Re: [MBZ] W126 Steering box worn out?

[Marshall Booth]

Mitch Haley wrote:

Trampas wrote:

I kind of doubt that a 120k mile car would have every had the need to have
steering box messed with. 


Didn't somebody (Marshall???) once say that the coupler between the column
and the box was far more likely to be the source of excess play?


YES HE DID, but the box CAN wear if abused!

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Re: [MBZ] W126 Steering box worn out?

[Mitch Haley]

Trampas wrote:
> 
> I kind of doubt that a 120k mile car would have every had the need to have
> steering box messed with. 

Didn't somebody (Marshall???) once say that the coupler between the column
and the box was far more likely to be the source of excess play?

Re: [MBZ] W126 Steering box worn out?

[Trampas]

Marshall, 

The one that pops is not from over tightening it just is noisy, and has been
that way for 100k miles. It sounds like the center detent is worn an causes
a pop as the it passes. 

I kind of doubt that a 120k mile car would have every had the need to have
steering box messed with. From what I could tell the car had an alignment
before as the tie rods had piler marks. However the tie rod ends were not
worn out, and the car drove great. The guide rod bushings were worn out,
which happens at about 120k. I find that tie rod ends last till about 150k,
thus I went ahead and replaced tie rod ends. 

I will get more information tomorrow. If the mechanic's answer does not make
sense I will pay him to put it on lift and show me what "play" he is
referring to. 

Trampas

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] W126 Steering box worn out?

Trampas wrote:
> Marshall, thanks for the information. 
> 
> I have several W126 parts cars but most with over 200k miles, thus used
> steering box is not a problem. I just have a hard time believing that 120k
> mile car, which I know has not been aligned in last 25k miles, could have
a
> bad steering box. 

All it takes is for one guy to tighten it up just a little too much and 
it can self destruct in 20-30kmi!

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Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

[Peter Frederick]

It gets hot a steamy here, but probably 1 degrees cooler than Dallas.  
You will probably be short of cooling in idling or slow traffic unless 
you get a larger condenser, I don't know of any way around that.  Mine 
work fine -- I've never been comfortable in any car idling it traffic 
with the AC on anyway, so I don't notice it much.


Once you get moving I cannot tell the difference.  I would suggest 
replacing the condenser if it has a lot of miles on it, they collect 
crud internally over the years that reduces cooling.


You must also have the system completely dry -- 134a makes hydrofluoric 
acid in the presence of water and heat.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

[Peter Frederick]

The green ones are a different material, just what I don't know.  The 
older black 0-rings don't last well in PAG or PEG compressor oil, 
although they will last nearly forever in mineral oil.  All McParts 
stores have them, and I'm sure Rusty does.  He will have the correct 
ones, makes it easier to get the correct ones in place -- the "kits" at 
McParts have dozens of sizes, and never enough of just the one you need 
-- there are at least six different ones I've found so far!


Peter

Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

[Peter Frederick]

It's not the flamability that is the problem, they all ignite about the 
way, but a slowly evaporating liquid and a substance that is a gas a 
atmospheric temperature and pressure are very different in explosion 
hazard.  Halogenated hydrocarbons (all Freons, and anthing else with at 
least one chlorine or fluorine or bromine atom added) are NOT flammable 
under normal conditions, although most of them can be induced to burn.


They don't explode as dilute mixtures in air, and that is the cogent 
point here, not flammability.


Propane powered vehicles do NOT have high pressure propane in the tank, 
it's cool to cold and liquid at fairly low pressure.  An AC system on a 
hot day will have hot gas (250F or so, maybe higher) in the condenser, 
it doesn't become a liquid until it's cooled.  All propane tanks have 
anti-venting valves, so that tearing the regulator off (or uscrewing it 
with the tank valve open) will cause the tank to seal off.  The fuel 
lines up to the engine have about the same pressure as the one to the 
burner valves on a gas grill.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] W126 Steering box worn out?

[Marshall Booth]

Trampas wrote:
Marshall, thanks for the information. 


I have several W126 parts cars but most with over 200k miles, thus used
steering box is not a problem. I just have a hard time believing that 120k
mile car, which I know has not been aligned in last 25k miles, could have a
bad steering box. 


All it takes is for one guy to tighten it up just a little too much and 
it can self destruct in 20-30kmi!


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Steering box worn out?

[Marshall Booth]

Trampas wrote:

Jim, thanks for the reply. I personally have several W126 which have over
220k miles and no problems. I have only ever seen one that was worn out and
it is on my 300k+ mile 300SD and it just has a pop when you rock steering
wheel, which it has done for last 100k miles. 


A "pop" in the center is what happens when  the box is overtightened! 
When overtightened, wear skyrockets!




I am also concerned as that when I mentioned that there was an adjustment on
the steering box the guy told me "That just tightens play in steering
wheel." Thus I am wondering where this play is that he is referring to. I
figured the lower bearing for the pitman arm could be bad, but figured it
would leak long before it had excessive play. 


Can't comment without seeing the box, but if it's worn (and it sounds 
like it is) GET a good used replacement!


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Re: [MBZ] Insurance rates and cheap living (was How Much Can I Tow...Really)

[John Berryman]

On Jun 13, 2006, at 1:51 PM, archer wrote:

Thanks for the invitation.  I'll definitely come by if I get up  
that way on

the trip.

Gerry


	Feel free to come and inspect our mountains in the Adirondack Region  
of NY, if the wind blows you that far off course. the Adirondack Park  
is comprised of 6,000,000 acres of public and private lands.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] W126 Steering box worn out?

[Trampas]

Marshall, thanks for the information. 

I have several W126 parts cars but most with over 200k miles, thus used
steering box is not a problem. I just have a hard time believing that 120k
mile car, which I know has not been aligned in last 25k miles, could have a
bad steering box. 

Trampas

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] W126 Steering box worn out?

Trampas wrote:
> Just got a call from the alignment shop, they said that my steering box on
> the 120k mile W126 was worn out and has a lot of play in it. I had never
> heard of one wearing out, I have resealed several leaking ones. Has anyone
> ever had a steering box wear out? 

You start by adjusting it (the adjustment requires that the screw be 
turned COUNTERCLOCKWISE to tighten it - just the reverse of most boxes - 
many mechanics turn them "clockwise" and when they don't tighten up 
condemn them) so there is only 10-15 mm play at the steering wheel (more 
than that and the box will wear rapidly). Max allowed play (measured at 
the steering wheel is 25 mm (about 1 inch).

If the box IS adjusted too tightly, it will wear rapidly, but most boxes 
last the life of the car and few require replacement UNLESS people 
adjust them incorrectly. The full adjustment procedure is complex and 
few shops have the tools to preform it, but it's seldom ever required 
unless people PLAY with it. Used boxes represent a very good value as 
they are abundant. Recyclers have them in abundance as they seldom wear 
out and are not in high demand. Used ones can often be had for $75-$100. 
Rebuilt ones ($250-500) are NOT usually a good value and offer little 
more than good used ones. New ones are OUT of the question ().

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Steering box worn out?

[Trampas]

Jim, thanks for the reply. I personally have several W126 which have over
220k miles and no problems. I have only ever seen one that was worn out and
it is on my 300k+ mile 300SD and it just has a pop when you rock steering
wheel, which it has done for last 100k miles. 

I am also concerned as that when I mentioned that there was an adjustment on
the steering box the guy told me "That just tightens play in steering
wheel." Thus I am wondering where this play is that he is referring to. I
figured the lower bearing for the pitman arm could be bad, but figured it
would leak long before it had excessive play. 

I will find out more when I pick it up tomorrow. 

Trampas

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] W126 Steering box worn out?

> Just got a call from the alignment shop, they said that my steering 
> box on
> the 120k mile W126 was worn out and has a lot of play in it. I had 
> never
> heard of one wearing out, I have resealed several leaking ones. Has 
> anyone
> ever had a steering box wear out?

I suppose they can, but that's awfully low mileage for such a failure.
I'm told that if the box is adjusted too far 'tight' it accelerates
wear such that it does indeed wear out very quickly.  But whole lots
of steering boxes go 2-3x that distance, and most of the replacements
I've heard of were to try to cure leaks, not wear.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] W126 Steering box worn out?

[Marshall Booth]

Trampas wrote:

Just got a call from the alignment shop, they said that my steering box on
the 120k mile W126 was worn out and has a lot of play in it. I had never
heard of one wearing out, I have resealed several leaking ones. Has anyone
ever had a steering box wear out? 


