Re: [MBZ] Soy oil
I remember the song. A guy we called Scotch Dave used to always sing that one at the bistro... hm. It usually resulted in his being cut off, but that's another story. I tend to add color and fragrance to the soaps. My favorite is a pine/spruce thing I mix up. I have made a pine tar soap. Several years ago I sent a few bars to an old great aunt thinking she would reminisce. The soap hadn't aged so the bars were still a little soft. Poor old Aunt Gladys thought it was fudge and tried to eat it. --- Wikipedia has 49 references to lye soap and soap in general: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Searchsearch=lye+soapfullt ext=Searchoffset=0limit=20 Lye soaps were popular when I was a kid in the 1930s: In the old days, before the advent of liquid or even powdered detergents, folks kept a bar of laundry soap on hand alongside an old-fashioned grater, and they hand-grated up just the right amount of soap for each load of laundry. Laundry soaps are strong, never hard-milled like complexion soaps. Laundry soaps contain a higher proportion of lye than fine soaps do, which makes them well-suited to getting rid of germs, dirt, and foul odorssnip http://www.luckymojo.com/octagonsoap.html There was even a song written about lye soap: Do you remember Grandma's Lye Soap, Good for everything in the home, And the secret was in the scrubbing, It wouldn't suds, and wouldn't foam...snip http://kids.niehs.nih.gov/lyrics/lyesoap.htm Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] jabba considers adding a second dog
Gary Hurst wrote: i am going to see the dog on friday. everything seems pretty sincere here, but you never know. if i catch the slightest wind of a con, i will waddle away. If you take her home, get a book of names at the library and read it to her. Maybe she will react to one. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] jabba considers adding a second dog
Actually these lists of names are on line-even listed by ethnicity. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 215K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE) 1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles Wickford, RI- If you take her home, get a book of names at the library and read it to her. Maybe she will react to one. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] jabba considers adding a second dog
Gary Hurst wrote: i am going to see the dog on friday. everything seems pretty sincere here, but you never know. if i catch the slightest wind of a con, i will waddle away. If you take her home, get a book of names at the library and read it to her. Maybe she will react to one. Mitch -- Here's a list. http://www.terrificpets.com/dog_names/dog_names_a.asp Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] jabba considers adding a second dog
A couple thoughts for you, Gary, that you may already know: The seller is presenting a sales pitch, which is a bit unusual for someone who is involved in rescue (things like spectacular, and will not be disappointed). You might ask if she works with the local German Shepherd rescue org. Of course you will learn a lot by visiting her property. If it looks like she is breeding them, then she's being dishonest. It may be harder to discern this if all she deals in is German Shepherds. But if she has all sorts of mutts and breeds around, the likelihood of her being a puppy mill or an unadvised backyard breeder is less. I see someone has asserted that they love their white GSD, but there is some controversy over the white variant's steadiness and health. White lovers will be very quick to assure you they are NOT albino (which they obviously are not - eye color, etc. reveals this) but still, the breed was not intended to be white, and it is being promoted as an exotic color, often at the expense of other important qualities. That said, the dog is already bred and needs a home, so if she checks out ok, then fine. I am not a GSD guy, I'm a Dobie guy, and as such my experience is less with GSDs. But don't even get me started on people who intentionally breed white Dobermans! I don't know your experience with dog ownership, but GSDs certainly do need a lot of exercise and personal attention. Some of them are very driven, others more sedate. Most are driven though, and need a job to do, or they will make jobs up - like digging up your garden or chewing your shoes or *barking*! Given sufficient mental and physical stimulation, the breed is usually quite loyal and turns into quite a close companion, and could be trained, for instance, to pick up and bring you things dropped on the floor, or to carry your groceries or light toolboxes for you, etc. etc. Remember this is one of the breeds most likely to bite though. On the other hand, one possessed of a steady temperament will likely be good with kids. I would cringe at the thought of a child running up to one though, which they always do, placing their little faces right in jaws' range. Finally, remember to watch out for excessive shyness, or any physical malady. Not sure how to diagnose bad hips besides grabbing the leg and gently pulling it sideward 'til the dog exhibits pain. If the seller does not want you doing this, that is potentially a bad sign. Oh, and make sure the dog is not deaf - white dogs are more commonly deaf than are non-white dogs - especially when the breed was not intended to be white. Brian On 11/13/07, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: i am going to see the dog on friday. everything seems pretty sincere here, but you never know. if i catch the slightest wind of a con, i will waddle away. If you take her home, get a book of names at the library and read it to her. Maybe she will react to one. Mitch -- Here's a list. http://www.terrificpets.com/dog_names/dog_names_a.asp Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Will 617 and 603 operate at compression of 15 bar
Hi, yes starting hot is not that great. Strange that it doesn ot use oil ( my two 617's used a lot of oil before compression dropped to low levels) and the fact that the pressures are even all round. PEter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 November 2007 02:52 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Will 617 and 603 operate at compression of 15 bar In a message dated 11/12/2007 2:22:28 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did compression test on my 124 and I getting an even 15 bar all round. Had the gauge itself ( without non-return valve ) tested and it actually was slightly overreading ! The question is will these engine start and run well with such a low compression. Oil consumption is close to zero. Peter, I think you have answered your own question, the 603, with 6 cylinders, will start with good reliability, even though it is somewhat below the factory recommendation for overhaul. The 603, with fast acting glow plugs, would put less of a drain on the battery, and good cranking speed can be obtained, a critical factor in good starting. Curiously, I have found that one of the first clues that the MB diesel engine is nearing the overhaul point, is that it won't start at normal operating temperature without glowing. This was true of my 200D (66 with 243,000 miles on the odometer) my 240D (74 @110,000 miles,with bad rings due to the PO loaning it to some guy who drove it up a mountain without water) and my current diesel (79 300SD with 234,000 miles). The 79 had zero compression in one cylinder, the other four were about 240PSI, A broken ring ate the top land of the piston, but it would still start and run to the speed mark in top gear Two batteries in series were used towards the very end. The mileages quoted are when I overhauled the engines. Just my $0.02 Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 152 K miles ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Will 617 and 603 operate at compression of 15 bar
Peter Merle wrote: Hi, yes starting hot is not that great. Strange that it doesn ot use oil ( my two 617's used a lot of oil before compression dropped to low levels) and the fact that the pressures are even all round. Makes me wonder if the gauge has too much air volume between the check valve and the combustion chamber, thereby lowering the compression ratio. Do you have a known good mbz diesel handy to try the gauge on? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] famous dave's bbq (plus a little college football)
Donald Snook wrote: So, will State beat Ole Miss in the Egg Bowl again this year. I don't know what an Egg Bowl is, but I support anything that involves beating Ole Miss. Hotty Toddy, Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] jabba considers adding a second dog
I don't know what they are up to over there, but i doubt it is breeding. Here is her original ad from a few days ago http://atlanta.craigslist.org/pet/472531312.html On Nov 13, 2007 6:52 AM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple thoughts for you, Gary, that you may already know: The seller is presenting a sales pitch, which is a bit unusual for someone who is involved in rescue (things like spectacular, and will not be disappointed). You might ask if she works with the local German Shepherd rescue org. Of course you will learn a lot by visiting her property. If it looks like she is breeding them, then she's being dishonest. It may be harder to discern this if all she deals in is German Shepherds. But if she has all sorts of mutts and breeds around, the likelihood of her being a puppy mill or an unadvised backyard breeder is less. I see someone has asserted that they love their white GSD, but there is some controversy over the white variant's steadiness and health. White lovers will be very quick to assure you they are NOT albino (which they obviously are not - eye color, etc. reveals this) but still, the breed was not intended to be white, and it is being promoted as an exotic color, often at the expense of other important qualities. That said, the dog is already bred and needs a home, so if she checks out ok, then fine. I am not a GSD guy, I'm a Dobie guy, and as such my experience is less with GSDs. But don't even get me started on people who intentionally breed white Dobermans! I don't know your experience with dog ownership, but GSDs certainly do need a lot of exercise and personal attention. Some of them are very driven, others more sedate. Most are driven though, and need a job to do, or they will make jobs up - like digging up your garden or chewing your shoes or *barking*! Given sufficient mental and physical stimulation, the breed is usually quite loyal and turns into quite a close companion, and could be trained, for instance, to pick up and bring you things dropped on the floor, or to carry your groceries or light toolboxes for you, etc. etc. Remember this is one of the breeds most likely to bite though. On the other hand, one possessed of a steady temperament will likely be good with kids. I would cringe at the thought of a child running up to one though, which they always do, placing their little faces right in jaws' range. Finally, remember to watch out for excessive shyness, or any physical malady. Not sure how to diagnose bad hips besides grabbing the leg and gently pulling it sideward 'til the dog exhibits pain. If the seller does not want you doing this, that is potentially a bad sign. Oh, and make sure the dog is not deaf - white dogs are more commonly deaf than are non-white dogs - especially when the breed was not intended to be white. Brian On 11/13/07, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: i am going to see the dog on friday. everything seems pretty sincere here, but you never know. if i catch the slightest wind of a con, i will waddle away. If you take her home, get a book of names at the library and read it to her. Maybe she will react to one. Mitch -- Here's a list. http://www.terrificpets.com/dog_names/dog_names_a.asp Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] jabba considers adding a second dog
Gary Hurst wrote: I don't know what they are up to over there, but i doubt it is breeding. http://atlanta.craigslist.org/pet/472531312.html Sounds like she wanted to do pet rescue work, so she just jumped in and started doing it. When she talks about bail, it makes me wonder if she had to pay county animal control to give her the dogs. (I doubht the humane society would have given them to her without apaying them first) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] jabba considers adding a second dog
Or like here in Huntsville, where the animal control has an active rescue program and she works for animal control. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:27 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] jabba considers adding a second dog Gary Hurst wrote: I don't know what they are up to over there, but i doubt it is breeding. http://atlanta.craigslist.org/pet/472531312.html Sounds like she wanted to do pet rescue work, so she just jumped in and started doing it. When she talks about bail, it makes me wonder if she had to pay county animal control to give her the dogs. (I doubht the humane society would have given them to her without apaying them first) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Soy oil
Now, pine tar is something that I have a surplus of --- I have made a pine tar soap. Several years ago I sent a few bars to an old great aunt thinking she would reminisce. The soap hadn't aged so the bars were still a little soft. Poor old Aunt Gladys thought it was fudge and tried to eat it. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Soy oil
I think you have the idea for a new business here: designer diesel. You would have a ready market in certain circles. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 296k miles - make mine smell like fresh coffee (decaf) -Original Message- From: Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 11/12/07 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy oil Sodium hydroxide (lye same as I use to make soap) and methanol = methoxide. Titrate the oil to get formula. Water in the WVO will react with the lye to saponify into soap rather than to separate glycerine. Product has to be washed anyway to yield a purer biodiesel. (Making soap, I'm mixing water with the lye (sodium hydroxide) to yield just the result I'm hoping will NOT happen when making biodiesel. ) I'm not set up to reclaim the methanol from the glycerine yet. That would cut down on the cost. The methanol evaporates from the glycerine. Glycerine purified would have some value but the cost to do so isn't practical on small scale. It all breaks down on compost pile though.. A note, glycerine is usually removed from commercial soaps as it have other value. Homemade and superfatted soaps retaining the glycerin are superior in cutting grease. I keep my MB mechanic supplied with goat milk shea butter soap. (Considering while he was at it he just happened to find the vac leak in the A/C one of the '85s. Didn't charge!) OK... please don't laugh, Y'all... but rather than driving around with exhaust smelling like fast food I've sometimes wondered what sandalwood or lilac exhaust would... NAW... that'd just be silly. T (on 11/12/07 10:38 PM, OK Don at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, are you using just sodium hydroxide to extract the glycerin from the oil, or does it convert directly to soap? Guess I need to brush up on my chemistry! I've heard that you can use ethanol and potassium hydroxide instead of methanol and sodium hydroxide. I think the cost goes up a bit, but the toxic materials quantity goes way down. Solution? I shared samples of some of my homemade lye soap with management and they suggested I produce it for the mercantile outlets. It's win win. Though the price of diesel has climbed from $2.899 to $3.409 in the past months, a gallon of the WVO yields about 30 bars of soap each netting the cost of a gallon of fuel. Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: What was the last real Mercedes?
