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[MBZ] 1980 Mercedes 240D $650

2012-01-27 Thread kevin kraly

Thinking about getting this one since Dad’s iching to work on something again.  
Anything huge that I should run from?

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/2820321732.html

Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon
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Re: [MBZ] Tranny questions

2012-01-27 Thread Larry T


Can't help with the spring questions but you comment about

flaring, basically the engine spins before it goes
through (I think) 1-2 and 2-3,

IMO Flaring is when the clutches do not completely engage  quickly - you are 
basically slipping the clutch as it shifts - to put it in Manual Tranny mode -

But that may be what you meant by engine spins ?

LarryT
91 300D


On 1/26/2012 4:43 PM, Tim C wrote:

1) Anyone know if the K1 spring upgrade (126-270-44-77) will fit in a
722.118?  Rusty wasn't sure, and the internet seems littered with
folks having this question unanswered. :/

2) My transmission is flaring* and yesterday I realized that, after
adjusting the accelerator throw some months ago, I didn't adjust the
pushrod to the transmission's vacuum valve.  I shortened the pushrod a
bit, and it is a bit better.  I am hoping the trend will continue as I
make it shorter...

However, this leaves me with two questions:
  a) How likely that I did permanent damage?  I guess I was telling the
transmission I was always at WOT?  Not really sure what the vacuum
valve is doing in practice. [Fluid was replaced 8-10 months ago, I'll
do it again soon anyway since I have a slow leak I want to track
down.]
  b) Why would it shift early with a pushrod that was too long?  Seems
like it should be the other way.

*I think it's flaring, basically the engine spins before it goes
through (I think) 1-2 and 2-3, especially if I'm accelerating above
40%.  If I force it to hold gear with the floor shift, it shifts
perfectly at a higher RPM.

Thanks!
-Tim
a newbie in so many ways :)

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 Mercedes 240D $650

2012-01-27 Thread Mitch Haley


kevin kraly wrote:

Thinking about getting this one since Dad’s iching to work on something again.  
Anything huge that I should run from?

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/2820321732.html



Definitely needs a grille, fender, turn signal, headlight bezels and hood star. 
Paint's nothing to be proud of. May need a hood. OTOH, for twice the meltdown 
value you can't go too far wrong.


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Re: [MBZ] Tranny questions

2012-01-27 Thread Tim C

On Jan 27, 2012 7:16 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:

 Can't help with the spring questions but you comment about


 flaring, basically the engine spins before it goes
 through (I think) 1-2 and 2-3,

 IMO Flaring is when the clutches do not completely engage  quickly - you
are basically slipping the clutch as it shifts - to put it in Manual Tranny
mode -

 But that may be what you meant by engine spins ?

Mine goes to a high RPM with no load, then drops back to normal once it
makes it into gear.  I included that line because I realize that might be
something completely different than what I thought it was called. :)

I haven't driven a stick in at least 20 years, so I don't remember if the
engine revs in the scenario you describe?

Thanks,
Tim

 LarryT
 91 300D



 On 1/26/2012 4:43 PM, Tim C wrote:

 1) Anyone know if the K1 spring upgrade (126-270-44-77) will fit in a
 722.118?  Rusty wasn't sure, and the internet seems littered with
 folks having this question unanswered. :/

 2) My transmission is flaring* and yesterday I realized that, after
 adjusting the accelerator throw some months ago, I didn't adjust the
 pushrod to the transmission's vacuum valve.  I shortened the pushrod a
 bit, and it is a bit better.  I am hoping the trend will continue as I
 make it shorter...

 However, this leaves me with two questions:
  a) How likely that I did permanent damage?  I guess I was telling the
 transmission I was always at WOT?  Not really sure what the vacuum
 valve is doing in practice. [Fluid was replaced 8-10 months ago, I'll
 do it again soon anyway since I have a slow leak I want to track
 down.]
  b) Why would it shift early with a pushrod that was too long?  Seems
 like it should be the other way.

 *I think it's flaring, basically the engine spins before it goes
 through (I think) 1-2 and 2-3, especially if I'm accelerating above
 40%.  If I force it to hold gear with the floor shift, it shifts
 perfectly at a higher RPM.

