Re: [MBZ] Nice rust-free W114 looking for a good home
David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca writes: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/ctd/1321739444.html Somebody save me from getting another MB! Wow if only I were closer Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearing grease
Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com writes: But my original questions still stands. Is there another source or another part number for a large quantity of grease? 500 g would be nice. Maybe ask at the dealer? Call Rusty? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Intake manifold
I have done some research on this repair and determined it is way beyond my skills. So now it is time to fight with Ford to get them to do it under warranty! Donald H Snook McDonald Tinker Law Firm (316) 263-5851 www.mtsqh.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anybody need any 123 coupe parts?
I do not have any coupe specific parts Robert Massmann wrote: Kaleb, I have an 85 300CD that is in need of a working window actuator mechanism. The current one is making dents in the botttom door sheet metal inside pushing out. Do you have an estimate of what one would be. Bob Massmann Oregonia Ohio 95 E300 diesel 275K 85 300CD 328K - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 6:44 PM Subject: [MBZ] anybody need any 123 coupe parts? Original Message Subject: Mercedes Benz Parts Available (LKQ Self Service) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:42:49 -0700 (PDT) From: ka...@striplin.net To: ka...@striplin.net ka...@striplin.net has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. Please see below for more information. Mercedes Benz Parts Available Reply to: sale-vgtf9-1305196...@craigslist.org Date: 2009-08-04, 10:19AM LKQ Self Service 3112 North Peoria Tulsa, OK 74106 918-794-7846 We just added two older Mercedez Benz cars to our inventory. The first one is a 82 230CE model and the second is a 79 280CE model. Everything is first come first serve, you will need to bring your tools to pull the parts. Please give us a call if you need a price quoted for a specific part. Everything we sell comes with a 30 day warranty and we have the best prices and selection in town. Our business hours are: Mon - Fri 9am - 6pm Sat - Sun 8am - 6pm * Location: LKQ Self Service * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://tulsa.craigslist.org/pts/1305196542.html /this craigslist posting was forwarded to you by someone using our email-a-friend feature - if you want to prevent these, please go to: / http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/sF2aAJWZyR3csBXau4Wa0VmbN -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090804/b9b96628/attachment.html -- next part -- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: Attached Message Part URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090804/b9b96628/attachment.pl ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.408 / Virus Database: 270.13.57/2303 - Release Date: 08/14/09 18:10:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090816/c03c172d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 201 shift rod needed
Thanks. Wont be able to finish up that project this weekend, so if I got one by next weekend that would be great. Christopher McCann wrote: I'm almost certain I have this from the 190E I parted out. Will let you know for sure tomorrow. Chris 126.120.161734 394Kkm Wulf --- On Sat, 8/15/09, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Subject: [MBZ] 201 shift rod needed To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com, davesl...@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 9:16 PM Does anybody have a shift rod from a 201 sitting around? Im working on this 190D that had the blown out missing flex disk, and the shift rod is MIA. I do not have anything in my stock that will work, apparently its a 201 thing only. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090816/835d26e2/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Intake manifold
good luck with that Donald Snook wrote: I have done some research on this repair and determined it is way beyond my skills. So now it is time to fight with Ford to get them to do it under warranty! Donald H Snook McDonald Tinker Law Firm (316) 263-5851 www.mtsqh.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.408 / Virus Database: 270.13.57/2303 - Release Date: 08/14/09 18:10:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090816/a6520360/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Intake manifold
Don Same thing happened to me on a 1996 towncar Limo. I got ford to give me the manifold. And talked the dealership into putting in at about 1/2 the labor rate. Good Luck. Peter On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: I have done some research on this repair and determined it is way beyond my skills. So now it is time to fight with Ford to get them to do it under warranty! Donald H Snook McDonald Tinker Law Firm (316) 263-5851 www.mtsqh.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090816/b021d1b3/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Intake manifold
Donald, Not sure if I'm repeating things mentioned earlier, but there was a well documented problem with intake manifolds cracking on the Crown Vics. I know about it from research I did on the car before the company bought me mine. There are a couple of good online forums for Crown Vics that you will probably find some references to the problem... Dan --- On Sun, 8/16/09, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com Subject: [MBZ] Intake manifold To: Mercedes Mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 10:27 AM I have done some research on this repair and determined it is way beyond my skills. So now it is time to fight with Ford to get them to do it under warranty! Donald H Snook McDonald Tinker Law Firm (316) 263-5851 www.mtsqh.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Shakin' and bakin' W123 300 turbo
I replaced the longer fuel line to the inline fuel filter. It turned out to be aged and cracked. Result: no more shaking! On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: Adjust the rack dampner bolt. Be careful, as adjusting until you have perfect idle can cause it to refuse to start cold from inadequate fuel delivery. Eventually, you will have to just live with the shake as the spring continues to degrade The 5 cylinder shake is longitudinal, which may appear to be side to side, and the most common cause is a worn rack return spring which allows the rack to oscillate in time with the engine vibration. That causes uneven fuel delivery, making the side to side action. The real cure, of course, is to take the IP completely apart and replace the spring, but it takes a full rebuild to get to it. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090816/fb2f6586/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W123 brakes
My braking has gotten noticably uneven and a bit grindy sounding. It seemed to start after the car had been sitting for a few weeks; initially I assumed it was just rust on the rotors but it never really evened out after I started driving the car again. There's also some noticable pulsation in the pedal. Less than two years ago I put on new front rotors. Also new calipers, pads, and hoses all around. Parts from Rusty. I don't recall the brand of pads but I would guess they were Pagid or maybe PBR. The pads appear to have about 1/4 or so of material remaining. Looking at the front rotors, the pads don't seem to be engaging much on the outer third or so of the diameter. This is more pronounce on the left than the right. Could this be due to improper or lack of shims under the pads? The rears I think need new rotors at this point. They are fairly worn and have some pronounced ridges on the outer half. From what I can tell, I should be able to tap these off the hubs once the wheel and caliper are removed is that right? Any recommended brands to use for these? The web site lists Balo, PBR, ATE, or Brembo. I'm thinking of putting on new Akebono pads all around, despite the extra expense. Comments? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Power antenna relay on 1985 300CD?
the power plug was misconnected. Antenna now fully extends but doesn't operate at half-mast, How misconnected? It's a keyed four-position (?) plug. Or do you have one of the modern three-wire replacements that does _not_ support any but full extension? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anybody need any 123 coupe parts?
