[MBZ] Considering a '73 450SLC - am I crazy?
OK gang, so there's a nice-looking '73 SLC (with the small bumpers) with just over 100k for sale nearby. The last thing I need is another car, but this one is basically exactly what I'd like in terms of colour and mileage etc. As I understand it, the SLC is basically the W114 suspension components. I already have a W108 with the same engine and transmission. Those seem to be pretty reliable as gassers go. So what are the nightmares to beware of on an SLC? Did they adopt the heater fan placement from the W114? Do the windshields leak? Door seals? I know what to look for on a 123/126, but I'm not really sure where to start on a 107, let alone an SLC. Any tips would be appreciated. D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Stupid
Not being an electrical kind of guy, I did a search for UV lights and was surprised to see search results were all blacklights. OK, now I know what we're talking about ;-) So, the UV kills various kinds of mold, and germs, etc to keep the condensor clean - that''s really a great idea! Will have to try it. The filters do nothing to keep germs/mold etc from growing on the evap do they? How large/powerful does the light need to be in relaton to the evap? I have 2 HVAC systems - 1 for upstairs and 1 for downstairs. Trying to understand how many lights I'll need. I'll bet having the evap so clean really helps the performance of the system! Thanks for the info - LarryT - Original Message - From: harry watkins harry...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Stupid Yes, my bulbs are about four inches from the evap. You can install everything inside, or do like I did and install the sockets outside and drill some holes for the bulbs to be inside. This is where I got mine. A friend tells me you can find them cheaper. http://www.negativeiongenerators.com/ultraviolet.html Harry - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Stupid You installed these lights on the outlet side? Did you install them in the duct somehow? harry watkins wrote: Larry I did two things that help my HVAC system. First, I have two return inlets. One near the floor and one near the ceiling that use the same ductwork otherwise. I made a plug for the one not being used and keep a filter in the other. Summer time I suck from the ceiling and recondition the warm air up there. Winter time is reversed. Two, I installed UV lights in front of the outlet side of my evaporator and they kill germs. My evaporator is so clean I could put it on the showroom floor for sale new, uhh almost. Before I installed the UVs, I could barely see light through the evap, it had greasy looking black stuff plugging it up. I used a germ test kit before and after that indicated Yeast, Bacteria and Mold. My count before was 2, 6 and four. Six months later it was 2 and 1. Last month, two years later, it was 1 and 1. The bulbs only last two or three years so I'm checking every six months for a clue the change them out. Harry -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Keeping HVAC SYstems Clean W/UV ***** Was [Stupid\
One more question about the UV (Blacklights) - do they need to run all the time or just when the H or AC are running? I'm not looking to replace these systems anytime soon. ;-) Thx - Larry - Original Message - From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Stupid Not being an electrical kind of guy, I did a search for UV lights and was surprised to see search results were all blacklights. OK, now I know what we're talking about ;-) So, the UV kills various kinds of mold, and germs, etc to keep the condensor clean - that''s really a great idea! Will have to try it. The filters do nothing to keep germs/mold etc from growing on the evap do they? How large/powerful does the light need to be in relaton to the evap? I have 2 HVAC systems - 1 for upstairs and 1 for downstairs. Trying to understand how many lights I'll need. I'll bet having the evap so clean really helps the performance of the system! Thanks for the info - LarryT - Original Message - From: harry watkins harry...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Stupid Yes, my bulbs are about four inches from the evap. You can install everything inside, or do like I did and install the sockets outside and drill some holes for the bulbs to be inside. This is where I got mine. A friend tells me you can find them cheaper. http://www.negativeiongenerators.com/ultraviolet.html Harry - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Stupid You installed these lights on the outlet side? Did you install them in the duct somehow? harry watkins wrote: Larry I did two things that help my HVAC system. First, I have two return inlets. One near the floor and one near the ceiling that use the same ductwork otherwise. I made a plug for the one not being used and keep a filter in the other. Summer time I suck from the ceiling and recondition the warm air up there. Winter time is reversed. Two, I installed UV lights in front of the outlet side of my evaporator and they kill germs. My evaporator is so clean I could put it on the showroom floor for sale new, uhh almost. Before I installed the UVs, I could barely see light through the evap, it had greasy looking black stuff plugging it up. I used a germ test kit before and after that indicated Yeast, Bacteria and Mold. My count before was 2, 6 and four. Six months later it was 2 and 1. Last month, two years later, it was 1 and 1. The bulbs only last two or three years so I'm checking every six months for a clue the change them out. Harry -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Stupid
Larry, check out the link I provided, lots of info there. They were also easy to talk to when I had a question. Not much electrical stuff involved, I put a male plug on the pigtail and I plug it into a nearby 115AC outlet. You can wire it into the HVAC, but I choose not to. It cleans the whole duct system over time because the air is circulated past the lights many times in a week. It cleans the evaporator, not the condenser. Of course with my geo thermal system they are combined into one. I think with most regular heat pumps, the condenser is outside. I have two 16 bulbs for my 1800 sq ft house and that was overkill. I could have gotten by with two 8 bulbs. Harry Not being an electrical kind of guy, I did a search for UV lights and was surprised to see search results were all blacklights. OK, now I know what we're talking about ;-) So, the UV kills various kinds of mold, and germs, etc to keep the condensor clean - that''s really a great idea! Will have to try it. The filters do nothing to keep germs/mold etc from growing on the evap do they? How large/powerful does the light need to be in relaton to the evap? I have 2 HVAC systems - 1 for upstairs and 1 for downstairs. Trying to understand how many lights I'll need. I'll bet having the evap so clean really helps the performance of the system! Thanks for the info - LarryT - Original Message - From: harry watkins harry...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Stupid Yes, my bulbs are about four inches from the evap. You can install everything inside, or do like I did and install the sockets outside and drill some holes for the bulbs to be inside. This is where I got mine. A friend tells me you can find them cheaper. http://www.negativeiongenerators.com/ultraviolet.html Harry - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Stupid You installed these lights on the outlet side? Did you install them in the duct somehow? harry watkins wrote: Larry I did two things that help my HVAC system. First, I have two return inlets. One near the floor and one near the ceiling that use the same ductwork otherwise. I made a plug for the one not being used and keep a filter in the other. Summer time I suck from the ceiling and recondition the warm air up there. Winter time is reversed. Two, I installed UV lights in front of the outlet side of my evaporator and they kill germs. My evaporator is so clean I could put it on the showroom floor for sale new, uhh almost. Before I installed the UVs, I could barely see light through the evap, it had greasy looking black stuff plugging it up. I used a germ test kit before and after that indicated Yeast, Bacteria and Mold. My count before was 2, 6 and four. Six months later it was 2 and 1. Last month, two years later, it was 1 and 1. The bulbs only last two or three years so I'm checking every six months for a clue the change them out. Harry -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Keeping HVAC SYstems Clean W/UV ***** Was [Stupid\
Larry, I keep mine on 24/7 but they can be wired to come on when the fan is on. Mine or not black lights, they are bluish purple. Harry One more question about the UV (Blacklights) - do they need to run all the time or just when the H or AC are running? I'm not looking to replace these systems anytime soon. ;-) Thx - Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Considering a '73 450SLC - am I crazy?