 Thanks!
 -Tim
 a newbie in so many ways :)

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Re: [MBZ] Tranny questions

2012-01-27 Thread Mitch Haley


Tim C wrote:


Mine goes to a high RPM with no load, then drops back to normal once it
makes it into gear.  I included that line because I realize that might be
something completely different than what I thought it was called. :)


I conclude that your clutch pack gets 100 shifts worth of wear every time that 
happens.


I haven't driven a stick in at least 20 years, so I don't remember if the
engine revs in the scenario you describe?


Only if some fool hits the throttle while the clutch is disengaged.

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Re: [MBZ] Missing half-moon key slot on new Bosch alternator

2012-01-27 Thread Allan Streib

I use the rattle-wrench to remove and tighten the alternator pully nut.

I've had one (FLAPS-branded) rebuild come with a keyed shaft; the
Bosch rebuilds don't in my experience.  Doesn't seem to really matter
in practice.

Allan


On Fri, Jan 27, 2012, at 03:20 PM, Hendrik  Fay wrote:
 Basically as tight as you can get it with a new spring washer fitted.
 Had an pulley come loose because supposed auto sparky used old spring
 washer, which was doing a very good impersonation of a flat washer.
 Drove me batty trying to track down the noise it made because fan belt
 transferred noise to other side of engine.

 Hendrik who is batty enough

 Gerry Archer wrote:
  Yep, they are stuck pretty tight.  Always used rebuilt alternators
  before which had keys.  This is the first new one.  Hope this one
  lasts longer than the rebuilts (the slip rings became grooved and
  the voltage became low on the rebuilts).  Can't find the torque for
  the shaft nut on alternators on the MB CD or 'net.  Seem to remember
  that the torque on American car alternators was about 110 Nm (80
  ft/lb).  Correct torque might be more important without a key.
  Thanks, Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Tranny questions

2012-01-27 Thread Tim C

Thanks Mitch, that's very helpful.

-Tim
Hopefully still has a couple years then
On Jan 27, 2012 9:00 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Tim C wrote:

  Mine goes to a high RPM with no load, then drops back to normal once it
 makes it into gear.  I included that line because I realize that might be
 something completely different than what I thought it was called. :)


 I conclude that your clutch pack gets 100 shifts worth of wear every time
 that happens.


 I haven't driven a stick in at least 20 years, so I don't remember if the
 engine revs in the scenario you describe?


 Only if some fool hits the throttle while the clutch is disengaged.

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[MBZ] Okie Acres [was: Re: And here we were complaining about fuel prices ... ]

2012-01-27 Thread Craig

On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 19:54:36 -0600 Kaleb C. Striplin
ka...@striplin.net wrote:

 Well crap if you are driving down 412 to Arkansas you will be within
 about 5 miles of okie acres

So where is Okie Acres? It looked to me to be a lot more than 5 miles
from 412 to Claremore.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Tranny questions

2012-01-27 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 5:38 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:

 Mine goes to a high RPM with no load, then drops back to normal once it
 makes it into gear.  I included that line because I realize that might be
 something completely different than what I thought it was called. :)

Sounds like a really ghastly case of flaring.  Normally you just get a
little vrrr as the engine revs up a little for an instant during
upshifts---that condition can often be cured by proper modulator
adjustment, a fluid change, and running a while with synthetic ATF.
But the best cure for what you're describing, Tim, is often one of
Rusty's rebuilt trannies installed by a competent shop (or on your
own, if you have the right equipment).

Alex

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[MBZ] OT: Calculus [was: Re: And here we were complaining about fuel prices ... ]

2012-01-27 Thread Craig

On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:24:44 -0500 Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 I explained the fundamental theorem of calculus to my wife when she was 
 forced to take some sort of math class for a pre-med training or 
 something, and she actually understood it and thought it was pretty 
 cool.  I had a good teacher in HS explain it the same way, and it was
 so simple and understandable that I share it with others who have no 
 concept or much interest with calculus, and they always get it.

So, for our benefit, how about sharing your explanation here (I'm always
looking for new ways to explain material).


Craig

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[MBZ] Canfield, is that you?

