Re: [MBZ] Suburban 454 mileage

2008-11-06 Thread Fmiser
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Better to risk hydroplaning (Indicating your going too fast)
  that to blow out an under inflated and thereby overloaded
  tyre.
 
 John wrote:
 He was talking about 80PSI  I don't think you're going to
 have much of a problem with under-inflation above 30psi.  MB
 recommends 28psi.
 
 Personally, I would prefer a blowout to hydroplaning.  The
 rear tires on the CDI are getting close to the wear markers,
 and I didn't find going down the interstate, sideways, at
 70mph to be much fun.  It wasn't even raining at the time, and
 I've driven faster during worse conditions on the same highway
 without any problems... many times.

High tire pressure _prevents_ hydroplaning. By decreasing the
contact area, it increases ground pressure and squeezes the
water out. 

And 30 psi is _way_ to low for a high-load tire. A loaded car
and a loaded truck are two different animals. For a load
range D or E tire, 80 PSI probably about right.

The big killer of tires - especially truck tires - is
heat. And the quickest way to get a hot tire is the excess
flexing caused by under-inflation. So if you have a load on
the tire anywhere near it's max, make _sure_ it's not
under-inflated.

I have had numerous vehicles hydroplane numerous times without a
catastrophe. Just like I've had a car slide on ice without
turning sideways. I have also experience a couple blowouts. NOT
fun!!! I'm with Peter. From my experience,  risk from a blowout
is much greater than hydroplaning.

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Suburban 454 mileage

2008-11-06 Thread Fmiser
 Peter wrote:
 
 It's ok to inflate any tire to it's max, or what is required
 on the vehicle info plate.  When cold.
 It does no harm if the pressure creeps up 10% or so when the
 tyre gets hot.  The tire is designed for that load.
 Check with your tire dealers!

Also, truck tires (tyres) have a greater pressure margin than
passenger car tires. I understand that 50% over-inflated is
still within the safety margin for truck tires. Not so with car
tires.

-- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] E320 fuel/electronic question

2008-11-06 Thread Hendrik Fay

And what if the check engine light is not on?
Question is, did the funkiness happen straight after replacing the 
harness and throttle body or was it fine for a while and then start to 
do naughty stuff.

Perhaps it is a white car and is not happy with the choice of Prez.

Hendrik

Tom Hargrave wrote:

Take it down to your local Auto-Zone - I believe they have a tester that
will plug in  read out for free.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave


  



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Re: [MBZ] Looking for a Glow Plug Relay

2008-11-06 Thread Robert Rentfro
'77 300D. It's under the dash.

Bob R

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Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for a Glow Plug Relay

What model car?

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Trampas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Let me check I junked a car awhile back but not sure if I saved the relay.

 Trampas

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 Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 9:40 PM
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 Subject: [MBZ] Looking for a Glow Plug Relay

 Anyone have a functioning glow plug relay laying around you want to part
 with?



 0015452232 is the part number. I know you have one, Rusty. I'll check
 before
 I part with 188 clam shells.



 Bob R.

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Re: [MBZ] Looking for a Glow Plug Relay

2008-11-06 Thread Robert Rentfro
It's out of my '77 300D. That's the one under the hood, right? Mine's under
the dash. I don't know if that's the difference in numbers or not.

Bob R

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I have an 001 545 98 32 from an '85 SD (OM617 5 cyl)

what car is a 22 32 for?

Chris



Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone have a functioning glow plug
relay laying around you want to part
with?

 

0015452232 is the part number. I know you have one, Rusty. I'll check before
I part with 188 clam shells.

 

Bob R.

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Re: [MBZ] I don't know what to make of this

2008-11-06 Thread LarryT

here's a decent analysis of the stunt -- and scam - you decide -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J72y_qFV2oc

Sincerely,
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Subject: [MBZ] I don't know what to make of this



This cannot be real, surely. Turn your sound way up.

http://www.chilloutzone.de/files/08102703.html

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Re: [MBZ] Carfax/ 454 milage

2008-11-06 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pure speculation here.  I think that anyone who says a tinkernational 392 has 
more pulling power than a good 454 hasn't ever driven a 454.  And mileage?  A 
454 truck will average 6-7 pulling or not.  I know folks with 
tinkenationals.travelalls and scouts...none of them get better than 8-9 
empty.

Mike
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carfax/ 454 milage

A 454 is like holding a 5 gallon can over the engine, and drill a 
5/16 hole in the bottom.  in short, they s uck. and they are gutless.

My favorite story is in 1979, we had just put a 392 (IH) 4 barrel in 
the old IH 1500. It had well over 300,000 miles on it at the 
time.  We were overloaded, way overloaded, going uphill, closing fast 
on a chevy pickup pulling an empty stock trailer.  He got in the 
creeper lane, and as we passed, i could see the 454 on the side of 
the truck, and it sounded like it was grunting to uphill empty.  I 
nailed the 392, opened up the back two barrels and the truck stood up 
on the ringgear and we accelerated uphill and left the gas sucking 
454 in the dust.

Those who have ridden an Earles fork BMW will understand standing up 
on the ring gear.  I loved that effect!

And we probably went twice as far on a gallon of gas!  The load was 
at least 5 tons.

At 06:30 AM 11/5/2008, you wrote:
 
  Message: 10
  Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:45:43 -0600
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[MBZ] 83 300D fuel starvation

2008-11-06 Thread Hendrik Fay
It has been rumored that some of the listers have some knowledge about 
these cars, below is a question from a very frustrated Ozbenz member, 
thought I'd ask here to see if anyone has any further suggestions, the 
thread can be viewed here 
http://ozbenz.net/viewtopic.php?f=5t=7299p=46313#p46313


Hendrik
whose last fuel starvation issue was crap in the pipes


As most of you know, my wife and I have several 300Ds.
My wife's car (Josephine), an '83 300D, has been losing power on the 
hill climb which is the highway from town to our home. Normally our 
300Ds can manage 80Km/H up this road with no problems.


The car runs well downhill and on level ground, but when it is under 
full power for more than a couple of minutes (when hot or cold), it 
suffers from fuel starvation.


   * As a matter of course, the first thing I have done is to replace
 both the fuel filters - no improvement !
   * I swapped the fuel supply and return lines to eliminate a blocked
 tank strainer issue - no improvement !
   * Just to be sure, I have test driven the car using a 10 litre
 container of fuel in the passenger's foot well and run the fuel
 lines to it, eliminating the fuel lines and hoses to the fuel
 tank. - No improvement !
   * I have replaced all fuel hoses (some were 10mm where they should
 have been 8mm - no improvement !
   * I have fitted a fuel pressure gauge, teed into the fuel line from
 filter to IP. It maintains a positive pressure at all times,
 usually around 0.8 - 1.0 Bar, so I am sure that there is no air
 being sucked in, or restriction in the fuel filter, after the fuel
 pump !
   * When the engine is suffering this issue, if I turn the engine off,
 and check the return line for air, it is clear - no air bubbles,
 even if I pump the fuel pump a number of times, so it is unlikely
 that there is an air leak on the suction side of the fuel pump. I
 have also crimped the fuel hose at the fuel tank outlet and
 pumped, with no air appearing in the pre-filter or return line,
 even after allowing fuel to flow.
   * I have swapped the IP (complete with fuel pump) with another from
 a spare care I have here - no improvement !
   * I have pumped the fuel pump by hand and watched the fuel flow from
 each of the banjos (fuel delivery and return) at the IP, with the
 bolt loosened and plenty of fuel flows from these locations.
   * I have used B100 in the tank with no improvement !
   * I have used petroleum diesel (the 10 Litre container held diesel)
 with no improvement !

I am fast running out of ideas on this issue.
The engine is suffering from fuel starvation, of that I am sure. I just 
don't know why, or where it is happening :?

What have I missed?

Does anyone have a suggestion on what to test for next?

Regards,
Tony
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Service Manual

2008-11-06 Thread LarryT
write Pelosi - she's planning another govt giveaway - wants to call congress 
into a special session.


why can they get behind something like this but avoid a tax cut like the 
plague?



Sincerely,
Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 Service Manual


I need a bailout of my previously paid high price -- do you think I could 
get one?


--R

Max Dillon wrote:
Yes, the price used to be over $100 (I paid $125).  They dropped it to 
$20.


1-800-for mer = 800-367-6372

(sorry about the mix up on that, here's the website to order to make up).

http://www.classictechlit.mbusa.com/MB/

Upon further review, it looks like the number they would like you to call 
is 1-866-622-5277 (aka 1-866-MBClassic).


-
Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD, 310k miles Charleston SC 
Digest lurker (on and off) since 2001 
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Re: [MBZ] I don't know what to make of this

2008-11-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Well when I just watched the original video it looked pretty obvious it 
was a computer animation airplane that lost its wing and landed.  The 
first plane might have been real but after that it was not


LarryT wrote:

here's a decent analysis of the stunt -- and scam - you decide -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J72y_qFV2oc

Sincerely,
Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)
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http://www.chilloutzone.de/files/08102703.html

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Re: [MBZ] 83 300D fuel starvation

2008-11-06 Thread Rich Thomas
If that is the turbo check the vac hose from the back of the intake 
manifold to the ALDA, clean it out at the manifold fitting and/or make 
sure it is airtight and hooked up correctly.  That provides the 
overboost signal, if it is clogged it won't allow enough fuel or boost 
or something, leading to that symptom.


It might also be suffering from the counter-rotation of swirl caused by 
being on the other side of the planet.  A properly polarized magnetic 
turbolizer on the intake manifold and fuel lines would probably cure 
that. Ist nicht in ordnung!


--R

Hendrik  Fay wrote:
It has been rumored that some of the listers have some knowledge about 
these cars, below is a question from a very frustrated Ozbenz member, 
thought I'd ask here to see if anyone has any further suggestions, the 
thread can be viewed here 
http://ozbenz.net/viewtopic.php?f=5t=7299p=46313#p46313


Hendrik
whose last fuel starvation issue was crap in the pipes


As most of you know, my wife and I have several 300Ds.
My wife's car (Josephine), an '83 300D, has been losing power on the 
hill climb which is the highway from town to our home. Normally our 
300Ds can manage 80Km/H up this road with no problems.


The car runs well downhill and on level ground, but when it is under 
full power for more than a couple of minutes (when hot or cold), it 
suffers from fuel starvation.


