[MBZ] [ADMIN] List Content
Gerry, First of all, if you had questions about filtering, you should have addressed them to either myself or Kaleb privately. Attempting to post something you expect to create dissent or of a highly contentious nature to see if there were filters for such issues is simply wrong. Had you bothered to contact myself or Kaleb we would have gladly explained that there are no content filters on this list and to my knowledge there never have been. The list software isn't that smart. Using the list for social experiments is not acceptable. As for rules, while there are few explicitly stated, we have had enough trouble with contentious issues that any list member should have a solid grasp of what is and what isn't acceptable subject matter. If anyone has a question about that, they can address it to myself or Kaleb. As to your concerns about the government's efforts to impose control, it hasn't happened here. Your previous efforts to post such things have failed due to their being addressed incorrectly, and as a result the list software rejected them. I have seen them in the approval queue, and considering the content inappropriate for the list, rejected them. Had you bothered to ask me about this I would have gladly explained. I have neither the time nor inclination to address every rejected submission to the list. If someone's subscription goes awry, that's one thing. Seeing a stream of forwarded messages on an occasional basis does not merit a response. This is not the place for a social experiment. This is a list for Mercedes' enthusiasts. Let's keep it that way, please. Again, if anyone has questions, take it private. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 6, 2014, at 12:55 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Gerry wrote: I posted this to see if there were filters for such issues on the mercedes list. The existence of such filters on Yahoogroups is being investigated by several members of a Yahoogroups list I belong to, and I had hoped to post a failure to deliver notice here in the hopes that some of the computer experts on this list could determine how and/or by whom the message was blocked. The government has proposed laws to control the content of submissions on the internet which are opposed by many, left wing and right wing. It isn't surprising that most members objection to the posting is because of its content rather than the fact that it is not about Mercedes. Personally, I have a wait and see attitude toward global warming; especially since I remember that during the 1970s all the rage was about global cooling which was why the government took away R-12 and have caused us Mercedes owners all sorts of air conditioning troubles. (Mercedes content.) Gerry...an observer, not a partisan or activist. Peter wrote: This is trash promulgated by a non-scientist with a right wing agenda. You should know better than to parrot viral garbage racing around the internet before you do due diligence. .. Actually your vitriolic rant is what is garbage. I am a scientist and am on an email list of many leading scientists who discuss the mis-information behind the climate hysteria, not the least of which is that the climate models are increasingly divergent from what is actually happening. From a posting on that list, -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] The White Whale - soon to be sighted in the CHS area
Dang Max, I go away for the weekend and come back to find that you've done more work in that weekend then I've gotten done in weeks. Way to go!! Manfred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] new fix on new/old TD
Having that linkage break while driving would not be my favorite thing in the world. That sounds like a very nice emergency fix. I hope to remember it if I ever need it. Manfred Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 12:17:40 -0500 From: M. Mitchell Marmel marme...@gmail.com Had fun for about an hour this morning. I fixed the accelerator linkage on the firewall of the red TD. Had that happen on a 450SEL-on the side of the interstate! No good atall. Wound up sticking in a small socket in lieu of the bushing, which held me until I got home and could order a replacement... -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
Original Message From: archer75--- via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, October 5, 2014 11:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List; Big snip global cooling which was why the government took away R-12 R-12 was taken off the market because it eroded the ozone layer in the upper atmosphere. It was lauded as a perfect coolant because it is extremely stable. That attribute was it's downfall, because it was so stable, it didn’t degrade until it reached the upper atmosphere (perhaps stratosphere?) where it's molecules were split into their base atoms and the chlorine contained within caused the destruction of the ozone. I'd be more than happy to provide footnotes to back these facts up, but I just don't feel like looking it up right now. How does this relate to Mercedes? Our older, beloved Mercedes use this ozone depleting aerosol as a refrigerant to keep us cool in the summer time and our windshields clear of fog in spring and fall. As R-12 becomes less and less available, an adequate substitute needed to be found. I believe that substitute to be Enviro Safe. It is essentially the Jim Cathey test blend, with a pine scent added to identify any leaks. It is flammable, however I think that the possibility of the car being incinerated like the Mercedes in the movie Arbitrage is slim. (mores Mercedes content) The R-134a that has been used in Mercedes for nearly two decades is set to be replaced, however independent testing by Daimler showed it to be flammable. http://www.emercedesbenz.com/autos/mercedes-benz/corporate-news/mercedes-benz-independent-study-finds-new-refrigerant-to-be-dangerous/ http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1086548_mercedes-wins-french-court-ruling-in-r134a-refrigerant-case Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The White Whale - soon to be sighted in the CHS area
Ooh no, that was spread out over about two weeks. Thanks for the compliment, feels great to finally have that done. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Oct 6, 2014 7:32 AM, MG via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dang Max, I go away for the weekend and come back to find that you've done more work in that weekend then I've gotten done in weeks. Way to go!! Manfred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
It would be interesting to know what percentage of vehicles out there still have R12 systems. With the push to convert to R134a over the years as well as the relative ease to do so, I have to believe the total number of cars still using R12 has got to be a pretty small percentage of the total with AC. That being said, with my recent foray into AC on the S500, I found a lot of doom and gloom or overblown warnings against the use of propane based refrigerants. While there has got to be some danger due to flammability, I have to believe the risk is minimal due to the limited volume and the fairly narrow requirements to cause ignition. In the interest of full disclosure, my oldest son's 300E 2.6 still has R12 in it, and I have a can on the shelf. It could probably stand to be topped off, but I don't have a manifold gauge set that will do R12. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 6, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Original Message From: archer75--- via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, October 5, 2014 11:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List; Big snip global cooling which was why the government took away R-12 R-12 was taken off the market because it eroded the ozone layer in the upper atmosphere. It was lauded as a perfect coolant because it is extremely stable. That attribute was it's downfall, because it was so stable, it didn’t degrade until it reached the upper atmosphere (perhaps stratosphere?) where it's molecules were split into their base atoms and the chlorine contained within caused the destruction of the ozone. I'd be more than happy to provide footnotes to back these facts up, but I just don't feel like looking it up right now. How does this relate to Mercedes? Our older, beloved Mercedes use this ozone depleting aerosol as a refrigerant to keep us cool in the summer time and our windshields clear of fog in spring and fall. As R-12 becomes less and less available, an adequate substitute needed to be found. I believe that substitute to be Enviro Safe. It is essentially the Jim Cathey test blend, with a pine scent added to identify any leaks. It is flammable, however I think that the possibility of the car being incinerated like the Mercedes in the movie Arbitrage is slim. (mores Mercedes content) The R-134a that has been used in Mercedes for nearly two decades is set to be replaced, however independent testing by Daimler showed it to be flammable. http://www.emercedesbenz.com/autos/mercedes-benz/corporate-news/mercedes-benz-independent-study-finds-new-refrigerant-to-be-dangerous/ http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1086548_mercedes-wins-french-court-ruling-in-r134a-refrigerant-case Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
Last week when I installed the new condenser in The White Whale (R-12 system converted by PO), I charged the system with just one can of R-134, and to my pleasant surprise that was enough pressure for the system to work and blow cool air. Temps here don't really require AC now, so I'll probably leave it alone until next summer. I've got a few cans of one of the hydrocarbon-based refrigerants, need to come up with a plan for installing that. Instructions say it should not be installed into a vacuum, so I need to figure out how this Enviro Safe should be installed. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
The hydrocarbon refrigerants work great and are perfectly safe. I just don't use them anymore because I have both an r12 and a r134 machine. I also have another r12 machine and a dual 12/134 machine I need to sell. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 6, 2014, at 7:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: It would be interesting to know what percentage of vehicles out there still have R12 systems. With the push to convert to R134a over the years as well as the relative ease to do so, I have to believe the total number of cars still using R12 has got to be a pretty small percentage of the total with AC. That being said, with my recent foray into AC on the S500, I found a lot of doom and gloom or overblown warnings against the use of propane based refrigerants. While there has got to be some danger due to flammability, I have to believe the risk is minimal due to the limited volume and the fairly narrow requirements to cause ignition. In the interest of full disclosure, my oldest son's 300E 2.6 still has R12 in it, and I have a can on the shelf. It could probably stand to be topped off, but I don't have a manifold gauge set that will do R12. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 6, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Original Message From: archer75--- via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, October 5, 2014 11:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List; Big snip global cooling which was why the government took away R-12 R-12 was taken off the market because it eroded the ozone layer in the upper atmosphere. It was lauded as a perfect coolant because it is extremely stable. That attribute was it's downfall, because it was so stable, it didn’t degrade until it reached the upper atmosphere (perhaps stratosphere?) where it's molecules were split into their base atoms and the chlorine contained within caused the destruction of the ozone. I'd be more than happy to provide footnotes to back these facts up, but I just don't feel like looking it up right now. How does this relate to Mercedes? Our older, beloved Mercedes use this ozone depleting aerosol as a refrigerant to keep us cool in the summer time and our windshields clear of fog in spring and fall. As R-12 becomes less and less available, an adequate substitute needed to be found. I believe that substitute to be Enviro Safe. It is essentially the Jim Cathey test blend, with a pine scent added to identify any leaks. It is flammable, however I think that the possibility of the car being incinerated like the Mercedes in the movie Arbitrage is slim. (mores Mercedes content) The R-134a that has been used in Mercedes for nearly two decades is set to be replaced, however independent testing by Daimler showed it to be flammable. http://www.emercedesbenz.com/autos/mercedes-benz/corporate-news/mercedes-benz-independent-study-finds-new-refrigerant-to-be-dangerous/ http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1086548_mercedes-wins-french-court-ruling-in-r134a-refrigerant-case Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The White Whale - soon to be sighted in the CHS area again
On Oct 4, 2014 9:06 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Mark Blevins in Columbia SC offers injector cleaning/testing/balancing for $20 per injector; he found that two of the injector bodies were cracked, so I had to source two more used Bummer, sorry about that. If you want your non-inclined injectors back I'm happy to oblige. Glad you are wrapping things up with the car! Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] [ADMIN] List Content