2012-01-27 Thread Mitch Haley


http://acidcow.com/pics/20120126/acid_picdump_26.jpg

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Calculus [was: Re: And here we were complaining about fuel prices ... ]

2012-01-27 Thread Alex Chamberlain

 On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:24:44 -0500 Rich Thomas
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 I explained the fundamental theorem of calculus to my wife when she was
 forced to take some sort of math class for a pre-med training or
 something, and she actually understood it and thought it was pretty
 cool.  I had a good teacher in HS explain it the same way, and it was
 so simple and understandable that I share it with others who have no
 concept or much interest with calculus, and they always get it.

I have a tattoo of the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus on my shoulder
above the first sentence of Wittgenstein's Tractatus---Die Welt ist
alles, was der Fall ist.  (The world is everything that is the case
or more loosely Everything that is true, is.)

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: 07 R320CDI with 199kilo mikes

2012-01-27 Thread Craig

On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:39:20 -0600 Luther's Benz
benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote:

 Big K is Kelvan?

Kelvin, yes, with no degree mark.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Okie Acres [was: Re: And here we were complaining about fuel prices ... ]

2012-01-27 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

I live s of Claremore about 5-6 miles from 412 from the inola/Claremore exit

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 27, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 19:54:36 -0600 Kaleb C. Striplin
 ka...@striplin.net wrote:
 
 Well crap if you are driving down 412 to Arkansas you will be within
 about 5 miles of okie acres
 
 So where is Okie Acres? It looked to me to be a lot more than 5 miles
 from 412 to Claremore.
 
 
 Craig
 
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Re: [MBZ] seatbelts

2012-01-27 Thread Jim Cathey

Do the front belts in a W124 have an explosive charge to tighten them 
in

the event of an accident?


Yes, so far as I know.  If they've got a bag they
have belt tensioners too.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

2012-01-27 Thread WILTON

'Sounds like another ATTABOY.

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] And here we were complaining about fuel prices ...

On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:26:06 -0500 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

Oh, and how did the interview go?

It was a grueling day. Started at 0715 when I was picked up for breakfast
and continued until 2030 when Shirley and I got back to the motel from
dinner.

At dinner, the head of the division asked if I had any questions. I said,
Other than, 'How did I do?', I don't have any, and I know I'll have to
wait for the answer to that one.

Later on in the conversation he did say that one student said about my
presenting a solution to a linear differential equation that he finally
understood the concept. So, that would seem to bode positive.

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Missing half-moon key slot on new Bosch alternator

2012-01-27 Thread Dieselhead

Yeah, I went through the same thing.  The answer was to just put the 
pulley on and tighten the nut.  Your number of 80 is about right.  I 
got mine as tight as i could, and it has been ok.




Yep, they are stuck pretty tight.  Always used rebuilt alternators before
which had keys.  This is the first new one.  Hope this one lasts
longer than the rebuilts (the slip rings became grooved and the voltage
became low on the rebuilts).  Can't find the torque for the shaft nut on
alternators on the MB CD or 'net.  Seem to remember that the torque on
American car alternators was about 110 Nm (80 ft/lb).  Correct torque
might be more important without a key.
Thanks,
Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] Was blurry eyed Ed, now Hirschy aerials

2012-01-27 Thread Dieselhead


Yeah but I have lots of black moly grease, what's wrong with that stuff?

Hendrik
who thinks that towelettes are not as manly as good old black grease


Nuttin(My butcher knife works well to butcher the queens angleish)

Well your moly grease does not have a three pointed star on it, so 
that renders it unusable


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[MBZ] New take on F O R D

2012-01-27 Thread Dieselhead


F O R A Y D



 Fix or replace at your
discretion.

-- Jim




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Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters

2012-01-27 Thread WILTON

Cruising at 25,000ft, temp ~ -50C; 305kts IAS/CAS, MACH .77; 444 kts TAS

Wilton

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Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters

WILTON wrote:

Stirred up?  Who, me?!  Maybe y'oughta consider mega as in
tons while I'm calling in a B-52 strike.   ;)))

Speaking of.