i have a great running 280CE coupe i have to sell to some asian fellas for $500 cause none of you seem to want anything less than perfect for that kind of money. On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I do not have any coupe specific parts Robert Massmann wrote: Kaleb, I have an 85 300CD that is in need of a working window actuator mechanism. The current one is making dents in the botttom door sheet metal inside pushing out. Do you have an estimate of what one would be. Bob Massmann Oregonia Ohio 95 E300 diesel 275K 85 300CD 328K - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 6:44 PM Subject: [MBZ] anybody need any 123 coupe parts? Original Message Subject: Mercedes Benz Parts Available (LKQ Self Service) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:42:49 -0700 (PDT) From: ka...@striplin.net To: ka...@striplin.net ka...@striplin.net has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. Please see below for more information. Mercedes Benz Parts Available Reply to: sale-vgtf9-1305196...@craigslist.org Date: 2009-08-04, 10:19AM LKQ Self Service 3112 North Peoria Tulsa, OK 74106 918-794-7846 We just added two older Mercedez Benz cars to our inventory. The first one is a 82 230CE model and the second is a 79 280CE model. Everything is first come first serve, you will need to bring your tools to pull the parts. Please give us a call if you need a price quoted for a specific part. Everything we sell comes with a 30 day warranty and we have the best prices and selection in town. Our business hours are: Mon - Fri 9am - 6pm Sat - Sun 8am - 6pm * Location: LKQ Self Service * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://tulsa.craigslist.org/pts/1305196542.html /this craigslist posting was forwarded to you by someone using our email-a-friend feature - if you want to prevent these, please go to: / http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/sF2aAJWZyR3csBXau4Wa0VmbN -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090804/b9b96628/attachment.html -- next part -- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: Attached Message Part URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090804/b9b96628/attachment.pl ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.408 / Virus Database: 270.13.57/2303 - Release Date: 08/14/09 18:10:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090816/c03c172d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090816/f7975597/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 brakes
Looking at the front rotors, the pads don't seem to be engaging much on the outer third or so of the diameter. This is more pronounce on the left than the right. Could this be due to improper or lack of shims under the pads? How about grunge in the guides for the pads? Try taking apart and cleaning things out thoroughly, scraping etc. If the pucks are corroded that could do it too. The rears I think need new rotors at this point. They are fairly worn and have some pronounced ridges on the outer half. From what I can Those can be ground off, if things are otherwise OK. tell, I should be able to tap these off the hubs once the wheel and caliper are removed is that right? Not if the parking brake shoes are embedded into gouges. You may need to back those off before trying. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anybody need any 123 coupe parts?
Which door? LarryT Demand that any Health care reform that gets passed, must force members of the Legislative, Judicial Executive Branches of government to be included as well! - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Robert Massmann rmassm...@embarqmail.com Cc: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] anybody need any 123 coupe parts? I do not have any coupe specific parts Robert Massmann wrote: Kaleb, I have an 85 300CD that is in need of a working window actuator mechanism. The current one is making dents in the botttom door sheet metal inside pushing out. Do you have an estimate of what one would be. Bob Massmann Oregonia Ohio 95 E300 diesel 275K 85 300CD 328K - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 6:44 PM Subject: [MBZ] anybody need any 123 coupe parts? Original Message Subject: Mercedes Benz Parts Available (LKQ Self Service) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:42:49 -0700 (PDT) From: ka...@striplin.net To: ka...@striplin.net ka...@striplin.net has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. Please see below for more information. Mercedes Benz Parts Available Reply to: sale-vgtf9-1305196...@craigslist.org Date: 2009-08-04, 10:19AM LKQ Self Service 3112 North Peoria Tulsa, OK 74106 918-794-7846 We just added two older Mercedez Benz cars to our inventory. The first one is a 82 230CE model and the second is a 79 280CE model. Everything is first come first serve, you will need to bring your tools to pull the parts. Please give us a call if you need a price quoted for a specific part. Everything we sell comes with a 30 day warranty and we have the best prices and selection in town. Our business hours are: Mon - Fri 9am - 6pm Sat - Sun 8am - 6pm * Location: LKQ Self Service * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://tulsa.craigslist.org/pts/1305196542.html /this craigslist posting was forwarded to you by someone using our email-a-friend feature - if you want to prevent these, please go to: / http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/sF2aAJWZyR3csBXau4Wa0VmbN -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090804/b9b96628/attachment.html -- next part -- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: Attached Message Part URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090804/b9b96628/attachment.pl ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.408 / Virus Database: 270.13.57/2303 - Release Date: 08/14/09 18:10:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090816/c03c172d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] do I have bent rods?
Quick backstory for those who might have forgotten. 92 300SD, been using oil for a while, no big smoke but you can smell it from time to time. Started using cooling maybe 6 months or more ago. Been getting worse to the point it uses about as much coolant or more than oil. Probably have to top it off once every couple of weeks. About the same with the oil. Anyway, Top radiator hose does not seem to get real hard like some of them do, as was discussed before. There is also quite a bit of oil seeping out from somewhere near the front passenger side, above the alternator area. Hard to tell where its coming from. So today, I pulled the manifold to do compression check. Seems like some oil in the #1, #2, and slight bit toward #3 area of drivers side head. Here are the numbers #1 410 #2 430 #3 420 #4 450 #5 440 #6 415 Also, the number 1 glow plug had a little bit of a white crust on the tip (see pic) maybe its burned coolant? So, I am probably going to have to pul the head. First of all, would a compression check even turn up bent rods? If so, can you tell anything from my numbers? #1 and #6 are the lowest, but dont seem real low to me, still seems like good numbers. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 603glowplug.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 158798 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090816/d76f053b/attachment.jpe ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 201 shift rod needed
The one I have is from a 123, not 201. Sorry. Chris 126.120.161734 394Kkm Wulf --- On Sat, 8/15/09, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Subject: [MBZ] 201 shift rod needed To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com, davesl...@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 9:16 PM Does anybody have a shift rod from a 201 sitting around? Im working on this 190D that had the blown out missing flex disk, and the shift rod is MIA. I do not have anything in my stock that will work, apparently its a 201 thing only. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] do I have bent rods?
Kaleb: Bent rods in a 603 almost always result in extremely rapid cylinder ovalization, accompanied by huge amounts of oil smoke, clanking pistons, and other assorted noises. This is because the rods almost invariably twist and set the piston off axis in the bore. That wears the bore oval in a matter of minutes, hence the sudden extreme oil consumption. We are talking quarts an hour, with the smoke you'd expect.A totally blown out turbo will do the smoke thing, but no running issues or sounds as it is dumping copious oil into the intake AND hot exhaust. Coolant loss with moderate oil consumption, especially if there is oil in the coolant, indicates either a cracked head or a blown head gasket. Since you have normal compression in all but #1 and #6, I would suspect a bad head gasket, as they fail first on those two cylinders and between #3 and 4 or 56 for some reason. Could easily be a cracked head, though, as cracks between the valves do not lead to oil passages and the coolant gets sucked into the combustion chambers. Considerable white smoke and rough running cold are clues to that. Oil consumption can come from leaks at front seal, head gasket at chain case, chain tensioner, bad oil filler cap, and turbocharger, both from leaking lines and from bad internal seats. I'd pull the head myself, as a bad head gasket will eventually leak oil into #1. There is an oil passage machined in the face of the head across the front, and new head gaskets are metal re-enforced there, but they can still leak. Eventually there will be enough oil in there to bend #1 rod. The gasket will also leak combustion gasses out into the bolt holes, making it hard to get the bolts out. BTDT. We saved my brother's SDL because an exhaust repair caused us to discover a broken exhaust stud, hence head removal. Car ran fine, but it was leaking oil into #1 from a dead gasket. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] do I have bent rods?