Without dragging this on any further, just let me say that Kalebs method of running a list which assumed that list members were mature adults who could use their delete key if they disliked a submission, and your method which requires that each member must avoid any subject that he guesses might upset another member; are quite different. As far as I knew, the only banned subject was politics, and what I wrote was not about politics; it was about the freedom of communication on the world-wide-web; something that millions of internet users are highly concerned about. As far as this being a Mercedes list we both know anything and everything gets discussed here. In short, am I going to try and censor myself? No. If I submit something which you don't think is suitable for this list, then censor it; I probably won't even notice that you have. If you so desire, remove me from the list; you're the moderator. Gerrywho has been on this list since it was based in Canada. ... Dan Penoff wrote: Gerry, First of all, if you had questions about filtering, you should have addressed them to either myself or Kaleb privately. Attempting to post something you expect to create dissent or of a highly contentious nature to see if there were filters for such issues is simply wrong. Had you bothered to contact myself or Kaleb we would have gladly explained that there are no content filters on this list and to my knowledge there never have been. The list software isn't that smart. Using the list for social experiments is not acceptable. As for rules, while there are few explicitly stated, we have had enough trouble with contentious issues that any list member should have a solid grasp of what is and what isn't acceptable subject matter. If anyone has a question about that, they can address it to myself or Kaleb. As to your concerns about the government's efforts to impose control, it hasn't happened here. Your previous efforts to post such things have failed due to their being addressed incorrectly, and as a result the list software rejected them. I have seen them in the approval queue, and considering the content inappropriate for the list, rejected them. Had you bothered to ask me about this I would have gladly explained. I have neither the time nor inclination to address every rejected submission to the list. If someone's subscription goes awry, that's one thing. Seeing a stream of forwarded messages on an occasional basis does not merit a response. This is not the place for a social experiment. This is a list for Mercedes' enthusiasts. Let's keep it that way, please. Again, if anyone has questions, take it private. Dan Gerry wrote: I posted this to see if there were filters for such issues on the mercedes list. The existence of such filters on Yahoogroups is being investigated by several members of a Yahoogroups list I belong to, and I had hoped to post a failure to deliver notice here in the hopes that some of the computer experts on this list could determine how and/or by whom the message was blocked. The government has proposed laws to control the content of submissions on the internet which are opposed by many, left wing and right wing. It isn't surprising that most members objection to the posting is because of its content rather than the fact that it is not about Mercedes. Personally, I have a wait and see attitude toward global warming; especially since I remember that during the 1970s all the rage was about global cooling which was why the government took away R-12 and have caused us Mercedes owners all sorts of air conditioning troubles. (Mercedes content.) Gerry...an observer, not a partisan or activist. Peter wrote: This is trash promulgated by a non-scientist with a right wing agenda. You should know better than to parrot viral garbage racing around the internet before you do due diligence. .. Actually your vitriolic rant is what is garbage. I am a scientist and am on an email list of many leading scientists who discuss the mis-information behind the climate hysteria, not the least of which is that the climate models are increasingly divergent from what is actually happening. From a posting on that list, -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
Kaleb, Any tips or tricks when adding the hydrocarbon stuff? Did you pull a vacuum prior to putting it in, or top up the system? Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
There you go... global warming issues linked to Mercedes content... Well now.. First social comment . I believe recent studies of the ozone layer have shown the removal of R12 from use has had little effect on the ozone layer, if any. Leading to the likely conclusion that bad science was the cause of bad social engineering by government. End of personal comment; Mercedes content: I just purchased a new Mercedes [to me new] which uses R12. The R12 charge for my new Mercedes is 42 lbs. Thus, I have skin in this game because the system is currently empty and purged, needing refill. It is a Mercedes built Setra bus, 40 ft long, curb weight 44,900 lbs. And no, it can not be converted to 134 easily. It is 1988 manufacture, so it even qualifies as an old Mercedes ... and no Gary.. I doubt you have parts for it.. but if you do.. contact me. I would be keenly interested in constructive experience with alternate and cheaper materials that preform as well as R12. [Custom motor coach, for those interested] Grant... On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 9:55 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Gerry wrote: I posted this to see if there were filters for such issues on the mercedes list. The existence of such filters on Yahoogroups is being investigated by several members of a Yahoogroups list I belong to, and I had hoped to post a failure to deliver notice here in the hopes that some of the computer experts on this list could determine how and/or by whom the message was blocked. The government has proposed laws to control the content of submissions on the internet which are opposed by many, left wing and right wing. It isn't surprising that most members objection to the posting is because of its content rather than the fact that it is not about Mercedes. Personally, I have a wait and see attitude toward global warming; especially since I remember that during the 1970s all the rage was about global cooling which was why the government took away R-12 and have caused us Mercedes owners all sorts of air conditioning troubles. (Mercedes content.) Gerry...an observer, not a partisan or activist. Peter wrote: This is trash promulgated by a non-scientist with a right wing agenda. You should know better than to parrot viral garbage racing around the internet before you do due diligence. .. Actually your vitriolic rant is what is garbage. I am a scientist and am on an email list of many leading scientists who discuss the mis-information behind the climate hysteria, not the least of which is that the climate models are increasingly divergent from what is actually happening. From a posting on that list, -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel
Its fun to tell non-believers about a long trip in an older car. Tell 'em it takes a few years to rack up the million miles or so they are capable of. Only so many driving hours in a day... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
The R12 charge for my new Mercedes is 42 lbs. Thus, I have skin in this game because the system is currently empty and purged, needing refill. This system sounds like it needs thorough testing before you subject the world to a potential leak of that magnitude! :-) I believe a decade or so is a long enough test. That quantity would be not so easy to come up with, probably a commercial HC refrigerant source would be more practical, you could get it in those BBQ-tank sized containers. I think the R290/R600a combination works pretty well. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
That's what nitrogen is good for. Pull it down with a vacuum, charge it to 200 PSI with nitrogen, then see if it leaks down. Dye would be handy here, too. Are you sure it's 42 pounds? That seems like a lot. I would suspect that 42 pounds of R13 would cost a small fortune, however, I don't think I would want 42 pounds of propane in my vehicle, either... Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 6, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The R12 charge for my new Mercedes is 42 lbs. Thus, I have skin in this game because the system is currently empty and purged, needing refill. This system sounds like it needs thorough testing before you subject the world to a potential leak of that magnitude! :-) I believe a decade or so is a long enough test. That quantity would be not so easy to come up with, probably a commercial HC refrigerant source would be more practical, you could get it in those BBQ-tank sized containers. I think the R290/R600a combination works pretty well. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
Wasn't there some concern that the BBQ tank gas weren't dry enough for this kind of job? I'd presume a 42 lb system would have a pretty dammed significant dryer though. You want to talk chance of fire, I'm not sure how excited I'd be to drive around with 10+ gallons of high pressure hydrocarbons but R134a burns pretty good so I guess it can't be that big a deal... -Curt From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134 The R12 charge for my new Mercedes is 42 lbs. Thus, I have skin in this game because the system is currently empty and purged, needing refill. This system sounds like it needs thorough testing before you subject the world to a potential leak of that magnitude! :-) I believe a decade or so is a long enough test. That quantity would be not so easy to come up with, probably a commercial HC refrigerant source would be more practical, you could get it in those BBQ-tank sized containers. I think the R290/R600a combination works pretty well. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
Current quotes on 42 lbs. of R12 are running in the $3000+ range.. so.. I like your comment of charging the system with nitrogen first. The vehicle came with a full set of huge AC vac pumps and filters to charge the system.. package deal. And yes, I did both a double take.. and a double check.. it really does hold 42 lbs.. Ouch... Go big or Go home.. hahah... On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 7:30 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Wasn't there some concern that the BBQ tank gas weren't dry enough for this kind of job? I'd presume a 42 lb system would have a pretty dammed significant dryer though. You want to talk chance of fire, I'm not sure how excited I'd be to drive around with 10+ gallons of high pressure hydrocarbons but R134a burns pretty good so I guess it can't be that big a deal... -Curt From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134 The R12 charge for my new Mercedes is 42 lbs. Thus, I have skin in this game because the system is currently empty and purged, needing refill. This system sounds like it needs thorough testing before you subject the world to a potential leak of that magnitude! :-) I believe a decade or so is a long enough test. That quantity would be not so easy to come up with, probably a commercial HC refrigerant source would be more practical, you could get it in those BBQ-tank sized containers. I think the R290/R600a combination works pretty well. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
I think you missed Mr. Cathey's sarcasm. :) Some of the big capacity must be for bringing the system to the front of a motor coach, those lines are long. Still 42# seems like a lot, 42oz would be almost 3#, 42# is around 10 gallons of propane... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134 That's what nitrogen is good for. Pull it down with a vacuum, charge it to 200 PSI with nitrogen, then see if it leaks down. Dye would be handy here, too. Are you sure it's 42 pounds? That seems like a lot. I would suspect that 42 pounds of R13 would cost a small fortune, however, I don't think I would want 42 pounds of propane in my vehicle, either... Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 6, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The R12 charge for my new Mercedes is 42 lbs. Thus, I have skin in this game because the system is currently empty and purged, needing refill. This system sounds like it needs thorough testing before you subject the world to a potential leak of that magnitude! :-) I believe a decade or so is a long enough test. That quantity would be not so easy to come up with, probably a commercial HC refrigerant source would be more practical, you could get it in those BBQ-tank sized containers. I think the R290/R600a combination works pretty well. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
