Re: [MBZ] OT: speeding

[Tyler]

What's so funny? Actually, I've been to traffic court like 6 times  
when I was a teenager and drove crazy, and had the fines reduced to  
the legal minimum or removed every time.


Sincerely,
Tyler

On Jul 16, 2009, at 7:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

tyler wrote:
I absolutely disagree with what you're saying. Most judges are  
reasonable, and put the burden of proof on the officer, not the  
defendant- as is required by law.


The judge also has the power to adjust sentencing to make the  
punishment fit the crime. For example, over a year ago in Oregon I  
got a ticket for running snow tires out of season. What I was doing  
was illegal, and I admitted it to the judge- but pleaded not guilty  
(the only option which gets you to court) because it had in fact  
snowed a few days earlier, and I had put the tires on just for that  
snow storm, and had then been out of town and didn't have time to  
change them back. The judge found me guilty, but reduced the fine  
to the absolute minimum (from about $150 to like $10).


If you are professional, courteous and reasonable, and don't  
contradict the officers testimony (calling him a liar) but instead  
explain the circumstances surrounding your actions, most judges  
will give you the minimum sentence the law allows them to.


Tyler



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Re: [MBZ] Thrumming noise

[Fmiser]

> Fmiser wrote:

> > Jim Cathey wrote:
> 
> > > The sound quits when the brakes are moderately applied.
> > > The sound quits when making a moderate right turn.
> > 
> > My guess is wheel bearings.
> 
> Okay.  'tis the direction I am leaning.  But I'm also lazy, and
> is someone has already chased this goose.

Twas the wheel bearing.

The outer one was obviously bad. Big divot out of the race. But
the noise was from the inner one - and it looked fine.

Anyway. Problems solved!!!Well, that one anyway.  Still need
to do the hatch lift assist cylinders, ball joint, and figure
out why the transmission kickdown quit working.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT: speeding/comparing VIN's

[Allan Streib]

If hypothetically the officer forgot to have me sign the ticket does
that mean anything?

Allan

"WILTON"  writes:

> Late one afternoon in '76 at George AFB, CA, (near Victorville) I had
> dismantled a small, surplus bridge on base and most of the long beams
> loaded onto my '74 Plymouth van with several feet of each protruding
> out the back of the van.  I had attached a red flag and red reflector
> the end on one of the beams to improve their visibility for the night
> trip to my cabin 35 miles away in the San Gabriel Mountains where I
> planned to use the beams in the building of a deck.  Almost
> immediately after I exited the base onto the main highway for the trip
> to the cabin flashing blue lights of a CHP cruiser were behind me.  I
> pulled over thinking the officer was gonna jump me for having the
> beams protruding so far out the back or not having a light on them or
> question  why I was leaving the base loaded with such beams,
> especially at night.  He ask for my license and registration, which I
> immediately presented, of course.  He glanced at them, handed them
> back and said, "Sorry to have bothered you, Sir.  Have a nice
> evening."  I put my license back in my wallet, threw the registration
> card on the engine cover by right leg and proceeded with my trip.
> Coupla days later, I picked up the registration card and, as I started
> to put it back in the glove compartment, I noticed that the card was
> for a '64 Dodge van that I had traded a coupla years before for the
> 76 Plymouth van that I was driving!!! CHP officer never noticed the
> difference.  BTW, 'have no idea what they were looking for.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mitch Haley" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 3:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: speeding
>
>
>> ernest breakfield wrote:
>>> try to make it clear that you would have been obeying the law if
>> > there was some way you could  have known what it actually was!
>>
>> I once got pulled over for going past a 25mph sign at 35mph with my
>> brakes on. AFAIK, the speed limit was 55mph on one side of that sign
>> and 25mph on the other. I hit the brakes as soon as I went around a
>> curve and saw the sign. No ticket, just a long going over from a 'by
>> the book, straight from the academy' cop who was bored. It was about
>> 1:00 AM and I think he was waiting for the nearby tavern to
>> close. He's the only cop who ever compared the VIN on my dash with
>> the VIN on my registration.
>>
>> Mitch.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Need a lift?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Can you put those lifts outside?  The rain etc wont hurt it?

pm7...@comcast.net wrote:
Put a lift in the yard. 



  




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Re: [MBZ] OT: speeding

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

tyler wrote:
I absolutely disagree with what you're saying. Most judges are 
reasonable, and put the burden of proof on the officer, not the 
defendant- as is required by law.


The judge also has the power to adjust sentencing to make the 
punishment fit the crime. For example, over a year ago in Oregon I got 
a ticket for running snow tires out of season. What I was doing was 
illegal, and I admitted it to the judge- but pleaded not guilty (the 
only option which gets you to court) because it had in fact snowed a 
few days earlier, and I had put the tires on just for that snow storm, 
and had then been out of town and didn't have time to change them 
back. The judge found me guilty, but reduced the fine to the absolute 
minimum (from about $150 to like $10).


If you are professional, courteous and reasonable, and don't 
contradict the officers testimony (calling him a liar) but instead 
explain the circumstances surrounding your actions, most judges will 
give you the minimum sentence the law allows them to.


Tyler

Hendrik & Fay wrote:
Best off to just pay the thing, question is did you miss the sign or 
was the sign that badly vandalized that any reasonable person would 
not be able to make out what it was.
What is the basis of your challenge? That there was only one 
partially obscured sign?
You have to consider that a court will not go against an officer of 
the law unless you can absolutely prove that the issuing of the 
ticket was wrong. Can you do this?
I recently got a red light running ticket in my truck, situation was 
that a bus had partially pulled into my lane whilst wanting to turn 
at the traffic lights, there was a car to my left and I was busy 
watching my mirrors and the bus to see how far over I could go, in 
order to not hit the car or bus. By the time I saw that the lights 
where just about to turn red it was too late to safely stop.
I could go to court and explain the circumstances but the court would 
most likely say that given my experience I should have done better 
and stopped the truck if it was unsafe to proceed.


Hendrik


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Re: [MBZ] Best source for dash caps/carpet covers

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Have you called Rusty?  I am pretty sure he does carry those.

David Bruckmann wrote:

Hi gang,

Anyone have a recommendation for dash caps/dash covers? Rusty doesn't seem to 
carry them. I'm trying to protect a good dash on the W107 and W108. On the W123 
it's about hiding the ginsu knife job.

Any recs or experience good/bad would be appreciated.

D.

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Re: [MBZ] Relay 201 821 00 47

[Loren Faeth]

I'd guess the original relay has a 124 number  It appears to be 
used from 1986 to the 201s.  Maybe more.  Is anyone able to look up a 
current price?