Kaleb, I do not have direct experience with this engine, but I can say that from the years of diesel experience I have (and gas, for that matter as well,) that the numbers you posted are all within 10% of each other, meaning that more likely than not there is no rod, piston or bottom end problem. For that matter, I'm willing to bet you just have a leaky head gasket between a pair of the cylinders and coolant is seeping into one of them. Might only happen when it's cold, possibly. I don't think there is anything significant going on here in my opinion. You'll get the full story when the head is pulled, but I still wouldn't expect a major failure IMHO. Dan --- On Sun, 8/16/09, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Subject: [MBZ] do I have bent rods? To: davesl...@okiebenz.com, mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 5:16 PM Quick backstory for those who might have forgotten. 92 300SD, been using oil for a while, no big smoke but you can smell it from time to time. Started using cooling maybe 6 months or more ago. Been getting worse to the point it uses about as much coolant or more than oil. Probably have to top it off once every couple of weeks. About the same with the oil. Anyway, Top radiator hose does not seem to get real hard like some of them do, as was discussed before. There is also quite a bit of oil seeping out from somewhere near the front passenger side, above the alternator area. Hard to tell where its coming from. So today, I pulled the manifold to do compression check. Seems like some oil in the #1, #2, and slight bit toward #3 area of drivers side head. Here are the numbers #1 410 #2 430 #3 420 #4 450 #5 440 #6 415 Also, the number 1 glow plug had a little bit of a white crust on the tip (see pic) maybe its burned coolant? So, I am probably going to have to pul the head. First of all, would a compression check even turn up bent rods? If so, can you tell anything from my numbers? #1 and #6 are the lowest, but dont seem real low to me, still seems like good numbers. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 603glowplug.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 158798 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090816/d76f053b/attachment.jpe ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Rotating Tires after 30K miles
A lady down the street has an '05 E320 that she hasn't rotated the tires on for 30K miles. They look like they are rearing nice and evenly. Should she just leave them alone or should she go tomorrow and et them rotated? Bob R -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090816/9803e940/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 201 shift rod needed
damn, oh well, I guess I will have to see how much Rusty can get one for. Christopher McCann wrote: The one I have is from a 123, not 201. Sorry. Chris 126.120.161734 394Kkm Wulf --- On Sat, 8/15/09, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Subject: [MBZ] 201 shift rod needed To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com, davesl...@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 9:16 PM Does anybody have a shift rod from a 201 sitting around? Im working on this 190D that had the blown out missing flex disk, and the shift rod is MIA. I do not have anything in my stock that will work, apparently its a 201 thing only. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.408 / Virus Database: 270.13.57/2303 - Release Date: 08/14/09 18:10:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090816/5edc2687/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] do I have bent rods?
I am probably going to start pulling the head next weekend. Turbo was just replaced last year, which I thought would end the oil consumption but it didnt. Yes, it did fail with big HUGE clouds of oil smoke. Peter Frederick wrote: Kaleb: Bent rods in a 603 almost always result in extremely rapid cylinder ovalization, accompanied by huge amounts of oil smoke, clanking pistons, and other assorted noises. This is because the rods almost invariably twist and set the piston off axis in the bore. That wears the bore oval in a matter of minutes, hence the sudden extreme oil consumption. We are talking quarts an hour, with the smoke you'd expect.A totally blown out turbo will do the smoke thing, but no running issues or sounds as it is dumping copious oil into the intake AND hot exhaust. Coolant loss with moderate oil consumption, especially if there is oil in the coolant, indicates either a cracked head or a blown head gasket. Since you have normal compression in all but #1 and #6, I would suspect a bad head gasket, as they fail first on those two cylinders and between #3 and 4 or 56 for some reason. Could easily be a cracked head, though, as cracks between the valves do not lead to oil passages and the coolant gets sucked into the combustion chambers. Considerable white smoke and rough running cold are clues to that. Oil consumption can come from leaks at front seal, head gasket at chain case, chain tensioner, bad oil filler cap, and turbocharger, both from leaking lines and from bad internal seats. I'd pull the head myself, as a bad head gasket will eventually leak oil into #1. There is an oil passage machined in the face of the head across the front, and new head gaskets are metal re-enforced there, but they can still leak. Eventually there will be enough oil in there to bend #1 rod. The gasket will also leak combustion gasses out into the bolt holes, making it hard to get the bolts out. BTDT. We saved my brother's SDL because an exhaust repair caused us to discover a broken exhaust stud, hence head removal. Car ran fine, but it was leaking oil into #1 from a dead gasket. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] do I have bent rods?
One other thing I noticed looking down into the intake ports the top of the valves and the valve stems have quite a bit of carbon and junk in them. Engine just seems like it runs too go to have the bent rod problem, no noise, no nothing really, just runs great. LWB250 wrote: Kaleb, I do not have direct experience with this engine, but I can say that from the years of diesel experience I have (and gas, for that matter as well,) that the numbers you posted are all within 10% of each other, meaning that more likely than not there is no rod, piston or bottom end problem. For that matter, I'm willing to bet you just have a leaky head gasket between a pair of the cylinders and coolant is seeping into one of them. Might only happen when it's cold, possibly. I don't think there is anything significant going on here in my opinion. You'll get the full story when the head is pulled, but I still wouldn't expect a major failure IMHO. Dan --- On Sun, 8/16/09, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Subject: [MBZ] do I have bent rods? To: davesl...@okiebenz.com, mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 5:16 PM Quick backstory for those who might have forgotten. 92 300SD, been using oil for a while, no big smoke but you can smell it from time to time. Started using cooling maybe 6 months or more ago. Been getting worse to the point it uses about as much coolant or more than oil. Probably have to top it off once every couple of weeks. About the same with the oil. Anyway, Top radiator hose does not seem to get real hard like some of them do, as was discussed before. There is also quite a bit of oil seeping out from somewhere near the front passenger side, above the alternator area. Hard to tell where its coming from. So today, I pulled the manifold to do compression check. Seems like some oil in the #1, #2, and slight bit toward #3 area of drivers side head. Here are the numbers #1 410 #2 430 #3 420 #4 450 #5 440 #6 415 Also, the number 1 glow plug had a little bit of a white crust on the tip (see pic) maybe its burned coolant? So, I am probably going to have to pul the head. First of all, would a compression check even turn up bent rods? If so, can you tell anything from my numbers? #1 and #6 are the lowest, but dont seem real low to me, still seems like good numbers. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 603glowplug.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 158798 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090816/d76f053b/attachment.jpe ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090816/8f3f7a2e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] do I have bent rods?
When I have the head off, Im going to have to rotate the engine around to get each piston at TDC to do the measuring, correct? Never had to do this before. Jim Cathey wrote: First of all, would a compression check even turn up bent rods? If so, can you tell anything from my numbers? Once the cylinder was worn oval I'd expect some compression problems. Once the head is off you can mike the piston heights directly and see if a rod is bent. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotating Tires after 30K miles
On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:30:25 -0700 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: A lady down the street has an '05 E320 that she hasn't rotated the tires on for 30K miles. They look like they are rearing nice and evenly. Should she just leave them alone or should she go tomorrow and et them rotated? What does her owner's manual say about this? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 140 aux fan needed
Got another part I am on the lookout for, a 140 aux cooling fan. As luck would have it, my parts 140 has them missing!! If you have one, let me know -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Power antenna relay on 1985 300CD?