Well, not a whole lot of difference, the only thing the 91 had that the 89-90 (last 126 revision) did not was integrated cd changer, and traction control available. Dont think the 90 has the option for traction control, and I know it did have the cd changer option. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: M.Affzaal.Khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:31 PM Subject: [MBZ] Fw: What was the last real Mercedes? Is there quite a difference between the 90 and the very rare 91 model mak Those are VERY nice. I have been on the lookout to find one, just dont see the 91's that often. 1991 560SEL without a doubt. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.15.28/1123 - Release Date: 11/10/2007 3:47 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Soy oil
I had an SDL that luther now has that was blown up by the stuff --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy oil Another snake oil? http://www.dieselsecret.com/ Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VAC LEAKS
I will have to admit that I have never quite understood how all that works. I also don't understand why I can get water from my well that is many times deeper than vacuum should draw it. I still use the water though. If you have time to explain it to a non-scientific mind I'd like to know. It seems to me that a strong vacuum pump should be able to create more suction - though I have always heard there are definite limits. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 296k miles. With a new vacuum pump, bad air-flow actuators, and a new tranny... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig McCluskey Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] VAC LEAKS On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:38:00 -0500 Dr. Bill Ringgold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just had to replace my vacuum pump, but I was told the pump should be putting out 35lbs of vacuum. You can't have more vacuum than there is atmospheric pressure. At sea level, it's 14.7 lbs/square inch, or the pressure exerted by a column of mercury 29.93 high. In automotive useage, it's usually measured as inches (of mercury) of vacuum, so roughly 30 inches vacuum is as high as you can go. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Soy oil
archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you remember Grandma's Lye Soap, Good for everything in the home, And the secret was in the scrubbing, It wouldn't suds, and wouldn't foam.. Sounds like it would be good for a HE washing machine. They don't like sudsy detergent. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] door check question
The passenger rear door on my 300D is getting hard to close. From wide open, it gets stuck about halfway closed. Can this be fixed by lubrication or do I need to replace the door check? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] door check question
The passenger rear door on my 300D is getting hard to close. From wide open, it gets stuck about halfway closed. Can this be fixed by lubrication or do I need to replace the door check? You can try lubrication, though getting a good grease to where it needs to be will involve just as much work as replacing it. But don't be surprised if it's too late, those sliding-ball checks tend to fail spectacularly. I have had very poor luck repairing these, the 'fix' just doesn't last long. The leaf-spring roller jobs are much better units, except that the pot metal is too thin and they always break. I've never been able to repair one of those, either. The best door checks I've seen are found in the 107. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VAC LEAKS
I will have to admit that I have never quite understood how all that works. I also don't understand why I can get water from my well that is many times deeper than vacuum should draw it. The usual well has a pump at the bottom. In any event, water is pushed up, not sucked up. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] door check question
All depends on how far the door check has cone but more often than not you will be replacing the part. Lubricate it with some spray lube, not WD-40. WD-40 is a solvent, not a lubricant! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:39 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] door check question The passenger rear door on my 300D is getting hard to close. From wide open, it gets stuck about halfway closed. Can this be fixed by lubrication or do I need to replace the door check? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] door check question
Replace at the earliest ,it will eventually stay stuck in the fully open position. mak - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:39 PM Subject: [MBZ] door check question The passenger rear door on my 300D is getting hard to close. From wide open, it gets stuck about halfway closed. Can this be fixed by lubrication or do I need to replace the door check? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.15.30/1126 - Release Date: 11/12/2007 12:56 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] famous dave's bbq (plus a little college football)
tom savage wrote: I don't know what an Egg Bowl is, but I support anything that involves beating Ole Miss. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egg_Bowl John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] jabba considers adding a second dog
Gary, Just the pictures could win one over, good luck. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VAC LEAKS
The pump on my well [170 feet deep] is in the pump room behind my house, and the well is out by the street. Unless there is some power source hidden in the pipe I don't think it could have a pump at the bottom. We are located 54' above the river level, so the first 120' rise to ground water level should be easy. Still have 50' or so to bring it up, and my long ago physics said 32' was all vacuum would lift water. I believe they also went on to explain how they did it, but by then I suspect I was daydreaming. BillR Jacksonville FL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:00 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] VAC LEAKS I will have to admit that I have never quite understood how all that works. I also don't understand why I can get water from my well that is many times deeper than vacuum should draw it. The usual well has a pump at the bottom. In any event, water is pushed up, not sucked up. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VAC LEAKS
The pump on my well [170 feet deep] is in the pump room behind my house, and the well is out by the street. Unless there is some power source hidden in the pipe I don't think it could have a pump at the bottom. We are located 54' above the river level, so the first 120' rise to ground water level should be easy. Still have 50' or so to bring it up, and my long ago physics said 32' was all vacuum would lift water. I believe they also went on to explain how they did it, but by then I suspect I was daydreaming. BillR On Behalf Of Jim Cathey I will have to admit that I have never quite understood how all that works. I also don't understand why I can get water from my well that is many times deeper than vacuum should draw it. The usual well has a pump at the bottom. In any event, water is pushed up, not sucked up. -- Jim --- Bill may have a (jet?) pump with two pipes in the casing. Water is pumped down one pipe and up the other pipe bringing additional water with it. Those were common before submersible pumps were perfected. They were not very efficient. I forget the physics involved. Venturi principle? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Ot : Tires
I just had a blow out on my rear tire of a 2004 Nissan Pathfinder. It has the original tires with 45,000 miles. There is still a lot of tread left. Should I just replace the one tire? The original size is 245/65-17 How much bigger or smaller can I go? I see a lot of similar size new tires on Ebay. Thanks for the help guys ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ot : Tires
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just had a blow out on my rear tire of a 2004 Nissan Pathfinder. It has the original tires with 45,000 miles. There is still a lot of tread left. Should I just replace the one tire? The original size is 245/65-17 How much bigger or smaller can I go? I see a lot of similar size new tires on Ebay. Thanks for the help guys I'd replace the other rear as well, with that many miles already on the tires. Do you have a full-size spare? If not you might consider buying another wheel and using the current good rear tire as a spare. If you change sizes, you'll need to change all the tires. I would not change sizes, it will throw off your speedometer/odometer and could affect handling adversely. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] euro car question
Is there a way to tell what country a euro car was originally sold in, or produced for? Will the VIN number or something reveal that? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ot : Tires
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just had a blow out on my rear tire of a 2004 Nissan Pathfinder. It has the original tires with 45,000 miles. There is still a lot of tread left. Should I just replace the one tire? The original size is 245/65-17 How much bigger or smaller can I go? I see a lot of similar size new tires on Ebay. Thanks for the help guys I am by no means a tire expert, but my faith in those tires would be destroyed after that. You can have plenty of tread life left, but the sidewalls could have problems, etc. Go to tirerack.com and read the reviews for new tires... Tirerack also has pretty good prices as well. I wouldn't buy a tire off eBay... what kind of warranty/service are you going to get (ie you get a bad tire and need to return it)? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] euro car question