I was flying a B-52 on the computer simulator the other day.
And I'm curious - what is the cruising speed?  With 100%
throttle I never seemed to be able to get above about 300
knots at 25,000 ft flying level.  Does that seem about right?
Or is FlighGear clueless. :)

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 Mercedes 240D $650

2012-01-27 Thread Curt Raymond

Good candidate for a roller paint job. I have a good grill if you need it 
although I don't have an extra hood star.
-Curt
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:31:26 -0800
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] 1980 Mercedes 240D $650
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Thinking about getting this one since Dad?s iching to work on something again.  
Anything huge that I should run from?

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/2820321732.html

Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 Mercedes 240D $650

2012-01-27 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On Jan 27, 2012 5:01 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 kevin kraly wrote:

 http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/2820321732.html


 Definitely needs a grille, fender, turn signal, headlight bezels and hood
star. Paint's nothing to be proud of. May need a hood. OTOH, for twice the
meltdown value you can't go too far wrong.


I haven't been to a PnP in Portland in a few years but the last time there
was a distinct lack of 123s--probaby inversely correlated with the huge
number of them on the road here.  How much is shipping going to run if
Kevin has to order a fender etc. from Kaleb or elsewhere?

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 Mercedes 240D $650

2012-01-27 Thread Allan Streib

On Fri, Jan 27, 2012, at 09:42 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

 I haven't been to a PnP in Portland in a few years but the last time
 there was a distinct lack of 123s--probaby inversely correlated with
 the huge number of them on the road here.  How much is shipping going
 to run if Kevin has to order a fender etc. from Kaleb or elsewhere?

I don't even have a PnP nearby.  If anyone sees a W116 with a good
passenger door interior latch release handle/bracket I need one.  The
pot- metal bracket on mine is broken.  Anyone know if a W123 handle
would also work?

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] seatbelts

2012-01-27 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On Jan 27, 2012 7:55 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:

 Do the front belts in a W124 have an explosive charge to tighten them in
 the event of an accident?


 Yes, so far as I know.  If they've got a bag they
 have belt tensioners too.



But are they still functional after twenty-some years, I wonder?  Anyone
know if the squibs are protected against moisture?  (Are they more like
20-year-old ammunition, which usually shoots fine, or 29-year-old
fireworks, which just fizzle out (if that) when lit?)

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] seatbelts

2012-01-27 Thread E M

Hmm, don't know.  I know there's a date stamp inside the door saying when
the airbag should be serviced.  Maybe they check and replace the belt
tensioners if required at the same time?

Ed
300E

On 27 January 2012 13:07, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Jan 27, 2012 7:55 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:
 
  Do the front belts in a W124 have an explosive charge to tighten them in
  the event of an accident?
 
 
  Yes, so far as I know.  If they've got a bag they
  have belt tensioners too.
 
 

 But are they still functional after twenty-some years, I wonder?  Anyone
 know if the squibs are protected against moisture?  (Are they more like
 20-year-old ammunition, which usually shoots fine, or 29-year-old
 fireworks, which just fizzle out (if that) when lit?)

 Alex
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Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters

2012-01-27 Thread E M

Try dumping some of that cargo in the bays, see if it doesn't help
performance somewhat.  ;-)  Just don't do it over my backyard please.  Hee
hee

I used to help out at a local aviation museum here.  We were restoring an
old Lanc.  I remember reading the performance figures at the time back
then, but can't remember them now.  I do remember there was quite a
difference in performance with a full load, and empty.  Deliver the cargo,
and then hightail it home.  Pretty slow target on the way to work though,
as I remember.  Must have taken some guts to strap in to one of those old
birds!!

Ed
300E

On 27 January 2012 12:01, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 Cruising at 25,000ft, temp ~ -50C; 305kts IAS/CAS, MACH .77; 444 kts TAS

 Wilton

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 Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:40 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters


  WILTON wrote:


  Stirred up?  Who, me?!  Maybe y'oughta consider mega as in
 tons while I'm calling in a B-52 strike.   ;)))


 Speaking of.

 I was flying a B-52 on the computer simulator the other day.
 And I'm curious - what is the cruising speed?  With 100%
 throttle I never seemed to be able to get above about 300
 knots at 25,000 ft flying level.  Does that seem about right?
 Or is FlighGear clueless. :)

 --   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Calculus [was: Re: And here we were complaining about fuel prices ... ]

2012-01-27 Thread Rich Thomas

I need to do the diagram of y=f(x), while explaining what that means, 
with x,y and (x+deltax),(y+deltay) on a curve and show how as deltax and 
deltay approach 0 the slope between the two points becomes the tangent 
to the curve, which is dy/dx.  Most of the books have that, but until 
you really show someone they have a hard time understanding it.  Once 
they get it, the rest is sorta easy, just learning some rules about 
finding derivatives and such.