Why/when would you want it at half-mast? Wilton - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Power antenna relay on 1985 300CD? the power plug was misconnected. Antenna now fully extends but doesn't operate at half-mast, How misconnected? It's a keyed four-position (?) plug. Or do you have one of the modern three-wire replacements that does _not_ support any but full extension? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] had a brain flash (or brain fart) today
Several years ago, I had the website and email address of a guy in BC who put 616 engines in all kinds of 4WD stuff used in the Canadian outback (upnort) A diligent web search should turn it up again, however, it is out of your budget! At 07:08 PM 8/9/2009, you wrote: Wife and I were sitting at a Quiznos (Carroll IA) having lunch this afternoon. Jeep CJ-7 pulled into the parking lot. Suddenly started thinking about how cool it would be to stuff a 616 and matching transmission into a Jeep. I drove the 30 miles home cataloging all of the gotchas that would be involved, but also thinking about what a nice and unique vehicle it would be. I wonder if anyone has pulled this off? -- The young officer thought it very odd that his captain seemed to trust and confide in his chiefs more than his wardroom, but mustang officers had their own ways. -- Tom Clancy, Clear and Present Danger. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090809/ce2a8442/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel trucks
RE CHeep Liberty I was not too thrilled when I found out the engine was made in Italy. Couldn't understand why D-C would put in a furrin engine when the D-B part of D-C makes the best diesel engines available. Read: forget about ever finding parts after the first 3 years Then the neighbor up nort showed up driving one. I asked him about it, and they love it. I asked about parts for the oddball engine. He said No problem, I can just call up bob I said, who's Bob? He said Bob orders all the parts form Italy. Mercury (Marine) has been using that engine for years! (Neighbor is recently retired from Mercury Marine) (Works good as long as Bob knows you) For the rest of us, living close to a large Mercury marine dealer would help! At 03:53 PM 8/12/2009, you wrote: The other thing to remember when somebody says Americans won't buy diesels is the waiting list for a VW diesel. When Jeep made the diesel Liberty they were sold out BEFORE they got to dealerships... Of course they made some stupid small number (like 8000) a year... -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090812/dfc1cb31/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Smoky Diesels was Re: 4Matic
Problem is that around here almost every bonehead that has a IH engined pickup or a cummins engined pickup, put in the chips, over fuel them and put on loud pipes. (and then drive them like idiots) Apparently the GM/isuzu engine won't stand up to that, because I can't remember seeing/hearing a smoky/loud GM pickup I do like the stock new (2007+) GM and Dodge pickups for how quiet they are, stock. In my if I were dictator thoughts, I have contemplated to add to the year-round open season on lawyers and loud harleys, loud pickups. At 07:05 PM 8/12/2009, you wrote: Wilton said that the Smoky F250/F350 trucks aren't a good image for Diesels. That's where the Cummins Bluetec and Duramax come in, quiet, powerful and very little smoke unless they're chipped and piped. Our '07 Ram hardly smells like Diesel. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR between MB Diesels, ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W123 Aux Fan Switch Location and testing?
I am hoping someone can help. The aux fan in the wife's '79 DT does not seem to be working correctly. If I knew where the thermostatic switch was, I guess I could short across the leads to test the fan and the switch, but I am clueless as to its location. I have perused the factory CD manual to no avail. Please help restore domestic bliss in my home! Any other tips will be greatly appreciated. TIA. Greg Fiorentino '85 300SD '80 240D 4 spd. manual '79 300DT (with new crate engine) '95 and '97 Crown Vics '97 F-250HD Crew Cab 7.3 Powerstroke ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Hursty's list history
Not so fast. I started out as a member of Alex Gabbards Mercedes-veterans.com list of which dickarde (who later started mbz.org) was a member. When Alex got tired of administering the list, dickarde, seeing a potential to rake in rapacious fees from Hursty, started up mbz.org, and grew it into several lists, veterans, Diesel, 108, banned and more We are talking about 1998 or so here, when dickarde took over administering the veterans list, then migrated it to mbz.org I am not sure of the timing of those banned form the R/E list, as I was only a member of the RE list for a short while. My impression was that it was after dickarde had already moved the veterans list to mbz.org. At 09:26 PM 8/12/2009, you wrote: marshall is historically the only reason this list exists. the whole mbz.org list system (apart from banned) was contingent upon marshall's agreed participation. had marhall said no, the plan was to never start the diesel list. just a bit of old school trivia for those of you who might still care On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com wrote: After how much fun we made (and still make) of his maintenance suggestions? The short version is this. I asked him to come to the IowaQ as the guest of honor, and he said that he couldn't attend due to health issues and would never again be able to travel anywhere due to the cancer, but said how much he wished he could join us, and would be here if he physically could. There was a bit more ... but that is the important stuff. Even while he was (I am assuming) in hospice, he still wanted to get together with Benz owners, but his body gave out before his will to get together did. His final words to me were: NEVER by a car from Kaleb. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: you should share it with all. -- The young officer thought it very odd that his captain seemed to trust and confide in his chiefs more than his wardroom, but mustang officers had their own ways. -- Tom Clancy, Clear and Present Danger. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090812/ab4d0254/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090812/7424b855/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Power antenna relay on 1985 300CD?
We are in an areas with multiple TV and radio broadcasting stations so need to lower the antenna occasionally to combat signal bleeding. On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:59 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Why/when would you want it at half-mast? Wilton - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Power antenna relay on 1985 300CD? the power plug was misconnected. Antenna now fully extends but doesn't operate at half-mast, How misconnected? It's a keyed four-position (?) plug. Or do you have one of the modern three-wire replacements that does _not_ support any but full extension? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090816/115cb1a9/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Power antenna relay on 1985 300CD?