David, It's an old Mercedes and will cost you lots of money to fix-up. I think you need to buy it! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of David Bruckmann Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:09 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Considering a '73 450SLC - am I crazy? OK gang, so there's a nice-looking '73 SLC (with the small bumpers) with just over 100k for sale nearby. The last thing I need is another car, but this one is basically exactly what I'd like in terms of colour and mileage etc. As I understand it, the SLC is basically the W114 suspension components. I already have a W108 with the same engine and transmission. Those seem to be pretty reliable as gassers go. So what are the nightmares to beware of on an SLC? Did they adopt the heater fan placement from the W114? Do the windshields leak? Door seals? I know what to look for on a 123/126, but I'm not really sure where to start on a 107, let alone an SLC. Any tips would be appreciated. D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.25/2019 - Release Date: 3/23/2009 6:51 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.27/2021 - Release Date: 3/24/2009 4:00 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] truck for wacko
Mitch Haley wrote: What's older, Life's been good or Curt? I think the song is by nearly ten years. Don't forget me! (24yo) ;) John the uppity young'n ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $2 sucker again
Wilton Strickland wrote: 'Used my $2 sucker this afternoon to change oil in son's '07 R320CDI. That engine takes/holds 9.5 qts. of oil, but the filter cartridge is only about the size of a small Campbell soup can. Filter is right up front on driver side and extremely easy to reach, but we had a helluva time unscrewing the cartridge holder. Somebody really cranked down on it. Top of the black plastic cartridge holder is about 3 inches in dia. We were a bit afraid we may crush it or crack it with one of those filter wrenches that squeezes harder as you put more torque on it. 'Didn't put it back quite as tight. Make sure you got the fleece filter for it! IIRC, if you need a 229.95 oil, you're supposed to use a fleece filter. If you call up Rusty you have to give him the PN, since his system doesn't pull it up. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb, were you in Charleston? Re mercedes c230
Charleston? Wrong end of the eastern seaboard for me... -Curt Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:33:15 -0500 From: Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kaleb, were you in Charleston? Re mercedes c230 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 61dfb08b0903241933q1a144be8mdc72f295b7f45...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 No, that was probably Curt. 2009/3/24 Rich Thomas rich.tho...@pdq.net http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1089006649.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090324/fffde46a/attachment.html -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/1a4b8bef/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $2 sucker again
You got it. Wilton - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] $2 sucker again Are you suggesting things have become a bit more plastic since the W123? On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Wilton Strickland wilt...@nc.rr.comwrote: Top of the black plastic cartridge holder is about 3 inches in dia. We were a bit afraid we may crush it or crack it with one of those filter wrenches that squeezes harder as you put more torque on it. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090324/57 faf0d4/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Portland, Ore. CL junk Benz roundup
'Coulda made a fortune if I'd saved the wheels from Daddy's two-horse (really, two-MULE) farm wagon 'til now and had 'em chromed for some fool to put on a pimped Mercedes. ;))) Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Portland, Ore. CL junk Benz roundup Alex Chamberlain wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/1089097768.html - Friend of Wilton's? ;) It's got those wheels that Wilton loves so much Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] More on 350SD
OK I am still obsessing. Found this official 126 site, http://www.s-klasse-club.de/gb/index.html wherein it says: *Diesel:* The Diesel versions were only produced for the North American export market. Over here, they are quite rare, therefore we have only limited information about their performance. Even the best MB workshops generally do not know how to handle these cars when they require service. More often than that, spare parts for these cars are sought in 123 spare parts lists, not always the most reliable source. Most 126 diesels in Europe are privately converted gasoline engine versions. We have to advise against those: Quality of such projects is hard to describe! Those who are looking for an original diesel should look for the telltale US markings: Combined mileage/kilometer counter, fat bumpers front and rear, English text on switches, VIN plate visible through the front windshield and the characteristic sealed beam headlights and taillights with integrated running lights. The diesel was available in three main engine variants: the 5-cylinder OM617 300SD Turbo diesel (until 1985), the 6-cylinder OM603 300SDL turbo diesel (only available as long wheelbase version) and the 6-cylinder OM603 350SD turbo diesel. We have to advice against the 350SD because of its tendency to develop cracks in the cylinder head. Best buy is the 300SDL, both because of the long wheelbase option and the better performance (145 HP against 120 HP of the OM617). So, this car I looked at supposedly had a bad head gasket, this seems to suggest cracking head could be a problem. Anyone have an (relevant) opinion? If I got this thing would it be a boat anchor, or if the head is indeed cracked, would a good one be findable? --R -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/8f7ed624/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Considering a '73 450SLC - am I crazy?