All sarcasm accepted... I've certainly taken some lately for taking on this project... ;))) If you truly want to find out who your friends are.. buy a 40ft. Mercedes motor coach and ask them to help you work on it.. hahaha.. Oil thread anyone.. it holds 28 quarts.. Coolant.. 33 gallons .. Transmission... 8 gallons.. you get the picture... it's big.. Grant... On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I think you missed Mr. Cathey's sarcasm. :) Some of the big capacity must be for bringing the system to the front of a motor coach, those lines are long. Still 42# seems like a lot, 42oz would be almost 3#, 42# is around 10 gallons of propane... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134 That's what nitrogen is good for. Pull it down with a vacuum, charge it to 200 PSI with nitrogen, then see if it leaks down. Dye would be handy here, too. Are you sure it's 42 pounds? That seems like a lot. I would suspect that 42 pounds of R13 would cost a small fortune, however, I don't think I would want 42 pounds of propane in my vehicle, either... Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 6, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The R12 charge for my new Mercedes is 42 lbs. Thus, I have skin in this game because the system is currently empty and purged, needing refill. This system sounds like it needs thorough testing before you subject the world to a potential leak of that magnitude! :-) I believe a decade or so is a long enough test. That quantity would be not so easy to come up with, probably a commercial HC refrigerant source would be more practical, you could get it in those BBQ-tank sized containers. I think the R290/R600a combination works pretty well. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
So enquiring minds what to know, how big an engine? I'm going to guess 10l diesel pusher. Pictures, the snowmobile guys always say Indy loves pics! -Curt From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134 All sarcasm accepted... I've certainly taken some lately for taking on this project... ;))) If you truly want to find out who your friends are.. buy a 40ft. Mercedes motor coach and ask them to help you work on it.. hahaha.. Oil thread anyone.. it holds 28 quarts.. Coolant.. 33 gallons .. Transmission... 8 gallons.. you get the picture... it's big.. Grant... On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I think you missed Mr. Cathey's sarcasm. :) Some of the big capacity must be for bringing the system to the front of a motor coach, those lines are long. Still 42# seems like a lot, 42oz would be almost 3#, 42# is around 10 gallons of propane... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134 That's what nitrogen is good for. Pull it down with a vacuum, charge it to 200 PSI with nitrogen, then see if it leaks down. Dye would be handy here, too. Are you sure it's 42 pounds? That seems like a lot. I would suspect that 42 pounds of R13 would cost a small fortune, however, I don't think I would want 42 pounds of propane in my vehicle, either... Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 6, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The R12 charge for my new Mercedes is 42 lbs. Thus, I have skin in this game because the system is currently empty and purged, needing refill. This system sounds like it needs thorough testing before you subject the world to a potential leak of that magnitude! :-) I believe a decade or so is a long enough test. That quantity would be not so easy to come up with, probably a commercial HC refrigerant source would be more practical, you could get it in those BBQ-tank sized containers. I think the R290/R600a combination works pretty well. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 07:13:58 -0700 Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Its fun to tell non-believers about a long trip in an older car. Tell 'em it takes a few years to rack up the million miles or so they are capable of. Only so many driving hours in a day... At 50 mph, 24x7x365 that would be only 2 years, 3 months, 12 days, 2 hours, 1 minute, 54.4 seconds! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
That's what I would figure. It's all in the lines just to traverse the coach. That's a lot of volume. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 6, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I think you missed Mr. Cathey's sarcasm. :) Some of the big capacity must be for bringing the system to the front of a motor coach, those lines are long. Still 42# seems like a lot, 42oz would be almost 3#, 42# is around 10 gallons of propane... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134 That's what nitrogen is good for. Pull it down with a vacuum, charge it to 200 PSI with nitrogen, then see if it leaks down. Dye would be handy here, too. Are you sure it's 42 pounds? That seems like a lot. I would suspect that 42 pounds of R13 would cost a small fortune, however, I don't think I would want 42 pounds of propane in my vehicle, either... Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 6, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The R12 charge for my new Mercedes is 42 lbs. Thus, I have skin in this game because the system is currently empty and purged, needing refill. This system sounds like it needs thorough testing before you subject the world to a potential leak of that magnitude! :-) I believe a decade or so is a long enough test. That quantity would be not so easy to come up with, probably a commercial HC refrigerant source would be more practical, you could get it in those BBQ-tank sized containers. I think the R290/R600a combination works pretty well. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel
Would have to figure out an in flight refueling system (for both car and crew), dual controls to make crew rotation easier, waste disposal, and probably a dry sump engine design to facilitate oil changes, using a dual tank design so the off-duty tank of old oil could be emptied and refilled with fresh oil. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Oct 6, 2014 11:01 AM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: At 50 mph, 24x7x365 that would be only 2 years, 3 months, 12 days, 2 hours, 1 minute, 54.4 seconds! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel
In '98 I did a 6000 mile summer trip in my 1980 300D. I also took my '77 240D on a 3100 mile summer jaunt in '08 or '09. People thought I was nuts each time. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] [ADMIN] List Content
There is no censoring on this list. If a user isn't moderated their posts go right to the list. I totally agree with the we are all adults here, however, it was clear from the beginning that people were getting riled up on the subject. While we do a fairly good job of moderating ourselves, I stepped in in order to prevent this from going totally in the tank. I would rather err on the side of caution than have the list degrade into a verbal free for all. Along these lines, I received many private messages expressing concern about the thread within minutes of it posting, which tells me the issue is contentious. Dan, who was one of the original members of the mbz.org lists and a founding member of the Ritter list Sent from my iPad On Oct 6, 2014, at 8:53 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Without dragging this on any further, just let me say that Kalebs method of running a list which assumed that list members were mature adults who could use their delete key if they disliked a submission, and your method which requires that each member must avoid any subject that he guesses might upset another member; are quite different. As far as I knew, the only banned subject was politics, and what I wrote was not about politics; it was about the freedom of communication on the world-wide-web; something that millions of internet users are highly concerned about. As far as this being a Mercedes list we both know anything and everything gets discussed here. In short, am I going to try and censor myself? No. If I submit something which you don't think is suitable for this list, then censor it; I probably won't even notice that you have. If you so desire, remove me from the list; you're the moderator. Gerrywho has been on this list since it was based in Canada. ... Dan Penoff wrote: Gerry, First of all, if you had questions about filtering, you should have addressed them to either myself or Kaleb privately. Attempting to post something you expect to create dissent or of a highly contentious nature to see if there were filters for such issues is simply wrong. Had you bothered to contact myself or Kaleb we would have gladly explained that there are no content filters on this list and to my knowledge there never have been. The list software isn't that smart. Using the list for social experiments is not acceptable. As for rules, while there are few explicitly stated, we have had enough trouble with contentious issues that any list member should have a solid grasp of what is and what isn't acceptable subject matter. If anyone has a question about that, they can address it to myself or Kaleb. As to your concerns about the government's efforts to impose control, it hasn't happened here. Your previous efforts to post such things have failed due to their being addressed incorrectly, and as a result the list software rejected them. I have seen them in the approval queue, and considering the content inappropriate for the list, rejected them. Had you bothered to ask me about this I would have gladly explained. I have neither the time nor inclination to address every rejected submission to the list. If someone's subscription goes awry, that's one thing. Seeing a stream of forwarded messages on an occasional basis does not merit a response. This is not the place for a social experiment. This is a list for Mercedes' enthusiasts. Let's keep it that way, please. Again, if anyone has questions, take it private. Dan Gerry wrote: I posted this to see if there were filters for such issues on the mercedes list. The existence of such filters on Yahoogroups is being investigated by several members of a Yahoogroups list I belong to, and I had hoped to post a failure to deliver notice here in the hopes that some of the computer experts on this list could determine how and/or by whom the message was blocked. The government has proposed laws to control the content of submissions on the internet which are opposed by many, left wing and right wing. It isn't surprising that most members objection to the posting is because of its content rather than the fact that it is not about Mercedes. Personally, I have a wait and see attitude toward global warming; especially since I remember that during the 1970s all the rage was about global cooling which was why the government took away R-12 and have caused us Mercedes owners all sorts of air conditioning troubles. (Mercedes content.) Gerry...an observer, not a partisan or activist. Peter wrote: This is trash promulgated by a non-scientist with a right wing agenda. You should know better than to parrot viral garbage racing around the internet before you do due diligence. .. Actually your vitriolic rant is what is garbage. I am a scientist and am on an email list of many leading scientists
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
pics of the beast plzz -- On 10/6/14 10:47 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: All sarcasm accepted... I've certainly taken some lately for taking on this project... ;))) If you truly want to find out who your friends are.. buy a 40ft. Mercedes motor coach and ask them to help you work on it.. hahaha.. Oil thread anyone.. it holds 28 quarts.. Coolant.. 33 gallons .. Transmission... 8 gallons.. you get the picture... it's big.. Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel
I did a run from San Francisco to Tampa in 1998 in my 300SD, a couple of days running almost non-stop for probably 15 hours or more. The car never missed a beat. I would do the same in any of my current cars, even though they are vergassers. Two of them have over 266k on them. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 6, 2014, at 11:17 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: In '98 I did a 6000 mile summer trip in my 1980 300D. I also took my '77 240D on a 3100 mile summer jaunt in '08 or '09. People thought I was nuts each time. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel
In '98 I did a 6000 mile summer trip in my 1980 300D. I also took my '77 240D on a 3100 mile summer jaunt in '08 or '09. People thought I was nuts each time. Expect to see that attitude get worse. I believe we've already experienced the service longevity peak, and that the mileage expectation of our national fleet will go _down_ from here. More complex application-specific parts will be to blame. Once the official line of spares is exhausted, these vehicles will be rendered permanently hors du combat. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel
Really? I figure any junk asian car you buy today to last 200,000 miles at LEAST. The rust prevention is better and the electronics are all vastly more robust even if they are black box type. Purportedly the average age of today's fleet is 11 years. Looking just at Toyota Tundra pickups I'd believe it, they changed body styles in 2007 and there are a ton of the older ones around. -Curt From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel In '98 I did a 6000 mile summer trip in my 1980 300D. I also took my '77 240D on a 3100 mile summer jaunt in '08 or '09. People thought I was nuts each time. Expect to see that attitude get worse. I believe we've already experienced the service longevity peak, and that the mileage expectation of our national fleet will go _down_ from here. More complex application-specific parts will be to blame. Once the official line of spares is exhausted, these vehicles will be rendered permanently hors du combat. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT: CB Radios