The power wire for the antenna was not plugged into the correct jack on the radio. The antenna plug has 4 pins but doesn't function as it should. On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: the power plug was misconnected. Antenna now fully extends but doesn't operate at half-mast, How misconnected? It's a keyed four-position (?) plug. Or do you have one of the modern three-wire replacements that does _not_ support any but full extension? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090816/13e53b55/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hursty's list history
Whatever happened to good old Alex anyway? On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.comwrote: Not so fast. I started out as a member of Alex Gabbards Mercedes-veterans.com list of which dickarde (who later started mbz.org) was a member. When Alex got tired of administering the list, dickarde, seeing a potential to rake in rapacious fees from Hursty, started up mbz.org, and grew it into several lists, veterans, Diesel, 108, banned and more We are talking about 1998 or so here, when dickarde took over administering the veterans list, then migrated it to mbz.org I am not sure of the timing of those banned form the R/E list, as I was only a member of the RE list for a short while. My impression was that it was after dickarde had already moved the veterans list to mbz.org. At 09:26 PM 8/12/2009, you wrote: marshall is historically the only reason this list exists. the whole mbz.org list system (apart from banned) was contingent upon marshall's agreed participation. had marhall said no, the plan was to never start the diesel list. just a bit of old school trivia for those of you who might still care On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com wrote: After how much fun we made (and still make) of his maintenance suggestions? The short version is this. I asked him to come to the IowaQ as the guest of honor, and he said that he couldn't attend due to health issues and would never again be able to travel anywhere due to the cancer, but said how much he wished he could join us, and would be here if he physically could. There was a bit more ... but that is the important stuff. Even while he was (I am assuming) in hospice, he still wanted to get together with Benz owners, but his body gave out before his will to get together did. His final words to me were: NEVER by a car from Kaleb. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: you should share it with all. -- The young officer thought it very odd that his captain seemed to trust and confide in his chiefs more than his wardroom, but mustang officers had their own ways. -- Tom Clancy, Clear and Present Danger. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090812/ab4d0254/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090812/7424b855/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090816/e9bff673/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal
No Way! it would be easier to put a 123 OM 616 or 617 in the 115. major problems are flywheel/trans mating; oil filter and motor mounts. Of those, the motor mounts are the easiest. THere is probably a factory set of motor mount arms somewhere that will bolt in, or can be mounted on 2 of the 4 motor mount bolts, and one additional bolt fore or aft that just happens to already be there. To install the 123 616 into the 110 chassis, we made a cover plate for the oil filter, and the block, where the filter mounts. then we could mount the oil filter remotely, and connect the 2 plates via hoses. Actually, I think you could take your 615 block and use all 616 components to rebuild it. I thought about trying that with the OM 621. THen the block would bolt in, and you would have a 616 in all other aspects. I think you could also use the 615 crank and flywheel assembly, so the trans end would bolt up too. bear in mind the last paragraph is speculation. the 616 in 110 transplant, I did At 03:44 PM 8/12/2009, you wrote: Can I put a 615 motor into a W123? Thanks, Bruce Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Hursty's list history WAS: bye bye Marshall
Dickarde definitely was running the veterans list before the Diesel list was started. Hursty, you have given me the timeline I was missing or unsure about. So Hursty, I propose changing your statement a little. This list would not have existed without Alex Gabbard, and Herr Doktor and the Diesel list would not have started without Dr. Booth. You might want to add: You would have been money ahead without meeting dickarde. Most of the charter members of the Okiebenz list were members of the Diesel list. After dickarde was successful in starting the Diesel list, it siphoned off members like me and OK Don, who was then known by his real name, from the veterans list. THe 108 list siphoned off more members of the veterans list. each subsequent list siphoned off members from the veterans list. After dickarde smoked a few too many and melted down, Kaleb picked up the pieces he found, and put together one list, much like the original veterans list, but without most of the international members. (Yes, we have Bennell, whom I appreciate even if he is a lawyer and one errant lost Aussie, but the Veterans had a whole raft of Aussies, including Greene, who was no slouch on technical stuff, and Frada, who was a hoot) Then there were Gabbard and others from Europe, an occasional Indonesian and a few South Africans, so it gave us a perspective of Air, Land and Sea, the world around I still miss the veterans list, but I consider the character of this list to be essentially the same as the original Mascedes-veterans list. Thanks Kaleb, for running a fun list! At 03:20 PM 8/13/2009, you wrote: i'd guess 98 or 99, but someone like little tommy would remember such a thing. to sum it up briefly as i understand it: in the beginning, there was dave realtime and esa ahola. figure about 95ish. a dominant figure on the list was cookies and he really pissed off a ton of people everyday. ritter and easley then started their own list to be kinder and gentler and cookies free, maybe about 96 or 97. one stuart steele was doing the listmom thing for ritter/easley and he and ritter undertook basically what amounted to purges of all dissidents. the mbz.org lists began as a reaction to those purges, beginning with banned as a safe haven for mercedesphiles who had been purged from ritter/easley. as ritter/easley purported to be kinder and gentler, banned went out of its way to be exactly the opposite so while it did contain tech information, it was not a fit forum for many who wished to participate in an alternative tech list. so richard sexton and i decided that if dr booth as willing to participate in the proposed diesel list, we'd run out a bunch of more democratic and open lists via mbz.org then richard and mbz.org had one final nuclear meltdown and lists disappeared, but kaleb took the initiative and stepped up to keep them alive (originally while richard brought the lists back up, but now permanently) and that is where we are today. On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com wrote: When did the list actually start? I have been on /off over many years . Marshall always helped out and made sense of many things than perflexed one Peter 2009/8/13 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net But we have you now. --R Gary Hurst wrote: marshall is historically the only reason this list exists. the whole mbz.org list system (apart from banned) was contingent upon marshall's agreed participation. had marhall said no, the plan was to never start the diesel list. just a bit of old school trivia for those of you who might still care = ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090813/c1fcdb2a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090813/db48a92c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and
Re: [MBZ] Hursty's list history
Alex has a facebook page. He never did finish his 220SE project. I talked to him about a year ago. Looks like mercedes-veterans.com has been unfunded. Last year, it was still in existence. you might check web archives for archived pages. For some reason, Alex looks about 10 years older. Can't understand why! At 09:32 PM 8/16/2009, you wrote: Whatever happened to good old Alex anyway? On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.comwrote: Not so fast. I started out as a member of Alex Gabbards Mercedes-veterans.com list of which dickarde (who later started mbz.org) was a member. When Alex got tired of administering the list, dickarde, seeing a potential to rake in rapacious fees from Hursty, started up mbz.org, and grew it into several lists, veterans, Diesel, 108, banned and more We are talking about 1998 or so here, when dickarde took over administering the veterans list, then migrated it to mbz.org I am not sure of the timing of those banned form the R/E list, as I was only a member of the RE list for a short while. My impression was that it was after dickarde had already moved the veterans list to mbz.org. At 09:26 PM 8/12/2009, you wrote: marshall is historically the only reason this list exists. the whole mbz.org list system (apart from banned) was contingent upon marshall's agreed participation. had marhall said no, the plan was to never start the diesel list. just a bit of old school trivia for those of you who might still care On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com wrote: After how much fun we made (and still make) of his maintenance suggestions? The short version is this. I asked him to come to the IowaQ as the guest of honor, and he said that he couldn't attend due to health issues and would never again be able to travel anywhere due to the cancer, but said how much he wished he could join us, and would be here if he physically could. There was a bit more ... but that is the important stuff. Even while he was (I am assuming) in hospice, he still wanted to get together with Benz owners, but his body gave out before his will to get together did. His final words to me were: NEVER by a car from Kaleb. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: you should share it with all. -- The young officer thought it very odd that his captain seemed to trust and confide in his chiefs more than his wardroom, but mustang officers had their own ways. -- Tom Clancy, Clear and Present Danger. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090812/ab4d0254/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090812/7424b855/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090816/e9bff673/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel trucks
