Re: [MBZ] Transmission Fluid

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

the only thing I would change is after you put in the first 4 quarts 
with engine off, start it and leave engine running for the remander.


Dennis Perkins wrote:


Here is some tips from the archives,

TIPS ON CHANGING TRANSMISSION FLUID

Mickey, The BIGGEST problem is getting the torque converter drain plug into 
position! Once you have it lined up - PUT a paint mark on the crank damper 
so you can easily find it NEXT time!! Then a 5 mm hex (allen) to remove the 
plug and the fluid runs out. Replace the plug with a new washer (comes with 
the filter) and torque to - DUH - no manuals to look it up - I think it's 
about 20 ft-lbs, but CHECK IT! To refill - put 3-4 qts. of fluid into the 
transmission, start the engine and allow to run for a minute or so (run 
through the gears) to fill the torque converter, then shut down and add all 
but the last 1/2 qt of fluid. Then go for a 20-minute drive. When the fluid 
is HOT (after 15-20 minutes of driving) the level should be at the MAX 
mark - LOW and MAX marks are about 300 ml (a little more then 1/2 pt) apart. 
Add fluid 'til it near or at the MAX mark - DO NOT OVER FILL! With your 
transmissi0on the fluid should be about 10mm below the LOW/ADD mark when 
cold, but it's the warm/hot level that important.




Dennis Perkins

84 300SD


Hello all,

How much transmission fluid do I need to change the transmission fluid in my 
1985 300SD, I'm going to drain the converter too.  Also any tips would be 
appreciated.


Thanks
Mike Piles



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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Mitch Haley]

Don & Teresa Merriman wrote:
> 
> Knurling the valve guides is a used car lot repair. There are some old
> arguments about the groves left in the guide from knurling holds more oil
> for good lubrication, not in a cast iron guide, knurling fractures the metal
> about .005 deep for rapid wear.

It sounded like Trampas was talking about knurling the OUTSIDE of the guide
to keep it from falling loose from the head.

Re: [MBZ] Transmission Fluid

[Mike Piles]

Marshall,

Thanks for the torque specs, my torque wrench is ready and waiting.

Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Booth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 2:54 PM
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 > Hello all,


How much transmission fluid do I need to change the transmission fluid in 
my

1985 300SD, I'm going to drain the converter too.  Also any tips would be
appreciated.

Thanks
Mike Piles


Be sure not to overtighten the bolts that attach the pan to the
transmission. That's a VERY common mistake and can damage the gasket or
pan and sometimes require that they need be replaced. If tightened too
much the pan WILL distort and that can cause fluid to leak. You can also
CUT the gasket and transmission damage is likely (do NOT ask how I know
this).

Torque on the pan bolts is 7 Nm (that's only 5.2 lb-ft). If the pan is
not distorted that's all the pressure it takes to seal the pan. More is
NOT better.

The drain plugs (pan and torque converter) have a 14 Nm value (that's
only about 10.4 lb-ft).

Marshall
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Ass't Prof. (ret.)
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Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Don & Teresa Merriman]

Knurling the valve guides is a used car lot repair. There are some old
arguments about the groves left in the guide from knurling holds more oil
for good lubrication, not in a cast iron guide, knurling fractures the metal
about .005 deep for rapid wear. Silicone bronze guides? Most OE engines that
use bronze guides wear is not a issue. Bottom line don't do it even if you
plan to sell the car.

On 10/11/05, Ed Booher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> And what, exactly, is a Knurl, kind Sir?
>
> On 10/11/05, Trampas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Knurling the valve guides fixed problem...
> >
> > Regards,
> > Trampas
>
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Re: [MBZ] Break

[Mike Canfield]

Would that be the flower petal or the brake pedal you are speaking of?

LOL, Mike
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Break



If you loose or brake your break petal you will not have a good day,
have to get out the bike than peddle home.

--R

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Why do some insist on spelling "brake" as break? Certainly the word 
"break"
(or perhaps, broken) has a time honored history with MBs in general and 
all too

often.

RLE/Seattle/nothing broken at the moment

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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Trampas]

Let me tell you a story... 

I once got a Caravan really cheap only a few years old with a 2.6L 4 banger
Mitsu engine. I got it cheap because the head was cracked. New head and off
and running, well head cracked again, and again... Finally a friend of mine
had a totaled 3.8L V6 caravan, so I swapped engine, transmission, computers
etc. Then I had a nicer caravan. But it did not have power anything so I put
power seats, windows, door locks, etc. So now you know what I had, that is
right a POS caravan. 

My lesson was that it takes the same amount of money to fix a POS as it does
a nice W126. So now I drive W126's and not a caravan.

Regards,
Trampas 
  
 

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On Behalf Of redghost
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 6:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

Being cheap and evil myself, I would find a high threshold for hassling 
to get a franken van made.  Once it gets to over $30k in hassle, I 
would look at the newer sprinter.  Until then, I would make it fit

On Tuesday, October 11, 2005, at 01:09 PM, Ed Booher wrote:

> True, true. But on the slightly old van you have to either draft
> yourself or find an engineer / mechanic to help you move engine
> mounts, fabricate parts to connect to existing drive train (unless
> you're ripping everything from motor back out and if that's the case,
> more mount moves) Plus trying to tell someone who may be working on
> the vehicle (Hey, even gear heads feel under the weather and just want
> someone else to get dirty every once in a while) why the oil filter
> they are trying to put on that "Chevy 3.8 L engine" doesn't fit.
>
> *Anything* is possible, but it may not be entirely probable. I've had
> to talk myself out of measuring mount points on Mitsu 3.0 V6 engines
> several times. I love those things, and I still say one of these days
> one is going into an S10. And a W124. Maybe a BMW 3 Series, Jaguar XJ6
> .. bullet proof and strong. But costs and cooler heads prevail and
> I have yet to drop one into anything other than a Mitsu.
>
> On 10/11/05, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> That set up would be closer to $38k than to get a slightly old van and
>> drop the engine in.
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Break

[Rich Thomas]

If you loose or brake your break petal you will not have a good day, 
have to get out the bike than peddle home.


--R

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Why do some insist on spelling "brake" as break? Certainly the word "break" 
(or perhaps, broken) has a time honored history with MBs in general and all too 
often. 


RLE/Seattle/nothing broken at the moment

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Re: [MBZ] Break

[redghost]

Not sure, but Seattle schools teach as well as have teachers who are 
homophones.  All the phobes got run out of town


On Tuesday, October 11, 2005, at 02:27 PM, Dave M. wrote:


Apparently schools stopped teaching homophones about 10-15 years ago?
Another popular one is lose vs. loose...

*sigh*

-dm



--
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:27:24 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] Break

Why do some insist on spelling "brake" as break? Certainly the word 
"break"
(or perhaps, broken) has a time honored history with MBs in general 
and all too

often.

RLE/Seattle/nothing broken at the moment


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Re: [MBZ] Transmission Fluid

[Kerr Tung]

Hi Marshall,
 
What method do you suggest to use to get under the car to do the job w/o a lift 
or a grease-pit? I used a pair of floor jacks and a creeper and had to give up 
because I only had 5-6 inches between my face and the car bottom.
 
Thanks,
Kerr

Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> How much transmission fluid do I need to change the transmission fluid in my 
> 1985 300SD, I'm going to drain the converter too. Also any tips would be 
> appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> Mike Piles

Be sure not to overtighten the bolts that attach the pan to the 
transmission. That's a VERY common mistake and can damage the gasket or 
pan and sometimes require that they need be replaced. If tightened too 
much the pan WILL distort and that can cause fluid to leak. You can also 
CUT the gasket and transmission damage is likely (do NOT ask how I know 
this).

Torque on the pan bolts is 7 Nm (that's only 5.2 lb-ft). If the pan is 
not distorted that's all the pressure it takes to seal the pan. More is 
NOT better.

The drain plugs (pan and torque converter) have a 14 Nm value (that's 
only about 10.4 lb-ft).

Marshall
-- 
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Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST
Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Being cheap and evil myself, I would find a high threshold for hassling 
to get a franken van made.  Once it gets to over $30k in hassle, I 
would look at the newer sprinter.  Until then, I would make it fit

On Tuesday, October 11, 2005, at 01:09 PM, Ed Booher wrote:

> True, true. But on the slightly old van you have to either draft
> yourself or find an engineer / mechanic to help you move engine
> mounts, fabricate parts to connect to existing drive train (unless
> you're ripping everything from motor back out and if that's the case,
> more mount moves) Plus trying to tell someone who may be working on
> the vehicle (Hey, even gear heads feel under the weather and just want
> someone else to get dirty every once in a while) why the oil filter
> they are trying to put on that "Chevy 3.8 L engine" doesn't fit.
>
> *Anything* is possible, but it may not be entirely probable. I've had
> to talk myself out of measuring mount points on Mitsu 3.0 V6 engines
> several times. I love those things, and I still say one of these days
> one is going into an S10. And a W124. Maybe a BMW 3 Series, Jaguar XJ6
> .. bullet proof and strong. But costs and cooler heads prevail and
> I have yet to drop one into anything other than a Mitsu.
>
> On 10/11/05, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> That set up would be closer to $38k than to get a slightly old van and
>> drop the engine in.
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Break

[Trampas]

Well I have trouble spelling so often brakes become breaks and idle becomes
ideal, etc. Of course Microsoft has done wonders for my spelling, they
underline the really bad ones in read (red), and automagically correct some
of them. Needless to say I am getting lazy. 