Does anyone still use CB radios anymore? I was thinking about our planned caravan to Indiana with three vehicles (me driving our Big Red Van [BRV (tm)] towing our utility trailer, Shirley driving our E320, and my brother driving a rental truck towing our 240D/3.0), and realized that cell phones wouldn't work too well. It occurred to me that CB radios would be better, allowing the two other people to hear what one was saying. I have located three CB radios, four* from our local freecycle group for free and one from a $10 eBay auction, but I don't know if they work because I don't have any antennas. Any suggestions on antennas? Thanks, Craig * two of the four are the crystal-controlled handi-talkie type, being a battery-powered box about 5x5x16 with a whip antenna that pulls out of the top -- definitely unsuitable for use in a vehicle. Anybody want one? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Someone in IL needs this 116
They were never badged as 450SE L 6,9. Just 6.9 on lower right corner of trunk lid, sometimes with 450 SE L as well on the left corner -- Sent from myMail app for Android Saturday, 04 October 2014, 04:56PM -0400 from Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com: Exactly. The car is a 450SEL (long wheel base W116) with a 6.9L instead of a 4.5L V8. This is standard MB badging -- if the W116 had originally had the 6.9 as designed, it would be badged as a 690SEL. Fat chance on that, there was a very substantial difference in price point, that 6.9L is VERY expensive. Obviously there are other diffrerences, but MB names the car line by the original engine size (4.5L = 450, etc) as a rule, then later modifications will get a badge on the right side. Hence a 300D 2.5 Turbodiesel for the 5 cylinder 2.5L turbocharged engine in the W124 chassis, which originally had the 3.0L OM603 instead of the 2.5L OM602. Just how MB names cars. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: CB Radios
Just buy some of those little hand-held radios, they are cheap and some have quite good range, certainly enough for car-car. Then you don't have the hassle of installs and all that. I have seen them at El Mercado de Wal and outdoor/sports shops. --R On 10/6/14 11:47 AM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: Does anyone still use CB radios anymore? I was thinking about our planned caravan to Indiana with three vehicles (me driving our Big Red Van [BRV (tm)] towing our utility trailer, Shirley driving our E320, and my brother driving a rental truck towing our 240D/3.0), and realized that cell phones wouldn't work too well. It occurred to me that CB radios would be better, allowing the two other people to hear what one was saying. I have located three CB radios, four* from our local freecycle group for free and one from a $10 eBay auction, but I don't know if they work because I don't have any antennas. Any suggestions on antennas? Thanks, Craig * two of the four are the crystal-controlled handi-talkie type, being a battery-powered box about 5x5x16 with a whip antenna that pulls out of the top -- definitely unsuitable for use in a vehicle. Anybody want one? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] new fix on new/old TD
I bought a 78 SL C for cheap that had several broken linkage bushings. Very poky- top speed was 45 mph IIRC. .. -- Sent from myMail app for Android Monday, 06 October 2014, 07:34AM -0400 from MG via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com: Having that linkage break while driving would not be my favorite thing in the world. That sounds like a very nice emergency fix. I hope to remember it if I ever need it. Manfred Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 12:17:40 -0500 From: M. Mitchell Marmel marme...@gmail.com Had fun for about an hour this morning. I fixed the accelerator linkage on the firewall of the red TD. Had that happen on a 450SEL-on the side of the interstate! No good atall. Wound up sticking in a small socket in lieu of the bushing, which held me until I got home and could order a replacement... -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: CB Radios
Does anyone still use CB radios anymore? We do, when caravanning. I acquired (via thrift shop over time) four Uniden 510XL (?) and magnetic antennae. They're a bit large and clunky, but they work well and have good range, and are loud enough that the whole car can hear. Cigarette lighter power, no batteries to feed. And _nobody_ is going to want to steal them. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] new fix on new/old TD
On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 20:08:20 +0400 astrasfogel--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I bought a 78 SL C for cheap that had several broken linkage bushings. ^ | Why the space? --| I've noticed it on other emails, too. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: CB Radios
On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 11:57:03 -0400 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Just buy some of those little hand-held radios, they are cheap and some have quite good range, certainly enough for car-car. Then you don't have the hassle of installs and all that. I have seen them at El Mercado de Wal and outdoor/sports shops. GMRS requires a license unless you want to be a Bubble Bandit. FMRS doesn't require a license. Is there any benefit from contact with truckers (road conditions, et al.) that CB radio would afford? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] [ADMIN] List Content (Dan Penoff)
I've been away for a few years, so am wondering what ever happened to the Ritter/Easley List? AST CL500 300E From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] [ADMIN] List Content Date: October 6, 2014 8:16:24 AM PDT To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com snip Dan, who was one of the original members of the mbz.org lists and a founding member of the Ritter list ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] new fix on new/old TD
Must be your end Craig, Andrew's emails look fine too me. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: CB Radios
Yes, the truckers call out all the speed traps, accidents, construction, etc. Also, if one is hogging the left lane and taking ten minutes to pass another truck going just .5 mph slower, you can mimic as another truck and request him or her to hurry it up and let you by. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] We are ***!!
Dan wrote: I totally agree with the we are all adults here Thanks, mom - but ***-off. If we are adults here, let us kill each other. I agree with Gerry - ban me also, if you will. ma ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] new fix on new/old TD
I'm seeing it too, rando m s paces when Andrew writes SL C. -Curt From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com; Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] new fix on new/old TD Must be your end Craig, Andrew's emails look fine too me. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] We are ***!!
Don't we have a list for that kind of behavior? Go play games over there. -Curt Who has refrained from talking about the metalwork he did yesterday on the Jetta to keep things on topic. From: Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 1:03 PM Subject: [MBZ] We are ***!! Dan wrote: I totally agree with the we are all adults here Thanks, mom - but ***-off. If we are adults here, let us kill each other. I agree with Gerry - ban me also, if you will. ma ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: CB Radios
I have heard some great jokes on the CB, late at night, from truckers out in the middle of nowhere. Of course, they might not be Approved for All Audiences... --R On 10/6/14 1:01 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Yes, the truckers call out all the speed traps, accidents, construction, etc. Also, if one is hogging the left lane and taking ten minutes to pass another truck going just .5 mph slower, you can mimic as another truck and request him or her to hurry it up and let you by. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: CB Radios
I remember taking a bus trip to Virginia in High School, the bus driver listened to the CB all the way down. I remember hearing the truckers sing some very bawdy songs... -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: CB Radios I have heard some great jokes on the CB, late at night, from truckers out in the middle of nowhere. Of course, they might not be Approved for All Audiences... --R On 10/6/14 1:01 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Yes, the truckers call out all the speed traps, accidents, construction, etc. Also, if one is hogging the left lane and taking ten minutes to pass another truck going just .5 mph slower, you can mimic as another truck and request him or her to hurry it up and let you by. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134 Original Message From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 7:54 AM To: Mercedes Reply To: Meade Dillon Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134 Any tips or tricks when adding the hydrocarbon stuff? Did you pull a vacuum prior to putting it in, or top up the system? No vacuum, or very light vacuum. Dry system. Invert the can. It flashes off into a gas the instant it enters the system, so there is no chance of the compressor getting a slug of liquid refrigerant. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] *** New Issue - Help!***2004 E320 4Matic- ABS ESP Malfunction Question
I haven't has time to pull the wheels and clean the sensors. Running the car for 250 miles didn't clear up the issue either. I read that a low battery might have caused the issue so I am going to test the battery and alternator tonight. I am at work and was advised that my car had a muffled alarm noise coming from under the hood. When I checked there was a low alarm noise (varying in pitch, intensity and duration) coming from under the hood around the fuse box but I couldn't pin point it. It was sporadic and happened when the car was both off and with the engine running. Suddenly it stopped about an hour ago. Any ideas on what this could be? Related to the ABS/ESP malfunctions? Battery issue? Where is the alarm siren located? Thanks in advance. Bob -Original Message- From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, Sep 30, 2014 7:03 am Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2004 E320 4Matic- ABS ESP Malfunction Question If the wheel sensors are cruddy and you clean them up, yes, the system will reset itself and clear the codes after driving for a bit. Dan On Sep 30, 2014, at 5:45 AM, Robert Koziak rkmerce...@aol.com wrote: Any ideas how to reset the warning light and warning messages after I clean the sensors? Will correcting the issue automatically reset the warnings? -Original Message- From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, Sep 29, 2014 6:42 pm Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2004 E320 4Matic- ABS ESP Malfunction Question I would start by pulling a wheel or two and checking the wheel sensors to make sure there's nothing crudding them up. Dan On Sep 29, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Robert Koziak via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Hi Guys, I have a 2004 E320 4Matic (87K) that I stored in my garage for the last 5 months attached to a trickle charger. I decided to take it out for a ride today. Almost immediately the ABS and ESP warning came on in the console along with the amber abs light. I drove it for a mile and the the brakes appeared normal but I parked it anyway. The car was running great when I stored it. Any ideas on what to check first? Could the 5 month storage have caused the issue? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Bob K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] freon 12
Folks i swear by R12 i love it in my 300td here's some on ebay http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?clk_rvr_id=709025282435_from=R40_sacat=0LH_BIN=1_nkw=freon+12+30+lbs_sop=15 there is usually a lot of it on craigslist here's some for $15 per pound in atlanta http://atlanta.craigslist.org/sat/tls/4698960276.html thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 12:41:22 -0500 Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Any tips or tricks when adding the hydrocarbon stuff? Did you pull a vacuum prior to putting it in, or top up the system? No vacuum, or very light vacuum. Dry system. Invert the can. It flashes off into a gas the instant it enters the system, so there is no chance of the compressor getting a slug of liquid refrigerant. Could one not add (part of) a can to a system with a hard (well, as hard as you can get on an A/C system) vacuum with the engine off? That way when starting the engine and the A/C compressor, it wouldn't be a vacuum, but no air and moisture would have been introduced into the system. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
Original Message From: Craig via Mercedes Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 12:56 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Craig Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134 On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 12:41:22 -0500 Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Any tips or tricks when adding the hydrocarbon stuff? Did you pull a vacuum prior to putting it in, or top up the system? No vacuum, or very light vacuum. Dry system. Invert the can. It flashes off into a gas the instant it enters the system, so there is no chance of the compressor getting a slug of liquid refrigerant. Could one not add (part of) a can to a system with a hard (well, as hard as you can get on an A/C system) vacuum with the engine off? That way when starting the engine and the A/C compressor, it wouldn't be a vacuum, but no air and moisture would have been introduced into the system. I would assume so. I will ask the guy at Enviro-Safe via email this evening. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] a better deal R-12