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.comwrote: I was not too thrilled when I found out the engine was made in Italy. Couldn't understand why D-C would put in a furrin engine when the D-B part of D-C makes the best diesel engines available. VM Motori is an Italian *based* Diesel engine manufacturer that was purchased by Detroit Diesel in 1995. Wait bought from Detroit Diesel by DaimlerChrysler in 2000 But we all remember DaimlerChrysler doing extremely well by 2003, so they sold a 51% stake to VM Motori to Penske Corp. Ah! But in 2007, Penske bought the rest of it. Either way, VM Motori was well known to DaimlerChrysler, err, Chrysler Corp to use an engine in the Jeep Liberty. Oh, no ... wait . They've been putting VM Motori engines in the European Cherokee since 1995 . when Detroit Diesel bought them hmm. I wonder why they would put an Italian Diesel in an off road err Range Rover Diesels have been VM Motori since 1980. But that's just a coincidence, I'd guess. I mean you wouldn't see a VM Motori engine in, say, a GM or Ford product would . oh, nevermind, they are in there too. You know what . parts for these things might be *easier* to find than any other foreign based Diesel, maybe I need to pick one or three up. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090816/f92b1508/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hursty's list history
Nobody is gonna mention Eric Via? I miss ole David Frada, as well as many of the other characters on the older lists. I was a member of most of them, one time or another, still see the ponton list and what's left of the R/E list as well as this group today. And pooferator Hank is my buddy. He's seen me thru thick and thin, I really enjoy the guy. And my buddy Don B. We went to a few nascar races together, he was pretty outspoken about the Viet Nam war ( as a veteran of it ) as well as a few other things that got him in hot water a few times on R/E. I have not heard from him in a while, but he's still floating around up there in the mountains. I am going up there in a few weeks, may look him up. Yep, thanks kleb for the list service. It is a lot of fun, and some good people. Richard --- On Mon, 8/17/09, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com wrote: From: Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com Subject: [MBZ] Hursty's list history WAS: bye bye Marshall To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 2:40 AM Dickarde definitely was running the veterans list before the Diesel list was started. Hursty, you have given me the timeline I was missing or unsure about. So Hursty, I propose changing your statement a little. This list would not have existed without Alex Gabbard, and Herr Doktor and the Diesel list would not have started without Dr. Booth. You might want to add: You would have been money ahead without meeting dickarde. Most of the charter members of the Okiebenz list were members of the Diesel list. After dickarde was successful in starting the Diesel list, it siphoned off members like me and OK Don, who was then known by his real name, from the veterans list. THe 108 list siphoned off more members of the veterans list. each subsequent list siphoned off members from the veterans list. After dickarde smoked a few too many and melted down, Kaleb picked up the pieces he found, and put together one list, much like the original veterans list, but without most of the international members. (Yes, we have Bennell, whom I appreciate even if he is a lawyer and one errant lost Aussie, but the Veterans had a whole raft of Aussies, including Greene, who was no slouch on technical stuff, and Frada, who was a hoot) Then there were Gabbard and others from Europe, an occasional Indonesian and a few South Africans, so it gave us a perspective of Air, Land and Sea, the world around I still miss the veterans list, but I consider the character of this list to be essentially the same as the original Mascedes-veterans list. Thanks Kaleb, for running a fun list! At 03:20 PM 8/13/2009, you wrote: i'd guess 98 or 99, but someone like little tommy would remember such a thing. to sum it up briefly as i understand it: in the beginning, there was dave realtime and esa ahola. figure about 95ish. a dominant figure on the list was cookies and he really pissed off a ton of people everyday. ritter and easley then started their own list to be kinder and gentler and cookies free, maybe about 96 or 97. one stuart steele was doing the listmom thing for ritter/easley and he and ritter undertook basically what amounted to purges of all dissidents. the mbz.org lists began as a reaction to those purges, beginning with banned as a safe haven for mercedesphiles who had been purged from ritter/easley. as ritter/easley purported to be kinder and gentler, banned went out of its way to be exactly the opposite so while it did contain tech information, it was not a fit forum for many who wished to participate in an alternative tech list. so richard sexton and i decided that if dr booth as willing to participate in the proposed diesel list, we'd run out a bunch of more democratic and open lists via mbz.org then richard and mbz.org had one final nuclear meltdown and lists disappeared, but kaleb took the initiative and stepped up to keep them alive (originally while richard brought the lists back up, but now permanently) and that is where we are today. On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com wrote: When did the list actually start? I have been on /off over many years . Marshall always helped out and made sense of many things than perflexed one Peter 2009/8/13 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net But we have you now. --R Gary Hurst wrote: marshall is historically the only reason this list exists. the whole mbz.org list system (apart from banned) was contingent upon marshall's agreed participation. had marhall said no, the plan was to never start the diesel list. just a bit of old school trivia for those of you who might still care = ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new
Re: [MBZ] Hursty's list history
the vets list was simply a matter of hosting and not related to the other mbz.org lists, so whether it was hosted prior to the purges or not is not relevant On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.comwrote: Not so fast. I started out as a member of Alex Gabbards Mercedes-veterans.com list of which dickarde (who later started mbz.org) was a member. When Alex got tired of administering the list, dickarde, seeing a potential to rake in rapacious fees from Hursty, started up mbz.org, and grew it into several lists, veterans, Diesel, 108, banned and more We are talking about 1998 or so here, when dickarde took over administering the veterans list, then migrated it to mbz.org I am not sure of the timing of those banned form the R/E list, as I was only a member of the RE list for a short while. My impression was that it was after dickarde had already moved the veterans list to mbz.org. At 09:26 PM 8/12/2009, you wrote: marshall is historically the only reason this list exists. the whole mbz.org list system (apart from banned) was contingent upon marshall's agreed participation. had marhall said no, the plan was to never start the diesel list. just a bit of old school trivia for those of you who might still care On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com wrote: After how much fun we made (and still make) of his maintenance suggestions? The short version is this. I asked him to come to the IowaQ as the guest of honor, and he said that he couldn't attend due to health issues and would never again be able to travel anywhere due to the cancer, but said how much he wished he could join us, and would be here if he physically could. There was a bit more ... but that is the important stuff. Even while he was (I am assuming) in hospice, he still wanted to get together with Benz owners, but his body gave out before his will to get together did. His final words to me were: NEVER by a car from Kaleb. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: you should share it with all. -- The young officer thought it very odd that his captain seemed to trust and confide in his chiefs more than his wardroom, but mustang officers had their own ways. -- Tom Clancy, Clear and Present Danger. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090812/ab4d0254/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090812/7424b855/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090816/dbb36bdf/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hursty's list history WAS: bye bye Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel trucks
Also, according to their website, the currently produced vehicles with their engines are the Chrysler Voyager, Jeep Liberty, Jeep Cherokee, Jeep Wrangler, the LTI Taxi, Chevrolet Captiva, LDV Maxus (Benz Sprinter style of van), and the BMC Megastar van. All, I'm sure, European if not primarily U.K. based vehicles. Past vehicles with a VM Motori engine have included the: Alfa Romeo Alfetta, Giulietta, 6, 75, 90, 33, 164 and 155. Chrysler Cherokee, Grand Cherokee, Dakota and Voyager. Toyota Land Cruiser. Ford Scorpio. Rover SD1, 825 TD and Land Rover Range Rover Opel Frontera They are apparently well respected, as they show up all over the board. As well as their stationary and marine application engines. Including apparently a V16 Diesel. That's the one we need over here! EdB -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090816/ca8d0a71/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel trucks