   * As a matter of course, the first thing I have done is to replace
 both the fuel filters - no improvement !
   * I swapped the fuel supply and return lines to eliminate a blocked
 tank strainer issue - no improvement !
   * Just to be sure, I have test driven the car using a 10 litre
 container of fuel in the passenger's foot well and run the fuel
 lines to it, eliminating the fuel lines and hoses to the fuel
 tank. - No improvement !
   * I have replaced all fuel hoses (some were 10mm where they should
 have been 8mm - no improvement !
   * I have fitted a fuel pressure gauge, teed into the fuel line from
 filter to IP. It maintains a positive pressure at all times,
 usually around 0.8 - 1.0 Bar, so I am sure that there is no air
 being sucked in, or restriction in the fuel filter, after the fuel
 pump !
   * When the engine is suffering this issue, if I turn the engine off,
 and check the return line for air, it is clear - no air bubbles,
 even if I pump the fuel pump a number of times, so it is unlikely
 that there is an air leak on the suction side of the fuel pump. I
 have also crimped the fuel hose at the fuel tank outlet and
 pumped, with no air appearing in the pre-filter or return line,
 even after allowing fuel to flow.
   * I have swapped the IP (complete with fuel pump) with another from
 a spare care I have here - no improvement !
   * I have pumped the fuel pump by hand and watched the fuel flow from
 each of the banjos (fuel delivery and return) at the IP, with the
 bolt loosened and plenty of fuel flows from these locations.
   * I have used B100 in the tank with no improvement !
   * I have used petroleum diesel (the 10 Litre container held diesel)
 with no improvement !

I am fast running out of ideas on this issue.
The engine is suffering from fuel starvation, of that I am sure. I 
just don't know why, or where it is happening :?

What have I missed?

Does anyone have a suggestion on what to test for next?

Regards,
Tony
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Re: [MBZ] Looking for a Glow Plug Relay

2008-11-06 Thread Christopher McCann
Correct, SD relay is under the hood. I upgraded to the fast glow plugs and 
relay so I have the old one left over (plus one from a W123 300Dt parts car - 
also under the hood). Good luck!

Chris

Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's out of my '77 300D. That's the 
one under the hood, right? Mine's under
the dash. I don't know if that's the difference in numbers or not.

Bob R

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I have an 001 545 98 32 from an '85 SD (OM617 5 cyl)

what car is a 22 32 for?

Chris



Robert Rentfro  wrote: Anyone have a functioning glow plug
relay laying around you want to part
with?

 

0015452232 is the part number. I know you have one, Rusty. I'll check before
I part with 188 clam shells.

 

Bob R.

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Re: [MBZ] E320 fuel/electronic question

2008-11-06 Thread Loren Faeth

There is nothing on the codes

At 11:59 PM 11/5/2008, you wrote:

Take it down to your local Auto-Zone - I believe they have a tester that
will plug in  read out for free.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Subject: [MBZ] E320 fuel/electronic question

94 E320, with new engine harness and a recently replaced throttle
body from a 96:

Runs fine until warmed up, but a little tendency to search. (fluctuating
RPM)
  When warm, will die at stops, probably due to searching.

Any ideas what could cause this and how to test components other than
the stealership plug and $$$Charge method?

Another chapter in Why I like Dissels!

Don't want to spend big bucks. it is a Kaleb car.

Loren Faeth


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Re: [MBZ] E320 fuel/electronic question

2008-11-06 Thread Loren Faeth
It was doing it before the throttle body transplant.  Since the TB 
had the old deteriorating insulation, it was generally believed to be 
the culprit.  It is possible the new used TB is causing the same symptom.




At 03:00 AM 11/6/2008, you wrote:

And what if the check engine light is not on?
Question is, did the funkiness happen straight after replacing the 
harness and throttle body or was it fine for a while and then start 
to do naughty stuff.

Perhaps it is a white car and is not happy with the choice of Prez.

Hendrik

Tom Hargrave wrote:

Take it down to your local Auto-Zone - I believe they have a tester that
will plug in  read out for free.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave






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Re: [MBZ] I don't know what to make of this

2008-11-06 Thread Mitch Haley

LarryT wrote:

here's a decent analysis of the stunt -- and scam - you decide -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J72y_qFV2oc


The bottom plane looks like a scale model of the top plane.
Models are grossly overpowered in comparison to full size aircraft, and often 
have enormous control surfaces.


I can recall an incident where a couple of R/C sailplanes collided during a 
contest, quite some distance from the flight line. One guy brought his 3 meter 
plane back to the airfield and landed it with a full right wing and about 10-12 
of the left wing, with heavy application of rudder and elevator. As the guy who 
was covering the contest for R/C Modeler magazine said, must have tremendous 
right rudder.


Mitch


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Re: [MBZ] Carfax/ 454 milage

2008-11-06 Thread Mitch Haley

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Pure speculation here.  I think that anyone who says a tinkernational 392 has 
more pulling power than a good 454


He didn't say 'good 454'. He was talking about a 454 seen in 1979, probably 
stock, and probably made in the last half of the 1970's. Do you remember how 
crappy most cars ran from around 1975 to the age of fuel injection?



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Re: [MBZ] 83 300D fuel starvation

2008-11-06 Thread David Hemsley

I cannot say this emphatically but I can from my own experience.
 
An 84 300D Replaced all of the fuel lines, fuel filters, injectors, fuel cap 
seal.  So, why am I still getting air in this fuel system?
 
The cause of my running maybe twenty miles one day and perhaps five on another? 
 The O Ring on the secondary fuel filter bolt.
 
Replaced that O Ring and have driven probably four thousand miles since 
without a single out of fuel challenge
 
Hope that heps.
 
 
Dave H... Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:31:05 +1030 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 
mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 83 300D fuel starvation  It has been 
rumored that some of the listers have some knowledge about  these cars, below 
is a question from a very frustrated Ozbenz member,  thought I'd ask here to 
see if anyone has any further suggestions, the  thread can be viewed here  
http://ozbenz.net/viewtopic.php?f=5t=7299p=46313#p46313  Hendrik whose 
last fuel starvation issue was crap in the pipes   As most of you know, my 
wife and I have several 300Ds. My wife's car (Josephine), an '83 300D, has 
been losing power on the  hill climb which is the highway from town to our 
home. Normally our  300Ds can manage 80Km/H up this road with no problems.  
The car runs well downhill and on level ground, but when it is under  full 
power for more than a couple of minutes (when hot or cold), it  suffers from 
fuel starvation.  * As a matter of course, the first thing I have done is to 
replace both the fuel filters - no improvement ! * I swapped the fuel supply 
and return lines to eliminate a blocked tank strainer issue - no improvement 
! * Just to be sure, I have test driven the car using a 10 litre container of 
fuel in the passenger's foot well and run the fuel lines to it, eliminating 
the fuel lines and hoses to the fuel tank. - No improvement ! * I have 
replaced all fuel hoses (some were 10mm where they should have been 8mm - no 
improvement ! * I have fitted a fuel pressure gauge, teed into the fuel line 
from filter to IP. It maintains a positive pressure at all times, usually 
around 0.8 - 1.0 Bar, so I am sure that there is no air being sucked in, or 
restriction in the fuel filter, after the fuel pump ! * When the engine is 
suffering this issue, if I turn the engine off, and check the return line for 
air, it is clear - no air bubbles, even if I pump the fuel pump a number of 
times, so it is unlikely that there is an air leak on the suction side of the 
fuel pump. I have also crimped the fuel hose at the fuel tank outlet and 
pumped, with no air appearing in the pre-filter or return line, even after 
allowing fuel to flow. * I have swapped the IP (complete with fuel pump) with 
another from a spare care I have here - no improvement ! * I have pumped the 
fuel pump by hand and watched the fuel flow from each of the banjos (fuel 
delivery and return) at the IP, with the bolt loosened and plenty of fuel 
flows from these locations. * I have used B100 in the tank with no improvement 
! * I have used petroleum diesel (the 10 Litre container held diesel) with no 
improvement !  I am fast running out of ideas on this issue. The engine is 
suffering from fuel starvation, of that I am sure. I just  don't know why, or 
where it is happening :? What have I missed?  Does anyone have a suggestion 
on what to test for next?  Regards, Tony 
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Re: [MBZ] 83 300D fuel starvation

2008-11-06 Thread Loren Faeth
I'd try the oring on the fuel filter first, then try replacing every 
hose on the suction side from the tank to the transfer pump, and the 
transfer pump to the filter.  If the line from the filter to the IP 
was not replaced, replace that also, along with all 4 aluminum rings.


My guess is the line from the transfer pump to the filter.  If these 
are 124 300D's then there are the fuel heater lines also.



At 07:01 AM 11/6/2008, you wrote:
It has been rumored that some of the listers have some knowledge 
about these cars, below is a question from a very frustrated Ozbenz 
member, thought I'd ask here to see if anyone has any further 
suggestions, the thread can be viewed here 
http://ozbenz.net/viewtopic.php?f=5t=7299p=46313#p46313


Hendrik
whose last fuel starvation issue was crap in the pipes


As most of you know, my wife and I have several 300Ds.
My wife's car (Josephine), an '83 300D, has been losing power on the 
hill climb which is the highway from town to our home. Normally our 
300Ds can manage 80Km/H up this road with no problems.


The car runs well downhill and on level ground, but when it is under 
full power for more than a couple of minutes (when hot or cold), it 
suffers from fuel starvation.


   * As a matter of course, the first thing I have done is to replace
 both the fuel filters - no improvement !
   * I swapped the fuel supply and return lines to eliminate a blocked
 tank strainer issue - no improvement !
   * Just to be sure, I have test driven the car using a 10 litre
 container of fuel in the passenger's foot well and run the fuel
 lines to it, eliminating the fuel lines and hoses to the fuel
 tank. - No improvement !
   * I have replaced all fuel hoses (some were 10mm where they should
 have been 8mm - no improvement !
   * I have fitted a fuel pressure gauge, teed into the fuel line from
 filter to IP. It maintains a positive pressure at all times,
 usually around 0.8 - 1.0 Bar, so I am sure that there is no air
 being sucked in, or restriction in the fuel filter, after the fuel
 pump !
   * When the engine is suffering this issue, if I turn the engine off,
 and check the return line for air, it is clear - no air bubbles,
 even if I pump the fuel pump a number of times, so it is unlikely
 that there is an air leak on the suction side of the fuel pump. I
 have also crimped the fuel hose at the fuel tank outlet and
 pumped, with no air appearing in the pre-filter or return line,
 even after allowing fuel to flow.
   * I have swapped the IP (complete with fuel pump) with another from
 a spare care I have here - no improvement !
   * I have pumped the fuel pump by hand and watched the fuel flow from
 each of the banjos (fuel delivery and return) at the IP, with the
 bolt loosened and plenty of fuel flows from these locations.
   * I have used B100 in the tank with no improvement !
   * I have used petroleum diesel (the 10 Litre container held diesel)
 with no improvement !

I am fast running out of ideas on this issue.
The engine is suffering from fuel starvation, of that I am sure. I 
just don't know why, or where it is happening :?

What have I missed?

Does anyone have a suggestion on what to test for next?