this is a deal http://nwga.craigslist.org/mat/4663010816.html but 90 miles away, more or less thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: CB Radios
Craig wrote: Does anyone still use CB radios anymore? Yeah - I have a CB radios - and use em. Rich wrote: Just buy some of those little hand-held radios, they are cheap and some have quite good range, certainly enough for car-car. Those little FRS radios work, but are a pain because they aren't loud enough and the range is crummy with the tiny antenna inside the car. You can be out of range before the car is out of sight. Craig wrote: Any suggestions on antennas? There are magnet mount antennas that are quick and easy to install. With CB, 1/4 wave is _long_ (11 meter wavelength) so in general a longer antenna is a better one. But with magnet mount, too long means it's prone to wind un-mounting. *smiles* Wilson makes good antennas, if you are wanting to invest. http://www.amazon.com/WILSON-305-38-300-Watt-Little-Antenna/dp/B001AAT94W/ For short term, one trip I'd just get something that isn't expensive. http://www.amazon.com/Midland-18-2442-Mobile-CB-Antenna/dp/BATNH3/ www.amazon.com/Cobra-HG-Base-Load-Small-Antenna/dp/B5N5X1/ Be aware the rental truck _may_ have a fiberglass (or other non-metallic material) body that a magnet won't stick to nor will act as a ground plane for the antenna. There are balanced antennas, often called no ground plane antennas available - but that doesn't help with the mounting. Is there any benefit from contact with truckers (road conditions, et al.) that CB radio would afford? Maybe. Almost every big truck has a radio. In the last few years, most of those seem to be turned off. It's becoming rare to find a driver with his radio on. But if there is trouble (congestion, lane closed, etc) the band becomes active. Finding out which lane is close, or how long the backup, etc can be handy. Channel 19 is the the highway channel pretty much everywhere except the west coast. A agree with Jim that the Uniden 510 is a good radio. It's one of my favorite small-form CBs. It's big brother the 520 has more control, but is hard to find. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] *** New Issue - Help!***2004 E320 4Matic- ABS ESP Malfunction Question
Charge the battery and see if that helps, could all be related... -Curt From: Robert Koziak via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: d...@penoff.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] *** New Issue - Help!***2004 E320 4Matic- ABS ESP Malfunction Question I haven't has time to pull the wheels and clean the sensors. Running the car for 250 miles didn't clear up the issue either. I read that a low battery might have caused the issue so I am going to test the battery and alternator tonight. I am at work and was advised that my car had a muffled alarm noise coming from under the hood. When I checked there was a low alarm noise (varying in pitch, intensity and duration) coming from under the hood around the fuse box but I couldn't pin point it. It was sporadic and happened when the car was both off and with the engine running. Suddenly it stopped about an hour ago. Any ideas on what this could be? Related to the ABS/ESP malfunctions? Battery issue? Where is the alarm siren located? Thanks in advance. Bob -Original Message- From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, Sep 30, 2014 7:03 am Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2004 E320 4Matic- ABS ESP Malfunction Question If the wheel sensors are cruddy and you clean them up, yes, the system will reset itself and clear the codes after driving for a bit. Dan On Sep 30, 2014, at 5:45 AM, Robert Koziak rkmerce...@aol.com wrote: Any ideas how to reset the warning light and warning messages after I clean the sensors? Will correcting the issue automatically reset the warnings? -Original Message- From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, Sep 29, 2014 6:42 pm Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2004 E320 4Matic- ABS ESP Malfunction Question I would start by pulling a wheel or two and checking the wheel sensors to make sure there's nothing crudding them up. Dan On Sep 29, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Robert Koziak via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Hi Guys, I have a 2004 E320 4Matic (87K) that I stored in my garage for the last 5 months attached to a trickle charger. I decided to take it out for a ride today. Almost immediately the ABS and ESP warning came on in the console along with the amber abs light. I drove it for a mile and the the brakes appeared normal but I parked it anyway. The car was running great when I stored it. Any ideas on what to check first? Could the 5 month storage have caused the issue? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Bob K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the
Re: [MBZ] freon 12
It has been my experience with the W124 chassis cars that converting to R134a results in pretty poor performance. At least in this part of the world. Anyone know what a parallel flow condenser is? The wife's 2005 Mazda 6 has one. No sight glass, either, so I'm not sure how you can tell how much of a charge it has. She complains that it starts blowing warm at idle, at a stop light, for example. Pressures aren't bad, but I don't want to overcharge it. Condenser is clean and the fans is blowing, so I don't think that's the problem. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 6, 2014, at 1:53 PM, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Folks i swear by R12 i love it in my 300td here's some on ebay http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?clk_rvr_id=709025282435_from=R40_sacat=0LH_BIN=1_nkw=freon+12+30+lbs_sop=15 there is usually a lot of it on craigslist here's some for $15 per pound in atlanta http://atlanta.craigslist.org/sat/tls/4698960276.html thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] *** New Issue - Help!***2004 E320 4Matic- ABS ESP Malfunction Question
Agreed. Low batteries and/or battery voltage wreaks havoc in the W140s and R126s. Being that they're the same vintage as your car, I'm suspecting the same. Be sure to have the battery load tested, as that can reveal things like a bad cell. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 6, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Charge the battery and see if that helps, could all be related... -Curt From: Robert Koziak via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: d...@penoff.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] *** New Issue - Help!***2004 E320 4Matic- ABS ESP Malfunction Question I haven't has time to pull the wheels and clean the sensors. Running the car for 250 miles didn't clear up the issue either. I read that a low battery might have caused the issue so I am going to test the battery and alternator tonight. I am at work and was advised that my car had a muffled alarm noise coming from under the hood. When I checked there was a low alarm noise (varying in pitch, intensity and duration) coming from under the hood around the fuse box but I couldn't pin point it. It was sporadic and happened when the car was both off and with the engine running. Suddenly it stopped about an hour ago. Any ideas on what this could be? Related to the ABS/ESP malfunctions? Battery issue? Where is the alarm siren located? Thanks in advance. Bob -Original Message- From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, Sep 30, 2014 7:03 am Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2004 E320 4Matic- ABS ESP Malfunction Question If the wheel sensors are cruddy and you clean them up, yes, the system will reset itself and clear the codes after driving for a bit. Dan On Sep 30, 2014, at 5:45 AM, Robert Koziak rkmerce...@aol.com wrote: Any ideas how to reset the warning light and warning messages after I clean ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel
My old car now is an '05 E320 with 160K on the clock. SWMBO was driving it 65 miles a day round trip all surface streets to work. I drove it for the first time in about 4 months last week. I could feel the transmission mounts failing. Going to go to the indy about an hour to get transmission mounts, motor mounts, transmission service, correct the seepage where the electrical connection hooks into the transmission, and get the oil changed. SWMBO just took a job 2.5 miles from our house. So, I think I'll drive the E320 the 85 rt a day and let her drive the CLK to work That will save me some sweet moolah on those damn expensive tires. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel
Speaking of Asian cars, I think my favorite Asian car bar none is the first generation Acura legends. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel
I have a set of stock alloys from a 2003 SL that are waiting to go on my 97 SL500. They're staggered 18 wheels, 8 in the front and 9 in the back. I've been pricing a matched set of tires for them and the prices are enough to make me choke. I'll easily have $1000 or more in tires alone when I put them into service. Ouch! Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 6, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: My old car now is an '05 E320 with 160K on the clock. SWMBO was driving it 65 miles a day round trip all surface streets to work. I drove it for the first time in about 4 months last week. I could feel the transmission mounts failing. Going to go to the indy about an hour to get transmission mounts, motor mounts, transmission service, correct the seepage where the electrical connection hooks into the transmission, and get the oil changed. SWMBO just took a job 2.5 miles from our house. So, I think I'll drive the E320 the 85 rt a day and let her drive the CLK to work That will save me some sweet moolah on those damn expensive tires. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
Ok! Never mind my other email. Sounds like one should first pressurize the system with dry nitrogen to test for leaks, bleed that off, then fill with ES. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Oct 6, 2014 1:41 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134 Original Message From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 7:54 AM To: Mercedes Reply To: Meade Dillon Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134 Any tips or tricks when adding the hydrocarbon stuff? Did you pull a vacuum prior to putting it in, or top up the system? No vacuum, or very light vacuum. Dry system. Invert the can. It flashes off into a gas the instant it enters the system, so there is no chance of the compressor getting a slug of liquid refrigerant. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] a better deal R-12
Risky. 3/4 full of what? I guess the price reflects the risk. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Convoy
Does anyone still use CB radios anymore? I was thinking about our planned caravan to Indiana with three vehicles (me driving our Big Red Van [BRV (tm)] towing our utility trailer, Shirley driving our E320, and my brother driving a rental truck towing our 240D/3.0), and realized that cell phones wouldn't work too well. It occurred to me that CB radios would be better, allowing the two other people to hear what one was saying. I have located three CB radios, four* from our local freecycle group for free and one from a $10 eBay auction, but I don't know if they work because I don't have any antennas. Any suggestions on antennas? Thanks, Craig *** You are overthinking it. Todd and i used to go on road trips using a pair of hand held walkies. They don't have the legs CB's do, but if you don't get separated by more than a few miles, they work just fine. Bring an extra set of AA batteries to refresh, and you are good to go. Turn 'em off every time you pull off for a gas or pee break. PLus, they are newly manufactured stock, cheap ($30+ for a pair -- get the highest rated wattage output you can find for a reasonable price), and you don't have to worry about electronics from the Jimmy Carter administration. DBV, we got ourselves a convoy information minister ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel
On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 14:45:02 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I have a set of stock alloys from a 2003 SL that are waiting to go on my 97 SL500. They're staggered 18 wheels, 8 in the front and 9 in the back. I've been pricing a matched set of tires for them and the prices are enough to make me choke. I'll easily have $1000 or more in tires alone when I put them into service. Ouch! Ouch, indeed!!! I guess I won't complain about tires in the $400 ballpark ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Convoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3VN54M1OXA --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] TD
Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: My father had an '83 240D automatic that I drove on a trip once, and it seemed just fine to me. A little slow off the line, but once you got rolling it was a pleasure. It must have been an unusual example, as I've driven a couple others since then, and they were not nearly as fast. How old were the others? The OM616/617 got bigger cam lobes for 1980 model year, so much bigger that they had to enlarge the cam bearing journals. So a perfectly running '83 should outrun a perfectly running '79. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] We are ***!!