Regards,
Trampas 
  
 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 5:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Break

Apparently schools stopped teaching homophones about 10-15 years ago?
Another popular one is lose vs. loose...

*sigh*

-dm


> --
> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:27:24 EDT
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [MBZ] Break
>
> Why do some insist on spelling "brake" as break? Certainly the word
"break"
> (or perhaps, broken) has a time honored history with MBs in general and
all too
> often.
>
> RLE/Seattle/nothing broken at the moment

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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Trampas]

My bad, in is cutting of groves in something like a metal handle. 

http://www.technologystudent.com/equip1/knurl1.htm

As I recall from years gone by, the 3.0L V6 by Mitsu that was used in the
caravan had brass/bronze valve guides and aluminum heads. The valve guides
would come loose from head and start getting oil in cylinders and smoke like
freight trains. The solution was to press out guides, knurl them and press
back in. At least that was what I was told by the machine shop... 

Regards,
Trampas 
  
 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 5:32 PM
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A knurl is cousin to the churl.:)

Thomas E. Potter
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Fax: (713) 215-2551
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Booher
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:58 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?


And what, exactly, is a Knurl, kind Sir?

On 10/11/05, Trampas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Knurling the valve guides fixed problem...
>
> Regards,
> Trampas

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[MBZ] mbz.org alive?

[Mitch Haley]

http://mbz.org/info/articles/

Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Potter, Tom E]

A knurl is cousin to the churl.:)

Thomas E. Potter
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?


And what, exactly, is a Knurl, kind Sir?

On 10/11/05, Trampas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Knurling the valve guides fixed problem...
>
> Regards,
> Trampas

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Re: [MBZ] Break

[Dave M.]

Apparently schools stopped teaching homophones about 10-15 years ago?
Another popular one is lose vs. loose...

*sigh*

-dm


> --
> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:27:24 EDT
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [MBZ] Break
>
> Why do some insist on spelling "brake" as break? Certainly the word "break"
> (or perhaps, broken) has a time honored history with MBs in general and all 
> too
> often.
>
> RLE/Seattle/nothing broken at the moment

Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Marshall Booth]

Ed Booher wrote:

And what, exactly, is a Knurl, kind Sir?

On 10/11/05, Trampas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Knurling the valve guides fixed problem...

Regards,
Trampas


That which is performed by a knurler! Becoming a lost art! May soon soon 
become only a legend along with viking, alchemist and truthful politician.


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Re: [MBZ] Break

[Steve MacSween]

Probably same ones who spell bumper 'bumber' on eBay. Unbloodybelievable.

Mac

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> (or perhaps, broken) has a time honored history with MBs in general and all
> too 
> often. 
> 
> RLE/Seattle/nothing broken at the moment
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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Ed Booher]

And what, exactly, is a Knurl, kind Sir?

On 10/11/05, Trampas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Knurling the valve guides fixed problem...
>
> Regards,
> Trampas

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Re: [MBZ] Break

[Marshall Booth]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why do some insist on spelling "brake" as break? Certainly the word "break" 
(or perhaps, broken) has a time honored history with MBs in general and all too 
often. 


The motive is to aggravate YOU!

Marshall
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Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
Department of Pharmacology  1300 BST
Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Trampas]

Knurling the valve guides fixed problem... 

Regards,
Trampas 
  
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 4:37 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 03:33:39PM -0500, Ed Booher wrote:
> I refuse to believe in this "valve guide" propaganda. Nothing but pure
> FUD for the engine design in question. There is especially no concerns
> about twin turbo all wheel drive arrangements of said engine.

Having seen the after effects of the weak valve train of the engine trampas
mentioned, it is not propaganda.

There is a relatively simple fix for the one weak link of the valve train, 
though (of course, I can't remember what it is). 

K

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Re: [MBZ] Transmission Fluid

[andrew strasfogel]

How do you know this, Marshall?
;)
On 10/11/05, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > How much transmission fluid do I need to change the transmission fluid
> in my
> > 1985 300SD, I'm going to drain the converter too. Also any tips would be
> > appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Mike Piles
>
> Be sure not to overtighten the bolts that attach the pan to the
> transmission. That's a VERY common mistake and can damage the gasket or
> pan and sometimes require that they need be replaced. If tightened too
> much the pan WILL distort and that can cause fluid to leak. You can also
> CUT the gasket and transmission damage is likely (do NOT ask how I know
> this).
>
> Torque on the pan bolts is 7 Nm (that's only 5.2 lb-ft). If the pan is
> not distorted that's all the pressure it takes to seal the pan. More is
> NOT better.
>
> The drain plugs (pan and torque converter) have a 14 Nm value (that's
> only about 10.4 lb-ft).
>
> Marshall
> --
> Marshall Booth Ph.D.
> Ass't Prof. (ret.)
> Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
> Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST
> Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Kevin]

On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 03:33:39PM -0500, Ed Booher wrote:
> I refuse to believe in this "valve guide" propaganda. Nothing but pure
> FUD for the engine design in question. There is especially no concerns
> about twin turbo all wheel drive arrangements of said engine.

Having seen the after effects of the weak valve train of the engine trampas
mentioned, it is not propaganda.

There is a relatively simple fix for the one weak link of the valve train, 
though (of course, I can't remember what it is). 

K

Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Ed Booher]

I refuse to believe in this "valve guide" propaganda. Nothing but pure
FUD for the engine design in question. There is especially no concerns
about twin turbo all wheel drive arrangements of said engine.

On 10/11/05, Trampas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Same Mitsu 3.0L with the valve guide problems?
>
> Regards,
> Trampas


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[MBZ] Break

[RELNGSON]

Why do some insist on spelling "brake" as break? Certainly the word "break" 
(or perhaps, broken) has a time honored history with MBs in general and all too 
often. 

RLE/Seattle/nothing broken at the moment

Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Trampas]

Same Mitsu 3.0L with the valve guide problems?

Regards,
Trampas 
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Ed Booher
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 4:10 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

True, true. But on the slightly old van you have to either draft
yourself or find an engineer / mechanic to help you move engine
mounts, fabricate parts to connect to existing drive train (unless
you're ripping everything from motor back out and if that's the case,
more mount moves) Plus trying to tell someone who may be working on
the vehicle (Hey, even gear heads feel under the weather and just want
someone else to get dirty every once in a while) why the oil filter
they are trying to put on that "Chevy 3.8 L engine" doesn't fit.

*Anything* is possible, but it may not be entirely probable. I've had
to talk myself out of measuring mount points on Mitsu 3.0 V6 engines
several times. I love those things, and I still say one of these days
one is going into an S10. And a W124. Maybe a BMW 3 Series, Jaguar XJ6
.. bullet proof and strong. But costs and cooler heads prevail and
I have yet to drop one into anything other than a Mitsu.

On 10/11/05, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That set up would be closer to $38k than to get a slightly old van and
> drop the engine in.
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Ed Booher]

True, true. But on the slightly old van you have to either draft
yourself or find an engineer / mechanic to help you move engine
mounts, fabricate parts to connect to existing drive train (unless
you're ripping everything from motor back out and if that's the case,
more mount moves) Plus trying to tell someone who may be working on
the vehicle (Hey, even gear heads feel under the weather and just want
someone else to get dirty every once in a while) why the oil filter
they are trying to put on that "Chevy 3.8 L engine" doesn't fit.

*Anything* is possible, but it may not be entirely probable. I've had
to talk myself out of measuring mount points on Mitsu 3.0 V6 engines
several times. I love those things, and I still say one of these days
one is going into an S10. And a W124. Maybe a BMW 3 Series, Jaguar XJ6
.. bullet proof and strong. But costs and cooler heads prevail and
I have yet to drop one into anything other than a Mitsu.

On 10/11/05, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That set up would be closer to $38k than to get a slightly old van and
> drop the engine in.
>

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Re: [MBZ] Lucent?

[Mitch Haley]

David Brodbeck wrote:
>  I'd
> also like to point out that one of the most vocal opponents to it is the
> Nevada governor, who is a Republican.  You can't lay all the blame at
> the feet of "tree huggers.")

Can I blame the NIMBY's?
There's a bunch of them in Meridian Township, east of Lansing. 
They built their homes, schools, etc on top of a pipeline. 
When the pipeline had a failure 30 miles south of there, the
petro company wanted to replace the whole thing. All the nitwits
who bought houses with an old and unsafe pipeline running through
the backyard suddenly didn't think they should have to live in
a house with a pipeline running behind it, not even a much safer
one than the one that's there. The answer? Reroute it through some
poor neighborhoods in Lansing, where nobody ever volunteered to
live over a pipeline.

Re: [MBZ] Transmission Fluid

[Marshall Booth]

 > Hello all,


How much transmission fluid do I need to change the transmission fluid in my 
1985 300SD, I'm going to drain the converter too.  Also any tips would be 
appreciated.


Thanks
Mike Piles


Be sure not to overtighten the bolts that attach the pan to the 
transmission. That's a VERY common mistake and can damage the gasket or 
pan and sometimes require that they need be replaced. If tightened too 
much the pan WILL distort and that can cause fluid to leak. You can also 
CUT the gasket and transmission damage is likely (do NOT ask how I know 
this).