Regards,
Tony
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Re: [MBZ] Carfax/ 454 milage

2008-11-06 Thread Loren Faeth

not so

We got 10-13 for years and years in 1500s with 304 to 392.  the 266 
v-8 on a 1500 got 12-13. Pickups get better mileage.  I drove one 
pickup that got 17 if you were careful with the throttle.


The 3/4 ton 73 with an 9' van body also got 12-13 for years and years.

This over 30years and hundreds of thousands of miles, not a one tank average.

They do have to be tuned right.  No different than a OM 616/617



At 07:00 AM 11/6/2008, you wrote:
Pure speculation here.  I think that anyone who says a 
tinkernational 392 has more pulling power than a good 454 hasn't 
ever driven a 454.  And mileage?  A 454 truck will average 6-7 
pulling or not.  I know folks with tinkenationals.travelalls and 
scouts...none of them get better than 8-9 empty.


Mike
-Original Message-
Date: Thursday, November 06, 2008 12:12:13 am
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Carfax/ 454 milage

A 454 is like holding a 5 gallon can over the engine, and drill a
5/16 hole in the bottom.  in short, they s uck. and they are gutless.

My favorite story is in 1979, we had just put a 392 (IH) 4 barrel in
the old IH 1500. It had well over 300,000 miles on it at the
time.  We were overloaded, way overloaded, going uphill, closing fast
on a chevy pickup pulling an empty stock trailer.  He got in the
creeper lane, and as we passed, i could see the 454 on the side of
the truck, and it sounded like it was grunting to uphill empty.  I
nailed the 392, opened up the back two barrels and the truck stood up
on the ringgear and we accelerated uphill and left the gas sucking
454 in the dust.

Those who have ridden an Earles fork BMW will understand standing up
on the ring gear.  I loved that effect!

And we probably went twice as far on a gallon of gas!  The load was
at least 5 tons.

At 06:30 AM 11/5/2008, you wrote:
 
  Message: 10
  Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:45:43 -0600
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Re: [MBZ] 300E oil question (I almost hate to ask this!)

2008-11-06 Thread Max Dillon
LT Don,

Regarding the behavior of your oil gauge bouncing off zero at hot idle, 
consider a new oil pressure sender.  They're about $20, takes 20 minutes to 
change (on the om603, not sure about the gasser).  I was experiencing similar 
behavior on my '87 300TD, read a post on some forum about a new sender 
improving that, and sho'nuff worked like a charm.




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Re: [MBZ] OM60x oil light

2008-11-06 Thread Luther
My 300SDL oil light is in a random on random off mode.  This is with the 
oil level above the add mark.  I've cleaned the connection at the oil 
pan with brake clean and Deoxit, and it didn't change anything.  Might 
this be my issue?  What other issues could there be besides the pressure 
sender?


Luther

Max Dillon wrote:

LT Don,

Regarding the behavior of your oil gauge bouncing off zero at hot idle, 
consider a new oil pressure sender.  They're about $20, takes 20 minutes to 
change (on the om603, not sure about the gasser).  I was experiencing similar 
behavior on my '87 300TD, read a post on some forum about a new sender 
improving that, and sho'nuff worked like a charm.




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Re: [MBZ] 83 300D fuel starvation

2008-11-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Well the first thing I would do is clean out the ALDA line from the 
intake to the ALDA on the IP.  If that didnt work, sounds like the turbo 
is dumping the boost.  Dont forget to also check the switch on the 
firewall that is in the line between the intake and the ALDA, could be 
plugged or not working.  Bypass it for a test.


Hendrik  Fay wrote:
It has been rumored that some of the listers have some knowledge about 
these cars, below is a question from a very frustrated Ozbenz member, 
thought I'd ask here to see if anyone has any further suggestions, the 
thread can be viewed here 
http://ozbenz.net/viewtopic.php?f=5t=7299p=46313#p46313


Hendrik
whose last fuel starvation issue was crap in the pipes


As most of you know, my wife and I have several 300Ds.
My wife's car (Josephine), an '83 300D, has been losing power on the 
hill climb which is the highway from town to our home. Normally our 
300Ds can manage 80Km/H up this road with no problems.


The car runs well downhill and on level ground, but when it is under 
full power for more than a couple of minutes (when hot or cold), it 
suffers from fuel starvation.


   * As a matter of course, the first thing I have done is to replace
 both the fuel filters - no improvement !
   * I swapped the fuel supply and return lines to eliminate a blocked
 tank strainer issue - no improvement !
   * Just to be sure, I have test driven the car using a 10 litre
 container of fuel in the passenger's foot well and run the fuel
 lines to it, eliminating the fuel lines and hoses to the fuel
 tank. - No improvement !
   * I have replaced all fuel hoses (some were 10mm where they should
 have been 8mm - no improvement !
   * I have fitted a fuel pressure gauge, teed into the fuel line from
 filter to IP. It maintains a positive pressure at all times,
 usually around 0.8 - 1.0 Bar, so I am sure that there is no air
 being sucked in, or restriction in the fuel filter, after the fuel
 pump !
   * When the engine is suffering this issue, if I turn the engine off,
 and check the return line for air, it is clear - no air bubbles,
 even if I pump the fuel pump a number of times, so it is unlikely
 that there is an air leak on the suction side of the fuel pump. I
 have also crimped the fuel hose at the fuel tank outlet and
 pumped, with no air appearing in the pre-filter or return line,
 even after allowing fuel to flow.
   * I have swapped the IP (complete with fuel pump) with another from
 a spare care I have here - no improvement !
   * I have pumped the fuel pump by hand and watched the fuel flow from
 each of the banjos (fuel delivery and return) at the IP, with the
 bolt loosened and plenty of fuel flows from these locations.
   * I have used B100 in the tank with no improvement !
   * I have used petroleum diesel (the 10 Litre container held diesel)
 with no improvement !

I am fast running out of ideas on this issue.
The engine is suffering from fuel starvation, of that I am sure. I just 
don't know why, or where it is happening :?

What have I missed?

Does anyone have a suggestion on what to test for next?

Regards,
Tony
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Re: [MBZ] Carfax please

2008-11-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

invalid vin

andrew strasfogel wrote:

Kaleb, if you're in the mood, could you run one for me too?  VIN is
WDBAB93AODN016852
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 7:29 PM, John Freer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Thanks Kaleb, much appreciated!

On to San Diego tomorrow ro hopefully bring it home.
John

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Re: [MBZ] Carfax/ 454 milage

2008-11-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

they suck gas, but gutless they are not.

Loren Faeth wrote:
A 454 is like holding a 5 gallon can over the engine, and drill a 5/16 
hole in the bottom.  in short, they s uck. and they are gutless.


My favorite story is in 1979, we had just put a 392 (IH) 4 barrel in the 
old IH 1500. It had well over 300,000 miles on it at the time.  We were 
overloaded, way overloaded, going uphill, closing fast on a chevy pickup 
pulling an empty stock trailer.  He got in the creeper lane, and as we 
passed, i could see the 454 on the side of the truck, and it sounded 
like it was grunting to uphill empty.  I nailed the 392, opened up the 
back two barrels and the truck stood up on the ringgear and we 
accelerated uphill and left the gas sucking 454 in the dust.


Those who have ridden an Earles fork BMW will understand standing up on 
the ring gear.  I loved that effect!


And we probably went twice as far on a gallon of gas!  The load was at 
least 5 tons.


At 06:30 AM 11/5/2008, you wrote:


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 with a 350 12, with a 454, 6-8


Ouch- we have a 26' box truck with a 454, and that thing will do 6-7 MPG

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[MBZ] FS: Holiest of euro holies, W123 euro tow package.

2008-11-06 Thread Rolf
$250 + shipping. This includes the hitch, bumper and chrome cover. The
chrome cover has a golf ball sized dent it in.

Will trade for 5speed linkage and shifter.

-Rolf

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Re: [MBZ] Hey Kaleb

2008-11-06 Thread John Robbins

Robert Rentfro wrote:

Yes I do...just did a bunch of cooling system work on it. Still runs like
mad.


Does Arizona have similar registration to MS?  If the car is more than 
ten years old it costs $35...  Makes it easy and cheap to have a 
3rd/backup car hanging around.


The CDI has been a rude awakening from my $35 registrations!!

John


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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: OM60x oil light

2008-11-06 Thread Jim Cathey
My 300SDL oil light is in a random on random off mode.  This is with 
the oil level above the add mark.


Bad solder joints in the signal processing board (light driver)
will do this.  See:

http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mamerepairs.html

and

http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb190dlog.html#23Jun2006

and

http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb190dlog.html#lowoil

Got solder?  :-)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] CDI Info Goodness

2008-11-06 Thread John Robbins
I've got the W211 DVD service manual, but it doesn't cover the CDI... 
Once I figure out if I need to return it (keeping it in shrink wrap for 
now) or just order the engine manual as well, we'll have access to a 
little more info ;)


John

John Freer wrote:

Nice going, thanks John. Big file, but worth it. Now I can study this
for the next 3 years to see if I want to keep it or not after the
warranty expires!

John

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http://www.mercedestechstore.com/pdfs/331_0405update/03-331%20pp%20diesel%20print(FAH)%205-5-04.pdf

John


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Re: [MBZ] Carfax/ 454 milage

2008-11-06 Thread Curt Raymond
I think thats just older 454s. My friend's '89 had plenty of power, we hauled 
around some pretty big farm tractors with it and it never even grunted...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 23:12:13 -0600
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A 454 is like holding a 5 gallon can over the engine, and drill a 
5/16 hole in the bottom.  in short, they s uck. and they are gutless.

My favorite story is in 1979, we had just put a 392 (IH) 4 barrel in 
the old IH 1500. It had well over 300,000 miles on it at the 
time.  We were overloaded, way overloaded, going uphill, closing fast 
on a chevy pickup pulling an empty stock trailer.  He got in the 
creeper lane, and as we passed, i could see the 454 on the side of 
the truck, and it sounded like it was grunting to uphill empty.  I 
nailed the 392, opened up the back two barrels and the truck stood up 
on the ringgear and we accelerated uphill and left the gas sucking 
454 in the dust.

Those who have ridden an Earles fork BMW will understand standing up 
on the ring gear.  I loved that effect!

And we probably went twice as far on a gallon of gas!  The load was 
at least 5 tons.

At 06:30 AM 11/5/2008, you wrote:
 
  Message: 10
  Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:45:43 -0600
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  with a 350 12, with a 454, 6-8
 

Ouch- we have a 26' box truck with a 454, and that thing will do 6-7 MPG


  
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Re: [MBZ] E320 fuel/electronic question

2008-11-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

very possible.  Only way to really fix that is to have it rebuilt.

Loren Faeth wrote:
It was doing it before the throttle body transplant.  Since the TB had 
the old deteriorating insulation, it was generally believed to be the 
culprit.  It is possible the new used TB is causing the same symptom.




