date:20130610


Craig wrote:


You want the kind that put out continuous AC, not periodic pulses, so
whenever the dog makes a connection he will get a jolt.


Those were called 'weed burners'. If you string wire in the shrubs it'll pull 
the voltage down too far, not to mention put significant wattage into the plants.
Dad had one. When he got lazy and threw hay bales over the fence instead of 
carrying them into the pasture, the cattle shoved hay into the wire and started 
a fire.
The capacitor discharge ones can still shock with a moderate amount of plant 
material touching them. The ones we had all fired once per second, which should 
be frequent enough to do the trick.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

All sound like pretty good ideas, but, alas, I'm not likely to do any of 
'em.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

Craig wrote:

You want the kind that put out continuous AC, not periodic pulses, so
whenever the dog makes a connection he will get a jolt.

Those were called 'weed burners'. If you string wire in the shrubs it'll 
pull the voltage down too far, not to mention put significant wattage into 
the plants.
Dad had one. When he got lazy and threw hay bales over the fence instead 
of carrying them into the pasture, the cattle shoved hay into the wire and 
started a fire.
The capacitor discharge ones can still shock with a moderate amount of 
plant material touching them. The ones we had all fired once per second, 
which should be frequent enough to do the trick.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

It means they have anxiety and want to be with their people.  Dogs are 
very social and need that interaction.


--R

On 6/9/13 6:59 PM, WILTON wrote:
the incessant barking at NOTHING for hours is something else. 



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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

If it was between 1941 and Sep 18, 1947, US Army Air Force; US Air Force 
after Sep 47.

Wilton

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From: clay redgh...@comcast.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

That odd transition time seems to have caught my father.  The service was 
yesterday and though he had enlisted in the army, served in Korea and got 
out just prior to the police action, he was honored as and his marker says 
he was Air Force.  Must have been DoD designation, though discharge papers 
say he was army.

clay

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers

On Jun 6, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Max wrote:

AAC, that's it.

My dad joined up around the time the Army Air Corps became the Air Force, 
I think in 1951. When he enlisted, the old timers could still wear Army 
greens, but they only issued Air Force blues to the newbies so he didn't 
get a choice in the matter.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners


Very quiet night last night - no barking at all.

Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners


It means they have anxiety and want to be with their people.  Dogs are 
very social and need that interaction.


--R

On 6/9/13 6:59 PM, WILTON wrote:
the incessant barking at NOTHING for hours is something else. 



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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944


WILTON wrote:
If it was between 1941 and Sep 18, 1947, US Army Air Force; US Air Force 
after Sep 47.


So was it US Army Air Corps before 1941?
Or did the Air Corps never exist as an official name?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

2013-06-10 Thread Jim Cathey


There's always the classic pellet gun ambush.  Pump to a non-penetrating
level, wait for the leg to be lifted, and... BAM!  Aversion therapy at
its best.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners


Jim Cathey wrote:

There's always the classic pellet gun ambush.  Pump to a non-penetrating
level, wait for the leg to be lifted, and... BAM!  Aversion therapy at
its best.


Wonder how the cops would handle the 'crazy man shot my dog in his yard' call?
(probably like any other 'man with gun' complaint)
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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

US Army Air Corps 1926-1941; US Army Air Service before that; Aero Div of US 
Army Signal Corps from '07-'14.
National Security Act establishing USAF was 26 July 47; official birthdate 
18 Sep 47.


Wilton

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Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944



WILTON wrote:
If it was between 1941 and Sep 18, 1947, US Army Air Force; US Air Force 
after Sep 47.


So was it US Army Air Corps before 1941?
Or did the Air Corps never exist as an official name?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners


Yep, that's a goodun, too.

Wilton

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Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners



There's always the classic pellet gun ambush.  Pump to a non-penetrating
level, wait for the leg to be lifted, and... BAM!  Aversion therapy at
its best.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 2004 E320 4matic - Water on Front Passenger's Side after Heavy Rain

Would I be able to visibly see where the windshield is leaking?  We 
are expecting some severe thunderstorms today so I planned on 
checking the car then.


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry language

Yeah, that was REALLY insensitive.

Andrew
Who actually has a pretty thick skin
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 7:53 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:


 https://dx.com/p/pistol-style-protective-plastic-case-for-iphone-5-golden-black-220804

 I can just see that working well when you whip it out at a traffic stop and
 say  I want to call my lawyer... or .. at the TSA checkin stand at the
 airport...

 Let me know how that works out.. would you?

 Hahahahahahhahahaha... Can I buy one for Andrew?  [sorry Andrew.. I just
 couldn't resist... My bad streak made me do it]  ;)... free shipping even..
 hahahaha..

 Grant...


 On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Rich Thomas 
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

  Interestingly enough I have decided that the dialect known as Ebonics is
  most likely a descendant of Gullah, which was the language the slaves
 sorta
  cobbled up so that different ones from different tribes could communicate
  among themselves and with the whites (who spoke English, French, Spanish,
  and whatever else in the early days in the islands and here in the
  Lowcountry).  It is sort of a Creole kind of thing.   My neighbors speak
 a
  very distinctive form of English, which for some is a second language
 after
  Gullah. I have got to the point where I can catch a good part of what the
  Gullah speakers are saying when they talk among themselves, as it
  incorporates enough English (or American I guess is more accurate) to be
  sorta decipherable.  Many of the people have that accent one would
  associate with Jamaicans.
 
  A good part of the slaves came through this area, and I think this area
  was also one of the first for slavery, the local landowners having
 brought
  them up from Barbados and Antigua where they had come from.  So that
 would
  sort of explain how the Gullah got spread around.
 
  I have to ask around and see if this hypothesis holds up, maybe check in
  with Queen Quet (the Queen of the Gullahs, not Liz).
 
  Oh, and here is just the thing you need for concealed carry
 
  https://dx.com/p/pistol-style-**protective-plastic-case-for-**
  iphone-5-golden-black-220804
 https://dx.com/p/pistol-style-protective-plastic-case-for-iphone-5-golden-black-220804
 
 
  --R
 
  On 6/9/13 10:51 AM, G Mann wrote:
 
  Obviously, there are those among us who have insufficient contact with
  those of lower content, thus lack proper training in Ebonics. The inner
  city tribal language which apparently may have devolved from some basis
 of
  English, the language.
 
  Whut be hapn n da hood doog .. would be the correct phrase form. The
  insert
  of yall would  be a regional define based on principle demographic of
  the
  speakers sub-cultural influence.
 
  Grant... AZ
  [ PhD in Ebonics and Typo after decades of employee handling]
 
 
  On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 12:28 AM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   Ummnh, real English is spoken by the Queen.
  What y'all got happening in the hood, is a variant of English with a
  distinct lack of the letter u.
 
  Hendrik
  who is being humourous
 
  On 07/06/13 08:14, Gerry Archer wrote:
 
   Naw, these youngsters have been using that be-bop, jazz, hippy
 language
  so long they can't understand us when we speak real english.
  Gerry
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

If it was between 1941 and Sep 18, 1947, US Army Air Force; US Air 
Force after Sep 47.


Wilton


Not doubting your expertise, but I thought it was originally US Army 
Air Corps (USAAC).  Did it change to USAAF before changing to USAF?


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Re: [MBZ] OT - cat $#it in the garden

Starucks coffee grinds are fine but ask them not to include all the filter
papers.

Thanks for the backhanded compliment, Curt:

*I figure a cat doing its bidness in your garden is INFINITELY more
dangerous than Andrew's composting his indoor cats manure.

*
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 You shoot 'em before they go or what?

 I figure a cat doing its bidness in your garden is INFINITELY more
 dangerous than Andrew's composting his indoor cats manure. An outdoor cat
 sneaking into your sandbox has probably ingested outdoor animals and their
 parasites etc. and is thus passing it on to you without the benefit of
 composting.

 I spread my coffee grounds on the garden which seems to help keep 'em
 away. Once the plants grow in its never a big issue, the only trouble is
 when the garden is just open ground.


 BTW I found today that my local (well local-ish) Starbucks will collect me
 all the coffee grounds I want for my garden if I call each morning.
 Since they're right on my commute I plan to hit them daily, it'll be
 interesting to see how much I can haul.

 -Curt

 Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 14:24:44 -0500
 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - cat $#it in the garden
 Message-ID: a06240808cdda84961a60@[192.168.1.51]
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed

 Traditional agriculture has relied on cattle and horse manure,
 supplemented by chicken litter for years.  What might be noted is
 that these are herbivores, with the exception of chicken, which
 generally eat bugs or grain.  Manure from carnivores is best NOT used
 around food.  if it has been thoroughly and completely composted at
 temps high enough to kill everything/anything, it could be used.   I
 don't trust anyone's composting that much.

 Manure is applied in the fall or winter, and was traditionally plowed
 under.

 No cat crap  in the garden for me please.

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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

Aero Div of US Army Signal Corps '07-'14; US Army Air Service '14-1926; US 
Army Air Corps 1926 -1941; US Army Air Force 1941-1947; US Air Force after 
18 Sep '47.


Wilton

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Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944


If it was between 1941 and Sep 18, 1947, US Army Air Force; US Air Force 
after Sep 47.


Wilton


Not doubting your expertise, but I thought it was originally US Army Air 
Corps (USAAC).  Did it change to USAAF before changing to USAF?


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Re: [MBZ] oops


On 07/06/2013 10:18 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

http://i42.tinypic.com/b4cc94.jpg

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I am sure I have told the story here  before but we had one of those 2 
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Wild kid drove grandma's car through the front wall and into the living 
room of neighbor's house.
Too bad the concrete was not a bit higher, or the trees a bit closer 
together.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT lawnboy


On 08/06/2013 9:34 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
Wondering if Curt or anyone else might be able to help with a Lawnboy 
problem.


I have a model 10335 with a serial number in the range of: 991 - 
999  THis is 4 cycle, 6.25 HP called silver series


I took the carb off to clean and the governor spring popped off 
somewhere in back, but I can't figger out where it was connected. I 
got it running good, but need to figure out the governor connections. 
I have not been able to find any info online, other than parts 
exploded views which don't help.


I can run it without the governor, but I'd rather keep it original.