The build sheet based on the VIN does (kinda) my 83 - Dealer Nato members sales (401) my 92 300TDt - Freiburg branch (236) my 92 S - Canada (701) On Nov 13, 2007, at 8:57 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ((CAT)) wrote: Is there a way to tell what country a euro car was originally sold in, or produced for? Will the VIN number or something reveal that? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com John 1983 300TDt 384k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 211k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 200k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ot : Tires
You have a spare that is the same? Use that, buy a real cheap tire to replace it, then in 10-15k miles you will need a new set of tires anyway. Otherwise you can get another one to match, the tread diff shouldn't matter much. --R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just had a blow out on my rear tire of a 2004 Nissan Pathfinder. It has the original tires with 45,000 miles. There is still a lot of tread left. Should I just replace the one tire? The original size is 245/65-17 How much bigger or smaller can I go? I see a lot of similar size new tires on Ebay. Thanks for the help guys ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] euro car question
Kaleb C. Striplin \(CAT\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there a way to tell what country a euro car was originally sold in, or produced for? Will the VIN number or something reveal that? Guess you want something like a European Carfax report. Don't know whether such a service exists. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Soy Oil
HDPE isn't affected, but other plastics can be. I don't know if Tom's plastic is HDPE or not... Luther On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:03:11 -0600, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luther wrote: The only way to tell is try. Methanol is fairly safe, but when you add lye into it. Biodiesel is also hard on some plastics. Do you need a sample to soak a piece in?? I don't think plastics are generally affected by lye, at least not HDPE. They sell Drain-O in plastic bottles, and that basically just lye. Allan -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Soy Oil
Is the metal stainless or aluminum? Luther On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:13:44 -0600, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are made of HDPE. Now I just need to find a free veggi oil source. Thanks, Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/12/07 08:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy Oil -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= hi Tom! i may have missed it, but i don't see where it says what those fermenters are made of. FWIW, the common 5Gal carriers (carboys) are HDPE, and i've got some of those that i've been using without incident for years. cheers! e -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Soy oil
NaOH will produce a soap that is more solid than KOH in the biodiesel reaction. KOH is more forgiving if there is water in the oil or methanol/ethanol. HDPE becomes fuel in the event of a fire...then the contents do the same Need I say more? Luther On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:37:14 -0600, Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I kinda slept through college chemistry when they were cypherin' those equasions on the board.. I only use Sodium hydroxide (NaOH) rather than potassium (KOH) because it's what I'm used to and what I have on hand for soap. I know the weights are different and more KOH is required for saponification ... but again, I am used to NaOH and the ratios. (LOL.. I don't test on animals. I test on friends.) OH... Mr. Tom, to my knowledge the lye and methanol are no problem in reacting w/HOPE. Check out www.tank-depot.com Most of their reaction tanks for biodiesel are also sold as wine tanks. The only issue is the temperature the plastic can withstand as most folks heat the oil to 130F where it is held for duration of reaction. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Soy Oil
The valves are nickel plated brass. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/13/07 11:11 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy Oil -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Is the metal stainless or aluminum? Luther On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:13:44 -0600, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are made of HDPE. Now I just need to find a free veggi oil source. Thanks, Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/12/07 08:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy Oil -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= hi Tom! i may have missed it, but i don't see where it says what those fermenters are made of. FWIW, the common 5Gal carriers (carboys) are HDPE, and i've got some of those that i've been using without incident for years. cheers! e -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Soy oil
BT, WRONG! Methoxide is different. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methoxide Our substance is actually sodium/potassium hydroxide solution in methanol/ethanol. Glycerine that is made from NaOH will NOT breakdown on the compost pile. Excessive amounts of Na is not good for your ecosystem. Luther On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:24:00 -0600, Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sodium hydroxide (lye same as I use to make soap) and methanol = methoxide. Titrate the oil to get formula. Water in the WVO will react with the lye to saponify into soap rather than to separate glycerine. Product has to be washed anyway to yield a purer biodiesel. (Making soap, I'm mixing water with the lye (sodium hydroxide) to yield just the result I'm hoping will NOT happen when making biodiesel. ) I'm not set up to reclaim the methanol from the glycerine yet. That would cut down on the cost. The methanol evaporates from the glycerine. Glycerine purified would have some value but the cost to do so isn't practical on small scale. It all breaks down on compost pile though.. A note, glycerine is usually removed from commercial soaps as it have other value. Homemade and superfatted soaps retaining the glycerin are superior in cutting grease. I keep my MB mechanic supplied with goat milk shea butter soap. (Considering while he was at it he just happened to find the vac leak in the A/C one of the '85s. Didn't charge!) OK... please don't laugh, Y'all... but rather than driving around with exhaust smelling like fast food I've sometimes wondered what sandalwood or lilac exhaust would... NAW... that'd just be silly. T -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] euro car question
hmm, OK. Assume I can look that up on the euro epc which I have not installed yet? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: John M McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] euro car question The build sheet based on the VIN does (kinda) my 83 - Dealer Nato members sales (401) my 92 300TDt - Freiburg branch (236) my 92 S - Canada (701) On Nov 13, 2007, at 8:57 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ((CAT)) wrote: Is there a way to tell what country a euro car was originally sold in, or produced for? Will the VIN number or something reveal that? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com John 1983 300TDt 384k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 211k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 200k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] euro car question
No, not exactly, just curious what country the car originally came from. For instance, I do know my latest euro car, the 84 300D, came from Germany because I found all the paperwork and letters back and forth from the person who bought it here and the person in Germany who shipped it over. Also was the german classifieds from whever they were looking for their car. Was very interesting. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] euro car question Kaleb C. Striplin \(CAT\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there a way to tell what country a euro car was originally sold in, or produced for? Will the VIN number or something reveal that? Guess you want something like a European Carfax report. Don't know whether such a service exists. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Carpet paint
From a Saab mailing list I'm on: We are in process of installing all new carpets in Project Lisa, the 1974 Sonett III that our club is refurbishing. The carpet pieces have been selected as the best available from our several parts cars, but most of the pieces do have varying amounts of color fading from sun exposure here in Colorado. Based on his prior experience with a carpet paint product, Bruce Harbison suggested SEM Color Coat aerosol so we ended up doing a match with #15173 Camel being the selected color. I sprayed two coats on all the pieces today with very good results using the mfg suggested process of nylon brushing the carpet after each coat. They look great - very close to original color - and will be installed at our next work party. For those of you with fading carpets in your Sonett III go to http://www.sem.ws for detailed information about $15 for a 12 oz can, more that enough to do one car. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Just another struggling little German company...
Stuttgart. In its session today, the Supervisory Board of Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG, Stuttgart, confirmed the pre-tax earnings of the Porsche Group in the 2006/07 year of business, achieving a record figure of Euro 5.857 billion, up very significantly from the previous year's figure of Euro 2.110 billion. RLE ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Just another struggling little German company...