Torque on the pan bolts is 7 Nm (that's only 5.2 lb-ft). If the pan is 
not distorted that's all the pressure it takes to seal the pan. More is 
NOT better.


The drain plugs (pan and torque converter) have a 14 Nm value (that's 
only about 10.4 lb-ft).


Marshall
--
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Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
Department of Pharmacology  1300 BST
Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [MBZ] Transmission Fluid

[Dennis Perkins]

Here is some tips from the archives,

TIPS ON CHANGING TRANSMISSION FLUID

Mickey, The BIGGEST problem is getting the torque converter drain plug into 
position! Once you have it lined up - PUT a paint mark on the crank damper 
so you can easily find it NEXT time!! Then a 5 mm hex (allen) to remove the 
plug and the fluid runs out. Replace the plug with a new washer (comes with 
the filter) and torque to - DUH - no manuals to look it up - I think it's 
about 20 ft-lbs, but CHECK IT! To refill - put 3-4 qts. of fluid into the 
transmission, start the engine and allow to run for a minute or so (run 
through the gears) to fill the torque converter, then shut down and add all 
but the last 1/2 qt of fluid. Then go for a 20-minute drive. When the fluid 
is HOT (after 15-20 minutes of driving) the level should be at the MAX 
mark - LOW and MAX marks are about 300 ml (a little more then 1/2 pt) apart. 
Add fluid 'til it near or at the MAX mark - DO NOT OVER FILL! With your 
transmissi0on the fluid should be about 10mm below the LOW/ADD mark when 
cold, but it's the warm/hot level that important.




Dennis Perkins

84 300SD


Hello all,

How much transmission fluid do I need to change the transmission fluid in my 
1985 300SD, I'm going to drain the converter too.  Also any tips would be 
appreciated.


Thanks
Mike Piles

Re: [MBZ] Odd SD power seat problem

[Trampas]

If the switch is dirty it can appear to have power, but when placed under
load the power goes away due to high impedance of switch contacts. 

Regards,
Trampas 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Steve MacSween
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:12 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Odd SD power seat problem

someone claiming to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Check for power with motors connected. Most likely you have dirty contacts
> on switches. If you are brave and steady handed you can take switch apart
> and clean contacts.

There IS power going to the connection from the switch (the plug at the end
of the harness). That is the weirdness.

Mac


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Re: [MBZ] B2 Piston Failure

[Marshall Booth]

Barry Stark wrote:

Bruce -
The only quick test is the B2 only controls forward gears, it should still
have reverse. OTOH, he did say it went bang when it quit. I'm guessing it
may more likely be the B2 band that broke, not the piston.

Barry


Either the band breaking OR the piston failing will result in failed 
forward motion and proper reverse. Least involved way (I can think of) 
to be SURE is to pull the B-2 piston and see if it's shattered.


Marshall
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Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
Department of Pharmacology  1300 BST
Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
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Re: [MBZ] Odd SD power seat problem

[Steve MacSween]

someone claiming to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Check for power with motors connected. Most likely you have dirty contacts
> on switches. If you are brave and steady handed you can take switch apart
> and clean contacts.

There IS power going to the connection from the switch (the plug at the end
of the harness). That is the weirdness.

Mac

Re: [MBZ] diesel wagon years...

[Marshall Booth]

Marshall Booth wrote:

The car described in the Star article was NOT a US certified vehicle 
(the 210 wagon was NEVER certified for the US as far as I can tell) so 
it was either here temporarily or was driven outside the US.


I intended to say: the 210 DIESEL wagon was never US certified! Sorry.

Marshall
--
Marshall Booth Ph.D.
Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
Department of Pharmacology  1300 BST
Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [MBZ] diesel wagon years...

[Marshall Booth]

ned kleinhenz wrote:

Christopher McCann wrote:


what was the last model of MB diesel station wagon
sold in the US and what is the chassis #?


 I'm just being a PITA - but it seems within in the last few years, there
was feature article in the Star about a great new W210 turbo diesel wagon.
Did it ever arrive in the US? Somehow I totally lost contact with MBCA, and
haven't seen a Star magazine in a year or two.


The car described in the Star article was NOT a US certified vehicle 
(the 210 wagon was NEVER certified for the US as far as I can tell) so 
it was either here temporarily or was driven outside the US.


Marshall
--
Marshall Booth Ph.D.
Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
Department of Pharmacology  1300 BST
Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [MBZ] diesel wagon years...(Achtung! John McIntosh!)

[Marshall Booth]

Christopher McCann wrote:

SWEEET!

http://www.victoriacitymotors.com/car11.html

Now, how is a 1990 or 1992 300TD different from a
1987?


Every year Mercedes makes tens or even hundreds of changes to the cars 
it builds. Some changes are VERY minor and some are quite major (the 
heads and head gaskets for OM603.96 engines were all revised in '89-90). 
The only way to know is to study the factory documentation. MBUSA does 
NOT provide documentation on models they did not import so finding 
what's better about a '90 or '92 diesel wagon is going to be difficult. 
If you look at the gasoline versions of the cars, that can OFTEN provide 
a hint of what might have changed. You can also ask European or Asian 
owners to see what was available to them.


Marshall
--
Marshall Booth Ph.D.
Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
Department of Pharmacology  1300 BST
Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[redghost]

That set up would be closer to $38k than to get a slightly old van and 
drop the engine in.


On Tuesday, October 11, 2005, at 10:22 AM, Jeff Zedic wrote:


Why not buy a Sprinter?

Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD
83 300D

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Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] Lucent?

[David Brodbeck]

Bob DuPuy wrote:

Ok fine,
Lets go back to horses and sailing ships. We can reserve fossil fuel
for the elite ruling class libs in their G4s and restrict wilderness
for study by sierra club scientists. Oh yeah while we're at it lets
ban drilling in every desolate remote corner of the artic or even
exploration in the eastern gulf and try to block any plan put forward
to dispose on nuclear waste.
Nice strawman you've created there.  Too bad I didn't suggest any of 
that.  (Actually, I favor the Yucca Mountain site; it may not be 
perfect, but I think it's the best we're likely to come up with.  I'd 
also like to point out that one of the most vocal opponents to it is the 
Nevada governor, who is a Republican.  You can't lay all the blame at 
the feet of "tree huggers.")

If even the French can generate 75% of
their electricity with nuc power and excellent safety we should be
able to do better.
They subsidize their program heavily and use reprocessing.  The Japanese 
also make heavy use of reprocessing, and their safety record hasn't been 
nearly as good.  Given the somewhat shaky safety record of nuclear 
plants in the U.S., with several being shut down in the last decade for 
safety violations, I'm not sure we're any more up to the challenge than 
the Japanese are.

Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Mike Canfield]

Would be a GREAT dream considderring the 19 mpg highway my Girlfriends 
father gets with his brand new Trailblazer..For the cost in fuel savings 
alone maybe you should look into the MBZ based Sprinter lineup.


Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Kevin J. Slater" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 12:47 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?



I need to replace our people mover 1992 Pontiac Transport van. (Only has
178k miles, but it's getting tired for my beleagured wife.) We need
seating for 6 people and it would be nice if it could tow our popup camper
(about 2200 lbs loaded). So we're looking at Chevy Trailblazers, etc. I
got to wondering, how hard would it be to swap out their inline 4.2l 6 and
drop in a 2.7l turbo diesel from MB? I realize this is completely pie in
the sky, but it's a combo that I could live with!

...Kevin
87 300TD 278k mi


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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Jeff Zedic]

I spoke with a FedEx employee a copuple of weeks ago that was driving a 
MB badged Sprinter. She told me she had it and not that Dodge thing 
because she was so special. I then told her that the only difference was 
the badging.


Apparently it was FedEx that started this whole thing but didn't want to 
be seen driving MB's because they would be accused of having too much 
money! hahaha


I see at least 10-12 Sprinters a day here in Toronto and as many Smart 
cars as well! And the idiots at MBNA thoguht there'd be no market for 
them! BAH!


Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD
83 300D

Re: [MBZ] Odd SD power seat problem

[Trampas]

Check for power with motors connected. Most likely you have dirty contacts
on switches. If you are brave and steady handed you can take switch apart
and clean contacts. 

Regards,
Trampas 
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Steve MacSween
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 11:37 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] Odd SD power seat problem

On my newly acquired w126 300sd, I am having an odd problem whereby first I
thought two of the seat motors must have been shot, but when fed power
directly (to the connection under the seat) they do move.

Checked the other end of the connection and power IS coming through the
harness to the plug, enough to light up a test light anyway. But when you
plug it all in, the motors don't move.

My first suspect is a weak ground, but I assume this setup grounds itself
through the harness. Never got into electrical troubleshooting like this
before, any suggestions?

All the connectors, etc., are pristine. This car came from the CA desert.

Thanks

Mac
Aylmer, Quebec
'60 220s / '82 240d (x2) / '82 300sd
'75 Volvo 164e 



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Re: [MBZ] Normal RPM for 1985 300SD @ 70mph???

[Trampas]

I think mine is around 3000RPM for 65-70MPH

Regards,
Trampas 
  
 

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On Behalf Of Raymond Trotta
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 1:44 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] Normal RPM for 1985 300SD @ 70mph???


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Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Ed Booher]

What Jeff said, Buy a Sprinter :) Slightly off topic, I saw a
*Mercedes* Sprinter in Indiana today. Has MB ever sold a properly
badged Sprinter in the NA region? If the guy hadn't been on his way
somewhere (ie filling up, getting out to get lunch, etc) I would have
stopped and asked if he had just bought the proper Euro parts to take
it back to MB badging.