Go to the local stores and check out a new mower.
Maybe they have not changed much and you will be able to see where the 
spring goes?


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] OT lawnboy


Does this help?
http://www.justanswer.com/small-engine/53fso-lawn-mower-tecumseh-engine-lev120-36101sa.html

http://youtu.be/hK2sZjavTaw

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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

So I called again this morning, a woman said someone would call me 
back.  No call back.


I called a little while ago, got an answering service woman who said she 
could only pass the message on to Trent for him to call me.


I am starting to think I am out $150 and this guy is running some kind 
of scam, or is incompetent, or has no clue, is in over his head, is 
incapacitated, or some combination of all of the above.


I called NAPA to get a couple of things, will be there tomorrow, then 
will give AutohausAZ a try per Kleb's experience.


--R


On 6/7/13 5:41 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

Facts provided without comment:

A couple of weeks ago I sent a list of parts I needed to Buymbparts 
buymbpa...@gmail.com and we went back and forth a couple times, got 
some prices on the stuff.  This was just prices in the email, not the 
pdf quote with part #s, etc. I had received in the past when I put in 
orders.


I called last Friday to put in the order, spoke to a woman Kerri who 
had the emails, pulled up my info, we went over the list and I placed 
the order.  It was 3:30ish, she said she would try to get the order in 
so it might be shipped that afternoon.


I saw my bank acct had been debited on Friday last.

Today is a week later, still no parts.

On Jun 7, 2013, at 8:42 AM, Rich 
Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net  wrote:


So I ordered stuff last Friday, not here yet.  Do you have a tracking 
number or order status?


--R



On 6/7/13 1:23 PM, Buymbparts wrote:
I am out for the morning, I will check on your order as soon as I get 
back


Sent from my iPhone


It is now 5:38PM, no parts, no status update.

Looks like the work I was going to do this weekend (actually, this 
past week) to get the car sorted to drive north early next week is not 
going to get done.


This experience seems to differ from that experienced by others who 
have dealt with the vendor, so consider it as you might.


--R



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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

I'm awaiting parts, too.  Meanwhile, just started 350SDL with just a touch 
of starter and let it run 4 minutes; otherwise, it continues to sit.

Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

So I called again this morning, a woman said someone would call me back. 
No call back.

I called a little while ago, got an answering service woman who said she 
could only pass the message on to Trent for him to call me.

I am starting to think I am out $150 and this guy is running some kind of 
scam, or is incompetent, or has no clue, is in over his head, is 
incapacitated, or some combination of all of the above.

I called NAPA to get a couple of things, will be there tomorrow, then will 
give AutohausAZ a try per Kleb's experience.

--R

On 6/7/13 5:41 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

Facts provided without comment:

A couple of weeks ago I sent a list of parts I needed to Buymbparts 
buymbpa...@gmail.com and we went back and forth a couple times, got 
some prices on the stuff.  This was just prices in the email, not the pdf 
quote with part #s, etc. I had received in the past when I put in orders.

I called last Friday to put in the order, spoke to a woman Kerri who had 
the emails, pulled up my info, we went over the list and I placed the 
order.  It was 3:30ish, she said she would try to get the order in so it 
might be shipped that afternoon.

I saw my bank acct had been debited on Friday last.

Today is a week later, still no parts.

On Jun 7, 2013, at 8:42 AM, Rich 
Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net  wrote:

So I ordered stuff last Friday, not here yet.  Do you have a tracking 
number or order status?

--R

On 6/7/13 1:23 PM, Buymbparts wrote:
I am out for the morning, I will check on your order as soon as I get 
back

Sent from my iPhone

It is now 5:38PM, no parts, no status update.

Looks like the work I was going to do this weekend (actually, this past 
week) to get the car sorted to drive north early next week is not going 
to get done.

This experience seems to differ from that experienced by others who have 
dealt with the vendor, so consider it as you might.

--R

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Re: [MBZ] Ready to replace driver seat, and the ramp track is seized

2013-06-10 Thread Scott Ritchey


Some years back, I had this problem trying to remove the passenger seat on a
'79 300TD.  After repeated lube and gentle tapping (hammer and socket
extension) it moved a little.  After that I got it to move more and more (by
push and pull) until I could access the bolts.  After I got the seat out I
totally removed the rails and washed them good with Simple Green.  All kinds
of brown crap came out.  After a good greasing I reinstalled and everything
worked fine until I sold the car,

-Original Message-
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Archer
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 4:53 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ready to replace driver seat,and the ramp track is seized

I've been using Deoxit on bolts with surprisingly good results since Deoxit 
is primarily a contact cleaner.  Acetone-ATF 1:1 is my second choice.
Gerry

From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
I had exactly the same issue on my '83 240D. Never did solve it, sorry.
 One thing I can tell you is that WD-40 is a lousy lubricant. Try a real 
 penetrant, PB Blaster is probably the worst of the better bunch, lots of 
 people swear by ATF and acetone mixture.
 -Curt

 Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 18:39:37 -0500
 From: Darren Marshall onecreat...@gmail.com
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: [MBZ] Ready to replace driver seat, and the ramp track is
seized
 Message-ID: d7a16c24-9dbb-41d3-b7af-6c39018b9...@gmail.com
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 So I cannot get to the rear bolts. I've tried wd40 to lube it up, and the 
 seat just won't ramp up for the life of me.

 The bottom of the seat is literally torn to shreds, think I'd be able to 
 get at that track assembly if I removed it?

 Darren Marshall
 1978 240D

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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

Thanks for the clarification!  Somewhere along the line, I had missed 
the USAAF designation change in 1941.  I have heard that but always 
thought it was a confusion between USAAC and USAF.


Billy Mitchell, Eddie Rickenbacher, Hap Arnold and Jimmy Dolittle 
pretty well covered the first part, and WIlton has covered the 
post-WWII period for us.


Aero Div of US Army Signal Corps '07-'14; US Army Air Service 
'14-1926; US Army Air Corps 1926 -1941; US Army Air Force 1941-1947; 
US Air Force after 18 Sep '47. 


Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] OT lawnboy


On 08/06/2013 9:34 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
Wondering if Curt or anyone else might be able to help with a 
Lawnboy problem.


I have a model 10335 with a serial number in the range of: 991 
- 999  THis is 4 cycle, 6.25 HP called silver series


I took the carb off to clean and the governor spring popped off 
somewhere in back, but I can't figger out where it was connected. I 
got it running good, but need to figure out the governor 
connections. I have not been able to find any info online, other 
than parts exploded views which don't help.


I can run it without the governor, but I'd rather keep it original.



Go to the local stores and check out a new mower.
Maybe they have not changed much and you will be able to see where 
the spring goes?


Randy


I did think of that, but figured it will be a dead end.  Tech. is 
worse than BS about changing all the time.  THis mower is now 13 
years old.


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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

2013-06-10 Thread Rick Knoble

On Jun 10, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 I called NAPA to get a couple of things, will be there tomorrow, then will 
 give AutohausAZ a try per Kleb's experience.


You probably will not be happy with the shipping time from AZ to the East 
coast. You would think they would ship from the nearest (to me) WorldPak 
distribution center, but, oh hell no, they have to ship from AZ. 

I have had good luck with Rock Auto, and Advance Auto Parts. If you use a 
coupon code for Advance, the prices are good, but the selection of available 
parts is limited. 

For dealer stuff, the cheapest places I have found are here, although I have 
not ordered from them. 

http://benzpartsforless.com/

I use this site to find my part numbers. 

http://www.mbpartsworld.com/

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT lawnboy

Yep.  I had found the first, but I guess I never read it to the end. 
Down lower is a picture of the linkages.  I think I can use that to 
get close.  Have to take off the bonnet to get to the left end of the 
spring linkage.


I'll let you know what happens when I get time to work on it again. 
It worked tolerably well ungoverned, but did bog down in the tall 
corn.  RPM is too low, but tolerable.  I should buy a new bowl gasket 
too.  primer is not working now, and that is most likely the bowl 
gasket seal.



Does this help?
http://www.justanswer.com/small-engine/53fso-lawn-mower-tecumseh-engine-lev120-36101sa.html

http://youtu.be/hK2sZjavTaw

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[MBZ] Subject: Re: Deaf dog owners

2013-06-10 Thread RDeafBoy

Put out a white bowl  fill it with water ,then add GREEN food coloring  
and maybe a drop of oil.  Looks like antifreeze which the owner will then  
steer away from .If the dog drinks it won't hurt but it'll scare the crap out 
of  the owner.
   Just explain I heard it's used to  kill slugs if 
questioned??!!!
 
Bob
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Re: [MBZ] Ramps

Well, based on the data here, the plant is not  ramp

clay

On Jun 6, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Craig wrote:

 On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:24:36 -0700 clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Not the sort you drive up, but the stinky kind you eat.
 
 I had a shipmate send me out some ramps a number of years ago.
 
 Some information about ramps:
 
 http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/ncnu02/v5-449.html
 Cultivating Ramps: Wild Leeks of Appalachia 
 
 http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=ALTR3
 PLANTS Profile for Allium tricoccum Aiton ramp
 
 http://www.wildmanstevebrill.com/Plants.Folder/Ramp.html
 Ramp, Wild Leek (Allium tricocca)
 From THE WILD VEGETARIAN COOKBOOK
 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allium_tricoccum
 Allium tricoccum
 
 
 Craig
 
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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Deaf dog owners


rdeaf...@aol.com wrote:
Put out a white bowl  fill it with water ,then add GREEN food coloring  
and maybe a drop of oil.  Looks like antifreeze which the owner will then  
steer away from .If the dog drinks it won't hurt but it'll scare the crap out 
of  the owner.
   Just explain I heard it's used to  kill slugs if 
questioned??!!!


LOL. (Laughing out loud)
It would work if the owner cared more about their pet than they do about 
Wilton's property. Probably want a couple drops of green and one of yellow.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Opine away

I have no plans to travel farther than the 49th parallel.

clay

On Jun 7, 2013, at 8:57 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:

 On 07/06/2013 1:42 AM, clay wrote:
 Sadly she is practical and thrifty.  For her upcoming birthday all she wants 
 is the house to be clean.  WTF!?!   Cash is something to be hoarded in her 
 mind.  I wait patiently until her new car falls apart in a year or so.  
 Then again, she is going to sell that and move to Alaska, where she will 
 drive some other conveyance.   Getting that thing will be a whole other 
 crate of worms
 
 
 clay
 
 
 
 You mentioned this bit before. Are you going to Alaska too?
 