You start by adjusting it (the adjustment requires that the screw be 
turned COUNTERCLOCKWISE to tighten it - just the reverse of most boxes - 
many mechanics turn them "clockwise" and when they don't tighten up 
condemn them) so there is only 10-15 mm play at the steering wheel (more 
than that and the box will wear rapidly). Max allowed play (measured at 
the steering wheel is 25 mm (about 1 inch).


If the box IS adjusted too tightly, it will wear rapidly, but most boxes 
last the life of the car and few require replacement UNLESS people 
adjust them incorrectly. The full adjustment procedure is complex and 
few shops have the tools to preform it, but it's seldom ever required 
unless people PLAY with it. Used boxes represent a very good value as 
they are abundant. Recyclers have them in abundance as they seldom wear 
out and are not in high demand. Used ones can often be had for $75-$100. 
Rebuilt ones ($250-500) are NOT usually a good value and offer little 
more than good used ones. New ones are OUT of the question ().


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Steering box worn out?

[Jim Cathey]

Just got a call from the alignment shop, they said that my steering 
box on
the 120k mile W126 was worn out and has a lot of play in it. I had 
never
heard of one wearing out, I have resealed several leaking ones. Has 
anyone

ever had a steering box wear out?


I suppose they can, but that's awfully low mileage for such a failure.
I'm told that if the box is adjusted too far 'tight' it accelerates
wear such that it does indeed wear out very quickly.  But whole lots
of steering boxes go 2-3x that distance, and most of the replacements
I've heard of were to try to cure leaks, not wear.

-- Jim

[MBZ] W126 Steering box worn out?

[Trampas]

Just got a call from the alignment shop, they said that my steering box on
the 120k mile W126 was worn out and has a lot of play in it. I had never
heard of one wearing out, I have resealed several leaking ones. Has anyone
ever had a steering box wear out? 

Trampas

Re: [MBZ] 240D wheel question..

[Marshall Booth]

Jim Cathey wrote:

124 bolts work with the 15" alloy wheels used on '85+ 201s, BUT NOT on
the 14" alloy wheels used on 1984 201s! Pretty sure they use the same
bolts used with 14" Bundt Cake alloys.


Interesting.  Our mobile 201 is '86 and has the same appearance for
its wheels as every other '86/87 car we have.  The parts 201 is an
'84, but it came with no wheels.  (And only three places to put 'em!
That's where the crane comes in right handy.)


It's the wheels (not the car) that dictate which bolts to use on the 
'84. When I put later wheels on my '84s I had to use later bolts (40 mm 
threaded shank). I have 14" '84 wheels on my '85 now and MUST use '84 
bolts (29.5 mm) or the longer bolts will tear up the emergency brake 
shoes - if they turn at all!


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Re: [MBZ] 240D wheel question..

[Jim Cathey]

124 bolts work with the 15" alloy wheels used on '85+ 201s, BUT NOT on
the 14" alloy wheels used on 1984 201s! Pretty sure they use the same
bolts used with 14" Bundt Cake alloys.


Interesting.  Our mobile 201 is '86 and has the same appearance for
its wheels as every other '86/87 car we have.  The parts 201 is an
'84, but it came with no wheels.  (And only three places to put 'em!
That's where the crane comes in right handy.)

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Oh God Another Oil Thread

[Rick Knoble]

Thank you Marshall. Just what I needed to know
Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT
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Rick Knoble wrote:
Okay, we all know the mystic qualities of M1 5w40 oil. Is Rotella T 
Synthetic (Blue Jug) 5w40 as good? Seems quite a few Goldwing owners 
recommend it.


Lots of people LOVE it. It's cheap! It's also hydrocracked group III
oil, far inferior to the group IV/V that Mobil and Amsoil sell. It's
superior to the group II oils like Delo 400. It isn't nearly as good as
M-1/D-1 for cold weather starting and it will NOT last nearly as long,
but it lubricates pretty well.

DOESN'T meet any of the Mercedes standard sheet specs!! Maybe Shell
didn't submit it for testing, BUT their conventional group I Rotella and
their synthetic Helix oils were submitted and approved for various 
service!


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Purist whining?

[George Gregory]

WODGER IS WRIGHT

http://kempautomuseum.org/



On 6/13/06 3:07 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> <> you
>> just guessing it's a POS?  Who cares if it's not the real deal?  No one
>> would actually drive  a real one would they?  At least not alot.  I'd drive
>> that all the time and not even care about how many miles.  Looks like a load
>> of fun to me. BUT, alas I am just a poor hick that doesn't know jack about
>> an SSK.>>
>> 
> I object to fiberglass copies of important and valuable cars being presented
> as "replicas" when they are not. I HAVE seen these Gazelle replicas and aside
> from four wheels, there isn't much resemblance. And putting the MB Star
> upfront is insulting.
> 
> Maybe you could google Mercedes SSK and learn something.
> 
> RLE

Re: [MBZ] Purist whining?

[Desert Rat]

In the spirit of the D-C merger:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z4001224D

On 6/13/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> < you
> just guessing it's a POS? Who cares if it's not the real deal? No one
> would actually drive a real one would they? At least not alot. I'd drive
> that all the time and not even care about how many miles. Looks like a load
> of fun to me. BUT, alas I am just a poor hick that doesn't know jack about
> an SSK.>>
>
I object to fiberglass copies of important and valuable cars being presented
as "replicas" when they are not. I HAVE seen these Gazelle replicas and aside
from four wheels, there isn't much resemblance. And putting the MB Star
upfront is insulting.

Maybe you could google Mercedes SSK and learn something.

RLE


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Re: [MBZ] Purist whining?

[RELNGSON]

> < you
> just guessing it's a POS?  Who cares if it's not the real deal?  No one
> would actually drive  a real one would they?  At least not alot.  I'd drive
> that all the time and not even care about how many miles.  Looks like a load
> of fun to me. BUT, alas I am just a poor hick that doesn't know jack about
> an SSK.>>
> 
I object to fiberglass copies of important and valuable cars being presented 
as "replicas" when they are not. I HAVE seen these Gazelle replicas and aside 
from four wheels, there isn't much resemblance. And putting the MB Star 
upfront is insulting.

Maybe you could google Mercedes SSK and learn something.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] 240D wheel question..

[Marshall Booth]

Jim Cathey wrote:

Any chance the wheel bolts from my W124 alloys would work?


No.  I tried to use 124 bolts on my 115 once, no dice.  The 124
bolts do go on the 201 just fine though.


124 bolts work with the 15" alloy wheels used on '85+ 201s, BUT NOT on 
the 14" alloy wheels used on 1984 201s! Pretty sure they use the same 
bolts used with 14" Bundt Cake alloys.


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Re: [MBZ] 2007 Grand Cherokee with MB Diesel

[Curt Raymond]

Can you buy a new diesel anything in NY right now? Can't in MA. Hopefully with 
the coming of new fuel that'll change.
  I'm disappointed they're taking out the diesel Liberty but apparently its a 
dog anyway. I'm not real excited with the Liberty as a woods truck, my Dad has 
had his stuck so often he doesn't put the jack away anymore. This is a guy who 
drove cars for years and years. Before he bought the Liberty he had a Chevy 
Tracker and we only had that stuck on a couple occasions when going through 
places we had no excuse for being in. The Liberty got stuck on the camp road.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:26:42 -0400
From: "Dave Wakin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [MBZ] 2007 Grand Cherokee with MB Diesel
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I ran into a friend of mine last night who owns a Chrysler dealership, 
so I asked about the new Diesel Grand Cherokee some of you mentioned - 
Turns out it will not be available in NY (where I live), CA, and a few 
other states he said. Apparently it will not meet emission standards.

He also speculated that the only reason Chrysler is making them is to 
get their average gas mileage of vehicles over the magic number, and 
therefore they will probably never try to make it pass the above states 
emissions testing.

Sucks for me up here in NY -  Probably a nice ride for those who can 
get one.

Dave Wakin


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Donald Snook wrote:
> Does anyone know what the wheel offset is on my wheels? I have a 1990
> 300SEL with the standard 15 hole wheels.  (I know I can take one of my
> wheels off and look at it that way, But I was hoping someone knew what
> the offset was without removing the wheel).  
> 
>  
> 
> Can I put 16 inch 8 hole wheels with an offset of 51 on my car? 

NO! Proper offset for you car is in the 21-25 mm range (depending on 
precisely which wheel is on you car). A wheel with a 51 mm offset would 
be for a 124/201 car.