At 09:16 PM 7/16/2009, you wrote:
Anybody have a spare relay for a 124?  It is part #  201 821 00 
47.  It lives behind the fuse box, under the cover that is under the 
fusebox cover.  (6 Phillips screws)  It is the shorter of the two 
big relays in there.  Anyone near a upull with 124s?




Loren Faeth

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[MBZ] Relay 201 821 00 47

[Loren Faeth]

Anybody have a spare relay for a 124?  It is part #  201 821 00 
47.  It lives behind the fuse box, under the cover that is under the 
fusebox cover.  (6 Phillips screws)  It is the shorter of the two big 
relays in there.  Anyone near a upull with 124s?




Loren Faeth 



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Re: [MBZ] Best source for dash caps/carpet covers

[andrew strasfogel]

Yes - they sold me an excellent velour cover.

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

> Anyone have a recommendation for dash caps/dash covers?
>>
>
> I've gotten mine through Performance Products, but I think
> it's the same one that everybody has.  DashCap?  They look
> good on a 107, but either don't glue it down at all or glue
> it down extremely thoroughly when it's all out of the car.
> Plastic shell, hard for the uninitiated to even tell that
> it's there.
>
> -- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Best source for dash caps/carpet covers

[OK Don]

Did you call Rusty? He has a LOT more than is listed on the web site ---
IIRC, we bought the dash cap for the SDL from Rusty.

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:14 PM, David Bruckmann <
bruckma...@transcontinental.ca> wrote:

> Hi gang,
>
> Anyone have a recommendation for dash caps/dash covers? Rusty doesn't seem
> to carry them. I'm trying to protect a good dash on the W107 and W108. On
> the W123 it's about hiding the ginsu knife job.
>
>
> --
> OK Don
> Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos
>
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Re: [MBZ] Best source for dash caps/carpet covers

[Jim Cathey]

Anyone have a recommendation for dash caps/dash covers?


I've gotten mine through Performance Products, but I think
it's the same one that everybody has.  DashCap?  They look
good on a 107, but either don't glue it down at all or glue
it down extremely thoroughly when it's all out of the car.
Plastic shell, hard for the uninitiated to even tell that
it's there.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] problem while driving 190E2.3

[Peter Frederick]

No, but a bad fuel PUMP will!  It will also eat the relay due to  
excessive current draw.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] problem while driving 190E2.3

[Hursley]

Yes, it says premium.  I changed it to regular for the past 3 years and 
found no pinging, running well and I do not do fast start.


The fuel pump relay was changed about 4 years ago.  Doubt it comes bad that 
quick.  The original lasted about 12 years.  Also, will the fuel pump relay 
cause the check engine code to lid on?


Thanks.

K.S.

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] problem while driving 190E2.3



Hursley wrote:
> The gas is good as I put the same brand 87 octane all the time.

The car doesn't say "premium fuel only"?
I thought all 2.3s did. (not that this has anything to do with your engine 
shutting itself off, the fuel pump relay is still the #1 suspect there)
Mitch. 



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Re: [MBZ] Need a lift?

[R A Bennell]

In Winnipeg, the rules permitted my garage to be a maximum of 13 feet tall at a 
point half way between the eaves
and the peak. How is that for an odd combination? I wanted a good sized attic 
so I went to the maximum and am
within an inch or two of my maximum height allowed. That is why I suggested 
putting a peaked roof on if there are
limits. Then, you could lift the top of the car into the attic area and as an 
added benefit, the garage would
likely be more pleasing from the street and might even then match the roof on 
the house if the house has a
reasonably steep pitched roof.

Obviously, just lifting the whole garage might be easier if it is allowed.

Randy

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Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 2:54 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need a lift?


This all sounds plausible, except that I would need to obtain another
residential construction permit from the D.C. authorities.  I doubt there is
a height limitation, however, so maybe this won't prove too painful an
exercise...

The other non-trivial challenge is to persuade my sig. oth. (who is an
interiors architect) that this is a worthwhile and esthetically winning
project.

Other than that, it's a walk in the park!

So the pit digging option is looking better by the minute.  What type of
contractor handles this sort of controlled mayhem?


On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> If you got Rich to do it I'd give serious consideration to driving down to
> help just for the experience...
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:49:25 -0400
> From: Rich Thomas 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need a lift?
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Message-ID: <4a5f8445.6020...@constructivity.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
>
> Actually, jacking up the whole garage a few feet is not very difficult
> or expensive to do.  The only issue would be if there is a zoning
> constraint (or the neighbors complain if you just do it).  If the
> structure is in your backyard, not particularly visible from the street,
> and the houses are all fairly tall then another 4 or 5 ft or whatever
> would not really be much.  Poll the neighbors when you take them some
> nice homegrown produce, and see what they would say to a higher garage.
>
> You could build the stub wall insert ever how high (say 4 ft) out of
> 2x4s, the whole thing sized right, call a foundation company to come
> jack up the whole deal (that would probably take about 2 hrs to do at
> most), or just rent some beams and jacks and do it yourself.  Then slide
> the inserts under the existing walls and drop the structure back down,
> tie it all together with nails and straps and whatever, then put on some
> sheathing and be done with it.  That's like a weekend project for a
> coupla guys with some beer and saws and nail guns (heh heh, look I said
> "guns" heh heh).  Hell I might even come up and help you do it if you
> feed me summathem fresh 'maters and hide your Obama stickers and such,
> maybe take me down Wisconsin Ave/M St  for some eats.
>
> By raising the roof, what is meant is to leave the walls where they are,
> jack the whole roof up (new shingles and all) after cutting off the top
> sill nails (so the rafters are still attached to the top sill, slide
> your new wall inserts in, and have that on top not the bottom.  Similar
> deal, but you need longer jacks and posts and it would be a bit more
> dangerous  If it is a flat roof that makes it even easier.  Either way,
> this is like 16th century technology, so nothing radical involved.
>
> I was thinking to do that to my garage at the old Victorian I restored,
> to get a 2nd floor loft in it for storage.  (which you can kinda see on
> the left in this pic
> http://www.constructivity.net/images/70e_1982.jpg)  OK I can see your
> house on google, looks like you have an alley so the garage is way back
> there behind some pretty big houses, I would just go tell the neighbors
> you are restoring your garage or roof or something, jack it up, put in
> some stub walls, plant some fast-growing bushes, and be done with it,
> not like it would be a big deal or cause any major heartburn to anyone.
>
> --R
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Re: [MBZ] problem while driving 190E2.3

[Mitch Haley]

Hursley wrote:
> The gas is good as I put the same brand 87 octane all the time.