Though  it was a work Sprinter, hauling a small trailer, very
short wheel base, no windows in cargo area  so for a van that was
obviously for work and not show it doesn't make sense that they would
have gone through the trouble to Euro-ize it.

On 10/11/05, Kevin J. Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I need to replace our people mover 1992 Pontiac Transport van. (Only has
> 178k miles, but it's getting tired for my beleagured wife.) We need
> seating for 6 people and it would be nice if it could tow our popup camper
> (about 2200 lbs loaded). So we're looking at Chevy Trailblazers, etc. I
> got to wondering, how hard would it be to swap out their inline 4.2l 6 and
> drop in a 2.7l turbo diesel from MB? I realize this is completely pie in
> the sky, but it's a combo that I could live with!
>
> ...Kevin
> 87 300TD 278k mi

--
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[MBZ] Normal RPM for 1985 300SD @ 70mph???

[Raymond Trotta]

Re: [MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Jeff Zedic]

Why not buy a Sprinter?

Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD
83 300D

[MBZ] OT: A guy can dream can't he?

[Kevin J. Slater]

I need to replace our people mover 1992 Pontiac Transport van. (Only has
178k miles, but it's getting tired for my beleagured wife.) We need
seating for 6 people and it would be nice if it could tow our popup camper
(about 2200 lbs loaded). So we're looking at Chevy Trailblazers, etc. I
got to wondering, how hard would it be to swap out their inline 4.2l 6 and
drop in a 2.7l turbo diesel from MB? I realize this is completely pie in
the sky, but it's a combo that I could live with!

...Kevin
87 300TD 278k mi

Re: [MBZ] Transmission Fluid

[Rusty Cullens]

8 Liters

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Piles
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 12:35 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: [MBZ] Transmission Fluid

Hello all,
 
How much transmission fluid do I need to change the transmission fluid
in my 1985 300SD, I'm going to drain the converter too.  Also any tips
would be appreciated.
 
Thanks
Mike Piles
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[MBZ] Transmission Fluid

[Mike Piles]

Hello all,
 
How much transmission fluid do I need to change the transmission fluid in my 
1985 300SD, I'm going to drain the converter too.  Also any tips would be 
appreciated.
 
Thanks
Mike Piles

Re: [MBZ] Consumers Reports battery ratings

[John M McIntosh]

On 10-Oct-05, at 10:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


ps since no one has raised it does mercedes makewindshield  
washer

fluid ??? and will pep boys stuff work in a 500  sec



Sure they make windshield washer fluid, an additive you add to  
whatever is in your tank

Summer and winter variety.

Summer stuff is A 001 986 80 71 10
Nominal cost via
http://wwwsg.daimlerchrysler.com/Projects/wi/cda/etpl? 
ETNR=a001986807110&from=query&etpl_lang=01

is
WINDSHIELD WASHER SOLVENT
EUR 1.75

15-30% anionische und nichtionische Tenside and
some other additive.

See (hint, two types of soap)
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fac16.uni- 
paderborn.de%2Fstudienarbeiten%2Faulig%2Fchemie.html&langpair=de% 
7Cen&hl=en&safe=off&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools

or
http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl=en&sl=de&u=http:// 
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anionische_Tenside&prev=/search%3Fq%3Danionische 
%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den



Normal windshield washer fluid is mostly
"methanol and isopropyl alcohol content of windshield washer  
antifreeze provides the fluid with some cleaning and degreasing  
properties."

with I'll guess coloring.

That is quite different from the MB solution, alcohol versus soap,  
mind the MB solution can be added to alcohol based products which is

what the winter variety is based on.



John
1983 300TDt  358k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1990 300TDt  149k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 168k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)

[MBZ] 90 300D 2.5

[Donald Snook]

Mitch wrote:

 

How's it compare to this?
http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/showthread.php3?t=136442

 

Well let's see. His has fewer miles. Mine has 243K.  I am the third
owner also.  I bought it from my Mechanic in Topeka, Kansas.  He bought
it from his customer.  The customer was the original owner.  The
customer bought it new.  He only had my mechanic work on it (with the
exception of warranty work at the dealer).  When it had 140,000, my
mechanic bought it from him.  He drove it for several years (he had
seven cars and used this car as a "trip" car because of the great
mileage.  He drove his 94 500E on a daily basis.  I bought it from my
mechanic when he was going through a divorce.  He had to give his wife
something. I traded in my crappy old 84 280E and he gave her that.  The
original owner was a fanatic about maintenance and cleaning and so was
my mechanic.  He thought the wheels were too hard to clean, so he
purchased 6 new style wheels. So that he could also have matching rear
snow tires.  I still have these. So, the car comes with 7 tires and
wheels.  (four on the car, 2 snows mounted and the spare.) I honestly
don't know if which wheel the spare is on because I have never needed
it. I have service records back to the original purchase (or at least my
mechanic does). 

 

I have not replaced the timing chain.  The chain stretch was measured
before I bought it and it was less than 2 degrees.  My mechanic was of
the opinion that if you used good oil, changed it frequently and never
let it get a quart down, that timing chains rarely need to be replaced.
I think I agree with him, because my old 123 had the original chain at
487,000 when I sold it.  A friend of mine bought it and decided it would
be a good idea to do it at 500,000 miles.  Some jackass in a suburban
crashed into him at 494XXX and it totaled the car. 

 

I flushed the transmission when I got it. I have since changed the fluid
and filter since.  I do it every 25,000 because I once bought a new MB
transmission on an older model and I have decided that $100 bucks every
25,000 is a whole lot cheaper than a new tranny. 

 

I have NO RUST! 

 

No body panels have been replaced on my car, no paint work has been
done.   

 

Mine is smoke silver (I think that is what the color is called).  I do
like black.  But, you have to wash them every 11 minutes to keep them
clean.  I really like the smoke silver color it looks very nice clean
and dust doesn't make it filthy instantly after it is washed.
Incidentally, my mechanic always hand washed this car in his shop. He
says car washes were too hard on cars.  I have not followed his advice
to the letter. I still go to the car wash whenever I can't wash it at
home. 

 

 

I bet mine is cleaner.  Mine will also be cheaper than $6700.  

 

By the way, my washer tank leaks.  I think that is the worst problem
with the car. 

 

 

 

Donald H. Snook

McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn & Herrington, P.A. 

300 West Douglas

P.O. Box 207

Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207

Tel. (316) 263-5851

This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client
privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you
have recieved this message in error, please delete it and notify me.  

 

[MBZ] Odd SD power seat problem

[Steve MacSween]

On my newly acquired w126 300sd, I am having an odd problem whereby first I
thought two of the seat motors must have been shot, but when fed power
directly (to the connection under the seat) they do move.

Checked the other end of the connection and power IS coming through the
harness to the plug, enough to light up a test light anyway. But when you
plug it all in, the motors don't move.

My first suspect is a weak ground, but I assume this setup grounds itself
through the harness. Never got into electrical troubleshooting like this
before, any suggestions?

All the connectors, etc., are pristine. This car came from the CA desert.

Thanks

Mac
Aylmer, Quebec
'60 220s / '82 240d (x2) / '82 300sd
'75 Volvo 164e 

Re: [MBZ] Speaking of batteries

[J.B. Hebert]

The Walmart battery book does list MB diesels, however the group 49 
battery is rarely stocked, and some Walmarts don't want to order them 
because they have to order them in lots and don't have the storage 
for the extras.  This has been my experience, anyway, and I'm sure 
the larger stores wouldn't have a problem.


J.B.

At 01:04 AM 10/11/2005, you wrote:


Steve MacSween wrote:
> I will shortly be purchasing not one, but TWO for diesels.
>
> Someone remind me what group I need for an OM617? I doubt they list it in
> the Wal Mart isle ;-).

I expect that you'll want a group 49 battery - the more expensive
Wal-Mart battery looks VERY attractive.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Consumers Reports battery ratings

[J.B. Hebert]

If price were not a consideration, I would run an Optima.  However, I 
can't justify three times the cost on a daily driver.  The one place 
I allow myself the Optima luxury is on my 4x4, where I could be 100 
miles from civilization and can't afford to have a battery fail.  And 
even then, I run two, just in case.  I could run a standard battery, 
but it is nice to know if (when) I'm upside down, I'm not going to 
have a battery leak.  I've never been in a situation in another car 
where a total battery failure would leave me in peril.


J.B.

At 09:36 PM 10/10/2005, you wrote:

I've always been partial to Optima Batteries and so far I have 
nothing but good things to say about them. If you can take a battery 
and install it in any position (upside down, sideways) and it works 
no matter what then its a good battery. Maybe a bit more in price, 
but it will never leave you stranded and the good part is it 
protects itself from excessive drain and always provides enough 
juice to start your car.


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72 350SL   108,000 Miles
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From: J.B. Hebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Harry Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mercedes mailing list 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Sent: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:13:29 -0400
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Consumers Reports battery ratings


I've run EverStarts in everything from lawn tractors to 2 Mercedes
diesels with 0 problems.  Several batteries have been severely
abused, being run completely dead numerous times, and they've always
bounced back after a good charge.  For the price, you can't go
wrong.  Seat of the pants told me they were good batteries; it's nice
to know that scientific tests back that up, as well.