Me to!!! Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Considering a '73 450SLC - am I crazy? David, It's an old Mercedes and will cost you lots of money to fix-up. I think you need to buy it! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of David Bruckmann Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:09 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Considering a '73 450SLC - am I crazy? OK gang, so there's a nice-looking '73 SLC (with the small bumpers) with just over 100k for sale nearby. The last thing I need is another car, but this one is basically exactly what I'd like in terms of colour and mileage etc. As I understand it, the SLC is basically the W114 suspension components. I already have a W108 with the same engine and transmission. Those seem to be pretty reliable as gassers go. So what are the nightmares to beware of on an SLC? Did they adopt the heater fan placement from the W114? Do the windshields leak? Door seals? I know what to look for on a 123/126, but I'm not really sure where to start on a 107, let alone an SLC. Any tips would be appreciated. D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.25/2019 - Release Date: 3/23/2009 6:51 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.27/2021 - Release Date: 3/24/2009 4:00 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Portland, Ore. CL junk Benz roundup
Around my neighborhood I see quite a few SELs that are in pretty nice shape but most have pimp wheels. They are owned by, how would I say this in a politically correct way, people of color, the Gullah folk who comprise most of my neighbors.. While the cars are well-taken-car of, and I relate well to their interest in these fine cars, I just don't get the whole thing with the pimp wheels. There seems to be a pre-occupation with flash and bling among the demographic, most of whom live in shacks and trailers, and have more money in their wheels than in the bank I am sure. I guess it is just a matter of priorities. ---R Wilton Strickland wrote: 'Coulda made a fortune if I'd saved the wheels from Daddy's two-horse (really, two-MULE) farm wagon 'til now and had 'em chromed for some fool to put on a pimped Mercedes. ;))) Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Portland, Ore. CL junk Benz roundup Alex Chamberlain wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/1089097768.html - Friend of Wilton's? ;) It's got those wheels that Wilton loves so much Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/c51b9c36/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $2 sucker again
Son showed me a document that specifies 229.51 oil for it. He put Valvoline synth Diesel, etc., in it. I asked him, What happened to Mobil 1? 'Said he couldn't find it; went to stealer for oil and filter; guy at stealer desk told 'im they've switched to Valvoline. I told 'im to let get filters from Rusty, we'll look for appropriate Mobil 1. I get MY Mobil 1 at Wally's, BTW. Wilton - Original Message - From: John Robbins je...@msstate.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] $2 sucker again Wilton Strickland wrote: 'Used my $2 sucker this afternoon to change oil in son's '07 R320CDI. That engine takes/holds 9.5 qts. of oil, but the filter cartridge is only about the size of a small Campbell soup can. Filter is right up front on driver side and extremely easy to reach, but we had a helluva time unscrewing the cartridge holder. Somebody really cranked down on it. Top of the black plastic cartridge holder is about 3 inches in dia. We were a bit afraid we may crush it or crack it with one of those filter wrenches that squeezes harder as you put more torque on it. 'Didn't put it back quite as tight. Make sure you got the fleece filter for it! IIRC, if you need a 229.95 oil, you're supposed to use a fleece filter. If you call up Rusty you have to give him the PN, since his system doesn't pull it up. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $2 sucker again
Wilton Strickland wilt...@nc.rr.com writes: Son showed me a document that specifies 229.51 oil for it. He put Valvoline synth Diesel, etc., in it. I asked him, What happened to Mobil 1? 'Said he couldn't find it; went to stealer for oil and filter; guy at stealer desk told 'im they've switched to Valvoline. I told 'im to let get filters from Rusty, we'll look for appropriate Mobil 1. I get MY Mobil 1 at Wally's, BTW. I was at Wal-Mart last night, actually, looking for M1 for a couple of my other cars, and their stock and variety are both GREATLY reduced. All they had in the 5 quart bottles was 5w30. Hope it's a temporary shortage. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] More on 350SD
6-cylinder OM603 350SD turbo diesel. We have to advice against the 350SD because of its tendency to develop cracks in the cylinder head. Best buy is the 300SDL, both because of the long wheelbase option and the better performance (145 HP against 120 HP of the OM617). So, this car I looked at supposedly had a bad head gasket, this seems to suggest cracking head could be a problem. Anyone have an (relevant) opinion? If I got this thing would it be a boat anchor, or if the head is indeed cracked, would a good one be findable? 300SDL heads crack, 350SDL rods bend. 350 heads on 300 bottoms is what works. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Stupid
Not being an electrical kind of guy, I did a search for UV lights and was surprised to see search results were all blacklights. Try 'germicidal'. That's what they call them. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Considering a '73 450SLC - am I crazy?
So what are the nightmares to beware of on an SLC? Did they adopt the heater fan placement from the W114? Do the windshields leak? Door seals? I know what to look for on a 123/126, but I'm not really sure where to start on a 107, let alone an SLC. Many SLC body parts are special to only the SLC. Such as glass, trim bits, etc. May extend to door seals as well. Windshields are glued in, not particularly prone to leaking but can of course. 107's are rust magnets, so watch out. D-Jet has extra fun, I don't have one yet but beware of fuel leaks and resultant fires. (Tend to underhood fuel rubber in other words.) Heater fan is easy to get to, it's under a hatch accessed from underhood. For the right price I'd certainly consider one. Fuel economy will not be great. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Considering a '73 450SLC - am I crazy?