The car doesn't say "premium fuel only"?
I thought all 2.3s did. (not that this has anything to do with your engine 
shutting itself off, the fuel pump relay is still the #1 suspect there)

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] problem while driving 190E2.3

[Mitch Haley]

Hursley wrote:

Hi all,

I am trying to seek your wisdom on my '93 190E2.3 car.  The battery is good as 
it register 12.8V before starting and 14.4V while running.  I just replace the 
tension pulley about a month ago and belt about a year ago.

The problem is while driving, the engine mysteriously shut off by itself. 


On my 1986 2.3-16, the fuel pump relay decides the engine isn't running and 
shuts the fuel off. Since it's a manual trans, the engine keeps spinning and the 
alternator keeps charging, but the car slows down. I shut off the ignition for 
five seconds, turn it back on and proceed along my merry way (until it happens 
again). If that's the trouble, a pump relay for your car is about half the price 
of a pump relay for my car, but still around $100. (Make that $137)

http://buymbparts.com/item.wws?sku=W0133-1611020&itempk=77553&mfr=Kaehler&weight=0.27

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102 please stand up? Time lag

[WILTON]

BTW, remind me what car this is.  I'll try to look up some stuff.
Oh, BTW, again, I'm NOT an OIL system EXPERT.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102 
please stand up? Time lag




Hello Wilton; I'm back !

It seems that from a stone cold overnight wait, it's about 5 seconds from 
the time the engine starts until oil pressure is shown on the dash gauge. 
During that time the engine makes little metallic tapping and clicking 
noises.


From a 1 hr rest period and a semi-warm restart, it's more like 1 second 
from the time the engine starts until oil pressure is shown on the dash 
gauge.


I haven't had an opportunity to restart after a real road trip and a rest, 
but I can tell you it's slow, and the engine makes larger metallic tapping 
and clicking noises, which some have dismissed as "timing chain rattle," 
or something like that, until the dash gauge indicates oil pressure. 
These noises are big enough that my son the race engine builder was 
impressed by the noises.


I'm sure there can't be a whole lot wrong, because I can cruise at 80 mph 
all day (I don't like to drive a whole lot faster than that).  I have 
almost no noticeable oil consumption.  I have driven the car at indicated 
105 mph and it had some left.  Total indicated mileage 155, 7xx miles. 
Mileage driven by me 31,000 so far.


Thanks for your interest.  I'll be interested to see what you think.



From: Robert Bigham 


Subject: Re: Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102 please 
stand up?



Hello Wilton

Good question, I suppose.  Right now all I can say is "Long enough that I 
think it shouldn't take that long."


I will try to time it the next several times I start up and will furnish a 
number as best I can.


Thanks for your interest.  Robert



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 please stand up? (WILTON)
Message: 2
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:51:48 -0400
From: "WILTON" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Will athe real expert on oiling system of Engine
102 please stand up?
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So how long DOES it take to go 3 bar from cold start?

Wilton




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Re: [MBZ] Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102 please stand up? Time lag

[Frederick W Moir]

Hi, All.
When I picked up my '85 190E, there was the distinct possibility that 
the very worn chain would fly off the worn sprocket with unhappy 
results. The oil pressure took almost 20 secs. to peg the gauge. 
Newchain and sprocket, cleaned out the Tensioner. and it ran very 
well, with 2-3 second oil pressure rise, until the trans. died, twice.

Check your chain?
Also used a Rusty approved filter, many after-market filters are sh, 
um er poor.

(Dare I say M1?)
YMMV
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.


Hello Wilton; I'm back !
It seems that from a stone cold overnight wait, it's about 5 seconds from
the time the engine starts until oil pressure is shown on the dash
gauge.   During that time the engine makes little metallic tapping and
clicking noises.



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Re: [MBZ] Need a lift?

[Rich Thomas]

OK we are talking about maybe $200 worth of 2x4s and a coupla hundred 
for plywood (or go scavenge some from some building demo for free), even 
if that much, to raise the thing up, and maybe another coupla hundred to 
rent some jacks and buy/rent some beams.  The DC building inspector will 
probably extract a couple bennies from you so you don't have "problems" 
but maybe you could just give him a fifth of 4 Roses and some weed or 
blow, and he would leave you alone if he even shows up.  I mean, we're 
talking DC here, not some civilized place where the city gummint 
actually works or gives half a sh*t what you do to your garage.  Or just 
start on Fri evening and have it done by Monday morning, and plead 
ignorance to any changes.


Aesthetically, we are talking about a garage here, not the Taj Mahal.  
Mama shouldn't care much one way or the other if it makes you happy.  
Invest another coupla hundred in a some nice lugustrums and climbing 
roses or something, and you won't even see the building next summer.  Or 
better yet, buy her a plane ticket to Nantucket for a weekend, we'll get 
a few manly men and some beer, and get the thing done and she probably 
wouldn't even notice.


You are overthinking this, the energy you are spending on overthinking 
could get it done and you could have a doghouse if she notices, and a 
nice place to work on cars.


--R

andrew strasfogel wrote:

This all sounds plausible, except that I would need to obtain another
residential construction permit from the D.C. authorities.  I doubt there is
a height limitation, however, so maybe this won't prove too painful an
exercise...

The other non-trivial challenge is to persuade my sig. oth. (who is an
interiors architect) that this is a worthwhile and esthetically winning
project.

Other than that, it's a walk in the park!

So the pit digging option is looking better by the minute.  What type of
contractor handles this sort of controlled mayhem?


On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

  

If you got Rich to do it I'd give serious consideration to driving down to
help just for the experience...

-Curt

Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:49:25 -0400
From: Rich Thomas 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need a lift?
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Message-ID: <4a5f8445.6020...@constructivity.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"

Actually, jacking up the whole garage a few feet is not very difficult
or expensive to do.  The only issue would be if there is a zoning
constraint (or the neighbors complain if you just do it).  If the
structure is in your backyard, not particularly visible from the street,
and the houses are all fairly tall then another 4 or 5 ft or whatever
would not really be much.  Poll the neighbors when you take them some
nice homegrown produce, and see what they would say to a higher garage.

You could build the stub wall insert ever how high (say 4 ft) out of
2x4s, the whole thing sized right, call a foundation company to come
jack up the whole deal (that would probably take about 2 hrs to do at
most), or just rent some beams and jacks and do it yourself.  Then slide
the inserts under the existing walls and drop the structure back down,
tie it all together with nails and straps and whatever, then put on some
sheathing and be done with it.  That's like a weekend project for a
coupla guys with some beer and saws and nail guns (heh heh, look I said
"guns" heh heh).  Hell I might even come up and help you do it if you
feed me summathem fresh 'maters and hide your Obama stickers and such,
maybe take me down Wisconsin Ave/M St  for some eats.