That is a hilarious history. SO is the VM what is in the Diesel grand caravans in you-rope? I'd sure like to sneak one of them into this country! I really wanted a 2007 Bluetec Grand Caravan that was reported in 2006 as a fact. (until the big divorce got public) I would really like the DB Bluetec engine in a grand Caravan. Ya gotta excuse my ignorance (about VM) and prejudice for OM series Diesels from DB or whatever they call themselves the past few years. I have been driving and working on those engines for 30 some years. I have never even seen a VM diesel, and I never heard of it until the liberty came out. At 10:12 PM 8/16/2009, you wrote: On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.comwrote: I was not too thrilled when I found out the engine was made in Italy. Couldn't understand why D-C would put in a furrin engine when the D-B part of D-C makes the best diesel engines available. VM Motori is an Italian *based* Diesel engine manufacturer that was purchased by Detroit Diesel in 1995. Wait bought from Detroit Diesel by DaimlerChrysler in 2000 But we all remember DaimlerChrysler doing extremely well by 2003, so they sold a 51% stake to VM Motori to Penske Corp. Ah! But in 2007, Penske bought the rest of it. Either way, VM Motori was well known to DaimlerChrysler, err, Chrysler Corp to use an engine in the Jeep Liberty. Oh, no ... wait . They've been putting VM Motori engines in the European Cherokee since 1995 . when Detroit Diesel bought them hmm. I wonder why they would put an Italian Diesel in an off road err Range Rover Diesels have been VM Motori since 1980. But that's just a coincidence, I'd guess. I mean you wouldn't see a VM Motori engine in, say, a GM or Ford product would . oh, nevermind, they are in there too. You know what . parts for these things might be *easier* to find than any other foreign based Diesel, maybe I need to pick one or three up. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090816/f92b1508/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] had a brain flash (or brain fart) today
Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com writes: Several years ago, I had the website and email address of a guy in BC who put 616 engines in all kinds of 4WD stuff used in the Canadian outback (upnort) A diligent web search should turn it up again, however, it is out of your budget! If it's the guy I'm thinking of, he goes by the handle wanderer4x4 on the internet and I think he lives in or near Kelowna, BC. He used to lurk on the old mercedes-veterans list but did not post all that often. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hursty's list history
I dont know what happend to Len. Crap, there are quite a few people who have vanished over the years. I need to review some of the rustyQ pics from the first couple of years to see who all is gone awol. I have several people I am thinking of but I cant think of their names at all. Loren Faeth wrote: RIchard, thanks for reminding me of some of the other guys form the old list. MMM was there. I just can't remember everyone. WHo was the Ponton guy? oh! Len Sokolof. anyone know what happened to him? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Re: [MBZ] had a brain flash (or brain fart) today
Yep, that's the guy, but of course, we are both mistaken because hursty sez the veterans list didn't exist, and nobody was on it. (according to hurst, if hurst wasn't on it, then nobody was there.) Allan,. another veteran, of the reportedly non-existent mercedes-veterans list. At 10:35 PM 8/16/2009, you wrote: Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com writes: Several years ago, I had the website and email address of a guy in BC who put 616 engines in all kinds of 4WD stuff used in the Canadian outback (upnort) A diligent web search should turn it up again, however, it is out of your budget! If it's the guy I'm thinking of, he goes by the handle wanderer4x4 on the internet and I think he lives in or near Kelowna, BC. He used to lurk on the old mercedes-veterans list but did not post all that often. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hursty's list history WAS: bye bye Marshall
Almost correct, and I appreciate the history lesson -- but, I came from Joe Amelia's SL list, after he sold his SL to buy a sailboat and transfered the list to the MBZ list. Later I joined the Diesel list. On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.comwrote: Most of the charter members of the Okiebenz list were members of the Diesel list. After dickarde was successful in starting the Diesel list, it siphoned off members like me and OK Don, who was then known by his real name, from the veterans list. -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090816/8e8f0bb6/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hursty's list history WAS: bye bye Marshall
I was thinking corporal nick, but he had a 123 Gary Hurst wrote: the big money shakedowns only came later. this list is the direct successor to the diesel list which would not have been born, nor any of hte other mbz.org lists, unless marshall signed on. alex's list would have just been tiny tiny and probably would have just gone away. for 20 points, what was the name of the guy in NC with the W114 who had a web page about it? i rack my nutrasweet addled brain, but find no answer -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hursty's list history
the rest of the lists were started as a reaction to the purges and marshall's participation broadened it beyond banned. i just don't think the vets list has anything to do with anything in the chain of events On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.comwrote: Dickarde would never have started any other list had he not decided to host the veterans list. He was hosting the Veterans list on MBZ.org before there was a banned list or a Diesel list. You rejects from the RE list would have just found some other sap to host banned had dickarde not been already hosting. The fact that veterans existed on mbz.org before banned or Diesel is relevant to everyone but you! By your logic, the banned list was simply hosted and the Diesel list was simply hosted too. The flavor of this list is still much like the Veterans list. It is not Banned, and it is not limited to Diesels. Some of us have to put up with a few vergassers in the fleet, and some others only have vergassers. At 10:23 PM 8/16/2009, you wrote: the vets list was simply a matter of hosting and not related to the other mbz.org lists, so whether it was hosted prior to the purges or not is not relevant On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com wrote: Not so fast. I started out as a member of Alex Gabbards Mercedes-veterans.com list of which dickarde (who later started mbz.org) was a member. When Alex got tired of administering the list, dickarde, seeing a potential to rake in rapacious fees from Hursty, started up mbz.org, and grew it into several lists, veterans, Diesel, 108, banned and more We are talking about 1998 or so here, when dickarde took over administering the veterans list, then migrated it to mbz.org I am not sure of the timing of those banned form the R/E list, as I was only a member of the RE list for a short while. My impression was that it was after dickarde had already moved the veterans list to mbz.org. At 09:26 PM 8/12/2009, you wrote: marshall is historically the only reason this list exists. the whole mbz.org list system (apart from banned) was contingent upon marshall's agreed participation. had marhall said no, the plan was to never start the diesel list. just a bit of old school trivia for those of you who might still care On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com wrote: After how much fun we made (and still make) of his maintenance suggestions? The short version is this. I asked him to come to the IowaQ as the guest of honor, and he said that he couldn't attend due to health issues and would never again be able to travel anywhere due to the cancer, but said how much he wished he could join us, and would be here if he physically could. There was a bit more ... but that is the important stuff. Even while he was (I am assuming) in hospice, he still wanted to get together with Benz owners, but his body gave out before his will to get together did. His final words to me were: NEVER by a car from Kaleb. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: you should share it with all. -- The young officer thought it very odd that his captain seemed to trust and confide in his chiefs more than his wardroom, but mustang officers had their own ways. -- Tom Clancy, Clear and Present Danger. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090812/ab4d0254/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090812/7424b855/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090816/dbb36bdf/attachment.html
Re: [MBZ] Hursty's list history
