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Re: [MBZ] New 300SD -- odometer

2009-02-08 Thread barry Stark

Jim -
Oh, now I see what you were describing the other day. So I guess the fuse is
the small white plastic plug that has the black insert with the two pins
that plug into the main PC board on the back of the speedo unit? How in the
world did you figure that out? Is all that in a manual somewhere or did you
trace out the circuit.

Barry

> 
> > I still think the small drum like thing is to turn on the
> > idiot light to "request" O2 sensor replacement...an '81 car
> 
> Yes.  For a year or two that's the system they had.  The official
> factory service is to remove the dash bulb!  (Or you can reset
> the roller wheel to zero and replace the fuse in the instrument
> cluster that it blows when it rolls over, thus turning on the
> light.)
> 
> -- Jim



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[MBZ] Speaking of Corvairs

2009-02-08 Thread Tom Hargrave

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Re: [MBZ] speed ratings of tires

2009-02-08 Thread ernest breakfield


heh,... that's a trip in the Way-Back Machine!
   i once got over 10K miles on a set of A008Rs (or possibly A008RTUs), 
but it was because i had to make several thousand-mile-weekend trips 
downstate and back on them. actually seemed to me that they had gotten 
less grippy as they had gotten fairly baked, but it was hard to tell 
exactly because i was autocrossing the 'slush' series on them and 
several of those events were in the slop.



cheers!
e


E M wrote:

I used to run Yoko 008Rs years ago on my old 911.  While DOT legal for road
use, there was no wear rating on them.  If you got 5000 out of a set, you
were doing really well, and they didn't like to be cycled a lot, so while
the grip was fantastic, it would drop off with cycles.  The sidewall was so
upright and ridged, they probably inspired run flat tires. lol  Nothing
comes without a cost, and while they would hang on forever, when they did
finally decide to let go, there wasn't a lot of progression built into
them.  Woho, did you feel that coming Molly??? ;-) hee hee

Ed
300E

2009/2/8 Tom Hargrave 

  

You are probably right. A friend of mine bought one of the high performance
5 series BMWs a few years ago and his tires only lasted 9000 miles. But the
issue wasn't the speed rating, it was the rubber compound. The tires on his
BMW were Z rated!

When he went back to the Stealership for new tires, they would only mount
the originals and they explained that the replacements also had no mileage
rating.

I don't remember what brand he went to but he found an American Z rated
tire
that lasted 30,000 miles. The replacements also did not come with a mileage
warranty.

I have to admit - it is a very tight car, but the sidewalls on a Z rated
tire have almost no give.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924


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On Behalf Of E M
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:17 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] speed ratings of tires

>From what I've read about the tires originally intended for use on the
W140,
they were much softer and of higher performance.  Due to the weight and
size
of the car, they wore very fast, and the US market just wouldn't got for an
expensive tire that had to be replaced every 10,000 miles or so.  The tires
were "toughened up" for extended mileage, and the cars top end was reduced
to compensate for the lower performance rubber.

Ed
300E

2009/2/8 Tom Savage 



Tom Hargrave wrote:

  

Kaleb,

"Speed rating" is about a lot more then speed. Speed rating also affects
how
the tires handle. H rated tires have much stiffer sidewalls than S rated
tires and since the tires are an active part of a car's suspension,
downgrading from H to S rating, particularly the front tires, will have


a


negative impact on how the car handles. Downgrading also greatly reduces
front tire tread life because the more flexible sidewalls allow more


tread


to be scuffed off in turns.



What he said.  A 140 is a pretty hefty car and flimsy tires do it no
  

favors


at all.  I just put Bridgestone Turanzas on my S420 and they're about the
perfect tire for the car.  Much nicer than the Michelins they replaced,
  

or


the Contis or no-name POS tires on other 140s I've driven.

Expensive, but they have a 70k mile treadlife warranty which I expect to
collect on (these cars chew up tires pretty quickly), as long as I go
  

back


to Firestone every 6,000 miles so they can rotate them and steal my metal
valve stem caps (again).