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Re: [MBZ] Oh God Another Oil Thread

[Marshall Booth]

Rick Knoble wrote:

So how many of these Goldwing owners are driving diesels?


The kicker with bikes is the wet clutch. Using oils with friction modifiers 
(I.E. molybdenum bi-sulfite?) is the possibility of damage to the clutch 
pack. M1 15w-50 didn't used to have it, and neither does Rotella T 5w-40 
Synthetic. I don't think M1 5w-40 has it either, but I am not certain.


MOST group III oils do used viscosity improvers!

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Re: [MBZ] Oh God Another Oil Thread

[Marshall Booth]

Rick Knoble wrote:
Okay, we all know the mystic qualities of M1 5w40 oil. Is Rotella T Synthetic (Blue Jug) 5w40 as good? Seems quite a few Goldwing owners recommend it. 


Lots of people LOVE it. It's cheap! It's also hydrocracked group III 
oil, far inferior to the group IV/V that Mobil and Amsoil sell. It's 
superior to the group II oils like Delo 400. It isn't nearly as good as 
M-1/D-1 for cold weather starting and it will NOT last nearly as long, 
but it lubricates pretty well.


DOESN'T meet any of the Mercedes standard sheet specs!! Maybe Shell 
didn't submit it for testing, BUT their conventional group I Rotella and 
their synthetic Helix oils were submitted and approved for various service!


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] How Much Can I Tow...Really

[Marshall Booth]

Bob Rentfro wrote:

My in-laws just sold their house in Illinois. It now appears there is some 
stuff that SWMBO believes we have to have (it's more like she doesn't want her 
brother's wife to get any of it). I need to get it from IL to AZ. A small 
U-haul truck is $1560 one way for goodness sake.   SOjust how much weight 
can I reasonably tow with my 300D? I would get the correct hitch installed, of 
course.


750 kg (1650 lb) unbraked and 1500 kg (3300 lb) braked is permitted for 
a 123 300D.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] 240D wheel question..

[Jim Cathey]

Any chance the wheel bolts from my W124 alloys would work?


No.  I tried to use 124 bolts on my 115 once, no dice.  The 124
bolts do go on the 201 just fine though.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

[Jim Cathey]

 Are 'green' ones backward compatible to R12?


I believe so.


Where else in the system are they used?


There are rings at all the joints in the system, anywhere it's
not a flare fitting.  (For example there were zero O-rings in
my York-based 114 system, except for the two odd seals in the
compressor fittings themselves.  Everything else was a flare
fitting in that car.)

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

[Jim Cathey]

I once drove home from Chicago with a couple pair of tanks in
the passenger compartment with me (never in the trunk). If I'd
smelled anything like almonds, I would have pulled over...


Almonds?  Acetylene has a sharp acetone-y smell.  It's delivered
dissolved in acetone inside the tank.  Now that is some flammable
stuff.  It can explode on its own at low pressures, like 20 psi
(or some such ridiculous value) with no oxidant present, when
one of the two carbon bonds lets go.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] SDL using more front shocks than oil.

[Marshall Booth]

Harry Watkins wrote:

What could cause the front shocks to fail so often?

Here is the history as I know it:

I bought the car in Dec 2003, the PO had the front and rear shocks replaced in 
March 1999, Pd $120 for the front plus $98 labor, I don't know the brand.  The 
rears were $132 plus $98 labor.

When one of the front shocks failed in April 2005 I R&R both.

Then, in October 2005, the left front failed and was replaced (6 months old), 
it was bouncy and wet.

On Friday I ordered two new front shocks to replace the two that have just 
failed.  My wife said she thought the front bumper was going the hit the road 
as it bounced down the interstate.

When I push down near the star with both hands, I get a measured 5 inch drop.  
When I stop pushing I get 4 or 5 more bounces.

I tried the same push on the other SDL, the 240D and the TD and probably got 
less than an inch and no bounce.

The left front is wet and the right appears dry but is very soft and makes a 
rubbing noise.

Anyone out there BTDT.  Anyone with a clue, I can't see a way to install them 
wrong but I could be wrong.


Bilstein shocks installed to replace the original ones, have a lifetime 
warranty (for the part - not the labor) if sold/installed by an 
authorized supplier. You MAY need the paperwork to get them replaced. 
Most Bilstein shocks last 150-200kmi in my cars. They seldom last longer 
than 100kmi in BIG models.


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Re: [MBZ] Insurance rates and cheap living (was How Much Can ITow...Really)

[archer]

ROFL!!! I thought one of the reasons we drive MBs is because MBs "like" 
those kinds of roads.

Gerry

- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Insurance rates and cheap living (was How Much Can 
ITow...Really)




I don't recommend driving on US-250 for any length of time unless you (1)
like very slow speeds and (2) like steep hills and (3) like sharp curves 
...

and are immune to motion sickness.

Don
Fairmont WV native

On 6/13/06, archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




I looked up Cameron on the map.  Population 1400 (this is an old map),
US-250, 18 miles from the river; it looks like you would take 250 to the
river road route 2 to I-70 and I-79 into Pittsburgh.  All the advantages
of
country living with easy access to a major city.  I drove around
W.Virginia
years ago before there were interstate highways, but remember little 
about

it.  In general, I like mountains but have never lived in a real
mountainous
area.  Grew up in the Southern Indiana Uplands, which could barely be
called
hills.

Thanks for the invitation.  I'll definitely come by if I get up that way
on
the trip.

Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] OM636 Pre chambers

[Marshall Booth]

Peter Merle wrote:

How far are the OM636 prechambers supposed to protrude from the cylinder hard 
surface. I cannot find a spec for this in the manual.
PEter


What seems to be important is that there is clearance between the 
prechamber and the head (dimension "c" illustrated in figure 01-1/9). I 
don't believe there is a dimension for protrusion for the OM636 engine 
(it's 5.7 mm for the OM621) perhaps because there were at least 5 
different prechamber configurations available over the years.


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Re: [MBZ] We never get anything!

[Jeff Zedic]

I think so...I don't really pay much attention US cars.

This one would be ok as it has the E320 CDI engine not that guzzling 
American junk.



Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD

Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

[Mitch Haley]

George Larribeau wrote:
> And that goes triple for any kind of acetylene gas, very serious stuff


The gas dealers always have come pictures on the wall of cars which had leaky 
acetylene
tanks in the trunk, most impressive. A garbage bag full of the stuff can take a 
the
windows out of a few houses. I once drove home from Chicago with a couple pair 
of
tanks in the passenger compartment with me (never in the trunk). If I'd smelled
anything like almonds, I would have pulled over, left the door open, and run 
like
heck.

Re: [MBZ] Kenmore auction

[Mitch Haley]

Mike Canfield wrote:
> 
> AWWW  Quit yer purist whining.  Do you actually "know" this car or are you
> just guessing it's a POS?  Who cares if it's not the real deal?

4 cyl sure sounds like the Pinto based replicar from the 1970's, I think
it was made by Fiberfab. IIRC it was halfway decent as kit cars go, the
person putting it together has a fair bit of control over the final quality.

Re: [MBZ] We never get anything!

[George Larribeau]

Here's an article from the Times of  London's Sunday driving page:


The Brit papers can be fun to read, being that English in the only foreign 
language I can read .Series 8 episode 1 on Top Gear had a blurb on the "JCB 
Dieselmax" a streamliner heading for a LSR run at Bonneville.


www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=115549


Now Jeremy Clarkson can easily be perceived as a bit of a spoiled brat, 
however his take on his ownership experience with his Ford GT is a bit 
amusing.


http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12529-1677058,00.html



George Larribeau
Dallas, Texas

Re: [MBZ] Insurance rates and cheap living (was How Much Can ITow...Really)

[Mitch Haley]

WV sounds good to me. 
I'm a Farm Bureau member in MI, pay about 15% more than I should, it's
now $255 for one car with airbag and ABS discounts every six months, plus
$50 per year for membership, so I'm paying about $560 a year for
basic no-fault liability on one car, primary commuting vehicle, 
less than 10k mi per year. Somebody with a perfect record would be
closer to $500 per year for one car. 
The Michigan insurance system includes a Catastrophic Claims fund for
injuries over $1 million, and the premiums for that have been going up lately.

Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] Wheel offset

[Steve MacSween]

WOW. Must be some suspension setup on the w140s.

There is a guy by the name of Alvaro Gil who operates Gil Racing in NJ,
anyway look him up if you want those wheels on a w126. He sells
spacers/adaptors for Mercedes, also to  use FWD Volvo wheels on RWD Volvos.