By raising the roof, what is meant is to leave the walls where they are,
jack the whole roof up (new shingles and all) after cutting off the top
sill nails (so the rafters are still attached to the top sill, slide
your new wall inserts in, and have that on top not the bottom.  Similar
deal, but you need longer jacks and posts and it would be a bit more
dangerous  If it is a flat roof that makes it even easier.  Either way,
this is like 16th century technology, so nothing radical involved.

I was thinking to do that to my garage at the old Victorian I restored,
to get a 2nd floor loft in it for storage.  (which you can kinda see on
the left in this pic
http://www.constructivity.net/images/70e_1982.jpg)  OK I can see your
house on google, looks like you have an alley so the garage is way back
there behind some pretty big houses, I would just go tell the neighbors
you are restoring your garage or roof or something, jack it up, put in
some stub walls, plant some fast-growing bushes, and be done with it,
not like it would be a big deal or cause any major heartburn to anyone.

--R



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Re: [MBZ] Need a lift?

[tyler]

You can rent a small backhoe and have it delivered and picked up, and 
then dig it yourself...


Tyler

andrew strasfogel wrote:

This all sounds plausible, except that I would need to obtain another
residential construction permit from the D.C. authorities.  I doubt there is
a height limitation, however, so maybe this won't prove too painful an
exercise...

The other non-trivial challenge is to persuade my sig. oth. (who is an
interiors architect) that this is a worthwhile and esthetically winning
project.

Other than that, it's a walk in the park!

So the pit digging option is looking better by the minute.  What type of
contractor handles this sort of controlled mayhem?


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Re: [MBZ] Need a lift?

[andrew strasfogel]

This all sounds plausible, except that I would need to obtain another
residential construction permit from the D.C. authorities.  I doubt there is
a height limitation, however, so maybe this won't prove too painful an
exercise...

The other non-trivial challenge is to persuade my sig. oth. (who is an
interiors architect) that this is a worthwhile and esthetically winning
project.

Other than that, it's a walk in the park!

So the pit digging option is looking better by the minute.  What type of
contractor handles this sort of controlled mayhem?


On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> If you got Rich to do it I'd give serious consideration to driving down to
> help just for the experience...
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:49:25 -0400
> From: Rich Thomas 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need a lift?
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Message-ID: <4a5f8445.6020...@constructivity.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
>
> Actually, jacking up the whole garage a few feet is not very difficult
> or expensive to do.  The only issue would be if there is a zoning
> constraint (or the neighbors complain if you just do it).  If the
> structure is in your backyard, not particularly visible from the street,
> and the houses are all fairly tall then another 4 or 5 ft or whatever
> would not really be much.  Poll the neighbors when you take them some
> nice homegrown produce, and see what they would say to a higher garage.
>
> You could build the stub wall insert ever how high (say 4 ft) out of
> 2x4s, the whole thing sized right, call a foundation company to come
> jack up the whole deal (that would probably take about 2 hrs to do at
> most), or just rent some beams and jacks and do it yourself.  Then slide
> the inserts under the existing walls and drop the structure back down,
> tie it all together with nails and straps and whatever, then put on some
> sheathing and be done with it.  That's like a weekend project for a
> coupla guys with some beer and saws and nail guns (heh heh, look I said
> "guns" heh heh).  Hell I might even come up and help you do it if you
> feed me summathem fresh 'maters and hide your Obama stickers and such,
> maybe take me down Wisconsin Ave/M St  for some eats.
>
> By raising the roof, what is meant is to leave the walls where they are,
> jack the whole roof up (new shingles and all) after cutting off the top
> sill nails (so the rafters are still attached to the top sill, slide
> your new wall inserts in, and have that on top not the bottom.  Similar
> deal, but you need longer jacks and posts and it would be a bit more
> dangerous  If it is a flat roof that makes it even easier.  Either way,
> this is like 16th century technology, so nothing radical involved.
>
> I was thinking to do that to my garage at the old Victorian I restored,
> to get a 2nd floor loft in it for storage.  (which you can kinda see on
> the left in this pic
> http://www.constructivity.net/images/70e_1982.jpg)  OK I can see your
> house on google, looks like you have an alley so the garage is way back
> there behind some pretty big houses, I would just go tell the neighbors
> you are restoring your garage or roof or something, jack it up, put in
> some stub walls, plant some fast-growing bushes, and be done with it,
> not like it would be a big deal or cause any major heartburn to anyone.
>
> --R
>
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Re: [MBZ] Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102 please stand up? Time lag

[tyler]

I had an M110 powered car that made noises like that once. I got my 
stethoscope out to see where the noise was coming from, and revved it a 
little bit to make the noise louder. Suddenly the motor stopped dead 
from 2,000 rpm and a few pounds of aluminum chunks fell onto the ground 
under the engine. I sold the car for $200 (twice what I paid) and never 
found out what it was... That was my first and last gasoline powered 
Mercedes.


Tyler

Robert Bigham wrote:

Hello Wilton; I'm back !

It seems that from a stone cold overnight wait, it's about 5 seconds from the 
time the engine starts until oil pressure is shown on the dash gauge.   During 
that time the engine makes little metallic tapping and clicking noises.

>From a 1 hr rest period and a semi-warm restart, it's more like 1 second from 
the time the engine starts until oil pressure is shown on the dash gauge.

I haven't had an opportunity to restart after a real road trip and a rest, but I can tell 
you it's slow, and the engine makes larger metallic tapping and clicking noises, which 
some have dismissed as "timing chain rattle," or something like that, until the 
dash gauge indicates oil pressure.   These noises are big enough that my son the race 
engine builder was impressed by the noises.

I'm sure there can't be a whole lot wrong, because I can cruise at 80 mph all day (I don't like to drive a whole lot faster than that).  I have almost no noticeable oil consumption.  I have driven the car at indicated 105 mph and it had some left.  Total indicated mileage 155, 7xx miles.  Mileage driven by me 31,000 so far. 


Thanks for your interest.  I'll be interested to see what you think.



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Re: [MBZ] Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102 please stand up? Time lag

[Curt Raymond]

Do the noises go away as soon as the pressure comes up?

When you first described the problem I figured it was just normal, my 240D 
seems slow but on my car its more like 2-3 seconds with no real scary noises, 5 
seconds with noises is wrong.

I don't have any 102 engine experience per-say and apparently the oil filter 
arrangement is different than the OM6xx since on those the filter cap has a big 
spear down through the filter. The spear has 2 rubber o-rings and when they get 
old and hard the pressure is slow to rise. If you didn't absolutely know the 
o-rings weren't there I'd still give a check for them, wipe down the spear 
thing (assuming your car has one) and look for grooves near the last 1/4 of the 
spear, there should be o rings on them. The o rings do not come with the oil 
filter, you have to order them separately.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:24:32 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: Robert Bigham 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102
    please stand up? Time lag
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Hello Wilton; I'm back !