It is not so much topic as tone. Banned might be an option for some of these conversations. YMMV On Oct 6, 2014 1:08 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Don't we have a list for that kind of behavior? Go play games over there. -Curt Who has refrained from talking about the metalwork he did yesterday on the Jetta to keep things on topic. From: Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 1:03 PM Subject: [MBZ] We are ***!! Dan wrote: I totally agree with the we are all adults here Thanks, mom - but ***-off. If we are adults here, let us kill each other. I agree with Gerry - ban me also, if you will. ma ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Surgery [was: Re: R-12 versus R-134]
Craig via Mercedes wrote: P.S. I didn't experience the old saw with my neck surgery because I was on an on-demand morphine drip -- too far tripped out to notice or care! The nurse forced two Hydrocodone/Acetaminophen on me an hour and a half after I woke up. Is this like Tylenol 3? It's a lot stronger Let's start with one then You get two I never noticed ANY difference from taking that stuff. It hurt before she gave it to me, it hurt the same after. And there I was thinking that with Laparoscopy I wouldn't have much post-surgery pain. Even the little incision hurts like crazy when I stand totally erect which puts a little tension on it. Right now, just sitting here, the repaired hernia is what hurts. Slightly more than the hernia itself ever did without the narcotics. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: CB Radios
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 09:23:00 -0700 Jim Cathey jim.cathey...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone still use CB radios anymore? We do, when caravanning. I acquired (via thrift shop over time) four Uniden 510XL (?) and magnetic antennae. They're a bit large and clunky, but they work well and have good range, and are loud enough that the whole car can hear. Cigarette lighter power, no batteries to feed. And _nobody_ is going to want to steal them. We now have: a Royce whatever-it-is (from freecycle) a President Washington AM/SSB base station (from freecycle) a Cobra 19 DXII ($9.99 + shipping from ebay) I don't know how desirable they will be to someone snooping. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Surgery [was: Re: R-12 versus R-134]
You have to stay ahead of the pain. Follow the doc's orders as to how often and how much. If you don't take the meds the pain will get a LOT worse then you will be playing catch-up which is not pleasant. --R On 10/6/14 4:37 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: Craig via Mercedes wrote: P.S. I didn't experience the old saw with my neck surgery because I was on an on-demand morphine drip -- too far tripped out to notice or care! The nurse forced two Hydrocodone/Acetaminophen on me an hour and a half after I woke up. Is this like Tylenol 3? It's a lot stronger Let's start with one then You get two I never noticed ANY difference from taking that stuff. It hurt before she gave it to me, it hurt the same after. And there I was thinking that with Laparoscopy I wouldn't have much post-surgery pain. Even the little incision hurts like crazy when I stand totally erect which puts a little tension on it. Right now, just sitting here, the repaired hernia is what hurts. Slightly more than the hernia itself ever did without the narcotics. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Surgery [was: Re: R-12 versus R-134]
On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 16:48:29 -0400 Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You have to stay ahead of the pain. Follow the doc's orders as to how often and how much. If you don't take the meds the pain will get a LOT worse then you will be playing catch-up which is not pleasant. Yes, what he said. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel
Exactly. I have talked to a number of SL owners who swear by the difference in drive ability with larger diameter wheels with wider tires, but I'm wondering if it's really worth it. I will say that the sting is not quite as bad when I figure in the cost of the wheels. They were take-offs from a brand new SL that I picked up off of Craigslist for $300. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 6, 2014, at 3:40 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 14:45:02 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I have a set of stock alloys from a 2003 SL that are waiting to go on my 97 SL500. They're staggered 18 wheels, 8 in the front and 9 in the back. I've been pricing a matched set of tires for them and the prices are enough to make me choke. I'll easily have $1000 or more in tires alone when I put them into service. Ouch! Ouch, indeed!!! I guess I won't complain about tires in the $400 ballpark ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Surgery [was: Re: R-12 versus R-134]
When the wife had her hip replaced they've her the self-regulated morphine drip. The only problem was that she couldn't sleep, since if she did she would wake up in pain and only be able to get the measured dose. How is your pain? Rate it on a scale of 1 to 10. I think that was a mantra that every staff member in the hospital chanted when the met you. Not a bad thing at all, just sort of weird to me (I've never been admitted to a hospital or had surgery since I was about 7 years old.) Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 6, 2014, at 4:48 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You have to stay ahead of the pain. Follow the doc's orders as to how often and how much. If you don't take the meds the pain will get a LOT worse then you will be playing catch-up which is not pleasant. --R On 10/6/14 4:37 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: Craig via Mercedes wrote: P.S. I didn't experience the old saw with my neck surgery because I was on an on-demand morphine drip -- too far tripped out to notice or care! The nurse forced two Hydrocodone/Acetaminophen on me an hour and a half after I woke up. Is this like Tylenol 3? It's a lot stronger Let's start with one then You get two I never noticed ANY difference from taking that stuff. It hurt before she gave it to me, it hurt the same after. And there I was thinking that with Laparoscopy I wouldn't have much post-surgery pain. Even the little incision hurts like crazy when I stand totally erect which puts a little tension on it. Right now, just sitting here, the repaired hernia is what hurts. Slightly more than the hernia itself ever did without the narcotics. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Surgery [was: Re: R-12 versus R-134]
Mom wrote: When the wife had her hip replaced they've her the self-regulated morphine drip. Is this the new morphine drip list? or, is this okiebenz Where's the MB content... Play nice, or you will be moderated like me and Gerry. I can find controversey regarding morphine drip - shall we have at it? ma ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] [ADMIN] List Content (Dan Penoff)
It's all obama fault Sent from my iPhone On Oct 6, 2014, at 4:26 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: AST wrote: I've been away for a few years, so am wondering what ever happened to the Ritter/Easley List? Alive, thriving. mercedeslist.com I believe this response will not make it to okiebenz - I am probably being moderated... ma ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Surgery [was: Re: R-12 versus R-134]
Resist the urge to go cold turkey off those powerful pain meds. Silly me, after I had both knees replaced at once I decided I could handle the pain and wanted to be off the drugs. You need to taper off or you will feel really sick. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley via Mercedes Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 1:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Surgery [was: Re: R-12 versus R-134] Craig via Mercedes wrote: P.S. I didn't experience the old saw with my neck surgery because I was on an on-demand morphine drip -- too far tripped out to notice or care! The nurse forced two Hydrocodone/Acetaminophen on me an hour and a half after I woke up. Is this like Tylenol 3? It's a lot stronger Let's start with one then You get two I never noticed ANY difference from taking that stuff. It hurt before she gave it to me, it hurt the same after. And there I was thinking that with Laparoscopy I wouldn't have much post-surgery pain. Even the little incision hurts like crazy when I stand totally erect which puts a little tension on it. Right now, just sitting here, the repaired hernia is what hurts. Slightly more than the hernia itself ever did without the narcotics. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
On 10/6/2014 8:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: (snip) In the interest of full disclosure, my oldest son's 300E 2.6 still has R12 in it, and I have a can on the shelf. It could probably stand to be topped off, but I don't have a manifold gauge set that will do R12. It is my understanding that one doesn't need a gauge set in this situation. Aren't there bubbles showing in the sight glass if the system is low? Adding refrigerant (with the compressor running) until the bubbles go away restores cooling. Or at least that is the way I always did it. I think. It's been a long time. I'd go through and tighten all the connections first. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV Hunters dream of woods and beasts, judges of cases, and runners of races. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
Coughing? No no, laughter is what REALLY hurts recovering from that surgery. Been there twice, brother. First time was full deal, gave me a nice long zipper scar. Took a couple three days to feel safely mobile, then a week of gingerly limping around the house. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Oct 6, 2014 4:01 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: (5 hours post-op and giving up all thoughts of suicide, except when I cough. Don't ever cough the same day you have hernia surgery) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] new fix on new/old TD
Because that's the correct way! Look it up. On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm seeing it too, rando m s paces when Andrew writes SL C. -Curt From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com; Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] new fix on new/old TD Must be your end Craig, Andrew's emails look fine too me. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Surgery [was: Re: R-12 versus R-134]
Percocet is the Dom Perignon of pain medication. I relied on it for both my rotator cuff surgeries, L and R, 11 years apart On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Resist the urge to go cold turkey off those powerful pain meds. Silly me, after I had both knees replaced at once I decided I could handle the pain and wanted to be off the drugs. You need to taper off or you will feel really sick. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley via Mercedes Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 1:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Surgery [was: Re: R-12 versus R-134] Craig via Mercedes wrote: P.S. I didn't experience the old saw with my neck surgery because I was on an on-demand morphine drip -- too far tripped out to notice or care! The nurse forced two Hydrocodone/Acetaminophen on me an hour and a half after I woke up. Is this like Tylenol 3? It's a lot stronger Let's start with one then You get two I never noticed ANY difference from taking that stuff. It hurt before she gave it to me, it hurt the same after. And there I was thinking that with Laparoscopy I wouldn't have much post-surgery pain. Even the little incision hurts like crazy when I stand totally erect which puts a little tension on it. Right now, just sitting here, the repaired hernia is what hurts. Slightly more than the hernia itself ever did without the narcotics. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] TD