Any idea what percentage of that will get taken by the German IRS? It would be interesting also to know what percentage of that comes from cars vs. other income like licensing, design work for other companies, etc. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stuttgart. In its session today, the Supervisory Board of Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG, Stuttgart, confirmed the pre-tax earnings of the Porsche Group in the 2006/07 year of business, achieving a record figure of Euro 5.857 billion, up very significantly from the previous year's figure of Euro 2.110 billion. RLE ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] replacing water pump
So, I'll be replacing the water pump on my 300D -- any tips on removing the old one, I've had trouble in the past separating the pump from the pump housing. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] replacing water pump
Use a bigger hammer. --- Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had trouble in the past separating the pump from the pump housing. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] replacing water pump
From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, I'll be replacing the water pump on my 300D -- any tips on removing the old one, I've had trouble in the past separating the pump from the pump housing. Allan -- I use a screw driver sharpened to a knife edge and gently tap it into the joint all around the water pump. If the pump has been glued in with hardening permatex or something similar, you might have to do a lot of tapping. I've never failed to get a pump loose that way. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was famous dave's bbq; now pizza stuff
I do not envy pizza oven attendants in Phoenix.Major conundrum: do you step inside the oven or outside to cool off? On Nov 12, 2007 10:02 AM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember some stinkin' pizza outfit having a type of oven that was kind of like a multi leveled carrousel...like one of those pie display case thingys spinning around at boo-fays. These ovens had thin stone cooking surfaces and made better pizza than the conveyers, but not nearly good pizza as the Baker's Pride ovens. I think it was Peter Piper out here in AZ. Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:48 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] famous dave's bbq Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But if some moron shut the oven off when he went home for the night, you could find it stone cold at 4pm, fire it up immediately, and you would not be making pizza until after 8pm. I hated the Hobart conveyors when I first saw them 20 years ago, but they don't waste gas all night. With the pan pizza, there isn't much difference in taste between the firebrick and the conveyor. The Lang ovens we had were electric, and had timers so they would kick on and start heating at about 1:30. They only took a couple of hours to pre heat, so by 4:00 they were ready to go (unless there had been a power failure overnight and the timers were off). We had 6 ovens in our store, normally used only two or three. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VAC LEAKS
Perhaps, as the 3 [4?] pipe is big enough, but when it goes down it also has a single valve that seems to be the width of the pipe, and the fittings on the pump don't suggest anything like that. I'll look more closely next time I am out there, but with the sprinkler and two pumps tied together [one pumps water into a pressurized tank and into the @175 gal aerator, the other from the aerator into a pressurized tank for the house] it is a bit of a maze - and mostly underground. The new well was dug about 4 years ago. BillR Bill may have a (jet?) pump with two pipes in the casing. Water is pumped down one pipe and up the other pipe bringing additional water with it. Those were common before submersible pumps were perfected. They were not very efficient. I forget the physics involved. Venturi principle? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] famous dave's bbq
The squirts? Is that OKie for the runs? On Nov 12, 2007 9:47 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pizza hut is nasty, it always gives me the squirts. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] famous dave's bbq Tom Hargrave wrote: I actually have a long history with Domino's pizza and I remember the Bakers Pride ovens. And yes, they make a superior pizza. Bakers Pride ovens have a slate floor the even heat from the slate adds a nutty flavor to the crust. But if some moron shut the oven off when he went home for the night, you could find it stone cold at 4pm, fire it up immediately, and you would not be making pizza until after 8pm. I hated the Hobart conveyors when I first saw them 20 years ago, but they don't waste gas all night. With the pan pizza, there isn't much difference in taste between the firebrick and the conveyor. When the Domino's nearest to me opened up in 1986, it had a shiny new Hobart conveyor. When it was sold to a franchise operator in 1988, it had an old Baker's Pride in it. Now it's closed. Too much competition. In 1986, it was just Ceasar's, Domino's, and a couple of restaraunts that didn't deliver. Now one of the restaraunts delivers, plus we've got Mancino's, Hungry Howie's, Pizza Hut(the real killer of Domino's) and Papa John's. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] door check question
They can be taken apart and greased up but it is easier to put a new one or good S/H one in. Just part of regular maintenance. Tom Hargrave wrote: All depends on how far the door check has cone but more often than not you will be replacing the part. Lubricate it with some spray lube, not WD-40. WD-40 is a solvent, not a lubricant! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:39 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] door check question The passenger rear door on my 300D is getting hard to close. From wide open, it gets stuck about halfway closed. Can this be fixed by lubrication or do I need to replace the door check? Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] famous dave's bbq
WTF are St. Louis ribs? Piled on the plate in the shape of an arch? On Nov 12, 2007 10:10 AM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if you ever ate real pizza, you wouldn't be talking this way On Nov 12, 2007 9:09 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: guess there is a lesson here, but dont' take it so far as to be ordering dominoes pizza in new york city Domino's used to be not half bad, until they replaced their deck ovens with automatic conveyorized ones. Easier (and safer) for the staff, but makes a totally generic pizza. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] famous dave's bbq
yep --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] famous dave's bbq The squirts? Is that OKie for the runs? On Nov 12, 2007 9:47 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pizza hut is nasty, it always gives me the squirts. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] famous dave's bbq Tom Hargrave wrote: I actually have a long history with Domino's pizza and I remember the Bakers Pride ovens. And yes, they make a superior pizza. Bakers Pride ovens have a slate floor the even heat from the slate adds a nutty flavor to the crust. But if some moron shut the oven off when he went home for the night, you could find it stone cold at 4pm, fire it up immediately, and you would not be making pizza until after 8pm. I hated the Hobart conveyors when I first saw them 20 years ago, but they don't waste gas all night. With the pan pizza, there isn't much difference in taste between the firebrick and the conveyor. When the Domino's nearest to me opened up in 1986, it had a shiny new Hobart conveyor. When it was sold to a franchise operator in 1988, it had an old Baker's Pride in it. Now it's closed. Too much competition. In 1986, it was just Ceasar's, Domino's, and a couple of restaraunts that didn't deliver. Now one of the restaraunts delivers, plus we've got Mancino's, Hungry Howie's, Pizza Hut(the real killer of Domino's) and Papa John's. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] famous dave's bbq
i have no idea what differentiates a st louis rib from a kansas city rib. the ribs i had were large, meaty with a nicely spicy wet sauce. On Nov 13, 2007 4:31 PM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WTF are St. Louis ribs? Piled on the plate in the shape of an arch? On Nov 12, 2007 10:10 AM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if you ever ate real pizza, you wouldn't be talking this way On Nov 12, 2007 9:09 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: guess there is a lesson here, but dont' take it so far as to be ordering dominoes pizza in new york city Domino's used to be not half bad, until they replaced their deck ovens with automatic conveyorized ones. Easier (and safer) for the staff, but makes a totally generic pizza. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices
Everybody should just chill. The price of oil has started falling and there is no economic basis for it not to retrace all the way back down to $60/bbl or even less in a matter of months if not weeks. On Nov 12, 2007 12:10 PM, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: only if the government is spending money it actually has. We are borrowing money from the Fed, which is created by fiat - increasing the money supply. SO MUCH SO that the Fed quit publishing the statistics on the M3 money supply as the growth in it is so high. Chris Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: War tends to heat up the economy make it grow because now we need to replace of the neat toys that went boom. In other words, war tends to be anti-inflationary. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of archer Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:22 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann the main problem we are seeing right now is the impact of China's Central Bank which on Nov 6 announced that it will begin diversifying its reserve currencies away from weak ones like the dollar towards strong currencies. It was a devastating statement and that date will be one that goes down in history as the beginning of the upcoming period of high inflation. The US money supply is growing at 20%/ year. We don't have 20% economic growth...this is currency inflation by the Federal Reserve...currency debasement. When a currency is worth less, foreigners will want more of it for the same product. On Nov. 6, the US dollar hit record lows against main foreign currencies. Example - You now need $1.10 to buy 1 canadian dollar.(!!!). Fed Chairman Bernanke was grilled the following day in Congress by Ron Paul and Bernanke admitted that this will only effect consumers who buy imported goods - () - well, fuel is imported. Yes, it takes months for oil to reach the pump, but that does not mean that prices can't be raised now on account of it. (I know about the demand for heating oil and harvesting). All these things are combining, but the key is the plummeting dollar. We are in for a bad ride. Chris -- In your opinion will we have government devaluation of the dollar such as South American countries have routinely had in the past? Do you think we would have been in this situation without the Iraq war? Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 367K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] euro car question
I believe that the VIN for a MB destined for use outside of the US is different. As such I don't know what the US type VIN will tell but I know the normal VIN will tell what country the car was sold in originally. This is handy to determine if a car is grey market or not. This site will work for most VIN numbers http://www.mbclub.ru/mb/vin/?lng=eng or http://www.benzworld.org/modelguide.html? Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) wrote: Is there a way to tell what country a euro car was originally sold in, or produced for? Will the VIN number or something reveal that? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Just another struggling little German company...
Actually, Porsche was a struggling (and almost dead) company not too many years ago. It's refreshing to see Capitalism at work. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/13/07 02:26 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Just another struggling little German company... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Stuttgart. In its session today, the Supervisory Board of Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG, Stuttgart, confirmed the pre-tax earnings of the Porsche Group in the 2006/07 year of business, achieving a record figure of Euro 5.857 billion, up very significantly from the previous year's figure of Euro 2.110 billion. RLE ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Water heating, was Diesel/gas prices
I subscribe to Mother Earth News. I really like it because it 1) is full of excellent, useful articles, and 2) is bimonthly (increasing the chance I can read it cover to cover). On Nov 12, 2007 1:55 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: see, that's exactly the direction to move in! On Nov 12, 2007 11:50 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: never did much of that to begin with, but i am using the water heater. it's really too hard for me to function without hot water or i'd shut that down as well. You're in Georgia. Use a batch solar heater upstream of the gas heater. http://www.motherearthnews.com/Green-Home-Building/2007-10-01/Build-Your-Own-Solar-Water-Heater.aspx http://www.motherearthnews.com/Alternative-Energy/2007-02-01/Go-Solar-for-Free-Hot-Water.aspx http://www.motherearthnews.com/DIY/1984-01-01/Build-an-Integral-Passive-Solar-Water-Heater.aspx http://www.findsolar.com/index.php?page=rightforme ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: What was the last real Mercedes?
The 91s have a warning light for low blinker fluid. On Nov 13, 2007 8:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, not a whole lot of difference, the only thing the 91 had that the 89-90 (last 126 revision) did not was integrated cd changer, and traction control available. Dont think the 90 has the option for traction control, and I know it did have the cd changer option. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: M.Affzaal.Khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:31 PM Subject: [MBZ] Fw: What was the last real Mercedes? Is there quite a difference between the 90 and the very rare 91 model mak Those are VERY nice. I have been on the lookout to find one, just dont see the 91's that often. 1991 560SEL without a doubt. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.15.28/1123 - Release Date: 11/10/2007 3:47 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices
Ah, an optimist! Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 3:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices Everybody should just chill. The price of oil has started falling and there is no economic basis for it not to retrace all the way back down to $60/bbl or even less in a matter of months if not weeks. On Nov 12, 2007 12:10 PM, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: only if the government is spending money it actually has. We are borrowing money from the Fed, which is created by fiat - increasing the money supply. SO MUCH SO that the Fed quit publishing the statistics on the M3 money supply as the growth in it is so high. Chris Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: War tends to heat up the economy make it grow because now we need to replace of the neat toys that went boom. In other words, war tends to be anti-inflationary. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of archer Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:22 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann the main problem we are seeing right now is the impact of China's Central Bank which on Nov 6 announced that it will begin diversifying its reserve currencies away from weak ones like the dollar towards strong currencies. It was a devastating statement and that date will be one that goes down in history as the beginning of the upcoming period of high inflation. The US money supply is growing at 20%/ year. We don't have 20% economic growth...this is currency inflation by the Federal Reserve...currency debasement. When a currency is worth less, foreigners will want more of it for the same product. On Nov. 6, the US dollar hit record lows against main foreign currencies. Example - You now need $1.10 to buy 1 canadian dollar.(!!!). Fed Chairman Bernanke was grilled the following day in Congress by Ron Paul and Bernanke admitted that this will only effect consumers who buy imported goods - () - well, fuel is imported. Yes, it takes months for oil to reach the pump, but that does not mean that prices can't be raised now on account of it. (I know about the demand for heating oil and harvesting). All these things are combining, but the key is the plummeting dollar. We are in for a bad ride. Chris -- In your opinion will we have government devaluation of the dollar such as South American countries have routinely had in the past? Do you think we would have been in this situation without the Iraq war? Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 367K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] door check question
Replacing the door check is an economical, fun way to spend an hour and feel really good about yourself when the job is accomplished. Or you can do nothing and learn how to drive with a door that's stuck OPEN. Andrew 1983 300TD (multiple door checks replaced since 1989) On Nov 13, 2007 4:29 PM, Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They can be taken apart and greased up but it is easier to put a new one or good S/H one in. Just part of regular maintenance. Tom Hargrave wrote: All depends on how far the door check has cone but more often than not you will be replacing the part. Lubricate it with some spray lube, not WD-40. WD-40 is a solvent, not a lubricant! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:39 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] door check question The passenger rear door on my 300D is getting hard to close. From wide open, it gets stuck about halfway closed. Can this be fixed by lubrication or do I need to replace the door check? Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: What was the last real Mercedes?