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] speed ratings of tires

2009-02-08 Thread ernest breakfield

as i understood it, the speed rating only relates to using the tire for 
some fixed period of time (70 minutes, or something like that) before 
cooling down completely; anything longer than that is over spec.
   if, like so many MBZ drivers do, you drive your car at highway speed 
or more for more than an hour or so at a time between complete heat 
cycles, you're probably better off with a tire that is "speed rated" to 
somewhat higher than the speeds you are likely to be traveling at. 
considering the possible consequences of tire failure at speed, doesn't 
seem like the place to save a few bucks.



cheers!
e


Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
On, for example, a 140 300SD, tirerack says min speed rating is H=130 
mph.  Why do you need a tire rated that fast?  The car is never going 
to go anywhere near that fast.  It really narrows down the selection 
and raises the price.  Why cant a T=118mph tire be used?  That opens 
up alot more tire choices at cheaper prices.  This same thing could 
also be said for 124's 126 and so on.

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[MBZ] MBZ engine in a J**p (was: Re: 300d hydraulic lifters)

2009-02-08 Thread ernest breakfield

when you say "J**p", most people would ASSuME it's a 4WD; i didn't see 
anything in your post to make it clear you were talking about one of the 
rare 'neutered' models.   ;-)
   (after almost 250K miles on ours, i have no idea why anyone who 
didn't need 4WD would buy a J**p..?)



cheers!
e


Manfred G wrote:
That would probably be something to do if I had a 4wd and did a lot of 
offroad or rock crawling, but with a 2wd I haven't had a single 
problem in over 250,000 miles that we have driven it.


Manfred



Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:00:53 -0800
From: ernest breakfield 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300d hydraulic lifters
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Message-ID: <498b8bc5.6020...@backyardengineering.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"

bummer is that the J**p driveshaft is only one piece because of the
funky slip-yoke used at the rear output of the transfer case. pull that
yoke out while flexed up or break a driveshaft, and you're going to dump
all your transfer case lube on the ground out the hole at the back of
the T'Case.
this is why one of the most common serious upgrades in J**p'dom is
the Fixed Output conversion (also referred to as a Slip Yoke
Eliminator/SYE) and a double Cardan driveshaft.
if you're going to all the rest of this effort, you might as well
consider doing the Fixed Output mod to make the T'Case more trustworthy;
another bonus is that most of the better conversions will actually
shorten the tail end of the T'Case making it possible to use a longer
rear driveshaft and thereby reduce the working angles of the driveshaft
U-Joints.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: The West Wing

2009-02-08 Thread Jim Cathey


Just 'cause I can, here is a picture from last week.
Today it's all framed and roofed, including re-roofing
the house.

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This picture (original, in Rebel's minimum file size) was
265K.  The trimmed to 1/8 scale (using djpeg/cjpeg CLI tools)
attached file is 4661 bytes.  It takes about 1/3 second to
do that to this picture on this blazing 233 MHz G3.

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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: OT: I hate computers

2009-02-08 Thread Jim Cathey

Send it back, go to the local computer shop and get a Siig chip based
USB card.

Was awfully tempted, but I spent the weekend installing and
reinstalling software. Nothing really worked until I ran the
startup volume through DiskWarrior, which cleaned up mongo
directory structure errors. (That was a fun side-trip, since
I only had one CD drive and I had to run OS9 from one, and DW
was on its own CD that should have, but refused to, start the
Beige on its own. But I put the SCSI disk burner on the Beige
and used Toast from one of the IDE volumes [not the boot drive]
to cause DW to get mounted. After that DW was available. The
job took hours, though, and the laundry list of problems it found
was immense.) Once the G3's boot disk was given a clean bill
of health, the full re-install process went as it should and
the Canon EOS now shows up as an Image Capture device. Yay!

In honor of which, attached are a couple of 1/8 scaled pictures
I took with the camera.