 Randy
 
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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point



 Police reports for Monday, Dec. 10, 2012

Created: Monday, December 10, 2012 1:15 a.m. CDT

Sterling Police

Trent J. Fiorini, 45, of Sterling; 1 a.m. Friday; DUI, no turn signal, 
no driver's license on person; given notice to appear in court.


Steve R. Nicpon, 76, of Sterling; 4:04 p.m. Friday in 1400 block of West 
21st Street; criminal damage to property over $300; given notice to 
appear in court.


http://www.saukvalley.com/2012/12/08/police-reports-for-monday-dec-10-2012/ah900jz/



On 6/10/13 2:07 PM, WILTON wrote:
I'm awaiting parts, too.  Meanwhile, just started 350SDL with just a 
touch of starter and let it run 4 minutes; otherwise, it continues to 
sit.


Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

2013-06-10 Thread Jon Agne

Just wondering why you would ever want to post something like that..


On Jun 10, 2013, at 3:30 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

 
 Police reports for Monday, Dec. 10, 2012
 
 Created: Monday, December 10, 2012 1:15 a.m. CDT
 
 Sterling Police
 
 Trent J. Fiorini, 45, of Sterling; 1 a.m. Friday; DUI, no turn signal, no 
 driver's license on person; given notice to appear in court.
 
 Steve R. Nicpon, 76, of Sterling; 4:04 p.m. Friday in 1400 block of West 21st 
 Street; criminal damage to property over $300; given notice to appear in 
 court.
 
 http://www.saukvalley.com/2012/12/08/police-reports-for-monday-dec-10-2012/ah900jz/
 
 
 
 On 6/10/13 2:07 PM, WILTON wrote:
 I'm awaiting parts, too.  Meanwhile, just started 350SDL with just a touch 
 of starter and let it run 4 minutes; otherwise, it continues to sit.
 
 Wilton
 
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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

2013-06-10 Thread Rick Knoble


On Jun 10, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote:

 Just wondering why you would ever want to post something like that..


Because it is public information. 

Because he is angry. 

Because no one likes losing money. 

Because if you have a business, you communicate and try to rectify problems as 
they arise. Granted, some people will never be satisfied, regardless of the 
level of service provided, but a brief explanation can go along way to smooth 
ruffled feathers with most folks. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

2013-06-10 Thread Jon Agne

Wow.  Sounds just like a temper tantrum to me.  I do not suppose that he knows 
the entire story, now does he?

Jon


On Jun 10, 2013, at 3:56 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:

 
 On Jun 10, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote:
 
 Just wondering why you would ever want to post something like that..
 
 
 Because it is public information. 
 
 Because he is angry. 
 
 Because no one likes losing money. 
 
 Because if you have a business, you communicate and try to rectify problems 
 as they arise. Granted, some people will never be satisfied, regardless of 
 the level of service provided, but a brief explanation can go along way to 
 smooth ruffled feathers with most folks. 
 
 Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes concept car speculation

2013-06-10 Thread G Mann

Self driving cars:  The attention level will not change, it will just free
up one hand and speed up texting, coffee drinking, and phone dialing.


On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 2:46 AM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote:

 I disagree the next advance will be self driving cars.
 Once the tech to do that has been worked out, cars will be able to fly
 themselves.

 Hendrik
 who has to drive the car

 On 10/06/13 12:29, Gerry Archer wrote:

 A number of years ago people said the same thing about the current crop
 of blob-cars that look like something a constipated cow left in the
 barnyard. The next true automotive advance will be aerocars; drive 'em or
 fly 'em.
 Gerry

  On Sun, 09 Jun 2013 19:57:17 -0500 Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net
 wrote:

 I'll believe that when I see a running version.  Read comments at:
 http://www.gizmag.com/**mercedes-benz-biome-concept/**17096/http://www.gizmag.com/mercedes-benz-biome-concept/17096/
 Some equate NioNectar4534 to unobtanium and 20,000 Leagues Under the
 Sea


 Not to mention dilithium crystals and warp drive


 Craig




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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point


Jon Agne wrote:

Wow.  Sounds just like a temper tantrum to me.  I do not suppose that he knows 
the entire story, now does he?


He just knows he paid ten days ago (four of them weekend), doesn't have his 
stuff, and can't seem to get a reply to an inquiry. From a customer's point of 
view, that's the whole story.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

I can beat that. I paid in April and haven't gotten all of my stuff despite 
asking many times and being told it was coming.

If it was anything more than a handful of instrument cluster lamps I would be 
really pissed. At this point I'm just walking away and chalking it up to 
experience.

Dan

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On Jun 10, 2013, at 4:22 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Jon Agne wrote:
 Wow.  Sounds just like a temper tantrum to me.  I do not suppose that he 
 knows the entire story, now does he?
 
 He just knows he paid ten days ago (four of them weekend), doesn't have his 
 stuff, and can't seem to get a reply to an inquiry. From a customer's point 
 of view, that's the whole story.
 
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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

I emailed today, haven't heard anything since Thursday.

Went over to CarQuest and ordered all new rear brake components for my 190D. 
They couldn't get a lower radiator hose which isn't tremendously surprising.
Dr Fatty seems to be out of business, buymbparts.net seems to be gone anyway. 
I'm thinking of trying Pelican Parts. Who was it that bought from them before, 
Larry?

-Curt

Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:00:03 -0400
From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point
Message-ID: 51b61423.8080...@constructivity.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

So I called again this morning, a woman said someone would call me 
back.  No call back.

I called a little while ago, got an answering service woman who said she 
could only pass the message on to Trent for him to call me.

I am starting to think I am out $150 and this guy is running some kind 
of scam, or is incompetent, or has no clue, is in over his head, is 
incapacitated, or some combination of all of the above.

I called NAPA to get a couple of things, will be there tomorrow, then 
will give AutohausAZ a try per Kleb's experience.

--R

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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

Try http://www.buyeuroparts.com/

Dan not presently dying of cancer

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On Jun 10, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I emailed today, haven't heard anything since Thursday.
 
 Went over to CarQuest and ordered all new rear brake components for my 190D. 
 They couldn't get a lower radiator hose which isn't tremendously surprising.
 Dr Fatty seems to be out of business, buymbparts.net seems to be gone anyway. 
 I'm thinking of trying Pelican Parts. Who was it that bought from them 
 before, Larry?
 
 -Curt
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - cat $#it in the garden

Why, whats wrong with the filters? I chuck 'em in the compost, grounds go 
directly into the garden, keeps the cats out.

Dunno why you would think it was backhanded, I was saying composting cat manure 
is safe if you take rudimentary precautions and that your arguments that your 
indoor cats probably don't have bad bugs anyway is legitimate.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 11:59:52 -0400
From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - cat $#it in the garden
Message-ID:
CAC35L=uV+Sjk7SC+W7hZhQChj_XTROA=PfmzSQFuU+BUPEfU=q...@mail.gmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Starucks coffee grinds are fine but ask them not to include all the filter
papers.

Thanks for the backhanded compliment, Curt:

*I figure a cat doing its bidness in your garden is INFINITELY more
dangerous than Andrew's composting his indoor cats manure.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - cat $#it in the garden

I find the filters unsightly and don't degrade fast enough.

On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Why, whats wrong with the filters? I chuck 'em in the compost, grounds go
 directly into the garden, keeps the cats out.

 Dunno why you would think it was backhanded, I was saying composting cat
 manure is safe if you take rudimentary precautions and that your arguments
 that your indoor cats probably don't have bad bugs anyway is legitimate.




 -Curt

 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 11:59:52 -0400
 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - cat $#it in the garden
 Message-ID:
 CAC35L=uV+Sjk7SC+W7hZhQChj_XTROA=PfmzSQFuU+BUPEfU=q...@mail.gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

 Starucks coffee grinds are fine but ask them not to include all the filter
 papers.

 Thanks for the backhanded compliment, Curt:

 *I figure a cat doing its bidness in your garden is INFINITELY more
 dangerous than Andrew's composting his indoor cats manure.

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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

Autohaus Arizona www.autohausaz.com has been stellar over the years.  Their
website gives you part numbers and is a snap to use.  The owner/rep is
acessible most any time via their 800 number, and they ship promptly.  If
you desperately need something in under a week you can pay their expedited
shipping cost and will still come out cheaper than the local dealer.

For dealer only parts, the Classic Center is usually the best route.



On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 Try http://www.buyeuroparts.com/

 Dan not presently dying of cancer

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 On Jun 10, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

  I emailed today, haven't heard anything since Thursday.
 
  Went over to CarQuest and ordered all new rear brake components for my
 190D. They couldn't get a lower radiator hose which isn't tremendously
 surprising.
  Dr Fatty seems to be out of business, buymbparts.net seems to be gone
 anyway. I'm thinking of trying Pelican Parts. Who was it that bought from
 them before, Larry?
 
  -Curt
 
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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

No it is not a temper tantrum.  It is a matter of sharing FACTS related 
to someone many of us might find important in dealing with our cars, as 
was Rusty.  I think many of us were willing to support his efforts in 
this business, expecting a similar level of service, or at least hoping 
for such, based on initial comms in that regard.


I paid this guy for some basic parts.  His person Kerri took the order 
and took my money Friday a week ago.  She was pleasant and had my info 
there.  Good enough.


I expected to receive the goods within a few days, she said she would 
try to get the order in that Friday afternoon, barring that, Monday.  
Good enough.  No different from many other orders from Rusty over the 
years, this guy is the new Rusty basically doing the same thing.  No 
particular reason to expect a different experience.  He takes an order, 
ships what he has or passes it on to Worldpac, whatever works.


On Friday morning I sent TF an email asking where the stuff was, 
thinking a week was long enough to get stuff shipped out given my 
previous experiences.  He sent back a msg saying he would get back to me 
when he got to the office later on.  I heard nothing back on Friday.