At 03:00 AM 11/6/2008, you wrote:

And what if the check engine light is not on?
Question is, did the funkiness happen straight after replacing the 
harness and throttle body or was it fine for a while and then start to 
do naughty stuff.

Perhaps it is a white car and is not happy with the choice of Prez.

Hendrik

Tom Hargrave wrote:

Take it down to your local Auto-Zone - I believe they have a tester that
will plug in  read out for free.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave






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Re: [MBZ] OM60x oil light

2008-11-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
the oil light has nothing to do with oil pressure, its an oil level 
guage.  If the level in the pan drops, it turns on.  Could be the sender 
on the side of the pan is going bad.


Luther wrote:
My 300SDL oil light is in a random on random off mode.  This is with the 
oil level above the add mark.  I've cleaned the connection at the oil 
pan with brake clean and Deoxit, and it didn't change anything.  Might 
this be my issue?  What other issues could there be besides the pressure 
sender?


Luther

Max Dillon wrote:

LT Don,

Regarding the behavior of your oil gauge bouncing off zero at hot 
idle, consider a new oil pressure sender.  They're about $20, takes 20 
minutes to change (on the om603, not sure about the gasser).  I was 
experiencing similar behavior on my '87 300TD, read a post on some 
forum about a new sender improving that, and sho'nuff worked like a 
charm.





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Re: [MBZ] VIN

2008-11-06 Thread andrew strasfogel
What about O or N?

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Was someone asking about build locations shown in VINs? Or am I..

 A-E Sindelfingen
 F-H Bremen
 J Rastatt
 X Graz
 T Karmann
 M Woking, England (SLR only)
 R South Africa

 Look for one of these as the 11th digit of your VIN.

 There are others but cars built elsewhere are not sold in North America.
 Vietnam, for example.

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Re: [MBZ] 115 300D still won't start

2008-11-06 Thread andrew strasfogel
Randy, if the valve adjustment DOES solve your problem please rememebr that
I was the first one who offered the diagnosis with CERTAINTY.
In my MARSHALL mode.

Andrew
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Randy, the spec is to adjust the valves at least every fall  to winter spec
 and spring to summer spec and every 5000 miles.  If you drove it all summer,
 there has been some wear, and tightening of the valve lash.  You may well
 have a combination of out of spec valves, low/no/little fuel or reversed
 lines and a slow starter/weak battery as previously detailed.

 Add some fuel/test the primer pump  (easy)
 Adjust the valves (easy, but time consuming for a couple of hours the first
 time you do it.)  Check, turn two crank revolutions, recheck, turn two crank
 revolutions, recheck
 check the battery (easy of you have the equip, or take it to FLAPS


 At 11:25 PM 11/5/2008, you wrote:

 Adchust der falfes   If you do, it should start to 20 below F.  (winter
 spec)

 At 05:20 PM 11/5/2008, you wrote:

 Fuel is less than 2 or 3 weeks old. I have not had this problem in
 previous years. When it gets below zero C I have
 trouble starting if I don't plug in but if I do, it fires up like
 summertime. This time is unusual as it has not
 been that cold yet.

 Randy

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 Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:39 PM
 To: Diesel List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 115 300D still won't start


 When was the last time you put in fuel? Maybe gelled summer fuel? An
 incandescent bulb in a trouble light under the
 hood by the IP overnight might warm it enough to find out.

 I'm still voting for valves.

 -Curt

 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:23:19 -0600
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 I checked the glow plugs etc and they appeared to be ok - the expansion
 wire glowed orange too. I had a new set so
 I put them all in but it did not help at all. I am starting to wonder if
 I have run it low on fuel. I knew I was
 getting toward the bottom of that tank given the mileage on the trip
 odometer etc but was waiting for the low fuel
 light to come on before refilling. I have about 350 miles on the tank
 according to the trip odometer. I have gone
 further than that but only in warmer weather with all highway driving.
 This tank is while it is cooler and has some
 urban driving so I may not have much left in th tank. I am wondering now
 if that light may have malfunctioned. So,
 before I dig any further, I am going to pick up a 5 gallon can of diesel
 and pour it into the tank. I might even
 change out the fuel filter as I have never done that in my 4 summers of
 driving it. I also got some of the small
 clear filters but the car did not have one originally and I have never
 put one in so I cannot crawl under and look
 for fuel or for crud in the filter either.

 My initial thought was the glow system as I drove the car on Saturday and
 it ran like normal. I went to help my
 brother-in-law do some electrical work and install a roof vent in his new
 garage. That is about 45 minutes away. I
 drove out there on Saturday morning and the car sat on the street from
 10:30 to about 8:00 PM and then started
 normally and drove fine for 45 minutes home in the dark. Maybe I am lucky
 that I made it into the garage. I did not
 use it at all on Sunday and then Monday morning, it would not start. It
 cranks and it tries to fire and it smokes a
 cloud out the back but it does not start. Will add some fuel and see if
 that resolves the problem. My recollection
 is that it may take a fair amount of cranking if there is now some air in
 the lines.

 Randy




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Re: [MBZ] OM60x oil light

2008-11-06 Thread Luther
Yeah, I should have made that clear.  I'm going to try Jim's suggestion 
and rebuild it first.


Luther

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
the oil light has nothing to do with oil pressure, its an oil level 
guage.  If the level in the pan drops, it turns on.  Could be the 
sender on the side of the pan is going bad.


Luther wrote:
My 300SDL oil light is in a random on random off mode.  This is with 
the oil level above the add mark.  I've cleaned the connection at the 
oil pan with brake clean and Deoxit, and it didn't change anything.  
Might this be my issue?  What other issues could there be besides the 
pressure sender?


Luther

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Re: [MBZ] VIN

2008-11-06 Thread Rolf
MB also sold crate delivery cars, I forgot the technical term for it but
your car could literally be built anywhere in the world. My old euro
300D was once of these. They shipped it disassembled to get around
import costs.

-Rolf

andrew strasfogel wrote:
 What about O or N?

 On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 Was someone asking about build locations shown in VINs? Or am I..

 A-E Sindelfingen
 F-H Bremen
 J Rastatt
 X Graz
 T Karmann
 M Woking, England (SLR only)
 R South Africa

 Look for one of these as the 11th digit of your VIN.

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[MBZ] 123 brake rotors

2008-11-06 Thread Curt Raymond
It just occured to me to check MercedesShop for a pictorial of this job and 
they've got one:
http://www.mercedesshop.com/Wikka/W123FrontPadsRotors

Glad I checked too, I don't have 5mm or 10mm hex head sockets. I do have allen 
wrenches but I'm guessing for the hub/rotor bolts I'll want a socket...

He doesn't do the inner bearing or seal.

I don't have replacement sensors but I'm reasonably sure I don't have any 
sensors there now... Could they have been deactivated? Would FLAPS have 
something like that or should I put it on my next Rusty list? I hope Rusty 
appreciates the boat this car is buying him...

-Curt



  
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[MBZ] 240D Upper ball joint

2008-11-06 Thread Curt Raymond
Again perusing the DIYs at Mercedes Shop.

When working on the brakes the other day on my 240D I noticed that the upper 
ball joint boot was looking crusty. I don't *think* its torn yet as I couldn't 
detect any grease on the outside of the boot. I couldn't detect any movement in 
it either.


Assuming I get the car to inspection and he condemns them (I'm a pessimist when 
it comes to inspection time) can I replace this without removing the spring? 
The Mercedesshop front end DIY sure makes it look like I can...

-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] OM60x oil light

2008-11-06 Thread Mitch Haley

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
the oil light has nothing to do with oil pressure, its an oil level 
guage.  If the level in the pan drops, it turns on.  Could be the sender 
on the side of the pan is going bad.


And then there's the delay timer that keeps the light from blinking as the oil 
sloshes around.



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[MBZ] w201 axle bolts

2008-11-06 Thread Curt Raymond
So one more Mercedesshop DIY spawned question:

I'm pretty much assured that I'm going to replace the diff in my 190D myself 
(the question is still where to get one). Do I need an XZN driver to do that? 
The writeup I found was for a 124 not a 201. I've been under there and seen the 
bolts but didn't see what type they were.
I presume XZN drivers are not Autozone parts.

-Curt



  
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[MBZ] Secret message for Kaleb

2008-11-06 Thread Curt Raymond
Carpet arrived yesterday, darker than I expected but it should work out fine, 
thanks!

BTW your price was just over half what I had been quoted by somebody else for 
one that was dirty with some cigarette burns.

-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] Carfax please

2008-11-06 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 5:18 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 invalid vin

 andrew strasfogel wrote:

 Kaleb, if you're in the mood, could you run one for me too?  VIN is
 WDBAB93AODN016852

Try WDBAB93A0DN016852.  (I changed the O to an 0 since VINs never
contain the letters O or I).

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] CDI Info Goodness

2008-11-06 Thread John Robbins

Hendrik  Fay wrote:
Lots of expensive looking bits to go wrong, like those injectors, high 
pressure pump, O2 sensor, control unit and a gazillion little sensors.

Not like the old school Diesels, eh.


No different than any Honda or Toyota you'd buy nowadays.  IMO, the 
controllers aren't a problem at all, and every vehicle you buy for the 
past 15 years has at least one O2 sensor on it.


So far, the only type of work I can't do myself or with an OBDII scanner 
is the software updates and that injector calibration code.  Most other 
typical maintenance isn't much different than the older ones. I love the 
lack of mechanical linkages and vacuum driven accessories!!


BTW have you been back and complained about the shaking or are you a 
previous Diesel customer?


Heheh, I can't say I've noticed anything ;)  Once I replace the motor 
mounts the turn off shudder will be gone and I'll be driving a gasser 
again.



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Re: [MBZ] Secret message for Kaleb

2008-11-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

good luck!!

Curt Raymond wrote:

Carpet arrived yesterday, darker than I expected but it should work out fine, 
thanks!

BTW your price was just over half what I had been quoted by somebody else for one that 
was dirty with some cigarette burns.

-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] Carfax please

2008-11-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

still says invalid

Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 5:18 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

invalid vin

andrew strasfogel wrote:

Kaleb, if you're in the mood, could you run one for me too?  VIN is
WDBAB93AODN016852


Try WDBAB93A0DN016852.  (I changed the O to an 0 since VINs never
contain the letters O or I).

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Carfax please

2008-11-06 Thread Mitch Haley

Alex Chamberlain wrote:

Try WDBAB93A0DN016852.  (I changed the O to an 0 since VINs never
contain the letters O or I).