But he ain't cheep. You'll pay for your play.

Mac

on 6/13/06 2:41 PM, Desert Rat at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 51 offset is the proper W140 wheel size from the factory.
> 
> On 6/13/06, Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Noo.
>> 
>> 51 offset? Sounds like it came off a FWD car.
>> 
>> Mac
>> 
>> on 6/13/06 9:20 AM, Donald Snook at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>>> Does anyone know what the wheel offset is on my wheels? I have a 1990
>>> 300SEL with the standard 15 hole wheels.  (I know I can take one of my
>>> wheels off and look at it that way, But I was hoping someone knew what
>>> the offset was without removing the wheel).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Can I put 16 inch 8 hole wheels with an offset of 51 on my car?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Donald H. Snook
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Wheel offset

[Desert Rat]

51 offset is the proper W140 wheel size from the factory.

On 6/13/06, Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Noo.

51 offset? Sounds like it came off a FWD car.

Mac

on 6/13/06 9:20 AM, Donald Snook at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Does anyone know what the wheel offset is on my wheels? I have a 1990
> 300SEL with the standard 15 hole wheels.  (I know I can take one of my
> wheels off and look at it that way, But I was hoping someone knew what
> the offset was without removing the wheel).
>
>
>
> Can I put 16 inch 8 hole wheels with an offset of 51 on my car?
>
>
>
> Donald H. Snook
>
>
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[MBZ] 2007 Grand Cherokee with MB Diesel

[Dave Wakin]

I ran into a friend of mine last night who owns a Chrysler dealership, so I 
asked about the new Diesel Grand Cherokee some of you mentioned - Turns out it 
will not be available in NY (where I live), CA, and a few other states he said. 
Apparently it will not meet emission standards.

He also speculated that the only reason Chrysler is making them is to get their 
average gas mileage of vehicles over the magic number, and therefore they will 
probably never try to make it pass the above states emissions testing.

Sucks for me up here in NY -  Probably a nice ride for those who can get one.

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redghost wrote:
>
> 1929 MERCEDES BENZ SSK replica 4 cyl, auto, convertible
>

Somebody advertised one of those locally a couple of weeks ago.
90% complete, needed wiring and fuel tank. Rebuilt 2.8L, I assume
it was the German Capri motor. Asked $1500, marked sold the 2nd
day the ad ran. I shudder to think what the project cost the guy
over the last 30 years, and he never got to drive it. I thought about
buying it and sticking a real MBZ motor in it.

Re: [MBZ] Insurance rates and cheap living (was How Much Can I Tow...Really)

[LT Don]

I don't recommend driving on US-250 for any length of time unless you (1)
like very slow speeds and (2) like steep hills and (3) like sharp curves ...
and are immune to motion sickness.

Don
Fairmont WV native

On 6/13/06, archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




I looked up Cameron on the map.  Population 1400 (this is an old map),
US-250, 18 miles from the river; it looks like you would take 250 to the
river road route 2 to I-70 and I-79 into Pittsburgh.  All the advantages
of
country living with easy access to a major city.  I drove around
W.Virginia
years ago before there were interstate highways, but remember little about
it.  In general, I like mountains but have never lived in a real
mountainous
area.  Grew up in the Southern Indiana Uplands, which could barely be
called
hills.

Thanks for the invitation.  I'll definitely come by if I get up that way
on
the trip.

Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] Electronic AC servo on sale.

[Rusty Cullens]

No. Unwired.

-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Electronic AC servo on sale.

The one John engineered?

On 6/12/06, Rusty Cullens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Rusty sells the kits.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 10:11 PM
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Electronic AC servo on sale.
>
> What happened to the list member's engineering school project to make
> one of these using readily available parts?  Perhaps Rusty could
> sell the kits?
>
> On 6/10/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > is that the kit to replace the servo?  If so, Rusty is getting beat.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

[George Larribeau]

The ones formulated to also tolerate R134A are usually
green.  (I don't know that they'd have to be.)  R134A
(or its oil) attacks the black rubber ones that were
good for R12 systems.

-- Jim



Are 'green' ones backward compatible to R12?



Rusty site has 2 kinds of o-rings (with pix) Online catalogue 1985 - 
00SD  - Climate Control - A/C O-Ring




First - A/C O-Ring - A/C Compressor - Used together with R-4 or A-6 Type A/C 
Compressors. (Normal round cross-section looking o-Ring)




Second - A/C O-Ring - For Non-Stepped Ports - GM radial R-4 version (Flat 
looking rubber washer seal thing)




Where else in the system are they used ?



George Larribeau
Dallas, Texas

1985 300SD 190K

Re: [MBZ] Insurance rates and cheap living (was How Much Can I Tow...Really)

[archer]

At 03:47 AM 6/13/2006, Gerry Archer wrote:

Does anyone know which state and which insurance company have the cheapest
auto insurance rates?  Just got my insurance bill from Allstate for two 
old
MBs here in Florida:  $840 for the minimum insurance required by the 
state;

no comprehensive, etc. included; and that's with one driver for two cars.



Dave wrote:
 Just as a data point, here in West Virginia my liability insurance
for an 83 300SD is $159.51 for six months of
$500,000/$500,000/$100,000.  Which is much more than the state
requires.  State Farm with two drivers in their sixties, no accidents,
multicar discount.  We live on a farm.


That sounds interesting, Dave.  My '83 300D with minimum liability/property 
damage should be even less.


G: Anyone who does not have a job in Florida can have out-of-state tags 
and

insurance, so it's possible to establish residence in any other state and
still live here.  (I'm thinking about living in another state in the 
summer

anyway.)


 You may want to check out WV.  That is if you like hills and
trees.  Lots of old people here, low crime, cheap real estate, low taxes,
and good hunting.  And in my case, two hours from urbane delights in
Pittsburgh.  Come see us.  It is hard to find my place - you will need
directions.  Email me if you are planning on coming this way.

 Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV

 How pleasant is the day when we give up striving to be young.


I looked up Cameron on the map.  Population 1400 (this is an old map), 
US-250, 18 miles from the river; it looks like you would take 250 to the 
river road route 2 to I-70 and I-79 into Pittsburgh.  All the advantages of 
country living with easy access to a major city.  I drove around W.Virginia 
years ago before there were interstate highways, but remember little about 
it.  In general, I like mountains but have never lived in a real mountainous 
area.  Grew up in the Southern Indiana Uplands, which could barely be called 
hills.


Thanks for the invitation.  I'll definitely come by if I get up that way on 
the trip.


Gerry

Re: [MBZ] Wheel offset

[Steve MacSween]

Noo.

51 offset? Sounds like it came off a FWD car.

Mac

on 6/13/06 9:20 AM, Donald Snook at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Does anyone know what the wheel offset is on my wheels? I have a 1990
> 300SEL with the standard 15 hole wheels.  (I know I can take one of my
> wheels off and look at it that way, But I was hoping someone knew what
> the offset was without removing the wheel).
> 
> 
> 
> Can I put 16 inch 8 hole wheels with an offset of 51 on my car?
> 
> 
> 
> Donald H. Snook
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Wheel offset

[Desert Rat]

Don,
I have been told that the W140 takes a special wheel (different hub
fitting plus the larger offset) than the W126. I wasn't able to put
W126 wheels on my W140 and would suspect the opposite is true as well,
but I don't know that for sure.

Be aware that the W126 never had the 8 hole option from the factory,
only bundts and flatface types but I think Tirerack has developed a
relica 8 hole wheel.

On 6/13/06, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

OK Don wrote:



"Looks like 21.5 to 25 mm depending on wheel width. FYI - all the wheels
on the 300D 2.5  I bought from you were after market, not just those
with the snow tires. I would not be afraid to buy some nice 8 hole
wheels from TireRack."



I agree, Tire Rack wheels are probably fine.  But, Jim (from Phoenix)
has some nice 8 hole wheels that are 16 X 7.5 with some nice Michelins
on them.  If I buy four new wheels from Tire Rack that will be $400. If
I buy his they will be $350 and I get some good tires.  ($350 is what he
has them on ebay for - maybe I can offer him Kaleb pricing).  The only
problem is I think the offset is going to be too much.  His wheels are
+51 offset.  So, I think that is too much difference. But, I am not
sure.





Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL

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Re: [MBZ] We never get anything!

[David Brodbeck]

Jeff Zedic wrote:
> Here's an article from the Times of  London's Sunday driving page:
>
> I'd almost consider one of these for a work car.almost
>
> http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12929-2218596,00.html
>   

Isn't that basically the same thing as a Dodge Magnum?