Dime with 100mm macro:
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Notice that it uses NEC chips, which meant that it should work.
I guess it does work!

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Re: [MBZ] New 300SD -- odometer

2009-02-08 Thread Jim Cathey


I still think the small drum like thing is to turn on the
idiot light to "request" O2 sensor replacement...an '81 car


Yes.  For a year or two that's the system they had.  The official
factory service is to remove the dash bulb!  (Or you can reset
the roller wheel to zero and replace the fuse in the instrument
cluster that it blows when it rolls over, thus turning on the
light.)

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Those CL cars from Seattle

2009-02-08 Thread OK Don

Darn! got me to looking locally --
http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/102540.html
E55 AMG (2001) has the same fuel economy rating as a 124 300E --- at olny
four times the price.

One of those Pontons would be nice with an OM603 drive train ---

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Redghost  wrote:

> Bored and there seems to be a need for pretty cars from out west, so here
> you go.
>
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/1026717670.html  -- 57 Ponton  $800
>
>  <http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/1026590936.html>



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Re: [MBZ] 140 tars

2009-02-08 Thread RELNGSON

> ...From what I've read about the tires originally intended for use on the 
> W140, they were much softer and of higher performance.  Due to the weight and 
> size of the car, they wore very fast, and the US market just wouldn't got for 
> an expensive tire that had to be replaced every 10,000 miles or so.  The 
> tires were "toughened up" for extended mileage, and the cars top end was 
> reduced
> to compensate for the lower performance rubber...
> 
The 1992 140 tires were V-Rated and were included in the warranty and MB got 
sick of replacing the tires every 10-12K miles. So, they switched to H-rated 
to save money which is the reason all US models except AMGs come with H-rated 
tires and are governed at 130mph. Just like my 2008 C300 which has 25mph 
chopped off the top. Not that I've had the opportunity to drive it flat out 
although 
I did so in my '01 C320, once.

Too much supervision out there.

RLE
> 
> 




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Re: [MBZ] speed ratings of tires

2009-02-08 Thread E M

I used to run Yoko 008Rs years ago on my old 911.  While DOT legal for road
use, there was no wear rating on them.  If you got 5000 out of a set, you
were doing really well, and they didn't like to be cycled a lot, so while
the grip was fantastic, it would drop off with cycles.  The sidewall was so
upright and ridged, they probably inspired run flat tires. lol  Nothing
comes without a cost, and while they would hang on forever, when they did
finally decide to let go, there wasn't a lot of progression built into
them.  Woho, did you feel that coming Molly??? ;-) hee hee

Ed
300E

2009/2/8 Tom Hargrave 

> You are probably right. A friend of mine bought one of the high performance
> 5 series BMWs a few years ago and his tires only lasted 9000 miles. But the
> issue wasn't the speed rating, it was the rubber compound. The tires on his
> BMW were Z rated!
>
> When he went back to the Stealership for new tires, they would only mount
> the originals and they explained that the replacements also had no mileage
> rating.
>
> I don't remember what brand he went to but he found an American Z rated
> tire
> that lasted 30,000 miles. The replacements also did not come with a mileage
> warranty.
>
> I have to admit - it is a very tight car, but the sidewalls on a Z rated
> tire have almost no give.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> www.kegkits.com
> 256-656-1924
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of E M
> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:17 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] speed ratings of tires
>
> >From what I've read about the tires originally intended for use on the
> W140,
> they were much softer and of higher performance.  Due to the weight and
> size
> of the car, they wore very fast, and the US market just wouldn't got for an
> expensive tire that had to be replaced every 10,000 miles or so.  The tires
> were "toughened up" for extended mileage, and the cars top end was reduced
> to compensate for the lower performance rubber.
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> 2009/2/8 Tom Savage 
>
> > Tom Hargrave wrote:
> >
> >> Kaleb,
> >>
> >> "Speed rating" is about a lot more then speed. Speed rating also affects
> >> how
> >> the tires handle. H rated tires have much stiffer sidewalls than S rated
> >> tires and since the tires are an active part of a car's suspension,
> >> downgrading from H to S rating, particularly the front tires, will have
> a
> >> negative impact on how the car handles. Downgrading also greatly reduces
> >> front tire tread life because the more flexible sidewalls allow more
> tread
> >> to be scuffed off in turns.
> >>
> >
> > What he said.  A 140 is a pretty hefty car and flimsy tires do it no
> favors
> > at all.  I just put Bridgestone Turanzas on my S420 and they're about the
> > perfect tire for the car.  Much nicer than the Michelins they replaced,
> or
> > the Contis or no-name POS tires on other 140s I've driven.
> >
> > Expensive, but they have a 70k mile treadlife warranty which I expect to
> > collect on (these cars chew up tires pretty quickly), as long as I go
> back
> > to Firestone every 6,000 miles so they can rotate them and steal my metal
> > valve stem caps (again).
> >
> >
> > Tom
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Turbo Care