Didn't work for me when I tried it this AM.
I've got a suggestion for carfax/autocheck requesters:
Go to autocheck.com and enter the VIN for a free check. If they come up with a 
believable description of the car (make, model, engine) then copy and paste the 
VIN to email. Then Kaleb or whoever won't be running invalid VINs.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] 240D Upper ball joint

2008-11-06 Thread John Robbins

Curt Raymond wrote:

can I replace this without removing the spring? The Mercedesshop
front end DIY sure makes it look like I can...


I've done it on a W116 without removing the spring, so I imagine its
possible on the W123.  Just make sure the control arm is supported!!

John



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Re: [MBZ] E320 fuel/electronic question

2008-11-06 Thread Gary Thompson
Nope, the 1994 was pre standard tester days. There is a test plug next
to the battery that will allow you to dump the codes stored in the
various computer subsystems. There's a built in LED for the check
engine light type functions (primarily emmisions) and standard banana
plugs for the others. Requires you to wire up a LED tester.

Take a scan through the Mercedes Shop forum. There are a couple of
posts that list the testing methodology, the home-made LED tester, and
all the trouble codes.

http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=107630


Gary Thompson
1995 E320


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 Take it down to your local Auto-Zone - I believe they have a tester that
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Re: [MBZ] w201 axle bolts

2008-11-06 Thread Christopher McCann
Actually got a 4 piece metric set at FLAPS for $4.95 a couple days ago.

Chris

P.S. Googling showed up a nice 8 piece set pretty cheap.



Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So one more Mercedesshop DIY spawned 
question:

I'm pretty much assured that I'm going to replace the diff in my 190D myself 
(the question is still where to get one). Do I need an XZN driver to do that? 
The writeup I found was for a 124 not a 201. I've been under there and seen the 
bolts but didn't see what type they were.
I presume XZN drivers are not Autozone parts.

-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] Carfax please

2008-11-06 Thread andrew strasfogel
got it!

WDBAB93A0DN016892

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Alex Chamberlain wrote:

 Try WDBAB93A0DN016852.  (I changed the O to an 0 since VINs never
 contain the letters O or I).


 Didn't work for me when I tried it this AM.
 I've got a suggestion for carfax/autocheck requesters:
 Go to autocheck.com and enter the VIN for a free check. If they come up
 with a believable description of the car (make, model, engine) then copy and
 paste the VIN to email. Then Kaleb or whoever won't be running invalid VINs.

 Mitch.



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Re: [MBZ] Secret message for Kaleb

2008-11-06 Thread andrew strasfogel
Kaleb,  you can make me a satisfied customer too by sending an invoice for
the W123 mechanical sunroof to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Don't use the gmail address.



On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 good luck!!

 Curt Raymond wrote:

  Carpet arrived yesterday, darker than I expected but it should work out
 fine, thanks!

 BTW your price was just over half what I had been quoted by somebody else
 for one that was dirty with some cigarette burns.

 -Curt



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Re: [MBZ] Carfax please

2008-11-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin


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VIN:  WDBAB93A0DN016892
Year:  1983
Make:  Mercedes-Benz
Model:  300 Series 300TD
Style/Body:  Wagon 4D
Class:  Upscale - Luxury
 Engine:  3.0L I5 FI
Country of Assembly:  Germany
Vehicle Age:  25 year(s)
Calculated Owners:  3
Last Reported
Odometer Reading:  318,000


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  318,000  08/14/2008


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0 Event(s) Reported:  6 Vehicle uses checked:
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Vehicle: 1983 Mercedes-Benz 300 Series 300TD (WDBAB93A0DN016892)
Event date  Location  Odometer reading  Data Source  Details
07/29/1987  TX  42,747  Motor Vehicle Dept.  ODOMETER READING FROM DMV
06/01/1995  DALLAS, TX   Motor Vehicle Dept.  REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
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06/01/1997  DALLAS, TX   Motor Vehicle Dept.  REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
10/16/1998  DALLAS, TX   Motor Vehicle Dept.  TITLE (Title 
#:016602892) (Lien Reported)
10/28/1998  BELLA VISTA, AR   Motor Vehicle Dept.  TITLE (Title 
#:04019836897)

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11/12/1998  BELLA VISTA, AR   Motor Vehicle Dept.  TITLE (Title 
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EVENT/RENEWAL
02/13/2002  BELLA VISTA, AR   Motor Vehicle Dept.  REGISTRATION 
EVENT/RENEWAL
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EVENT/RENEWAL

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10/15/2003  BELLA VISTA, AR   Motor Vehicle Dept.  REGISTRATION 
EVENT/RENEWAL

EXCLUDED/EXEMPT
11/03/2004  HOLTS 

Re: [MBZ] Secret message for Kaleb

2008-11-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

I think I did that once.

andrew strasfogel wrote:

Kaleb,  you can make me a satisfied customer too by sending an invoice for
the W123 mechanical sunroof to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Don't use the gmail address.



On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


good luck!!

Curt Raymond wrote:


 Carpet arrived yesterday, darker than I expected but it should work out
fine, thanks!

BTW your price was just over half what I had been quoted by somebody else
for one that was dirty with some cigarette burns.

-Curt



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[MBZ] OT netflix

2008-11-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Anybody on netflix have one of those instant player things they are 
selling that I guess downloads movies instantly from the internet? 
Though about trying one but curious if anybody else has.

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 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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[MBZ] 115 300D now running

2008-11-06 Thread R A Bennell
Thanks much to all who offered advice. I believe that I do need to adjust the 
valves but I also think that will
likely have to wait for spring. About all I hope to yet do is to change the oil 
before it gets stored for the
winter.

I think it must have been low on fuel. I picked up a 5 gallon can of diesel and 
poured it in the tank. I cranked it
a bit and I pumped the primer on the fuel filter. It took a number of tries 
over the evening as I kept running the
battery down and re-charging it but it finally started last evening about 11PM. 
I drove it to the local station and
filled it this morning and have driven it to the office. I will drive it home 
at lunch and may not drive it out of
the garage again until spring. We are expecting snow and colder temperatures so 
it is about time to put it away.

I guess my low fuel light must be having an issue. It has always worked and I 
was expecting it to come on. It did
not and I guess maybe I went a bit too far before re-filling.

Could have been worse. Learned a lesson not to rely on such contraptions. 
Unfortunately, the guage gets a bit wonky
when the level is low too so I may have to rely more on the numbers on the 
odometer.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] OT netflix

2008-11-06 Thread Rolf
My wife and I have all but tossed out satellite box out the window. We
watch netflix every night on the laptop (19 screen its a behometh). The
starz selection of movies is great. They could still work on their
selection a lot though. We are seriously considering the box and moving
the flat screen into the bedroom.

-Rolf

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 Anybody on netflix have one of those instant player things they are
 selling that I guess downloads movies instantly from the internet?
 Though about trying one but curious if anybody else has.


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Re: [MBZ] w201 axle bolts

2008-11-06 Thread Curt Raymond
Yeah Google gives a bunch of hits but Autozone and Advance Auto's websites 
don't show them.
We've got a CarQuest in town that regularly surprises me, I'll try them.

Still curious if I actually need them for the 201 though.

-Curt

--- On Thu, 11/6/08, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] w201 axle bolts
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 12:02 PM

Actually got a 4 piece metric set at FLAPS for $4.95 a couple days ago.

Chris

P.S. Googling showed up a nice 8 piece set pretty cheap.



Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So one more Mercedesshop DIY spawned 
question:

I'm pretty much assured that I'm going to replace the diff in my 190D myself 
(the question is still where to get one). Do I need an XZN driver to do that? 
The writeup I found was for a 124 not a 201. I've been under there and seen the 
bolts but didn't see what type they were.
I presume XZN drivers are not Autozone parts.

-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Upper ball joint

2008-11-06 Thread Curt Raymond
Thats what I figured, thanks!

-Curt

Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:46:37 -0600
From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Upper ball joint
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Curt Raymond wrote:
 can I replace this without removing the spring? The Mercedesshop
 front end DIY sure makes it look like I can...

I've done it on a W116 without removing the spring, so I imagine its
possible on the W123.  Just make sure the control arm is supported!!

John


  
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[MBZ] Home again

2008-11-06 Thread Bill R
The many good wishes and prayers are greatly appreciated by both of us.  It
turns out that the fluttering and kinking seen in my coronary grafts don't
seem to be causing much if any problem - though no one can say if it is
related to my chest pain.  This time my cardiologist did a pressure
differential on each side of the [thankfully very healthy] grafts and it
shows little difference - 6% drop.  Trying a new drug - I might have to get
a larger pill case.

 

I am now more than 1k emails behind, so other than the effusive
congratulations for Obama from Kaleb and Donald and some others I'll
probably have to skip most of them that I missed.  Anyone who wrote anything
of major import let me know and I'll search it out  . 

 

Back in the office chair again, if for shortened time periods  - BillR

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Re: [MBZ] w201 axle bolts

2008-11-06 Thread brian . toscano
New bolts for the axle shafts are XZN.  Old bolts are torx.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:01:03 
To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com; Christopher McCann[EMAIL 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] w201 axle bolts


Yeah Google gives a bunch of hits but Autozone and Advance Auto's websites 
don't show them.
We've got a CarQuest in town that regularly surprises me, I'll try them.

Still curious if I actually need them for the 201 though.

-Curt

--- On Thu, 11/6/08, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] w201 axle bolts
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 12:02 PM

Actually got a 4 piece metric set at FLAPS for $4.95 a couple days ago.

Chris

P.S. Googling showed up a nice 8 piece set pretty cheap.



Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So one more Mercedesshop DIY spawned 
question:

I'm pretty much assured that I'm going to replace the diff in my 190D myself 
(the question is still where to get one). Do I need an XZN driver to do that? 
The writeup I found was for a 124 not a 201. I've been under there and seen the 
bolts but didn't see what type they were.
I presume XZN drivers are not Autozone parts.

-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Upper ball joint

2008-11-06 Thread Rolf
In theory you don't even need to support the arm, but it never hurts to
be safe.

-Rolf

Curt Raymond wrote:
 Thats what I figured, thanks!

 -Curt

 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:46:37 -0600
 From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Upper ball joint
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

 Curt Raymond wrote:
   
 can I replace this without removing the spring? The Mercedesshop
 front end DIY sure makes it look like I can...
 

 I've done it on a W116 without removing the spring, so I imagine its
 possible on the W123.  Just make sure the control arm is supported!!

 John


   
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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 1985 300SD Electric Antenna ..

2008-11-06 Thread George Larribeau

snip

Yes, but you usually remove the whole thing from the car, open it up,
and peel it apart that way.

-- Jim


Good .. I will try that ...




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Re: [MBZ] w201 axle bolts

2008-11-06 Thread Curt Raymond
You wouldn't happen to know what size?

I should make a double check before I get too far into it but if I need to 
harvest a diff I should be prepared...