Aren't those the ones with the warning light to warn that the warning light is getting dim? I really like my old simple car. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 3:58 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: What was the last real Mercedes? The 91s have a warning light for low blinker fluid. On Nov 13, 2007 8:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, not a whole lot of difference, the only thing the 91 had that the 89-90 (last 126 revision) did not was integrated cd changer, and traction control available. Dont think the 90 has the option for traction control, and I know it did have the cd changer option. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: M.Affzaal.Khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:31 PM Subject: [MBZ] Fw: What was the last real Mercedes? Is there quite a difference between the 90 and the very rare 91 model mak Those are VERY nice. I have been on the lookout to find one, just dont see the 91's that often. 1991 560SEL without a doubt. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.15.28/1123 - Release Date: 11/10/2007 3:47 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: What was the last real Mercedes?
yes, and improved muffler bearings. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: What was the last real Mercedes? The 91s have a warning light for low blinker fluid. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] door check question
Remember to carry rope (to tie the door so it does not flop around and get hit by other traffic). Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 4:01 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] door check question Replacing the door check is an economical, fun way to spend an hour and feel really good about yourself when the job is accomplished. Or you can do nothing and learn how to drive with a door that's stuck OPEN. Andrew 1983 300TD (multiple door checks replaced since 1989) On Nov 13, 2007 4:29 PM, Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They can be taken apart and greased up but it is easier to put a new one or good S/H one in. Just part of regular maintenance. Tom Hargrave wrote: All depends on how far the door check has cone but more often than not you will be replacing the part. Lubricate it with some spray lube, not WD-40. WD-40 is a solvent, not a lubricant! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:39 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] door check question The passenger rear door on my 300D is getting hard to close. From wide open, it gets stuck about halfway closed. Can this be fixed by lubrication or do I need to replace the door check? Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] jabba considers adding a second dog
Nobody commented on her cockeyed ears (no pun intended). What does this signify? Also -Zoltan - what does it mean that a dog bites through? If it's what I think then that's a real deal breaker in my book. On Nov 13, 2007 8:33 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or like here in Huntsville, where the animal control has an active rescue program and she works for animal control. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:27 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] jabba considers adding a second dog Gary Hurst wrote: I don't know what they are up to over there, but i doubt it is breeding. http://atlanta.craigslist.org/pet/472531312.html Sounds like she wanted to do pet rescue work, so she just jumped in and started doing it. When she talks about bail, it makes me wonder if she had to pay county animal control to give her the dogs. (I doubht the humane society would have given them to her without apaying them first) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices
OK, Gentleman's bet. We'll see. Chris andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everybody should just chill. The price of oil has started falling and there is no economic basis for it not to retrace all the way back down to $60/bbl or even less in a matter of months if not weeks. On Nov 12, 2007 12:10 PM, Christopher McCann wrote: only if the government is spending money it actually has. We are borrowing money from the Fed, which is created by fiat - increasing the money supply. SO MUCH SO that the Fed quit publishing the statistics on the M3 money supply as the growth in it is so high. Chris Tom Hargrave wrote: War tends to heat up the economy make it grow because now we need to replace of the neat toys that went boom. In other words, war tends to be anti-inflationary. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of archer Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:22 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann the main problem we are seeing right now is the impact of China's Central Bank which on Nov 6 announced that it will begin diversifying its reserve currencies away from weak ones like the dollar towards strong currencies. It was a devastating statement and that date will be one that goes down in history as the beginning of the upcoming period of high inflation. The US money supply is growing at 20%/ year. We don't have 20% economic growth...this is currency inflation by the Federal Reserve...currency debasement. When a currency is worth less, foreigners will want more of it for the same product. On Nov. 6, the US dollar hit record lows against main foreign currencies. Example - You now need $1.10 to buy 1 canadian dollar.(!!!). Fed Chairman Bernanke was grilled the following day in Congress by Ron Paul and Bernanke admitted that this will only effect consumers who buy imported goods - () - well, fuel is imported. Yes, it takes months for oil to reach the pump, but that does not mean that prices can't be raised now on account of it. (I know about the demand for heating oil and harvesting). All these things are combining, but the key is the plummeting dollar. We are in for a bad ride. Chris -- In your opinion will we have government devaluation of the dollar such as South American countries have routinely had in the past? Do you think we would have been in this situation without the Iraq war? Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 367K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 367K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VAC LEAKS
I would guess a well drilled four years ago would have a submersible pump lowered into the well. The pumps you describe may be auxiliaries to provide topside pressure. I've heard of people using booster pumps topside if the well is pretty deep since it takes part of the load off the submersible and can provide a better flow of water and higher pressure for the house and sprinkler system. Another possibility I can think of is that the well diggers went through hardpan into a pressure dome and the water level came up the pipe to where a surface pump could be used. We had that happen when we hand drove a couple of wells in the Tampa area when we first came to Florida. Nevertheless, that seems unlikely given the low water levels both underground and above ground nowadays. There could be a smaller jet pipe inside a larger return pipe. This would look like a simple pump system but could actually be a jet pump. Gerry --- From: Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perhaps, as the 3 [4?] pipe is big enough, but when it goes down it also has a single valve that seems to be the width of the pipe, and the fittings on the pump don't suggest anything like that. I'll look more closely next time I am out there, but with the sprinkler and two pumps tied together [one pumps water into a pressurized tank and into the @175 gal aerator, the other from the aerator into a pressurized tank for the house] it is a bit of a maze - and mostly underground. The new well was dug about 4 years ago. BillR Bill may have a (jet?) pump with two pipes in the casing. Water is pumped down one pipe and up the other pipe bringing additional water with it. Those were common before submersible pumps were perfected. They were not very efficient. I forget the physics involved. Venturi principle? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.30/1127 - Release Date: 11/12/2007 9:19 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices
Supply and demand rules dictate that the long term trend must rise. Less Supply + Great Demand = Higher Prices Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/13/07 04:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= OK, Gentleman's bet. We'll see. Chris andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everybody should just chill. The price of oil has started falling and there is no economic basis for it not to retrace all the way back down to $60/bbl or even less in a matter of months if not weeks. On Nov 12, 2007 12:10 PM, Christopher McCann wrote: only if the government is spending money it actually has. We are borrowing money from the Fed, which is created by fiat - increasing the money supply. SO MUCH SO that the Fed quit publishing the statistics on the M3 money supply as the growth in it is so high. Chris Tom Hargrave wrote: War tends to heat up the economy make it grow because now we need to replace of the neat toys that went boom. In other words, war tends to be anti-inflationary. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of archer Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:22 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann the main problem we are seeing right now is the impact of China's Central Bank which on Nov 6 announced that it will begin diversifying its reserve currencies away from weak ones like the dollar towards strong currencies. It was a devastating statement and that date will be one that goes down in history as the beginning of the upcoming period of high inflation. The US money supply is growing at 20%/ year. We don't have 20% economic growth...this is currency inflation by the Federal Reserve...currency debasement. When a currency is worth less, foreigners will want more of it for the same product. On Nov. 6, the US dollar hit record lows against main foreign currencies. Example - You now need $1.10 to buy 1 canadian dollar.(!!!). Fed Chairman Bernanke was grilled the following day in Congress by Ron Paul and Bernanke admitted that this will only effect consumers who buy imported goods - () - well, fuel is imported. Yes, it takes months for oil to reach the pump, but that does not mean that prices can't be raised now on account of it. (I know about the demand for heating oil and harvesting). All these things are combining, but the key is the plummeting dollar. We are in for a bad ride. Chris -- In your opinion will we have government devaluation of the dollar such as South American countries have routinely had in the past? Do you think we would have been in this situation without the Iraq war? Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 367K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 367K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices
Seriously, everybody guess how much higher China's and India's oil demand is this year compared to last? (Hint: it's a lot less than you think). On Nov 13, 2007 5:11 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Supply and demand rules dictate that the long term trend must rise. Less Supply + Great Demand = Higher Prices Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/13/07 04:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= OK, Gentleman's bet. We'll see. Chris andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everybody should just chill. The price of oil has started falling and there is no economic basis for it not to retrace all the way back down to $60/bbl or even less in a matter of months if not weeks. On Nov 12, 2007 12:10 PM, Christopher McCann wrote: only if the government is spending money it actually has. We are borrowing money from the Fed, which is created by fiat - increasing the money supply. SO MUCH SO that the Fed quit publishing the statistics on the M3 money supply as the growth in it is so high. Chris Tom Hargrave wrote: War tends to heat up the economy make it grow because now we need to replace of the neat toys that went boom. In other words, war tends to be anti-inflationary. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of archer Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:22 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann the main problem we are seeing right now is the impact of China's Central Bank which on Nov 6 announced that it will begin diversifying its reserve currencies away from weak ones like the dollar towards strong currencies. It was a devastating statement and that date will be one that goes down in history as the beginning of the upcoming period of high inflation. The US money supply is growing at 20%/ year. We don't have 20% economic growth...this is currency inflation by the Federal Reserve...currency debasement. When a currency is worth less, foreigners will want more of it for the same product. On Nov. 6, the US dollar hit record lows against main foreign currencies. Example - You now need $1.10 to buy 1 canadian dollar.(!!!). Fed Chairman Bernanke was grilled the following day in Congress by Ron Paul and Bernanke admitted that this will only effect consumers who buy imported goods - () - well, fuel is imported. Yes, it takes months for oil to reach the pump, but that does not mean that prices can't be raised now on account of it. (I know about the demand for heating oil and harvesting). All these things are combining, but the key is the plummeting dollar. We are in for a bad ride. Chris -- In your opinion will we have government devaluation of the dollar such as South American countries have routinely had in the past? Do you think we would have been in this situation without the Iraq war? Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 367K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 367K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth - Get easy, one-click access to
Re: [MBZ] Fw: What was the last real Mercedes?