It
seems that from a stone cold overnight wait, it's about 5 seconds from
the time the engine starts until oil pressure is shown on the dash
gauge.   During that time the engine makes little metallic tapping and
clicking noises.

>From a 1 hr rest period and a semi-warm
restart, it's more like 1 second from the time the engine starts until
oil pressure is shown on the dash gauge.

I haven't had an
opportunity to restart after a real road trip and a rest, but I can
tell you it's slow, and the engine makes larger metallic tapping and
clicking noises, which some have dismissed as "timing chain rattle," or
something like that, until the dash gauge indicates oil
pressure.   These noises are big enough that my son the race engine
builder was impressed by the noises.

I'm sure there can't be a
whole lot wrong, because I can cruise at 80 mph all day (I don't like
to drive a whole lot faster than that).  I have almost no noticeable
oil consumption.  I have driven the car at indicated 105 mph and it had
some left.  Total indicated mileage 155, 7xx miles.  Mileage driven by
me 31,000 so far. 

Thanks for your interest.  I'll be interested to see what you think.


  
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Re: [MBZ] Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102 please stand up? Time lag

[WILTON]

Just started my '87 300D for first time today; 28 hours since I shut it down 
yesterday; 'best I could tell, it took about 4 seconds for oil pressure to 
go to 3 bar after start and at idle.  I'll try that and the '91 350SDL again 
tomorrow.  'Think this has been mentioned before - if your oil filter 
canister is the type with the small pipe down through the middle of the 
filter, next time you change oil and filter, be sure to put new little 
O-rings (2 on mine) on that center pipe and make sure the little hole in the 
side of the pipe near the top of the pipe is clear and air/oil can flow 
freely through the little hole and down the pipe.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Robert Bigham" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102 
please stand up? Time lag




Hello Wilton; I'm back !

It seems that from a stone cold overnight wait, it's about 5 seconds from 
the time the engine starts until oil pressure is shown on the dash gauge. 
During that time the engine makes little metallic tapping and clicking 
noises.


From a 1 hr rest period and a semi-warm restart, it's more like 1 second 
from the time the engine starts until oil pressure is shown on the dash 
gauge.


I haven't had an opportunity to restart after a real road trip and a rest, 
but I can tell you it's slow, and the engine makes larger metallic tapping 
and clicking noises, which some have dismissed as "timing chain rattle," 
or something like that, until the dash gauge indicates oil pressure. 
These noises are big enough that my son the race engine builder was 
impressed by the noises.


I'm sure there can't be a whole lot wrong, because I can cruise at 80 mph 
all day (I don't like to drive a whole lot faster than that).  I have 
almost no noticeable oil consumption.  I have driven the car at indicated 
105 mph and it had some left.  Total indicated mileage 155, 7xx miles. 
Mileage driven by me 31,000 so far.


Thanks for your interest.  I'll be interested to see what you think.



From: Robert Bigham 


Subject: Re: Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102 please 
stand up?



Hello Wilton

Good question, I suppose.  Right now all I can say is "Long enough that I 
think it shouldn't take that long."


I will try to time it the next several times I start up and will furnish a 
number as best I can.


Thanks for your interest.  Robert



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 please stand up? (WILTON)
Message: 2
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:51:48 -0400
From: "WILTON" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Will athe real expert on oiling system of Engine
102 please stand up?
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So how long DOES it take to go 3 bar from cold start?

Wilton




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Re: [MBZ] Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102 please stand up? Time lag

[Curt Raymond]

102 engine is a gasser...

Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:08:02 + (UTC)
From: pm7...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102
    please stand up? Time lag
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New at diesels? They all rattle and bang when cold. Turn up the radio. 

-- 

Peter Arnold 

Windsor, CT 

- Original Message - 
From: "Robert Bigham"  
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 1:24:32 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102 please 
stand up? Time lag 

Hello Wilton; I'm back ! 

It
seems that from a stone cold overnight wait, it's about 5 seconds from
the time the engine starts until oil pressure is shown on the dash
gauge. During that time the engine makes little metallic tapping and
clicking noises. 

>From a 1 hr rest period and a semi-warm
restart, it's more like 1 second from the time the engine starts until
oil pressure is shown on the dash gauge. 

I haven't had an
opportunity to restart after a real road trip and a rest, but I can
tell you it's slow, and the engine makes larger metallic tapping and
clicking noises, which some have dismissed as "timing chain rattle," or
something like that, until the dash gauge indicates oil pressure. These
noises are big enough that my son the race engine builder was impressed
by the noises. 

I'm sure there can't be a whole lot wrong,
because I can cruise at 80 mph all day (I don't like to drive a whole
lot faster than that). I have almost no noticeable oil consumption. I
have driven the car at indicated 105 mph and it had some left. Total
indicated mileage 155, 7xx miles. Mileage driven by me 31,000 so far. 

Thanks for your interest. I'll be interested to see what you think. 


  
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Re: [MBZ] Need a lift?

[Curt Raymond]

If you got Rich to do it I'd give serious consideration to driving down to help 
just for the experience...

-Curt

Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:49:25 -0400
From: Rich Thomas 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need a lift?
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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Actually, jacking up the whole garage a few feet is not very difficult 
or expensive to do.  The only issue would be if there is a zoning 
constraint (or the neighbors complain if you just do it).  If the 
structure is in your backyard, not particularly visible from the street, 
and the houses are all fairly tall then another 4 or 5 ft or whatever 
would not really be much.  Poll the neighbors when you take them some 
nice homegrown produce, and see what they would say to a higher garage.

You could build the stub wall insert ever how high (say 4 ft) out of 
2x4s, the whole thing sized right, call a foundation company to come 
jack up the whole deal (that would probably take about 2 hrs to do at 
most), or just rent some beams and jacks and do it yourself.  Then slide 
the inserts under the existing walls and drop the structure back down, 
tie it all together with nails and straps and whatever, then put on some 
sheathing and be done with it.  That's like a weekend project for a 
coupla guys with some beer and saws and nail guns (heh heh, look I said 
"guns" heh heh).  Hell I might even come up and help you do it if you 
feed me summathem fresh 'maters and hide your Obama stickers and such, 
maybe take me down Wisconsin Ave/M St  for some eats.

By raising the roof, what is meant is to leave the walls where they are, 
jack the whole roof up (new shingles and all) after cutting off the top 
sill nails (so the rafters are still attached to the top sill, slide 
your new wall inserts in, and have that on top not the bottom.  Similar 
deal, but you need longer jacks and posts and it would be a bit more 
dangerous  If it is a flat roof that makes it even easier.  Either way, 
this is like 16th century technology, so nothing radical involved.