J.B.

At 09:02 PM 10/9/2005, you wrote:

>November 2005 issue reports that the Wal Mart EverStart beats the Diehard.
>
>Only six of 39 batteries tested met their CCA claims and four of those were
>EverStart.
>
>I didn't know about batteies having a date code so you can pick out a fresh
>one.  They state that most batteries have them.
>
>Interesting read.
>
>Harry Watkins
>Newton, MS
>86 SDL Silver
>85 300D Euro
>86 SDL Gold
>81 240D manual trans
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Clunk in drivetrain, help

[Jwtdiesel]

In a message dated 10/11/2005 11:00:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>>it's your rear flex disk...very common...it progressively gets worse 
over<<<
>>>time...mine needs to be replaced as well.<<<
What should I look for when I check my rear flex plate? How will I know that 
it is bad?




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Re: [MBZ] Clunk in drivetrain, help

[Gabriel S.]

it's your rear flex disk...very common...it progressively gets worse over
time...mine needs to be replaced as well.

On 10/10/05, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Mike Piles wrote:
> > On my 1985 300SD I have an unidentified "clunk" in the drivetrain.
> Here's the scenario, your driving down the street let's say at 35mph. When
> you let off the accelerator you get the "clunk". Any ideas?
> >
>
> What you describe could be caused by many things including a collapsed
> motor or transmission mount, failed front flex disc, loose driveshaft
> coupling nut, failed center bearing support, failed rear flex disc or
> differential mount.
>
> Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Re dont let this happen to you

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

That may or may not be the rule.  As I said before, the wrecker co puts 
a lien on the car for the amount, and most likely you will not want to 
pick up the car(they rack up the bills on purpose so you wont).  When 
you dont pick it up, they basically auction the car off to themselves to 
pay the "debt".  Thats it.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


UNDER THIS SECTION THE LAST REGISTERED OWNER OF RECORD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR  THE


ABANDONMENT OF ANY VEHICLE AND WILL BE LIABLE FOR ANY COSTS INCURRED  IN
REMOVING, STORING AND D~SPOSINC OF VEHICLE.

NOTE:  Failure to redeem an abandoned vehicle constitutes the traffic 
infraction of "littering - -abandon vehicle". Penalties for this 


infraction  

may include, but not be limited to, a $250.00 fine, which cannot be  


reduced 

(ROW 46.63.110 (2)), suspension of all driving privilages (ROW  46.20.289) 
and other penalties as may be imposed by a  court.




BZT

That's an ordinance that is going to get burned  on the first appeal.

K



no ...that is exactly what the rule here  is
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Re: [MBZ] sites that address voltage problems

[Tom Hargrave]

A battery isolator will drop 0.6 volts and the actual drop across long
cables will be determined by length and load.

The correct solution to both of these issues is to find a way to feed your
actual battery voltage to your alternator through a sense wire that runs
from the battery to your alternator.

Thanks,
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 11:34 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] sites that address voltage problems


Tom Hargrave wrote:
>Here's my take on this:
>
>
>This seller is peddling a solution to a perceived problem.
For the most part, I think that's true.  The exception is when someone
is using a battery isolator, or very long battery cables (like in some
VWs.)  Then the Bosch alternator's lack of an external sense wire
becomes a problem.


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Re: [MBZ] Bad idle after hot soak

[Trampas]

That is correct, if you reduce it too much you will not have a fast idle on
hot restart thus causing stalls...

Regards,
Trampas 
  
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of M.Affzaal.Khan
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:13 AM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad idle after hot soak

Most Informative, and  certainly worth a try before dishing out 200 for a
new unit..
I assume you reduced the spring tension, to correct for wear and tear.

Regards
Mak

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From: "Trampas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Mercedes mailing list'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad idle after hot soak


> Yes the idle control valve is electronically controlled. However if you
take
> one of the idle control valves off the car and look at the center portion
> you will se a plastic cap. Taking an ice pick you can pop this cap off.
> Under the cap is what looks like a threaded brass insert. By screwing in a
> screw you can move this brass insert in and out. This changes the spring
> tension on the actuator, the less spring tension the less current it takes
> to drop idle.  By playing with the spring tension I have fixed several
cars
> with idle problems. Of course the first thing to do is clean everything
> using carburetor cleaner before playing with adjustment.
>
> If you are looking at getting a new idle control valve for $180 it would
be
> worth your time to play with the adjustment.
>
> Regards,
> Trampas
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of M.Affzaal.Khan
> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 10:30 PM
> To: Mercedes mailing list
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad idle after hot soak
>
> Adjustment? Is the Idle control valve  not  electronically operated?
> mak
> - Original Message -
> From: "Trampas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Mercedes mailing list'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad idle after hot soak
>
>
> > I found that the idle control valve was not adjusted properly and thus
was
> > not letting the engine idle high enough on restart. After adjusting it
> > appears to work better.
> >
> > I am thinking about designing a new idle control module, one that will
> > supply more than 1000mA and will adapt to the worn idle control valves.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Trampas
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of Trampas
> > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 7:15 PM
> > To: 'Mercedes mailing list'
> > Subject: [MBZ] Bad idle after hot soak
> >
> > I am having a strange problem with my 1991 560SEL. After I run my car
and
> > get it warm, the cut off and let sit for about 1 hour, when I restart
the
> > car does not want to idle. I thought it was the idle speed control unit
so
> I
> > replaced with a used one and found no difference.
> >
> > I thought it may be leaking injectors but even after reving the engine
at
> > 2000RPMs for a couple of seconds it does not clear up. Maybe someone
else
> > has ran into this problem before?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Trampas
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Lucent?

[Bob DuPuy]

Ok fine,
Lets go back to horses and sailing ships. We can reserve fossil fuel
for the elite ruling class libs in their G4s and restrict wilderness
for study by sierra club scientists. Oh yeah while we're at it lets
ban drilling in every desolate remote corner of the artic or even
exploration in the eastern gulf and try to block any plan put forward
to dispose on nuclear waste. If even the French can generate 75% of
their electricity with nuc power and excellent safety we should be
able to do better. The whole strategy of the tree huggers is to make
it so burdensome and expensive that it doesn't make good business
sense. WE all pay the price it is up to you. Just try to be informed
not brainwashed.

Bob

On 10/11/05, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bob DuPuy wrote:
> > Then special interest lobbyists get legislation passed that
> >makes it hard to impossible to build nuclear power plants or
> >refineries and the public is coned into blaming the evil rich for a
> >lack of clean affordable energy.
> >
>
> After the number of refinery explosions Texas has had in the last few
> years, I don't blame people for not wanting to live next to one.  Maybe
> the industry should clean up its act and its safety record if it wants
> to be viewed positively.  I guess it's cheaper to just buy lax
> regulation with campaign contributions, though.
>
> As for nuclear power, I'm all for it as soon as we have somewhere to put
> the waste.  Although...nuclear power is subsidized to a degree that most
> industries can only dream of.  It's not clear to me that it's at all
> economically viable.  I've heard it argued before that a free market
> would never choose nuclear fission power.  I think "free-market"
> conservatives only support it because they know it ticks off
> environmentalists. ;)
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Re: [MBZ] Consumers Reports battery ratings

[Hendrik Riessen]

Ahhmn.I don't use genuine Mercedes-Benz fuel, does that make me a bad 
person?


Hendrik
good news the mog is finally registered, bad news the wallet is an awful lot 
emptier


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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Consumers Reports battery ratings


what are we  i cant believeth it  i would have thought  we  HAD 
to

use only mercedes benz battery's
 you know some ppl in this group
collins



WHY?

Marshall


WELL.  there is ALLWAYS the  prolonged  discourse regarding the 
following

things
a break fluid!
b transmission fluid!
c air conditioner refrigerant!
d air conditioner compressors!
e automotive glass!
f wheel bearing torque !
g wheel bearing grease!
h godonlyknowswhatelse!
I i am surprised  there have been no howls of protest no out rage !!! 
using

a non  MERCEDES BATTERY!?!!?( GASP), oh the humanity!

ps since no one has raised it does mercedes makewindshield washer
fluid ??? and will pep boys stuff work in a 500  sec

ahh let the diatribe begin!

collins
1985 500 sec
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Re: [MBZ] Bad idle after hot soak

[M.Affzaal.Khan]

Most Informative, and  certainly worth a try before dishing out 200 for a
new unit..
I assume you reduced the spring tension, to correct for wear and tear.