2009-02-08 Thread Luther


Where would you suggest buying a exhaust gas pyrometer?

Luther

Loren Faeth wrote:
When driving a turbo, or any Diesel for that matter, it is best to 
drive sedately until it is fully warmed up (normal oil temp, not water 
temp)  that is under 1/2, 2/3 or 3/4 throttle depending on how many 
cylinders you have.  A 4 cyl MB is in the 2/3 to 3/4 range.  and SDL 
is in the 1/2 throttle range.  When coming down after a highway run, 
you should allow the engine and turbo to cool down with about 5 min of 
coasting, idling and/or sedate driving before shutting off the 
engine.  This diminished the chances of cracks developing in the 
heads.  That was a real problem with the OM621 engines.  Finding 12 
cracks in the head was not unusual in a car that was ridden hard and 
put up wet. (one from each valve to the prechamber, and one between 
the valves.)  You can learn to control this also with an exhaust gas 
pyrometer.  I used an oil temp gauge.  It was a lot cheaper.


That is my $.02 for turbo care and Diesel care in general.  AFIK, the 
turbo in my 412k OM603 was original.  But I always warmed it up, and 
cooled it down during my time, and I think the PO did too.


Actually, it won't hurt your gassers any either.

At 05:58 PM 2/8/2009, you wrote:

Hello All -
   Was reading the tech section at the MB Owners Club site and they 
talked about how different components have various life spans.  They 
talked of a Turbo having a long life if properly maintained.   Only 
problem is, I cannot find the maintenance requirements of a turbo.  
Any idea what they expect to be done - either by the owner or by a 
stealership technician to extend the life of a turbo? .


   Thanks!

Sincerely,
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[MBZ] Those CL cars from Seattle

2009-02-08 Thread Redghost

Bored and there seems to be a need for pretty cars from out west, so  
here you go.


http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/1026717670.html  -- 57 Ponton   
$800


http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/1026590936.html - 76 207D $12k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/1026427040.html  -  91 E $650

http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/ctd/1026315909.html  -- 93 SE $4500

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/1025696780.html - GD $15k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/1025573421.html  -- 61 190 $800

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ctd/1024990502.html - 97 e320 $6k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/1025130950.html  -  95 SD $10k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/1025077405.html  - 97 e320 47k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/1024276938.html  - 62 190D

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/1024202347.html  - KLEB truck

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/1023721814.html - 66 SL 13k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/ctd/1023695737.html - SDL $3k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/cto/1022629610.html -2 Finnys 4850












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[MBZ] What to do when your hood star is stolen

2009-02-08 Thread Mitch Haley


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Re: [MBZ] Airbus Comments

2009-02-08 Thread Tom Hargrave

My understanding is that the right one stayed on the wing and they recovered
the left one.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Tom Hargrave wrote:

> The FAA's engine investigation will tell all.

I thought the engines were going to stay on the bottom of the Hudson.

Mitch.

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