I was thinking to do that to my garage at the old Victorian I restored, 
to get a 2nd floor loft in it for storage.  (which you can kinda see on 
the left in this pic  
http://www.constructivity.net/images/70e_1982.jpg)  OK I can see your 
house on google, looks like you have an alley so the garage is way back 
there behind some pretty big houses, I would just go tell the neighbors 
you are restoring your garage or roof or something, jack it up, put in 
some stub walls, plant some fast-growing bushes, and be done with it, 
not like it would be a big deal or cause any major heartburn to anyone.

--R


  
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Re: [MBZ] Need a lift?

[harry watkins]

Build a ramp system inside the shop with as much height as your ceiling will 
allow.  Construct it in a manner that will allow it to be put up or taken 
down using pins or bolts.  In the same manner, attach it to the floor with 
enough support that will allow a wench system to load and unload the 
vehicle.  Get two cheap Harbor Freight dollies for moving it to a storage 
location.


Send the stuff ASAP after it hatches.

Harry

- Original Message - 
From: "andrew strasfogel" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need a lift?



OK, let's try a carrot on a stick approach.

The first person to submit a SENSIBLE and CONSTRUCTIVE suggestion will
receive a free shipment of my organically grown hot peppers or heirloom
tomatoes (or some of each).  Probably between now and mid-August.

Andrew

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 12:55 PM, dave walton  
wrote:



Just saws-all around the edges so the roof raises with the car.

-Dave Walton


On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:36 AM, R A Bennell wrote:
> If you zoning rules will allow it, raise the roof enough to permit the
lift inside. That is assuming your garage is
> concrete block (do I remember that from an earlier post?). If it is 
> frame

construction, then lift the whole garage
> and put the concrete block addition on the bottom. Shouldn't be all 
> that

difficult or expensive. As I also recall,
> your wife is a designer. She, or someone she must know, should be able 
> to

come up with some means of making the
> facade look acceptable from the street at the increased height.
>
> Randy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:51 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need a lift?
>
>
> I really need a lift but my garage has a flat roof and the ceiling is
less
> than 10' off the ground so there is no way to lift the car high enough 
> to

> stand beneath it.  Anybody know a good alternative? Perhaps a scissors
> jack?
>
> Andrew
> 1983, 85 300TD with a long list of to-do's
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
>
>> Rich Thomas wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like a shop closing, 6 lifts for sale
>>>
>>> http://charleston.craigslist.org/tls/1270128082.html
>>>
>>
>> Rotary is generally good stuff.
>> Mitch.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Need a lift?

[R A Bennell]

Then, as I said, and someone else said, just raise the building if the zoning 
will permit it. That might be a
problem and if it is, then you would have to seek an exemption and neighbors 
might object.

Another possible means if the whole thing cannot be lifted, would require 
redoing the roof which you don't want to
do. If you put a gable roof on, then with the correct style of truss, you could 
lift the vehicle partly into the
"attic". It could give you the necessary head room and still look good from the 
street.

Is this a single garage or double?

Randy

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 1:17 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need a lift?


Frame, not cinder block.  I just had a new roof put on the garage, so I it's
neither timely nor cost-effective to raise the roof at this juncture...

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:36 AM, R A Bennell  wrote:

> If you zoning rules will allow it, raise the roof enough to permit the lift
> inside. That is assuming your garage is
> concrete block (do I remember that from an earlier post?). If it is frame
> construction, then lift the whole garage
> and put the concrete block addition on the bottom. Shouldn't be all that
> difficult or expensive. As I also recall,
> your wife is a designer. She, or someone she must know, should be able to
> come up with some means of making the
> facade look acceptable from the street at the increased height.
>
> Randy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:51 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need a lift?
>
>
> I really need a lift but my garage has a flat roof and the ceiling is less
> than 10' off the ground so there is no way to lift the car high enough to
> stand beneath it.  Anybody know a good alternative? Perhaps a scissors
> jack?
>
> Andrew
> 1983, 85 300TD with a long list of to-do's
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
>
> > Rich Thomas wrote:
> >
> >> Looks like a shop closing, 6 lifts for sale
> >>
> >> http://charleston.craigslist.org/tls/1270128082.html
> >>
> >
> > Rotary is generally good stuff.
> > Mitch.
> >
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[MBZ] problem while driving 190E2.3

[Hursley]

Hi all,

I am trying to seek your wisdom on my '93 190E2.3 car.  The battery is good as 
it register 12.8V before starting and 14.4V while running.  I just replace the 
tension pulley about a month ago and belt about a year ago.

The problem is while driving, the engine mysteriously shut off by itself.  The 
first light to appear is battery low while all others did not light at all.  
And I immediately put it to neutral and try to start.  It takes about 3 or 4 
cranks to get it running.  But at all other times, it starts on 1 crank.  The 
gas is good as I put the same brand 87 octane all the time.

I thought it was alternator but could not since it is charging good.  The belt 
tension is good.   Engine light did not come on, no blinking code to obtain.

Thanks for listening.

K.S.

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Re: [MBZ] Need a lift?

[Rich Thomas]

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Re: [MBZ] Need a lift?

[Mitch Haley]

andrew strasfogel wrote:

OK, let's try a carrot on a stick approach.

The first person to submit a SENSIBLE and CONSTRUCTIVE suggestion will
receive a free shipment of my organically grown hot peppers or heirloom
tomatoes (or some of each).  Probably between now and mid-August.


Wasn't this already suggested?

1. reinforce garage (it's unattached, right?)
2. detach garage from foundation and raise it.
3. extend foundation. 12' ceiling would be nice.
4. reinstall garage on foundation.
5. either fill in the top of the overhead door opening or buy a taller overhead 
door.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Need a lift?

[pm7088]

Put a lift in the yard. 


-- 

Peter T. Arnold P.M. x3 
All Peppers to: 
Secretary Hartford Evergreen Lodge #88 A.F. & A.M. 
34 Country Club Drive 
Windsor, CT 06095 


- Original Message - 
From: "andrew strasfogel"  
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"  
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:13:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need a lift? 

OK, let's try a carrot on a stick approach. 

The first person to submit a SENSIBLE and CONSTRUCTIVE suggestion will 
receive a free shipment of my organically grown hot peppers or heirloom 
tomatoes (or some of each). Probably between now and mid-August. 