-Curt

--- On Thu, 11/6/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] w201 axle bolts
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 1:23 PM

New bolts for the axle shafts are XZN.  Old bolts are torx.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:01:03 
To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com; Christopher
McCann[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] w201 axle bolts


Yeah Google gives a bunch of hits but Autozone and Advance Auto's websites
don't show them.
We've got a CarQuest in town that regularly surprises me, I'll try
them.

Still curious if I actually need them for the 201 though.

-Curt

--- On Thu, 11/6/08, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] w201 axle bolts
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List
mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 12:02 PM

Actually got a 4 piece metric set at FLAPS for $4.95 a couple days ago.

Chris

P.S. Googling showed up a nice 8 piece set pretty cheap.



Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So one more Mercedesshop DIY
spawned question:

I'm pretty much assured that I'm going to replace the diff in my 190D
myself (the question is still where to get one). Do I need an XZN driver to do
that? The writeup I found was for a 124 not a 201. I've been under there and
seen the bolts but didn't see what type they were.
I presume XZN drivers are not Autozone parts.

-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] [Banned] Home again

2008-11-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Glad you are back and doing OK.  Be sure to leave all your MB;s to me in 
 your will.


Bill R wrote:

The many good wishes and prayers are greatly appreciated by both of us.  It
turns out that the fluttering and kinking seen in my coronary grafts don't
seem to be causing much if any problem - though no one can say if it is
related to my chest pain.  This time my cardiologist did a pressure
differential on each side of the [thankfully very healthy] grafts and it
shows little difference - 6% drop.  Trying a new drug - I might have to get
a larger pill case.

 


I am now more than 1k emails behind, so other than the effusive
congratulations for Obama from Kaleb and Donald and some others I'll
probably have to skip most of them that I missed.  Anyone who wrote anything
of major import let me know and I'll search it out  . 

 


Back in the office chair again, if for shortened time periods  - BillR

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Re: [MBZ] OT netflix

2008-11-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Well Im thinking they dont have anything for instant download that is 
HD, but it will play it when they come out with it.  I suppose a person 
could use it for standard def stuff and still have blu ray disks mailed.


Rolf wrote:

My wife and I have all but tossed out satellite box out the window. We
watch netflix every night on the laptop (19 screen its a behometh). The
starz selection of movies is great. They could still work on their
selection a lot though. We are seriously considering the box and moving
the flat screen into the bedroom.

-Rolf

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Anybody on netflix have one of those instant player things they are
selling that I guess downloads movies instantly from the internet?
Though about trying one but curious if anybody else has.



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Re: [MBZ] 115 300D now running

2008-11-06 Thread Mitch Haley

R A Bennell wrote:

I guess my low fuel light must be having an issue. 


Either that or the bottom half of your fuel strainer is plugged.
I assume the car was parked on the level.
Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Looking for a Glow Plug Relay

2008-11-06 Thread Trampas
I was unable to find one in my parts closet... 

Trampas

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for a Glow Plug Relay

Let me check I junked a car awhile back but not sure if I saved the relay. 

Trampas

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Subject: [MBZ] Looking for a Glow Plug Relay

Anyone have a functioning glow plug relay laying around you want to part
with?

 

0015452232 is the part number. I know you have one, Rusty. I'll check before
I part with 188 clam shells.

 

Bob R.

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Re: [MBZ] Secret message for Kaleb

2008-11-06 Thread andrew strasfogel
Yes, I am a repeat offender.

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 I think I did that once.

 andrew strasfogel wrote:

 Kaleb,  you can make me a satisfied customer too by sending an invoice for
 the W123 mechanical sunroof to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Don't use the gmail address.



 On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 good luck!!

 Curt Raymond wrote:

  Carpet arrived yesterday, darker than I expected but it should work out
 fine, thanks!

 BTW your price was just over half what I had been quoted by somebody
 else
 for one that was dirty with some cigarette burns.

 -Curt



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Re: [MBZ] 115 300D now running

2008-11-06 Thread andrew strasfogel
By all means, do change the fuel tank strainer as well.  As I have learned
with my new 320K miles 300TD, quite often there is more than one cause
contributing to a particular issue.

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 R A Bennell wrote:

 I guess my low fuel light must be having an issue.


 Either that or the bottom half of your fuel strainer is plugged.
 I assume the car was parked on the level.
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Re: [MBZ] 115 300D now running

2008-11-06 Thread George Larribeau

Either that or the bottom half of your fuel strainer is plugged.
I assume the car was parked on the level.
Mitch.




When I first got my 300SD the previous owner was not driving it much. He put 
in a new battery in it to sell it. It did all kinds of weird stuff when the 
tank was on what should be reserve. I replaced the tank screen and had to 
clean the sender unit. There was all kinds of goo. I put algae killer (from 
the boat shop) in it for about 3 months before and after the repair. It has 
been fine ever since. I can now run it to very near empty. The low fuel 
light now works fine and the screen has not re clogged.


GL
Dallas TX



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Re: [MBZ] 115 300D now running

2008-11-06 Thread R A Bennell
Yes, another thing that I have already acquired but have yet to do anything 
with. I have a box of spare parts in
the basement waiting for me. A new bottom half of the oil pan, a transmission 
filter and gasket, a tank strainer,
cam cover gasket etc. All nicely sitting there waiting for me to decide now is 
the time. I need a nice heated shop
to work in when it is cold out and I can't or won't drive the car.

Right now, it is outside in the parking lot and we are getting a messy rain 
mixed with sleet storm. Freezing rain
etc possible as it is right at the freezing mark. I just need to get home 
without some nut running into me.

We took the Accord in to have it undercoated and rust proofed with Ming this 
morning and won't get it back until
lunchtime tomorrow so wifey is driving my truck this afternoon and I had to 
take the MB out into the cold and wet.

Randy

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Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 1:38 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 115 300D now running


By all means, do change the fuel tank strainer as well.  As I have learned
with my new 320K miles 300TD, quite often there is more than one cause
contributing to a particular issue.

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 R A Bennell wrote:

 I guess my low fuel light must be having an issue.


 Either that or the bottom half of your fuel strainer is plugged.
 I assume the car was parked on the level.
 Mitch.



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Re: [MBZ] Was 300E oil, now Batteries and cold

2008-11-06 Thread ernest breakfield
the good side of that is that our sense of wages is also skewed by West 
Coast living,...   ;-)


   discussions like this are pretty much useless at the local level. 
what we've been doing for years when chatting on Ham Radio with people 
in other parts of the world is to refer to living costs as percentages 
of earnings.


   but WRT that house; 5 bedrooms in ~1900 sq.'?! hard to imagine how 
there could be room in any of those bedrooms for a bed, or room anywhere 
else in the house!



cheers!
e
n6zes


Wilton Strickland wrote:

Yeah, the $8k one is VERY likely a sorta rough fixer-upper, and your sense
of real estate values IS skewed by West Coast living, too.

Wilton

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Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was 300E oil, now Batteries and cold


  

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:47 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Wilton Strickland wrote:
  

Kincheloe AFB in the U. P. for me; and you, Harry?


Want a vacation home up there, Wilton?
It's a ghost town now, $15-25k will buy you a halfway decent place.
http://tinyurl.com/6ogh22
  

My sense of appropriate real estate prices is so skewed by living on
the West Coast my whole life that I can't tell whether this is a
mistake or not:
http://tinyurl.com/6ghucz
Looks like a bit of a fixer-upper, but $8K for five bedrooms?

Alex




  

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Re: [MBZ] 115 300D now running

2008-11-06 Thread Trampas
My dad's 300SD has similar problem, runs out of fuel with some in tank. I
told him to clean fuel sock in tank, but he feels it is easier to keep fuel
in it. 

Trampas

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Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 1:55 PM
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Subject: [MBZ] 115 300D now running

Thanks much to all who offered advice. I believe that I do need to adjust
the valves but I also think that will
likely have to wait for spring. About all I hope to yet do is to change the
oil before it gets stored for the
winter.

I think it must have been low on fuel. I picked up a 5 gallon can of diesel
and poured it in the tank. I cranked it
a bit and I pumped the primer on the fuel filter. It took a number of tries
over the evening as I kept running the
battery down and re-charging it but it finally started last evening about
11PM. I drove it to the local station and
filled it this morning and have driven it to the office. I will drive it
home at lunch and may not drive it out of
the garage again until spring. We are expecting snow and colder temperatures
so it is about time to put it away.

I guess my low fuel light must be having an issue. It has always worked and
I was expecting it to come on. It did
not and I guess maybe I went a bit too far before re-filling.

Could have been worse. Learned a lesson not to rely on such contraptions.
Unfortunately, the guage gets a bit wonky
when the level is low too so I may have to rely more on the numbers on the
odometer.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] 115 300D now running

2008-11-06 Thread R A Bennell
This is a first for me. The light has worked well and I guess that was my 
downfall. I knew the tank was getting low
but was waiting for the light to come on before filling. I did get lucky though 
in that I drove it home in the dark
for 45 minutes and pulled into the garage and then it would not start later. 
Maybe the jiggling when the vehicle is
moving keeps some fuel flowing through whatever guck might block the fuel 
pickup after it is parked. The garage
floor is pretty level so it maybe just would not feed after it sat for a bit. 
Will keep an eye on it as I suppose
it still could be some other problem but I have driven it on several short hops 
today and it has started fine every
time. Now I have the opposite problem as it is not willing to shut off when the 
weather is cold. I have to open the
hood and push down on the tab in order to get it to stop. Vacuum leak that gets 
worse when the air is colder and
the old rubber parts harder.

Randy

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Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 2:56 PM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 115 300D now running


My dad's 300SD has similar problem, runs out of fuel with some in tank. I
told him to clean fuel sock in tank, but he feels it is easier to keep fuel
in it.

Trampas

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On Behalf Of R A Bennell
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 1:55 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] 115 300D now running

Thanks much to all who offered advice. I believe that I do need to adjust
the valves but I also think that will
likely have to wait for spring. About all I hope to yet do is to change the
oil before it gets stored for the
winter.

I think it must have been low on fuel. I picked up a 5 gallon can of diesel
and poured it in the tank. I cranked it
a bit and I pumped the primer on the fuel filter. It took a number of tries
over the evening as I kept running the
battery down and re-charging it but it finally started last evening about
11PM. I drove it to the local station and
filled it this morning and have driven it to the office. I will drive it
home at lunch and may not drive it out of
the garage again until spring. We are expecting snow and colder temperatures
so it is about time to put it away.

I guess my low fuel light must be having an issue. It has always worked and
I was expecting it to come on. It did
not and I guess maybe I went a bit too far before re-filling.

Could have been worse. Learned a lesson not to rely on such contraptions.
Unfortunately, the guage gets a bit wonky
when the level is low too so I may have to rely more on the numbers on the
odometer.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] 115 300D now running

2008-11-06 Thread andrew strasfogel
Who is Ming?

