purpose, or does the resister
 specifically
 have something to do with it that the companies never knew.

This worked on early revisions of the Sony MZ-R50. As far as I know, it was
part of the test proceedures for them - it involved using a tool that
slotted in the remote slot.

I'm pretty sure Sony knew about it - although once the end users found out
about it, they removed it to avoid any legal complications.

--
Simon

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RE: MD: defeating scms possible on some machines was Unlimited SCMS from SBLive!?

2000-02-05 Thread Brent Harding



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Are there still md recorders that do stuff like that?
What purpose was it that sony wanted this in, but found out they should
remove it? Isn't scms stuff usually found in test mode somewhere? 
At 10:41 PM 2/5/00 -, you wrote:

  What is it about what I hear on the minidiscorg site about
 scms that makes
 this certain kind of resister put into the remote input that
 some how pops
 up a menu that lets you shut off scms? Why did the companies make this
 feature built-in, just for this purpose, or does the resister
 specifically
 have something to do with it that the companies never knew.

This worked on early revisions of the Sony MZ-R50. As far as I know, it was
part of the test proceedures for them - it involved using a tool that
slotted in the remote slot.

I'm pretty sure Sony knew about it - although once the end users found out
about it, they removed it to avoid any legal complications.

--
Simon

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Re: MD: digital output,sorry about my rant! READ

2000-02-05 Thread Magic


IF you can find a way to control the signalling to your MD I could assist on
the WinAmp plug-in side as I am currently working on a titler for my R55
which uses WinAmp.

Side note : If anyone knows how to send messages between applications in C++
could they please tell me how as I need to send a message to my VB titling
program from WinAmp. :o)

Magic
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 9:28 PM
Subject: MD: digital output,sorry about my rant! READ



 Hi lads,
 Right sorry about my little rant but, i already have a hifi
with
 a digital output on it(buring cd-rs although a great idea it makes it
 expensive, and cd-rws not many suport these), and if i could find out more
 about how the Drivers-soundcard-digitaloutput work then i could hack a
 solution but as yet their dosnt seem to be enough infomation about it. The
 other thing that baffles me is that when i use my hifis cd player it
 transfers the track markers etc but not if i do it via Digital output on
 CD-RW-soundcard-digital optical out, surely that must be easy todo if my
 hifi can do it, maybe ill now go and have a rant at creative. the other
 option is to create something which goes like this, Software plugin for
 winamp which sends record funtion(record is what splits the tracks up for
me
 on my sharp minidisc) via USB port to my minidisk using the remote plugin
 that way i wont have to sit there for ages pressing record (the plugin
could
 do it for me). I already sit their for hours fast forwarding though the
 tracks to split em up!!! thanxs for the sugestions ne how,,,

 Cheers,

 DJ_Hope


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MD: SBlive with Hoontech DB III on Win 2000

2000-02-05 Thread Magic


Hi,

Sorry if this mail is irrelevant but I am in great need... I have a Sound
Blaster Live! with a Hoontech SB DB III. On Windows 98 the optical out was
working perfectly. When I installed Windows 2000 it stopped working. Of
course in Windows 2000 i haven't installed the LiveWare software but the
card seems to be working fine in anything else. Does anybody know what do i
have to do to be able to use my optical out in Windows 2000 ?

Thanx in advance,

Magic
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Re: MD: How to tell Sony

2000-02-05 Thread J. Coon



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I think I sent the card in before I realized the trouble with End Search.  I
wonder if they have an eamil address?

Takeshi Sasaki wrote:

 Jim Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  I would tend to doubt that anyone at Sony bothers to look at this
  digest, else someone would've spoke up by now... we still do not know
  ,to this day, whether Sony knows how much most of us hate and despise
  End Search, and probably don't know or care that they really blew it
  when they didn't put a keyboard jack on their deck that copies CDs at 4X
  speed.  It would be so nice to be able to get a message to someone at
  Sony who knows and cares, but that's assuming such a person even exists.

 The best way to tell Sony what you want is to write it on a "customer's
 voise card".   A "customer's voise card" is enclosed in the box of Sony
 products, at least in Japan.  There, you are asked several questions about
 who you are, and what you like, or what magazines you subscribe etc. And
 at the bottom you are asked how you like the unit.  I'm sure the data is
 passed to some division and processed in order to improve products and
 marketing. And it's far better way to let Sony know what you want than
 just write here.

 Things are very simple.  A company listen to their customers(who PAID
 MONEY) better than other people (who might pay or who will never pay).
 And they are afraid of loosing their customers.

 So if you really want to have ES removed, write on the "customer's
 voise card" how it trashed your recording and why you don't want
 to buy any more Sony recorder.  If enough numbers of Sony recorder
 owners write to Sony, they at least realize how people hate it.

 Is the card enclosed in US or EU mdels ?
 Even if not in US or EU models, those who buy/bought japanese
 domestic models should have a card.

 Hope this helps to improve all MiniDisc products.

 Regards.
 Takeshi SASAKI

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