I called 2X this morning asking what the story was.  2 different people 
answered and said they would pass the msg along for him to call me 
back.  That was hours ago, no call.  He has gone dark. Nice.


Others have bought stuff from this guy and have not received their 
orders, and he is not responding to queries -- emails or phone calls.  
He has gone dark on them owing them parts/money.  Nice.


I did some research to see if I could find out the guy's story.  I found 
that info about the DUI.  That suggests to me we might be dealing with 
someone who has responsibility issues, in addition to my and others' 
experiences with ordering parts, but you draw your own conclusions based 
on that info and my/others' experiences, more FACTS.  I found other info 
too that is a bit concerning.


Now I have to try to figure out how to either get my stuff, or get my 
$150 back, or some combination of the 2.  Its not like I am going 
destitute over the $150 but it just really pisses me off.


I am upset because I had expected to get this car sorted last week then 
drive to my daughter on the past weekend to give her this car, then take 
the car she has to my son who now needs a car.  This problem has given 
me a larger headache and caused some other issues due to lack of 
carry-through by this guy.  Not the least having my son and my wife on 
my ass to get the car deal sorted within a hard time constraint and 
other life issues.  So it is causing me more headache and likely more 
money to get a plane ticket sorted.  I have basically lost 10 days on 
this guy and his lack of responsiveness having taken my money.  That 
pisses me off too.


I am interested to know any other parts of the entire story if you, he, 
or anyone else can share it with me.  So far I have related FACTS as I 
know them, but perhaps he has suffered some malady that prevents his 
attention to business, or something.  I am open to education in that 
regard and will consider it, apologize, whatever.


I suggest that anyone else contemplating ordering stuff from this guy 
might want to evaluate other alternatives given what I know to be 
FACTUAL  information about this guy, but, as always, YMMV and you are 
welcome to spend your money however you want.


--R



On 6/10/13 4:09 PM, Jon Agne wrote:

Wow.  Sounds just like a temper tantrum to me.  I do not suppose that he knows 
the entire story, now does he?

Jon


On Jun 10, 2013, at 3:56 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:


On Jun 10, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote:


Just wondering why you would ever want to post something like that..


Because it is public information.

Because he is angry.

Because no one likes losing money.

Because if you have a business, you communicate and try to rectify problems as 
they arise. Granted, some people will never be satisfied, regardless of the 
level of service provided, but a brief explanation can go along way to smooth 
ruffled feathers with most folks.

Rick
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Curt Raymond wrote:

I emailed today, haven't heard anything since Thursday.

Went over to CarQuest and ordered all new rear brake components for my 190D. 
They couldn't get a lower radiator hose which isn't tremendously surprising.
Dr Fatty seems to be out of business, buymbparts.net seems to be gone anyway. 
I'm thinking of trying Pelican Parts. Who was it that bought from them before, 
Larry?


What's the history there, was it Fastlane  PeachParts  Pelican?
And Phil is dead now, so who's running Pelican?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

Curt wrote:
 Dr Fatty seems to be out of business, buymbparts.net seems to be gone anyway.


http://www.buyeuroparts.com/

mao

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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

2013-06-10 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On Jun 10, 2013 2:04 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Curt Raymond wrote:

 I'm thinking of trying Pelican Parts.
 Who was it that bought from them
 before, Larry?

 What's the history there, was it
 Fastlane  PeachParts  Pelican?

That's right.

 And Phil is dead now, so who's
 running Pelican?

The same people who were always running it,  back when they sold only
Porsche and BMW parts?  I don't think Phil had much hand in their
operations after he sold Peachparts.

I miss Randy Steele.

Alex


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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

--R wrote:
 No it is not a temper tantrum.  It is a matter of sharing FACTS related to
 someone many of us might find important in dealing with our cars, as was
 Rusty.  I think many of us were willing to support his efforts in this
 business, expecting a similar level of service, or at least hoping for such,
 based on initial comms in that regard.


We can each pile on - either side.
And, when Rusty  drFatty had their split, we could pile on - either
side, except one side guaranteed cancer ;-)
What happens when we find out that TF is dead, from some DUI mishap,
or his mom died, or... whatever really sad junk.
The chatter ought to be at the closed forum - banned, I say.
Banned got more of the cancer chatter than mbz, thankfully.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

Alex wrote:
 I miss Randy Steele.

Randy is wanting your biz.
Look him up.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Opine away


How deep is the snow likely to be?
If I were looking for a snow vehicle it would be a 4X4 truck with some 
clearance. Our old 4Runner was pretty good and I have no complaints 
about my F150. Both are the sort that cannot be driven on dry pavement 
in 4 wheel drive but are pretty stable on slippery roads and will plough 
through snow as they have some clearance. AWD cars are interesting but 
don't have the clearance to permit them to go where the roads don't get 
cleared pretty quickly.


Randy

On 09/06/2013 10:38 PM, clay wrote:

Thank you Randy.  SWMBA will be purchasing an new to her car in about a year.  
She needs something to drive in Anchorage.  I do not need a car for snow, as I 
intend to remain parked in my home in the lower 48.  She is making a career 
move that requires (?) a car for snow.

I do like the cars I have.  There is going to come a time for the E300 to 
require massive infusions of dollars to bring it back to a reasonably safe 
condition.  That time is not now, but maybe when the bushings die, the 
suspension sags, the engine leaks and burns coolant, and the seats and carpet 
are all broken springs and threadbare tufting.  In my mind, that is in another 
400k miles.

clay


On Jun 6, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:


On 06/06/2013 12:45 AM, clay wrote:

At the moment I am doing battle with SWMBA over the replacement for the E300.  
I would prefer it just get fixed and life go on, but she has a bug up her ... 
bonnet, that a more reliable car be found.  These fit my taste.  What should I 
be aware of, and which should be avoided?


clay



Cannot recall what is wrong with the one you have.
Have to suggest that, if the cost of repair is reasonable and the rest of the 
one you have is good, then you are likely better off keeping it.
My truck is in that category. It is an 02 with 170K miles on it and is 
developing a bit of rust on the driver's side rocker panel. Runs good, AC works 
etc. Should consider moving on but cannot see anything I want more unless I buy 
new and I rarely do. Last new one was in 1977. Too much $$.

So, I would be fearful of getting into something that has more issues than what 
I already have.

Now, having said that, if your good wife has just come to a point in time where 
she wants, or thinks she wants a different vehicle, then you are not going to 
win this one. Even if she agrees to fix and keep, you will likely end up 
changing vehicles for her in the near future.

So, having said that, I think my advice would be to buy newer and probably the 
newest you think you can afford. Newer vehicles do tend to have some advantages 
- usually safer - and hopefully a lower likelyhood of issues. For example, my 
02 F150 was 5 years old when I got it and I have had it almost 7 years. I have 
done very little work on it in that time. It has thus been very easy to own and 
that contributes to my willingness to keep it for the foreseeable future.

My 2 cents for whatever that is worth.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

Ahh there it is, I knew it was different but similar and remembered it wrong...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:45:08 -0400
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Try http://www.buyeuroparts.com/

Dan not presently dying of cancer

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On Jun 10, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I emailed today, haven't heard anything since Thursday.

 Went over to CarQuest and ordered all new rear brake components for my 190D. 
 They couldn't get a lower radiator hose which isn't tremendously surprising.
 Dr Fatty seems to be out of business, buymbparts.net seems to be gone anyway. 
 I'm thinking of trying Pelican Parts. Who was it that bought from them 
 before, Larry?

 -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

I didn't think they were so terrific last year when although they had a great 
posted price for a 190D radiator they didn't actually have any in stock. 
Couldn't be bothered to tell me for a week and couldn't understand why I was 
pissed when I called them. Rusty had me a new radiator in 3 days and matched 
their price.

When my 240D needed a radiator and I needed it NOW my local CarQuest had it the 
next day.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:00:34 -0400
From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point
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Autohaus Arizona www.autohausaz.com has been stellar over the years.  Their
website gives you part numbers and is a snap to use.  The owner/rep is
acessible most any time via their 800 number, and they ship promptly.  If
you desperately need something in under a week you can pay their expedited
shipping cost and will still come out cheaper than the local dealer.

For dealer only parts, the Classic Center is usually the best route.

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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners


On 10/06/2013 8:36 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:

There's always the classic pellet gun ambush.  Pump to a non-penetrating
level, wait for the leg to be lifted, and... BAM!  Aversion therapy at
its best.

-- Jim



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And, if you stay out of sight, reasonably safe to do.

If you fire up the electronic stuff, even though it is on your own 
property, you may invite one of the gun toting thugs (that you gun 
proponants worry about) over for a visit if it happens to his dog and he 
is near enough to be aware of it.
I also think you will find there are laws against traps and that there 
might be law enforcement types visiting you too, if someone's child 
strays onto your property and manages to get shocked.


In this day and age, with everyone packing a camera of some sort, you 
don't want to be seen doing anything that might give rise to charges or 
a nice civil suit.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

Beware the wrath of the dog loving lobby.

On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

On 10/06/2013 8:36 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:

There's always the classic pellet gun ambush. Pump to a non-penetrating
level, wait for the leg to be lifted, and... BAM! Aversion therapy at
its best.

-- Jim

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And, if you stay out of sight, reasonably safe to do.

If you fire up the electronic stuff, even though it is on your own
property, you may invite one of the gun toting thugs (that you gun
proponants worry about) over for a visit if it happens to his dog and he is
near enough to be aware of it.
I also think you will find there are laws against traps and that there
might be law enforcement types visiting you too, if someone's child strays
onto your property and manages to get shocked.

In this day and age, with everyone packing a camera of some sort, you
don't want to be seen doing anything that might give rise to charges or a
nice civil suit.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT - cat $#it in the garden

How long do you work your compost for? I throw mine into a pile for a year, 
then flip it into a different pile and let it rest a year (getting rid of the 
bad bugs) at which point its just dirt and sticks and the occasional bit of 
plastic.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:55:13 -0400
From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - cat $#it in the garden
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I find the filters unsightly and don't degrade fast enough.

On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Why, whats wrong with the filters? I chuck 'em in the compost, grounds go
 directly into the garden, keeps the cats out.