Re: [MBZ] 240D wheel question..

[Kevin J. Slater]

Any chance the wheel bolts from my W124 alloys would work?

...Kevin

Jim Cathey said:
>> This car has the wheels with the painted hubcaps (so cool looking)
>> which I assume means steel wheels?
>
> Yes.
>
>> does the W123 have the same issue with different length wheel
>> bolts like the W124's do?
>
> Yes.  If you have an alloy spare you'll need a set of compatible
> longer bolts to go with it.
>
> -- Jim
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Wheel offset

[Donald Snook]

OK Don wrote: 

 

"Looks like 21.5 to 25 mm depending on wheel width. FYI - all the wheels
on the 300D 2.5  I bought from you were after market, not just those
with the snow tires. I would not be afraid to buy some nice 8 hole
wheels from TireRack."

 

I agree, Tire Rack wheels are probably fine.  But, Jim (from Phoenix)
has some nice 8 hole wheels that are 16 X 7.5 with some nice Michelins
on them.  If I buy four new wheels from Tire Rack that will be $400. If
I buy his they will be $350 and I get some good tires.  ($350 is what he
has them on ebay for - maybe I can offer him Kaleb pricing).  The only
problem is I think the offset is going to be too much.  His wheels are
+51 offset.  So, I think that is too much difference. But, I am not
sure. 

 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 

[MBZ] We never get anything!

[Jeff Zedic]

Here's an article from the Times of  London's Sunday driving page:

I'd almost consider one of these for a work car.almost

http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12929-2218596,00.html


Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD

[MBZ] Wheel offset

[Donald Snook]

How much difference in offset will affect the performance of my 126.  Is
there a general rule.  Are spacers a bad idea?  

 

I am considering getting some 16 X 7.5 wheels/tires for my car (1990
300SEL).  I have the standard 15 hole wheels on it now. 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL

Re: [MBZ] Instrument Cluster 85 300SD (Again) Sorry

[Jim Cathey]

...I don't understand exactly what holds it in (instrument cluster).


Friction.  (Some old cars [108?] have a knurled retaining doohickey,
but everything from the 114 up through the 201 (my personal experience),
and probably newer, is just a friction fit.  The hooks just grab the 
back

of the cluster.  If you can reach behind it from below you can push it
out that way.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 240D wheel question..

[Jim Cathey]

This car has the wheels with the painted hubcaps (so cool looking)
which I assume means steel wheels?


Yes.


does the W123 have the same issue with different length wheel
bolts like the W124's do?


Yes.  If you have an alloy spare you'll need a set of compatible
longer bolts to go with it.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

[Jim Cathey]

What is the difference between green and black o-rings.


The ones formulated to also tolerate R134A are usually
green.  (I don't know that they'd have to be.)  R134A
(or its oil) attacks the black rubber ones that were
good for R12 systems.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 240D wheel question..

[Potter, Tom E]

I have a Mercedes steel wheel. I think it is from a '74 230. Do you have
a part number for the one you need? If it will work, you can have it for
$10 plus shipping. Let me know. I am in Houston, TX.

Tom Potter
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Subject: [MBZ] 240D wheel question..

One of the items I need to take care of before I attempt to retrieve the
'79 240D I've been looking at is a spare tire. There wasn't one in the
trunk. This car has the wheels with the painted hubcaps (so cool
looking)
which I assume means steel wheels? I have a bundt cake wheel from my RIP
82 300D, does the W123 have the same issue with different length wheel
bolts like the W124's do?

...Kevin
87 300TD 284k mi


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Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

[George Larribeau]

Most undercooling problems are a result of overcharging -- R134a is
lighter than R12, only put in 80 to 85% of the weight -- otherwise you
get high suction side pressures and low cooling.

Peter



Peter, has R134 worked for you? Is the evaporator big enough?  How hot is it 
where you live. Here in Dallas 100F+ ambient temperature is nothing.


George Larribeau
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1985 300SD 190K

Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

[George Larribeau]

replace all the 0-rings with new green ones when changing a system
over.


What is the difference between green and black o-rings. Does Rusty have 
them?




George Larribeau
Dallas, Texas

[MBZ] 240D wheel question..

[Kevin J. Slater]

One of the items I need to take care of before I attempt to retrieve the
'79 240D I've been looking at is a spare tire. There wasn't one in the
trunk. This car has the wheels with the painted hubcaps (so cool looking)
which I assume means steel wheels? I have a bundt cake wheel from my RIP
82 300D, does the W123 have the same issue with different length wheel
bolts like the W124's do?

...Kevin
87 300TD 284k mi

[MBZ] 126 alignment

[M.Afzaal Khan]

For alignment the front wheels need to be  kept  apart with a bar set at 
100 NM  . and only then the toe- in is  set correctly .

This is the suspension under running conditon stress.
few shops would do that
mak










. This way I will not have to worry about the

front end for another 50-60k miles, until it needs ball joints. Most shops
would never hear of doing this as that parts were not all bad yet.

I have project cars I enjoy working on, and then I have the daily drivers
which I hate to work on. Thus I want the daily drivers all fixed and not
constantly in need of repair.

Trampas

"Cars become worn out when you do not fix the parts that are worn out."

"It has over 300k miles on it, thus it has to be a good car otherwise it
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Have you tried Chapel Hill Tire on Franklin Street in Chapel Hill?

Neal

Trampas wrote:


Well I use an impact on my tires all the time

The W126 requires some special alignment machine, or so I have been told.
The problem is I only know of one indy in the area that does alignments 
and
you could not pay me to take my car to them. Thus I was hoping someone 
knew

of another shop.

Trampas

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Tires:

Probably any place other than the dealership which actually uses a torque
wrench.

Alignment:

I'm thinking dealer or an indy alignment shop that REALLY knows MBZ.

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[MBZ] Instrument Cluster 85 300SD (Again) Sorry

[George Larribeau]

I am trying to learn how to remove the instrument cluster, The PDF-s have 
custom hooks and the answer from this list on that was to fabricate some hooks 
out of coat hangers. I have seen some DIY FAQ on the web with some pictures 
..however I don't understand exactly what holds it in (instrument cluster). I 
am afraid that if I don't use the hooks properly (exact location of 
penetration?) that I will break something. Some kind of clip, or something that 
the hooks push out of the way. Do not know exactly where to force in the hooks. 
 Could some one hold my hand on this one and explain it a bit more?

George Larribeau
Dallas, Texas

1985 300SD 190K
1987 HD FLHTC 86K
1984 Motoguzzi Cal -2 80K
1972 Motoguzzi Ambassador LOTS
1965 Chevy C-10 pick up truck lots of miles 3rd small block ..(Extra
Ugly,but runs)


1993 BMW 323i  115K (Wife's Car)
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> -- do a web search, not funny.  You should NEVER carry propane tanks in
> a closed car!.

And that goes triple for any kind of acetylene gas, very serious stuff

George Larribeau
Dallas Texas

Re: [MBZ] SDL using more front shocks than oil.

[LarryT]

Howdy Harry -
The Bilstein website says about its shocks (except for a few models) -
GENERAL WARRANTY DETAILS
ThyssenKrupp Bilstein of America warrants its gas pressure shock absorbers 
against defects in workmanship and materials for as long as you, the 
original purchaser, own your car -


Take a look at 
http://www.bilstein.com/warranty.php?PHPSESSID=275d353b6a52807ade9b7b60afae3387


Their website has a lot of info about warranty claims - they sell a 
excellent shock BTW - I've had good luck with all the Bilsteins I've 
bought -


Good luck -

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)

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And if you buy them from someone like Rusty, they have a lifetime

guarantee.


Craig


I hope you're right about that but from what Gary (at Rusty's) told me on
the phone today was they were good for failures under a year.  For the one
that failed after 14 months, I have to try Bilstein.

Does anyone know how I go about dealing with Bilstein, Gary didn't and
advised that I check around.  So I'm checking around with you listers. :>)

Harry



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[MBZ] 87 wagon

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

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Re: [MBZ] _my_ 190D update

[Jim Cathey]

That makes sense, they're what about 1/4" long? I could make 
something


Yeah, about that.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

[jwreames]

What I don't get is why R-290 is so bad when gassers have been converted to 
LPG... and where CNG is still used in vehicles?

How does the flammability of these substances compare to the flammability of 
gasoline?

-j.

[MBZ] Smart coming to the US?