One of these days, there will be so few unrusted SLCs left on the planet that they will actually start to appreciate. Until then, STAY AWAY! I restored a 1978 SL C, and it was money POORLY spent! Filling the dash cracks and redying the seats and vinyl dash was no fun, and the dyed portions of the plastic peeled off :(( These cars rust if you breathe on them, and the engines regularly need an expensive valve job before 200K miles, when they start to seriously burn some oil. The fuel economy sucks, and the plastic interiors are brittle and prone to breakage. The peeling paint on the rear quarter window louvers are another joy to fix - NOT. That being said, they are quite distinctive and almost beautiful. If I had room to store one I would purchase the LATEST possible example (1981 380SL C) in showroom condition and coddle the hell out of it as an investment. I would pay up to $15 K for a perfect example with under 100+K miles, fully documented. To restore a rusty and/or beat up SL C would easily cost more. My 2 cents. Andrew Former SL C victim On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: So what are the nightmares to beware of on an SLC? Did they adopt the heater fan placement from the W114? Do the windshields leak? Door seals? I know what to look for on a 123/126, but I'm not really sure where to start on a 107, let alone an SLC. Many SLC body parts are special to only the SLC. Such as glass, trim bits, etc. May extend to door seals as well. Windshields are glued in, not particularly prone to leaking but can of course. 107's are rust magnets, so watch out. D-Jet has extra fun, I don't have one yet but beware of fuel leaks and resultant fires. (Tend to underhood fuel rubber in other words.) Heater fan is easy to get to, it's under a hatch accessed from underhood. For the right price I'd certainly consider one. Fuel economy will not be great. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/6cc9d5f9/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Considering a '73 450SLC - am I crazy?
andrew strasfogel wrote: One of these days, there will be so few unrusted SLCs left on the planet that they will actually start to appreciate. Like the SLs from the 1960's? IIRC, those things were next to worthless in 1980. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Considering a '73 450SLC - am I crazy?
AFAIK, the market for W1113 SLs has never crashed. They have always been worth at least $10K as long as they are in reasonable condition. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: One of these days, there will be so few unrusted SLCs left on the planet that they will actually start to appreciate. Like the SLs from the 1960's? IIRC, those things were next to worthless in 1980. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/c3389e40/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Considering a '73 450SLC - am I crazy?
andrew strasfogel wrote: One of these days, there will be so few unrusted SLCs left on the planet that they will actually start to appreciate. Until then, STAY AWAY! I restored a 1978 SL C, and it was money POORLY spent! Filling the dash cracks and redying the seats and vinyl dash was no fun, and the dyed portions of the plastic peeled off :(( These cars rust if you breathe on them, and the engines regularly need an expensive valve job before 200K miles, when they start to seriously burn some oil. Can you imagine if somebody tried to condemn a 1978 Chevy for burning oil before reaching 200,000 miles? My parents got 145,000 miles out of a 1977 Nova (250 I-6 3sp) and it was still a reliable car when they sold it. That was considered a minor miracle at the time. Most people were happy to scrap a car at 60,000 miles and ecstatic if it reached 100,000. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Reviving a w115 300-D
Hi, I swapped out the motor several times on my 1975 W115 300D a few years back. I was swapping engines between my 1975 and my 1976, and then (long story) I ended up swapping them back so probably a total of 3 removals and two installations. I was given a tip: you don't need an engine tilting mechanism. Leave the tranny attached, then lift the engine by using a strap around the engine just behind the oil sump. I used a cherry picker crane hoist. The weight of the tranny gives the engine an almost perfect tilt to clear the firewall, front end and front grill assembly. I did it singlehandedly in my garage, and I couldn't believe how easy it was. The first time it took me less than 10 mins to maneuver it out. The biggest problem I had was, while moving around the car checking all the clearances, I knocked over my coffee mug. Twice! :) I did use a little scissor jack under the tranny for support. And installation is the reverse of removal, of course. One of the MB manuals---maybe Chilton's, I'm not sure--- has a pic of the process with the strap attached correctly. That properly positioned strap made the job a piece of cake. BTW, I wish I had swapped in the block heater from the '76 to the '75 at the time, but that remains a project for. manana. Or maybe the day after manana. :) Tom Schuch 1975 W115 300D and a few BMWs SE Connecticut Message: 14 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:56:57 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Reviving a w115 300-D To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 437bc980903241956s37bd58f6qbbb84cd125b0...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I found it easier to attach the tranny outside the car, then install the whole assembly- AFTER I got one of those engine tilting hoist accessories! If you have the transmission attached, it will act as a lever to keep the whole assembly from flopping. You just need to have someone hold the front of the engine to make sure it stays upright. -- OK Don W124 Diesels KD5NRO -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090324/724facae/attachment.html _ Windows Live™ SkyDrive: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_032009 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/c70b5425/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] More on 350SD
So what would the numbers be on the offending and acceptable parts? Here is what http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W126 says W126.125 1986-1987 300 SDL OM603.961 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_OM603 3.0L straight-6 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight-6 diesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel W126.134 1991 350 SD OM603.97 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_OM603 3.5L straight-6 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight-6 diesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel W126.135 1990-1991 350 SDL OM603.97 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_OM603 3.5L straight-6 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight-6 diesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel I went back and looked at the car, it is in very good shape, 185k on it, built 12/90. Offered $750, guy says he wants $1k, and if it was him he would put a new engine in it (he owns a garage, doing that would be no problem, he probably knows then he would have more in it than it is worth). We talked about that a bit, he thinks the car minus good engine is worth $1k because it is in good shape otherwise. I figure by the time you dick around with the engine, whether a new one entirely or pulling the head and checking that out, you're into $2k territory, and no one is buying anything now, so that would be a crapshoot, then if you gotta do the whole engine transplant... I don't know, I'll think on it some more. With a good original engine it would be worth a lot more I would think, but the market as it is... --R Jim Cathey wrote: 6-cylinder OM603 350SD turbo diesel. We have to advice against the 350SD because of its tendency to develop cracks in the cylinder head. Best buy is the 300SDL, both because of the long wheelbase option and the better performance (145 HP against 120 HP of the OM617). So, this car I looked at supposedly had a bad head gasket, this seems to suggest cracking head could be a problem. Anyone have an (relevant) opinion? If I got this thing would it be a boat anchor, or if the head is indeed cracked, would a good one be findable? 300SDL heads crack, 350SDL rods bend. 350 heads on 300 bottoms is what works. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/d88d35ec/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] filter
...'Used my $2 sucker this afternoon to change oil in son's '07 R320CDI. That engine takes/holds 9.5 qts. of oil, but the filter cartridge is only about the size of a small Campbell soup can. Filter is right up front on driver side and extremely easy to reach, but we had a helluva time unscrewing the cartridge holder. Somebody really cranked down on it. Top of the black plastic cartridge holder is about 3 inches in dia. We were a bit afraid we may crush it or crack it with one of those filter wrenches that squeezes harder as you put more torque on it. 'Didn't put it back quite as tight... I think that filter assembly has been used on most models for the last ten years. My friend JB's '99 CLK 430 filter and cartridge is the same as my '01 and '08 models although the fleece filter came along later but is required for long-interval oil changes. I have used the same cap style 1/4 inch drive wrench' since my 201 days. RLE ** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/4800fb3e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $2 sucker again
I was at Advance Auto the other day getting a replacement caliper for my 240D, and happened to poke around for oil. They didn't have any 5w40 in the oil section but did have it in the Diesel oil section along with 15w40 etc... I don't shop at Wally's for anything. The extra pennies per quart are worth it for me for never going to Wallys... -Curt Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:31:17 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] $2 sucker again To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: m1iqlxeksq@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wilton Strickland wilt...@nc.rr.com writes: Son showed me a document that specifies 229.51 oil for it. He put Valvoline synth Diesel, etc., in it. I asked him, What happened to Mobil 1? 'Said he couldn't find it; went to stealer for oil and filter; guy at stealer desk told 'im they've switched to Valvoline. I told 'im to let get filters from Rusty, we'll look for appropriate Mobil 1. I get MY Mobil 1 at Wally's, BTW. I was at Wal-Mart last night, actually, looking for M1 for a couple of my other cars, and their stock and variety are both GREATLY reduced. All they had in the 5 quart bottles was 5w30. Hope it's a temporary shortage. Allan -- 1983 300D -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/a0014443/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Considering a '73 450SLC - am I crazy?