R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Aren't those the ones with the warning light to warn that the warning light is getting dim? I really like my old simple car. What I would like in my W123 is a buzzer if the oil pressure got too low or the temp got too high. The gauges are nice but not very attention-grabbing if something is going awry. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices
Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Supply and demand rules dictate that the long term trend must rise. Less Supply + Great Demand = Higher Prices I do recall hearing a report that some big-time financial guru (might have been Warren Buffet) said that we were in an oil price bubble and the prices were not justifiable based on current demand and supply and that there would be a correction. That was some months ago, maybe early summer or so? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices
I read recently that oil consumption (demand) only grew 1 percent for China and India. If this is true then we are in one HELLUVA bubble that could easily burst Think 1615 Dutch Tulip Craze. On Nov 13, 2007 5:24 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Supply and demand rules dictate that the long term trend must rise. Less Supply + Great Demand = Higher Prices I do recall hearing a report that some big-time financial guru (might have been Warren Buffet) said that we were in an oil price bubble and the prices were not justifiable based on current demand and supply and that there would be a correction. That was some months ago, maybe early summer or so? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices
We could have lower demand and larger supplies and STILL pay more because we import it - so you must take the value of the dollar into account...and it has been falling for several years and took another big hit with the Chinese central bank announcement. Chris Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Hargrave writes: Supply and demand rules dictate that the long term trend must rise. Less Supply + Great Demand = Higher Prices I do recall hearing a report that some big-time financial guru (might have been Warren Buffet) said that we were in an oil price bubble and the prices were not justifiable based on current demand and supply and that there would be a correction. That was some months ago, maybe early summer or so? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 367K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices
andrew strasfogel wrote: Seriously, everybody guess how much higher China's and India's oil demand is this year compared to last? I would assume it's somewhere near China's claimed 10% GDP growth. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Water heating, was Diesel/gas prices
andrew strasfogel wrote: I subscribe to Mother Earth News. I really like it because it 1) is full of excellent, useful articles, and 2) is bimonthly (increasing the chance I can read it cover to cover). I bought it at a local newsstand in the 70's to early 80's, then didn't read it for about 15 years. Bought a year from some guy on eBay for $3, the price wasn't $3 a year later. Should have bought ten years for $30, but I was afraid Mother would have gone downhill over the years like all the magazines I used to love and can't stand now. (Popular Science, Buycycling, Field Stream...) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: What was the last real Mercedes?
Allan Streib wrote: What I would like in my W123 is a buzzer if the oil pressure got too low or the temp got too high. The gauges are nice but not very attention-grabbing if something is going awry. For a while (about 30 years ago) Honda put a loud turn signal buzzer on some of their street bikes. Wise riders rewired the buzzer to run off the oil pressure lamp circuit. Idiot lights on a motorcycle can go unnoticed for a LONG time, especially on a sunny day. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] jabba considers adding a second dog
andrew strasfogel wrote: Nobody commented on her cockeyed ears (no pun intended). What does this signify? The right ear is normal IIRC. Never seen one flop over the head like her left ear instead of off to the side. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] jabba considers adding a second dog
Andrew, I think you must be talking about when I wrote the breed is one of the most likely to bite though. Unless I'm missing something. The ears: When it flops over the head like that it is often indicitive of someone having taped the ears up at some point. Sometimes GSDs don't need taping, sometimes they do. And sometimes owners tape the ears just in case. Look at the middle of the ear and you can picture it having been taped. Brian On 11/13/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: Nobody commented on her cockeyed ears (no pun intended). What does this signify? The right ear is normal IIRC. Never seen one flop over the head like her left ear instead of off to the side. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] jabba considers adding a second dog
this one looks like a cutey, and i'm all for rescuing dogs; our Malinois/Lab mix was a rescue dog, and after some time to recover from what was obviously an abusive start, she's become a wonderful critter to have around the house (and the office, and pretty much anywhere else we go). however, Brian raises an excellent point about the biting issue that reminded me of something; you might want to check with your homeowners/renters/business insurance to see if this dog might affect your rates, because the list of breeds that Insurance companies are classifying as High Risk would surprise most people, and it seems to be growing longer all the time. cheers! e Zoltan Finks wrote: Andrew, I think you must be talking about when I wrote the breed is one of the most likely to bite though. Unless I'm missing something. [snip] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] jabba considers adding a second dog
On Nov 13, 2007 3:52 AM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure how to diagnose bad hips besides grabbing the leg and gently pulling it sideward 'til the dog exhibits pain. Hey, just like balljoints! Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Water heating, was Diesel/gas prices
The problem with all publications is they tend to cycle the same content through every 3 years Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 11/13/07 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Water heating, was Diesel/gas prices andrew strasfogel wrote: I subscribe to Mother Earth News. I really like it because it 1) is full of excellent, useful articles, and 2) is bimonthly (increasing the chance I can read it cover to cover). I bought it at a local newsstand in the 70's to early 80's, then didn't read it for about 15 years. Bought a year from some guy on eBay for $3, the price wasn't $3 a year later. Should have bought ten years for $30, but I was afraid Mother would have gone downhill over the years like all the magazines I used to love and can't stand now. (Popular Science, Buycycling, Field Stream...) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] replacing water pump
If you use this method make sure you have the edge of the screwdriver on the pump and not the engine block. Damage the pump and it doesn't matter - damage the block and you have problems. The mating surface must be flat so it meets the water pump and seals with the gasket. I like the BFH (or LFH) method better - remove all the bolts tap on the Pump and it'll probably fall off. Maybe I've just been lucky but I haven't seen the hardening Permatex in a long time. It's really not a dfficult job - just get a gal of fresh antifreeze, a gasket (Rusty may provide one) and study the Workshop Manual - especially look at the work that must be done beforehand - sometimes the radiator needs to be removed for easier access. Good luck -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] replacing water pump From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, I'll be replacing the water pump on my 300D -- any tips on removing the old one, I've had trouble in the past separating the pump from the pump housing. Allan -- I use a screw driver sharpened to a knife edge and gently tap it into the joint all around the water pump. If the pump has been glued in with hardening permatex or something similar, you might have to do a lot of tapping. I've never failed to get a pump loose that way. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.31/1128 - Release Date: 11/13/2007 11:09 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: What was the last real Mercedes?