Mitch, I think one was an '81 that I test drove and didn't purchase (it overheated), the other I don't remember. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Oct 6, 2014 4:23 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: My father had an '83 240D automatic that I drove on a trip once, and it seemed just fine to me. A little slow off the line, but once you got rolling it was a pleasure. It must have been an unusual example, as I've driven a couple others since then, and they were not nearly as fast. How old were the others? The OM616/617 got bigger cam lobes for 1980 model year, so much bigger that they had to enlarge the cam bearing journals. So a perfectly running '83 should outrun a perfectly running '79. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] [ADMIN] List Content
Hi Dan, I have one suggestion and then I'll say no more: Try to avoid scolding members with whom you disagree. (See your scold below.) One member wrote me that he was leaving the list because of your attitude; i.e. you apparently scolded him. Otherwise, perhaps you could get with the Ritter list management and combine the two lists. Some of the long time members on this list know what I mean. (grin) Gerrywho will still hang around because of all the fine members and their interesting submissions (including yours.) .. Dan wrote: There is no censoring on this list. If a user isn't moderated their posts go right to the list. I totally agree with the we are all adults here, however, it was clear from the beginning that people were getting riled up on the subject. While we do a fairly good job of moderating ourselves, I stepped in in order to prevent this from going totally in the tank. I would rather err on the side of caution than have the list degrade into a verbal free for all. Along these lines, I received many private messages expressing concern about the thread within minutes of it posting, which tells me the issue is contentious. Dan, who was one of the original members of the mbz.org lists and a founding member of the Ritter list Sent from my iPad On Oct 6, 2014, at 8:53 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Without dragging this on any further, just let me say that Kalebs method of running a list which assumed that list members were mature adults who could use their delete key if they disliked a submission, and your method which requires that each member must avoid any subject that he guesses might upset another member; are quite different. As far as I knew, the only banned subject was politics, and what I wrote was not about politics; it was about the freedom of communication on the world-wide-web; something that millions of internet users are highly concerned about. As far as this being a Mercedes list we both know anything and everything gets discussed here. In short, am I going to try and censor myself? No. If I submit something which you don't think is suitable for this list, then censor it; I probably won't even notice that you have. If you so desire, remove me from the list; you're the moderator. Gerrywho has been on this list since it was based in Canada. ... Dan Penoff wrote: Gerry, First of all, if you had questions about filtering, you should have addressed them to either myself or Kaleb privately. Attempting to post something you expect to create dissent or of a highly contentious nature to see if there were filters for such issues is simply wrong. Had you bothered to contact myself or Kaleb we would have gladly explained that there are no content filters on this list and to my knowledge there never have been. The list software isn't that smart. Using the list for social experiments is not acceptable. As for rules, while there are few explicitly stated, we have had enough trouble with contentious issues that any list member should have a solid grasp of what is and what isn't acceptable subject matter. If anyone has a question about that, they can address it to myself or Kaleb. As to your concerns about the government's efforts to impose control, it hasn't happened here. Your previous efforts to post such things have failed due to their being addressed incorrectly, and as a result the list software rejected them. I have seen them in the approval queue, and considering the content inappropriate for the list, rejected them. Had you bothered to ask me about this I would have gladly explained. I have neither the time nor inclination to address every rejected submission to the list. If someone's subscription goes awry, that's one thing. Seeing a stream of forwarded messages on an occasional basis does not merit a response. This is not the place for a social experiment. This is a list for Mercedes' enthusiasts. Let's keep it that way, please. Again, if anyone has questions, take it private. Dan Gerry wrote: I posted this to see if there were filters for such issues on the mercedes list. The existence of such filters on Yahoogroups is being investigated by several members of a Yahoogroups list I belong to, and I had hoped to post a failure to deliver notice here in the hopes that some of the computer experts on this list could determine how and/or by whom the message was blocked. The government has proposed laws to control the content of submissions on the internet which are opposed by many, left wing and right wing. It isn't surprising that most members objection to the posting is because of its content rather than the fact that it is not about Mercedes. Personally, I have a wait
Re: [MBZ] new fix on new/old TD
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 20:29:08 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Because that's the correct way! Look it up. Where? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The White Whale - soon to be sighted in the CHS area
OH OK that makes me feel a little better, but too late. I busted my butt rebuilding a set of injectors today, getting them within 5lb and then putting them into the red TD. Helped very little in the idle. I probably should do a compression check, something that I should have done a while ago. Manfred Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 08:01:11 -0400 From: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com Ooh no, that was spread out over about two weeks. Thanks for the compliment, feels great to finally have that done. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
I called and talked with the guy about that a couple of weeks ago. He said to just put it into the system after you let it fill to atmospheric pressure with air. He also told me that it doesn't form acids if there is a bit of humidity in there with the air. You could also leave the 134 in and just add the Enviro-safe to bring it up to the needed output since Enviro-safe mixes with 134 or 12 without any problems. Don't try to add enough to get rid of the bubbles. You will probably need only one more can of the Enviro-safe to bring the system up to what it needs. The low side should be under 30lbs. Manfred Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 08:40:02 -0400 From: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com Last week when I installed the new condenser in The White Whale (R-12 system converted by PO), I charged the system with just one can of R-134, and to my pleasant surprise that was enough pressure for the system to work and blow cool air. Temps here don't really require AC now, so I'll probably leave it alone until next summer. I've got a few cans of one of the hydrocarbon-based refrigerants, need to come up with a plan for installing that. Instructions say it should not be installed into a vacuum, so I need to figure out how this Enviro Safe should be installed. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
Hmm. Good point. All I would need is a can tap and a hose... I could probably find a set for cheap locally or on eBay... Thanks! Dan On Oct 6, 2014, at 7:11 PM, David Kristin Gilmore via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 10/6/2014 8:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: (snip) In the interest of full disclosure, my oldest son's 300E 2.6 still has R12 in it, and I have a can on the shelf. It could probably stand to be topped off, but I don't have a manifold gauge set that will do R12. It is my understanding that one doesn't need a gauge set in this situation. Aren't there bubbles showing in the sight glass if the system is low? Adding refrigerant (with the compressor running) until the bubbles go away restores cooling. Or at least that is the way I always did it. I think. It's been a long time. I'd go through and tighten all the connections first. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV Hunters dream of woods and beasts, judges of cases, and runners of races. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Surgery [was: Re: R-12 versus R-134]
That's the drug combo they gave me, I took it faithfully for the day of the laproscopic surgery (hernia #2) and the day after, then I went to plain Tylenol. The laproscopic recovery was, for me, quite easy compared to the full cut gut treatment for hernia #1. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Oct 6, 2014 4:40 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The nurse forced two Hydrocodone/Acetaminophen on me an hour and a half after I woke up. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
Correct.. Diesel [of course] 450 HP [new], Allison B500 automatic [new], with braking retarder, air ride suspension with 3 ride height adjustments... diesel fired engine and coach preheat [Webastco] ...3 axle coach.. steerable tag axle. On board TV and sound systems [more than one] .. Huge AC system... 8 ea new 12Rx22.5 tires.. air brakes [new] etc etc etc.. Picture, as discovered.. with dust..where it has been setting for 6 yrs after owners heart attack. if it will clear this system.. And of course, no project this size would be complete without a picture of the budget planning room. [sarcastic humor content, of course] Respectfully.. Grant... On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: pics of the beast plzz -- On 10/6/14 10:47 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: All sarcasm accepted... I've certainly taken some lately for taking on this project... ;))) If you truly want to find out who your friends are.. buy a 40ft. Mercedes motor coach and ask them to help you work on it.. hahaha.. Oil thread anyone.. it holds 28 quarts.. Coolant.. 33 gallons .. Transmission... 8 gallons.. you get the picture... it's big.. Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Setra Motor Coach.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 36942 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20141006/83cc6a0a/attachment.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Room full of Money.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 18532 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20141006/83cc6a0a/attachment-0001.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
I am advised the post with picture is waiting for moderator approval.. Please stand by... or not.. Tyvm.. Grant... On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 9:24 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Correct.. Diesel [of course] 450 HP [new], Allison B500 automatic [new], with braking retarder, air ride suspension with 3 ride height adjustments... diesel fired engine and coach preheat [Webastco] ...3 axle coach.. steerable tag axle. On board TV and sound systems [more than one] .. Huge AC system... 8 ea new 12Rx22.5 tires.. air brakes [new] etc etc etc.. Picture, as discovered.. with dust..where it has been setting for 6 yrs after owners heart attack. if it will clear this system.. And of course, no project this size would be complete without a picture of the budget planning room. [sarcastic humor content, of course] Respectfully.. Grant... On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: pics of the beast plzz -- On 10/6/14 10:47 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: All sarcasm accepted... I've certainly taken some lately for taking on this project... ;))) If you truly want to find out who your friends are.. buy a 40ft. Mercedes motor coach and ask them to help you work on it.. hahaha.. Oil thread anyone.. it holds 28 quarts.. Coolant.. 33 gallons .. Transmission... 8 gallons.. you get the picture... it's big.. Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Setra Motor Coach.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 36942 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20141006/afd3edd7/attachment.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Room full of Money.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 18532 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20141006/afd3edd7/attachment-0001.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Convoy