Yeah, I know, we are really spoiled. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: One of these days, there will be so few unrusted SLCs left on the planet that they will actually start to appreciate. Until then, STAY AWAY! I restored a 1978 SL C, and it was money POORLY spent! Filling the dash cracks and redying the seats and vinyl dash was no fun, and the dyed portions of the plastic peeled off :(( These cars rust if you breathe on them, and the engines regularly need an expensive valve job before 200K miles, when they start to seriously burn some oil. Can you imagine if somebody tried to condemn a 1978 Chevy for burning oil before reaching 200,000 miles? My parents got 145,000 miles out of a 1977 Nova (250 I-6 3sp) and it was still a reliable car when they sold it. That was considered a minor miracle at the time. Most people were happy to scrap a car at 60,000 miles and ecstatic if it reached 100,000. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/4dab06da/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] no glow plug light/hard starts; glow plug time? - '85 300D
thanks for all the input, guys. looks like i'll be doing glow plugs soon. i vaguely recall hearing something about needing to ream out the area around the Glow Plugs when changing them out; is that correct? if so, does this require some special tool, or is there something else i could use that would do the job properly? cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] no glow plug light/hard starts; glow plug time? - '85 300D
hi! no, the glow plug doesn't flash; never has. i don't recall reading anything about flashing in the owners manual (yes, i have one, and i actually read the dang things!); is this something an '85 617 should do? cheers! e Peter Frederick wrote: Yup, one or more dead plugs. Replace the set, if one is dead, more are going bad from the same thing. Does the glow plug light flash after you crank? If not, you have more than one out. Peter On Mar 23, 2009, at 6:07 PM, ernest breakfield wrote: hi all! just in time for some of the coolest weather we've had here lately, the Glow Plug Light on our '85 300D isn't lighting, and cold starts have suddenly become a fairly lengthy affair of several long cranking attempts accompanied by a bit of whitish smoke immediately following its eventual start-up. (smoke is an unusual occurrence for this rig, since it eats almost exclusively B99.) if i leave the key in the 'Glow' position for long enough before starting, i eventually (~45 secs) hear a resounding 'click' from the area of the Glow Relay, so is it safe to ASSuME it's just time for 2 or more glow plugs? what's the best way to check to verify exactly what the problem is? is there perhaps a handy diagnostic write-up somewhere online someone can recommend and point me to? cheers! e -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090323/87b8c99f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/1d431bd7/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $2 sucker again
I would like not going to Wally's, too, but I've gone there reluctantly the last several years to get Mobil 1; 'glad to have it available nearby when I need it. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] $2 sucker again I was at Advance Auto the other day getting a replacement caliper for my 240D, and happened to poke around for oil. They didn't have any 5w40 in the oil section but did have it in the Diesel oil section along with 15w40 etc... I don't shop at Wally's for anything. The extra pennies per quart are worth it for me for never going to Wallys... -Curt Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:31:17 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] $2 sucker again To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: m1iqlxeksq@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wilton Strickland wilt...@nc.rr.com writes: Son showed me a document that specifies 229.51 oil for it. He put Valvoline synth Diesel, etc., in it. I asked him, What happened to Mobil 1? 'Said he couldn't find it; went to stealer for oil and filter; guy at stealer desk told 'im they've switched to Valvoline. I told 'im to let get filters from Rusty, we'll look for appropriate Mobil 1. I get MY Mobil 1 at Wally's, BTW. I was at Wal-Mart last night, actually, looking for M1 for a couple of my other cars, and their stock and variety are both GREATLY reduced. All they had in the 5 quart bottles was 5w30. Hope it's a temporary shortage. Allan -- 1983 300D -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/a0 014443/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $2 sucker again
Wilton Strickland wilt...@nc.rr.com writes: I would like not going to Wally's, too, but I've gone there reluctantly the last several years to get Mobil 1; 'glad to have it available nearby when I need it. I like Wal-Mart, only problem is it's way across town so I don't go there often. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Meet George Jetson!