I never actually did it but I had intentions at one time to put a big red light on the dash of my old Suburban to warn of oil pressure troubles. I bought (and still have somewhere no doubt) a round side marker type light intended for a trailer or something like that. It was about 2 inches in diameter. I thought if that was in front of me, I should notice it light up even in daylight. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 4:22 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: What was the last real Mercedes? R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Aren't those the ones with the warning light to warn that the warning light is getting dim? I really like my old simple car. What I would like in my W123 is a buzzer if the oil pressure got too low or the temp got too high. The gauges are nice but not very attention-grabbing if something is going awry. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Jet Pumps
For Jet Pumps, read Jacuzzi. This was before hot tubs. Fred Moir Lynn MA One of these One of those and Mokita. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VAC LEAKS
Interesting. What kind of circumference would such a pump have? Is it inserted through the pipe or is a larger diameter hole dug with pump and pipes dropped through that? What sort of current would such a pump require? I doubt if we are in such a dome because we are at the top of a hill that drops down to almost river level on all four sides within a mile or less. We certainly do have some hardpan in FL. When I dug a drain field for a bath I was installing in Lakeland [near Tampa] the 'uphill' end of the trench had water in it, and I was able to get to less than 1/2 inch [very carefully] of connecting the trenches with no seepage at all. Percolation rate through that stuff was almost nil. To use a spike stand sprinkler I had to take a hammer and screwdriver and pound a hole in the stuff and stand the sprinkler up in it. Fortunately it was only in a small part of the yard, but I had to extend the drain field another 10 feet to get past the hard pan so the thing would work. In my next life I plan to be rich enough to have the entire job done by the pros and not just the tank. I was fresh out of school then and the only option was sweat equity. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of archer Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 5:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] VAC LEAKS I would guess a well drilled four years ago would have a submersible pump lowered into the well. The pumps you describe may be auxiliaries to provide topside pressure. I've heard of people using booster pumps topside if the well is pretty deep since it takes part of the load off the submersible and can provide a better flow of water and higher pressure for the house and sprinkler system. Another possibility I can think of is that the well diggers went through hardpan into a pressure dome and the water level came up the pipe to where a surface pump could be used. We had that happen when we hand drove a couple of wells in the Tampa area when we first came to Florida. Nevertheless, that seems unlikely given the low water levels both underground and above ground nowadays. There could be a smaller jet pipe inside a larger return pipe. This would look like a simple pump system but could actually be a jet pump. Gerry --- From: Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perhaps, as the 3 [4?] pipe is big enough, but when it goes down it also has a single valve that seems to be the width of the pipe, and the fittings on the pump don't suggest anything like that. I'll look more closely next time I am out there, but with the sprinkler and two pumps tied together [one pumps water into a pressurized tank and into the @175 gal aerator, the other from the aerator into a pressurized tank for the house] it is a bit of a maze - and mostly underground. The new well was dug about 4 years ago. BillR Bill may have a (jet?) pump with two pipes in the casing. Water is pumped down one pipe and up the other pipe bringing additional water with it. Those were common before submersible pumps were perfected. They were not very efficient. I forget the physics involved. Venturi principle? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.30/1127 - Release Date: 11/12/2007 9:19 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] jabba considers adding a second dog
Dog for Sale Dog For Sale: OR free to good home. Answers to the name of Dolly. Excellent guard dog. Owner cannot afford to feed him anymore, as there are no more thieves, murderers, rapists or molesters left in the neighborhood for him to eat. Most of them knew him as ' holy sh*t!! ' Your help will be appreciated. ... -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dogforsale.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 103485 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20071112/ca7b948c/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Repair of leaking door actuator
In the recent discussions of leaking vacuum door lock systems, Larry said, You probably have a bad element somewhere - the rubber diaphragms are damaged moe often than the rubber or plastic hoses. The element diaphrams get torn and leak. In my experience, however, it's not the diaphragms inside the actuator that leak, but the cover that seals the actuating shaft to the plastic body of the actuator. In this case, the leak is when you try to open the doors. I've attached photographs of tonight's repair of my second broken W123 door actuator (I now have a spare). Photograph 1 shows a failed door actuator with a failed attempt at repairing with a plastic sandwich bag. Photograph 2 shows the bag of Bosch parts used for the repair (one for each actuator). The Bosch part number is 3 340 522 025. These are available online from Rock Auto (http://www.rockauto.com). Do a part number search for that Bosch part number and you'll get a search result that allows you to buy the item. They're $1.85 each and come in bags of 5. I bought 3, so 2 were taken out before it was shipped. The shipping charge is more than the part. Photograph 3 shows the Bosch part. This was intended to seal an electrical connection, with the wire coming out the small end. Photograph 4 shows the repair in progress, with a pair of needle-nosed pliers being used to hold the actuating shaft up so the seal can be forced down over it. Photograph 5 shows the finished repair and now functional door actuator. The seal is a little longer than needed but seems to work just fine. Craig -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: door.lock.actuator.repair.1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 172393 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20071112/b3acfa8f/attachment.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: door.lock.actuator.repair.2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 173338 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20071112/b3acfa8f/attachment-0001.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: door.lock.actuator.repair.3.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 178210 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20071112/b3acfa8f/attachment-0002.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: door.lock.actuator.repair.4.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 169244 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20071112/b3acfa8f/attachment-0003.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: door.lock.actuator.repair.5.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 162804 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20071112/b3acfa8f/attachment-0004.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 1987 MERCEDES S 380 GREY MARKET CAR - $2500 (BRENTWOOD)
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Re: [MBZ] Repair of leaking door actuator
Thats great. When I have one bad, I just reach into my big box of actuators and pull one out :) Craig McCluskey wrote: In the recent discussions of leaking vacuum door lock systems, Larry said, You probably have a bad element somewhere - the rubber diaphragms are damaged moe often than the rubber or plastic hoses. The element diaphrams get torn and leak. In my experience, however, it's not the diaphragms inside the actuator that leak, but the cover that seals the actuating shaft to the plastic body of the actuator. In this case, the leak is when you try to open the doors. I've attached photographs of tonight's repair of my second broken W123 door actuator (I now have a spare). Photograph 1 shows a failed door actuator with a failed attempt at repairing with a plastic sandwich bag. Photograph 2 shows the bag of Bosch parts used for the repair (one for each actuator). The Bosch part number is 3 340 522 025. These are available online from Rock Auto (http://www.rockauto.com). Do a part number search for that Bosch part number and you'll get a search result that allows you to buy the item. They're $1.85 each and come in bags of 5. I bought 3, so 2 were taken out before it was shipped. The shipping charge is more than the part. Photograph 3 shows the Bosch part. This was intended to seal an electrical connection, with the wire coming out the small end. Photograph 4 shows the repair in progress, with a pair of needle-nosed pliers being used to hold the actuating shaft up so the seal can be forced down over it. Photograph 5 shows the finished repair and now functional door actuator. The seal is a little longer than needed but seems to work just fine. Craig -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: door.lock.actuator.repair.1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 172393 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20071112/b3acfa8f/attachment.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: door.lock.actuator.repair.2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 173338 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20071112/b3acfa8f/attachment-0001.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: door.lock.actuator.repair.3.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 178210 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20071112/b3acfa8f/attachment-0002.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: door.lock.actuator.repair.4.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 169244 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20071112/b3acfa8f/attachment-0003.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: door.lock.actuator.repair.5.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 162804 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20071112/b3acfa8f/attachment-0004.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: What was the last real Mercedes?
Yes, correct, it is a non-blinking blinker light. It just stays on (or off, depending on failure mode) when the blinker fluid runs low and no longer provides proper lubrication, the blinker seizes up. I have found that German synthetic provides much better service, but it is hard to find. --R andrew strasfogel wrote: The 91s have a warning light for low blinker fluid. On Nov 13, 2007 8:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, not a whole lot of difference, the only thing the 91 had that the 89-90 (last 126 revision) did not was integrated cd changer, and traction control available. Dont think the 90 has the option for traction control, and I know it did have the cd changer option. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: M.Affzaal.Khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:31 PM Subject: [MBZ] Fw: What was the last real Mercedes? Is there quite a difference between the 90 and the very rare 91 model mak Those are VERY nice. I have been on the lookout to find one, just dont see the 91's that often. 1991 560SEL without a doubt. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.15.28/1123 - Release Date: 11/10/2007 3:47 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Quality bugs