Better yet.. spend the few bucks extra and get the model with rechargeable batteries.. With an adapter, you can talk all you want and keep them plugged into the car power port [formerly known as cigar lighter, back in the day when men were men and ships were wood]. On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Van Knutson via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Does anyone still use CB radios anymore? I was thinking about our planned caravan to Indiana with three vehicles (me driving our Big Red Van [BRV (tm)] towing our utility trailer, Shirley driving our E320, and my brother driving a rental truck towing our 240D/3.0), and realized that cell phones wouldn't work too well. It occurred to me that CB radios would be better, allowing the two other people to hear what one was saying. I have located three CB radios, four* from our local freecycle group for free and one from a $10 eBay auction, but I don't know if they work because I don't have any antennas. Any suggestions on antennas? Thanks, Craig *** You are overthinking it. Todd and i used to go on road trips using a pair of hand held walkies. They don't have the legs CB's do, but if you don't get separated by more than a few miles, they work just fine. Bring an extra set of AA batteries to refresh, and you are good to go. Turn 'em off every time you pull off for a gas or pee break. PLus, they are newly manufactured stock, cheap ($30+ for a pair -- get the highest rated wattage output you can find for a reasonable price), and you don't have to worry about electronics from the Jimmy Carter administration. DBV, we got ourselves a convoy information minister ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
You just replied to it. The links are at the bottom. And man, is that thing a beast! I like the money room. I need to gets me one of those Dan On Oct 6, 2014, at 12:46 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I am advised the post with picture is waiting for moderator approval.. Please stand by... or not.. Tyvm.. Grant... On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 9:24 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Correct.. Diesel [of course] 450 HP [new], Allison B500 automatic [new], with braking retarder, air ride suspension with 3 ride height adjustments... diesel fired engine and coach preheat [Webastco] ...3 axle coach.. steerable tag axle. On board TV and sound systems [more than one] .. Huge AC system... 8 ea new 12Rx22.5 tires.. air brakes [new] etc etc etc.. Picture, as discovered.. with dust..where it has been setting for 6 yrs after owners heart attack. if it will clear this system.. And of course, no project this size would be complete without a picture of the budget planning room. [sarcastic humor content, of course] Respectfully.. Grant... On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: pics of the beast plzz -- On 10/6/14 10:47 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: All sarcasm accepted... I've certainly taken some lately for taking on this project... ;))) If you truly want to find out who your friends are.. buy a 40ft. Mercedes motor coach and ask them to help you work on it.. hahaha.. Oil thread anyone.. it holds 28 quarts.. Coolant.. 33 gallons .. Transmission... 8 gallons.. you get the picture... it's big.. Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Setra Motor Coach.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 36942 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20141006/afd3edd7/attachment.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Room full of Money.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 18532 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20141006/afd3edd7/attachment-0001.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] new fix on new/old TD
Mercedes coffee table books, service manuals and any other OFFICIAL Daimler Benz publication. I would send a link except I can't track any down. Also, try looking on the trunk lid of the car itself: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/4700485168.html Andrew Trying to hide a smug grin On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 20:29:08 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Because that's the correct way! Look it up. Where? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The first car in the shop
What is it? Looks quite generic except for the fog lights, which bespeak a W115 On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 126256 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20141004/e74315a9/attachment.jpe -- next part -- -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image2.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 121057 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20141004/e74315a9/attachment-0001.jpe -- next part -- Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The first car in the shop
It's a 115 Sent from my iPhone On Oct 6, 2014, at 9:17 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: What is it? Looks quite generic except for the fog lights, which bespeak a W115 On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 126256 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20141004/e74315a9/attachment.jpe -- next part -- -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image2.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 121057 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20141004/e74315a9/attachment-0001.jpe -- next part -- Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] The first car in the shop
Btw I figure I can probably squeeze about 10-12 cars in there but that would not leave room for much else as far as room to work. Can probably fit another 5-6 in the barn. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 6, 2014, at 9:17 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: What is it? Looks quite generic except for the fog lights, which bespeak a W115 On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 126256 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20141004/e74315a9/attachment.jpe -- next part -- -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image2.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 121057 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20141004/e74315a9/attachment-0001.jpe -- next part -- Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb's Tractor
Get a 4020 with a loader or a 4430, and you can move cars (with forks in place of the bucket) Yea I'm buying a john Deere 3032, after research I got a deere which is top of the line as far as I am concerned cheaper than Kubota etc, way cheaper. Plus I took advantage of the 0 down 0% 60 month deal. Deere or at least this dealer charges same price cash or finance, limit and the rest charge more for finance on their 0% deals ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb's Tractor
I'll bet the forks will fit right in the window openings with the windows rolled down. An easy lift from there. Dan On Oct 6, 2014, at 10:17 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Get a 4020 with a loader or a 4430, and you can move cars (with forks in place of the bucket) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel
Not sure about the new stuff, but the older asian cars do tend to run to almost 200k. the honda, toyota, acura stuff I had lasted through 150k without issues. As long as proper service was done. Getting past 180k was pushing need for major overhauls of engine as well as body. Probably like the W115 and W123. The E300D also sort of began to fade at 180. More $$$ for heavy projects to keep it going past 200k. clay On Oct 6, 2014, at 8:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Really? I figure any junk asian car you buy today to last 200,000 miles at LEAST. The rust prevention is better and the electronics are all vastly more robust even if they are black box type. Purportedly the average age of today's fleet is 11 years. Looking just at Toyota Tundra pickups I'd believe it, they changed body styles in 2007 and there are a ton of the older ones around. -Curt From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel In '98 I did a 6000 mile summer trip in my 1980 300D. I also took my '77 240D on a 3100 mile summer jaunt in '08 or '09. People thought I was nuts each time. Expect to see that attitude get worse. I believe we've already experienced the service longevity peak, and that the mileage expectation of our national fleet will go _down_ from here. More complex application-specific parts will be to blame. Once the official line of spares is exhausted, these vehicles will be rendered permanently hors du combat. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 06:40:06 -0500 Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: global cooling which was why the government took away R-12 R-12 was taken off the market because it eroded the ozone layer in the upper atmosphere. It was lauded as a perfect coolant because it is extremely stable. That attribute was it's downfall, because it was so stable, it didn’t degrade until it reached the upper atmosphere (perhaps stratosphere?) where it's molecules were split into their base atoms and the chlorine contained within caused the destruction of the ozone. I'd be more than happy to provide footnotes to back these facts up, but I just don't feel like looking it up right now. Those are the facts as I heard them in graduate school. However, The average molecular weight of our atmosphere is 28.97. [1] The molecular weight of hydrochloric acid is 36.46. [2] The molecular weight of chlorine gas 70.90 The molecular weight of R-12 (CCl2F2) is 120.91. The heavier the gas, the more likely it will be closer to the earth. The folks who had R-12 removed forgot about the antarctic volcano that is spewing hydrochloric acid as well as the fact that during the antarctic winter, there is no ionizing radiation from the sun to make ozone. Craig 1. http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/molecular-mass-air-d_679.html 2. From Los Alamos National Laboratory Chemistry Division Periodic Table of the Elements Hydrogen1.008 g/mol Carbon 12.01 g/mol Fluorine 19.00 g/mol Chlorine 35.45 g/mol ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: CB Radios
But you can do more with longer range FRS stuff for car to car and then use them while wandering around clay On Oct 6, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: Does anyone still use CB radios anymore? We do, when caravanning. I acquired (via thrift shop over time) four Uniden 510XL (?) and magnetic antennae. They're a bit large and clunky, but they work well and have good range, and are loud enough that the whole car can hear. Cigarette lighter power, no batteries to feed. And _nobody_ is going to want to steal them. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel
I had an '86 Legend for several years in the late '90's. I put about 100K miles on it and sold it for more than I bought it. I believe it had 198K on it when I sold it. I loved everything about that car. When I look for cars, I look for two things: MBs I cannot live without and first generation Legends. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] R-12 versus R-134
G Mann: Frost this morning. You don't need any AC Save the money. 44 lb of propane/butane could make a nice weinie roast out of your bus. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb's Tractor
Get long forks and you can lift from the lift points underneath. 4430 may be cheaper than a 4020 these days. For junkers, yes, you can lift from the roof. Kinda keeps the windows from sealing thereafter. I'll bet the forks will fit right in the window openings with the windows rolled down. An easy lift from there. Dan On Oct 6, 2014, at 10:17 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Get a 4020 with a loader or a 4430, and you can move cars (with forks in place of the bucket) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