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 4:11 PM, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yes, another thing that I have already acquired but have yet to do anything
 with. I have a box of spare parts in
 the basement waiting for me. A new bottom half of the oil pan, a
 transmission filter and gasket, a tank strainer,
 cam cover gasket etc. All nicely sitting there waiting for me to decide now
 is the time. I need a nice heated shop
 to work in when it is cold out and I can't or won't drive the car.

 Right now, it is outside in the parking lot and we are getting a messy rain
 mixed with sleet storm. Freezing rain
 etc possible as it is right at the freezing mark. I just need to get home
 without some nut running into me.

 We took the Accord in to have it undercoated and rust proofed with Ming
 this morning and won't get it back until
 lunchtime tomorrow so wifey is driving my truck this afternoon and I had to
 take the MB out into the cold and wet.

 Randy

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
 Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 1:38 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 115 300D now running


 By all means, do change the fuel tank strainer as well.  As I have learned
 with my new 320K miles 300TD, quite often there is more than one cause
 contributing to a particular issue.

 On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  R A Bennell wrote:
 
  I guess my low fuel light must be having an issue.
 
 
  Either that or the bottom half of your fuel strainer is plugged.
  I assume the car was parked on the level.
  Mitch.
 
 
 
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[MBZ] Anyone between Columbus, IN and Starkville, MS?

2008-11-06 Thread John Robbins
I'm going to be driving up to Columbus, IN for work and was wondering if 
there is anyone on the way or within a slight detour that would like to 
meet up?


It would be on Friday sometime...  For some reason the training is 
scheduled Tues-Thurs.  Whats up with that?


John


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Re: [MBZ] Was 300E oil, now Batteries and cold

2008-11-06 Thread Wilton Strickland
'My thought, too, that they're SMALL bedrooms.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was 300E oil, now Batteries and cold


 the good side of that is that our sense of wages is also skewed by West
 Coast living,...   ;-)

 discussions like this are pretty much useless at the local level.
 what we've been doing for years when chatting on Ham Radio with people
 in other parts of the world is to refer to living costs as percentages
 of earnings.

 but WRT that house; 5 bedrooms in ~1900 sq.'?! hard to imagine how
 there could be room in any of those bedrooms for a bed, or room anywhere
 else in the house!


 cheers!
 e
 n6zes


 Wilton Strickland wrote:
  Yeah, the $8k one is VERY likely a sorta rough fixer-upper, and your
sense
  of real estate values IS skewed by West Coast living, too.
 
  Wilton
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 5:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was 300E oil, now Batteries and cold
 
 
 
  On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:47 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Wilton Strickland wrote:
 
  Kincheloe AFB in the U. P. for me; and you, Harry?
 
  Want a vacation home up there, Wilton?
  It's a ghost town now, $15-25k will buy you a halfway decent place.
  http://tinyurl.com/6ogh22
 
  My sense of appropriate real estate prices is so skewed by living on
  the West Coast my whole life that I can't tell whether this is a
  mistake or not:
  http://tinyurl.com/6ghucz
  Looks like a bit of a fixer-upper, but $8K for five bedrooms?
 
  Alex
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 83 300D fuel starvation

2008-11-06 Thread Fmiser
 Hendrik wrote:

 It has been rumored that some of the listers have some
 knowledge about these cars, below is a question from a very
 frustrated Ozbenz member, 
~
 The car runs well downhill and on level ground, but when it is
 under full power for more than a couple of minutes (when hot
 or cold), it suffers from fuel starvation.

Tank vent mostly plugged??

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] most expensive accidents

2008-11-06 Thread Bill R
The timing is about right for my friend to have just gotten done with basic
and EWO school.  Another possibility is that this was a story going around
and told to, or taken by, the new guys as a true story.  Don't know.  I'm
going out to TX to his wedding in January, so if I think of it I will ask
him.
BillR 

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'Don't know - never heard it.  'Did hear about the wouldn't dare comment,
though.

Wilton

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Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] most expensive accidents


 Wilton Strickland wrote:
  Lemay was long gone by then.

 So do you know who did torch a B-52, or if it really happened?
 So far, the closest thing I could google up was about Lemay:

 http://ajwheat2002.us/recollectionsp11/index.html
 The boss--he's just tough, that's all. He walked out to a bomber once when
the
 ground crew was gassing it up and kept his cigar in his mouth, despite the
heavy
 fume of gas vapors. A Sergeant said General, better douse that cigar . .
. This
 ship might burn.
 It wouldn't dare, the boss growled.


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[MBZ] group really needs

2008-11-06 Thread Redghost

http://tinyurl.com/5tpuax

http://tinyurl.com/6l24nb






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Re: [MBZ] Anyone between Columbus, IN and Starkville, MS?

2008-11-06 Thread LWB250
Doing something with Cummins?

Just curious... I'm a bit far, maybe an hour away

Dan


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 Subject: [MBZ] Anyone between Columbus, IN and Starkville, MS?
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 4:34 PM
 I'm going to be driving up to Columbus, IN for work and
 was wondering if there is anyone on the way or within a
 slight detour that would like to meet up?
 
 It would be on Friday sometime...  For some reason the
 training is scheduled Tues-Thurs.  Whats up with that?
 
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[MBZ] electric trailer brakes

2008-11-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Anybody know anything about these?  The ones on my trailer are not doing 
much of anything.  Finally got to get the drum off today on one of them. 
 It has a big magnet attatched to a leaver, that when powered looks 
like it sticks to the drum, thus pulling a leaver and activating the 
brakes.  On mine, it sticks to the drum, but with not enough power it 
seems to move the leaver.  Anybody know how to fix this?  Is there a way 
to measure power being received at the magnet to see if its getting 
enough power, or does something worn out need to be replaced?  Not a 
simple matter of adjusting the shoes because the leaver is not being 
pulled anyway.

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[MBZ] Back and on the hunt for a W126

2008-11-06 Thread E M
Hi Everyone,

I'm back after a time away, and on the hunt for a gasser W126.  I've looked
at a couple, but they were a bit on the rough side, so I passed.  I have
another 420 lined up for this weekend.  I've done some reading on the need
to do the chains and tensioners at 100-150K on these cars, so one I find a
car that looks good, I'll have a PPI on it.  I found one car that is going
cheap, but no records.  Maybe not the big deal is would be with a W140,
which I'm also looking at, but still, after reading about the chains, no
records means I'm assuming some work was not done, and would be required
ASAP.

I'd have a go at doing the chain, tensioner, and guides myself, but it's
getting a bit late in the season hear to be out messing with cars.

Can anyone help with directing me to a source, or picture of a 420 taken
apart to do a timing chain job?

One other thing, is the tranny from a 560 the same as that found in the
420?  I seem to recall there were slight differences??

By the way, the old W124 gasser is still running pretty good at 345,000
kms.  Burning a bit of oil now, but on the whole, still feels really solid.
It's going to get a few new hoses, and wires before the weather really turns
here.

Hope you've all been well while I was gone, and had a great summer enjoying
your Mercs! :-)

Ed
300E
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Re: [MBZ] 83 300D fuel starvation

2008-11-06 Thread Mitch Haley

Fmiser wrote:

Tank vent mostly plugged??


I like that. All the other obvious ones are already taken care of, but if you 
run heavy load for a few minutes with inadequate tank venting, you will pull a 
vacuum. At light loads the fuel goes out slowly enough that the mostly plugged 
vent (or a slightly leaky cap) keeps up with demand.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Anyone between Columbus, IN and Starkville, MS?

2008-11-06 Thread John Robbins

LWB250 wrote:

Doing something with Cummins?


Nope, Mototron.  They make vehicle controllers (engine ECU's, etc), and 
we're most likely going to use their controllers for EcoCar. We used 
them for ChallengeX.



Just curious... I'm a bit far, maybe an hour away


Which direction?  I'm thinking of playing tourist for a little bit so if 
there is something cool in the area I might swing that way.


John


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Re: [MBZ] 115 300D now running

2008-11-06 Thread Curt Raymond
Do you think this is it for bad weather? Make sure you let the engine get good 
and warm before you really put your baby up for the winter, burn out all the 
moisture...

I'm about to do this to the motorcycles. I think my Kawasaki will go up this 
weekend, might keep the Honda out for another week or two just in case.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:11:27 -0600
From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 115 300D now running
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes, another thing that I have already acquired but have yet to do anything 
with. I have a box of spare parts in
the basement waiting for me. A new bottom half of the oil pan, a transmission 
filter and gasket, a tank strainer,
cam cover gasket etc. All nicely sitting there waiting for me to decide now is 
the time. I need a nice heated shop
to work in when it is cold out and I can't or won't drive the car.

Right now, it is outside in the parking lot and we are getting a messy rain 
mixed with sleet storm. Freezing rain
etc possible as it is right at the freezing mark. I just need to get home 
without some nut running into me.

We took the Accord in to have it undercoated and rust proofed with Ming this 
morning and won't get it back until
lunchtime tomorrow so wifey is driving my truck this afternoon and I had to 
take the MB out into the cold and wet.

Randy


  
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Re: [MBZ] OT netflix

2008-11-06 Thread Luther
Also, each major network (ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC) all have most of their 
prime time shows available in HD anytime you want it.  That's how I 
watch my TV.  The only thing that is missing is live sports...


Luther

Rolf wrote:

My wife and I have all but tossed out satellite box out the window. We
watch netflix every night on the laptop (19 screen its a behometh). The
starz selection of movies is great. They could still work on their
selection a lot though. We are seriously considering the box and moving
the flat screen into the bedroom.

-Rolf

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
  

Anybody on netflix have one of those instant player things they are
selling that I guess downloads movies instantly from the internet?
Though about trying one but curious if anybody else has.



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Re: [MBZ] Back and on the hunt for a W126

2008-11-06 Thread Rich Thomas
I have seen a couple advertised in the Charleston SC newspaper, check 
out charleston.net.


--R

E M wrote:

Hi Everyone,

I'm back after a time away, and on the hunt for a gasser W126.  I've looked
at a couple, but they were a bit on the rough side, so I passed.  I have
another 420 lined up for this weekend.  I've done some reading on the need
to do the chains and tensioners at 100-150K on these cars, so one I find a
car that looks good, I'll have a PPI on it.  I found one car that is going
cheap, but no records.  Maybe not the big deal is would be with a W140,
which I'm also looking at, but still, after reading about the chains, no
records means I'm assuming some work was not done, and would be required
ASAP.

I'd have a go at doing the chain, tensioner, and guides myself, but it's
getting a bit late in the season hear to be out messing with cars.

Can anyone help with directing me to a source, or picture of a 420 taken
apart to do a timing chain job?

One other thing, is the tranny from a 560 the same as that found in the
420?  I seem to recall there were slight differences??