Regards
Mak

- Original Message -
From: "Trampas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Mercedes mailing list'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad idle after hot soak


> Yes the idle control valve is electronically controlled. However if you
take
> one of the idle control valves off the car and look at the center portion
> you will se a plastic cap. Taking an ice pick you can pop this cap off.
> Under the cap is what looks like a threaded brass insert. By screwing in a
> screw you can move this brass insert in and out. This changes the spring
> tension on the actuator, the less spring tension the less current it takes
> to drop idle.  By playing with the spring tension I have fixed several
cars
> with idle problems. Of course the first thing to do is clean everything
> using carburetor cleaner before playing with adjustment.
>
> If you are looking at getting a new idle control valve for $180 it would
be
> worth your time to play with the adjustment.
>
> Regards,
> Trampas
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of M.Affzaal.Khan
> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 10:30 PM
> To: Mercedes mailing list
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad idle after hot soak
>
> Adjustment? Is the Idle control valve  not  electronically operated?
> mak
> - Original Message -
> From: "Trampas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Mercedes mailing list'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad idle after hot soak
>
>
> > I found that the idle control valve was not adjusted properly and thus
was
> > not letting the engine idle high enough on restart. After adjusting it
> > appears to work better.
> >
> > I am thinking about designing a new idle control module, one that will
> > supply more than 1000mA and will adapt to the worn idle control valves.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Trampas
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of Trampas
> > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 7:15 PM
> > To: 'Mercedes mailing list'
> > Subject: [MBZ] Bad idle after hot soak
> >
> > I am having a strange problem with my 1991 560SEL. After I run my car
and
> > get it warm, the cut off and let sit for about 1 hour, when I restart
the
> > car does not want to idle. I thought it was the idle speed control unit
so
> I
> > replaced with a used one and found no difference.
> >
> > I thought it may be leaking injectors but even after reving the engine
at
> > 2000RPMs for a couple of seconds it does not clear up. Maybe someone
else
> > has ran into this problem before?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Trampas
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Consumers Reports battery ratings

[PONDERSOA]

what are we  i cant believeth it  i would have thought  we  HAD  to 
> use only mercedes benz battery's  
>  you know some ppl in this group 
> collins  


WHY?

Marshall
 

WELL.  there is ALLWAYS the  prolonged  discourse regarding the following 
things
a break fluid!
b transmission fluid!
c air conditioner refrigerant!
d air conditioner compressors! 
e automotive glass!
f wheel bearing torque !
g wheel bearing grease!
h godonlyknowswhatelse!
I i am surprised  there have been no howls of protest no out rage !!!  using 
a non  MERCEDES BATTERY!?!!?( GASP), oh the humanity!
 
ps since no one has raised it does mercedes makewindshield washer 
fluid ??? and will pep boys stuff work in a 500  sec
 
ahh let the diatribe begin!
 
collins 
1985 500 sec

Re: [MBZ] B2 Piston Failure

[Barry Stark]

Bruce -
The only quick test is the B2 only controls forward gears, it should still
have reverse. OTOH, he did say it went bang when it quit. I'm guessing it
may more likely be the B2 band that broke, not the piston.

Barry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 11:13 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] B2 Piston Failure


http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/103011770.html

Daughter needs a car.  It might be worthwhile if it's
only a B2 piston...is there a simple way to check?

Bruce

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 5, Issue 53

[Van Cleve]

Maybe so but i don't want to be the guinea pig ;-)


Some people try to turn back their odometers. Not me, I want people to know 
"why" I look this way. I've travelled a long way and some of the roads 
weren't paved.


Steve



From: Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Re dont let this happen to you
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:36:43 -0700
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On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 09:03:44PM -0700, Van Cleve wrote:
> Heres the part that had me a little worried,
>
> Steve
> They'l never take me alive :-)
>
> AS A RESULT OF A LAW PASSED BY THE LEGISLATURE EFFECTIVE 06-1 3-02, A NEW
> SECTION RELATING TO ABANDONED VEHICLES HAS BEEN ADDED TO R.C.W. 46,55.
>
> UNDER THIS SECTION THE LAST REGISTERED OWNER OF RECORD IS RESPONSIBLE 
FOR THE

> ABANDONMENT OF ANY VEHICLE AND WILL BE LIABLE FOR ANY COSTS INCURRED IN
> REMOVING, STORING AND D~SPOSINC OF VEHICLE.
>
> NOTE: Failure to redeem an abandoned vehicle constitutes the traffic
> infraction of "littering - -abandon vehicle". Penalties for this 
infraction
> may include, but not be limited to, a $250.00 fine, which cannot be 
reduced

> (ROW 46.63.110 (2)), suspension of all driving privilages (ROW 46.20.289)
> and other penalties as may be imposed by a court.


BZT

That's an ordinance that is going to get burned on the first appeal.

K



- 

Re: [MBZ] Clunk in drivetrain, help

[Marshall Booth]

Mike Piles wrote:

On my 1985 300SD I have an unidentified "clunk" in the drivetrain. Here's the scenario, 
your driving down the street let's say at 35mph. When you let off the accelerator you get the 
"clunk". Any ideas?



What you describe could be caused by many things including a collapsed 
motor or transmission mount, failed front flex disc, loose driveshaft 
coupling nut, failed center bearing support, failed rear flex disc or 
differential mount.


Marshall
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'87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 
159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi

Re: [MBZ] Speaking of batteries

[Marshall Booth]

Steve MacSween wrote:

I will shortly be purchasing not one, but TWO for diesels.

Someone remind me what group I need for an OM617? I doubt they list it in
the Wal Mart isle ;-).


I expect that you'll want a group 49 battery - the more expensive 
Wal-Mart battery looks VERY attractive.


Marshall
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'87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 
159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi

Re: [MBZ] Clunk in drivetrain, help

[Peter Frederick]

Flex disk, maybe both of them (front is usually the one that goes bad 
first).  Also check play on pinion (the spider carrier wears out 
sometimes, although that is usually only obvious when stopped and 
switching from drive to reverse).


Also check tranny mount (will cause vibration under acceleration as 
well) and center carrier rubber.  The latter will allow serious 
driveline vibration all the time, though.


Most likely the front flex disk.

Peter

Re: [MBZ] Re dont let this happen to you

[PONDERSOA]

UNDER THIS SECTION THE LAST REGISTERED OWNER OF RECORD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR  THE
> ABANDONMENT OF ANY VEHICLE AND WILL BE LIABLE FOR ANY COSTS INCURRED  IN
> REMOVING, STORING AND D~SPOSINC OF VEHICLE.
> 
> NOTE:  Failure to redeem an abandoned vehicle constitutes the traffic 
>  infraction of "littering - -abandon vehicle". Penalties for this 
infraction  
> may include, but not be limited to, a $250.00 fine, which cannot be  
reduced 
> (ROW 46.63.110 (2)), suspension of all driving privilages (ROW  46.20.289) 
> and other penalties as may be imposed by a  court.


BZT

That's an ordinance that is going to get burned  on the first appeal.

K



no ...that is exactly what the rule here  is
mike collins 
1985 500 sec 

Re: [MBZ] Not a list of cars for sale

[David Brodbeck]

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:25:20 -0500 OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Strange - I.E. can open them, but Firefox can't.
 
I.E. often ignores the file extension and makes a decision based on the 
content.  I think they modified that behavior a little a while back, 
when some virus started posting EXE files with innocuous looking extensions.

Re: [MBZ] Not a list of cars for sale

[Craig McCluskey]

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:25:20 -0500 OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Strange - I.E. can open them, but Firefox can't.
> 
> On 10/10/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have no clue, they should be jpegs, other peoples have come thru as
> > jpeg.
> >
> > redghost wrote:
> >
> > > Wonder why the links come as either BAT or BIN.  What is the deal
> > > with this Kaleb?

I double-clicked on the first link and saved the file to disk. I then
executed "file HPIM1486.bin" and the result (telling me what kind of file
it is) was,

HPIM1486.bin: JPEG image data, EXIF standard 0.77, 42 x 0


And it is indeed a picture of a Benz diesel.


Craig

[MBZ] Speaking of batteries

[Steve MacSween]

I will shortly be purchasing not one, but TWO for diesels.

Someone remind me what group I need for an OM617? I doubt they list it in
the Wal Mart isle ;-).

Mac 

Re: [MBZ] Re dont let this happen to you

[Kevin]

On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 09:03:44PM -0700, Van Cleve wrote:
> Heres the part that had me a little worried,
> 
> Steve
> They'l never take me alive :-)
> 
> 
> AS A RESULT OF A LAW PASSED BY THE LEGISLATURE EFFECTIVE 06-1 3-02, A NEW 
> SECTION RELATING TO ABANDONED VEHICLES HAS BEEN ADDED TO R.C.W. 46,55.
> 
> UNDER THIS SECTION THE LAST REGISTERED OWNER OF RECORD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
> ABANDONMENT OF ANY VEHICLE AND WILL BE LIABLE FOR ANY COSTS INCURRED IN
> REMOVING, STORING AND D~SPOSINC OF VEHICLE.
> 
> NOTE: Failure to redeem an abandoned vehicle constitutes the traffic 
> infraction of "littering - -abandon vehicle". Penalties for this infraction 
> may include, but not be limited to, a $250.00 fine, which cannot be reduced 
> (ROW 46.63.110 (2)), suspension of all driving privilages (ROW 46.20.289) 
> and other penalties as may be imposed by a court.


BZT

That's an ordinance that is going to get burned on the first appeal.

K

Re: [MBZ] sites that address voltage problems

[David Brodbeck]

Tom Hargrave wrote:

Here's my take on this:


This seller is peddling a solution to a perceived problem.
For the most part, I think that's true.  The exception is when someone 
is using a battery isolator, or very long battery cables (like in some 
VWs.)  Then the Bosch alternator's lack of an external sense wire 
becomes a problem.

Re: [MBZ] Lucent?

[David Brodbeck]

Bob DuPuy wrote:

Then special interest lobbyists get legislation passed that
makes it hard to impossible to build nuclear power plants or
refineries and the public is coned into blaming the evil rich for a
lack of clean affordable energy.
 