 Dunno why you would think it was backhanded, I was saying composting cat
 manure is safe if you take rudimentary precautions and that your arguments
 that your indoor cats probably don't have bad bugs anyway is legitimate.

 -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

Not necessarily the best price for every part on every model, but overall
they can't be beat.If you're wanting a high value part then it is probably
agood idea to do some comparison shopping.

On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I didn't think they were so terrific last year when although they had a
 great posted price for a 190D radiator they didn't actually have any in
 stock. Couldn't be bothered to tell me for a week and couldn't understand
 why I was pissed when I called them. Rusty had me a new radiator in 3 days
 and matched their price.

 When my 240D needed a radiator and I needed it NOW my local CarQuest had
 it the next day.

 -Curt

 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:00:34 -0400
 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point
 Message-ID:
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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

 Autohaus Arizona www.autohausaz.com has been stellar over the years.
  Their
 website gives you part numbers and is a snap to use.  The owner/rep is
 acessible most any time via their 800 number, and they ship promptly.  If
 you desperately need something in under a week you can pay their expedited
 shipping cost and will still come out cheaper than the local dealer.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - cat $#it in the garden

I have several piles going but only use the stuff in the covered bin that
is over a year old at the base and maybe three months ar the top, which I
mix periodically with a compost tool..

On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 How long do you work your compost for? I throw mine into a pile for a
 year, then flip it into a different pile and let it rest a year (getting
 rid of the bad bugs) at which point its just dirt and sticks and the
 occasional bit of plastic.

 -Curt

 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:55:13 -0400
 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - cat $#it in the garden
 Message-ID:
 CAC35L=uxgd+l6vymd-ghsxtepnzicsfv0rmghm8rp+n9alh...@mail.gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

 I find the filters unsightly and don't degrade fast enough.

 On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

  Why, whats wrong with the filters? I chuck 'em in the compost, grounds go
  directly into the garden, keeps the cats out.
 
  Dunno why you would think it was backhanded, I was saying composting cat
  manure is safe if you take rudimentary precautions and that your
 arguments
  that your indoor cats probably don't have bad bugs anyway is legitimate.
 


 
  -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

I put Randy's daughter through college and even paid for him to attend StarFest 
in Milwaukee.

If he wasn't on the left coast I would probably still buy from him.

Good guy.

Dan

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On Jun 10, 2013, at 5:14 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:

 Alex wrote:
 I miss Randy Steele.
 
 Randy is wanting your biz.
 Look him up.
 mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT

I concur.

Dad retired longer ago than he intended to live.  Figured a massive coronary 
would have done him in 20 years ago.  He was able to spend most of his 
retirement funding medico and dental professionals.  I have no plans to take up 
space affording the insurance industry and health care machinery massive 
profits by my consumption.  There are more starving younglings out there 
needing to make a stake so they can produce more workers.

clay


On Jun 7, 2013, at 7:26 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

 Alex wrote:
 Does anyone really retire at 65 anymore?
 
 You know I will tell negative thoughts, so move on to another thread
 if you don't like reality and negative.
 
 Retire beyond 65 is wishful thinking today, unless you have a job that
 you manage.  My last year of working was age 59, I'm sure - civil engg
 support, i.e. AutoCad drawings.  From what Rick sez, civil engg is
 dead.  From my friend at the company that let me go, dead.  There are
 wy too many factors to enumerate in any comprehensive manner to do
 justice to show how things are not my father's or my grandfather's
 workplace.  To think retirement and living another 20 years comprises
 hell in my book.  Die already - sounds good enough for me.  Things are
 in greater flux socially and economically and politically and
 religiously - moreso than any of us or any indoctrination, repugnant
 or progressive will want to admit.  Media seems intent on the order of
 keep the masses busy without thinking - tell them what to think.
 Methinks we are being played.  What game? - dunno, but this jazz is
 not what we expected nor is it what our families grew up knowing or
 expecting.  Things are not static, nor are they going to remain as
 they are, nor are they going to be recovered to a former golden age.
 More bad stuff, negative stuff, not good - that is my opinion.  I am
 almost 61, and I do not plan to ask my country to do for me, rather I
 intend to do for my country.  What's that?  I do not intend to extend
 life beyond what life is, but my mom is 88... so maybe I will be here
 quite some time but no extraordinary junk to make things happen -
 neither has my mom.  Oh well.  I think if we keep our heads in the
 sand about the flux we live with, this junk will bite us in the butt -
 and that is a reality whether we are of the repugnant persuasion or if
 we are of the progressive persuasion.  What to do? - DIY seems the
 best.  This is a good crew of people at okiebenz.  Sorry for the
 negative thoughts.
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2013-06-10 Thread Frederick Moir

NOT, etc. Sigh.
 
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Sondy tale

My youth was wasted in Europe and Latin America.  

I had no idea that I did not fit in while in the land of white folks.  It 
seemed natural to learn the language, or else, how was I to get around, 
purchase goodies, or keep out of trouble?  No difference in a child's mind than 
being in the US, other than everybody was not diverse.

Latin America, you figured out pretty fast that you were the minority no matter 
what color or station the rest of the populace.   There were the overly 
entitled rich, who had it all, but they were not that caucasian, so it all came 
out in the wash.  You could be a dick without being white.

Ugly Amerikans were an embarrassment.  Gaudy clothing, loud, and dumb as the 
day is long, expecting to be served as gods, instead of having taken a few 
moments prior to arriving to learn about the country.  I blame Disney

clay

On Jun 7, 2013, at 7:25 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

 There is an important lesson in here that I learned as a youngster who was 
 able to travel outside the country:
 
 When visiting other countries/cultures, follow some simple rules:
 
 1.) Respect your host's culture. Never ridicule, disrespect, or dismiss 
 their culture, language, country, etc.  Just because you're an American 
 doesn't make you or your country better.
 
 2.) Take a serious interest in your host's culture/language/country. It 
 shows a level of respect that they are due.
 
 3.) Make an effort to participate, even if it means publicly humiliating 
 yourself.
 
 When I traveled as an adult, I went to great lengths to learn what I could 
 about the country I would be visiting, including it's history, language, 
 cultures, current events, etc.  The response you will get from people is 
 nothing short of amazing when you show an even limited knowledge of them.  I 
 can't count the number of times I was welcomed into complete stranger's 
 homes to meet their families, neighbors, friends, and so on when I expressed 
 an interest in knowing more about them.
 
 I will say this:  It can be frightening at times.  Be adventuresome. If you 
 don't know the culture, you may be met with strange looks, gasps, whatever, 
 if you act (by their norms) inappropriately.  All you can do is excuse 
 yourself and move on.  In most cases, your host will help guide you through 
 whatever the situation is - if you're gracious they'll understand you're a 
 foreigner and forgive you.
 
 By being accepting and understanding that others are just as good (or 
 better) than we, you'll have some amazing experiences.  Some of the most 
 exciting times and experiences I have ever had in my life were with people I 
 didn't know and will never see again.  They made me feel welcome because I 
 respected them and their culture.  And I learned some wonderful things about 
 other peoples and places, too.
 
 There is nothing worse than the Ugly American who goes to another country 
 and expects things to be the same as they are back home. After all, what's 
 the point?
 
 Dan with over 1,000,000 lifetime flight miles on Northwest alone
 
 
 Hear Hear!Well said!  Not sure anyone can say it better!
 
 I spent a summer @ 15 trying to become an English kid, and many other weeks 
 trying to blend into, and learn about other countries and cultures, and 
 months trying to be a southerner, years trying to fit into the cultures in 
 other parts of this country.
 
 Dieselkopf
 
 Close to a million miles in MBs, untold millions in other vehicles, and a few 
 thousands of air miles on a couple of handsfull of different, and mostly 
 extinct airlines.
 
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[MBZ] Trent Issue


Where is Rusty?

My recollection is that he continued to have a vested interest in this 
business and wanted it to do well.


Randy

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[MBZ] '84 190D lower radiator hose

I think I need the lower radiator hose for my '84 190D. The car loses coolant 
occasionally and the temp gauge acts funny occasionally and I've recently seen 
some coolant at that corner of the car. I think it all adds up since the 
radiator is new, thermostat is new. Upper hose is easy to get, coming from my 
local CarQuest tomorrow.
Lower hose is stocked by both Trent and Dr. Fatty but both list as URO. This is 
a complicated 3 piece hose thingus and what I've heard of URO quality (I 
believe the hose Wilton is waiting on is simmilar) I don't want it.

Pelican parts doesn't have a listing. AutohausAZ lists a Lemfoerder but its on 
backorder.
My local dealer is an hour away.

Anywhere else to try?

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

2013-06-10 Thread Michael Canfield

Me too!  I actually had a picture of it going in my head..

Mike
On Jun 4, 2013 8:00 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Jun 4, 2013 3:42 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 
  For them what can appreciate this:
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie3SrjLlcUY

 I clicked the link expecting to see a Triumph with a Porsche engine
 transplant, but that was much cooler.  Thanks!

 Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Opine away

I'd like to think Alaskans are smart enough to know if you're plowing snow down 
the road you shouldn't have come out.
We had a blizzard back in February and they closed the roads which is basically 
unheard of. The government took some flack but compared to the hundreds of 
people stranded in their cars in NY it was a good choice.
People in NY said I had to go to work to which I replied It was an early 
evening storm, you should have STAYED at work...
People around here with 4wd would be better off in a 2wd with snow tires. If 
its so bad you really have to have 4wd you probably shouldn't be out.

I remember in 2008 we had an ice storm and my in-laws complained You can't go 
anywhere there's utility crews blocking up the roads. I tried to be patient 
when I explained that getting in the way of the utility crews would only make 
it take longer for the power to come on.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:18:56 -0500
From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Opine away
Message-ID: 51b642c0.6000...@bennell.ca
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How deep is the snow likely to be?
If I were looking for a snow vehicle it would be a 4X4 truck with some 
clearance. Our old 4Runner was pretty good and I have no complaints 
about my F150. Both are the sort that cannot be driven on dry pavement 
in 4 wheel drive but are pretty stable on slippery roads and will plough 
through snow as they have some clearance. AWD cars are interesting but 
don't have the clearance to permit them to go where the roads don't get 
cleared pretty quickly.