It's here http://sliceofmit.wordpress.com/2009/03/19/flying-car/?tr=yauid=4663271 The future I have been waiting for! Now, when electricity is too cheap to meter, I'll have finally arrived at The Future! --R (The Future is fun! The Future is fair! You may already have won! You may already be there!) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 124 parking brake RR
Any special tricks to pulling and replacing the parking brake shoes on a 124? That seems to be the next job I am up to . I printed out the job 42-0530, but I am looking for experience without using the official tools, and what works. I didn't have much luck so far with a screwdriver in place of the special tools. Anyone have pictures of the special tools? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Meet George Jetson!
Do that with a 240D and you might be able to fly coast to coast w/out stopping to refuel. Or maybe not. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: It's here http://sliceofmit.wordpress.com/2009/03/19/flying-car/?tr=yauid=4663271 The future I have been waiting for! Now, when electricity is too cheap to meter, I'll have finally arrived at The Future! --R (The Future is fun! The Future is fair! You may already have won! You may already be there!) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/0254415b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Wal-Mart (was: $2 sucker again)
Speaking of Wal-Mart this is kinda fun http://projects.flowingdata.com/walmart/ Allan Wilton Strickland wilt...@nc.rr.com writes: I would like not going to Wally's, too, but I've gone there reluctantly the last several years to get Mobil 1; 'glad to have it available nearby when I need it. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] no glow plug light/hard starts; glow plug time? - '85 300D
There is a Mercedes-approved tool for this task. I think it is called a pre-chamber reamer. I used a wood dowel to probe around and knock off soot deposits. Seemed to work fine and didn't look to be much different than the Mercedes-approved tool. Just much less expensive. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:49 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: thanks for all the input, guys. looks like i'll be doing glow plugs soon. i vaguely recall hearing something about needing to ream out the area around the Glow Plugs when changing them out; is that correct? if so, does this require some special tool, or is there something else i could use that would do the job properly? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/b6e38a89/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Was Stupid, Now HVAC discussion
Well, you can't argue with results - which you seem to be getting! On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:33 PM, harry watkins harry...@bellsouth.netwrote: Actually I just followed the instructions that came with the unit. They also suggested to place reflective material inside all around the bulbs to provide more exposure. I shoo gooed some 1/8 insulation material that was sandwiched between padded aluminum, very shinny. Harry Wouldn't you want to kill the germs before they go through the evap.? If it's clean now, how does killing germs after they've blown through help? Or have you killed all the germs in the house so that none are being sucked intp the return air now? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don W124 Diesels KD5NRO -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/b26b6935/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Reviving a w115 300-D
Yup - I've done it both ways, perfer the easy way now that I'm old. When we changed our '82 240D from 4 cylinders to 5, I had the engine and transmission on the ground and installed a block heater where none had been before. Then I rigged it up with a chain connected to a hoist and put it in the engine bay. We had a rope attached to the back of the transmission that went out behind the car. On a slightly sloping driveway with the front of the car pointing downhill, a friend and I man handled the hoist and the front of the engine while Shirley pulled on the rope at the rear, sitting on the ground with her feet braced on the rear bumper. It worked OK. But you're right, it would have been easier with one of those engine tilting jobbies. Craig -- OK Don W124 Diesels KD5NRO -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/e45103d4/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Keeping HVAC SYstems Clean W/UV ***** Was [Stupid\
I suspect that they're just UV lights without the visible spectrum filter that makes the others black lights.- Mine or not black lights, they are bluish purple. Harry -- OK Don W124 Diesels KD5NRO -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/966269a5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] More on 350SD
the 300SDL cracks heads, the 350 bends rods Rich Thomas wrote: OK I am still obsessing. Found this official 126 site, http://www.s-klasse-club.de/gb/index.html wherein it says: *Diesel:* The Diesel versions were only produced for the North American export market. Over here, they are quite rare, therefore we have only limited information about their performance. Even the best MB workshops generally do not know how to handle these cars when they require service. More often than that, spare parts for these cars are sought in 123 spare parts lists, not always the most reliable source. Most 126 diesels in Europe are privately converted gasoline engine versions. We have to advise against those: Quality of such projects is hard to describe! Those who are looking for an original diesel should look for the telltale US markings: Combined mileage/kilometer counter, fat bumpers front and rear, English text on switches, VIN plate visible through the front windshield and the characteristic sealed beam headlights and taillights with integrated running lights. The diesel was available in three main engine variants: the 5-cylinder OM617 300SD Turbo diesel (until 1985), the 6-cylinder OM603 300SDL turbo diesel (only available as long wheelbase version) and the 6-cylinder OM603 350SD turbo diesel. We have to advice against the 350SD because of its tendency to develop cracks in the cylinder head. Best buy is the 300SDL, both because of the long wheelbase option and the better performance (145 HP against 120 HP of the OM617). So, this car I looked at supposedly had a bad head gasket, this seems to suggest cracking head could be a problem. Anyone have an (relevant) opinion? If I got this thing would it be a boat anchor, or if the head is indeed cracked, would a good one be findable? --R -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/8f7ed624/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Reviving a w115 300-D
you are correct, that is exactly how you do it on the diesels in a 115 or earlier car. In the later cars, they provide lift points up top. tom tomscat wrote: Hi, I swapped out the motor several times on my 1975 W115 300D a few years back. I was swapping engines between my 1975 and my 1976, and then (long story) I ended up swapping them back so probably a total of 3 removals and two installations. I was given a tip: you don't need an engine tilting mechanism. Leave the tranny attached, then lift the engine by using a strap around the engine just behind the oil sump. I used a cherry picker crane hoist. The weight of the tranny gives the engine an almost perfect tilt to clear the firewall, front end and front grill assembly. I did it singlehandedly in my garage, and I couldn't believe how easy it was. The first time it took me less than 10 mins to maneuver it out. The biggest problem I had was, while moving around the car checking all the clearances, I knocked over my coffee mug. Twice! :) I did use a little scissor jack under the tranny for support. And installation is the reverse of removal, of course. One of the MB manuals---maybe Chilton's, I'm not sure--- has a pic of the process with the strap attached correctly. That properly positioned strap made the job a piece of cake. BTW, I wish I had swapped in the block heater from the '76 to the '75 at the time, but that remains a project for. manana. Or maybe the day after manana. :) Tom Schuch 1975 W115 300D and a few BMWs SE Connecticut Message: 14 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:56:57 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Reviving a w115 300-D To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 437bc980903241956s37bd58f6qbbb84cd125b0...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I found it easier to attach the tranny outside the car, then install the whole assembly- AFTER I got one of those engine tilting hoist accessories! If you have the transmission attached, it will act as a lever to keep the whole assembly from flopping. You just need to have someone hold the front of the engine to make sure it stays upright. -- OK Don W124 Diesels KD5NRO -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090324/724facae/attachment.html _ Windows Live™ SkyDrive: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_032009 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/c70b5425/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] More on 350SD
The '86-'87 300SDL with the OM603.961 tends to crack the original head (#14) if overheaded. I had one with well over 250k miles that was fine. The '90-'91 350SD and 350SDL have the OM603.97x engine that bends rods, but has the new head (I forget the number - higher than #17?). The best combination is a 603.961 engine with the later head from a 603.97x, or new from Rusty. I don't think that a car with a known bad engine is worth more than $500 today. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: So what would the numbers be on the offending and acceptable parts? -- OK Don W124 Diesels KD5NRO -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/737f7105/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Timewaster but entertaining
Lots of good short videos. Quite humorous http://owmysweeteyes.blogspot.com/ Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Considering a '73 450SLC - am I crazy?