--R

On 1/27/12 10:16 AM, Craig wrote:

On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:24:44 -0500 Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net  wrote:


I explained the fundamental theorem of calculus to my wife when she was
forced to take some sort of math class for a pre-med training or
something, and she actually understood it and thought it was pretty
cool.  I had a good teacher in HS explain it the same way, and it was
so simple and understandable that I share it with others who have no
concept or much interest with calculus, and they always get it.

So, for our benefit, how about sharing your explanation here (I'm always
looking for new ways to explain material).


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters

2012-01-27 Thread WILTON

Much more typical, en route cruise for a B-52 is at 35 or 37 kft (easily go 
much higher); IAS 238 kts, MACH .77, 444 kts TAS; combat cruise at 250 kts 
IAS, mach .82, 470 kts TAS.  Easily go significant faster.  I've seldom 
known a B-52 to stay at 25 kft long.


Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters



Try dumping some of that cargo in the bays, see if it doesn't help
performance somewhat.  ;-)  Just don't do it over my backyard please.  Hee
hee

I used to help out at a local aviation museum here.  We were restoring an
old Lanc.  I remember reading the performance figures at the time back
then, but can't remember them now.  I do remember there was quite a
difference in performance with a full load, and empty.  Deliver the cargo,
and then hightail it home.  Pretty slow target on the way to work though,
as I remember.  Must have taken some guts to strap in to one of those old
birds!!

Ed
300E

On 27 January 2012 12:01, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:


Cruising at 25,000ft, temp ~ -50C; 305kts IAS/CAS, MACH .77; 444 kts TAS

Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters


 WILTON wrote:




 Stirred up?  Who, me?!  Maybe y'oughta consider mega as in

tons while I'm calling in a B-52 strike.   ;)))



Speaking of.

I was flying a B-52 on the computer simulator the other day.
And I'm curious - what is the cruising speed?  With 100%
throttle I never seemed to be able to get above about 300
knots at 25,000 ft flying level.  Does that seem about right?
Or is FlighGear clueless. :)

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters

2012-01-27 Thread Rich Thomas

I had a neighbor when I lived near Boston who flew B-17s to deliver the 
goods in Europe.  He did a year at GA Tech then joined up, they sent him 
to flight school then stuck him in the left seat in England and off he 
went.  He flew toward the end, but it was hairy enough according to some 
of his stories.  He did have some good experiences when the end of the 
war was announced, seemed many young ladies had considerable gratitude 
for what the Yank flyboys had done for Old Blighty  The guy was 
afraid to get on a 2 step ladder but never had a problem in the plane.


--R

On 1/27/12 1:44 PM, E M wrote:

Try dumping some of that cargo in the bays, see if it doesn't help
performance somewhat.  ;-)  Just don't do it over my backyard please.  Hee
hee

I used to help out at a local aviation museum here.  We were restoring an
old Lanc.  I remember reading the performance figures at the time back
then, but can't remember them now.  I do remember there was quite a
difference in performance with a full load, and empty.  Deliver the cargo,
and then hightail it home.  Pretty slow target on the way to work though,
as I remember.  Must have taken some guts to strap in to one of those old
birds!!

Ed
300E

On 27 January 2012 12:01, WILTONwilt...@nc.rr.com  wrote:


Cruising at 25,000ft, temp ~ -50C; 305kts IAS/CAS, MACH .77; 444 kts TAS

Wilton

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Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters


  WILTON wrote:

  Stirred up?  Who, me?!  Maybe y'oughta consider mega as in

tons while I'm calling in a B-52 strike.   ;)))


Speaking of.

I was flying a B-52 on the computer simulator the other day.
And I'm curious - what is the cruising speed?  With 100%
throttle I never seemed to be able to get above about 300
knots at 25,000 ft flying level.  Does that seem about right?
Or is FlighGear clueless. :)

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters

2012-01-27 Thread E M

I had an uncle who flew in a Lanc during the war...rear gunner. The guy
had lots of stories, some great, some not so great. One mission, the plane
was pretty shot up, and the floor of the rear turret was shot out. As he
tells it, he had his legs dangling out during the flight home. Flying over
the water and looking down, he told me he kept thinking, higher, higher!