Interesting, my badly abused 190D (oh the abuse heaped upon it by the PO) has served me admirably. I drive it 110 miles a day and it asks very little. This week it'll be in for an alignment to see if that'll clear up the squirrely handling. The last time I took it to my Indy he said there was nothing wrong with the suspension... If the alignment doesn't help I'll have him give it a more indepth look... Oh and I need snow tires, it'll be snowy soon enough. And I need to change the coolant... But even if I don't do those things it'll chug right along... -Curt Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:19:20 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Quality bugs To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 unless you're talking about the 190.? Apparently they were so thoroughly panicked at the thought of this car shows MB can't make a small car and still have it be a Benz that the quality control and over-engineering of the car was on a grand scale. This post seems to suggest that the 201 was over-engineered (what exactly does that mean, anyway?) and had exceptional quality. The car itself was OK. It was just all the mechanical bits that were inside it that failed on a regular schedule. You name it, it failed. The '85 190E was the hands down worst car I ever owned. Define quality, if you please. RLE - Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] FW: Today's Diesel Prices
Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 2:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Today's Diesel Prices ** ** ** * **** * * *** U.S. Department of Energy** ** ** * Energy Information Administration * **** ******* To unsubscribe/change address, ** ** ** ** ** * see the message footnotes * * EIA, the Nation's clearinghouse for energy statistics. *** ** (NOTE: To best view this document, your email software should be set to view the item in an 80 character format, using a non-proportional font, e.g. courier) ** On-Highway Diesel Prices, by Week and PADD (Self Service Cash Price in Dollars per Gallon, Including Taxes) Diesel Prices Web URL: http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/wohdp/diesel.asp Average All Types US NATL EASTNEWCENTLOWER GULF ROCKY WEST DATE AVGCOAST ENGLAND ATL ATL MIDWEST COAST MTN COAST CA PADD PADDPADDPADDPADDPADD PADDPADD I IA IB IC II III IV V -- - - --- - - --- - - - - 071112 3.425 3.415 3.484 3.523 3.362 3.403 3.347 3.532 3.608 3.663 071105 3.303 3.290 3.375 3.381 3.244 3.278 3.219 3.411 3.508 3.524 071029 3.157 3.148 3.250 3.251 3.095 3.122 3.062 3.281 3.394 3.406 071022 3.094 3.078 3.182 3.186 3.022 3.067 2.994 3.229 3.323 3.338 071015 3.039 3.023 3.122 3.125 2.970 3.025 2.941 3.169 3.229 3.249 071008 3.035 3.031 3.123 3.137 2.977 3.028 2.946 3.139 3.167 3.197 071001 3.048 3.052 3.117 3.141 3.008 3.061 2.975 3.100 3.090 3.143 070924 3.032 3.037 3.100 3.124 2.993 3.054 2.971 3.028 3.054 3.093 070917 2.964 2.961 3.025 3.054 2.916 2.984 2.903 2.972 2.998 3.023 070910 2.924 2.912 2.968 2.991 2.872 2.942 2.865 2.955 2.982 2.995 070903 2.893 2.867 2.915 2.934 2.835 2.910 2.836 2.939 2.972 2.985 070827 2.863 2.834 2.906 2.898 2.800 2.870 2.808 2.947 2.965 2.986 070820 2.868 2.842 2.915 2.905 2.808 2.864 2.807 2.977 2.996 3.016 070813 2.847 2.820 2.923 2.901 2.776 2.835 2.771 2.980 3.019 3.054 070806 2.898 2.866 2.955 2.945 2.825 2.887 2.824 3.012 3.077 3.140 070730 2.886 2.847 2.946 2.923 2.806 2.885 2.808 3.003 3.058 3.152 070723 2.889 2.860 2.950 2.945 2.815 2.882 2.815 2.988 3.061 3.158 070716 2.889 2.874 2.959 2.949 2.834 2.878 2.821 2.977 3.031 3.147 070709 2.849 2.853 2.942 2.936 2.810 2.822 2.785 2.955 2.987 3.090 070702 2.829 2.827 2.930 2.916 2.779 2.805 2.766 2.936 2.972 3.067 070625 2.835 2.832 2.920 2.915 2.789 2.806 2.780 2.936 2.985 3.073 070618 2.805 2.800 2.877 2.869 2.764 2.774 2.753 2.907 2.958 3.033 070611 2.792 2.789 2.882 2.873 2.744 2.753 2.742 2.937 2.941 2.997 070604 2.799 2.794 2.882 2.870 2.753 2.764 2.749 2.958 2.931 2.972 070528 2.817 2.811 2.888 2.882 2.773 2.783 2.776 2.980 2.939 2.975 070521 2.803 2.798 2.884 2.873 2.758 2.773 2.747 2.993 2.921 2.955 070514 2.773 2.758 2.866 2.843 2.711 2.740 2.713 2.998 2.919 2.952 070507 2.792 2.781 2.874 2.867 2.735 2.754 2.744 2.995 2.935 2.974 070430 2.811 2.800 2.871 2.873 2.762 2.775 2.766 2.988 2.952 2.987 070423 2.851 2.837 2.864 2.877 2.817 2.831 2.815 2.978 2.953 3.004 070416 2.877 2.862 2.871 2.885 2.852 2.864 2.849 2.981 2.956 3.015 070409 2.840 2.813 2.821 2.852 2.796 2.835 2.810 2.951 2.921 2.978 070402 2.790 2.764 2.786 2.820 2.739 2.780 2.766 2.884 2.885 2.939 070326 2.676 2.657 2.713 2.711 2.630 2.655 2.643 2.780 2.803 2.869 070319 2.681 2.661 2.722 2.719 2.631 2.666 2.640 2.765 2.813 2.875 070312 2.685 2.669 2.730 2.719 2.643 2.673 2.644 2.736 2.811 2.899 070305 2.626 2.604 2.693 2.668 2.568 2.606 2.587 2.658 2.795 2.897 070226 2.551 2.526 2.650 2.598 2.483 2.523 2.497 2.568 2.790 2.911 070219 2.491 2.479 2.636 2.581 2.421 2.444 2.418 2.517 2.784 2.901 070212 2.476 2.465 2.625 2.564 2.408 2.429 2.394 2.517 2.777 2.905 070205 2.435 2.433 2.593 2.527 2.378 2.377 2.360 2.523 2.720 2.825 070129 2.413 2.406 2.570 2.508 2.347 2.349 2.347 2.556
Re: [MBZ] jabba considers adding a second dog
what the hell kind of mike vick dog world do you guys live in? these dogs don't go around biting people. for the most part they are just like little children. they like you and seek your approval. unless a dog is badly provoked or trained to attack, they aren't going to bite you. On Nov 13, 2007 6:34 PM, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this one looks like a cutey, and i'm all for rescuing dogs; our Malinois/Lab mix was a rescue dog, and after some time to recover from what was obviously an abusive start, she's become a wonderful critter to have around the house (and the office, and pretty much anywhere else we go). however, Brian raises an excellent point about the biting issue that reminded me of something; you might want to check with your homeowners/renters/business insurance to see if this dog might affect your rates, because the list of breeds that Insurance companies are classifying as High Risk would surprise most people, and it seems to be growing longer all the time. cheers! e Zoltan Finks wrote: Andrew, I think you must be talking about when I wrote the breed is one of the most likely to bite though. Unless I'm missing something. [snip] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 24, Issue 74
Bill: Interesting your vac pump and mine failed at exactly the same milage. Sorry to hear your heater stuff ain't working better--mine cleared right up. My trans shifts exactly the same now as it did before the pump replacement, incidently. Not sure whether the shop recalibrated it or not--they didn't mention doing so. I have had the trans shift hard after a trans service, but that time the shop inadvertantly disconnected a vacuum line entirely. Perhaps the same thing happened to yours. Good luck! Dan 82 300SD, now 298k On Nov 12, 2007, at 6:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just had to replace my vacuum pump, but I was told the pump should be putting out 35lbs of vacuum. I still have the defrost only problem, but can't afford to fix those at the moment. Quote of $385 for that one, and I can't do that work. Anyone else done that for comparison? I also need to reset the vacuum on the transmission, as it was set up with the lower vacuum. Billr Jacksonville, FL 1981 300 SD 296k milwa ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Rear Axle Fluid Change
Tried to have a local shop replace my rear axle fluid recently. His allen wrench would not clear the other stuff around the rear axle and engage the socket properly. So I drive there with my tools and we tried mine - but the only one I had in a 14mmm IIRC was a standard L wrench. Has anyone tried to remove the fill plug on a 91 300D 2.5?Would really like to put the Mobil 1 Synthetic I have in the axle - Any ideas about what kind of Allen Wrench *will work? Maybe a 14mm stub of allen into a socket with a universal? Thx - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair of leaking door actuator
In my experience, however, it's not the diaphragms inside the actuator that leak, but the cover that seals the actuating shaft to the plastic body of the actuator. In this case, the leak is when you try to open the doors. I have also noticed that the oblong ones, as used in single-line systems, often fail at that exposed boot and not inside. But the older round ones are prone to the internal diaphragms failing. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear Axle Fluid Change
Any ideas about what kind of Allen Wrench *will work? Maybe a 14mm stub of allen into a socket with a universal? I put Allen stubs into a six-point box-end wrench for tough cases. In a pinch, a heavy cold chisel and BFH can also work for the fill plugs. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] jabba considers adding a second dog
Thank You! On 11/13/07, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what the hell kind of mike vick dog world do you guys live in? these dogs don't go around biting people. for the most part they are just like little children. they like you and seek your approval. unless a dog is badly provoked or trained to attack, they aren't going to bite you. On Nov 13, 2007 6:34 PM, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this one looks like a cutey, and i'm all for rescuing dogs; our Malinois/Lab mix was a rescue dog, and after some time to recover from what was obviously an abusive start, she's become a wonderful critter to have around the house (and the office, and pretty much anywhere else we go). however, Brian raises an excellent point about the biting issue that reminded me of something; you might want to check with your homeowners/renters/business insurance to see if this dog might affect your rates, because the list of breeds that Insurance companies are classifying as High Risk would surprise most people, and it seems to be growing longer all the time. cheers! e Zoltan Finks wrote: Andrew, I think you must be talking about when I wrote the breed is one of the most likely to bite though. Unless I'm missing something. [snip] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Rory Morrison Oroville, WA 1985 300SD 1982 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] replacing water pump
I prefer a 1 wide (25mm) putty knife to tap in around the edges of things like water pumps. I feel (don't have any real evidence) they it's less likely to do damage to the mating surfaces. On Nov 13, 2007 5:46 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you use this method make sure you have the edge of the screwdriver on the pump and not the engine block. Damage the pump and it doesn't matter - damage the block and you have problems. The mating surface must be flat so it meets the water pump and seals with the gasket. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was famous dave's bbq; now pizza stuff
It's about the same either way. However...this is the time of the year we brag about84 degrees and sunny. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 2:28 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] was famous dave's bbq; now pizza stuff I do not envy pizza oven attendants in Phoenix.Major conundrum: do you step inside the oven or outside to cool off? On Nov 12, 2007 10:02 AM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember some stinkin' pizza outfit having a type of oven that was kind of like a multi leveled carrousel...like one of those pie display case thingys spinning around at boo-fays. These ovens had thin stone cooking surfaces and made better pizza than the conveyers, but not nearly good pizza as the Baker's Pride ovens. I think it was Peter Piper out here in AZ. Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:48 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] famous dave's bbq Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But if some moron shut the oven off when he went home for the night, you could find it stone cold at 4pm, fire it up immediately, and you would not be making pizza until after 8pm. I hated the Hobart conveyors when I first saw them 20 years ago, but they don't waste gas all night. With the pan pizza, there isn't much difference in taste between the firebrick and the conveyor. The Lang ovens we had were electric, and had timers so they would kick on and start heating at about 1:30. They only took a couple of hours to pre heat, so by 4:00 they were ready to go (unless there had been a power failure overnight and the timers were off). We had 6 ovens in our store, normally used only two or three. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1987 MERCEDES S 380 GREY MARKET CAR - $2500 (BRENTWOOD)
Is this some random dude trying to sell stuff on our little list? I get some crazy 404 messages when I try to look at this.and what's up with calling something Grey Marketthat's so 80's Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 6:27 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 1987 MERCEDES S 380 GREY MARKET CAR - $2500 (BRENTWOOD) An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20071113/518 e45c2/attachment.pl ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