After the number of refinery explosions Texas has had in the last few 
years, I don't blame people for not wanting to live next to one.  Maybe 
the industry should clean up its act and its safety record if it wants 
to be viewed positively.  I guess it's cheaper to just buy lax 
regulation with campaign contributions, though.


As for nuclear power, I'm all for it as soon as we have somewhere to put 
the waste.  Although...nuclear power is subsidized to a degree that most 
industries can only dream of.  It's not clear to me that it's at all 
economically viable.  I've heard it argued before that a free market 
would never choose nuclear fission power.  I think "free-market" 
conservatives only support it because they know it ticks off 
environmentalists. ;)

[MBZ] Re dont let this happen to you

[Van Cleve]

Heres the part that had me a little worried,

Steve
   They'l never take me alive :-)


AS A RESULT OF A LAW PASSED BY THE LEGISLATURE EFFECTIVE 06-1 3-02, A NEW 
SECTION RELATING TO ABANDONED VEHICLES HAS BEEN ADDED TO R.C.W. 46,55.


UNDER THIS SECTION THE LAST REGISTERED OWNER OF RECORD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
ABANDONMENT OF ANY VEHICLE AND WILL BE LIABLE FOR ANY COSTS INCURRED IN
REMOVING, STORING AND D~SPOSINC OF VEHICLE.

NOTE: Failure to redeem an abandoned vehicle constitutes the traffic 
infraction of "littering - -abandon vehicle". Penalties for this infraction 
may include, but not be limited to, a $250.00 fine, which cannot be reduced 
(ROW 46.63.110 (2)), suspension of all driving privilages (ROW 46.20.289) 
and other penalties as may be imposed by a court.

Re: [MBZ] Consumers Reports battery ratings

[Marshall Booth]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
what are we  i cant believeth it  i would have thought we  HAD  to 
use only mercedes benz battery's 
 you know some ppl in this group 
collins 



WHY?

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159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi

Re: [MBZ] Consumers Reports battery ratings

[Marshall Booth]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've always been partial to Optima Batteries and so far I have nothing but good things to say about them. If you can take a battery and install it in any position (upside down, sideways) and it works no matter what then its a good battery. Maybe a bit more in price, but it will never leave you stranded and the good part is it protects itself from excessive drain and always provides enough juice to start your car.  


Optimas are WONDERFUL batteries (made by Johnson Controls) and I have 
two of them, but they do cost almost twice what many other conventional 
 Johhson Controls batteries that are suitable. If you plan to keep your 
car longer than 6-7 years, then an Optima might make sense.


Marshall
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159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi

[MBZ] Clunk in drivetrain, help

[Mike Piles]

On my 1985 300SD I have an unidentified "clunk" in the drivetrain. Here's the 
scenario, your driving down the street let's say at 35mph. When you let off the 
accelerator you get the "clunk". Any ideas?

Thanks 

Mike Piles

Re: [MBZ] Consumers Reports battery ratings

[Marshall Booth]

OK Don wrote:

I don't see Interstaes on the list, but it's probably not exhaustive.
So, are all these batteries made the same, or are there differences
between them? Is the cheapest the same internally as the most
expensive of a given size, warranty and CCA?


What I can be absolutely sure of is that they have different stuff 
written on 'em! MOST of the differences between brands other than 
cosmetics involve the service/warranty and how much the seller makes in 
profit. There are at least two different series 49 Interstates and two 
different Johnson Controls batteries sold by Wal-Mart suitable for big 
MB diesels, but from the reports I've gotten, BOTH the lower and higher 
cost batteries have been very reliable.


Marshall
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159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi

Re: [MBZ] Not a list of cars for sale

[redghost]

Just wondering, because BIN is a mac compression sort of like Zip

On Monday, October 10, 2005, at 04:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

I have no clue, they should be jpegs, other peoples have come thru as 
jpeg.


redghost wrote:


Wonder why the links come as either BAT or BIN.  What is the deal with
this Kaleb?

On Monday, October 10, 2005, at 06:52 AM, Donald Snook wrote:



This is not a list of cars for sale, but it does have pics of my car.
Why?  Well I am proud of my car.  Plus, it may go on sale soon.
Thought
I would get list members thoughts about it.

No Kaleb, I will not take $500.

Donald H. Snook
McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn & Herrington, P.A.
300 West Douglas
P.O. Box 207
Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207
Tel. (316) 263-5851
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Re: [MBZ] diesel wagon years...

[ned kleinhenz]

Christopher McCann wrote:
> what was the last model of MB diesel station wagon
> sold in the US and what is the chassis #?
 I'm just being a PITA - but it seems within in the last few years, there
was feature article in the Star about a great new W210 turbo diesel wagon.
Did it ever arrive in the US? Somehow I totally lost contact with MBCA, and
haven't seen a Star magazine in a year or two.
 Ned Kleinhenz
'95 E300D x2
'84 300D
'80 300TD

Re: [MBZ] Consumers Reports battery ratings

[PONDERSOA]

 
what are we  i cant believeth it  i would have thought we  HAD  to 
use only mercedes benz battery's 
 you know some ppl in this group 
collins 
1985 500 sec 

Re: [MBZ] Disable/reset anti-theft w/o master or flat key?

[OK Don]

Remove or unplug the box in teh passenger side foot well (at least on
my '87 300SDL).

On 10/10/05, Raymond Trotta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>


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[MBZ] Disable/reset anti-theft w/o master or flat key?

[Raymond Trotta]

Re: [MBZ] Consumers Reports battery ratings

[mykd1]

 oops, guess I did.. and Optima batteries are completely sealed so they don't 
leak or vent acidic fumes 
is that better ?   :)
 
69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
72 350SL   108,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata   
 
 
-Original Message-
From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:55:40 -0400
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Consumers Reports battery ratings


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> I've always been partial to Optima Batteries and so far I have nothing but 
good
> things to say about them. 

You forgot "doesn't vent acidic fumes that promote corrosion".
Fortunately, the voltage on my old MBzs is lower than some cars,
which reduces battery gassing, but it still makes a difference if
you intend to still have the car when it's 30 years old.

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Re: [MBZ] Consumers Reports battery ratings

[Mitch Haley]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> I've always been partial to Optima Batteries and so far I have nothing but 
> good
> things to say about them. 

You forgot "doesn't vent acidic fumes that promote corrosion".
Fortunately, the voltage on my old MBzs is lower than some cars,
which reduces battery gassing, but it still makes a difference if
you intend to still have the car when it's 30 years old.

Re: [MBZ] Idle is getting scary rough.

[macknox]

On 10 Oct 2005 at 17:01, hue wong wrote:

Hue, 
>
> Check the moter mounts!  This made a HUGE difference
> in my 300td and the synmptoms sound aobu thte same...

Thanks, Hue. I believe they have already been replaced, and I don't 
think they could cancel out the kind of vibes I am getting. 

--

Kaleb, 
>
> check the delivery valves.

Are they located inside the individual pumps inside the injector 
pump assy? So, I would pull 5 five pumps, separate them, inspect 
the valves, and replace any that looked bad? I don't see any 
information in my manual on getting into the pump. I have 
experience doing this on other engines, if it is necessary, but I am 
probably not equipped for it. 

-

Marshall,
> 
> Check the idle actuator and the overvoltage protection relay. 
> Intermittent of either can result in poor idle and perfectly fine 
> operation under load.

So, the actuator is Y22 on the diagram, and the relay is K1/1. I see 
the picture of the relay in the manual, but it doesn't indicate the 
actuator as having a picture. I should be able to follow the BR/BU 
wire to it, though. I don't know what readings to expect normally, but 
I will see what happens when I take a look at it. 

Thank you. 


> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > > About 3 weeks ago, my 91 300D 2.5 turbo started
> > idling rough. It 
> > > came on kind of gradual, so I didn't sweat it. I
> > had an '87 190D 2.5T 
> > > and it idled rough. I figured it was due up at
> > 155k, so I put some 
> > > injectors in it. 
> > > 
> > > Wierdly, the cylinders all seem to be firing
> > better, but the idle is 
> > > getting worse. I can feel that the injectors made
> > a difference, but 
> > > they did not seem to affect the problem much at
> > all. It seems to be 
> > > getting worse, though that might just be the
> > temperature dropping. 
> > > 
> > > What else should I be looking at?
> > > 
> > > Under any load at all, the car runs like a champ.
> > It just hates to idle. 
> > > The idle is rough enough to make my CD player
> > skip, though. 
> > > 
> > > Thanks for any tips. 
> > > 
> > > Kevin
> > > 
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Re: [MBZ] Not a list of cars for sale

[OK Don]

Love it!  Does everything work? What price range are you thinking of?
I'll beat Kaleb's offer at least!

On 10/10/05, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is not a list of cars for sale, but it does have pics of my car.
> Why?  Well I am proud of my car.  Plus, it may go on sale soon.  Thought
> I would get list members thoughts about it.
>
> No Kaleb, I will not take $500.
>
> Donald H. Snook
> McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn & Herrington, P.A.
> 300 West Douglas
> P.O. Box 207
> Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207
> Tel. (316) 263-5851

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Re: [MBZ] Consumers Reports battery ratings

[mykd1]

I've always been partial to Optima Batteries and so far I have nothing but good 
things to say about them. If you can take a battery and install it in any 
position (upside down, sideways) and it works no matter what then its a good 
battery. Maybe a bit more in price, but it will never leave you stranded and 
the good part is it protects itself from excessive drain and always provides 
enough juice to start your car.  
 