It's a great driving car when the suspension is right. the '73 will have about as much power as the latest 560SL. Fuel economy will suck. It won't have the crappy ACC system - that's a plus. If it's in good shape, and not rusting, go for it. Wash out the insides of the fenders - over the headlight buckets indies the front fenders, and inside the rockers behind the rear wheels OFTEN if they aren't rusting yet. Don't let the sunfoor leak - it will rust the floor pans. I loved driving my '78 450SLC, but I just couldn't get over the gasoline enigne, even though I did a top and front end rebuild of the engine. Love Diesels more -- -- OK Don W124 Diesels KD5NRO -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/3c32a7a7/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wal-Mart (was: $2 sucker again)
Wonder what it looks like on a world map - they're most everywhere ow. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Speaking of Wal-Mart this is kinda fun http://projects.flowingdata.com/walmart/ -- OK Don W124 Diesels KD5NRO -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/50e15729/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Reviving a w115 300-D
My '76 115s had lift points on top On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: you are correct, that is exactly how you do it on the diesels in a 115 or earlier car. In the later cars, they provide lift points up top. -- OK Don W124 Diesels KD5NRO -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/5e9a1a4c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Reviving a w115 300-D
never seen the lift points on a 115, you sure about that? OK Don wrote: My '76 115s had lift points on top On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: you are correct, that is exactly how you do it on the diesels in a 115 or earlier car. In the later cars, they provide lift points up top. -- OK Don W124 Diesels KD5NRO -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/5e9a1a4c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Reviving a w115 300-D
Yes - all three of the 617 engined 115s I had (all '76) had them - a loop cast in to the rear plate and a bracket with a hole at the front of the engine. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: never seen the lift points on a 115, you sure about that? -- OK Don W124 Diesels KD5NRO -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/2ce77a13/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] I saw
an SLR today, a black one. It looked pretty cool coming at me on the road. Wonder if it is the same guy who owns the Lambo and DB9 convertible I saw on Saturday. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 300E question
The power steering reservoir is low. What fluid do I use? Just power steering fluid or something more esoteric? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/cbff4277/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E question
I thought they used tranny fluid? --R Wonko the Sane wrote: The power steering reservoir is low. What fluid do I use? Just power steering fluid or something more esoteric? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/cbff4277/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E question
Don't know. I think my that is what my 240D takes. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I thought they used tranny fluid? --R Wonko the Sane wrote: The power steering reservoir is low. What fluid do I use? Just power steering fluid or something more esoteric? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/cbff4277/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/2c529fd0/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E question
Yea, I am an idiot. Just found it in a different section of the owner's manual. ATF. 2009/3/25 Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com Don't know. I think my that is what my 240D takes. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I thought they used tranny fluid? --R Wonko the Sane wrote: The power steering reservoir is low. What fluid do I use? Just power steering fluid or something more esoteric? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/cbff4277/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/4098d05b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E question
AT fluid for the MB's with separate drive beltsMB Fluid for those with a serpentine belt. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I thought they used tranny fluid? --R Wonko the Sane wrote: The power steering reservoir is low. What fluid do I use? Just power steering fluid or something more esoteric? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/cbff4277/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E question
I was asking awhile ago too, and was told it's not ATF, so I'm all confuddled now. Ed 300E 2009/3/25 Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com Yea, I am an idiot. Just found it in a different section of the owner's manual. ATF. 2009/3/25 Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com Don't know. I think my that is what my 240D takes. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I thought they used tranny fluid? --R Wonko the Sane wrote: The power steering reservoir is low. What fluid do I use? Just power steering fluid or something more esoteric? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/cbff4277/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/4098d05b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/33fdb103/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E question
I am just going by what the owner's manual says. If it is the wrong fluid, too late as I just topped it off. :-) One section of the manual says check with your Mercedes dealer and the specifications section says ATF. 2009/3/25 E M pokieba...@gmail.com I was asking awhile ago too, and was told it's not ATF, so I'm all confuddled now. Ed 300E 2009/3/25 Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com Yea, I am an idiot. Just found it in a different section of the owner's manual. ATF. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/d2c5ddf7/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] More on 350SD
My SDL is a 300 block and 350 head. Luther Jim Cathey wrote: 6-cylinder OM603 350SD turbo diesel. We have to advice against the 350SD because of its tendency to develop cracks in the cylinder head. Best buy is the 300SDL, both because of the long wheelbase option and the better performance (145 HP against 120 HP of the OM617). So, this car I looked at supposedly had a bad head gasket, this seems to suggest cracking head could be a problem. Anyone have an (relevant) opinion? If I got this thing would it be a boat anchor, or if the head is indeed cracked, would a good one be findable? 300SDL heads crack, 350SDL rods bend. 350 heads on 300 bottoms is what works. -- Jim -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E question
Which manual...for your W123 or your W124? Totally different models with much different requirements as you know. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com wrote: I am just going by what the owner's manual says. If it is the wrong fluid, too late as I just topped it off. :-) One section of the manual says check with your Mercedes dealer and the specifications section says ATF. 2009/3/25 E M pokieba...@gmail.com I was asking awhile ago too, and was told it's not ATF, so I'm all confuddled now. Ed 300E 2009/3/25 Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com Yea, I am an idiot. Just found it in a different section of the owner's manual. ATF. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/d2c5ddf7/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E question