Randy

On 09/06/2013 10:38 PM, clay wrote:
 Thank you Randy.  SWMBA will be purchasing an new to her car in about a year. 
  She needs something to drive in Anchorage.  I do not need a car for snow, as 
 I intend to remain parked in my home in the lower 48.  She is making a career 
 move that requires (?) a car for snow.

 I do like the cars I have.  There is going to come a time for the E300 to 
 require massive infusions of dollars to bring it back to a reasonably safe 
 condition.  That time is not now, but maybe when the bushings die, the 
 suspension sags, the engine leaks and burns coolant, and the seats and carpet 
 are all broken springs and threadbare tufting.  In my mind, that is in 
 another 400k miles.

 clay

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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

2013-06-10 Thread Gerry Archer

It once was against the law (or credit card rules) to debit an account 
before items are shipped IIRC.


Has anyone contacted Rusty to see if he knows anything about this situation?
Gerry


On 6/7/13 5:41 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

Facts provided without comment:
A couple of weeks ago I sent a list of parts I needed to Buymbparts 
buymbpa...@gmail.com and we went back and forth a couple times, got 
some prices on the stuff.  This was just prices in the email, not the 
pdf quote with part #s, etc. I had received in the past when I put in 
orders.
I called last Friday to put in the order, spoke to a woman Kerri who had 
the emails, pulled up my info, we went over the list and I placed the 
order.  It was 3:30ish, she said she would try to get the order in so it 
might be shipped that afternoon.

I saw my bank acct had been debited on Friday last.
Today is a week later, still no parts.



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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

2013-06-10 Thread Gerry Archer

If you paid with a credit card, can't you stop payment to him from the 
credit card company and get your $150 back?


Also, I never hear anyone mentioning Peach Parts in Atlanta (a division of 
Pelican Parts).  Is there something problematic about them?   Shipping from 
them should be faster in the Southeast.

Gerry

From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net


No it is not a temper tantrum.  It is a matter of sharing FACTS related to 
someone many of us might find important in dealing with our cars, as was 
Rusty.  I think many of us were willing to support his efforts in this 
business, expecting a similar level of service, or at least hoping for 
such, based on initial comms in that regard.


I paid this guy for some basic parts.  His person Kerri took the order and 
took my money Friday a week ago.  She was pleasant and had my info there. 
Good enough.


I expected to receive the goods within a few days, she said she would try 
to get the order in that Friday afternoon, barring that, Monday.  Good 
enough.  No different from many other orders from Rusty over the years, 
this guy is the new Rusty basically doing the same thing.  No particular 
reason to expect a different experience.  He takes an order, ships what he 
has or passes it on to Worldpac, whatever works.


On Friday morning I sent TF an email asking where the stuff was, thinking 
a week was long enough to get stuff shipped out given my previous 
experiences.  He sent back a msg saying he would get back to me when he 
got to the office later on.  I heard nothing back on Friday.


I called 2X this morning asking what the story was.  2 different people 
answered and said they would pass the msg along for him to call me back. 
That was hours ago, no call.  He has gone dark. Nice.


Others have bought stuff from this guy and have not received their orders, 
and he is not responding to queries -- emails or phone calls.  He has gone 
dark on them owing them parts/money.  Nice.


I did some research to see if I could find out the guy's story.  I found 
that info about the DUI.  That suggests to me we might be dealing with 
someone who has responsibility issues, in addition to my and others' 
experiences with ordering parts, but you draw your own conclusions based 
on that info and my/others' experiences, more FACTS.  I found other info 
too that is a bit concerning.


Now I have to try to figure out how to either get my stuff, or get my $150 
back, or some combination of the 2.  Its not like I am going destitute 
over the $150 but it just really pisses me off.


I am upset because I had expected to get this car sorted last week then 
drive to my daughter on the past weekend to give her this car, then take 
the car she has to my son who now needs a car.  This problem has given me 
a larger headache and caused some other issues due to lack of 
carry-through by this guy.  Not the least having my son and my wife on my 
ass to get the car deal sorted within a hard time constraint and other 
life issues.  So it is causing me more headache and likely more money to 
get a plane ticket sorted.  I have basically lost 10 days on this guy and 
his lack of responsiveness having taken my money.  That pisses me off too.


I am interested to know any other parts of the entire story if you, he, or 
anyone else can share it with me.  So far I have related FACTS as I know 
them, but perhaps he has suffered some malady that prevents his attention 
to business, or something.  I am open to education in that regard and will 
consider it, apologize, whatever.


I suggest that anyone else contemplating ordering stuff from this guy 
might want to evaluate other alternatives given what I know to be FACTUAL 
information about this guy, but, as always, YMMV and you are welcome to 
spend your money however you want.


--R



On 6/10/13 4:09 PM, Jon Agne wrote:
Wow.  Sounds just like a temper tantrum to me.  I do not suppose that he 
knows the entire story, now does he?


Jon


On Jun 10, 2013, at 3:56 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:


On Jun 10, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote:

Just wondering why you would ever want to post something like 
that..


Because it is public information.

Because he is angry.

Because no one likes losing money.

Because if you have a business, you communicate and try to rectify 
problems as they arise. Granted, some people will never be satisfied, 
regardless of the level of service provided, but a brief explanation can 
go along way to smooth ruffled feathers with most folks.


Rick
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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

Dan wrote:
 I put Randy's daughter through college and even paid for him to attend 
 StarFest in Milwaukee.

 If he wasn't on the left coast I would probably still buy from him.

 Good guy.

www.epsparts.com/parts/

Alex is on west coast, if I recall properly.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Opine away

2013-06-10 Thread Scott Ritchey




In my experience (1) 4WD lets you to get stuck in places where other people
would never go and (2) a locking differential in 2WD is often better than
4WD with open differentials. 



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Re: [MBZ] Opine away


I was not really talking about blizzards.
My back lane is often drifted and has ruts from other vehicles going 
out. I don't have trouble after I get a few blocks onto more travelled 
roads but I have to say that I worry much less about getting from my 
parking spot to the major streets with 4 wheel drive.
Turn the switch and just chug along until it is not needed anymore. I 
swear I will not be without 4 wheel drive again so long as I live in 
snow country and clearance is your friend when the snow is even ankle deep.


Randy


On 10/06/2013 5:05 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

I'd like to think Alaskans are smart enough to know if you're plowing snow down 
the road you shouldn't have come out.
We had a blizzard back in February and they closed the roads which is basically 
unheard of. The government took some flack but compared to the hundreds of 
people stranded in their cars in NY it was a good choice.
People in NY said I had to go to work to which I replied It was an early evening 
storm, you should have STAYED at work...
People around here with 4wd would be better off in a 2wd with snow tires. If 
its so bad you really have to have 4wd you probably shouldn't be out.

I remember in 2008 we had an ice storm and my in-laws complained You can't go 
anywhere there's utility crews blocking up the roads. I tried to be patient when I 
explained that getting in the way of the utility crews would only make it take longer for 
the power to come on.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:18:56 -0500
From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Opine away
Message-ID: 51b642c0.6000...@bennell.ca
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

How deep is the snow likely to be?
If I were looking for a snow vehicle it would be a 4X4 truck with some
clearance. Our old 4Runner was pretty good and I have no complaints
about my F150. Both are the sort that cannot be driven on dry pavement
in 4 wheel drive but are pretty stable on slippery roads and will plough
through snow as they have some clearance. AWD cars are interesting but
don't have the clearance to permit them to go where the roads don't get
cleared pretty quickly.

Randy

On 09/06/2013 10:38 PM, clay wrote:

Thank you Randy.  SWMBA will be purchasing an new to her car in about a year.  
She needs something to drive in Anchorage.  I do not need a car for snow, as I 
intend to remain parked in my home in the lower 48.  She is making a career 
move that requires (?) a car for snow.

I do like the cars I have.  There is going to come a time for the E300 to 
require massive infusions of dollars to bring it back to a reasonably safe 
condition.  That time is not now, but maybe when the bushings die, the 
suspension sags, the engine leaks and burns coolant, and the seats and carpet 
are all broken springs and threadbare tufting.  In my mind, that is in another 
400k miles.

clay

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Re: [MBZ] Opine away


On 10/06/2013 5:21 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:



In my experience (1) 4WD lets you to get stuck in places where other people
would never go and (2) a locking differential in 2WD is often better than
4WD with open differentials.



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If you are going to go where the big 4X4 truck gets stuck, you need the 
winch on the front etc.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT

clay wrote:
 There are more starving younglings out there needing to make a stake so they 
 can produce more workers.


My kids have sworn off that type of activity - making younglings.

NPR had an article about a hospital management company in NC that
specifies percentage of ER intakes to hospital - like 20%.
My son broke his femur and they finagled a 2-week stay.  I say
finagled after hearing this story.  If it was not their finagle, he's
one of a very few femur breaks that devolves to a week of near death
which nobody wants to admit as failed anesthesia.  Then a week of
rehab.  It is the type of experience that makes me for sure say NO to
ever doing hospital care.  Sad, but cost and finagle for the $ guys
makes the situation very sad.  I resolve to never be admitted to
hospital, period.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

2013-06-10 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On Jun 10, 2013 3:16 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:

 Dan wrote:
  I put Randy's daughter through college and even paid for him to attend
StarFest in Milwaukee.
 
  If he wasn't on the left coast I would probably still buy from him.
 
  Good guy.

 www.epsparts.com/parts/

 Alex is on west coast, if I recall properly.
 mao


I am indeed.  I had no idea Randy was still in the foreign parts business.
Thanks for the URL.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT

2013-06-10 Thread Scott Ritchey



clay wrote:
 There are more starving younglings out there needing to make a stake so
they can produce more workers.


I don't know about starving, but there are a lot of younglings out there
that need to be told (or retold) that the world does not owe them a living.



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Re: [MBZ] Deaf dog owners

I don't plan to be doing any of that stuff.

Wilton

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On 10/06/2013 8:36 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:

There's always the classic pellet gun ambush.  Pump to a non-penetrating
level, wait for the leg to be lifted, and... BAM!  Aversion therapy at
its best.