[LT Don]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/06/07/pluggedin_fortune/index.html

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Re: [MBZ] How Much Can I Tow...Really

[Luther Gulseth]

www.upack.com  run by ABF.  They bring a small trailer to your house, you 
pack the trailer (that's clever) and they bring a truck and deliver the 
trailer to your new house.  I know several people in the quotation's 
department there

Luther

Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 07:10:16PM -0700, Bob Rentfro wrote:
> > My in-laws just sold their house in Illinois. It now appears there is 
some 
> > stuff that SWMBO believes we have to have (it's more like she doesn't 
want 
> > her brother's wife to get any of it). I need to get it from IL to AZ. A 
> > small U-haul truck is $1560 one way for goodness sake.   SOjust how 
> > much weight can I reasonably tow with my 300D? I would get the correct 
> > hitch installed, of course.
> 
> You'll find that as liability and lawsuits have gotten more out of control,
> more and more places are going to be less likely to rent you a trailer if
> you tell them you are going to pull it behind a 300D.
> 
> For a cheap[er] way to go, some LTL (less than truckload) shippers will 
> drop a box at your house for you to pack, then send that box via freight.
> Might be cheaper than driving on top of the price of a u-haul.
> 
> If you have cash to burn, you could pick up a not too old box van (or even
> cargo van if not a lot of stuff), then sell it when you're done moving.
> 
> K



-- 
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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (160kmi)
'82 300D  (74kmi needs block or engine)

Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

[Scott Ritchey]

These "super bombs" use a liquid fuel, not propane:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/dumb/fae.htm

"The US Armed Forces use propane tanks as "super bombs"  a small charge
to dipserse the gas and an igniter charge to set it off.  Turns all the
people for a couple hundred yards into scattered body part."




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Re: [MBZ] Insurance rates and cheap living (was How Much Can I Tow...Really)

[Kris Gilmore]

At 03:47 AM 6/13/2006, Gerry Archer wrote:

Does anyone know which state and which insurance company have the cheapest
auto insurance rates?  Just got my insurance bill from Allstate for two old
MBs here in Florida:  $840 for the minimum insurance required by the state;
no comprehensive, etc. included; and that's with one driver for two cars.


 Just as a data point, here in West Virginia my liability insurance 
for an 83 300SD is $159.51 for six months of 
$500,000/$500,000/$100,000.  Which is much more than the state 
requires.  State Farm with two drivers in their sixties, no accidents, 
multicar discount.  We live on a farm.




Anyone who does not have a job in Florida can have out-of-state tags and
insurance, so it's possible to establish residence in any other state and
still live here.  (I'm thinking about living in another state in the summer
anyway.)


 You may want to check out WV.  That is if you like hills and 
trees.  Lots of old people here, low crime, cheap real estate, low taxes, 
and good hunting.  And in my case, two hours from urbane delights in 
Pittsburgh.  Come see us.  It is hard to find my place - you will need 
directions.  Email me if you are planning on coming this way.


 Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV

 How pleasant is the day when we give up striving to be young.


  

Re: [MBZ] Wheel offset

[OK Don]

Looks like 21.5 to 25 mm depending on wheel width. FYI - all the
wheels on the 300D 2.5  I bought from you were after market, not just
those with the snow tires. I would not be afraid to buy some nice 8
hole wheels from TireRack.

On 6/13/06, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Look at the spare.  IIRC, it's around 25mm, but I could be way off.

On 6/13/06, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone know what the wheel offset is on my wheels? I have a 1990
> 300SEL with the standard 15 hole wheels.  (I know I can take one of my
> wheels off and look at it that way, But I was hoping someone knew what
> the offset was without removing the wheel).
>
>
>
> Can I put 16 inch 8 hole wheels with an offset of 51 on my car?
>
>
>
> Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Wheel offset

[OK Don]

Look at the spare.  IIRC, it's around 25mm, but I could be way off.

On 6/13/06, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Does anyone know what the wheel offset is on my wheels? I have a 1990
300SEL with the standard 15 hole wheels.  (I know I can take one of my
wheels off and look at it that way, But I was hoping someone knew what
the offset was without removing the wheel).



Can I put 16 inch 8 hole wheels with an offset of 51 on my car?



Donald H. Snook



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Re: [MBZ] _my_ 190D update

[Curt Raymond]

That makes sense, they're what about 1/4" long? I could make something
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:02:45 -0700
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> Pictures, pictures, pictures! Mine won't stay down in the front,
> there's no clips present that I can tell.

The clips are little twig-like forked things that are barely held on
at the front, it's a very weak design.  I found them in the guts of
the car when I took it apart, and it took some sleuthing in order
to figure out where they went.

See http://cathey.dogear.com/mb190d.html, at the end of the log
there is a link to the photograph of the glued-on bits.

-- Jim


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Does anyone know what the wheel offset is on my wheels? I have a 1990
300SEL with the standard 15 hole wheels.  (I know I can take one of my
wheels off and look at it that way, But I was hoping someone knew what
the offset was without removing the wheel). =20

=20

Can I put 16 inch 8 hole wheels with an offset of 51 on my car?=20

=20

Donald H. Snook

=20

Re: [MBZ] Kenmore auction

[Mike Canfield]

AWWW  Quit yer purist whining.  Do you actually "know" this car or are you 
just guessing it's a POS?  Who cares if it's not the real deal?  No one 
would actually drive  a real one would they?  At least not alot.  I'd drive 
that all the time and not even care about how many miles.  Looks like a load 
of fun to me. BUT, alas I am just a poor hick that doesn't know jack about 
an SSK.


Mike


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<,1929 MERCEDES BENZ SSK replica 4 cyl, auto, convertible>>

Any person who represents this POS as an SSK replica should be taken out 
back

and shot.

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] Wheel Paint

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Craig,
Yes-the natives here never call them clams. Used differently in common
talk and in the seafood stores, where it is a category of size of
clams-the biggest size.

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co.


I finally looked it up:

http://seagrant.gso.uri.edu/factsheets/fsquahog.html


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] How Much Can I Tow...Really

[archer]

Does anyone know which state and which insurance company have the cheapest 
auto insurance rates?  Just got my insurance bill from Allstate for two old 
MBs here in Florida:  $840 for the minimum insurance required by the state; 
no comprehensive, etc. included; and that's with one driver for two cars.


Anyone who does not have a job in Florida can have out-of-state tags and 
insurance, so it's possible to establish residence in any other state and 
still live here.  (I'm thinking about living in another state in the summer 
anyway.)


Homeowners insurance has gone up, which is understandable because of the 
hurricanes, but that kind of auto insurance bill for little besides 
liability seems high.


It's about the same as the bill for homeowners insurance on the house 
($853).


Also, if anyone is familiar with the insurance/licenscing costs in various 
states for motorhomes, that info would be appreciated too since motorhome 
living is an option.


Thanks,
Gerry Archer
'83 300D and 240D

Re: [MBZ] upcoming auction

[John Berryman]

On Jun 12, 2006, at 10:30 PM, redghost wrote:


1997 JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE LAREDO 4x4, V8, auto, p/s, p/b, a/c, cruise,
tilt, p/wdw, p/seat, p/lock  Johnny B wanted this?


No, I have this. Want compact Toyota 4x4 pick-up 4cyl 5spd prefered.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] SDL using more front shocks than oil.

[Harry Watkins]

And if you buy them from someone like Rusty, they have a lifetime
> guarantee.
>
>
> Craig

I hope you're right about that but from what Gary (at Rusty's) told me on
the phone today was they were good for failures under a year.  For the one
that failed after 14 months, I have to try Bilstein.

Does anyone know how I go about dealing with Bilstein, Gary didn't and
advised that I check around.  So I'm checking around with you listers. :>)

Harry

Re: [MBZ] Oh for cryin out loud.

[David Brodbeck]

Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:
> Craig,
> Been there done that.
> Either put the cap on the pump so you can go back and get it-or in the
> clip that the 123's and 124's have on the fuel flap-I assume that the
> 201's have it too.. I also carry an extra cap in the trunk for such
> 'events' as this.
>   

On the W123, at least, it can also serve as a spare oil cap, should you
misplace that.  I thought they looked awfully similar, so I tried
swapping them once, and they fit.  The only difference, as far as I can
tell, is the oil cap has 'OEL' stamped on it.

Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

[David Brodbeck]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> Well the hydrocarbons are legal in about every other country
>   

I suppose they're lucky their cars haven't been going off like roman
candles.