Andrew 

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 12:55 PM, dave walton  wrote: 

> Just saws-all around the edges so the roof raises with the car. 
> 
> -Dave Walton 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:36 AM, R A Bennell wrote: 
> > If you zoning rules will allow it, raise the roof enough to permit the 
> lift inside. That is assuming your garage is 
> > concrete block (do I remember that from an earlier post?). If it is frame 
> construction, then lift the whole garage 
> > and put the concrete block addition on the bottom. Shouldn't be all that 
> difficult or expensive. As I also recall, 
> > your wife is a designer. She, or someone she must know, should be able to 
> come up with some means of making the 
> > facade look acceptable from the street at the increased height. 
> > 
> > Randy 
> > 
> > -Original Message- 
> > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com 
> > [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of andrew strasfogel 
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:51 PM 
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need a lift? 
> > 
> > 
> > I really need a lift but my garage has a flat roof and the ceiling is 
> less 
> > than 10' off the ground so there is no way to lift the car high enough to 
> > stand beneath it. Anybody know a good alternative? Perhaps a scissors 
> > jack? 
> > 
> > Andrew 
> > 1983, 85 300TD with a long list of to-do's 
> > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote: 
> > 
> >> Rich Thomas wrote: 
> >> 
> >>> Looks like a shop closing, 6 lifts for sale 
> >>> 
> >>> http://charleston.craigslist.org/tls/1270128082.html 
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> Rotary is generally good stuff. 
> >> Mitch. 
> >> 
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Re: [MBZ] Need a lift?

[andrew strasfogel]

Frame, not cinder block.  I just had a new roof put on the garage, so I it's
neither timely nor cost-effective to raise the roof at this juncture...

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:36 AM, R A Bennell  wrote:

> If you zoning rules will allow it, raise the roof enough to permit the lift
> inside. That is assuming your garage is
> concrete block (do I remember that from an earlier post?). If it is frame
> construction, then lift the whole garage
> and put the concrete block addition on the bottom. Shouldn't be all that
> difficult or expensive. As I also recall,
> your wife is a designer. She, or someone she must know, should be able to
> come up with some means of making the
> facade look acceptable from the street at the increased height.
>
> Randy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:51 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need a lift?
>
>
> I really need a lift but my garage has a flat roof and the ceiling is less
> than 10' off the ground so there is no way to lift the car high enough to
> stand beneath it.  Anybody know a good alternative? Perhaps a scissors
> jack?
>
> Andrew
> 1983, 85 300TD with a long list of to-do's
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
>
> > Rich Thomas wrote:
> >
> >> Looks like a shop closing, 6 lifts for sale
> >>
> >> http://charleston.craigslist.org/tls/1270128082.html
> >>
> >
> > Rotary is generally good stuff.
> > Mitch.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Best source for dash caps/carpet covers

[andrew strasfogel]

Do a search on Ebay for "Mercedes dash cover".  I bought a custom fit blue
velour cover for my 300TD dash that looks and works great.  There is only
one company that sells these on Ebay, IIRC.

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 2:14 PM, David Bruckmann <
bruckma...@transcontinental.ca> wrote:

> Hi gang,
>
> Anyone have a recommendation for dash caps/dash covers? Rusty doesn't seem
> to carry them. I'm trying to protect a good dash on the W107 and W108. On
> the W123 it's about hiding the ginsu knife job.
>
> Any recs or experience good/bad would be appreciated.
>
> D.
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Re: [MBZ] Need a lift?

[andrew strasfogel]

OK, let's try a carrot on a stick approach.

The first person to submit a SENSIBLE and CONSTRUCTIVE suggestion will
receive a free shipment of my organically grown hot peppers or heirloom
tomatoes (or some of each).  Probably between now and mid-August.

Andrew

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 12:55 PM, dave walton  wrote:

> Just saws-all around the edges so the roof raises with the car.
>
> -Dave Walton
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:36 AM, R A Bennell wrote:
> > If you zoning rules will allow it, raise the roof enough to permit the
> lift inside. That is assuming your garage is
> > concrete block (do I remember that from an earlier post?). If it is frame
> construction, then lift the whole garage
> > and put the concrete block addition on the bottom. Shouldn't be all that
> difficult or expensive. As I also recall,
> > your wife is a designer. She, or someone she must know, should be able to
> come up with some means of making the
> > facade look acceptable from the street at the increased height.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
> > [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:51 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need a lift?
> >
> >
> > I really need a lift but my garage has a flat roof and the ceiling is
> less
> > than 10' off the ground so there is no way to lift the car high enough to
> > stand beneath it.  Anybody know a good alternative? Perhaps a scissors
> > jack?
> >
> > Andrew
> > 1983, 85 300TD with a long list of to-do's
> > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
> >
> >> Rich Thomas wrote:
> >>
> >>> Looks like a shop closing, 6 lifts for sale
> >>>
> >>> http://charleston.craigslist.org/tls/1270128082.html
> >>>
> >>
> >> Rotary is generally good stuff.
> >> Mitch.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: speeding

[tyler]

I absolutely disagree with what you're saying. Most judges are 
reasonable, and put the burden of proof on the officer, not the 
defendant- as is required by law.


The judge also has the power to adjust sentencing to make the punishment 
fit the crime. For example, over a year ago in Oregon I got a ticket for 
running snow tires out of season. What I was doing was illegal, and I 
admitted it to the judge- but pleaded not guilty (the only option which 
gets you to court) because it had in fact snowed a few days earlier, and 
I had put the tires on just for that snow storm, and had then been out 
of town and didn't have time to change them back. The judge found me 
guilty, but reduced the fine to the absolute minimum (from about $150 to 
like $10).


If you are professional, courteous and reasonable, and don't contradict 
the officers testimony (calling him a liar) but instead explain the 
circumstances surrounding your actions, most judges will give you the 
minimum sentence the law allows them to.


Tyler

Hendrik & Fay wrote:
Best off to just pay the thing, question is did you miss the sign or 
was the sign that badly vandalized that any reasonable person would 
not be able to make out what it was.
What is the basis of your challenge? That there was only one partially 
obscured sign?
You have to consider that a court will not go against an officer of 
the law unless you can absolutely prove that the issuing of the ticket 
was wrong. Can you do this?
I recently got a red light running ticket in my truck, situation was 
that a bus had partially pulled into my lane whilst wanting to turn at 
the traffic lights, there was a car to my left and I was busy watching 
my mirrors and the bus to see how far over I could go, in order to not 
hit the car or bus. By the time I saw that the lights where just about 
to turn red it was too late to safely stop.
I could go to court and explain the circumstances but the court would 
most likely say that given my experience I should have done better and 
stopped the truck if it was unsafe to proceed.


Hendrik


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[MBZ] Best source for dash caps/carpet covers

[David Bruckmann]

Hi gang,

Anyone have a recommendation for dash caps/dash covers? Rusty doesn't seem to 
carry them. I'm trying to protect a good dash on the W107 and W108. On the W123 
it's about hiding the ginsu knife job.