I also have a friend who flies. He too can't get on a chair to change a
light bulb, but no problems flying. Doesn't seem to be that uncommon
amongst pilots.

Ed
300E

On 27 January 2012 14:29, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.netwrote:

I had a neighbor when I lived near Boston who flew B-17s to deliver the
goods in Europe. He did a year at GA Tech then joined up, they sent him to
flight school then stuck him in the left seat in England and off he went.
He flew toward the end, but it was hairy enough according to some of his
stories. He did have some good experiences when the end of the war was
announced, seemed many young ladies had considerable gratitude for what the
Yank flyboys had done for Old Blighty The guy was afraid to get on a 2
step ladder but never had a problem in the plane.

--R

On 1/27/12 1:44 PM, E M wrote:

Try dumping some of that cargo in the bays, see if it doesn't help
performance somewhat. ;-) Just don't do it over my backyard please. Hee
hee

I used to help out at a local aviation museum here. We were restoring an
old Lanc. I remember reading the performance figures at the time back
then, but can't remember them now. I do remember there was quite a
difference in performance with a full load, and empty. Deliver the cargo,
and then hightail it home. Pretty slow target on the way to work though,
as I remember. Must have taken some guts to strap in to one of those old
birds!!

Ed
300E

On 27 January 2012 12:01, WILTONwilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

Cruising at 25,000ft, temp ~ -50C; 305kts IAS/CAS, MACH .77; 444 kts TAS

Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters

WILTON wrote:

Stirred up? Who, me?! Maybe y'oughta consider mega as in

tons while I'm calling in a B-52 strike. ;)))

Speaking of.

I was flying a B-52 on the computer simulator the other day.
And I'm curious - what is the cruising speed? With 100%
throttle I never seemed to be able to get above about 300
knots at 25,000 ft flying level. Does that seem about right?
Or is FlighGear clueless. :)

-- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] seatbelts

2012-01-27 Thread Dan Penoff

Air bags are supposedly out of service after something like ten years.

I seem to recall a service bulletin saying something to that effect.

Dan

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On Jan 27, 2012, at 1:07 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Jan 27, 2012 7:55 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:
 
 Do the front belts in a W124 have an explosive charge to tighten them in
 the event of an accident?
 
 
 Yes, so far as I know.  If they've got a bag they
 have belt tensioners too.
 
 
 
 But are they still functional after twenty-some years, I wonder?  Anyone
 know if the squibs are protected against moisture?  (Are they more like
 20-year-old ammunition, which usually shoots fine, or 29-year-old
 fireworks, which just fizzle out (if that) when lit?)
 
 Alex
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Re: [MBZ] B-52 was: 07 R320CDI with 320259000meters

2012-01-27 Thread Dan Penoff

My Dad was a flight engineer in a B-29 based on Guam and later Tinian. It was
outfitted as a photo reconnaissance plane, with a tail gunner and possibly no
automated turrets (not sure about that.)

They flew daytime sorties over Japan and the islands to gather intelligence and
document the results of the previous night's bombing raids.

He said it was noisy and frighteningly cold, and since they normally flew
without escorts, the Japanese left them alone.

This meant that the tail gunner, Gene Nelson, would be all the way in the tail
of the plane, bored out of his mind. To combat the boredom, they played chess
over the intercom

No ordinance on these birds, just a huge pallet in the bomb bay with very, very
large cameras.

Dan

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On Jan 27, 2012, at 1:44 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote:

Try dumping some of that cargo in the bays, see if it doesn't help
performance somewhat. ;-) Just don't do it over my backyard please. Hee
hee

Ed
300E

On 27 January 2012 12:01, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

Cruising at 25,000ft, temp ~ -50C; 305kts IAS/CAS, MACH .77; 444 kts TAS

Wilton

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WILTON wrote:

Stirred up? Who, me?! Maybe y'oughta consider mega as in
tons while I'm calling in a B-52 strike. ;)))