Re: [MBZ] Kenmore auction

[RELNGSON]

<,1929 MERCEDES BENZ SSK replica 4 cyl, auto, convertible>>

Any person who represents this POS as an SSK replica should be taken out back 
and shot.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] How Much Can I Tow...Really

[Kevin]

On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 07:10:16PM -0700, Bob Rentfro wrote:
> My in-laws just sold their house in Illinois. It now appears there is some 
> stuff that SWMBO believes we have to have (it's more like she doesn't want 
> her brother's wife to get any of it). I need to get it from IL to AZ. A 
> small U-haul truck is $1560 one way for goodness sake.   SOjust how 
> much weight can I reasonably tow with my 300D? I would get the correct 
> hitch installed, of course.

You'll find that as liability and lawsuits have gotten more out of control,
more and more places are going to be less likely to rent you a trailer if
you tell them you are going to pull it behind a 300D.

For a cheap[er] way to go, some LTL (less than truckload) shippers will 
drop a box at your house for you to pack, then send that box via freight.
Might be cheaper than driving on top of the price of a u-haul.

If you have cash to burn, you could pick up a not too old box van (or even
cargo van if not a lot of stuff), then sell it when you're done moving.

K

Re: [MBZ] nylon runner/guide in w126 rear window regulator: available?

[Steve MacSween]

Thanks!

Mac

on 6/12/06 3:36 PM, Rusty Cullens at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> MB # 126 720 01 42
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve MacSween
> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 1:05 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: [MBZ] nylon runner/guide in w126 rear window regulator:
> available?
> 
> On my w126 300sd it looks like someone forced the window down at some
> point,
> and broke the nylon guide, that runs along the horizontal track and that
> holds the end of the regulator arm. The arm pops out of the guide when
> you
> lower the window.
> 
> Anyone know if this little animal can be had from the dealer by itself?
> It
> looks like it's a replace-able part that snaps together.
> 
> It's a 45-minute drive to the dealer for me, and trying to explain it
> over
> the phone to them will be useless unless we are both looking at the
> parts
> diagram at the time... so I'd like to check here first.
> 
> TKS

Re: [MBZ] SDL using more front shocks than oil.

[Craig McCluskey]

On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:04:56 -0400 John Berryman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> On Jun 12, 2006, at 4:34 PM, Harry Watkins wrote:
> 
> > Anyone out there BTDT.  Anyone with a clue, I can't see a way to  
> > install them wrong but I could be wrong.
> >
> > Help!!!
> >
> > Harry Watkins
> 
>   Some require that you install the rubber snubbers on the upper
>   shaft  
> of the shock. What brand are you using?  always replace with  
> Bilsteins and they live a long service life, like forever.

And if you buy them from someone like Rusty, they have a lifetime
guarantee.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: looking for an automatic transmission replacement for my '81 TD]

[Jim Cathey]

transmission (actually, it appears it's the hydraulic pump that feeds
the torque converter) is leaking profusely (and slipping a bit also as 
I

suppose one would expect)... anyone got a transmission (or,
maybe even just a known good pump) to spare?


The usual leaking thing is the big O-ring pump seal, assuming you do
mean the pump seal and not the front shaft seal.  That's a service
part, a few dollars is all it should be.  I don't remember what I
paid for the only one I've ever bought, some six years ago.  (I
bought both seals, and they're cheap parts as parts go.)

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Wheel Paint

[Craig McCluskey]

> > Dwight Giles, Jr
> > 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
> > 1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles
> > Wickford, RI
> > Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co.

I finally looked it up:

http://seagrant.gso.uri.edu/factsheets/fsquahog.html


Craig

Re: [MBZ] Nice 380SL in Memphis for $2900 needs engine

[Luther Gulseth]

It's still a pretty car.

On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:35:58 -0500, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Wrong year - Luther!

On 6/12/06, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



DROOOLL



Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> http://www.smithimports.com/605210.htm






--
Luther   KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (236 kmi)
'82 300CD (160 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work

[MBZ] More useless info dept.

[RELNGSON]

When my C320 was at the dealer ten days ago for replacement of the hvac panel 
due to a sticky button, I had forgotten to verify with the tech that DOT4+ 
brake fluid was what is now used by MB.I needed to know because when I replaced 
the brake pads last month I did not replace the fluid that I had bled from the 
calipers when pushing the pistons back. So when I stopped by last week to ask 
him, he asked why I wanted to know. When I told him, he went to his cabinet 
and pulled out two liters of MB branded DOT4+, saying that should be enough. No 
charge.

Well, it was. What I needed was about five tablespoons of it.

Turns out the MB brake fluid is manufactured by CCI Manufacturing in 
Illinois, a Japanese owned corporation which has been making brake fluid since 
1949 in 
Hiroshima. Known as Chuo Chemical Industries in those days. 

RLE

Re: [MBZ] How Much Can I Tow...Really

[Mitch Haley]

Bob Rentfro wrote:
>  SOjust how much weight can I reasonably tow with my 300D? I would get 
> the correct
> hitch installed, of course.

1500kg with brakes, 750kg w/o is the factory rating for a lot of MBz models, I 
believe
that includes 123s. Good luck finding a hitch rated over 1500lb or so.

[MBZ] [Fwd: RE: Project 240D in Oregon]

[Striplin Admin account]

 Original Message 
Subject: RE: [MBZ] Project 240D in Oregon
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:04:32 -0400
From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Jim,
Some friendly advice  on what I know you have made into a good car.
State the positives first-not the negatives. Then add the qualifiers.
And do a lot more hype-in the car business the first goal is get them to
bite-then tell that later on in the ad. By then they are excited. For
example, put mileage at the end. Get the bio freaks excited, or the MB
diesel freaks going about how good it runs.  Don't mention cold start
unless asked. I am not trying to be sleazy-just  strategic. If you want,
I can get my car dealer and 240D owner brother to help with your ad.
(Would you buy a used MB from this guy, Dwight.)

Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles
Wickford, RI
Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:11 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Project 240D in Oregon


Drum roll please.

For sale, 1979 240D.  302kmi, auxiliary fuel tank.  Perfect
for biodiesel operation, has 1000 mile range.

Not perfect, but looks pretty good.  Rust-free.  Reluctant cold-starter,
but has started every time for me so far. Very clean inside, you can
date with this car and not be ashamed.

$2500  See http://cathey.dogear.com/mb240dsale.html for pictures and
more information.

OK, I don't expect you guys to buy it, I'm planning to list it on nearby
Craigs lists to start, especially in Seattle.  But I'd appreciate
feedback on the web site, etc.

I'm planning to redo the pictures if I can get a nice overcast day while
it's still clean.  The hazy sun resulted in pictures that are much more
washed-out looking than the car deserves.  Also need to get an engine
compartment shot, I seem to have forgotten that one.

-- Jim


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[MBZ] [Fwd: RE: M1 ATF Change - Was - DieselPurge]

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 Original Message 
Subject: RE: [MBZ] M1 ATF Change  - Was - DieselPurge
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:48:29 -0400
From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Larry,
I experienced this on my 240D-as much as I could tell with the noise on
that car. . About to do it on my 300D 2.5t like yours. Your story-even
if imagined- is encouraging.
Dwight

Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles
Wickford, RI
Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co.


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 ATF Change - Was - DieselPurge


Jim wrote (about Diesel Purge) - "<< It was definitely more quiet
after>>>

Speaking of becoming quieter, I changed the ATF and filter early this
week
(on the '91 300D) and could swear the car is quieter!

While I expect this when changing from fossil to synthetic engine oil,
the
change in sound level from fossil ATF to M1 ATF was unexpected.

Has anyone else experienced this (with the ATF change) or is it my
imagination/wishful thinking?

Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
A Blood Test for your oil - www.youroil.net
For Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
Weber Carb Stuff http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
http://members.rennlist.com/my_911/Index.htm For my Paint Job Info
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Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] DieselPurge




In a message dated 4/7/2006 6:22:10 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


And I do  believe that you are to manually manipulate your throttle
linkage
from  medium to fast and a little slow while Purging...it is not  to

be

done
idling the whole time, correct? Shouldn't take more than 15  minutes

to

burn
through that bottle, no?



For maximum cleaning effect, the fuel return line should be routed 
back to the purge container and the fluid recycled until gone.  This 
took me about 45 minutes, mostly at idle.


Watch the level and don't let it run completely dry!  Hard starting  
will ensue.


I set up my video camera to listen to the engine before, during, and
after
the purge.  It was definitely more quiet after!