-- Jim

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And, if you stay out of sight, reasonably safe to do.

If you fire up the electronic stuff, even though it is on your own 
property, you may invite one of the gun toting thugs (that you gun 
proponants worry about) over for a visit if it happens to his dog and he 
is near enough to be aware of it.
I also think you will find there are laws against traps and that there 
might be law enforcement types visiting you too, if someone's child 
strays onto your property and manages to get shocked.

In this day and age, with everyone packing a camera of some sort, you 
don't want to be seen doing anything that might give rise to charges or 
a nice civil suit.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point


Gerry Archer wrote:

Also, I never hear anyone mentioning Peach Parts in Atlanta (a division 
of Pelican Parts).  Is there something problematic about them?   
Shipping from them should be faster in the Southeast.


If I've got it right, Phil Reinhardt changed the name from Fastlane to Peach 
Parts, then sold it to Pelican Parts, then died last year. So, Peach Parts is 
pretty much a 2nd name for Pelican now? Anybody have experience with Pelican?


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Trent Issue


My thoughts, too.

Wilton

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Subject: [MBZ] Trent Issue



Where is Rusty?

My recollection is that he continued to have a vested interest in this 
business and wanted it to do well.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

Good point.  This is the way Chavez kept Venezuela primed for his socialist 
progroms.  No poo paper, no milk, no bread, no rice, no staples available 
unless you wait in line. Meantime, the folks with money are able to shop in 
Miami and fly high quality merchandise home in their Cessna.  

Lots of subsidized fuel available, and if the rich are able to wipe their 
butts, they must be the source of all the trouble.  Blame them for the lack of 
agriculture and industry, because the government and military are building you 
slums to live in and erecting schools, but not encouraging the average worker 
to remain on a farm, where his labor will enhance the nation.

clay



On Jun 8, 2013, at 7:45 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:

 
 
 Mountain Man wrote:
 The current round of scandal only pushes their thresholds..
 
 Gun sales are hot, but I also hear the market has been robbed by huge
 govt purchases, so of course consumer market is no-longer-available.
 
 
 Even if everyone has guns, will anyone ever use them in a Redneck
 Spring?  ..  Gimme bigmac and tv and I am happy - go away.  
 --
 
 First, the so-called Government buy (1.6B rounds) is a requirements contract
 and very little has actually been ordered.  For civilian suppliers, like
 Hornady, government is less than 10% of their business.
 
 Second, if a fraction of the population can clean out the ammo shelves in a
 few weeks, how long will it take to clean out the grocery shelves if there
 is panic buying?  And when the shelves are bare and the gas tank is empty
 there will be no complacency.  Some people act like animals at the Golden
 Corral now.  What do you expect during a real shortage?
 
 


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Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

My six year old cousin was almost expelled in January because he has a thumb
and index finger. He was caught brandishing this on school property and they
have a zero tolerance policy. I think they are planning on chopping off thumbs
for a dual purpose of reducing texting and violence.

clay

On Jun 8, 2013, at 8:06 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Scott Ritchey wrote:
What is so amazing is that all this is a response to a vague and
undefined threat of a possible future restriction on 2nd amendment rights.

1. We know what Obama wants to do to handguns and repeating rifles, and that
he expected to do it after that elementary school shooting in December.
2. We've seen what California, NY, NJ, and Colorado have passed so far this
year.
3. The California General Assembly passed a ban on lead bullets this week. If
the upper house passes it, the Governor will sign it into law immediately.
http://gunssavelives.net/blog/breaking-california-general-assembly-votes-to-essentially-ban-almost-all-hunting-ammunition/

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Re: [MBZ] '84 190D lower radiator hose

2013-06-10 Thread MG

Might try 
http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/search/?N=0Nr=AND%28wpn_tl_name:Engine+%26+Drivetrain,wpn_cat_name:Radiators\%2C+Fans\%2C+Cooling+Systems+%26+Components,wpn_scat_name:Coolant+Hoses+%26+Components,part:Radiator+Hose%29

Same URO parts $43.95

Manfred

Curt Raymond wrote:

I think I need the lower radiator hose for my '84 190D. The car loses coolant 
occasionally and the temp gauge acts funny occasionally and I've recently seen 
some coolant at that corner of the car. I think it all adds up since the 
radiator is new, thermostat is new. Upper hose is easy to get, coming from my 
local CarQuest tomorrow.
Lower hose is stocked by both Trent and Dr. Fatty but both list as URO. This is 
a complicated 3 piece hose thingus and what I've heard of URO quality (I 
believe the hose Wilton is waiting on is simmilar) I don't want it.

Pelican parts doesn't have a listing. AutohausAZ lists a Lemfoerder but its on 
backorder.
My local dealer is an hour away.

Anywhere else to try?

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Trent Issue

I sent him an email to see if he had any insight into this guy and his 
(lack of) performance.  Have not heard back.


--R

On 6/10/13 5:56 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:

Where is Rusty?

My recollection is that he continued to have a vested interest in this 
business and wanted it to do well.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Opine away

If theres so much snow I can't get through it with my 240D and snow tires I 
shouldn't be out. It'll push snow up to the top of the bumper with little 
concern, deeper if its powder. A heavy car with narrow tires and not too much 
power is a good snow vehicle.

Scott is right about a locking differential, my Ranger has a mere limited slip 
and its made all the difference sometimes. When we were at camp last month 
there was one road my parent's open diff Jeep Liberty just couldn't make that 
the Ranger could (but only barely).

-Curt

Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:25:30 -0500
From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Opine away
Message-ID: 51b6525a.4080...@bennell.ca
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

I was not really talking about blizzards.
My back lane is often drifted and has ruts from other vehicles going 
out. I don't have trouble after I get a few blocks onto more travelled 
roads but I have to say that I worry much less about getting from my 
parking spot to the major streets with 4 wheel drive.
Turn the switch and just chug along until it is not needed anymore. I 
swear I will not be without 4 wheel drive again so long as I live in 
snow country and clearance is your friend when the snow is even ankle deep.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder


clay wrote:

My six year old cousin was almost expelled in January because he has a thumb 
and index finger.  He was caught brandishing this on school property and they 
have a zero tolerance policy.  I think they are planning on chopping off thumbs 
for a dual purpose of reducing texting and violence.


So, you'd identify with this situation:
http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/03/maryland-school-suspends-six-year-old-boy-for-making-gun-gesture-saying-pow/


Remember the kid who sculpted a Pop-Tart by chewing away the parts that didn't 
vaguely resemble a pistol and got suspended? IIRC, his attorney claimed that the 
states of Idaho and Florida are shaped more like pistols than the Pop-Tart in 
question.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/03/02/second-grader-suspended-for-having-breakfast-pastry-shaped-like-a-gun/

Then there's the 8th grader in Logan County West Virgina who got ARRESTED for 
disagreeing with a teacher over whether his NRA t-shirt violated the dress code.

(turns out the shirt didn't violate anything)
http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/23/eighth-grader-arrested-over-nra-shirt-returns-to-school-in-same-shirt/

Another 8th grader got in trouble for a Marine Corps t-shirt:
http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/27/junior-high-teacher-tells-kid-to-remove-marines-t-shirt-or-get-suspended/

A kindergartener got in big trouble over a cap gun, and his family claims the 
school is lying about what he did with it:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/31/kindergartener-interrogated-over-cap-gun-until-he-pees-his-pants-then-suspended-10-days

Then there's the girl who terroristically threatened to bring her Hello Kitty 
soap bubble gun to school:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/19/kindergartener-suspended-for-making-terroristic-threat-with-hello-kitty-bubble-gun/

Even the ultra-progressive Huffington Post was upset at the treatment (almost 
certainly in violation of the ADA) a deaf three year old got last year because 
school authorities didn't like the way he signed his name (looks to me a lot 
like a Peace sign).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/28/hunter-spanjer-3-year-old_n_1836159.html

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Re: [MBZ] '84 190D lower radiator hose


MG wrote:
Might try 
http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/search/?N=0Nr=AND%28wpn_tl_name:Engine+%26+Drivetrain,wpn_cat_name:Radiators\%2C+Fans\%2C+Cooling+Systems+%26+Components,wpn_scat_name:Coolant+Hoses+%26+Components,part:Radiator+Hose%29 


Same URO parts $43.95


It's more like $16 (plus monumental shipping, I'm sure) at CrockAuto.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Trent Issue

2013-06-10 Thread Rusty Cullens


I am here, I didn't see the email, sorry. I have tried to talk to Trent about 
all the issues that pop up but I too get ignored sometimes. I will continue to 
prod him for any and all of ya'll. FYI, life at WorldPac is amazing! In my 2 
months on the phones after the initial training, I have added 62 accounts and 
sold them quite a bit. Keep in mind to become an account you have to buy a 
minimum of 2k a month. The account base they have given me has increased 37 
percent over the same 2 months. It looks like I may keep my job! Keep posting 
or private email me if Trent isn't doing what he should. Thanks.


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trent Issue

I sent him an email to see if he had any insight into this guy and his 
(lack of) performance.  Have not heard back.

--R

On 6/10/13 5:56 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
 Where is Rusty?

 My recollection is that he continued to have a vested interest in this 
 business and wanted it to do well.

 Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Opine away


How deep is the snow likely to be?
If I were looking for a snow vehicle it would be a 4X4 truck with 
some clearance. Our old 4Runner was pretty good and I have no 
complaints about my F150. Both are the sort that cannot be driven on 
dry pavement in 4 wheel drive but are pretty stable on slippery 
roads and will plough through snow as they have some clearance. AWD 
cars are interesting but don't have the clearance to permit them to 
go where the roads don't get cleared pretty quickly.


Randy


As WIlton would say:  Zactly!  I could go anywhere in a 200D or a 
240D until the snow got so deep the car floated on the floor pans. 
Don't need 4WD in most cases.  What you need to get through snow is 
clearance, Clarence. 

When I put 7.50 16 michelin MS tars on my broco, I gained a couple 
of inches of ground clearance.  Maybe 3-4 total gain over the 
factory small 15 tars.  In between I had N78-15 ambulance tars on it 
to get more clearance.