Owner's Manual (reproduction) 300E W124. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:46 PM, John Freer mbfo...@gmail.com wrote: Which manual...for your W123 or your W124? Totally different models with much different requirements as you know. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com wrote: I am just going by what the owner's manual says. If it is the wrong fluid, too late as I just topped it off. :-) One section of the manual says check with your Mercedes dealer and the specifications section says ATF. 2009/3/25 E M pokieba...@gmail.com I was asking awhile ago too, and was told it's not ATF, so I'm all confuddled now. Ed 300E 2009/3/25 Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com Yea, I am an idiot. Just found it in a different section of the owner's manual. ATF. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/d2c5ddf7/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/9144f638/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E question
where is this documented? Is there a TSB or maintenance manual with this info? Luther John Freer wrote: AT fluid for the MB's with separate drive beltsMB Fluid for those with a serpentine belt. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I thought they used tranny fluid? --R Wonko the Sane wrote: The power steering reservoir is low. What fluid do I use? Just power steering fluid or something more esoteric? -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E question
I saved this rule of thumb from one of Marshall's posts years ago. As I recall, he stated that AT in a serpentine belt system would create problems when encountering cold temperatures but nothing drastic would happen. John On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Luther benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: where is this documented? Is there a TSB or maintenance manual with this info? Luther John Freer wrote: AT fluid for the MB's with separate drive beltsMB Fluid for those with a serpentine belt. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I thought they used tranny fluid? --R Wonko the Sane wrote: The power steering reservoir is low. What fluid do I use? Just power steering fluid or something more esoteric? -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi) '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (183 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] no glow plug light/hard starts; glow plug time? - '85 300D
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:05:38 -0500 Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com wrote: There is a Mercedes-approved tool for this task. I think it is called a pre-chamber reamer. I used a wood dowel to probe around and knock off soot deposits. Seemed to work fine and didn't look to be much different than the Mercedes-approved tool. Just much less expensive. In talking with Ben at Ben's Motors in Austin, Texas, THE independent in Austin, he told me to take a hammer and mash the end of a glow plug flat and use that for a reamer; just thread it in and out. So, that's what I have done. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Reviving a w115 300-D
I will have to look at one sometime, I know the 240D didnt, at least I dont think so. OK Don wrote: Yes - all three of the 617 engined 115s I had (all '76) had them - a loop cast in to the rear plate and a bracket with a hole at the front of the engine. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E question
if it says atf, that should be fine, thats all I have ever used. Wonko the Sane wrote: I am just going by what the owner's manual says. If it is the wrong fluid, too late as I just topped it off. :-) One section of the manual says check with your Mercedes dealer and the specifications section says ATF. 2009/3/25 E M pokieba...@gmail.com I was asking awhile ago too, and was told it's not ATF, so I'm all confuddled now. Ed 300E 2009/3/25 Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com Yea, I am an idiot. Just found it in a different section of the owner's manual. ATF. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090325/d2c5ddf7/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E question
just because marshall said it (god rest his soul) does not mean its true. John Freer wrote: I saved this rule of thumb from one of Marshall's posts years ago. As I recall, he stated that AT in a serpentine belt system would create problems when encountering cold temperatures but nothing drastic would happen. John -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E question
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:00:28 -0700 John Freer mbfo...@gmail.com wrote: I saved this rule of thumb from one of Marshall's posts years ago. As I recall, he stated that AT in a serpentine belt system would create problems when encountering cold temperatures but nothing drastic would happen. When I asked on this about our '94 E420, I was told that ATF would cause the system to leak. I had already put some in because it was already leaking and I needed to drive it. I guess I should look at the owner's manual like Don before I repair the leak (it's been sitting awhile now waiting for some free time and warmer weather). Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E question
Power steering fluid and ATF are almost the same thing in different packages. ATF has friction modifiers, power steering fluid does not. You can use ATF in a power steering system but should not use power steering fluid in a ATF. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 10:20 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E question just because marshall said it (god rest his soul) does not mean its true. John Freer wrote: I saved this rule of thumb from one of Marshall's posts years ago. As I recall, he stated that AT in a serpentine belt system would create problems when encountering cold temperatures but nothing drastic would happen. John -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.27/2021 - Release Date: 3/24/2009 4:00 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.27/2021 - Release Date: 3/24/2009 4:00 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300E question
using ATF in a car with a serpentine belt will cause the steering box seals to leak. A lot. Peter On Mar 25, 2009, at 9:38 PM, John Freer wrote: AT fluid for the MB's with separate drive beltsMB Fluid for those with a serpentine belt. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I thought they used tranny fluid? --R Wonko the Sane wrote: The power steering reservoir is low. What fluid do I use? Just power steering fluid or something more esoteric? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/ 20090325/cbff4277/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W108 4.5 D-jet fuel leak
As if to prove the point made in one of the posts sent in response to my question about the 450SLC... this morning my W108 4.5 developed a fairly substantial fuel leak in the rubber hoses on the pressure rail. There had been some weeping before, but today it became a gusher, emitting a drop of fuel about every 1-2 seconds from the input line into the fuel rail. Anyway, no big surprise as this is a known issue with old D-jet cars and is easy to fix. Just thought I'd weigh in and say, yes it does happen and it's not just a D-jet myth! D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