Regards,

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles
98 ML 320, 141 K  miles

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[MBZ] [Fwd: Re: DIY AC repair in modern times]

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 Original Message 
Subject: Re: DIY AC repair in modern times
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:24:28 -0700
From: Joe Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


From http://www.epa.gov/ozone/snap/refrigerants/hc-12a.html, question

3, last paragraph:

"Note that the Clean Air Act does not regulate the use of any of these
hydrocarbon refrigerants when they are used as replacements for
non-ozone-depleting chemicals such as HFC-134a. However, many states
prohibit using flammable refrigerants in motor vehicles, regardless of
which original refrigerant was used in the vehicle"

In light of the above, does anyone really want to maintain that use of
HC refrigerants in automobile a/c systems is in fact verbotten in the
US of A in all states?  My read is that if one resides in a state in
which it isn't specifically proscribed all that's practically
necessary is to change to 134 service fittings and affix the
appropriate label signifying what's inside.  Surely you don't expect
the EPA regulations to actually make sense, do you?

joe

[MBZ] [Fwd: looking for an automatic transmission replacement for my '81 TD]

[Striplin Admin account]

 Original Message 
Subject: looking for an automatic transmission replacement for my '81 TD
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:24:53 +
From: Chris Granju <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Chris Granju <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I'm selling my '81 300TD & as luck would have it the automatic 
transmission (actually, it appears it's the hydraulic pump that feeds 
the torque converter) is leaking profusely (and slipping a bit also as I 
suppose one would expect).   I'd hoped to simply sell the TD 'as is' and 
may do so...but for either my own sake or the sake of it's next owner, I 
thought I should ask here if anyone has a spare transmission and/or 
parts car that's relatively close to east TN (or if it's the 
transmission, i'm cool w/ shipping).   Someone here offered what sounds 
like a great deal on a manual setup from a 240, but that's not an option 
for me for a variety of reasons.So, anyone got a transmission (or, 
maybe even just a known good pump) to spare?


thanks
Chris
'81 MB300TD


.

Re: [MBZ] Oh God Another Oil Thread

[Rick Knoble]

So how many of these Goldwing owners are driving diesels?


The kicker with bikes is the wet clutch. Using oils with friction modifiers 
(I.E. molybdenum bi-sulfite?) is the possibility of damage to the clutch 
pack. M1 15w-50 didn't used to have it, and neither does Rotella T 5w-40 
Synthetic. I don't think M1 5w-40 has it either, but I am not certain.


Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT 

Re: [MBZ] Nice 380SL in Memphis for $2900 needs engine

[Bob Rentfro]

Someone take Kaleb's temeraturehe expressed interest in a car whose 
price is $2900!


Bob Rentfro


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Nice 380SL in Memphis for $2900 needs engine



hmm, I just happen to have a euro 3.8 motor sitting in my garage.

Donald Snook wrote:


http://www.smithimports.com/605210.htm





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McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn & Herrington, P.A.

300 West Douglas

P.O. Box 207

Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207

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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Oh God Another Oil Thread

[Jeff Zedic]

So how many of these Goldwing owners are driving diesels? Rotella is 
very ordinary oil, as Marshall is wont to say.


Rotella syn is no big deal either. Go with Mobil 1...it's 
recommended by the guys that designed your car! What more should you 
need to know?


(of course I assume you mean to keep the vehicle in its best shape. If 
you're changing oil every 3kmi then use whatever.)


Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD

[MBZ] upcoming auction

[redghost]

1929 MERCEDES BENZ SSK replica 4 cyl, auto, convertible

RECOVERY II mobile refrigerant management station

1997 JEEP CHEROKEE 4x4, 6 cyl, auto, p/s, p/b
1997 JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE LAREDO 4x4, V8, auto, p/s, p/b, a/c, cruise, 
tilt, p/wdw, p/seat, p/lock  Johnny B wanted this?



TRUCKWELD T/A tiltbed trailer
GENERAL log bunk trailer, a/b
18' tri-axle beavertail equipment trailer, ramps, elect brakes

http://www.murphyauctions.net/kenmore06jun.html

Bunch more stuff



--
Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] SDL using more front shocks than oil.

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Are you using bilsteins?

Harry Watkins wrote:


What could cause the front shocks to fail so often?

Here is the history as I know it:

I bought the car in Dec 2003, the PO had the front and rear shocks replaced in 
March 1999, Pd $120 for the front plus $98 labor, I don't know the brand.  The 
rears were $132 plus $98 labor.

When one of the front shocks failed in April 2005 I R&R both.

Then, in October 2005, the left front failed and was replaced (6 months old), 
it was bouncy and wet.

On Friday I ordered two new front shocks to replace the two that have just 
failed.  My wife said she thought the front bumper was going the hit the road 
as it bounced down the interstate.

When I push down near the star with both hands, I get a measured 5 inch drop.  
When I stop pushing I get 4 or 5 more bounces.

I tried the same push on the other SDL, the 240D and the TD and probably got 
less than an inch and no bounce.

The left front is wet and the right appears dry but is very soft and makes a 
rubbing noise.

Anyone out there BTDT.  Anyone with a clue, I can't see a way to install them 
wrong but I could be wrong.

Help!!!

Harry Watkins
Newton, MS
86 SDL Silver
85 300D Euro
86 SDL Gold
81 240D manual trans


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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] OkieQ, 2 weeks away

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

OK, I will get you the info ASAP.  The hotel is going to be days inn, so 
you can do that on the internet, or call them. Internet would be cheaper.


Hans Neureiter wrote:


I plan on being there. Should arrive Saturday early afternoon. Need info on
hotel and directions to the event.


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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Nice 380SL in Memphis for $2900 needs engine

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

hmm, I just happen to have a euro 3.8 motor sitting in my garage.

Donald Snook wrote:


http://www.smithimports.com/605210.htm

 

 


Donald H. Snook

McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn & Herrington, P.A. 


300 West Douglas

P.O. Box 207

Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207

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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
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[MBZ] Oh God Another Oil Thread

[Rick Knoble]

Okay, we all know the mystic qualities of M1 5w40 oil. Is Rotella T Synthetic 
(Blue Jug) 5w40 as good? Seems quite a few Goldwing owners recommend it. 
Rick Knoble 
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT
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I have plenty of them, they come attatched to the regulator.

archer wrote:

> Mine is on an '83 300D Turbo.  Kaleb, do you have a pair for the back
> windows?
> Gerry
>
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  76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] DIY AC repair in modern times

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Well the hydrocarbons are legal in about every other country

David Brodbeck wrote:


Peter Frederick wrote:

The propane is vastly more explosive than the oil -- this is, in fact, 
why hydrocarbon refrigerants are illegal in cars, not because they 
don't work well (very low temp cryo freezers run pentane, I belive, or 
propane, for the low temp part), but because of the explosion hazard.



On the other hand, many people put large quantities of gasoline in their
cars, which forms an explosive mixture even more readily than propane. 
And quite a few people (myself included) have driven around in RVs with

*gallons* of propane on board in exposed, external tanks, often with the
tank valve open and a propane-fired refrigerator running.  I'm sure
there's some risk of explosion, but it's hard for me to see this as a
major issue.

I suspect part of the reason that hydrocarbon refrigerants are illegal
is because the companies that own the patents on the non-hydrocarbon
ones have a certain amount of monetary influence over the regulatory
agencies.  I've always thought it was a little suspicious that R12 was
banned just as the patent was expiring.

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Re: [MBZ] Oh for cryin out loud.

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Craig,
Been there done that.
Either put the cap on the pump so you can go back and get it-or in the
clip that the 123's and 124's have on the fuel flap-I assume that the
201's have it too.. I also carry an extra cap in the trunk for such
'events' as this.
Dwight

Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles
Wickford, RI
Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co.


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To: Diesel List
Subject: [MBZ] Oh for cryin out loud.


After breakfast yesterday morning we stopped at the cheap fuel station
and tanked up the 190D. Going home we hit the highway, I heard a thump
and then started smelling diesel fuel. The gauge wasn't moving
appreciably so I didn't worry about it. We went to the movies, when we
came out there was a wet spot under the car. Looking around I noticed
there was a wet draintube. Thats when I checked and sure enough, no fuel
cap...
   
  So thinking back I put the fuel nozzle back on the pump and fought
with it to get a receipt, then got back in the car and drove off. The
thump was the fuel door closing as we got up to highway speed. The smell
is from the fuel sloshing out. I headed back to the gas station and the
dude had the cap in hand as I approached.
   
  Some days you're the windshield, some days you're the bug, some days
you swat yourself.
   
  -Curt

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