A well balanced 2wd car with 2 sand sacks and good tires will go 
anywhere it has clearance.  For maximum  deep snow travel, you want a 
2ton truck or larger with 22.5 tires on, and lots of weight to give 
the tires traction.  Or a front assist tractor (working cab and 
heater are nice...)


I drove the ol 65 shovey to GR MI and back in a blizzard in '80 or 
so.  It did fine.  visibility was bad at times, but the car did ok. 
something like 1200 miles round trip.  Schnee through IL, IN and MI.


A loaded truck will go through deep schnee when no car can.  (pickups 
are not really trucks unless they are grossed out.)

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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

Randy went back to the stealership some years back, probably in the late 
90s/early 2000s if I recall correctly.  He had some major health issues and 
left at some point in the future after that.

He has or had a large supply of NOS parts, which he started liquidating on eBay 
some years back out of a warehouse in Goleta, where he is still located today 
as far as I know.

I touch base with him from time to time. My needs are minimal enough that it 
doesn't make a lot of logistical or financial sense to buy from a supplier in 
California.

He's a good guy, very knowledgeable, and knows his customers well.  He is 
pretty active on the Hitler list, which I find curious, but I have never seen 
any reference to his business or selling parts that I know of. It's possible 
that some of the list residents there patronize him. I do not know.

Dan

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On Jun 10, 2013, at 6:39 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Jun 10, 2013 3:16 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Dan wrote:
 I put Randy's daughter through college and even paid for him to attend
 StarFest in Milwaukee.
 
 If he wasn't on the left coast I would probably still buy from him.
 
 Good guy.
 
 www.epsparts.com/parts/
 
 Alex is on west coast, if I recall properly.
 mao
 
 I am indeed.  I had no idea Randy was still in the foreign parts business.
 Thanks for the URL.
 
 Alex
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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

2013-06-10 Thread Rusty Cullens

He is a very nice person from what I remember. I have invited to be on LinkedIn 
with no response even though we supply him and I no longer compete with him. 
Some folks keep drudges, some don't. 


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

Randy went back to the stealership some years back, probably in the late 
90s/early 2000s if I recall correctly.  He had some major health issues and 
left at some point in the future after that.

He has or had a large supply of NOS parts, which he started liquidating on eBay 
some years back out of a warehouse in Goleta, where he is still located today 
as far as I know.

I touch base with him from time to time. My needs are minimal enough that it 
doesn't make a lot of logistical or financial sense to buy from a supplier in 
California.

He's a good guy, very knowledgeable, and knows his customers well.  He is 
pretty active on the Hitler list, which I find curious, but I have never seen 
any reference to his business or selling parts that I know of. It's possible 
that some of the list residents there patronize him. I do not know.

Dan

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On Jun 10, 2013, at 6:39 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Jun 10, 2013 3:16 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Dan wrote:
 I put Randy's daughter through college and even paid for him to attend
 StarFest in Milwaukee.
 
 If he wasn't on the left coast I would probably still buy from him.
 
 Good guy.
 
 www.epsparts.com/parts/
 
 Alex is on west coast, if I recall properly.
 mao
 
 I am indeed.  I had no idea Randy was still in the foreign parts business.
 Thanks for the URL.
 
 Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Trent Issue

Thanks for the response.  He needs a large prod, maybe inserted permanently, or 
at least until the issues are resolved.  With a remote control...

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Jun 10, 2013, at 7:04 PM, Rusty Cullens rustycull...@gmail.com wrote:


I am here, I didn't see the email, sorry. I have tried to talk to Trent about 
all the issues that pop up but I too get ignored sometimes. I will continue to 
prod him for any and all of ya'll. FYI, life at WorldPac is amazing! In my 2 
months on the phones after the initial training, I have added 62 accounts and 
sold them quite a bit. Keep in mind to become an account you have to buy a 
minimum of 2k a month. The account base they have given me has increased 37 
percent over the same 2 months. It looks like I may keep my job! Keep posting 
or private email me if Trent isn't doing what he should. Thanks.


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trent Issue

I sent him an email to see if he had any insight into this guy and his 
(lack of) performance.  Have not heard back.

--R

On 6/10/13 5:56 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
 Where is Rusty?
 
 My recollection is that he continued to have a vested interest in this 
 business and wanted it to do well.
 
 Randy
 
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Re: [MBZ] Opine away

2013-06-10 Thread Michael Canfield

I talked my Mom into buying a Subaru Forester when she moved to Alaska.
After her first whole winter with it up there she couldn't be happier.

Mike
On Jun 7, 2013 2:42 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 Sadly she is practical and thrifty.  For her upcoming birthday all she
 wants is the house to be clean.  WTF!?!   Cash is something to be hoarded
 in her mind.  I wait patiently until her new car falls apart in a year or
 so.  Then again, she is going to sell that and move to Alaska, where she
 will drive some other conveyance.   Getting that thing will be a whole
 other crate of worms


 clay


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 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
 POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








 On Jun 6, 2013, at 7:07 AM, Dieselhead wrote:

  Tell her that no matter how much cash you spend there is no guarantee
 that
  even a brand new car will be more reliable.  Just fix the E and call it
 a
  day.  She'll quit whining when you buy her nice things with the car
 payment
  money...lol
 
  Mikd
 
  Hear Hear!
 
  I see a lot more newish cars F.O.R.D than E300Ds   (which to me is still
 newish)  I see very few MBs F.O.R.D.
 
  You just need to find something else she wants more than a new car.
 
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Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT

Scott wrote:
 I don't know about starving, but there are a lot of younglings out there
 that need to be told (or retold) that the world does not owe them a living.


I think that is a gross mis-characterization.
I think the other gross mis-characterization is that many have school
loans that are fundamentally discouraging.  And there are many who
realize that nothing will ever get them to decent wage or position.  I
always thought I could get to decent wage or position but didn't.
Grunt in professional firm is all that math/physics got me.  I did
enjoy making younglings and living.  So, ya 'spose I told my kids
coledg is all important? - not by my experience.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes concept car

I think the tires would be hard to change

clay

On Jun 9, 2013, at 12:36 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:

 http://www.notcot.com/archives/2010/11/mercedes-benz-biome-11.php
 
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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

Prior to July 1947- May 1949

clay

On Jun 10, 2013, at 6:01 AM, WILTON wrote:

 If it was between 1941 and Sep 18, 1947, US Army Air Force; US Air Force 
 after Sep 47.
 
 Wilton
 
 - Original Message - From: clay redgh...@comcast.net
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 11:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944
 
 
 That odd transition time seems to have caught my father.  The service was 
 yesterday and though he had enlisted in the army, served in Korea and got 
 out just prior to the police action, he was honored as and his marker says 
 he was Air Force.  Must have been DoD designation, though discharge papers 
 say he was army.
 
 clay
 
 
 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
 POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Jun 6, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:
 
 Max wrote:
 AAC, that's it.
 
 My dad joined up around the time the Army Air Corps became the Air Force, I 
 think in 1951. When he enlisted, the old timers could still wear Army 
 greens, but they only issued Air Force blues to the newbies so he didn't 
 get a choice in the matter.
 
 Mitch.
 
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Re: [MBZ] '84 190D lower radiator hose

As Mitch says RockAuto has it for $16 but the thing is I don't want a URO hose 
at any price. I have such a poor opinion of them I wouldn't take one if they 
gave it to me for free.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:49:20 -0400
From: MG trainpain2...@aol.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '84 190D lower radiator hose
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Might try 
http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/search/?N=0Nr=AND%28wpn_tl_name:Engine+%26+Drivetrain,wpn_cat_name:Radiators\%2C+Fans\%2C+Cooling+Systems+%26+Components,wpn_scat_name:Coolant+Hoses+%26+Components,part:Radiator+Hose%29
Same URO parts $43.95

Manfred

Curt Raymond wrote:
 I think I need the lower radiator hose for my '84 190D. The car loses coolant 
 occasionally and the temp gauge acts funny occasionally and I've recently 
 seen some coolant at that corner of the car. I think it all adds up since the 
 radiator is new, thermostat is new. Upper hose is easy to get, coming from my 
 local CarQuest tomorrow.
 Lower hose is stocked by both Trent and Dr. Fatty but both list as URO. This 
 is a complicated 3 piece hose thingus and what I've heard of URO quality (I 
 believe the hose Wilton is waiting on is simmilar) I don't want it.

 Pelican parts doesn't have a listing. AutohausAZ lists a Lemfoerder but its 
 on backorder.
 My local dealer is an hour away.

 Anywhere else to try?

 -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT

clay wrote:
 There are more starving younglings out there needing to make a stake so they 
 can produce more workers.


Finagle costs... again.
I thought it was NPR.
But, it was 60-Minutes last night:
www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50148539n  -  video
www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57586902/hospitals-thecost-of-admission/  - text
I hear it on radio.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] My experience -- a datum point

I will check it out, but I may get cancer and die

clay

On Jun 10, 2013, at 1:45 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

 Try http://www.buyeuroparts.com/
 
 Dan not presently dying of cancer
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jun 10, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 I emailed today, haven't heard anything since Thursday.
 
 Went over to CarQuest and ordered all new rear brake components for my 190D. 
 They couldn't get a lower radiator hose which isn't tremendously surprising.
 Dr Fatty seems to be out of business, buymbparts.net seems to be gone 
 anyway. I'm thinking of trying Pelican Parts. Who was it that bought from 
 them before, Larry?
 
 -Curt
 
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Re: [MBZ] Trent Issue

Thanks Rusty, sorry you had to get dragged into this.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 23:04:32 +
From: Rusty Cullens rustycull...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trent Issue
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I am here, I didn't see the email, sorry. I have tried to talk to Trent about 
all the issues that pop up but I too get ignored sometimes. I will continue to 
prod him for any and all of ya'll. FYI, life at WorldPac is amazing! In my 2 
months on the phones after the initial training, I have added 62 accounts and 
sold them quite a bit. Keep in mind to become an account you have to buy a 
minimum of 2k a month. The account base they have given me has increased 37 
percent over the same 2 months. It looks like I may keep my job! Keep posting 
or private email me if Trent isn't doing what he should. Thanks.

Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944