Any recs or experience good/bad would be appreciated.

D.

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Re: [MBZ] Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102 please stand up? Time lag

[pm7088]

New at diesels? They all rattle and bang when cold. Turn up the radio. 

-- 

Peter Arnold 

Windsor, CT 

- Original Message - 
From: "Robert Bigham"  
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 1:24:32 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102 please 
stand up? Time lag 

Hello Wilton; I'm back ! 

It seems that from a stone cold overnight wait, it's about 5 seconds from the 
time the engine starts until oil pressure is shown on the dash gauge. During 
that time the engine makes little metallic tapping and clicking noises. 

>From a 1 hr rest period and a semi-warm restart, it's more like 1 second from 
>the time the engine starts until oil pressure is shown on the dash gauge. 

I haven't had an opportunity to restart after a real road trip and a rest, but 
I can tell you it's slow, and the engine makes larger metallic tapping and 
clicking noises, which some have dismissed as "timing chain rattle," or 
something like that, until the dash gauge indicates oil pressure. These noises 
are big enough that my son the race engine builder was impressed by the noises. 

I'm sure there can't be a whole lot wrong, because I can cruise at 80 mph all 
day (I don't like to drive a whole lot faster than that). I have almost no 
noticeable oil consumption. I have driven the car at indicated 105 mph and it 
had some left. Total indicated mileage 155, 7xx miles. Mileage driven by me 
31,000 so far. 

Thanks for your interest. I'll be interested to see what you think. 


>From: Robert Bigham  

>Subject: Re: Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102 please stand 
>up? 
> 
> 
>Hello Wilton 
> 
>Good question, I suppose. Right now all I can say is "Long enough that I think 
>it shouldn't take that long." 
> 
>I will try to time it the next several times I start up and will furnish a 
>number as best I can. 
> 
>Thanks for your interest. Robert 
> 
> 
>> 2. Re: Will athe real expert on oiling system of Engine 102 
>> please stand up? (WILTON) 
>>Message: 2 
>>Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:51:48 -0400 
>>From: "WILTON"  
>>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Will athe real expert on oiling system of Engine 
>> 102 please stand up? 
>>To: "Mercedes Discussion List"  
>>Message-ID: <590e1688d9c946c8ba7407a4eaf48...@wiltonpc> 
>>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; 
>> reply-type=original 
>> 
>>So how long DOES it take to go 3 bar from cold start? 
>> 
>>Wilton 
>> 


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Re: [MBZ] Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102 please stand up? Time lag

[Robert Bigham]

Hello Wilton; I'm back !

It seems that from a stone cold overnight wait, it's about 5 seconds from the 
time the engine starts until oil pressure is shown on the dash gauge.   During 
that time the engine makes little metallic tapping and clicking noises.

>From a 1 hr rest period and a semi-warm restart, it's more like 1 second from 
>the time the engine starts until oil pressure is shown on the dash gauge.

I haven't had an opportunity to restart after a real road trip and a rest, but 
I can tell you it's slow, and the engine makes larger metallic tapping and 
clicking noises, which some have dismissed as "timing chain rattle," or 
something like that, until the dash gauge indicates oil pressure.   These 
noises are big enough that my son the race engine builder was impressed by the 
noises.

I'm sure there can't be a whole lot wrong, because I can cruise at 80 mph all 
day (I don't like to drive a whole lot faster than that).  I have almost no 
noticeable oil consumption.  I have driven the car at indicated 105 mph and it 
had some left.  Total indicated mileage 155, 7xx miles.  Mileage driven by me 
31,000 so far. 

Thanks for your interest.  I'll be interested to see what you think.


>From: Robert Bigham 

>Subject: Re: Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102 please stand 
>up?
>
>
>Hello Wilton
>
>Good question, I suppose.  Right now all I can say is "Long enough that I 
>think it shouldn't take that long."
>
>I will try to time it the next several times I start up and will furnish a 
>number as best I can. 
>
>Thanks for your interest.  Robert  
>
>
>>   2. Re: Will athe real expert on oiling system of Engine 102
>>  please stand up? (WILTON)
>>Message: 2
>>Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:51:48 -0400
>>From: "WILTON" 
>>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Will athe real expert on oiling system of Engine
>>  102 please stand up?
>>To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>>Message-ID: <590e1688d9c946c8ba7407a4eaf48...@wiltonpc>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>  reply-type=original
>>
>>So how long DOES it take to go 3 bar from cold start?
>>
>>Wilton
>>


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Re: [MBZ] Need a lift?

[dave walton]

Just saws-all around the edges so the roof raises with the car.

-Dave Walton


On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:36 AM, R A Bennell wrote:
> If you zoning rules will allow it, raise the roof enough to permit the lift 
> inside. That is assuming your garage is
> concrete block (do I remember that from an earlier post?). If it is frame 
> construction, then lift the whole garage
> and put the concrete block addition on the bottom. Shouldn't be all that 
> difficult or expensive. As I also recall,
> your wife is a designer. She, or someone she must know, should be able to 
> come up with some means of making the
> facade look acceptable from the street at the increased height.
>
> Randy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:51 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need a lift?
>
>
> I really need a lift but my garage has a flat roof and the ceiling is less
> than 10' off the ground so there is no way to lift the car high enough to
> stand beneath it.  Anybody know a good alternative? Perhaps a scissors
> jack?
>
> Andrew
> 1983, 85 300TD with a long list of to-do's
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
>
>> Rich Thomas wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like a shop closing, 6 lifts for sale
>>>
>>> http://charleston.craigslist.org/tls/1270128082.html
>>>
>>
>> Rotary is generally good stuff.
>> Mitch.
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Need a lift?

[R A Bennell]

If you zoning rules will allow it, raise the roof enough to permit the lift 
inside. That is assuming your garage is
concrete block (do I remember that from an earlier post?). If it is frame 
construction, then lift the whole garage
and put the concrete block addition on the bottom. Shouldn't be all that 
difficult or expensive. As I also recall,
your wife is a designer. She, or someone she must know, should be able to come 
up with some means of making the
facade look acceptable from the street at the increased height.

Randy

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:51 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need a lift?


I really need a lift but my garage has a flat roof and the ceiling is less
than 10' off the ground so there is no way to lift the car high enough to
stand beneath it.  Anybody know a good alternative? Perhaps a scissors
jack?

Andrew
1983, 85 300TD with a long list of to-do's
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Rich Thomas wrote:
>
>> Looks like a shop closing, 6 lifts for sale
>>
>> http://charleston.craigslist.org/tls/1270128082.html
>>
>
> Rotary is generally good stuff.
> Mitch.
>
>
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