69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
72 350SL   108,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata   
 
 
-Original Message-
From: J.B. Hebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Harry Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:13:29 -0400
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Consumers Reports battery ratings


I've run EverStarts in everything from lawn tractors to 2 Mercedes 
diesels with 0 problems.  Several batteries have been severely 
abused, being run completely dead numerous times, and they've always 
bounced back after a good charge.  For the price, you can't go 
wrong.  Seat of the pants told me they were good batteries; it's nice 
to know that scientific tests back that up, as well.

J.B.

At 09:02 PM 10/9/2005, you wrote:

>November 2005 issue reports that the Wal Mart EverStart beats the Diehard.
>
>Only six of 39 batteries tested met their CCA claims and four of those were
>EverStart.
>
>I didn't know about batteies having a date code so you can pick out a fresh
>one.  They state that most batteries have them.
>
>Interesting read.
>
>Harry Watkins
>Newton, MS
>86 SDL Silver
>85 300D Euro
>86 SDL Gold
>81 240D manual trans
>
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Re: [MBZ] Not a list of cars for sale

[OK Don]

Strange - I.E. can open them, but Firefox can't.

On 10/10/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have no clue, they should be jpegs, other peoples have come thru as jpeg.
>
> redghost wrote:
>
> > Wonder why the links come as either BAT or BIN.  What is the deal with
> > this Kaleb?
> >
> > On Monday, October 10, 2005, at 06:52 AM, Donald Snook wrote:
> >
> >
> >>This is not a list of cars for sale, but it does have pics of my car.
> >>Why?  Well I am proud of my car.  Plus, it may go on sale soon.
> >>Thought
> >>I would get list members thoughts about it.
> >>
> >>No Kaleb, I will not take $500.
> >>
> >>Donald H. Snook
> >>McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn & Herrington, P.A.
> >>300 West Douglas
> >>P.O. Box 207
> >>Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207
> >>Tel. (316) 263-5851
> >>This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client
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> >>___
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> >
> >
> > --
> > Clay
> > Seattle Bioburner
> >
> > 1972 220D - Gump
> > 1995 E300D - Cleo
> > 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
> > The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
> >
> >
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> >
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> --
> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>   89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE,
>   85 300D,  83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
>   76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
> Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
>
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OK D

[MBZ] Disable/reset anti-theft w/o master or flat key?

[Raymond Trotta]

[MBZ] Dont let this happen to you

[Van Cleve]

From: Van Cleve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [MBZ] Dont let this happen to you
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:56:39 -0700
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" he would mail it to me when he found it."  OOPS  LOL  he didnt mail the 
car :-) I shoulda said the "Certificate or Ownership"




I have always been pretty careful about squaring away the paper work when 
buying or selling a car.  I bought a 5 speed 240D once and took the car 
with a promise from the owner, he would mail it to me when he found it.  (I 
was taking that car home one way or the other, damn the torpedos) He mailed 
it and all was well...WHEWOther than that I dont take too many chances


Anyway I just got a letter that a van my wife used to own (2 yrs ago) 
...NO" DOES  OWN" according to the letter from the towing co in a town 
several miles away.(coulda been in Bumfuk Egypt)  The letter went on to say 
that OUR VANs been in storage for 1&1/2 mos at $32+ :'( a day plus the tow 
bill :'( :'( .  So I look through my files for the receipt from the Wa dept 
of licensing that I ALWAYS go on line to get after selling a car, 
the  "report of sale". The car had been abandoned and I am responsible :-( 
for it Long story short, turns out I had gone on line and filed the 
notice of sale which I did find my copy of, later berried in my shop.
i was reminded to do a better job with paper work,  Sorta like when the 
jack slips and you realize you coulda been squished.  I felt like I was 
about to get "roasted" :-)I know there are far worse horror stories but 
this got my attention.  And turned out OK


Regards   Steve Van Cleve
Marrowstone Isl Wa

"85" Euro 240D 5 spd 110K
"79" 240D 5spd  fresh tranny transplan
"82" Euro 300 TD non turbo, project wagon
"94" Dodge, 2500, 5 spd, 5.9 Cummins, 95K

Re: [MBZ] gifts - info

[Chuck Landenberger]

Don,

Doesn't matter.  Rotors and pads for your car will match regardless  
of manufacturer/label..


Just order your choice (hard/soft - cheap/expensive) of pads for your  
'77 240D  IIRC, even calipers not play a role in choice of  
pads or rotors if the calipers are vehicle specific.


Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix, AZ

On Oct 10, 2005, at 5:29 PM, LT Don wrote:

Someone on here sent me a pair of front brake rotors about a year  
ago. I
think it was Dave. Are those Bendix or ATE? Time for new pads and  
don't want

to pull the wheels to check before calling Rusty.

Don
 
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Folks

We attempted to hook up some trailer lights today. I assume I need to 
use a 6 wire to 4 wire convertor box (single filament tail to dual 
filament or whatever it is, which we were using.


Anyway we were clipping into some snap over wire connectors that some 
previous owner had installed. These were on a loom on the left rear 
spare tire cavity next to the power antenna. We were checking our work 
using an led testor.


It's all mixed up.

So  do any of you have the translation of which german wire goes to 
which red yellow brown green etc of the trailer connectors.


email me personally too if you can [EMAIL PROTECTED]


thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

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Re: [MBZ] sold cars not being registered

[BillR]

Anyway I just got a letter that a van my wife used to own (2 yrs ago) 
...NO" DOES  OWN" according to the letter from the towing co in a town 
several miles away

Regards   Steve Van Cleve
Marrowstone Isl Wa

Steve - Not just a West Coast happening.  Our old Honda traded in at a
dealer has caused us to be billed for towing, and named as 'at fault' in two
accidents thus far.  Letters from company lawyers and insurance companies
planning to sue us.  I just refer them to the dealer, but if I ever do sell
one privately I will take every precaution.
BillR
Jacksonville FL
904-737-2855
300SD   EM  265K / 200K engine [I hope this one will run]

[MBZ] gifts - info

[LT Don]

Someone on here sent me a pair of front brake rotors about a year ago. I
think it was Dave. Are those Bendix or ATE? Time for new pads and don't want
to pull the wheels to check before calling Rusty.

Don


--
1977 240D
1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle

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Re: [MBZ] Idle is getting scary rough.

[Marshall Booth]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
About 3 weeks ago, my 91 300D 2.5 turbo started idling rough. It 
came on kind of gradual, so I didn't sweat it. I had an '87 190D 2.5T 
and it idled rough. I figured it was due up at 155k, so I put some 
injectors in it. 

Wierdly, the cylinders all seem to be firing better, but the idle is 
getting worse. I can feel that the injectors made a difference, but 
they did not seem to affect the problem much at all. It seems to be 
getting worse, though that might just be the temperature dropping. 


What else should I be looking at?

Under any load at all, the car runs like a champ. It just hates to idle. 
The idle is rough enough to make my CD player skip, though. 


Check the idle actuator and the overvoltage protection relay. 
Intermittent of either can result in poor idle and perfectly fine 
operation under load.


Marshall
--
  Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions)
  "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 
159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi

Re: [MBZ] sites that address voltage problems

[Dennis Perkins]

I guess I should have stated the subject name better.  I'm not advocating 
any of these sites myself, but I also realize that technology has improved 
over the years.  For example the Optima style battery was not available when 
my car came out.  I now have one because I feel it's has some advantages 
over a wet cell.  It's technical specs rate it at being able to accept 
between 13.3 to 15 volts with no amperage limit.  By the way if you look at 
the bottom of his site he does now sell an internally adjustable regulator.


Dennis Perkins
84 300SD

Dennis -
I have read through this site before. As I recall this fellow only deals
with external, fender well mounted, regulators. I have had an ongoing
problem with my SD where I felt that the alternator voltage might be too
low. I installed a new Transpo adjustable regulator and adjusted the voltage
output to about 14.2VDC. It turns out that the higher voltage didn't help my
problem but now I know that low output voltage is not a contributing
problem. BTW, the Transpo regulator was cheap, I think less than $20.

Barry

Re: [MBZ] Idle is getting scary rough.

[hue wong]

Check the moter mounts!  This made a HUGE difference
in my 300td and the synmptoms sound aobu thte same...


--- "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> check the delivery valves.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > About 3 weeks ago, my 91 300D 2.5 turbo started
> idling rough. It 
> > came on kind of gradual, so I didn't sweat it. I
> had an '87 190D 2.5T 
> > and it idled rough. I figured it was due up at
> 155k, so I put some 
> > injectors in it. 
> > 
> > Wierdly, the cylinders all seem to be firing
> better, but the idle is 
> > getting worse. I can feel that the injectors made
> a difference, but 
> > they did not seem to affect the problem much at
> all. It seems to be 
> > getting worse, though that might just be the
> temperature dropping. 
> > 
> > What else should I be looking at?
> > 
> > Under any load at all, the car runs like a champ.
> It just hates to idle. 
> > The idle is rough enough to make my CD player
> skip, though. 
> > 
> > Thanks for any tips. 
> > 
> > Kevin
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>   89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE,
>   85 300D,  83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
>   76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
> Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
> 
> ___
> For new parts see official list sponsor:
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> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
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