By the way, the old W124 gasser is still running pretty good at 345,000
kms.  Burning a bit of oil now, but on the whole, still feels really solid.
It's going to get a few new hoses, and wires before the weather really turns
here.

Hope you've all been well while I was gone, and had a great summer enjoying
your Mercs! :-)

Ed
300E
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Re: [MBZ] electric trailer brakes

2008-11-06 Thread Fmiser
 Kaleb wrote:

 Anybody know anything about these?

They are ingeniously simple.

 The ones on my trailer are not doing much of anything.
 Finally got to get the drum off today on one of them. It has
 a big magnet attached to a leaver, that when powered looks
 like it sticks to the drum, thus pulling a leaver and
 activating the brakes.

Pretty much. The electromagnet does not actually stick to the
drum. It is just drawn to it. Because the drum is rotating,
the magnet is pulled back (or forward, if backing up...) which
pushes on the lever which pushes on the brake shoes.

  On mine, it sticks to the drum, but with not enough power
 it seems to move the leaver.

The lever and shoes need to move rather freely. If they are
rusty, or gummed up with old grease or oil, the lever won't
apply the brakes.

 Is there a way to measure power being received at the magnet
 to see if its getting enough power, or does something worn
 out need to be replaced?

You can measure the current draw on the brake wire, or measure
the resistance of the brake coil.

I have not measured the brake current draw on my trailer
(tandem 6,000 lb axles, both axles with brakes) but I just
measured the resisance at 1.3 ohms. That feels a bit high. I
was expecting it would draw more than 10 amps...

I would first make sure the mechanicals move smoothly.

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] 115 300D now running

2008-11-06 Thread R A Bennell
A chain that does undercoating, rustproofing, paint polishing etc. I didn't 
realize they were not common in the US
of A. We also have Ziebart, Rust Check and a few others. We asked for a 
recommendation at a body shop that has done
good work for us and that is who they recommended so hopefully it is a good 
place to go.

Randy

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Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 3:31 PM
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Who is Ming?

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 4:11 PM, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yes, another thing that I have already acquired but have yet to do anything
 with. I have a box of spare parts in
 the basement waiting for me. A new bottom half of the oil pan, a
 transmission filter and gasket, a tank strainer,
 cam cover gasket etc. All nicely sitting there waiting for me to decide now
 is the time. I need a nice heated shop
 to work in when it is cold out and I can't or won't drive the car.

 Right now, it is outside in the parking lot and we are getting a messy rain
 mixed with sleet storm. Freezing rain
 etc possible as it is right at the freezing mark. I just need to get home
 without some nut running into me.

 We took the Accord in to have it undercoated and rust proofed with Ming
 this morning and won't get it back until
 lunchtime tomorrow so wifey is driving my truck this afternoon and I had to
 take the MB out into the cold and wet.

 Randy

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 Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 1:38 PM
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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 115 300D now running


 By all means, do change the fuel tank strainer as well.  As I have learned
 with my new 320K miles 300TD, quite often there is more than one cause
 contributing to a particular issue.

 On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  R A Bennell wrote:
 
  I guess my low fuel light must be having an issue.
 
 
  Either that or the bottom half of your fuel strainer is plugged.
  I assume the car was parked on the level.
  Mitch.
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] electric trailer brakes

2008-11-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
mechanicals move smooth.  Doing some quick research online, it looks 
like the magnets do wear out, so maybe I need new ones.


Fmiser wrote:

Kaleb wrote:



Anybody know anything about these?


They are ingeniously simple.


The ones on my trailer are not doing much of anything.
Finally got to get the drum off today on one of them. It has
a big magnet attached to a leaver, that when powered looks
like it sticks to the drum, thus pulling a leaver and
activating the brakes.


Pretty much. The electromagnet does not actually stick to the
drum. It is just drawn to it. Because the drum is rotating,
the magnet is pulled back (or forward, if backing up...) which
pushes on the lever which pushes on the brake shoes.


 On mine, it sticks to the drum, but with not enough power
it seems to move the leaver.


The lever and shoes need to move rather freely. If they are
rusty, or gummed up with old grease or oil, the lever won't
apply the brakes.


Is there a way to measure power being received at the magnet
to see if its getting enough power, or does something worn
out need to be replaced?


You can measure the current draw on the brake wire, or measure
the resistance of the brake coil.

I have not measured the brake current draw on my trailer
(tandem 6,000 lb axles, both axles with brakes) but I just
measured the resisance at 1.3 ohms. That feels a bit high. I
was expecting it would draw more than 10 amps...

I would first make sure the mechanicals move smoothly.

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] electric trailer brakes

2008-11-06 Thread R A Bennell
Parts are readily available and not all that expensive. I was looking at some 
recently with thoughts of adding some
to my new to me boat trailer in the spring. The trailer is older and has dual 
axles etc but no brakes and the boat
is a big and heavy fiberglass inboard outboard so brakes are a good idea.

Randy

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Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 4:12 PM
To: Banned List; mercedes Mailing List
Subject: [MBZ] electric trailer brakes


Anybody know anything about these?  The ones on my trailer are not doing
much of anything.  Finally got to get the drum off today on one of them.
  It has a big magnet attatched to a leaver, that when powered looks
like it sticks to the drum, thus pulling a leaver and activating the
brakes.  On mine, it sticks to the drum, but with not enough power it
seems to move the leaver.  Anybody know how to fix this?  Is there a way
to measure power being received at the magnet to see if its getting
enough power, or does something worn out need to be replaced?  Not a
simple matter of adjusting the shoes because the leaver is not being
pulled anyway.
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  87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
  84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] group really needs

2008-11-06 Thread Hendrik Fay

That's good, you can use the mog to haul home that pile of parts.

Hendrik
who is still kicking himself for not buying a gullwing a few years back 
for AU$20K


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Re: [MBZ] 83 300D fuel starvation

2008-11-06 Thread Hendrik Fay
Thanks for all the input fellas, however the blocked vent theory sounds 
a little shaky as Tony tried the old jerry can on the passenger seat trick.

However I will pass on the suggestions.

Hendrik

Mitch Haley wrote:

Fmiser wrote:

Tank vent mostly plugged??


I like that. All the other obvious ones are already taken care of, but 
if you run heavy load for a few minutes with inadequate tank venting, 
you will pull a vacuum. At light loads the fuel goes out slowly enough 
that the mostly plugged vent (or a slightly leaky cap) keeps up with 
demand.


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Re: [MBZ] 83 300D fuel starvation

2008-11-06 Thread Hendrik Fay
Mercedes decided that Aussies could not handle the power of the turbo 
Diesels or to be more accurate the bother of fitting a turbo motor into 
a RH drive car was too much for the elves.


Hendrik

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Well the first thing I would do is clean out the ALDA line from the 
intake to the ALDA on the IP.  If that didnt work, sounds like the 
turbo is dumping the boost.  Dont forget to also check the switch on 
the firewall that is in the line between the intake and the ALDA, 
could be plugged or not working.  Bypass it for a test.






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Re: [MBZ] Back and on the hunt for a W126

2008-11-06 Thread E M
Thanks Rich.

Regards,

Ed
300E

2008/11/6 Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I have seen a couple advertised in the Charleston SC newspaper, check out
 charleston.net.

 --R

 E M wrote:

 Hi Everyone,

 I'm back after a time away, and on the hunt for a gasser W126.  I've
 looked
 at a couple, but they were a bit on the rough side, so I passed.  I have
 another 420 lined up for this weekend.  I've done some reading on the need
 to do the chains and tensioners at 100-150K on these cars, so one I find a
 car that looks good, I'll have a PPI on it.  I found one car that is going
 cheap, but no records.  Maybe not the big deal is would be with a W140,
 which I'm also looking at, but still, after reading about the chains, no
 records means I'm assuming some work was not done, and would be required
 ASAP.

 I'd have a go at doing the chain, tensioner, and guides myself, but it's
 getting a bit late in the season hear to be out messing with cars.

 Can anyone help with directing me to a source, or picture of a 420 taken
 apart to do a timing chain job?

 One other thing, is the tranny from a 560 the same as that found in the
 420?  I seem to recall there were slight differences??

 By the way, the old W124 gasser is still running pretty good at 345,000
 kms.  Burning a bit of oil now, but on the whole, still feels really
 solid.
 It's going to get a few new hoses, and wires before the weather really
 turns
 here.

 Hope you've all been well while I was gone, and had a great summer
 enjoying
 your Mercs! :-)

 Ed
 300E
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Re: [MBZ] 83 300D fuel starvation

2008-11-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Im sorry, I was thinking turbo.  You are right, RHD cars dont get it 
because there is no room for the turbo and the steering box.


Hendrik  Fay wrote:
Mercedes decided that Aussies could not handle the power of the turbo 
Diesels or to be more accurate the bother of fitting a turbo motor into 
a RH drive car was too much for the elves.


Hendrik

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Well the first thing I would do is clean out the ALDA line from the 
intake to the ALDA on the IP.  If that didnt work, sounds like the 
turbo is dumping the boost.  Dont forget to also check the switch on 
the firewall that is in the line between the intake and the ALDA, 
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 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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[MBZ] gmail

2008-11-06 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Going thru the subscriber list, I see Marshall is still subscribed, and 
receiving each message to his gmail account.  Surely somebody is getting 
them otherwise I would think they would fill up the box and start 
bouncing.  Does gmail have a limit or whats the deal?  Maybe he is 
reading them from heaven?

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 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] gmail

2008-11-06 Thread Wonko the Sane
The GMail limit is measured in gigs. Even your ramblings can't fill it up.

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Going thru the subscriber list, I see Marshall is still subscribed, and
 receiving each message to his gmail account.  Surely somebody is getting
 them otherwise I would think they would fill up the box and start bouncing.
  Does gmail have a limit or whats the deal?  Maybe he is reading them from
 heaven?
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  92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
  87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
  84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] gmail

2008-11-06 Thread Wonko the Sane
Be sure to let us know if he posts.

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Going thru the subscriber list, I see Marshall is still subscribed, and
 receiving each message to his gmail account.  Surely somebody is getting
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  Does gmail have a limit or whats the deal?  Maybe he is reading them from
 heaven?
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  92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
  87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
  84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
 http://www.okiebenz.com

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Re: [MBZ] gmail

2008-11-06 Thread Allan Streib
Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Going thru the subscriber list, I see Marshall is still subscribed,
 and receiving each message to his gmail account.  Surely somebody is
 getting them otherwise I would think they would fill up the box and
 start bouncing.  Does gmail have a limit or whats the deal?  Maybe he
 is reading them from heaven?

I think that gMail started out with 1GB mailboxes, and they have gone up
since then.  One of their marketing points was that you would never have
to delete your email (why that was perceived as a good thing I'm not
sure 99.8% of all email isn't worth saving IMO, certainly not in
something out of your control like gMail)

Allan
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