RIchard, thanks for reminding me of some of the other guys form the old list. MMM was there. I just can't remember everyone. WHo was the Ponton guy? oh! Len Sokolof. anyone know what happened to him? At 10:16 PM 8/16/2009, you wrote: Nobody is gonna mention Eric Via? I miss ole David Frada, as well as many of the other characters on the older lists. I was a member of most of them, one time or another, still see the ponton list and what's left of the R/E list as well as this group today. And pooferator Hank is my buddy. He's seen me thru thick and thin, I really enjoy the guy. And my buddy Don B. We went to a few nascar races together, he was pretty outspoken about the Viet Nam war ( as a veteran of it ) as well as a few other things that got him in hot water a few times on R/E. I have not heard from him in a while, but he's still floating around up there in the mountains. I am going up there in a few weeks, may look him up. Yep, thanks kleb for the list service. It is a lot of fun, and some good people. Richard --- On Mon, 8/17/09, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com wrote: From: Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com Subject: [MBZ] Hursty's list history WAS: bye bye Marshall To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 2:40 AM Dickarde definitely was running the veterans list before the Diesel list was started. Hursty, you have given me the timeline I was missing or unsure about. So Hursty, I propose changing your statement a little. This list would not have existed without Alex Gabbard, and Herr Doktor and the Diesel list would not have started without Dr. Booth. You might want to add: You would have been money ahead without meeting dickarde. Most of the charter members of the Okiebenz list were members of the Diesel list. After dickarde was successful in starting the Diesel list, it siphoned off members like me and OK Don, who was then known by his real name, from the veterans list. THe 108 list siphoned off more members of the veterans list. each subsequent list siphoned off members from the veterans list. After dickarde smoked a few too many and melted down, Kaleb picked up the pieces he found, and put together one list, much like the original veterans list, but without most of the international members. (Yes, we have Bennell, whom I appreciate even if he is a lawyer and one errant lost Aussie, but the Veterans had a whole raft of Aussies, including Greene, who was no slouch on technical stuff, and Frada, who was a hoot) Then there were Gabbard and others from Europe, an occasional Indonesian and a few South Africans, so it gave us a perspective of Air, Land and Sea, the world around I still miss the veterans list, but I consider the character of this list to be essentially the same as the original Mascedes-veterans list. Thanks Kaleb, for running a fun list! At 03:20 PM 8/13/2009, you wrote: i'd guess 98 or 99, but someone like little tommy would remember such a thing. to sum it up briefly as i understand it: in the beginning, there was dave realtime and esa ahola. figure about 95ish. a dominant figure on the list was cookies and he really pissed off a ton of people everyday. ritter and easley then started their own list to be kinder and gentler and cookies free, maybe about 96 or 97. one stuart steele was doing the listmom thing for ritter/easley and he and ritter undertook basically what amounted to purges of all dissidents. the mbz.org lists began as a reaction to those purges, beginning with banned as a safe haven for mercedesphiles who had been purged from ritter/easley. as ritter/easley purported to be kinder and gentler, banned went out of its way to be exactly the opposite so while it did contain tech information, it was not a fit forum for many who wished to participate in an alternative tech list. so richard sexton and i decided that if dr booth as willing to participate in the proposed diesel list, we'd run out a bunch of more democratic and open lists via mbz.org then richard and mbz.org had one final nuclear meltdown and lists disappeared, but kaleb took the initiative and stepped up to keep them alive (originally while richard brought the lists back up, but now permanently) and that is where we are today. On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Peter Merle merle.pe...@gmail.com wrote: When did the list actually start? I have been on /off over many years . Marshall always helped out and made sense of many things than perflexed one Peter 2009/8/13 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net But we have you now. --R Gary Hurst wrote: marshall is historically the only reason this list exists. the whole mbz.org list system (apart from banned) was contingent upon marshall's agreed participation. had marhall said no, the plan was to
Re: [MBZ] Hursty's list history WAS: bye bye Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Hursty's list history
Dago Dave Frada is still around on Banned, I dont think he is here though. Richard Hattaway wrote: Nobody is gonna mention Eric Via? I miss ole David Frada, as well as many of the other characters on the older lists. I was a member of most of them, one time or another, still see the ponton list and what's left of the R/E list as well as this group today. And pooferator Hank is my buddy. He's seen me thru thick and thin, I really enjoy the guy. And my buddy Don B. We went to a few nascar races together, he was pretty outspoken about the Viet Nam war ( as a veteran of it ) as well as a few other things that got him in hot water a few times on R/E. I have not heard from him in a while, but he's still floating around up there in the mountains. I am going up there in a few weeks, may look him up. Yep, thanks kleb for the list service. It is a lot of fun, and some good people. Richard -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel trucks
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.comwrote: Ya gotta excuse my ignorance (about VM) and prejudice for OM series Diesels from DB or whatever they call themselves the past few years. I have been driving and working on those engines for 30 some years. I have never even seen a VM diesel, and I never heard of it until the liberty came out. I'm almost positive that the Liberty is the first stateside VM engine. But, as I said in the previous post, they appear to be well respected in Europe. Toyota, Rover and Jeep all using them in off road applications. But `Mericans hate Diesels. They don't last any more than 30,000 miles. Just ask anyone who's daddy owned a Diesel Caddy. EdB -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090816/92da9cec/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hursty's list history
Dickarde would never have started any other list had he not decided to host the veterans list. He was hosting the Veterans list on MBZ.org before there was a banned list or a Diesel list. You rejects from the RE list would have just found some other sap to host banned had dickarde not been already hosting. The fact that veterans existed on mbz.org before banned or Diesel is relevant to everyone but you! By your logic, the banned list was simply hosted and the Diesel list was simply hosted too. The flavor of this list is still much like the Veterans list. It is not Banned, and it is not limited to Diesels. Some of us have to put up with a few vergassers in the fleet, and some others only have vergassers. At 10:23 PM 8/16/2009, you wrote: the vets list was simply a matter of hosting and not related to the other mbz.org lists, so whether it was hosted prior to the purges or not is not relevant On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.comwrote: Not so fast. I started out as a member of Alex Gabbards Mercedes-veterans.com list of which dickarde (who later started mbz.org) was a member. When Alex got tired of administering the list, dickarde, seeing a potential to rake in rapacious fees from Hursty, started up mbz.org, and grew it into several lists, veterans, Diesel, 108, banned and more We are talking about 1998 or so here, when dickarde took over administering the veterans list, then migrated it to mbz.org I am not sure of the timing of those banned form the R/E list, as I was only a member of the RE list for a short while. My impression was that it was after dickarde had already moved the veterans list to mbz.org. At 09:26 PM 8/12/2009, you wrote: marshall is historically the only reason this list exists. the whole mbz.org list system (apart from banned) was contingent upon marshall's agreed participation. had marhall said no, the plan was to never start the diesel list. just a bit of old school trivia for those of you who might still care On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com wrote: After how much fun we made (and still make) of his maintenance suggestions? The short version is this. I asked him to come to the IowaQ as the guest of honor, and he said that he couldn't attend due to health issues and would never again be able to travel anywhere due to the cancer, but said how much he wished he could join us, and would be here if he physically could. There was a bit more ... but that is the important stuff. Even while he was (I am assuming) in hospice, he still wanted to get together with Benz owners, but his body gave out before his will to get together did. His final words to me were: NEVER by a car from Kaleb. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: you should share it with all. -- The young officer thought it very odd that his captain seemed to trust and confide in his chiefs more than his wardroom, but mustang officers had their own ways. -- Tom Clancy, Clear and Present Danger. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090812/ab4d0254/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090812/7424b855/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090816/dbb36bdf/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Power antenna relay on 1985 300CD?
Why/when would you want it at half-mast? On an SL, in particular, they whistle noticeably in the wind. Raising them only the necessary amount for good reception is nice for those. Also, not raising them the full amount extends their life to some extent, and reduces the vulnerability to damage. I suppose there are also multipath scenarios in cities, but I've never run into those. The power wire for the antenna was not plugged into the correct jack on the radio. The antenna plug has 4 pins but doesn't function as it should. The three-wire antenna has a four-wire-plug adapter cable, so it can plug in place of the correct (NLA) antenna. But it ain't right (IMHO). -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 Aux Fan Switch Location and testing?
I am hoping someone can help. The aux fan in the wife's '79 DT does not seem to be working correctly. If I knew where the thermostatic switch was, I guess I could short across the leads to test the fan and the switch, but I am clueless as to its location. It's on the AC receiver/drier. It only comes on (IIRC) if the AC gets hot enough in operation. Nothing to do with engine temp. It's a 123 thing. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
